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00:07:17 ◼ ► really want to go there and not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► think about anything except for enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► the show going to the sessions and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/441">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► stuff for my review yeah they all say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/444">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► what I feel you can't say which is shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/450">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► on them I would not say shame one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► course you would not I'll be glad to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► the people who are going out there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► ours and I think we only go in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► they're staying for that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/463">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► they even got tickets to the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► conference something good is going as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/466">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► press to the keynote those people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/467">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► be working much harder than I am for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/470">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► those three days I'll just be smiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/471">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► and enjoying and they will be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/474">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► typing furiously and filing reports and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► stuff like that's all I'm glad that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/477">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► have the real professionals doing it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/479">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► ok nice disclaimer we have some a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► follow-up how do you know you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► what we have I'm just predicting you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► right I don't know but I predict it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/490">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► predict correctly amazing ah yeah so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/492">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► little bit of follow-up Twitter we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/496">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► talked a little bit about a couple shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/500">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► ago and then the last show we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► about Twitter annotations which were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► this way you can attach arbitrary extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/506">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► closely enough I looked at it and I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► the date and it was like from May 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► and I didn't scrutinize it to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► they announced it in May 2010 but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► didn't actually release it so someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► wrote in to tell me that yeah that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► great presentation way back then but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/527">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► it's still not something that people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► same day I think this was a d9 or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► it was someplace else Twitter actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► did announce thing called tweet entities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/535">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► or Twitter entities which seemed like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/536">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► reincarnation of this annotations thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/539">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► it's just basically another way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► attach things out-of-band to tweets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► if you're using the REST API you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/547">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► ask for it explicitly blessing include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► entities and it will spit you back the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/550">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► automatically include with the streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/554">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► API it's not clear from the very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/555">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► page that I've got linked in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/559">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► notes about this tweet entities thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► everybody can use when they send a tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/565">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► or is it just something that Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► sends back reading the page makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► sound like Twitter saying hey don't try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► parsing the URLs out of these tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/572">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► we'll send you back these entities which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► have the information it's already parsed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► out of it but does that mean the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► who sent the tweet sent the entities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► with it or does Twitter too server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► parsing out the stuff using their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/583">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► you know URL parsing stuff or maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► only works with official try don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/587">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► don't know the entire deal is but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/588">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► it's clear that there's some forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/589">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► motion in the realm of out-of-band data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► on Twitter it's all still kind of tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► up within the the notion of does Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► control the platform to the degree where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► like it are is it only going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► clients can use and third-party clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► are out of luck because Twitter doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► really care about them anymore you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► announcement now I start thinking well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► is this an API thing that is only useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/616">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► to Twitter's official clients or are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/619">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► third-party clients you know it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► for a company that's been so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► trying to pull all the clients into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► itself and to take control that to also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/629">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► be making API announcements because API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► strikes me is something that's for third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► party developers you know so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► sure what's going on there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► related to that that came up just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► little bit before we started recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► was this tweet Mark Steyn did you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► that go by I did and I was just looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► at that but you know I haven't had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► much time to delve into it what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► story on that yeah this is a mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► Reese who does tweet library yeah which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/658">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► tweets while he's also come out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/663">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► thing called tweet marks which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► service for keeping the year last read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► status in sync between different clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/671">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► so it's like a web service where other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► I'm assuming other Twitter clients would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► use it and they would basically use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► as a big bucket to store how far along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► the time line they are so if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► three clients that I'll use tweet marks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/683">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► anytime you pulled up a client it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► be synced to whatever you last read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/686">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► whatever your last read tweet was across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/687">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► any of the clients where you read it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► it boggles my mind that this service is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/692">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► not part of Twitter you know as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► seems like something like what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/695">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► is what are doing if it's not providing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/696">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► this service they they provide an API to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► get tweets they know people have clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► to read them they don't think the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/702">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► are going to keep their clients in sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► maybe they just think it's like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/705">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► know they can everyone has to run their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/706">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► own server to keep track of how far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/708">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► they're along they're on the timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/709">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► well this is least trying to centralize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► it a little bit where every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► Twitter client doesn't have to do its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► own service they could all use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/717">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► tweet marks thing yeah yeah but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► okay well I was just going to say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/721">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► problem with services like this which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/722">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► are really smart I mean this is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► great idea this is something that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► definitively great is that at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/730">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► time that is great it seems like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► there would be I would think that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► would hesitate as a developer as an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/738">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► hesitate to use it simply because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► know that as soon as they implemented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► Twitter could change it or come out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/749">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► their own version of the service or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/751">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► what's you know is it something you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► to use in the mean time and hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► that the Twitter doesn't wind up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/757">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► doing it or changing the architecture in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/760">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► some way well it has the advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► coming from a third party so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► unless you think mantains gonna screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► you which I don't think he's gon do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/770">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► know like Twitter can't outlaw this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► because as far as Twitter is concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/774">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► this is a completely separate service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/775">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► it's just like storing and retrieving a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/777">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► number for you there's nothing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► Twitter related to it they can't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/780">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► can't illegally or technologically stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► it from working and as long as you trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► me and matthan to keep the servers up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/786">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► and running you know then you're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► with it no matter what Twitter does even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/790">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► a Twitter introduces the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/792">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► service well then you have you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► ample time to migrate off of tweet marks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► Twitter provides it's a great idea it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► a great and it is it's like it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► those perfect services that you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► wonder why why wouldn't Witter be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► this and now you don't you have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/805">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► perspective I would be afraid that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► you do all this work on this service and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► you get some people using it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/812">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► you know Twitter just comes out and says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► well we did that for you you can get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► service instead and then you kind of do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► feel like you're wasted your time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/818">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► maybe he just needs to for his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/819">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► applications and out of the goodness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/820">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► his heart he's opening it up yeah so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► don't know I just just just I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► learned of this like you know an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/827">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► ago so I really don't know much about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► he's right here in Austin - that guy man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► you should get him on the show I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► him pretty well get him live in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► studio uh yeah I I debate about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► because a few years ago he said that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► would send me a firewire cable and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► never did he never made good on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► he promised he would do it and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► sorry's on your enemies list now well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► mean there's different I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► feel like I have any enemies or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► but he's certainly not on he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► have a star next to his name and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► that way all right you do though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► have a big stevarino star new gold star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/859">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► you know speaking of tweet library man's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► service that you feel like Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► should provide like why would I need an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/868">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► application to keep archived versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► right eats well it's because Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/871">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► lets the tweets fall off the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► universe after like a couple of days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► this this came up on Twitter today when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► and Willie and not Abe Williams and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► mean it was it was a Dorsey who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► talking Jack Dorsey some someone from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► talking and I believe also at d9 and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► was reading people's tweets from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► presentation and I think was Joshua [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► Topolsky if I'm saying his name right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► yeah brought up the fact that Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► search doesn't go back past five days or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► so and therefore it's almost useless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► why where are old tweets basically was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► was his his question and I've had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► same thoughts they like you know you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► do all this you spend all this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/911">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► tweeting and then you can't get to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/912">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► old tweets unless you remember the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► URL or you know you use Google or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/915">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► other thing to find them I mean such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► way that they don't exist though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► it's not actually correct to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► they're not actually accessible though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/925">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► like an example of this is if you favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/930">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► to tweet you can go and you'll always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► see that in your favorites up to a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► right or does it go away did those go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► away now - I think that if you had if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/940">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► you knew like the whatever that each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/943">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► tweet has an ID if you knew the big long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► ID of a tweet that you made in 2007 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► 2008 I think you could salt the page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► get it but the thing is if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► remember the exact ID because with AK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► memorizes their tweet IDs if some tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► you made last year you're like what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► that tweet that I made about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/959">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► car distributor caps and you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► mentioned distributor cap in there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/963">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► probably unlikely to be you know see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► Syracuse a register beuter cap and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► you'll find no match it's because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/970">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► search only goes back like five or ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► days it's just useless and so it's left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► to everybody else to sort of archive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► their own tweets so that's why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/977">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► tweet library app exists because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► sick of that obviously he was sick of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/981">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► not being able to keep track of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► tweets he didn't want a favorite every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/984">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► single tweet that he wanted to otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/985">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► your favoriting every other thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► know sometimes you just want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/988">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► to to find it later I have the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► experience earlier this week where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► somebody mentioned to tip about how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/992">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► get your iOS device syncing with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► portable like if you're going to WABC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► for example and you write you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► to bring your ipod but you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► bring your laptop but normally you sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► with your Mac Pro which is my case here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► he said oh someone said you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► copy this file over to the new computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► and then your iOS device will sync with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► is if it has always been singing with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and I remember seeing that tweak go by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► and going I should like star that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► paste it into your Jimbo or do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1018">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► with it so I remembered I'm like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► sure I'll be able to look it up when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► so when the time came I could remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► who was from and I couldn't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► what day it was on and like I'll go I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► had to go backwards through my timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► you know on that page where you scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► down with the infinite scroll on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► Twitter website and it loads more tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► and they scroll down that loads more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► tweets interestingly on Safari by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► way if you do a search term like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► know command F and you type a search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► term and this is okay not found if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► scroll to the bottom of the page and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► does the infinite scroll thing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► reinvent it will not find that word even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► if that word just appeared on the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► below it I'm assuming this is far e bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► where it doesn't notice that your dom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► nodes have been added and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► search them so you have to stop cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► the search just miss the little short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► search sheet bring it back up type the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► and of course I tried the Twitter search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► looking for the keywords and either had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► fallen off the end or I couldn't find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► as I couldn't remember who was from it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► just my best bet for a searching quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► these days is to go to you know Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► on type site : twitter.com and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► words I'm looking for and sometimes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► URL : the person's username that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► your only hope but yeah so that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► tweet LibraryThing is another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► a service that the Twitter should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► providing by all rights but is not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► it kind of reminds me of the things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 and even classic Mac OS that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► you thought Apple should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► providing but were provided for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► and years by third parties until Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► finally woke up and folded them in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► going all the way back to like the clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► in the menu bar Apple didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► provide that that had to be a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► party app and they said all right fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► we'll put clocking in the new bars like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► finally geez you know how many years did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► that take or window shade for example I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► which I believe me I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► know who's going to correct me we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► have a chat room here we're not live but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► right I believe window shade was was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► third party first I don't know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► getting to window shade was a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► party tool absolutely and then well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► know what I think it may have been it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► may have been a feature in OS light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► eight and then it was gone and then then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► it became a third party could that oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► yeah no it was a Mac OS 10 of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► there was never window shade and it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► to be third a loss without this chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► room yeah was it my insanity but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► talking about like before it appeared in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► you know how like originally yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► don't remember but anyway they're been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► all sorts of features that the were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► third one of that right there is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► result in like 50 emails that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► all right and actually I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► anyone is old enough to remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► any better because anyone who was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► is going to be our age and not remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► it well and anyone else it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► young people going to go to Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► and try to look it up feel free but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► anyway there's another example of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► platform owner not implementing features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► that everyone else thinks are obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► and third parties I guess started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► parties get the advantage of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► filling that void for a period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► like if you're looking to archive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► tweet-tweet library is you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► chance permanent to have a business off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► of something that Twitter is not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► but on the other hand you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► waiting for that day where the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► owner says yeah we're folding that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► so listen I I actually found window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► shade Wikipedia entry it debuted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► system 7.5 but disappeared in Mac OS 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► when the features implemented as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► the appearance manager a widget was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► added to the title bar to reproduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► disappeared at the release of Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► to the dock or moved aside with expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► Apple decided there was no more use for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► it however served several third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► utilities such as window shade 10 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► unscented he's application enhancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► software have brought the concept window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► shape back to the Mac OS it is since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► reappeared as a commercial hack c and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► offers other features like translucent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► windows and minimize in place it stems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► itself stems from a third party utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► originally written for system 6.0 point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► 7 by Rob Johnston there you go it's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► Apple purchased the rights to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► software from the developer for use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► system 7.5 that's what I think a needy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► man just wants to get acquired by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► Twitter that's his whole thing my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► man's memory is not entirely failing me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► yeah I actually just got off window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► shade took me a long time to get off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► that many years into is what almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► eight nine ten years into me using Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► OS 10 and I finally had finally forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► myself to give it up not because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► didn't like it anymore but just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► I it was the last thing on my system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► that was running a you know in-memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► patcher thing well second to last I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► still running saft and Safari because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► they refused to restore the previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► open windows when I launched it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► extension now yeah I know I I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► prefer after a couple other reasons but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► yeah the shaft uses symbol which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► similar in memory patching thing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► window shade was the last one that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► using that was system-wide and I finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► figured well if I can wean myself off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► that then I could just remove that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► entire framework and I did it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► made me kind of sad I'm so glad those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► guys made that though because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► know how I would have lived without it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► occasionally I click double click a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► title bar and then quietly frown as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► window minimizes to the dock and our oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► it's not there anymore do you are you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► minimize when to almost never minimize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► I used to window shade windows a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► sometimes just to peek behind them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► sometimes just to get them mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► invisible but still be able to find them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► quickly but I since I don't have window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► shade anymore yeah I will hide others or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► option-click away from a nap I still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► classic window layering by the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► don't think many people still do that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► even know what it is but that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► idea that when you click on any window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► from an application all the windows of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► that application come to the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► that's the way it used to work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► classic Mac OS and sort of my habits are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► predicated on that ability I always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► like one window of an application poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► out from behind the clutter so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► quickly get to you know for example my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► terminal windows this is usually one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► window that is skinny and to the far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► right of the screen so I can just poke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1378">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► it's a little edge and it will come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► it will bring not just that terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► window forward but all of them forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► and I have a modifier clicking Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► lets me override that reverse D behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► that's volta Mac OS 10 without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► extensions or anything is it when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► click on a single window just a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► window comes to the front and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► I suppose I could train myself to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► but I would probably slowly go insane I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► don't know you can click the dock the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► application come to the forwards just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► it's just a question of habits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► muscle memory and I'm not you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► have workflows man and they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► honed over what 20 years now it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► hard to to break them is is this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► you is this because you like to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► you don't like to command tab my command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► tab I can tab but mostly when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► bouncing back and forth between two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► applications you know ABA be back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► forth like that and if both of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► applications dominate the screen mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► or if I'm mostly on the keyboard between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► the two applications I don't want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► over to the mouse but I do work when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► arrange things on the screen I have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► have arrangements of windows like I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► a certain setup of how my terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► windows go and then I have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► setup of how my text editor windows go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► all the text editor windows I have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► least control over because once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► like 100 of those open which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► unheard of for me you arrange them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► goes out the window and you're basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► pulling from window list which isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► that bad but for the most applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► I am application my terminal windows IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► windows and web browsers they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► positioned on screen in their own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► regions and have their own little growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► patterns that I can form to so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► find quickly the application I want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► hit really big targets to bring into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► front without having to go down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► dock and hit the little icon or pick it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► out of the 18 other blue circles that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► are down there or I have used drag think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► 2 or even just go over the drag thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► dock and pick it out it's much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► for you know almost unconscious for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► to just you know a push to the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► middle and clicked on the corner of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► terminal and oh that's pushing out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► side to bring all my terminals forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and then quickly know where the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► this machine's terminal window is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► and this machine terminal window is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► below it like it is it depends on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► where I'm working what the machines are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► that I frequently have you know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► eventually get homes for things and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► save those window sets in terminal so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► for example at work when I launch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► I had a keystroke that brings up my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► default set of windows and I know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► by looking at the the size and position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► of the window that's this host that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► that host that's the logs of this host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► that's my root window and this machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► that's you know and it makes it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► easier and never have to read the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► bars in fact all my title bars used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► just say terminal because I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► rely on them to tell me where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► windows were are rely on you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► position shape of the window and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► once I go into ad I would look at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► accidentally typing the wrong place oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► yeah know how we got onto that from well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► from one's a great it's a great topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► yeah so and and the final final bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► this is not really I guess this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► follow-up here and say that's the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► the follow-up and okay as for topics for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► the show I've been spending all my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► worrying about getting ready for WotC so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► this is the title of the show will be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► got nothing because I have no prepared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► topic for the show whatsoever but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► doesn't mean there's that doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► there's not things to talk about and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► have some suggestions but I'm sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► have some discussions too so why I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► like let's start with you I mean really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► I see this is very much a show driven by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► your creative intellect so I'd like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► first hear your suggestions and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► I have some as a fallback if those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► should be subpar alright so just before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► we came on the air like literally just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► before I saw this announcement on daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► fireball that brent simmons has sold net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► yeah and that seems like a story to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► worth talking about the only other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► I think to think about was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► obviously assuming record next week will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► be will be recording talking about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► happened to every DC because that'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► kind of be dominating the news I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► and even though you will talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► exactly the same things with Gruber and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► Marco it doesn't matter I think I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► going to talk about them too because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► definitely do that I feel like maybe if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► this is the unfortunate thing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► timing of my move and and the slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► processes of us finding a new place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► be because if I had my full set up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► would say well why don't we do and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► just going to tell everyone that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► would have been possible because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► no way it's simply impossible now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► I'll just tell everyone how great it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► would have been it would have been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► get everybody together you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► Marco and Gruber and maybe even a fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► person to all uh be on the show and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► would be a special show we just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► some kind of special show and all just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► everybody contributing talk and argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► and reminisce about the wonderful time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► we can't do it yeah there'll be time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► that in the future and I'm sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► without you yeah that'd be great nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► Ellen recording at hopefully yeah nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► recording you guys all sitting together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► at you know it's some smoky bar in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► smoke the bowels of San Francisco yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► but uh but for this week you I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► talked about what could be happening WTC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► but I think that's so worth talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► so I was like those are my two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► that what might happen at WotC and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► news bar being sold and you can what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► well actually I I had seen this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► announcement interview rather here that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► I haven't had a chance to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► because it's it's quite long and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► knew that people still did interviews in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► text form like this I it's 2011 and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► there are still text interviews it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► some people who type things in and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► frequently joke that your stuff is long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► and very very verbose John Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► occasionally will do quite the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► thing 5,000 words for a first single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► topic was my joke I used to have for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► but this is this is like the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► in-depth interview about this and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► big deal it's a big deal in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► community the long shortened the tall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► it is net newswire as you mentioned it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► it's been acquired in in its entirety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► from black by black pixel which is run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► by Daniel Pascoe friend of mine and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► probably safe to say I guess I can I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► this the black pixel are the guys I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► working with to develop the 5x5 app they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► already said that themselves in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► interview if you're on that yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► haven't gotten more than about a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► in before we had to start the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► so it I guess I can say it but yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► so they're they're great guys I've met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► Daniel back at a railsconf a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► years ago when I was speaking he came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► to me at the end I'd never met him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► person he's a great guy and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► based out of Seattle and I believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► Brent Simmons is also based out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► Seattle as well so it makes sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► but it's interesting because this Abnett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► newswire for me was the very very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► RSS news reader that I ever used and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► know it'll be in good hands with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► guys but it's interesting because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► always the fear when something gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► acquired that they're going to shut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► down and it it sounds like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► that's not the plan it sounds like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► is very much a living breathing app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► will continue to be so yeah they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► going to shut it down I can assure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► yeah having only read half of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► interview you know about this net net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► news of our acquisition I'm like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► actually in as I usually do turn this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► around and make it about me that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► thing about net newswire I'm I'm a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► time net news of our user I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► using it since not since version one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► buttons close to it and I very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► quickly a convert right to net newswire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► computer it changed like the ratio of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► which applications that I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► at certain points I was doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► majority of my reading of webpages in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► the browser that was embedded in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► news water that may still actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► the case I'm not sure I just lived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► the thing and I love the synchronization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► between machines and I loves it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► being able to queue up stuff in tabs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► they're not really tabs but you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► could open a web page in the embedded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► net newswire browser and when you went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► onto another machine and opened that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► news wire that opened web page would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► still be in there in this little side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► scrolling list of all the little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► you had open so before Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► newswire was my read later button I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► would just you know I would go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► my feeds using using keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► which I always thought of as the tin /rn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► keyboard shortcuts I don't know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► listening this remembers with ten nrn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► were but they were terminal-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► cursive you know character based I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► know how you would describe to laypeople [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► applications they use from within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► terminal window at a shell promptly use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► the cursors library or whatever to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► display text and they had kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► command keys that were like VI where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► there was no modifier keystroke you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► would just type you know K to mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► things as read not command K but just K [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► or spacebar to go to the next unread you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► know and so on and so forth well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► whose wire whether intentionally or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► then we actually know if Brent was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► basing his keyboard shortcuts often in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► RM but it sure seems like he was because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► there were a lot of the same shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► so I had used you know tin is my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► using that news reader way back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► day it was nice smooth transition into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► this gorgeous GUI Mac OS 10 application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► they used the exact same keystrokes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► the other one that I loved about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► this thing is that you could move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► selection in that newswire between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► panes using the arrow keys it just felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► so natural no modifier keys so I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► read the news you know read RSS feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► look at the summaries and look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► articles and queue them up for later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► reading all from the keyboard all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► simple single keystrokes you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► just without having to touch the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► and with the great experience overall so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► that totally changed the way I do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► and I still you know I mean if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► at my doc right now in Andrews wire is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► running it is running and every machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► that I use and I've just been using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► for years but the thing about it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► well first of all I get frustrated when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► an application that rely upon doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► get updated as frequently as I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► Brent talks about the struggles he's had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► having you know too many irons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► fire at the same time the iOS version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► the iPad version revising the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► version it was just becoming too much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► do all that and in fact even before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► when brent was just trying to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► newswire from mac himself just a support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► load alone of having this tremendously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► popular application was overwhelming him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► and that's why he went over to news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► Gator and got acquired by them and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► to get some help on the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► right and so there was you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► helps get get a speed under a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► but then when the Iowas came out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► just you know spread him even thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► now going around going back in time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► a second you're talking about that news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► gator acquisition i interviewed him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► about that years ago when it happened on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► my one of my first podcasts which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► called the hive illogic radio show he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► was nice enough to come on that and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► talk to me about it and it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► interesting because at that time I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► he that he there was really not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► competition in that space as far as RSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► news reading it wasn't built into Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► competitors if you wanted an RSS reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► on the Mac that was it I think it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► alternative applications but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► remember that error that they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► actually listened to net newswire was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► the most popular news reader in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► world not the most popular news reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► on the Macintosh in the world and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► was at a time when when the world was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► like 95 96 percent Windows computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► instead of whatever it is nine and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► you know it was just an unbelievably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► successful application and I still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► it with all the Mac news readers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► are out there that news wire is at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► the best suited to my needs for news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► reading and you know the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► Safari does RSS reading I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► that is a factor at all in the success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► or failure in news wire but on the iOS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► would say that net newswire is Iowa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► versions are not the dominant news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► reader to that platform there are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► of really good news readers for iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► the competition is much stiffer there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► than it is in the Mac I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► should because the popularity of iOS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► the gold rush was just you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► where the the great developers are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► days but of course Brent's there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► his versions as well but more recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► if you read about an interview that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► newsreaders or not pulled out the guts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► left the guts alone and made a new core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► code base for all of his news readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► and he released that news wire for light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► I believe is the name of the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► which is the first product built on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► new unified code base for the underlying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► stuff for you know getting feeds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► managing threads and processing XML and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► all that stuff and then he was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► an interview he talks about how he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► looking at how much work it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► even though he's finally got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► unified code base how much work it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► be to rebuild his existing applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► on top of this new code base now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► thing about net newswire for light is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► that it does much much less than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► current version of net newswire for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► Mac that I'm using which is three points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► which is fine because it's got light in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► the name right but the my big fear was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► that the new version of net newswire for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► the Mac based on this unified codebase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► will also do much less than the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► version of the newswire simply because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► Brent was always trying to trim features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► that either don't get used anymore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► are too much of a pain to maintain you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► know it's a cost benefit trade-off where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► you want to get like the the features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► that 80% of the people use you know 80% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► of the time and then everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► gets cut because you don't want to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► time and energy maintaining a feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► user-based used but if you're in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► tiny fraction of the user base which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► most decidedly am for a wide range of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► applications including that newswire I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► was afraid that the application that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► came to know was going to be not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► dumbed down because that makes it sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► like is something you know it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► good to have it better to have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► simplified it usually is better to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► simplified but I was afraid that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► going to move farther away from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► specific tastes and needs as it moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► more towards the mainstream you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► something that's happened a lot in iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► where iOS encourages you to simplify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► successful with your application but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► right as a your quote-unquote power user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► from you know to use that term from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► 80s and 90s I like the one that had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► specifically I want my specific bells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► and whistles that I'm perfectly happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► for you to cut 90% of the features as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► long as the 10% is remaining is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► exact 10% that I use and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► that's never going to happen so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► a specific case of a more general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► come to like take this perverse sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► sense of ownership over the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► features in the application that you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► and if a developer is conscientious and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► developing the application actively it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► it's incumbent upon them to probably at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► some point cut your pet features simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► because applications evolve the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► base evolves and like what is accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► so you may be married to a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► esoteric feature and think this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► whole reason I use this application how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► can you remove it well if you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► only one of you know 0.02 percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► people who use this app who rely on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► feature the developer should cut it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► you're just out of luck but it's sad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► me when that happens so I was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► afraid that my my net newswire my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► application that I know and love would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► change in ways that what I would find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► upsetting and I'd be like Waldo had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► find another news reader that I like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► can I adapt to this new way using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► news bar it's just it's stressful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► upsetting mmm the best applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► this is a difficult balancing act so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► best applications that do this like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► don't really know what the success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► formula is but when I think about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► are applications that I've used for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► long time that have evolved in ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► if I look at what the applications like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► today and look at what it was like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► they're wildly different but in no point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► during that period of time that I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► like the rug was pulled out from under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► that's a difficult thing to pull off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► few that I can think of our probably BB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► edit because BB etic is just radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► change from what it was you know in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► 1992 or whatever but at every point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► along the way they've cut deprecated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► features slowly giving you replacements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► for features and just slowly like herded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► the user base along even as they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► mercilessly removed code remove co2 move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► code that change has actually been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► accelerating lately and at some points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► I've been a little bit uncomfortable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► for the most part they have managed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► transition with this long gradual slope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► of of deprecation and replacement that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► think has been very successful and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► other one I would say this is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► bad for me to say because I'm not a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► an expert user of this application by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► longshot but I have been using it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► you know since version 1 point out is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► it's very different today than it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► and you know very I know whatever right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► introduction of layers in 3.0 I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► was there was every every time they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► a new version it's not a radical deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► over the Nexus like we're refining we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► consolidating we're refining refining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► professional tool like that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► way you want to do it so that at no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► point do graphic designers say load up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► new version of Photoshop and say I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► find anything I have no idea how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► works now you know designers and anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► whose uses a program every day for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► will get pissed when like they change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► the keyboard shortcut for you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► shouldn't anymore like it'll little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► things were perturbed them but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► most part it's not like they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► relearn a new application so that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► are two examples of applications I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► have evolved in a careful cautious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► manner but that's not always easy to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► and in fact it's it's harder because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► like every feature that you wish you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► could get rid of you have to support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► longer than you think you should just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► you you bring everybody along with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► right and the final example give this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► a this will be a good test to see if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► can do it the other way successfully in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► a big application is Final Cut Pro 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► which does look like a pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► radical reinvention of the way people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► who use Final Cut do their work it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► it's akin to the kind of the the 2.5 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► 3 point no conversion Photoshop where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► they said you know channels are out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► layers are in and here's this new layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► palette and in both cases I think after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► people get over the initial shock like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► of layers they said well you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► Photoshop windows open and doing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► chops my channel operations but I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► this layer thing for a week and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► what it's better and you know period end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► of story you know yes it was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► radical change but layers are good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► think the the graphic design community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► pretty much agreed Photoshop plus layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► equals good and got over their problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► now Final Cut Pro 10 is it good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► is it better enough than the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► version of Final Cut so that the the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► bump in the road for people smoothness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► of using their you know final cut on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► their color coded keyboards with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► keyboard commands exactly the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► you know they know exactly how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► Final Cut Pro the current version that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► is ten comes along everything's moved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► different places and maybe they change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► keyboard commands everything works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2518">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► definitely the timeline is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► like is that going to be better enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► that people's cranking this over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► we'll be overcome I think it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► view I think from the little demo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► again speaking as someone who does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► edit video for a living what the hell do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► I know but from the demo that they gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► which was an amazingly good demo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► from the tiny bit of video editing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► I have done I can say that Final Cut Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► 10 looks like the advantages of working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► in this new way will quickly overwhelm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► the disadvantages modulo the stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► question reliability question so-and-so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► is always in there like if if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► program crashes more if I can't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► practical concerns assuming they get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► the practical things right and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► real problem is adapting to this new UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► and workflow I think it will work so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► getting all way back to the newswire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► finally my hope for the acquisition not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► that anyone cares what the hell my help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► is but my hope as much as that counts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► for anybody involved in this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► this means that net newswire the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► version of that newswire will still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► all the features that I like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► will still will will nestled into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► workflow nicely maybe there'll be a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► things I want to adapt to but it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► still be like that power users tool you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► know the way I use it or at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► three features that I want to stay there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► will still be there and and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► only other thing I would say is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► think in acquisition if the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► acquired have more time to work on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► that Brent did that can only be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► yeah that definitely would be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► thing because that means that no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► it means shorter time between versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► and if I don't like something I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► have to wait three years to see if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► gets revised you know so I'm mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► optimistic about the acquisition and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► very interested to know what Brent is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► doing next which we ever do actually no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► I actually do know did you probably know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► about the dock addition to it didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► I knew a little bit about it I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► know as much as his apparently revealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► interview but I did know some things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► I certainly do know what Brent is up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► next and I can tell you that I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► but I can't speak about well I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► forward to it because at anytime you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► know there's a few in my pantheon of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► developers is a few little places and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► like you know the the Mount Olympus of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► developers and up on there are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► of applications that I've used like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► my entire life that I feel like are part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► of my computing life right right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► and and the people up there like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► know Brent Simmons with a newswire rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► you know the Bruce horn with the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and who is it but Larry Steve Bruce and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► John for the original finder Leo I are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► you getting a Photoshop to John Knoll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► who is who was the original Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► guy I don't know you don't know awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► anyway but yet brent is up there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► them and that's all text you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► one application that I use for years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► years and years and can't live without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► you get a spot on my personal mantle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► Olympus a software developer so whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2698">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► he does next I look forward to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► and even if it's not an application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► I use for years and years I wish them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► the best of luck with it well that about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► does it for this week's show you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2707">TS</a>]
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00:45:47 ◼ ► possible and as always thanks so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkQxAn0/2747">TS</a>]