Hypercritical

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00:00:40 ◼   ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► what is wrong the world of Apple related [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► so perfect that cannot be obliterated by [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► my co-host John siracusa nosey I'm Dan [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► benjamin and this is episode number 23 [TS]

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00:01:02 ◼   ► making this show possible tell you about [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► them as the show progresses john [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► siracusa welcome back thank you Dan how [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► are you tired you sound no different [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► maybe I just always sound tired [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► perpetual tiredness unhealthy condition [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► for the human being yes why are you so [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► tired threw up late writing your lion [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► piece you got it I've been writing [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► writing a lot writing and not sleeping [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► as much but we'll talk about that a [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► little bit later I think okay I thought [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► we could jump right in yeah well we got [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► follow-up okay what you got so I think [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► it was a slash show or maybe two shows [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► ago talked about apples datacenters [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► using Azure Microsoft's azure technology [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► product thing yeah what is that thing a [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► lot of people didn't know what that was [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► and why it was important other than the [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► fact that it's Microsoft software which [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► you would think of course Apple would [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► never want to use that right [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► yeah I was trying to figure out what it [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► was - if you try to read Microsoft's [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► site it's kind of enterprise-e and [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► impenetrable so I asked some people who [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► know about Microsoft technologies and [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► the the analogy they gave me in the [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► quick two minute that I had to talk to [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► him about it before the show was that it [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► was like Google App Engine it doesn't [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► help if you don't know a Google App [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► Engine is but I do know a Google App [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► Engine is so I can at least explain that [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► this will give my understanding of what [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► Azure is so App Engine is Google's thing [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► where you write an application that [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► talks through a set of API s that they [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► provide and those api is talk to [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► google's infrastructure that you you [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► know can't purchase or buy but they will [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► let you run your application on top of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► it if you write to these api so for [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► example you have an api for talking to [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► BigTable which is their database thing [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► actually i don't even know if talks to [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► big tail but some sort of database API [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► where you write to it and then they [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► store your stuff for you and then they [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► run your application on their host on [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► their servers and whatever the services [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► they provide there maybe they do a file [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► snow I don't think they even do a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► filesystem thing but anyway it's a way [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► of letting third-party applications use [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► Google's infrastructure and they charge [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► you for it it you know that there's a [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► free version and I think they charge you [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► for it now when you go over a certain [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► amount of requests or whatever so a sure [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► sounds like Microsoft's equivalent of [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► that where you write to a set of api's [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► Microsoft provides and they run on top [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► of services that Microsoft Azure [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► provides which are like how to [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► distribute out your application across a [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► datacenter and how to access a database [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► instead of just talking to a single [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► sequel server you talk to a more [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► distributed kind of concept of a [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► database so the diagrams are very fuzzy [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► and full of clouds and cylinders and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► stuff like that so I really don't know [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► how it actually works but that was my [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► understanding of Azure now deed and the [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► story I linked to in the last show notes [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► I think was someone who had looked at a [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► packets going over the wire from their [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► iPhone or some beta iPhone or whatever [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► where they were using iCloud services [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► they were looking at a basically HTTP [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► headers right they saw ones that had the [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► tell-tale signs of Microsoft Azure [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► because they they put little headers in [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► there you know that just spell it out [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► Microsoft bla bla bla Azure of all blah [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► and it seems like unlikely that Apple [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► would be adding those to throw people [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► off so it must be actually be talking to [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► some kind of add room service now after [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► that show I found another story that [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► said this is on wind supersite so maybe [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► these guys [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► what they're talking about because it's [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► a Windows site that the evidence was not [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► conclusive and that it could just be [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► that Apple is using Microsoft and Amazon [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► for that matter as part of their content [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► delivery network so in other words the [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► you know Microsoft is hosting these [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► files but only in the capacity as a CDN [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► and that Apple has the real copy of it [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► and so the reason you're seeing these [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► Azure headers is because they're being [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► served out of a data center that runs [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► Microsoft Azure but it's not necessarily [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► Apple's data center and it's just you [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► know functioning as a CDN that seems [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► perfectly plausible to me - there's [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► another story that I didn't link but it [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► was older it was about the former head [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► of Microsoft's a sure you're heard maybe [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► wasn't as earnest maybe was Davis Center [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► but some some bigwig from Microsoft who [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► was involved with Azure was hired onto [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► apple and April of this year that [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► doesn't mean he was brought to Apple to [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► do as you're related things but it seems [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► strange and coincidental that Apple [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► would hire away Microsoft data center [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► guy if they didn't think having some [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► sort of Microsoft's data center product [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► experience was useful and then I heard a [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► rumor that that guy had actually left [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► Apple since then but I don't know it's [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► I'm confused about the personnel at [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► Apple Apple really doesn't announce [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► their personnel decisions publicly so [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► you have to glean all this information [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► by digging through LinkedIn pages and [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► stuff doesn't this just go back though [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► to the right tool for the right job [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► conversation then who cares this is the [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► right tool they want to use it so what [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► they just use it or maybe they maybe [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► they're building their own thing and [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► they did couldn't have already in time [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► yeah same with it let you know for years [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► there was no I work then when they came [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► out with it was great keynote was the [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► the blockbuster hit of that thing and [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► everybody's all keynotes so much better [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► than PowerPoint and that that was like [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► the big turning point for them maybe [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► they're working on something like this [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► but it's behind the scenes who care why [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► is it so bad what is the significance [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► John what is the significance of them [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► using Azure let's say they're really [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► using it so what I think we covered in [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► the last show it's not so much the fact [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► that using Azure is just sensational and [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► that it's a Microsoft technology but the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► things the real thing it could be nobody [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► nobody in the whole of Apple uses [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► Microsoft Excel for anything there's not [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► one guy using Excel so what [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► no no but I'm saying for when you're [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► when you're making a data center all the [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► other guys are not using off-the-shelf [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► software and Apple is using it so that [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► makes them different and also in the [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► server space Windows is not dominant [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► UNIX is the dominant server right [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► platform so it's it's strange in two [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► ways so the Apple is being different in [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► those two ways that they're using [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► they're using off-the-shelf software [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► instead of building and they're using [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► Microsoft when the dominant thing that [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► most people use is Unix that's why it's [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► interesting but it may not even be true [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► because again we have no actual [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► informations as all just people trying [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► to figure things out by reverse [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► engineering things and looking for you [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► know clues and the pictures and stuff [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► like that so we don't know for sure but [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► I just want to fall off and that just to [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► say that there was some some windows [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► experts had a credible explanation for [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► how Apple could actually not be using [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► Azure in its own data centers but simply [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► be using a CDN that it uses out here so [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► next stop I could follow up from way [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► back remember when we did a show where [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► we talked about things that are wrong [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► with different companies in the last [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► company was Pixar yeah we talked about [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► we talked about Google and Facebook and [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► Facebook and Pixar was the one that I [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► said there's no way anything could be [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► wrong with it all right so my complaint [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► about Pixar was that they were not [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► taking enough risks in their creative [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► output and my evidence for that was that [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► they had yet to have a movie that was [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► not good and it was kind of like that [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► the idea was they were using engineering [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► principles to ensure that they never [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► produced a bad movie but those same [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► principles were preventing them from [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► ever making a movie that was as great as [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► some of the greatest movies that Pixar [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► itself admires right so the sequel to [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► cars cars to just opened and I have a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► link in the show notes to the rotten [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► tomato page for cars let me just look at [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► what is that now and the percentage on [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► the Rotten Tomatoes page is currently at [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► 35 percent I loaded this 15 minutes ago [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► and is at 36 so I was actually dropped [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► and yesterday was at 38 and for those [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► that don't know 100% is the greatest [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► movie ever on Rotten Tomatoes Ron [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► tomatoes aggregates reviews from [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► multiple sites 35 is not good what is it [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► just descent to sort of set some [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► parameters set a framework for this what [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► does the original [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► starwars get on this one I gotta look [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► some stuff up then yeah go ahead [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► so I want to see you know I want to said [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► I want to set a framework if the what is [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► here it'd because this scale is [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► meaningless so 100 is a greatest movie [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► right but what do movies that we like as [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► fellow geeks so a new hope is 94% okay [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► cars one is 74% okay what about like a [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► toy story toy story 3 even so Toy Story [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► 3 which is you know a sequel just like [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► Toy Story 2 in fact it's it's worse [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► because it's a 3 at 99% for toy story [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► thread great movie cried a little bit [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► so a lot of people in saying hey you [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► know you you wanted Pixar to have a [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► failure isn't this what you wanted well [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► that's yeah you shouldn't be turning [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► over in your grave you're so happy no [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► because I like half the time they're [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► joking but sometimes like they should [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► just go back and listen to things yeah [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► the idea wasn't that fat failure is the [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► goal therefore you should try to fail [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► like it be that was not the point [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► there's bad logical connections being [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► made there the idea was that they were [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► not taking enough risks and the evidence [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► for that was the lack of failure by [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► changing the evidence to have a failure [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► does not prove that you are now taking [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► enough risks because it's nonsensical so [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► if they first of all I haven't seen cars [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► to so I can't make any judgment about [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► whether this is what I'm looking for or [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► not but I will speculate that if cars 2 [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► fails because it's a timid [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► run-of-the-mill sequel the or you know [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► or just simply was trying to do exactly [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► the same thing as every other Pixar [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► movie but didn't do it as well then [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► that's not what I was looking for [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► if Cars 2 is getting slammed in reviews [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► because they really tried to Susan do [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► something daring and different and it [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► failed then maybe they did do what I was [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► looking for I haven't seen the movie I [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► think my son is actually seeing the [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► movie right now as we speak so I'll ask [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► him for a review but I'm not sure how [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► much I'll get out of him about it but [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► when I do see it I will chime in to say [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► which of those two scenarios is actually [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► happening since it is a sequel and since [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► this is sequel to the movie with I think [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► the lowest rating on Rotten Tomatoes of [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► any Pixar movie out to 74 percent is bad [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► the others are in the 90s and stuff I'm [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► leaning towards it being bad for boring [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► reasons in other words that it was they [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► were aiming for the same Pixar formula [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► they always do and they just didn't hit [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► it for whatever reasons what did they [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► give on on this Rotten Tomatoes thing [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► that you're talking about what do they [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► give a few good men check that one out [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► and then and then Shawshank Redemption [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► you want to make a prediction for a few [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► good men I will say it's in the low 70s [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► 83 ok I'm starting maybe this site's [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► worth looking at what a Shawshank 89 [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► okay that should be higher yeah [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► seriously who's the people who are like [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► not liking the Shawshank Redemption [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► every those refusing people with no no [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► hearts and no minds what used to be at [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► the top of the IMDB rankings for like [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► the best movie ever this it's one of the [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► best movies yeah I mean again when you [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► aggregate stuff I'm not sure how much [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► just tells you because if they decide to [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► pick a bunch of reviews from a bunch of [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► idiots they could drag down or raise the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► score of anything but this is just kind [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► of give you a rough estimate of like how [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► how well reviewed is this movie people [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► are wondering if I haven't seen run [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► Tomatoes I know about it I just you know [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► not in front of a keyboard Metacritic is [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► another side I just happened to go the [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► Rotten Tomatoes one because I saw [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► someone mentioned that it was getting [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► slammed you would think a site called [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► Rotten Tomatoes that the higher number [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► would be more rotten yeah yeah that the [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► name of the site like the height like if [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► how rotten is it oh it's a 100 on the [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► Rotten scale well it must be really [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► rotten so you think they would inverse [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► the numbers I think that would be it's [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► only confusing to people who think about [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► it and that doesn't include most [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► people's all most people just go to the [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► site they see a bar the more filled it [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► gets 100% is better because on 2% is [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► better in school so on and so forth now [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► I understand why they're doing it that [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► way I just they should change the name [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► to fresh tomatoes well I'll send an [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► email so unlike you like you I don't [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► expect the CEO of the company to change [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► their their name just because I send [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► them a Google search result so unfair to [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► me about that on the other shows okay [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► the final bit of follow up [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► I have is and this may be the last time [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► we ever mentioned this in the show so [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► all you toaster haters you've just got [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► one last little push to get through or [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► skip over and then you probably won't [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► ever have to hear about toasters again [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► probably so as we know you can go review [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► the past shows about my problems with [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► toasters and then a Marco and Merlin [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► were nice enough to give me a toaster at [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► WWDC and they shipped it to me and it [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► finally arrived and I've used it and now [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► here is my brief I will try to be brief [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► all-boy review very excited this is not [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► the main topic for the show while this [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► is just follow-up I will try to get [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► through it so first thing I want to [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► start with is that despite everything [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► I'm going to say in this review I am [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► very grateful for this toast oh boy that [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► that doesn't sense not a good way to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► open the WWC was just was just an [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► amazing trip and you know and as much as [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► I enjoyed the technical sessions and [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► everything was really just meeting the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► people that was the best thing about [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► that and Marco and Merlin's toaster gift [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► was just really the icing on the cake so [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► I will always treasure that memory and [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► even if it was the worst toaster in the [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► world I would still keep this toaster [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► for sentimental reasons Allah thankfully [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► this is not the worst toaster in the [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► world in fact I think this toaster is so [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► much better than my old toaster so so [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► different in every possible way than my [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► old toaster that I'm surprised the two [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► appliances didn't annihilate each other [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► when they were brought into the same [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► room I think there was a physics joke I [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► think I'm breaking my own rules here all [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► right scratch just scratch the [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► annihilation bar so the first test for [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► the toaster was I throw a bagel in [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► because I had a fresh stock of imported [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► bagels yes I only get my bagels from New [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► York Massachusetts bagels are no good [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► I'm sorry ah and a cup one in half put [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► it in there turn the thing to the bagel [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► setting press the button and it put up a [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► timer that had three minutes and 50 [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► seconds so if you remember my old [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► toaster took five minutes and eight [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► seconds to do a piece of toast super [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► cold start this one was doing a bagel in [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► 350 so already it's got a leg up right [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► after that I put something else in I [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► think it was another bagel or maybe was [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► a piece of toast and then the timer was [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► only two minutes because this toaster is [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► smart enough to know that the heat [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► carried over from the previous toasting [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► session will shorten the time for the [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► next toasting session so other things [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► about it it's got the rackets inside it [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► is like [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► five times thicker than the previous [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► rack it's not just like a set of spindly [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► wires totally together it's this big [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► heavy metal it's probably like an oven [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► rack a miniature little oven rack and [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► this one has the quartz heating elements [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► instead of those steel things that I had [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► there they look kind of clear and [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► thicker and and they start glowing [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► orange way faster than the steel ones [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► did as as described and predicted by our [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► toaster engineer who wrote erson I did [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► the toast test where you put four slices [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► of toast in there very even browning [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► nice even brown across all of them no [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► hot spots in the middle of the sides or [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► anything like that and a timer you know [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► so that the toaster has a little screen [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► on the front of it but it shows that [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► time you know that's when I push the [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► button I can see three minutes 50 [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► seconds or whatever that timer is great [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► is the best feature of the toaster like [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► the first thing I noticed as I do the [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► first thing my wife comments and on to [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► that the timer is great you would think [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► when you look at it like home use it and [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► LEDs or LCD whatever it is screen back [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that LCD screen on the toaster is just [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► frivolous and stupid and a waste of [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► money and some gadget thing no it is [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► great being able to see how long your [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► toast has to go because just you just [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► moving spending our whole lives pushing [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► down the little lever or turning the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► dial you have no idea how long you have [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► you can look at the dial and see does it [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► look like it's in like a minute and a [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► half or 30 seconds left when it's [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► ticking along or even the push down [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► thing you never knew so you're like can [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► I go out of the room for a second will [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► it ding but you know timer tells you no [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► guesswork is exactly how long it's going [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► to take so great great first experience [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► with the toaster doing its job no fuss [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► no muss [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► but this toaster is not with that is [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► false now again I'm going to describe [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► some faults of this toaster but let's [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► keep it in context here this toaster is [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► so much better than my old Doster that [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► it's it's just in a different league [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► entirely the fact that I can find faults [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► in it doesn't really mean anything [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► because I can find faults in anything [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► but it's kind of like this is the first [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► toaster I've had that it's worth [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► criticizing because now I'm picking it's [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► because the previous toaster was just a [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► total loss like it just didn't even do [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► the basic job of toasting was a horrible [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► piece of crap this this is not and it [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► makes the parts where it falls down all [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► the more glaring so the first one isn't [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► really a flaw with the toaster is just a [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► mismatch with my needs [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► it's got one of those Pizza bumps in the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► back you know where they make the little [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► round cutout things you can stick a big [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► disc in there not it's not as big and [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► pronounced to some of the other ones yet [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it is not a big pizza bump so that's why [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► it's not really a big deal but it is [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► there and I actually didn't realize it [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► was there because it is so small doesn't [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► stick out and the toaster is not a deep [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► anyway so it's not it's not a big deal [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► but it does have a bump which I could do [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► without if it was there so now the knobs [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► in the front there's like a dial a [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► push-button thing with it or anything [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► ever they are made of plastic made to [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► look like metal the rest of the toaster [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► is all stainless steel looking you know [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► shiny metal or matte finish actually and [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► these these knobs look like mill their [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► silvery shiny plastic but they're made [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► of plastic totally ruins the all-metal [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► stainless steel aesthetic of the toaster [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► big mistake to do the plastic knobs g4 [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► they did that because they were [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► concerned about heat conductivity [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► because everyone not same thing I was [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► going to say I think they did for heat [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► conduction the handle because the handle [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► itself is a metal tube but the handle is [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► connected to the door with plastic and I [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► thought maybe they did that to keep the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► heat from the door glass from from [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► conducting through to the metal handle [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► right which would make sense but I'm not [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► entirely sure because I have pans with [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► metal handles and they seem to not get [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► hot unless they're on a really long time [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► but anyway the dials I don't think they [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► have that concern what's because the [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► area around the dials is really get hot [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► and they're only connected by a single [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► you know stick on the inside I'm [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► assuming so I'm not sure how much heat [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► would be conducting through that but the [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► second thing about the knobs is it not [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► only are they plastic but their flimsy [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► feeling they have lots of slop where you [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► move them and nothing is happening and [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► they you know sort of twist on the long [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► axes that they shouldn't twist now this [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► is the thing that especially for [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► high-end toasters like this or medium [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► and I don't know how high in this [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► toaster is but like it seems like [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► everything else about is solid quality [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► construction it performs great and then [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► you put these plastic knobs on it now [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► car makers know how important this is [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► because what car makers even when they [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► make your the crappy car like Target or [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► cell or Honda Civic or whatever they [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► know that the things you touch on the [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► product are so important that they have [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► to feel expensive and they invest lots [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► of time and energy into making the radio [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► dial that the wiper stocks you know the [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► headline that the headlight on/off thing [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► feel expensive and expensive feeling [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► means no slop [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► smooth glide no sort of scratching type [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► of action as you know strong clicking [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► into positive position when you change [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► from one setting to the other and car [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► makers spend the money on those switches [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► that you touch take it out of other [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► things like the trunk lids which they [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► make cheaper you know so they subtract [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► money from them when the arguably more [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► important parts of the car to make the [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► things that you touch feel expensive [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► because I know how much that matters [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► every day when you're using the device [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► that would have been a good move on this [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► toaster I don't know maybe take the [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► money out of some other aspect of the [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► toaster maybe use cheaper metal on the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► back or something or I don't know where [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► they could take it out but put it into [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► those dials because it's worthwhile [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► because those are the things you touch [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► every single day and they do detract [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► from the experience ah the interface [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► like I didn't have to read the manual to [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► do the interface which is you know a [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► gold star right off the bat because if I [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► have to go to the manual for an [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► appliance I'm pissed off so I did not [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► have to read the manual to figure out [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► how to use this appliance although I did [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► look at the manual to make sure I hadn't [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► missed anything and I hadn't it's so I [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► would say it's fairly intuitive but [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► there's a little bit too much happening [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► on the screen I would like the screen to [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► tell me information like the time but I [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► don't need it I don't want have to be [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► using the dial to manipulate things on [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► the screen it's a little bit feels a [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► little bit like setting one of those [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► cheap digital alarm clocks where you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► press the hold down the alarm button and [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► you press this other button to change [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the hour then you press this other [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► button and now you're changing in [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► minutes and it's just amodal [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► you know what I mean like I feel like [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► you get away with just having one or two [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► Dobbs and Niles [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► Dobbs and miles yeah that would be the [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► title the show knobs and dials uh and so [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► I could just manipulate the physical [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► controls and completely know exactly [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► what I'm doing without ever having to [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► look at the screen the screen should be [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► giving feedback to me but it should only [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► be optional it shouldn't be something [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► I'm required to look at to change [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► settings so it's um I can play by the [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► interface and the final thing is I don't [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► know if you've noticed it may just be my [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► model or my particular instance of this [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► model or it may be that this changes [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► over time as the toaster kind of breaks [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► in is that if you bring the door all the [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► way down and just you know press the [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► handle to the counter in front of you or [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► whatever so it's down as far as can go [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► and then take your finger off gently the [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► door will slowly close which is bad [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► because if you open the toaster up and [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► reach your hand in there to pull out [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► something and don't hold the door down [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► with your other hand the or will lift up [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and burn the bottom of your wrist I I've [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► never noticed that that doesn't doesn't [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► seem too [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► that for me so I mean obviously some [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► spring is pulling the door closed and [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► that spring is going to weaken over time [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► so maybe this is just something that [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► happens with a new toaster maybe mine [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► has a particularly strong spring or [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► maybe you just haven't noticed you [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► should try after the show to go to your [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► toaster open the door all the way hold [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► it all the way down to the counterweight [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► you know debounce it in everything wait [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► for it to settle and take your finger [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► off of it and see if it slowly closes [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► itself both my wife and I noticed this [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► we haven't burned ourselves so we've [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► noticed that if we hadn't been holding [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► on the door it would have burned us down [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► with them I'm pretty sure the mind [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► doesn't do that anymore if it ever if it [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► ever did yeah it may be one of those [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► things that just breaks it maybe you've [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► got a super spring in there it's not [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► super it's it's not like it slams cup [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► it's slowly like it sneaks up on you [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► that's going to spring yourself if you [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► modify this modify I was thinking of [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► like if I did want to modify this would [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► I have to open you know could I get in [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► there and find that spring uh um it's [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► not a big deal [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► so those are my complaints about this [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► toaster but they are all minor in the [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► basic capacities as a toaster it [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► performs admirably and it looks it looks [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► great too even with the plastic knobs [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► that you know don't look like the metal [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► the whole toaster just looks so much [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► better than my old horrible thing the [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► only trouble I have with installation is [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► that I had to buy one of those [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► flush-mounted plug things because my [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► plug for the toaster is right behind the [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► toaster and the plug for this toaster is [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► a big honking three prong thing but the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► hole for your finger to go in and you're [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► going to stick straight into the wall it [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► bumps into the back of the toe so what [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► did you get there for this thanks you [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► can buy like a it's the three-pronged [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► plug but it's very low profile it's very [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► flat to the wall it only extends about a [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► centimeter out and the the wire goes off [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► to the side it's like a little pigtail [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► and at the end of that little five six [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► inch pigtail is the regular three prong [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► plug that I plug with hoster plug into [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► okay so the end of the toaster saga [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► social saga hands with me getting better [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► toast faster with more feedback on the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► screen now using the Rotten Tomatoes [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► scale how would you rate this toaster [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► what how rotten or not or fresh is it so [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► I'm going to give my old toaster 20 ok [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► and I'm gonna give this one like an 87 [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► that's almost as good as Shawshank [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► Redemption if it were toaster rotten [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► tomatoes is wrong Josh I'm for [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► attempting Shrek redemption is like a 99 [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► all right I have two small things before [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► we go to our main topic these are not [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► follow up they're just many topics you [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► do undo the first sponsor now get that [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► out of the way sure go for it [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► and that's I shouldn't say get it out of [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► the way I mean that's not I feel because [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► they pay the bills we're appreciative of [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► them but it's it's omni group one of [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► john Syracuse's favorite app makers they [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► make productivity applications they do [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► it just for Mac os10 [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and for the iPhone and the iPad nothing [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► else this is their one area focus which [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► is something that John can respect and [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► do agree do you respect them more [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► because they just focus on the Mac and [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► iOS stuff I don't care where they focus [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► I only care how good their apps are on [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► their apps are really good well they're [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► known they're known for that for making [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► really good apps and what what's called [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► gold standard customer support they [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► really have awesome support where you [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► deal with real human beings and and [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► they're all geeks every single one of [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► those people over there is I mean they [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► they make John look normal that's how [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► geeky they are but they really care they [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► sweat the details and and you can take a [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► look at one of my favorite omni group [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► apps it's OmniFocus it's designed to [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► Kalp you capture your thoughts allow you [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► to store manage and process them into [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► actionable to-do items so if you're a [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► fan of getting things done system or if [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► you just have your own system it doesn't [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► matter and you can you can sync this [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► stuff it'll work over a local network [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► you can currently use MobileMe or even [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► just a standard web dev server that you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► are your own company or workgroup hosts [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► they're they're just awesome and they're [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► available it's available today you can [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► get on the focus of course for the Mac [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► like you've always been able to but not [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► that long ago they came out with it for [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► the iPhone and the iPad you can go to [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► omni group.com to check this out or just [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► go to the iTunes or the Mac App Store [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► and search for OmniFocus one word we'd [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► like to say thanks very much to those [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► guys for making this show possible all [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► right two topics you said too many [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► topics than the main topic so three [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► topics the first mini topic I finally [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► saw Mac Defender in the wild do you know [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► the Mac defender Mac malware thing from [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► I guess a couple weeks ago yeah the [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► thing that if there's [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► anybody who still doesn't know about [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► this it's a little a little thing that [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► loads in a webpage it looks like a [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► dialog box it tells you you need to [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► install something it makes you install [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► it if you're you know if you're prepared [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► to enter your your administrator [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► password but then they came out with one [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► that didn't require administrator [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► password which one did you see well so [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► I've never I've never followed this [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► story I'd heard your podcast about it [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► but never actually like clicked on the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► knee of the links of mine yours reader [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► to read about it because I really don't [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► pay attention to Mac malware stories it [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► just gave me worked up over nothing if [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► it's if it's a legitimate issue I will [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► find out about it from like friends or [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► more trusted sources than just these [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► random sensational things about Mac [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► Defender or stories from virus companies [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► so so again I had never didn't know what [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► to expect from this but I ended up I [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► think it was a Google image thing or [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► something that seems it seems to be [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► where they all come from and I ended up [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► seeing this thing pop onto the screen it [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► look like this little dialog box that [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► was telling me I don't know what was [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► telling me some something about [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► installing something rather than I sell [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► this must be Mac Defender because they [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► were saying it brings up a fake dialog [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► box and usually the virus to fake dialog [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► boxes or mental like windows and they're [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► obviously you can write this one really [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► looks like a Mac window now well that's [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► what that's what I had heard about it [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► from the little summaries I'd see him I [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► knew treat it but this dialog box well [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► so that saga box comes up in the web [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► browser and then right in front of it [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► sort of off to the side comes up the Mac [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► os10 dialog box saying this file will [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► damage your computer and it has the move [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► to the trash button because I reckon you [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► know since had the OS update that [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► detects this so my operating system the [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► detected this was harmful and it was [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► bringing up the putting trash button so [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► I could see a real Mac os10 dialog box [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► and the fake one right next to each [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► other mmm and I don't understand why [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► they couldn't just copy and paste the [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► graphics from a real Mac os10 dialog box [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► into the fake one yeah the fake dialog [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► box look awful the gray was the wrong [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► colour the cancel button wasn't even [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► like rounded like it's not rocket [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► science take a screenshot of a real Mac [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► os10 dialog they're not even trying is [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► the worst virus ever the proportions off [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► you know let's go to interface builder [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► layout a dialog according to the code [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► the Aqua conventions it will give you a [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► little guidelines to do it [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► there's your fake dialog box take a [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► screenshot just make it a big gif I [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► don't care but or gif making a big jpeg [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► or whatever a ping it's not it's not [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► that hard to make a fake dialog box this [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► is the worst showing [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► of any macca malware I've ever seen I'm [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► not going to say oh I can't believe [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► people fall this is obviously not [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► everyone knows every single pixel of [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► what Mac os10 looks like it would kids [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► it's convincing enough for other people [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► but what's the what's the point in not [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► taking the three seconds to screenshot a [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► real dialog box and put in your own text [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► like it's not that much extra effort and [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► it seems like you'd get you'd increase [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► your chances of getting more victims I [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► think that but I think the people for [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► whom this is a concern the people who [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► will see this and say wow yeah I have [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► some virus here and believe the dialog [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► box [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► those people couldn't tell the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► difference between the real one and the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► fake one even if they were next to each [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► other right yeah no I believe that most [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► people will be convinced by this but why [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like it seems harder to me to make a bad [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► looking fake dialog than to make a good [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► looking fake dialog you know what I mean [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► they had to custom draw or find sources [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► for these widgets and make it just it [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► just seems stupid so the more the story [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► is virus makers are dumb and this is a [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► dumb virus and my computer threw it in [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► the trash for me all right next minute [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► that was a mini topic yeah I got just [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► little ones here this is an ongoing [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► peeve with not with Twitter itself but [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► with services that are related to [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► Twitter and this is my grumpy old bands [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► and kids these days why do they do this [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► stuff so every time I want to go [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► somewhere to do something like there was [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► some game that everyone was playing and [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► I go to the site all sign up for this [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► game try it out and says sign in with [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► your Twitter username because apparently [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► uses Twitter in some capacity and so you [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► go a little sign-on thing and does the [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► OAuth thing this is a website does the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► OAuth thing and it shows you low dialog [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► and says we're sending you to Twitter [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► for authorization which what it brings [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► up the little page it says application [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► foo wants to do the following read your [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► Twitter client timeline update your [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► Twitter timeline and you know respond to [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► direct measures or whatever I stopped [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► reading as soon as it says update your [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► Twitter timeline why why in the world [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► would I ever let anyone other than me [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► tweet as me now [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► this seems to be accepted by tons of [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► people because this is not the first [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► service I've seen this for I guess is [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► going on a year now or however long [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► they've supported this thing [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► time I see one of the pages I'm like no [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► you can't tweet as me now if that the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► phrasing was changed to say this service [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► would like to send email as you would [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► you say oh sure yeah you can send emails [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► mean I know email has no authentication [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► there's no way to prove this your [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► whatever is just the principle of the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► matter would you let any program from a [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► website pretend that it's you through [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► any communication medium please let this [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► program make telephone calls as you you [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► know and and of course this Twitter has [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► no good metadata [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► there's no way to distinguish a tweet [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► you know from the perspective of people [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► reading your timeline in a common [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► Twitter client they can't tell whether [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► this was you tweeting some stupid shill [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► for some company or a website [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► automatically dude why in the world [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► would I have never said yes to one of [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► those things and I never will why would [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► I let someone tweeted me and why do [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► people that Applications tweet as them [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► it just seems insane to me I'm sure no [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► one would ever let any website email has [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► them if they said we'd like to send [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► email pertaining to bu and yeah we might [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► email your friends and say hey you know [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► check out this website or whatever and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► then your friends will say did you know [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► me some spam about this site thing or [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► whatever and then you say yeah I let [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► that site send email for me as that [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► would never happen in a million years [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► but somehow I was okay with Twitter have [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► you ever said yes to one of those dialog [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► box I never have no and then the idea [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► that it could do that always made me [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► kind of nervous I don't like that [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► someone in the chat room says that [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► people reading your timeline on on [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► random Twitter clients can tell that it [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► was a web site doing it because the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► clients basically the user-agent the [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► metadata will say that it was tweeted [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► from web site XYZ I don't know many [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► Twitter clients that show that [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► information prominently I guess the web [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► site does the web site does if you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► mouthing like texting you know small [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► text underneath it but for people using [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► desktop clients and stuff they don't see [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► that and even though it's right in your [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► face on every single tweet on the [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► website you know from via Twitter Africa [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► wire whatever your application is people [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► don't read that it's total invisibility [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► you know it are the ones that do it like [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► I'll give you an example koala [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► austin-based company by the way if you [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► if you allow the Gowalla app like let's [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► say you check in somewhere and you have [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► it configured to tweet it for you which [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► you can toggle that on or off for [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► example you go and check in somewhere [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and you say what you're doing [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► it could say like I'm here doing this [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and then they'll have a link and really [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► you're just using that client to tweet [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► it out it's not it's not really doing it [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► independently for you you're activating [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► it you're causing that to happen same [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► thing with Instagram which you know you [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► don't you probably don't have because [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► you don't have an iPhone but the same [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► thing with Instagram if you take a [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► picture and you want to share it you can [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► choose to tweet it or push it up to [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► Flickr or whatever and on its own in the [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► chatroom point that out to that yeah [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► what they're what in theory what they're [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► saying is oh this is just so on our [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► website or through our service or [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► through our application you can send a [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► tweet but that's not how it works [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► authentication wise they can send tweets [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► as you whenever the hell they want yes [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► they could and that's that's it happen [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► all the time unlike your there playing [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► some iPhone game and then you go back to [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► your Twitter and you see this game [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► tweeted when I got a high score when I [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► picked up a powerup or whatever now I [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► look like a tool on Twitter right the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► implication though is that that the [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► services that I use to do it and I [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► really named the only two that I do use [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► to do it which is Instagram and and [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► guala those you're you're in control of [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► that and yeah I mean I realized that [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► they could they could do that in [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► dependently or autonomously but the [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► concept is that they won't and if they [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► did I think people would get pretty [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► upset but there are apps and services [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► that will do it like you said like oh I [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► you know I got a free man in this game I [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► was playing in it did now it's tweeting [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► about it or I discovered this a treasure [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► or whatever you know you're the gamer [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► whatever happens in a game you're and [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► you're supposed to just you're supposed [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► to trust the company's like well if you [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► don't like it that you know don't give [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► permission to companies that you don't [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► trust and you can revoke the permission [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► at any time on Twitter's websites the [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► magic of their other authentication [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► system but that doesn't reassure me at [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► all because even if I trust a company [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► now who knows what will happen down the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► road when they need to go for another [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► round of funding or figure out they [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► figure out they need to find a way to [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► make money or they get hacked or it just [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► you know it's just not going to happen [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► no one tweets as me but me and it annoys [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► me that I can't participate in whatever [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► the hot new game feature or whatever is [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► because they insist on having that [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► permission it would be nice of these [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► websites said if you don't want to use [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► the features where we tweet as you or [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► where you proxy tweet through our [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► service or whatever then you can still [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► join our application program or whatever [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► just don't give that particular [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► mission but they never offer that [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► because it seems that people don't care [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► Facebook has trained everybody to assume [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► they have no privacy and you know you [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► don't think even Facebook lets you lets [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► other companies write things as if they [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► were coming from you on your Facebook [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► that's another equivalent that people [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► probably wouldn't like but I know it [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► annoys me so that was my second mini [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► topic now I don't I don't know what your [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► big topic is for today so I can I can [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► only speculate that it's gonna be about [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► grills is it about clearly I heard I [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► heard the grill stuff going on there I [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► hate to disappoint you but I don't [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► really know too much about girls I have [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► a grill but I'm not a hardcore grilling [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► kind of guy it do you suppose that one [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► is the cause of the other that if you [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► had the right girl you might be I have [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► I've almost done the grilling thing like [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► because I know I know where that but [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► it's kind of like doing the camera thing [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► like it I know where the camera path [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► leads like I would like 5d mark ii and a [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► bunch of lenses and all but just I'm [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► just saying no I stick with my crappy [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► middle road cameras that I have because [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► I can't I can't do that so with the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► grilling thing many times I've almost [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► bought like a quote unquote real grill [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► and a chimney starter and the whole nine [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► yards [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► well I have I would like to introduce [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► the grilling topic as a mini topic and [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► then I have a second mini topic which [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► may in fact turn out to be your main [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► topic but I here's how much time do you [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► have today guess I got a long way in [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► topic unlimited unlimited time I I feel [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► like we should lay our vengeance down [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► upon those who who complain that the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► show is too long and go as long as we [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► feel like today but here's the thing [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► these are very short topics the first [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► one is it related to the grills Marco [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► co-host of build and analyze another [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► show on 5x5 TV that you should be [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► listening to if you don't shame on you I [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► just got a grill now that he's a [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► homeowner and living in Brooklyn he [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► needs to needed to get a grill so he [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► purchased a grill he didn't ask what [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► kind of grill in you know very much this [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► is just the way that he is he would [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► never ask a friend for advice before [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► doing just good go out on his own and do [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► it which is actually he'd been in [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► typical fashion he made it the right [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► choice [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► didn't need to ask you got a weber gas [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► grill so we're gonna be talking about [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► that but I wanted to know it so right [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► away we I can go into this conversation [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► with him knowing that your ought grills [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► are off your radar you don't even want [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► to talk about them you don't have an [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► opinion even I've got opinions but like [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► I don't have experience the grill I have [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► is just you know run-of-the-mill [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► plain boring gas grill and you know [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► since I own it of course have specific [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► complaints about my grill but but you [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► don't care or that how often do you use [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► your grill well the thing I care why use [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► it a lot during the summer as soon as [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► you know the the weather gets warm we [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► grill every week at least well if the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► weather is nice once or twice a week [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► sometimes more just because it's [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► convenient and fast it's good way to [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► make family dinners after work because [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► doesn't take that long to grill things [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► most of the time my grill not going [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► barbecuing I would say year-round John I [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► grill at a minimum once a day sometimes [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► more occasionally there'll be a day go [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► by where we don't grow but we grow [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► almost everything you're living in the [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► Sun Belt down there so course away with [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► that so the main complaint I have about [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► my grill are and about all grills I've [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► ever owned is durability and it's simply [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► because the ash that's produced from [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► cooking food if you don't clean it out [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► really well it mixes with water and I [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► believe it becomes a basic someone in [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► the chat room can correct me see their [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► acidity the way it eats away at the [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► metal of your grill so you have to be [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► really good about cleaning your grill [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► and not letting any moisture get in [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► otherwise the metal just turns to dust [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► and rust pretty quickly is it humid [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► right where you are [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► yes very humid and I've been trying to [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► keep this grill I've had it for years in [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► five years six years maybe you want [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► maybe seven years long time I've had [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► this grill and it's hanging in there the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► worst part of that is that when it comes [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► time to get replacement parts like if I [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► want to replace the little tube to the [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► gas comes out of a river because they're [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► rotting it's so hard to find them or the [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► little heat shield things that the [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► juices fall down on - you can buy [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► replacement parts you can find them [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► online but they're like ninety bucks a [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► pair so 180 bucks you know I spend a [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► hundred eighty bucks to repair my old [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► grill I'll just buy a new one for four [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► hundred or whatever so that's kind of [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► disappointing but it's that it's they're [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► expensive and it's hard to find [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► replacement parts and I think if I ever [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► did buy a super-expensive [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► like a good grill for eight hundred [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► dollars whatever they cost or something [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► I'm afraid that it would not last any [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► longer than the other kind of grill and [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► so I just think with the credit grill I [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► have and try to keep it up on his two [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► legs okay [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► well that this will be a preface then [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► because I'm anticipating the Marco want [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► to talk about the girl in the next show [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► so now we know where you stand and the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► second the second thing I wanted to talk [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► about is just to follow up kind of a [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► kind of a note about the MobileMe to [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► iCloud transition was that your main [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► topic it was not okay so here's the big [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► news Apple and all I'll add this link to [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► the show notes right now Apple came out [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► with a little announcement I believe it [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► just came out today at least I hadn't [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► seen it before today and I've been [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► looking for this kind of thing but it's [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► a frequently asked questions about the [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► MobileMe transition and iCloud and [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► they've got a neat little checklist [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► showing you which of the MobileMe [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► services will be available in iCloud and [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► they list mail check contacts check [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► calendar check bookmarks check Find My [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► iPhone check back to my Mac check web [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► publishing and they just have a little [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► grade - Gallery - and I disk - but then [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► they have another little paragraph [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► that's that's their graphic then below [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► they have a pair in addition the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► following new services will be available [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► in iCloud iTunes in the cloud photo [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► stream documents in the cloud automatic [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► downloads and purchase history for apps [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► and books backup and restore and then [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► they have a they get to the FAQ part of [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► this where they say oh can I keep my [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► mobile me address they say yes will I be [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► able to access iCloud services on the [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► web yes what happens to the I websites [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► that I've published and they say you can [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► continue through June 30th and and it [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► basically you know even after you move [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► to iCloud you can do some things they [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► have a whole article on it what happens [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► to pictures you can keep using it - June [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► 30th the blah blah blah but here's the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► interesting part this is a really [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► interesting part basically they're [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► keeping most of the services around up [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► until or in some cases even after you [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► switch just so that you can get to your [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► stuff but here's the interesting part [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► and this is the one that's getting all [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► the attention on Twitter this is the one [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► that everybody's up in arms about what [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► happens to the other sync services I use [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► for my Mac [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► and here's the answer sinking of Mack [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► Dashboard widgets keychains dock items [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► and System Preferences will not be part [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► of iCloud but will continue to be [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► available for your use till you move to [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► iCloud after you move to iCloud or after [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► June 30th 2012 whichever comes first [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► those sync services will no longer be [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► available yeah I don't think that's [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► shocking [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► no keep up because he changed that's [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► what people are very upset about I'm [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► sure they're upset about it but you [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► could have seen it coming because those [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► things you sync services which is an API [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► built on top of the MobileMe syncing [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► thing and they are trashing MobileMe [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► syncing things because it's because it's [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► bad basically that's you know even [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► though it works fine i sync my keychains [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► and all that stuff too even though it [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► seems to work fine that hole that model [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► of syncing things where sync services [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► does its little thing and if you have [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► conflicts yet presented with that dialog [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► and you pick good unit that's all out [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► there not preserving that they don't [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► want that syncing experience they don't [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► want anyone to ever see that sync dialog [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► box that asked you to resolve conflicts [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► it's just that whole night the mechanism [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► and the model of that syncing is out the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► window so the only way they could [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► possibly preserve this features is if [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► they had rewritten every single one of [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► the applications that uses them in Lion [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► to use some new equivalent now they [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► didn't even announce really a new [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► equivalent to those things in their [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► iCloud announcement and I think I can [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► tell you that without shocking anybody [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► that all those applications are not [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► massively rewritten try cloud in in Lion [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► so and they did they do very clearly say [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► web access to iCloud mail contacts [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► calendar and find my iPhone will be [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► available at icloud.com this fall right [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► yeah so the web services there will be [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► equivalents those because that's doable [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► but they can't give you a quilt install [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► that kind of sync service stuff until [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► they come up with a new set of API s [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► that runs on new servers and then [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► rewrite those applications to use the [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► new API on the new servers and they [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► haven't they simply haven't done that [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► yet so it doesn't mean they will never [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► be equivalents these features doesn't [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► mean I'm completely given up on syncing [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► they could have an equivalent feature [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► that instead of syncing individual [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► applications there'll be some other [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► mechanism like an entire mobile [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► directory or whatever but this is part [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► of the you know apples going through [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► transitions now the Final Cut Pro 10 [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► things a transition period we're leaving [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► big topic today and starting a new thing [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► right and and well this is this a very [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► similar scenario when you start the new [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► thing it's a period of time where the [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► new thing kind of sucks and it takes a [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► while to transition to it and that's [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► happening with iCloud we don't know if [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► my cloud is going to be better but we do [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► know that it's a pretty clean break from [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► the old thing and there's going to be a [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► painful period in the middle where stuff [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► doesn't work yeah it's it's kind of a [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► shame but I wasn't shocked by it and I [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► was happy to see that they did [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► apparently or do apparently have the web [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► apps ready or at least I think they're [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► gonna happen ready in time for the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► launch icloud.com [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► and I suspect those web apps will look [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► and feel a lot like the meek on web apps [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► do I don't know how much of that effort [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► they will reuse presumably some of it [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► but it's nice that they'll have them out [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► there on launch fact they don't have the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► sink service to stuff out an ami I'm [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► already back with your Jimbo tube [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► because your Jimbo uses sink services [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► and I use it with that and there's a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► hard deadline you know when when June [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► 30th or whatever comes along you're just [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► not going to work anymore with sink [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► services so those servers will be gone [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► I'm assuming so bare-bones sets a [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► scrambled updated or I just have to turn [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► off syncing start using Dropbox like you [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► do or something like that it's going to [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► run for a rough time are we going to [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► talk about your the Dropbox security [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► thing ah that's not your main topic what [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► is your main topic so my main topic I [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► thought today since this is what I've [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► been thinking about lately and doing is [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► I would talk about how I write I talk [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► about writing I like that because you [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► guys and it's been what I've been [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► embroiled in lately and it's vaguely [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► tech related cuz I write about [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► technology but since when do be followed [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► the rules of the podcast so closely we'd [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► already to talk about some tech topics [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► Aaron it doesn't matter look people are [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► going to either listen and love the show [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► or they're gonna not love it and not [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► listen and we can't worry about that we [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► just got to do our best that's right so [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► so spit should we do it should we do our [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► second sponsor and then you can just [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► have the rest of this just to grant sure [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► all right second sponsor this is a great [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► one simple casts there's the easiest way [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► to enjoy your favorite podcasts on your [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► iPhone it features a very [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► straightforward easy to use interface it [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► doesn't require a PhD in computer [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► science or physics to operate this thing [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► they have great modes continuous [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► playback mode basically turns your [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► iPhone into a personalized radio station [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► will play all your favorite shows [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► without you having to even touch the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► device you don't have to go in like make [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► playlists it just knows it figures it [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► all out and you can do this all with [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► airplay too which is great and it has [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► intelligent defaults it makes a file [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► management a breeze you don't have to [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► worry about [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► downloads or files or space it just it [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► handles all of this stuff and then it [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► has inline show notes it has saved to [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► Instapaper support at FEMA belen tur [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► faces I mean it's it's awesome and they [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► even added a new feature now that I [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► don't know if I'm supposed to talk about [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► this but there's a Dan Benjamin feature [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that's available I'm not making this up [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it's available in the preferences that [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► allows you to prevent the use of two [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► times speed should you actually [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► accidentally want to do that I don't [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► know if he's going to have this default [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► it to on but shame on you if you listen [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► to this thing at double speed and this [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► app is actually aware of that and will [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► can disable that should you lest you [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► want make the mistake of trying to do [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► that this is real so that's our second [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► sponsor simple casts and you can get [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► that in the iTunes App Store just go [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► there and search for simple casts or [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► follow the link for five-by-five that TV [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► off this episode I'm still listening to [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► my podcast on an old iPod shuffle in a [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► dark ages but it doesn't have double [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► speed does it I don't think I could [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► handle a lot of shows I listen to a [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► double speed no who can who would want [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► to why would you want to do somebody if [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► you're listening to a show with somebody [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► talks really slowly then double speed [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► can work because it just makes them [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► sound like a New Yorker but if you're [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► listening to someone who already speaks [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► quickly and mumbles the words like I do [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► you're gonna miss half I say if you try [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► to double speed it but you but see [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► here's maybe that's the feature the [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► artists intent and in this case we are [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► the artists right the intent is to [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► listen to it at the speed that we're [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► speaking it's it you wouldn't you [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► wouldn't go and [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► see a great movie and just put it on [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► fast-forward and try to read the [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► subtitles I mean that you wouldn't get [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► anything out of it it's like reading the [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► cliff notes instead of a great novel why [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► would you do that you're not really [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► reading not on them why don't you send a [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► typewritten letter to everybody [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► suggesting a an allowable listening [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► speed range sort of like you can go from [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► 1.0 to 1.77 something like that I'm well [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► as long as my typewriter - typing [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► surrender said the creator said it's [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► okay to have a range so if I have to [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► show this at this listen do it at the [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► speed okay if I if my typewriter could [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► type in feature I would do it yeah you [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► got a magic typewriter now it's called [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► the computer well looking at it all [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► right wig topic writing your writing [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► process you are a writer people don't [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► know this you have a degree in social [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► psychology is that your job [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► no so this there was a presentation at [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► South by Southwest 2011 featuring Jim [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► coudl Michael lop and our friend John [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► Gruber of the talk show and their [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► presentation was called twelve slides [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► three writers although I think they [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► changed the twelve to fifteen or [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► something and it was the same set of [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► slides each slide had a just a simple [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► word or phrase on it and then each of [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► the three presenters went through the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► same slide deck and used that as a [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► jumping-off point to talk about how they [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► write and so I'm going to do exactly the [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► same thing a hundred percent rip off [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► their thing and I actually got [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► permission from John Gruber about this [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► he gave permission on behalf of the [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► others this is a case where I did see [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► the presentation that I'm about to rip [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► off and I'm like good John I'm like [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► John's uh was a web stock yes the web [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► stock thing which I saw after going [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► podcast to cover much of the same ground [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► this for so this is all fully approved [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► but it is an interesting way to talk [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► about writing and then you can compare [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► and contrast what all four of us say if [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► you would like to go back to the deck [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► portion this is not an audio visual [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► medium so you don't see the slides by [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► each slide was just really black with [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► white text with a word or a phrase on [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► and I will read the word or the phrase [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that comes in front of it only preface [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► this by saying I am NOT despite your a [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► little intro there a trained writer my [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► degree is in engineering [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► did you guess that listeners and [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► computer engineering specifically which [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► is basically just electoral engineering [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► with some CS courses but there is not a [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► lot of literature or writing in that [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► curriculum and you have a minor in [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► social psychology [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► I have no minor it's just the computer [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► engineering under present and I'm also [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► going to just explain how how I work now [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► maybe you can extract some tips tips and [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► tricks Merlin Mann style from this that [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► will you'll be able to apply to your own [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► life your own writing but maybe not I'm [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► not holding this up as this is the way [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► you should write I'm just going to say [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► this is how I work and that was pretty [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► much the premise of the presentation as [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► well each person described how they [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► worked not prescribing to everybody this [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► is how you should write and this is how [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► writing is done so that first slide that [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► little section there the first slide set [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► forward and we just did that [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that was my forward talking about the [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► source here and where I'm coming from [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► the next slide is giving yourself an [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► assignment so this is sort of the [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► Stephen King where do you get your ideas [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► kind of question because that's [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► especially for me it was doing this as a [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► freelancer this is the question what how [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► do you decide what you're going to write [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► about because you don't have to write [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► about anything it's not your job to do [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► anything I'm not a reporter anything so [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► for me what I usually want to have is [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► some sort of angle that that's fresh [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► that I haven't read somewhere else [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► already because I don't have I don't [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► have a thing that I have to do I'm not [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► compelled to cover any particular news [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► story or talk about any particular thing [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► simply because it's not my job so I only [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► want to talk about something I think I [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► have something to add I'm adding a new [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► voice and I'm not just like an echo of [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► everything else that's out there this [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► was a lot different years and years ago [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► when they were very few people writing [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► about the same things that I'm [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► interested in now there are tons of [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► people doing it and they're doing it for [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► a living and they're doing a better job [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► than I do so that's part of why I don't [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► write as much in fact there was a reddit [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► thread asking questions about our stack [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► nigga I should put them the show notes [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► where somebody asked why I didn't write [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► as much anymore and I had a big answer [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► that I put in there that I'll link to so [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► so it basically depends on me not having [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► read the issues that are the angle that [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► I'm about to write about and that [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► doesn't mean that my angle is original [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► it just means that I haven't read about [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► it and this all depends on who I'm [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► reading so it's much safer for me to [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► stick the topics that I actually read a [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► lot about because of it's like a Mac [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► topic chances are good that I've read [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► every Mac side of note in my news feeds [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► or whatever and I'm on top of what [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► people are saying but if I decide to [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► write about some completely unrelated [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► topic there's a much greater danger that [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► I'm going to say something that I think [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► is original but this ridiculous and [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► trite and it's been said a thousand [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► times before and I'm gonna you know not [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► going to say anything new and I'm going [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► to say something is incorrect much much [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► greater chance of that you see the exact [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► same thing happening on this podcast in [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► fact every time we talk about topics [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► that I'm not an expert in I end up [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► saying something stupid or incorrect ah [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► doesn't stop me from doing it but you [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► know that's what happens of course the [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► difference on the podcast is I'm much [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► more willing to just be us about stuff [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► that I don't know about as long as I [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► preface it was saying that I'm just [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► talking out of my butt [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► I don't mind it too much but when you [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► write stuff down it seems more permanent [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► to me and I want to get it right so I [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► will try not to write about topics that [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► I don't know too much about I don't know [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► why that is [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► I guess recorded audio is just as [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► permanent as written word it seems like [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► it's harder to search for you know like [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► if you can google for something I said [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► years ago and you'll find a hit because [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► it's on a website or in our Korg but if [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► you try to google for something I said [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► in a podcast you're not going to find it [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► but maybe this is a foolish choice and [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► my grandkids will have complete access [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► to technology it transcribes audio feeds [TS]