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00:00:33 ◼ ► returned hello Glenn hello I'm currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/33">TS</a>]
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00:00:50 ◼ ► how to use a computer is here hi Greg hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/50">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► thank you and special cast Jeff Carlson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/54">TS</a>]
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00:01:30 ◼ ► XOXO I thought we would talk about indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/90">TS</a>]
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00:02:24 ◼ ► like there's a unless you George Lucas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/144">TS</a>]
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00:08:13 ◼ ► can build your own moving you can do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► this time you can create create create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► but then there was always that hurdle up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► what do you do with it and so it's nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► that there's so much focus on how to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► how to you know like what happens when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/507">TS</a>]
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00:08:35 ◼ ► finish it that the two guys that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/515">TS</a>]
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00:09:05 ◼ ► you know different resources they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/545">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► actually finish it rather than have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/548">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► just be the passion project that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► been working on in little bits here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► there that you know just might fade out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► this used to be the software thing we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► talking about is that is that software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/558">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► was the leading edge because the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► you have to distribute was bits and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/561">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► can put on a floppy disk and then a CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/562">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► and you can email it then you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► no torrent like there's a lot of ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► show you software and it was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► you could take credit cards and software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/570">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► costs enough that you could get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► credit card system there's paypal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► whatever but physical goods or things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► that were media like funding a movie it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/577">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► was movie was too big to download a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/580">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► while ago and it was impossible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► collect lots of money so it's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/583">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► felt like you could make the movie the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► tools were good enough on a computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/588">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► you can get decent of cameras cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► enough you could make something looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► there's no way you could fund it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► there was no way you could distribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/595">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► unless you got into like video stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► maybe itunes not only pre-funding but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► then the post profit afterwards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► district with distributing times profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/604">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► that's right because remember indie game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► actually this is why don't we will talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► about the whole time but like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► their thing too is they went to Sundance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► with the movie almost two years ago they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/612">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► approached by distributors and they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► to them all they looked at the deal they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/619">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► said you know we will lose all control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/620">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► we can't send a movie out to the backers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► outside the United States for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/625">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► year and a half there like all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► restrictions to maybe do it ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/628">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► they called movie theaters the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► stuff they got us corporate sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► adobe love them because they were using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/633">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► pro bono vacated the my godmother using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► a premier Premier front of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► using Adobe products that they were so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/641">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► indie game the sorry I didn't pan out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► that's what I can explore other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► guys aren't getting paid by Adobe Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► said too much and put them and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► independent even with distribution of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► I'm not just like downloads and discs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► but even like to the movie theaters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► because you can you don't need to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► 400 reels of film now you can take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► digital disc and that's even fighting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► yeah I was um it's fascinating to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► all the it's not just Kickstarter now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► there's IndieGoGo and there are other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/674">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► other sites that are doing different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► models for this and and and you see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► do see two different models here you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► people who are known who are able to cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/680">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► out the middleman in some cases or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► change how they do their business and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► then you see complete unknowns like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► these filmmakers who have a subject that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► people like and want to see and are able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► to fund it and essentially they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► pre-ordering but they're proving that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/699">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► there's an audience and these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► can't afford to put their own money in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► upfront but they know that there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► audience and the audience helps make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/708">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► which in some ways I mean that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► always thought Kickstarter was at its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► core the most important way to do it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► there's an audience for this thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► you can't you know make it for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/717">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► without the kickstart so I most of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► experience I got to be honest most of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/724">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► experience with indie stuff is artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/725">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► especially in the music industry where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► traditionally musicians the economics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► have been so terrible that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► musicians are now going direct to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► audiences and bypassing the the studios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/739">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► I there's a couple music artist Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/745">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► Cody who we used to be in the band soul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/749">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► coughing released a an album of his old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► band songs that he recorded and he had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► bunch of bonus things as you do i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► it was an IndieGoGo project but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► you could get an acoustic album and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► there's a lot of back-and-forth about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/763">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► what he was going to do there but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► something that was kinda outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► realm of the usual i'm going to put out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► artist really like imogen heap decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► to release her tracks for her next album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► as she was recording them instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► waiting for years and then releasing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► album and so her album is gonna come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/780">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► early next year and I've already heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/782">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► half the tracks already bought half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► tracks its kind of brilliant from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/785">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► business standpoint but also i was happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► to subscribe to you know attract every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► two to three months instead of waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► well this is what's happening to is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/795">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► think you're getting the Baroque effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► of having so much money pouring into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► actually want to support the artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/800">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► business but was in film book cartooning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► cartoonist the musicians have made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► terrible living is like cartoons or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► lower down the heat in there at one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► cartoonist I know now it's not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► rolling in money but it's like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► have the day job and this is now let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► make a full living and they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► to worry about the day job somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/820">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► able to quit the day job because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► enough money that they can then move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/823">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► superstars in every field but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► I was thinking about is that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/829">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► broke part is that i'm Kickstarter's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► probably on track to bring it on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► foreigner finder million dollars this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► year I think something like that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/836">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► supported billion dollars and completed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► pledges IndieGoGo is smaller but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► might be I think I'm sure like twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► twenty-five percent of that they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► that different model like Kickstarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/845">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► you have to raise all the money you sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► out to raise you don't get any of it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► can go over IndieGoGo you can say I only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► there's now a bunch of product sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► where there's a it's a different compact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► with the buyer so it's we release money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► to the product designer only as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► complete benchmarks or we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► fully vet there's one site that's we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► going to fully vet the product rating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/868">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► with engineering firms we're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► the ledge see if this is feasible before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► we even let someone listen it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/873">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► we're gonna have to go back and iterate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► so the only stuff we list we feel will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/876">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► be a little further along and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/878">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► likely produced and so they're so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► not just this monolithic like you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► Kickstarter's one approach there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/884">TS</a>]
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00:14:58 ◼ ► us for some specific examples of indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/898">TS</a>]
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00:15:30 ◼ ► method of of releasing to the fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/930">TS</a>]
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00:15:51 ◼ ► whole debate about whether they deserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/951">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► to be on Kickstarter because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/952">TS</a>]
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00:16:00 ◼ ► system the the crowdfunding system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/960">TS</a>]
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00:16:04 ◼ ► contribute to other stuff i was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/964">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► artists through Kickstarter or through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/968">TS</a>]
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00:16:31 ◼ ► you follow you follow that it they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► different models i was going to mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/993">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► in books that you know self-publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/994">TS</a>]
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00:16:40 ◼ ► have been several successes and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1000">TS</a>]
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00:16:57 ◼ ► a series of novel let's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► released by toilet and how it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► twilight fan effect on although you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► do that on amazon now it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► released by him directly self-published [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► amazon and it became wildly successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and is essentially a best-seller now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► I think it was a nanowrimo in fact so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► travel writing month disclosure i'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► the board everybody should write a novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1039">TS</a>]
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00:17:24 ◼ ► I'll write a story about Greg but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► launching a kickstarter for someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1046">TS</a>]
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00:17:29 ◼ ► wait to read that the Kickstarter not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1049">TS</a>]
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00:17:44 ◼ ► they bundle it up into an omnibus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► edition and that's the one that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► published in a more traditional means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► and that that happens to a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► stuff to is once it gets discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► sometimes it just like webcomics that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► turn into printed books it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1077">TS</a>]
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00:18:07 ◼ ► stuff out there it's it's hard to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► it in if you're a publisher if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1088">TS</a>]
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00:18:16 ◼ ► gatekeepers has now been transferred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1096">TS</a>]
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00:18:27 ◼ ► things that you might be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1107">TS</a>]
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00:18:39 ◼ ► mainstream media available terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► indymedia and how do you filter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1121">TS</a>]
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00:19:00 ◼ ► Kickstarter the Kickstarter also cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1140">TS</a>]
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00:20:06 ◼ ► have 10,000 hundred thousand so the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1206">TS</a>]
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00:21:40 ◼ ► CBS but a podcast that reaches 15 or 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► thousand people you know that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► wild success in and and it doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► to reach a million you can be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► you can be uncomfortable and reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► 15,000 people and be okay because we let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► those are the because the comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► listenership those are the best 15,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► let me flip it around to there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► part which is as a creator as an artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► and Jeff Cross has written and enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► number of computer of technical books or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► technology books that brings us to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► sponsor he works of Jeff Carl's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► the circumstances and all his books are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► so just written Jeff catoctin this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► experience being a ton of books when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► want to talk about the hit concepts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► conventional computer but publishers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► turning into interview Jeff tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► about it but it's your written i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► know we have like 30 books including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► revision something on that order of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► magnitude higher but what happens when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► you don't you know you get in advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► what happens when you don't you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► don't have a hit when you're working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► with the conventional publisher how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► that work out for you financially things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► just kind of fade and then I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► they don't come and get your money but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► yeah they'll give you exactly well I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► turn this back on you because I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► go tonight after written books we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► wrote a thousand-page book about adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► golive and wow yeah exactly like 9000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► Stephenson pro we didn't believe it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► the time at three-thirty guns it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► all Stevens well it started as 800 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► so you know that was how much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► is another we started with stephen king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► and ended up with george RR 1 and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► the the way publishing works is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► received in advance and then when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► the book has to earn back its advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► successful or moderately successful we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► you know don't have to give back any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► the money or anything like that and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► mean at some point because goal i was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► big deal for a very small amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► after adobe purchased it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► dreamweaver just basically you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► lunch and so we would get these monthly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► royalty statements and we were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► massively in the whole like we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► never ever ever see any money from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► and so there's the advantage thereof of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► having a a traditional book publisher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► that will take that risk and I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► think ultimately they probably made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► little bit of money because of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► markups and all of that but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► that that that mechanism in place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► someone is going to say okay we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► put some money into this we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► make this happen like it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► thing and then we're going to put it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► there and we have a Salesforce and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► have like infrastructure to to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► happen and even if it's not a a wild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► it's okay and and you know that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► like the profits of this or or if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► sort of you know mid-level sales things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► contribute to the bigger picture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► that's not the case with it with indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► but this is what I this is what i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► is interesting about the long tail had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► this conversation in fact with chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► anderson when he was working on the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► the longtail years ago because he was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► work at amazon in 96-97 one of the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► secrets of Amazon was that is special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► order fulfillment really well and nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► else that at the time even barnes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► noble we could get any book within a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► weeks and charged list price there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► markup at the time that was a secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► because those you make the highest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► amount of money from because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► expensive books typically you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► the thing about the long tail that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► interesting Chris emphasizes a in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► places in his book is that the longtail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► benefits the publisher or the aggregator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► of the resale reseller amazon it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► great for amazon they can sell one copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► of a million books profitably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► hundred thousand publishers that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► selling 10 copies of books a half month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► through amazon they're not making very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► much money and the same thing goes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► the publisher the publisher they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► distribute their profits and losses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► across have some blockbusters and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► not they want the big ones but i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► thinking but they can still do okay even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► as long as an average and I was taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► from the artist standpoint this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► economy of things means that well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► is why flipping around is like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► to sell 15,000 copies of the book to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► earn out and make probably a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► hourly wage from what you did write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► something in every twenty twelve to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► fifteen thousand copies from my but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► production if I go with Kickstarter I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► like I want really not going to kick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► start to write a book about Goliath via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► the classic program it's like an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► video first you have to kick-start the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► time machine that's right it's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► legends of Zelda go live edition but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► i were to do that I don't have to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► twelve thousand copies I'm I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► talking to so many people to kick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► starters who their have the price point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► maybe the rewards in the $25 range they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► sell a thousand their 25 grand it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► enough for them to do 2,000 if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► product or a book or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► they have that they've they may be Nate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► made no money doing air quotes audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► i'm doing air quotes i just made no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► money off the project but they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► literally kick-started they've sold my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► friend matt bors editorial cartoonist he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► printed like 5000 copies of the book for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► fulfilling a thousand order Kickstarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► every bookie cells at this point makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► hundred percent of the cost of that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► he gets to retain because he paid all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► yeah it's a big tits video we did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► actually when we started doing ebooks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► macworld was the same calculation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► was to sell direct you don't go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► a middleman your-your-your unity books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► middleman which sam is on your Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► it's it's believed me far more efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► than going through a book publisher or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► magazine distributor and that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► beauty of this is that you can sell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► don't need to sell 15,000 you can sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► ten thousand five thousand of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► you're doing and it comes back to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► it's a its audience fragmentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► everybody wants to have a best seller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► but if you were building something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► is liked by a small group of people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► can you can do that and it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► failure which it in the past it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► have been a failure and know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► things wouldn't have existed but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► beyond that I think that the motivations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► are fundamentally different there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► different methods for getting the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► producers that are now able to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► advantage of these methods not only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► big corporations and they can like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► know IDG with macworld being able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► more efficient distribution but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► who were doing stuff anyway for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► own edification can now find audiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► and make a profit yes and that's that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► obviously business efficiencies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► really important and where was it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► yes although i would argue with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► macros I mean there is a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► efficiency premiere but in the end we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► wanted to have our content live beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► where was that as editors and so and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► without really any business supervision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► just 19 happened if you're using a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1723">TS</a>]
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00:28:53 ◼ ► articles about the mac if you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1733">TS</a>]
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00:29:48 ◼ ► many topics in her career things will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1788">TS</a>]
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00:29:57 ◼ ► think the overall point of her talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1797">TS</a>]
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00:30:00 ◼ ► podcast the new disruptive read the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1800">TS</a>]
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00:30:18 ◼ ► thing that she loved the most in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1818">TS</a>]
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00:30:22 ◼ ► she had to do on the side because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1822">TS</a>]
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00:30:26 ◼ ► artist and the internet and web comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► and building her audience and selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► you know books and t-shirts and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► else she now makes her living as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1833">TS</a>]
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00:30:56 ◼ ► actually was interesting it was him this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1856">TS</a>]
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00:31:55 ◼ ► or ok to live pictures in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1915">TS</a>]
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00:32:25 ◼ ► it's webcam girls or its books or movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► or TV shows or whatever you get or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► webcomics you're getting there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► build-up then suddenly haha so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► getting i'm just going to sit here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► diversity of stuff to i mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► that's that's what it's gonna add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1963">TS</a>]
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00:32:52 ◼ ► imagine if he had written more books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► it turns out he wanted to write more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► books but they never sold so you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► saw them now you'd see that the artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/1977">TS</a>]
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00:33:33 ◼ ► no word of mouth came up a lot of XOXO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► and and it struck me because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2015">TS</a>]
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00:34:13 ◼ ► propose we take advantage of but no this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2053">TS</a>]
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00:34:21 ◼ ► seen many total explosion new podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2061">TS</a>]
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00:34:33 ◼ ► hinders discoverability there used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2073">TS</a>]
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00:34:38 ◼ ► want to say 25,000 new books published [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► by major publishing houses like the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► 200 a year and they were like 250,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► books published if you include all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2085">TS</a>]
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00:34:50 ◼ ► if you don't include me but now there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► a million-plus books in the united [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► states now published every year and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2094">TS</a>]
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00:34:58 ◼ ► get ISBN and so forth includes ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2098">TS</a>]
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00:35:09 ◼ ► forgets it so yeah we put on goodreads i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2109">TS</a>]
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00:35:15 ◼ ► the water supply then social media can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► help then think sites like goodreads or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2118">TS</a>]
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00:35:27 ◼ ► bubble of my friend of scientists way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2127">TS</a>]
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00:35:38 ◼ ► out there that i know i'm missing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2138">TS</a>]
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00:35:44 ◼ ► it's totally unlike most people of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► ilk and I want to be able to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► completist but also sample widely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► with the a limited amount of time that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► have I don't know where to find things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► that would blow me away that aren't what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► I'm normally consumer and you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► some of that from word-of-mouth but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► know you're missing the things that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► didn't like I said we know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► flophouse if John siracusa hadn't worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► I mean that's such a random connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► right and and that goes for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► anything that we would discover it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► like how do i hear about you named the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► maybe through luck it got here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► would think that this technology would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► enable us to do as a child and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► technology i'm sure i'm including a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► yeah and you're going on a pit stops all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► some of that I like that I i want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► social problem solved as well and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► approach is technological but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► maybe not the right approach that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► hammer i have to hit this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► allowing people to create was no 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► age-old you know they're painting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► cave walls they have an impetus to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► create now extending my cave paintings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► traditional media methods built up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► order to distribute this stuff and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► became ossified and inefficient and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► new technology has come in and and her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► damaged a lot of that's traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► things while replacing it with new stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► that is more egalitarian more democratic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► more open to alternative voices you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► the the gatekeepers argument well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► think that you know but but what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► where do we go am I being impatient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► because we're still undergoing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► previous revolution partly really i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► i think we'll what's nice is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► that like now there are also a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► hammers but you can but one thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► the the only want to be hammered by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► somebody else and we're back to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► again for huh i was thinking it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► better but what's interesting about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► about it all was the indie stuff that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► being talked about here is that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► audience participation that's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► the right term but but you have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► like direct interaction more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► yeah who like your thing who are willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► to to to spread that message I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► I i think with indie game one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► things that they talked about you people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► that are on getting all this i think um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► was it straight friends like like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► would go and do screenings in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► places but they would have volunteers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► who would like set them up there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► like look like advanced people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► because they love this thing right are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► willing to do work half of having that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► connection you you would go to the mat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► like I would read books favorite books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► as a kid and that the novelist was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► the name on the cover and I knew nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► more about them and that that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► happen today right i mean that and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► made big artist it does but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► smartest you feel like you know them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► you hear them on a podcast or you follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► them on Twitter and you would go it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► funny thing about human societies in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► way we're kind of Wired is you would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► to the mat for some because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► they're no longer this person who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► musician they're like I know that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► you have back-channel to them you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► subscribe to their twitter account you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► can read their blog suddenly there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► conversation going on even if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► my strength I was the writer it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► sign out there I work and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► much more intimate connection speed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► is also i think there's the danger is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► there is a jerk there's a problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► why does that happen to you Jason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► what are you tired i'm not talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► anybody here know I'm talkin about 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► more now other than that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► result in sorry I didn't look for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► recommendations we talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► before my friends that's like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► people who go for the so from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► artist's perspective they now have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► possibly right there's people go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► mat for them they're people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► very little some audience people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► read or bi or enjoy their stuff a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► smaller audience and true fans but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► true fans now have a way to spread the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► true religion in a way they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► before right so i have people and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► actually exciting I people are out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► saying like you should listen to the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► disrupted by the way people how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► these references or or what i read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► magazine or whatever i'm working on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► it's exciting to Jeff cross those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► read his book and you know you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► get this book there's usually blog for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► the only way to spread that people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► to find a blog news RSS whatever in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► old days the old and it is well here we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► know and tell you already got 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► ago but now I think that there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► acceleration is that you get the viral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► edge and so projects like indie game or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► things that are going to the glyph is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► the classic when the ipod or ipad iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► tripod-mounted is a these guys went from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► zero to you know hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► dollars in 2010 i think it was for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► plastic they were x XOXO last year too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► that's right and they and then they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► done stuff ever since but the but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► got there because a few people saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► was fascinating and pushed it out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► some influencers you have the dairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► and don't dig may come back yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► other sites and things that you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► where if it's mentioned i know somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► like twitter is fascinating where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► could have something with five million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► followers will mention one kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► and nothing happens to be like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► like LA and it's crickets anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► that's another thing and 50,000 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► pledge twenty dollars in five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► yeah it's it seems to me that what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► saying here is that we've revolutionized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► the ability to distribute and create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► independently but it's all still really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► random when it comes to discovery and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► market is stolen and famous well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► and that's why you get this tendency to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► have stuff by famous people stuff by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► existing artists things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► because they it's a perfect time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► there's other ways because they're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► they're good at I think that I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► ones that excel this the most are um you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► know like musical artists and and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► some writers but I think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► musical artists that have a fan of a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► base that's too small that there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► were big they had one hit ten years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► they had four hits 20 years ago or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► something like that and there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► they can go from effort to every city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► and and get a thousand people but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► it's not hot enough they're not they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► not a superstar and I think it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► be really hard for them and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► easier now I think that some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► saying playing 200 state fairs a year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► not a great one looking well they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► really retro and if you don't like i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► thinking more like musical artists that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► whenever they were never the rolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► stones and and they were never journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► right where they were huge and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► they're very small and they replaced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► lead singer and still bitter about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► but uh sorry journey but that's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► podcasts variability we already did our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► podcast on journey we're going to st [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► mary's pipettes that's just an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► which is the other oceans is three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► sisters to perform years ago they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► fairly popular folk song act and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► wainwright the 1300 former and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► they're kind of this circle and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► them tried to raise money think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► zeros try to raise money on IndieGoGo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► reach a goal for it because it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► different than anything you've ever done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► if she'd try to do another album of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► kind of stuff people that like her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► producing for a 30-plus years I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► she would have even easily succeeded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► this trouble for that kind of artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► where they want to shift direction then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► these mechanisms don't necessarily work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► is kickstarter exbest as either i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► really famous and I want to do a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► that's different than a thing or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► know me sort of and I want to do another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► thing that's so much like the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► like that you'll find this because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► want another one of those things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► like one of the things about XOXO and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► about the enthusiasm that we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► about here for these new methods is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► not many people are talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► failures about the difficulties of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► system that that this is a very survivor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► biased tape on the new strands is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► we talked about the successes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► they're the interesting things we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► about the people who haven't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► working but there are also people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► have put their passion into it put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► the system and then it doesn't play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► I thought about doing a couple different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► terrified to do it because i'm i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► almost certain that it will fail and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► what about your marinated unquestioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► fanbase minus minefield looking up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► going out myself by myself live and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► reminded that i was going to do a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► kick start background actually I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► anyone with two problems are several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► problems and I learned a lot from it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► started the podcast and change my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► life but that this is over a year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► and one of them was I said the reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► levels too high that's pretty clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► there's issues there but the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► was people I've never written a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► like this i don't have an audience yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► the new structures help me build an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► audience that might be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► buying a book of the kind of wrote third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► thing was people thought I was joking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► because people know I joke and Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► crowdfunding a book about crowdfunding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► was very mad haha like no really so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► think everybody's tender people what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► always have a Kickstarter so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► produce a Kickstarter to do your book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► that's what I'm working on that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► a variance that was the other hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► conception or interpretation but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► didn't you know what the key is can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► learn from your failures in that regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► and I totally did and I've done a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► things I feel very successful as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► and I'm the new disruptors podcast is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► attempt to build an audience says Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► Glenn does this thing maybe a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► version of or some other version of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► thing that he's been doing for a year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► two years would not be worth I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► need to put you on the spot why haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► you talked about that about the failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► yeah I did actually SI but you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► don't read everything i would not meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► every time haha it's a full-time job and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► whens Kickstarter is going to be a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► genomics it's a book series following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► our mechanical turk degree the Thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► Islands i wrote a post to the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► actually some forgot the site some site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► that is the thing which was like haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► crowd funding grant money transfer book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► doesn't go and i taught that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► fire and I talked to the guy is like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► this is actually you know I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► nearly exactly funny it was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► understand what sounds funny and he went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► back and he broke something was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► fairly reasonable when i explained like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► here's the five or six things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► wrong and I didn't cost me that cost me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► time for us Jeff Rossen shoot the videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► that cost him time to but what I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► have any hard costs feeling into it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► then I've developed a whole new career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► and I think that's awesome and I wish we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► had more stories like that the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► there's hype around this man is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► probable light right but there's also an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► entire other side of it for things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► don't work and how we fix that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► before we go really quickly i wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► because we're running out of time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► wanted to go around the table and which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► is an actual table because we're sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► at a table and just really briefly if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► you've got some specific thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► want to mention that you that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► enjoyed or supported that was a an indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► project or something that is just out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► the traditional means because I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► that that's what we usually talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► on the podcast and I wanted to at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► able for us to give some shouts out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► two ND stuff that we liked Greg to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► you haven't some things you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► promote one of the first web comics ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► started reading and it was eons ago was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► lucky freelance and that's actually been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► going for 16 years now and he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► doing it as a full-time job for 12 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► it is an epic epic story in comic strip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► it's well-drawn you can see his art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► improving over the past 16 years along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► with his characterizations and the depth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► reference things from a decade ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► if you happen to have that knowledge it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► makes the the interaction so let your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► deeper and so when I started reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► like 10 12 years ago I went back and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► during a slow time at work and I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► six years of archives and I've kept up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► and that was my first real interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► with somebody who was doing something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► the side that had a level of success and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► allowed him to go ahead and do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► actually I don't have anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► recommend because i'm on that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► other side which is like like I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► beneficiary of all of this like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► incomparable that that that has 11 i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► going to recommend that i'll go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► it's led me to wonderful things yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► yes is the jibber on about yeah just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► or two yeah that's got McNulty you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► shut up i'm touching likes but but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► know like you for example Jason like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► never done you just wanna do dis ruptor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► your new disruptive i feel like i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► reading comics now because of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► recommendation and and and and more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► then I think that that you know i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► probably miss a lot of the indie stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► like I'm the target market out to say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► like here's something that's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► and and usually it's because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► like Glenn has has contributed to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► kickstarter and because i have had done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► stuff in the past i get a thing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► them saying when freshman did this maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► you will be like right yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► totally what so you're the recipient of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► the word of mouth from these projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► and end up supporting some of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► reading the comics or whatever yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► you're listening to yeah exactly it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► now I want to add one more thing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► greg was seen that jack chang who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► spoke he wrote a novel called these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► one of the things that was great about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► his talk was that you know he talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► about how great it is to to to crowdfund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► that his is novel which I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► sort of weird at first like like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► can you just write the novel and then go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► searching for it but you know like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► different models but then he said he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► like oh and you don't have to quit your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► day job like this italia sigh thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► my living doing something else which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► like sounded kind of refreshing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► because it like most of things always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► get guess somebody somebody understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► starting a conference called don't quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► independent content creator he sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► fulfilling your dream while also meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► your family your family isn't yeah he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► said I expected value of the speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► will be middle-aged people with families [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► gonna really gonna do it wasn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► was great to be able to hear that 24 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► the afternoon yeah go home to bed now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► starts at seven at night and engines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► what about you oh well uh i was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► Kickstarter back to things because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► think i've put most of my effort into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► supporting stuff that's wound up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► kickstarter and I flaming carrot comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► they did this great Kickstarter where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► it's like I don't even know Bob burden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► the Creator is still alive he's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► can't figure if he's actually crazy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► he has an incredibly good active and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► sustaining for decades i think its a mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► about but he put out a Kickstarter to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► finish some stuff put it about deluxe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► collection he threw in all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► weird stuff and it's a it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► most surreal comics i forgot i even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► known issues i have a pile of them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► the early days and and it was great so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► back that and I was delighted to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► something that was truly in the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► indie spirit 30 20 30 years ago with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► they did everything on their own and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► they kind of went out of some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► comic book labels and come back and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► some new material and collection the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► stuff very cool and I'm i mentioned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► bunch of stuff earlier you have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► wool being a successful nanowrimo novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► that turned into a successful self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► published novel that is now a successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► actually professionally published novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► and it's pretty good so check it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► well this wraps up our time in the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► in this little room i also want to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► a thanks to luma labs for providing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► space they are the makers of fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► product called cinch cinch which if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► are a photographer and you want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► your SLR not be annoying to you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► readily available to take pictures the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► Cinch is here we were getting struct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► yeah that's sort of it kind of murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► dot-com you put it around your they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► didn't even know we were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► mention the biggest space and we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► appreciate a great conductor for letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► us a barge into their space on sunday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► morning and record this so thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► them and i would like to thank my guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► for gathering around this table Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► fleischmann thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► I didn't mention Stephen Fry just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► you to know you did actually using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► nice try nice try Jeff girls and thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► for being back I can't wait till we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► another life never liked that the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► time I into your life you don't show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► on on recording so we live and great NOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► thank you again for showing up like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► can't wait until we do another life but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► ya be on the podcast some other time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► yeah to do you have a family history and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► science really busy creating yes I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► creation of code someone sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► earlier yeah I didn't tell you what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► was created planned and then and for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► comfortable i'm your host Jason don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► thanks for listening and guys did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaBR3f0/3151">TS</a>]