00:00:02 ◼ ► it's hypercritical a weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/5">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/10">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► so perfect that it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/14">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► about hypercritical is hosted by John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/16">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► siracusa I'm Ryan Ireland sitting in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/19">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► Dan bandwidth for this show is brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/22">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► Private servers submerged in oil get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/28">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► free bandwidth today at Midas green tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► calm / 5x5 we'd also like to thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/34">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► sponsors for this episode FreshBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/39">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► comm and source bits comm more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► them as the show goes on hi John what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/44">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► mentioned may be talking about markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/52">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► but we never got to it yeah maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/54">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► won't get to it this week you every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► every time I think I have a topic I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► to talk about news happens but before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► get to any news stuff I think we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► do a little bit of follow up from last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► week so the title of last week's episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/65">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► during the episode was paths in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/71">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► grass and I mentioned that it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/73">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► story that I had heard originally in I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/76">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► think it was a keynote speech and open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► source conference room from Larry wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/84">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► talking about how some university in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► California didn't put in sidewalks but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/89">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► wanted on the grass and then figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/93">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► where the trails were worn in the grass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► and then put in sidewalks there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/96">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► University so I looked it up after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► show actually I was off what Larry wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► University of California Irvine campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► that did this and then of course many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► other people said well this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/110">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► this may just be an urban legend which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► is true with the same story's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► attributed to many schools maybe many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/115">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► schools actually do this and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► there's a name for this type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► it's called the desire path I have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► Wikipedia link to desire path in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► show notes so people can look it up but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/125">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► apparently this is a common thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► who knows where the saying originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/129">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► came from but I just wanted to flesh out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/132">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► the backstory of paths in the grass and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► of course I used it back in whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/136">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► year was 2008 2005 something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► to talk about hack sees and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/139">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► another thing we talked about maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► couple shows ago discussing lion but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► when we went down and I discuss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/150">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► quote-unquote reverse scrolling versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► natural scrolling and all that business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► I mentioned that no matter what setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► you put those little checkboxes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► something feels weird so for example if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► you put it in the pre lion mode like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/164">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► just want it to work like it didn't snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► leopard okay so you put it in that mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/170">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► it's fine you're using your mouse with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/171">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► your mouse wheel or whatever everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/173">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► is exactly as it was in Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► but then when you go to something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/176">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► Mission Control with the put two spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► or a launch pad is another good example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► and you try to do a sideways wipe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► launch pad like so you have a trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► something even in the engine and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/191">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► default not the default even in the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► style Snow Leopard mode when you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► swipe the two fingers swipe or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► it is to go back and forth between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/199">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► launch pad screens that feels backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► because as soon as you see that big grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► of icons your brain goes into iOS mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► and you expect to swipe just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/208">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► swipe through your home screens on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► iPhone or whatever but that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► way it works because you said no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► want it back the old way so what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► saying is that I really really wanted is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/217">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► maybe a vertical scrolling to be like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/218">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► is you know in the old days and Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► Leopard but horizontal scrolling to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► in the new style but maybe or maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/228">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► want it to be vertical scrolling the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► way only on my mouse wheel but have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► be the new way on the touchpad and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/237">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► sorts of combinations like that now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► made the analogy to first-person shooter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► games we can always do the invert y-axis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► setting right some people like to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► and yes and first-person shooters it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/248">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► really is wrong all right and push the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► press the wrong way to make their view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► go up and down so finally there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► utility finally that's the yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► the big thing finally it's been how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► since line came out almost three weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► now there's a great utility called what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► is it called I have to go to the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► generic name like it's scroll reverser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► generic name but very descriptive and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► lets you have per axis per device scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► Direction reversal because scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► scrolling with the doing natural scoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/282">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► with the scroll wheel on a mouse is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/285">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► really strange for people right yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► you can do reverse the vertical reverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► the horizontal you can reverse the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► trackpad the mouse or the tablet and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► this utility works on Snow Leopard as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► well as lion so you can decide what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► think is the most natural combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/301">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► input devices and scrolling directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► and then apply that to all your Mac's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► matter which operating system they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► running and then just I guess run this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► grow a browser application for the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► of your life I don't know there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► something to be said for finding a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► to become acclimated with the defaults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► remember how painful that may be simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► yeah on utility I'm actually a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► surprised by about how big of an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► this has become because I just switched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/326">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► and maybe I'm just a maybe I'm just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/327">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► of a pushover when it comes to this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/332">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► of stuff but I just switched and it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► me took me a half hour to get used to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/336">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► everything else felt pretty much normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► to me so it's easy to get used to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► things like you will become I became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/344">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► acclimated to the reverse one just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► playing around with lion you know on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/347">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► off while I was doing my review but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► the the reason I noticed that I became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► alkylated because I were to go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► something and the screen will go the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► wrong way because I had got used to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/360">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► other way so having some sort of unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/361">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► direction across all your Mac's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► they're running Snow Leopard or lion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/365">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► important during this transition period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► because even if you get used to the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/368">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► one then you're just as frustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/369">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► doubly because you're frustrated when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► you go back to Snow Leopard then you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/372">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► the Snow Leopard you're frustrated when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/373">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► you go back to lion and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► forth so one not possibilities to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/375">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► set it to the Snow Leopard Direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► everywhere for now until the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► is complete and then once all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/383">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► machines at home and at work and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► Mac you encounter is running lion then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► you can get we used to the new way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► that'll might take like a day or two I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/391">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► think alright well that sounds good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► for people that are losing sleep about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/395">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► scrolling yeah I do like the idea I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/398">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► Apple builds us in I do like the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► being able to pick on a per device basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► which way things should be because the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/405">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► agree was very different from a truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► installed a lion I actually went out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► the Apple store and bought the trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/414">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► because it was just kind of weird to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/415">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► with the with the mouse so yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/418">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► that's some that's nice then for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/422">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► people that need a little bit of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► more specific settings per per device so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► it's scroll reverse a reverse trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► reverse mouse route this is pretty do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► you think it's something that Apple will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/437">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► bei don't build in though eventually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/438">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► think it's or you think there's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► let people suffer through the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/441">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► I think at what Apple believes is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► the that the mouse will become so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/445">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► much less important as an input device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/450">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► already the trackpad is the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► input device for Macs because they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► many more laptops than they do desktops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► and laptops don't come with the mouse so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► everything is biased towards well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► just going to make it feel right on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/462">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► trackpad and if it doesn't feel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/463">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► with you with your mouse tough luck and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► the mouse even is limited in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► gestures too so it's not that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► support everything and they do have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► touch Mouse and they do have that touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/472">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► trackpad thing I actually bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► trackpad before I started doing my line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/475">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► experience the full swipey swati poe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► nature of the operating system I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► don't like touch pads I'm vastly vastly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► more efficient with a mouse like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► did some sort of laboratory experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► as they shapes will appear on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/491">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► click on them as fast as you can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► chose an input device I would crush any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► trackpad user with a mouse guaranteed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/496">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► first-person shooter with someone with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/500">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► mouse and keyboard versus a console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► joystick right you may enjoy one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► other and you may be you know it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/506">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► feel more natural to you and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/509">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► probably what's important if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► the trackpad but efficiency wise but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Syracuse is going to come out with more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/515">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► kills is what yeah yeah oh and anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► like have you ever met so anyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► would claim that they are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/522">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► targets with a trackpad than with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/527">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► but I'm comfortable with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/532">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► truck yeah now people could be people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/534">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► could actually enjoy better than a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► they said well I don't like shuffling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/537">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► around this thing but just in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► raw numbers if you're going to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► out how much does what is the cognitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/543">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► load of using the trackpad how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► gestures to take how long does it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/546">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► trackpads or compromise and efficiency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► and if you're someone like me who grew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/553">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► up with the mouse I just can't get used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► to the fact that I mean I've got to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► my finger again to get the cursor over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/560">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► there or it's not quite where I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► it to be or just it just doesn't feel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► relaxing to me to use a trackpad ya know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► to me the trackpad feels more work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► it almost feels like I could more easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► injure my my hand using the trackpad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► long periods of time that I could if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/579">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► was using the mouse do you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► your tendons are under more I do but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► trackpad right here yeah and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► I'm using yeah I'm using my fingers in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/587">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► way in you know in repetition in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/592">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► that I don't I never did with a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► and I wasn't used to I know that you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► scrolling but you know when with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/599">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► trackpad you're using many more fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► and using them a lot more than you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► especially with with moving the cursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► around the screen and I have tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► dragging cursor but but ya know I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► like it's more work and actually that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/613">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► my main concern about using the trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► is I'm going to hurt myself because I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► spend so many hours on the computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► the mouse I never felt like it was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/622">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► to injure me because I you know maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► just have good posture when I work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► the trackpad just always feels like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► fingers at some point yeah there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► couple a couple of factors working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/636">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► against the trackpad one is that since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► inclination to be afraid to let any part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/641">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► of your hand touch it or around it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► your your whole hand is like poised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/647">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► tensely or depending on how what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► person you are poised above the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► and you don't want to touch it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/653">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► other finger so you're keeping your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/654">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► other fingers lifted up you're keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► your hand away from it your hand is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/657">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► relaxed you're kind of hovering it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► they just letting the finger that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► want touch it now you could find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► comfortable position with some party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► and resting around the trackpad where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► that's not necessary but the fact is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► that people do feel a little bit of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► tension some people feel out on mice too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► if you watch a novice user using a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► they'll be afraid to touch the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► part they won't rest their hand on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/677">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► mouse the way an experienced mouse user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► will but I find that more problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► trackpads ii is with the glass trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► that apple's added instead of having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► separate button the whole thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► button but it's still generally hinged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/688">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► trackpad down towards the edge that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► farthest away from the hinge so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► you're going to to click the trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► there's a tendency for experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► trackpad users to use their thumb on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► where the button used to be ah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► they're also the option when you condor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► that no-man's land of like well maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► could just press down with the finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► that I have that I've been moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/716">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► cursor with because I'm close enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► where the button region used to be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► you have to press harder because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► not really down as far as you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/723">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► you are it's it's an awkward and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► it's simplified from a hardware design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► perspective you can see what Apple likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/729">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► it no more button it's just the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► thing is a button but it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/731">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► trackpad on the desktop is like that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/738">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► because on the desktop one the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► triggers right and if you're pressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► down at the bottom edge you get good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► your force transfer as well to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► pressing down to the top edge it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/749">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► pushing the little clicky feet thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/753">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► experienced the difference in in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► required for that now there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► people who haven't used mice and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► perhaps much more expert than us people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► who grew up with mice but I still feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► accustomed to it there's a clear place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/775">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► to grip the mouse while maybe not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► apples mice button the third party mice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/779">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► is a clear place to grip it is a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/780">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► place to rest your hand and the buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► you're always pressing them in the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► mechanically advantageous position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► because your fingers kind of hang off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► towards the edge and the front edges are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/789">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► where you want to click on a good Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/790">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► and it's just there's no questioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/792">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► where your hand is or where your fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► are where the hinges or whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/797">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► with your thumb and press same thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/800">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► like clicking and dragging clicking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/801">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► dragon with the mouse is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/802">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► natural it's like grip and move your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► hand whereas on a trackpad you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► well I have to press down and drag but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/806">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► if I chose to press down with my pointer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► finger that I was going to do the drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► with now it's weird so I should really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► press down with my thumb where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/814">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► button used to be and drag with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► pointer finger but then I can't lift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► that pointer finger up or it's like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/818">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► you know am i stopping the drag of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/819">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► point actually I can't lift my finger up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► as long as I keep my thumb down there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/824">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► lots of finger gymnastics involved in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► track pads that I find unsettling uh all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/827">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► which is not to say that track guides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► are bad they're way better than I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/832">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► the alternatives like track balls for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► regular people regular people know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/837">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► to just swipe it's tough but the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► man just feels so much more efficient to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► me and actually is and I would I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► put that up against it there's someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/844">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► out there who thinks that they could in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► a laboratory targeting test of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/847">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► finding and clicking on targets on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► computer screen could outdo either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► themselves with a mouse versus trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► or you know the best Mouser in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► versus the best trackpad in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► I'd love to hear that I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► to test it but I'd like to know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► someone thinks that that's possible that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/864">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► they really are more efficient with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► trackpad all right the challenge has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► been issued we'll see Vinny can come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► with anything maybe some will write an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/871">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► application like a mouse click e testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► application where it'll put up little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► things you have to click on them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/876">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► kind of like the icon factory game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► picking time you've ever played that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► have not I should put that in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► notes that see it it's a game for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/883">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► which is a very different experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► when you're touching the screen that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/888">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► an instance where screen touching should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► because you don't have to move the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/893">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► over those you're literally your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/894">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► when you see the thing you clean it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/895">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► picking time put pops up images of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► fruits and vegetables on the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► the game is who can tap on them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/901">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► single-player and it just times you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► multiple player on the same thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/907">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► think you both have to try tap them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► basically an image will appear on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/911">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► hope there's a fruit and tap on it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/914">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► fast as you can with your finger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► different sizes and there are decoy ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► and all sorts of the things you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/919">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► expect that would actually be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/920">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► test application if only it existed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► trackpad do with the mouse and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/927">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► compare it to doing it on an iPad or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► iPhone with your finger I would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/930">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► think that fingers would crush everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► in direction see the thing tap on it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► fast as you can and that apps already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/935">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► well maybe me everybody go out and buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/938">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► picking time yeah I'm winning it up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► my phone right now I did not know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► that one it sounds it's fun kids like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► play it do and I don't I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► what the shared mode is like I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► beta tester for way back when I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► there is a shared mode where two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► try to tap the screen at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► all those games make me think that kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► somewhere or adult somewhere kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/963">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► breaking their iOS devices because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► they're jamming their fingers some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/966">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► the glass screen as hard as they can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► know while playing the game alright huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/968">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► a little more follow but I'll save it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► for next week we should move on to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► main topics what's on the docket for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► today mister siracusa like I said I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► marked down it was on the top looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/983">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► forward to it all week until I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► going back through I said well what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/988">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► happened this week now I always feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► like I don't know why but when my show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► is during the week I feel like the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/993">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► shows get to talk about the news of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► week before I do and by the time I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► to it it's all played out like I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► really talked about patents on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► because when all the patent stuff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► happening build and analyze and the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► show both discuss patents and then by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► the time it came time for me to record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► like well they said everything already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► so the HP I never talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► Motorola Google thing the HP thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► never talked about both were discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► on build and analyzing the talk show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► want to talk about them a little bit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► before that there's something else that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► popped up on my radar I could was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► earlier today you know Robert X cringe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► Lee Bob cringe Lee that's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► well-known famous tech writer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► pseudonym Robert X cringe Lee has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► interesting history behind that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► should look it up on the Wikipedia page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► to see how that's worked but the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► with ownership of that name now writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► lots of stuff about Apple and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► technology world and stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► I read his stuff and in general he tends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► towards crazy conspiracy theories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► sensationalism but I find that fun I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► don't fault him for it if you read him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► understanding who he is or where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► I'm game for some crazy conspiracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► theories every once in a while and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► think he's self-aware enough to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► that's what he does sometimes just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► so his article this week was entitled is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► the Mac Pro dead which I think has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► talked about on previous shows but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► is fed by some new extremely vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► rumors so I think this is on Japanese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► website that somebody Google translated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► that ended up going to an American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► rumors website and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► describing some supposed upcoming new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► Macs they're like nothing no max that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► have existed before I don't these rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► are so vague that they're ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► basically idea is there will be a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► back and it will be different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► different meaning I guess it's not a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► Mini an iMac or Mac Pro or maybe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► one of those things but the case looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► different god only knows this rumor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► so vague that's pointless to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► so as cringe Lee says in his review I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► going to quote a section here he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► talking about how that the Mac minis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► were updated recently but the Mac pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► weren't and he says the Mac pros haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► been updated since last summer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► here's the quote new Mac models were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► expected this month with the new minis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► but for some reason the new Mac pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► failed to appear Apple said nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► because well Apple never says anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► instead relying on dopes like me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► write non stories like this one which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► 100% true you know but hey we all want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► to talk about all right the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► think this is interesting to discuss now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► is I think whether or not this rumor has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► any foundation in fact it could like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► the reasoning makes some vague kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► sense and not the kind of sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► like the ex Mac makes where I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► about that in past shows where everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► wants the Mac that fulfills exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► it doesn't include anything they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► want to buy includes only things they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► want to buy and it's super cheap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► interested in making that for geeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► anyway because they would rather have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► geek spend more for a Mac Pro if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► want the extra stuff I think it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► reviewing why it is that I like a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Pro cuz I'm a Mac Pro guy I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► had Mac pros Power Mac g5 s the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► towers I've always been that type of guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► and the reasons are pretty simple for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► personally it's one I want a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► graphics card so I can play games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► Apple has always put crappy or not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► laptops and even in the iMac they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► been getting much better over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► the current best iMac graphics card is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► actually not embarrassing but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► still get higher-end graphics card for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► the Mac Pro big full-length things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► their own fans on them sometimes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► take up two slots that big honkin gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► Monster Cards you can only get in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► tower Macs and I like to play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► that's why I want that yeah I have a so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► I bought the Mac Pro it's the latest one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► that came out last summer and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► got it I think you know like I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► just a couple weeks after it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► and and you know I agree that now I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► always hesitant to buy the the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► because it is it's big physically so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► takes up a lot of space and it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► generate some heat as well and but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► advantage to me and I think maybe a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► of people are maybe when they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► about the Mac Pro and what Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► going to do might be missing some use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► cases for it because maybe they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► use Mac Pro's attorny Mac Pro's but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► me it was all about expansion especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► you know hard drive so the there's four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► bays in the Mac Pro and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► that's a big deal if you're dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► a lot of data something like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► what Dan does with five by five with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► lot of recording of video and audio or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► you know I do Final Cut stuff and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► interested to see what what Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► but to me sometimes these rumors kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► miss out on actual you know why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► use the devices yeah that was those my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► second point is that in addition to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► graphics card cheap internal storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► mechanisms are so much cheaper than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► buying an external drive is not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► it's really hard I've recently been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► trying to find an external hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► because I'm trying to find another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► external hard drive to back up my wife's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► laptop too and I did I asked on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► external hard drive they can suggest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► the end result of about a week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► research was that I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► better options than I previously had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► the problems with with external hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► drives are generally the big one is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► tend to have cruddy power supplies like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► they have some sort of power brick or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► sometimes they have it a small internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► power supply but the quality of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► components is really really low and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► failures of these external hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► in the least of my family's experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► my extended family's experience it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► stupid power supply whether it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► internal circuitry that's the older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► power supply or the external one they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► bad they're made but the lowest bidder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► in some Asian country they are not high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► quality products and having them break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► and you know that can cause you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► know that your that your disc isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► responding and you're terrified for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► data or maybe if the thing dived in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► middle of doing a right you're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► corrupting some part of the disc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► Pennywise pound-foolish decision to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► with cheap power supplies but everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► does because it's cut through a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► and the cases themselves tend to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► cheap construction because again every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► penny counts so even if they look fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► and they're made of aluminum or they try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► to look like apples design it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► same as apples design if you compare any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► of these cases even the super expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► hardware like a MacBook Air or even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► Mac Pro case or anything like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► can see the difference in quality it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► thinner metal it's not as well machined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► it's certainly not laser carved like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► little microscopic holes that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► on the their laptops and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► and the cheap cases the insides are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► cheap too is just metal on metal that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► that makes it so that when you bolt your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► hard drive into there the vibration from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► the hard drive transfers through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► case one case I have which some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► actually recommended and I had bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► was a other world computing thing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► looks reasonably decent but when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► stick a hard drive in it and put it on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► flat surface the thing doesn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► feet or any rubber insulation anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► inside it so it vibrates and makes noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► and that noise transfers through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► case to the surface you're on so then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► kind of like buzzes or hums kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► when a cellphone is on a hard table and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► it starts doing the vibrate ring it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► that constantly and not as loud as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► but a similar type noise and if you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► I'm Louis looking for is to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► separate enclosure because then I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► pick my hard drive because it's third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► party cell external hard drives with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► mechanism already in it but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► get to pick what kind of hard drive is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► they just say you know one terabyte hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► drive and the geek in me wants to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► great which one terabyte all right I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► charging me $200 for an external one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► terabyte hard drive but I can buy a one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► terabyte hard drive mechanism for 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► bucks and I can pick the exact mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► I want and be sure that it's well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► reviewed it's the best one out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► has good reliability a lot of stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► don't want your mystery meat hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► inside your crappy case attached to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► crappy power supply for triple the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► or double the price or whatever of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► course the problem with enclosures is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► that at this point an enclosure that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► not the very bottom of the barrel it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► starting to be the same price as the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► terabyte hard drive it's like 50 60 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► bucks or more for the quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► fancier cases for just the case just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► with your cruddy power supply your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► hopefully nice oxford chipset for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► firewire or USB interface or ever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► have in there serial ata on the inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► something that store zero bytes of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1498">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► and then you have to buy your $80 or $90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► or more hard drive and stick it in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► and that starts pushing up against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► price of an external 1 terabyte hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► drive that you could buy for two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► and something or 179 or whatever it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► to be much more economical to buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► cases when hard drives cost more you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► buy one case and the theory was every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► time the bigger hard drive come out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► take the old hard drive mechanism and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► put the new one in there but that hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► worked out for me that well in practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► because parallel ata gave way to serial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► ata and now there are some things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► need serial ata to to be fast enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► of course firewire is giving away the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► Thunderbolt and all this stuff so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► whole situation the external hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► situation is just a big mess and it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► much nicer to have for internal slots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► and not to deal with that and just go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► storage recom find what the best desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► hard drive is with your power noise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► heat specs or whatever you're interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► in and performance numbers by exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► the mechanisms you want get the bare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► mechanism from the cheapest place you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► can find get it from new way get it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► Amazon get anywhere you want and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► slap it in there no cables though power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► connectors no nothing just sticks right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► in the macro and that's the way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► yep and an Apple the weird thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► Apple sells third-party external hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► drives in its Apple stores or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► did the last time I was in there which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► seems weird to me because generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► printers are gone now or the printers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► gone from Apple stars I haven't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► remember the last time I was there I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► actually going to the to the Apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► this afternoon but I don't remember but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► they definitely do still sell hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► drives in fact they've they've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► had the like a whole display unit with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► with all these external hard drives yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► well like for printers there used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► way more printers I'm knowing an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► hard-drives it's like well we have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► gorgeous computers and all this nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► hardware and yeah we have an accessory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► I'll for cases and all sorts of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► little things but it's not like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► you know it's kind of like they're they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► want you to buy a nice beautiful MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► Air and then attach it to this ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► third-party external hard drive for 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► and something bucks it just seems weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► to me that they would have then it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► Apple doesn't make their own external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► hard drives they used to way back in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► day but they don't make their own but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► they feel like people need them enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► for a time machine and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► that they sell them in their store they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► do some time capsule which is all Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► sleek and everything and you do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► backups to it and stuff like that so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► think Apple would prefer that you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► that but if you really want to buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► ugly box with this cruddy external power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► supply that doesn't really match in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► the case in the heart or doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► match any of our hardware and attach it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► to your Mac then you know go nuts don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► bother us when it breaks because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► not our product and we don't warranty it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► so that's that's why I buy a Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► node there are many other reasons other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► people buy Mac Pro's because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► actually fill all the card slots not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► with fancy video cards but with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► kinds of cards raid cards or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► fiber channel cards or God knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► else people are putting is out there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► video production and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► multiple disease is another reason as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► well yeah you can put you know three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► video guards in there and each one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► supports two displays you can have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► blind you know there are reasons to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► a Mac Pro beyond the few that I happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► to get I'm a rarity I'm not I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► think I'm the main consumer for a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► Pro but basically for any gamer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► wants to buy a Mac you know they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► going to use it as a PC rather it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► going to boot into Windows if you want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► good video card you have to buy this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► hunking tower that maybe you only ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► fills hard drive slots or actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► have the Mac Pro step two optical bays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► obstacles are going the way of the dodo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► but I have both my obstacle base ville [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► just because it was so cheap I said oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► no why not why not have two in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► maybe burn two optical discs at once or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► have two disks in the drive or if games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► that require that just to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► drive back in the day but yeah those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► optical drives are going away so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► another reason that the Mac Pro doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► you know you could take out those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► optical drives and put two more hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► drives there are three more hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► there or you can make the case smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► or whatever so this rumor about the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► Pro going away if you let's just assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► that there is some actual basis in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► is doubtful that that's true but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► were to assume that there is some crews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► behind you could say well maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► just making the Mac Pro smaller because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► if you ditch one or more the optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► drives and you and use maybe a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► bit lower power CPUs or fewer CPUs or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► maybe just have a single slot model and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► no more dual CPU model you could shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► that case substantially while still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► allowing a video card and maybe two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► three you know it would be bigger it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► would be manually upgradable like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► Mac Pro be bigger than a Mac Mini but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► wouldn't have a built-in monitor like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► iMac and that's kind of encroaching on X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► Mac territory but only encroaches the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► next Mac territory to make it cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► what if they kept the price is the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► or even made it more expensive and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► made the case smaller then it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► maybe they didn't call it a Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► anymore who knows what they would call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► it or maybe they do call it a Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► all people are confused because the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1780">TS</a>]
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00:31:00 ◼ ► Pros have a lot of a lot of empty space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► you know I'm assuming that's for proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► air flow so that these things can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► well it's only empty if you don't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► stuff there like you know what this beds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► there well not even the hard drives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► I don't have it open right now but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► mean I guess everything is is there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► room to collapse it down and and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► know how much room there is though if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► you leave everything in there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► mine is pretty well stuffed I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► dual CPUs I've got the four hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► I've got one card slot filled so if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► fill the other two card slots the card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► Bay is pretty much filled okay there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► not much room in there around the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► for the CPU cooling used to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► filled than it was when it was like g5s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► because the g5s needed more cooling now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► the heat sinks are more of a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► size but they've mostly filled that spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► with making the fans a little bit bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► you know I guess maybe you could shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► it depth wise by several inches to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► remove the air gap between the front fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► and before you hit the heatsink the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► optical drive seemed like a clear win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► because they're they're filling their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► spots up there and now but who needs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► optical drives ditch those right or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► have one optical drive or have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► optical drives and sell an external or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► something you could save a lot of space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► there so I think people who pack their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► Mac Pro's to the gills the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► cubic inches that could be reclaimed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► rearranging internal components is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► significant enough to make the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► smaller but it's not like the just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► there's nothing going on in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► yeah but especially with the slots you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► have to accommodate a full length PCI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► Express card even if you're never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► to put a full length one in there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► accommodating half length would kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► negate the purpose of the Mac Pro right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► now all right so the Mac Pro the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► is old right I think I think cringe Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► makes this this this argument as well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► that I think he says it's eight years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► old is I think it sounds about right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► right the external design even that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► not strictly true because the external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► design they've changed where the holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► are for all the ports but the cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► grater the cheese grater design though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► is yeah yeah the overall shape of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► case has been the same like if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► to look for in profile I think it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► identical but they have changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► where the ports are on which ports are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► in the front and where the ports are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► the back and where the grills are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/1994">TS</a>]
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00:33:39 ◼ ► like that redesigning that inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2019">TS</a>]
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00:33:47 ◼ ► case to the insides of a current Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► the insides have no parts in common and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► don't match up almost in any possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► way except that I guess the optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► drives are near the top front and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► CPUs are in the bottom they move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► power supply they move the hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► around since the Mac Pro they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► everything has moved inside there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► it's not like they're saving tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► money I guess they're saving money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► the machining for the external case but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► they're not like saving tons of money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► engineering effort because rearranging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► that inside is a pain in the butt right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► maybe it's their time maybe it's time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► it's been so long maybe it's time just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► for a different a different case yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► well the reason you change the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► is well if you're going to change it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► terms of you know ditching the opticals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► and all the kind of a MacBook arif [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► occation of the Mac Pro where when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► went with the MacBook Air which everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► just assumes which I believe to when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► next 15-inch comes along at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► in the future the 15-inch will look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► the air they're going to ditch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► optical drive all of them will look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► airs get rid of stuff that's in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► that you don't need anymore in a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► it was mostly the optical drive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► accommodate that so an application of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► that philosophy to the Mac Pro seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► overdue if only because the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► line is going through that change like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► the Mac Mini went through it it got rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► of its optical drive and change its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► shape the laptops are going through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► thing and and for fashion just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► now the Mac Pro doesn't get the fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► treatment even though iMac to--some much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► these days like the new IMAX I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► last change it is when the screen when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► edge-to-edge the glass of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► goes all the way to the edge of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► machine and the old ones it didn't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► over to the edge but mostly they look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► the same but but yeah eventually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► would think they have to change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► outside if only to keep the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► looking fresh every decade or so so so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► think there's something behind that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► the article goes on to get to the meat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► the matter which is his crazy theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► that they're going to ditch the back Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► and replace it with a bunch of Mac minis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► that you could stack and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► somehow connect together to become more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► powerful with like Voltron I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not going to discuss this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► particular that doesn't seem like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► Apple way yeah that's that's pipe dreamy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► somewhat valid point your point that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► not the Apple way is that Apple Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► doesn't like cables and external boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► which again makes me think it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► they sell third-party external hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► drives and they want you to connect them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► to their beautiful laptops but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► connected with cables they want it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► in one thing with the few cables as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► possible coming out of it so the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► that Apple would say ditch this Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► replace it with a bunch of these boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► that you connect together doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► that reasonable now Thunderbolt comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► here because Thunderbolt is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► PCI Express over a wire outside your box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► so you could in theory have for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► an external video card I think someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► is actually manufacturing one of these I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► couldn't find the link but I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► someone has announced that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► making an external video card where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► you know it's like a video card they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► from ATR and video or something stick it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► in a box give it some kind of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► supply and have a Thunderbolt connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► hanging out of it and connect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► Thunderbolt connected to any Mac with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► Thunderbolt port and with some software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► drivers have the Mac use that video card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► as if it's it's video card because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► video cards are currently connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► Thunderbolt is like external PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► so as far as the Mac is concerned this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► video card looks like it's connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► a PCI Express slot or that's the that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► the theory of the entire thing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► that that has the bandwidth that has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► latency it is basically PCI Express you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► can have a video card outside your box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► so hey if you get your iMac and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► can't play the latest game because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► video card is a little bit too wimpy by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► big hunking terror box 2000 with fans in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► it and the power supply that has a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► scary video card to connect it with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► Thunderbolt port and now you are able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► gain better and you can upgrade that box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► again I think this is not likely at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► maybe from the third party third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► will make it but Apple and apples never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► going to sell you a video card in a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► that seems very very unlikely to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► they want you to hang this thing off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► back of your computer even with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► Thunderbolt cable seems very unlikely I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► could finally I can't wait to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's not I don't even know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► they'd photograph out there you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► noticed by the way when Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► photograph its max if a cable appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► and it's Mac photograph it is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► the the Platonic ideal of a cable it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► perfectly arcs from the device that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► connected to sort of either disappearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► behind the other device or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► there's never any pretense the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► actually connects from the to a port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► somewhere on the computer and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► cables are it's almost like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► they're drawn in after the fact because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► when you get an actual cable they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► wrapped up in the box and a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► bundle and their SWAT type of the twisty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► tie when you UNCHR impe them they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► all the kinks in them you know and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► kinks never quite go out unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► stretch them an actual cable does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► look like what Apple photographs really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► Apple doesn't want there to be cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► which is why they have always Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► accessories now and they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► wires on their mice and all the stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► yeah I can't imagine them trying to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► an external box but finally at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► of this article cringe Lee gets closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► discusses not putting the video card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► inside an external box but sticking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► inside the display which it means six of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► one half dozen the other right well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► an external box and it's connected baha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► but the monitor was already connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► with a Thunderbolt port mini DisplayPort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► same connector type thing and Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► already shown a willingness to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► computing stuff inside of the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► the new 30-inch displays have Ethernet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► ports firewire ports what else is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► there USB and all that stuff and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► connect the Thunderbolt cable from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► new fancy Thunderbolt equipped a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► laptop to the monitor and now your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► laptop thinks it has an Ethernet port it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► has a firewire board it has all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► ports that it didn't have before so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► can act your macbook air to your 30 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► display suddenly your MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► becomes a much more full-featured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► desktop / laptop hybrid computer and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► circuitry inside the monitor to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► so putting a video card inside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► monitor is still I think kind of on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► Apple like mostly because Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► really care about gamers and doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► care about video cards period but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► more within the realm of possibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► because it's not another box it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► the monitor that you already have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► apple and you don't need another cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► because monitor is you're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► connected with a Thunderbolt cable or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► mean you know it's the same thing as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► mini DisplayPort cable so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► an additional cable there and Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► shown that they are willing to enhance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► the power of their laptops by sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► electronics inside their monitor and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► lets Apple raise the prices of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► monitors blah blah blah of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► downside any geek will say well great if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► I do that but now i monetize it lost my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► video card and Apple doesn't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► that the same thing with the iMac well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► one my monitor does I lost my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► computer if I buy not back yes that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► 100% true it's also true of laptops you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► could get it repaired to great expense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► but really realistically if the monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► dies on your iMac after a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► you're just going to get a new computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► Apple doesn't really care about bundling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► together those two devices you just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► to deal with it so I I think it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► it's less likely you know it's less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► 50 percent likely that this could ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► happen but it's still within the realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► of possibility that Apple could one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► decide to put a video especially for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► laptops they could put you know only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► Intel integrated graphics inside their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► laptops like in a year or two years or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► two generations from now when Intel's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► embarrassingly horrible as they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2458">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► today and they have been getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► but you know they're already doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► graphics on there I think on the air is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► only have Intel graphics and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► actually kind of stepped down because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► the Intel graphics are not quite up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► the level that the dedicated GPUs used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► to be but it's clear that Apple wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► only use integrated GPUs for the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► savings and all those other reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► battery life and stuff like that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► would be kind of neat if you could sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► an even more expensive monitor with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► more powerful video card in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► say now when you hook up your MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► Air to this there are new 30-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► display it becomes a reasonable gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► rig where you can actually play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► that you could never play on your air by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► itself because of its cruddy integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► graphics but you can play when you hook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► it up to a monitor and really that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► you want to play it anyway be set as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► now if Apple does do this I don't see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► coming out anytime soon because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► still hasn't even shipped its 30 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► displays and I know this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► actually have one in order those aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► even shipping mine is supposed to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► on September 20 so if this GPU and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► monitor thing ever does come to pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► cringes theory is that it would happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► about the same time as as Apple produces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► a retina a quote-unquote retina display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► for the desktop or a double resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► type of display and that doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► like it's going to happen until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► operating systems has support for it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► that's not going to happen until maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► ten point eight or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► because the double resolution stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► exists in line but it's a developer only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► feature you need developer tools turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► it's not an end-user feature and half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► the apps break when you do it and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► and so forth so I like this I like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► story there's something for everybody it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► has big rumors of the Mac Pro going away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► it's got crazy theories about clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► together a bunch of Mac minis and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► got a somewhat plausible idea of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► a GPU inside a monitor so I put the link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► in the show notes I recommend people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► take a look at it and I'll I'm ready for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► something to happen to the Mac Pro even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► as a Mac Pro buyer I'm ready to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► shaken up a little bit to change the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► Pro do do your worst how you know I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► my computer is about three years old now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► something like that I'll probably buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► new Mac next year the year after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► the latest I'm willing to entertain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► options other than the existing ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► let's take a minute and talk about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2591">TS</a>]
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00:43:33 ◼ ► record ensures that your idea will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► transformed into a functional well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► tested and visually stunning world-class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► app and in no time so if you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► idea for an app and you want to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► idea come to life well hey source bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2625">TS</a>]
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00:43:53 ◼ ► time and money by getting it done right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► the first time to learn more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► source bits to learn how you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► your iPhone or Android app idea come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► life you need to check out source bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► dot-com cutting-edge app development and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► we thank source bits for supporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► hypercritical yeah I would if they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► out with a smaller version of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► Pro I would certainly I mean I'm only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► year into this one so it's still a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► I mean sighs it's that's really the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► disadvantage for me is is the size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► weight of this thing so if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► I'm always looking to to minimize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► amount of crap that I have in the office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► here yeah I'm and I'm ready to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► the optical drives and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► um although I I think I've used my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► optical drive my Mac Pro like once in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► year so I've used it much less than then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► I have you know that my usage has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► on the decline rapidly I would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► buy an external one just have one around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► for the few times that I need it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► eventually I'm assuming the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► after that I wouldn't need that anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► either so in the remaining time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► actually do want to talk about the HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► stuff I know it has been talked about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► death on other shows but I want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► my say what's your take what's your take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► on all this it's kind of kind of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► that you waited though because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► it's more things have kind of cropped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► so so you get to take a shot at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► whole thing instead of instead you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► develops right exactly well so I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► with very much everything that Marco and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► then John said on their shows so I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► cover that thing I didn't get to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► to horse show I'm a little bit behind on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► my thing but I assume that I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► what he says - he's a smart guy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► there's one point that I didn't hear at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► least on Marco and John show that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► to talk about and that's how so how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► HP thing feels if you're Microsoft all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► right I think maybe a few people talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► about this a little bit but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► talking about what this means for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► mobile market what Emile's for Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► Google how HP is mishandled they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► they're the cancelling of webOS and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► that business and the future of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► operating system or lack thereof but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► your main business at this point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► still windows in office right and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► model that the thing that has made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► Microsoft successful has amazingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► successful as it was in the 90s is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► they sell the software that runs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► world's PCs and they let the PC maker as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► the hardware makers kill each other in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► this competition too on the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► right there so that commoditizing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► compliments thing where Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► software is useless without hardware to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► bothered with dealing with that nasty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► physical low-margin world of creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► hardware so they let tons and tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► computer hardware manufacturers compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► against each other in every possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► in every possible country every any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► means necessary to sell the most pcs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► what it's resulted in is sort of a race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► to the bottom in terms of margins where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► HP as Gruber pointed out was that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► had the largest market share in the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► market they were selling more pcs than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► anybody but they were making so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► money off each one as like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► we'll make it up in volume well they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► the volume they were the number one PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► seller and they've decided that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► business is not worth being it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► margins are so low that this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► that's not growing like it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► Mobile's Cooley where it's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► be a little bit getting into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► business tube that's all different story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► but that it's not worthwhile being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► world's biggest PC vendor and think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► think about what that means like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► 90s you had so many different vendors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► competing as each other and they slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► consolidated Dell can sort of came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► of nowhere with an even better business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► model to undercut everyone else's prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► with direct sales and no retail channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► and all those stuff and build to order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► and selling to businesses and compact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► couldn't make a run of it independently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► and they got merged into HP and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► remember who picked up Gateway maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► consolidation happen as these vendors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► couldn't make a go of it anymore because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► their margins were so low or someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► else had slightly lower margins and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► couldn't compete with them and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► sales went down and they merged emerged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► in emerging emerge until we basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► had at this point maybe three or four PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► vendors you get HP Dell Acer Lenovo who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► am I forgetting who's an actual player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► in the PC hardware market these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► maybe Sony I don't like Sony's hell's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► too few no but HP was the big dog and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► I looked up numbers for what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► 2010 for the entire year of 2010 HP sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► 64 million computers Dell was 43 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► Acer was 41 million right and HP has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► said it's not worth it for us to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► so sorry guys were out so my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► question is who gets those 64 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► sales in 2011 right the PC business is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► not growing like the mobile business but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► it's not I don't think it's shrinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► yet maybe it's flat or maybe as tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► increase or whatever but who gets those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► 64 million because HP is like ah we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► not interested it's just not worth it us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► we we don't make enough money off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► or we don't think the future of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► business we want out is that 64 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► computers get evenly distributed among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► Dell and Acer and Lenovo and friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► where does that go and the second line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► getting back to Microsoft is Microsoft's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► whole strategy was to make other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► deal with the crappy low margin business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► but now those chickens seem like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► coming home to roost where they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Microsoft we did this for so long you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► made massive margins because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► sell software and you can duplicate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► basically for free it and we're not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► interested in being getting carrying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► water for you anymore we don't we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► it's not worth it for us to be in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► business selling these crappy boxes at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► low margins because they're all crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► because to compete in this business and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► survive you have to you know get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► lowest bidders and the crappiest parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► that customers can possibly stand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► push them out the door right and the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► because you can't differentiate based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► hardware and you can't differentiate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► based on a hardware software experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► because Microsoft has become even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► strict with don't crap up our computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► with a bunch of custom interfaces you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► supposed to just run Windows 7 sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► the way it is don't make a custom I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► Compaq and also the company used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► their own custom interfaces when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► boot the computer would say Compaq and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► it would show all this weird crap they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► were trying to differentiate themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► trying to earn that money but they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► customers often people just wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► clean windows install so the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► for Microsoft is eventually will there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► be nobody left who wants to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► flagship who wants to provide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► hardware for your software now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► hyperbolic because disk obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► they're selling Dell and Acer selling 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► million computers a year between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► and those HP computers are going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► somewhere so it's not like the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► markets can disappear but but Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► wants is kind of like what Intel want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► they want a partner who will show off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► what they do so Microsoft makes they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► gonna make Windows 8 or whatever they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► going to want hardware partners who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► because it make them look good because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► Microsoft software is useless in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► Bender's hardware's uses in isolation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► the product comes from the mixing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► those two things and the business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► of having those things separated has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► arguably great consumers when pcs were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► competing with each other but now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► the hardware side is so massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► consolidated and so crappy and has raced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► to the bottom and is at the bottom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► the number one seller Rafi sees doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► want to be in that business anymore who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► is not going to go to to show off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► Windows 8 are they gonna show off on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► Dell on an Acer they going to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► boutique maker like Sony to show off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► their thing but you know that integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► experience that Apple has where they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► make the hardware and software is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► sleek awesome product you know here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► the new MacBook Air shipping with lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► it shows everything all together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► look how it makes sense to go fullscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► Thunderbolts and connected to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► monitor with a Thunderbolt cable and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► where is that going to be for Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► and Microsoft is desperate for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► hardware partners they were desperate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► for good hardware partners for their for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► the music players you know the plays for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► sure thing and they basically decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► you guys stink you're not making us look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► you're not selling well against the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► we're going to make our own Zune thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► and by all accounts the Zune is a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► pre-existing place for sure things where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► they had other people making the music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► player hardware and they made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► software and they combined them the Zune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► where Microsoft made the hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► the software was a much better product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► still didn't make a dent in the iPod it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► but it shows that Microsoft can decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► that it's hardware partners are not are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► more trouble than they're worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► Microsoft's efforts so Microsoft got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► this got Windows 8 and they want to ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► it on the tablet right and but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► supposed to be real Windows and Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► 8 is going to ship on my desktop too so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► I'm sure Microsoft is looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► someone to be a tablet partner and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► they'll find someone to be a good tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► partner for them but for the PC this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► Microsoft just say we are resigned to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► the fact that from now on our awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► new Windows 8 Windows 9 Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► Brazilian operating system we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► when we can't show it off because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► only thing we could put it on is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► computer that everybody has which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► some crappy Dell or Acer thing assembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► of parts made by the lowest bidder it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► just ugly low quality not differentiated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► they're just not gonna you know is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► not going to be a factor anymore though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► opps and it's not important but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► it is what it is go to your store go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► your best buy and buy whatever crap they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► have they're like maybe that ship has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► depressing from me from Microsoft's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► perspective to see the other half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► your business no longer being viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► right they have the salad years where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► they were reaping all the profit and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► other guys we're also making money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► because of the grow huge growth of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► PC industry but they just had lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► margins and now it's kind of flattening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► out and everyone else is a bending ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► on the other side so I have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► from Microsoft's perspective this HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► exit independent of all of the webOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► mobile business or whatever has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► disturbing to them somebody gave up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► their big market I think I think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► other thing one other point of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► that the doomsday scenario for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► Microsoft is not that nobody wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► make pcs it's that almost nobody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► to make two pcs because imagine that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► know HP gets out and its sales go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► Dell and Acer but they mostly go to Dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► eventually Acer gets out because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► just like well Dell has is now that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► know imagine 60 million of these 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► million go to Dell not Dell is much too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► big and Acer can't make margins because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► it doesn't have the volume contracts at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► Delos until again the Lenovo is just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► laptops now imagine you end up with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► very few people massively dominating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► PC hardware market what happens then is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► the shoe starts to be on the other foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► because Microsoft used to be able to pit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► the hardware makers against each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► but if there's so much consolidation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► that everybody bails out that there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► few left suddenly Dell with selling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► know 90% of the PCs sold in a year come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► from Dell or 80% of our suddenly Dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► has massive bargaining power against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► Windows for Windows license pricing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► Microsoft does not want they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► hate they want you know just enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► diversity and hardware so they compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► against each other and give customers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► good experience but not so much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► everyone makes them under crap boxes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► not so little that now Microsoft is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► a barrel on licensing fees and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► suddenly their massive profits for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► Windows and Office start going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► because they don't have a strong a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► bargaining position because Dells going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► to say look I guess they'd be both being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► the same both deal was Dell going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► we're not going to ship when those in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► our computers that never sell a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► they're they're going to go with Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► No maybe there maybe they're in the boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► together on the side or no I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► thinking that from Microsoft perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► is HP thing looks like looks just bad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► think to go back yeah I agree to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► to what you're asking about you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► are they who would they partner with to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► really show off you know Windows 8 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► whatever and and I don't think the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► know if I just think about in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► perceived quality of products I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► think it would be Dell Rhea's it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► like Lenovo would be the place that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► historically back you know back to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► they before they before IBM laptops and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► stuff came over that you know they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► out some quality products and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► like that would be a good partner for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► showcasing Windows 8 and but I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► with you that this is a that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► longer-term problem and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► probably maybe what kind of came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► all the conversations I've had in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► last week with people about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► over the different podcasts about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► which is not about you know what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► means now you know whether it's mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► or or you know that with touchpad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► anything like that it's you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► was the impact going to be on this in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► years because you know the decline is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► already here we are already seeing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► decline from from desktop PCs and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► what but you know how does Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► sort of fix this because this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► like you said this the ship has already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► sailed we're already seeing this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► but where do they where do they go from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► here to to I guess to make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► transition as possible because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► no doubt I mean you do disagree that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► or do you agree that that Windows as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► is today is obviously going to is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► to go away at some point just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► know we see Mac OS 10 become more iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► like it seems like we're we're heading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► that way and Windows is seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► they're they're still caught up in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► in that old way of doing things well see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► the thing about desktop laptop PCs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► Lenovo and stuff like that is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► window side of the world it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► it's not like PCs are going away the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► window side of the world is looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► Apple does so Lenovo makes you know then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► I think pads and stuff make good laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► you know usually better than Dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► laptops and stuff like that but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► not the lowest possible price they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► competing with Dell when they're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► to businesses and stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► either one of those put next to a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► MacBook Air or something even a naive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► consumer can tell one of these things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► not like the other like they they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► the hardware does not hold up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► Apple's hardware I you know I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► to keep thinking back to is what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► does Microsoft do about this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► don't think the PC will quote unquote go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► away because the thing is the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► that the PC is in a lot of those Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► just doesn't want Apple does is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► interested in selling to businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► because businesses are pain in the butt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► they have all these demands they want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► roadmap they want all these features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► if you don't give it to them they'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► to someone else so I think they'll until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► or unless Apple ever becomes interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► in selling to businesses there will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► humongous market for selling PCs but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► don't think Microsoft will be happy just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► selling the business like imagine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► everybody had Apple hardware at home and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► PCs at work Microsoft does not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► scenario Microsoft wants a Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► computer on every single person's desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► at home at work everywhere running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► Windows just that's their mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► statement right they will not be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► situation but Apple certainly doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► want those customers like we literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► don't want them they say we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► interested we don't we're not interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► in pitching your fortune 500 company put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► a Mac on everybody's desk if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► make a mac in everybody yes we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► gladly sell out to you but if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► demands that you want to make of us then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► make our products worse for consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► not interested sorry take it or leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► we sell what we sell we'll do what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► can to help you we'll put an exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► support well you know put remote wipe on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► all our iOS devices like we'll go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► some lengths to help you with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► enterprise needs but we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► do what Dell does for you we are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► going to do what Microsoft does for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► if that's what you want and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► stick with them so I think because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► is not interested in that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► going to the market will not go away but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► that market keeps Microsoft PCs in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► keeps them crappy basically because to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► serve that market you have to sacrifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► keep things the same you have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► legacy ports longer you have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► backwards-compatibility longer you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► to be cheap cheap cheap because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► going to buy a million of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► they want the lowest possible price so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► wonder if Microsoft will ever sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► pull a Zune in the PC business and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► all right all our PC vendors are veiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► the ones who aren't bailing or selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► to businesses and Microsoft truthfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► probably doesn't want that hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► business because that's kind of a slog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► we do want that software business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► selling all this exchange licenses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► Microsoft was going to make a line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► home computers sort of like the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► made their own line a music player sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► of like the way they make the Xbox where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► they make the hardware they make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► software and they are going to compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► with Apple in for the hearts and minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► of the consumers by making it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► better than Apple's computers cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► than Apple's computers but also higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► quality than Dells higher quality than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► Lenovo is because they have integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► with the software because they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► release a finished product they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► release finally a thunderbolt equipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► laptop at the same time Apple does with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► their own monitor that it connects to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► with the special Windows 8 that knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► how to you know so yeah I wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► Microsoft will ever dip its toe into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► actual PC hardware this that's also an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► eternal rumor years and years decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► and decades hey what if Microsoft made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► PC oh they would never do that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► competing with their own vendors they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► did it with the Zune they did it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► day one with the Xbox but they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► competing with anybody they just made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► you know an Xbox has done pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► Zune was not a success in the market but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► I believe Microsoft would say it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► success as a product the product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► they produced with the Zune was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► better than the products produced by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► place for Shore licensing strategy so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► start - I start to wonder now put it put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► on your calendar for 10 years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► revisit this topic is Microsoft making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► PC hardware or tablets or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► that all right so this is for when Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► has to take time off to go to his son's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► highschool graduation we will talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► this again that's right we'll revisit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► this topic so here we talk 10 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► is Microsoft making tablet hardware or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► any hardware or selling window running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► Windows yet that's right that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► and we'll be recording all of this onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► our I'll graphic cubes are - chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► then I'll graphic cubes and telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► future okay well that's a lot to chew on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► I think did you have anything else on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► your list or I have so much more but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► don't don't have time I actually wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► to talk about I should want one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► thing I want to talk about Amazon okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► briefly you talked a lot about Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► and what they're going to do with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► tablet that everyone the worst kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► secret in the industry their tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► strategy but that's going to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► again I was thinking of what the HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► stuff is like from the perspective of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► company that's not directly involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► what does the HP thing look like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► you're Amazon or not the month at the HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► thing that Google Motorola thing mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► I guess I could look at the HP thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► open up Google Motorola thing if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► Amazon in one respect it's like well so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► it doesn't affect us like we are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► our Android tablet but we're not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► Google's Android we're just using it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► same way that Barnes and Nobles in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► Nook where we find will take your source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► code you'll keep the value but we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► using any of your stuff people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► to even know that's running Android it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► our own interface hi and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► you do with your tablet or I or phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► strategy is none of our business but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► the other hand if you see the place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► you're pulling your OS from start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► change where they're making their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► hardware product you have to wonder so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► what does this mean for future licensing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► of these operating system because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► if we're going to launch a line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► computers that rely on like the half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► the product basically the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► underlying software of the product not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► not the part that the user sees but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► operating system itself we don't control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► we don't own and it comes from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► other party and the advantage we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► getting is we don't have to develop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► developed it for us they continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► develop but we'll just take it from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► take the the underlying operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► interface on top of the next revision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► the product we'll go back and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► are those Android guys done since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► at the updated version of the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► restful and we'll take that updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► version apply our tweaks to it put our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► new software on top of it we're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► what if one day Google doesn't give away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► the Droid anymore like they say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► well anyone who's got an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► Android you can keep using that forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► and ever but in fact our new product is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► going to use some other droid thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► it's not going to be licensed under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► same license or the licensing terms are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► we're going to make a new codebase I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► maybe this isn't possible because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► GPL but I can never really take away any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► of the same code but maybe you don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► the updates as fast maybe the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► source releases are not timely and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► you start competing with them they ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► their products based on the new Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► core before they do the open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► release and then when they do the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► source release that's when you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► start working on your product so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► behind I have to think that Amazon is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► looking a little bit warily at Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► moves is there not it's not like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► HTC or some phone vendor who should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► really be scared because not like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► these guys have their own they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► directly competing with us you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► they're not directly competing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► Amazon in the same way but Amazon should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► be a little bit concerned especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► since this is the product that hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► launched yet this was like we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► to make an Amazon tablet and it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► to be X Y & Z we're gonna use Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► because that's what everybody's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► and then just as you're presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► putting the finishing touches on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► product google buys Motorola and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► start rethinking your entire strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► and at the same time HP bails on webOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► now what I would be thinking about if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► was at Amazon is before we pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► trigger on trigger on this tablet thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► do we want to buy webOS and be masters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► of our own destiny ditch the ditch our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► existing product still chipping at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► Amazon tablet but remake them is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► tablet on top of webOS instead of on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► of Android and we will own webOS because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► a lot from HP for a song it will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► masters of our own destiny we'll be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► to do what Apple does and coordinate our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► hardware and software and yeah we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► have to hire a bunch more people because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► all those people that we didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► hire because we used Android now we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► have to hire somewhere less people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► because we're going to own our own OS we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► bought it at a fire sale we have our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► OS and it's actually pretty good OS you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► know and it's got a nice interfacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► maybe we can actually use that interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► and just make a custom Kindle Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► book store app thing on top of it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► do launchers into it right I think since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► they haven't shipped anything since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► they're not like they don't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► installed base they're not screwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► anybody they'll have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► compatibility now would be the time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► at least have the meeting and say so do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► we keep going with his Android thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► do we take a six-month hit and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► not so much start over but rejigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/3986">TS</a>]
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01:07:03 ◼ ► have like Android Marketplace or their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4023">TS</a>]
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01:07:08 ◼ ► didn't they already do the the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4028">TS</a>]
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01:07:12 ◼ ► what are those if you buy them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► don't run an Amazon devices though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► because there is no Amazon device fund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► to run on like they don't run on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► Kindle right so they could let that die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► on the vine and say you know well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► have this amazon app marketplace but our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► device is the Kindle color and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► buy Kindle apps forward and like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4049">TS</a>]
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01:07:32 ◼ ► they are now to transitioning into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► colorful tablet through which you give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4055">TS</a>]
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01:07:40 ◼ ► long-term transition to an actual tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4060">TS</a>]
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01:07:46 ◼ ► these things out there they say oh by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4066">TS</a>]
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01:07:50 ◼ ► millions of Kindle colors or ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4070">TS</a>]
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01:07:54 ◼ ► version of it or maybe the version you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4074">TS</a>]
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01:07:56 ◼ ► actually a full-fledged tablet platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► you can actually run apps on and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4078">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► an app store now you can start buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4079">TS</a>]
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01:08:05 ◼ ► in the cards short term but certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► the long term prospects of competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4087">TS</a>]
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01:08:11 ◼ ► better if your operating system is webOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► historically has not been able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► compete with Apple on fit and finish and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► user interface whereas webOS has come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► the closest to doing that despite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► being slow despite it being buggy so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► and so forth I said many shows ago we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► were discussing with Dan what we thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► the prospects of webOS and HP why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► set of HP gives it chance you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► they're willing to go into the long haul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► they're a big company if they put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► money in time behind it they can give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► webOS the opportunity that it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► have when it was independent in pom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► you know we see how that turned out give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► it a chance forget it they killed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4123">TS</a>]
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01:08:47 ◼ ► what they want to do for their business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4127">TS</a>]
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01:08:55 ◼ ► has a chance I think it's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► theory to with with Amazon that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4138">TS</a>]
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01:09:06 ◼ ► okay so I bought the second-generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► one I mean and you know the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► anything it works you read books on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► so they don't really have any major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► accomplishments in terms of of creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► you know the some sort of software for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► tablet type device so it seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► seems like a good theory that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► buy the the webOS and and use that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► the one thing that Amazon has different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► and I think I mentioned this or somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► mentioned some of the other shows as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► well that that HP didn't have and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► all these other tablet makers don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► that Apple does have that where they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► compete is the the e-commerce platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► and the the user accounts and the credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► cards and the existing customer base to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► come in and actually compete to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► that's when the reasons I love Amazon is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► because in the reasons I like my Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► and why I use the Kindle app even on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► iPad and on my iPhone as opposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► iBooks is because everything is already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► there and you know they have my account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► comfortable place to purchase purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► books and if they had a for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► people if they aren't maybe Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► product users if they had a and I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► this is probably why they're doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Amazon App Store for Android is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► know if your comfort level is already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► they're buying stuff from Amazon then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► seems like a good bet that people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► at least try out this you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► type of tablet device that Amazon can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► come up with if it's webOS I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► that's great because I agree with you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► mean webOS is is nice and and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► be great to see some other some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► people competing in that space to kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► of keep keep everybody a little honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► and in a in a week or month apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► that's been filled with extremely bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► moves agree with them or not agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► them these are big plays motorola buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► Google or Google by Motorola is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► this is the time to be doing big moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► and the best time if Amazon is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► make the decision the best time to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► is before you ship your thing before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► ship your Android tablet make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► decision now that this is a good Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► Jobs aisle decision where you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► meeting a Steve Jobs if he thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► we're not hesitate to say I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► guys work for two years on this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► but we're not shipping canceled that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► we're going to buy it we're going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► to buy a webOS see if that works out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► if it does we're going to come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► new plan because we think this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► best way forward and it wasn't an option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► before because we couldn't afford webOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► maybe they bid for it against HP I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► thinking long term I say who are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4303">TS</a>]
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01:11:48 ◼ ► entire ecosystem of Android vendors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► which is ever-changing soup of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► which now sudden starts including Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► because they're going to make their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► hard buy through Motorola or the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► company Amazon so Amazon starts looming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► large because you're like well Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► is much bigger I mean Amazon doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► even have a player in this market yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► they've got their Kindle fine but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► not competing with us right well kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► sort of but not really but if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► enter the market as you pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► Amazon knows how to sell things and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► don't know how many Kindles Amazon has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► sold but I bet it's a lot of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► and think of the the Kindle Hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► Amazon sold what I only assume has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► millions of some of the worst Hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► products ever made by man the Kindles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► are not good hardware products not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► promote like this is not Amazon strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► clearly they've buttons all over them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► the stupid keyboards you can't hold the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► edges because the page turned things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► happen they're flimsy they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► you know an Amazon knows like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4364">TS</a>]
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01:12:50 ◼ ► don't and we are not expert hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► makers but what matters to customers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► make it as cheap as possible and can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► read my books on it right can I find my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► books can I buy my books kind of read my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4378">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► books can I use it and they will put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► with crappy hardware horrible interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► having to use a little five-way stick so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► we know of a touchscreen they'll put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► a lot of crap if you can get that price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► low enough and if you can put it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► know put it in the hands of enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► customers Amazon is doing the the anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► Apple strategy here where it's like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► care about selling things we know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► to sell things we have the books we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► the markets we have the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► compare it for example compare iBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► I'm the iBooks bookstore why is that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► doing as well as Amazon selling ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► you know is it because the hardware is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► better no the iPad hardware is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► than the Kindle hardware by all outward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► appearances Apple should be doing much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► better versus Amazon if you just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► the hardware even their software now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► Kindle spans will immediately say oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► the hardware may be crap but it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► difference and Kindle proponents will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► swear up and down there's no way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► compete with the Kindle if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► have any ink screen this is the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► reason we use this device Apple's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► interested in making the ink screen for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► obvious reasons the Refresh doesn't lend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► itself to what Apple wants to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► its tablet platform but is you you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► compete I think that's not even true I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► think that if Amazon came out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Kindle that was as cheap as or cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► than the ink version but had a crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► low quality elsi color LCD on it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► would still sell ballina and the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► diehard Kindle people be like oh crying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► I want my e ink ink was so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► it would be kind of like the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► will cry someday when Apple cancels the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► Mac Pro it's a drop in the bucket AB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► successful not having these things be ve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► Inc because despite what people despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► what the big hardcore Kindle readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► think people will read off LCDs I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► gone through this before and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► articles on ours people will read off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► LCDs people read off crappy LCDs they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► will they will do it oh now I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► e-ink has been a big factor because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► differentiator to get up - I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► remember was pointing suppose maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► Marcos that if you're going to compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► with Apple don't do what Apple is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► by going with eating the big thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► makes it successful is not because ink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► is so awesome that every single customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► can clearly see that it's better than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► color LCD in fact I would imagine if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► put the two things in front of people a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► huge amount of them would pick the color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► LCD just because it's color despite all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► successful because it's not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► iPad it's a different thing so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► don't comparison shop people don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► well I can get an iPad or I can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► Kindle now they're totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► it's differentiated product is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► reading books you want to read books we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► different to you it's not backlit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► looks kind of like paper blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► but the point is it does not look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► the iPad it's not in competition you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► don't you're not comparison shopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► these two things you want to read books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► get a Kindle get a nook now then a color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► with the LCD screen is it everything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► back when the looks were inked right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► this is a book reader and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► tablet oh and by the way our book reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► is like 100 and something bucks it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► differentiation has helped them sell a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► lot of things but now they've got their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► foot in the door and we got the critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► mass there are tons of people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► Kindle readers and if you could sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► them a hundred and fifty dollar color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► LCD Kindle reading thing I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► would sell a ton of them and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► they could slowly transform that into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► platform that competes with Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► terms of money made through it not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► terms of selling to the same customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► but it's like who's making money selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► mobile devices well Amazon's making them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► because they sell these devices that let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► you buy Amazon stuff from anywhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► the world any way you want and consume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► their content they rent you video they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► stream your movies you can buy movies on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► it you can buy books on it everything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► all synced integrated Wireless blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► blah and Amazon makes a ton of money as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► a retailer or that or Apple's thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► where they make a ton of money on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► hardware and little incidentals selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► the software and stuff like that so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► think this this interplay will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► interesting I'm not as interested in who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► can try to compete with the iPad with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► Windows 8 with Android tablet stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► that those guys have shown that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► don't know what they're doing and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► haven't figured out of the compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► Amazon has not played his cards yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► Amazon is is waiting and I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► made a big big strong opening move with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► the Kindle showing we know how to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► things done even though we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► the same skill set as Apple we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► make good hardware we make crappy ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► hardware that's complicated and hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► use right but we find the two we three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► things that are important we make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► purchase experience easy and we know our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► audience we knew that book nerds would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► love this because it doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► backlit screen and that that's how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► got our foot in the door now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► selling them to everybody and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► grandmother has these things people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► don't know what he ink is and I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► heard of it right yep so this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► I'm I'm looking at for the future I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► looking at what om is on do with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► tablet will they decide to go with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► Android thing will they start competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► with Apple now or will they stay in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► you book get over as long as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► possibly can and then like leap out many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► years later have there been any hints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► for for a time line for Amazon tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► like you said it's the biggest you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► known secret out there yeah there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► think Amazon is also doing very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► taking a lesson from Apple and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► let's not talk about it right let's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► they're not even admitting I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► they've even admitted that this is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► a project exist like they are not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► trade shows showing and were thinking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► make Anna stand holding this thing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► and it'll be out in a year and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► gets get like so Amazon has the luxury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► thanks to this wonderful strategy they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► learn from Apple to if they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► can the whole project by Web OS start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► over they could do that now because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► can't say oh well where's my Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► tablet so what what are you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► about Amazon Taba we never announced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► tablet you're just making things up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► have no idea what we're doing internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► so I assume that the Amazon tablet will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► ship in early 2012 uh at the latest q1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► 2012 of the latest if they don't ditch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► their all plant and I assume they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► not ditch their plan despite all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► fantasies about whether the less I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► assume Amazon will not touch it but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► ten-foot pole well they may have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► meeting I hope they do have that meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► but I think the end result of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► meeting is will probably be that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► not going to make that kind of move at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► this point they want to get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► market they want to get going in fact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4738">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► would imagine if I was in the meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► and I was told to argue against buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► webOS I would say look this thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► we're going to ship no one can tell what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► the heck operating system is running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► anyway we're not selling apps on it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► only way for people to buy Amazon stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► worst case let's have this meeting again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► in a year if webOS still hasn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► purchased or even if it has we can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmsHz1A/4756">TS</a>]
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