29: In Too Deep
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this is hypercritical episode number 29
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this is weekly talkshow ruminating on
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exactly what is wrong in the world of
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Apple related technologies and
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businesses nothing is so perfect then it
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cannot be detonated by my co-host John
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siracusa i'm dan benjamin would like to
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briefly mention that the show is
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supported by easy dns calm and campaign
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monitor comm who we will tell you about
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so as the show goes on we also want to
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mention that bandwidth for this episode
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is provided by Midas green technologies
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virtual private server submerged in oil
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we got to talk about that some point
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like the your take on that but you can
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get some free bandwidth we're going to -
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green tech Co now willing to olive oil
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it is not olive oil not your kind of one
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of the kind of oil that you and your
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family have made for several generations
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in siracusa Italy which is where you're
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from I actually wouldn't like to hereby
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I keep hearing that company advertised
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but I haven't checked out the site yet
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but you can tell me about it
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apparently I've well I've been there and
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they have these giant they have these
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giant I wouldn't call them bathtubs
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because it's much more professional than
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that but they're their tanks I guess
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you'd say tanks and in in the tank is
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this this special kind of oil and it's a
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certain kind of oil it's I don't know if
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it's mineral oil I don't know if it's
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some other kind of oil it's a
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proprietary oil I don't know but you can
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submerge the electronic equipment into
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the oil and it works and it actually
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cools stuff better than air and it's
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better than those computers which had
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your little tubes and have liquid
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cooling inside them it's you submerge
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the whole thing and the only thing you
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have to do if you have like a fan they
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disable the fan because there's no need
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for that to just be spinning in there
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and if they have a hard drive they just
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they put the special little coating on
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the outside of the drive and then you
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submerge and it runs forever in there it
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was pretty amazing I actually looked at
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this I actually saw the stuff working
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it's like something you don't believe
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like you someone
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oh I could just sink a computer in there
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and it's gonna work you know I can know
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I can but it does you should come on out
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you just go I'll fly out here flying you
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can't ringing I would love to see that
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you should put up some pictures or
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something I probably have some other
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website yeah no no - green tech comm
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they've got a video and I think it'd be
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great to get you out here and have you
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just sort of we could dunk you into the
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into the oil put like a wetsuit on you
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and dunk you I'm pretty early as it is
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who can only imagine how are you I
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inherited so how are you were off last
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week you on a vacation last week I did
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or was it last week wasn't it seems like
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so long ago it was last week though yeah
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I guess I came back on Friday yeah last
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week okay it's fun I was it relaxing
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when I came back to work I couldn't
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remember the code that I have to punch
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in to get in like the security door
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that's how you can tell when you had a
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good vacation right do you stand around
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out there wait for someone to let you
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know like yeah I found myself typing my
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zip code and I said no that can't be
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so I just sat there for maybe three
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minutes and let my brain spew forth the
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correct answer the trick is that you
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have to not think about numbers but just
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close your eyes into the sequence with
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your fingers directionally you know what
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I mean muscle memory they call that yes
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and that worked you got in and you got
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to work and you were actually back last
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week we could have done the show last
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week but you said too much catching up
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to do - now sister just one day I was
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just back on Friday so Friday is not my
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normal day and yeah I'd to catch up on
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stuff okay so people are very upset they
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first of all and immediately if there's
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ever any change in the schedule faith is
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nodding if there's ever any change in
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schedule the slightest change slightest
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or something's 15 minutes later than
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I mean understandably they blame me for
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it even when it's not my fault usually
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it is so they're right to blame me first
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but they get bad people get very I was a
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very upset we get a lot of it we get
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more email if I was to say that the
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first computer ever invented was uh them
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you know the Mac LC that was the first
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computer invented in 1919-20 - and state
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that as a fact I would get less email
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the show was 15 minutes late should be
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worried when they don't get upset then I
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know that because they care they do care
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especially your listeners here they love
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you they love when you get stuff wrong
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yeah why don't we start with that this
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doesn't what do you got wrong this week
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last week I'm sure I got a lot of things
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wrong but this is the one that was the
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most egregious this I think person who
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responded to me here did it through
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Twitter this is a Stephen all read or Al
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read okay there's a computer science
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student or graduate graduate graduate
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student yeah
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King's College in London so last week I
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talked to last week maybe two weeks ago
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I talked a little bit about what's wrong
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with hfs+ sort of going over the stuff
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from my line review linen that I covered
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and one of the things that I was and was
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that when you have one process writing
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to an HFS volume when it when it comes
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time for it to actually write the
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changes to the file system it has to
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grab a big global lock and say okay I'm
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writing nobody else can write and if
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another process that's running in
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parallel you know because on another
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core whatever wants to write at the same
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time it can't because it's blocked by
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that one right it's one writer at a time
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and HFS+ and that that's entirely true
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and I was trying to emphasize how
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horrible that is for concurrency I guess
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you could probably imagine you don't
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even need multiple cores because it
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could be that just one process has the
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lock and then got kicked off the CPU and
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another process comes on to the CPU and
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it wants to write but it can't because
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the other thing has lock so it gets
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kicked off the CPU and you know it's
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horrible for concurrency even with a
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single quorum with multiple cores is bad
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too and to try to emphasize how bad this
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was I went one step too far and tried to
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give an example of a raid setup or a
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multi disc set up with multiple spindles
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and if you were limited to one writer I
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said that that would be a waste of the
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capacity of those spindles that's not
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actually true it really depends on
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what's managing those spindles if a
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traditional raid is managing those
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spindles is pretty much up to the RAID
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controller how to do that for example if
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you are doing a mirroring raid even if
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you have one writer you're still using
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your spindles because you're mirroring
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you know you're right to both sets of
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spindles right and there are many raid
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configurations that have a mirroring
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component you know raid 10 or
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all the different combinations raid 6
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sometimes you're writing parity to one
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of the drives so that's another instance
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where it's been multiple spindles would
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be in flight so that was a bad bad
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attempt to explain the implications of
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only having one right at a time because
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in raid and other multi-volume
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multi-disc setups the number of spindles
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in action at any one time is not limited
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by the limitations of the file system
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it's really up to the controller and how
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it's dipping up data so that was a bad
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example and Steven called me on that and
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that was good call only only because he
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has an advanced degree do you even
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acknowledge him
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no I didn't know who he was when he sent
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the thing I just looked up this
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information so I would know who do
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properly credit but he was the only
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person who yelled about that if we had
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anybody I mean if you if I had heard the
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same thing on a podcast and had been in
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a critical thinking mindset I would have
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caught myself in that error as it was
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just a dumb off the coffee example that
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really makes no sense if you think about
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it for more than two seconds so my bad
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some more follow up remember we talked
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about the dock indicator lights and how
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they change the defaults and you know
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whether they're on or off in line and
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all that business maybe two shows ago
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mm-hmm and I made a joke that like now
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that they changed the default so that
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they're on why even have the option
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because who in their right mind is going
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to go in there and turn them off because
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novice user is the vast majority of
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users are just never going to touch a
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default so whatever the default is
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that's what it is and if you technically
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inclined users I've said they're they're
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the ones who are going to want the dots
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to be on because if you're that kind of
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techie nerd about this option you also
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are probably used to the old way of
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doing things you want your dots so you
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know what's running and what's not and a
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whole bunch of people replied to me
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through various means to say that they
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actually did go in there and turn that
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option off and every single one of them
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had this or a similar variant of this as
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their explanation they said they don't
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put non-running apps in the dock so
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everything every application of the dock
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is running like they don't have
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permanent citizenship in the dock at all
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it just seems crazy to me because that
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means when you start up your computer
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the only thing in the dock is on the
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left side of the dock anyway is the
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finder icon and nothing else I guess so
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that parently that's how these people
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roll and they you know so obviously they
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turn off the dots and whenever any
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application
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piers in the dock obviously it's running
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there's no need for a dot to be
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underneath it so the dots are just
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redundant noise and turning them off you
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know makes the appearance nicer so
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that's that's the way people use their
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computers is something I hadn't occurred
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to me but that's what they did the
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reason it didn't occur to me is because
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it just seems so weird to me not to use
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the dock as a launcher at all I guess
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that's kind of odd because I use
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Quicksilver as my launcher so I guess no
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you're not like a launch bar I would if
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see I would have pegged you for a launch
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bar she's never shown that yeah I'm I'll
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do a little side bar and I don't know
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this would be a great show I'm gonna do
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that we gotta do it let me just do a
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side bar in this was it'll take two
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seconds okay I say before I talk for
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five minutes
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all right that's assuming that doesn't
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whenever it first became calm okay wait
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a minute hang on hang on
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what is Quicksilver John oh so hard to
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explain it as far as I'm concerned it's
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a thing that appears when you hit
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command space and then you type stuff
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it presents options to you of what
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you're typing what it thinks you're
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typing means then when you return it
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does whatever the current option is so
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for example if I were to hit a command
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space and type mail M ail right so you
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had it if you had it configured in a
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particular way it could be that the
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Apple Mail application icon appears in
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front of you and you say yes what I
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actually wanted to do was launch the
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mail application you hit returned and it
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would launch mail but it could do all
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sorts of things when you type mail like
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this the number of ways you can
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configure this that's why it's hard to
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explain because there's tons of plugins
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and you can configure it however you
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want you can make like the world of
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things that you're typing into can be
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configured in ten different ways to
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Sunday so it's hard to explain what it
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really does and really the reason it
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became popular I think is because of
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that flexibility and because it was the
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idea that you could do stuff without
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taking your hands off the keyboard and
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what you wanted to do well it's up to
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you if you decide you want to type this
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command space keyboard shortcut which by
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the way clicks overhead before spot like
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it existed so spotlight kind of stole
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that from Quicksilver you type that
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keyboard shortcut and you type something
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and you and you configure it so that
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what you type means what you want it to
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mean and then you know you can hit
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return and tab and space and all sorts
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of things like reveal documents or
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make small text and snippets or do
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calculations or look at your clipboard
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history or just insane amount of stuff
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that you you can do so when I got into
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it way back when I decided I wanted to
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use it as an application launcher and
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pretty much only as an application
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launcher so what I did and continue to
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do is take my catalog which is what
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Quicksilver calls the the world of
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things that it's searching when you type
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and pair it down to just applications I
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may be one or two documents that are
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open frequently but I rarely use that in
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practice because I wanted the world of
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things that I'm typing you know the
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world of things that they what I'm
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typing can match to be as small as
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possible so there is less of a chance of
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confusion now Quicksilver has some
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learning capabilities with manual
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overrides where you can train it that
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when you type command space PS it
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launches Photoshop even though Photoshop
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doesn't begin with PS it has P and s in
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it you know Quicksilver will do that
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kind of matching for you and you can
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forcibly make it launch the thing that
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you want if you have four or five
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applications that all have similar names
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or something you can say no when I type
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command space you know X Y I mean this
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application so you you only have to do
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that in the beginning you know once you
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train it to your needs and eventually
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you get into a situation where you type
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command space a couple letters and hit
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return it is by far the fastest way to
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launch an application much faster than
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spotlight in my experience unless maybe
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you're on a system where it was just new
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out of the box with a newly updated
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spotlight index but when you have
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millions and millions of files like I do
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spotlight is not an efficient way to
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launch applications especially if the
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application happens to have the same
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name as the contents of a text file that
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you use recently or some other thing the
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world of things that spa like searches
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is much larger than in my pared-down
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quick slow everything so why not why not
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launch bar for example so I've tried all
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the other alternatives at various times
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launch bar launch bar three four or five
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all the history of launch bar I've
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always downloaded and tried it Alfred
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Butler one of the other ones like it
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could confused by these english
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manservant applications there's a whole
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bunch of them on that theme but yeah
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I've tried a whole bunch of them I I
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think Alfred has come the closest to
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replacing Quicksilver for a while
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Quicksilver was kind of in this
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development limbo kind of like textmate
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or where the guy who developed it went
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off to work for Google and did something
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different
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that also have the initials Q s he did
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the Google quick search but it was like
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well who's gonna you know and
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Quicksilver I believe with GPL it was
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open-source I think and I don't know if
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it's GPL it might be but it was just out
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there and it was kind of languishing and
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then you know Apple would update the
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operating system and clicks over would
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get weird and crashy and then someone
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would go in there heroically make it
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work again so I think now finally the Q
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s app comm has the people who are
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actively maintaining it but for a while
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there I was searching for alternatives I
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was afraid Quicksilver was going to go
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away or break and it was flaky for a
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while right so I tried all these other
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ones and the reason I didn't use them is
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maybe it's the stupidest reason ever but
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it's it's it's my reason it's a valid
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reason for me I like the way Quicksilver
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looks and I like where it appears in the
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screen I used the which appearance do I
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use then I should say Bozell again
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people love it now the bed the bezel
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appearance yeah which was that the
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default I don't think that was a default
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way back in the day back in the day
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there was this ugly default in
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Quicksilver but the bezel appearance is
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the one I use and it's kind of like a
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transparent rounded wreck with a big
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honkin 128 by 128 I think icon of your
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application left-hand pane and then the
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right hand paints is the action you're
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going to do to it or whatever when I hit
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command space I want that to appear dead
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center on the on the screen I don't want
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to read any text like I just want the
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big icon of the application because as I
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type that icon goes flips off a foot you
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know as I type each letter that icon
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changes really really quickly and my
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pinkie hits return as soon as that icon
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looks like the thing I want it launched
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I'm never reading any words that's what
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makes it fast to me I want to do command
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space a couple letters which my fingers
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will type without me looking I'm staring
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straight ahead up the middle the screen
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at a big look picture of the icon and
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Susy icon appears they return now launch
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bar is always up in the upper right I
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don't want to look over there
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well in Tirana key it can be in the
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middle launch bar right but the middle
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the middle top the right huh yeah not
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dead center with the big hunking icon
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like that Alfred is really close but
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doesn't have quite as big an icon and
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the other thing that's keeping
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Quicksilver going is that like I have my
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catalog tweak just so with I have a
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custom you know applications pull out of
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the developer folder another random
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stuff thrown in there and my catalog
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pared down just the way I like it and
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all my shortcuts
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trained the way I want them
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and it's free and it's open source can
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you design can you support them I mean I
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know you would never never do anything
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like supply would actually its life but
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if I felt like it would make a dent I
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don't think I ever have though I mean I
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would buy you quit over in a second
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I think I almost Watford and remember I
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think Alfred is was had some
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introductory price or whatever but I've
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never bought a launch bar because I've
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known that the upper right hand corner
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are centered in the middle has not been
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nice for me but Alfred is close because
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it does appear in the center it does
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have reasonably large icons but it also
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has a lot of text I don't I like the
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image centric nature of Quicksilver so
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that's why I keep using Quicksilver
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someday if it goes away or gets bad this
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is there's so many alternatives I'm sure
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I'll find one I like but for now I like
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Quicksilver and I've just never gone off
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and and I put always put command space
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to be Quicksilver I changed the
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spotlight shortcut to command control
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space so also is that mandatory ya know
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all my machines all my family's machines
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command space does Quicksilver even I
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put Quicksilver on on my parents Mac's
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all the time they've always had it I
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think they think it's part of the
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operating system they use it believe it
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or not you know like it's it's
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surprising once it's kind of like
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gestures once you actually the learning
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curve is huge like if you don't know
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it's there you'll never actually use it
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but my parents know if they want to
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launch something type command space and
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had the first few letters and hit return
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when you see the picture you want and
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even when they go to a Mac that's not
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there is this not configured in that way
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command space still does that it just
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appears in the spotlight menu and they
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you know they figure it out all it's a
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similar type of thing so 30 30 seconds
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pretty-pretty 30 seconds so is this I
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mean what are you saying that people
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should just should just go in and and
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try Quicksilver and then consider launch
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bar I don't know what to suggest for
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other mean you know you're they might
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not have these I think the efficiency of
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the big visual appearance of that icon
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is tremendous much better than anything
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that shows text or shows text
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prominently or requires any kind of
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reading I know you know how to read is
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not you can just glance and see the text
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changing and you're getting the one you
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want but I feel like it's actually
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inspiring me John you're inspiring me to
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consider trying
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Quicksilver again because I
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Bandon to sway and switch to launch bar
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a while back and I haven't even looked
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at Quicksilver in like year to year down
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a long time it hasn't changed much a
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load is being actively developed again
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but I mean the thing about launch bars
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it's just so much more than what I just
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described and so does Quicksilver for
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that matter but launch bar has many more
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features for in terms of matching
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documents or recent documents that you
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use I think it that Quicksilver and all
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these other things also do System
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Preferences which I do use it for as
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well but if you if you not if you don't
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have such a narrow needs if you did not
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just dedicate to using as an application
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go out and say oh you have to run quick
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you I think most people do that like did
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you go off Quicksilver because you felt
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like it was a txt mated you know yeah
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was it was abandoned nothing new was
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honest for a long time it seemed like
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the only changes that were happening
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with Quicksilver were focused on what
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like there were a whole bunch of themes
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there's like a little cube that would
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typing and it started reminding me the
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whole like Linux community with the e
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window manager for a while or whatever
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that thing was called enlightenment and
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it just it you know I said you know
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computer resources and the machines I
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limited and I thought this visual flair
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all this extra stuff all this stuff is
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it really you know is it really
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mandatory do I need it and then there
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was launch bar with this sort of
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minimalist aesthetic and it was a steer
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and it was it was nice it was just like
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wow you know this is
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do like I do like the the company that
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makes it so I just thought you know I'll
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do it but I do like what you're saying
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about the sort of visual simplicity of
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seeing the icons show up as you're
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typing and and and really odd the thing
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crazy things with LaunchBar integrating
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you know like I know people that you
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know for example they'll have and I
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think Merlin was even describing this on
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a recent show if I'm remembering right
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you know they'll have it set up so that
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you can key you know email things and
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send you trigger points to emails and
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then I really just use it as an
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application launcher and I realize I'm
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I'm under utilizing what launch bar and
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these other things can do but for me a
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lot of time I just want a lot I just
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want to launch an app you know or
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sometimes look up a look up look up a
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contact from address book Quicksilver
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can do that too right yeah quick stop we
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can do most of the things launch bar can
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do but it's kind of up to you to
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assemble from the little LEGO pieces the
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functionality you want I always find
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what the ones that do more that's why
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I've been aggressively paring things
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down and removing plugins don't you know
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removing features because I don't like
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even contacts I used to have in
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Quicksilver Lee so the contacts were
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part of the autocomplete but I remove
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that because if I ever saw a contact
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when I was talking about to launch an
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app it would piss me off it's like I
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just want to use it as a launcher the
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only thing I use it besides launching is
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if I want to find that application I use
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the get info reveal commands it reveals
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it in the finder mostly because I'm
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going to right-click and show package
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contents or something or like I thought
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I had that application where was it a
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command space type of few things tab
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down arrow return for you know reveal in
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finder that's that's the limit of what I
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do and one or two you know little
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special documents that I have like you
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know I know it's file or whatever that I
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launch frequently I have that actually
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explicitly added to the catalog file you
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can go to the Quicksilver catalog and
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add specific files that you want to find
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and just stick them in there for the
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visual stuff I have Quicksilver has this
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option that says use superfluous visual
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effects or something like that yeah I
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hate that I've always had that turned
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off always and yeah I did start to go
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crazy with like that one of the ones
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they had was like radial menus where it
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would array a bunch of options out in a
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our goal and you could Mouse to them or
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something or use the arrow key I've
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never had any of that enables just one
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little thing in the middle of the screen
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with icons command space type something
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return that's it but yeah I remember
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Merlin talking about what he does with
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lunch bar and once more on Quicksilver
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are both very capable of doing that type
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of stuff but that's not what I use them
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well okay then all right so I wasn't
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really that was a really really long
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long but really cool 30 seconds yeah I
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should add Quicksilver on my list
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because it's one of the few things
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that's been on my max since it was
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introduced and hasn't left mmm almost
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left but didn't quite well let's do a
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quick sponsor then all right we're still
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not even in we're just haven't even
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scratched the surface of the fu but
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we'll do sponsor anyway it's easy DNS
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they're providing the best support in
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the business when you call them then
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phone like the phone rings once or twice
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and a human being answers and they
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understand what you're talking about and
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they're content to help you whether you
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are an uber geek like John or whether
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you are just just wanting to do
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something basic doesn't matter they'll
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help you they'll help you do it or you
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can do it all in their website which is
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pretty darn amazing and they aren't
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reading from a script they they
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understand the business inside and out
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and you don't go around and around in
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circles and you can go to EZ DNS comm
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those and special things we have set up
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just for our listeners but why would you
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John why would you want to have an
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external a third-party DNS provider for
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example why why not just use your
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registrar and by the way their registrar
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too but why not just use Namecheap or
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GoDaddy or whoever free DNS why would
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you want something professional you know
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finding good dns providers is so hard
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you'll if you google for that and you'll
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see people asking about it all the time
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because there are so many bad ones hope
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you find a good one stick to it because
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they are rare and there are tons of bad
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ones and getting a bad one stinks
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because
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stuck with them usually for some period
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of time participate with all year you
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know these guys are great and highly
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recommend them really great interface
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and make it really super easy to
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transfer your DNS over to them and I'll
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tell you what the power of having your
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DNS in a place that you trust in place
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that you rely on means you can change
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your web host you can change your email
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providers you can change all of this
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stuff but your DNS stays the same it
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stays secure it stays where you put it
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you don't have to worry about your DNS
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going down if your registrar has a
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problem or gets hacked or something
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these guys are just too great they have
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amazing uptime check them out easy DNS
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comm / 5x5 make me want to change my DNS
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more I go changing I'm not gonna say who
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my current one is and it's not like
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they're bad because I've heard the
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horror stories from the bad ones kind of
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like yeah you know yeah go check him out
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and I actually I'll get I'll get you
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hooked up they would love to have you on
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there I'm sure they loved up a whole
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audience laughing nice I have so many
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domains this is something that geeks
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tend to have like we how many do you
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have right now right now too many my
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wife yells at me about how many domains
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I'm you're never gonna use that get rid
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of it achieve your goals
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someone else get it she sees the bills
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like what is this bill for what what
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domain is this she wants to know the
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exact domain because they're cheap but
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they add up you know yeah had a lot of a
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lot of domains right now I'm looking at
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just the ones I have on on one provider
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here I have 29 yes on one that's just on
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one that's not even on like you know the
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ones like like for awhile I was using
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GoDaddy I hate to admit it but I was
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using GoDaddy for a while and I've
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pretty much moved all the domains that I
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care about off of there with a few
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exceptions like there's a few that I
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registered for like three years
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that I'm just keeping there until you
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know until it's like closed expiring and
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then before it expires I'll get it I'll
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get it out of there at least you have a
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legitimate reason you have business that
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uses domain names I really have no
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nothing what do you mean tell me one of
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your worst ones that you're keeping for
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no reason
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my username that I had as an
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undergraduate I have that calm you want
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to share and then it's no I do not you
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yes see I only have six over it come to
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Hemi only six I how many did I say was
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the other one twenty twenty-nine so I've
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got 35 Oh
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what am I doing with 35 domains don't
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make sense hive logic comm that one
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makes sense you understand water i buy
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5.2 yeah those are those are important
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but I've got some funny ones let me tell
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me I'll tell you my most strangest one I
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have on there I have this is this was a
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great I see whenever I have an idea for
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like a cool business name I think you
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know I'll just all start up like a
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Holdings company with the weird business
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name and so I registered the domain
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immediately automatic pants not calm
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I've had for years I've had that for
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over ten years three different
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registrar's and like I would what is
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that business it's nothing I never
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started I know but I'd be a fairy like a
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Holderness company so like you'd
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automatically get pants I don't know I
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just really liked it I had arrived
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registered mouth of Brooklyn comm for
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Marco looking registered registered for
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him and you stole it from him so I
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registered it on his behalf if you would
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ever like it I'll talk about the legal
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system works I'll transfer it over him
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should he ever wanted you stole it
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you're a squatter is what you are twenty
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nine domain names all right let's move
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termination so there was a story on
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is a quitter yeah yeah I did read that
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so to review for the people who don't
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recall or blacked out since reading my
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line review and forgotten everything in
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Lion the relationship between running
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applications processes and the visual
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manifestations of those has changed so
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scenes it appeared in the doc and if you
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its icon there and then we just oh yeah
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missing yes the origins of that
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keyboard shortcuts from the the alt-tab
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world for Windows so in Lion now there
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that it supports Auto termination and
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what that means is it's telling the
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operating system if at any time you feel
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like you need me not to be running feel
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free to terminate me and reclaim my
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resources so it's not the line doesn't
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do this two random applications the
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application has to explicitly be written
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to tell Lion that this is okay and line
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uses a heuristic to decide whether
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that's something it should do and as I
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wrote in my review it's pretty
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conservative heuristic where it says
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that it can't be any visible Windows for
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this application
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you can't currently be using it and
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there was some of the criteria that I
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can't remember but it's sort you know
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it's not like you're going to be using
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an application or even looking at a
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window and suddenly will disappear it
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has to be completely invisible not on
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the screen and you're not currently
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using and then the if you put the system
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under memory pressure for example I
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operate system will say okay well I'm
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under memory pressure and here's this
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application it's not visible and not
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currently being used I will quit that
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one now the other feature of Lion that
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applications the support order
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termination are also supposed to support
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although I guess they it's not mandatory
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but the idea is that they should support
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this is the resume feature so that if
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the user doesn't realize that the system
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quit that particular application and
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clicks on at the end to go back to it it
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should launch back to its previous state
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so you don't lose anything so all your
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open documents is still there you didn't
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have to worry about unsaved changes blah
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blah blah so it's very difficult to
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correctly support our termination
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without supporting resume as well and
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there's another twist on this is that
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Lion doesn't necessarily kill the UNIX
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process associated with that application
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it may leave the process running but
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remove the manifestations of that
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application in the UI so it won't appear
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in alt tab anymore if you have the dots
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turned on it won't have a dot under it
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in the dock but the process associated
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with the application is still running so
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the next time you launch it launch
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quote-unquote
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it will simply spring back to life
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instantly because it was never actually
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exited so that what I said in the review
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is that you can have applications
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without processes where you think you're
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running it but really the process is
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gone and processes without applications
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where you have a process but there's no
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there's no indication that the
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application is still running it
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disappears from all of your different
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scenarios now what they're trying to
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move towards is a situation like an iOS
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where iOS you don't know or aren't
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supposed to know really whether
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applications are running in autumn and
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you do that double tap multitasking
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thing all you see is a it's like least
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most recently used ordered list of
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applications and you tap on them and
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they either launch or resume or you know
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just switch back the application you're
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not supposed to know whether always it
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running before did it just launch him
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and you can kind of tell based on how
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long it takes to come up whether it was
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running already or not but it's not
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something the user is supposed to know
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ideally but the thing about iOS is that
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it's completely consistent when you
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double tap that thing you see the list
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of all the applications that you've used
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in the order that you use them
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regardless of which ones are running or
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not but there are aspects of the Mac
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os10 UI even line that don't behave that
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way so for example the alt tab switcher
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when the process goes away whether it
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was auto terminated by by you know line
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or whatever it's not in the alt tab
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switcher anymore it still would be in
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the iOS which is not on the alt tab
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switcher and the same thing with the
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dock if you have an application that has
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a permanent home in the dock yeah it'll
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still be in the dock but if you have an
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application that was just transiently in
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the dock and it got auto terminated it
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will be gone from the dock and you can't
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even go back and click on it so those
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two parts of the lying UI don't work
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like the equivalent part in iOS but the
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process model where the OS has the right
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to terminate a process that's not being
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used does work that way you're saying
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it's at half it's a half-baked
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implementation this way it's not
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half-baked it would work except for to
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get because the like I said the the rule
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making is very conservative like well do
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you really care if lion kills a process
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that has no visible windows you know and
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it's not the front most application well
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obviously you're not using it so it
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shouldn't be a big deal but what has
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come up in the case of a couple of
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Apple's own applications is that
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apparently there's no time limit on that
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so he was a that was describing a
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scenario where he would
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have no open windows in application and
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do like commando to open something and
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say oh wait a second I forgot about
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something hit escape cancel that go back
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to what you were doing and it's okay now
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I can go back to TextEdit and open it
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but in the two seconds that he's that he
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switched away from text editor do
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something else during those two seconds
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text said it wasn't the frontmost
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application didn't have any visible
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windows didn't have anyone those at all
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and lion came along and reclaimed it and
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so then TextEdit isn't running anymore
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like wait a second text that it was
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running two seconds ago did he crash I I
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my thing that I came work for this
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article from was that I didn't realize
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the system would do that I thought there
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had to be some sort of timer like oh and
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also you haven't used it in like a
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minute or 60 seconds or two minutes like
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some sort of time lag so it is not just
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like I stepped away for two seconds when
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I came back the application was gone
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that seems like I I think they can they
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can get away with this sort of half
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measure because I don't think for
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example that people would like the alt
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tab switcher to behave like the iOS one
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where applications just simply don't go
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away from there they just become
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unordered because that becomes a too
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unwieldy you know and I always said
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works because you're kind of swiping
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through the stuff or whatever but that
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alt tab thing you can't just have a
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continuous list of all the applications
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you've ever longed for launched right
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Riis or tit into you know the order on
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your most recently used yeah it's not
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I've asked a bunch of people John what
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what they actually use the process
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switcher in iOS for like how many people
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like are you using it to actually go
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back and find older apps that you
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launched and time and time again people
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answer the the same way that I use it
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which is the same way that the John
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Gruber told me he uses it by doing it's
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just the most common is is that you're
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going back to switch to the last app
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that you had maybe maybe the what the
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last two apps like so let's just let's
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just make believe that you were going
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back and forth between mail and you
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wanted to send somebody a clipping from
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an article so you'd you'd want you'd
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launch the Mobile Safari you'd find the
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article and then you double click the
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home button and go back to mail paste it
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in then like it's usually it's switching
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back and forth between the last mail you
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know the last app usually mHealth and
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whatever other app you're grabbing
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something from and that's like that time
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and time again that's what people said
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they were using it
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just almost like they're just you
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they're always going to that bottom
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left-hand corner to grab the most recent
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app that's it that's all they're doing
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they're not really going back through
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that lit where's on a computer but very
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frequently you'll switch between one two
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three four apps all at the same time
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especially if your developer doesn't use
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case right on iPhones you can't see that
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many icons anyway see what you see four
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or five right so that's that's pretty
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much the limit of where you're gonna use
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now I didn't
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since my ipod doesn't support
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multitasking because it's a second gen
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the first time I really got to use
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multitasking in earnest was at WWC one
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at the iPad 2 there and I found myself
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using most maybe the four or five I was
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bouncing around between a lot of
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applications was bouncing between
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Simplenote Twitter my I am application
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email Safari so that's five right there
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just bouncing around them pretty much
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randomly so I was using good four or
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five of those I guess I never scrolled
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it never went off to the next screen to
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find that because if it's off that if
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it's off that little list I might as
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well just go back to the home screen
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where I know where stuff is but I do
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find that that model does work for me in
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iOS where it's just especially the
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reordering by at least recently used
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because if you if I do get into a
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sequence where I'm bouncing back and
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forth between you know simple note and
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Twitter I want it to reflect that simple
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don't Twitter will quickly bubble up to
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the top of you know the left side of the
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list and I'll go back and forth between
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them but if I'm bouncing around between
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three of them they'll shuffle up to the
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front you know it it's an adaptive
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authoring type of thing that works for
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me but in Mac OS 10 I think the most
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common command tab thing is to go back
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and forth between two two applications
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so you go to one then you command tab
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and find the other one and then after
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that it's just one command tab to bounce
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do anything more than quick switches
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back and forth I'm going to switch to an
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arbitrary application I use the dock for
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that or drag thing depending on where my
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processed oculus just the running
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applications and there in the upper
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micro is eight days eight point five
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come to as a necklace remember that I
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think it was I
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that it was some kind of extension or
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add-on that came as part of Microsoft
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Office oh no no it was part of the I was
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co-opted it was co-opted in I think it
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was an ally sure pretty sure was an
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apple remembering this stuff but I could
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have sworn that like it was part of
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office I mean there's a chatroom no I
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mean I'm ready to be wrong on this one
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but they're saying I was eight five so I
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thought coulda sworn it can't I read
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because I remember here's what I
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remembers I remember installing office
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my you know in our work group in our
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work group of Macs
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you knew immediately the people who had
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office installed because this little
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this little switcher would be up in the
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menu bar it wasn't in the menu it was a
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palette that you could make that would
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have a little usually I have mine
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configured to be 16 by 16 icons of all
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the running applications I think I'm one
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of them never know I know it now I know
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what you're trying so I had that going
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in the upper right corner was you're
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right you're right I missed that thing
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so I used reg thing drive soon as I went
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away I you can make drag thing to almost
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anything and I made drag thing I did too
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although now mine are 32 by 32 icons
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because of icon inflation but if I could
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not have the doc as I think I've said
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before if I could not have the doc
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visible on the screen at all I would do
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that but you can't because doc is the
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only thing you can get notifications
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like badges and you know bouncing and
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all the other business and I need to I
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want to see those badges and I want to
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see when they bounce and because Apple
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has that API completely wrapped up and
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doesn't allow third parties to access it
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I have to have both dragged thing and
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the doc visible which then extremely
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annoying you're crazy
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the thing is if I don't run drag thing
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my mouse goes that upper right-hand
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corner it tries to switch to stuff like
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I guess my mouse is always hovering
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around the upper right more than it is
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down at the bottom one if I have to drag
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my mouse all way down to the bottom to
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arbitrarily switch between applications
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without all tapping like random access I
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want to have you know my I am app come
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to the front it's much faster for me to
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do it with drag thing you know and the
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right thing just grows in one direction
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doesn't move around based on minimize
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windows or anything else like that so
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yeah how did we get onto that
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termination yeah so the I think this is
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a solvable problem I don't think as some
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people have said see the iOS model can't
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work on Mac os10 it I think this is
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solvable with just better rules because
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it's fine if it doesn't do something
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unexpected like if I don't if I launched
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TextEdit to quickly edit like I do my
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show notes in sex ed if I launch test at
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TextEdit to do my show notes and then
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like two days later I hadn't used
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TextEdit and TextEdit had since been
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quit by the system's here to reclaim
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resources I wouldn't notice and I
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wouldn't care the next time I needed to
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launch TextEdit I probably wouldn't even
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remember that I used to have it in the
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dock you know what I mean
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but it has to be it has to be that the
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rules have to be better about when it
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thinks it's expected to versus
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unexpected especially for Apple II it
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would be best if it had an awareness of
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is this application permanently in the
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dock you know you can't tell by looking
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at it but some of your applications have
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you were to quit them they'll stay in
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the dock because they're permanently
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placed there that will happen if you
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move one manually once it's running it
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will become permanently placed or if you
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say you know keeping the dock or
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whatever or you drag you there without
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launching it now many different ways it
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can stay in the dock right I think it's
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better to kill one of those off because
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at least then it's still in the dock
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when the person goes back to it they may
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click on it and they might not even know
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that it was killed that'll say I was
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taking a while to switch to that
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application then I would launch right I
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think there has to be a time limit you
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know even if it has no open windows
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completely in the background you switch
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away for two seconds the system should
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not kill that and especially it should
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not kill it if your system is not under
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memory pressure which I imagine that
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system was not under memory pressure why
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would it be from you know going wait for
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two seconds all of a sudden thinks it
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needs ran back you know I never tend to
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have a lot of RAM in their systems
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anyway I would say don't kill a lot the
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process unless you actually need the
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resources and unless all the current
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rules apply and it had there's been no
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interaction with that application from
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the user for X amount of time one minute
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two minute five minutes something like
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that it just needs a better set of rules
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I think so I'm I think this and also the
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great thing about this is that it's
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opt-in and on a per application basis so
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if you're writing a type of application
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where you never want to be killed like
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an IM application I don't think an IMAP
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Legation which should read your who's
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registered
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for determination because even if known
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has touched that I in application in 24
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hours people don't want their I am
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application being terminated by the
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system exactly available to give I am so
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I might be an urgent urgent message
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waiting to happen right it's not like
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iOS burns
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os wide policy where though you have no
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choice in iOS you're going to get killed
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if the system needs memory tough luck
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Mac os10 I think they have struck the
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right balance about this being opt in
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and their real set is almost where it
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should be I think they just need to
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tweak so I expecting a point release
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they may change us and as I said in my
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review once one thing they may be going
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for here is the idea what of Windows
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switchers who expect it when you close
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the last document the application quits
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that's kind of a text edit behaves now
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because if you close the last document
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so which away from TextEdit and a couple
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of seconds TextEdit is going to quit
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right people window switchers may think
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that's correct behavior Oh Mac people
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are going to be pissed and I think even
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Windows Twitter's will eventually
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realize that's kind of annoying because
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what if you just switched away for a
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second and you come bettin you want to
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come back to it and open something and
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the application is gone especially if it
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doesn't have a permanent home in your
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dock which I imagine TextEdit doesn't
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for most people that's then you gotta go
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find it to get to go wherever recent
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applications in a worst case man space
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TX return you're going to get a lot of
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people using a keyboard based launch
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bars launch launchers after this I think
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which is a good thing I don't know how
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like look whenever I sit down at a
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machine it doesn't have launch bar or
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Quicksilver or something running that's
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like that's like you know whenever I get
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a new machine a lot of people have been
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reading about on on the internet or
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saying oh I'm doing if the first clean
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install I've done in decades I think
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Marco is even blogging about this Marco
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host of build and analyze on this
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network was saying oh I'm going to do a
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clean install like I always do a clean
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install like every single time it's then
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we should talk about this on a whole
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show a little bit more than we have in
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the past but that is to say the lion is
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the first operating system that I have
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not done a fully clean install with it
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and I've done that every single time and
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that's only because I didn't go out and
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buy a DVD I had to make one so I've done
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a clean install on all the other
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machines that I've done but every every
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time I do I always do clean install
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always do a clean install you're crazy
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always do clean I don't want those get
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garbage apps hang
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for decades and weird settings and plist
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files and cruft and I'll go in and I and
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I try and run John I try and run as much
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of a stock machine as I can when I sit
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down at a machine you would think that I
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just got this machine I haven't even
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been using it and I might have been
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using it for a year
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I put the fewest apps on as I possibly
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can I do I work as long as I can without
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installing any apps or any customization
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to doing anything like I'll change the
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desktop to the grey or to the blue and
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that's that's like that's the only thing
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I'll put the dock on the right hand side
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where it belongs and then I'll install
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some kind of keyboard launcher and then
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and that's it I try to go with it and
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obviously you know within a few hours I
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have BBEdit on there but I tried I try
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to just go as stock as possible minimal
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as possible
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don't don't run star don't even install
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an app until I really need it so I
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absolutely can't do without it how many
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apps you have on is different from
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whether you do a clean install you and
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always upgrade now I don't want I don't
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want you having that cruft I don't want
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any old settings I don't want any
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preferences I want to see what what is
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it what is Apple what does Steve think I
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should what my experience should be like
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let's start with that and anything that
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I don't like of course I have veto power
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to my machine will override it and
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change it back but who wants all those
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old settings hanging our animal at crap
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what a decision I made for myself three
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years ago is still valid today false so
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you know I used to back in the classic
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days I would do when there was an OS
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upgrade I would try to do a sort of
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clean install this I sound insane but
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this is what I did back then I would
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install the new operating system on to a
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new driver partition but I would I still
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have my old set up there and then I
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would manually merge the old setups and
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the new setups manually merge the system
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folders by dragging out the files that I
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knew needed to be in a certain location
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to manually merge all the units all the
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because I mean I think about it now is
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insane that is this even work but
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eventually you sort of learn the exact
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subset of things that you need to move
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is this part of the old operating system
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installed them where does it go and will
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work on the new system I did that manual
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merge upgrade from 1984 until Mac OS 10
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came out
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on my Blume yg3 was getting kind of
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tedious but it worked well for me
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because I wouldn't bring along the
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Preferences for the apps that I didn't
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use anymore like oh I'm not going to run
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that anymore I don't need that
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preference you know and I would and I
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would have a clean install you know and
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I could slowly build up to it to see if
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I broke something well let me drag that
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back but usually it was just a one-shot
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one-day type of operation I wouldn't do
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it now though but when Mac os10 came
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along I started doing upgrade installs
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where when the new version came out I
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installed on top of the old version and
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that is all I have ever done and I have
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never had a problem doing Mac OS 10
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upgrade install I always just felt right
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on top of my other disk you know it's
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like John we moved you know we moved
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from Florida to Texas moved Austin and
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we tried to really weed out everything
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we didn't absolutely need to take with
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us and what I must have done five
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carloads to the goodwill of just
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donating stuff and then when all our
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stuff got here I there's still what is
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all this crap what is this crap I don't
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want this we didn't donate this we still
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have this what is this here for you know
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just everything every time I go up I'm
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like why did I bring these t-shirts I
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don't ever want to see these again well
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they're good t-shirts right but sure I
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could have donated them to Goodwill so
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now I'm don't any more stuff to Goodwill
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that I paid to bring here and that's how
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I feel with the you have this giant
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payload of stuff that you might not
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really need so why bring it over well
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here's why because the trade-off in this
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situation is very different than the
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moving situation the trade-off for me I
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think and I think even for you if you
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think about it between especially for
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preferences and settings and stuff
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between these microscopic relatively
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speaking plist files the the burden that
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they have that they're in the hidden
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folder now you can't even see the
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library folder they're buried in there
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they're tiny files and not taking up
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your disk base yes their clutter you
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know if you know they're all is a plist
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for an application I ran through user or
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do I need that anymore no right so
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that's the that's the negative right
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from the positive side is if you happen
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to launch that application that you
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haven't launched in a while and all your
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old settings are there to me the value
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of not having to reset those preferences
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or not realizing they're not it's not
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set up the way I want it anymore it's so
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tremendously outweighing the negative
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value of this 3k file on my to Tara
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white hard drive you know what I mean
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it's not a science I want well it size
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or number are like clutter like I don't
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care that's why I have a big hard drive
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I want if I could have and I was said
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like I wouldn't have to bring over my
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settings in the classic Mac OS world if
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I didn't think I was gonna use an
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application anymore
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in practice the only time I ever did
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that was like if I had a new version of
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Office I wouldn't bring over the
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Preferences for the old version right
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but I kept like even up to maybe a year
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ago I think I had preference files in my
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Mac os10 preference folder for classic
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Mac OS games like Silurian 2 or
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something you know that had just moved
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with me through the ages
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just in case ever launched that thing
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again or just in case of one of the
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Preferences or one of my high score file
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or one of my save filing the the
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tremendous value of those little tiny
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you know kilobyte files is so huge to me
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that and the disk space cost and you
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know clutter is so negligible I say
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bring them all along because I do
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configure my system the way I want it I
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customized a lot I don't realize how
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much I customized till I go on to a
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bare-bones system and then I try to use
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it and realize oh my god I customized
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almost everything on this I didn't even
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realize this was a default how do people
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even use this I mean from stuff like the
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translucent menu bar you know when I
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went it you know that's like the the tip
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of the iceberg on the number of things
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that I don't even realize that I change
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it like the double arrows on both ends
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which I have in Snow Leopard I I can't
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stand using system out those of course
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line eliminates that entirely by not
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having any arrows but that's I think
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we've already talked about on on a
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previous show but no I'd always do
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upgrade installs I haven't had any
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problems with it ever people who it's
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kind of like the permissions you know
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repair permissions voodoo but they're
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like oh you have to do a clean install
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or it won't work
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it's it'll work fine it will don't worry
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about don't worry about the Preferences
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files cluttering stuff up if you keep a
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clean system and you upgrade install the
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clean system it'll still be clean right
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you know don't have 20 applications on
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there then you won't have a lot of
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preferences and then when you do the
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upgrade install it's not going to add
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new preference this is going to it's
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going to overwrite your old preferences
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for energy saver or whatever with the
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new versions or it'll read your old
[TS]
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preference it's like it's not it doesn't
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add up all right so if you decide to use
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which i think is a reasonable practice
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especially for portables i think it's
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good to do this your practice of don't
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put every application in the world on
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there just pull them on you know demand
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page your applications in
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and when you need one install it but
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keep it to a minimal system and don't
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tweak stuff tweak like the three things
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that no you must change the change
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desktop background change the the menu
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bar change the scrolling speed the mouse
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tracking and like three other things and
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then you know you're all set I would
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still say that it would annoy me if I
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had to set up a new machine and change
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all those settings like what was my old
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Mouse tracking was at this so this
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actually feels a little bit faster maybe
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I had a wrong key I go three I like that
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I like that the re-evaluation at that
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cost I don't like you know I'm fine with
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certain things being the way they are
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but now maybe maybe there's something I
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was missing out like this like this
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window zooming that we turn it off I
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turned I turned it back on you're out of
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control
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I turned it back on why because I felt
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like you know I didn't maybe I didn't
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give it enough chance like it was open
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it was so it made me feel so sick to my
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stomach that I just instantaneously
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turned it off and I said you know what
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wait a minute what am I so scared of let
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me see what is exactly Steve wants me to
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try here so I kind of turned it back on
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and then you know it's not so bad I mean
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I I didn't know how to turn it off for
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the months I was using the dev builds
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and that was enough to sour me on it
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forever maybe it's because I was
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creating lots of new windows while
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testing maybe I don't know but yeah I'm
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gonna have it off and I'm never going to
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look back same thing with the
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translation menu bar I'm not going to
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revisit though you know what no I that
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I'm with you there that's something
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that's just silly it's horrible it's
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pretty silly all right so the wait a
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minute let's do is I can sponsor its
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campaign monitor now these guys just
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second it's not a word that's normally
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in my vocabulary gorgeous they send over
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they send over some you know points that
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they want me to use but you know maybe
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you could talk but I'll you know what
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I'll use it they have released a
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gorgeous update to their email editor
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it's true then lists lets you design
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there you can also catch a demo of their
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cool it's amazing
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and this will be in action at the same
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calm thanks very much to them for making
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it possible I'll have a smorgasbord of
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other topics we can go to so many that
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we didn't get to I'll rattle some off
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and you pick whichever one you think
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will fit in our scant remaining time
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sure um Ark won't fit so forget about
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that people really want the ark I know I
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really want the ark they were very I
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just listening for the record a lot of
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people very upset with me that I
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discouraged you from talking about Ark
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so I'll put it right myself why don't we
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just do a whole show just about Ark it
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won't be that long but we'll get to it
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but it's not enough time now BBEdit
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versus textmate iCloud Web Apps patents
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markdown is too long yeah so those are
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your choices doesn't happen thank God
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Web Apps BBEdit versus textmate what can
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we do in 15 10 15 minutes Oh any of
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those I think I can do really and you
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thought you could do the other thing in
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30 seconds look at that yes I'm
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notoriously bad at knowing how long
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give me my choices again I heard patents
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I heard BBEdit versus textmate those
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could you kind of jumped out at me
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iCloud Web Apps mmm I know we could do
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that in 15 minutes but I want to save
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that cuz I haven't really gotten to dive
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in with those yet all right so do you
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want let's do the BBEdit textmate
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textmate discussion because i after this
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i don't want ever talk about that again
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yeah that's why I think I'd only think
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for new ministries you did talk about it
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a lot that's why it's even on my list
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hearing everyone else okay let's get
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let's let's uh you know how like it have
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you ever you ever eaten something that
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didn't agree with you and you can you
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can feel your stomach starting to get
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upset and you know that and until your
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body finally gets to the point where
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it's just gonna barf out everything you
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just ate that you're going to be really
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unpleasant but after you barf
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after that the vomit is gone and you're
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done that you're gonna feel you'll feel
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human again you'll feel great again this
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is how I feel about this discussion
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let's do it I didn't get a verse like
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you're describing what it feels like
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these VI
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no guys find that was actually apropos
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for Emacs no all right it's your VI guy
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of course because I'm sane rational and
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intelligent no no I can't believe here
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well does that fit with Buddhism I guess
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it kind of does anyway I don't I don't
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want a text editor to control the
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lighting in my house for example so I
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have no use for Emacs says the guy who
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is using text mate for years because it
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duplicates you're typing down columns
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when you can and you can make HTML just
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like your hero DHH yeah you ever use
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those features of text native matters
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it's not a memory and CPU going into
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making textmate work thanks Emacs look
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like I am a BB edit user I always have
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been I also I used text made with rails
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because there was a period of very dark
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time period for BBEdit where you could
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not easily and and with the you know two
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clicks open an entire folder now you can
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and that is called the Dan Benjamin
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feature ask the BBEdit people if that is
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not called the Dan Benjamin feature that
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is the Dan Benjamin feature they built
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that just for me and that allowed me to
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return to BB edit for a hundred percent
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of my text editing all right so go go
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ahead let's talk about yet in text me so
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every night I have been using BB edit
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since it had an awesome icon that wasn't
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twisted since I guess version 2 you
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don't you don't like the new icon I
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don't like that it's twisted I don't use
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that icon I use a custom icon it's not
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twisted should be straight up and down
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but yeah BBEdit since I guess maybe
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version 2.5 ages and ages ago and
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classic Mac OS using BB edit I don't
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even know how I came to use it or where
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I heard of it it's just sort of always
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been there it's my Texas it's the first
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text editor I didn't when I didn't know
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what a text editor was BBA was the first
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one I ever used and so BBA what is that
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I guess you call that a text editor like
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I had no awareness of VI or Emacs so you
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know my kid when this came out and so
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that's what I use now and and what
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distinguished it from teach text or
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simple text teach text Google that kids
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was that it was unstyled text you were
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making plain text files that was that
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sooner text a text editor from something
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they can do fonts or RTF or tables or
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you know anything
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Microsoft Word anything like that now
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someone had a question to chatroom that
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we wanted to address here about changing
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the app icons they wanted to ask if you
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could change the application icon
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without baking breaking the code
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signature like so Mac OS 10 applications
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are signed now and it's supposed to be
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able to have something tampers with them
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so if you launch into the signature is
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invalid because someone tampered with
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the executable like you got hacked by a
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virus or something like you would know
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about it would say the signatures bad so
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when you sign an application you can
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also put exclusions in there you can say
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well you know the executable is
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important and this this and this file
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and the nib file and so on and so forth
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but you can also say but if someone
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changes the icon doesn't matter it
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doesn't change our application signature
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like that there's no there's no way you
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could hack me through this you can
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exclude files from the signature now I
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don't know BB a does that all I know is
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that I've been changing the icon to BB
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edit ever since it twisted and it has
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never complained to me so I'm assuming
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the icon is excluded from the
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application signature all right so
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anyway I was using BB edit for years and
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years then I discovered the world of
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UNIX and then you discover the world of
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UNIX you quickly discover VI Emacs
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I quickly mined in Emacs direction for
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reasons that I want to get into now
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because that's a whole other thing
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though yeah ah because you like to
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control the lighting in your house ya
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know so before the Emacs thing there was
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a cup at least one other text editor
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that appeared on the Mac that I tried
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alongside BBEdit I believe it was called
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alpha do you remember that hmm no I
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don't so this this had I figure what the
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icon was maybe like a ugly TLA or
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something like that but the thing that
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distinguished it from BB I did was
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similar type of thing like a text editor
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programming type thing but the thing to
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distinguish it was it was programmable
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with tickle I believe of all things so
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that you could extend the text editor by
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writing little programs and you know in
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Emacs fashion now I'd never heard you
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max before up to that point but you know
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so alpha was kind of not as stable to be
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be edited not as nice an interface not
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as robust and the programming thing was
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a little bit too complicated for me and
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BB I did most of the stuff I wanted off
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the bat anyway so I didn't really deal
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with it but when I discovered Emacs
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Emacs and now for both examples of what
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I like to call programmable text editors
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that everybody calls programmable text
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editors where
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Emax that you know people say it's an
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operating system or it's big and bloated
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this was back in the days when machines
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had four megabytes of RAM and he was
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bloated in those days but I Emacs didn't
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get any bigger but machines got way
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bigger so you max is not bloated anymore
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but think about
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but think about
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max that makes people think it's like
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you were to saying controlling lights in
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your houses that it's a programmable
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text editor people say it's an operating
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system not a text editor it is literally
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an environment an environment in which
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you can write programs so you can make
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Emacs do anything within the bounds of
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the user interface it provides for you
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so if if you want something to happen
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inside a window involving text and
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you're willing to program it you can
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make Emacs do it it is extensible by the
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user and there's no distinction really
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between the things that come with email
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acts and things that you program so for
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example in Emacs when you know you
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control e to go to the end of line you
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could write the go to end of line
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routine and bind it to control e and
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yours would have you know the built-in
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one is no more built-in than yours is
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you know implementation wise it may be a
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difference but it's completely level
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playing field in terms of how the text
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editor works and what it does and this
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is allow people to build essentially
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applications on top of you max like Elm
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not Elma no good news rather am I saying
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that right someone's gonna tell me
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tonight that's my shoes I think I knew
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it yeah so as a male and I say Elm
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because it's a male thing a male and
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news reader inside Emacs and there are
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shell things and there are the modes for
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doing HTML and tons of programming modes
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where you hit the tab key and it
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magically Rhian dents all your code and
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syntax highlighting and all you know so
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anything you can it's it's
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turing-complete like so if if you want
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something to happen when you hit a key
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you can program Emacs to do that just
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now the VI is very different for other
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reasons in terms of the interface and
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the modes and all that stuff but VI is
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less of a programmable text editor it's
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more of a a text editor built for some
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particular philosophy with a set of
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features that you can extend you know by
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making your no settings and preferences
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in a certain way but as far as I know it
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is not programmable in the same way as
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the Azim axis and I think this is the
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big distinction between things like
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BBEdit textmate and I guess VI and
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things like Emacs alpha and any other
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programmable text editors out there now
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I think this is distinction is important
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because one of the knocks against BBEdit
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is that
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it doesn't have a lot of the features
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that insert your favorite text editor
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here has so if your favorite text editor
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is Emacs then you can basically say
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every text editor existence doesn't have
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whatever features you like because if
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anything is exists in text editing you
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can do it in Emacs like well I really
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like it when I type this key for this to
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happen and why is it happening that way
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well because I have is da TL file that I
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wrote or I Karl called it from somebody
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or I found somewhere on the net 10 years
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ago and it does that
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Kandice VBA to do that well bb8 it's not
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a programmable text editor even though
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it has an extension mechanism but you
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can write scripts and do stuff or
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whatever it is not like literally
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programmable at the same level as Emacs
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so BB edit doesn't do that thing that
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you want to do and none of the built-in
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features can be bound to that keystroke
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or you can't bind a keystroke to a
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script that does the thing that you want
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to do or it's unfeasible to have a
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script executed every time you hit that
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command you know you can say well well
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no it doesn't and the odds are very high
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that if you're a heavy Emacs user and
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you've tailed your environment your
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specific needs you're gonna have things
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that you really really like to do that
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are not built into bb-8 and millions of
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other UMAX users like you have their pet
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features that aren't going to be in
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now text and text might did a whole
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bunch of stuff that also was in vb i
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just mentioned the the stuff they see on
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this on the rails demo of repeating the
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the text in multiple columns you know
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saving you work or bouncing HTML tags
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automatically or tabbing through the
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attributes of an HTML tag or all sorts
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of stuff that was built into text made
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textmate was also more programmable than
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BBEdit not as programmable zmax but the
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the mechanism through which you extend
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text mate was more flexible than what
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bb-8 did they have those bundles where
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you had you could have our but not
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arbitrary code but close to arbitrary
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things happening in response to
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keystrokes in particular contexts now
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the the business about what context are
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you in and what language em in in this
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particular place and what bundles are
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active for this language and stuff like
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that that's built into text innate in
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the Emacs world even that concept would
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be programmable so text made is not as
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originally defined as VB etagere you
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so that foster this big community of
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Texan I'd bundles so that you know the
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doing the beginning people made more of
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those things and I pass them around so
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it was kind of like Emacs on training
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wheels where you didn't have to know a
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lisp and be a real programmer to do even
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relatively simple things you you could
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you could write your own simple bundle
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pretty easily you could look at someone
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else's bundle and figure out how to
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write one and make one so that sort of
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gave text made a letter a leg up and I
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think that is still the strength of text
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made any max versus BBEdit in it if
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there's a particular thing that you want
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to do in BBEdit and it doesn't fit into
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BBS extension mechanisms you're kind of
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stuck and that makes people say well I
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feature and I couldn't figure out how to
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add it and so I switched back and I can
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sympathize with that because it's the
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same way with me with some of BiBi at
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its features where bebe ADA has some
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built-in features that I use frequently
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and I'll go to text mate and say all
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text mate doesn't have that built-in
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feature though so yeah but you can get
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this bundle and combine it with that
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bundle and kind of approximated and it's
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like but I don't know I don't have that
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knowledge upfront I don't know what
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those bundles are where they are and I
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don't want to put in the work to do and
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BBEdit already does out of the box and
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it's a built-in feature you know so I
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think text editors tend to isolate us
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into little islands where we get stuff
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the way we want it and as long as that
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Island doesn't sink into the ocean text
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our thing
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but it doesn't mean that there's not you
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know regardless of the things that keep
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us on our little islands there each text
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Center has individual strengths and
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weaknesses for me the biggest strengths
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of BBEdit
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ignoring like how its actively developed
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and you know they fix bugs and so on and
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so forth like that and also ignoring
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like the carbon versus cocoa 64-bit
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business the big thing of BBEdit that
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I've always loved is that it's been
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reliable and powerful what I mean by
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powerful is that I routinely opened
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files with hundreds of thousands of
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lines of text in them you know megabyte
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files I haven't think I've opened a
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gigabyte one yet but if I did I would
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just assume it would work in BBEdit
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I do that all the time log files other
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things like copying and pasting I have a
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the unlimited scroll back setting on my
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terminal windows so I'll frequently be
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tailing a log that's getting a lot of
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activity I'll do select all copy
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then command option shift n to make a
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new document with the contents of the
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clipboard that's all you know reflexive
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that's an example for example a feature
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that I would want to have or create in
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any other text editor the ability to
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quickly create a document with the
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contents of the clipboard and have it
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bound to that exact command go that's my
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muscle memory but anyway I do that and
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sometimes I don't even think about what
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I'm doing it just happens instantly it's
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really fast and then I'll be at the
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bottom of the document and and the line
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number counter will say seven hundred
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thousand three hundred and thirty two
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and I realize I just I just copied and
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pasted it's seven hundred thousand lines
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of text into a document and then I'll
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just do process lines and like you know
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modify those lines with a regular
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expression BBEdit Schwartz Pro regular
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expressions which as you can imagine I
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love because I I know Perl and I know
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that regular expressions I have Perl
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script filters that I run on things like
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that it's very high performance with
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very huge files and that's one of the
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knocks against textmate historically it
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was text made one in the early days
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especially was it was really bad
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performance with large files and that's
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just a non-starter for me that that
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stops me from using the application
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because you know if it beachballs like
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that though I've never seen TextEdit
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beachball because I haven't used it
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it was densely enough to to see it do
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that but I've heard people say oh I
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pasted in a few thousand lines and the
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beach balls forget it I wouldn't I would
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never launch that application again in
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my astute work it has to be reliable and
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it has to be high performance really
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really big files another thing is like
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the multi file search or maybe edit
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other editors have multi file search ppi
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it's multi file search is fast fast
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shows me the results in a nice compact
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way BBEdit diff with the character level
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diffs these your features I use every
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day I do huge documents I want to see
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the character ranges I want to be able
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to go down through with it with the
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arrow keys and push changes back and
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forth integrated into the application a
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quick way to diff the frontmost to
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documents like it's all part of my
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workflow but the thing that keeps me
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going back to BBEdit is that it is a tie
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performance it's like it's like a
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programmer serious tool and a lot of the
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things that are dings against BBEdit
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have to do with its nature as that type
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of high performance tool so what I
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imagine text makes problem is when you
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paste in huge amounts of text it may
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just be there using the standard text
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control at least they were back in the
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early days but textmate has an awareness
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of within a document what are the
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what is the syntax in this range and you
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know what bundles apply here and so on
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and so forth and that requires some sort
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of dynamic processing of the content of
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the document and maybe they're doing in
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a naive way or whatever but BBEdit
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unconstrained by those things bb-8 has a
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global switch for what language document
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is in it allows you to splat a bunch of
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text there without having the editor say
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like I got a parse all this text and try
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to highlight the keywords or figure out
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what fold I'm in or where the curly
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braces are or if this is balanced or not
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a so on and so forth that there's a
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trade-off between figure out the syntax
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of the thing that's in this document and
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do smart things based on that and be
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really fast and currently BBEdit swings
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heavily under the be really fast side
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now I'm the first one to complain to
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bare bones and stuff that's hey I want
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this cool feature from text made or
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Emacs where it has an awareness of what
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language I'm in and it gives me
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completions based on that and I can have
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a multi-language document and language
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is not a global setting all right I
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asked for those features because I'm
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just complaining user and I want
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everything right but the current
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situation I believe that the lack of a
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lot of those features is one of the
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things that makes BB yet it's so darn
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fast and reliable so I think there
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should be a balance struck somewhere in
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the middle but textmate is way over to
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the other side of this continuum and
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right now despite BB edits failings in
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these few areas it's the one that I
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continue to use it's same thing with
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Emacs like Emacs C pearl mode and Emacs
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has better magical indenting and key
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wording and stuff like that and I kind
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of missed that in BBEdit
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but on the other hand Emacs even little
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dinky mess can feel slower when I'm
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doing that and I really don't like it
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when I type a key in a text editor and a
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whole bunch of stuff appears like when
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you want it it's cool and magical when
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you're doing a demo it looks awesome but
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when you accidentally hit return and it
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doubled matches your curly braces and
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puts you inside the parens of a for loop
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and you just wanted to go to the next
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line that pisses me off and I'll have to
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clean up the cross the text editor put
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for me so there's a balance between that
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that needs to be struck but my taste
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leans more towards the BBEdit way right
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now so that's that's my personal BBEdit
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versus text my thing as far as you and
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Merrill and the other people who are
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switching from text mate and stuff like
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that I completely sympathize with the
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because you you build up a little
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kingdom for yourself in your text editor
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with your keyboard shortcuts with your
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UNIX filters with your bundles with
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whatever whatever feature that your text
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editor has that you use a lot of we'll
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see Merlin as the Merlin does a heck of
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a lot more than that than I do to be to
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be totally fair about it I I've been
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using BBEdit since there was a PB in it
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and at least since I had a Mac that
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could run it which isn't that I guess
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probably late 80s right didn't come out
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like 88 91 91 92 I think was the first
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part okay well I can't reform it'd to
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late 80s to the early 90s as a blur of
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strange music and Nagle prints so
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whenever whenever there was a BB I that
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I was using it and you know for me that
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would that was home the nine point font
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everything and then when I started doing
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rails all the cool kids used text main I
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said well let me see what this is you
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know this is all about and had some neat
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features that were great for rails
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development and I told you what the the
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big killer feature was for me so you
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know but I but I did go back to VB edit
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and when I said go back I mean I never
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left it I never stopped using BBEdit I
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just didn't do rails in BBEdit I did
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everything else in BBEdit just not rails
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and they eventually went back for rails
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when it had the couple killer features
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that I needed now Merlin is D he's
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deeply entrenched in an almost a
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disturbing way in into textmate and for
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him I would think yeah it would be real
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hard to switch away from it but i-i've
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for me I didn't even take my preferences
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along with me start fresh see Merlin
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could get out like he's not in too deep
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but Emacs users Emacs similar to D you
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can't you can't get them out because
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they they have literally just built they
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have built a world for them it's like
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minecraft in their minecraft for text
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editing they have built a world for
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themselves inside Emacs and there's no
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way in hell any text editor that's not
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programmable would be able to do what
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they do with d-max
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including VI and all those other ones
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and even if they were programmable that
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would mean that these people would have
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to essentially port in their environment
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with all this stuff that they'd you know
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they'd written or third-party stuff to
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this new environment so they're never
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getting out
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you'd never even you never even think
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you're out of you max you're you're in
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it for life mister not but that's that's
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percent of BBS features because it has
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from BB edit because I always want to
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expect to get that reply back I'm like
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that's already there just got to know
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where to find it there's so many
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features they can't all be visible in
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the UI but they're there in there
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somewhere
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so I use a tiny portion of those and the
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portion I use is important to me but I
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still feel like I'm I'm portable like if
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some day BB edit goes away or some new
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great text editor comes out that's
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better I feel like I can make the
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transition because I haven't really
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liked because BB yet it's not
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arbitrarily programmable I haven't dug
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myself in too deep to ever be able to
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get out I could probably port my
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keystrokes and my few things that I do
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to another text editor that happened to
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have the same good diffing good multi
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file search you know good the UI that I
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like and speaking of the UI I don't use
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that folder sidebar project business I
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have single windows with single text
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documents in them and it's very
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important to me that BBEdit has
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maintained the ability to work like that
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right despite adding that sidebar for
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people who like the text you know the
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text mate and stuff like rails and
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thought I can understand where you have
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like a formal directory structure that's
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always the same for every rails
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application and you get used to it even
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there I think maybe I wouldn't use that
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I would rather have like a Finder window
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open and then bounce back and forth but
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you might be impressed by I'm sure I'd
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forgive using BBEdit that way but you
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know but it's it's at this point is
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BBEdit is not religious in that regard
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if you want to configure BBEdit to
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behave in that way you can unless by the
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way another reason why i would never
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leave behind my BB edit preferences
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which are extensive at this point is
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that I use BB edit very differently than
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the defaults when I launch BB edit in
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the default motoring would recognize the
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application like on someone else's
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machine I'm like is this what PPA looks
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like these days so let me ask a question
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let me ask you a question if if I want
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to use BB edit and I know we're over our
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time our time here but if I want to use
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BB at it when I open up you know I open
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up a folder I want to have it show me
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all the contents but if the rest of the
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I want the individual windows is that
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something I can accomplish I think
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that's possible but the thing about
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recent versions of bb-8 is it's like an
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application in transition in terms of
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the people who want to work use it with
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the sidebar and the folders have
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different needs and the people who don't
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and they're constantly trying to balance
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like well what happens if you double
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click this thing in the sidebar but you
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wanted to open in a separate window but
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when you drag in a document onto the
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application you want to open in the
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current project window or in a separate
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they keep going back and forth in the
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decisions and honestly I don't even know
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what the current behavior is all I know
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is that my mode no sidebars ever minimal
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windows just containing text my mode
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continues to work in exactly the way you
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would expect it to work yields and
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that's very simple it's a it's really
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it's great that they continue to support
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that because it really is like you know
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no quit you have no question what's
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going to happen no matter how you open a
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document the open dialog dragging it
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onto the thing anything it's going to
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open its own separate window hmm how
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aggregates open what happens when you
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drag a folder I never drag folders onto
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TV yet so I don't know what happens but
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the old-style way works and is
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consistent the new style way I believe
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has been bouncing around like that
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sidebar used to actually be a drawer
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back in the day when drawers were around
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remember those the bad old days I don't
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want to talk about Drew I even built an
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app with drawers in it but I want to
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talk about it yeah so but now it's a
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sidebar and they've been changing how
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that behaves even for stuff like does
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the sidebar have keyboard focus that's
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another great thing about BBEdit by the
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way so they make these decisions about
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policy of like what should a pond you do
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XY and Z and almost all the time they
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have a plist preference for changing it
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back to the old way and they document
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their pilos preferences in the extensive
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release notes they're even in the
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official documentation almost every
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feature it's it's hard to ever get
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pissed because they change the way
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something works because if you want to
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work the old way this usually you know
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something defaults right bla bla bla you
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can write on your terminal and make it
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work the way you didn't one even for
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insanely esoteric stuff like miniscule
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detail that amazed the stuff they have
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people attacks for because I'll find
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some situation where like the you know
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beat the new version of B via two
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wouldn't let me save a file that was
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currently executing as a perl script if
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the volume is mounted through sshfs
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and they'll say oh yeah just set this p
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thing to disable safe save heuristics
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whatever and it will go back to the old
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way like I didn't ask them for that
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option I even know it existed when I
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said hey I something weird is happening
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they're like yeah we changed something
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but if you want to go back to the old
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way just do that that type of bare-bones
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as a company is great with the creating
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BBEdit updates constantly improving the
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application and constantly taking into
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account user feedback and constantly
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moving forward while also providing to
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the best of their ability every little
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miniscule option you could ever imagine
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even though they're not in the GUI I
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don't really care if they're in the GUI
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as long as I have some ways to set it
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the way I want it I'm happy and they're
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they're great about that you know I'm
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the only tech said it's better in that
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regards probably max because I say do
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whatever the hell you want it's not up
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to us yes we are over time now well I
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think we're all right
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anyway I should wrap it up we should
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read this is a good show good to be back
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though good to have you back with us
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asked to weeks without a show that's why
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all the stuff stored up was it two whole
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I don't know it's long seemed like
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longest one week we just missed one show
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I guess huh the last one was episode
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number 28 trust but verify on July 28th
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it's the tenth there would be one show
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yeah because if you say two and then
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people will think that we've been reused
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like and off we haven't been but that is
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it that is it for this episode
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yeah I will be on vacation again at the
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end of August beginning of September but
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we still have two more shows before then
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that's true that is true was it 28 was
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that last one week yeah it was that was
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all right then well that's it for this
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show you can go to 5x5 TV you can see
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the here you can't really see I mean you
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could see them but you can't enjoy them
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unless you listen not by going to find
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by 5 TV also we have some updates we are
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now listed in the iTunes radio section
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of iTunes so if you're lucky enough to
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have iTunes on your Windows PC or on
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your Mac which you will happen on your
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Mac you can go there you can click radio
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and go to news talk and you'll see us
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list it in there so that's a neat way to
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listen live so that's that's neat that's
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big news for us so go there and listen
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that you can follow john on twitter at
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siracusa si RAC us a nosy in siracusa
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supporting show and and that's it we
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will be back next week
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