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28: Trust, But Verify

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/0">TS</a>]

00:00:02 ◼   ► you are listening to hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2">TS</a>]

00:00:04 ◼   ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06 ◼   ► what is wrong in the world of Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/6">TS</a>]

00:00:09 ◼   ► related technologies and businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/9">TS</a>]

00:00:10 ◼   ► nothing is so perfect cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/10">TS</a>]

00:00:13 ◼   ► complained about by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15 ◼   ► siracusa i'm dan benjamin this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/15">TS</a>]

00:00:18 ◼   ► episode number 28 we'd like to say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/18">TS</a>]

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00:00:56 ◼   ► them out at - green tech calm so John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/56">TS</a>]

00:00:59 ◼   ► this is a big week do you know why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01 ◼   ► is a big week why is this a big week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03 ◼   ► this is a big week because this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05 ◼   ► week after your Lian review came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08 ◼   ► a week after we did the week after we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/68">TS</a>]

00:01:12 ◼   ► did the show alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15 ◼   ► it is this exciting stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/75">TS</a>]

00:01:19 ◼   ► sure and I have some good news for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► in fact I think I think this is you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► set a record here whether you know it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26 ◼   ► not a big record got set more downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/86">TS</a>]

00:01:31 ◼   ► in one week of our last show than any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/91">TS</a>]

00:01:35 ◼   ► show in the history of this network 5x5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38 ◼   ► power of lion Dan over 1 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41 ◼   ► downloads of your show did you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/101">TS</a>]

00:01:44 ◼   ► email that I sent you I did I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/104">TS</a>]

00:01:45 ◼   ► congratulations are in order to you sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47 ◼   ► congratulations to you biggest week ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/107">TS</a>]

00:01:50 ◼   ► biggest week of your life I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/110">TS</a>]

00:01:53 ◼   ► about that but yeah sure it's a big week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/113">TS</a>]

00:01:56 ◼   ► come on did you laugh was that human a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58 ◼   ► human emotion coming through yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00 ◼   ► exciting you've updated your program see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02 ◼   ► how much of it is sustained you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04 ◼   ► this is kind of a lumpy type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06 ◼   ► phenomenon where once every two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08 ◼   ► big review comes out lots of activity in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10 ◼   ► traffic and then it settles down so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12 ◼   ► we'll see I don't know I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you may have just earned yourself a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15 ◼   ► handful of new listeners in the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17 ◼   ► I hope so I hope so too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20 ◼   ► I think so I know so I always wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24 ◼   ► what my like my glass ceiling is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/144">TS</a>]

00:02:27 ◼   ► readers or listeners because the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/147">TS</a>]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I talk about and the way I talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/150">TS</a>]

00:02:31 ◼   ► them probably have a pretty narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34 ◼   ► appeal so C is a with you I've you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/154">TS</a>]

00:02:38 ◼   ► like how many people in the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/158">TS</a>]

00:02:39 ◼   ► who are not related to me would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41 ◼   ► interested in listening to me talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43 ◼   ► this stuff apparently quite a few well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46 ◼   ► and what percentage of that that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/166">TS</a>]

00:02:47 ◼   ► already have the same thing with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/167">TS</a>]

00:02:48 ◼   ► like you always wondering uh what could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51 ◼   ► Mac marketshare possibly be like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54 ◼   ► the what is the ceiling on that could it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/174">TS</a>]

00:02:55 ◼   ► ever be 90 percent 50 25 what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/175">TS</a>]

00:02:58 ◼   ► point after which Apple's philosophy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01 ◼   ► making not the cheapest possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/181">TS</a>]

00:03:05 ◼   ► computer that you can make when does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/185">TS</a>]

00:03:06 ◼   ► that become a limiting factor for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08 ◼   ► you know what I mean same thing with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/188">TS</a>]

00:03:09 ◼   ► so I think there's plenty of room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11 ◼   ► both the Mac and me to grow well I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14 ◼   ► I certainly think so I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16 ◼   ► think you're anywhere near your glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/196">TS</a>]

00:03:17 ◼   ► ceiling I always think about the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/197">TS</a>]

00:03:20 ◼   ► who subscribe to Gruber's podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23 ◼   ► read his thing and follow him on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25 ◼   ► and I wonder what percentage like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/205">TS</a>]

00:03:30 ◼   ► someone follows John Gruber on Twitter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/210">TS</a>]

00:03:31 ◼   ► say why isn't that person following me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/211">TS</a>]

00:03:32 ◼   ► because we talk about the same type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34 ◼   ► things but he talked about them on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36 ◼   ► website and I talked about them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38 ◼   ► Twitter if you follow him on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/218">TS</a>]

00:03:39 ◼   ► you're hearing about baseball and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/219">TS</a>]

00:03:42 ◼   ► know all sorts of other topics and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43 ◼   ► doesn't even tweet that much maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45 ◼   ► that's why he has so many followers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46 ◼   ► if you read his website he talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48 ◼   ► Apple stuff all the time if you follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50 ◼   ► me on Twitter I talk about Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52 ◼   ► all the time so I wonder what percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55 ◼   ► of his followers like that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56 ◼   ► like my glass ceiling I could never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58 ◼   ► possibly have more than he has but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00 ◼   ► the people who follow him and listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/240">TS</a>]

00:04:01 ◼   ► him it seems like there should be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/241">TS</a>]

00:04:05 ◼   ► significant overlap between those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/245">TS</a>]

00:04:08 ◼   ► and the people will be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/248">TS</a>]

00:04:09 ◼   ► what I had to say so I have a long way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11 ◼   ► to go I would I think that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13 ◼   ► but in a way I mean what you do and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/253">TS</a>]

00:04:17 ◼   ► he does I see him is very very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19 ◼   ► very different things I mean he his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/259">TS</a>]

00:04:23 ◼   ► whole like for him Twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/263">TS</a>]

00:04:27 ◼   ► at best supplementary but for you that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/267">TS</a>]

00:04:30 ◼   ► sort of the primary way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/270">TS</a>]

00:04:31 ◼   ► communicate yeah it's true I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/271">TS</a>]

00:04:35 ◼   ► like you're second at my second email I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37 ◼   ► think that's like a a demerit though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/277">TS</a>]

00:04:40 ◼   ► because people don't like it when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42 ◼   ► fill their Twitter feed with stuff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/282">TS</a>]

00:04:44 ◼   ► much easier to follow somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46 ◼   ► tweets every couple of days one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49 ◼   ► you know you don't have the urge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/289">TS</a>]

00:04:50 ◼   ► unfollow that person if they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/290">TS</a>]

00:04:53 ◼   ► filling your stream with a bunch of crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54 ◼   ► whereas if you follow me every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that's going to be wanted your tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/297">TS</a>]

00:04:58 ◼   ► probably and if you don't like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00 ◼   ► wanted your tweets you like why am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/300">TS</a>]

00:05:01 ◼   ► following this guy am i interested in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► stuff and yon fall you're saying you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05 ◼   ► saying with you you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/305">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► getting yet you're going to get kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/306">TS</a>]

00:05:07 ◼   ► occasionally geeky Apple related crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/307">TS</a>]

00:05:12 ◼   ► yeah but it's I think it's similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/312">TS</a>]

00:05:15 ◼   ► the stuff that the Gruber posts just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17 ◼   ► without the bases yeah at least in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19 ◼   ► linked list he'll a lot of the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21 ◼   ► that he has on his side I will also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23 ◼   ► tweet about and vice versa you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/323">TS</a>]

00:05:27 ◼   ► technology stories of the day related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/327">TS</a>]

00:05:28 ◼   ► Apple so it's just a different medium to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/328">TS</a>]

00:05:32 ◼   ► get that information when you at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34 ◼   ► for this week regardless of what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36 ◼   ► glass ceiling is this week you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/336">TS</a>]

00:05:40 ◼   ► number one revel in it yeah all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/340">TS</a>]

00:05:45 ◼   ► people who subscribe should also leave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47 ◼   ► review because my review count is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49 ◼   ► way lower than the talk show as well a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/349">TS</a>]

00:05:50 ◼   ► lot of catching up to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52 ◼   ► I mean I'm starting to catch you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54 ◼   ► terms of Twitter followers though but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/354">TS</a>]

00:05:55 ◼   ► I noticed that you did have a nice boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57 ◼   ► there recently but you're still growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59 ◼   ► faster so I don't think I'll ever catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01 ◼   ► you I think that's okay I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/361">TS</a>]

00:06:06 ◼   ► always surprised because it's based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/366">TS</a>]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you know based on the sort of polls that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12 ◼   ► I've done there are quite a few people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14 ◼   ► who listen to the shows that just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/374">TS</a>]

00:06:15 ◼   ► use Twitter don't don't do much on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17 ◼   ► Twitter yeah that's weird you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19 ◼   ► weird shame on them so so hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/379">TS</a>]

00:06:24 ◼   ► siracusa on twitter that's you right yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/384">TS</a>]

00:06:28 ◼   ► that's me and just to keep the count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30 ◼   ► going good I'm Tam Benjamin on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32 ◼   ► we don't want John to get too far and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/392">TS</a>]

00:06:34 ◼   ► think we should be tied let's try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36 ◼   ► get tied well say I am that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/396">TS</a>]

00:06:40 ◼   ► about catching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41 ◼   ► anybody on Twitter if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/401">TS</a>]

00:06:42 ◼   ► growth graphs you think gee you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44 ◼   ► growing I'm getting these good boost but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46 ◼   ► then you look at somebody else who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48 ◼   ► maybe 10 times as many followers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/408">TS</a>]

00:06:49 ◼   ► they're growing even faster than you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51 ◼   ► so you'll never catch them so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/411">TS</a>]

00:06:57 ◼   ► gonna talk about line smart today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59 ◼   ► think we have two and the first thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01 ◼   ► have some a few all right I don't often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03 ◼   ► get to do the a few but or at least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05 ◼   ► don't get to contribute as much I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07 ◼   ► to start off by saying you and I both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09 ◼   ► last week me more than you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/429">TS</a>]

00:07:12 ◼   ► complained about this this window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14 ◼   ► animation thing where you you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17 ◼   ► running line you open a new window for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20 ◼   ► an app whether that's you know command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22 ◼   ► and to open a new window or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24 ◼   ► is right you run that and the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/444">TS</a>]

00:07:28 ◼   ► starts at that little center point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30 ◼   ► get this this animation that shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/450">TS</a>]

00:07:33 ◼   ► sort of growing from the center point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/453">TS</a>]

00:07:34 ◼   ► where the fully grown window will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36 ◼   ► right and you and I both said this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/456">TS</a>]

00:07:40 ◼   ► is this is the worst because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/460">TS</a>]

00:07:43 ◼   ► actually makes things feel slower you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/463">TS</a>]

00:07:44 ◼   ► waiting and watching for window to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46 ◼   ► and even if it takes exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48 ◼   ► amount of time as you said same amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50 ◼   ► of time to open a new window that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52 ◼   ► would without the animation the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/472">TS</a>]

00:07:53 ◼   ► animation somehow works to make it feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55 ◼   ► slower so we got we said please tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57 ◼   ► how to get rid of this this is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/477">TS</a>]

00:08:00 ◼   ► get rid of this thing and who was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02 ◼   ► that wrote in to us we got an email and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/482">TS</a>]

00:08:03 ◼   ► I think I didn't know that you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05 ◼   ► already tweeted I would have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/485">TS</a>]

00:08:06 ◼   ► retweeted you but I we both sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08 ◼   ► tweeted it and the guy didn't say who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10 ◼   ► his twitter name was but it was his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12 ◼   ► Trevor or something no it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14 ◼   ► actually in the chat room and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16 ◼   ► either during the show or just after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18 ◼   ► show I just wasn't paying enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/498">TS</a>]

00:08:19 ◼   ► attention to the chat room moves Tomas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21 ◼   ► from Zen I'm so I don't know if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23 ◼   ► mangling his last name it's tio mas F at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26 ◼   ► Twitter and I didn't see his Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28 ◼   ► name yet so he posted it in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/508">TS</a>]

00:08:29 ◼   ► room right he emailed us through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31 ◼   ► feedback form and I believe he also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33 ◼   ► tweeted it so he blanketed all media I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35 ◼   ► believe he was the first one to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/515">TS</a>]

00:08:36 ◼   ► about this thing and he actually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38 ◼   ► didn't actually look it up or find it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39 ◼   ► some web so whatever he did the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42 ◼   ► that people do to find these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/522">TS</a>]

00:08:43 ◼   ► which is you just put a little hook in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45 ◼   ► one of the methods that reads from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47 ◼   ► property lists and then you try Gus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50 ◼   ► trigger the animation and see which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52 ◼   ► property list property it reads pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/534">TS</a>]

00:08:55 ◼   ► yeah I think the way to do it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57 ◼   ► lots of different ways to do it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/537">TS</a>]

00:08:57 ◼   ► obviously he's a programmer knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59 ◼   ► I think he called it's whistling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00 ◼   ► method but as Linda method swizzle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03 ◼   ► such an overloaded word in computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05 ◼   ► science if you go look up like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06 ◼   ► Wikipedia page or google it or double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08 ◼   ► you'll see that swizzle has meant so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10 ◼   ► many different things in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/550">TS</a>]

00:09:11 ◼   ► different contexts but but yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/551">TS</a>]

00:09:12 ◼   ► bottom line is you put a little hook in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13 ◼   ► so you can see when a method runs what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16 ◼   ► it's actually doing and he fent he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/556">TS</a>]

00:09:17 ◼   ► actually found the thing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19 ◼   ► shortly after that I tweeted it and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21 ◼   ► then once I found his Twitter name I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23 ◼   ► gave him credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/563">TS</a>]

00:09:24 ◼   ► through through his uh by putting his ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/564">TS</a>]

00:09:28 ◼   ► name in the next follow-up and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/568">TS</a>]

00:09:29 ◼   ► tweeted it and then we got more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31 ◼   ► emails and started appearing in articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/571">TS</a>]

00:09:32 ◼   ► and even as of today even this morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34 ◼   ► people were still eating me and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36 ◼   ► hey I found this thing so thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/576">TS</a>]

00:09:37 ◼   ► everybody who is sending in this tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/577">TS</a>]

00:09:42 ◼   ► because it is a good one I actually put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43 ◼   ► it in the show notes for the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45 ◼   ► because like I said I found it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/585">TS</a>]

00:09:46 ◼   ► after the show ended and I figured if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48 ◼   ► people go look at the show notes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/588">TS</a>]

00:09:49 ◼   ► good for them to see it I linked to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/589">TS</a>]

00:09:52 ◼   ► secrets application website you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/592">TS</a>]

00:09:55 ◼   ► about secrets yeah secrets is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/595">TS</a>]

00:09:56 ◼   ► app for people who don't know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57 ◼   ► it's essentially it's an app but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59 ◼   ► shows up as a preference pane right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00 ◼   ► system pref yep and it it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/600">TS</a>]

00:10:04 ◼   ► secrets because it has all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06 ◼   ► secret or in some cases secret or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/606">TS</a>]

00:10:07 ◼   ► undocumented or little-known settings so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10 ◼   ► that instead of having an open terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11 ◼   ► and type you know default and then some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14 ◼   ► long string of characters which might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16 ◼   ► frighten some some people this presents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/616">TS</a>]

00:10:19 ◼   ► all of these great little tweaks and app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21 ◼   ► changes and undocumented you know things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/621">TS</a>]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that aren't available from applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27 ◼   ► own preference panes it allows you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29 ◼   ► just go in there check some boxes and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31 ◼   ► even restarts things for you it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33 ◼   ► handy little app is it in Secret Santas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35 ◼   ► this in secret yeah that's where I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37 ◼   ► it was put in sequence by somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39 ◼   ► it was put in by jens Aten or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42 ◼   ► like that he's I believe he's the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44 ◼   ► who talking moose he's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45 ◼   ► well-known Matt talker moose yeah so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47 ◼   ► you can contribute or maybe just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49 ◼   ► stickies app I don't know but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51 ◼   ► contribute to this database this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53 ◼   ► key feature of secrets is it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/653">TS</a>]

00:10:54 ◼   ► a preference pane that as a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56 ◼   ► stuff it reads from an online database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/656">TS</a>]

00:10:59 ◼   ► of Secrets that anyone can contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► so you download the secret application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02 ◼   ► once and you just hit the little update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04 ◼   ► secrets button and within it and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06 ◼   ► pull the latest set of secrets that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07 ◼   ► people have figured out from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/667">TS</a>]

00:11:08 ◼   ► this shared database it's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10 ◼   ► than remembering this side had this tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12 ◼   ► and this side have that tip or googling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/672">TS</a>]

00:11:13 ◼   ► for what you think it is eventually all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15 ◼   ► these things find their way into secrets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and you can search in real-time and find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19 ◼   ► the things that have the keywords if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20 ◼   ► just search for animation or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/680">TS</a>]

00:11:21 ◼   ► you would find this one you can see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23 ◼   ► it's not just for the system it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25 ◼   ► individual applications like they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/685">TS</a>]

00:11:26 ◼   ► ones for members looking to list now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28 ◼   ► they have ones for the DVD player for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30 ◼   ► the fission app for acorn just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/690">TS</a>]

00:11:33 ◼   ► third-party apps Apple apps everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35 ◼   ► so I highly so I highly recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38 ◼   ► secrets it's in the show notes or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40 ◼   ► it's not I'll put it there it's a secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/700">TS</a>]

00:11:41 ◼   ► stop black tree comm great a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43 ◼   ► great little app yep it's a good tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45 ◼   ► shame on them for not sponsoring oh wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47 ◼   ► they can it's free so that's alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49 ◼   ► great tip though and it's in there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/709">TS</a>]

00:11:52 ◼   ► that's what you're saying so we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53 ◼   ► getting a lot of emails from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55 ◼   ► still saying have you have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57 ◼   ► this is how you do it so we appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00 ◼   ► all of those is what you're also seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01 ◼   ► right we thank you for sale because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03 ◼   ► asked to be told and you know they told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05 ◼   ► us at the magic of the podcast that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/725">TS</a>]

00:12:06 ◼   ► shows the power of hypercritical versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08 ◼   ► the power of the article that millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/728">TS</a>]

00:12:10 ◼   ► of people read and nobody knows about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12 ◼   ► the fact that I had said I really look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14 ◼   ► forward to knowing this usually when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/734">TS</a>]

00:12:15 ◼   ► ask for something within a Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17 ◼   ► review I got a flood of evil nobody sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19 ◼   ► an email I was afraid that those citing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/739">TS</a>]

00:12:20 ◼   ► didn't even exist but then the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22 ◼   ► mention it once immediately we get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24 ◼   ► answer so maybe you should quit writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26 ◼   ► and just do more shows yeah maybe so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/746">TS</a>]

00:12:30 ◼   ► we should also mention there were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/750">TS</a>]

00:12:31 ◼   ► handful of people I I don't remember if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33 ◼   ► there's email more or Twitter but it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35 ◼   ► in one or both of those places a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37 ◼   ► of people said to me you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/757">TS</a>]

00:12:41 ◼   ► typical dead volt devil's advocate which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43 ◼   ► is not only don't they make it seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/763">TS</a>]

00:12:46 ◼   ► slower they are clarifying the meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49 ◼   ► of what's happening and we have tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51 ◼   ► tons of people on our network or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53 ◼   ► where we work or whatever it is wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55 ◼   ► this person or people have you that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/775">TS</a>]

00:12:58 ◼   ► actually clarifies what's going on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00 ◼   ► there are so many people out there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01 ◼   ► they click something and they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03 ◼   ► don't know that a window is opening and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05 ◼   ► they sit there wondering for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/785">TS</a>]

00:13:06 ◼   ► has a window opened is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09 ◼   ► happening I don't know I saw some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12 ◼   ► windows person talking about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14 ◼   ► the windows person had a good point as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15 ◼   ► it relates to windows I don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/795">TS</a>]

00:13:16 ◼   ► windows much but I use it enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18 ◼   ► understand what this person was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20 ◼   ► it was the when you use Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22 ◼   ► especially older versions of Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/802">TS</a>]

00:13:23 ◼   ► Windows 7 is apparently better in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25 ◼   ► regard and I never used SS I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27 ◼   ► but like an XP and earlier versions if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30 ◼   ► you did something in Windows opened an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32 ◼   ► application either by double-clicking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34 ◼   ► or by clicking a little the taskbar icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36 ◼   ► in the taskbar the quick launch area or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38 ◼   ► anything like that you'd click it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you'd be like nothing what happened on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43 ◼   ► the screen you would say well it did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45 ◼   ► register that quick that I did I miss is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/825">TS</a>]

00:13:46 ◼   ► it is the application launching like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48 ◼   ► there's no bouncing dock icon there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50 ◼   ► no little rubber band animation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52 ◼   ► application opening and you get in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54 ◼   ► situation where people would doubt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56 ◼   ► then click again and then you've ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57 ◼   ► up with two instances of IE launching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59 ◼   ► instead of one because you weren't sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/839">TS</a>]

00:14:00 ◼   ► if the first one registered or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/840">TS</a>]

00:14:01 ◼   ► there's there was long delay between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03 ◼   ► time you click in the time something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/843">TS</a>]

00:14:04 ◼   ► happens and during that time nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06 ◼   ► visual is happening on the screen now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08 ◼   ► the Mac has never suffered from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10 ◼   ► problem because of course I'm Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11 ◼   ► you had a little bouncing and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/851">TS</a>]

00:14:12 ◼   ► clear indicator that yeah yeah we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14 ◼   ► your click we're trying to do what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16 ◼   ► the us but it's going to take a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/856">TS</a>]

00:14:17 ◼   ► meanwhile watch this little thing bounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/857">TS</a>]

00:14:18 ◼   ► so it's a clear indication that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20 ◼   ► something is happening and then the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/860">TS</a>]

00:14:21 ◼   ► classic Mac OS when you double-click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/861">TS</a>]

00:14:22 ◼   ► from application there would be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24 ◼   ► little rubber band animation which be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/864">TS</a>]

00:14:25 ◼   ► basically like an outline of a rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/865">TS</a>]

00:14:28 ◼   ► that would start small at the origin of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30 ◼   ► your click and get bigger and bigger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31 ◼   ► bigger to show you hey this thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/871">TS</a>]

00:14:32 ◼   ► you double clicked it's launching now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/872">TS</a>]

00:14:34 ◼   ► and in the very old days despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37 ◼   ► fact this rubber band animation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39 ◼   ► there from day one you could also hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/879">TS</a>]

00:14:40 ◼   ► the floppy disk grunt you know and or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the activity light blinking there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/882">TS</a>]

00:14:43 ◼   ► always some sort of visual physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/883">TS</a>]

00:14:44 ◼   ► indication that your thing started but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/884">TS</a>]

00:14:48 ◼   ► Windows kind of got into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/888">TS</a>]

00:14:49 ◼   ► uncomfortable zone where the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/889">TS</a>]

00:14:50 ◼   ► manifestations of your action became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52 ◼   ► less obvious because hard drives got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54 ◼   ► tucked away inside the machines activity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56 ◼   ► lights weren't as obvious the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/896">TS</a>]

00:14:57 ◼   ► was behind the monitor or under the desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00 ◼   ► or something floppy disks went away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02 ◼   ► you couldn't really tell is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04 ◼   ► happening out and that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06 ◼   ► things that people talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/906">TS</a>]

00:15:07 ◼   ► other one was that specific animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10 ◼   ► that we were complaining about in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11 ◼   ► specific animation that I had a video up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13 ◼   ► in my review was an instance of a window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/913">TS</a>]

00:15:16 ◼   ► starting from a small dot in its final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/916">TS</a>]

00:15:20 ◼   ► position and zooming to its full size so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/920">TS</a>]

00:15:21 ◼   ► there was no indication of where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23 ◼   ► window came from it's like this window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/923">TS</a>]

00:15:24 ◼   ► is going to appear at this position and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/924">TS</a>]

00:15:25 ◼   ► it will start its small deposition and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27 ◼   ► eventually get full size in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/927">TS</a>]

00:15:28 ◼   ► position so the animation my argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30 ◼   ► argument was there was not giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32 ◼   ► any additional information it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/932">TS</a>]

00:15:33 ◼   ► saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/933">TS</a>]

00:15:34 ◼   ► from where did this window come from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36 ◼   ► was just saying here's the window it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38 ◼   ► going to appear here and have the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/938">TS</a>]

00:15:39 ◼   ► appeared fully formed in that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41 ◼   ► position it would have provided the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/941">TS</a>]

00:15:42 ◼   ► information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44 ◼   ► one person argued that they liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46 ◼   ► animation because it draws your eye more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/946">TS</a>]

00:15:50 ◼   ► than if the window just appeared by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52 ◼   ► itself I would say that that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/952">TS</a>]

00:15:56 ◼   ► the things against it because you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/956">TS</a>]

00:15:57 ◼   ► want to know that a new window appeared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59 ◼   ► on the screen but this window is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01 ◼   ► to appear in front of all other windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/961">TS</a>]

00:16:02 ◼   ► anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/962">TS</a>]

00:16:03 ◼   ► and by by animating it draws your eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/963">TS</a>]

00:16:07 ◼   ► too much I think the idea was that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10 ◼   ► when you hit command end which is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/970">TS</a>]

00:16:11 ◼   ► was doing that video there's no origin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13 ◼   ► like it's not the window doesn't fly out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14 ◼   ► of your keyboard there's no way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15 ◼   ► animate from where you the command but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/975">TS</a>]

00:16:18 ◼   ► when you type command then the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/978">TS</a>]

00:16:19 ◼   ► has no idea where you're looking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/979">TS</a>]

00:16:20 ◼   ► that was the person's argument was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/980">TS</a>]

00:16:23 ◼   ► yeah it has no idea where you're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/983">TS</a>]

00:16:24 ◼   ► so it's trying to say hey this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25 ◼   ► the window is going to appear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/985">TS</a>]

00:16:26 ◼   ► indicate to you where it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/986">TS</a>]

00:16:27 ◼   ► appear well because it doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29 ◼   ► where I'm looking say I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/989">TS</a>]

00:16:30 ◼   ► elsewhere because I'm doing some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33 ◼   ► tasks that's the beauty of keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/993">TS</a>]

00:16:34 ◼   ► commands that you can fire off command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36 ◼   ► end from muscle memory while also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38 ◼   ► starting your next task which is looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40 ◼   ► over to the side to drag an icon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:41 ◼   ► looking in another window or reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:42 ◼   ► something and as soon as that animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:44 ◼   ► appears your eyes are drawn towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46 ◼   ► where the animation is you're losing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48 ◼   ► advantage of being able to fire off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50 ◼   ► command end to make a new window while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you're in the middle well you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:53 ◼   ► immediately off doing some of the tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55 ◼   ► like you you initiate the macro in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57 ◼   ► head which makes your fingers do command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58 ◼   ► then and as soon as you issue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00 ◼   ► command it's like fire and forget you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:01 ◼   ► off to your next task but as soon as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:03 ◼   ► animation starts playing the primordial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:05 ◼   ► lizard brain mammalian avoid the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:09 ◼   ► saber-toothed tiger hunting you sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:10 ◼   ► please don't write me in saber-toothed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12 ◼   ► Tigers did not live at the same time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:13 ◼   ► humans I'm sorry you know makes your eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16 ◼   ► it makes your eye be drawn to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18 ◼   ► animation the car like what animation it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20 ◼   ► more so than just the window appearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22 ◼   ► so in addition to it feeling slow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:26 ◼   ► it's pulling your eye away from what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28 ◼   ► were trying to do now the same people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30 ◼   ► point out that if you go to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31 ◼   ► menu and select new the animation begins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33 ◼   ► at the file menu and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35 ◼   ► actually useful animation because who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37 ◼   ► going to the file menu and selecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:38 ◼   ► file new novice users right and not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:41 ◼   ► users are the wanting to do the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:42 ◼   ► hand-holding to understand this command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44 ◼   ► that you initiated has produced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46 ◼   ► window so that animation starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48 ◼   ► from the menu that you just use and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50 ◼   ► window you know the animation slides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:53 ◼   ► over to where the window is finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:54 ◼   ► going to appear connecting your action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56 ◼   ► with the resulting window but advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58 ◼   ► users are the ones who are all going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1078">TS</a>]

00:17:59 ◼   ► be hitting command in and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01 ◼   ► need their I've drawn tour the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02 ◼   ► window appears because they know new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04 ◼   ► window is going to appear it's good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06 ◼   ► be on top of all other windows anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07 ◼   ► unless it's a microscopic window which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09 ◼   ► Mac os10 really doesn't like you to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11 ◼   ► small windows anyway it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:12 ◼   ► obvious where it appears that animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:15 ◼   ► is the one that drives me nuts because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17 ◼   ► make new documents all the time and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:18 ◼   ► the editor you know any other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20 ◼   ► constantly making new texts windows for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23 ◼   ► just scratch areas and discarding them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and making new ones so I'm very glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27 ◼   ► that this animation could be turned off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30 ◼   ► some of the other animations like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32 ◼   ► bounce animation where the dialog comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34 ◼   ► up with it it animates from its small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:37 ◼   ► size to a size slightly larger limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39 ◼   ► final size and then shrinks back down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41 ◼   ► sorta like it's bouncing at you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43 ◼   ► alerts and errors and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45 ◼   ► since they're rare and you're and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:47 ◼   ► they're not manually initiated they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:50 ◼   ► slightly more of a reason to draw your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:53 ◼   ► attention especially for novice users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55 ◼   ► who might not even notice that a dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:57 ◼   ► appeared for advanced users I still like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the ability to turn that off but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:02 ◼   ► not the same thing as user initiated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:05 ◼   ► action triggering an animation and makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07 ◼   ► things feel slower so I will definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09 ◼   ► have this setting turned off yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:13 ◼   ► turned it off now do you think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:16 ◼   ► inspiration for this came to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:19 ◼   ► create I mean you were I feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21 ◼   ► were leading up to this to create parody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23 ◼   ► you know when you when you double-click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25 ◼   ► a file let's say you've got a text file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27 ◼   ► on your desktop and you double click it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28 ◼   ► there's sort of that animation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:29 ◼   ► text file flying toward you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:33 ◼   ► what I'm saying the icon getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34 ◼   ► little bigger yeah that's just indicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that it registered your click it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38 ◼   ► it doesn't fly towards where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40 ◼   ► document will appear no it just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41 ◼   ► just jumps toward you yeah do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that this is somehow getting parity with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that in some way no it's just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49 ◼   ► addition of animation like they love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50 ◼   ► animation ever since core animation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52 ◼   ► introduced they've been adding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:53 ◼   ► everywhere they possibly can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:54 ◼   ► core animation just makes it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:55 ◼   ► bit too easy I think to add animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57 ◼   ► because you're like you know what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:58 ◼   ► is an animatable property why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00 ◼   ► animate it it's really easy from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01 ◼   ► program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:02 ◼   ► perspective now to animate stuff so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04 ◼   ► have their they have to think less hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06 ◼   ► about well do we really want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08 ◼   ► animation because it's going to be a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:09 ◼   ► of work to make it it's not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10 ◼   ► work and you end up with animations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12 ◼   ► everywhere and sometimes they go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14 ◼   ► the line a little bit so I'll let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:18 ◼   ► our first sponsor and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20 ◼   ► what's cool is if you're in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22 ◼   ► room if you join us live sometimes we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24 ◼   ► things like this when when we have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26 ◼   ► especially like when we have an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:27 ◼   ► sponsor they're going to be given we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:29 ◼   ► have a whole bunch of codes to give away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:34 ◼   ► faith is going to be putting those into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36 ◼   ► the not all of them this time we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38 ◼   ► spread them out over some the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39 ◼   ► shows but she'll be putting a few into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41 ◼   ► the into the chat room so if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43 ◼   ► in the chat room go join the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:44 ◼   ► you can go to five by five dot TV slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46 ◼   ► live and there's like a button that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48 ◼   ► chat with us or link or something go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50 ◼   ► there and faith will be dropping these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52 ◼   ► and sometimes you do it over Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54 ◼   ► today we're going to do some in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55 ◼   ► chatroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:56 ◼   ► and the sponsor is WX now this is a by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:01 ◼   ► company called hunter research and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03 ◼   ► technology we've had some their apps on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:04 ◼   ► there they do really really cool apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:05 ◼   ► they do iOS apps and Matt Capps and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:08 ◼   ► I'm going to tell you about mainly today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:09 ◼   ► is WX this is an award-winning US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:12 ◼   ► weather app I know we have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:13 ◼   ► international you know listeners so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:16 ◼   ► maybe you get a pressure this guy to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:17 ◼   ► an international version but it's a US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19 ◼   ► weather app it works on the Mac iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21 ◼   ► iPhone it was a name to 2009 Mac Jim by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24 ◼   ► Mac world magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:25 ◼   ► gyro lens it's another one is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27 ◼   ► innovative camera that levels photos in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29 ◼   ► real time it puts an end to crooked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31 ◼   ► shots I'm guilty of that especially the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33 ◼   ► iPhone and theodolite now this is a cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:37 ◼   ► app this is the one that makes your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39 ◼   ► iPhone or your iPad into essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41 ◼   ► into luke skywalker's viewfinder from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:45 ◼   ► Empire Strikes Back in the beginning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47 ◼   ► know when he's out there with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:48 ◼   ► imperial probe droid you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:51 ◼   ► talking about John or you often I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52 ◼   ► was considering whether I should do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54 ◼   ► imitation of the probe droid but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56 ◼   ► about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:56 ◼   ► I don't know we gotta have got excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58 ◼   ► not to okay it shows over so you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:01 ◼   ► it when I'm sorry I mean that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:05 ◼   ► good moves he rears no all right so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:10 ◼   ► is this is a top-selling one I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12 ◼   ► tell you I went to I went to the Dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14 ◼   ► W axon I said listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16 ◼   ► I said that this theodolite ye you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:21 ◼   ► got to make a game out of this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24 ◼   ► I'll sit there I'll put this on on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26 ◼   ► boys iPad or on his on he has a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29 ◼   ► iPhone it's like a game he can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:30 ◼   ► around you know like I said if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32 ◼   ► had something that shot you know could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:33 ◼   ► shoot things you know it would be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:36 ◼   ► virtual reality you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37 ◼   ► augmented reality kind of game is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39 ◼   ► don't know if that would sell but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41 ◼   ► so if you want that you can pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:42 ◼   ► them into it but this has this is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44 ◼   ► viewfinder with a rangefinder and int [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46 ◼   ► in-clinic inclinometer how do you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48 ◼   ► that a compass a GPS map I mean it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:50 ◼   ► everything so you can find out about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52 ◼   ► of this stuff read about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54 ◼   ► development services they do that too at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56 ◼   ► HRT apps comm go check them out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:59 ◼   ► you're in the chatroom faith will give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01 ◼   ► out now you know faith maybe give out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03 ◼   ► one of the one of the wx4 Mac one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06 ◼   ► iPad ones one of the gyro Lynch just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:07 ◼   ► like one of each drop well maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09 ◼   ► couple of the theodolite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:13 ◼   ► that's it thanks to them for sponsoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15 ◼   ► HRT APSCo I'm looking at that app on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:18 ◼   ► website it really does look like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20 ◼   ► really does the thing from it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22 ◼   ► like that he could make extra money if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:25 ◼   ► you actually licensed from Lucasfilm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:26 ◼   ► exact appearance of that thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29 ◼   ► surprised he doesn't get sued already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:30 ◼   ► because it's it's close but not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32 ◼   ► different enough George Lee has bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34 ◼   ► fish to fry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:35 ◼   ► he's worried more about who shot first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:36 ◼   ► yeah or that guy making a prop helmets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:40 ◼   ► for stormtroopers right did you rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42 ◼   ► that started this big you know do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44 ◼   ► have that in a show no it's tell people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45 ◼   ► what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:45 ◼   ► so some one of the guys who made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47 ◼   ► original helmets for Star Wars to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50 ◼   ► stormtrooper helmets decided that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:53 ◼   ► employed he was employed by Lucas to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55 ◼   ► make these things isn't right he worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:56 ◼   ► there and he still had the mold from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59 ◼   ► when he made the original ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:00 ◼   ► appear in the movies who is it hey I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I could clean up these molds and make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02 ◼   ► couple sure enough stormtrooper helmets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04 ◼   ► and sell them and of course Lucas gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06 ◼   ► wind of it and is all cranky and tries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:07 ◼   ► to sue him and he eventually won his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09 ◼   ► case that he is allowed to make and sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:13 ◼   ► these helmets from these molds because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15 ◼   ► guess a lot of the reason he won is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17 ◼   ► he's not in the US he's in the UK and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20 ◼   ► has no assets in the US so US laws don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22 ◼   ► apply to him and probably his employment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24 ◼   ► contract with Lucy Lucas was such that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26 ◼   ► Lucas didn't say oh we reserve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:27 ◼   ► rights to all these molds and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:28 ◼   ► know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29 ◼   ► blah blah like a modern contract would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30 ◼   ► have said they just hired him to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32 ◼   ► and didn't claim ownership of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35 ◼   ► molds or the intellectual property that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37 ◼   ► they represent you know so it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39 ◼   ► a victory against the Empire for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41 ◼   ► one guy and he's it's not like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:42 ◼   ► becoming a millionaire all but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44 ◼   ► just selling something to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:45 ◼   ► money I should find that link put in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:49 ◼   ► show no did you buy one no you did come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51 ◼   ► on oh there that's I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53 ◼   ► expensive is that magic so is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:56 ◼   ► plasma TV yeah but the plasma TV or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1496">TS</a>]

00:25:00 ◼   ► watch every day and I get you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► I have a prediction for what's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03 ◼   ► happen next WWDC someone's gonna get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:06 ◼   ► an actual storm trip round how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08 ◼   ► these things will work on it well race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10 ◼   ► it will do for now I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:11 ◼   ► they're thousands of dollars because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:12 ◼   ► guess they're collectors would you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:13 ◼   ► it like everyday to or to and from work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:18 ◼   ► yeah like I had like you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:19 ◼   ► 1940s and 50s and you know any any man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:22 ◼   ► who had any kind of decency would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24 ◼   ► wearing a nice fedora would you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26 ◼   ► would you wear this to work as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:27 ◼   ► no I think I displayed a sculpture I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29 ◼   ► think that was part of the trial like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31 ◼   ► arguing whether it was a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:32 ◼   ► sculpture like art or whether it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34 ◼   ► costume or something like that would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36 ◼   ► ever wear a full a full you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:39 ◼   ► full on stormtrooper suit I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:43 ◼   ► can't think of any context when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:44 ◼   ► would happen like a comic-con if we send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46 ◼   ► you two packs or comic-con or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48 ◼   ► yeah but I wouldn't like I'm not one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50 ◼   ► those people who dresses up that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:51 ◼   ► I'm trying to find out if you are know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53 ◼   ► when you LARP you dress up though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56 ◼   ► you're the LARPing on me I've never LARP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58 ◼   ► so you say really Aven I did go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:03 ◼   ► Medieval Faire as a kid does that count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05 ◼   ► I wasn't role-playing but I just up as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:09 ◼   ► knight I was 10 years old it wasn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:13 ◼   ► weird everybody dressed up to hold the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15 ◼   ► whole class we had to get we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17 ◼   ► dress it you know we had to make our art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19 ◼   ► you know uniforms and whatever they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:22 ◼   ► you know so some people went as a knight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:25 ◼   ► some people went is you know a jester or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28 ◼   ► whatever I don't know whatever it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:29 ◼   ► on I didn't care everybody was dressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:32 ◼   ► up I was 10 years old then someone threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:33 ◼   ► up on the bus on the way home it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35 ◼   ► worst thing and the way the teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:36 ◼   ► tried to counteract this the way she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:39 ◼   ► tried to mask the smell of the vomit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41 ◼   ► the tour bus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42 ◼   ► the way home on the three-hour drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43 ◼   ► home from Sarasota back to South Florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46 ◼   ► was to spray her perfume which combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:50 ◼   ► with the smell of vomit and became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52 ◼   ► something much much worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54 ◼   ► that's called childhood Dan well this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57 ◼   ► the closest thing to lie this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58 ◼   ► LARPing experience we didn't roleplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00 ◼   ► although I was knighted I'll bet you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:04 ◼   ► not in the way you've ended is that code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06 ◼   ► for something no it's not absolutely not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09 ◼   ► far as I know alright so what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:12 ◼   ► topics about lion do you want to cover I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► have a big list here but you can pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16 ◼   ► your allow me to read off my lesson you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17 ◼   ► can pick which one yes of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19 ◼   ► okay sandboxing Ark HFS+ wait slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:22 ◼   ► hold on sandboxing Ark I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:25 ◼   ► covered Ark well beyond where I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27 ◼   ► I mean that you killed that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:28 ◼   ► article I don't want to do that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31 ◼   ► wanna do it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:31 ◼   ► no all right well we'll see if they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:34 ◼   ► see if there's a revolt from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35 ◼   ► listeners I did get a lot of questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36 ◼   ► about it high DPI stuff the linking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:40 ◼   ► general linking in the article and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:44 ◼   ► any other topics that I didn't cover in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46 ◼   ► the review that you want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:47 ◼   ► well I would definitely like to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49 ◼   ► about sandboxing because I don't I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51 ◼   ► I think it's an interesting topic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53 ◼   ► think they've done a lot of work behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:54 ◼   ► the scenes on it and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:55 ◼   ► something that regular human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58 ◼   ► would actually benefit from even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00 ◼   ► none of them listen to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02 ◼   ► that this is something that people could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03 ◼   ► know about somebody else covered our cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05 ◼   ► that was it Marco I think we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07 ◼   ► about it I don't to be honest I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09 ◼   ► tuned out during the arc stuff no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:12 ◼   ► sandboxing I mean a little bit but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that not the way you do yeah I'll cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19 ◼   ► I think it's gonna become you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:20 ◼   ► want to talk about our fine your show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22 ◼   ► I'll do whatever you want it's your shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24 ◼   ► I'll talk about that monster million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26 ◼   ► downloads we're on for the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28 ◼   ► don't listen to Marco show or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31 ◼   ► show this was on so sandboxing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:35 ◼   ► feature that existed in a more limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37 ◼   ► form and Snow Leopard I was introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39 ◼   ► in Snow Leopard I think and Apple mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41 ◼   ► use it for their daemon processes so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:44 ◼   ► dog demon processes are processes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46 ◼   ► run in the background continuously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:47 ◼   ► either when you're logged in or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:50 ◼   ► continuously when the machine is booted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52 ◼   ► and they perform services like they this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54 ◼   ► font demons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56 ◼   ► caching demons and all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57 ◼   ► that other processes communicate with to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00 ◼   ► get information about the system I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:03 ◼   ► since this possible time since a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05 ◼   ► them run will either be except to both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:09 ◼   ► will use file or the whole fast or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11 ◼   ► whatever good day hang on a sec your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:14 ◼   ► your audio is breaking up on me what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:16 ◼   ► you doing there are you on the files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:19 ◼   ► it's not I'm on class is it Mac or C no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:23 ◼   ► it's not your mic it's uh let me try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25 ◼   ► let me try it back maybe skype is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27 ◼   ► playing games with us alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:29 ◼   ► I am we'll get him back yeah see we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:33 ◼   ► gonna make two of each face you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:45 ◼   ► two of each trying to John back here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:50 ◼   ► this is connecting and ever you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:54 ◼   ► never know what what the cause could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56 ◼   ► with Skype which we could move away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59 ◼   ► Skype entirely and I have to I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:02 ◼   ► be honest this I could be this stupid on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04 ◼   ► this stupid router what they gave us can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:10 ◼   ► they still hear us in the chat room see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:15 ◼   ► this is that's terrible who knows it who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:19 ◼   ► knows what this is I am I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:25 ◼   ► getting a really getting fed up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:26 ◼   ► this thing John I say we have to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:32 ◼   ► this on your end no this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34 ◼   ► definitely my on that time now there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37 ◼   ► something weird it's like it I've got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39 ◼   ► I've got to go in and mess with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:40 ◼   ► router that they gave me it's a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41 ◼   ► piece of garbage and I have to get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44 ◼   ► to change it out or something because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:45 ◼   ► periodically it's like everything will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47 ◼   ► be fine and then you'll then you'll lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:50 ◼   ► it a little like the DHCP lease will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:53 ◼   ► expire and you won't renew I'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:56 ◼   ► go in and network preferences and renew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:57 ◼   ► it now what is that don't know low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:01 ◼   ► quality weapon seriously what I send you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:05 ◼   ► this stuff anyway we don't need to waste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:06 ◼   ► time so please continue your thought I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► sorry too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09 ◼   ► sub sandboxing so as I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11 ◼   ► sandboxing was introduced in snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14 ◼   ► leopard as a way to isolate demon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17 ◼   ► processes to some degree I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19 ◼   ► remember what the details of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:20 ◼   ► sandboxing were but you could limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22 ◼   ► their privileges in a few ways it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25 ◼   ► really promoted as a feature for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:28 ◼   ► application developers yet it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30 ◼   ► framework for making demon processes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:34 ◼   ► be able to have full access to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36 ◼   ► system or be able to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38 ◼   ► everything that our process can normally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40 ◼   ► do with the privileges of a super user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42 ◼   ► whatever user it's running it so in Lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:45 ◼   ► they've greatly expanded the sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47 ◼   ► and are now promoting it for use by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50 ◼   ► applications and the idea is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:52 ◼   ► applications have to declare the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:56 ◼   ► that they're expected to do so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59 ◼   ► have an application that expects to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01 ◼   ► a network connection you would say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03 ◼   ► need to be able to open network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05 ◼   ► connections or every application expects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:06 ◼   ► incoming network connections it says I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08 ◼   ► need to be able to open a port to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10 ◼   ► for incoming network connections I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11 ◼   ► access to the movies folder because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13 ◼   ► that's where I'm going to read stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15 ◼   ► from or I need access to the user's home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17 ◼   ► directory or you know it is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20 ◼   ► many omits not really fine-grain I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22 ◼   ► there's only like 30 or something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24 ◼   ► know there's less than 100 of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25 ◼   ► entitlements they're called where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27 ◼   ► declare what your application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28 ◼   ► supposed to do and as part of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:33 ◼   ► App Store review process come November [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35 ◼   ► your application must be sandbox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37 ◼   ► what that means is that if you submit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39 ◼   ► the Mac App Store after November you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41 ◼   ► must have Sam bossing enabled and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:42 ◼   ► you must have this list of entitlements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44 ◼   ► that say what your application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:45 ◼   ► expected to do and you can't just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47 ◼   ► okay fine I'll list all the entitlements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49 ◼   ► because then I don't have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:50 ◼   ► the sandbox so much I said I just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51 ◼   ► access to everything I need access so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53 ◼   ► the whole file system may need access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the network everything everything what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56 ◼   ► do what Apple will do in the review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:57 ◼   ► process is say you know hey this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00 ◼   ► weather application why do you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:04 ◼   ► access Y do you need to open a port for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06 ◼   ► listening on the network why do you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08 ◼   ► to complete access to the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:09 ◼   ► for your weather application and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:12 ◼   ► reject it and they'll say it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:13 ◼   ► seem like your application should need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:16 ◼   ► this entitlement to do its job please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18 ◼   ► explain to us why you think it does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20 ◼   ► what they're trying to do is reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22 ◼   ► surface area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:23 ◼   ► of attack so that if one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25 ◼   ► applications is exploited by a buffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27 ◼   ► overflow or some other kind of bug you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29 ◼   ► can only do the things that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:32 ◼   ► application is it restricted to doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35 ◼   ► if the application doesn't need to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:36 ◼   ► a network port as far as normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38 ◼   ► operation if the application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:39 ◼   ► exploited the X point can open a network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:41 ◼   ► port either now to go further than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:45 ◼   ► what they also want application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47 ◼   ► developers to do is something called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► privilege separation where instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:49 ◼   ► having deciding what their application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51 ◼   ► has to do it has to read and write files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53 ◼   ► it has to talk on the network it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:54 ◼   ► you know have access to the camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57 ◼   ► the microphone whatever things that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59 ◼   ► application needs to do instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01 ◼   ► taking that and saying let me just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:02 ◼   ► a list and then give my application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04 ◼   ► these entitlements that what Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:05 ◼   ► you to do is to break up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06 ◼   ► application into individual sort of sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:10 ◼   ► programs or sub applications that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13 ◼   ► do a specific task so for example an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15 ◼   ► apples on a QuickTime Player it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17 ◼   ► decode video and decoding video is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20 ◼   ► notoriously difficult process that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23 ◼   ► to be high performance and there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25 ◼   ► been a lot of exploits in sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26 ◼   ► decoding of compressed information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28 ◼   ► because that code has to be very fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:29 ◼   ► and tends to be vulnerable to the buffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32 ◼   ► or buffer overflows because it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33 ◼   ► constantly be checking bounds on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34 ◼   ► everything because it has to be fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36 ◼   ► that the algorithms are complex and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38 ◼   ► code is complex so what Apple does is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41 ◼   ► this I we're going to offload the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44 ◼   ► decoding of video to a separate process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46 ◼   ► and that process doesn't need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48 ◼   ► any access to the file system because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:49 ◼   ► will feed it the data oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51 ◼   ► through memory through a inter process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53 ◼   ► communication from the parent thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55 ◼   ► this that process isn't I need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:56 ◼   ► any access to the network you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58 ◼   ► can be extremely isolated the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00 ◼   ► that process sees is data given to it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02 ◼   ► its parent process and then it returns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04 ◼   ► did all happening in memory no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06 ◼   ► privileges for anything so if there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08 ◼   ► some sort of exploit in side like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10 ◼   ► h.264 decoding algorithm or something or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:13 ◼   ► there's some sort of bug there that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:14 ◼   ► you feed a it maliciously created video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16 ◼   ► to the video player something you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18 ◼   ► take over your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:19 ◼   ► well that that video will find itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:22 ◼   ► taking over a external process that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:25 ◼   ► almost no privileges you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27 ◼   ► anything and that that's what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:31 ◼   ► application developers to do is to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:32 ◼   ► about their application and instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34 ◼   ► giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:34 ◼   ► at the superset of all entitlements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36 ◼   ► we need to do with job break it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39 ◼   ► into sub applications each of which only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41 ◼   ► needs a few of those inside them so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:42 ◼   ► the parent application itself would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:43 ◼   ► a very very few entitlements and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45 ◼   ► supplications would have the other few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47 ◼   ► we'll spread it out throughout them now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50 ◼   ► splitting up your application like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:51 ◼   ► is kind of a pinyin because you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52 ◼   ► oh so where do I put these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:53 ◼   ► executables how do I launch them how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:56 ◼   ► I feed them data how do I reap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:59 ◼   ► process when they're done I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01 ◼   ► know how do I communicate back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03 ◼   ► but then I don't have to make my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04 ◼   ► propos it's kind of annoying so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05 ◼   ► Apple's done is created this ex PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:08 ◼   ► framework I guess you call it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10 ◼   ► manages this for you it's sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12 ◼   ► system for creating separate executables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14 ◼   ► that get stored in your applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16 ◼   ► bundle and what you do is operate at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19 ◼   ► very high level you basically call a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:20 ◼   ► method that will trigger the creation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:25 ◼   ► this separate process on-demand handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27 ◼   ► the communication with it and handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28 ◼   ► cleaning up the process when it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30 ◼   ► so you don't have to deal with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31 ◼   ► details making it easier for you to now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33 ◼   ► everyone knows you should do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35 ◼   ► privilege separation thing if you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:38 ◼   ► the presentation so yeah that's not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:39 ◼   ► I don't I deal with the details so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41 ◼   ► is trying to be able to many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:42 ◼   ► details as possible to encourage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44 ◼   ► most number of developers to do this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46 ◼   ► this isn't you can sandbox your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48 ◼   ► application and not do this at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50 ◼   ► Apple really wants to encourage people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52 ◼   ► to do this because they think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:53 ◼   ► better way from a security perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:56 ◼   ► to design an application sandboxing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:59 ◼   ► was just talking about the X PC thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01 ◼   ► and splitting up your application into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04 ◼   ► pieces right all right so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07 ◼   ► interesting part of this is that as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09 ◼   ► can imagine on the Mac almost every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11 ◼   ► application these days seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:15 ◼   ► should need full access to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:16 ◼   ► system because how else do open files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19 ◼   ► like it does the application can't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20 ◼   ► where your files are they could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:21 ◼   ► anywhere they could be any desktop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23 ◼   ► your Documents folder on a server volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25 ◼   ► it's just expected that Mac applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27 ◼   ► can open up any file and so it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30 ◼   ► like every Mac application or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32 ◼   ► some subcomponent or a Mac application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34 ◼   ► needs to have complete access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35 ◼   ► file system and that is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37 ◼   ► vulnerability because if that app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39 ◼   ► exploited by you know some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:43 ◼   ► maliciously created file that it opens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:44 ◼   ► or any other mechanism where over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:46 ◼   ► network or any other mechanism where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48 ◼   ► can take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:48 ◼   ► control this application then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51 ◼   ► complete access to all that users files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53 ◼   ► you could for example recursively delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55 ◼   ► their entire home directory or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57 ◼   ► a plant the virus somewhere and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that launches every time they log in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2278">TS</a>]

00:37:59 ◼   ► do all sorts of nasty things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01 ◼   ► so Apple solution to this is to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:06 ◼   ► a an intermediate a trusted intermediary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08 ◼   ► that provides access to the full file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11 ◼   ► system but only in response to explicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:12 ◼   ► user actions so for example when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15 ◼   ► to the file menu and select open or hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:16 ◼   ► commando what it does is it hands-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:20 ◼   ► operation to this power box daemon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:24 ◼   ► the power box daemon has access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26 ◼   ► full file system but your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:27 ◼   ► doesn't and the only way you get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29 ◼   ► power box thing is by explicit user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31 ◼   ► action because you selected open from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the file menu or you hit command o it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:36 ◼   ► wasn't something that the program did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38 ◼   ► was a user input that went through you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40 ◼   ► know the input mechanism in the event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:41 ◼   ► mechanism and caused you know the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► dialog to come up that is a signal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47 ◼   ► the application that yes this is a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49 ◼   ► doing this and not a program and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:50 ◼   ► you're handed off to the power box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:51 ◼   ► application which is okay I will poke a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:54 ◼   ► little hole in your sandbox to allow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:57 ◼   ► access to whichever file that I pick now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:00 ◼   ► the application is in control the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02 ◼   ► box applications is okay you hang on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:03 ◼   ► over there let me take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04 ◼   ► I'll let the guy pick the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:07 ◼   ► that he wants and when he picks it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09 ◼   ► will give that one application back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:10 ◼   ► you so the application still doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12 ◼   ► have complete access to the file so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13 ◼   ► just says okay I've handed off control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:16 ◼   ► to this intermediary it will give me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18 ◼   ► file that I want it can't it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20 ◼   ► application can't tell power box which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22 ◼   ► file to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:22 ◼   ► it's it waits for power box tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25 ◼   ► here's the file that the user selected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:26 ◼   ► and that's the way that they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29 ◼   ► applications basically no Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31 ◼   ► applications just say I need full access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33 ◼   ► to the file system unless it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34 ◼   ► disc checker or something where it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36 ◼   ► to scan your whole disk that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37 ◼   ► legitimate use but for general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:38 ◼   ► applications just because you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:40 ◼   ► open a file you don't need full access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42 ◼   ► to the file system this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43 ◼   ► intermediary they will do it for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45 ◼   ► this applies to things like dragging an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46 ◼   ► icon onto an application in the dock or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48 ◼   ► in the finder all those mechanisms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:51 ◼   ► are an explicit user action trigger the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:55 ◼   ► the use of this power box intermediary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and are explicitly allowed because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:59 ◼   ► was done by a user so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01 ◼   ► kind of this is not a new innovation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:04 ◼   ► many systems use this kind of security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06 ◼   ► model but it's the first time it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:07 ◼   ► coming to Mac os10 and Apple's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09 ◼   ► pushing it hard and the article I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11 ◼   ► about the carrot and the stick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:12 ◼   ► carrot is do this because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14 ◼   ► application will be more secure we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16 ◼   ► providing these really nice API it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:17 ◼   ► like the X PC thing for managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19 ◼   ► external applications yeah we'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:22 ◼   ► care of the details for you we've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24 ◼   ► all this work for you that's the carrot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26 ◼   ► the stick is if you want to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:27 ◼   ► Mac App Store we're going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29 ◼   ► requiring this November so you best get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:30 ◼   ► used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31 ◼   ► a lot of legacy Mac applications have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:34 ◼   ► expectations way beyond the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:38 ◼   ► sandboxing allows and one of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40 ◼   ► ones is Apple events you can do a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42 ◼   ► with Apple events you can communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:43 ◼   ► from one application to the other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44 ◼   ► make applications do almost anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46 ◼   ► some applications are built around Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:48 ◼   ► events for example BBEdit makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50 ◼   ► extensive use of them and this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:51 ◼   ► best practice from Apple many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:54 ◼   ► ago so yeah do everything with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:55 ◼   ► events within your your script ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57 ◼   ► is great and other applications can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59 ◼   ► communicate with you and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01 ◼   ► forth but from a security perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:02 ◼   ► it's not great to do that so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03 ◼   ► severe restrictions on app cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05 ◼   ► application Apple events and even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:06 ◼   ► think within application Apple events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08 ◼   ► when you're in a sandbox so it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:11 ◼   ► to be a problem for some applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13 ◼   ► that were built based on apples previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15 ◼   ► advice about best practices now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17 ◼   ► advice is changed and there may be kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19 ◼   ► of a rocky road for some apps to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22 ◼   ► themselves within the sandbox simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25 ◼   ► because some assumptions are just baked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27 ◼   ► into their design and it's not as easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:30 ◼   ► as just giving yourself a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:31 ◼   ► entitlements that you that you need or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33 ◼   ► breaking replication up into pieces so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:37 ◼   ► think that cover sandboxing raids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39 ◼   ► I wonder how important is this to modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42 ◼   ► operating systems I mean is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:43 ◼   ► something that's sort of critical that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45 ◼   ► they all need or is this Apple doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:48 ◼   ► something extra that it's not required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:49 ◼   ► is this innovation I mean - what's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51 ◼   ► take on this is this like an about time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53 ◼   ► kind of a thing well like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:56 ◼   ► things in Lion all this was field tested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58 ◼   ► in iOS so they are not kind of flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:01 ◼   ► blind like in iOS they have a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:03 ◼   ► where applications are by default even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06 ◼   ► more restricted they have don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07 ◼   ► full access of the filesystem they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09 ◼   ► are confined to their own little world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:10 ◼   ► they're very very restricted and not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13 ◼   ► a very configurable way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:14 ◼   ► ah and so what they're trying to say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:17 ◼   ► we found that can work that people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19 ◼   ► write applications that that the user is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21 ◼   ► like being severely severely restricted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:25 ◼   ► and I say well the Mac is the Wild West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:28 ◼   ► how do we get from the Wild West to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30 ◼   ► something closer to that and so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32 ◼   ► them trying to move the Mac in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34 ◼   ► direction and to their credit there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:37 ◼   ► have taken the lead in this even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39 ◼   ► previous versions like in Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41 ◼   ► Safari was made to split up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:44 ◼   ► internet plugins like flash and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46 ◼   ► everything into separate applications so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the one that crashed they don't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:49 ◼   ► down the whole app and any of is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:53 ◼   ► obviously Safari is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:54 ◼   ► applications where security is critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56 ◼   ► because you're constantly on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:57 ◼   ► reading data from unknown sources all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2577">TS</a>]

00:43:00 ◼   ► day long and in Lion they've done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:04 ◼   ► same thing where you know now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:05 ◼   ► QuickTime application is a sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07 ◼   ► executable for decoding that PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09 ◼   ► rendering is pushed off into a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11 ◼   ► application by the framework that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13 ◼   ► that of the preview application they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:16 ◼   ► using WebKit to which further separates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18 ◼   ► not just separating plugins and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20 ◼   ► separating video decoding and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:24 ◼   ► that but also separating the rendering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25 ◼   ► process itself from the actual Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27 ◼   ► application so it's getting to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28 ◼   ► where Apple's applications are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30 ◼   ► shells for other services that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32 ◼   ► spawned off in other applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:33 ◼   ► they're starting with the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35 ◼   ► most vulnerable security wise there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:36 ◼   ► been tons of PDF exploits so they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38 ◼   ► to make sure that their PDF rendering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40 ◼   ► was isolated and of course web exploits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42 ◼   ► they're constantly making Safari more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44 ◼   ► resilient to this so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46 ◼   ► inevitable and it's not a surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48 ◼   ► they're doing it it's not an about time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50 ◼   ► I think it's pretty much on schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52 ◼   ► because there is a mismatch between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54 ◼   ► traditional expectations of desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56 ◼   ► applications and what iOS apps can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58 ◼   ► and they do want to heard desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:01 ◼   ► applications in that direction there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03 ◼   ► so many different angles in this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:04 ◼   ► security angle there's the stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:07 ◼   ► angle there is the simplicity angle in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09 ◼   ► terms of if we can confine applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12 ◼   ► to a specific directory that the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:13 ◼   ► doesn't have to know about them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14 ◼   ► don't have their files scattered all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16 ◼   ► over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:16 ◼   ► iCloud will go further in that direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18 ◼   ► because in iCloud if you want to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:22 ◼   ► file ubiquitous which is their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:23 ◼   ► terminology for a file that appears on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25 ◼   ► all your different machines like put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:26 ◼   ► in the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:27 ◼   ► the local location of that file on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:30 ◼   ► file system on your Mac is supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32 ◼   ► be immaterial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:33 ◼   ► like you'll you can find it and know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35 ◼   ► where it is if you're interested but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:36 ◼   ► once you once you put it into the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:39 ◼   ► you're not supposed to really care where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41 ◼   ► the document is on your file system if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43 ◼   ► if for example an application if all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45 ◼   ► its files were in file cloud file cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:48 ◼   ► and if all of its files were in iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:51 ◼   ► they would not have to have full access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54 ◼   ► the files they could be sandbox like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56 ◼   ► iOS application is because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58 ◼   ► iOS apps are like their files have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00 ◼   ► within their little little world like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03 ◼   ► they can't reach into other applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05 ◼   ► files and that's limiting from a sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07 ◼   ► perspective but it's great from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:10 ◼   ► security perspective where you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:11 ◼   ► mess with other applications so if a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:13 ◼   ► application was 100% dedicated to iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:17 ◼   ► it could behave like that too now there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20 ◼   ► is there's an opposition to this which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:23 ◼   ► is but what about application or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25 ◼   ► about files that I use in multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27 ◼   ► applications what like a PDF that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30 ◼   ► to open in PDF pen to edit but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32 ◼   ► want to open in preview but I also open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34 ◼   ► it in my web browser occasionally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36 ◼   ► open it in some sort of ebook reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38 ◼   ► application a single PDF can be open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:41 ◼   ► many different applications and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:42 ◼   ► can't you can't have it just confined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45 ◼   ► the preview applications little iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47 ◼   ► document mobile documents and box area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50 ◼   ► because then how would the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51 ◼   ► applications see it so the Mac is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:54 ◼   ► different from iOS and Apple is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56 ◼   ► have to walk that line between security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:59 ◼   ► and stability and not having to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01 ◼   ► about the file system but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03 ◼   ► acknowledging that you do need to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:07 ◼   ► applications between you need to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:10 ◼   ► data between applications on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12 ◼   ► I would argue that you need to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14 ◼   ► in iOS as well a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16 ◼   ► complained how annoying it is that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19 ◼   ► PDF for example gets sucked up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20 ◼   ► iBooks if you want to open that PDF in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23 ◼   ► another application it's not quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:24 ◼   ► easy unless you go back to the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:25 ◼   ► email that it came in and you know tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27 ◼   ► and hold down and say open another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:28 ◼   ► application it'll be an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:33 ◼   ► balancing act but right now we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:36 ◼   ► in the early stages and I think for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39 ◼   ► most part Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:40 ◼   ► applications should be able to adopt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:41 ◼   ► sandboxing without freaking users or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44 ◼   ► developers out too much but they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:45 ◼   ► help with a couple of exceptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:46 ◼   ► surrounding Apple events and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48 ◼   ► applications that want to do more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49 ◼   ► interesting things you with all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:50 ◼   ► things you don't want Apple to get too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:54 ◼   ► draconian about the restrictions because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57 ◼   ► you will be eliminating interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59 ◼   ► applications that do things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01 ◼   ► outside the bounds of sandboxing useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03 ◼   ► things that you would want to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:04 ◼   ► for example SuperDuper obviously needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06 ◼   ► to read every single file on your disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08 ◼   ► to make it clone but if Apple is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10 ◼   ► decree that all applications must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12 ◼   ► sandbox only sandbox applications can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14 ◼   ► run in by the way that entitlement where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16 ◼   ► you want to read every file on disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:17 ◼   ► we're not letting you have that or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19 ◼   ► super duper is already out of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:20 ◼   ► App Store because you needed Min [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21 ◼   ► privileges to read every file in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23 ◼   ► disk because normally you can only read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25 ◼   ► your files what about the function the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:26 ◼   ► other work inside so no I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28 ◼   ► anyone would argue that super dooper is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29 ◼   ► not a useful application it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:30 ◼   ► tremendously useful but it doesn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32 ◼   ► within Apple's worldview right now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it would be a shame to see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:36 ◼   ► applications that are interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38 ◼   ► useful get pushed to the side because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40 ◼   ► they're not in the 80 percent of like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:43 ◼   ► application that you open text files or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:44 ◼   ► audio in or some simple thing like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46 ◼   ► I think that's my take on sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:52 ◼   ► mostly good but it all depends on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55 ◼   ► Apple handles the rollout and execution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57 ◼   ► and how developers handle it and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59 ◼   ► feeling optimistic about that in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01 ◼   ► though right yeah because like where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03 ◼   ► they're doing it now is where it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04 ◼   ► so much sense like I want Safari to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06 ◼   ► chopped up into little pieces in sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08 ◼   ► I want PDF rendering to be off in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10 ◼   ► separate process and all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:11 ◼   ► stuff from a user's perspective all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:15 ◼   ► those things are good and I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16 ◼   ► happy when and when I if I download a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18 ◼   ► little Mac application that lets me edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21 ◼   ► audio or something that it doesn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23 ◼   ► full access to the file system it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25 ◼   ► doesn't need to be able to turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27 ◼   ► camera or the microphone on my monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29 ◼   ► and all sorts of that they're their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31 ◼   ► entitlements for all sorts of stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:32 ◼   ► that right I'm glad that Apple is making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:35 ◼   ► sure that an application some simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:39 ◼   ► application like that like a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40 ◼   ► doesn't need to do things that are way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42 ◼   ► outside the realm it's it's malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44 ◼   ► protection basically so that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45 ◼   ► good use of Apple's power and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47 ◼   ► as long as they avoid the bad uses I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49 ◼   ► think it'll turn out okay you know who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50 ◼   ► a really a big proponent of sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► who's that source Fitz calm these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55 ◼   ► make amazing software software design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:58 ◼   ► development services for iOS Mac they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01 ◼   ► even do Android do you know if Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03 ◼   ► has the same boxing I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05 ◼   ► anyway they also do web stuff there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07 ◼   ► they're a bleeding edge kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09 ◼   ► company they they're on top of this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11 ◼   ► this stuff we're talking about now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:12 ◼   ► that's new they've been this is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14 ◼   ► this is all hat for them and their deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► experiencing successful track record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:17 ◼   ► will ensure your idea because you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20 ◼   ► them with an idea that's what these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:21 ◼   ► do you go to them with an idea you say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22 ◼   ► have an idea I don't know what to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24 ◼   ► have this great idea and they said don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26 ◼   ► worry about it we'll make you a visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28 ◼   ► stunning world-class app in no time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30 ◼   ► know how to do this they'll save you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32 ◼   ► time and money by getting it done right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34 ◼   ► the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:35 ◼   ► they're very diamond seriously these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37 ◼   ► guys they're cutting edges Tom man if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39 ◼   ► you want something done and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41 ◼   ► thing people show up with an idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42 ◼   ► they say well I guess I have to go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:43 ◼   ► and review iOS developers I guess I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45 ◼   ► to go on Craigslist and then hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:48 ◼   ► somebody or whatever you don't I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50 ◼   ► I'm not saying don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:51 ◼   ► but typical projects that's not how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:52 ◼   ► want to get started you just call these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54 ◼   ► guys you go to source bits calm you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56 ◼   ► them look I heard about you guys on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:57 ◼   ► hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:58 ◼   ► set me up give me a good you know get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:01 ◼   ► going here and in days you'll have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03 ◼   ► prototype app up and running and working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05 ◼   ► it's amazing so check these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06 ◼   ► outsource boots comm they do web apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09 ◼   ► too don't forget about that check em out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► tell them we send your source Fitz comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13 ◼   ► check it out they do sandboxing yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:17 ◼   ► everyone will I think the motivation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20 ◼   ► be in the Mac App Store is very high and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:23 ◼   ► if an application can conceivably be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26 ◼   ► the Mac App Store according to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:27 ◼   ► rules most developers want their app to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30 ◼   ► be there at this point even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32 ◼   ► still sell it separately they still they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35 ◼   ► want to be available in as many markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:36 ◼   ► as possible in the Mac App Store has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38 ◼   ► been driving sales for people so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:42 ◼   ► are some of these other things you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44 ◼   ► to talk because I still think you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45 ◼   ► still think people want to hear more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47 ◼   ► about your rants on them the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:48 ◼   ► interface have you have you been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50 ◼   ► line now yet is your primary oh no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53 ◼   ► gonna be a while before I upgrade a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:54 ◼   ► while why what absolutely waiting for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57 ◼   ► still have to figure out what I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59 ◼   ► do with Quicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00 ◼   ► I really don't is it doesn't hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02 ◼   ► there's quick and just not run is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04 ◼   ► the profit just won't run or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05 ◼   ► doesn't run does not law doesn't realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07 ◼   ► so I need to do you use Quicken for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10 ◼   ► personal finances yeah yeah so I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13 ◼   ► figure out what I'm going to do there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:14 ◼   ► start auditioning applications I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16 ◼   ► figure what I'm going to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:17 ◼   ► Photoshop because I don't like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19 ◼   ► having Photoshop on my system I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21 ◼   ► a copy of a corn and a couple other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22 ◼   ► programs that I purchased but I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:25 ◼   ► like Photoshop even though I use one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:26 ◼   ► eight thousandth of its functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29 ◼   ► I'm used to it and occasionally I do use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:32 ◼   ► one or two of the more advanced features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:33 ◼   ► so I gotta figure what I'm going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:34 ◼   ► there yeah I'm collecting updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:38 ◼   ► versions of applications now I've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:41 ◼   ► updated version of macfuse some of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43 ◼   ► open store stuff I'll probably rebuild I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45 ◼   ► don't know it's going to be awhile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:48 ◼   ► it work it's a similar issue where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50 ◼   ► have to use disk encryption at work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:53 ◼   ► I don't know if the if work has yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:54 ◼   ► approved Apple's disk encryption so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:57 ◼   ► is what I was going to ask you we spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59 ◼   ► a lot of time last week John talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:00 ◼   ► about the encryption and then you came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:04 ◼   ► out with a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06 ◼   ► I didn't I dang I didn't put in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:07 ◼   ► week's show notes but it's a great link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09 ◼   ► somebody actually ran some benchmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11 ◼   ► they actually have some legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:13 ◼   ► benchmarks showing how much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:17 ◼   ► performance hit you will you will feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20 ◼   ► and it was bigger than you made it seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22 ◼   ► to be honest well I added two links I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:25 ◼   ► was just basically posting links that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26 ◼   ► other people sent me I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28 ◼   ► Providence of these things are what Alex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29 ◼   ► tends to the testing was what if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:30 ◼   ► sends me some information with a graph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32 ◼   ► all retweeted right all you all you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34 ◼   ► to get John to retweet something is send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36 ◼   ► to have a graph on the page and you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37 ◼   ► retweet you if it's something useful so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39 ◼   ► the first one showed that read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41 ◼   ► performance was not really impacted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:44 ◼   ► write performance was like like 50% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:47 ◼   ► reduction uh and so I just posted that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50 ◼   ► there was no explanation accompanying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:51 ◼   ► was just like this guy did this testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53 ◼   ► he's the benchmark here's the graph he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:54 ◼   ► produced that's a lot though 50% all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57 ◼   ► right so a little bit later someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:58 ◼   ► produced another graph that showed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00 ◼   ► much much lower hit with a different SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02 ◼   ► and a different system I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:04 ◼   ► if the benchmark was a shame showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05 ◼   ► that reads were not really affected that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07 ◼   ► much and rights were barely affected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09 ◼   ► that was a dramatic difference from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12 ◼   ► guy's testing on his machine with it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13 ◼   ► a state to another guy's testing so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15 ◼   ► go I mean we're the benchmarks different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17 ◼   ► is because the SSD Hardware was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19 ◼   ► different is because one had different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:20 ◼   ► drivers that you know I I make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:24 ◼   ► can draw their own conclusions I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26 ◼   ► information about these two people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:27 ◼   ► benchmarks or what they mean now I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:28 ◼   ► see some interesting theories one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:31 ◼   ► to understand about SSDs is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:34 ◼   ► have to write data in big hunking blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:38 ◼   ► even if you just update like one byte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:39 ◼   ► somewhere they can't just go in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41 ◼   ► and twiddle the bits in that one byte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:42 ◼   ► what they have to do is take an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44 ◼   ► region I forget how big these regions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:46 ◼   ► are what they're called this correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:47 ◼   ► terminology if you go to the Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49 ◼   ► page on SSDs or flash storage they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:52 ◼   ► to wipe the entire region and rewrite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54 ◼   ► with the change inside it so as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57 ◼   ► imagine doing writes could potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:00 ◼   ► be a lot slower than than doing reads if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02 ◼   ► you have to erase some big giant region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04 ◼   ► before you write it in there and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05 ◼   ► person's theory was that a lot of SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08 ◼   ► have firmware on them or you know chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10 ◼   ► that try to figure out just just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12 ◼   ► deltas between what's there now and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15 ◼   ► you have and they try to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:16 ◼   ► efficient about just writing the deltas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:19 ◼   ► even though they have to clear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:19 ◼   ► entire area and since when you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:24 ◼   ► change one or two little bits if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26 ◼   ► underlying storage is encrypted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28 ◼   ► entire block could actually change and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29 ◼   ► not just those one or two bits because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31 ◼   ► in the unencrypted world you change one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:32 ◼   ► into a little bits but when you re [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:33 ◼   ► encrypt that the whole frickin block is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:34 ◼   ► changed and so then you have to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36 ◼   ► the diff is 100% no matter what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:39 ◼   ► change even if you just change one byte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40 ◼   ► in this area that was one theory I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:43 ◼   ► some guy put forward to why the write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45 ◼   ► performance would be so massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46 ◼   ► affected the reads wouldn't be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48 ◼   ► effective as we were just saying read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:49 ◼   ► this it just comes right off the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50 ◼   ► and gets decrypted so it would mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52 ◼   ► it's not the encryption and decryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54 ◼   ► process that's slowing it down but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:55 ◼   ► the fact that changing one byte in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:59 ◼   ► decrypted world means changing in making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01 ◼   ► the entire block different in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03 ◼   ► encrypted world and so that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05 ◼   ► account for the writes being so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:06 ◼   ► slower but but again the second test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09 ◼   ► that showed the rights weren't is slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:10 ◼   ► maybe that's a different set of firmware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12 ◼   ► or smaller block size different kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:13 ◼   ► flash I don't know the details though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15 ◼   ► I'm saying is that if you have concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18 ◼   ► remember that encryption is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:19 ◼   ► reversible you can encrypt a small disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:22 ◼   ► into a benchmark on it yourself with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23 ◼   ► your actual design and decrypt it or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:28 ◼   ► could just you know take a hands-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:29 ◼   ► approach and say I'm not going to I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31 ◼   ► not going to try this until I see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:32 ◼   ► information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:33 ◼   ► a lot of people are saying hey i heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35 ◼   ► john recommending encryption so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37 ◼   ► going and doing it that's all well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:38 ◼   ► good remember I also I'm also not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:41 ◼   ► upgrading my own computer I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:42 ◼   ► recommending making really good backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44 ◼   ► and you know don't don't just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45 ◼   ► something because I say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:46 ◼   ► you're not absolved of responsibility or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48 ◼   ► using these features because I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50 ◼   ► was good you have to do your own due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:54 ◼   ► diligence and really decide based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56 ◼   ► what you know for a fact whether whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:59 ◼   ► this will hurt your particular usage see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01 ◼   ► I actually disagree I just do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:02 ◼   ► you recommend and I assume that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04 ◼   ► going to vet it and and prequalify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:07 ◼   ► and if you say I mean if you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09 ◼   ► you do it it's good enough for me well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11 ◼   ► every now that's the value of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13 ◼   ► John value to show is if you come in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16 ◼   ► roll in you're like mothers what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18 ◼   ► I'm done I'm I'm gonna do that I'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20 ◼   ► I did run it for months and months all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22 ◼   ► the devils I never had a single problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24 ◼   ► but you don't have the same hardware as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:25 ◼   ► me and you and I certainly wasn't doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:28 ◼   ► any disk intensive operations so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:29 ◼   ► know all the saying is that I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31 ◼   ► noticed a performance hit in my casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:35 ◼   ► testing operations oh it is reversible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37 ◼   ► make a good backup encrypt your disk let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39 ◼   ► it go overnight right run the thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42 ◼   ► a day or two if you don't notice a speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44 ◼   ► hit and it works fine for you then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46 ◼   ► you're fine if you think it's bothering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48 ◼   ► you're causing a speed hook then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:49 ◼   ► reverse it a lot of people are giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51 ◼   ► false positives on it like where Gus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:53 ◼   ► Mueller I think a guy who makes a corn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:56 ◼   ► and Voodoo pad and a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59 ◼   ► applications flying meat software he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01 ◼   ► tweeted that he had encrypted his disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03 ◼   ► and was going to reverse it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05 ◼   ► was making everything much slower and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:06 ◼   ► then a couple minutes later he tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08 ◼   ► actually it wasn't the encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10 ◼   ► because I decrypt it and things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12 ◼   ► still slow and I gotta figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14 ◼   ► this problem actually is so anytime you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16 ◼   ► change anything is a tendency to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18 ◼   ► and blame any problems you have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20 ◼   ► whatever it is that you just did so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:23 ◼   ► know do good a be testing do benchmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25 ◼   ► if you want or just wait on the web to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27 ◼   ► see people do better benchmarks I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29 ◼   ► just wait for I'll just wait for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31 ◼   ► say what to do yeah I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:32 ◼   ► encrypt my Mac Pro because at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34 ◼   ► because it doesn't move so do you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36 ◼   ► worry do you ever worried somebody might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:37 ◼   ► break in your house while you're gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39 ◼   ► and like get on your computer and or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41 ◼   ► take the whole computer take the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:44 ◼   ► thing it could happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46 ◼   ► I don't think there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:47 ◼   ► on there that you know your quicken you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50 ◼   ► go quicken yeah that's not there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52 ◼   ► nothing in quick it doesn't anyone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54 ◼   ► interested in my finances would learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:55 ◼   ► all about my finances but not like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:58 ◼   ► passwords are all in their their bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:01 ◼   ► passwords or anything is just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02 ◼   ► accounting of money and various accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04 ◼   ► all I know is I want to get in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:05 ◼   ► see your quicken I wouldn't steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:09 ◼   ► anything I would just look around poke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:10 ◼   ► around in there benevolent Hank yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:13 ◼   ► don't worry too much about people bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15 ◼   ► I live in a very low crime area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17 ◼   ► thankfully that's good oh you wanna do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:22 ◼   ► hfs+ disc stuff AJ you know I like HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:28 ◼   ► discussions because well I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:31 ◼   ► was one of the areas that we didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:32 ◼   ► to cover last week and that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34 ◼   ► that is very I mean maybe we make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:37 ◼   ► our final topic but I think I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:40 ◼   ► is very much an interesting interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:43 ◼   ► thing to talk about for me because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46 ◼   ► know if you think back to the the olden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:47 ◼   ► days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:48 ◼   ► HFS was ahead of its time HFS was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:52 ◼   ► HFS used to be a really wonderful file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55 ◼   ► system that did things that few few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57 ◼   ► other file systems were capable of am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00 ◼   ► right yeah it was in it for its time not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:04 ◼   ► so much cutting edge in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:05 ◼   ► file system particulars but in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:08 ◼   ► what the file system decided to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10 ◼   ► you know let me think about this rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12 ◼   ► resource Forks and stuff like that think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14 ◼   ► about this let's go back in time let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16 ◼   ► go back in time to I guess we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18 ◼   ► about systems 7 on the Mac and what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:21 ◼   ► what was going on in the windows world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:22 ◼   ► at that time was it windows for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24 ◼   ► workgroups or just Windows 3.1 I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26 ◼   ► remember but it was something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28 ◼   ► it was a you know have you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:31 ◼   ► back much farther that HFS was really no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:32 ◼   ► I'm not saying HFS I'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34 ◼   ► point something out I'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:35 ◼   ► point something out at that time period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37 ◼   ► is that while Windows was in the 3.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:41 ◼   ► time Microsoft DOS ms-dos and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44 ◼   ► type win to launch Windows and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:49 ◼   ► couldn't you couldn't do things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51 ◼   ► Windows at that time and there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53 ◼   ► of people who they weren't even alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55 ◼   ► they weren't even using computers if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57 ◼   ► they were alive at this time period I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:58 ◼   ► mean we're talking a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58 ◼   ► mean we're talking a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00 ◼   ► listeners that might have never gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02 ◼   ► through this and I'm sure you went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:03 ◼   ► through this kind of thing on the Mac if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05 ◼   ► you wanted to you could put you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:08 ◼   ► have an app running an application sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:11 ◼   ► old school terms an application they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13 ◼   ► could just sit on the desktop you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:14 ◼   ► double-click it to launch it that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16 ◼   ► oh you don't want it there you put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:17 ◼   ► another folder drag it to another folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:18 ◼   ► there were very it mattered very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:21 ◼   ► where things were I mean obviously if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24 ◼   ► you wanted your extensions to load they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:25 ◼   ► had to be in in your extensions folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27 ◼   ► in your system folder but I mean other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29 ◼   ► than that you could put stuff wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:30 ◼   ► you felt like putting it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33 ◼   ► applications while they were running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34 ◼   ► pick him up drag and put him somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:35 ◼   ► else people in a like so what big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37 ◼   ► right who cares well back then I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39 ◼   ► that was a big deal that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41 ◼   ► big selling points of the Mac is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:42 ◼   ► just stuff worked the way that the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44 ◼   ► user wanted it to work Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47 ◼   ► that they got a little bit tougher about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:50 ◼   ► that because it's a you know UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:52 ◼   ► underpinnings so they they got a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54 ◼   ► bit tougher but it's still pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56 ◼   ► like that but well if you moved one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58 ◼   ► Windows files or applications or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00 ◼   ► something I mean it just wouldn't work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02 ◼   ► flat-out not work I remember when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04 ◼   ► I used to be an IT support guy and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:08 ◼   ► lady called me down to her office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10 ◼   ► she said Dan you know my computer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:12 ◼   ► acting really weird it gets acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14 ◼   ► really weird really weird again it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16 ◼   ► doing something really weird is it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18 ◼   ► right no you don't come down so I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20 ◼   ► down her office and it was it was acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:23 ◼   ► very weird all kinds of really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25 ◼   ► dialog boxes things are crashing looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:28 ◼   ► around so you know first thing you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30 ◼   ► you launch Windows Explorer or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:33 ◼   ► it was back then you look and and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36 ◼   ► had two folders at the root of her hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38 ◼   ► drive now this is back in the days where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40 ◼   ► you had to have like a C colon slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42 ◼   ► Windows and inside of that there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44 ◼   ► Windows system I mean it was very you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45 ◼   ► had to have certain things set up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47 ◼   ► just so she had two folders one was her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:51 ◼   ► name I don't remember let's just say her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52 ◼   ► name was Janine Janine that was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54 ◼   ► folder Janine and then there was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56 ◼   ► folder called stupid stuff and she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3716">TS</a>]

01:02:00 ◼   ► while the system was running she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:02 ◼   ► moved the windows and the windows system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04 ◼   ► and everything she had moved that into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06 ◼   ► the stupid stuff folder because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09 ◼   ► stupid she didn't like that she didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:10 ◼   ► want to see that at the root of her hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12 ◼   ► drive every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:12 ◼   ► so she had moved it there I mean when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:14 ◼   ► the machine was just going crazy I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:15 ◼   ► saying you could have done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:16 ◼   ► equivalent thing on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:17 ◼   ► everything would have worked but going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:20 ◼   ► back to the whole file system thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21 ◼   ► could you could have case sensitivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23 ◼   ► and it understood that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25 ◼   ► navigate the file system and I'm much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27 ◼   ► more pleasant much easier way and a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:31 ◼   ► part of that was that was what HFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33 ◼   ► allowed you to do you could have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35 ◼   ► know certain files opening with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37 ◼   ► applications that you actually want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39 ◼   ► to and there wasn't some registry that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41 ◼   ► you would need to edit to make a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:42 ◼   ► I mean you give it some credit man what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:46 ◼   ► the big innovation that I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48 ◼   ► original HFS had in long filenames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:51 ◼   ► obviously because in the PC world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53 ◼   ► was not common then no you couldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55 ◼   ► couldn't do that for real you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57 ◼   ► the file name with the little tilde on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:58 ◼   ► it and that was that was only Windows 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00 ◼   ► yeah 80 10 years before you have long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:03 ◼   ► names the lack of file name extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05 ◼   ► because there was other metadata that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:06 ◼   ► used instead of filename extension so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08 ◼   ► the file name was completely in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:09 ◼   ► domain of the user and they did file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12 ◼   ► tracking through unique IDs that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14 ◼   ► unique that was the vault it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16 ◼   ► volume ID and then a file ID so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:17 ◼   ► move the file while it was open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19 ◼   ► applications keep track of it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:20 ◼   ► they were referencing it by its unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22 ◼   ► ID not by its names you could move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24 ◼   ► rename it and the application would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:25 ◼   ► still know where it was some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27 ◼   ► things had a little backsliding in Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29 ◼   ► OS 10 the extensions file extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:32 ◼   ► came on we should do a whole show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:33 ◼   ► finally I'm extending as well just yell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:34 ◼   ► about that but not today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36 ◼   ► tracking files a lot of the next derived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:40 ◼   ► applications tracked files by paths and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:42 ◼   ► if you moved the file out of the way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:43 ◼   ► renamed it they would lose track of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45 ◼   ► they fixed most of these things over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47 ◼   ► course of Mac OS 10 were they that raw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:48 ◼   ► right now we have a way to track the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50 ◼   ► file when it's renamed we have a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52 ◼   ► hide the extensions we have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55 ◼   ► system for binding files to applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57 ◼   ► we have long file names like we always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59 ◼   ► had but we have you know HFS+ bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:02 ◼   ► Unicode support in 1999 or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:05 ◼   ► was introduced so there was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:09 ◼   ► of backsliding into the bad old world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11 ◼   ► and some of that we've never fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:12 ◼   ► recovered from like filing sentence but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14 ◼   ► yeah HFS was a pretty good file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16 ◼   ► but I'm in all my Mac OS 10 reviews over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19 ◼   ► the years I've been complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:20 ◼   ► the file system or asking when we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22 ◼   ► going to get a new file system or in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24 ◼   ► blog and ours I've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26 ◼   ► about for years and years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27 ◼   ► about well what about ZFS or even before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:30 ◼   ► that Apple hired the guy over the B file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32 ◼   ► system for from bos oh is he going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:36 ◼   ► make a new file system for Apple so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:39 ◼   ► things looking to making a new file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41 ◼   ► system and most people aren't interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43 ◼   ► like they don't know what the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:44 ◼   ► system is they don't even know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:45 ◼   ► mean by a file system do that they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:48 ◼   ► I mean the finder or where folders are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:50 ◼   ► or something like that then if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52 ◼   ► know what a file system is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:53 ◼   ► difficult to explain to somebody oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:54 ◼   ► is the piece of software that manages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56 ◼   ► we're on the spinning disk or on the SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59 ◼   ► the data for your files are stored and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:02 ◼   ► when you ask for a file to be looked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03 ◼   ► it figures out you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:05 ◼   ► keeping indexes of files and information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07 ◼   ► about which files and what directory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:08 ◼   ► what the files are named and where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:10 ◼   ► the blocks that make up those files are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:11 ◼   ► are you know that if you don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:14 ◼   ► a file system is is difficult to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:15 ◼   ► so I've been complaining about this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:18 ◼   ► years and nothing's been happening like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20 ◼   ► there was we almost got ZFS years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22 ◼   ► years ago when I think we like Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24 ◼   ► Leopard server was coming out on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26 ◼   ► comm it said and a great new feature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28 ◼   ► Snow Leopard server ZFS it's this great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31 ◼   ► new file system and this is this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:32 ◼   ► made to the apple.com website long after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:35 ◼   ► there had been talk on the web that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37 ◼   ► Apple was porting ZFS and Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39 ◼   ► posted publicly - mailing lists hey we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41 ◼   ► want to pour ZFS to Mac OS 10 if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43 ◼   ► want to help come on board we'll hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:44 ◼   ► you you'll be a contract or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:46 ◼   ► just so much will meant to be behind ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49 ◼   ► going on to Mac OS 10 a ZFS what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51 ◼   ► don't know is that file system created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:52 ◼   ► by Sun that was like a next-generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:53 ◼   ► file system I did I mean this thing did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:55 ◼   ► ever this thing was this was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57 ◼   ► the bomb the ZFS this is what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59 ◼   ► were ruling this is what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:00 ◼   ► killing for it was it was made for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02 ◼   ► server operating system though it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:04 ◼   ► never really quite a good fit for client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06 ◼   ► operating system but but the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:07 ◼   ► Apple got so far along with this process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:09 ◼   ► that they actually put on their publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:11 ◼   ► accessible website that regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13 ◼   ► could see this line item on a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:16 ◼   ► listing the features of an upcoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:17 ◼   ► operating system the server won't only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:18 ◼   ► not the client but it was there but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:21 ◼   ► we all know they took that off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23 ◼   ► webpage Snow Leopard was released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25 ◼   ► without any official ZFS support except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27 ◼   ► for like this open source thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:29 ◼   ► could download and install that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31 ◼   ► always buggy and weird and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:33 ◼   ► those projects died out some people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:35 ◼   ► it was because of legal reasons or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:36 ◼   ► licensing some people say it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38 ◼   ► Oracle bought Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40 ◼   ► others say it's because it was not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42 ◼   ► file system just didn't perform up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44 ◼   ► the standards that it needs to perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:46 ◼   ► it wasn't a good fit for it was maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48 ◼   ► good fit for servers but not a good fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50 ◼   ► for apples client operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:54 ◼   ► certainly not a good fit for iOS all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56 ◼   ► sorts of reasons why it didn't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59 ◼   ► but the bottom line is that now we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:01 ◼   ► left with HFS+ which has been as I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:04 ◼   ► in the review of Mac OS the Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06 ◼   ► itself got a big reset when we went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 classic Mac OS in Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10 ◼   ► have very very little in common except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12 ◼   ► branding and a little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14 ◼   ► philosophy the code bases are very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16 ◼   ► different from each other so that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18 ◼   ► discontinuity at but we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20 ◼   ► next-generation operating system with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:22 ◼   ► all sorts of wizzy new features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:23 ◼   ► great stuff we didn't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25 ◼   ► next-generation file system instead we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:26 ◼   ► just stuck with the file system that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28 ◼   ► the current file system in classic mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30 ◼   ► OS m and a lot of stuff has been added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:32 ◼   ► to it over the years journaling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34 ◼   ► extended attributes internal compression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37 ◼   ► and and now they've added encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:40 ◼   ► through the core storage stuff which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42 ◼   ► actually a layer above the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:43 ◼   ► itself and I thought I would take time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45 ◼   ► in this review finally to explain why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:48 ◼   ► I care what why do I think we need a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50 ◼   ► fastest one all seems fine if you asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52 ◼   ► a regular person if you were able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54 ◼   ► adequately explain to them what a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:55 ◼   ► system is they'd be like all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:56 ◼   ► so the one I have obviously gets the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58 ◼   ► done because I see my files and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00 ◼   ► open and close just fine and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02 ◼   ► save files and what's the big deal so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04 ◼   ► tried to explain here's what's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:07 ◼   ► with HFS+ here's why we need another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:08 ◼   ► file system like here's how the state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:11 ◼   ► the artist moved on I tried to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:12 ◼   ► saying look at this specific modern file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14 ◼   ► system and things it has HFS doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16 ◼   ► because then people would just say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:17 ◼   ► well that may be true but like if I pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19 ◼   ► ZFS that may be true but ZFS takes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21 ◼   ► of memory see if I super slow about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23 ◼   ► logging file systems turn random you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:28 ◼   ► know sequential reads into random reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:30 ◼   ► and they turn random writes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:32 ◼   ► sequential writes in that and that data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:33 ◼   ► pattern is not conducive to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:35 ◼   ► particular application and but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37 ◼   ► so many reasons you can shoot down any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:38 ◼   ► other particular alternative and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:39 ◼   ► wouldn't argue with them all I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:40 ◼   ► is that hfs+ is showing its age really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:44 ◼   ► badly so I listed all sorts of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46 ◼   ► legacy things that H of s does you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48 ◼   ► specific technical details that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50 ◼   ► show the mega hfs+ show its age but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:54 ◼   ► the bottom line is that in my daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56 ◼   ► experience using Mac OS 10 and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:58 ◼   ► else is probably it's you know if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:01 ◼   ► to list the the things that are wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:02 ◼   ► with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:03 ◼   ► the the biggest one is that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:06 ◼   ► reliable like if you just run a Mac for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08 ◼   ► a year and and at the end of that year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10 ◼   ► you're on Disk Utility it will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:13 ◼   ► find errors not hardware errors but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15 ◼   ► software errors on the disk where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17 ◼   ► know this this particular note it'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19 ◼   ► some weird thing you won't understand if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:20 ◼   ► you don't understand the internals of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:21 ◼   ► hs+ but like you know incorrect thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:24 ◼   ► crown incorrect extent node count you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:26 ◼   ► know some some metadata about the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:29 ◼   ► data for a particular file is arranged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31 ◼   ► or the way the files in a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:32 ◼   ► directory are arranged is incorrect and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:34 ◼   ► usually that data can be fixed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:36 ◼   ► scanning the filesystem finding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:38 ◼   ► correct number and putting it in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:39 ◼   ► but if you get an accumulation of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41 ◼   ► errors or a bad one of them in the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:45 ◼   ► place you can lose data sometimes lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47 ◼   ► of data one of the things I pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:49 ◼   ► and the Articles that they added hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:50 ◼   ► links to directories to HFS+ them I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52 ◼   ► going to go into explaining what hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:53 ◼   ► links are but it's it's a just for now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:56 ◼   ► know that it's a they thing from UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58 ◼   ► that the Mac operating system didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:01 ◼   ► have and when Mac OS 10 came along they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03 ◼   ► needed support for hard links and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05 ◼   ► when Time Machine came along they used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06 ◼   ► hard links to directories which was even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:07 ◼   ► odd in the world of UNIX so they needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09 ◼   ► to add support for that to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:10 ◼   ► system and the way they added it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12 ◼   ► that this little directory of the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14 ◼   ► level your hard drive called HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:16 ◼   ► private day there or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:17 ◼   ► with some non-printing characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:18 ◼   ► chopped on the front of it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:19 ◼   ► invisible you can't normally see it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21 ◼   ► can't normally get to it but it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:22 ◼   ► and for every hard link they just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24 ◼   ► little file in that directory and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:27 ◼   ► the hard links on the entire disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:28 ◼   ► the entire volume anyway have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:31 ◼   ► representative file in that directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:32 ◼   ► now when you do a time machine back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:36 ◼   ► there are millions and files on a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:40 ◼   ► know average sized Mac disk and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42 ◼   ► make Time Machine backups they make hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44 ◼   ► links between them so they don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:45 ◼   ► have 20 copies of the same file if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:47 ◼   ► have twenty different backups instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:48 ◼   ► they have one copy of the file and 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50 ◼   ► hard links so if you were to count up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:52 ◼   ► how many hard links you have in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:54 ◼   ► directory on your time machine volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:55 ◼   ► you would see this hundreds of thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57 ◼   ► of hard links all sitting in a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4257">TS</a>]

01:10:58 ◼   ► directory and I think even regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4258">TS</a>]

01:10:59 ◼   ► people can understand that if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:01 ◼   ► singer' folder with hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:02 ◼   ► thousands of files in it that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:05 ◼   ► it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:06 ◼   ► it's pushing the limits of the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08 ◼   ► system and if you ever get any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:11 ◼   ► corruption in that directory you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13 ◼   ► just losing the contents of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:14 ◼   ► directory the content of that directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:15 ◼   ► applied to the entire disk scary things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:18 ◼   ► like that are because they had to hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20 ◼   ► the implementation of hard links in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:22 ◼   ► particular manner now there are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:23 ◼   ► advantages to this hacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:24 ◼   ► implementation for example it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:26 ◼   ► fast much faster than it is on most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28 ◼   ► modern file systems to enumerate all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30 ◼   ► hard disk hard links on a disk because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33 ◼   ► they're all in that same directory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:34 ◼   ► in fact base press Plus actually stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36 ◼   ► some more information where you can from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:38 ◼   ► a particular file trace it back to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40 ◼   ► the other files that are hard link for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:41 ◼   ► another thing it's very difficult to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43 ◼   ► in traditional UNIX file system so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:44 ◼   ► they've taken advantage of their hacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:46 ◼   ► implementations when they could but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:49 ◼   ► still not ideal and it's not the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:51 ◼   ► would probably do it if you didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:53 ◼   ► to retrofit a feature to an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:55 ◼   ► file system of that breaking binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:56 ◼   ► compatibility so that's why I spent all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4316">TS</a>]

01:12:00 ◼   ► this time in this review talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02 ◼   ► HFS+ giving concrete details and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:05 ◼   ► trying to express to regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:08 ◼   ► here's why we need a new file system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:10 ◼   ► the thing I would want out of a new file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:12 ◼   ► system is number one better reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14 ◼   ► I'd like to run a Mac for a year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:16 ◼   ► then run some disk checker on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18 ◼   ► have this checker say of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:19 ◼   ► everything's fine because our software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21 ◼   ► is correct and bug free and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:22 ◼   ► reason you're going to have a problem in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:23 ◼   ► this file system where we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:26 ◼   ► inconsistent metadata is if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28 ◼   ► hardware problem like I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:29 ◼   ► software problems to cause this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31 ◼   ► supposed to be the promise of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33 ◼   ► like the data journaling metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:34 ◼   ► journaling log structured file systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:37 ◼   ► you know if there's some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:38 ◼   ► horrible crash and or someone Yanks out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:41 ◼   ► the plug on the computer I'm okay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:43 ◼   ► losing whatever two or three files were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:44 ◼   ► in flight at that time but when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:46 ◼   ► Machine comes back up I want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:47 ◼   ► internal structures of the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49 ◼   ► to be consistent with with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:51 ◼   ► even if it's missing some data it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:53 ◼   ► shouldn't be corrupted because that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:55 ◼   ► of corruption if you allow it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:56 ◼   ► accumulate you've seen this happen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:57 ◼   ► people's Mac swear that they'll just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59 ◼   ► using a laptop for years and years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01 ◼   ► all of a sudden one day it won't boot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03 ◼   ► will be missing some file and it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:04 ◼   ► hardware problem the hardware is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06 ◼   ► fine it's just the accumulation of HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:09 ◼   ► metadata corruption has gotten to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11 ◼   ► point where now they've lost a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:13 ◼   ► data or need to recover with this quarry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:15 ◼   ► or some other tool or it's I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17 ◼   ► that should happen anymore and in modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19 ◼   ► file systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:20 ◼   ► that you will be much more resilient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:23 ◼   ► this type of thing and the second thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:24 ◼   ► I talk about which this this is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26 ◼   ► hfs+ I would fault every existing modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:29 ◼   ► file system except for maybe ZFS and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31 ◼   ► few other ones is that file systems tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:34 ◼   ► to trust the hardware stack implicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:36 ◼   ► they trust that when the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:39 ◼   ► says write this bit sequence to a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:41 ◼   ► and sends it off through the IO layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:45 ◼   ► they trusted that actually happened and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:47 ◼   ► the next time they say read me this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49 ◼   ► region of that file that I just wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51 ◼   ► they assume the stuff that comes off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:52 ◼   ► disk is what they wrote before but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:53 ◼   ► don't check they don't say well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:56 ◼   ► but they have no idea like you've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:57 ◼   ► know three days later you've rebooted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:58 ◼   ► the computer three times when you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00 ◼   ► that section of that file that you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02 ◼   ► earlier you don't know what you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:03 ◼   ► earlier so the application certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:05 ◼   ► can't check that it's correct it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:06 ◼   ► implicitly accepts it oh well so the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:09 ◼   ► disk and i/o subsystem fed me back this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11 ◼   ► data this must be what's in the file and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:12 ◼   ► maybe this what's in the file but is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:13 ◼   ► what you wrote before you don't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:16 ◼   ► what why would it not be why would why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18 ◼   ► would the data be mismatched well there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:19 ◼   ► there can be firmware errors with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:21 ◼   ► the firmware for the i/o system like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:24 ◼   ► SATA chip or a raid chip or any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:25 ◼   ► type of thing that's between you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:26 ◼   ► your disk the disk itself can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28 ◼   ► hardware problems where some bits get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30 ◼   ► flipped one way or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:30 ◼   ► and people I said well that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32 ◼   ► paranoia that doesn't happen that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:33 ◼   ► the the incidence of hardware problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:36 ◼   ► causing data to come off the disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:38 ◼   ► being correct or so incredibly rare so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:40 ◼   ► there's been a lot of studies on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:41 ◼   ► rare is this actually and in large data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:45 ◼   ► centers or server farms or other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:46 ◼   ► that have lots of disks lots of i/o and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:49 ◼   ► it is rare but the volume of data that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:51 ◼   ► we have is increasing so much that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53 ◼   ► rare as it is you know it's like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:55 ◼   ► have if you have a 1 million you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:56 ◼   ► there's only a one in a million chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58 ◼   ► of something that means like 300 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:00 ◼   ► in China could do it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:01 ◼   ► I'm bad at math here but one in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:04 ◼   ► million sounds like a lot but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06 ◼   ► there's billions of people in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:07 ◼   ► wondering a million you have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09 ◼   ► selection if that's your choice so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:12 ◼   ► there's a one in three billion chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:13 ◼   ► but disks suddenly expand to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15 ◼   ► hundreds of billions of bytes suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:18 ◼   ► it's starting to become a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:19 ◼   ► more likely and that's what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20 ◼   ► with storage everywhere the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:21 ◼   ► storage we have is just going up up up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:23 ◼   ► everywhere our storage is going up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25 ◼   ► we're storing things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:27 ◼   ► increasingly precious to us like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:29 ◼   ► family photos and movies which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:30 ◼   ► irreplaceable priceless and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:33 ◼   ► have hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:33 ◼   ► copies of because everyone has digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:35 ◼   ► cameras and takes digital video and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37 ◼   ► many backups as you have I'll just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:38 ◼   ► back observing well if this corruption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40 ◼   ► on your disk and you make a backup of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42 ◼   ► you're just making a backup of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:43 ◼   ► corruption you know like if the if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:46 ◼   ► picture of your favorite picture of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:48 ◼   ► son or daughter is if the couple bites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:50 ◼   ► got screwed up onto it because of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:52 ◼   ► hardware problem on your disk and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:53 ◼   ► make a backup of it when you ask the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55 ◼   ► disk for those bytes it's going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57 ◼   ► you the corrupted scrambled bytes so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:58 ◼   ► you have a backup of it and say you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00 ◼   ► that backup and you push it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:01 ◼   ► backup online because you're using an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:02 ◼   ► online backup service and you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:03 ◼   ► whole thing that we talked about in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:04 ◼   ► backup vortex thing all you're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:07 ◼   ► propagating the corruption to all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:09 ◼   ► your backups possibly wiping out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11 ◼   ► diversions that weren't corrupt because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:13 ◼   ► eventually you know old versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:14 ◼   ► files even if your backup service holds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16 ◼   ► old versions like Time Machine holds old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:17 ◼   ► versions and some online ones have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:19 ◼   ► limited window of old versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:20 ◼   ► eventually your corruption will push out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23 ◼   ► all the old versions and then two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25 ◼   ► later when you try to make a slideshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:26 ◼   ► let me look at the picture of my child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28 ◼   ► when you know when he or she was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:31 ◼   ► toddler and you look at that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:32 ◼   ► favorite picture and it's all scrambled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34 ◼   ► you're screwed and it's all because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:37 ◼   ► i/o system in the operating system in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39 ◼   ► the file system did no verification that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:42 ◼   ► the data that it wrote really was data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:43 ◼   ► that got stored there this is one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:46 ◼   ► the biggest selling point of ZFS is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48 ◼   ► it has provable data integrity where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:50 ◼   ► does not trust the hardware to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52 ◼   ► right thing it confirms that it has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:53 ◼   ► the right thing with a series of check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55 ◼   ► sums at various levels in the stack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:59 ◼   ► you say well so so what but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01 ◼   ► these check sums and now it knows it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:03 ◼   ► an error why is why is that helpful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05 ◼   ► me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:05 ◼   ► well because ZFS will tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06 ◼   ► there's corruption and it has strategies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08 ◼   ► that you can do to to mitigate that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:11 ◼   ► one strategy is it can do a thing called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:14 ◼   ► diddle blocks where it writes the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:15 ◼   ► data to multiple locations either on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:16 ◼   ► multiple disks or even on the same disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:18 ◼   ► it can write the same data to multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:19 ◼   ► locations so that if one version of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:22 ◼   ► data is corrupt it will still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:23 ◼   ► good version it can repair itself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:25 ◼   ► heal itself if it tries to heal itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27 ◼   ► on the healing fails then it can sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:28 ◼   ► they can make alert you and say hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:31 ◼   ► disk where you're storing stuff it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:32 ◼   ► doing what we're telling it to we told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34 ◼   ► the store of the sequence of bytes when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:35 ◼   ► we did the checksum it's not storing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:37 ◼   ► them it's giving us back some different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:38 ◼   ► data and we tried to fix it and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:39 ◼   ► couldn't from our ditto block or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:40 ◼   ► whatever so you should do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:42 ◼   ► about that so you'll be alerted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:43 ◼   ► or you you know you could be alerted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:45 ◼   ► Apple's implementation the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:46 ◼   ► can tell you this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:47 ◼   ► devices is failing and it has a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:49 ◼   ► you should do something about it now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:52 ◼   ► that will alert you in time to not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:54 ◼   ► the backup copy of this data propagate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:57 ◼   ► across all your backups across all times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:58 ◼   ► across all your 30-day window of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00 ◼   ► whatever you're keeping you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:01 ◼   ► something about it at that point instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03 ◼   ► of just silently going everywhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05 ◼   ► corrupting everything and of course they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:07 ◼   ► can do multi volume raid type situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:10 ◼   ► where it spreads your data over multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12 ◼   ► discs then you have real protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:13 ◼   ► because I can say this this is going bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:14 ◼   ► you could just yank out the disk throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:16 ◼   ► in another one and it will you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:17 ◼   ► refill with the data this is the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:21 ◼   ► thing that I think is not a frill and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:23 ◼   ► not a silly thing that only servers need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:26 ◼   ► that eventually it should be a required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:29 ◼   ► feature of all devices that store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:32 ◼   ► digital data that they should not trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34 ◼   ► the hardware they should be trust but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:35 ◼   ► verify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:36 ◼   ► they should have check sums in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:38 ◼   ► piece of data that they put on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:39 ◼   ► permanent storage and confirm that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:40 ◼   ► they're correct and if they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:41 ◼   ► notify the user and HFS+ so lien doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:47 ◼   ► do that and neither do many other file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49 ◼   ► systems with ZFS does so those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51 ◼   ► two those are the two Biggie's on HFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53 ◼   ► it's and notice I didn't even list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:55 ◼   ► performance or anything like that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:56 ◼   ► their big issue there as well but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58 ◼   ► there's reliability don't don't corrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:01 ◼   ► yourself there's no hardware problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:02 ◼   ► don't want the file system self screwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04 ◼   ► up and then there is data integrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:05 ◼   ► which they're totally not touching at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07 ◼   ► all do something about data integrity if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:10 ◼   ► it has to be there performance is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:12 ◼   ► third one where there's lots of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:14 ◼   ► silly things that HFS does in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16 ◼   ► performance that are not up to snuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:17 ◼   ► alarm the biggest one is that like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:19 ◼   ► anyone is writing to an H of S Plus disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:20 ◼   ► it's one at a time you can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:22 ◼   ► concurrent writes so if any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24 ◼   ► process wants to write something has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:26 ◼   ► wait because it's one big global lock on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:28 ◼   ► the entire catalog file of a metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:31 ◼   ► for the entire volume that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:32 ◼   ► ridiculous in an age of 18 cores you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:35 ◼   ► know you imagine you have like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:36 ◼   ► raid setup that appears as a single hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:38 ◼   ► volume you have 17 spindles you can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:41 ◼   ► write to one at once because because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:44 ◼   ► file system says well I've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:45 ◼   ► global lock nobody else can right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47 ◼   ► wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:47 ◼   ► pretty hard yeah so all this I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:53 ◼   ► know what Apple is going to do in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:54 ◼   ► area I'd ZFS plus the right choice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56 ◼   ► maybe it isn't especially with SSDs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4796">TS</a>]

01:20:00 ◼   ► the performance tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:00 ◼   ► office of SSDs versus spinning disks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02 ◼   ► very different so it seems like if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:05 ◼   ► ever did make a next-generation file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:06 ◼   ► system or adopt one from elsewhere it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:08 ◼   ► should be designed with SSDs in mind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:09 ◼   ► not spinning disks in mind because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11 ◼   ► is clearly the future so whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:15 ◼   ► do it could look very different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:18 ◼   ► even from any existing file system but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:19 ◼   ► think they need to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:20 ◼   ► eventually and I don't think they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:23 ◼   ► get there by continuing to retrofit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:25 ◼   ► stuff on to HFS+ forever and ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:27 ◼   ► because it's already kind of creaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:28 ◼   ► under its own weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:29 ◼   ► Oh that'd be good title creaking under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:32 ◼   ► its own weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:33 ◼   ► maybe so that's it though John we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:37 ◼   ► her we get a wrap this Anna I'm 84 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:40 ◼   ► minutes allowed to I'm allowed to bump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42 ◼   ► Gruber now because I got more downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:43 ◼   ► in his show so he just I could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:44 ◼   ► start talking forever and you just sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:46 ◼   ► there twiddling his thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:47 ◼   ► don't tell I'll tell him you said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48 ◼   ► yeah it's good to next week good to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:54 ◼   ► king right yeah I saw what briefly I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57 ◼   ► a lot of people in the chat room asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58 ◼   ► for Ark despite you not wanting to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00 ◼   ► about it maybe next week we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02 ◼   ► actually talk about Ark despite Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:04 ◼   ► being tired of that topic alright so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:07 ◼   ► yeah so you're gonna be available next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09 ◼   ► week oh no not next week s last last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:12 ◼   ► week lads it was a tease because last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:14 ◼   ► week you said no no I'm on vacation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:16 ◼   ► we talked about that and here you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:18 ◼   ► stubbornly not going anywhere yeah no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:21 ◼   ► was confused about the dates so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:23 ◼   ► week I'm here next week I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25 ◼   ► impossible for a Vulcan to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27 ◼   ► mistake I'm not a Vulcan Romulan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:30 ◼   ► whatever I'm not even into Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:32 ◼   ► come on Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:32 ◼   ► I'm a Star Wars guy alright we'll figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:34 ◼   ► you not mentioned it's hard to know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:36 ◼   ► change it up every week I don't I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:39 ◼   ► consistent well we'll do we'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:44 ◼   ► something all right can follow you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:47 ◼   ► follow John and you should follow him on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:49 ◼   ► Twitter at siracusa nosy si RAC USA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:53 ◼   ► siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55 ◼   ► i'm dan benjamin on twitter we're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57 ◼   ► glad and john wants you to go rate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59 ◼   ► show so even though he get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01 ◼   ► downloads he doesn't get the rating so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:03 ◼   ► this is what you do you go to itunes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05 ◼   ► sign in you you find hypercritical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:08 ◼   ► you give it a five star rating do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:11 ◼   ► want your return do you want reviews or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13 ◼   ► just ratings or you don't care both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15 ◼   ► preferably but if you just want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:17 ◼   ► rating that's fine but reviews are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:18 ◼   ► always nice so that's what you do you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:22 ◼   ► there and do that you go to 5 by 5 TV to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:25 ◼   ► to check out all the other shows that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:27 ◼   ► do and you can tune in live sometimes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:30 ◼   ► get freebies like you did today 5 by 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:32 ◼   ► that TV slash live there's a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35 ◼   ► schedule so you can see when we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:36 ◼   ► it and I John I hope you have a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:38 ◼   ► vacation we won't see you next week but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:40 ◼   ► when you get back we'll try and do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:41 ◼   ► makeup episode and sounds good sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:44 ◼   ► alright yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:45 ◼   ► have a good one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:58 ◼   ► you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplr-Dps/4978">TS</a>]