Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► you're listening to hypercritical a [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► what is wrong in the world of Apple [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► related technologies and businesses [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► nobody's safe from my co-host John [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► siracusa i'm dan benjamin this is [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► episode number 24 and we would just like [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► to quickly thank field notes brand.com [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► as well as istockphoto.com for making [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► this show possible more on them as we [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► continue let's get started so what's up [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► how are you doing this week I'm tired [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► busy you're very busy you're working [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► very hard on your lion extravaganza [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► which when does that come out you just [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► you have to be ready for that so if [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► Apple says it's out in the 12th you have [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► to get it out on the 12th they say it's [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► on 19 it's a 19th I heard last night [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► 14th is a new day they're throwing [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► around yep I I mean I'm just trying to [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► get it done ASAP I'm not really worried [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► about the date because the date is not [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► going to make me do it any faster it's [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► got to get done just as soon as it's [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► done it'll be done yeah and I hope I'm [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► done before the release date [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► but if I'm not I'm not now you've got to [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► get done you can't you can't be like [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► that I'm working every possible way to [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► get done waking moment be done yeah [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► and traditionally I haven't always been [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► ready yet day and date sometimes for the [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► older reviews I was a week or two behind [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► it was only recently that I started [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► having the review ready on a day of the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► release so it seemed unthinkable to me [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► that you would you would be late on this [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► yeah well we'll go on sometimes that we [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► were really late like because they it [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► was actually kind of good to be really [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► late because all the other reviews would [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► be out and then people will be [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► anticipating mine you know he's like I [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► wouldn't get run over by the press of [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► all the other reviews it would die down [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► and mine would sort of stand alone that [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► was the way it was done in the old days [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► or is that what you used to tell [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► yourself in any case yeah pretty much [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► all right so even though we don't have a [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► main topic today I do have a whole bunch [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► of random tidbit follow-up e things okay [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► and while waiting for you to get your [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► rhetoric recording stuff ready I've [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► collected some semblance of notes so [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► let's get on here let's do it [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► so the first one is a rusty Moyer [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► emailed and asked what speech [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► recognition software I use because he [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► was having trouble with RSI I don't [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► remember if we talked about this before [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► but I figure it's worth putting out [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► there because I have a little story [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► about it I use Dragon Dictate for the [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► Mac formerly known as Mac speech or [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► Mac's speech dictate I don't remember [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► what the old product name was but a Mac [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► speech was this group of people who got [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► together to create speech recognition [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► software for the Mac back in the time [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► when there wasn't a lot or possibly any [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► good software that does that available [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► of course the hard part of doing speech [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► recognition software is the recognition [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► engine itself and I don't know what they [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► did originally maybe they had their own [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► recognition engine but shortly after the [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► company was formed and start having a [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► product they licensed the speech [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► recognition engine from Dragon which is [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► the big speech recognition company on [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► the PC side of the world and that was a [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► big improvement and then subsequent to [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► that the company that owns Dragon nuance [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► bought Mac's speech so now nuance owns [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► Dragon Dictate for the PC and they owned [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► Dragon Dictate for the Mac and Dragon [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► Dictate for the night because basically [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► Mac's speeches product rebranded and you [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► know improved in small ways so that [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► that's what I use okay I think it's [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► pretty much the only choice on the Mac [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► for series speech recognition and I've [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► been writing the vast majority of my [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► line review with this product otherwise [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► my wrist would be fried it it's I don't [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► know whether it's worth me recommending [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► and not recommending because the bottom [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► line is if I say don't use Dragon [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► Dictate as a terrible product what are [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► your alternatives really so but it's not [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► it's not terrible the recognition is [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► actually really good it's shockingly [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► good in some cases but the product [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► itself could use some improvement first [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► of all it's slow you have this little [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► slider where you can pick between [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► accuracy and speed [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► maybe it's because I'd like to have it [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► pushed more towards the accuracy side [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► but I don't understand what the benefit [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► of speed would be if it's going to miss [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► transcribe what I'm saying so it's kind [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► of like programming correctness first [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► and then speed second so it can lag [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► behind your speech you may have to pause [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► for it to catch up every once in a while [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► and the other thing is that it's very [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► bad at handling manual editing [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► inevitably you have to manually edit [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► stuff that you say because it's very [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► difficult especially when you're writing [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► that technology to say things that the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► speech recognition software doesn't [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► understand like acronyms or technology [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► words and you can teach it technical [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► tasks if you can so you can give it you [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► can give it some words and it'll [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► remember like the way you teach a [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► spelling dictionary how to remember [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► things in fact you can feed it entire [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► text documents and say learn everything [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► in here but it's still dependent on its [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► understanding of how those words are [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► supposed to sound so you can go to an [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► individual word that's not spelled like [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► it sounds and train it manually by [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► saying the word three times and it will [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► learn the word [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► but and I've done that and it helps a [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► lot but inevitably they'll be things you [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► do have to manually add it one example [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► is as you can imagine I've been saying [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► the word lion a lot and it is just [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► impossible to get this piece of software [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► to transcribe lion as a as the word line [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► like the big cat and be capitalized it's [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► always always lowercase and it always [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► does it as line Li ne or Li en or [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► sometimes ly o N and once in a blue moon [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► it does Li Owen and then maybe even more [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► rare than that it does capital Li Owen [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► and I tried to train it so many times [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► it's just I just give up so I mean I'm [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► constantly going back with the cursor [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► and editing sentences that way or the [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► other thing is it does curly quotes that [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► I haven't figured out how to stop it [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► from doing curly quotes someone to do [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► straight ones don't send me email about [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► that it's just the way I work they can [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► if I was acting wanted to change into [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► curly to do public publication I [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► wouldn't object but I don't think they [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► even do it I think they just stick to [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► straight but anyway since I'm writing in [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► Monaco 9 point the straight code notes [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► straight quotes look better than the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► curly one so I like them to be straight [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► so I will go back and fix them but when [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► you go back and edit things unless [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► you're very very careful to correctly [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► interleave manual editing with speaking [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► the program gets confused and doesn't [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► know where it's typing and can [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► accidentally select a bunch of text and [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► delete it or move the curve [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► around or stop responding so that that [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► I'm told this process of being able to [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► use the mouse and the keyboard combined [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► with speaking is much much better on [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► Windows and it is on the Mac I don't [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► know that to be true but that's what [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► I've always heard but I can tell you [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► that it's pretty annoying on the Mac [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► occasionally I have to switch away from [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► the application I'm in go-to dragon [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► dictates a little notepad save the words [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► testing one two three to sort of reset [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► the system and say ok you're listening [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► to me again then go back to my document [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► put the insertion point at the end and [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► start talking and my little story about [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► Dragon Dictate is when I was using it as [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► Mac's speech there's a dialogue in the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► thing that lets you pick the button you [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► want to use to toggle the microphone on [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► and off which I use frequently because [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► you don't want it to be hearing you call [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► or talk to other people in the room or [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► whatever and the key I picked for that [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► is the upper right hand corner of the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► Apple aluminum extended keyboard which [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► is the f19 key just because it's easy to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► hear without looking like you just feel [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► for the top right corner of the keyboard [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► and hit that key to toggle the [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► microphone very easily and that's what I [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► had in Mac speech and when they upgrade [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► to Dragon Dictate that my configuration [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► got changed I guess they updated the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► preference file or whatever and I went [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► into the Preferences to set it to f19 [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► again and I couldn't get to accept f19 [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► as the key that I wanted to use it would [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► just not register and it wasn't one of [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► the preset options so I wrote in to [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► support and I said hey I was using Mac [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► speech now I've upgraded Dragon Dictate [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► I used to use f19 but now I can't [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► anymore this was one was this September [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► of 2010 so I got the little automated [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► email that says you're in the support [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► queue and then a couple days later I got [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► a response from dictate support at Mac's [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► beach comm and they said there is no F [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► 19 key on keyboards that was the extent [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► of their reply so me being the email [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► jerk that I am cropped up a picture from [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► Apple's website of Apple's keyboard [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► showing the F 19 key and send it back to [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► them and then there was a couple more [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► days and then they replied eventually [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► and said we are trying to locate a [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► keyboard with F 19 in order to test no [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► apology no like oops that was done with [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► us to say we should have yeah and I [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► waited and waited and didn't hear back [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► and eventually I took it upon myself to [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► get F 19 in every set like I can set it [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► to like F 11 or 12 or 13 but not [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► 19 so I had to figure out what the key [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► code emitted by Apple's keyboard was 4f [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► 19 and then go and edit this binary [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► plist file and jam in the value I wanted [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► I have in the show notes a link to a [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► support forum thread on their website [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► where I eventually posted my solution [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► basically involved making a binary pea [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► list containing you a correct key code [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► value and then basics before encoding it [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► and then sticking that value inside a [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► pea list and so anyone anyone who's [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► googly on the web for toggle microphone [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► f19 should find this result and they can [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► manually fix it but still no reply over [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► a year later from from the dragon people [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► saying oh we're going to upgrade the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► next version let's use that 19 or [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► anything like that [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► the things that geeks will do to get [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► their keyboard combos well yeah but you [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► know it's this is bad support you [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► shouldn't expose it again if they close [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► the ticket based on me finding a [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► solution like that's not that the [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► solution is get your programmers to [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► allow f19 to be used it's not rocket [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► science it used to work I'm not asking [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► for the moon you know [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► don't close the ticket because I solved [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► my I don't even know if they closed I [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► never get any reply it was just you know [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► they stopped responding so that's a [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► speech recognition ah what I've got next [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► here is I've got John Rubinstein's [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► letter to the Troops about webOS apples [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► $50 Thunderbolt cable and then a whole [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► bunch of stuff on Google+ any preference [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► well I I think we do it right in that [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► order [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► all right and I would love to hear if [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► you have any comments about Final Cut [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► Pro 10 or X as people are calling and [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► I'd love to hear that [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► I will say if we get to it okay um so [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► this happened just while I was getting [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► ready for the show I saw a tweet go by [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► John Romo Steen is the former head of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► hardware for Apple who left Apple to [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► become the CEO of pom I guess he was but [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► uh now he's that the head of all things [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► palm inside of HP and he wrote a letter [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► to does that seem is that seemed like a [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► good move now to you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► oh sure for him yeah definitely good [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► it's a good bet still better move for [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► him yeah but first of all I'm assuming [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► that money is no longer an issue with [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► him so you can say well you could have [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► been a more money inside Apple you know [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► now he doesn't care about money though [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► so money is not as your second and it [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► works on I remember how before you told [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► me that if you all of a sudden had a lot [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► of money you wouldn't want to work [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► anymore how much is that figure what [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► would you need to have John siracusa uh [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► maybe ten million ten million my wife [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► said I was talking to my wife about she [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► said it's more than that so maybe she [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► has plans that I don't know about but [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► yeah ten million would probably do it [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► right ten million and you would feel [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► like you'd never have to work again yeah [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► yeah I think we're gonna get you there [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► alright oh I'll watch my mail for the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► check and work on we'll work on it so uh [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► so yeah I think it was a good movement [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► because he'd pretty much done what he [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► was tasked to do an apple he was the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► head of hardware hardware became very [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► successful Apple became very successful [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► he reaped the rewards but he wanted to [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► try something different he wanted to be [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► the guy in charge for once and you know [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► so off he went I don't know if if the [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► executive team at Apple felt betrayed by [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► him leaving but I don't think they [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► should he just wanted to do something [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► different and he wanted to be the guy in [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► charge for lunch and he wanted to give [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► it a shot so anyway he's reading all the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► reviews of the new touchpad that came [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► out recently palms tablet or HP's tablet [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► and sent an email an internal email [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► which I assume was meant to be leaked [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► it's hard to tell with these things so [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► usually when these things leak it's [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► because the people who wrote them know [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► they're going to leak so it's kind of [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► written to the internal audience it also [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► did the press and I he compared the [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► reviews that the touchpad and webOS are [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► getting to the early reviews that Mac [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► os10 got he has some quotes from reviews [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► I'm assuming they're from like high [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► profile reviews like The Wall Street [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► Journal New York Times but the quotes [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► are over all the software is sluggish [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► there was no quality there are no [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► quality apps to use so it won't last [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► it's just not making sense and then he [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► provides them but with no context and he [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► says it's hard to believe these quotes [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► were actually about Mac OS 10 now it's [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► not hard to believe him it makes plenty [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► of sense in fact I wrote similar things [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► in my early reviews it was just in [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► remember when Mac was 10 was like in the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► early days and he says our situations [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► are very similar and just as Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► overcame these obstacles to become as [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► great things so will we and Glenn flying [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► on Twitter who [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► one who led me to this story tweeted [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that his comparison ignores the fact [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► that other desktop os's were crappy ten [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► years ago - whereas now webOS is [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► competing with iOS which is decidedly [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► not crappy so it's a different is [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► different playing field that that's [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► that's Glen's assertion that basically [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 was bad but everything was bad [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► and Mac OS 10 was clear the next step it [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► just wasn't ready yet versus I can kind [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► of see a versatile webOS now is not the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► first next-generation mobile platform [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► iOS filled that role and webOS is coming [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► in late to a market that iOS created and [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► then that iOS dominates in terms of [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► product quality at least if not sales [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► numbers so it's a little bit of spin but [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► there is some truth to that and the [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► thing with webOS is that it does have [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► that Mac os10 feel and that it's like [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► boy it would be so great if only and [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► then you list two or three things and [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► the two or three things are always it's [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► it's too sluggish doesn't quite feel [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► right some things don't quite work yet [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► right if you look at the screenshots or [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► demonstrations you say yes everything [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► about that is awesome in fact it does [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► many things better than iOS but when you [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► actually use it it just doesn't feel [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► like they use to say but Mac OS 10 just [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► doesn't feel snappy doesn't have the [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► snap the snap with the spelled teh or [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► the snappy and that's true but Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► improved a lot in the first couple years [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► and webOS like every time a new device [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► comes out like this will this will be [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► the one where webOS won't feel slower [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► than like the touchpad comes out surely [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► they'll have a good CPU in there and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► webOS will feel fast and this will make [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► the difference but apparently no still [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► feel sluggish so why now why is that I [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► don't know like I used to wonder the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► same thing about Mac OS 10 because it [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► seemed like a long time we were going [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► through why why I can't get it fast [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► there was all these fantasies with Mac I [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► was kind of like well they're gonna [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► they're gonna include a dedicated chip [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► in the next line of Mac's that will make [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► aqua faster it's going to be a special [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► embedded GPU or a special support from [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► video card vendors or that'll make [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► eventually a combination of factors made [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 feel faster GPU support was [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► one of them but there was never any [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► dedicated chip and there was you know [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► faster CPUs improving their code many [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► things combined to make it faster and [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► what was the turning point for you John [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► were you where you went from saying [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► this should feel faster - this feels [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► fast this is good is the way it should [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► feel it was kind of a frog boiling [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► situation where you don't notice while [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► you're in it that uh that it's happening [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► but then you just wake up one day and [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► you realize if you're a frog that you're [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► boiled and if you're using that goest [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► end that you know hey it's not not so [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► bad anymore like there wasn't a big [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► giant change every release took a [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► significant chunk off of it I think ten [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► point one was probably the biggest jump [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► because ten point oh it was just dog [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► slow and ten point one was such a big [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► jump it was still unacceptably slow but [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► it was probably the biggest gap because [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► ten point I was rushed out or it seemed [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► like it was rushed out it was just you [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► know not optimized correctness first [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► speed later so but they slowly added [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► that GPU support with the GPU based [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► compositing was it was another big jump [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► and then finally the quartz 2d or [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► whatever we called quartz to the extreme [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► quartz GL the thing that does a little [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► bit of drawing on the GPU as well but by [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► that point max themselves had gotten [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► faster Intel the Intel transition really [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► helped things because that was a big [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► bump in speed just from changing the [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► Intel chips because the power pcs had [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► stagnated for a while so I think by the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► time you got GPU based compositing some [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► ability to GPU paste drawing and fast [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► Intel CPUs when you had all three of [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► those and it was like now it's [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► acceptable fast and I remember what [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► release that was maybe it was like ten [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► five ish probably somewhere around there [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► why can't webOS get its act together [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► well it's not quite as easy on the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► mobile platform because you can't just [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► keep getting bigger hotter faster CPUs [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► you have power constraints and battery [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► life and stuff like that so it's not as [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► easy to make the big jumps CPU speed as [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► it was on the desktop uh and maybe just [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► hasn't had enough time yet I don't know [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► I don't know enough about their [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► technology stack to know where the [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► hang-up is like are they doing GPU [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► accelerated drawing there must be [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► because you couldn't possibly do all the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► compositing they're doing on us on a [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► mobile CPU wouldn't work maybe the lag [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► has to do with I don't know some sort of [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► memory allocation issue maybe it's just [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► a too many layers on the layer cake that [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► makes up their stack where you have [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► WebKit well they have that their API [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► frame their GU iframe we're running on [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► top of WebKit which runs the top of [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► their operating system which runs not [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► with the CPU you know [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► I don't know why it's slow but every [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► review I read is that it's still [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► sluggish and maybe it's the same [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► situation I haven't owned the devices so [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► I can't say that even though it's still [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► slow is the touchpad faster than the pre [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► - which is faster than the pre like is [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► there is it making progress I have to [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► assume that it is making progress it [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► just doesn't cross the threshold of [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► acceptability yet but I'm rooting for [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► them a lot of people are rooting for [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► them because they have the most [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► interesting looking most sort of [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► cohesive UI of all the iOS competitors [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► it's just a shame they can't get their [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► hardware and software or act together [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► you know do you think they'll ever be a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► real competitor to Apple iOS I think the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► the Adriel real competitor real [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► competitor like people people market [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► analysts will write how well HP is doing [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► as a result of this and Apple is feeling [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► threatened finally and I mean I do [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► that's what I mean by success do you [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► anticipate that it's tough to say [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► because they may be at the point now [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► where they're never going to get [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► critical mass just because they're so [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► far behind the eight-ball but I think if [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► HP is patient with them and HP continues [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► to be successful enough to support them [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► like having a sugar daddy like that HP [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► the biggest PC vendor assuming they can [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► continue to sell their crappy printers [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► and PCs for enough profit to keep palm [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► going and assuming they don't give up if [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► they play the long game palm could [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► emerge as the third viable competitor to [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► to iOS you know so you've got is Android [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► Windows Mobile and palm and if they [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► stick in there I think there's no reason [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► that palm can't be right in there and [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► start getting good reviews now whether [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► that I will be able to overcome the [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► Android Market surely the same question [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► about Windows Mobile or Windows Phone 7 [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► Series whatever the hell they're calling [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► it is everyone thinks they have an [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► interesting product but can they [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► overcome the lead that the their [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► competitors have so they're kind of in [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► the same boat as Microsoft Microsoft [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► obviously has deep pockets and is [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► dedicated to Windows Phone if HP is [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► equally dedicated I see no reason that [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► it can't be compete [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► with Windows Phone for third place many [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► years down the line and who knows [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► Android could stumble the fragmentation [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► thing could become an issue who knows [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► what's going on over there so if the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► story have his apples no I don't know [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► what I have a note here I wanted to ask [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► you a question before we jump the next [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► story back to your your discussion of [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► using voice recognition software and you [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► said you know you people should know [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► that your operating system reviews [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► generally tend to be many many many many [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► pages they're incredibly detailed very [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► long and you mentioned that if you had [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► been typing this yourself you'd be fried [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► you would be unable to use your hands [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► you have Klaus France sort of like what [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► they have when they're out on the crab [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► fishing boats when the greenhorns go out [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► there like on Deadliest Catch and after [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► the first few days or whatever they're [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► their hands are just like claws that [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► would be you yep but you write code for [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► a living you're at a desk writing code [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► all day long right you're not using [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► voice recognition to write the code are [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► you now I would definitely annoy my [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► neighbors never work I will be weird [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► that would be really weird especially in [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► Perl right you could do it if the if [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► there was a piece of software a [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► dedicated to that and actually the [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► speech recognition is pretty good about [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► doing punctuation like when you say [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► comma period stuff like that although I [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► did have a problem at one point in the [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► review where I was trying to say the [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► word period and if there's some sort of [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► verbal escape sequence to let the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► software know that I'm going to say [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► period but I need I mean PRI OD not [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► insert the piece of punctuation I don't [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► know what that escape is so I just type [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► the word period but yeah similarly you [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► know open curly-brace newline tab tab [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► you know you could say that I suppose so [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► you are typing in your office you're [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► just typing but I guess you're typing [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► much less when you're writing code then [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► you would be if you're writing a long [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► article now it's a similar amount just [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► that I have a certain number of words in [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► me per day that I can maintain while [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► still being healthy and [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► prior doing doing the article in [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► addition would push you well beyond it [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► pushes me over the limit so yeah but if [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► you've taken off work for example maybe [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► then you could type it maybe although [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► the volume is so high and for so long [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► because like working as a programmer [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► especially with server-side stuff your [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► your time is split between writing code [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► and like deploying code or debugging [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► problems in production and stuff like [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► that where you're not always just [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► banging out code a lot of your time is [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► spent you know it's still typing because [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► you're at a command line but it's not [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► the same it's like do something then [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► watch a result then do something else [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► and watch a result or an investigative [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► typing at a command prompt is different [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► than straight programming and even [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► programming you're you know going to the [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► web browser to look up some thing in a [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► reference or something like that whereas [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► when you're typing prose if you're on a [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► roll you can just be going straight type [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► type type type you know so I think even [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► if I took all I would still want to use [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► to bead recognition it's just it's I'm [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► not that great of a typist so I can [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► speak in speech recognition faster than [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► I can type and it's just more [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► comfortable you know you just you talk [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► and words appear on the screen your [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► hands don't have to do anything it's [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► beautiful thing all right continue with [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► your next topic please write so this is [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► Apple's $50 Thunderbolt cable [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► Thunderbolt we talked about a few shows [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► back it's now shipping on Apple's [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► products and then everyone was like okay [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► so where are the things that I can plug [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► into my Thunder right big deal yeah and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► finally there are products like their [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► raid arrays available for people and [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► maybe just some regular hard drives too [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► and they're getting well reviewed this a [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► mac world review of the some raid [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► products showing that it was like [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► ridiculously faster than the firewire [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► 800 predecessor product or a comparable [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► product so you know that's great [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► Thunderbolt living up to its reputation [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► it seems great but the the product in [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► question I believe did not even ship [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► with a Thunderbolt cable and they just [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► said if you want a Thunderbolt cable buy [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► it from Apple for 50 bucks and that's [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► what Apple offers a $50 cable which is [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► not unprecedented because if for example [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► you wanted to hook up a second [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► generation iPod Touch to your television [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► through component video cables the the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► four connectors with like the blue green [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► I figure what the calls are but it's not [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► not composite which is the crappy one [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► component was the good one before HDMI [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► came along so if you wanted to do that [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► you had to pay them $50 for okay [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► which seemed obscene but that's what [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► they charge so now thunderbolt they [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► won't hood you dollars for this cable - [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► not unprecedented but as the Ars [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► Technica story i put in the show notes [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► shows this $50 cable lease has something [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► to justify the fact that it costs more [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► than five bucks I don't know if it [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► justifies fifty dollars probably [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► certainly doesn't but at least you could [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► say well I can see why this cable costs [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► more than a USB cable why what about it [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► this is my Japan it's because they have [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► firmware in there there's little chip in [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► the cable in the cable and the connector [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► I don't know if there's two of them both [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► ends that I fix it tore it apart there's [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► some pictures in the earth technical [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► article of the of the teardown I'm [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► assuming there's a chip like this in [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► both ends but it's a tiny little chip [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► you know but it's its active components [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► inside these cables it's not just a [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► piece of metal wrapped in rubber with [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► connectors at the end and supposedly [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► that's this is called active cabling [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► where the cable doesn't just lay there [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► it does it participates in the process [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► so what is it doing what is the firmware [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► doing so apparently active cabling is [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► commonly used when the data rate is [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► really high and these type of chips are [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► there to sort of calibrate the the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► signals of you know detect how much [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► noise and attenuation there is over the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► cable run and calibrate the the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► signalling - for maximum clarity [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► basically you know I don't think those [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► chips cost more than $0.50 each or [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► something but it makes that it does make [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the cables more complicated to put [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► together there is some tiny little board [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that the chip is on and everything has [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► to be all correctly integrated John do [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► you do you need that kind of [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► intelligence do you need an active cable [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► for Thunderbolt or can you just get a [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► regular old cable according to Intel [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► Thunderbolt connections can only be used [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► with a Thunderbolt cable and Thunderbolt [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► cables have these things all have them [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► yeah so I well we the only is the only [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► table available for purchase so yes [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► currently they all have them in no I [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► mean is are we gonna are we going to [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► start seeing cables coming out that are [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► less money that don't have this and will [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► they work as well or will will will [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► everybody be spending 50 bucks on a [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► cable forever for eventually it'll be 35 [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► bucks or something my impression is that [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► all Thunderbolt cables will have a chip [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► in it I also [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► assume that all Thunderball cables will [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► not cost $50 forever because once [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► monoprice and the the Asian [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► manufacturing machine gets their hands [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► on the technology to make these cables [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► which I assume they will the price will [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► come down down down but I think all of [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► them will have this chip inside them my [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► understanding is that if you don't have [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► this chip you're basically a mini [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► DisplayPort cable and it won't work you [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► can't use a mini DisplayPort even look [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► at the connectors are the same you can't [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► use a me DisplayPort cable to connect [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► your Thunderbolt raid that you got or [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► whatever now what's the scoop on [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► adapters are we seeing any like [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► Thunderbolt 2 firewire adapters yet I [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► haven't seen any again well in theory [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► all these things are possible and I [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► think as soon as it's kind of like [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► firewire cables where as soon as the the [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► the rest of the world gets their hands [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► these things you'll see a flurry of [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► products coming out a lot of them crappy [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► I'm sure but the prices will go down and [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► the diversity will appear and like just [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like today it's a lot easier to find a [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► fire work it you can go into like Best [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► Buy probably and find a fire wire cable [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► whereas that was not true for maybe a [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► year after fire wire was introduced [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► probably you can get them in a drugstore [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► now right so if Thunderbolt will take a [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► while to be adopted and spread in that [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► way it probably won't be like USB which [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► spread much faster because you a beat [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► USB was super cheaper to produce these [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► obviously are not super cheap you need [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► you can chip see me to make chips so [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► John explained to me the why wouldn't [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► mana price or a company like that that's [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► already Belkin whoever who's already [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► good at making cables come out and say [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► you know what we're going to we are [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► going to take the lead in this we're [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► going to be the first ones to come out [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► with high-quality affordable Thunderbolt [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► cables here they are they're cheaper [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► than Apple we've got them all anything [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you want we got all the debt why isn't [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► there a company that's like stepping out [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► doing that why are we here hoping Apple [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► real think you Apple for giving us a 50 [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► to honking well they can't do that on [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► their own because they they just have to [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► license it from Intel though right well [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► they have to have a license something [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► from somebody I don't know who owns the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► rights to what but the bottom line is [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► sending a letter we'd like to start [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► doing it and what I guarantee you there [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► have been many many inquiries made to [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► all the parties who control the [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► licensing for this but doesn't mean that [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► you're going to get a prompt response I [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► also don't know what the lead times are [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► on doing this type of thing they could [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► do a thing we're in [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► else's or whoever whoever's [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► manufacturing these little chips could [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► have the exclusive contract and [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► manufacture them and you have to buy [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► through them for some short period of [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► time you never know what the deals are [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► the business deals are about this so [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it's not for lack of trying I guarantee [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► you that everybody involved in the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► industry who makes cables is trying to [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► make cables for thunderbolt and will [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► probably will also try to sell them for [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► you know $40 instead of 50 because the [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► profit margin still got to be huge so [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► everyone wants in on this gold rush of [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► new fancy cables and every wants to get [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► in early as possible before the prices [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► go down before the race to the bottom so [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► they can sell them for 40 or 30 bucks [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► even when that you know which is still a [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► huge profit margin when the thing [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► probably cost 5 bucks to make or [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► something I think Thunderbolt was the [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► name of tantos horse wasn't for my time [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► it's for your goal something like that [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► some cartoon about TV about a dog named [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► Thunderbolt where he is he thinks he's a [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► superhero he's really not a super he [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► plays one on TV or something like that [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► you see that Hong Kong Phooey [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► number one super guy no this is uh this [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► is new there's some kind of Disney CGI [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► um I don't want a white dog something to [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► think about [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► yeah maybe our first sponsor today is [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► field notes brand made in the USA memo [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► books and more now featuring the [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► American tradesmen Edition a limited [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► release for summer that's sturdy and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► reliable and comes with a carpenter [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► pencil so get one and then build [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► something that will last a hundred years [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► these things are available individually [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► and as part of a yearly subscription [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► they're the official notebooks a 5 by 5 [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► of course and being such there is a [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► coupon code heard it from Dan all one [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► word use that and you'll save 25 bucks [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► on a subscription which I highly [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► recommend field notes brand I'm not [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► writing it down to remember it later [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► writing it down to remember it now [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► alright and so the final thing I've got [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► is Google+ are you on the Google+ I am I [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► was invited to forget who invited me but [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► thank you whoever it was I mean I should [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► remember that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► but who ever was thank you I'm on there [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► got signed up and [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► I I think I kind of know what to do with [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► it yeah I put you in circles yeah I put [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you in there right yeah we put each [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► other in circles [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► you're like rats in a pack the two of us [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► yeah what does that do for us what are [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► we doing next so the way I want to talk [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► about Google+ is start by talking about [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► Facebook which is the obvious comparison [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► product and I was thinking about why [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► Facebook is so popular and secondarily [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► why I don't use it I have a Facebook [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► account I just don't use it at all I was [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► thinking that Facebook is popular for [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► the same reasons that Apple's best [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► products are popular it's because [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► Facebook helps people be successful [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► doing something that before Facebook was [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► too complicated for non-geeks to do with [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► computers and you can you can help [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► people be successful with technology in [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► two different ways one is the the app [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► approach which is to be really easy to [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► understand and use like the iPod just [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► had one big wheel and a button not a lot [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► of controls not a lot of options [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► completely integrated software like it [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► was easy enough to use it was a big step [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► up from these little mp3 players made by [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► whatever Samsung or whatever with tiny [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► little buttons and complicated software [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► and little LCD screen little cursor keys [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► and stuff like that so the iPod [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► succeeded in that way the other way you [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► can you can help people be successful [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► with technology products is to be so [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► incredibly popular that helped to work [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► this thing is readily available and [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► Facebook had the kind of like pressure [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► help where not only was help available [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► you were forced to use it because they [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► would say you've got to get on Facebook [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► because your whole family is on Facebook [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► if you can't figure it out I'll show you [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► how to do it but just get on Facebook [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► get on Facebook I'll get on the phone [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► with you I'll tell you how to use it or [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► for the older people if you want to see [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► pictures of your grandkids they're on [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► Facebook so there's some great [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► motivation for you to figure out this [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► Facebook thing how'd you get down there [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► and figure out how to see those pictures [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► right now Facebook also had a [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► combination of being easy to use or [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► easier to use than the alternatives and [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► that if you are non-technical and you [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► want to put pictures of your grandkids [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► online and you're not a Mac user your [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► options are kind of scary whereas [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► Facebook was like a one-stop shop sign [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► up will suck you into our world and it [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► may not be the greatest UI in the world [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► but eventually you'll figure out how [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► to get your pictures online whereas [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► before you were like well do I want to [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► get you the web hosting company or some [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► software product to put pictures up or [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► Microsoft's picture you were right [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► you know it's just a confusing world [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► stuff Facebook was a unifying force in [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► saying here do your stuff at this place [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► now think about the reasons I don't like [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► Facebook and don't use it well one of [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► the reasons as silly as it might be but [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► it's valid is that everyone else is [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► using Facebook like the non geeks it [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► doesn't feel like a place for people [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► like me it feels like a place for [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► everybody else so in the US and then [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► world of technology geek them it [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► Facebook feels like the other ah [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► and the reason modern I don't know why [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► technical people aren't all on Facebook [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► I know some of them are but one of the [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► reasons I think it didn't catch on is [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► because especially if you're if you work [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► in the web is that Facebook doesn't feel [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► like part of the web I was trying to [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► think about why it doesn't feel like [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► part of the web but because it certainly [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► doesn't and I think if you talk to most [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► web developers or designers that they [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► will they will agree one of the things [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► is that there's no obvious URLs for most [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► things so the the fundamental part of [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► the web is if you can see something in a [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► web page you should have a URL you [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► should be able to send that URL to [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► somebody else and anything that breaks [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► that doesn't feel like the web like if [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► someone goes to that URL and they have [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► to sign up for something to see it that [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► doesn't feel like the web or if there's [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► no URL at all for an individual comment [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► you can go just go to the page or if the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► URL is just for the top level of your [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► comment stream but not to a particular [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► post or even if there are URLs available [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► but it's not obvious how to get them you [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► know if that that doesn't feel like the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► web that feels more like an application [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► that's fine for something like email [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► like Gmail application if there's no [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► obvious URL for message number 55 you're [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► not going to be sending people URLs to [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► your own email that's that's supposed to [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► feel like an application and not like a [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► place or a site on the web but Facebook [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► is supposed to be so you're putting your [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► pictures up there you're talking with [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► people all that stuff it just doesn't [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► feel like part of the web and it's also [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► it doesn't feel like this ownership of [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► the content it's like you give your [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► stuff to Facebook and then Facebook does [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► whatever the hell it wants with it like [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► if they rearrange it it appears in [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► different places that they change their [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► UI [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► if you want your old content it's not [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► always easy to go figure out how to dig [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► it back out you're never sure if the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► URLs that you are using are going to be [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► stable from version to version of the [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► software it just it just feels like [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► you're giving up on the ships for the [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► privilege of being in this Facebook [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► place with everybody else [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► now how Google+ feels different I don't [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► know if it's better but different it [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► feels different to me because it is a [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► little bit better in some of these areas [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► so that it feels like slightly more part [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► of the web they are better about [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► providing URLs for everything they still [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► have the problem where if you have a URL [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► with something it's only shared with [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► circles a and B and you send it to [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► somebody in the not in those circles [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► they have to sign in to see if they're [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► in those circles and they can see it or [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► not but at least they're trying they and [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► Google does have on day one which is [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► impressive complete data export for [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► everything you put into Google Plus so [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► you can go there and I think they call [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► the data Liberation something-or-other [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► where you can export all your data [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► immediately your data is not trapped in [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► Google Plus if you want it to come out [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► you can get it out and it integrates [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► with other Google services that we all [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► consider part of the web already like it [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► integrates with Google search and Google [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► search is clearly part of the web you [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► can pass those URLs around everybody [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► uses it it's not a little walled garden [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► it's part of the web and it integrates [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► with their mail product too which is [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► more like an application but it's still [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► something that people use every day so [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► it feels like something we accept and [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► someone was pointing out one of the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► clever things that Google did with [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► Google Plus is provide invites to tech [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► journalists because the tech journalists [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► now feel like they're an exclusive club [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► that does include them so it feels like [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► it's mostly geeks at this point it's a [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► bunch of tech nerds and other people who [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► were invited to join and they give [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► invites to their tech nerds friends and [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► so lo and behold where we all weren't [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► using Facebook suddenly we're all on [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► Google+ just because we feel like it's [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► just us here obviously if Google is [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► successful the Google+ that will change [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► but they've got their foot in the door [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► of geekdom you know where it's kind of [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► like Twitter Twitter did the same thing [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► and a lot of other services Twitter it [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► was just it was made by geeks and the [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► first people to use it were geeks and we [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► felt like it was our place and even [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► though now you know celebrities are [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► there and everyone else that the general [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► public has come and taken over we still [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► feel like [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► I think geeks still feel like Twitter is [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► our place because we were there first uh [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► you know what I mean [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► yeah and it also feels in a way Twitter [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► feels big enough that it can be our [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► place and you can enjoy it you can use [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► it essentially the same way that you [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► could before [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► even though Ashton Kutcher is using it [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► you know that like that doesn't that [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► doesn't influence it but that is [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► starting to change I think and I think [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► Twitter is responding much more now to [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► what the masses want or the way that [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► yeah and that that actually goes back I [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► think to your to your point about [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► Google+ which is there's almost a sense [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that because Google is Google it might [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► appeal to the masses but it'll always [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► have that sort of engineering geeky [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► Flair like everybody that I know has a [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► gmail account pretty much and probably [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► most of them unlike Facebook everybody I [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► know has a Facebook account only some of [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► them use it I have one I rarely use it [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► you you have one you never use it but [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► everybody that I know pretty much has [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► one whereas I think with something like [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► like Google+ I think there's this hope [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► that it'll always be this engineer style [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► thing by the geeks and and I think that [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► might hurt Google in the long run but I [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► think the geeks will like it for that [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► reason [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► whereas Twitter has changed it's changed [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► a lot because the mass market appeal of [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► it Lady Gaga's on Twitter now yeah I [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► heard somebody say this was outside the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► realm of what I think is reasonable at [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► this point but someone was mentioning [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► that since they seen all their tech geek [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► friends storm on to Google+ and during [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► the launch to give it a spin the same [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► thing happened with Google Wave by the [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► way everyone went to try it out but the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► difference with the wave is they try it [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► out and said I don't get it and quickly [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► left but with Google+ that didn't happen [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► so with all the geeks storming to it [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► someone said well at least a twitter [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► continues to be annoying to us geeks we [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► have an alternative now I don't see [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► Google+ as a remotely an alternative to [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► Twitter but it just shows the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► disaffection being sown among tech geeks [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► but the recent Twitter moves in there [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► and they change ously and maybe people [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► are feeling Twitter isn't the place that [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► it once was and looking for alternatives [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► I don't think Google+ is it and I don't [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► really feel that way about Twitter but [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► some other people do apparently it makes [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► some sense the other thing about Google+ [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► compared to Facebook from a geek [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► perspective is it's not crapped up with [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► ugly ads like the stupid get a flatter [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► belly things we got to see some person's [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► flabby belly or those dumb drawings or [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► everyone knows those annoying ads if you [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► don't run an ad blocker you see them [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► everywhere and even if you do run ad [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► blocker one sneaks through every once in [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► a while and Facebook has those kind of [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► ads on it and geeks don't like that we [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► we just don't want to be bothered by [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► that type of stuff we don't want to see [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► sexy women who are waiting in your area [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► call Matt you know that's not what we [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► want to see it's just it's it's [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► degrading it's insulting and you know [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► what else our intelligence [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► I don't wanna Deeks are much more [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► willing John than then let's say the [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► masses the non geek masses I think geeks [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► are much more willing to pay to not have [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► to see that kind of thing [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► yeah pay or seek you know do other [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► trade-offs right let's write offs that [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► are not is it significant to geeks [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► because it's more complicated to you as [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► well geeks have no problem with that [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► regular people do all right um [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► but so far I mean it's not Google is an [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► ad company they want ads to be [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► everywhere and there probably are if [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► they're ads in Google Plus I haven't [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► seen them because I have such incredible [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► ad banner blindness that I just simply [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► don't see them but all I know is they're [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► definitely not ugly image ads like you [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► see on Facebook right so I there are ads [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► in Gmail but if you ask me where the ads [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► are in Gmail I could not tell you I [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► literally do not see them right and they [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► don't interfere with the use of the [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► product they're not being shoved in the [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► middle of my email threads or anything [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► wherever the ads are they're not [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► bothering me so geeks have that ability [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► to ignore Google's text ads and it's [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► harder to ignore Facebook's things and [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► there's no so far again so far there's [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► no application API in Google+ there's no [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► super poking no farmville no mafia wars [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► no trading fruit with people none of [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► that BS that all our family and friends [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► are doing that we find in Ain and stupid [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► that is not in Google+ yet maybe someday [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► they have something planned for that [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► certainly they had an API for wave were [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► you supposed to write these little [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► things that work in wave these little [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► BOTS and all those other so maybe that [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► technology will come over to us but for [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► now it's not there it's kind of like one [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► of the reasons that people flock to [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► Google to begin with especially geeks [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► was that they just had a really spare [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► homepage it didn't look like AltaVista [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► Yahoo wasn't crapped up with all this [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► stuff it was just a search field their [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► logo and a button or two [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► Google+ feels like that and Google+ is [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► integrated with the stuff the geeks [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► already use like you said everyone you [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► know has a gmail account or every geek [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► you know it integrates with Gmail which [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► I already use integrates with Google [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► search which everybody used [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► it integrates Google Calendar which I [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► happen to use so I'm like Facebook where [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► it's like leave the web and come to [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► Facebook and do all your crap here like [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► Facebook is like a trap I think a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► Facebook is you know I don't I don't [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► know that the correct analogy but it's [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► it's a people check in but they don't [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► check out it's like leave the wits kinda [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► like AOL don't go to the web go to a [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► well it's a separate place and we have [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► our own little microcosmic that's out on [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► the web we have our equivalent over here [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► don't ever leave just stay forever it's [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► wonderful sit down and I don't like that [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► and most geeks don't like that whereas [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► Google+ feels like it's just one more [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► thing being add to integrated with all [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► these other things that we already used [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► it we were already except this part of [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► the web you know that did it's not a [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► trap it's not a place where you just go [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► and check in and don't check out again [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► and one of it one example this is that [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► you can add people to your circles and [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► all there are little things they have in [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► Google Plus even if they're not members [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► of Google Plus because you can add them [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► just by their email address and how does [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► it know the email addresses of people [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► you might be interested in well because [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► you email them a Gmail and I can say [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► well here here's a list of all the [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► people that you email the Gmail and we [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► think based on whatever that these might [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► be people that you want to add to your [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► circles and don't worry about if they [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► don't have a Google+ invite or anything [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► you can still add up the circle when [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► they get a Google+ invite presumably [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► we'll connect the dots and you know put [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► plug in all the wires so that it becomes [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► the person who actually joined Google [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► Plus it's nice and like a like the rest [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► of Google stuff Google's infrastructure [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► advantage comes into play here and that [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► performance has been great even though [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► we've had the rush of people and now [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► they did stop giving out invites saying [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► they had to try to be careful about you [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► know this is the first release maybe [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► they don't want to have people storming [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► it or over maybe it the performance is [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► great because they stop giving out [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► invites but whatever they're doing as [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► usual the server's didn't go down they [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► didn't become slow I didn't stop using [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► it because I click something nothing [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► would happen that happened a lot with [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► wave in the early days another reason [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► the wave failed was that it didn't have [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► the usual Google snap Google Ghul [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► strengths big strength is their scale [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► building the infrastructure and despite [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► all these tech geeks clicking madly and [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► adding people to circles and throwing [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► things around and getting invites and [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► you know all this stuff over the past [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► few days no performance problems [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► everything is snappy and their client [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► side stuff is really fancy and [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► impressive with all these nice effects [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► they have all the stops time being done [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► client-side so it doesn't do it there [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► structure but it shows they know what [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► they're doing programming wise on the [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► web one of the coolest thing was the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► feedback button they have I don't know [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► if you tried this but there's a little [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► feedback thing in the lower right corner [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► of the page where you can send them [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► complaints or whatever so I clicked it [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► with no expectations figuring is going [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► to bring up a mail form and I could [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► complain about something what it [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► actually brings up is a UI where you can [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► it dims the whole page and then you can [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► highlight regions of the page by undoing [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► them with a little draggable rectangle [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► so you can highlight regions of the page [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► and then it has another tool the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► blackout tool where you can put sort of [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► black redaction lines over over the [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► parts that you don't want to see because [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► if you look it could be personal [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► information it could be like a thread [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► with people you're talking about your [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► family members and you don't want to [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► send that to Google so you basically [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► mark up the current thing you see in [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► your web browser in the web browser with [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► web-based tools and then it gives you a [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► preview and says this is what we're [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► going to send we're going to send in [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► this graphic and now write your text and [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► you write your text say the thing that I [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► highlighted annoys me because bla bla [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► bla bla bla and then you send it out and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► it sends the image that you just created [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► with their web this tool along with your [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► description which is a pretty darn [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► impressive feedback tool like if you [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► think about the comparatively [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► caveman-like feedback tools that Apple [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► has and they have complete control of [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the of the platform they can make [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► client-side software for developer [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► estimate you know instead we just get a [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► bunch of text fields with a format we're [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► supposed to use and then we have to go [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► to the separate application to get a [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► system profile report and shove it in [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► there you know this is a richer [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► experience than available with native on [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► the native desktop from people like [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► Apple and they're doing it in a web [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► browser so Apple should be embarrassed [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► by this and everyone else should be [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► impressed and this is just a stupid [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► feedback tool the rest of the UI is you [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► know completely higher level than most [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► of the things you see on the web these [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► days [TS]

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00:46:45 ◼   ► slash 5x5 for details offer expires July [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► 30th 2011 say anything with I stock now [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► as for the circles business adding [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► people the circle circles are basically [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► just groups I'm not really sold on the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► idea of circles I guess you need some [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► kind of branding hook and it probably [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► sounded good in a meeting house have [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► circles they're not groups they're [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► circles but how are they different than [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► groups are how are they different than [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► tagging they're not really different the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► only difference is that little circle UI [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and the circle you why does it seem to [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► scale beyond like 13 or so people [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► because once you get 13 little heads in [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► that little circle on the screen then [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► it's like these are the people in your [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► circle plus more that we can't show you [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► because they don't fit in a little [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► circle and it's maybe people don't have [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► more than 13 people in each circle or [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► maybe when you have one 13 you shouldn't [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► be putting them in a single circle but [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► again tech geeks are outliers we're [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► going to have some sort of group for [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► like I have an Apple nerds group and [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► that is has many many people in it [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► because many people I know are Apple [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► nerds we tend to network with more [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► people than maybe on Facebook well [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► people have a lot of Facebook friends [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► too but you know if you're staying with [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► friends and family members you could be [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► limited but if you're trying to network [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► professionally for example or pseudo [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► professionally where you're networking [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► with people who are interested in the [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► same topic as you your groups can get [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► pretty big but I don't think that's a [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► problem I think they just had to have [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► some kind of hook and circles was it you [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► know one of the commitments I see John a [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► lot on on Twitter and elsewhere is that [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► people who are I guess so popular or [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► well followed well-liked by others their [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► comment and notes on Google+ will rise [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► to the top because they're being [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► essentially liked a lot or plussed a lot [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► and that that will essentially dominate [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► people's streams yeah I made the mistake [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► of adding some people to circles who are [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► really famous and post a lot and it's [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► the same effect on Facebook where if you [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► accidentally friend somebody who is [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► prolific your entire Facebook [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► whatever they call that thing where you [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► see people post it will be dominated by [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► them because so verbose so if you follow [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► someone like that a Facebook has a thing [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► where just says stop showing me updates [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► from this person if that's in GUI [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► thought I saw that in Google+ but then I [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► look when you're looking for it I didn't [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► find it so maybe it's just not I just [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► don't know where it is but they need a [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► feature like that but yeah the products [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► like this yours you're always worried [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► about who knew I targeted with it and [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► famous people are people with a lot of [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► for example people with a lot of Twitter [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► followers use the product differently [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► than people with fewer and I think [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► Google+ is exacerbating a lot of these [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► problems like my biggest annoyance with [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► Google+ is that well this is not [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► annoyance this is actually something [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► interesting that it adds it adds a new [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► toolbar to the top of every Google [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► property they used your Google Calendar [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► your your Gmail it all has this big [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► toolbar that integrates all these [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► products together which is great great [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► idea a good integration cross product [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► you can share things from one to the [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► other stuff like that but it also has a [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► little square it's like a notification [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► square and the square turns red with a [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► number in it every time something new [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► happens on Google+ pretty much anything [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► new someone as you do a circle turns red [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► someone adds a comment to a post that [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► you comment on turns red someone you [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► follow post something turns red and if [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► you I don't think I don't have that many [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► people in circles I got maybe 20 30 [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► people in circles but I guess enough [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► people know of me and know my email [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► address to look me up and follow me so [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► every time someone in the world adds me [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► to a circle that thing turns red and [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that means the thing is constantly red [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► it's constantly red and it's like it's [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► like the unread badges on Doc icons some [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► people just don't like having those [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► badges I don't like having them you know [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► I turn off badges if I can keep them off [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► because there's this compulsion to to I [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► don't have to serve the badge to make [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► the badge go away whatever the badge is [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► telling you to unread read them so it's [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► always goes back to zero it's like a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► to-do list it's like in your face saying [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► here's something you have to do here's [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► something have to do don't forget about [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► this I don't know what psychological [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► ailment causes people to have anxiety [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► when when badges like that appear or [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► what family of them but I definitely [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► have it so I would and it's constantly [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► red for me because I'm popular enough [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► that every few minutes someone is adding [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► me to a circle at least and at least in [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► the initial run up of everyone [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► registering if that continues you know [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► my complaint I use the feedback tool to [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► circle that red thing and said do not [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► want show the badge show a number on it [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► but don't make it bright red because [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► it's but when it's gray I don't care [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► then the number is there enough inter [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► second look and the worst thing is it's [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► red across all my property so I have a [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► gmail tab a calendar tab and a plus tab [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► and all three of them have already have [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► a red thing in it and if I click on the [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► red thing and one of them doesn't become [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► unread immediately and the other ones [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► it's still red over there it's just it's [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► a little bit I mean this is kind of a [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► personal problem and not a problem with [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► our product but I think it's true of a [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► lot of geeks that they don't like those [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► badges that it feels like they're being [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► put upon by the product and being given [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► work to do [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► and the other thing is the email [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► notifications are turned on for [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► everything by default [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► thankfully they could all be turned off [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► but that's a weird default the Halleck [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► anytime anything happens in the plus [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► world someone comments on posts someone [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► signs up someone changes a profile [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► picture someone mentions you someone [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► tags you all these million things that [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► could possibly happen you get an email [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► about it which feels like last century [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► it's like it doesn't it also ain't shown [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► it seemed like the options that they [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► give you to control that aren't exactly [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► what you want them to be like granular [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► but they're not quite giving you the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► options you really want yeah you want to [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► like if something is important you want [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► to be notified of it but importance [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► doesn't depend on the medium or you know [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► what I mean yeah exactly well it sounds [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► like the person like I don't want to see [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► updates from this famous person because [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► they're very prolific and they're [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► constantly doing updates that's not [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► important to me but if my idol Andy [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► Hertzfeld ooh I put into a circle ever [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► says anything to me I immediately want [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► to be emailed about that you know that's [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► that's tough to do at least they just [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► have switches turn them all off so I [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► turned them all off but enough getting [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► an email in a product that's already [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► like it's worse when you're in Gmail I [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► go I get an email in Gmail telling me [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► about something that happened go go but [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► I also have a red badge telling me [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► exactly the same thing because I'm using [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► Gmail which is integrated yeah it's it's [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► silly it should it should detect does [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► this press and use Gmail then don't send [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► them an email for anything because if [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► they're in Gmail they're going to see [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► the little red thing and know that [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► something happened and the great thing [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► is when you click that red thing it [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► doesn't just take you off to another [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► site it brings down a reasonable UI from [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► which you can see exactly what happened [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► and take actions on it from this [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► drop-down thing it's really nice [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► integration [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► it could be improved in that you do have [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► actually had to leave that to go to the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► real plus URL to do more things [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► especially with me like it'll say a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► notification is it 15 more people add [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► you to circles but this that the menu [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► only displays 10 so you don't know if [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► number 11 12 13 14 and 15 are Steve Jobs [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► you know John Rubin seen all these [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► famous people vo what you want to know [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► if a famous person adds you to the [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► circle but people who you have no idea [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► who they are you're not as interested in [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► so I'm doing to do a mutual follows like [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► when I want to see who has joined up [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► like when you added me to a circle I [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► think you were off that list so I had to [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► go to the full list of people who just [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► added me the circle scroll down and I [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► saw your name then I could add you back [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► to one of my circles you know so that [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► process is a little bit clunky but this [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► is all in the run-up phase where we're [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► all just getting settled in the product [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► and adding people to circles and [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► changing our profile pictures it'll be [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► interesting once all this settles down [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► once we've sort of arranged the room the [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► way we want it metaphorically speaking [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► if we all keep using it or adjusting on [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► this board actually I should mention [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► this I still haven't tried this but I [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► think they're killer feature is this [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► hangout thing there's this some I forget [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► but they have a hangout and chats that [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► they have different terms for things so [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► the bottom line is one of the features [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► lets you declare that you're about to [TS]