00:00:04 ◼ ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► what is wrong in the world of Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/6">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► complained about by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► episode number 28 we'd like to say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/18">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► sponsors campaign monitor they've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/24">TS</a>]
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00:00:31 ◼ ► celebrate they're giving away a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/31">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► designers on the web just go to campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► monitor comm slash templates can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► catch a demo their new editor in action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► at the same address go check them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/42">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► provided by - green technologies Virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► Private servers submerged in oil check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/53">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► them out at - green tech calm so John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► this is a big week do you know why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► is a big week why is this a big week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► this is a big week because this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► week after your Lian review came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/65">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► a week after we did the week after we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/68">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► sure and I have some good news for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/79">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► in fact I think I think this is you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► set a record here whether you know it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► not a big record got set more downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/86">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► in one week of our last show than any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/91">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► show in the history of this network 5x5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/95">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► downloads of your show did you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► email that I sent you I did I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/104">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► congratulations are in order to you sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► congratulations to you biggest week ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► biggest week of your life I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/110">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► about that but yeah sure it's a big week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/113">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► come on did you laugh was that human a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► human emotion coming through yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► exciting you've updated your program see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► how much of it is sustained you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/122">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► phenomenon where once every two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► big review comes out lots of activity in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/128">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► traffic and then it settles down so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► you may have just earned yourself a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► handful of new listeners in the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/135">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► I think so I know so I always wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► what my like my glass ceiling is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► readers or listeners because the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► I talk about and the way I talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/150">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► them probably have a pretty narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► appeal so C is a with you I've you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► like how many people in the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/158">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► who are not related to me would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► interested in listening to me talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/161">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► this stuff apparently quite a few well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/163">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► and what percentage of that that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/166">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► already have the same thing with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/167">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► like you always wondering uh what could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/168">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► Mac marketshare possibly be like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► the what is the ceiling on that could it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/174">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► ever be 90 percent 50 25 what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► point after which Apple's philosophy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/178">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► computer that you can make when does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/185">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► that become a limiting factor for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► you know what I mean same thing with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/188">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► so I think there's plenty of room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/189">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► both the Mac and me to grow well I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/191">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► I certainly think so I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► think you're anywhere near your glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/196">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► ceiling I always think about the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► who subscribe to Gruber's podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► read his thing and follow him on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► and I wonder what percentage like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/205">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► someone follows John Gruber on Twitter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/210">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► say why isn't that person following me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/211">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► because we talk about the same type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► things but he talked about them on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► website and I talked about them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► Twitter if you follow him on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/218">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► you're hearing about baseball and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► know all sorts of other topics and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/222">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► doesn't even tweet that much maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► that's why he has so many followers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► if you read his website he talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► Apple stuff all the time if you follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► me on Twitter I talk about Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► all the time so I wonder what percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/232">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► of his followers like that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/235">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► like my glass ceiling I could never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► possibly have more than he has but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► the people who follow him and listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/240">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► him it seems like there should be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/241">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► significant overlap between those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► and the people will be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/248">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► what I had to say so I have a long way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► to go I would I think that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► but in a way I mean what you do and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/253">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► he does I see him is very very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► very different things I mean he his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/259">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► at best supplementary but for you that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► communicate yeah it's true I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► like you're second at my second email I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► think that's like a a demerit though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► because people don't like it when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/280">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► fill their Twitter feed with stuff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► much easier to follow somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► tweets every couple of days one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► you know you don't have the urge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/289">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► unfollow that person if they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/290">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► filling your stream with a bunch of crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/293">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► whereas if you follow me every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► that's going to be wanted your tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/297">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► probably and if you don't like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► wanted your tweets you like why am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/300">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► following this guy am i interested in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/301">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► stuff and yon fall you're saying you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► saying with you you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/305">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► getting yet you're going to get kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► occasionally geeky Apple related crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/307">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► yeah but it's I think it's similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► the stuff that the Gruber posts just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► without the bases yeah at least in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► linked list he'll a lot of the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► that he has on his side I will also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► tweet about and vice versa you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► technology stories of the day related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/327">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► Apple so it's just a different medium to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► get that information when you at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► for this week regardless of what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► glass ceiling is this week you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► number one revel in it yeah all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/340">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► people who subscribe should also leave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► review because my review count is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► way lower than the talk show as well a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/349">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► I mean I'm starting to catch you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► terms of Twitter followers though but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/354">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► I noticed that you did have a nice boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► there recently but you're still growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► faster so I don't think I'll ever catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► you I think that's okay I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► always surprised because it's based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► you know based on the sort of polls that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► I've done there are quite a few people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► who listen to the shows that just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► use Twitter don't don't do much on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► Twitter yeah that's weird you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/377">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► siracusa on twitter that's you right yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/384">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► that's me and just to keep the count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► going good I'm Tam Benjamin on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► we don't want John to get too far and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► think we should be tied let's try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► get tied well say I am that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► anybody on Twitter if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/401">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► growth graphs you think gee you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► growing I'm getting these good boost but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► then you look at somebody else who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► maybe 10 times as many followers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► they're growing even faster than you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► so you'll never catch them so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/411">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► gonna talk about line smart today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► think we have two and the first thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► have some a few all right I don't often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► get to do the a few but or at least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/423">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► don't get to contribute as much I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► to start off by saying you and I both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/427">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► animation thing where you you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► running line you open a new window for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► an app whether that's you know command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► and to open a new window or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► is right you run that and the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► starts at that little center point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► get this this animation that shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/450">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► sort of growing from the center point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/453">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► where the fully grown window will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► right and you and I both said this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/456">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► is this is the worst because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/460">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► actually makes things feel slower you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/463">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► waiting and watching for window to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► and even if it takes exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► amount of time as you said same amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► of time to open a new window that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/470">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► animation somehow works to make it feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► slower so we got we said please tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► how to get rid of this this is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► get rid of this thing and who was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► that wrote in to us we got an email and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/482">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► I think I didn't know that you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/483">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► retweeted you but I we both sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► tweeted it and the guy didn't say who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► his twitter name was but it was his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/490">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► Trevor or something no it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► actually in the chat room and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► either during the show or just after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/496">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► attention to the chat room moves Tomas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► from Zen I'm so I don't know if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► mangling his last name it's tio mas F at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► Twitter and I didn't see his Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► name yet so he posted it in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/508">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► room right he emailed us through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► feedback form and I believe he also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► tweeted it so he blanketed all media I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► believe he was the first one to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/515">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► about this thing and he actually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► didn't actually look it up or find it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/518">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► some web so whatever he did the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► that people do to find these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/522">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► which is you just put a little hook in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► one of the methods that reads from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► property lists and then you try Gus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/527">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► trigger the animation and see which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► property list property it reads pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► yeah I think the way to do it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► lots of different ways to do it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/537">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► obviously he's a programmer knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► I think he called it's whistling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/539">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► method but as Linda method swizzle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► such an overloaded word in computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► science if you go look up like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/545">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► Wikipedia page or google it or double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► you'll see that swizzle has meant so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/548">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► different contexts but but yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/551">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► bottom line is you put a little hook in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► so you can see when a method runs what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► it's actually doing and he fent he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/556">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► shortly after that I tweeted it and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► then once I found his Twitter name I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► through through his uh by putting his ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/564">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► name in the next follow-up and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► tweeted it and then we got more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► emails and started appearing in articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/571">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► and even as of today even this morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/572">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► people were still eating me and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► hey I found this thing so thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/576">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► everybody who is sending in this tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► because it is a good one I actually put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/582">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► it in the show notes for the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► because like I said I found it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► after the show ended and I figured if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► people go look at the show notes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/588">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► good for them to see it I linked to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► secrets application website you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/592">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► about secrets yeah secrets is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/595">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► app for people who don't know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/596">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► it's essentially it's an app but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► shows up as a preference pane right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/599">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► system pref yep and it it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► secrets because it has all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► undocumented or little-known settings so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/607">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► that instead of having an open terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/610">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► and type you know default and then some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► long string of characters which might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► frighten some some people this presents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/616">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► all of these great little tweaks and app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► changes and undocumented you know things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► that aren't available from applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► own preference panes it allows you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► just go in there check some boxes and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► even restarts things for you it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► handy little app is it in Secret Santas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► this in secret yeah that's where I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► it was put in sequence by somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► it was put in by jens Aten or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► like that he's I believe he's the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► well-known Matt talker moose yeah so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► you can contribute or maybe just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► stickies app I don't know but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► contribute to this database this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► key feature of secrets is it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/653">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► a preference pane that as a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► stuff it reads from an online database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► of Secrets that anyone can contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► so you download the secret application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/661">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► once and you just hit the little update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► secrets button and within it and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► pull the latest set of secrets that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► this shared database it's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► than remembering this side had this tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► and this side have that tip or googling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/672">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► for what you think it is eventually all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► these things find their way into secrets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► and you can search in real-time and find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► the things that have the keywords if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► just search for animation or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/680">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► you would find this one you can see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► it's not just for the system it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► individual applications like they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► ones for members looking to list now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► they have ones for the DVD player for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/688">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► third-party apps Apple apps everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/693">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► secrets it's in the show notes or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► it's not I'll put it there it's a secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/700">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► stop black tree comm great a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► great little app yep it's a good tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► shame on them for not sponsoring oh wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► they can it's free so that's alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► great tip though and it's in there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► that's what you're saying so we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► getting a lot of emails from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► still saying have you have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► this is how you do it so we appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/717">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► all of those is what you're also seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► right we thank you for sale because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► asked to be told and you know they told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► us at the magic of the podcast that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/725">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► shows the power of hypercritical versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► the power of the article that millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► of people read and nobody knows about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► the fact that I had said I really look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► forward to knowing this usually when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/734">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► ask for something within a Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► review I got a flood of evil nobody sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► an email I was afraid that those citing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/739">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► didn't even exist but then the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► mention it once immediately we get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► answer so maybe you should quit writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► and just do more shows yeah maybe so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/746">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► we should also mention there were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/750">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► handful of people I I don't remember if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► there's email more or Twitter but it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► in one or both of those places a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► of people said to me you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/757">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► typical dead volt devil's advocate which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► is not only don't they make it seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► slower they are clarifying the meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► of what's happening and we have tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► tons of people on our network or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► where we work or whatever it is wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► this person or people have you that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► actually clarifies what's going on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► there are so many people out there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/780">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► they click something and they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► don't know that a window is opening and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► they sit there wondering for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/785">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► windows person talking about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► the windows person had a good point as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► windows much but I use it enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► understand what this person was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► especially older versions of Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/802">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► Windows 7 is apparently better in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► regard and I never used SS I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► but like an XP and earlier versions if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► you did something in Windows opened an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► application either by double-clicking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► or by clicking a little the taskbar icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► in the taskbar the quick launch area or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► anything like that you'd click it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► you'd be like nothing what happened on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► the screen you would say well it did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► register that quick that I did I miss is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/825">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► it is the application launching like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► there's no bouncing dock icon there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► no little rubber band animation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► application opening and you get in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► situation where people would doubt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► then click again and then you've ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/836">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► up with two instances of IE launching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► instead of one because you weren't sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► if the first one registered or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/840">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► there's there was long delay between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► time you click in the time something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► happens and during that time nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► visual is happening on the screen now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► the Mac has never suffered from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► problem because of course I'm Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/850">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► you had a little bouncing and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/851">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► clear indicator that yeah yeah we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► your click we're trying to do what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► the us but it's going to take a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► meanwhile watch this little thing bounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► something is happening and then the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/860">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► classic Mac OS when you double-click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/861">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► from application there would be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► little rubber band animation which be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/864">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► basically like an outline of a rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► that would start small at the origin of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► your click and get bigger and bigger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/870">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► bigger to show you hey this thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/871">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► you double clicked it's launching now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► and in the very old days despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► fact this rubber band animation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► there from day one you could also hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/879">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► the floppy disk grunt you know and or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► the activity light blinking there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/882">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► always some sort of visual physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/883">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► indication that your thing started but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/884">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► uncomfortable zone where the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/889">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► manifestations of your action became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► less obvious because hard drives got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► tucked away inside the machines activity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/894">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► lights weren't as obvious the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/896">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► was behind the monitor or under the desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► or something floppy disks went away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► you couldn't really tell is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► happening out and that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► things that people talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/906">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► other one was that specific animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► that we were complaining about in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/910">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► specific animation that I had a video up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► in my review was an instance of a window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/913">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► starting from a small dot in its final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/916">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► position and zooming to its full size so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/920">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► there was no indication of where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► window came from it's like this window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/923">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► is going to appear at this position and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/924">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► it will start its small deposition and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/925">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► position so the animation my argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► argument was there was not giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► any additional information it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► from where did this window come from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► was just saying here's the window it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► going to appear here and have the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/938">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► appeared fully formed in that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► position it would have provided the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► one person argued that they liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► animation because it draws your eye more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► than if the window just appeared by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► itself I would say that that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/952">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► the things against it because you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/956">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► want to know that a new window appeared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► on the screen but this window is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► to appear in front of all other windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► and by by animating it draws your eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► too much I think the idea was that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► when you hit command end which is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/970">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► was doing that video there's no origin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► like it's not the window doesn't fly out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/973">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► of your keyboard there's no way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/974">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► animate from where you the command but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► when you type command then the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/978">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► has no idea where you're looking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/979">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► that was the person's argument was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► yeah it has no idea where you're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/983">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► so it's trying to say hey this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► indicate to you where it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/986">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► appear well because it doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► elsewhere because I'm doing some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► tasks that's the beauty of keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/993">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► commands that you can fire off command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► starting your next task which is looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► over to the side to drag an icon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► looking in another window or reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► something and as soon as that animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► appears your eyes are drawn towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► where the animation is you're losing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► advantage of being able to fire off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► command end to make a new window while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► immediately off doing some of the tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► like you you initiate the macro in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► head which makes your fingers do command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► then and as soon as you issue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► command it's like fire and forget you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► off to your next task but as soon as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► animation starts playing the primordial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► saber-toothed tiger hunting you sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► please don't write me in saber-toothed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► Tigers did not live at the same time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► humans I'm sorry you know makes your eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► it makes your eye be drawn to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► animation the car like what animation it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► more so than just the window appearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► so in addition to it feeling slow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► it's pulling your eye away from what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► were trying to do now the same people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► point out that if you go to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► menu and select new the animation begins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► at the file menu and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► actually useful animation because who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► going to the file menu and selecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► file new novice users right and not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► users are the wanting to do the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► hand-holding to understand this command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► that you initiated has produced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► from the menu that you just use and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► window you know the animation slides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► over to where the window is finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► going to appear connecting your action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► with the resulting window but advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► users are the ones who are all going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1078">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► be hitting command in and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► need their I've drawn tour the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► window appears because they know new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► window is going to appear it's good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► be on top of all other windows anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► unless it's a microscopic window which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► Mac os10 really doesn't like you to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► small windows anyway it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► obvious where it appears that animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► is the one that drives me nuts because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► make new documents all the time and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► the editor you know any other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► constantly making new texts windows for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► just scratch areas and discarding them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► and making new ones so I'm very glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► that this animation could be turned off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► some of the other animations like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► bounce animation where the dialog comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► up with it it animates from its small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► size to a size slightly larger limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► final size and then shrinks back down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► sorta like it's bouncing at you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► alerts and errors and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► since they're rare and you're and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► they're not manually initiated they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► slightly more of a reason to draw your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► attention especially for novice users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► who might not even notice that a dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► appeared for advanced users I still like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► the ability to turn that off but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► not the same thing as user initiated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► action triggering an animation and makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► things feel slower so I will definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► have this setting turned off yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► turned it off now do you think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► inspiration for this came to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► create I mean you were I feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► were leading up to this to create parody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► you know when you when you double-click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► a file let's say you've got a text file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► on your desktop and you double click it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► there's sort of that animation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► text file flying toward you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► what I'm saying the icon getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► little bigger yeah that's just indicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► that it registered your click it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► document will appear no it just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► just jumps toward you yeah do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► that this is somehow getting parity with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► addition of animation like they love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► animation ever since core animation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► introduced they've been adding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► core animation just makes it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► bit too easy I think to add animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► because you're like you know what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► is an animatable property why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► animate it it's really easy from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► perspective now to animate stuff so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► have their they have to think less hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► about well do we really want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► animation because it's going to be a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► of work to make it it's not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► work and you end up with animations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► everywhere and sometimes they go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► the line a little bit so I'll let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► our first sponsor and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► what's cool is if you're in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► room if you join us live sometimes we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► things like this when when we have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► especially like when we have an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► sponsor they're going to be given we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► have a whole bunch of codes to give away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► faith is going to be putting those into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► the not all of them this time we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► spread them out over some the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► shows but she'll be putting a few into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► the into the chat room so if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► in the chat room go join the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► you can go to five by five dot TV slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► live and there's like a button that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► chat with us or link or something go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► there and faith will be dropping these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► and sometimes you do it over Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► today we're going to do some in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► and the sponsor is WX now this is a by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► company called hunter research and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► technology we've had some their apps on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► there they do really really cool apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► they do iOS apps and Matt Capps and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► I'm going to tell you about mainly today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► is WX this is an award-winning US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► international you know listeners so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► maybe you get a pressure this guy to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► an international version but it's a US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► weather app it works on the Mac iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► iPhone it was a name to 2009 Mac Jim by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► innovative camera that levels photos in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► real time it puts an end to crooked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► shots I'm guilty of that especially the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► iPhone and theodolite now this is a cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► app this is the one that makes your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► iPhone or your iPad into essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► into luke skywalker's viewfinder from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► Empire Strikes Back in the beginning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► know when he's out there with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► imperial probe droid you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► talking about John or you often I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► was considering whether I should do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► imitation of the probe droid but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► I don't know we gotta have got excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► not to okay it shows over so you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► it when I'm sorry I mean that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► good moves he rears no all right so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► is this is a top-selling one I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► tell you I went to I went to the Dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► I said that this theodolite ye you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► got to make a game out of this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► I'll sit there I'll put this on on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► boys iPad or on his on he has a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► iPhone it's like a game he can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► around you know like I said if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► had something that shot you know could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► shoot things you know it would be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► augmented reality kind of game is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► don't know if that would sell but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► so if you want that you can pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► them into it but this has this is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► viewfinder with a rangefinder and int [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► in-clinic inclinometer how do you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► that a compass a GPS map I mean it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► everything so you can find out about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► development services they do that too at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► HRT apps comm go check them out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► you're in the chatroom faith will give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► out now you know faith maybe give out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► one of the one of the wx4 Mac one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► iPad ones one of the gyro Lynch just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► like one of each drop well maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► that's it thanks to them for sponsoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► HRT APSCo I'm looking at that app on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► website it really does look like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► really does the thing from it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► like that he could make extra money if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► you actually licensed from Lucasfilm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► exact appearance of that thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► surprised he doesn't get sued already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► because it's it's close but not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► different enough George Lee has bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► he's worried more about who shot first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► yeah or that guy making a prop helmets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► for stormtroopers right did you rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► that started this big you know do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► have that in a show no it's tell people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► so some one of the guys who made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► original helmets for Star Wars to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► stormtrooper helmets decided that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► employed he was employed by Lucas to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► make these things isn't right he worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► there and he still had the mold from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► when he made the original ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► appear in the movies who is it hey I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► I could clean up these molds and make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► couple sure enough stormtrooper helmets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► and sell them and of course Lucas gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► wind of it and is all cranky and tries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► to sue him and he eventually won his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► case that he is allowed to make and sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► these helmets from these molds because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► guess a lot of the reason he won is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► he's not in the US he's in the UK and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► has no assets in the US so US laws don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► apply to him and probably his employment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► contract with Lucy Lucas was such that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► Lucas didn't say oh we reserve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► rights to all these molds and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► blah blah like a modern contract would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► have said they just hired him to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► and didn't claim ownership of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► molds or the intellectual property that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► they represent you know so it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► a victory against the Empire for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► one guy and he's it's not like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► becoming a millionaire all but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► just selling something to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► money I should find that link put in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► show no did you buy one no you did come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► on oh there that's I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► expensive is that magic so is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► plasma TV yeah but the plasma TV or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► watch every day and I get you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► I have a prediction for what's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► happen next WWDC someone's gonna get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► an actual storm trip round how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► these things will work on it well race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► it will do for now I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► they're thousands of dollars because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► guess they're collectors would you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► it like everyday to or to and from work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► yeah like I had like you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► 1940s and 50s and you know any any man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► who had any kind of decency would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► wearing a nice fedora would you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► would you wear this to work as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► no I think I displayed a sculpture I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► think that was part of the trial like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► arguing whether it was a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► sculpture like art or whether it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► costume or something like that would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► ever wear a full a full you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► full on stormtrooper suit I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► can't think of any context when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► would happen like a comic-con if we send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► you two packs or comic-con or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► yeah but I wouldn't like I'm not one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► those people who dresses up that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► I'm trying to find out if you are know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► when you LARP you dress up though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► you're the LARPing on me I've never LARP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► so you say really Aven I did go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► Medieval Faire as a kid does that count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► I wasn't role-playing but I just up as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► knight I was 10 years old it wasn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► weird everybody dressed up to hold the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► whole class we had to get we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► dress it you know we had to make our art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► you know uniforms and whatever they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► you know so some people went as a knight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► some people went is you know a jester or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► whatever I don't know whatever it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► on I didn't care everybody was dressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► up I was 10 years old then someone threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► up on the bus on the way home it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► worst thing and the way the teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► tried to counteract this the way she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► tried to mask the smell of the vomit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► the way home on the three-hour drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► home from Sarasota back to South Florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► was to spray her perfume which combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► with the smell of vomit and became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► that's called childhood Dan well this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► the closest thing to lie this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► LARPing experience we didn't roleplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► although I was knighted I'll bet you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► not in the way you've ended is that code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► for something no it's not absolutely not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► far as I know alright so what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► topics about lion do you want to cover I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► have a big list here but you can pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► your allow me to read off my lesson you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► okay sandboxing Ark HFS+ wait slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► hold on sandboxing Ark I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► covered Ark well beyond where I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► I mean that you killed that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► article I don't want to do that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► no all right well we'll see if they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► listeners I did get a lot of questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► about it high DPI stuff the linking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► general linking in the article and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► any other topics that I didn't cover in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► the review that you want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► well I would definitely like to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► about sandboxing because I don't I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► I think it's an interesting topic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► think they've done a lot of work behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► the scenes on it and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► something that regular human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► would actually benefit from even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► that this is something that people could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► know about somebody else covered our cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► that was it Marco I think we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► about it I don't to be honest I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► tuned out during the arc stuff no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► sandboxing I mean a little bit but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► that not the way you do yeah I'll cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► I think it's gonna become you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► want to talk about our fine your show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► I'll do whatever you want it's your shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► I'll talk about that monster million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► downloads we're on for the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► don't listen to Marco show or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► show this was on so sandboxing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► feature that existed in a more limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► form and Snow Leopard I was introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► in Snow Leopard I think and Apple mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► use it for their daemon processes so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► dog demon processes are processes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► run in the background continuously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► either when you're logged in or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► continuously when the machine is booted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► and they perform services like they this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► caching demons and all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► that other processes communicate with to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► get information about the system I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► since this possible time since a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► them run will either be except to both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► will use file or the whole fast or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► whatever good day hang on a sec your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► your audio is breaking up on me what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► you doing there are you on the files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► it's not I'm on class is it Mac or C no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► it's not your mic it's uh let me try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► let me try it back maybe skype is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► I am we'll get him back yeah see we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► gonna make two of each face you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► two of each trying to John back here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► this is connecting and ever you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► never know what what the cause could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► with Skype which we could move away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► Skype entirely and I have to I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► be honest this I could be this stupid on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► this stupid router what they gave us can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► they still hear us in the chat room see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► this is that's terrible who knows it who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► knows what this is I am I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► getting a really getting fed up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► this thing John I say we have to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► this on your end no this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► definitely my on that time now there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► something weird it's like it I've got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► I've got to go in and mess with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► router that they gave me it's a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► piece of garbage and I have to get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► to change it out or something because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► periodically it's like everything will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► be fine and then you'll then you'll lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► it a little like the DHCP lease will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► expire and you won't renew I'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► go in and network preferences and renew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► it now what is that don't know low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► quality weapon seriously what I send you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► this stuff anyway we don't need to waste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► time so please continue your thought I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► sub sandboxing so as I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► sandboxing was introduced in snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► leopard as a way to isolate demon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► sandboxing were but you could limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► their privileges in a few ways it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► application developers yet it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► framework for making demon processes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► be able to have full access to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► everything that our process can normally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► do with the privileges of a super user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► whatever user it's running it so in Lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► they've greatly expanded the sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► and are now promoting it for use by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► applications and the idea is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► applications have to declare the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► that they're expected to do so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► have an application that expects to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► a network connection you would say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► connections or every application expects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► incoming network connections it says I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► need to be able to open a port to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► for incoming network connections I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► access to the movies folder because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► that's where I'm going to read stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► from or I need access to the user's home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► directory or you know it is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► many omits not really fine-grain I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► there's only like 30 or something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► know there's less than 100 of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► entitlements they're called where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► supposed to do and as part of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► App Store review process come November [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► your application must be sandbox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► what that means is that if you submit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► the Mac App Store after November you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► must have Sam bossing enabled and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► you must have this list of entitlements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► that say what your application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► expected to do and you can't just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► okay fine I'll list all the entitlements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► because then I don't have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► the sandbox so much I said I just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► access to everything I need access so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► the whole file system may need access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► the network everything everything what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► do what Apple will do in the review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► process is say you know hey this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► weather application why do you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► access Y do you need to open a port for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► listening on the network why do you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► to complete access to the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► for your weather application and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► reject it and they'll say it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► seem like your application should need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► this entitlement to do its job please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► explain to us why you think it does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► what they're trying to do is reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► of attack so that if one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► applications is exploited by a buffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► overflow or some other kind of bug you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► application is it restricted to doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► if the application doesn't need to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► exploited the X point can open a network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► port either now to go further than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► developers to do is something called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► privilege separation where instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► having deciding what their application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► has to do it has to read and write files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► it has to talk on the network it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► you know have access to the camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► the microphone whatever things that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► application needs to do instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► taking that and saying let me just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► a list and then give my application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► these entitlements that what Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► application into individual sort of sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► programs or sub applications that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► do a specific task so for example an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► apples on a QuickTime Player it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► decode video and decoding video is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► notoriously difficult process that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► to be high performance and there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► been a lot of exploits in sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► decoding of compressed information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► because that code has to be very fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► and tends to be vulnerable to the buffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► or buffer overflows because it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► everything because it has to be fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► that the algorithms are complex and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► code is complex so what Apple does is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► this I we're going to offload the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► decoding of video to a separate process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► and that process doesn't need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► any access to the file system because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► will feed it the data oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► through memory through a inter process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► communication from the parent thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► this that process isn't I need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► any access to the network you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► can be extremely isolated the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► that process sees is data given to it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► its parent process and then it returns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► privileges for anything so if there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► some sort of exploit in side like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► h.264 decoding algorithm or something or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► there's some sort of bug there that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► you feed a it maliciously created video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► to the video player something you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► well that that video will find itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► taking over a external process that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► almost no privileges you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► anything and that that's what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► application developers to do is to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► about their application and instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► at the superset of all entitlements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► we need to do with job break it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► into sub applications each of which only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► needs a few of those inside them so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► the parent application itself would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► a very very few entitlements and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► supplications would have the other few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► we'll spread it out throughout them now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► splitting up your application like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► is kind of a pinyin because you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► executables how do I launch them how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► I feed them data how do I reap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► process when they're done I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► know how do I communicate back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► but then I don't have to make my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► propos it's kind of annoying so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► Apple's done is created this ex PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► framework I guess you call it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► manages this for you it's sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► system for creating separate executables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► that get stored in your applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► bundle and what you do is operate at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► very high level you basically call a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► method that will trigger the creation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► this separate process on-demand handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► the communication with it and handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► cleaning up the process when it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► so you don't have to deal with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► details making it easier for you to now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► everyone knows you should do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► privilege separation thing if you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► the presentation so yeah that's not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► I don't I deal with the details so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► is trying to be able to many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► details as possible to encourage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► most number of developers to do this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► application and not do this at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► Apple really wants to encourage people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► to do this because they think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► better way from a security perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► to design an application sandboxing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► was just talking about the X PC thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► and splitting up your application into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► interesting part of this is that as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► can imagine on the Mac almost every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► application these days seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► should need full access to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► system because how else do open files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► like it does the application can't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► where your files are they could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► anywhere they could be any desktop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► your Documents folder on a server volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► it's just expected that Mac applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► can open up any file and so it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► like every Mac application or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► some subcomponent or a Mac application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► needs to have complete access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► vulnerability because if that app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► exploited by you know some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► maliciously created file that it opens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► or any other mechanism where over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► network or any other mechanism where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► control this application then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► complete access to all that users files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► you could for example recursively delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► their entire home directory or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► a plant the virus somewhere and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► that launches every time they log in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► so Apple solution to this is to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► a an intermediate a trusted intermediary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► that provides access to the full file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► system but only in response to explicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► user actions so for example when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► to the file menu and select open or hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► commando what it does is it hands-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► operation to this power box daemon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► the power box daemon has access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► full file system but your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► doesn't and the only way you get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► power box thing is by explicit user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► action because you selected open from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► the file menu or you hit command o it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► wasn't something that the program did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► was a user input that went through you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► know the input mechanism in the event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► mechanism and caused you know the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► dialog to come up that is a signal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► the application that yes this is a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► doing this and not a program and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► you're handed off to the power box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► application which is okay I will poke a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► little hole in your sandbox to allow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► access to whichever file that I pick now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► the application is in control the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► box applications is okay you hang on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► I'll let the guy pick the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► that he wants and when he picks it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► will give that one application back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► you so the application still doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► have complete access to the file so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► just says okay I've handed off control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► to this intermediary it will give me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► application can't tell power box which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► it's it waits for power box tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► here's the file that the user selected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► and that's the way that they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► applications just say I need full access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► to the file system unless it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► disc checker or something where it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► to scan your whole disk that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► applications just because you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► open a file you don't need full access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► intermediary they will do it for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► this applies to things like dragging an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► icon onto an application in the dock or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► in the finder all those mechanisms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► are an explicit user action trigger the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► the use of this power box intermediary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► and are explicitly allowed because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► kind of this is not a new innovation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► many systems use this kind of security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► model but it's the first time it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► coming to Mac os10 and Apple's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► pushing it hard and the article I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► about the carrot and the stick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► application will be more secure we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► providing these really nice API it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► external applications yeah we'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► care of the details for you we've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► all this work for you that's the carrot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► the stick is if you want to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► Mac App Store we're going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► requiring this November so you best get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► a lot of legacy Mac applications have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► expectations way beyond the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► sandboxing allows and one of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► ones is Apple events you can do a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► with Apple events you can communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► from one application to the other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► make applications do almost anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► some applications are built around Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► extensive use of them and this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► best practice from Apple many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► ago so yeah do everything with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► events within your your script ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► is great and other applications can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► communicate with you and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► forth but from a security perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► it's not great to do that so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► application Apple events and even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► think within application Apple events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► when you're in a sandbox so it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► to be a problem for some applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► that were built based on apples previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► advice about best practices now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► advice is changed and there may be kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► of a rocky road for some apps to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► themselves within the sandbox simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► because some assumptions are just baked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► into their design and it's not as easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► as just giving yourself a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► entitlements that you that you need or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► breaking replication up into pieces so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► think that cover sandboxing raids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► I wonder how important is this to modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► something that's sort of critical that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► they all need or is this Apple doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► something extra that it's not required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► is this innovation I mean - what's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► take on this is this like an about time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► kind of a thing well like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► things in Lion all this was field tested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► in iOS so they are not kind of flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► blind like in iOS they have a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► where applications are by default even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► more restricted they have don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► full access of the filesystem they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► are confined to their own little world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► they're very very restricted and not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► ah and so what they're trying to say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► we found that can work that people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► write applications that that the user is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► like being severely severely restricted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► and I say well the Mac is the Wild West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► how do we get from the Wild West to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► something closer to that and so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► them trying to move the Mac in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► direction and to their credit there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► have taken the lead in this even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► previous versions like in Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► everything into separate applications so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► the one that crashed they don't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► down the whole app and any of is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► applications where security is critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► because you're constantly on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► reading data from unknown sources all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► day long and in Lion they've done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► same thing where you know now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► QuickTime application is a sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► rendering is pushed off into a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► application by the framework that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► that of the preview application they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► using WebKit to which further separates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► separating video decoding and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► that but also separating the rendering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► process itself from the actual Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► application so it's getting to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► where Apple's applications are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► shells for other services that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► spawned off in other applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► they're starting with the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► most vulnerable security wise there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► been tons of PDF exploits so they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► to make sure that their PDF rendering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► was isolated and of course web exploits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► they're constantly making Safari more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► resilient to this so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► inevitable and it's not a surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► they're doing it it's not an about time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► I think it's pretty much on schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► because there is a mismatch between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► traditional expectations of desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► applications and what iOS apps can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► and they do want to heard desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► applications in that direction there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► so many different angles in this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► security angle there's the stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► angle there is the simplicity angle in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► terms of if we can confine applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► to a specific directory that the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► doesn't have to know about them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► don't have their files scattered all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► iCloud will go further in that direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► because in iCloud if you want to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► file ubiquitous which is their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► terminology for a file that appears on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► all your different machines like put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► the local location of that file on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► file system on your Mac is supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► like you'll you can find it and know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► where it is if you're interested but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► once you once you put it into the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► you're not supposed to really care where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► the document is on your file system if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► if for example an application if all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► its files were in file cloud file cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► and if all of its files were in iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► they would not have to have full access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► the files they could be sandbox like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► iOS application is because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► iOS apps are like their files have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► within their little little world like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► they can't reach into other applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► files and that's limiting from a sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► perspective but it's great from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► security perspective where you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► mess with other applications so if a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► application was 100% dedicated to iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► it could behave like that too now there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► is there's an opposition to this which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► is but what about application or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► about files that I use in multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► applications what like a PDF that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► to open in PDF pen to edit but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► want to open in preview but I also open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► it in my web browser occasionally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► open it in some sort of ebook reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► application a single PDF can be open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► many different applications and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► can't you can't have it just confined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► the preview applications little iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► document mobile documents and box area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► applications see it so the Mac is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► different from iOS and Apple is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► have to walk that line between security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► and stability and not having to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► acknowledging that you do need to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► applications between you need to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► data between applications on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► I would argue that you need to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► complained how annoying it is that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► PDF for example gets sucked up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► iBooks if you want to open that PDF in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► another application it's not quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► easy unless you go back to the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► email that it came in and you know tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and hold down and say open another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► application it'll be an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► balancing act but right now we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► in the early stages and I think for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► applications should be able to adopt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► sandboxing without freaking users or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► developers out too much but they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► surrounding Apple events and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► applications that want to do more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► interesting things you with all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► things you don't want Apple to get too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► draconian about the restrictions because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► you will be eliminating interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► applications that do things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► outside the bounds of sandboxing useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► things that you would want to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► for example SuperDuper obviously needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► to read every single file on your disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► to make it clone but if Apple is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► decree that all applications must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► sandbox only sandbox applications can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► run in by the way that entitlement where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► you want to read every file on disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► we're not letting you have that or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► super duper is already out of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► privileges to read every file in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► disk because normally you can only read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► your files what about the function the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► other work inside so no I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► anyone would argue that super dooper is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► tremendously useful but it doesn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► within Apple's worldview right now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► applications that are interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► useful get pushed to the side because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► they're not in the 80 percent of like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► application that you open text files or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► audio in or some simple thing like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► I think that's my take on sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► mostly good but it all depends on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Apple handles the rollout and execution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► and how developers handle it and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► feeling optimistic about that in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► though right yeah because like where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► they're doing it now is where it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► so much sense like I want Safari to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► chopped up into little pieces in sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► I want PDF rendering to be off in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► separate process and all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► stuff from a user's perspective all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► those things are good and I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► happy when and when I if I download a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► little Mac application that lets me edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► audio or something that it doesn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► full access to the file system it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► doesn't need to be able to turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► camera or the microphone on my monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► and all sorts of that they're their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► entitlements for all sorts of stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► that right I'm glad that Apple is making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► sure that an application some simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► application like that like a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► doesn't need to do things that are way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► outside the realm it's it's malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► protection basically so that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► good use of Apple's power and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► as long as they avoid the bad uses I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► think it'll turn out okay you know who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► a really a big proponent of sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► who's that source Fitz calm these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► make amazing software software design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► development services for iOS Mac they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► even do Android do you know if Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► anyway they also do web stuff there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► they're a bleeding edge kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► company they they're on top of this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► this stuff we're talking about now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► that's new they've been this is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► this is all hat for them and their deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► experiencing successful track record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► will ensure your idea because you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► them with an idea that's what these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► do you go to them with an idea you say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► have an idea I don't know what to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► have this great idea and they said don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► worry about it we'll make you a visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► stunning world-class app in no time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► know how to do this they'll save you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► time and money by getting it done right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► they're very diamond seriously these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► guys they're cutting edges Tom man if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► you want something done and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► thing people show up with an idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► they say well I guess I have to go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► and review iOS developers I guess I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► to go on Craigslist and then hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► somebody or whatever you don't I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► but typical projects that's not how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► want to get started you just call these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► guys you go to source bits calm you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► them look I heard about you guys on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► set me up give me a good you know get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► going here and in days you'll have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► prototype app up and running and working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► outsource boots comm they do web apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► too don't forget about that check em out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► tell them we send your source Fitz comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► check it out they do sandboxing yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► everyone will I think the motivation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► be in the Mac App Store is very high and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► if an application can conceivably be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► the Mac App Store according to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► rules most developers want their app to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► be there at this point even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► still sell it separately they still they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► want to be available in as many markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► as possible in the Mac App Store has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► been driving sales for people so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► are some of these other things you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► to talk because I still think you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► still think people want to hear more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► about your rants on them the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► interface have you have you been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► line now yet is your primary oh no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► gonna be a while before I upgrade a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► while why what absolutely waiting for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► still have to figure out what I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► I really don't is it doesn't hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► there's quick and just not run is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► the profit just won't run or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► doesn't run does not law doesn't realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► so I need to do you use Quicken for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► personal finances yeah yeah so I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► figure out what I'm going to do there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► start auditioning applications I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► Photoshop because I don't like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► having Photoshop on my system I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► a copy of a corn and a couple other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► programs that I purchased but I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► like Photoshop even though I use one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► eight thousandth of its functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► I'm used to it and occasionally I do use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► one or two of the more advanced features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► so I gotta figure what I'm going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► there yeah I'm collecting updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► versions of applications now I've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► updated version of macfuse some of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► open store stuff I'll probably rebuild I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► don't know it's going to be awhile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► it work it's a similar issue where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► have to use disk encryption at work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► I don't know if the if work has yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► approved Apple's disk encryption so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► is what I was going to ask you we spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► a lot of time last week John talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► about the encryption and then you came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► I didn't I dang I didn't put in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► week's show notes but it's a great link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► somebody actually ran some benchmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► they actually have some legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► performance hit you will you will feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► and it was bigger than you made it seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► to be honest well I added two links I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► was just basically posting links that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► other people sent me I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► Providence of these things are what Alex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► tends to the testing was what if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► sends me some information with a graph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► all retweeted right all you all you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► to get John to retweet something is send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► to have a graph on the page and you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► retweet you if it's something useful so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► performance was not really impacted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► write performance was like like 50% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► reduction uh and so I just posted that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► there was no explanation accompanying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► was just like this guy did this testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► he's the benchmark here's the graph he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► produced that's a lot though 50% all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► right so a little bit later someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► produced another graph that showed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► much much lower hit with a different SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► and a different system I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► if the benchmark was a shame showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► that reads were not really affected that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► much and rights were barely affected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► that was a dramatic difference from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► guy's testing on his machine with it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► a state to another guy's testing so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► go I mean we're the benchmarks different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► different is because one had different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► drivers that you know I I make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► can draw their own conclusions I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► information about these two people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► benchmarks or what they mean now I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► see some interesting theories one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► to understand about SSDs is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► have to write data in big hunking blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► even if you just update like one byte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► somewhere they can't just go in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► and twiddle the bits in that one byte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► what they have to do is take an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► region I forget how big these regions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► are what they're called this correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► terminology if you go to the Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► page on SSDs or flash storage they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► to wipe the entire region and rewrite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► with the change inside it so as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► imagine doing writes could potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► be a lot slower than than doing reads if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► you have to erase some big giant region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► before you write it in there and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► person's theory was that a lot of SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► have firmware on them or you know chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► that try to figure out just just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► deltas between what's there now and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► efficient about just writing the deltas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► even though they have to clear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► entire area and since when you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► change one or two little bits if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► underlying storage is encrypted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► entire block could actually change and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► not just those one or two bits because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► in the unencrypted world you change one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► into a little bits but when you re [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► encrypt that the whole frickin block is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► changed and so then you have to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► the diff is 100% no matter what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► change even if you just change one byte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► in this area that was one theory I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► some guy put forward to why the write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► performance would be so massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► affected the reads wouldn't be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► effective as we were just saying read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► this it just comes right off the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► and gets decrypted so it would mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► it's not the encryption and decryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► process that's slowing it down but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► the fact that changing one byte in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► decrypted world means changing in making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► the entire block different in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► encrypted world and so that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► account for the writes being so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► slower but but again the second test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► that showed the rights weren't is slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► maybe that's a different set of firmware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► or smaller block size different kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► flash I don't know the details though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► I'm saying is that if you have concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► remember that encryption is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► reversible you can encrypt a small disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► into a benchmark on it yourself with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► your actual design and decrypt it or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► could just you know take a hands-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► approach and say I'm not going to I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► not going to try this until I see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► a lot of people are saying hey i heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► john recommending encryption so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► going and doing it that's all well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► good remember I also I'm also not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► upgrading my own computer I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► recommending making really good backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► you're not absolved of responsibility or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► using these features because I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► was good you have to do your own due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► diligence and really decide based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► what you know for a fact whether whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► this will hurt your particular usage see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► I actually disagree I just do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► you recommend and I assume that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► going to vet it and and prequalify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and if you say I mean if you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► you do it it's good enough for me well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► every now that's the value of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► John value to show is if you come in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► roll in you're like mothers what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► I'm done I'm I'm gonna do that I'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► I did run it for months and months all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► the devils I never had a single problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► but you don't have the same hardware as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► me and you and I certainly wasn't doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► any disk intensive operations so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► know all the saying is that I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► noticed a performance hit in my casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► testing operations oh it is reversible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► make a good backup encrypt your disk let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► it go overnight right run the thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► a day or two if you don't notice a speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► hit and it works fine for you then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► you're fine if you think it's bothering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► you're causing a speed hook then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► reverse it a lot of people are giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► false positives on it like where Gus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► Mueller I think a guy who makes a corn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► and Voodoo pad and a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► applications flying meat software he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► tweeted that he had encrypted his disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► and was going to reverse it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► was making everything much slower and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► then a couple minutes later he tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► actually it wasn't the encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► because I decrypt it and things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► still slow and I gotta figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► this problem actually is so anytime you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► change anything is a tendency to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► and blame any problems you have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► whatever it is that you just did so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► know do good a be testing do benchmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► if you want or just wait on the web to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► see people do better benchmarks I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► just wait for I'll just wait for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► say what to do yeah I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► encrypt my Mac Pro because at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► because it doesn't move so do you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► worry do you ever worried somebody might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► break in your house while you're gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► and like get on your computer and or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► take the whole computer take the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► on there that you know your quicken you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► go quicken yeah that's not there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► nothing in quick it doesn't anyone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► interested in my finances would learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► all about my finances but not like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► passwords are all in their their bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► accounting of money and various accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► all I know is I want to get in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► see your quicken I wouldn't steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► anything I would just look around poke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► around in there benevolent Hank yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► don't worry too much about people bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► thankfully that's good oh you wanna do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► hfs+ disc stuff AJ you know I like HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► discussions because well I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► was one of the areas that we didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► to cover last week and that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► that is very I mean maybe we make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► our final topic but I think I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► is very much an interesting interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► thing to talk about for me because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► know if you think back to the the olden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► HFS was ahead of its time HFS was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► HFS used to be a really wonderful file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► system that did things that few few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► other file systems were capable of am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► right yeah it was in it for its time not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► so much cutting edge in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► file system particulars but in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► what the file system decided to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► you know let me think about this rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► resource Forks and stuff like that think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► about this let's go back in time let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► go back in time to I guess we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► about systems 7 on the Mac and what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► what was going on in the windows world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► workgroups or just Windows 3.1 I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► remember but it was something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► it was a you know have you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► back much farther that HFS was really no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► I'm not saying HFS I'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► point something out I'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► point something out at that time period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► is that while Windows was in the 3.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► time Microsoft DOS ms-dos and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► type win to launch Windows and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► couldn't you couldn't do things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► Windows at that time and there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► of people who they weren't even alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► they weren't even using computers if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► they were alive at this time period I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► listeners that might have never gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► through this and I'm sure you went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► through this kind of thing on the Mac if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► you wanted to you could put you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► have an app running an application sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► old school terms an application they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► could just sit on the desktop you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► double-click it to launch it that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► oh you don't want it there you put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► another folder drag it to another folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► there were very it mattered very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► where things were I mean obviously if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► you wanted your extensions to load they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► had to be in in your extensions folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► in your system folder but I mean other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► than that you could put stuff wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► applications while they were running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► pick him up drag and put him somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► else people in a like so what big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► right who cares well back then I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► that was a big deal that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► big selling points of the Mac is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► just stuff worked the way that the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► that they got a little bit tougher about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► that because it's a you know UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► underpinnings so they they got a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► bit tougher but it's still pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► like that but well if you moved one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► something I mean it just wouldn't work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► flat-out not work I remember when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► I used to be an IT support guy and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► lady called me down to her office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► she said Dan you know my computer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► acting really weird it gets acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► really weird really weird again it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► doing something really weird is it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► right no you don't come down so I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► down her office and it was it was acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► very weird all kinds of really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► dialog boxes things are crashing looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► around so you know first thing you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► you launch Windows Explorer or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► it was back then you look and and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► had two folders at the root of her hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► drive now this is back in the days where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► you had to have like a C colon slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► Windows and inside of that there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► Windows system I mean it was very you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► had to have certain things set up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► just so she had two folders one was her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► name I don't remember let's just say her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► name was Janine Janine that was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► folder Janine and then there was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► folder called stupid stuff and she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► while the system was running she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► moved the windows and the windows system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► and everything she had moved that into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► the stupid stuff folder because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► stupid she didn't like that she didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► want to see that at the root of her hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► so she had moved it there I mean when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► the machine was just going crazy I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► everything would have worked but going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► back to the whole file system thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► could you could have case sensitivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► navigate the file system and I'm much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► more pleasant much easier way and a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► part of that was that was what HFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► allowed you to do you could have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► know certain files opening with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► applications that you actually want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► to and there wasn't some registry that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► you would need to edit to make a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► I mean you give it some credit man what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► the big innovation that I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► original HFS had in long filenames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► obviously because in the PC world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► was not common then no you couldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► couldn't do that for real you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► the file name with the little tilde on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► it and that was that was only Windows 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► yeah 80 10 years before you have long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► names the lack of file name extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► because there was other metadata that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► used instead of filename extension so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► the file name was completely in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► domain of the user and they did file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► tracking through unique IDs that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► unique that was the vault it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► volume ID and then a file ID so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► move the file while it was open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► applications keep track of it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► they were referencing it by its unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► ID not by its names you could move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► rename it and the application would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► still know where it was some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► things had a little backsliding in Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► OS 10 the extensions file extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► came on we should do a whole show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► finally I'm extending as well just yell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► tracking files a lot of the next derived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► applications tracked files by paths and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► if you moved the file out of the way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► renamed it they would lose track of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► they fixed most of these things over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► course of Mac OS 10 were they that raw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► right now we have a way to track the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► file when it's renamed we have a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► hide the extensions we have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► system for binding files to applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► we have long file names like we always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► had but we have you know HFS+ bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► Unicode support in 1999 or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► was introduced so there was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► of backsliding into the bad old world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► and some of that we've never fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► recovered from like filing sentence but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► yeah HFS was a pretty good file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► but I'm in all my Mac OS 10 reviews over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► the years I've been complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► the file system or asking when we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► going to get a new file system or in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► about for years and years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► about well what about ZFS or even before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► that Apple hired the guy over the B file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► system for from bos oh is he going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► make a new file system for Apple so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► things looking to making a new file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► system and most people aren't interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► like they don't know what the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► system is they don't even know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► mean by a file system do that they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► I mean the finder or where folders are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► or something like that then if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► difficult to explain to somebody oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► is the piece of software that manages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► we're on the spinning disk or on the SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► the data for your files are stored and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► when you ask for a file to be looked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► it figures out you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► keeping indexes of files and information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► about which files and what directory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► what the files are named and where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► the blocks that make up those files are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► are you know that if you don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► a file system is is difficult to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► so I've been complaining about this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► years and nothing's been happening like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► there was we almost got ZFS years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► years ago when I think we like Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► Leopard server was coming out on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► comm it said and a great new feature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► Snow Leopard server ZFS it's this great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► new file system and this is this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► made to the apple.com website long after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► there had been talk on the web that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► Apple was porting ZFS and Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► posted publicly - mailing lists hey we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► want to pour ZFS to Mac OS 10 if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► want to help come on board we'll hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► you you'll be a contract or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► just so much will meant to be behind ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► going on to Mac OS 10 a ZFS what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► don't know is that file system created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► by Sun that was like a next-generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► file system I did I mean this thing did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► ever this thing was this was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► the bomb the ZFS this is what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► were ruling this is what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► killing for it was it was made for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► server operating system though it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► never really quite a good fit for client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► operating system but but the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► Apple got so far along with this process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► that they actually put on their publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► accessible website that regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► could see this line item on a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► listing the features of an upcoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► operating system the server won't only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► not the client but it was there but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► we all know they took that off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► webpage Snow Leopard was released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► without any official ZFS support except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► for like this open source thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► could download and install that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► always buggy and weird and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► those projects died out some people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► it was because of legal reasons or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► licensing some people say it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► others say it's because it was not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► file system just didn't perform up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► the standards that it needs to perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► it wasn't a good fit for it was maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► good fit for servers but not a good fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► for apples client operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► certainly not a good fit for iOS all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► sorts of reasons why it didn't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► but the bottom line is that now we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► left with HFS+ which has been as I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► in the review of Mac OS the Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► itself got a big reset when we went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 classic Mac OS in Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► have very very little in common except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► philosophy the code bases are very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► different from each other so that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► next-generation operating system with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► all sorts of wizzy new features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► next-generation file system instead we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► just stuck with the file system that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► the current file system in classic mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► OS m and a lot of stuff has been added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► to it over the years journaling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► extended attributes internal compression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► and and now they've added encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► through the core storage stuff which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► actually a layer above the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► itself and I thought I would take time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► in this review finally to explain why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► I care what why do I think we need a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► fastest one all seems fine if you asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► a regular person if you were able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► adequately explain to them what a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► system is they'd be like all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► so the one I have obviously gets the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► done because I see my files and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► open and close just fine and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► save files and what's the big deal so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► tried to explain here's what's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► with HFS+ here's why we need another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► file system like here's how the state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► the artist moved on I tried to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► saying look at this specific modern file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► system and things it has HFS doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► because then people would just say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► well that may be true but like if I pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► ZFS that may be true but ZFS takes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► of memory see if I super slow about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► logging file systems turn random you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► know sequential reads into random reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► sequential writes in that and that data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► particular application and but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► so many reasons you can shoot down any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► other particular alternative and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► wouldn't argue with them all I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► is that hfs+ is showing its age really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► badly so I listed all sorts of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► legacy things that H of s does you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► specific technical details that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► show the mega hfs+ show its age but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► the bottom line is that in my daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► experience using Mac OS 10 and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► else is probably it's you know if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► to list the the things that are wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► the the biggest one is that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► reliable like if you just run a Mac for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► a year and and at the end of that year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► you're on Disk Utility it will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► find errors not hardware errors but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► software errors on the disk where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► know this this particular note it'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► some weird thing you won't understand if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► you don't understand the internals of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► hs+ but like you know incorrect thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► crown incorrect extent node count you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► know some some metadata about the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► data for a particular file is arranged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► or the way the files in a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► directory are arranged is incorrect and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► usually that data can be fixed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► scanning the filesystem finding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► correct number and putting it in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► but if you get an accumulation of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► errors or a bad one of them in the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► place you can lose data sometimes lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► of data one of the things I pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► and the Articles that they added hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► links to directories to HFS+ them I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► going to go into explaining what hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► links are but it's it's a just for now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► know that it's a they thing from UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► that the Mac operating system didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► have and when Mac OS 10 came along they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► needed support for hard links and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► when Time Machine came along they used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► hard links to directories which was even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► odd in the world of UNIX so they needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► to add support for that to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► system and the way they added it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► that this little directory of the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► level your hard drive called HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► private day there or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► with some non-printing characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► invisible you can't normally see it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► can't normally get to it but it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► and for every hard link they just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► little file in that directory and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► the hard links on the entire disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► representative file in that directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► now when you do a time machine back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► there are millions and files on a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► know average sized Mac disk and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► make Time Machine backups they make hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► links between them so they don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► have 20 copies of the same file if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► have twenty different backups instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► they have one copy of the file and 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► hard links so if you were to count up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► how many hard links you have in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► directory on your time machine volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► you would see this hundreds of thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► of hard links all sitting in a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► directory and I think even regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4258">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► people can understand that if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► thousands of files in it that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► it's pushing the limits of the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► system and if you ever get any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► corruption in that directory you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► directory the content of that directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► applied to the entire disk scary things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► like that are because they had to hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► the implementation of hard links in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► particular manner now there are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► implementation for example it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► fast much faster than it is on most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► modern file systems to enumerate all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► hard disk hard links on a disk because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► they're all in that same directory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► in fact base press Plus actually stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► some more information where you can from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► a particular file trace it back to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► the other files that are hard link for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► another thing it's very difficult to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► in traditional UNIX file system so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► they've taken advantage of their hacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► implementations when they could but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► still not ideal and it's not the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► would probably do it if you didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► to retrofit a feature to an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► file system of that breaking binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► compatibility so that's why I spent all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► this time in this review talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► HFS+ giving concrete details and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► trying to express to regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► here's why we need a new file system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► the thing I would want out of a new file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► system is number one better reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► I'd like to run a Mac for a year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► then run some disk checker on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► everything's fine because our software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► is correct and bug free and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► reason you're going to have a problem in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► inconsistent metadata is if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► hardware problem like I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► software problems to cause this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► supposed to be the promise of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► like the data journaling metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► journaling log structured file systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► horrible crash and or someone Yanks out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► the plug on the computer I'm okay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► losing whatever two or three files were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► in flight at that time but when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► internal structures of the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► to be consistent with with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► even if it's missing some data it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► shouldn't be corrupted because that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► accumulate you've seen this happen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► people's Mac swear that they'll just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► using a laptop for years and years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► all of a sudden one day it won't boot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► will be missing some file and it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► hardware problem the hardware is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► fine it's just the accumulation of HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► metadata corruption has gotten to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► point where now they've lost a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► data or need to recover with this quarry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► or some other tool or it's I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► that should happen anymore and in modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► that you will be much more resilient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► this type of thing and the second thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► I talk about which this this is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► hfs+ I would fault every existing modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► file system except for maybe ZFS and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► few other ones is that file systems tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► to trust the hardware stack implicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► they trust that when the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► says write this bit sequence to a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► and sends it off through the IO layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► they trusted that actually happened and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► the next time they say read me this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► region of that file that I just wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► they assume the stuff that comes off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► disk is what they wrote before but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► don't check they don't say well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► but they have no idea like you've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► know three days later you've rebooted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► the computer three times when you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► that section of that file that you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► earlier you don't know what you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► earlier so the application certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► can't check that it's correct it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► implicitly accepts it oh well so the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► disk and i/o subsystem fed me back this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► data this must be what's in the file and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► maybe this what's in the file but is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► what you wrote before you don't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► what why would it not be why would why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► would the data be mismatched well there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► there can be firmware errors with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► the firmware for the i/o system like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► SATA chip or a raid chip or any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► type of thing that's between you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► your disk the disk itself can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► hardware problems where some bits get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► and people I said well that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► paranoia that doesn't happen that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► the the incidence of hardware problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► causing data to come off the disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► being correct or so incredibly rare so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► there's been a lot of studies on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► rare is this actually and in large data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► centers or server farms or other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► that have lots of disks lots of i/o and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► it is rare but the volume of data that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► we have is increasing so much that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► rare as it is you know it's like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► have if you have a 1 million you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► there's only a one in a million chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► of something that means like 300 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► I'm bad at math here but one in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► million sounds like a lot but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► there's billions of people in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► wondering a million you have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► selection if that's your choice so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► there's a one in three billion chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► but disks suddenly expand to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► hundreds of billions of bytes suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► it's starting to become a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► more likely and that's what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► with storage everywhere the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► storage we have is just going up up up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► everywhere our storage is going up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► increasingly precious to us like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► family photos and movies which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► irreplaceable priceless and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► copies of because everyone has digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► cameras and takes digital video and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► many backups as you have I'll just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► back observing well if this corruption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► on your disk and you make a backup of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► you're just making a backup of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► corruption you know like if the if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► picture of your favorite picture of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► son or daughter is if the couple bites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► got screwed up onto it because of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► hardware problem on your disk and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► make a backup of it when you ask the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► disk for those bytes it's going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► you the corrupted scrambled bytes so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► you have a backup of it and say you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► that backup and you push it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► backup online because you're using an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► online backup service and you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► whole thing that we talked about in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► backup vortex thing all you're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► propagating the corruption to all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► your backups possibly wiping out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► diversions that weren't corrupt because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► eventually you know old versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► files even if your backup service holds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► old versions like Time Machine holds old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► versions and some online ones have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► eventually your corruption will push out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► all the old versions and then two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► later when you try to make a slideshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► let me look at the picture of my child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► when you know when he or she was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► favorite picture and it's all scrambled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► you're screwed and it's all because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► i/o system in the operating system in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► the file system did no verification that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► the data that it wrote really was data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► that got stored there this is one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► the biggest selling point of ZFS is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► it has provable data integrity where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► does not trust the hardware to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► right thing it confirms that it has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► the right thing with a series of check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► sums at various levels in the stack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► you say well so so what but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► these check sums and now it knows it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► an error why is why is that helpful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► well because ZFS will tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► there's corruption and it has strategies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► that you can do to to mitigate that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► one strategy is it can do a thing called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► diddle blocks where it writes the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► data to multiple locations either on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► multiple disks or even on the same disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► it can write the same data to multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► locations so that if one version of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► data is corrupt it will still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► good version it can repair itself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► heal itself if it tries to heal itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► on the healing fails then it can sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► they can make alert you and say hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► disk where you're storing stuff it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► doing what we're telling it to we told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► the store of the sequence of bytes when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► we did the checksum it's not storing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► them it's giving us back some different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► data and we tried to fix it and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► whatever so you should do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► or you you know you could be alerted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► Apple's implementation the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► devices is failing and it has a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► you should do something about it now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► that will alert you in time to not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► the backup copy of this data propagate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► across all your backups across all times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► whatever you're keeping you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► something about it at that point instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► of just silently going everywhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► corrupting everything and of course they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► can do multi volume raid type situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► where it spreads your data over multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► discs then you have real protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► because I can say this this is going bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► you could just yank out the disk throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► in another one and it will you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► refill with the data this is the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► thing that I think is not a frill and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► not a silly thing that only servers need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► that eventually it should be a required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► feature of all devices that store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► digital data that they should not trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► the hardware they should be trust but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► they should have check sums in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► piece of data that they put on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► permanent storage and confirm that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► they're correct and if they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► notify the user and HFS+ so lien doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► do that and neither do many other file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► systems with ZFS does so those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► two those are the two Biggie's on HFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► it's and notice I didn't even list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► performance or anything like that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► their big issue there as well but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► there's reliability don't don't corrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► yourself there's no hardware problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► don't want the file system self screwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► up and then there is data integrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► which they're totally not touching at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► all do something about data integrity if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► it has to be there performance is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► third one where there's lots of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► silly things that HFS does in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► performance that are not up to snuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► alarm the biggest one is that like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► anyone is writing to an H of S Plus disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► it's one at a time you can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► concurrent writes so if any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► process wants to write something has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► wait because it's one big global lock on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► the entire catalog file of a metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► for the entire volume that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► ridiculous in an age of 18 cores you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► know you imagine you have like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► raid setup that appears as a single hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► volume you have 17 spindles you can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► write to one at once because because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► file system says well I've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► global lock nobody else can right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► pretty hard yeah so all this I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► know what Apple is going to do in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► area I'd ZFS plus the right choice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► maybe it isn't especially with SSDs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► office of SSDs versus spinning disks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► very different so it seems like if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► ever did make a next-generation file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► system or adopt one from elsewhere it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► should be designed with SSDs in mind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► not spinning disks in mind because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► is clearly the future so whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► do it could look very different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► even from any existing file system but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► eventually and I don't think they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► get there by continuing to retrofit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► stuff on to HFS+ forever and ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► because it's already kind of creaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► Oh that'd be good title creaking under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► maybe so that's it though John we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► her we get a wrap this Anna I'm 84 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► minutes allowed to I'm allowed to bump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4840">TS</a>]
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01:20:58 ◼ ► for Ark despite you not wanting to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► actually talk about Ark despite Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► being tired of that topic alright so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4864">TS</a>]
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01:22:35 ◼ ► schedule so you can see when we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4955">TS</a>]
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01:22:38 ◼ ► vacation we won't see you next week but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4958">TS</a>]
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