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00:00:13 ◼ ► John siracusa cannot complain about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/13">TS</a>]
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00:00:43 ◼ ► to photo case calm how are you John I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► pretty good it's good to be back here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► the virtual studio with you it's been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/50">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► did you talk about that on other shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► no just your just this show all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/58">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► well I'm like we need to go into it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/61">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► too much detail but you could post some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► disgusting pictures for the fans of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/64">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► trust me I'm too embarrassed to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► and we don't we'll just yeah we'll move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► on alright oh we get a lot of feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/71">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► about about this segment of the show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/75">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► follow-up segment we get more feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/78">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► about this than most of the topics it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► just seems that way I think was it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/83">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► like it's like 50/50 split some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► like it for the same reasons that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► it and some people don't like it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/88">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► same reasons that I think you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► oh I do listen that's the thing I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► I love the fuck I could do a hole I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► could do every show could be a follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► on the previous show I think we'd be do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/98">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► fine that would be the talk show then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► right it's just everything is talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► about what you talked about before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/104">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► you go around in circles and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/105">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► people just want us to get to the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/106">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► meat of the show right like immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► but it's not it's not how I operate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► got a circle back I like it no I for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► record I have no problem with the follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► I like the fall so let's get to it do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► so last week we did know iLife is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► island a medium amount of feedback about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/122">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► this I got a lot of feedback about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► from people who I know personally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► my relatives and wife and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► they are annoyed by it in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and one bit of information that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/137">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► bothered me for so long that I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/141">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► forgotten about it even if you ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► the server or the cloud or whatever else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► if you just have a single Mac even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► like Apple seems to want you to have but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► you have multiple accounts on it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► that very small sharing scenario Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► apps kind of fall down because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► supposed to you know switch from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/161">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► user to the other and keep your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► accounts and keep your stuff separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/164">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► which is great and everything but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► person's log into their account they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/169">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► can't connect the camera to pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/170">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► pictures off of it because our iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/171">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► libraries and the other person's account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► the thing that drove me nuts about fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► user switching way back when they first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► introduced it in 2003 was that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► have a husband and wife and who share a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/183">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► Mac what's in their house you both need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► to type your password to switch accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/187">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► you can't just like say okay if I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/189">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► logged into my account I give permission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/192">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► to automatically switch to this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► person's account and vice versa and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► here we are you know it makes fast user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► switching it puts more of a barrier on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► it I'm always trying to convince people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/202">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► like my parents and stuff to set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► separate accounts and I said well why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► don't we just both use the same account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► it's easier because they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/208">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► enter that password they don't wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/209">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► select from that menu it just puts a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/210">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► little you know impediment there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► once I finally get them over that hurdle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► now what I've done is said okay now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► because the iLife apps won't share your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/218">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► stuff I've done stuff with the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► directory in Mac OS 10 slash users slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► shared where the permissions are set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► by default to be friendly to users who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► share the same group and you can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► some stuff there like my music folders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/233">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► and user shared but in general the iLife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► doesn't have any way to share even on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► single machine so it's even deeper than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► oh I have multiple Macs and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► share or there's no cloud-based thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► and stuff like that even at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/248">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► simple level of a single machine with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/249">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► I actually filed a bug on that fast user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► switching thing back in 2003 still open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► I guess they're just never going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► yeah I I don't up on waiting on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► that's a radar three three nine zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/262">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► or listening go put it out of its misery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► something I think it was an enhancement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/271">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► request yeah that might be my oldest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► open blog because all my bugs from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/275">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► before that I think they finally closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/276">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► out alright um there's one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► just I saw it fly by in the chat room I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► show up saw it fly by and Twitter and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/283">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► think I actually retweeted it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/284">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► thought it was worth throwing in here as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► a follow up on the iPad stuff from two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► shows ago someone posted something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► the site called tech inch that I'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► Matthew gu a wife and I'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► try to pronounce and his article was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► iPad is the microwave oven of computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► hmm it's a short one page or a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► thing and it's pretty self-explanatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► kind of goes into how that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► microwave is this new thing that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► frivolous and it was initially expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/311">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► and people didn't understand why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► different ways in the kitchen already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► the heat up food and a lot of the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/316">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► press about microwaves was how you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/319">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► use it to like make an entire meal or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► make a souffle or bake a cake or do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► these things where they say look it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► complete replacement for for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► oven and we all know how this turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► microwaves are not complete replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► for other elements but now we all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/333">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► them for some reason even though before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► they were introduced they seem frivolous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► my takeaway from this article is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► this is certainly what Apple and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► techies hope the iPad will be and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► can see a lot of similarities I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/345">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► think you can make the case convincingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/346">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► oh wait wait five years and see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/351">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► pretty much everybody you know has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► sort of tablet computer just like pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/354">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► much everybody you know has a PC now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► yeah like a long time for that to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► for you to just take a random person off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► the street and say you've got a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► right now pretty much everybody does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► same thing with cell phones went faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► everyone had a cell phone seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/366">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► overnight so we'll see how the tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► things do but I really like the analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/369">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► and so did a lot of other people which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/370">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► is why it's being retweeted all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► web right now I was surprised to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/373">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► problem in the chatroom as soon as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► retweeting and adding and shown mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► the speed of internet immediacy it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► about immediacy yeah I've got a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► mini one from like three shows ago when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► I was complaining about it was the lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► episode I was complaining about in Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► Leopard how they curved the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► the windows and a goodtime player yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► chopped off those little pixels yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► can get rid of that why can't I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► those pixels yeah so somebody I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/406">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► who it was it Pinal but i had in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/407">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► notes for a while someone pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/409">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► that you can get rid of those with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► of those uh pilla stacks where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► command line and what they pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► was not just the hack but this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► installed them had installed forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► it's a preference pane called seek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/423">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► secrets too many secrets yeah and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► got it's not cause you own any secrets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/427">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► is it it's just called secret is secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/428">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► and it's got a server side component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► that tracks all these little tips all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► these little commands you can type to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/434">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► add a little key to some property list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► server-side it's updated frequently so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► you've got this little preference pane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/441">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► and you just go to it and you find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► application you want to know some tweaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► about it says here's all the list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/446">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► funny tweaks that people have figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► out and because it's server-side it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► constantly updating or whatever and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► didn't even think to look there but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/453">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► you look there for QuickTime Player or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/454">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► QuickTime Player Capital X I guess is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/455">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► QuickTime Player you know it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► little hack for taking rid of the square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/461">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► the square corners now I tried it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► does cause a whole bunch of cosmetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► issues at least for me or occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► the window drawers funny and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/468">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► these little ugly things on it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/469">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► complaint about that player which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► controller that floats over the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► but it's something and it shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/477">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► someone an apple some engineered Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► was similarly anal-retentive and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► what you mean you want me to chop off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/483">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► those two pixels like some artist or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/484">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► designer said yeah no we want the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/486">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► offended but you know by the principle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► of the matter and everything's up and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► there it is yeah oh the last one I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/495">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► I don't know this is this I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► this could be a whole show but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► doubt it it's about the iPhone 5 now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► should actually put this tweet in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/507">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► show notes but back in July of 2010 when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► the antennas stuff was going on it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► shame we didn't have the show then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/513">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► because I would have had a lot to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/514">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► about the antenna thing I did write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/515">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► something about it but I felt like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► could have expounded well I wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/518">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► the show for the record I wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/519">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► couldn't let that go all right couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► get it together but uh one of my things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► that I was thinking of as this antenna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► I phrased it in the form of a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► is will Apple ever release a phone with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► an unshielded antenna like where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► touch the antenna again like that was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► when all the dust had settled that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► the question in my mind and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► leading question because my answer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► no I don't think they'll ever release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/549">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► another phone where you can touch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/551">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► antenna like the next design the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► redesign of the phone yeah do not be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► antenna that you can touch on it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► thought that for a lot of reasons one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► thought that the ability to touch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► antenna does make it more susceptible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/562">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► interference than then you know antennas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► that you can't touch simply because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► can get your body parts closer to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► isn't you can't any closer than touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► right so if it was inside some plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► or maybe a couple of millimeters away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/575">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► the distance that kind of distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► counts especially those like you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► case between you and the thing or if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► don't know where the antenna is when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/582">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► can see the antenna and when you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► touch it in specific places it's you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► just going to have more problems now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/588">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► that doesn't mean that the antenna is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/589">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► worse it could be the antenna is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► than one that it's inside a case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► touching it really brings it down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► same level as an internal antenna or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► maybe doesn't make it as bad we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► that's never been settled as far as I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► concerned the hole is the antenna better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► and then touching it makes it as bad as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► the competition better and then touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► competition I don't know but the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► line is touching is worse than not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► touching and we just don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► net effective it is yeah but the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/616">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► reason I think they're going to do it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/617">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► because this whole hubbub over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► touchable antenna it's just you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► PR annoyance for Apple I wouldn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/622">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► if you've called a P I guess maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/624">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► that's call it PR disaster because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/625">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► they have to call a press conference to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► settle an issue like that that's raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► to the level of disaster I think and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► if only for the reasons they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► to have to deal with that again for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► iPhone 5 let's just take the issue off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► the table you know hey guys let's find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► way to put the antenna someplace where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► you can't touch it and then we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► don't have to talk about this anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/646">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► and maybe one or two guys will ask oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► so you put it inside does that mean when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► we could touch it you're now admitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/651">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► it was bad that we could touch it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/652">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► don't have to answer that they can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/653">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► say we think the iPhone 5 is great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► blah blah blah blah blah I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► that would be an admission of guilt or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► even admitting the iPhone 4 like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/661">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► could be that they put the antenna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/664">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► inside and the iPhone caught his worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► reception in the iPhone 4 because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► inside but just to get the issue off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► table I feel like they're going to tuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► that thing in there somehow and remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/672">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► how it came up because there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/675">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► couple of rumors of aluminum backside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► for the for the iPhone 5 with a read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► redesigned antenna and supposedly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► antenna was going to be behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► plastic Apple logo on the back or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/683">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► don't know I don't know what the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► 5 is gonna look like I have no idea this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/686">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► is just vague rumors at this point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► I'm anxious to see where that antenna is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► do you want to like make a bet where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/693">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► it's gonna be or if we're gonna see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/696">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► back lumina back I wouldn't bet on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/698">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► aluminum back but I would go 51 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/701">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► to 49 that it's not going to be you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/704">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► not gonna be able to touch it with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/706">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► hand it'll be behind something I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► leaning that direction as soon as I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/711">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► that PR thing just just because just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/712">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► get it out of the way that's a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► aluminum back I really like because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► like the iPhone one how solid it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► the iPhone 4 is nice too with the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/722">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► back but I think that's another instance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► where they learn the lesson of even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► the iPhone 4 is back doesn't crack any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► perception and the PR thing is like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/732">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► maybe it's not worth it because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► hear glass and you're shattering and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► breaks in a more spectacular way than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/738">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► the hairline convex you've got the 3G [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/739">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► j'son's I think they'll just be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/741">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► alright been there done that let's move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► on to the next thing I have an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► one the first generation I have the 3G I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/747">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► don't have the 3GS and I have a four of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/750">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► the three of the four phones that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► my favorite as far as how it feels in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► your hand when you're carrying it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► walking around and talking on it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/761">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► still the first generation phone I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► that as far as at how it feels when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► you're using it not as a phone but as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► smart device as a small computer in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► I like the field of four better I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► the the grip enos of it it really does I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► think Steve Jobs was saying on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► when they announced it that it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/780">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► like it just feels so dense and it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/782">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► like a very very high-end camera I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► like that but I'd love to see the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► code back to an aluminium style the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► the first generation one had it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► felt really like I never was worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► about dropping it and there are always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/796">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► people who say oh I never dropped any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► the phones or none of them are slippery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► whatever but for me I think the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► gen iPhone had had the right feeling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► don't feel that the the squared off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► speaking of like apples hardware blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► spots from that episode about the sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► edges and the power books you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/814">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► these squared off edges in the iPhone 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► make it less comfortable in your hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► and for example the more curved 3g 3gs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► you know they it depends on on how I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► holding it if I'm holding it up to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► ear to talk which I almost never do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/827">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► was used to headset of some kind but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► I'm doing it that way then you then yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► I prefer the curved shape to the square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► but if I'm holding in my hand and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► using it as a smart device then I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► mind so much the edges but there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► know I could go either way I'm not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/845">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► picky about that they are rounded over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/846">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► they're not like sharp sharp reenact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► books but it does feel more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/851">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► rectangular solid it looks a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► more like an object art than something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► that's meant to be held where is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► iPhone one and and the 3G one had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► curves on them was sort of it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/860">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► acknowledging that we want this to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► extreme you'd think of something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► the Palm Pre which they're whole but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/866">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► polished stone in the river and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/870">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► really that is a round shapely thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► like that they're hard words got other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/874">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► problems but that design philosophy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/875">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► not coming from Apple the iPhone 4 was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► step away from that to say no it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► like like the you know it's more like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/883">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► industrial thing it's more of a was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/884">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► AI dieter Rams kind of design that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/887">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► I've got for follow up today let's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/892">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► yeah people survived it's really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/895">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► yes chosen by mr. Benjamin from the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► the secret list that no one can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► right people have asked it for me to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► me to disregard what you say and publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► the list and solicit feedback yes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► you threw me under the bus when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/919">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► reply to that guy's I did I own the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► I have disdain for you do are you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► to deny that I mean see that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► mean you know what you need to add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/927">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► the list John is you need to add your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► feelings about comments we could do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/931">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► on the list is that yes it's the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► one you keep skipping over I didn't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/937">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► like that to me but all right well we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► that'll be an x-rays that so it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► clear what that showed would be not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/944">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► maybe you'll pick it next time yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► will pick it that is a good topic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► today's is Apple's online learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► disability my will meet ping and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► disasters - my one-liner thing oh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/954">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► when I think about it there's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/958">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► many other disasters it's just mobile me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► and payment we're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/961">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► but it sounds better when you say other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► disasters maybe people can add their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► disasters so before we start in this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/966">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► think we'll just art with the premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► that the premise is that everyone pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► much agrees that Apple's online services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► are not the best that's I don't think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/977">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► have to debate that it's generally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► consensus of opinion like if you ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► people you know who does online really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► well this Apple do online really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/988">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► they say no they're not great at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/989">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► good other things but they're not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► at that and if you just go buy if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► ignore pain you just go by a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/994">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► people people use lots of things online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► people use Facebook you know Gmail lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► of services that have millions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► millions of people not as many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► use Apple's online services or it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► doesn't have the numbers doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► the users it never did many competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► for reasons we'll get into later but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► if you go by opinion or numbers this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► not apples strength and this topic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► basically why what's the problem why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► this not Apple strength how are they so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► good at everything so good at seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► everything they do and that every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► they touch online they screw it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► somehow so what's the problem here and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► think the way to combat that is to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► the other direction and say what makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► good online service and then see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► Apple does in all these categories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► yeah let's do that the first category I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► think and these kind of order ordered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► terms of importance depending on my mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► they can go back and forth but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► the number one has to be reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► this is kind of true of everything where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► people ask you you know what do you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► for in a house what do you look for in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► car and the first answer isn't well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► house should keep the rain out and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► car shouldn't explode when I get into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► but with online services I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► it's been so bad for all online services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► that you have to put reliability as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► number one because people rightly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► wrongly have an apprehension about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► online stuff where their stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► somewhere where they can't touch it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► their only access to it is through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► wire that's you know connected to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► house that they're relying on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► utility company they pay a monthly bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► to to allow it to work it's not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► in their mind as something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► physically in their house that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► needs electricity to run and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► comfortable that way so reliability is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► the first big stumbling block for any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► these online services and and it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► worst thing about it is because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► there is some sort of problem it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► just affect you like my hard drive goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► bad and I can't get my stuff for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► neighbor doesn't have a problem and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► problems are distributed randomly across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► time whereas if there's some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► online problem for it with for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► you know you can't get your email and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► well everybody who uses yahoo mail can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► get their mail so a million people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► pissed off and inconvenience at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► time and it's a bad bad scene so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► reliability for online services now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► apples I'm going to pick this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► section I'm gonna pick on a dot Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► MobileMe it's gone very under various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► names sort of like the Bell Atlantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► Verizon singular AT&T keep changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► name it's all the same thing that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► all the same yeah people hate your name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► change the name but don't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► service any better that's the cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► analysis of that move so mobile me then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► known as dot Mac and previously I tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► I'll pick email in particular I put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► whole bunch of links in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► of the reliability of dot Mac and mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► me email it's down time I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► there's anyone ever graphed this but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► many times you know could you not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► your mail from Apple's service they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► huge amounts of downtime the links I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► in one of them was was a story saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► that it was the 15th recorded outage it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► for the month of June can you imagine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► Gmail went down 15 times in a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► month another link had dot Mac mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► hours can you imagine not being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► get your me mail email for six hours I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► mean if you're using it for personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► maybe but if you're using this thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► like work and business which a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► people are and word that's crushing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► even if it's just your personal email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► like people just it's like a betrayal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► the Internet when you can't get or send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► email so you're some dude and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► one email address and you love max you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► made Joe at matcom and then for six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► hours you can't send or receive email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► it's like wait a second emails supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► to be like running water at the tap it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► like when you turn on the tap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► nothing comes out it's you know did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► know your civilization at that point did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► you ever do you CP I did not I didn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► wasn't online in those days you see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► had a uucp gateway machine in my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► because I had an ISDN line and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► tricky to get uucp to work over tcp/ip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► in those days but you could do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► before that I just had one that was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► just a dial-up modem so you kind of had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► this feeling back then that I could send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► emails and then I would have to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► until you know at least an hour when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► was time for my gateway to call in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► the machine would pick up the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► dial out and talk uucp to the to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► other gateway servers send the send the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► the email out get whatever email was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► waiting and bring it back in and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► pop check the mail off my own server and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► the weird thing was I knew that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► email that I just sent out it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► to sit there for up to an hour and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► it would be another hour before I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► know if somebody had we even written me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► back but that was exposing the store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► forward nature of email yeah you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► know that there was so abstraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► behind it but the idea of waiting six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► hours today it seems unbelievable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► time time by the time regular people got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► email addresses it was supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► like a utility like your television or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► water or electricity and you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► it was the type of thing where when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► doesn't work it seems like it's not fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► that this is always supposed to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► right this is just an affront to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► the natural order of thing and so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► dot Mac to be going down all that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► and they had worse things to it another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► one of the worst things they had was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► that they used to do spam filtering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► where they were trying to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► the best they could to get to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► spam but they would do it in a typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► Apple fashion all server-side with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► visibility to the user so if they got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► wrong and they filtered out one of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► spammy one of your legitimate emails as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► spam you just never saw it and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► make you go crazy someone say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► emailed you and you'd say I did I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► betrayal of the Internet it's suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► you're supposed to email me I'm supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► to get it and when when you don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► that email is just maddening and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► know experienced users could figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► what's going on we know that your users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► figured out there doing server-side spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► filtering and this must have got caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► in the spam filter and do I have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► knobs to turn on the spam filtering is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► it someplace I can look for that mail no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► complained to Apple about it and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► you know responses from deep within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► bowels of the company were more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► well we have to filter spam because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► have no idea how much spam we get and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► we didn't filter it it would just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► untenable and yeah we're going to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► wrong sometimes but oh well and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► just that's not the attitude to have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► know Apple Way is that we don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► show you those knobs we don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► show you your spam boom we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► users to you will deal with that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► all well and good but if it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► where you can't get it 100% right you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► breaking the contract of email and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► the other thing unreliability is dot Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► homepage I don't know if you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► that but it was one of their first sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► of webpage building things you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► upload your media and then use like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► web interface to build pages we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► very frustrating experience they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► little templates and you could put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► pictures in and write captions it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► not a very good web app but a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► people including a lot of people my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► family built websites on that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► because as bad as it was it was easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► than anything that had tried before this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► was before you know the advent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► blogging software was it was ubiquitous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► and you could really you know and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► integration with the Apple stuff it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► an easy way to get your stuff from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► iPhoto library onto the thing so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► built whole sides of that you know every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► month they would be here's the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► of the kids here's what they did here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► a little story about them and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► fiddle with the web pages and do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► their stuff or upload a little video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► the new baby or whatever and then Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► decided to phase it out and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► December of last year and not only did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► they phase it out but they made it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► that if you had web pages up there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► was this is a quote from the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► they're they're a little document on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► web pages created using dot match on Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► homepage will still exist on the web but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► only the HTML text and other content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► it says photos and movies will no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► be viewable so that's great so you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► me the HTML will be there the HTML pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► but if you go to them they'll just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► considering you're just mostly putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► up photos and movies that's sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► reliability thing because you invested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► this time and energy into putting your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► data up there you wrote little captions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► that were cute you wrote little stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► you you know arranged the pictures you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► picked which ones you wanted you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► everything you put all this time into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► so everyone could see it and the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► the unspoken contract of online is once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► I put something up there it stays there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► forever unless you know I take it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► right and Apple said yeah now we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► going to host that anymore sorry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► they didn't give you any good options to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► get it this stuff back they're like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► you know they had these little in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► article I linked in the show notes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► said well here's how you can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► extract the pictures and put them up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► a different thing but the pictures were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► lower quality versions in most cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► than the the ones that were and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► thought it was they were compressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► JPEGs that were shrunken right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► you have to recompress them or like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► didn't maintain the link with their with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► their original source and iPhoto even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► you still had it so you can't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► reput those up with a new dot mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► gallery or MobileMe gallery that lets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► you put up the full quality images and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► if you if you pull down the small images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► which are really small because this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► homepage and like it would make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► positively miniscule on a 27-inch iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► someplace else into templates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► expected bigger pictures it's just there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► was no good way to do it there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► even a good way my sister was begging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► for this she wanted some way to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► print everything that was on there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► print my entire homepage site print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► every single page of it on sheets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► favored in color glossy paper and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► could put it in a little scrapbook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► say this is what I did during the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► four years of my children's life and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► printed it out I have a paper copy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► I'm comfortable with it fine you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► rid of it but they didn't have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► like that and so this is kind of a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► another betrayal of reliability where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► they're doing something that is outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► the realm of what people expect out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► online brain services and all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► reliability concerns and isolation each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► one of them could be explained away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► you can excuse it but they build they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► build up and it builds a reputation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► basically if you couldn't do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► online and you want to do it with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► don't do it with Apple because you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► get screwed eventually and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► people who have been using the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► personal experience throughout but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► if you don't even if you ask about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► anyway I'm thinking of setting up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► email account what should I use they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► don't say oh you should definitely sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► up for a MobileMe account they use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► for your email everybody says Gmail at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► so let me well let me and let me throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► this back at you for a minute but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► without the railing actually I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► question for you and that is why why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► this so bad or is that later do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► to answer that yeah we did we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► reliability before we do performance we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► can do a sponsor and we can go on to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► other topics at the very end that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► last thing is that's a very less I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► just yeah I just I want to give drop a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► little hint let people know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► that there's going to be a little nugget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► at the end the end of this our rainbow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► there there will be I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► otherwise I mean I'll give you other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► categories that we just the reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► after the sponsor will do performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► features and access and then we'll do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► little sidebar and ping and then we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► do an explanation of what the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► I think people are starting to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► this is like the the lost of the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► world and then too you'll continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► throw curve balls without providing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► it's a story man you gotta listen I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► going to be getting into the middle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► the end all right yeah I watched lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► all all all the seasons so I can stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► with this there you go should we do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► or should we do the sponsor now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► think we should alright so listen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► is a new sponsor I want everybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► check this I'm really excited about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► one it's it's audible so here's here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► audible has over 85,000 panels in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► basically every genre that exists out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► we've been talking about what we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► do and here's what we're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► they're going to give a free audiobook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► podcast.com slash hypercritical you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► audiobook and I'd love it I listen to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► lot of podcasts and besides besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► podcasts the only thing that I listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► anymore it's is is audiobooks I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► don't even listen to music and list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► anything else this is it it's great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► know what I like to listen this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► believe it or not I'll actually look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► when I have to go to the grocery store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► when I'm on a drive that's the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► time for me because I can kind of get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► a zone and I that's what that's how I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► it now John you were saying you listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► to a lot of podcasts I'm gonna try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► get you hooked on on audiobooks too you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► need to expand into this I'm just bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► reading in general I don't make enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► time I can barely listen to the amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► of podcasts I get but the one thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► would definitely say to recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► podcasts and audiobooks over music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► that I find listening to somebody talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► is more relaxing less distracting listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► listening to music everything commute so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► that's why I'm listening to podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► during my commute because just it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► you know better than music yeah I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► like I have to pick like make a playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► of songs if there's God knows you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► turn on the radio because it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► wasteland so you know I have my podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► all cued up and I don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► about figuring out what song I want or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► from the mood to hear this song because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► song as you listen to hundreds of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► but podcast I listen to more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► only once so I just listen I pull out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► the new five by five podcast that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► haven't heard I put them in the order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► that I want to listen to them and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► they just play and it's relaxing well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► didn't know books could be the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► on a lot longer trip yeah I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► can I do I was gonna say I do the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► thing but I mix into that all mix in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► audiobooks because I really especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► and not all of them work this way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► there are a lot of audiobooks on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► audible that where that the authors of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► the book will actually read them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► not always the case but it's always cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► especially if the author has a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► reading speaking voice so it audible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► podcast.com slash hypercritical you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► a free book and and here's a they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► recommend some books for listeners get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► get them started so you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► recommend though the one that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► recommending is a book it's by it's by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► Jay Elliott it's called the Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► way I leadership for a new generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► and this is a great book I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► recommending this for a little while now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► Christopher hurt written by Jay Eliot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► and if you're in a this is the use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► former senior VP of Apple so you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► you've got to check this out this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► really great book I'm really enjoying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► so that's my recommended you have one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► know we're trying we're trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► audiobooks John do you have one directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► I have a book recommendation I first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► time I talk about the the author reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► the book the reason I like it when an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► author reads the book is because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► insight into the author's mind when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► you're reading the words on the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► you're not sure what they say but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► person meant when they wrote them when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► the author reads it they give emphasis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► to you know that sometimes again to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► start acting and stuff but they give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► emphasis to words and phrases and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► sequences that reveals more insight into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► what the author was thinking when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► wrote the book much more so than even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► you do an interview with the author and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► you're like well tell me about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► latest book and I you know ramble on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► a vague way about it when they read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► you can tell like which part of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► they're most excited about what what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► money scenes are what the key phrases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► are and I really like that unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► sometimes authors have bad voices which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► why they have professionals yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► got to get to some rationale in there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► what's yours so my pick is something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► did a podcast on last night but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► hasn't been published yet but it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► episode of being comparable and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► name of the wind it's part of apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► a three book series and it's a fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► book and it's a fantasy book that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► have been talking about for years and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► finally bubbled up to my sphere of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► influences I'm not really into fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► books anymore these days although I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► heavily when I was a kid but this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► you know everyone's saying even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► hadn't read fantasy books in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► this one is great you got to read it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► got to read it and so I did read it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► if you've listened to the podcast I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► many many unkind things to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► this book and a lot of it has to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► the reasons why I am NOT a big fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► book reader but as we also talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► in the podcast I read the thing straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► through like you know it's a page-turner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► obviously there's something good in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► book that makes even someone like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► sort of a lapsed fantasy book aficionado [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► interested in it if you want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► more details about the book you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► listen to the podcast but I would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► say that if you if you read fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► books when you were a kid and you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► of like grew out of them or weren't into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► them or just got bored with them if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► want to try a book to sort of get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► back into the genre give this one a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► because it's it's just off kilter enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► that I think it will grab your interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► and suck you in and if you're into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► fantasy books apparently people love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► fantasy books love this too so okay if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► this sounds like it's up your alley give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► well we'll have links to Jon's pick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► in mine in the in the show notes so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► can get those and you can get your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► free book it audio podcast com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► hypercritical and that's also gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► audible podcast that skay looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► will get you reading we're gonna get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► reading them pretty soon here it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► I guess it's hard enough for me to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► books audiobooks I'd have to cut into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► maybe if you start recording less your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► podcast then I would have more time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► audiobook you just need a longer commute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► yeah right that's not what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► all right let's continue yes so we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► reliability so number two about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► makes a good online service I'd say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► performance and I'm putting that before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► a bunch of other issues just after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► reliability reliability is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► does it work period and performance is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► how fast is it work and it sounds like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► frill but it's it's not Wow now before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► want I'm going to want you to break this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► perceived performance and the other is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► actual performance you're like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► you're reading my mind like this okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► first the very second point also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► first one to have is that sort of Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► interfaces before Gmail in general but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► few exceptions were kind of like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► time you did anything to pay that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► low it's not the Gmail invented Ajax or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► anything like that but Gmail was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► first high profile pervasively Ajax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► throw out the old thing you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► though it did have the cruddy snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► the cruddy plain HTML interface Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► was clearly meant designed in a post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► Ajax world and that that just changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► the perception of web applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► entirely for the masses even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► applications that did exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► thing before that Gmail was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► time that everybody saw oh oh this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► mean this is a web app hey it's not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► bad and the Gmail thing the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► that did it was it didn't ape any sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► of desktop applications UI it played to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► the strengths of the web so it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► you know how Apple Mail or Eudora or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► Outlook worked is that no this is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► this is how email is going to work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► us and Gmail was going to be its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► interface from you know from the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► everything in terms of conversations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► just the big linear list of stuff and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► application now the second point a veer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► is perception of speed versus actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► speed that's the key because there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► always going to be that round-trip to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► the server and that delay it was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► going to be as fast as local in most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► cases but as long as you make it feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► fast as long as the interface feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► responsive as long as you're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► waiting for a whole page to load and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► things seem to happen you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► interface isn't blocked when you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► selected an action you can always select [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► the different action and most common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► things are very fast Gmail did a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► good job on that now contrast that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► Apple's online web thing so now back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► the day Apple had the you know you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► to reload the whole webpage to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► anything so the home page builder was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► kind of like that there wasn't much Ajax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► but you can't really blame them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► I was pre a check the post Ajax Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► took that technology and used it to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► their applications feel like the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► version so if you look for example to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► mobile memes in mail interface today it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► looks kind of like the Apple Mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► interface and it's all Ajax again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► does everything asynchronously and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► don't have to reload the page and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► but it still feels fast slower than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► equivalent desktop application they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► interface they didn't do what Gmail did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► and say we've got a new set of rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► this is a new interface it's there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► that there's no basis of comparison for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► application that ever worked like Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► to work like Gmail and Apple Mail works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► like Apple me well mobile me works like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► Apple Mail and it's not as fast I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► if you take the little scroll thumb and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► scroll it in the MobileMe mail thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► get that little spinning cursor and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► thing is empty and it says loading and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► you're waiting for something now Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► makes you wait to but when you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► expectations of a desktop application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► when I grab the scroll thumb and yank it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► down I see stuff that's lower down I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► don't see a big spinning weight cursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► in a blank screen and that perception is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► you know hammered in by years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► of desktop experience whereas on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► Gmail side I have no expectation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► what's going to happen when I click on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► label right it changes you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► they don't look like folders if they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► put a folder icon back to it made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► like an active selection like a source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► highlighted I'd be like why isn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► right pane up yeah yeah I mean they gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► you basically a new a new language to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► speak when using their app yeah and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► didn't have this unfavorable basis of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► comparison where their application was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► they just went off in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► direction but Apple has taken all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► technology and built what seems to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► pretty credible you know nice clone of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► desktop application but it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► going to be it's always going to pale in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► comparison to a real one and so it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► slower than it really is and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► actually is slower than Gmail for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► reasons we'll get to in a later point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► and then I'm gonna make a little sidebar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► get off the mail thing to go to I disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► oh my god talk about slow I just guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► that the ultimate multi-year long is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► but a decade yet it's been a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► where I disk is synonymous but slow is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► there if there's a slower way to access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► your files from a server somewhere I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► don't think I've ever experienced it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► application for a long time everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► took forever lots of spinning weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► cursors back in the day it was like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► it's because they built I disk on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► synchronous file system API so in UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► when you make a read system call and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► goes down through the layers to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► system API yeah it's synchronous the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► application can't do anything else while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► it's waiting for that read but they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► to have overcome that a little bit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► it still boggles my mind that using I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► disk in the finder is still slower than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► using web dev to hit that very same AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► disk and pretty much any third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► application so if you have like in der [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► archaea or transmitted or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► that and you open up your I disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► still faster to do that than it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► navigate your ideas going to find her I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► don't even know why anymore at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► point they don't even care and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► that they did that a local discipling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► where you could have a whole disk image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► locally and it would try to sync them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► and syncing is not really Apple strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► either so that was the worst it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► put this giant disk image on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► computer is just it was true they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► trying to banned it and they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► made it worse then the bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► the Dropbox dropkicks eye disk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► curb then it's like asana let's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► let's not even talk about high discs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► anymore because and Dropbox shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► like some little company with a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► dudes in it made what I just should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► been for a decade and it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► multi-billion dollar cooperation with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► like more profit in five minutes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► will have in the entire year and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► couldn't do this and we just did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► here it is I don't want to go into like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► whether or not a polite Dropbox or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► anything like that just the bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► is I disk bed Dropbox good Apple big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► corporation lots of money Dropbox small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2458">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► so there's this problem here it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► major major failure do you think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► really I know we're gonna jump in ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► jump but I mean do you think that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► the mentality big company versus small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► company mentality ork there that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► it okay you got there I'm not gonna I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► not gonna give them that excuse not yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► so so performance it's just killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► Apple and and again if you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► if it feels slow it doesn't you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► does it affect your work well I do way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► back two seconds to get my file it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► makes you not want to use it it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► and that's why I think performance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► it's kind of like the same way iOS is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► responsive and they focus so heavily on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► performance they just don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► religion when it comes to server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► stuff and it's just as important there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► if not more important because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► you're farther away from the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► you're interacting with it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► know it's not running on a CPU right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► front of you it's on a server somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► and is latency if send things over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► wire and wait for a response and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► just not prioritizing it correctly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► the next item is features it's a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► item and list reliability performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► then finally you get two features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► finally you get two like the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► Apple feels like it can compete on but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► the problem with that is that features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► in the online game are different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► features in the desktop game so Gmail is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► a good example if you look at what Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► do it's kind of like a an octopus that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► will put its tentacles into every part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► of your life Gmail will pull email from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► other services including computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► services you can send email out through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► those other services so they look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► they legitimately came from those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► things there are extensions and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► lab things where you can add lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► interesting features and mix-and-match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► and change themes and just customize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► it does pop an IMAP it has server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► filters like features Gmail features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► have just been coming fast and heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► since the very beginning and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► limit themselves to features that fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► within our world you if somebody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► it if you know if someone somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► thinks this is a useful feature they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► throw it in there so you can make Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► your home for email on the web and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► know have done that simply because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► integrates with every other service you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► can just work in Gmail and make it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► accounts but see them all in Gmail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► send out through them all in Gmail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► get them in any desktop application you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► want and have everything synchronized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► right those types of features apples so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► far behind in its mail client for doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► that like Apple has tiny little feelers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► into maybe pulling in mail from other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► things and they do pop an IMAP but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► don't want to you know they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► extensions because they said we define [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► the interface for Apple Mail and for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► webmail and we don't want you messing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► with it we don't want you putting an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► ugly picture of clouds in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► that changes based on the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► stuff like that server-side filters is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► philosophical difference between the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► things where Apple says well we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► application but when you're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► from the server that's like when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► going through the web interface that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► just like a temporary I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► check my mail on the web but you'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► back and do it on your real mail client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► whereas Gmail says not Gmail is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► true interface to mail and if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► going to be mail filtering rules they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► going to be in Gmail and real lives on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► server all those things all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► features mean that Gmail is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► beating Apple in the market in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► checkbox for and the chat box bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► doesn't seem like it it's that important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► Apple doesn't participate in it in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► software but for online services if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► want to win and get the people to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► yours as you as your primary email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► address or your you know your primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► disk storage thing like Dropbox Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► the guys who are more flexible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► that's why everyone uses Gmail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► Dropbox instead of that Mac a male and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► an I disk and is one instance for apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► we don't compete on features we compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► on like feel and everything like that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► doesn't make a difference in online you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► especially in the sort of the Borg type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► ways where you absorb other stuff into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► it because I had so many different email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► accounts at different places including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► my Mac one and Gmail was the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► was promiscuous enough to be willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► absorb the other one so now my dot Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► email gets funneled through Gmail so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► does my you know all my other email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► accounts and that becomes my home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► because it was it wasn't so picky about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► all we don't associate with the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► we really prefer that you just not use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► all those horses and come use us at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► gmail recognizes that you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► a lot of email addresses and identities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► and it will it will do anything it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► do what it takes to get business what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► it gonna take to get you into a gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► today a little do it so final one is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► access and this is kind of underlying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► the whole thing I've been paying enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► attention to the chat room but a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► people already screaming about this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► terms of appliable you know of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► gmail of course Apple mobile me doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► have as many customers and of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► heavily limitations are us daily guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► because they charge money for it they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► not it's not a free service unlike all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► the other ones that we've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► about you can't get in on Mac or mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► meat without paying money it's 100 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► a year has been forever and that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► away right out the gate limits you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► the number of people you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► have and if that Mac was like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► awesome paying for it can make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► feel more secure does you be like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► you're using that free thing but at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► second that could be because you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► paying the money but I pay for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► service and I feel more secure with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► well and that was that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► generation of what we'll call webmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► services whether it was hotmail or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► whoever was oh well that's free could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► away could break it could you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► they're not going to they're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► to help you they're not going to care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► and people would pick Apple services for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► that reason well I know I'm paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► this so it's gonna be good yeah and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► Apple was if Apple was great at all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► other things I just listed reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► as if Apple did a good job on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► paying for would make you feel more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► secure but they're not the best that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► those things so I think paying for makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► you feel less secure because then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► start going to getting into the negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► side of paying for things and here's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► aspects of the negative side one is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► when something like home page being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► retired comes in you feel even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► betrayed because like what is like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► what have I been paying all this money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► for if not to ensure the longevity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► these you know the first three years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► my kid's life that I put up on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► and you tell them he's going to go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► why am I even paying for this if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► wanted someone to just dump my data I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► services just I kind of expect that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► them because hey I never paid them any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► I've been paying a hundred dollars a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► year and you do this so it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► reverses itself on Apple it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► detriment and the other one is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► you're always one missed bill away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► losing everything like that's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► true Apple has grace periods and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► preserve your stuff and you can keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► your name if you miss a bill and renew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► and do all this stuff but there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► perception that since you're paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► it if you stop paying for it then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► everything is gone and then then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► feel trapped by like well I've got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► this stuff on this service but I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► the service I really don't want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► it anymore but but I've got it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► if I stopped paying for it then all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► stuff is gone and and that makes people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► feel bitter about having paid for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► like all they trapped me because like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► pay all this money now I have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► them forever if I want my stuff to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► the negative because their bed and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► those other things all the negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► aspects of paying come out I'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► to say that paying for it is bad I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► paying for it could've been a huge huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► plus if they were good at it but since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► they're bad at it paying for it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► a negative it's lips over to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► side ah I'm gonna do a little sidebar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► and ping so we mostly just been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► about mobile news anyone remember ping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► how long ago was that it seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► long time ago doesn't I really wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► but yeah it really seems like ages ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► and I did you try it did you sign you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► know sign up for it and try it out I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► I tried to try it was I successful at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► trying it I I tried to do whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► they wanted me to do with ping but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► yeah really wasn't it maybe it took two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► days to realize that three days but I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► I don't really think of myself as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► probably am I mean I'm rational enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► to see that I probably am like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► when you you kind of get the idea you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► have a problem and everyone tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► you have the problem you kind of start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► to believe them I can see that so it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► least at least what I would say is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► I'm always I want Apple to be successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► because I really like the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► Apple makes and that that's the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► I see it and when they do something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► this it it wasn't so much like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► think anybody was surprised that ping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► was sort of as you say is sort of DOA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► but it it's almost the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► like with MobileMe dot Mac I really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► Apple to do it right I really want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► to get it right I really want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► buy Dropbox and and or or do whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► takes to make Dropbox just always there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► on every Mac that I ever use or give to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► my family member or anything any any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► just make it part of the OS whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► buy them or license it I don't care just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► get it in there make it part of it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► that makes sense to me and MobileMe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► having a service like that and doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► right makes sense to me and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► rather pay Apple or use app something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► Apple build than something that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► Google build but not because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► like Google but because the integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► is usually better when you are sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► on the Apple side of things usually I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► I have I use Google apps I use tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► stuff on Google I don't dislike them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► all and I've had an Android phone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► the better part of a year and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► somewhat content with that I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► problem with Google so here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► John when I looked at ping the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► question I thought why is Apple doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► this I get why they would do mobile me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► why would they do ping what are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► reasons for them to have done ping from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► like a synergy perspective I'm doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► air quotes now yeah in terms of helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► to make it more fun to buy things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► iTunes or to buy music you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► social aspect amuses it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► companies making money off that but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► all the things that we just listed all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► those different categories if I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► pick one category that killed ping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► only I think it only really takes one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► thing to kill pain wasn't reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► because it for the time that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► there it's still there I guess it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► fine it was like down performance seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► to be okay compared to you know other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► intensive in terms of data volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► features kind of fell down there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► like a version one you always expect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► not have a lot of features but access is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► the reason that ping cratered and access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► starts from the the basic interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► with ping and that it was only in iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► you don't make an online service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► you can't use in a web browser in 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► anything you can only do an iTunes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► not an online service the store works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► only in iTunes because they control the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► store it's the only way to get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► iTunes Store that's why they want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3118">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► it fine I'll buy stuff there and hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► that's where the media is going anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► but ping is supposed to be a social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► thing and if I can only use a social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► thing from iTunes forget it it's dead um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► and the other thing was they tied it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► heavily the iTunes again is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► unwillingness to be promiscuous only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► songs you bought in iTunes participated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► in this you know world of sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► alright what well you have tons and tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► of music that people have never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► that's not on the iTunes Store and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► want to like share and talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► lots of services let you do that like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► I don't know a last.fm and a few other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► things like that where what's that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► one the smell alone forgetting the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► of where they will go to great lengths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► to catalog and add metadata for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► figure out all this obscure music that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► people have because they're not trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► to sell you the music they just they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► know that you want to share your tastes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► and if you like some weird you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► drum only band from Africa that no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► ever heard of that has never released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► anything except for on the internet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► you have a track of that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► share that with people and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► annotate it with a metadata and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► the seven other people who are into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► band will do it too and you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► share your appreciation for music the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► doing it the way that they did it I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► I like I understand that they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► play in this but this is the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► surprised me so much about paying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► that usually I look at look at the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► that that Apple launches a product a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► physical tangible product I mean look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► the MacBook Air recently the the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► they they create something I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► to call it flawless but they create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► something that's awesome and when there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► are flaws they do a really good job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► downplaying them and usually what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► flaws that are there are not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► they're not killer flaws right they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► not things that are like all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► product is no good but then whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► they launch an online service like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► it it really doesn't match it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► doesn't you can't say that about it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► can't say that there aren't usually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► that flaws are usually showstoppers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► some cases I mean even with Game Center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► the way that when people add you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► keep getting notifications things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► that that maybe they address but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► potentially show-stopping issues and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► ping was just so not usable it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► friendly was not fun to use it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► revealed information you didn't want if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► you hid the information you'd get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► thousands of emails and people asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► for your you know to you to be their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► friend I mean it was just it was it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► so many things wrong and it's like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► can Apple who does such a great job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► building these amazing devices that we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► love to use so not get it with a service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► integration that reportedly fell through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► at the last moment but you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► wouldn't use as an excuse because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► supposed to be the company that kills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► expectations you kill it you like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► couldn't do the deal with Facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► without that the old Facebook there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► way this is gonna fly because presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► Facebook would have been the web face of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► this service so this should have killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► it but they launched it anyway and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► was a ghost town I think it still is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► there's a couple DIY in the chat who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► loved it I guess you could I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► I don't wanna go too far down the ping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► hole s or say that the consensus is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► it hasn't been a successful service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► I think that's safe to say now are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► ready to start talking about why yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► before we do let's thank our second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► sponsor then what do you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► you're right you're ready for this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► source bits com they provide software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► design and development services for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► Android Mac they also do web stuff I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► they know how to sing stuff up source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► bits is at the bleeding edge of emerging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► they're deep experience and successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► track record ensures that your idea will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► be transformed into a functional well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► tested visually stunning world-class app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► in no time they have to know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► this and I've been saying this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► these guys they really know what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► doing this is this is a full-stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► software development house it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► couple high school kids with a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► with the with an iphone these guys this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► is the real deal and they they will save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► you a lot of time and money and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► they'll get it done right so if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► an idea for an app you call them source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► bits calm cutting-edge app development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► please go check the mountain but no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► sent you all right John let's hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► catch - so what seems after having said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► all this what is it that Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► understand about online yeah why why can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► they not get this there are probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► lot of things that understand about long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► but I picked a few first thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► strikes me is that all the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► make apples hardware and applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► and software great make its online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► efforts bad so because they're so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► at doing you know the hardware device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► and desktop application thing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► inclination is to sort of copy those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► interfaces online and they just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► translate it's a different it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► don't make your online email application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► look like your desktop one no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► awesome you think your desktop one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► your iOS one or your anything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► don't make your online calendar look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► like the iPad calendar app they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► different things and even though that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► your strengths even though you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► awesome artists who can make everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► look beautiful down to the pixel online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► integration where they say well we make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► the hardware the software the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► stack online you can't do the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► stack you don't you're not an ISP you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► don't control the wires you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► control stuff on the users you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► users end of things you don't control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► how they're going to look at your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► product you can't make it iOS only for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► your web application or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► that you can't make people use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► iTunes application to use your social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► network you just can't do that vertical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► integration it's a minus not a plus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► online and an online by its nature is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► about openness and sharing so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► can't have total control of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► this goes against their very nature they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► they don't want to touch or interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► with or deal with other services like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► Gmail does sucking in all the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► everything that because now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► relying on other parties like what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► they change their API we have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► chasing their API around we have it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► just it's hard to cooperate with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► people because that means you rely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► constitutionally incapable of entering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► into agreements where they rely on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► third party and we had lots of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► shows about this same issue they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► feel that they can't trust other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► but online you have to it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► integration API is it's all about when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► that guy changes their API you change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► yours you cooperate you make deals we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► participate in an open relationship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► that underlies everything that has to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► with online and Apple doesn't work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► that they're there for pay business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► model Apple wants you to pay money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► everything that's their business that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► why they have a bazillion dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► because they don't give away stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► free we make cool things you want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► you pay us money but in the online world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► and online services the for pay business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► majority ones out there are free and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► could say the fruit that free ones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► bad then they're you know if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► paying for a product then you are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► products because they're just selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► you to advertisers this is all true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► people don't like it but the bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► is that online no one has really figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► out the for pay business model with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► exception of small things to businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► like 37signals and stuff like that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► the big email things are free all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► you know big photo sharing sites are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► free Facebook is free you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► complain about the model you want but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► the bottom line is that Apple hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► figured it out either so if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► to do for pay and you're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► it any better than anybody else you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► going to be limited just like the New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► York Times pay wall thing they're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► to do even the New York Times is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► to figure out how do we get people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► pay for things online yeah who knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► they're going to do everyone's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► crack this nut but Apple hasn't cracked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► it either and it's really hurting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► and they just you know people keep this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► as rumors about mold me being free I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► don't know if that solves any problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► or anything but it being for pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► such a long time as hurt Apple in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► different ways especially since it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► and the final thing is that online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► services our server centric Apple is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► like that Apple is device centric you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► the data is here and we may synchronize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► it through a waypoint on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► down to some other device but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► synchronize with each other through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► middleman instead of the server being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► canonical and the devices are just local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► incarnations that data briefly and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► to flip this around I'm going to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► Google as the leader in in the online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► service space I don't think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► controversial choice and I say what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► does Google understand about this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► Apple doesn't to turn it around on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► I think Google's greatest strengths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► actually I'm going to ask you this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► because I always wonder what people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► what do you think Google's greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► strengths as a company is in this realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► of online stuff that's a tough one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► mean I think it's it's clearly not user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► interface design that's good you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► eliminated one maybe it'd be easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► eliminate them than two in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► identify it honestly I really I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► think what they understand what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► services that people want to use they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► don't waste a lot of time and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► waste is the wrong word but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► waste a lot of time trying to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► unique experiences they just provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► tons and tons of services that generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► meet with most of the criteria that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► identified at the top of the show they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► generally tend I mean sure everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► going to have downtime but generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► they tend to be fairly reliable they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► tend to be very accessible they tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► be either free or very affordable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► they really meet those criteria do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► identify I should add this to the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► best show on everything that's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► with Google because I have a lot to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► about what's wrong with Google and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► is a lot let's do that but but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► particular thing Apple are Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► great what do you think it is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► nibbling at the edges of it but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► you have to I'm surprised you didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► this busy work in this area before but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► think Google's greatest strength is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► operations in terms of everyone has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► different word for this but the servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► they operate in the infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► and this is general generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► you're talking about the infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► the way that they have their data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► centers running the way every machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► has its own internal ups the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► replacing them with one another and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► the micro level all the way up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► big big level and coming of this with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► Apple like Apple in the enterprise we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► already went over a little bit but do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► you think that's what next is that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► makes Google successful well yeah so let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► me just finish this will be quick as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► with the last second last bit here so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► know why Apple doesn't work well with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► the enterprise they ditch the Xserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► schedules ahead of time they don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► supporting the enterprise the thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► performance they don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► elegance and Apple just doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► with that and in the enterprise when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► Apple has to do enterprise stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► it has to have servers and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► hardware and software to do that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► anymore now that it's ditching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► Xserve certainly but even before a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► of 1u exurbs apples not running us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► entire business on that they have to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► products from other vendors other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► vendors who are willing to go into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► dirty realm of faceless servers that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► ugly and disgusting commodity hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► and stuff that you expect to break and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► stuff like that Apple has to use that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► run its business just like every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► business but it doesn't make that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► so it's kind of like oh you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► that other thing I imagine managers at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► divisions they just want this stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► work they don't care about like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► using Sun using Linux servers what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► you using to to route the mail to store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► the mail using EMC storage are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► making you know they don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► bothered with details just make it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► just make it work fast I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► technology it's not like the other state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► in the case is bi they say well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► care what you do with that phone just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► make it a cool phone no that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► bread and butter we make phones that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► what we do as a company as Apple as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► company says doesn't say we make awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► servers and we run data centers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► don't do that at all so they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► didn't want to know about it just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► it work it's just not their strength but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► flipped on the flip side Google that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► what the company Google is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► this is their core competency I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► beyond like search and advertising what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► they make their money on stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► operations data center operations and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► shows Google has built this massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► general-purpose infrastructure they run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► their whole company on MapReduce GFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► BigTable those services were not easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► make cost a lot of money took a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► time a lot of really smart people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► they made them general-purpose so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► can run their entire business on the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► those things every kind of product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► from the Duds like Google Wave that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► sucks to the great things like Gmail is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► awesome all built on the same common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► infrastructure of services and they and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► they improve those infrastructure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► they revise it they do what Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► with its consumer products or apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► comes out with one iPod and they make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► better and they make it smaller and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► have multiple models and they make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► version two and they make the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► three and just gets better and better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► and races ahead of everybody Google has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► done that not I guess you could say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► not it was search or Gmail stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► infrastructure most importantly GFS a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► version two BigTable didn't exist that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► then you know MapReduce has been revised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► I got over a hundred and fifty different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► versions of how they do the data centers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► and the reason you know this is Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► core competency is that they don't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► you anything about it they don't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► about it they do white papers on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► things I do white papers and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► produced in GFS and BigTable but when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► comes to like revealing their secrets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► they won't tell you how the data center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► works they won't tell you details and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► how they deal with hardware failures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► how they arrange your infrastructure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► geographically distributing data centers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► and stuff like that they give you vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► terms enough for them to brag but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► is their you know that in their search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► algorithms are their secret and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► won't tell you that the same way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► won't tell you how it makes you know iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► or makes it's great applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► this is the biggest difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► Apple and Google and I think is Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► biggest strengths because Google's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► mentioned wave and or couldn't God knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► what else they're doing and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► going to make good products but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► all going to be built on a big solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► foundation the same way Apple is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► to make good applications in bed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► they're all going to be built on a solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► foundation of Apple understands hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► and software integration use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► interface design all that stuff and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► is I think the big sort of schism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► between the two companies and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3958">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► biggest chasm between Google anyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► because other companies even if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► in this business don't consider that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► data center operations general-purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► infrastructure stuff to be like the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► important thing they do and Google with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► its money but it's time with this effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► with this manpower has shown that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► infrastructure is what you build your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► company on and they continue to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► and revise infrastructure to be ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► for any product that anyone comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► with to support it to have those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► we talk about reliability performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► access everything well I think I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► think it's time to invoke Godwin's law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► or Godwin's law of these shows which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► Center I get the pressed want to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► about that because it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► giving a you know a machine gun to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► baby yeah you know this big datacenter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► Apple what do you know Apple dot running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► big day nice I was like I say well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► run you know the biggest music store in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► the world and we do this it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► different category of stuff but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► read-only data distributed on CD ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► it's very different than running an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► interactive web application and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► have nowhere near the infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► expertise and systems to support generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► applications that Google does so how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► it get it oh the first thing they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► to do is figure out that this is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► problem they don't they've they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► have this as a core competency and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► you can't be good at both I would my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► last little bit here is the heading is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► Paradise Lost and think back to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► years ago six years ago before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► iPhone certainly you know maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► before the iPod or around that time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► dream that the tech nerd dream was who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► can have Apple hardware and software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► Google online services remember when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► they had Eric Schmidt on the board and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► we joined the board it's like boy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► is a great relationship because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► makes the best right you consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► devices they make awesome software and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► love their apps and everything I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► their OS and Google Google has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► great search and they do great online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► stuff the two of these guys together it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► would be synergy but instead what has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► actually happened is that both of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► businesses have sort of aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► expanded into each other's turf and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► we have a situation where Apple sucks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Google's business Apple can't do servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► and Google sucks at Apple's business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► Google can't do user interfaces consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► hardware software UI all that stuff now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► let's roll back let's go roll back the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► clock a little bit and say let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► Google never did Android never did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► Android and they never stepped into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► space at all and Eric was still on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► board why wouldn't a police a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► understand operations they really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► understand you know Jon Syracuse's three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► rules for success ah we're just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► do everything we can do to integrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► with these great services and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► know we know Google's going to be around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► so we're just going to fully integrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► we're going to fully embrace I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► see little hints of that you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► of integrates with Google Calendar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► weirdly integrates with Google contact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► mean you know iPhone kind of supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► some of the the Gmail stuff so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► could be a lot better there and clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► those are very straightforward solvable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► problems that doesn't take a cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► change at Apple those are things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► just don't well will will support the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► API really well and apples go to doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► that do you think that is that what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► stopping it is that why they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► embracing it or is it is it the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► thing that happened with Microsoft where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► they said never again will we be tied to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► another external company that we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► can't control I think it's just that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► the philosophy of independence of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► relying on outsiders that is serve them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► so very well in all other aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► their business they can't they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► break from for this other aspect they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► saying well it's worked out great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► everything else we've ever done why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► shouldn't also work out great and online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► and maybe it's difficult to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► company where you're of two minds about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► something we're in this realm we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► cooperate and be open or we have to rely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► on Google like if they're going to rely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► on Google to the extent that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► think you know Apple didn't even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► rely on Google for maps for the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► they said we got to get our own map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► company let's buy that map come let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► get their map dated we got to get off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► google map but they don't like relying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► on Google research we got to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► thing with Bing to try to keep Google on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► its toes they don't like relying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► outsiders but in an online world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► online services you absolutely have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► relationship it's 100% integration no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► one with the exception possibly Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► which I hate by the way that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► another show no one is an island you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► have to integrate with other people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► have to cooperate yes that means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► you rely on them but then they rely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► relationship you can't go it alone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► it's kind of it's horrible that we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► the situation where we had Google who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► was great and online and Apple that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► it consumer electronics and UI and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► seems like you guys just get together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► you can you know work together but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► know they didn't they instead they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► everything and they each do each other's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► business badly I maybe it's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► that if one of them had gotten bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► than the other and they had bought each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► other like Apple buys Google Google buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► his Apple back in the day you'd say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► finally it's the best of both worlds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► it's chocolate and peanut butter we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► eat in one company but it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► maybe the philosophy of one company or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► the other would come to dominate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► other so if it was Google buying Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► eventually the vertical integration and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► attention to user interface detail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► everything would disappear because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► Google's philosophy that serves them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► philosophy the serves Apple well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► it's realm or vice versa that Apple will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► buy Google and then try to amplify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► and say yeah well Google is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► be a good net citizen anymore because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► want to be our own we want to control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► everything we don't rely on anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► so it's just a bad situation I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► solution is either the easy solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► are stick to what you're good at and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► that's too pessimistic you say well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► we stick to what we're good at we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► never grow growth means becoming good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► other things well if you want to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► good at other things then you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► figure out some way to have two ideas in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► your mind at the same time within you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► know the the fictional brain of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► company do what's best for your consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► products and your user interfaces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► your desktop stuff here but when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4318">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► comes to online do like Google does more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► or less and you can't you can't have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► philosophy for the whole company because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► the businesses are just too different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► there's a couple things that scroll by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► in the chat room then I want to address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► before we wrap this up okay where was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► one of them so some someone was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► that uh I said that Google's cruddy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► consumer electronics of stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► someone mentioned that there is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► doing better in the foam realm phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► realm in terms of social and syncing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► intersection between you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► consumer device and the OS which Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► does really well but once you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► getting into the realm of synchronizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► contacts or having interfaces with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► network services Google does that better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► or pom for that matter pom you turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► information it will suck down everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► from every other service and integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► into a unified inbox and the server is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► canonic and all that stuff as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► even in the Apple's devices that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► awesome as soon as you touch the online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► philosophy serves them better there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► gives a better experience to the user or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► like people love the Google phones where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► you get a new Google phone you just type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► in your your Google ID and password and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► boom everything you want is there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► that's a demo that I think Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► love to give but give but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► understand to make that happen you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► to be like Google in that realm yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► some of the people in a chat room would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► well you know what what doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► with the iOS integration what's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► what's broken for you what's and I did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► didn't didn't mean to imply that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► doesn't work it just again I used an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► Android phone for a long time and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► you give it your username and password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► and everything is there and it yeah sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► maybe you don't want everything to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► there but you can turn things off but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► the integration is seamless and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► it's across all apps it's across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► whole OS and again yeah I mean it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► might be more than Apple would want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► do and they've they've done a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► of making things integrate but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► really they really could do more I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► like and I really wish there was a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► where Google never started stepping on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► Apple stuff and vice versa because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► think the two of them together just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► content that what they were doing would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► consumers all right maybe it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► have been better maybe they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► just computed on something else but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► clear where each company's strengths and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► weaknesses are and it's a shame that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► they both want to do full stack they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► just want to be want to do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► themselves it's is an advantage to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► mostly at this point because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► take your Apple phone and connect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► Google's services with it even if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► application on my iPod touch I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► Safari with the Gmail interface I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► use Apple's Mail app because I find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► web as cruddy as it is I find the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► app interface the Gmail superior to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► trying to do IMAP or pop to my gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► email which just has crushed many a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► desktop email client how gigantic is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► one I don't think it's even that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► it's only a couple gigabytes and but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► get a lot of I get a lot of mail bus I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► a lot on a lot of mailing lists and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► have a lot of labels you just I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► full access to the Gmail interface to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► deal with that if it has to download all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► those messages I'll be waiting around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► forever for it to download whereas Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► just shows me the screen and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► the server has already got them it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► sent me the summaries I didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► wait for the entire messages to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► downloaded locally I don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► whatever the problem is I have not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► application that can handle my volume of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► email and my IMAP and all my labels with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► Gmail as successfully as just using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► user experience that Gmail is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► unusable for me I I never use it I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► to me if I mail app I mean that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► the best app either I like it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► it's not the most amazing app either but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► it's so far and above better of a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► experience for me I probably don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► as much I get I get a lot of mail but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► probably it sounds like you get even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► more I still use it and even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► slower I'd rather have it be slower and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► and work the way it works then have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► use the Gmail and and for me it's so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► that like if mail app stops responding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► for some reason once in a while you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► something I just won't check mail I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► won't I would I never never even occurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► to me to use the Gmail interface it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► bad like for me that would be like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► stranded at an airport in the only way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► can send an email is to use the Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► interface like then I might might use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► you you might be converted yet because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► used to be you I was a hardcore desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► email client user I was Claire's email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► where was my first love and then yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► entourage and then I'm on the outlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► which I have to use for work because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► exchanger but I have all these things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► my local computer too and I was I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► there's no way I'll ever use a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► interface melih always use a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► client and without making a conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► decision I slowly sort of just drifted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► over to the web interface and I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► interface in many ways but the ways it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► is superior just one out instantly its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► members are the cool board commands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► server-side rules was that was the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► one though because I hated having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► keep rules updated because I get so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► mail a lot of it is mailing lists my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► like it's so much of it it all has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► routed like very little lands in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► somewhere sometimes multiple ear outed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► or auto-reply doing lots of complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► stuff going on there and doing that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► seven different desktop clients killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► me and then if I was over someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► house I couldn't check my mail there if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► I looked it in the web interface things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► wouldn't get routed right so I just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► all the rules on the server and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► clients just reflect what the server has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► already done because of the way Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► does its email with the IMAP and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► labels and everything it's not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► fit for desktop clients and if I try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► use a desktop client with my Gmail like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► I'll move a message but then it won't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► won't show up as moved or it'll be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► red but then it will not be read or be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► read in one folder but not on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► that mismatch between online in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► desktop world it made me maybe make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► it's like what you're going to are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► advantage of online enough to keep you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► into that thing are you going to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► it on the on the desktop and I just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► just gave in and I made the Gmail web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► interface my main interface to email and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► that's how I do everything I still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► desktop clients I use it at work I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► them at home too and I use it at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► mostly so that I have all my email in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► local cop because I still do have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► paranoia so I always have I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► don't I map from Gmail I pop from Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► so all my mail is on my computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► backed up 50 times in blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► from the backup episode but my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► interface to email is with Gmail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► maybe eventually you will come around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► that as well it really it really depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► it depends on how much I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► you do everything from a home office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► maybe you don't the move around as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► but if you have to even just go to home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► and work and deal with that and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► to like look at your personal email from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► home having a weapon from work rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► having a web interface is nice that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► actually you've identified the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► that I used a web interface for mail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► I'm fairly sure this is before Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► existed because I certainly would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► used Gmail or at least it was there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► there must have been a reason like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► I was always using a domain and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► didn't want to use a pure Gmail before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► Google Apps but I worked at a very large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► telecommunications company I had to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► their windows you know 2000 was brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► new had to use that machine and used a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► web mail client just so that I could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► email but it was like one where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► could host your own domain with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► they would give you a web interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► you could use that to send mail and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► course at home I had everything popping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► down that was only storms those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► worst interfaces where it's just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► random ISP or something is horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► because it just goes to show like web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► mail interfaces are hard to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► Google is among the best in class and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► some random company tries to do it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► don't want to use it up because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► the same thing for you know various ISPs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► or small companies that have given me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► email but I have to use their web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► interface and you just want to shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► yourself because those are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► so you guys are not Google you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► doing a good job that even if it's fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnXYGck/4798">TS</a>]
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