00:00:01 ◼ ► this is hypercritical episode number 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► this is a weekly talkshow ruminating on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/5">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► exactly what is wrong in the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/7">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► businesses my co-host John siracusa of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/11">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► Ars Technica and elsewhere insists that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► nothing is so perfect that he can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/18">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► complain about it I tend to agree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/19">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► i'm dan benjamin and john we'd like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► quickly will tell you more about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/27">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► later but the first one is sound studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/29">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► monitor we'll get to those during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/36">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► show hi John hi Dan how are you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► great been a long week a lot of lot has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► happened yeah I think I've forgotten it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/46">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► all already but we don't need to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/48">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► when we need to talk about if people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/53">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► last we show a very very speculative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► about what the third company is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/58">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► before that there's follow-up there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► lot of follow-up there always is there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► a good two three hours of follow-up well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► I'll try to do it fast as usual you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/69">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► ready yeah I'm ready I'm told I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/71">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► talking about criticism online and off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/76">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► more or less and I thought last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/79">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► show was kind of a microcosm of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► sort of in an inception kind of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/85">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► because I started the show talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/88">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► how I had written this you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► blog post about criticism and how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► tweeted about it and said something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► I thought was silly and then some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/96">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► took it seriously right and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/99">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► kind of like an example with this like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/102">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► gap between like the intention of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► audience's interpretation so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/106">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► just a tweet right well and last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► show we had one person who took ah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/109">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► know interpreted what we said in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/114">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► different way that then we definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► intended to be so I thought we'd address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► that now okay let's do it yeah so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► was a I threw out a reference to an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/121">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► SNL sketch about sexual harassment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/125">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► somewhere in the middle of last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/126">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► references like that are kind of risky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/131">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► everyone has seen all the same TV shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/135">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► as you and this was an old SNL clip if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► remember it wasn't in 2005 or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► it wasn't like a recent thing but either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► way usually when a pop culture reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/144">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► doesn't land because people don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► what you're talking about that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/147">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► big deal but in this case if you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► catch the reference it sounded like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► point I was making was exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► opposite of the point down this way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► in the show notes today I have a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/156">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► the actual Saturday Night Live sketch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► that I was referencing it was a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► corporate seminar film about sexual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► harassment um and one reader thought we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/164">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► were endorsing sexual harassment right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► work wait what are you endorsing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► though no that is exactly the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► and what I was doing it it's also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► opposite of what this ayat live sketch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/176">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► is doing so if you go and look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► YouTube video alright so even now so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► I've given you the context on the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/182">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► on a live video and you're saying all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► clearly he endorses this video so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► go to the video and you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► description also does not agree with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/191">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► he's he's taking away from this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► video that he has posted the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► opposite point that I took away from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/199">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► so to further clarify lest you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► this video and read the description and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/203">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► say oh my god he agrees with the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/204">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► posted this video I do not agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► the guy who posted that video he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► what is that I think I would quote from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/209">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► in here yeah I'm not gonna quote him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/210">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► something sexual harassment is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/216">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► response of the person has to and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/217">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► I think that is the exact opposite of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► the point of the sketch that the writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► intended and certainly what I intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/224">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► the point of the sketch as I see it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► that the reception of your actions does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► not determine whether something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/233">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► actions themselves and I thought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► was pretty clear because like at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► of the sketch they have the handsome guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/240">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► Tom Brady was hosting the show he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► handsome guy walk up to Homans desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► wearing his underwear and the woman's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► like oh hi how you doing she takes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► that's humors way of trying to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► underwear is not okay even if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► handsome and the fact that some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/257">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► think it's okay that's the joke the joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► so now that I've sucked every ounce of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► humor out of that sketch by trying well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► why go watch it anyway go watch it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► funny it's an oldie it's a goodie that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► what I was referring to I'm not pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► sexual harassment all right we got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► out of the way I think I think so yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► would get emails about how bad the skit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/278">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► actually was I thought it was anyway uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► related to that is something I forgot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► bring up and there's a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/286">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► that I forgot to bring up in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► show is that I listen to all of my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► shows I know a lot of people over on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/293">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► podcast don't listen themselves there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► can't list themselves or find it painful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/297">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► you know but I listen to every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► one the shows that I'm on and yes it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► very painful to do that especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/304">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► in the beginning when you're not used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► hearing your own voice and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► but eventually you get over that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► just deal with the Kermit factor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► just listen but the reason I'm listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► is the same reason I talked about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► last show that I want to hear what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/316">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► doing wrong so that I can fix it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/317">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► doesn't mean that I'm fixing it every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► single time but it means that I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► how do I know how I'm doing if I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► listen to myself you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/326">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► and so in the course of listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► last week's show I saw that I misspoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/329">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► like 50 different times like I called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► something Amazon App Engine when App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/332">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► Engine and obviously belongs to Google I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/333">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► say PowerBook all the time a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► people do this but I mean you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► are also these are nitpicky things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► aren't really worth right but this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► well I think it's worthwhile because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/343">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► want to listen oh you know I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► go into all my podcasting flaws but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► only way you're gonna get better is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/348">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► it's gonna have it you are right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/349">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► listen to what what it's like to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► to yourself and I do listen to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/354">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► podcast so I feel like I have a baseline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/355">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► level of you know what I'm supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► be doing what I'm not supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/359">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► doing right and I guess if you really if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/360">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► it really bothers you to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/365">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► yourself then then you know it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► for your not to but I feel like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► big part of being able to improve it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► it's like writing something and refusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► to read what you write because you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► it too embarrassing that's the time line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► you should read it now to learn from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► your mistakes all right um there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/379">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► another whole thread for the criticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► thing that I didn't get into I'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/386">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► try to go through it briefly and skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► the rest of the follow up okay because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► don't want to talk about microwave ovens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/391">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► you know I actually do oh you do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/392">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► right well I'll try to do this fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/396">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► enough so we can talk about microwave uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► one of the things about blogging online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► criticism that I wanted to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► was the inclination of the author like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► given the same event what what is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► somebody's reaction to it what are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► what are they interested in writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/414">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► about on their blog for example and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/415">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► inclination your angle on stories will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► give you can give you a reputation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► for example Gruber is the most obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► one where a lot of people label him as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/426">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► fanboy mmm you've talked about out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► this on the show with him it because his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/430">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► inclination is when something happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► it's related to the things that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/435">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► writes about he will look for he will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/436">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► criticize the people who are criticizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/441">TS</a>]
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00:07:28 ◼ ► thing is bad and explain why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► wrong right I would say that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/450">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► accurate and there yet the Mac elope is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/453">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► ever-elusive Mac elope who has a column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/458">TS</a>]
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00:07:42 ◼ ► idiotic person who said the stupidest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► thing and just tear them apart Gruber's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► is less humor based more serious like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► he'll he'll talk about this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► he'll address the serious criticisms for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/470">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► people who are you know more versed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/471">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► the field occasionally he'll pick on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► idiots too um now I come up come at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► from the other way most of the time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► Apple does something I'm looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► what is it about what they did that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► bad and then I will complain about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► right now you would think this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► this would line min bian Gruber up to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► constantly at odds because if every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► something happens I'm going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/495">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► what's wrong with what Apple did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► he's going to criticize the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/498">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► are saying that Apple did something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► wrong but in reality we tend not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/501">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► cross paths like that and it's it's know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► why is then it's mostly because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/504">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► were to talk to both of us about most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► issues I think we would probably agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/510">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► it's just that he's concentrating on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► side I'm concentrating on the other in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/513">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► most cases when he does link to me he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► agree with my criticism or maybe have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► one or two things to say with it say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► about it but what the end result for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► reader is like oh Gruber's a fanboy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/522">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► then I'm a hater right so everything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► know you hate Apple you must be a PC you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► know I used to get that way back on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/527">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► date I don't get it that much now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/528">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► think people have figured out that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► actually a Mac user but big time when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► first started writing is that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► never used in Agra for in your life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/535">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► you must love ms-dos or and you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/536">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► in reality just two sides of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► coin you know where I'm you know what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/543">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► choose to focus on doesn't mean that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► you took those two pieces together like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/550">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► the things that he says that the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► doing good mostly I agree with and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► things that I'm saying that apples doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/555">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► is bad mostly he's agree he agrees but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► this is just where we decide to focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► it's a you're almost saying it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► sort of the same issues but you focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/562">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► right and isn't you know he's picking on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► the criticisms that are stupid and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/571">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► hoping that I'm given criticisms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/572">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► are not stupid and the things that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► saying that are really good I'm not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/576">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► know I'm not counteracting them I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► I'm not saying that you know that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► interested in talking about what's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► now occasionally if you look like my Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► os10 reviews I will go off and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► a couple paragraphs or page or two about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► something that's really good I do tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► to do that it's just not my inclination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► you know it's not my inclination to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► you know I guess I'm more into negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► reinforcement and again this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► corporations into analysis of tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► industry I think both approaches are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► perfectly valid and I think it's unfair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► that either one of us gets the labels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► that we tend to get that he gets labeled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/611">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► as a fanboy that I get labeled as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► hater who just you know complains about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/614">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► everything right but it really just has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► to do with the part of the issue that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► find interesting I like I read all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► same things about people criticizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/623">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► Apple and being stupid about it I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► explaining why they're stupid because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► for me it's kind of like well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► can't see that it's stupid yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/632">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► probably nothing I'm going to say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/633">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► going to convince you when it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/634">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► worth my time to try to do so but other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► people make different value judgments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/637">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► about that and or they you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► find humor value in it or they can they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► somebody is wrong right you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► just different ways to look at the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► I guess but but again I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► ridiculous that people get put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/653">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► little corners and given labels based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► the aspect of issues they decide to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/659">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► at and not based on like what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► total opinion is like if you were to if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/662">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► someone who labels me a hater was to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/663">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► down and talk to me for five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► that would realize that I love Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► so dollars and have wonderful things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► say about lots of things that they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/671">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► it's just not what I choose to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/672">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► microwaves yes we'll skip over the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► of this and go right to microwaves what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► microwaves I have a lot of snippets here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► from feedback we've gotten well yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► mean we got all that we got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/686">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► feedback surprisingly I think we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► more feedback that in in in one way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► another focus is on microwave so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► might get it we might get something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► where the someone write in and say Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► John you're wrong about this but I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► with you about this and then at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/701">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► PS I live in X country in Europe and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/702">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► have everybody I know has a microwave I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► have a microwave I've had one since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► was in grad school and then for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► one of those we get we'll get another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/714">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► one that says not only don't we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► microwaves we don't have central heating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/717">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► in there that's a fair representation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/718">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► it right yeah a lot of people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► trying to gather up stats which I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► useful but I don't really care that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► about who has microwaves or don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► know especially since these stats are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► from different years and not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/736">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► comparable to each other and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► that so it some of the information we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► got was basically the u.s. really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► have a lot of microwaves per capita [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/744">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► percentages but slightly less yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► of course we got you know your people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► coming in the people who are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/755">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► tell us that they have a different kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► of eating style and diet plan and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/758">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► but what we do you know I mean we've to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► be completely honest we use being being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► on the kind of diet that we're on we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► a microwave very in a very limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► capacity and I realize most of what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► could prob we could probably do without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► it we could probably have no problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/777">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► without a microwave at all these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/778">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► the few years ago you know we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► definitely heating up heating up stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► in there but what happens if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► quickly steam some vegetables you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► throw them in there it's convenient you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/789">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► know something like that but apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/790">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► that a lot of people are at they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/792">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► of microwaves as being a distinctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► American phenomenon even though they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► some number in their country or in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► their area or in their circle they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► of it as being a very American thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► sort of typifies everything that's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► with America the instant gratification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► the instant you know the ease of use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► disposable philosophy that they perceive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/818">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► Americans to have and the poor quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► of the food like processed for us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/827">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► putting the microwave is some horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/830">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► you know not that necessarily has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► the case but it's associated with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► actions that the worst processed foods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► and frozen foods you know you can heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► them up in the microwave right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/839">TS</a>]
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00:20:42 ◼ ► that spirit I'm going to let you as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► try to guess what you think the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► significant challenge what I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► say is the most significant challenge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► these companies so we're gonna start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► with Google mmm like this is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► easy one what do you think you can give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► your opinion or you can try to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► what I'm going to say what is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1258">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► significant challenge to to Google as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► company at this point when you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► challenge you mean the thing that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► need to do well it's like what's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► with them like what's wrong with are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► they doing everything perfectly do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► have some sort of problem what's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► with all these things what's wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► the company if you have to pick one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► thing and get these are all companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► that are massively successful that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► really awesome companies that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► are by any standard doing almost almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► everything right and that's why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► interesting to find the one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► things that they're doing wrong you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► I don't think it's possible for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► guess what you're going to say so I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► you just give your own opinion I'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► my own opinion of what I think it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► thing that strikes me as being the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► wrong with Google is that I I don't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► feel like they have a single focus or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► single track that unifies all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► different projects products and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► focuses that they they need a focus if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► you look at what Apple is doing as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► company that has a supremely sharp focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► and compare that to what Google is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► Google has so many different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► going on and it seems to me that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► they suffer because of that they're sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► of if you ever heard the term monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► mind how about that term it's a great we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► could talk about that at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► little monkey running around in a jungle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► somewhere he runs over he looks at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► ants running around then he goes over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► climbed up the tree bounces off the tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► jumps onto the other tree jumps off his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► brother's back does a backflip rolls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► around on the ground looks at the ants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► again grab some seeds from a tree and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► can't get his hand out of the tree drops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► isn't you know this is that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► thing that a monkey does he's never he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► never focused and because he's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► focused these things that they do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► can they can be successful like Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► have been successful but they also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► these very strange and and in some cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► huge missteps these huge mistakes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► they make and it doesn't seem like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► have a single unified vision so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► would mean what I say is that what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► you say so that's it's interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► what you ended up talking about is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► I'm going to end up talking about too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► but coming at it from entirely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► directions so I'm going to start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► what I think most people would say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► business analyst on the business side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► would is wrong with Google and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► actually went around the web you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► like last week or so it's being passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► around the blogs and the shownotes link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► that link to Gruber's link to the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► story in the New York Times and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► business analyst would say that what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► wrong with Google is that if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► its balance sheet you'll see that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► advertising and just on a plain business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► diversified enough like you're putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► all your eggs in one basket even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► you have all these different things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► you do it like so your your a complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► was that they're too scattered and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► focused on anything right and then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► complaining the other side is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► business side that they're too focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► on one count sheet yeah their balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► sheet is is not diversified enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► they're making all their money from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► thing and that makes them vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► extremely vulnerable to any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► perturbance in the advertising world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► right but I'm not going to say that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► the the thing that's not the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► problem that's like a symptom and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► reason for that is if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► Apple if you try to apply the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► yardstick to them they're their income [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► looks diversified if you chop it up by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► product fine but if you just look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► in terms of like how they make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► money they make all right similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► percentage like not as high as 96 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► like 90 percent they make from hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► no one really categorizing hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► then software and other services they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► make about 90 percent of their of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► revenue from hardware oh they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► diversified well you say they have seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► they're very diversified of iPods iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► introduce new product lines all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► significant revenue sources so it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► they're not vulnerable to for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► weakness in the mp3 player Margaret if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► they just had the iPod that market has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► sort of gone down in terms of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► stagnated and the margins are not as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► as they used to be right but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► diversify but it's still hardware and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► you said the same thing about Google you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► advertising I said well this all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1498">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► of ads those mobile ads and people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► phones there's ads and search results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► there's ads on the products that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► you know on the sidebar of all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► popular products and stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► I think the too much of your revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► from one source thing is a red herring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► because Google would just use the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► argument that Apple does to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► actually are reasonably diversified and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► I think advertising and hardware are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► just too vague terms to say that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► not diversified without any more details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► but the real problem I think is related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► to not not that they have so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► their money coming from one thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► what that one thing is and since the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► thing is advertising I think they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► REIT problem the root problem is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► have too few customers and that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► silly very you know everybody uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► Google and it seems like they have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► know so what do you mean qualify matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► what do you mean to to you but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► customers you know the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► using search are not the customer to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► old cliche I have no idea who said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► and I tried to look it up and could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► track to the origin but basically if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► you're not paying for it then you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► product all right so everyone is using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► Google for search they are not Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► customers schools customers are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► advertisers and there aren't that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► advertisers in the world compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► number of people in the world that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► of makes sense like if there was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► know 90% of the world where advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► who would they be advertising to there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► is a limited number of people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► goods and services to advertise and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► want to advertise them to millions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► millions of people so Google's actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► customers the people who pay Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► money are advertisers and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► there aren't a lot of them now let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► compare that the Apple where Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► customers are the customers they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► make you know a little hardware widget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► they can sell you and they want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► it appealing to the customer and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► customer gives the money directly it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► direct relationship between the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► with the money gives them gives Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► the money and they get the piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► hardware and Apple makes you know 90% of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► type of thing oh and but Google on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► other hand is motivated many things the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► advertisers like because what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► them is advertisers hand them money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► they hand the advertisers an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► to sell their goods in a way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► like now obviously advertisers like lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► of customers so there's an indirect link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► to making customers happy but it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► of like advertisers give us the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► and in exchange we give the advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► what they want and what they want is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► access to a lot of customers therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► we have to make something that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► customers will use therefore we make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► something the customers like mmm that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► a much more indirect link then Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► to make a piece of art where that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► customer is going to give them money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► you know and this makes me think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► has something to do with why so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Google products fail this is the monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► mind thing I guess where they make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► know all sorts of little things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► make wave to make Orkut they make buzz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► Google Google Buzz I mean they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► all sorts of things all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► right you know but their batting average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► is not great when they have hits they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► have hits with it but they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► certainly not as good as Apple's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► when Apple comes up with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► significant it's a big story if it fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► so Google's just doing you know going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► a million directions at once I mean just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► I can't even just try think of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► things that Google is doing with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► scanning books and so not every our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► self-driving cars is an example but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► you know everything that they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► there and you know I mean I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► they've got more money than most other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► companies do so why not invest a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► bit of that into many different areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► but even in the areas that we know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► they focus on like for example web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► application space they still have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► of you know they've got a couple big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► like for example search and Mail but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► they've had a whole lot of fouls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► mediocre things like Google Apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► stuff like that yeah and the thing is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► think the reason that comes is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► Google's expertise is not in building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► products that consumers like Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► expertise seems to be in monetizing its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► hits all right so they make tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► tons of products for consumers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► they're not great at it so their average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► is not good but when they get a hit boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► they really good at monitoring that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► thing and making money off of it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► selling access to it to advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► I think that is that sort of encapsulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► why Google acts the way it does why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► seem to be monkey minded why the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► that they're driving all the revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► from advertising is bad it's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► it's it's not diversified it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► being in the advertising business is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► you know it's a bad relationship with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► consumers now obviously it's maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► a good relationship with advertisers if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► I was an advertiser I'd be say this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► not a problem for Google and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► someone has to serve the advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► community but what it leaves the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► vulnerable to is someone who's better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► making the same kind of services eating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► their lunch by making a service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► people like better than Gmail for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► example and finding some way to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► money from customers for it now again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► that's that's a challenge I mean when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► talk about Apple in the online world we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► talked about how it's really hard to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► money directly from consumers for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► that you do online it's possible but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► people haven't really cracked that code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► yet maybe it has to be a cultural change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► expectations of the consumers so for now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► Google is the king but I would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► the fact that it has so few actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► customers leaves it a possibility of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► being held captive by those customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► that they spend too much time serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► the advertisers and not enough time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► serving the consumers because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► just a second level concern hmm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► that's Google Facebook yeah I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► Facebook this is an interesting one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► because if you ask people they think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► wrong with Google maybe they'll come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► with like the privacy advertising stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► maybe if they're in the business I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► talk about the revenue but Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► people a lot tons of complaints about oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► yeah have that have little to do with I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► think the company and more to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► when something is popular everyone's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► some complaint of that no well that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► would be some of the big complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► you'd expect to hear about Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► obviously privacy is one of them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► wouldn't even go with I said the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► one would be for like user two off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► street that that they're annoyed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► something in Facebook and God knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► it would be the like they don't like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► that you change the redesign they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► like how you can't reply to this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► or how someone can delete your comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► or how you can't delete that like little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► petty things that really aren't what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► wrong with the company but just but from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► the fact that if once you have millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► do something everyone's going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► complaint about it's kind of like back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► in the days of Windows when everyone had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► to complain about Windows because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► everyone had to use Windows and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► Windows was you know not great do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► use Facebook I I signed up for Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► way back when so you have an account you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► just don't use it I just do not use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► which is bad because a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► do use it you know or sending me things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► and then getting upset because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► replying but I log onto Facebook maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► once a month you know quickly retreat so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► the way I think I'm going to come at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► this Facebook thing is to do one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► nother one of those let's go back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► time type of things and try to compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► Facebook to some similar phenomenon so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► let's talk about the history of PCs very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► briefly so way back when you know nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► had no know individuals had computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► and then the personal computer stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► started to happen and very in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► those early days you had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► different competitors sort of jockeying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► for position like you had things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► probably young people have never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► of today but it was the homebrew thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► where you try to make your own computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and there was the Altair and the helmet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► or Texas Instruments Tandy RadioShack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► used to have make computers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► there was Atari all sorts of things sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► of jockeying for position in like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► know now we're the king well now I hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► there's a great new you know Commodore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► pet coming out but then the Tandy's is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► contender to write lots of Trading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► Places lots of you know activity going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► computers that stage and when you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► like the winner like you had the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► computer though you know what was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► called was a context back then whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► whatever the you know the west coast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► computer fair with an e at the end you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► you had the best-in-show but you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► really win much like you got you got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► biggest slice of what was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► really tiny pie so there was lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► motion back then you know in any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► early industry expected before there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► any sort of consult consolidation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► then you had sort of like the maturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► of the personal computer you had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► Apple 2 versus the IBM PC eventually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► the Mac and that was kind of like where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/1979">TS</a>]
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00:35:56 ◼ ► whatever and they they they got run over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2156">TS</a>]
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00:37:44 ◼ ► it was Facebook was slightly nicer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2264">TS</a>]
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00:39:10 ◼ ► here is that the bad things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► victors become sort of entrenched aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► enshrined in the and it businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► Microsoft like they won the battle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► the desktop they were everywhere right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► but every bad thing about Microsoft was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► so hey so if they have any problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► their victim of their own success you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► know so the windows everywhere was their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► strategy and then you know serve them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► well they got windows to go everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► all right but windows everywhere is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► a good strategy when the internet comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► we're gonna make the Internet run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► Windows and we'll use Windows Server as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► well servers haven't really been our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► strengths and I don't know how come the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► internet really doesn't seem to need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► Windows but no no windows everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► kind of mostly miss the the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► revolution there hi and the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► with mobile like mobile that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► Mobile is a next big thing well can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► mobile I guess we can make Windows we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► have Windows on tablets we have Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► CE II for consumer electronics but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► know Windows Mobile C it's right in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► name Windows Mobile how about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► Windows Phone no they and it does it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► not even a technology thing it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► platforms that they built it serve them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► so well the windows API win32 getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► all those developers and everything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► that it just they couldn't apply that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► same stuff to the mobile space as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► and you know they just couldn't get over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► the hump maybe they will in the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► and Windows Phone we'll see how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► turns out but so far it's not going that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► entanglements like so I like to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► when you when you have lots of demanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► customers like all these companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► have Windows PCs on their desks they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► dictate to Microsoft more or less that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► you know you can't change too much too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► fast hmm and sometimes changing too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► too fast is what you need to do to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► on to the next big thing so this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► fit you know Microsoft became ossified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► and it's in its desktop victory state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► now in Facebook's case this is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► complaint that you'd hear from nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► about Facebook is that is that it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► participant in the web you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► mean it's kind of like an AOL where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► you go into Facebook and when you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► Facebook there's a bunch of stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► that world but the outside web is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► foreign thing so you don't see lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► deep links into Facebook right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► you can't see this person's page unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► you're a friend of them so why bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► giving a link it's like a separate thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► it's kind of like going into AOL where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► you log in day oh well this is world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► keywords and these special things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► whatever they're doing and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► the outside web well in the web itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► Facebook which is other little island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► that you're going into all right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► know if that's going to be a long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► definitely sort of defines what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► doing you know like that's what Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► is like and if that ever becomes a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► problem for them I'm not sure they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► turn turn that ship fast enough to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► no no seriously we're a good web citizen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► we have you know permanent URLs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► everything you know your data is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► just our data it's your data and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► see your Facebook comment anywhere for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► forever and you can search on it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► on and so forth versus once you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► inside our walled garden you just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► whatever you do and we own all your data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► hmm and and you can't get to it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► outside and the other thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► they're free so we've got the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► situation as Google where the users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► the product there and they're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► they're making money somehow but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► not from the users people aren't paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► to use Facebook and again so far that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► hasn't been a problem for online things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► in fact that seems to be the only way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► go from mass-market online things but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► it does become a problem they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► to be in the same situation as Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► where their their customers are not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► customers and if someone figures out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► to make the customers the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► they're vulnerable to that now what does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► Facebook vulnerable to they vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► to a Netscape type of situation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► Netscape came along and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► freaked out and had that internet tidal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► wave memo and all sorts stuff yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► and they put down Netscape you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► they think they put it out of its misery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► they rose to that challenge that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► know panic scrambled and then they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► rid of Netscape more or less Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► Explorer triumph right so maybe Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and can fight off some challengers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► that but eventually you know they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► you right so when Google came along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► Microsoft really had no answer to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► all right and when Facebook faces it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► Google maybe when it faces its Netscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► it might be able to to be nimble about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► it but when it faces its Google perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► and that's basically like I had the boil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► down I would say that Facebook just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► doesn't seem nimble all right it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► even less nimble than Microsoft was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► problems was willing to at least try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► do what it takes when the internet came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► along they tried to turn the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► company as fast as they could and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► a reasonable job of it and the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► thing with mobile they're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► that now and I did like Facebook you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► all these complaints about Facebook but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► they don't seem to change direction in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► response to the complaints maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► thing they don't have - maybe they going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► in the right direction already but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► just don't seem like if they had any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► sort of serious challenger they would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► able to change direction now just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► Microsoft there was no one was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► dethrone Microsoft from the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► right but that wasn't the challenge that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► it had to be worded it had to be worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► about when it didn't matter that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► owned the desktop and then what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► do so eventually this is this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► the proper haps the weakest complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► about any couple maybe until the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► one eventually Facebook will say we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► the victors of social networking but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► then social networking won't matter in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► something else will Twitter kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► looks a little bit like a Netscape to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► or there like a challenger to Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► because they're a different thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► they're they're not playing the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► so far I think Facebook tried to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► them once but so far twitter hasn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► a problem but when when when Facebook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► Google does come along I have little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► faith that the company is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► nimble enough to turn their little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► advertisers pay us to get access to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► users information business model is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► going to survive so that's Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► already problem until how long will that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► I don't know it's like Microsoft had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► quite a rain didn't they it was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► know 10 years a long time right so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► so long that it was almost unimaginable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► that they wouldn't be where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► yeah and that's that's the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► effect like when you build up that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► people when the majority of eligible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► people in the United States are using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► your service no challenge was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► come from behind right it swamp you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► some massive victory what's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► happen is that your victory will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► will become less important and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► game will change and the game will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/2725">TS</a>]
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00:53:04 ◼ ► you should watch this this very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3184">TS</a>]
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00:53:08 ◼ ► about the founding of Pixar but mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► about how Pixar faced its challenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► like when Pixar had many trials and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► tribulations that from the outside you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► would not imagine that they had because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► we just see the results and the results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► are wonderful these great movies right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3200">TS</a>]
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00:53:25 ◼ ► make these great movies time and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► again and what are the problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3206">TS</a>]
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00:53:32 ◼ ► tweet was saying you know the Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► developed a process to engineer art and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► Edie cat moles talk talks about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► process he's an engineer he was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► a technical guy not a business guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► just became a business guy because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► was the founder of the company and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► took a technical approach to to doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► business stuff you know it's like let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► find something that went wrong think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► a solution for it and then formalize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► solution to prevent the problem from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3239">TS</a>]
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00:54:07 ◼ ► part of your process and they want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3247">TS</a>]
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00:54:10 ◼ ► repeatable process all right they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► they don't want touchy-feely kind of let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► the artist do his work because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► not predictable process is predictable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► and an engineering approach is to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3259">TS</a>]
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00:54:23 ◼ ► things that we that are creatives find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► are good the process is broken so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► adjust the process now see how income [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► with this so this approach produces all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► the movies that we've seen these Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► movies and it just it it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► triumph of engineering to say that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► can engineer creativity by taking an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► engineering approach to something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► used to be purely within the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► emotions that like that like take motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► out of the equation and this in the Ed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► Catmull speech you'll see lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► situations where they threw away a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► tremendous amount of work they had done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► which you know is not what artists will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► want to do they will fight for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► creation forever and but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► engineering approach and saying no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► have to throw this out it's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► that's a Steve Jobs approach getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► back to the criticism thing of just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► letting anything that's not good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3312">TS</a>]
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00:55:26 ◼ ► just do not let the failures out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3326">TS</a>]
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00:55:32 ◼ ► gives you is a to do like Pixar which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► average of product is better than anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3337">TS</a>]
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00:55:42 ◼ ► studio or another another entity that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► has produced a higher average quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► you know just movie after movie after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► movie to average them together just head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► and shoulders but above everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3351">TS</a>]
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00:55:55 ◼ ► Lasseter another was he a founder of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► Pixar he was one of the early creatives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► brought in and how he said he's a bigwig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► at Pixar brain a stylist he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► running it for a long time for de-facto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► running in right because you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► jobs isn't there because he's at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► or whatever so Lassiter's running things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► and he's a creative rent and his hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► that he talks about all the time one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► his his animation Heroes is a Miyazaki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3375">TS</a>]
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00:56:25 ◼ ► Lasseter would he say that any Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► movie is as good or better than his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► favorite Miyazaki and if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3390">TS</a>]
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00:56:41 ◼ ► up to Pixar stands there that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3401">TS</a>]
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00:56:47 ◼ ► Miyazaki's work higher than the peaks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3407">TS</a>]
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00:56:57 ◼ ► failures but also preventing them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► having a transcendent success to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3419">TS</a>]
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00:57:06 ◼ ► I'm wondering if you even if you ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► John Lasseter the V Pixar guy would he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► would he agree would he say that he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► matched his hero in any particular way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► in any movie and would do what'd he say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► that he has surpassed his favorite you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3436">TS</a>]
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00:57:24 ◼ ► disadvantage may be that you can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► get that highest high because I think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3446">TS</a>]
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00:57:29 ◼ ► willing to have big failures you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► divergences that don't fit within your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► past experience your past experience is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3455">TS</a>]
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00:57:46 ◼ ► this happen because this will be bad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► that is killing the more sort of divert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► interesting ideas before they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► they get out the door now if you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► the Ed Catmull speech he talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► this this is obviously the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3478">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► approaches to acknowledge this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3479">TS</a>]
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00:58:02 ◼ ► creativity so we have to let people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► know bring in new blood bring in fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► people don't shoot down a just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► I'm not what we haven't done before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► I have to think that that approach that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► that when I see this numb this many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► consistently good movies coming out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► sickness in the company that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3498">TS</a>]
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00:58:23 ◼ ► they have the transcendent success you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► have to be allow for the big failures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► and the fact they haven't had a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► failure makes me think that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► problem with their process hmm so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► almost you would almost feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► about Pixar if they had had a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► failure like yeah do something ambitious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► really really ambitious and have it fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► on its face right and because you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► think after this period of time it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► like you expect their second movie to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► that but they're this period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► surely they're you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► taking enough risks if you're not if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► you're never failing right and this gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► back to speech to one of the things he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► talks about in the speeches like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► what I'm saying is it it's not like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► saying Pixar is horrible or doom drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► like that is exact opposite of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► right but it doesn't mean that this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► thing I had to dig out this tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► nugget I had to dig out of you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► hard to think of anything wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► Pixar doesn't mean that this is any less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► dire than any more obvious thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► wrong with other companies and as Edie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► camel says in the speech success hides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► problems and the more successful you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► the bigger problems you can hide so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► fact that I that this never occurred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► engineering art phrase nothing doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► mean that this is not a real problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► it doesn't mean that this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► actually isn't is small it might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► big problem because they've had such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► massive success and the more successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► you are the more it hides problems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► that you know you can you know you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► my thing is like how long can Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► how long can Pixar possibly make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► same great movies over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► like will they ever fail and at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► certain point the culture of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► don't have a failure instead of make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► sure the next movie is just the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► I don't know if there at that point yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► what I hear from inside you know Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► about their plans and everything sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► to me like they know that this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► issue and they're actively working to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► fight it like when they brought in Brad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► Bird for The Incredibles for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► like they know that they need to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► they know like make our next movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► completely unlike any movie we've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► made before you know bringing new people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► to do it people who are not constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► by the ideas of our previous movies but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► yeah yeah like I said the fact that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► don't see any big flops the fact that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► don't see any super ambitious product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► but you know that falls on its face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► makes me think they're not risking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► enough but so but if you look at if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► look at what they did with Toy Story 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► that was that was that risk that moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► only the first one is you know is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► big risk you know just registering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► continuing to push the envelope in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► way so what would that look like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► would a big risk look like well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► what I was going to ask I mean would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► for example again you don't say you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► to do any of these things I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► trying to think of things that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► diverged so a big divergence would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► movie that's not for kids obviously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► think they did The Incredibles that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► PG but the seriously a movie for adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► you know another risk would be a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► in a genre that they that had they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► never done before like trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► photo realism not because that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► what you should do because animation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► bad but just because it's the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► of what they've done so far and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► these may be bad ideas but if some if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► someone has some inspiration to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► something great based on one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► ideas I wouldn't I would like to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► that idea run with instead of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► tried but then you know thrown away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► because it wasn't good enough or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► reworked or just you know we want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► out a solid product but we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► willing to risk you on you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► at some point it's gonna be someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► has some crazy idea that's so good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► that everyone at Pixar disagrees with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► right and I would like to see that guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► given a chance to do what he wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► despite the fact that everyone thinks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► going to be a disaster just in case it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► something amazing when you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► single guy like Miyazaki I think he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► a higher level of control there and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► can do his duds where he's like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► really into you know cats and I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► to do a movie about that no it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► great you know so he has hits and misses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► individuals like but an organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► sort of smooths out the lumps but I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► to see those lumps on these lumps stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► up I'm not so interested in a lot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► the values that go down the the duds I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► not saying I need to have a bad movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► you know I want to see those Peaks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► poke out and I think you need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► the valleys to get the peaks not dare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► you yeah you know like I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► have said this three years ago four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► years ago but Pixar has been around for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► a long time now and it's just something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► beyond the chat room brought cars to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► know nothing about cars too and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► suspect that Pixar's magic is that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► though you think Cars 2 is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► dumb and it's just a sequel it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► in the title they do what no one else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► does and you make a good sequel like Toy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► Story 2 is fantastic Toy Story 3 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► fantastic and movies with numbers after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► them are supposed to get worse and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► horrible and they're not because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► Pixar's process they're not but Cars 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► does not make me think this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► be the transcend most amazing movie the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► Lassiter is finally going to agree is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► better than his favorite Miyazaki movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► you know what I mean yeah no I hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► there and I actually haven't I I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► previews of cars too I'm not I'm not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► love with it but I don't I don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► like that qualifies as being a flop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► because it it doesn't strike me as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► movie that's taking a risk and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► know I mean I think when they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► they're making Toy Story 2 it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► you can't do that man Toy Story 1 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► just so perfect why do you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► and make a sequel but if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► something new and interesting to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► can do a sequel well but it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► difficult for a sequel to sort of break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► through and reach new heights it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► sequels can be better than the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► like I think Toy Story 2 in many ways is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► better than Toy Story 1 and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► would make the same argument for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► but it's not like an order of magnitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► better whereas if somebody wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► like an adult murder mystery in in CG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► that and it's fantastic and it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► wins the Academy Award for Best Picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► above live-action movies or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► like that's the type of victory that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► talking about now that is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► happen that if they're not willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► take the risk of just falling on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► face and the rienne again the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► think they're not taking the risk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► falling on the face is because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► haven't over such a long period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► surely if they were risking falling on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► their face they would have done it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► maybe maybe no become more optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► about them than you are it's not no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► didn't get I don't think so this is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► know Pixar is doomed but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3877">TS</a>]
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01:05:13 ◼ ► whatever app or or platform you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3913">TS</a>]
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01:05:19 ◼ ► your news reader should be smart enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3919">TS</a>]
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01:06:09 ◼ ► where there's no dialogue and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► as it's risky I keep kids attention but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3970">TS</a>]
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01:06:19 ◼ ► comedy to kids and keep their attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3979">TS</a>]
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01:06:30 ◼ ► wall-e but I I'm not as impressed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► that it wasn't it wasn't as subtle as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/3993">TS</a>]
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01:06:42 ◼ ► character is an old guy but then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► put in the cute kid anyway so there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► someone for the little kids in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► audience to relate to yeah and the risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► is showing that sequence it ends in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4008">TS</a>]
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01:06:53 ◼ ► children were by that opening segment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► our ones going to tell me right into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► their kid cried during that part but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► was I think it was more devastating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4018">TS</a>]
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01:07:02 ◼ ► being married and you know Ramona little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► kids and stuff like that right so adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► have more of a line into that thing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► if the kids cried about it too because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► they didn't like it when they that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► old lady died but that was that was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► aimed at the adult so I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► was a risk to do something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► because I didn't think kids were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► to leave that knot I didn't think was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► risk obviously was a risk but it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► the type of we may fall on our face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► completely risk because I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► told anyone you were going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► they would say yeah I can see how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► can work because the kids you know won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► be too devastated by they won't leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► the theater crying and tears but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► parents will be drawn in and then we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► got them for the rest of the movie mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► it's easy to explain why that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► work it's not as easy to explain why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► think you know I don't let me think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► another crazy idea for Pixar I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► going about the photorealism simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► everyone says it's a horrible idea like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► do not do photo realism there's no point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► in it and the strength of animation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► that doesn't look like real life just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► not do it but you know that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► that's a pic for you know whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► need to do that and then do an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4078">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► genre you know - I don't know oh can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► think of a genre that would be the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► opposite of what Pixar has done I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► murder mystery but that might be too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► close gosh that's a tough question a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► photo realistic CG movie about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► Holocaust let's bring up the Hoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► singing cuz listeners love when I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► Gimli Schindler's List you know it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► Pixar right I never say this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► the worst idea ever first of all you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► doing it for realistic what the heck is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► live-action hack just a second of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► doing and doing anything having to with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► the Holocaust in animation is insulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► to the actual like it is a terrible idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► and they would never let that idea go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► through and it's exactly opposite of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► what they do and maybe it is a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► idea maybe that idea would fall on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► face but these the type of I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► think of the worst possible idea ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► these are the type of ideas that someday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► someone's going to happen on the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► you I don't how about the Godfather yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► crime drama yeah for adults only rated-r [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► more not a Yakuza thing it has to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► the American mob yes because has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► done in animation it's been great yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► so maybe that'll come by what is what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► Pixar's a next project I forget I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► it's a mob film for adults only no it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► was that every time I hear what the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► film was going to be I'm surprised so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► shows that they are innovating but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► fact that they have never ever failed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► and makes me suspect of this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► engineering art thing so what's next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► week's topic gonna be oh I gotta pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► the page we gotta take your time we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► getting down to just the ones that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► don't want to pick then you have to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► one oh I know you want the the third one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► because you've picked it many times your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► but I just don't have that much to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► about well maybe we do that and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► talked about we talked about toasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► the rest the time toasters I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► have to prep for that's a serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► serious topic so yeah yeah maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► could put some work into the show and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► the way for the people who brought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► up I'm speaking specifically about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► toaster ovens when I just say toasters I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► mean a toaster oven you're not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► about the kind where you put not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► about slot toasters which may also stink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► too but I just don't use them we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► tell I could talk about those enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► cover for it they all say well I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► add items to the list okay and we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► did a non tech show so we're not I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► yell at you about your called diets or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► anything like that right well I can but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► I'll do that off the air indeed all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► right so I get I guess that's it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► this one you don't you don't to say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► we're doing next week we'll leave it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► mystery they don't need to know yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► also for this this format of what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► wrong with X they're all jackals anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4246">TS</a>]
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01:10:51 ◼ ► come back to this this may be a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4251">TS</a>]
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01:10:55 ◼ ► decide what's wrong with you know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► decide I want to do what's wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► Dropbox or people have suggestions for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► companies or anything like that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► I like like thinking about this the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► popular the company the more beloved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► thing it is Dan and hey we can always do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► encryption oh we got to do that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk4_HYs/4271">TS</a>]
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