00:00:01 ◼ ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/4">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► so perfect that it cannot be destroyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► by my co-host John siracusa i'm dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► benjamin and this is episode 19 like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/19">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► sponsors today get harvest calm and felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/24">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► tips sound studio for which we'll tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/27">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► you about is a program commences how are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/29">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► you John I'm pretty good it's a good day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► holiday weekend yeah it's gonna be nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/34">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► we got a hard stop at an hour though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/39">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► hard stop I mean like hard is slam the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► slam the laptop shut walk out the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► kind of hard stop we'll see what we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/46">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► do I hate doing that to you because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► know you like to go along Sarah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► by the time an hour is up this room will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► be put darn hot you know you're out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► summer podcasting situation oh I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► think I can have the a/c on because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► will be too noisy that's what I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/62">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► doing turning it off oh why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► throw it off flip the switch you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/66">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► I don't want you to suffer she shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► have to suffer for your art in 2011 I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► go as long as I can we'll say well just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/72">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► turn it on let's see here at the noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► and alright Anna that might not be bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► once we get you a good mic it won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► bad I'm not editing any of this out it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/79">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► all stays what do you think I don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/82">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► a thing no reason for you to suffer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► alright I'll leave it on and leave it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► I don't want you to said be tough I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► haven't you sweating in a sweat box in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/99">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► there and then your old family is a dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/102">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► terrible alright let's get started on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► yep let's go we're starting to up time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► yeah so what I did last week is I timed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► how long it took my toaster to toast a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► piece of bread ah starting from a cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► start what did you do last week I moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► 1,300 miles across the country but did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► your time your toaster no I didn't I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► not it was in a box and a moving truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► unbelievable I know how long did it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► I was close with my estimate it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► five minutes and eight second what for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► single piece of bread come on five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► minutes and 18 seconds I find it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► not I know that's that's and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► asking me last week like how long would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► you take I just had to long well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► that is to or that really long too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► it's just too darn long like next day it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► doesn't seem like a long time the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/155">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► time you wake up in the morning look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/156">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► your clock and wait until the hand moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► five minutes and think that's how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/159">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► to get in Stokes that's how long John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► siracusa waits for his toast no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► that is really a long time now before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/164">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► you get it too much into your tirade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► here III just want to say straight up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/169">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► the front of this at the top of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/173">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► the the biggest response that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► coming in about toasters was if what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► wants is toast why doesn't he just use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► slot toaster oven they make really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► toast and both sides get toasted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► only takes like 45 seconds see when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► just jump right to that point sure uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► I thought that kind of went without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► saying maybe it's just I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► implied in my discussion of toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/198">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► because I use the oven part of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► didn't talk about the oven part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/204">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► because that wasn't just kept talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/205">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► that toast right but at the toast was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► the part doesn't work in the toaster up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► in the oven part of the toaster oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/212">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► you know it works like an oven I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/213">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► have particular complaints about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► part and the next question is well why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/217">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► not just get both of them on I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► slot toaster for toast and a toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/220">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► oven for whatever you use that for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► just don't have the counter space for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/223">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► two appliances you know so it's like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► have room for the toaster oven but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► place really to put the slot toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► where we could get one so if I'm forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/231">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► to choose between the two appliances I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/234">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► pick the one that can do two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/235">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► things and I mentioned in the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► that you shouldn't be making pizza in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► your toaster I meant like cooking pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► one thing that you should be using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/243">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► toaster for or your oven is for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► like reheating a slice of pizza you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► should not reheat the leftover pizza in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► the microwave it just becomes a soggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/250">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► disgustingness if you have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► pizza to reheat yeah use your oven but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► if it's if you just have one slice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/255">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► pizza and you want to heat it up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/256">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► lunch or something let's put the toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/258">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► oven is for um and it works right even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► my crappy toaster heats up the pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/261">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► toaster oven thing actually it I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► circle back to it after I talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/269">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► this next bit here so this is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/270">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► part about having a podcast or popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► podcast we got in an email from someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► who used to design toasters at Sunbeam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/278">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► in the 1980s and he described all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/281">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► different aspects of toasters and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/285">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► I'm unhappy with my toaster a nice long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► email this is exactly the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► you're looking for like an expert guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/292">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► who's been there and wrenches oh yeah to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► toaster technology so I'm not gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► into every detail that he got we got two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/299">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► but the main thing he pinpointed about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► my toaster and the reason it takes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► long is because it uses a steel tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► with internal coiled resistant wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► surrounding an electrical insulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► chip to produce heat I think I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/311">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► mangled that but anyway it's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► that heats up the thing that turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► orange is of a particular type that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► takes a long time to heat up and his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► estimate was that it's going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/320">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► like at least two minutes before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► thing starts glowing orange and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► glowing orange part is important because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► toasters heat up things in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► ways the way he listed was a conduction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► convection and radiation and radiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► heat is the one you want to like brown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► your toast and that only happens once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► you once the thing turns orange is a my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► impression for reading this email so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► since it takes my toaster two minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► even to get that thing glowing orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/346">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► right away that that first two minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► is not making you toast what it is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► is it basically baking your bread or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► turning it into a crouton or doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► something that's not real like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► making it hot and strong it out but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► benchmark for good toast is apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► you want the outside to be toasted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/364">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► like lightly carbonized right or browned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► or whatever but the inside should not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► all dried out it should still be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► moist you shouldn't have taken every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/371">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► ounce of water and evaporated it out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► the middle of the toast so the longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► that piece of bread sits in there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► more it becomes a crouton the less it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/377">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► becomes toast which is why slot toasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/378">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► make better toast because they very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► quickly heat the outsides of the bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/382">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and yes they do it evenly and so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► so forth and because they do it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/385">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► quickly the inside is still moist when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► they pop up you've got a toasted outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/388">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► the end of oyster inside now obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► I'm not a toast kind of store all I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► want is the top and bottom to be cooked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/393">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► relatively evenly and I can see how what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► what he's saying is true that if I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► would be more moist than it is in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► minutes is just you know taking moisture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► out of the bread that that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► magically give me more counter space but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► it does make me consider like is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► counters to make room for a slot toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► because maybe this is worth doing if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► can find a good slot toaster just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► just to see what the what it's like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/421">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► have better toast but I think I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► also be happy with a working toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► oven so this guy I should give his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► there Lowell Burnham some other thing he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► mentioned was uh different kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► heating elements and toasters another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► one is a a radiant coil inside a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► quartz tube which apparently glows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► orange in about 15 seconds it gets much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/442">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► hotter than the steel thing does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► only problem with that is that it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/448">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► have a tendency to scorch because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► does get so hot so it's like it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/452">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► balancing between the steel elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► that I have that probably do a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► job of baking without scorching versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► these which do a better job of toasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► balancing act to get a toaster oven that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/465">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► does toast well does oven well it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► constant trade-off which is why he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► basically saying you're never going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/470">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► get a toaster oven that makes his good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/471">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► toast is slot toaster because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► trying to do too many different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/475">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► and everything that works towards making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► better toast works against the oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► function I I still was like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► that has a reasonable balance and I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/482">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► like I had a reasonable balance back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► the day he mentioned at the old Black & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► Decker I was talking about was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► AG small appliances oven that changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/489">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► owners when G was sold to black & decker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/492">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► so it should it shows that there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► memory of like that one model that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/498">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► were all talking about it rang up I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/500">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► also saying Westinghouse I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► that was a related brand but back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► apparently whatever balance that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► struck over many years of refinement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► development I liked that balance and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► I could find one that had that balance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► would take it and it was nice to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► that in the show notes for last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/516">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► show after it was over you added your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► toaster and and Marko's toaster and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► I added my toaster so if you go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► last week's show notes you can find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/524">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► toasters and compare them if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► the amazon reviews or my toaster there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► some horrible ones in there nobody likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► one person sided exploded firing shards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/534">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► of glass everywhere mine has done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► yet but it's definitely not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/539">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► toaster yeah your toaster was like 180 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► bucks as predicted right and Marcos was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► in that price range too but I got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► tell you after looking at your toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/547">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► and hearing your your reviews of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► looking at the reviews online or reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/550">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► measurements and everything I'm tempted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► to give your toaster a try so it's I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► it on the Amazon wish list well I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/558">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► tell I'll tell you what you my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/559">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► researched this toaster and she is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/562">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► is the best at researching things and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► finding you know I don't want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/567">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► finding deals because it's not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/570">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► that it's finding the right quality to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/571">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► cost ratio and she did a lot she did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/575">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► liked a lot of research on this toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► and because I had to look a certain way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► and be a certain thing with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/582">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► culmination of a lot of her you know her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► research combined with my somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► specific requirements of the that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► know when I do want to cook something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► or do something it has to be a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/597">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► thing as to easy-to-clean really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/598">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► toaster is worth your time I get I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/602">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► didn't but is on my wish list that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/605">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► interface look bad and I that is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► buttons were underneath the lit the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► front lid thing that flaps down like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► when you open it you're covering the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/613">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► controls that seems silly to my strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► this is also I think a little bit bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► your measurements are actually very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► toaster so it would fit in the spot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► have on it for the counter so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► it's on the list maybe I'll ask for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/625">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► as a Christmas present I maybe I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► buy it for you guys because don't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► be an exciting Christmas toaster maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► we should take a little donation from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► the audience that one that want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► have this and we you know take a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► funds or something you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/638">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► toaster it's just a question of pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► the trigger deciding that I want this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/645">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► my life and that I can't handle the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/646">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► toaster that I have now or should I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► continue to use the toaster that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/649">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► now until it actually does melt into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► pile of cheap plastic and bright metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► well because I have no idea where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► going to be living and and when we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► actually get our stuff into that place I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► if you can wait for however many weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► it takes to for all of that to be sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/665">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► if you can wait then when the toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► finally arrives here in Austin I will I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/670">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► we I will time it I will make a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/673">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► for you I'll do whatever you like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► just to stop watch the cold start in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/678">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► morning put the bread in close the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► press those button start the clock take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► it out when you think it's done to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► satisfaction I didn't go super dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/687">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► toast it was you know just brown it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► one but also by the way I took mine out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► when the bottom was brown the top was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► not even toasted yet because my toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► is so horrible does one side so if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► waited for both you can't wait for both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► sides to be done because by the time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► top is done the bottom is burnt so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► going entirely bought based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► bottom so it would take even longer if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► I'd waited for the top to get some color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/705">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► on I have a bad toaster is the moral not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/706">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► terrible all right a couple more quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/710">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► Twitter and in-band signaling the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► day I'm surprised I didn't see more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► this in the chat room one or two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► apparently I'm completely out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/724">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► loop on Twitter because in May of last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► year at some presentation in London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/728">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► Twitter announced a new thing called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► Twitter annotations which is just what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► sending a tweet to just tack on a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/739">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► of annotations that's metadata it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► exactly what I was talking about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► basically arbitrary metadata for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► tweet so you could put in whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/746">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► want there and then clients just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► read that metadata and apply it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/750">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► apparently this is what Twitter itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► uses or something similar to do it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/754">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► like link short and stuff so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► text it's not really what I want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► because the text in tweet still has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► link shortener length the TCO thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► then the annotation is tell you what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/764">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► real URL is so you don't have to go look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► it up through the shortener or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/767">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► like that but you could in theory use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► these annotations for everything for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/770">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► know who you're applying to us you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► wouldn't have to have the @ name at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► beginning of the tweet links you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► you could just have like byte-range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► offsets and or you can even do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► markup type thing where you just tag the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► the the pieces of information and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► link them back to a URL like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► there is a facility for doing this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► fact that it hasn't been picked up was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/790">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► probably just momentum because you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► you need the clients to support it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/793">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► it's kind of a chicken and egg thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/795">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► who's going to be the first client to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/796">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► support this type of thing or who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/797">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► going to be the first client to generate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► these types of tweets like sort of rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► Exce tweets with annotations on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/802">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► when they're not sure that anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► will be able to see it or that it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► look all weird and screwed up when other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► people see it so the transition is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► always a difficult part transitioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/810">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► from clients that work the way they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► now to ones that use this annotations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► instead of everything being in line so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► it may be too little too late but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► can't really fault twitter for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/818">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► having an api the only weird thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► annotations can't be any more than 512 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► bytes they're really big on their data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► probably blow through that with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► a bunch of long URLs in a tweet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► already you're out of them this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/834">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► total size of like the entire annotation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► not just the values this is I think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/837">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► whatever that whole thing has to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/840">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► 512 bytes and they say they're hoping to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► increase that up to 2k but it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► for attaching images for example or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/846">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► anything like that but I do have an API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► for it and the fact that I'd never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► of it shows just how few clients are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/852">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► apparently using this it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► shame that it's out there and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► seem to be a clear transition path maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/859">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► when Twitter has completely wiped out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► all the third-party clients they will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► more free to more quickly innovate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► the clients they own and control adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► support for these annotations alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/870">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► what else will be having what else have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/875">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► warranties are now up to five years a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► bunch of people sent me that when we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/882">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► talking about SSD reliability did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► see that story go by this week no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► totally missed that one I haven't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► everything going on what did it say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► it's like Intel's new line of SSDs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/892">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► the you know they're they're brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► five-year warranty on and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► press releases say you know Intel is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► reliability of its of its devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► it's increasing the warranty on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/906">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► things to five years and they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/907">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► working great and blah blah blah and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► lot of people sent this in to me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► unfounded because these things have five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► year warranties and hard drives most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/915">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► hard drives only have three so SSDs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► know they must have a lot of confidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► that these things are going to last a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► long time when I see a company increase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► its warranties like that and do a press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/926">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► release about it it makes me more wary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► maybe them too cynical more worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/930">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► about reliability not less because very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/931">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► fanfare unless it's a reaction against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/937">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► any you know bad PR that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► reliability problems you know like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► want to show that we are not like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/946">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► other SS all right reliability problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► ours are really safe trust us but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► you could say like well who cares what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/953">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► the reasoning is five years is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/954">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► five years and whether they're doing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► for cynical reasons or not or just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/957">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► try to get you to buy their stuff or try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► to counter the prevailing story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► reliability who cares you still get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► free one for five years so I am pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► much happy that their increase in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/966">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► warranty to five years but I am still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► suspicious of the reliability and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► other thing about this warranty is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► it's not like five years period full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► stop it's five years but there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► fine print text that says but we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► our own little internal calibration on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► each drive that says you get X number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► gigabytes of i/o per unit of time and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► you blow through a we consider to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/988">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► the lifetimes work of this SSD and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/989">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► you blow through that in a year and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► constantly reading writing huge blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► well then tough you don't get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/996">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► warranty and they have a different a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► enterprise usage versus regular usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► and while I was clicking around those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► stories and so someone else's link I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► wish I could find it but I couldn't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► ever the show notes but they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► showing what their drive was reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► as the useful life left in it after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► using it for a year because you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► just you can query the drive and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► what how much life time you have left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1018">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► like sort of like the oil lifetime on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► your car or whatever and he was way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► farther through the lifetime his Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► than he thought he would be after only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► year and a half or so I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► Intel's numbers are for the usage but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► the fact that there's a tiered thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► enterprise versus regular user and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► and the fact that the five-year thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► null and void if you go through what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► considers to be a reasonable amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► i/o it just gets back to that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► the nature of solid-state storage is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► that there's a limited number of rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► that you get and once you go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► them it's a physical limit on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► storage that's that's it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► there's no getting around that so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► you know they give you over capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► sometimes that Enterprise drives to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► you like four or five times the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► you actually need to give you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► Headroom to do all those right so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► you wear out a certain section of cells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► they move to another one yeah these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► things will be started at in time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► think the warranty increase is a move in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► I just hope Intel doesn't lose it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► on the warranty increase they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► won't because most people will buy these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► things and not using that heavily and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► it'll be fine but I'm feeling that I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► my drives pretty heavily giving them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► have disc thrashing I see my system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► doing most of the time especially with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► all the backups constantly raising all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► reading all this data downloading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► last night that so I continue to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► once I can get a one terabyte SSD for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► reasonable price I will almost certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► buy one but that day is not today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► all right I think it's all the follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► I have record time huh that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► good time I mean 20 22 minutes not less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► than that 18 cents yes it's a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► you're under sponsor you're gonna stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► it in later I'll stick it in now this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► episode is sponsored by harvest and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► application you can send your clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► beautiful professional invoices via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► email PDF or on the web you can accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► online credit card and check payments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► and more you can even this is cool while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► you're traveling I know you travel a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► you fly a lot right John for work I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► a lot of people do a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► aren't like us and they don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► getting on planes and then when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► out there they want to you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► want to expense stuff or they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► give they want to give their receipts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► the system how do they do that well with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► this you could just you can take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► picture of your receipt and upload it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► straight into the app how cool is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► but if you use code five by five TV all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► one word all upper case you'll get 50% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► off your first month after the 30 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► so check them out at get harvest calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► love these guys now let's let's make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► worth their while go check these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► out get harvest calm I've heard so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► horror stories of people who do travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► for work have the things they have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► through to get reimbursed oh yeah are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► the expenses that they incurred that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► not is perhaps the vision is the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► evolved part of corporate culture so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► many other parts of you know have gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► better over the years but that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► that that's where the trolls live in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► department that tries to give you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► money for your cab fare or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► alright ready for the show's topic I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► the topic you didn't want oh no not this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► one yes this was this is the one all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► right you're lucky it'll be it'll be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► you know it has to be short yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► microwave ovens no oh so I'm gonna talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► about the finder um this is something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► talked about a lot a while ago I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► feel like I've talked about that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► since but people are sick of hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► about it from me so there is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► worn-out factor to the topic that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► probably why you don't want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► about it but you're going to because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► think it's time so I wrote about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► originally about eight years ago makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► me feel old to say that but that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► long it was and I think probably to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► day it is my least understood article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► mostly because I did a bad job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► communicating it's not the fault of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► reader that it was least understood it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► it's my fault now when I go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► read it it looks like everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► wanted to say is in there so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► like I didn't say what I wanted to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► but I said a bunch of other stuff too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► and if you're not me you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► which stuff you should be concentrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► on like those it's just too big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► flabby really this is linked in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► notes it's the first link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► notes the title of the article was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► the finder from April 2003 I tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► when I did a retrospective like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► year about ten years of Mac os10 reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► I tried to summarize the issues that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► were described originally in that 2003 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► article I think that's a bitter you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► read six paragraphs and figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► back I'm talking about summary but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► does assume knowledge of reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► came before it I think so I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► how good it is for a starting point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► I have that in the show notes as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► the page that link - you just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► scroll down a little bit to get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► part where I talk about the finder again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► so this time on the show I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► give it another another run at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► topic because maybe talking I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► better than I was writing about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► really doubt it but we'll give it a go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► I'm going to try slightly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► angle this time because every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► thing that I've tried has not worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► participation from you meaning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► ask questions and and challenge me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► things don't make sense to you because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► really just talked about and thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► about this so much and maybe glossing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► permission to do that beyond yours be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► your toes all right all right so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► what the heck are we talking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► is my new ankle a new angle as as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► usually do on the show is to start from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► the history and I will it put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► historical context I'll get that bus so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► what I'm going to describe here is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► were the earliest sort of mass-market PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► interfaces what were they like like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► know pcs that were used more than by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► dozen or so people we don't really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► the first time I don't like Apple to IBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► PC the first time the personal computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► started to appear as a phrase and Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► magazine and stuff like that the dawning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► so what were those interfaces like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► how I'm going to categorize them as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► were like conversations so you turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► this this PC thing that you've got and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► it would do some stuff and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► you'd be faced with sort of a blinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► prompt asking for input so that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► conversation starter was the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► saying to you and what what will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► have me do if I do like some instruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► right and there's really no indication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► what it is you should do with that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► you have the paper manual that came with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► the computer and you could read about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► you can learn something but just looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► at if you just brought the computer out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► of the box you never use a PC before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► turned it on you got that blinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► prompt assuming you could even figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► out that it wanted you to type on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► keyboard to enter text at that prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► which you would probably figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► shortly you don't know what to type but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► presuming you read the manual whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► you know you would type instruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► that's your side of the conversation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► then you hit return to send it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► computer and the computer would give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► an answer that read to tell you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► result of the question that you asked or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► maybe you would ask follow-up questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► or would do something in response to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► your command but it was basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► conversation you tell what to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► gives information back to you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► something different it gives information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► back back and forth right and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► the dominant paradigm of using a PC as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► basically until the Macintosh I mean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► again I'm only talking mass-market and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► want to get email from the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► will tell me that you know such-and-such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► computer had a GUI before the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► everything that Mac was the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► popularized this for better or for worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► and it you know it gets the credit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► history so when the Macintosh came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► around and it started to be appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► magazines and everything it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► different experience you turned on a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► when you first got out of the box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► you didn't get a command prompt so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► was no you know the reason you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► command prompt models other computers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1498">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► it was like usually basic or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► built-in so what you were typing at in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► the beginning was probably a basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► prompt or you were going to type some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► sort of command to tell it what Drive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► load you know the program out of or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► whatever to boot from this driver to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► this program and this driver something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► like that when you turn it on a Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► didn't get a prompt of any kind and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► you did if your just took it out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► box plugged in turns it on what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► would get is a picture on the screen of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► what was supposed to be a floppy disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► recognizable to people because these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► disks look a little bit different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► the older floppy disks with a blinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► question mark on it and I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► tell you like that's it's it's visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► way of saying disk do you have a disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► for me and there's nothing you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► with that screen you couldn't type stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► there was no command prompt you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► you know click on anything even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► know how to use the mouse it was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► that it needed a disk with pictures but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► not with words which is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► because it saves on localization you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► know obviously this has to be in the ROM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► you don't have to localize the ROM so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► use a picture of the floppy disk with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► assuming you figured out that that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► wanted a disk you take the disk the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► computer came with and you shove it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► there and it would start going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► all this stuff would bring up a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► box it says welcome to Macintosh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► eventually would boot into what we now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► know is the finder but what if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► just looking at this what you would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► is a bunch of pictures on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► with little rectangles that look kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► like little pieces of paper with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► Kalama faulted and little diamond shapes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► and then windows with scroll bars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► all this sorts of stuff and it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► asking you for anything there wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► prompt to we're expecting you to type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► some commands it was more like you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► looking at this thing now that the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► was the desktop the desktop metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► when when people are writing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► Macintosh early on that's what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► they love to talk about like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► there's a little trash can in the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► isn't it adorable and these little icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► it just is just like an office not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► really a desk I was like an office you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► know your office is a trash can your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► office has folders your office has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► pieces of paper you know those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► right yeah and this is what people got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► stuck on especially in the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► everybody talked about the Mac like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► it's easy to use because it uses this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► metaphor of things that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► familiar with right you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► learn very much to use it right but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► were saying like it's because because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► people already know what a trash can is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► and because we have you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► graphical capabilities to draw something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► that people will recognize as trash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► but the pixels are really small right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► and we have good artists and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► we can draw this little thing it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► like a folder and people know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► folders are already so there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► there's nothing to learn it's familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► right that's all people we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► distraction the maybe in the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► that was important in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► making people feel comfortable so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► they're not intimidated because they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► symbols on the screen that that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► like things that they are familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► but the real difference was that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► stopped being a conversation in almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► an adversarial conversation where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► something here and you were saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► don't know what to type I'll try this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► and it would say no you have typed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► wrong thing is something different no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► that's the wrong thing to you type that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► okay now I'll do what you told me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► but I'm not going to tell you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► what that was maybe I'll tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► whether it was successful or not maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► silence means it was successful you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► that was intimidating versus this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► conversation but a thing now I I got off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► my first Mac when I was like 9 or 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► years old 1984 and giving this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► to me and I had Mac's before I max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► before I had computers before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► booted to a prompt and I'd done basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► program stuff like that so I understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► the concept of booting to a problem do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► this thing but you gave me this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► thing did not boot to a prompt booted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► this this desktop and the mouse control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► the cursor it was pretty clear what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► did with the mouse was just like a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► of extension of your hand you move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► around the screen it's got one button on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► the mouse what do you do is when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► little arrow was over something you push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► the button and you see what the heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► happens it was kind it was kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► giving someone like an ant farm or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► a tavern puzzle or one of those 161 kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► it was it was like a thing not not a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► a conversation not not a challenge not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► not a game but a thing where you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► poke the thing and you'd see how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► react like in a you know in it farm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► know what happens if I stick a stick in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► there what happens if I cover over this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► though anthill you know what happens if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► and upset and shake or you know a tavern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► puzzle you know what happens when I pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► this metal thing out whatever's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► you know so even as a nine-year-old who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► had never seen a GUI before you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► pretty quickly figure out all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► this is only really one way to get input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► aside it wasn't touching the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► because it was no there was no props [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► there was no type you know the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► things you can type on a keyboard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► nearly infinite but clicking it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► pictures on the screen and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► you figure out if you click two times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► faster than something different you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► click and hold down and it drags you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► could figure out how it worked without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► having to read a manual and without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► having to type every possible string of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► characters that you can type on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► keyboard and that in my view was was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► big difference between the Macintosh way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► and the pre Macintosh way sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► GUI in the non GUI way is not not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► desktop metaphor and all the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► folders and letting people know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► things were but the fact that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► figure it out by trial and error in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► reasonable amount of time because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► worked more like a physical yeah object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► then then like you know some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► obscure game system right well there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► lot of value though to that to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► metaphor yeah I mean obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► metaphor was helping to be the thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► look like a folder you'd have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► notion of what it might do and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► open it you could put stuff in it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► know yeah I mean it was helping you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► understand what was going on if they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► made them circle squares and Diamonds it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► would have been more difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► understand but but even if they had make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► them Sir made them circle squares and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► kids in particular would figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► because if you think about video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► of the time everything on screen was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► like a circle or a square or daimond or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► some other simple shape very clued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► crudely drawn with big hunk and pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► but we didn't really care like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► abstraction went away but you could fare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► like okay I in asteroids on this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► arrow shaped thing all right but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► clear you know what other shape it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► you could have bit its circle diamond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► whatever it's it's you that's you that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► the thing it shoots the asteroid hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► you and you die and no matter what shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► any of those objects are you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► different pictures the game still makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► sense once you use it now the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► it's right in his name is that the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► of the finder was to find things and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► it's interesting to contrast the the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► you find things the conversation wavers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► is the Macintosh way so knowing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► things you were supposed to be finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► is one thing you know the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► pieces of paper with the corners folded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► or folders tell you if I'm looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► something it's probably one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► piece of paper things it's like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► electronic piece of paper or and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► might be inside of the folder something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► like that but and all the screens you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► know that but pretend you knew it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► you refining the conversation way it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► like like a text adventure what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► would do is like you get at the prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► that you type like look room that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► equivalent of like LS order or one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► those commands and that would this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► theme of like info context adventures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► and it would say exits or a B and C you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► know and those are like you would list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► the files and fold it in there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► you'd say okay fine go to a or go north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► that's that's C D right change directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► then you type look room again and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► would tell you what's in that room right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► if anyone's played a text adventure this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► is the process of wandering around text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► adventure you this text printed on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► screen explain to you what's around but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► you have to prompt you to say tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► what's here where are my exits okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► going to that exit look around here do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► that to that take this thing and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► on top of that examine this okay go here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► go there all the while you're moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► around your current location is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► kept in your head and you can ask the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► computer where am i right that's instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► of the state you can say where am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► current working directory will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► you're in the north lobby there exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► north south oh yeah I forgot about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► and you spend a while and they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► stuff or whatever and you come back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► go to the computer so where am I tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► again right but if you're just working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► you're maintaining that state in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► head like what is my current directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► what are the contents of this directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► you know stuff like that yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Macintosh Way was more like I was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► to come up with a good analogy for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► is but it was not like a text adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► it was more like like I said like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► physical thing like say you were looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► for something in a tool box like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► those big red tool boxes in a garage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► with 15 million drawers although it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► more like an infinitely deep tool box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► bragging centers within drawers dr. you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► open the drawer and inside that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► another drawer instead as another drawer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► but that's that shouldn't distract from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► the fact that that's the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► equivalent is you open the drawer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► there is no command to look at the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► you just look with your eyes and you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► what are the contents of this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► when I open this folder it opens this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► window what's in that window I don't ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► the computer what's in the window the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► computer shows me and if I can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► something in a drawer I like pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► drawer arm or move stuff out of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► you know you dig around you rummage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► around in there and yes you may find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► another drawer inside there except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► style and open that drawer and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► what's in there right and so the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► of where you are and what it was you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► looking at was maintained visually by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► the computer you didn't have to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► where you were you just look and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► like you know what what is it what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► where am i what is in this place that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► am it you know then there was a title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► bar the window or whatever but you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► see this is what's in this window and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► especially in the early days there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► like three or four icons per window you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► could see everything that was in either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► one of them and if you wanted to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► well you could see like where the drawer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► was sticking out of in other words so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► you could see by where the drawer when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► you double-click the folder would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► that little animation and it would show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► you this is coming from there it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► very crude animation because it was 1984 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► but it would have a series of lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► saying you know that folds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► double-clicked is now opening this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► that's where it came from and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► gray out the the place where it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► and the new window would be in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► location and that's where the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► would be and you scroll around to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► for stuff and that's the key part is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► looking around for stuff was literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► looking around like when you rummage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► something you are you know and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► drawer is messy it's going to be harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► to find stuff you know but but you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► can look around for stuff by you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► scrolling is not much different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► pulling out the drawer more moving stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► out of the way with your hands you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► move stuff around and arrange things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► however you want it if you're into lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► organization you can make a nice neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► junk drawer where you say okay well let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► me I keep going in this drawer to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► stuff let me just arrange stuff the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► I want it to be so it'll to be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► it'll be easier to find next time maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► I'll put them in alphabetical order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► maybe I'll put them in little groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► maybe I'll just arrange them arbitrarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► maybe I'll put my favorite ones on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► upper left and you know whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► want to do but eventually what you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► you have a place for everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► visually and this is this is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► bargain that people are used to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► let me arrange things in places right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► and people used to this in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► world because this is what this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► keeping your house is like or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► arranging your room or whatever it's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► to you to more or less you know keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► your silverware a nice neat pile so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► you know where the forks are instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► putting all your so we're into a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► jumble if you want to put all your so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► were in a big jumble fine and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► want to go in there looking for a fork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► you can you know sift through the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► and find the fork where but that's up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► you this is the bargain of life and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► is this was the bargain of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► presented you with is that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► arrange things however you wanted and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► you're a neat person you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► needing you're a sloppy person you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► and what it did whether you need or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► sloppy was it eventually let you build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► up a memory of where things are the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► way kind of this is an example I use one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► of the early articles I'll bring that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► again just because I think it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► still a good one the same way when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► move into a new house which you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► doing shortly hopefully I hold you first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► move in you don't really know where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► the light switches are right so every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► time you come in home you're like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► this on the inside especially if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► can't move to New England from someplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► else the England puts light switches to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► the bathrooms on the outside crazy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► like that from you know really old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► houses just so you can like goof on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► your kids and turn the light off while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► they're in there in the shower yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► don't know why that is some person is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► contractor in New England will send us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► an email and explain why the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► switches can you do your best New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► England accent of the imitating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► contractor coming in and what he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► say I do not have a New England accent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► nor can I imitate one NORC and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► people in Hollywood but I know one money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► you can do Boston but yeah so but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► you've been there for a while eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► you remember all the lights which is art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► it's not like you spent some time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► okay kids we're going to spend an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► tonight to memorize where all the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► switches are you don't expend any effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► on remembering where the light switch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► are you just leave you lived there for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► two weeks eventually you remember old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► lights resort how the hell do you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► that how is it that suddenly you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► where all the light switches are and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► expended literally zero conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► thought to remember where the light rays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► are well you remember where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► because they don't move and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► yeah you didn't choose you didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► choose to put them there but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► some other person but them in crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► positions but eventually you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► where they are just you know we call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► muscle memory or whatever we call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► obviously your muscles don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► have memory these are all phrases that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► we've come up with to describe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► sensation of us not haven't you not use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► our people brains to remember where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► things are just happens automatically so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► that's like that's obviously not me I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► not thinking about it it's muscle memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► my muscles know so when I walk into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► room even it's like in the middle the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► night I'm getting up to take a leak my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► hand just automatically flicks the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► switch on I didn't think about it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► happened right so this obviously is easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► for something stationary like light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► switch just don't move it you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► the same experience with things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► choose to put somewhere like eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► when you move into new house you decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► where you're going to put the scissors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► so that every time you want the scissors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► you go and get this eventually you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► thinking about where the scissors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► your body gets up walks through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► house without hitting any of the walls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► correctly turns on all the lights which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► is on its way there opens the drawer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► where you know the scissors are takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► the scissors out of the drawer maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► you're not even looking walks back with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► the room of the scissors and you do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► thing right because you chose that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► is going to be in this drawer and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► have been living in this house for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► while and you've you know arranged the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► furniture in a certain way and the rooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► electrodes are a certain way all because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► it behaves like the physical world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► it's not not surprising that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► good at doing this because people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► been living in the physical world since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► there have been people you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► navigate 3d space look at things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► your eyes and do repetitive tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► without thinking about them because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► we had to think like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► you're programming a robot pick up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► foot move it forward slightly lean your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► body forward now your foot your body is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► starting to tilt catch it with your foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► catch though I mean we don't think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► things become sort of automatic for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► to do because we this is just how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► evolved if we had to think consciously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► about every little thing that we did we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► would not be a successful species so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► human mind body and brain are completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► tuned to do things based on visual input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► with our hands physically without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► thinking about it and this is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► most efficient possible way that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► do anything really now the reason this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► ties back to the Mac is that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► what the Mac was like especially to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► young childhood note to it know a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► - it wasn't a change for anything it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► like the first interface that I've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► right it was like a little like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► toy box like a little place where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► could rearrange things now they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► two-dimensional things but they behaved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► like real things they'd be it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► and you just move things around arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► things like looks like a little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► world in there and and the great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► about it was that you know you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► draw lines and erase them and you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► you know it wasn't like paper they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► raised perfectly you could arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► things perfectly and align them on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► pixel grid which is difficult to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► real life and everything but but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► manipulate and the experience of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► was that you turned it on and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► what you saw like it wasn't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► program that you ran right it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► like you were running the finder program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► then you know when you turn the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► on on a boot did this is what you saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► applications ran on the computer when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► you launched an application then you saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► something else and it was like oh okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► this is this application is interfaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► and this has palettes or it's a game or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► it's whatever but when you quit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► application nothing else is running you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► just saw the computer all right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► finder is what you saw when all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► applications were closed it was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► closing of the finder right to close the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► finder was to turn off the computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► the the upshot of this is what I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► way back in 2003 I still believe to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► day is that back then the finder was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► computer it's not like it was a program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► running on the computer the finder was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► the computer when it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► magical little world called the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and that was the entire computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► then you could run things on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► those were just like bonuses and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► reason the Mac was more friendly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► people liked it was not in my opinion so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► much is because of desktop metaphor but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► because that when everything was quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and closed you were just left with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► you were left this little diorama thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► that people could understand and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► they understood how it works because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► worked like the real world and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► used it for any reasonable period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► time it was like the light switches in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► your house you arrange things in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► certain way you knew where things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► or you chose not to arrange them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► just live with the messy junk drawer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► at least you knew where the junk drawer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► was right and it was it was a bargain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► that people were used to and it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► friendly it felt less effort than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► remembering which you have to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► conscious effort to remember all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► commands very few people you know make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► programmers or maybe your UNIX geeks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► stuff have the capacity to remember all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► these commands because you do have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► read man pages in the beginning and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► remember what that flag tell s is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► remember what are the arguments go on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► the Ln command and stuff like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► even no matter how good you are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► memorizing computers you have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► some effort and some people can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► cross that threshold you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► command-line stuff they never never get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► over the hump they you know it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► effort but if you put someone in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► of a 1984 Macintosh and you make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► use it for a week to do simple tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► they will eventually figure out the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► least to find a part of it with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► okay well where's that file okay it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► over here over here there it is or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► although you know put stuff on a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► or whatever um and so that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► represented to me that was what made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► what they called user friendly right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► adversarial conversation where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► weren't getting hints by the computer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► was because it was more like a thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► what else do I have here in my last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► remaining ten minutes which time am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► be interrupting you on well so all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► we'll get through it I think all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► let me let me do the second sponsor we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► also want to say thanks to sound studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► for its an easy to you I love this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► review system today's use Mac app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► recording and editing digital audio on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► your computer you can digitize tapes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► vinyl records you can record live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► performances podcasts whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► to do and you can edit with it - you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► do mixes crossfades tweak the levels in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► the EQ you can export in all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► favorite formats a if' wav mp3 AAC even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► john Syracuse's favorite the OGG Vorbis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► you can try sound studio for for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► for 15 days fully functional by visiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► felt-tip comm /ss for sound studio or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► you just want to go check it out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► App Store you could do it they sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► there just search for sound studio or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► sound studio for and you'll find it love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► this app use this app constantly any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► time I need to just do string forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► recordings I don't want to have to mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► with logic and all that stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► overkill for most people really this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► my go-to app highly recommended please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► go check them out use that right tone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► I do have sound studio I think I got in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► one of those bundles way back when yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► probably don't have the latest version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► well the easy it was that was my sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► edit 16 replacement that's right it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► small app shop they've continued to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► it's a 64-bit app now it's come a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► way a lot of new stuff in version 4 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► I'm happy with for years I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► looking for a replacement for sound data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► 16 which was my old go to you just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► that at some audio app and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► find one sound studio was the one I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► up with years ago I haven't updated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► since probably because it just still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► works but I'll take a look at the newer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► version so where was that now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► everything that I just described to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► for that to happen for that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► magical moment of just like not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► to think about it and getting used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► where things are and everything for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► to work things have to be recognizable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► and and recognizable without reading no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► reading reading is like the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► Krugman is that his book don't make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► think I'm thinking of the Economist was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► like Steve Krug is don't make me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► when I hear that I think don't make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► read so things have to be recognizable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► that doesn't mean making you read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► so that's a type dir or LS and get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► Content and read stuff or even has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► type CWD and read that thing no reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► the best way we recognize things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► our senses because again we don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► didn't involve evolved inside a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► we evolved in the world that's how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► recognize everything with our senses all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► right so I you know the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► technology is visually it's it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► argued that sound might be adding sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► to the mix would help but right now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► don't do that I would say like smells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► another one okay we recognize things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► the real world with sound what's with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► all our senses with taste I guess but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► or tasting our computer screens sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► maybe but no one has figured out a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► to do that's not annoying because sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► can be kind of annoying so we were on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► the screen recognize things visually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► that's what the original finder used and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► the way that worked is that when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► opened a folder there would be a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► window that was tied to that folder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► that window would have a certain size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► shaping position that you could adjust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► because it's like a little thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► and because you chose how big to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► and where to put it and the arrangement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► of things inside it you would come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► recognize that arrange that visual thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► with like you'd recognize it visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► the same way you recognize you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► room in your house or a street or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► anything else you recognize visually oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► that's that window because I recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► it by looking at all right and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► changes to that state rearranging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► contents scrolling a little bit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► changing the size moving it that had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► be maintained by the computer because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► it wasn't then when you saw something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► the screen that visual information would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► identification and doesn't take much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► a deviation to make you start discarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► that information but if you if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► some such weak look let me move that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► over there and then the next time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► opened it it wasn't over there you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► to you know consciously or not you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► to say well I can't rely on these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► that my eyes are seeing to help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► identify things I have to I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► start reading basically like oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► looks like that window use last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► well no but you know oh that looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► a the same arrangement of the icons well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► is it well I have it to read you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► because if any of these changes that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► workspace if you tried to like say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► you're a painter you put the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► by out the the big cup of water over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► there and your palette over here and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► put the red in the corner and the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► over there and the white over there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► you put the little towel over this bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► so you can get to it and you have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► seat here and your sandwiches behind you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► up you make that nice arrangement then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► you spend the time doing that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► something moves and you go for the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► thing and it's not where you left it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► can be like okay I guess we can't get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► that water thing by just looking for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► I have to you know look it up by name or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► Salvi's as the analogy falls down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► because in pewter world is different but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► behaving like the real world does in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► terms of state retention the user will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► just start discarding that as valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► something else and look that something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► else is is usually reading that where am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► i I have to read something now and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► is way way less efficient you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► you'll never get to that sort of I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► world lights which is our thing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► have to start reading stuff now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► finder that I described in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► is the way the fine to work for 16 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► 1984 through 2001 or so yeah the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► school fund your favorite finder yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► and and that's what I call the spatial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► finder spatial as you know as in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► know objects in space type of thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► don't think I cone that term I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► read it somewhere way back when and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► you've just been repeating it since but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► when I say spatial finder that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► mean and when other people say it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► not sure what it is they mean I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► they mean the same thing as I do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► they're talking about you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► about the same thing if you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► Jurassic Park that's not the spatial fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► that is spatial okay what is that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► is the thing on SGI it's actually a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► program that is actually fly through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► file system no you know what those were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► just like tiles that would fly a tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► yeah yeah that's not the spatial okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► what is it then all right so so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► what I just described it's it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► finder that works that way that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► windows or tied to a single folder that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► any sort of state change you make to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► arrangement of icons or the size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► position of the windows is retained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► that's it simple the thing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► spatial finder is it's not it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► fetishizing the past or some weird set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► of rules that you have to comply to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► arbitrary set of rules and it's it's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► Bible and we don't question why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► there and you have to comply to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► because we're selling you it's good now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► the spatial finder is a means to an end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► the whole point of the spatial finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► the reason it worked is because the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► that it behaved allowed the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► spatial information to be significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► and it engaged that incredibly powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► part of your brain that would recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► that stuff and if it work differently if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► you broke one of these rules of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► spatial finder then that you'd stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► leveraging that part of the brain so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► it didn't retain visual state if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► could have multiple windows open that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► all represented the same folder when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► made a state change to it you'd be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► well so am I am i changing the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► this folder but because I see it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► there and it's a different thing so next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► time I open it where is it good you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► you don't think about this consciously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► but basically what it boils down to is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► that you don't spend the time to arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► confidence you don't even know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► is you're arranging you know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► confidence it's gonna be the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► so in Mac in Mac OS 10 they introduced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► new model to the finder which is not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► was not new in 2001 mag was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► about but it was new to the Mac and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► that's browsing and we're all familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► with browsing from web browser it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► basically the window is kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► device through which you can view many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► things like my magic magic device a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► magic portal and the browser window is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► wherever it is but the contents of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► window can be anything right and as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► change the contents of the window the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► window itself doesn't change so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► don't you know a particular website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► isn't in a particular position on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► screen the browser is like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► device and you could view that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► website in seven browser devices all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► same time and that's the direction they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► wanted to go with the finder in Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► there's also another model on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► that which is of course search which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► already existed but it's come become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► more important where you type stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► and it just gives you a list of matches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► independent of where they are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► file hierarchy right now all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► models I describe they're useful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► various contexts my Mangum late with Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► OS 10 was that they ditched the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► one I ditched that spatial model they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► introduced browsing which is good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► has many purposes they made search a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► better with spotlight but they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► that that first one wasn't important and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► they decided that basically through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► neglect because they say well can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► use the Mac OS and finder like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► can't you just make all your windows not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► have side bars and toolbars you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► this you can try to arrange things as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► much as you want but the finder will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► thwart you because it will spawn windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► or you'll browse to a location in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► browser window and change the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► the window and not realize you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► changing the size of the window window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► that you see in the other mode or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► you think you're changing it but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► not or when you change the icon v1 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► in the browser are you changing the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► view next time you open that window from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► the dock maybe you are maybe you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► like I said it doesn't take much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► throw you off to make this information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► not reliable and it's a shame that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► ditch that model because it is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► efficient way that people recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► things I had a hard time convincing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► people of this back in the 2001 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► because they were saying well you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► use the web browsers regret I use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► all the time and I like tabs and cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► stuff like that and I use Windows which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► doesn't exactly behave this way and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► fine with it in fact I like Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► Explorer and I like browsing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► browsing is all well and good but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► difficult to convince people especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3118">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► people who hadn't used the Mac for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► that time that the the spatial way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► doing things is good abstractly they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► just don't get it but today I can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► springboard which is the thing you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► when you turn on an iPhone with a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► grid of icons right that is a spatial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► interface you pick where you want those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► little icons to go by dragging them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► around or whatever and they don't move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► after you put them there and when new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► ones appear they get tacked on to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► end or whatever but like stuff stays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► where you put it and you have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► screens in them and it's like left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► right you know it's not it's a limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► spatial world does not really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► they added folders but you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► go into them but even within the folders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► it's like a little arrangement you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► and it's a series of screens it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► spatial metaphor of like screen one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► screen - it's a big linear sideways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► one-dimensional list of screens where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► you can swipe back and forth through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► them there's no up and down folders is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► like another little portal into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► world you can look at one level deep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► it's another grid of icons um but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► things people are used to and if you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► like you know Safari in the upper left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► hand corner it didn't stay there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► would be pissed you can feel it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► your thumb go that's why your thumb can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3178">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► find these things when you pull out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► you're following your iPod your thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► finds the thing you want because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► where you put it you decide that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► it's gonna go and you get that muscle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► memory thing now now in the 4 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► remaining well are that's fine for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► Merlin moment which is where you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► have come in any point but Hatton that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► why I'm from Merlin moment is that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► that's fine in 1984 and we had seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► files but now we've got a bazillion file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► so all the spatial business is crap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► it's pointless and we shouldn't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► well I would point is as an example of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► it's value even though when you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► year 2000 in the next millennium and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► stuff but I keep coming back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► spatial recognition is still the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► efficient way you have to to recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► stuff if you have a lot of things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► have to fall back to less efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► methods yes so for example on iOS if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► have 8 bazillion apps and you can't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► them because you're sick of swiped into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► the screens you might resort to search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► but that's that's a resort if we said to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► launch any app you have to do search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► you'd say that that sucks give me back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► my little grid of icons right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► there may be better ways to do it than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► grid of icons but it's it's you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► a small number of things it's good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► we want to use that when we can and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► you happen to install more apps in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► you don't like rummaging around farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► than you can resort to search but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► it's still a fallback browsing would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► somewhere in the middle there where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► don't want to swipe around from screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► to screen you want to have some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► browsing interface where you can tap tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► tap and drill your way down to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► but you really don't have too much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► hierarchy and in iOS for that and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► finder is similar I think it should be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► hierarchy of things where and it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► is a Mac OS then where for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► applications in that goes down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► application to use the most for regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► people are in the dock that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► pretty much a spatial interface you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► them where you want them in the dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► they stay there the dock is always in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► the same place assuming you don't move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► it and that's your top level we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► finding stuff and if you have more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► that like most of us do you want some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► sort of second level let's go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► search and I use Quicksilver for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► where you know it's it's search but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► really really fast and it's limited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► just applications real like ok it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► in the dock but I know I have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► application let me do command space and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► type the first few letters the thing oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► there it is it returned right but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► that's the second level very very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► Quicksilver to launch an app that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► have in the dock maybe if they're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► on the keyboard and their hands aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► on the mouse they might find that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► efficient and in Lion they're adding one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► more intermediate layer there where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► not you don't see it in the dock well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► we'll give you like springboard and Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► right so it's its launch pad thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► they're going to give you essentially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► spatial view of all your applications in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► a grid presumably arranged in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► fashion I don't know if you can manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► alphabetical or whatever that it remains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► to be seen whether this will be truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► spatial but they don't want you to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► to resort to rummaging through the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► system and when it comes to rummaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► through the file system which we do do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► you could use a browser to do that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► you want I just have one window and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► don't really know where things are or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► you could do it the pseudo spatial way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► and hope you just don't get any browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► windows in between but the main pitch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► the spatial finder is that spatial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► interfaces is good are good and anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► you do something that makes them not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► work you're probably making a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► and so into the definer in particular I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► think it's a shame that they ditched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► simply because for many classes of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► that is still the most efficient method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► and there's no reason to forgo entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► add the other methods fine make search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► better add browsing fine but there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► reason to kill the spatial way and many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► reasons to keep it as evidence by I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► wasn't stuff for that that's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► what they started with before they even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► had search it was all staged and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► worked buying a work where can people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► loved it and found it easy to use so how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3389">TS</a>]
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00:56:36 ◼ ► this show because it makes sense we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► more time you would argue more maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3398">TS</a>]
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00:57:54 ◼ ► John have a great Memorial Day weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpknVnr4/3474">TS</a>]