00:00:04 ◼ ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► dissected by my co-host John siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► i'm dan benjamin this is episode number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► 32 it's been sponsored by audible.com as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/17">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► well as our friends over at field notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/21">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► brand.com we will tell you about as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/23">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► program continues we also want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► hypercritical it has been brought to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/30">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► by - green tech comm virtual private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/32">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► submerged in oil gets a free bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► over there - green tech John siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► that's me we live in direct from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/45">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► brother-in-law's house well disclosed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/52">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► now it is indeed it is indeed with a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/53">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► so good internet connection right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► seem okay we'll see how it worked one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► point four megabits up max it's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► to carry your dulcet tones to Austin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► Texas where we record these shows every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► week it's good to be back with you John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► and I just I would like to thank you I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► like to thank you on the air I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/79">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► shown this to faith yet but I'd like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► thank you on the air for the lovely gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► that you sent my my new baby daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► may I share what it is is it differe go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► for it uh this is very cool and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► way I just want to add shame on all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► the other co-hosts nobody else has sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► any any kind of gift you don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/97">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► really you're right it might not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► gotten there two weeks later still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/103">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► hasn't gotten here well you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► something out you know yeah of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► people that I thought wouldn't send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/110">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► something I was surprised from you maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► your wife is rubbing off on you lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/113">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► wife mrs. Epps why you get married so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► you can have someone to tell you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► the social norms are for so this doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► this is what this is what mrs. circular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► sent the the care package we received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/124">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► is a first level human onesie it's a D&D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► reference level one human charisma of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► eighteen strength I think was two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► something like that so that's accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/143">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► very cute I appreciate the LARPing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► reference there and also an adorable now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/146">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► this thing looked handmade I'm not I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► not sure if it was I'm going don't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/152">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► me if it wasn't far in my mind missus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► Syracuse and knitted this thing herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► she did I picked out the onesie though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► don't we of course you picked out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► ones that loved it loved it by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/161">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► my wife out enjoyed it in the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/162">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► she appreciated something that she knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/165">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► only I would appreciate uh but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► beautiful it's a little it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/170">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► faith you're gonna love this winning so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/171">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► yeah it's a little cap it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► pumpkin and then it's hand knitted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► looks like you put on a little kid's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/177">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► head is a little it's a little pumpkin a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► little pumpkin it's a cutest little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► thing a nice little card and here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► here's the thing this is how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/186">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► John is a dad because not only does he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► send something for for Marla he sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► something for the boy too and yet more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► than one thing he sent and these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► cars you know from the movie Pixar movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► car course at Pixar from the movie Cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► 2 that he didn't have oh he flipped out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► he loved it Joel could be and Joel got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► card he's carrying around this card he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► it's a dinosaur card he's carrying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► very thoughtful John thank you thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/212">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► welcoming yes they hat is handmade very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► nice it looked and it really looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► handmade it looked very special and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/220">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► little top part a little pumpkin is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/221">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► it looks like a little you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/224">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► little what do they call that on the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► that's stem and / beautiful really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► really thoughtful yeah you got to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► something the other kid you learn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► when you have two kids of your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/235">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► because right at the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► end of his life at the center of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► universe that's right so how are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► you're on vacation man you take a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/245">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► vacations it's the same amount every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► year you know I go to Long Island for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► little while with my family then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/252">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► usually visit my wife's family around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► Labor Day around that week I had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► extra one this year because I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► WWC so that was my extra vacation this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/260">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► are you gonna be it South by this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► no what if I what if I flew you out here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► vacation days I mean I have a one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/272">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► left for the Christmas vacation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/274">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► that's it what if I fly out what for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► expenses paid I bring out the South by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/278">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► you coming not that it doesn't make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► not have to go to work what if I pay you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► the lost time in salary you have to if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► you can clear it with my boss he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► going to be there and we're gonna pay a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/291">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► salary what's going on is how high are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► you doing anything their idea if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► here I am no I don't have the extra time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/297">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► off and I heard that a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/300">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► aren't going to that this year anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/301">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► yeah and like they're disillusioned with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► the when they hear about what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► doing they'll be changing their mind I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► don't know I was hearing everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► wasn't going because they're now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► too big for them I haven't heard any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/312">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► know they say that every year and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► year the people go every never meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► so I can't tell you whether it's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► what if I want to have my what if I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/321">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► to have my own 5x5 all-stars conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► and I bring over all up the host sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► would you go to that I'd still need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► clear with your boss yeah I mean and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► can't manufacture vacation days out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► thin air okay we'll talk about it later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/333">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► all right so how are things they're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► lot has been going on yeah yeah we must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► do when you're in your absence how was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/348">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► your daddy days you know it was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/349">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► great great being here for the birth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► grade being able to spend time with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► boy when the baby came home and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► stuff great time off I was telling Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► yesterday it's not like it's a vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► when you're home like you know with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► three and a half year old and your wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► who just give birth and a new baby it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► not it's not a vacation but it was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/368">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► I'm feel like I'm on vacation how come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► comparatively to the amount of work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► was doing but I have to act like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► lot of like I'm really exhausted at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/378">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► end of the day I mean I am but I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► because otherwise then I wind up having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/382">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► to do the dishes to you taking advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► of the fact that your wife doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/385">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► listen to the show - yeah she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► ever listen openly complain and she'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► never ever see duties of fatherhood yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► she'll never listen because she knows we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► talked about the Indian stuff yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/394">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► she listens the Palio show I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► if she doesn't see any others this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► the Paleo show of all the shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/403">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► listen to Joe she's she's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► responsible for getting that one on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► network that because she introduced me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► to Angelo who does it and we I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► became a fan of the show and got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/413">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► paleo baby all right enough of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► what's going on in the world Everson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► suppose is this follow-up to stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/426">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► you did with Ryan that's right okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► let's hear it so out of the loop did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► did you even listen to those episodes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/432">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► have listened to I'm catching up slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and I'm done with the first week I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► catching up the second week all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► well then maybe you don't know what were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/439">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► following up about but it's not I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► have a lot so the first follow-up item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/441">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► is uh on last week's show I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► about Apple's new Thunderbolt Display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/446">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and then I was going over this cringe Li [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/451">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► possibility of video cards being built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► into the display and all sorts of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/459">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► strange pipe dreams but throughout the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/460">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► episode apparently I kept calling it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/463">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► 30 inch display screen just wishful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► thinking it is not a 30 inch display as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/467">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► people pointed out to me its 27-inch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► replaces the old 30 inch which is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► of a shame because the old 30 inch had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► but they made the 27 inches their new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► thunderbolt bists and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/480">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► so yes it is a 27 inch display I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► referring to a new 30 inch display that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/484">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► nobody knows about but me I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/486">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► miss misspoke right all right good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► you know it's kind of interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/493">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► the I was looking up the URL for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► displays its plural but there's only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/497">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► display now like there's no more 24-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► there's no smaller sizes it's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/502">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► Display is the only display that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► sells right now and if you don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► that big you don't want thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/511">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► tough luck I guess maybe someday they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► add more but the URL still is plural and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/515">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► also I was looking at that thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► didn't talk about this because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► it happened after you were gone but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/523">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► actually have one of those displays on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/524">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► order and it's not shipping until like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► September 2000 year in for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/527">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► shipping delighted you have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/533">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► people complaining about it I figured oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► yeah you know they'll come in a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► days and I looked at the expected ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► date and it was September 20th hmm so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► guess I guess nobody has them I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► heard of anyone having one now that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/544">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► thought about so maybe they're just back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► ordered whatever but anyway looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► the picture I was worried about remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/549">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► with heat when the 24 inch came out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► was the first one with the little rat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/553">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► tail thing with the power connector for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► your laptop yes the and the didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/556">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► Thunderbolt I don't had some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/559">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► connector but on the on the sides of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► laptop some models have the power thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► and USB or whatever on the same side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► some of them have it on the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► side so on the air is for instance the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► Thunderbolt Display is on one side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► the laptop but the power connector is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► the other so the rat tail has to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/577">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► spread into a Y shape and I believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► rat tail on the 24 inch was just barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► long enough if you stretched out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► cable to plug in the power on one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and the USB thing Ollie on the other now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► if you look on their website they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/589">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► pictures of it connected to an air and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► you kinda can't see if the cables are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► stretched or not they don't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► they're stretched but I'm a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► concerned that when I get the thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► not sure it will how well the cable will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/599">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► reach from one side or an air to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► I ordered an air for my wife by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► that's that's what this thing is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/606">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► to be connected to uh so she's replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► her her MacBook Pro with what I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/609">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► will be the best of both worlds is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► know 13-inch air all maxed out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► portability but then when she hooks it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► up to the big display the big display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► will have Ethernet connected to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► an external hard drive and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/622">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► other good stuff you know our hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► so when she's at the desktop it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► behave like a pretty good iMac and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/627">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► when she's portable it should behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► like a really light laptop so we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► how this goes no pardon me for not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/634">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► something that you did discuss with Ryan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► that I either missed or I haven't heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► in the episode yet but Todd talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► the Ethernet port on the back of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/644">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► thing so I'm I'm kind of interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/645">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► how this is going to work to thee from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► the Apple's website it's you connect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► thunderbolt connector from the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► to your Mac and then it's as if your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► has those ports on it knob right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► doesn't have an Ethernet port doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/659">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► have a FireWire port but under bolt is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► basically PCI Express over a wire so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► those devices were connected to the PCI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► Express bus inside your computer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► thing I wonder about is like what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► connect/disconnect procedure if I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► like yank that cable out that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► does the Mac suddenly think it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► have an Ethernet port like the support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► the interface appear and go away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► everything is cool with that or or for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► example if I have I'm going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► firewire hard drive connected to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► monitor right so when I connect the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► with a thunderbolt port that firewall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/690">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► harv will mount I'm assuming I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► unmount that hard drive on the macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/693">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► air before yank out that Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/696">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► cable so this will all be an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► experiment because I really don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/700">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► how this will behave with the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/701">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► system and all the other things but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/704">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► hoping able it will really be the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► of both worlds but because she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► thinking of getting an iMac but I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/709">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► to have at least one portable in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/710">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► house and I like the air you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► portability more than that 50 inch thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► we've been lugging her what else you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► Oh a little bit of follow up on Mac Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/718">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► the Mac Ruby people keep emailing me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/723">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► thought last time we talked about Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► Ruby I forget when it was we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► about lion I think it was in the Ark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► episode I was mentioning Mac Ruby as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/731">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► one of the contenders for Apple's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/737">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► memory managed language but I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► through my whole thing about how I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► like bridges and so on and any time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/745">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► mention that the Macra people email me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/746">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► and tell me the Mac Ruby is in a bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► you despite the fact that I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/750">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► accurately represented what Mac Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/751">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► does the fact that Ruby objects are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/754">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► objective-c objects that all the strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► are NS strings that the Ruby associative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► arrays or hashes or whatever they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/761">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► dictionaries under the covers like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/764">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► it's not the same as Ruby cocoa or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/765">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► whatever the thing that was really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► taking the Ruby runtime and also having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► the objective-c runtime then bridging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/773">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► between them what it comes down to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► think is semantics of what each party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► considers a bridge I was actually trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► to look up like the technical computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► science definition of a bridge but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► apparently it's a vague enough term that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/786">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► hard-and-fast definition for a bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► definition is the hard and fast there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/794">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► no definition of a bridge but I found so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► what's that's the sort of predominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► one well one reasonably good definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/800">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► runtime to another Ruby is like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/808">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► you've got your Ruby executable like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► don't know with the plain old one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► called but though not the Rubinius not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► maglev not Ruby on JVM but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► default you know what that one is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/819">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► your Ruby guy like the C program written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► by Matz that runs Ruby I think they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► call it the interpreter to compile or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► whatever I mean we don't talk in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► Ruby world we don't talk about such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/830">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► things you do there's a name for just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► type code and it will just works and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► looks great uh-huh anyway so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► that there's a big sea program coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► that runs Ruby code in that you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/839">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► executes your Ruby code inside there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► it's got little structures that it moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/845">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► around and blah blah and then you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► Objective C which has its own runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/848">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► that does all the message dispatching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► and the tracking of objects and classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/851">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► running both those runtimes at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/855">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► time you're certainly running a bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/858">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► because you have to span these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► interpreter and then you're running this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/862">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► objective-c thing and you're somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► clearly a bridge okay now I consider Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► Ruby still to be a bridge or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► bridge II because you're writing in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► language and talking to an API that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/874">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► designed for a different language so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► even though you're writing Ruby code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/880">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► it's eventually calling Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/881">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► functions that had that when they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► written had no idea they were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/884">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► be called by something else and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► like you know they're just being called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► distantly or remotely it's it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► close mapping where you I can make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/890">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► documentation here's this API here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► parameter names here's what they expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► so on and so forth and then I can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► Mac Ruby call it looks vaguely like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► you know and there's other kind of I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► mouthful and it's a bridging arrow like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► well like I said the boy when you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/907">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► Ruby string is really an objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► string when you have a ruby object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► they've done in Mac Ruby's try to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► the Ruby runtime out of the equation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/915">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► it's just no it's just the objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► you just get to write to it with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► different language I still consider that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► a bridge just because I imagine if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► did try to say this is the new way we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/924">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► writing Mac programs then someone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/925">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► chat room came up with the name for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► it's MRI Matz's Ruby implementation yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/932">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► yeah so anyway I consider a bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► because if you were to say this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/937">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► way that you're going to make cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/938">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► objective-c guys would be like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► objective-c is still the quote/unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► native way to write applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► yeah you could use this Ruby thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► if I want to do XY and Z I still need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► have my little pointers and do my stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► and what if I want to connect to C code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/953">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► and have it mixed in and what if I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► to do stuff in CG or CF and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/956">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► other API is that our plane C those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► even more weirdly bridge that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► mean by bridge that there would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► it seems like some other thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► you're talking to the old thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► you're using this completely other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/970">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► language that came from elsewhere that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► Apple didn't invent that isn't tailored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► to this purpose but it's been molded to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/975">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► it and that I get the impression that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► programmers would consider that not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► be native like there would be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/981">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► dichotomy between the people saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► write native objective-c applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/984">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► and you're doing it with your little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/985">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► talking about where they slowly change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► slowly take their existing Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/991">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► language and keep adding strictures to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► it until you're not allowed to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► dangerous stuff anymore you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► then maybe eventually have some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► slowly change the syntax adding your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► directives saying okay now you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► have to have that h files okay now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► have memory safety but you can't do X Y [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► it like approach this new language by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► taking what you have and shaving off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► sharp parts and eventually giving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► new thing a new name I felt like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► implementation wise it would look very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► similar to what Mac Ruby does in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► of talking to the objective-c runtime by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► objective-c but anyway the Mac Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► people are still very upset that I call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► it a bridge and I've said many times Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► Ruby is the only reasonable contender I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► can see out there if Apple was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► go with let's take a language not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► invented by us and use that as a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► programming language and many people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► you know apples supporting Mac Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► their Apple developers to contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► it it's been getting better so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► forth I just don't see the Apple push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► behind that language yet maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► being super-secret and they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► going to fool me and come out next WBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► and say ah haha Mac Ruby it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► awesome now that's our new language it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► could be I just don't see it yet so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► people who are very enthusiastic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► it's going to be the next big thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► could be right but I don't think their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► enthusiasm is based on substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► evidence at this point other than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► fact that is the only real contender and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► that it does have some Apple support I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► mean in the past many other things have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► objective-c has had some apple sport in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► the past and I figure with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► bridges new did Ruby cocoa have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► Apple support anyway a lot lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► things have had the support of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► programmers or apples a company at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► various times and if still not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► gone anywhere ZFS is another good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► example so you never know until an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► announcement is made but I did want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► hopefully this will keep them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► yelling at me you guys do have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► vaguely bridge like thing that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► technically a bridge if you want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► that but I still think that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► alternatives have more support behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► them in terms of what Apple is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► officially announced and done I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► are you still would you still say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► completely diametrically opposed to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► bridges of all kinds yeah I mean a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► about Mac Ruby is if Apple decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► support it and they just shoved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► through it's not it's not terrible it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► wouldn't wouldn't be bad but I what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► not in support of is the idea that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► can come to pass without humongous Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► support that just somehow by this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► being developed in the background kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► of with these people it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► the future right you need full Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► support for whatever the solution is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► going to be and thus far certainly app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► mean I don't think Apple has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► mentioned the words Mac Ruby on a stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► no WWDC you know so it's so far from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► being the thing where's Apple has many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► many times take an objective seat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► started adding stuff to it changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► language chopping off sharp edges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► direction so I think there's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► direction of modifying objective-c by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► bits and pieces than there is for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► going with one of the bridges sure or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► non bridges alright that's it for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► follow-up it's all you got huh yeah I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► have other miscellaneous file but I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► to get to our main topic for the day can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► you guess what that is the HP tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► coming back and having a fire sale on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► no oh that is that's a good dumb story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► anything to say about that hmm no even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► though he talked about it in all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► other shows I didn't get a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► talk about I don't want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► Steve Jobs of course it happened while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► you were gone it did I actually came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► back to talk about that yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► you talked about with Gruber talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► about with Marco you're gonna talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► with me it's you know I would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► talk about it with you especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► because I anticipate your opinion to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► somewhat different maybe from well those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► two guys did cover a lot of stuff that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► wanted to say but I have some extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► stuff dad so no show dude should we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► rich should we clear out the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► sponsorships to sort of clear clear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► pipes a little bit that's a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► see if with the connection walled up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► this it's a well you know we added that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► stuff out but for the people who weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► listening live connection issues have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► been happening so we'll just cross our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► fingers because as soon as I soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► that we change topics for any reason the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► connection drop so we'll just cross our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► audible audible calm leading provider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► spoken audio information entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► listen audiobooks whenever and wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► you want and this is great if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► new baby and you want something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► listen to it at 2:00 a.m. and the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► is awake because if you want to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► to it audible has it they've got over 85 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► thousand titles virtually every genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► you will find what you're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► and you can get a free audiobook in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► 14-day trial this how they do it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► have they have a subscription service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► and you sign up in basically you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► determine what you want to consume how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► much you want again and you can get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► is great it's not like you have to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► it oh I want this book I'm going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► buy this book it's a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► way of thinking and it's great I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► recommend it they have a special URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► just for listeners of this show audible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► podcast.com slash hypercritical you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► there you get a free book you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► 14-day trial I can't promise but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► may send you a teddy bear is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► faith or they still maybe not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► tests she says no no teddy bears but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► and one of the things I'd like to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► I say what do you what are you listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► listening to so what I have queued up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► here is at you know apropos of the Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► Jobs topic in general there was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► Steve Jobs book that did come out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► while ago but the one that I have queued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► up the one I'm starting is it-it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► called I love this title John icon Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► Jobs I don't love this but I do I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► really think I'm going to draw this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► it's called the greatest second act in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► the history of business we have this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► the show notes so this is what I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► queued up I haven't listened to it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► I'm about to start listening to this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► when I'm done with the previous one very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► excited about this because really it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► the greatest second act I'm hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► you'll we'll talk about that but what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► you what do you listening to so my pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► I actually had original pick I've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► persuaded to change my pick for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► people who might not be audiobook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► listeners yeah there might not be big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► radio guys or whatever my pick is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► starter course and why you would ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► want to listen to audiobooks oh so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► for people who are familiar with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► person's work this is kind of boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► it's like me recommending you should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► see these movies called Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► they're great you know but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► haven't heard of Star Wars that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► good advice so if you're not an NPR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► listener you you may not have ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► of David Sedaris or know who he is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► if you haven't ever heard of and have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► idea who he is i envy you because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► learning who david sedaris it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► what he's about is a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► experience and my my pick is one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► older books I don't know Phocis first it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► was the first one that I ever listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► to is called me talk pretty one day yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► uh and this is like I don't want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► too much about it because you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► anything about David Sedaris you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► just get this as your free audible book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► something that he narrates as himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► right and his books are good if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► to read them but listening to them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► way way different like he's he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► radio guy he does his on books on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► radio and whenever he's in town I go see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► him live this is a case where you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► the author to read you their book it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► very very different than reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► yourself so I recommend not reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► book in a print version you must get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► audio version of this book even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► version you must get the audio version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► because staggering him hearing him read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► his stuff is way different than reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► it yourself so never heard of this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► just just trust me on this go honk at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► talk party one day is free audible book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► David Sedaris narrates it and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► bunch of nonfiction stories about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► life which sounds boring but his life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► anything but boring just put it in if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► long car trip is great this you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► a long car trip or anywhere and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► listen and the you will be horrified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► disturbed amazed you will cry you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► laugh I don't know what you'll do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► really don't know what to do but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► don't know who even if you do know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► listened in a long time it's good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► just pick that up hates free and listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► to it again because it's just as funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► the second time around I love David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► Sedaris and I've listened to almost all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► of his stuff I don't think I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► actually read one of his books I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► listened to it all in audio form he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► very interesting character recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► so now Steve Jobs Steve Jobs I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► know how how can you be listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► this show and not know this it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► news anymore it's already happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► resigned really resigning CEO he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► resigned to CEO isn't relieved I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► but that is a retirement and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► instantly reinstated as chairman right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► of the board or whatever right so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► you mentioned and I was like I am or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► something that I hadn't said anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► about it right which is true like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► didn't I didn't write anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► I didn't really tweet about it repeated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► some other people's things didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► tweet much about it now back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► summer of 2007 I wrote something from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► Mac world called a day without Steve hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► which was like a Mac world you're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► limited at least I'm limited to how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► right because if you get one page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► it's not like writing for ours or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► online thing where or even Mac WorldCom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► where you can go as long as you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► go so I tried to fit into this one page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► article a summary of my thoughts about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► you know some day Steve is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► Apple and what will that be like and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► again this was 2007 I forget when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► in the timeline but this this was me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► trying to square myself with the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► that Steve Jobs would not be running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► Apple forever I think maybe this was his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► first medical absence or was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► don't even remember but at some point it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► was it was the point in in my life when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► I said you know what I really have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► start thinking about this and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► myself okay with it and say yeah and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► process of making myself okay with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► was like oh let me just think it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► and write something out and so I ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► IND this thing with sort of a summary of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► what I thought the post Jobs Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► be like and I mentioned that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► this is a phrase that I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► made it up I've heard a million places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► before with it the whole idea that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► the mantra of the Apple company without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► him is the idea of what would Steve do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► right so even though he's not there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► his philosophy and view everything so as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► long as everybody has that in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► they'll be okay and I followed up by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► saying that the thing that Jobs has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► always wanted to do was make the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► paraphrase of of a Socrates quote here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► is actually it's a 3-way Apple thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► alright so so original quote from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► and then the Mac software company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► ambrosia software do you remember them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► in Turku Vale Maelstrom and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► other programs sneza Pro X or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► I mean yes naps Pro tons of they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► make some software and they but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► most famous for their Mac shareware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► games back in the day and that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► the motto of their company this Socrates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► quote word for worse and I have modified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► adhere in this article and the quote is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► virtue does not come from market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► rather from market share rather from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► virtue comes market share and all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► good things yes I managed to mangle the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► quote the idea is that you don't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► after the thing that's your goal we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► to be the biggest company in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► we want to you know have a strategy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► makes us the most successful maker of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► gadgets or whatever instead you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► virtuous thing and from the virtuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► goals that you wanted so the idea is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► make the best product and if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► the best product you will become the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► biggest company in the world the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► successful company the most profitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► company you will dominate your industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► you'll sell more your thing than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► other guy you'll you'll have a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► brand recognition all the good things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► that a company wants that a CEO is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► charge of your share price will go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► all that stuff if you try to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► stuff I want to try to make the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► profit I want to try to sell the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► widgets I want to have the highest share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► price you will fail don't try to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► know instead aim for the virtuous thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► which is making the best product and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► you look at what Steve has done over his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► entire career that's always what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► concentrated on he's not been chasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► the ancillary rewards he's not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► chasing profits or market share or stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► price he's gotten those things by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► chasing the one thing that he actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► cares about is making great stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► this sounds like a stupid trite flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► level of course you're going to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► best product Lee everybody knows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► right but if you look at what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► companies do and I would imagine if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► were in their boardrooms listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► their discussions they're not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► about how do we make the best product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► they're talking about how do we succeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1798">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► in the market how do we defeat our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► competitor so on and that strategy can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► work like Microsoft is built on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► Microsoft strategy was let's always make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► the best product it was let's crush our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► competitors what kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► innovative business model or strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► can be used to become the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► player in the PC space and it worked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► them and they won right so it's not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► say other strategies can't work but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► has not been what Apple has done Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► has always said we are going to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► strategy's not worked for them like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► had the best product with the Mac way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► back when they didn't do enough of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► other things like it wasn't enough they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► had too many demerits against them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► top of then you know Steve Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► kicked out 1985 so you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► blame him for all those dark years when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► Apple wasn't concentrating on that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► right so oh and then I finished up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► thing is saying Steve Jobs obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► will never be equalled by any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► single person but he could be actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► organization that stays true to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► ideals I'm gonna get to the bettering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► part in a little bit so so I felt like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► had put that to bed within myself as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► him leaving goes and I was not four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► years ago now did we just jump back did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► you did you anticipate that this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► that the the timing of this were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► expecting this was just like oh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► going to happen any day kind of thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► I thought he would be gone sooner really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► that's why I wrote this in 2007 I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► afraid with the lead time of the print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► magazine that I would be too late like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► that this would go in and he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► already be gone by the time the went up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► I was like I have to meet it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► thought you know how long could he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► possibly stay in this right you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► the different out like none of us know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► any details of the health situation I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► don't really care about the details I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► don't think it's anybody's business but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► that also means that I you know I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► uncertainty I didn't know it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► any day now right but I thought I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► just like you know I put it to bed I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► like well when he eventually does leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► I feel like I don't need to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► addressed this many years ago I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► what I had to say and that's it but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► he actually left I felt I found out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► I wasn't as prepared as I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► because it wasn't like oh yeah I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► this coming it's no big deal I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► feel that way at all I felt like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► preparations that I was still kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► you know I was sad I was disappointed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► was kind of a drift out to see it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► didn't really know what to think I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► down some notes and like maybe I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► write something about it I wrote down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► lot of notes about the issue and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► like well this sound what I am what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► have these notes on sounds more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► eulogy but he's not he's not dead he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► just left the company right and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► was thinking about why that was the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► and that was another point I jotted down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► and then Daniel John could made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► exact point on Twitter like the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► everybody's acting like Steve Jobs died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► is because the aspect of him we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► access to his public leadership role is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► and that none of us are friends with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► Steve Jobs so when he leaves his role as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► CEO of Apple it's like he's gone for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► because we don't know the other part yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► he continues to live on and have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► family and a life and friends and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► chairman of the board I guess but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► much how much do we have any interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► with any of the people on Apple's board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► we don't see them know about them hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► anything about them really so once Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► Jobs leaves a CEO it's like he's gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► for us not dead but like he's gone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► us which is why when I was making notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► about what my feelings are about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► leaving it was like a eulogy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► Steve Jobs that I know the Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► than any of us know the guy whose CEO of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► Apple has gone right so he might did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► think he might as well be dead but he we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► don't we don't see him here we don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► to hear him talk we don't get to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► what he has to say he's not in direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► leadership and control of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► although that was you know been true for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► a while since he's been a medical leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► ring so that's why I feels like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► gone uh and I was that my future notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► were about like so what was his role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► when he was there I know you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► on preview shows like would you consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► histories and I Gruber said yes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► actually a phrase but that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► who invented this phrase but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2038">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► seems to come out of the ether when Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► returned in 97 or whatever and I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► I've seen it everywhere and I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► used it and I don't know who invented it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► but it's the jobs two ERA jobs Roman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► numeral two you know to capitalize error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► in the jobs to error of Apple you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► since the jobs to era you seen it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► stories for years and years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► and it's just the natural thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► like he had the first error of jobs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► aptly found with the company with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► friend Steve Wozniak and blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► made the personal computers became rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► blah blah but then this is the jobs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► error alright so this is the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► jobs to era alright and trying to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► about what is what is the legacy of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► jobs to error how's it different the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► jobs when I may still write this I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► know I didn't I didn't write it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► like I said it felt like a eulogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► so eventually some day when he does pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► on maybe I will write this up and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► down but for now I'm trying to mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► just think about is what he did in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► job as CEO and that's what other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► been talking about on your other shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► with mark on group I like what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► that he brought to the company during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► this second phase of his career and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► I think the key difficulty I have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► talking about this topic is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► don't know what jobs did so Gruber link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► this article the title was ideas not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► hierarchy on Steve Jobs supposedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► making all Apple decisions and it's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► the small wave calm by Tim Tom Reiss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► teaming and he talks about the notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► that you know that Steve Jobs is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► personification of the company and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► because of him so we're all familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► with this phenomenon I've Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► anything it's shorthand instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► saying that Apple did XY and Z we say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► well Steve job wants X so Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► once this and the reason that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► that is because that's what Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► wants like that he somehow makes every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► single decision and does every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► thing the company does and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► shorthand way of expressing the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► that he's a dominant personality and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► the company and he's more hands-on than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► most other CEOs are he's he's willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► be involved in the details but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► no way that one person does all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► stuff right so in this article there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► an excerpt from the the d8 conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► which I don't remember what year was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► with a couple years ago where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► interviewing Steve Jobs onstage and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► person asked him what do you do all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► Steve and what he said was basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► team meets with teams of people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► works on ideas and solves problems makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► products blah blah blah like he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► Mossberg interviewing them he says what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► are people willing to tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► you're wrong yes and job says yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► he says it must progress do you win all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► of your arguments with your employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► and he said no of course not you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► employees because you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► get great employees at your company if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► every time they come up with an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► that you disagree with you override them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► because you're the boss right so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► idea is that you know he's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► saying that they come to me with ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► and yes I'm sure he says that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► that's bad or whatever but when he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► arguments with them which apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► subordinate will say I think we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► do XY and Z and Steve will say I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► we should do P Q&R he doesn't just pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► rank and say well I'm Steve Jobs and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► get to do it they have arguments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► sometimes he loses and he has to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► if you were some super smart designer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► something or you know Johnny I've or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► anybody you know Tim Cook or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► Phil Schiller and every time you came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► with an idea and your boss disagreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► your boss just said well I'm the boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► and we get to do it that way you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► be disheartened you wouldn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► stay at this company like you can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► smart people is the direct quote from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► from Steve Jobs he says the Mossberg s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► did you win all the arguments he says no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► you see you can't if you want to hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► great people and have them stay working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► for you you have to let them make a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► of decisions and you have to be it mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► and you have to be run by ideas not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► hierarchy the best ideas have to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► otherwise good people don't stay hmm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► the best idea is he's saying and are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► necessarily my ideas right now so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► is Steve Jobs himself saying every one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► of these ideas was not my idea and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► can't be so that's just not how you run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► a company so they think the smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► dispelling this myth that he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► everything now we can kind of know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► he did in general like we can say he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► came back to the company and broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► well broad strokes the first thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► happened was that he said we need fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► products so he killed a bunch of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► he got rid of the the clones got rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► the Newton cut their product line down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► to the level four before a grid or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► and so forth now does that mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► his idea to do every single one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► things no not necessarily but it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► that as soon as he came in what his team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► did was simplify the product line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► since the CEO was in charge it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► subordinate said I think we should sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► pizzas and Steve Jobs said well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► disagree but you're the subordinate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► you're real smart so I guess we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► make pizzas these are company changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► decisions to cancel the Newton to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► cloning to cut half your products are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► more than happier products down to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► very simplified thing these are big big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► moves that have to have the approval of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► the guy in charge so you can put that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► Steve Jobs and say yeah he did this he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► decided this is the path back to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► company first get rid of all this crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► concentrate on these few things he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► one who you know we don't know who came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► with the idea of an iMac or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► like that but he's the one who said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► that's the thing that we're going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► with we're going to cut everything out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► out you guys work on the iMac we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► going to do that I'm going to work very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► closely with you on the iMac we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► work together on and that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► our first big you know comeback thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► you can put big broad decisions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► that on top of job like the idea is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► should we make a phone yes No ah does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► that mean Steve Jobs came up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► idea of the iPhone thought we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► make a phone camel design no but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► end of the day someone came up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► idea to make a bone he's the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► gave it the thumbs up or thumbs down so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► it's easy to put the big decisions on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► him but the thing about the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► the jobs to air is that say if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► like Apple or your anti Apple or anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► Jobs or whatever you're inclined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► believe that Steve Jobs was the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► stopping whatever it is that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► that you didn't get in the job store so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► if you don't like the App Store Policies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► feel like oh it's because Steve Jobs did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► we have these things I don't like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► wanted an X Mac like well the reason we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► didn't have an X Mac which we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► about in past shows to say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► configurable Mac that has only exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► what you want and nothing else and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► you know cheap enough that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► afford it and so on and so forth the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► reason we don't have that is cuz Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► Jobs doesn't want write or a licensing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► Mac os10 for generic PC hardware it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► like oh we would have that except if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► wasn't for Steve Jobs like whatever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► thing is that you didn't get in the jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► - error and you don't like Apple you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► gonna say oh it's because of Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► that we didn't get those things right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► and on the other side of the coin if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► like Apple products and quality and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► that stuff you assume that things can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► only get worse without him there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► all the things that you like you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► well the reason we had the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► really like was because of Steve Jobs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► Mac os10 look really cool that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► because of Steve Jobs like on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► MacBook Air is awesome and we wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► have that without Steve Jobs the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► is awesome and the iPod is awesome and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► if it wasn't a Steve Jobs we wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► have those so there's a tendency for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► both sides of the Pro and anti Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► camp so just assign two jobs all the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► things that they liked or didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► and that can't all possibly be true like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► all those things that the people didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► get they sell it's because of Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► you don't get that you don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► that's that's why we didn't get a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► like only thing you can say is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► probably that Steve Jobs eventually gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► it the okay that you know like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► no that the App Store Policies whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► came up with the idea of the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► Policies maybe it was Steve maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► wasn't but he gave it the thumbs up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► right side you know okay we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► go with that strategy and we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► stick to it because clearly apples had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► spoken with one voice on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► and you know they modified it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► bit or whatever but it's clear that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► agreed to that but doesn't mean he came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► up with it or that even he was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► biggest proponent from it for all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► know he leaves and he was actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► one at every meeting saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► these App Store policy should we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► subordinates was saying no no we got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► stick with this and he was eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► convinced by a smart subordinate for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► you know for example Scott Forstall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► or Tim Cook were the biggest proponents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► of the close app store wasn't Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► it was keeping you from having whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► it is that you wanted it was one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2518">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► the other people who works for him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► he was just convinced by them that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► this is why it's so difficult to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► out what is post jobs Apple going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► like because you can't know which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► was primarily motivated by him or which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► one of these things like he was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► an opposition to because Apple speaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► with one voice under under Steve Jobs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► the jobs to air it speaks with one voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► but that doesn't mean that in all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► debates that one voice was Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► enthusiastic for it and you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► you don't need to look any further than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► like you know Steve Jobs flops that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► people have been talking about like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► clear the Steve Jobs love the g4 cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► whether it was his idea or not right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► when he was up there on stage he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► enthusiastic about this brought he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► thought it was awesome now let me just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► jump back a sec here John do you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► anticipate that that one voice is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► to change do you think we might have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► voice of Schiller and the voice of cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► or do you think do you think they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► somehow or will we sort of lose it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► interesting it I just want to touch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► this point for a second because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► if you think about that whether it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► press release or what sometimes it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► like there is the voice of Apple that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► hear through the press release then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► think of Apple embodied it is Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► and then we have other people who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► speak on Apple's behalf whether it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► PR or whatever do you think that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► to change is that going to splinter are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► we going to have not different people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► saying different things but a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► different people to think about from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► from Steve you know from Steve Jobs now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► it's passed down to these two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► or four or five people or well we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► more of the faceless Apple just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► generic Apple PR you know because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► can't you can't just go and replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► Steve Jobs and say oh this is our new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► CEO therefore this is going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► new or can you well yeah that was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► of getting out with the flops like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► the hockey puck mouse another thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► which jobs seems to be enthusiastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► about right those are the with the flops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► you can kind of start to pinpoint like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► all right so when we saw this guy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► stage we were all convinced by his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► enthusiasm for these things right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► marketplace or the mark you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► hockey puck Mouse like they eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► changed it to an oblong one the g4 cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► got canned that's an example where again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► we're still just speculating but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► going to say Steve Jobs wanted this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► probably someone at Apple was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► can't make the mouse around dude people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► can't tell which way is up and he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► and he stuck with as long as you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► but eventually when they made the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► Mouse someone said Steve come on we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► this round thing nobody likes it we put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► a little dent in the front of the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► so people could tell that didn't help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► can we change it and Steve Jobs said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► yeah okay you can change then the g4q [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► but wasn't selling the numbers guys said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► I know you love this computer Steve but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► the consumers don't and as great as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► think it is they're just not ready for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► it they don't want it we have to can it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► right and so they backslide on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► right now that doesn't mean they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► speaking with one voice but it does mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► that that one voice that Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► wasn't necessarily right now the fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► that you were talking about I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► is a legitimate fear is that regardless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► of which way Steve individually was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► any of these things they care about we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► see the most Pro was he's the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► against was you know oh what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► happened who was the one really behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► this despite the fact that Jobs is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► one out of the state she was the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► really behind it legitimate fear is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► nobody else at the company will have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► unassailable political capital within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► Apple that Steve had like at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► the day when it came time to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► hard decisions he could always say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► right I've heard all the arguments I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► gone one way the other and I'm gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► with campaig or can't beat whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► that's camp a is his idea or not his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► idea he can make the decision and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► he makes that decision dissents within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► like isn't there's not isn't that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► not making people angry like there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► some disgruntled section of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► like oh I really like he's got such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► political capital there that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► that's what Steve wants to do like Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► came down decision you know it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► mean that that's his thing like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► say Forrestal is arguing for one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► and you know Bertrand was arguing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► something else and he picks Forrestal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► right or whoever you know when he makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► that decision that's it because he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► that kind of political capital on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► he's he's he's Steve Jobs right the fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► is now that even though Tim Cook is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► charge when Tim Cook makes that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► call that the people who didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► picked feel a little bit more grumbling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► tremendous political capital people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► trust him and I think he's great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► everything but he's not Steve Jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► that that little tiny thing will make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► so that perhaps Apple doesn't speak as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► well with one voice on the long haul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► time I think yes they will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► speak clearly one voice and probably you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► know going forward for many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► but if you don't have that guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► everyone believes in even when they rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► against you even steve job ruled against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► you you still can like get yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► right with it and continue to work hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► for what Steve wants right and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► reasons TV news by the way game by two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2818">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► the hockey puck interview for Cuba is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► that when he was wrong or when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► appears that the thing that he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► turned out he wrong he's not like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► stuck with it forever something he kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► the g4 cube around and kept trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► sell him oh nobody wanted them he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► I guess that you know he's willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► admit that he's wrong and backslide and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► and you know changing his back so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► didn't feel like he was an unfair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► dictator but they just just all believed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► in him so much now think about some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► these other issues that have been inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► Apple I guarantee every single one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► these had opposing camps within Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► like even though we see one voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► externally internally not the same cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► cloning or no cloning guaranteed they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► like the company was probably split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► 50/50 pro or against cloning yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► know it's stupid cancel the Newton or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► keep it - but the Newton team didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► want you to cancel and if it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► people at Apple who really liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► Newton you know and didn't want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► it go away the big one that I can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► of in recent memory is Linux on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► iPhone or Mac OS 10 derivative and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► was a real debate with an Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► we're gonna make a phone or portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► thing like when they did the iPod they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► did that what is it called picks picks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Oh pixie picks something with you they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► outsource the OS for the original little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► you know five gigabyte scrollwheel ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► gen one thing like they didn't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► OS word so when it came time to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► phone there was a legitimate debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► within the company do we do we run Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► or some embedded OS on this phone or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► we try to put Mac OS 10 on it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► think Forrestal was the Big Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► guy which is why he's in in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► iOS now but there are two camps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► some some people saying we can't fit Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► OS 10 of the phones ridiculous it thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► takes you know umpteen megabytes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► memory it takes this much CPU we see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► slow it is on Macs you want to put this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► on a phone that's crazy we got to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► with Linux everybody's doing embedded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► Linux and the other camp was saying no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► no you don't understand we're building a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► platform we need to own it we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► use Mac OS 10 we all know how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► turned out you know that on the phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► iOS which is the derivative of Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► but there was a legitimate debate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► an apple whether that should be done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► someone has to make the call on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► and the people who really wanted Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► on the phone perhaps you know were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► annoyed that the decision came down that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► we're gonna go with Mac was sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► who knows we've made that decision I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► imagine that decision was made even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► before I got to level Steve Jobs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► you know whoever was in charge of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► thing maybe was Bertrand who was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► charge then said no we gotta go with Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► and it just got presented to Steve as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► this was were doing Steve said it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► maybe he doesn't you know you never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► what what part he had in that debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► right so now in the future without him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► say he wasn't there when the iPad was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► made and I guarantee there's some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► inside out but we're like we should put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► a USB port on the iPad and there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► some people said no we can't put a USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► port in the iPad and this is the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► decision where from what we all know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► Steve Jobs personality like he had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► the anti USB port guy because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► always trying to remove stuff he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► trying to take away things and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► we're personifying apples like remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► when they removed the floppy jaw but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► simplification I remember when that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► know if it's the cube that he seemed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► love it had lots of stuff removed from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► probably a safe bet right uh and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► the decision came down no USB port right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► gangbusters like say it started up more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► like the iPod because when the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► first sold it wasn't just a smash it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► like the iPad was it was a slow slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► burn that built up to this big critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► mass so say the iPad was like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► if that happens post Steve Jobs and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► the anti the pro USB port camp says see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► this thing we put out there like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► not selling that well it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► biggest doesn't have a USB port which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► what everyone in the press has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► complaining about hey no USB port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► without Steve Jobs there to like to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► his mojo behind the no USB port decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► even if it wasn't his decision like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► the pro USB port camp become emboldened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► by his absence to petition harder for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► to appear because the iPad isn't selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► well or something like that's the that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► the little thin edge of the wedge that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► could happen in the jobless future where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► things that just wouldn't have flown in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► the past that people wouldn't have even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► considered bringing that up again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► because the decision had been made and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► it's clear that that's what Steve wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► decision it was don't don't bring it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► again that debate is settled we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► gotta let it you know let it ride out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► that those guys come back and start you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► know saying well you know maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► should rehab us have that debate again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► USB port and maybe it'll you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► maybe the guy in charge like Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► says um you know maybe they're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► maybe we should try it with the USB port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► that's the danger of like not speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► with one voice not having the guts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► stick with your decision when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► uncertain that coming back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► touchpad thing with HP is good the HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► didn't have the guts to stick for even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► two seconds and Jobs has the guts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► stick tremendously now he's not dumb he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► didn't stick with the g4 cube when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► wasn't selling at all he didn't stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► with the hockey puck Mouse forever he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► stuck with it for a long time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► he's stubborn but he's not stupid so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► fine line between having the courage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► your convictions and being foolhardy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► Apple has walked that line really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► were afraid without jobs is that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► even if people are trying to do exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► what he would do that they'll be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► that the dissent within the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► could possibly cause the guy the top to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► make different decisions than Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► would just because he doesn't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► he has the wherewithal to you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► stick to his guns the way Jobs would the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► same way when Jobs backslides abut he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► was four completely convinced that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► was right about that too it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► well it's time to can-can the g4 he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► as as convinced that caning a g4 was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► right thing to do g4 cube rather caning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► the cube is the right thing to do he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► as convinced of that as he was that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► was the right thing to do to ship it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► to begin with like he will turn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► corner very well I don't know if Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► Cook can do that so so that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► thinking of with this will Apple have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► less of a unified friend the short term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► I don't think so in the long term this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► is we are going to be watching for four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► reversals made too soon or product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► inappropriate that was really hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► pick these out because think about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► cruddy MacBook that you hate the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► with the no firewire port you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► thing yes it enough sitting in and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► don't I'm not using it right now cuz I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► just it offends me right so it's like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► we look at that and we say you know oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► well we everyone decides that Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► is mister Simplification he's the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► who kills the floppy he's the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► gets rid of the optical drive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► certainly he's the guy gets rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► firewire progress that's just his mojo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► we don't even know if that again we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► don't know if that was him but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► what Apple did they got rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► and they turned around on they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► actually I guess that was a bad decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► customers have told us that you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► the two cents that we save on having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► this firewire chipset they're not ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► for this port to be gone like and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► all right near the next MacBooks had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► have the final report back on yeah going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► forward you know thunderbolt we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► assume will eventually wipe out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► thunderbolt but it wasn't it wasn't time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► yet right so now say that same move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► happens with jobs not there everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► gonna be like oh well Steve Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► here they never would have done that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► or Steve Jobs here they would have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► it and stuck to it well Steve Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► there they did it it was wrong they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► reversed it so how we it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► really hard to distinguish between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► happening that looked like they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► it happened under Steve Jobs every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► one of those things happens I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► should think back to things that happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► when he was there and say is this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► different you know so say the Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► Apple ships all of their Mac laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► with no obstacles like we all assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► they're gonna do they're all gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► MacBook Air right but they just too soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► and people revolt and then he reverses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► and puts back an optical on one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► likeness I see if Steve Jobs was here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► that never would have happened what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► happen it happened with the fire our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► report and he was there right like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► with Steve Jobs was not infallible they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► just made you know they recognize their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► mistakes corrected them and made most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► the right big move so it'll be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► difficult we have to watch ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► everybody watch ourselves in the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► Jobs Apple of making us think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► anytime something goes wrong is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► Jobs isn't there we should remember all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► the things that he did despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► things all I said about will Apple be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► more wofully or whatever it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► ourselves about is this something the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► Apple under Steve Jobs would have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3298">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► and doesn't matter in the grand scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► of things like this gets me to my next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► point so like what is the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► future of Apple post jobs not just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► this year next year or you know putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► out the iPhone 5 or a new line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► laptops that opticals or all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► that you know Retina displays for Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► and retina display on an iPad like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► whole queue of stuff we all have in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► heads that Apple's gonna do it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► obvious evolutions of the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► they have going on right now and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► just a question of timing and details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► cheaper iPhones more carriers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► an iPhone that's legitimately 50 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► you know that all the things that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► in the past like put that aside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► things that that we should be worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► about or what's the next big move and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► this was we were worried about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► human jobs was here but you saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► articles are saying well so apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► entered the phone market they dominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► the music player market they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► digital music sales digital video like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► what's the next big move because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► made a whole bunch of big moves in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► jobs to era simplifying the product line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3358">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► big company changing move the iPod big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► move but you know music players pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► when does Apple make music plays they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► make computer so I the phone entering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► the phone mark gigantic move the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► creating this market for tablets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► didn't exist before and you know at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► post PC era and stuff like that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► are the big moves I would say that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► has done in the jobs to are what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► next big move what's the next thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► they do that's the thing that we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► all be watching for because all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► big moves seemed crazy and ridiculous to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► us and we just kind of like trusted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► Steve Jobs app like well you know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► right with the iPod so maybe this phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► thing will work oh my god he's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► with the phone thing with this pad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► I don't get it but you know I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► lot of us even doubted the iPad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► when it came out the Gruber was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► he didn't he didn't expect it to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► amazing right as he thought like yeah a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► Stein John if what he thought Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► was going to be most proud of whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► be the iPhone or the iPad and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► the iPad he thought the iPad because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► mean you don't you disagree with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► ah I mean I don't know it's tough to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► well you I think it would think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► your answer we got to do we got to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3424">TS</a>]
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00:58:01 ◼ ► field notes brand I'm not writing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► down to remember later I'm writing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► to remember it now field notes brand.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► use these things that slogan sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► something that Merlin want to come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► with doesn't I think Jim could all came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► up with it but it does it does sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► it's a good slogan seems like the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► of thing he'd come up with and he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► give to you because he's nice so uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► things these jobs is proudest of I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► know like I'm I think he's proudest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► the company in general because I can but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► okay but what you can't say that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► a cop-out I mean what it's not a cop-out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► I'll get I don't know it I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► how much of this talk about and how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► is saved for Oracle I eventually write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► but the win in the year so the iPad the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► revolution fomented by the iPad I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► Steve Jobs will be the proud of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► necessarily the specific product but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► idea that it has always been his idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► successful with technology and the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► even more so than the iPod the iPod made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► people successful digital music but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► different than like what he's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► wanted is the things that we do with PCs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► accessible to more people like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► what the Mac was about that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► GUI was about he all the things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► do with the PC but let more people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► them and the iPad is such a huge leap in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► removing lots of stuff that prevented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► regular people from being able to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► stuff that we can all do with PCs hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► and I bet a group is probably right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► about that but that idea that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► allowing people to use technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► confused or whatever and yeah I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► think he is the proudest of that not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► much the specific iPad product any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► than the specific original Mac he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► you know say he had been gone in the 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► he would have been the proudest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► Mac because that was the first big giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► leap from nobody can use computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► unless you're super nerd - now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► accessible to more people on the iPad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► the next big leap in that direction now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► the iPhone is like well isn't that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► leap in that direction - because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► you know it's a computer it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► was a computer they thought it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► phone really was this little computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► but the iPad makes that clearer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► makes more of the things you can do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► the PC accessible just because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► screen is bigger so those two are kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► of combined because they really are of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► piece and as we all know we've heard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► stories about how you know the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► whatever had existed long before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► iPhone and then they were going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► a phone in this whole debate about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► phone was Linux or Mac OS 10 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► like we know we've got that stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► we messed around with with the pad what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► if we just shrink that down and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► on the phone like the iPad actually came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► first even though the product shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► later so that I kind of put that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► iOS iPad thing I kind of combined them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► into one but but yeah the iPad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► success in the market I think is the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► what he's going to be proud of stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► terms of moving the pushing the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► race forward to quote their ad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► making more people be successful with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► technology now I was talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► next big moves like those are the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► big moves in it what's the next big move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► a police because as a company like jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► maybe proudest that iPad is a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► and the phenomenon in terms of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► people successful with technology but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► a company that moves that Apple is made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► to make Apple successful you'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► count like for example the iPod as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► most significant move in the jobs to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► because it was the first move away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► computers and it was the first thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► that Apple did that proved it we can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► can shape industries we can digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► music is messed up now we can come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► and we can fix it right side you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► don't download it illegally you can give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► us money we're going to make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► successful digital music not just nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► downloading stuff from Napster and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► they changed the entire industry like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► from a company's perspective that showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► that Apple was a mover and a shaker that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► could do stuff and same thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► disestablished thing elapsed not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► going to walk in blah blah blah this had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► these incumbents that were huge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► powerful and they they came in they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► shook up the whole industry just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► know change the landscape right so from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► a corporate perspective those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► big corporate moves right and in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► from that perspective the iPad is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► not as earth-shaking as the iPod and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► iPhone because the pod was making you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► know redefining music the phone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► shaking up the phone industry and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► pad was kind of making a new industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► where well I don't know if you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► forget about netbooks forget about cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► crappy pcs here's this new thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► it's significant but it didn't kick out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► incumbents so much as as the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► the other two moves did so now what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► the looking at these moves you like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► did jobs originate these ideas did he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► decide let's make a music player did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► someone come to him and say I have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► immediately saw this is a great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► right and all these instances did he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► he come up with these ideas or did he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► just approve them or how many similarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► big moves were presented to him did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► someone say we really need to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► the rental car business right and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► gonna revolutionize the rental car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► business and he said no we're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► do that one like we don't know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► big ideas came through the halls of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► Apple we just know the big moves that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► they did right so the next big step were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► like you know are people coming to Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► Cook and saying we need to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► rental cars again we need to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► pizza delivery like whatever like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► many big ideas is he get pitched there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► the dumb sure there's lots of big ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► right you know when I think and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► what we're all looking for what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► next thing Apple's gonna do iPod iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► iPad what is that maybe it all has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► with I what's the next big thing they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► going to do and the obvious choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► though the one that's kind of always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► doing around there is like during all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► the stuff has been going on Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► been trying to do something with TV this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► was our very first show if you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► that hypercritical episode number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► what's wrong with TV alright most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► things that I said are wrong with TV are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► still wrong with TV and Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► fielded the Apple TV one the Apple TV 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► they've always said it's just hobby they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► like hedged and kind of said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► this is not our big move this is not our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► big company move but every time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► earnings call and some analysts ask them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► about the TV stuff they're like and Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► Cook himself has said this in many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► them you know we think there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► something there so they realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► this is this frontier they just haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► made their big move yet they made their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► big move in the phone space like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► doing that the TV space they recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► and Steve Jobs himself I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► the TiVo episode is that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► interested in making something like TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► something like Google TV they just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► know what they're going to do yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► Apple TV one was kind of this thing not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► great Apple TV two came closer to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► mark but it's not setting the world on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► right that's the obvious next big step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► is Apple makes its move in the space of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► video not necessarily TV because as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► think Horus pointed out and either on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► this side or in some of his podcasts the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► it's the the television space the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► that's going to disrupt the television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► space is probably not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► existing infrastructure it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► something that bypasses it or makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► obsolete kind of in the same way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► Netflix was trying to where it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► going to be like like TiVo where and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► like the thing I was advocating that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► would still love you know take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► existing landscape of stuff and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► easier for me to deal with and TiVo was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► supposed to be doing that and has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► failing in its mission for variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► reasons listen episode number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► eyeballs not interested in doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► they just haven't figured out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► crack that nut yet right because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► like chicken and egg thing they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► get the content because the the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► bodies have got it all locked up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► think as Horace pointed out TV is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► infrastructure things that we have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► think about like the telecommunications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► is much more radically changed before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► landlines cell phone stuff like that TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► is very similar to how it was when TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► was first invented and it's also very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► young this you know programming and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► networks and I guess cable was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► disruption but it's like to get past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► that to get past the chicken in the egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► people want to watch their shows and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► you're going to offer them something it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► doesn't offer them their shows or if HBO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► is going to have it shows locked up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► the only way you can gauge Bo is through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► a cable company how can you ever fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► with that like cable company gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► the set-top box they've got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► content locked up yeah you can try to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► streaming and renting stuff but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► time delay it and you can't get all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► shows and people don't put up with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► so what we're doing now is kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► augmenting like regular people are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► augmenting their existing cable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► stuff with these other things like all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► need to have cables I can watch my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► sports shows but MLB is lets me watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► the baseball but not the local baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► games I still need TV for that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► also do Netflix screaming streaming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► watch this but I gotta get HBO because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► want to see a game of Thrones without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► having to wait for it like it's this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► mishmash of crap and Apple realizes is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► mishmash of crap and they have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► figured out how to crack that nut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► the obvious next big thing Apple can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► is make their move on in television they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► haven't done it yet now that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► mean that's going to be the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► they're going to do if Apple has shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► us anything is that the next big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► they do is often the thing that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► not thinking of so I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► next big thing is but this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► the job of the the post jobs to air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► Apple the Tim Cook era Apple what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► know not now not a year from now not two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► years now but eventually if Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► to keep going like they're gone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► have to make their next big move what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► that next big move what industry are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► they going to get into and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► change the landscape tough if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► keep doing that then that will be kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► of like they're becoming like Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► that they have this string of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► successes in big industries yeah Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► could be a success for huge success for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► years and years the biggest company in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► the world for years and years just on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► the power of the business that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► started now so they come to dominate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► phone business they they continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► dominate digital music business and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► products get better and better and Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► market share grows and like that's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► a great business but the Apple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► leases expect like maybe you can't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► this up forever but what we expect is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► every couple years or maybe it's every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► couple of you know every decade or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► something that Apple does what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► does it would just take an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► market of technology that stinks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► make it better and everyone's got their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► pet peeves mine I was obviously as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► television and Apple has shown some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► interest in that but that's what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► expect Apple to do if Apple stops doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► that if we're 70 years old and I list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► off the great things that Apple did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► know in the 21st century and I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► list the same ones we listed iPod iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► iPad Apple will still have been a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► company but we maybe were expecting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► possible but we expect them to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► to surprise us with with new things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► to take on new markets it's due to was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► that the show voyagers travel to time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► help history along give it a push where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► it's needed that's Apple they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► looking they look at the landscape of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► stuff they find the stuff that's crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► and we say you know do can we make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► better can we make a better phone can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► figure this out because we all hate our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► phones eventually said yes we can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► better phone we can make phones better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► let's do that TV so far the said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► it's not good we make that better maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► try appletv it didn't quite work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► Apple TV - like they haven't made their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► move I don't know what the next big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► thing and maybe it is pizza delivery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► your car rentals who knows I mean Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► is doing self-driving cars that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► stranger things that happen but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► that's what I'm looking for in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► the Tim Cook era is what is the next big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► thing they're going to do and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► little things I'm not as worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► again I'll be watching it to see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► there's any USB a port and iPad type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► stumbles and I'll be trying to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► with myself about whether that is a sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► of something bad or it's just something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► that would have happened under jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► anyway equivalent to the firewire port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► so that's what I think I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► about the post jobs error and one other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► thing I think on gruba show you asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► him I don't remember you phrased the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► question but it was basically would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► and groobie said nada this is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► yeah he's not gonna he would never come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► back ah I think the question was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► vague for me to understand what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► really meant for but um I think if Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► Jobs health miraculously became normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► and he was just as healthy as an ox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► was gonna live for another 40 years he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► would come back and be CEOs yeah I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► saying guarantee like I Gruber was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► answering you were asking the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► in the spirit of reality and we all kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► probably such that that's never going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► happen but say some miracle did happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► and he becomes completely cured he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► ox drunk he's coming back and taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► over and and you kidding Apple would beg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► for him to come like it's not like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► would be he would come and take over you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► know if he suddenly became healthy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► was ready to go for another few decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► the company would beg him to come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► and he would come back in a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► there's no way he would be alive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► healthy and letting someone else run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► Apple again that's not the spirit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► which you asked the question it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► the spirit in which group answered it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► I believe he's writing her himself he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► not going to come back assuming his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► health continues to stay the same or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► decline but if some miracle did happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► yeah he'd be back because you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► can't stand - you know it said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► doesn't want to let go but he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► doing the responsible thing and saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► you know basically saying my health is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► do you feel how how scheduled was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► John Gruber seemed to think that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► somewhat scheduled and in that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► wasn't a spontaneous decision it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► something that was planned whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► was planned for weeks or months maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► maybe there's a question but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► this was a plan and do you feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► this was a plan or was this something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► that was a it's so hard to tell without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► knowing details of his personal life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► that are nobody's business right so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► if you look at it from the outside my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► impression is that the second indefinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► medical leave was taken in the spirit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► that the responsible thing to do is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► do this now and to make a gradual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► transition and if it happens that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► miraculously I start getting better we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► didn't close the door on me coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► but this is the beginning of a planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► gradual transition process like planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► or not they had a gradual transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► where you know he had a liver transplant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► then he came back didn't know he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► have died having a liver transplant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► right that would have been a more abrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► transition right but he what it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► turned out is that have a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► steps where you know certainly the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► that has been planned is I think jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► having other people do more stuff at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► keynotes that was a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► planned because he said you know we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► got to start preparing for this I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► to I you know I'm going to intro stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► and then everyone else is going to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► on do their bits I'm not going to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► whole keynote myself whereas he used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► do that so that was definitely planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► but everything else with him leaving and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► coming back every time it's like we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► to do this because it's the responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► thing and if it so happens that I start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► I'll start coming back right so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► indefinite leave was probably taken in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► the spirit that you know who knows maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► I get better maybe I'll be back but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► the kind of pessimistic outlook is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► if I don't this is a great gradual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► transition so I think it it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► plan that you don't want to be a plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4378">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► they didn't want this to be there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► nobody wanted it to be the way it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► and so every time they made this move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► isn't like this were 100% locked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► Steve's exiting the company was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► like you know maybe maybe things will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► get better maybe he'll come back and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► it doesn't we are on the course of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► nice gradual transition plan but if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► does you know hey we have no qualms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► about canceling out so that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► it was undertaking a long gradual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► transition that actually worked out very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► well in terms of giving Tim Cook the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► company for a long period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► getting Wall Street comfortable with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► getting all of us comfortable with key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► notes without Steve Jobs but at every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► point it was while Apple was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► through the motions it was with the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► transition pen that it appears to be we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► hope that this is not what we're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► doing we hope things turn around right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► so that that's that's my take home on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► what it was like that it was a gradual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► probably in denial I call you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► maybe he'll be back and maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► that that's my take on it do you feel I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► guess this is a silly question to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► optimistic in general now and then five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► years from now about what Apple about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► just like Apple well because I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► I would say it seems that like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► cautious very cautiously optimistic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► and maybe it on the scale of optimism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► and pessimism and with with five in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► middle you're like 5.00 one optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► about as one general I'm pessimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► about Steve Jobs prospects hmm I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► always been pessimistic about his health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► Testament I've been mean that's what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► 2007 like I said I was in a big rush to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► write this thing what Apple's can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► like rusty I've always been pessimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► about his health but just sad I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► you know it's just how I've always felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► I've always been sad about I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► didn't like the fact that you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► though I don't know him personally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► you get attached to people who you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► like it's like celebrities I guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► think you know the person because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► you know read all about them and know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► about their history or listen to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► songs or if they're select me know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► singer or whatever but you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► the person right but we all feel this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► kind of weird personal connection with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► Steve which has no basis in fact but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► that's how I feel about him so I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► pessimistic and sad about him Apple as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► company I definitely feel optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► about in the short term because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► believe in what Steve Jobs built I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► he's built something that is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► than the other things that are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► short-term like next five years I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► pretty optimistic about Apple and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► gets back to the idea of us not knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► what he did like I'm optimistic in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► sense that I believe there are at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► as many decisions that Steve Jobs made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► they were wrong as there were they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► right not the overall like the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► scheme of things grand scheme he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► he's just been right about like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► everything right so his tracker is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► but the little things right I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► it'll be interesting to have a fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► perspective on those little things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► that there's some upside to that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► short term long term that's where I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► pushing more towards pessimistic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► idea that Steve has seemed to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► the right big moves are to make even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► you didn't come up with the moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► because look at the big moves Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► made I can't it's easy to find little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► missteps a product here a port remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► there a policy here you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► lots of little things but the big moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► that he has made have just all been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► right and it's amazing track record and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► I'm pessimistic that an apple without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► him will be able to make such big moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► or will make as many will be right every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► single time right doesn't mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► company is going to go downhill like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► even even if you make half as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► correct big moves as Apple you still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► doing better than the competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► because Illinois what I see from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► competition is either than making no big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► moves or making horrible wrong ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► constantly yeah HP or might you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► Microsoft is like just floundering and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► just not doing anything interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► the other rivals are making big moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► but you're like what are they doing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► think I think you're touching on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► biggest fear for the for the anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► who's a fan of Apple is you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► where Microsoft is today and you say how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► could this this giant and we've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► this before I think on this program I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► know I've said it before is that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► was a time in whether it was in the 80s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► 90s where Microsoft was so dominant not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► everywhere they did everything they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► find what people did except for the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► few of us who had the common sense to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► use a Mac they'd if they were they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► computers and the idea that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► be in this kinda sorta we still are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► relevant really trust me kind of space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► that they're in right now at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► outside of the very corporate sector it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► would you would be unthinkable how could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► they how could they fall to this to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► state that people just don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► consider them relevant when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► modern thinking about computers that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► kind of the fear I think people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► about Apple they're like well with Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► Jobs gone how long it's not a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► of if it's a question of how long until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► Apple is in that situation how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► before they're not innovating how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► before they don't have remarkable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► because look and and I'm not saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► as the Apple fan that I am I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► this as just as objective as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► possibly be look at the great stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► they've made even over the last five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► years just look at the last five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► forget anything before that forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► anything that came before that look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► the last five years of Apple's history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► look at the great stuff they've made and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► look at look at the great computers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► they've given us look at the iPhone look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► at the iPad whatever pick pick one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► remarkably and that's the fear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► people have is what is going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► in the next five years are they gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► fall the way Microsoft has you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► fallen in it from from from great that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► one of the topics actually have for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► future shows what ails Microsoft well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► good I don't say I can't wait for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► one I don't have the fear Microsoft I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► don't have the fear that Apple is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► to become a Microsoft simply because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► Apple's already so much better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► Microsoft like Microsoft had one at two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► maybe two big moves one one main big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► move which is their big move with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► dawning of the PC H should become the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► dominant player on the PC desktop like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► they put all the wood behind that arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► they concentrated hundred-percent we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► were going to be the dominant player in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► the PC space and they did it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► succeeded Microsoft PC and everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► desk they dominated they did it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► is a huge victory especially miss Eve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► even huger because back then it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► dawning of this age and they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► big dominant player so they were there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► don't think anyone will ever be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► dominant as Microsoft was just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► were so few players and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► was their one biggest move their second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► big move might surprise you to hear what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► I think it is but I think their second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► big move was Xbox I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► successful I think they were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► fighting less you know fighting the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► war not the new war like they entered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► the console space it was the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► it was like their iPod let's branch out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► the company in a direction that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► previously had only been timid you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► they went full force yeah we are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► to enter the home game console space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► because we believe the home game console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► is the gateway to blah blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► turned out to be mobile and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► iPad not game consoles that was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► an industry in decline right now but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► they you can't say that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► commit to that they committed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► console space which was different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► the PC desktop space and they weren't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► failure they're a strong number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► number two kind of foot but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► like they were in the wrong place at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► wrong time like that industry it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► the fact that they are the number 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► jockeying around with sony nintendo it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► like that's great and all but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► we're not as excited about that as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► anything like that like you would those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► the game console space is already being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► disrupted by these other things and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► being a player you just you got there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► time to be an incumbent and can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► incumbents but but they committed to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► and they did a big move it was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► company it wasn't like you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► Microsoft ultimate TV or or even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► Zune or anything like that they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► billions and billions and billions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► dollars into Xbox and they made a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► good game console right they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► competitive they committed to it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► that's two you know one big move that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► totally paid off and made the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► that defined Microsoft and another big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► move that was like you know bb+ like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► kind of did okay but strategically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► speaking it wasn't as smart as like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► know entering the phone space and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► yeah and they entered you know the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► space in the PDA space but well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► wouldn't call those big moves they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► strangled with strategy taxed by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► their windows stuff you know so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4917">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► that and that's why I don't think apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► in danger of becoming that because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► already have so many more like apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► defined by making big move after big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► move Microsoft is defined by its one big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► made and as Gruber pointed out like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► mo of typical corporation says make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► big move become a big success in than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► defend and Apple doesn't that's not how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► preordained that yet you made your big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► move and then you're gonna defend like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► any company ever does and that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► path to stagnation right and coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► of that was like let's not just defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► let's try and bring a new market this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► Xbox but it was you know it wasn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► wasn't as successful as their other move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► right and it wasn't as big and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► payoff wasn't as big and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► someone so forth so but Apple has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► done that they've always been forget the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► past that who cares we got we gotta do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► something new like that's the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► company is always operate now it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► the company could decide could become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► more normal and not do that and like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► got to figure out how to defend our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► existing markets and we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► enter any new ones and we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4978">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► to be interesting right but that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► how that's not the spirit of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► right now and it would take a turnaround [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► to change it now let's compare it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► Google which is another one that that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► feel like is more in the Microsoft mold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► Google's big thing was we're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► web search better than other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► right and how does Google make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► money you know to make it all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► advertising right I feel like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► their one big move that's where they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► the majority of their revenue they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► not they're not like Apple where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► know Apple where does most of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► revenue come from the only thing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► iding principle is that Apple makes us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► money on hardware but what hardware you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► know they're interesting new products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► that are eclipsing lines that have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► around for 20 years Google is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► eclipsing it's add business right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► Google is more like Microsoft and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► is they should be more worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► becoming stagnant because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► defending their existing business Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► should not be as worried about that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► is just not how the company operates so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► yeah I'll be watching for that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► why I'm saying what's the next big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► because I want to see Apple continued to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Microsoft or Google but already I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► they have done more big moves in any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► those companies the Google's credits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► trying Android is you could say is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► move in that direction but they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► know where are they making their money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► they're not selling the handsets they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► not making money off licensing the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► they're still taking their money off ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► it's their one thing you know Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► is strangled by Windows in office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► their dominance of the PC desktop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► Google just seems laser focused on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► add business even though there aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► all these other businesses it's like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► about the ads so you know I think apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► way ahead of the game and I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► worry too much about them even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► never do another thing they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► better than microphone Google so are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► who's the guy who's better than Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► has made more big moves than Apple even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► if they never make another big move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► again uh in the grand scheme of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► you're gonna say yes they were a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► company than Microsoft and Google okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► it's a big show yeah yeah I'm why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► don't know I have a lot of feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► about I can tell Apple and Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► like it was a Star Trek reference again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► wasn't I don't know oh you know I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► have no way of knowing never seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► show so what's next idea Fox why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► follow this up it feels like a swan song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► I think we could do Microsoft one next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► oh yeah what ails Microsoft I gotta have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► more topics that'd be good I could talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► more about HP people still wanna hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► about markdown I never did talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► patents got so many topics ah good see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► you were afraid we were gonna run out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► yeah well you know big dramatic things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► happen suddenly you get a new supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► yeah and certainly a lot of big dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► things happening this summer so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► was a theory that I think Marco proposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► actually before before hey there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► a sort of a footnote to this show that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► unrelated but but you mentioned HP and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► made me think of it before we do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► wanna I'm trying to help my my friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► out over at thoughtbot um they're one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► leading Ruby on Rails development firms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► they're looking to hire somebody an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► expert designer specifically in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► you should go pay them a visit these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► guys I mean you and I are you in Boston [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► Proper can we say that in the show or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► you know what it's not I'm not but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► I don't know they let me visit them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► because you know a perl guy they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► that doesn't doesn't allow too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► punctuation into their shield shields up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► I would say if they hear you coming on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► well anyway these guys their designers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► are very they're not just a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► guys that make banners or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► these guys that they lead projects are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► responsible for the user experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► the company they focus on usability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► visual design and then they do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► with HTML and CSS and they even work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► the actual rails apps alongside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► developers so they're not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► isolated they're part of the team and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► they do client work they do internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► projects they get 20% off their time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► work on new projects they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► really great and they enforce a 40-hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► they don't like people to do overtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► they like people to to have fun so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► find out more and apply for this you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► to thoughtbot comm slash jobs slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► designer and go there if this is you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► you're in the boston area if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► be in the boston area if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► designer these guys are looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► somebody awesome when they do also work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► so hopefully I can help mount Chad Pytel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► my friend over there thanks Chad so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► here's here's where I was going with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► this John is Marko I think put proposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► announces fire sale but then they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► come back and they say oh well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► going to make more we're making more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► we're going to keep selling them at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► rate for a limited time Marko it said do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► you think that they're just doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► because they've got inventory of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► above the parts and they just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► clear everything out and I know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► very focused on supply chains and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► engineering and stuff what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► what do you make of that really quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► the inventory idea I don't like as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► as the manufacturing contract idea the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► idea that they had contracts to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► certain lengths of time or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► they would be you know wasting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► money like the ninety nine dollars they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► get even though it's a loss it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► than zero and they have to fulfill their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► contracts for manufacturing or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► but the MIT the the big point I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► have on this thing is the idea that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► can find some logical explanation for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► company that we all believe has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► I would question that like who says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► there has to be some reason that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► because all of us disagree with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► recent moves HP is making so why try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► come up with an explanation that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5338">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► agree with for making the second run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► maybe this is just another in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► line drive decisions by HP as it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► of the more convincing explanations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► I heard don't kill yourself trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► manufacturing contracts maybe they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► do nothing another stupid thing right uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► I only think it's interesting if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► reverse course and say we're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► going to try to give this webOS thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► ago yes as far as I know other than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► stupidity of their public message they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► haven't closed the door on that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► could you know fire their CEO another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► dramatic possibly stupid move and say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► actually we're changing course again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► mean it's at another week another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► strategy for each be the company they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► haven't actually sold off webOS they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► still own it in theory they could change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► their mind but just I get tired even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► thinking about what the hell HP is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► they're just they're screwing the pooch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► over there and the the extra HP TouchPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► thing on ER not really that interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► in the details that they decide make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► worthwhile for them to make that unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► they decide oh we changed your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► we're going to make a go webOS again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► that'll start paying attention again but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► in the meantime I'm still rooting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► somebody else to buy up webOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► actually do something decent with it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► should wrap this up we should but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► will be back next week yep on FiOS yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► well you will be that eliminates 20 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► percent of the problem that we were I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► think today will be you back on five ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► people can go to five by five TV they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► can listen to previous episodes of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► show which would be nice if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► get caught up you you mentioned episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► one not a bad place to start yeah all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► the other shows we do there perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► you'd like those if you're new to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► by five it's a good way to get caught up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► on what we're all about you can follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► John siracusa at on Twitter at siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► are you on the Google+ I am okay so how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► do they find that what's the URL good 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► 4 8 2 3 7 9 6 5 3 2 I don't know stray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► oddly I was too reminded of the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► commandeered the enterprise in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► take it back so that he may actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► receive the memory chip and he does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► by locking people alpha of the bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► with an impossible code oddly which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► just quoted back to me it's weird yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► that is weird and then uh you can follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► me on twitter dan benjamin and we'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla we told you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► about field notes brand.com heard it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► from dan those will all be in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► notes and and that's it so thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IplMG4B0/5493">TS</a>]