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00:00:16 ◼ ► by John siracusa and I'm Ryan Ireland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/16">TS</a>]
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00:00:43 ◼ ► comm / 5x5 all right John um let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► ahead and get started with any um you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► know I'm not Dan I'm Ryan and uh but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► but you still have a big list of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► you want to talk about I guess we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/57">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► start out with with some follow-ups from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► last episode that's right I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► if did you listen to last episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/62">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► that John I listened I listen to every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► episode even though even if I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► doing research as an understudy for Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► actually do a show that's nice that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► so last week we talked a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► about BBEdit versus textmate versus VI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► versus Emacs vs. the world and I said a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/81">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► mostly good but one or two things I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/88">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► multi-language support so BBEdit has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► concept of a language for a document so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► it's a global setting in the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► the document says what what language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/99">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► this document it's a very big list you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► can pick from I don't know the full list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/102">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► actually I'll pull it up now and take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► look so it's got it's got anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/105">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► everything from 68k assembler that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► first one that phonetically speaking all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/109">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► the way down to Y amel and about 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► things in between so it's got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/112">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► language support but I was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► text mates ability to have an awareness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/115">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► document so if you're editing an HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/121">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► file for example it would know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► you're in a Java Script block and load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/124">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► the bundles that are relevant to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/127">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► JavaScript stuff and you could do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/128">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► little fancy completion business based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► um and I was saying I would like more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► that from BBEdit because it has support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/135">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► for a huge number of languages but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/139">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► can't arbitrarily mix them together as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► textmate seems to be able to do and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► also mentioned that in the context of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/146">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► ybb ed it might be so fast because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► not constantly trying to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► context everything is in and syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/152">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► highlighted at one of 18 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► supported languages at all times so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► don't know if that has anything to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/157">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► with why text mech textmate reportedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► beachballs when you paste in a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/161">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► amount of text but I was just thrown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/162">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► that out there so after I said that very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► shortly after I said that I was told by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► the people that know that actually I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► not giving BBEdit enough credit for its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► multi-language support and this is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/176">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► so I have a link to a video in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► notes showing BB edits multi-language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► support in the example in the book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► should have thought of since I've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/185">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► it myself is when you make an HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► document and you pick like the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/189">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► and the document is HTML so that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► individual document say this is HTML but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► within an HTML document BBEdit knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► like oh there might be JavaScript in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► the might be CSS in an HTML document so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► the guys that bare-bones actually put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► together a quick little videos like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/206">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► 30-second video showing hey look at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► I'm editing an HTML document and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► I'm in this little style block you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► between the style tags I get completions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/214">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► based on CSS and when I'm inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► JavaScript so it just goes to show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► VBA continues to have more features than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► I remember that it has I mean I I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► know the thing I was trying to get is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► that you still can't arbitrarily mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► them so you can't have a document that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► mixes you know tickle with sequel with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► with Fortran I mean even though beabea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► that supports all those languages but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/239">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► for the ones that really count like HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► BB it has hard coded support for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► different languages in these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/245">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► switched over to BB edit after using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► textmate for I don't know probably like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/252">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► something like that and I can just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/255">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► come to your defense a little bit as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► you know forgetting maybe some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► is that I'm just so new to it now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► that I'm still discovering and I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/270">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► back in like I think the last time I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► used it was like 2003 or 2004 and coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► back to it it's just taken me a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/280">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► time to unpack all these features again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► I mean BBEdit is it's it's so powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► that that that I didn't I don't use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► good chunk of of what it does and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/291">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► can see how some of those things might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/295">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► be overlooked and also things for me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► know where the whole concept of bundles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► in in textmate I'm still trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► figure out how how I can make that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► in BBEdit the way I was using it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► so baby it actually has is the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/307">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► for a long time bb-8 here since I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/310">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► using BBEdit since the beginning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/311">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► features that I tend to miss are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/313">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► ones that they've added and if I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► go and seek them out and like oh I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/317">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► need that I'm happy with the way I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/318">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► and bb-8 I won't know that they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► so completions were added and like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► don't know lead version 89 they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/323">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► around for a while you guys had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► sorts of completion things and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/326">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► been improving but since I don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► them because they didn't exist in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► 1995 when I built up all my habits you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► know I used the HTML tools but I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/334">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► mostly like keyboard shortcuts for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► completion stuff but that exists and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► demo video that I linked to shows in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► addition to multi language awareness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/345">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► shows the completions in action stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► and I bet there that stuff is not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► discoverable you know like if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► know the key sequences to trigger those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► completions maybe you won't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► that they're there and so I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/356">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► stuck in my rut of this is how I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► BBEdit in the the late nineties and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► there's some fancy new feature I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/362">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► completely forget that it exists but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/365">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► you know there's a lot of stuff in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/366">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► right and I think a lot of it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► there's been a lot of people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/369">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► kind of switching I know since BBEdit n [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► came out and it was on the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► I was like I'm going to grab it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► it's it seems like a good time to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► now is that I'm trying to use BBEdit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► like I use textmate and that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► well you can't approximate it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► actually in BPI 10 they added a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/386">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► feature I wish I could remember the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► of this was I should have had it on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/389">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► notes I think they call them packages or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/390">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► something it's very similar to bundles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/391">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► but they didn't use the word bundles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/394">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► ancient stuff that you can put in side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► like self-contained and folder you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► like pass around to somebody's eye here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► here's this cool BB edit package I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/403">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► that has like a bunch of text filters a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► bunch of snippets a bunch of new menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/408">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► commands like you put a bunch of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► that extend BB edit together in a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► thing that you can share I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/414">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► the first step on you know trying to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/415">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► down that bundle type path where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/418">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► if you make them reusable and you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► it so that individuals can package them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► up then you start to have that social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/423">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► effect that textmate have where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/424">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► sharing bundles with each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/425">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► repositories of bundles and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/428">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► that yeah and if they've done that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► the themes as well so it's yeah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► little bit easier now with you can see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► guess they call a scheme and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► wasn't always the case right because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/442">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► think didn't John Gruber didn't you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► his BB colors or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► that he built that allowed you to easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/447">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► import different schemes and to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► yeah like I'll D these features have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► mostly always been there and BBEdit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► infrastructure so that they're easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► share so you don't give someone 20 page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► instructions alright I'm going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/461">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► you this file put in this directory if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/462">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► just pop it in that director or write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► little try to write an Apple script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/465">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► install you know you just want it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► self-contained like a folder full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► well-known location and I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/471">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► sort of laying the groundwork for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/474">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► can imagine several versions from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► once the infrastructure is there for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► self-contained then you can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/481">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► have the application automating it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/482">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► you drag one of these dot BB package I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/483">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► don't remember the extension but dragged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/486">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► one of these folders or zip files or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► something onto the app and it would know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► what it was and say hey it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/491">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► you're trying to install this thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/492">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► want me to install it for you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/493">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► application is putting it so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/496">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► that it's smart for them to be laying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/500">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► that groundwork now and it's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► better with every version great what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► uh any more follow up from last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► yeah so I also talked about launchers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► Quicksilver or launch bar all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► business and I was talking about how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► never got into launch bar despite trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► it several times because it appeared in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► the upper right hand corner and Dan said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/519">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► well you you don't have to have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/520">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► appear in the upper right hand corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/521">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► you can put it in the middle so yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/522">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► I said yeah but the middle top right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► like centered under the middle the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► bar like you could slide it along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/527">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► menu bar and then we just moved on from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/528">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► and then I quickly after the show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/531">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► email saying actually you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/532">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► launched more dead center on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► not just centered under the menu bar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► I said huh maybe you know I haven't used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► launch bar in a while maybe this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/540">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► new feature of a new version I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/541">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► downloaded so I went to the website and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► I downloaded the latest version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/545">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► Applications folder and it said would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► you like to replace the existing version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/550">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► I said yeah you must I've already had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/551">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► old version so I let it replace the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► application and then I launch launch bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► using Quicksilver whatever launch launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/556">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► bar and what did I see when launch bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► launched the launch bar window dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► center on my screen so this means that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► had to previously downloaded whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► version of launch bar enabled this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► feature maybe was three or four who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► knows how long ago it was put launch bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/571">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► in the middle of my screen and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/572">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► completely forgotten that it had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/574">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► ability to do this oh this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► happens when you get old I guess so yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► launch bar can be exactly in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/579">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► of your screen and apparently I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► this because my preferences had launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► bar exactly in the middle of my screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/584">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► but I still never went everywhere from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/585">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► Quicksilver for the other reasons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/587">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► talked about I like the big icons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► like the way it looks I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► read text so and so forth lots of Alfred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► fans out there and as I said in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► previous show Alfred is as close as I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► come to leaving Quicksilver and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► the dark times of Quicksilver when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► didn't look like anyone was actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/601">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► maintaining it and it was getting flaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► I said I gotta find an alternative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► Alfred was the best alternative that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► closest to Quicksilver it had pretty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► icons you could put it where you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/611">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► it was you could trim it down to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► simple I really just wanted it to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/614">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► launcher really really close I would use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► Alfred probably if I didn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► Quicksilver because the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► launch bar does and all those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/622">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► thing and all the other things the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/623">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► Quicksilver does I'm just not interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/624">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► in I just want it to be a launcher I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► believe Alfred also has a million other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► features but as long as I can ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/629">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► them and pare them down and just make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/630">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► a launcher it's pretty nice one yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/631">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► switch to launch bar for the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► I switched I'm trying to switch to BB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► edit which is I was trying to this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/641">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► back when just like you said when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► developer I think went to work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/645">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► Google for a Quicksilver I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► what what happened when he kind of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► stopped working on the project and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► something that was being maintained and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► this is before it was picked up by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/656">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► community but yeah but III do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► the same thing I don't um I don't do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/661">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► with launch bar in terms of scripting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► have a few that I do but I do a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/667">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► especially if it's a file that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► selected in the finder and it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/671">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► Quicksilver too but but I'm definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► minimalist user of launch bar so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► didn't actually know you could have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/680">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► in another screen I've always had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/681">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► come from the top middle I'm so on I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► concerning with know how I got it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► center I'm assuming you just drag it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► there but oh okay that's it see that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/688">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► all right there you go just just just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► command space so it's a so it shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► I just dragged it and let's see if it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/697">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► very cool well thanks for that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► whole show has just been worth it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► and again this side so it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► someone else dragged it to the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► account of my computer I must have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/712">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► and speaking of like you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► opening files from the finder that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► utility that I haven't I haven't checked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► whether it's been ported to line and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/721">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► really hope it can be ported line is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/722">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► default folder to use that I don't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► that's my go-to for like for example a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► file that's selected in the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► opening a file at selection in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► finder it's an extension to and opened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► up the open dialog box it's been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/735">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► since the classic days under various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► names think we just called the fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/739">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► folder now it's default folder capital X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► or 10 or whatever you want to call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/742">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► and the main thing that it did back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► the classic days was it would remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► on a per application basis what folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/749">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► application that was the feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/753">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► might have been built into applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/754">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► but you know sometimes it wasn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► it's just maddening like when you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► dating myself for classic Mac OS web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► development I manage ready I want to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► want to see this folder when I'm opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/765">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► I when I see this folder when I'm saving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► but online I'm in my text edit I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► see this folder when I'm opening but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/770">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► this folder when I'm saving and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► application it has since expanded to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► a much more capable you know it's come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► over to Mac OS tana obviously has got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/781">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► tons and tons of features and one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► favorite ones that I also used in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► classic days and the latter classic days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/786">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► was when you have an open dialog box in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► front of you you can hold the modifier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► key and bring your mouse over we're open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/793">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► windows in the finder would be if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► read underneath all your windows because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/799">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► you got a million apps open and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► underneath all of them in the bottom you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/802">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► have a Finder window open and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► that the document you want to open is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► sitting right in that Finder window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► that's open but that you can't see well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/808">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► you can all down a modify our keystroke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/809">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► highlights the outline of the Finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► window and shows you the name of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► you can click on that ghostly outline of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► the Finder window that's buried beneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/818">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► all your other windows and the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► dialog box switches to that window whew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/821">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► and it has similar features where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► can the old one use that used to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► to like modify click on an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/828">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► file that you can see poking out on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► automatically select that file and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/832">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► you know you can pick you can pick from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/835">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► recent folders that you've been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/836">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► favorite folders get tons and tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► features keyboard shortcuts for all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/839">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► this the folder you were last and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► this application throughout you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► think in history with it I use it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► the time and an open dialog box without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► it is just barbaric to me so default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► folder X yeah and so I defect on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► website and it's they say default folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► X 4.4.3 corrects problems for Lion users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/857">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► well there you go so looks like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► have a rubies out from the 22nd of July [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► so if anybody's having problems I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► that's a you can go get your your oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► it's a paid upgrade there you go oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► its update the update is free but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► part of I guess it's the they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/877">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► upgrade so yeah I think I recently had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/882">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► Leopard here and I it has an automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► built in updater I think I recently did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► update it but I guess they didn't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/888">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► at the changes and the reason I wondered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► whether it would be compatible or not is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/891">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► because for sandboxed applications in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/892">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► Lion the open dialog box is presented by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► the power box daemon and not by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► application itself and default folder is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► sort of one of those hacks that latches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► on to a system function and modifies it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► I don't know exactly how hacky it is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/905">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► I'm sure it's something that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► wishes didn't exist and what I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► to Apple is if you don't want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/912">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► exist take all the good features turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► if I'm sorry default folder X developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► destroy your business but it's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► should put some of this in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/922">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► notes I wrote something on my blog at R [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/923">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► as years ago called paths in the grass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► and I was adopting a story that I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/931">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► at a Perl conference that predates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/934">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► University I think they said when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► built the campus they didn't build any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► sidewalks it into any paved sidewalks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► everywhere and then they just waited a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► year to see where on the grass people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► warpath's from walking between buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► mm-hmm but like what the people pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► most efficient comfortable walking path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/954">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► in terms of the terrain and the hills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► and and who goes from building X to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► building Y and then after people had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► worn the grass down they just built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/961">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► paths where people had worn the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► grass down that's where they put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/964">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► cement rather than trying to guess where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► people might go and putting pavement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► there and having people not going to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► its path because it's not where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/971">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► would want to walk and that story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► used to justify tons and tons of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► I used it to a discussion of taxis those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► on sanity applications that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► memory resonated inside every running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/982">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► process and modify the processes that do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/983">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► something need these types of hacks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► default folder 10 where in order for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► them to provide the functionality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► they provide they have to latch on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► some system function sort of illegally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► but you know in unexpected ways they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► have to take an existing process like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► the open dialog box and grab on to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► and then I'm going to modify you sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► without your knowledge and consent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► because that's the only way I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► provide my functionality Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► like those because they compromise the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► stability of the system where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► well you know we wrote our application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► not expecting you to jump into our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► memory image and display your own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► window here or do whatever you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► call internal api's and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► so please don't write those things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► of course within the Mac App Store they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► can enforce it and say this is not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► of the Mac App Store because it modifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► this is a system in ways that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► agree with or whatever but if users like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► these functions they will buy these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► products and you know that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► example of a window shade or default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► folder 10 or I think is being the paths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► in the grass where people are walking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► that path going in that direction you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► know because that functionality they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► want and that's a signal for Apple not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► to keep replanting grass over there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► say no no you can't walk there but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► say I guess how people obviously want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► do this they want this functionality why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► don't we take this functionality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► build it into the operating system or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► least provide clean api's for third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► you know rather than trying to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► can't modify running applications you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► can't do these you know that make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► in-memory hacks or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► you can't inject your code into our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► applications don't just keep trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► close that door look at why people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► doing this because it's not as if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► know some phone writes an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► that injects itself into every running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► application if that becomes very popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► it's not because people love injecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► code and other applications most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► have no idea how it works they just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► that it does work in fact they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► notice that the stability of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► system decreases because they run this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► but they keep running it why do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► keep running it because they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► really want you know insert feature here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► they really really want window shade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► they really really want the features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► that default folder ten provides they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► not doing it for kicks and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► doing it despite Apple they're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► because the functionality is useful so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► and in all these cases with as a popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► if it's default holders like I said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► been around for decades now it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► like this is a fluke it's not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► know some crazy new application it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► a fad it'll go away people have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► using this and paying for it for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► and years obviously they want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► functionality so Apple if Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► think this functionality is appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► for the operating system at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► least provide clean supported hooks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► applications like default folder 10 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► do what it does because I think now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► too complicated we don't want the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► set a dialog box to have them any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► giggles we think that mouse-over thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► we use like finder windows is just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► undiscoverable and and it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► sense for the target demographic than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► want at least provide hooks at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► provide an API is as if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► extend the open save dialog box we made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► an officially supported extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► mechanism kind of like they did with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► Safari extensions because there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► Safari extensions for years like saft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► and what was that other one there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► couple other popular ones that extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► Safari in quote unquote illegal ways by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► jamming themselves into the memory image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► and calling Safari API s and extending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► stuff and Apple didn't like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► they said no no we'll make a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► supported Safari extensions and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► the limited set of things you can do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► it covers most of the bases you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► your own little windows you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► your own little preferences you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► toolbar buttons you know most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► things that extensions we're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► do we will now provide an official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► mechanism for that was the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► to do and they should do that in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► other cases where there are these paths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► born in the grass from people walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► over and over again to this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► more apps sold in the App Store more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► happy customers it seems like a logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► thing for them to do yeah it still comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► down to trade-offs because to build the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► Safari extension mechanism they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► say alright we're going to we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► come up with an API documentation we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► have to support it we have to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► our extensions can't crash the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► like is which which they do some gems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► yeah I know it there is an effort and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► there is some comrades I think they felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► the pressure to do it with Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► because chrome has extensions Firefox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► has extensions you know and Firefox had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► extensions for years and years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► there was grease monkey and all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► other add-ons so the Safari didn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► the pressure then but once Firefox had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► it and chrome had it and Chrome's market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► share started to pass safaris then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► kind of like okay well as extensions to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► Safari but window shade they held strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► on and I actually stopped using window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► shade recently just to get the last taxi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► off my system but I was sad about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► really want to use window shade I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► window shade I just don't like the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► it has to be implemented and I blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► developers I I thank the developers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► sanity window shade I would have paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► subscription basis and I still know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► people who want to use it I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► should just either build that into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► system or make it a hidden preference or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► build some sort of easy hook so that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► can be added because it's popular with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► certain subset of people and again if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► they don't want to build it in because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► if you build it in then you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► crushing a developer it's like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► said they should add default folder 10s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► functionality to open save and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► and now that developers out of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► so good job there well that happens all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► in the Mac world some feature that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► popular buy application ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► folded into the OS that's just the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► life goes you know some some features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► you could say well they really shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► have built in a Photoshop competitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► into the OS because now I don't we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► sell Photoshop and that was a bad move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► so some things some things are arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► not really appropriate as part of the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► and it's just Apple competing with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► third-party boot but if you're extending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► the open and save dialog box that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► clearly a core part of the OS and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► anyone's going to enhance the open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► save dollar box and Apple has enhanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► it in each version of Mac OS 10 but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► they're going to further enhance it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► would think that the makers of default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► folder 10 would say you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► like we didn't see this coming they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► always improving the open save dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► we're kind of flattered that they stole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► our features we're sad that we now can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► sell this product as much anymore they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► would prefer to Apple it provided clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► hooks to extend it so it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► third party opportunity for everybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► extend the open save dialog box but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► far Apple has done neither no API has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► continue to be a happy customer default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► folder 10 but not as happy as I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► if any of those other two scenarios we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► should add a link add that to your list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► put that in the in the the show links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► yep the 4x10 further there lion support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► it's important for people that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► didn't realize that it it worked online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► so I'm gonna check that out I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► you haven't used a felt product in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► before so it's one of those things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► people from classic know about kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► like window shade because if you came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 and never use classic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► wouldn't know window shade ever existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► same thing with if you didn't know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► default folder didn't know that name or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► didn't know of the features you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► be seeking out something that does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► in Mac OS 10 if you had never used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► right so for all of us classic guys we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► were looking for things that work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► or replace or are actually the exam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► exact product as the things we used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► classic one example of that is the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► remember complaining a lot about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► Apple menu in Mac OS 10 that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► you know the old Apple menu was an older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► where you could chuck stuff in and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► whatever you threw in that folder would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► appear in the menu so you could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► little sub folders full of applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► and and stuff like that and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► arrange it together or a custom menu in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► the upper left hand corner to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► frequently accessed items and when Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► OS 10 came out Apple said no you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► customize the Apple menu anymore the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► contents of the Apple menu is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► it's about this Mac and like three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► four other little things and then quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► shutdown sleep logout and that's it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► can't you can't add stuff to it and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► classic Mac OS people like me were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► saying well that was where I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► launch all my applications and open all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► my recently used folders and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► what's the equivalent of that so I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► just throw it in the dock the dock is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► much worse the dock takes up this huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► amount of space you can't add too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► subfolders initially where you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► you know navigate down five levels into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► why not just use the Apple engine for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► that and Apple said no no we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► doing that what Apple should have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► like macros people like me eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► did was introduced something better fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► you don't like the Apple menu you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► think like people throwing stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► there you want to use the Apple menu for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► something else you don't want it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► clutter it up fine give us a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► alternative and Apple said well our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► better alternative is the back and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► know power user support unquote but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► me we're saying that's not as good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► not as good for reasons XY and Z I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► something better and when something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► better came along it wasn't from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► it was basically for me Quicksilver I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► can launch with Quicksilver much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► than I ever did could with the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► you know Apple menu that's what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► looking for I was looking for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► say you know command space the first few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► letters your application is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► customizable Apple in you ever did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► that is totally true and so I don't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► a thought to the Apple menu anymore I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► have no bitterness about the Apple man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► you're not working like it did before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► because Quicksilver is so much better it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► functionality seems to be not equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► it's not a menu full of items you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► customize it's not exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► mechanism the things I use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► applications are the same and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► what I was looking for for Apple way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► back when when I was complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► the Apple menu was either keep what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► we've got or give us something just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► good or give us something that's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► even if a thing that's better isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► totally different like Quicksilver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► whoever even thought of that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► command space and then this weird window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► comes up or you can type stuff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► nonsensical but in practice it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► practice it's great so that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► example of the varying scenarios of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► taking away things that people are used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► to without providing a replacement it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► replacement that's that's even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► even if it's totally different let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► take a break and talk about one of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► sponsors for this episode this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1563">TS</a>]
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00:26:19 ◼ ► and application community and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► add beauty and depth to your site you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► know with Shopify and you may not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► you might not know this is that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► actually customize your storefront with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► your own HTML CSS and even if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► you can use your own JavaScript so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► you can join Shopify and enjoy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► first three months for free and to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► that when you go join make sure you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► the discount code 5x5 that's the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► 5b y and then the number five so be sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► to check out out Shopify at Shopify comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► business for life alright that's so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► have the show and follow up I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► that's all the follow up I have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► right what's new since since the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► show what do you got no this we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► believe it or not wending our way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► through things covered in my lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► article I think maybe this will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► last one so this is the the epic article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► that you do for every major release at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► at ARS technica that's right and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► talked about lots of stuff from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► article so far taking a section each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► show or whatever and there's one section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► this is something people wanted me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► talk about before my line review came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► out I sort of had a moratorium of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► talking about lion features on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► podcast for house I'll sit you know save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► it for the review visit if I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► about it I would feel like I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► reading from my review in progress so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► just wanted to have a radio silence to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► the review come out then we have the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► review and we can talk about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► people were constantly asking me after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► WWC you got to talk about this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► called arc when is John gonna talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1678">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► arc on the show and I said no no wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► for the review to come out and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► review came out and then we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► the review and like four or five shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► and still never got the arc so today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► think is the day we will finally talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► about arc and like all the other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► that I've talked about in line you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► should just go to the e section of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► line review and there you will find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► pretty big dump of what I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► about arc so I'm not going to repeat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► that entire section it's linked in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► show notes you should read it you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► pause now and read it if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► read it because I will assume you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► already read it understand it but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► just going to sort of hear some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► sites this is page 11 for those falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► at home on the website I think it's 10 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► was saying go to page 10 because 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► specific estar oh you're right you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► right you're right yep you are correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► page 10 alright so brief recap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► talking people kept asking me to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► about work because I had a previous show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► which was episode 14 or something let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► oh yes episode 14 was entitled a Dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► Age of objective-c I think on this shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► book ending 14 on 13 and 15 I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► talked about similar issues but what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► was discussing was a series of articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► I wrote years ago called Copeland 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► which was about how Apple's use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► objective-c and cocoa api's which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► which is a language and an API created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► for next computer back in the 90s I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► guess it 1989 was objective-c and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► in the early 90s next and everything how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► that could end up being a problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Apple going forward because all of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► competitors on the desktop and mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► platforms have languages and api's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► are higher level that they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► don't make the developers deal directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► with the memory that their memory safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► allocation of the allocation of memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► that they have higher level concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► they're not a superset of C and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► series of articles and in my various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► follows up follow-ups that series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► articles most of which are linked from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► the arc section of my line review I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► talked about both sides of it on the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► hand Apple using objective-c is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► advantage for them particularly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► mobile because it's lower level because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► you can get more efficiency out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► you can mix easily with existing C code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► and C libraries the cocoa API it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► so old is an advantage because mature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► and time-tested and refined and polished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► and has you know it's not something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► brand new debt is untested in real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► applications people have been building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► applications with these next-step api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► for years and years before Apple even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► came along and now it's even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► these are all advantages of objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► and cocoa the disadvantages I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► is that programming languages just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► higher level over time back in the dawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► applications were written in assembly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► which is unheard of today you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► never write a GUI application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► assembly or anything having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► the GUI application and assembly except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► maybe some little tight loop somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► for some numeric computation but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► then it's not that common these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► and C and C++ have been dominant for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► years and years but in in say after in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► the 2000s whatever you want to call this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► millennium decade most other development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► platforms have started to switch away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► from C C++ to other languages that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► higher level so Java obviously came and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► just covered the earth with a memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► safe language where there are no more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► pointers and there's no more dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► with memory manually this garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► collection it looks a lot cut a lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► C++ and it still got the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► bondage and discipline over static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► but you don't have to deal with memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► and it's unquestionably a higher-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► Microsoft of course says c-sharp in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► common language runtime and its various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► things built on top of that again memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► safety similar to C++ very similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► constructs like linked to sequel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► stuff like that things that are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► really easier or even possible in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► cases with a low-level language like C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and my argument way back when it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► it's 2005 or so is that Apple needs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► plan here because you don't just come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► with a new language and API overnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► you can't say well you know objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► and these next API guys were great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► next year we're gonna have a new one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► you can't just you know you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► takes years and years and years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► transition and you have to make sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► what you're transitioning to is good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► say what are they going to transition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► it they can they don't want to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► competitor's language they don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► Java for example because back then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► know that was Suns thing and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► look at Google using its don't call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► Java Java thing on the dalvik VM their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► current legal woes with Oracle and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► I don't think Apple wants any part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► that the common language runtime there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► this mono and net with an open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► inhalation of net is this mono runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► and the c-sharp language is standardized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► but Microsoft mostly controls it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► does Apple want to adopt Microsoft's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► language and API stack probably not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► mean they like being masters to the own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► destiny so I said Apple if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► to yeah there's going to come a day when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► the fact that people have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► pointers in manual memory allocation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► going to be a problem for you and 2005 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► people left so that's ridiculous it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► perfectly fine the next developer said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► we've been doing this for years you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► don't know what you're talking about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► API is are all better than theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► is higher-level the API suck next up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► api's are awesome most of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► actually true but you know you can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► can't hold back the tide at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► ridiculous to be dealing in a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► where you can accidentally scribble all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► accidentally access something off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► ends of an array and crash your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► application you know or where you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► to manually or allocate memory or retain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► and release and stuff like that it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► just end up looking silly no I said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► later follow-ups that the mobile the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► dawn of the mobile age has given Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► and extension or stay of execution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► because on mobile you have less memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► less CPU everything else is just tighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► and it's kind of like going back in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► platform wise say ah season aren't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► glad that we have this awesome sea based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► language and API and we can be fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► memory efficient than our batteries last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► a long time and our competitors have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► these VMs they're you eyes aren't smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► because they're garbage collector is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► running and making everything stutter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► that has made it more feasible for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► to stick with this but it all does is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► delay things so again I started asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► now here we are in 2011 so what what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► Apple going to do about this it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► like they have a problem here against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► their competitors and their competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► for the most part I've already paid the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► very painful price to convert from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► they had before to this new thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► always like a long horrible painful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► process too fast Microsoft about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► Google had the advantage of starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► from scratch with a memory manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► language they didn't have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► that same thing with like webOS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► whatever with using HTML and JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► and poms platform despite pom apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► not doing well selling devices its OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► has gotten nice reviews and its API is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► not low level like apples in all cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► they think they have some native API for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► making games but they're there GUI API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► is much higher low so @ww C 2011 Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► made an announcement that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► something called Ark which stands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► automatic reference counting now in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► thing that I linked to in my lion review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► I talked all about what is reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► counting first not automatic growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► reference counting it's a way that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► a convention for managing memory for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► objects in the next step slash cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► api's and it's very it's existed for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► very long time to be a cocoa developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► understand this stuff it it has to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► with retaining a reference to an object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► that you're going to use and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► releasing it when you're done and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► nobody else is retaining one then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► object gets the allocated automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► reference counting this thing that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► introduced is basically the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► reference counting except that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► have to write the parts where it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► retain this release that auto release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► that the compiler will write it for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► so you take your existing program it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► just the one you wrote according to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► Coco rules with retain release so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► so forth and release and remove all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► calls to retain release and auto release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► just erase them all and then compile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► your program and the compiler will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► figure out where it needs to retain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► where it needs to release and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► stuff so the name is very apt automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► counting memory it's not a garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► collector it's not anything like Java it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► doesn't introduce memory safety it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► doesn't remove pointers doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► anything like that all does is say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► don't want you guys to have to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► this memory management code anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► we'll write it for you and it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► more efficient you'll have to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► fewer lines of code and it will be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► error-free so that's what arc is and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► lot of people are asking me well doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► it solve the problem you were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► about with this Copeland 2010 business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► or isn't this their Apple solution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► this problem of having a low-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► language and my answer mostly is arc is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► good but and it helps but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► really address the the problem that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► interesting about arc is that what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► does do is reveal that Apple agrees at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► least to some degree that there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► sort of problem here that they're behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► everything was fine like our language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► and API is the best there's no problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► competitors in all areas they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► be undertaking an effort like this what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► what this effort shows is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► agree that there are things about other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► platforms mobile and desktop then make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► them more attractive than Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► platforms and they pick this makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► think that they believe the number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► problem that new developers coming over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► from another platform or something will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► say is like are I'm going to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► learn how to develop Rio Esther for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► Mac or something and they start learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► about cocoa and they say I have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► hey release yeah as someone we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► about this over email and as someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► is you know just familiar with with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► cocoa development in an iOS development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► where I've just kind of gone in and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► just started becoming familiar with it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► describe myself to you as a newbie to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► so that I'm not um you know I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► I know what you're talking about but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► know exactly what you mean to where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► was I was following along you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► Stanford does all those those iTunes U [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► videos and I think they have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► that are on iOS development and there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► that whole section it's very early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► where they teach you how to how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► allocate and deallocate memory and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► can definitely be for someone that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► coming me from developing for the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► it's very much a huge shift yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► it's so fundamental or used to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► fundamental to object to see that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► would teach it to you in like lesson two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► and you'd be like boy I want to know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► to write an app why you telling me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► like memory like and especially even for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► older developers who have been in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► business long time they're like I gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► that stuff up you know years ago I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► so happy they moved to Java or C sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► or whatever I didn't have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► that crap and Here I am using the quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► unquote world's most advanced operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► system which was the slogan for Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► 10 not iOS but either way I'm using this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► wizzy new thing on my cool iPhone or my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► Mac and I have to manually manage memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► not it's not that it's that hard and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► and their advantages of retaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► released memory management over garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► collection in some particular scenarios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► which Apple loves to emphasize in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► of not having to stall for garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► collector to run and stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► especially developer coming from another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► platform it seems barbaric people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► like going backwards you know and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► development again JavaScript you learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► to deal with this stuff table scripting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► what types really so this is a weakness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► that that Apple is basically admitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► exists in their platform because why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► else would you it you know introduce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► this initiative to make it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► people don't have to write retain your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► release code and and not only just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► making this like an option please go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► ahead garbage collection for Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► for a while to and I go into in the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► review all the reasons why garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► collection was not a good fit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► Objective C but it existed but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► never really promoted that heavily Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► didn't make all fits apps garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► collected it wasn't the officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► recommended practice for new application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► and with ARC it's different with arc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► when you make if you get Lyon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► install the developer tools and say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► want to make a new iOS application or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► new cocoa application it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► enables arc like it's the default this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► is the way they want people to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► their applications they are committed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► it they're going to make it work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► they want to remove this whole retaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► released business from their platform so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► it's easier for developers to adopt says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► everyone to use it not just newbies but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► even old guys who know exactly how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► retaining release in their sleep you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► know everyone makes mistakes even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► the old hands at this every once in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► while it's like they have to run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► leak detection thing so I forgot I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► over releasing here or I forgot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► release this or I have a you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► cycle here now that arc doesn't break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► cycles either reference cycles where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► references B&B references a nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► in the program references them and a and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► B never go away arc doesn't solve that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► either you have to it gives you some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► tools to solve but we can use weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► reference B and then B back to a with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► reference doesn't count towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► reference count so that those two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► will eventually be the allocated so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► gives you tools to do that but you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► have to manually create that weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► reference remember that a already points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► to B so when you point B back they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► just make a regular reference make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► weak reference it's it's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► nothing but it's still not like garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► collection which can find break cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► and clean up memory that it notice is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► not reachable from the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► program now and again the I swear my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► copeland 2010 thing it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► objective-c memory safe it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► remove pointers it doesn't do any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► those things which mostly what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► talking about it wasn't so much that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► was sending Objective C it's a pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► because you have to manually manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► memory I was saying Objective C is lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► level and all the things that go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► disadvantages will start dwarfing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► advantages I guess we're still not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► that point because Apple's mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► platform and particulate e still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► doing extremely well in terms of both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► perceived in actual performance battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► life and a lot of that is attributable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► to its use of low-level language so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► don't know when this day reckoning will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► come and I don't know what Apple's plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► are the very end of the line arc my of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► my line read where I talk about arc I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► said well but you know let's let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► so what does this say about Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► future what are they planning on doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► and my tea leaf reading is that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► right so this this says that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► realizes this some sort of problem so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► I'm going to extrapolate from that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► say that they realize that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► forever like this is not not just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► Objective C has one or two disadvantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► but that they realize the full extent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► which Objective C is behind other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► languages you know they realize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► advantages as well which is why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► didn't go with garbage collection or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► know they said that we want to retain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► our advantages for as long as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► disadvantage but eventually we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► to have to make that leap so that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► first tea leaf reading is that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► realizes there there is a better way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► they want to get to that better way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► somehow the second thing I'm reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► tea leaves here is that the Apple is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► a believer in virtual machines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► garbage collection for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► saying we have a virtual machine garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► collection so you know dalvik on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► Android platform has a virtual machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► has garbage collection c-sharp the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► common language runtime dotnet this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► garbage collection in a virtual machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► Apple has is not creating a virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► machine as far as I could tell and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► know and they don't seem to be big fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► of garbage collection as in runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► garbage collection but there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► other process while your program is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► running that finds that memory that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► not for referenced anymore and gathers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► it up into the allocates it and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► extrapolate from all that and say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► next thing Apple will probably do or own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► the next thing but where Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► probably going is a memory safe compiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► language that deals with it that is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► of like the parts of objective-c that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► cocoa programmers use so in Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► program you could do anything you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► in a C program you could you know start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► filling with pointers you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► native C arrays and stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► what Apple wants you to do with the API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► is you know don't use C arrays yes C has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► support for a raise you can use little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► angle brackets to do pointer arithmetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► for you it looks like you're accessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► an element but it's just math isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► wonderful all right they say no use NS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► array or NS mutable array that's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► collection class right and same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► with strings yes you can do a pointer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► a character and have it be a string and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► use an alternation don't do that using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► string we have a class for that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► most of the things that you can do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► doesn't want you to do when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► writing your GUI app they say call our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► cocoa API is use our collection classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► use our syntax don't you see now you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► imagine a language that is to to borrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► a phrase from another thing a link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► the show notes Objective C without the C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► where you've got the Objective C api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► but you don't have the ability to drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► all the way down and to see and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► can make the Objective C API is memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► safe where if you're just dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► objects and you're just calling methods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► and just using the native collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► classes there's no reason to ever to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► have a role pointer to memory or to ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► dereference one or anything like that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► yes uh you know Objective C objects are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► technically pointers one of the covers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► is on and so forth but I can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► Apple moving in steps like further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► ratcheting down the clamps on Objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► C because even an arc you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► certain things an arc you can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► like Africa but the limitations are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► there's a bunch of limitations well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► can't take a you know an NS object or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► something a pointer to an object and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► shove it inside a C struct because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► can't keep track of it anymore other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► restrictions on what you can and can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► do that you could technically do in a C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► program but when arc is enabled they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► actually we're going to disallow that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► because we can't make arc work if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► can do that we lose track of your stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► so that's not allowed so they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► adding restrictions to the language to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► enable more advanced features and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► imagine them adding more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► restrictions until on a per file basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► even in like a per lexical scope basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► saying in this part of the code here all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► you can do is call Objective C api's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► can't do any of that straight C stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► and in this M in exchange for that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► those restrictions you have memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► different syntax and maybe they even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► give it a name that's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► language right it's some point I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► they're come out and say apples new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► language is blah and what it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► is a way to call cocoa api's in it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► language that's memory safe now every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► time I bring this up everyone says Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► cocoa or not Ruby cocoa but Mac Ruby and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► the various other bridge type things Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► Ruby being that the most popular because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► Mac Ruby Bridges from Ruby collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► classes to cocoa glasses where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► program in Ruby which is memory safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► right and when you access a Ruby array [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► it uses NS arrays under the covers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► then Ruby strings or any strings under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► the covers and stuff like that I've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► in many shows that I am down on bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► languages I don't think that's the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► Apple will go even though it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► good bridge and even though they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► bridging the collection classes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► stuff - under the covers be at Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► objects or objective-c objects and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► covers I think they're more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► carve out a little language out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► middle out of the heart of objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► and say this is our new language whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► they give it a new name whether they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► give it a new syntax you know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► it's a file scope thing or a lexical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► scope thing or a whole program thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► don't know but I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► direction they're going but in small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► little steps is what you're saying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► so it's not that yeah because I can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► a a big a big shift and John is there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► mean do you think there's even a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► demand for this for this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► obviously Ark is probably going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► especially those that are new to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► working in cocoa framework but do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► think there's even a demand for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► type of change or or is this I guess I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► asking because I wonder if if the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► objective-c and cocoa is is that keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► people from from developing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► platform I mean there's thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► developers putting stuff in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► App Store's yeah one of this is a quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► from the arc section of my review and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► has a link to a great talk by Ed Catmull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Pixar which I have promoted on this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► many times and have told people seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► incredibly boring and is really long but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► you should just watch it and listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► the whole thing it's very enlightening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► and the quote is this is quote from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► review success hides problems and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► has been so very successful in recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► years that is success hides problems as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► a direct quote from that Ed Catmull talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► Apple has been enormous ly successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► with its mobile platform with iOS but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► success hides problems it doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► well it doesn't prove that they have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► problems because they've been successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► sort of I figure which fallacy that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► not appeal to Authority but it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► those ones their success hides their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► problems people are coming to iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► dealing with retaining release not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► because they think retaining release are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► awesome but because that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► money is that's where the success is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► that's you know they've sold a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► devices you know and yes there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► people who love cocoa love the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► api's and were writing next apps when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► there was like three users in the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► universe and they still loved it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► still said it was the best and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► you'll never be able to convince those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► that that that arc is good there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► synthesized attributes ooh good yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► was always the old developer to say I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► been doing this way for decades and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► think this way is better and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► newfangled stuff is crap if you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► convince them you know what can you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► it's Apple has always been focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► the future and they continue to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► they're focused on the new developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► who's maybe never developed anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► retaining release or maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► coming from another mobile platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► another desktop platform and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► disgusted by retaining release and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► old next guys say oh you don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► you're talking about go back to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► crappy platform our API so awesome you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► should you know you should just like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► right and look how successful we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► obviously what we're doing is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► because we've been some you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► so whether there's a demand or not Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Apple has to move forward and the path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► forward is pretty clear in the manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► grandchildren it's not something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► have to deal with in the same way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► you know the people who are programmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► computers with toggle switches or punch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► cards that boy I hope my kids don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► to use punch cards and we don't we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► to type into you know a text editor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► we got a compiler you know we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► to you don't have to deal with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► stuff but even the people are writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► assembler I hope we're saying boy I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► people don't have to write thousands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► thousands and thousands and thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► lines of assembler to write an operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► system or GUI application or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► like that in the future and we don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► have higher-level languages it only gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► higher level right and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► happen and it's really really difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► to transition that's the most dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► time for a company that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► that's why Apple I think is doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► slowly in steps because you have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► such an investment in in cocoa and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► API is that were derived from next in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► the compiled they wrote their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► compiler right and that's what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► building arc on top of well they adopted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► LVM and then made it into their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► compiler right they have such a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► investment you can just throw that away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► and say okay well actually now the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► we have a new API and a new language and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► here's this new thing that's so so hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► to do which is why I was freaking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► about it in 2005 because I know how hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► it is to do and if you're gonna do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► you got to go on like the ten year plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► you can't be on like the the six month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► plan where you're going to turn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► around so I think arc is just the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► recent step in what I hope what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► sincerely hope is like some two three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► four five ten year plan inside Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► get from where they are now to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► platform to the developers who got them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► here to the old next guys or to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► people came over from classic American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► West those are the people that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► got Apple to where they are apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► looking to the future but doesn't to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► piss those guys off either so it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► do it in a series of steps and a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► point there'll be a discontinuity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► whether that's a marketing discontinuity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► whether they just simply say we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► for the restricted subset of Jeff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► see that we want you to write cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► things and by the way with a new name we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► introduce a new syntax is mostly window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► dressing you know it's the semantics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► the language make a difference but at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► certain point they could introduce a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► syntax because they've changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► semantics so much that you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► ever use pointer stuff so the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► you have little stars in front of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► declarations is making reminding you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► that there are pointers to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► there see pointers and new developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► using one of these stars all here for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► biz they never even heard of C like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► that's the point where you might think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► about changing the syntax because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► just noise that's not relevant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► current development let's go ahead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► take another break and talk about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3123">TS</a>]
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00:52:49 ◼ ► helpful server company I have ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► worked with I used them for my first net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► admin position fresh out of college and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► he says I ask them all sorts of dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► questions and they always helped me with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► a smile so if you're building a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► or application you should definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► check out Rackspace go to Rackspace comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► slash 5x5 so it's not about today or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► next year that's probably the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► you're making in 2005 which is it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► for as as new crops developers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► come out of school there there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► going to be so accustomed to to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► type of development anymore and so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► keep ahead of it then Apple needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► make some changes you at the last line I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► think of the of the arc section of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► review you said the next few years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► so maybe are you hinting that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► something one or two new things per year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► perhaps well so they didn't pass WABC as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► they did stuff like the property syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► where instead of doing objects arrow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► know - greater than sign value which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► the pointer dereference access stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► like that you could do a dot syntax and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► the dot was a new syntax they added for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► accessing properties and so instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► calling uh not instead of the arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► sorry instead of calling the instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► sending the get foo message you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► object dot foo and it would under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► covers call the method for you and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► like that it was a different syntax for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► common operation for dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► attributes and a lot of and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► this is not this year this was maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► last year or the year before that and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► lot of seasons objective-c developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► said why would I just call you know get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► foo with my square brackets the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► always have or set foo and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► with value blah blah why would I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► this dot syntax on the assignment it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► looks weird to me it looks like it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► like I'm accessing a structure element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► but I'm not and it looks kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► c-sharp or Java or some other syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► that our JavaScript and that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► way I like I want my objective seat you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► know there was pushback on that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► direction of you know what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► things that annoy people well people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► don't like to do getting set they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► this dot access of attributes so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► declaring things in seven places where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► you got to do it in the header file then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► you got to do the implementation you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► to make sure they're all in sync and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► sometimes writing getters and setters is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► just boilerplate where you're copying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► pasting the same code over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► again with some names change so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► have a synthesize thing where we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► make that code for you and like tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► little steps and at every one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► tiny little steps people grumble and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► disadvantages of it versus doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► manually but then eventually sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► you know you'll see an objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► developer say I didn't use properties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► but I finally came around doing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► makes things so much easier or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► and any of these things they introduce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► arc is just one more step arc is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► it's the biggest step so far because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► those other things like here are ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► save you typing and we will do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► that we think you would have typed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► anyway if you don't want to do it fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► type it all out the same way you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► did arc is the first time or the saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► you actually can't type retain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► release anymore run under arc which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► the recommended way to do things and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► were taking away retain and release from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► you we're going to handle it just follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► these conventions you can do another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► profile basis and a pro project basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► collection where it's global so we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► you to adopt it we have a thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► ID that says make this are compatible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and it'll go and erase all your retains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► and release and convert your project to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► it you know we're trying to help trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► to make bring people along but arc is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► the first really big step in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► direction I say the next years are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► to be interesting because I assume this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► rate of change will accelerate not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► slower like they spent many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► getting off GCC which was their old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► compiler the open source new compiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► GCC sampark a new compiler something or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► other which starts with a C and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► they adopted LLVM and they made their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► own compiler out of it and that took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► long time because they wanted to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► their compiler GCC compatible but better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► than GCC in every possible way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► could I think that they paid that price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► now that they've they did that work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► now they're finally free to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► running you know and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► long it took them to develop arc but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► strikes me as the first thing they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► do once I got their head above water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► with GCC that five GCC is gone all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► infrastructure that we always wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► everything's nice and clean and easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► extend what's the first thing we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► going to do and the first thing I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► was attack retain release right so next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► year who knows what they'll have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► store for us and the year after that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► the year after that I expect the rate of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► change to accelerate towards some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► unknown destination it sounds it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► and maybe a good place to to wrap up did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► you have anything else on on the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► for today or do you think that arc was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► was enough remain the main thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► I did mention on past shows that I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► 10 word review ten word joke review of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► line because back when we were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► about how long my lion review was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► mentioned that I had a short version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► it a friend of mine said I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► read your whole line of you can you give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► me the ten word summary so I did I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► this is mostly a joke and it contains a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► curse word which Dan will not like me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► say so I will abbreviate the curse word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► so we all won't have to be bleeped two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► people can I was getting ready to mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► you on the know I'm not gonna Margot I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► gonna say okay good alright so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► what I originally wrote and I will give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► you the amendment oh this is the 10 word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► version upgrade but not right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► change is scary effing iOS now I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► unpack this briefly alright so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► upgrade but not right away it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► seem like oh you saying we should hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► off cuz it's not good and I shouldn't in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► I always don't upgrade personally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► away like my machines are still running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► Snow Leopard now and I've talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► this on past shows just because I say in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► the review the operating system is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► and that you should upgrade doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► you should upgrade the day it's released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► like wait a while see that all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► applications are compatible let other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► people find out what the problems are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► this is not just Lion every OS release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► I've always said you don't you're best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► off waiting a little bit make sure don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► don't just guess you know don't upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► and then find out what's uncle because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► you can't revert easily at the restore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► from a backup right you can find out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► your apps are compatible go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► developers page like for example before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► I upgrade the line I would go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► default folder tens page and say is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► compatible is that you know all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► favorite applications find out they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► compatible read the reviews read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► reviews first and find out the no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► can't run PowerPC applications online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► applications if you don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► applications Google for Mac OS 10 fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► PowerPC application like there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► lists out there that people have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► right so the my little my first part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► upgrade but not right away I could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► that in the front of almost every Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► 10 review upgrade is me saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► an improvement over the past version I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► like it a likely direction are taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► the operating system the but right not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► right away is a reminder that like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► don't be nuts and go out there the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► it comes out and just installed on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► machine and cry when everything breaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► caution is recommended I have to at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► recommendation like thumbs up thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► down I give lion a thumbs up but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► all operating systems and all big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► changes like don't don't rush out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► upgrade everything and then be sad when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► things break find out first you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► change is scary is the next three words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► and that's the whole bit about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► changing scrolling and the iOS type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► behaviors and you know trying to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► the number of things that users have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► be concerned about trying to make users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► take users out of the business of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► remembering what Windows they open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► taking users out of the business of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► quitting them when they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► and relaunching them when they need them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► and all that business like that's change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► is always scary sometimes it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► sometimes it's bad but it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► distinguish especially on day one which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► one of these changes is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► something that ten years from now will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► say god can't believe we ever did it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► terrible mishap and they have to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► know back they go back on that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► the final part was effing iOS and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► is a meant to be vaguely humorous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► reference to the fact that most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► things that people don't like about Lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► are due to the influence of iowa's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► let's list it so scrolling yeah that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► the automatic quitting of applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► the gestures all right well maybe not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► much the gestures but gestures to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► gestures for you know changing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► simplification of spaces and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► in Mission Control and like it's iOS has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► influences everywhere in Lion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► whether those changes turn out to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► good or bad long term if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► lay blame for why it's this line thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► annoying me it's basically iOS s fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► so the effing iOS there is the that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► actually added that because I have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► eight word review and I add that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► there because it's like we all are upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► when someone moves our cheese right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► where things aren't quite the way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► want them to be and I believe that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► inappropriate for desktop operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► system or at least inappropriate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► one running on the 30-inch monitor or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► something and you know and I blame those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► changes on the success of iOS and on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► coming back there now most of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► I think are actually good you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► things that iOS are doing is a proof of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► concept saying see computing can be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► majority of them I believe that to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► the case but it still doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► people aren't going to be all cranky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► about it and when they're cranky about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► it that's the sentiment F in iOS I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► nestle change my scrolling yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► even to the scroll Direction isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► you know that's that's my ten read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► review upgrade but not right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► changes gary effing iOS much shorter to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► read even my expansion of it was shorter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► than ringer you recommend reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► review if you want a slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► nuanced and less glib take on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► operating system i also recommend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► review it's um it's a great tape it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► great book into all the little pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► especially for people that really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► that are the listeners are the show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► really like to know every every small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► intelligent commentary on on all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► so john are just a wrap-up are you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► to upgrade soon then I mean it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► yeah I'm still the main thing is holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► me back on my home max is quicken which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► I used oh I think you've been you were I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► don't talk about doing the podcast with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► Dan or on Twitter but yeah I do remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► you talking about yeah so I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► auditioning changes that I've looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► a couple of them I haven't pulled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► trigger on any of them yet I made I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► don't know it's not a long term solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► but I may just leave an old Mac running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► yeah yeah you know but other than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► I've also been checking my all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► applications and updating them all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► I'm getting there I'm in no hurry to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► switch to lion mmm one of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► things that holding me back is I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► lot of compiled UNIX software I have ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► different databases compiled and often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► various directories several versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► my sequel and Postgres and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► several versions of Perl or hiding in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► there and God knows what else I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► custom versions of read line I have lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► of you compiled UNIX software I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► make sure all that will build cleanly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► line before I go or because s when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► upgrade it's not just me upgrade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► then I got to go back in and make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► my existing installs and user local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► they'll still be fine they'll be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► but do they all work and is it now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► usually the time where I bite the bullet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► and say okay now it's time for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► upgrade my install Perl from like 512 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► 514 2 or whatever the latest is stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► like that for developers is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► about whether you like the scrolling or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► not it's whether you can actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► jump back in and do your development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► work is your environment set up exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► how you want it right and that's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► more so at work it works even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► because you know I have at home I break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► it it's okay but at work I can't it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► I need to be able to do my work on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► work machine so and also at work I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► requirements to have my disk encrypted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► and I use PGP for that now so I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► go through the IT department say hey is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► it okay if I upgrade to Lion if I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► the built-in encryption is that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► certified for use at the company there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► a whole bunch of bureaucratic business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► of delaying me at work so I'll probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► upgrade at home within the next few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► months if I get around to visit it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► also like set aside several hours in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► day for me to do the upgrade and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► sure everything works you know because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► don't want to just like throw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► upgrade on there and then everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3898">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► breaks and not have time to to fix stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► you need to set aside a weekend to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► yeah at least if you have multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► machines yeah actually if I I just got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► new machine for my wife so hers will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► come with Lion so hey I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► upgrade her and her old machine will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► probably be the quicken machine in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► the near term but obviously that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► long-term solution because eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► that machine's gonna die or break or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► know you can't be running quicken and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► you know ten years from now on that old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► Mac yeah especially since and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► that the whole financial software thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► is probably a whole whole topic for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► whole show but you know they they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► supporting certain versions too after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► while as far as interacting with banks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► and stuff like that so eventually yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► certain and I yeah so I'm still I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► holding off not for reasons that having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► to do with line mostly just to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► do with the amount of time I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► deal with it and laziness and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► it has to be said general satisfaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► with Snow Leopard like Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► works I never had any problems I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► had a kernel panic on this Mac Pro in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► like two years I can't remember the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► time I had one it's like a disruption to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► my environment you know and the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► I'm already at the point now where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► want upgrade to use this is what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► when new versions of applications come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► out and you're like aw man I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► check that always lion only like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► already happening even though it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► lying only that like online it has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► like solver which I love I should I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► these guys would sponsor the program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► there I don't they don't have to sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► it because everyone raves about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► think Marco raves about him too on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► Twitter yes sou lver awesome application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► changed my life when I found it he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► been making lion updates where does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► automatic restore and stuff and I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► I hate the little red dot in the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► and I hate when I quit solver I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► remember to save the sheet and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► like that he's already made lion updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► to his app that I assume include resume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► and autosave and stuff like that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► want to use them now it's like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► I want to be running lion so I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► applications that I already have so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► only a matter of time before I succumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► to the to upgrade fever great well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► sounds like a good place to to wrap up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► as always I'm sure people know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► get a hold of you I assume they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► go to five by five slash contact I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► know where they do is that contact form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► thing oh yeah somewhere people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► finding it buzz it get the feedback yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► my five dot TV slash contact is one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► to get in touch and I'm sure people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► have some some some feedback I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► what you get every week so great well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► that's I think we're gonna wrap it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► thanks John for letting me jump in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► Dan he's taking obviously some time off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► to spend with his growing family sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► so so we we wish him the best of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► and that's it for this episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► hypocritical and either me or Dan we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► hypercritical we'd like to once again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkY7Cqw/4077">TS</a>]
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