7: ThunderCats


00:00:01   this is hypercritical episode number 7 [TS]

00:00:04   it's a weekly talkshow ruminating on [TS]

00:00:06   exactly what is wrong in the world of [TS]

00:00:09   Apple and related technologies and [TS]

00:00:10   businesses nothing is so perfect that it [TS]

00:00:13   can't be complained about and the man in [TS]

00:00:16   charge of complaining here the head [TS]

00:00:18   complainer chief of complaints is John [TS]

00:00:21   siracusa hey John hey Dan [TS]

00:00:23   how are you today I'm a little bit sick [TS]

00:00:26   but I'm ready to complain little yes and [TS]

00:00:28   you ready you could even complain about [TS]

00:00:29   being sick if you look good but no one [TS]

00:00:31   wants to hear that well we'd like to say [TS]

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00:01:05   and beautiful John it's the way the web [TS]

00:01:07   should be Typekit comm boom lion can eat [TS]

00:01:14   can you hear it roaring we're not ready [TS]

00:01:16   for that yet not ready alright I thought [TS]

00:01:18   I'd give a little teaser what's to come [TS]

00:01:20   alright well I think people can guess [TS]

00:01:22   but we gotta do some follow up first ok [TS]

00:01:24   so I guess I have a trim selection to [TS]

00:01:29   follow up today and has a lot to do with [TS]

00:01:31   connectors which will tie into our later [TS]

00:01:33   discussion of the new MacBooks line and [TS]

00:01:36   all that good stuff the firewire 400 [TS]

00:01:38   plug we talked about it in a past [TS]

00:01:40   episode yes it is a connector that was [TS]

00:01:42   nicely asymmetrical and you couldn't put [TS]

00:01:43   it in the wrong way and then as you [TS]

00:01:45   mentioned on another show we got some [TS]

00:01:47   feedback from people saying no if you [TS]

00:01:49   are sufficiently determined you can jam [TS]

00:01:51   that plug in the wrong way and I thought [TS]

00:01:54   about why this might be possible because [TS]

00:01:56   if you look at the plug like you know [TS]

00:01:57   it's it's rectangle on one end and sort [TS]

00:01:59   of a triangle with a clipped off tip on [TS]

00:02:01   the other end and it seems like there's [TS]

00:02:03   no way this thing could go in the other [TS]

00:02:05   way but if you think about the [TS]

00:02:06   receptacle that accepts that plug a lot [TS]

00:02:10   of them kind of have metal flanges like [TS]

00:02:12   you know so [TS]

00:02:13   rounding it this sort of pinched the [TS]

00:02:15   plug when you put it in and if there's [TS]

00:02:16   nothing supporting those metal flanges I [TS]

00:02:18   can imagine if you were to put it in the [TS]

00:02:20   wrong way and just shove it in yeah you [TS]

00:02:22   could Bend the two metal flanges that [TS]

00:02:24   would lay against the triangular parts [TS]

00:02:26   and just bend them outward so that the [TS]

00:02:28   rectangular part fits in there and [TS]

00:02:29   apparently doing this destroys the [TS]

00:02:32   connector and can also short out [TS]

00:02:33   electronics inside the machine [TS]

00:02:35   so it just goes to show that merely [TS]

00:02:37   having a plug with a symmetrical is not [TS]

00:02:39   sufficient to defeat the most determined [TS]

00:02:42   users of shoving in the wrong way I [TS]

00:02:44   still say obviously you wanted to be [TS]

00:02:46   asymmetrical so that the let's say less [TS]

00:02:49   harried people can put it in the right [TS]

00:02:51   way and not be confused about the way it [TS]

00:02:52   goes but these are people who run [TS]

00:02:54   computer labs and stuff like that where [TS]

00:02:56   is the worst possible environment for [TS]

00:02:57   hardware people just treat the machines [TS]

00:02:59   terribly and right people are walking in [TS]

00:03:00   off the street plugging in plugging [TS]

00:03:02   whatever they feel like into the into [TS]

00:03:04   the computers yeah yeah and if it [TS]

00:03:06   doesn't fit they just press harder and [TS]

00:03:07   if it's your own machine you think about [TS]

00:03:09   it and say perhaps I'm shoving in the [TS]

00:03:10   wrong way let me look at the shape of [TS]

00:03:11   the connectors um yeah and I really to [TS]

00:03:16   think that someone sent me a link to [TS]

00:03:17   this bi-directional USB plug it's like a [TS]

00:03:21   regular USB plug the flat rectangular [TS]

00:03:24   one but inside it where you is normally [TS]

00:03:27   like a sort of plastic block and then [TS]

00:03:29   I'm 1/2 and the whole nailer that's the [TS]

00:03:31   internal asymmetry that makes it so you [TS]

00:03:33   can shove it in the outside fits with [TS]

00:03:36   the inside doesn't so it has to go in [TS]

00:03:37   one particular way so this [TS]

00:03:39   bi-directional USB plug and I'll have a [TS]

00:03:41   link in the show notes has two plastic [TS]

00:03:43   blocks inside the connector and no [TS]

00:03:46   matter which way you put it in one of [TS]

00:03:47   the plastic blocks slides backwards I [TS]

00:03:50   think this is probably a not a great [TS]

00:03:53   design because anytime you put moving [TS]

00:03:54   parts inside of connect there's just one [TS]

00:03:55   more thing to break and I don't even [TS]

00:03:57   know if this is a real connector or just [TS]

00:03:58   a prototype or an idea but it shows that [TS]

00:04:01   someone else out there was thinking [TS]

00:04:02   about this and saying man it's USB plugs [TS]

00:04:04   are stupid what can we do about it I [TS]

00:04:06   mean I I'm tempted to say that would be [TS]

00:04:10   interesting if that caught on but I [TS]

00:04:11   think will probably be bad if that [TS]

00:04:13   caught on because you really can't have [TS]

00:04:14   moving things inside of connectors just [TS]

00:04:16   it seems like the walls the walls of the [TS]

00:04:19   connector themselves need to be not [TS]

00:04:23   lined with a thin little piece of [TS]

00:04:26   minam that's bendable you know it needs [TS]

00:04:28   it needs to it needs to it the fewer [TS]

00:04:31   pins that you can have the better you [TS]

00:04:33   know you think about the the days of [TS]

00:04:35   we've talked about scuzzy drives you [TS]

00:04:38   know it was so easy to screw up the pins [TS]

00:04:41   on those connectors well they don't have [TS]

00:04:43   pins now they have contacts you know [TS]

00:04:45   pins Bend you know and especially with [TS]

00:04:47   these serial interfaces they have you [TS]

00:04:48   know four contacts or whatever and they [TS]

00:04:50   shove those things against the walls of [TS]

00:04:51   the connector and that's better than [TS]

00:04:55   pins but you are relying on the [TS]

00:04:57   structural integrity of the connector [TS]

00:04:58   itself to maintain your connections so [TS]

00:05:04   on the same issue someone brought up the [TS]

00:05:06   dock connector again which I already [TS]

00:05:07   complained about and they mentioned that [TS]

00:05:09   the dock connector is actually [TS]

00:05:11   asymmetrical and if you look really [TS]

00:05:12   closely at the iPod dock connector you [TS]

00:05:14   can see it only does go in one way and [TS]

00:05:15   it's got a little logo on the dock [TS]

00:05:17   connector and you're supposed to make [TS]

00:05:18   that logo face up but it's asymmetrical [TS]

00:05:20   at a very tiny scale unless your vision [TS]

00:05:23   is very good you can't even see that [TS]

00:05:24   it's actually asymmetrical but you have [TS]

00:05:27   to look you have to look for the little [TS]

00:05:28   symbol on top of it to know whether [TS]

00:05:29   you're doing it right right I mean if [TS]

00:05:31   you can look really closely and see the [TS]

00:05:32   edge or you can feel it but it's another [TS]

00:05:35   it's a case where you wish the thing [TS]

00:05:38   really was symmetrical because it's [TS]

00:05:39   asymmetrical so slightly that you you [TS]

00:05:44   have to look at the local you can [TS]

00:05:45   actually look at the connector itself [TS]

00:05:46   versus something like the firewire 400 [TS]

00:05:48   where you can look at that connector and [TS]

00:05:49   see or feel with your fingers very [TS]

00:05:51   easily you know which side is the pointy [TS]

00:05:53   side in which side is not a last bit on [TS]

00:05:57   connectors I was talking about how on [TS]

00:05:59   the on Apple's laptops in recent years [TS]

00:06:02   they've made the connectors go in size [TS]

00:06:04   order along the side from big to small [TS]

00:06:05   from back to front yep and a couple [TS]

00:06:08   people pointed out that the mini [TS]

00:06:09   displayport actually in the show I [TS]

00:06:11   pointed out that when they went to [TS]

00:06:12   MagSafe that kind of screwed it up a [TS]

00:06:14   little bit because Matt the power was [TS]

00:06:15   always at the far back of the machine [TS]

00:06:17   and the power connector used to be a big [TS]

00:06:18   circle but MagSafe is smaller so now [TS]

00:06:21   right away you're starting off with a [TS]

00:06:22   smaller connector and then it gets [TS]

00:06:24   bigger and then smaller from there but [TS]

00:06:26   other people pointed out that the mini [TS]

00:06:27   DisplayPort connector which we'll talk [TS]

00:06:29   about later when they changed from [TS]

00:06:31   whatever they had DVI out or those at [TS]

00:06:33   mini DVI or whatever they can actually [TS]

00:06:35   used to be they changed in mini [TS]

00:06:36   displayport it kind of messed up the [TS]

00:06:37   order because they left it [TS]

00:06:39   well at first they reordered the very [TS]

00:06:41   first machines that mini-displayport [TS]

00:06:42   said we've got a new port and it's [TS]

00:06:43   really small so it goes closer to the [TS]

00:06:45   front of the machine so we still have [TS]

00:06:46   our nice size order but things like one [TS]

00:06:48   or two revisions ago they reordered the [TS]

00:06:50   ports again and they shove the mini [TS]

00:06:53   displayport back a couple spots so it [TS]

00:06:55   was like big small or small or super [TS]

00:06:57   small a little bit bigger you know so [TS]

00:06:59   the overall trend was still big to small [TS]

00:07:00   but at mini DisplayPort broke up the [TS]

00:07:02   pattern a little bit so maybe they are [TS]

00:07:04   moving away from the strict size order [TS]

00:07:06   thing and just sticking with the roughly [TS]

00:07:08   size order and a few ports move [TS]

00:07:10   backwards and forwards so I guess you'd [TS]

00:07:12   have to call that progress um and the [TS]

00:07:16   other bit of off I want to do is on [TS]

00:07:18   audio quality I got a lot of feedback [TS]

00:07:20   from this when I was talking about how I [TS]

00:07:22   don't remember what show it was was [TS]

00:07:23   talking about how I don't like to buy a [TS]

00:07:25   lossy compressed audio and rather advice [TS]

00:07:27   is figure to get a physical backup and [TS]

00:07:29   the audio quality is better and how that [TS]

00:07:31   sort of digital music resolution a [TS]

00:07:33   revolution has made us take a step back [TS]

00:07:36   in audio quality where as it looked like [TS]

00:07:38   we were going to go from CD to super [TS]

00:07:39   audio CD or DVD audio or something that [TS]

00:07:41   had better audio quality instead we went [TS]

00:07:43   from CD to mp3 and other formats that [TS]

00:07:46   less quality than than CD and a lot of [TS]

00:07:50   the audio files send me information [TS]

00:07:52   about where I can get higher quality at [TS]

00:07:54   digital music there's a couple different [TS]

00:07:55   websites we can find that it's obviously [TS]

00:07:59   they don't have everything and a lot of [TS]

00:08:00   it is like classical or obscure stuff or [TS]

00:08:02   linked a couple of them the show notes [TS]

00:08:04   one of them I thought I'd heard it [TS]

00:08:05   before was called HD tracks comm what [TS]

00:08:08   kind of music do you actually listen to [TS]

00:08:11   enough I guess it's the typical [TS]

00:08:15   geeks my age music so I think there's a [TS]

00:08:18   lot of people who are who are our age [TS]

00:08:21   who like Bruce Springsteen and and the [TS]

00:08:26   bands of that era like I like it you [TS]

00:08:28   know REM you to that type of thing that [TS]

00:08:30   pop bands from the 80s and 90s not a lot [TS]

00:08:34   of Lady Gaga and then I also have more [TS]

00:08:37   modern music that I listen to which like [TS]

00:08:39   I think a lot of geeks like Radiohead [TS]

00:08:40   and I'm one of those as well and believe [TS]

00:08:43   it or not I resisted Lady gaga for a [TS]

00:08:45   long time because I've just not into [TS]

00:08:47   that type of thing or the whole shtick [TS]

00:08:49   or whatever but it's good music so I do [TS]

00:08:51   listen to Lady Gaga I'm a fan [TS]

00:08:53   they'll tip me too so when I what about [TS]

00:08:55   Katy Perry and she is a pale imitation [TS]

00:08:58   of Lady gaga [TS]

00:08:59   I didn't really shell an email [TS]

00:09:02   invitation well it's similar I like her [TS]

00:09:05   music dance beats poppy kind of stuff [TS]

00:09:09   but trying to have an edge and she's [TS]

00:09:11   just not as talented [TS]

00:09:12   I mean she's not bad she has some songs [TS]

00:09:14   that are okay but what do you kids [TS]

00:09:16   listen to do you allow them to listen to [TS]

00:09:18   music I'm into music yet I don't think [TS]

00:09:21   they listen to you know we played all [TS]

00:09:24   the kids see these in the cars you know [TS]

00:09:26   that they might be giants and we try to [TS]

00:09:28   keep it better [TS]

00:09:29   Philadelphia chickens is a good one if [TS]

00:09:31   you got kids up there get that one it's [TS]

00:09:34   a good stuff um but anyway that's it I [TS]

00:09:38   follow up or do sir no no I got I got a [TS]

00:09:40   talk a little bit more about the audio [TS]

00:09:42   quality stuff okay so the other point [TS]

00:09:46   that I meant to bring up about the audio [TS]

00:09:47   quality was it I think I touched her [TS]

00:09:49   briefly but more people sent me feedback [TS]

00:09:51   on it was that it's not just that we [TS]

00:09:56   went down in quality when we went from [TS]

00:09:58   CD to mp3 it's also when we went from [TS]

00:10:00   vinyl to CD that there was another [TS]

00:10:02   phenomenon going on at the same time [TS]

00:10:04   which is uh known colloquially as the [TS]

00:10:06   loudness war have you heard in this sure [TS]

00:10:09   have ya oh you're an audio guy you know [TS]

00:10:11   all about this so I put two links in the [TS]

00:10:13   show notes about this one is the [TS]

00:10:14   Wikipedia page on the loudness wall and [TS]

00:10:16   the other one is a YouTube video that [TS]

00:10:17   explains it but it basically means that [TS]

00:10:20   they took out the dynamic range of the [TS]

00:10:22   music so when they mastered the music [TS]

00:10:24   you can choose to do whatever you want [TS]

00:10:25   with the waveform and what they did was [TS]

00:10:27   they made it so the entire track is [TS]

00:10:30   louder rather than having quiet parts [TS]

00:10:32   and loud parts and as anyone who's ever [TS]

00:10:34   sold stereo speakers or been in that [TS]

00:10:36   environment knows a lot of music sounds [TS]

00:10:38   better to customers so everyone wants [TS]

00:10:41   their music to sound better and to make [TS]

00:10:43   your music sound better you just make it [TS]

00:10:44   louder but by making the whole thing [TS]

00:10:45   loud or you have a loudness threshold [TS]

00:10:47   that you can can't go beyond on the on [TS]

00:10:49   the track itself right so if you put [TS]

00:10:51   your dial on five and you play your [TS]

00:10:53   track it will sound the quiet parts will [TS]

00:10:56   sound more quiet than someone else's [TS]

00:10:57   track that was heavily compressed and [TS]

00:10:59   that made you know the quiet parts [TS]

00:11:00   almost as loud as the loud parts what's [TS]

00:11:02   interesting is is on this lavish War [TS]

00:11:04   Wikipedia page [TS]

00:11:06   it shows it has an animated gif which is [TS]

00:11:09   all of the show of how we should [TS]

00:11:10   pronounce that that shows a little [TS]

00:11:14   waveform in 1983 87 93 and 2000 and it's [TS]

00:11:20   all of the same song which is something [TS]

00:11:22   by the Beatles and it shows how it's [TS]

00:11:24   been mastered over CD all the way back [TS]

00:11:27   since that first release I guess in 83 [TS]

00:11:29   and in 2000 the the green waveform [TS]

00:11:33   completely fill of the track completely [TS]

00:11:35   fills the the image that's how much [TS]

00:11:38   louder they've made it and it's not it's [TS]

00:11:41   not just like when you say loudness [TS]

00:11:43   people get confused because like well [TS]

00:11:44   doesn't that just depend on the volume [TS]

00:11:45   knob it's it's the waveform itself it's [TS]

00:11:47   the difference between the quiet parts [TS]

00:11:49   and the loud parts and if you eliminate [TS]

00:11:52   that difference so that the quiet parts [TS]

00:11:53   and loud parts are basically the same [TS]

00:11:54   volume you've lost a lot of the what [TS]

00:11:58   they call dynamic range in the song the [TS]

00:11:59   YouTube video shows an animation of this [TS]

00:12:02   and they play the audio so if you want [TS]

00:12:03   to hear an example this it's a little [TS]

00:12:05   bit more difficult to hear them to see [TS]

00:12:07   but visually it's very striking when you [TS]

00:12:09   see those waveforms like that and this [TS]

00:12:12   really doesn't have much to do with [TS]

00:12:13   quality except for the fact that you [TS]

00:12:15   know the the you know the bitrate of the [TS]

00:12:18   audio whichever I forget which statistic [TS]

00:12:21   of the audio files corresponds to the [TS]

00:12:23   loudness but there was a ceiling on CDs [TS]

00:12:27   that supposedly didn't exist as much in [TS]

00:12:31   vinyl and on that side of the coin what [TS]

00:12:33   they're trying to do now is get higher [TS]

00:12:35   quality audio files like that HD tracks [TS]

00:12:36   places higher quality audio files more [TS]

00:12:39   bits per sample and more samples per [TS]

00:12:40   second brain is what well stand Emory [TS]

00:12:42   and it was a story floating around last [TS]

00:12:44   week they kind of got stomped on by the [TS]

00:12:46   Apple news that came later about Apple [TS]

00:12:48   supposedly in talks with I guess with [TS]

00:12:51   the the labels or whoever else to put [TS]

00:12:52   higher quality music on there their [TS]

00:12:54   store and they've done that once before [TS]

00:12:55   they went from 128 kilobits a C's to 256 [TS]

00:12:59   but now they're supposedly in talks to [TS]

00:13:02   change the number of bits per sample [TS]

00:13:04   from 16 bits per sample to 24 and [TS]

00:13:06   perhaps increasing the sample rate from [TS]

00:13:08   whatever it is 44 kilohertz to 96 [TS]

00:13:11   kilohertz these are all those rumors you [TS]

00:13:13   don't know really what's happening but [TS]

00:13:14   it's good to see that there's some [TS]

00:13:16   motion that front of course the reason [TS]

00:13:18   for it is [TS]

00:13:19   kind of sent a goal and that I think [TS]

00:13:22   they just want to be able to charge more [TS]

00:13:23   and to make people rebuy the same music [TS]

00:13:25   again they want to have that thing where [TS]

00:13:26   it's like hey upgrade your whole library [TS]

00:13:28   to the new super high quality audio [TS]

00:13:29   files for just 30 cents for each track [TS]

00:13:31   and they love to get you to pay more [TS]

00:13:32   money for things you already own and but [TS]

00:13:35   if they do do this change and if they [TS]

00:13:38   provide lossless audio or maybe even if [TS]

00:13:39   they don't they may actually be offering [TS]

00:13:41   something that's better than the CD [TS]

00:13:43   quality which will be a first for a [TS]

00:13:45   mass-market music sales so I'm glad to [TS]

00:13:48   see some motion in this area any kind of [TS]

00:13:51   changes that at least acknowledge that [TS]

00:13:53   there's something else I think in are [TS]

00:13:55   good and I've read articles too that [TS]

00:13:57   just talk about the current generation [TS]

00:13:59   of people where if you play them in mp3 [TS]

00:14:02   they will prefer the sound of an mp3 to [TS]

00:14:07   what we would think of as an old-school [TS]

00:14:09   you know vinyl recording they like they [TS]

00:14:13   like the sizzle of the compression [TS]

00:14:14   artifact right that's a reassuring to [TS]

00:14:16   them or they'll is the same sort of way [TS]

00:14:18   that a vinyl person would like the the [TS]

00:14:20   hiss and the pop of your going odd it is [TS]

00:14:23   that I mean I think that's just you [TS]

00:14:26   can't really go by what they want if you [TS]

00:14:27   give them higher quality audio without [TS]

00:14:30   that sizzle it's not like they'll reject [TS]

00:14:32   it even if they in a be testing they [TS]

00:14:35   have a preference for the other one [TS]

00:14:36   they'll get used to whatever they get [TS]

00:14:37   used to the whole reason they like the [TS]

00:14:39   sizzles because they're used to it so I [TS]

00:14:40   don't think that's going to be a [TS]

00:14:41   limiting factor where people are going [TS]

00:14:43   to say well I would give this higher [TS]

00:14:44   audio quality file but during the drum [TS]

00:14:46   solo section I like that crackling sound [TS]

00:14:47   of compression artifact an always [TS]

00:14:50   recompress the song if you want that [TS]

00:14:51   yeah yeah so that's all I've got for [TS]

00:14:55   follow up I think for this episode [TS]

00:14:57   because we got a lot we did get we did [TS]

00:14:59   get one more person or two emailing to [TS]

00:15:01   say they would like to hear why you [TS]

00:15:03   don't have a smartphone why you don't [TS]

00:15:05   have an iPhone rather yeah stragglers [TS]

00:15:07   people listening to the podcast don't [TS]

00:15:08   realize they're listening to an episode [TS]

00:15:10   from last week [TS]

00:15:11   I predict I'll be I predict that we get [TS]

00:15:14   emails about that every time somebody [TS]

00:15:16   discovers that show so we will be [TS]

00:15:19   getting emails about that for the next I [TS]

00:15:21   would say couple years maybe maybe [TS]

00:15:24   indefinitely that's all right I think [TS]

00:15:27   you should answer you don't ever answer [TS]

00:15:28   these people though [TS]

00:15:30   I usually say listen to episode number [TS]

00:15:32   whatever it was oh you do you not CC'ing [TS]

00:15:34   me it's not it's not enough that I can't [TS]

00:15:36   reply if someone is on Twitter I'll I'll [TS]

00:15:38   just do a quick out reply and says you [TS]

00:15:40   know listen to the next episode or [TS]

00:15:42   whatever sometimes people apologize and [TS]

00:15:43   say they didn't realize it was they were [TS]

00:15:47   listen to an episode in the past but no [TS]

00:15:48   big deal it's mostly blame you for it [TS]

00:15:50   because really you're the one who made [TS]

00:15:51   the call for feedback mmm that's true I [TS]

00:15:54   did yeah so now on on to the news right [TS]

00:15:57   the new the new stuff so yesterday [TS]

00:16:01   Thursday and by the way we should [TS]

00:16:02   mention I should I should get in the [TS]

00:16:03   habit because this this show does [TS]

00:16:05   although I think personally that this [TS]

00:16:08   show could be listened to not just in a [TS]

00:16:10   week or a month from now but decades [TS]

00:16:12   from now and it would still be 99% [TS]

00:16:14   relevant I wouldn't go that far I didn't [TS]

00:16:17   ask if you would on but it is important [TS]

00:16:22   though John to mention that that today [TS]

00:16:26   is Friday February 25th yesterday was [TS]

00:16:29   the 24th it's 2011 so in case you're [TS]

00:16:31   listening to this in a decade you can [TS]

00:16:34   look back on this yesterday is when [TS]

00:16:36   Apple came out with made the [TS]

00:16:39   announcement rather so let me make sure [TS]

00:16:41   that that was yesterday right yep [TS]

00:16:44   yesterday okay so yesterday February [TS]

00:16:46   Johnny's birthday it was Steve Jobs [TS]

00:16:48   birthday it was apparently so February [TS]

00:16:50   24th 2011 Apple made this announcement [TS]

00:16:53   of the new MacBook Pros and they also [TS]

00:16:56   announced the Thunderbolt stuff and they [TS]

00:16:59   also in made available for Mac [TS]

00:17:02   developers lion to download and revealed [TS]

00:17:05   their line page and had a whole bunch of [TS]

00:17:08   information about that so the Developer [TS]

00:17:10   Preview became available there's a few [TS]

00:17:12   things that we'd like to talk about we [TS]

00:17:13   want to obviously we want to talk about [TS]

00:17:14   Thunderbolt in in general right and [TS]

00:17:18   number two we definitely want to talk [TS]

00:17:21   about how they play into the whole [TS]

00:17:22   MacBook Pro number three we're going to [TS]

00:17:24   talk about of course lion but we have to [TS]

00:17:28   limit ourselves to what we can say about [TS]

00:17:30   lion and the reason is both you and I [TS]

00:17:33   are Mac app developers and and because [TS]

00:17:37   or we're Apple developers so too so that [TS]

00:17:40   means we're under NDA [TS]

00:17:42   so we have to limit although we know I [TS]

00:17:44   both you and I know a lot more than [TS]

00:17:47   we're going to be able to say we have to [TS]

00:17:48   limit what we can say to what has been [TS]

00:17:51   made publicly available because [TS]

00:17:53   otherwise we're breaking our NDA talking [TS]

00:17:55   about it [TS]

00:17:55   plus I have another reason to limit what [TS]

00:17:57   I say in that when new OS developer [TS]

00:18:01   release comes out I tend to stop talking [TS]

00:18:03   about it a little bit because I know I'm [TS]

00:18:05   going to have to write a big article [TS]

00:18:06   about it and if I talk about every [TS]

00:18:07   single thing that's going to be in the [TS]

00:18:08   article the article becomes boring so I [TS]

00:18:10   gotta save some yeah you're gonna save [TS]

00:18:11   it I mean that's your bread and butter [TS]

00:18:13   so it's more about dessert yeah that's a [TS]

00:18:17   good way to put it so you have to [TS]

00:18:19   reserve some but you know that there is [TS]

00:18:22   we do need to talk about it and it is [TS]

00:18:24   very cool but we're going to have to [TS]

00:18:26   limit now here's the question time do we [TS]

00:18:27   have to limit ourselves to what's on [TS]

00:18:28   apple's site or can we do just have to [TS]

00:18:30   limit ourselves to what if somebody else [TS]

00:18:32   broke the NDA [TS]

00:18:33   and publish something I think once [TS]

00:18:35   something's on the public web we can [TS]

00:18:37   talk about screenshots that anybody can [TS]

00:18:38   see on a public website because we're [TS]

00:18:40   not the ones breaking that NDA it's [TS]

00:18:42   someone else did and put those [TS]

00:18:43   screenshots up and we're just looking at [TS]

00:18:44   them and don't you smoke can we see on [TS]

00:18:46   the web again all right I'm with you [TS]

00:18:49   it's nice how you got me to say that by [TS]

00:18:52   the way so when the Apple black [TS]

00:18:53   helicopters come you can say I asked him [TS]

00:18:55   and he said it was okay yeah they throw [TS]

00:18:59   us both in different you know different [TS]

00:19:01   interrogation rooms and well they got [TS]

00:19:03   recorded a recorded record now they do [TS]

00:19:05   all that so yeah you are you are [TS]

00:19:07   culpable yeah so then what do we want to [TS]

00:19:11   do first a new MacBook Pro so and I have [TS]

00:19:13   a theory I have a theater an over [TS]

00:19:15   arching theory about Lion in general [TS]

00:19:19   that I'll talk to you about and you [TS]

00:19:21   probably already thought of this and I'd [TS]

00:19:22   like to hear if you think it's true but [TS]

00:19:24   back to the new met so the new MacBook [TS]

00:19:26   Pros come out they've got faster CPUs [TS]

00:19:29   they've got new graphics cards in them [TS]

00:19:31   they're faster Apple also decided to use [TS]

00:19:35   in the the same metric that they were [TS]

00:19:37   using to measure the MacBook Airs [TS]

00:19:40   battery life they have now applied this [TS]

00:19:43   same technique or measurement style to [TS]

00:19:47   the MacBook Pros so although it they now [TS]

00:19:51   are reporting a shorter battery life [TS]

00:19:53   than they had before [TS]

00:19:54   apples saying that the battery life is [TS]

00:19:56   actually not shorter we're just [TS]

00:19:58   measuring it differently yeah that's [TS]

00:20:01   always boudu anyway [TS]

00:20:02   ya know real life if they were if they [TS]

00:20:04   think the zoo methodology is better than [TS]

00:20:05   fine but what what you always go by what [TS]

00:20:08   I always go by is I look at the the the [TS]

00:20:10   power rating for the battery how many uh [TS]

00:20:12   whatever it is uh [TS]

00:20:13   milliwatts hours or whatever and then [TS]

00:20:17   just look at the CPU and say well is [TS]

00:20:19   this is a CPU or screen or any other [TS]

00:20:21   components they take more or less power [TS]

00:20:22   than the previous revision or they about [TS]

00:20:24   the same and then you look at the rating [TS]

00:20:26   for the battery and say this is battery [TS]

00:20:27   bigger or smaller than it used to be and [TS]

00:20:28   you can usually get a good feel for will [TS]

00:20:30   this have similar battery life to the [TS]

00:20:33   previous model and I think in this case [TS]

00:20:35   I don't think they shrunk the battery at [TS]

00:20:37   all so I would I would imagine that the [TS]

00:20:39   and I think the CPU and everything the [TS]

00:20:41   screen are comparable in terms of power [TS]

00:20:43   draw especially on the low-end model [TS]

00:20:45   where they don't even have a discrete [TS]

00:20:46   GPU anymore but that's that's getting [TS]

00:20:49   ahead let me give my quick overview of [TS]

00:20:51   the the MacBook Pros please so I was a [TS]

00:20:54   little bit not disappointed but I guess [TS]

00:20:57   it was an unrealistic expectation but I [TS]

00:21:00   was really hoping that they would WoW me [TS]

00:21:02   by introducing a new line of MacBook [TS]

00:21:04   Pros that were designed around the lack [TS]

00:21:06   of an optical drive because you can do [TS]

00:21:09   lots of interesting things if you decide [TS]

00:21:11   I'm going to make a laptop that doesn't [TS]

00:21:13   have an optical drive inside it and I'm [TS]

00:21:16   not saying you have to make it like a [TS]

00:21:17   MacBook Air because you would make [TS]

00:21:18   different trade-offs here you wouldn't [TS]

00:21:19   say make this as thin as humanly [TS]

00:21:21   possible you would say take the room [TS]

00:21:23   that used to be occupied by that optical [TS]

00:21:25   drive or take some of it at least and [TS]

00:21:27   use it for something else and you can do [TS]

00:21:28   lots of stuff with that space you can [TS]

00:21:29   put the biggest thing you can do is you [TS]

00:21:31   put more battery there yeah and that's [TS]

00:21:33   spot or whatever to rearrange the [TS]

00:21:34   internals to reuse that space to give [TS]

00:21:36   yourself a bigger battery and who [TS]

00:21:37   doesn't who doesn't like that right you [TS]

00:21:38   can make it a little bit smaller than it [TS]

00:21:40   used to be maybe a little bit thinner a [TS]

00:21:42   little bit narrow or something and you [TS]

00:21:45   can also if you decided you could use [TS]

00:21:46   that that space to give yourself room [TS]

00:21:49   for like another hard drive or a regular [TS]

00:21:52   2.5 inch SSD for like hybrid storage or [TS]

00:21:55   one of those non you know one of those [TS]

00:21:57   sort of on a card SSD things like in the [TS]

00:21:59   airs now you can do lots of interesting [TS]

00:22:01   things but apparently Apple's not ready [TS]

00:22:03   to take that step yet and you can kind [TS]

00:22:05   of understand people really do want [TS]

00:22:06   obstacles that would be [TS]

00:22:08   is he fit about them all gotta buy this [TS]

00:22:09   $79 external obstacle and the whole [TS]

00:22:12   point of a laptop is to have an [TS]

00:22:13   all-in-one machine I watch DVDs in the [TS]

00:22:15   planning I do X Y & Z so we're not there [TS]

00:22:17   yet I guess for getting rid of the [TS]

00:22:19   obstacles but it was just something I [TS]

00:22:21   would have liked to seen so given that [TS]

00:22:24   they didn't ditch the optical drive in [TS]

00:22:25   these and given the the Thunderbolt [TS]

00:22:28   thing which we'll talk about in a bit [TS]

00:22:30   these strike me as transitional machines [TS]

00:22:32   so that basically makes the last [TS]

00:22:35   revision of the MacBooks the peak of [TS]

00:22:37   that iteration and that iteration being [TS]

00:22:40   the ones with firewire and USB unibody [TS]

00:22:43   and with with discrete GPUs and in truth [TS]

00:22:49   they were getting a little long in the [TS]

00:22:50   tooth like they had the Core 2 Duo and [TS]

00:22:51   the low end model that's an ancient CPU [TS]

00:22:53   but if you want to look like the [TS]

00:22:56   generations of these things that was [TS]

00:22:58   sort of the end of the line for the [TS]

00:22:59   MacBook as we know it that had been [TS]

00:23:01   survived for three or four revisions and [TS]

00:23:02   now they're starting on a new generation [TS]

00:23:05   of MacBooks and this one is kind of the [TS]

00:23:09   the awkward one where they haven't [TS]

00:23:11   really gone all-in on it they've got the [TS]

00:23:12   new architecture inside there where [TS]

00:23:14   we've got the integrated graphics [TS]

00:23:15   controller on the low-end model so no [TS]

00:23:18   more discrete GPU because Intel's [TS]

00:23:20   internal Intel's on-die GPU is finally [TS]

00:23:23   non sucky like it's not great but it's [TS]

00:23:27   about as good as the old separate GPU [TS]

00:23:31   and so you got a lower power there [TS]

00:23:34   you've got a more modern CPU so it's a [TS]

00:23:36   whole new architecture inside for that [TS]

00:23:38   and I've got this Thunderbolt port on [TS]

00:23:41   there right that supposedly someday [TS]

00:23:44   might replace all sorts of other ports [TS]

00:23:45   but all the other ports are still there [TS]

00:23:47   so you haven't ditched the optical and [TS]

00:23:49   you've added this awesome new [TS]

00:23:50   interconnect but you haven't ditched all [TS]

00:23:52   the other ports so this is clearly like [TS]

00:23:54   the weird transitional machine between [TS]

00:23:56   the old MacBook Pros that we knew and [TS]

00:23:59   the new MacBook Pros that are going to [TS]

00:24:00   have maybe just a couple of Thunderbolt [TS]

00:24:02   ports no more optical drive thinner or [TS]

00:24:04   lighter more like chunkier MacBook Air [TS]

00:24:07   right right right right and it is [TS]

00:24:11   interesting that they didn't I'm glad [TS]

00:24:13   that they didn't stick with the on-die [TS]

00:24:15   GPU for the high-end models because they [TS]

00:24:17   still have discreet GPUs and I actually [TS]

00:24:19   have pretty impressive discreet GPUs [TS]

00:24:21   like I mean [TS]

00:24:22   highest of high end 15 inch and 17 [TS]

00:24:25   inches they got a gigabyte of dedicated [TS]

00:24:27   vram that's more than my mac pro has on [TS]

00:24:30   its card so that's kind of depressing [TS]

00:24:32   although it is kind of said that you [TS]

00:24:34   know when you've got the integrated [TS]

00:24:35   on-die GPU it each part of your system [TS]

00:24:37   memory because it doesn't use dedicated [TS]

00:24:39   vram it's not a speed issue it's just [TS]

00:24:41   that you're out basically 384 megabytes [TS]

00:24:43   of system memory because the GPU wants [TS]

00:24:45   to use that I'm sure it doesn't use all [TS]

00:24:47   of it all the time or maybe does [TS]

00:24:49   pre-allocate it either way it's kind of [TS]

00:24:50   rude that the GPU is eating some of your [TS]

00:24:53   system memory but the lower even the [TS]

00:24:56   lower end machines are starting out with [TS]

00:24:58   your starting out with a lot more system [TS]

00:25:00   memory in these particular models than [TS]

00:25:02   ever before isn't that right I [TS]

00:25:05   what are they standard for and the [TS]

00:25:06   maximum 8 now I think so I'm actually [TS]

00:25:08   looking right now if I have to go to [TS]

00:25:11   like the Buy Now link to see ok so the [TS]

00:25:13   low is the lowest end one has four cakes [TS]

00:25:15   of RAM right everybody in fact they all [TS]

00:25:17   have four gigs standard that's a [TS]

00:25:21   reasonable but the fact that they max [TS]

00:25:23   out at 8 d can you confirm that I have a [TS]

00:25:25   maxed out at 8 I'm going to I'm going to [TS]

00:25:26   try this right now and I'll tell you [TS]

00:25:28   what I'll tell you what they do theirs [TS]

00:25:30   and I'm also going to check and see if [TS]

00:25:32   there's different differences in the [TS]

00:25:33   models but if I'm if I go to the site [TS]

00:25:36   right now yeah that's it I have 2 [TS]

00:25:38   options I can either do 4 gigs or 8 gigs [TS]

00:25:41   and it looks more to go to 8 Jerome says [TS]

00:25:43   max is 8 and it's getting at the point [TS]

00:25:45   now where the the power users really [TS]

00:25:49   want more especially since these [TS]

00:25:50   machines have for real cores and with [TS]

00:25:52   hyper-threading it shows is 8 virtual [TS]

00:25:54   cores they have they have a pretty darn [TS]

00:25:55   good GPU with a gigabyte of dedicated [TS]

00:25:57   vram you'd want to do you can do lots of [TS]

00:26:01   stuff on this thing but with 8 gigs of [TS]

00:26:03   ram you know forget about doing stuff [TS]

00:26:04   like oh I want to have 3 virtual [TS]

00:26:05   machines running yeah you can handle it [TS]

00:26:08   but you just don't have enough RAM for [TS]

00:26:09   that you know I want to run all my Mac [TS]

00:26:10   apps plus some VMs and open I'm sorry [TS]

00:26:12   I'm out of RAM yeah you're absolutely [TS]

00:26:13   right I mean even a lot of people who [TS]

00:26:15   are doing video editing work or Final [TS]

00:26:17   Cut Pro stuff or even audio editing and [TS]

00:26:20   you know Photoshop work those all take [TS]

00:26:22   so much so much RAM that I know a lot of [TS]

00:26:25   people who you know eight-eight is the [TS]

00:26:28   entry point for them yeah and you say [TS]

00:26:30   well it's a portable it's not suppose [TS]

00:26:32   are supposed to be desktop replacement [TS]

00:26:33   machines these days and then that gets [TS]

00:26:35   to my over my overarching theory but [TS]

00:26:37   we'll get to that in a minute yeah and [TS]

00:26:39   and it's not just the desktop [TS]

00:26:40   replacements just that they just have [TS]

00:26:42   tremendous power like they they are [TS]

00:26:44   going to be faster in some things than a [TS]

00:26:46   Mac Pro's from not too many years ago [TS]

00:26:47   you know so this especially if you've [TS]

00:26:50   got them plugged into a desk and you've [TS]

00:26:51   got an extra mono monitor attached and [TS]

00:26:53   everything the RAM is the thing that's [TS]

00:26:55   limiting you and it's it's a shame [TS]

00:26:57   because you're like I'm not limited [TS]

00:26:58   because I had to get a low-power GPU I'm [TS]

00:27:00   not limited because you know it's [TS]

00:27:01   portable or there is heat concerns or [TS]

00:27:03   anything like that I'm limited by they [TS]

00:27:04   just couldn't stick anymore Ram isn't [TS]

00:27:06   that's another thing you can make room [TS]

00:27:07   for if you ditch the optical drive put [TS]

00:27:08   in another slot and yeah so I think [TS]

00:27:13   that's pretty much all I have to say on [TS]

00:27:14   the MacBook Pros beyond the Thunderbolt [TS]

00:27:16   port you want to do your your theory now [TS]

00:27:17   which I think I probably have an inkling [TS]

00:27:19   of what it is all right no you say what [TS]

00:27:21   it is I'm thinking that you you are [TS]

00:27:23   under the impression as everyone else is [TS]

00:27:24   by looking at the sales charts that [TS]

00:27:26   Apple is becoming more and more laptop [TS]

00:27:29   company than incidentally cells a few [TS]

00:27:30   desktops on the side absolutely that [TS]

00:27:32   they are basically trying to feel the [TS]

00:27:35   line of laptops that cover all possible [TS]

00:27:38   bases and the outliers that have to go [TS]

00:27:41   desktop they're trying to get there [TS]

00:27:44   smaller and smaller well in everything [TS]

00:27:45   everything that we know about Lion it [TS]

00:27:48   absolutely confirms that and I'll and [TS]

00:27:50   I'll tell you why just just looking at [TS]

00:27:53   the way that and again this this is all [TS]

00:27:56   stuff none I do have line running on an [TS]

00:27:59   iMac right here but that's not what I'm [TS]

00:28:02   talking about and that's not what I'm [TS]

00:28:03   going to be talking about I'm going to [TS]

00:28:05   be talking about what you can actually [TS]

00:28:06   see by going to apples apples Lion page [TS]

00:28:11   which you can find at apple.com slash [TS]

00:28:13   Mac OS and of course I know that it's [TS]

00:28:16   Mac OS 10 but it's Mac OS X of course [TS]

00:28:19   slash lion and if you go to this page [TS]

00:28:23   there's not only screenshots there but [TS]

00:28:25   there's also videos there and the video [TS]

00:28:26   that that you can look at that really [TS]

00:28:29   explains my really kind of [TS]

00:28:33   exemplifies my theory is under the [TS]

00:28:35   gestures and animation section there's a [TS]

00:28:37   little video there that says get [TS]

00:28:39   animated and if you watch that video you [TS]

00:28:42   see the the perfect human hand that [TS]

00:28:46   reaches from from out there and you see [TS]

00:28:50   it using you see it using gestures and [TS]

00:28:54   working through you know using Mission [TS]

00:28:57   Control and using full screen apps and [TS]

00:29:00   launchpad and for all of these thing I [TS]

00:29:04   mean first of all looking at looking at [TS]

00:29:06   the full screen apps for example and [TS]

00:29:08   this is a great feature you know there's [TS]

00:29:11   people who will say well I don't like [TS]

00:29:13   full screen apps but there are a lot of [TS]

00:29:15   times where a full screen app really [TS]

00:29:17   does make sense browsing email where [TS]

00:29:20   you're where you are kind of uni tasking [TS]

00:29:22   a full screen app can be really really [TS]

00:29:24   nice to have you might not want a full [TS]

00:29:26   screen app for Photoshop for example you [TS]

00:29:29   might not want it for chat but certainly [TS]

00:29:31   navigating between full screen apps or [TS]

00:29:35   using full screen apps effectively [TS]

00:29:37   relies upon having an easy way to to [TS]

00:29:40   work with the different windows or go [TS]

00:29:42   back and forth between them and command [TS]

00:29:44   tab isn't it well gestures actually if [TS]

00:29:48   you don't mind doing gestures and we [TS]

00:29:50   should talk about whether you like doing [TS]

00:29:52   gestures with RSI but if you like doing [TS]

00:29:56   gestures and you find them easy to [TS]

00:29:58   remember guess what it makes it very [TS]

00:30:01   easy to do that the launch the launch [TS]

00:30:03   pad works really really nicely with [TS]

00:30:06   gestures and all of all of the stuff [TS]

00:30:09   that they demo here gestures and and and [TS]

00:30:11   you know all of the navigation things [TS]

00:30:13   that you can do with with with the [TS]

00:30:16   swiping and everything it really really [TS]

00:30:18   works well but here's here's two things [TS]

00:30:20   I was just talking to Sarah Parmenter on [TS]

00:30:23   this morning's daily edition and she's a [TS]

00:30:26   designer a very talented designer and [TS]

00:30:28   she was saying well I have a 27-inch [TS]

00:30:31   screen here and she said you know the [TS]

00:30:35   whole reason that I bought the 27-inch [TS]

00:30:37   screen is because I very often have [TS]

00:30:39   multiple windows side-by-side I don't [TS]

00:30:41   want to switch between them I might be [TS]

00:30:42   developing a web page in one brand a [TS]

00:30:44   browser window and have Photoshop [TS]

00:30:46   we're here and have an editor over here [TS]

00:30:47   and she's got them all on the same [TS]

00:30:49   screen so she doesn't want to switch [TS]

00:30:51   back and forth between full screen apps [TS]

00:30:53   in that situation and so she bought a [TS]

00:30:55   big screen but everything about the way [TS]

00:30:59   that the launch pad works everything [TS]

00:31:01   about the way that a lot of the things [TS]

00:31:03   work in Lyon they imagine not only that [TS]

00:31:06   you have a smaller size screen because [TS]

00:31:09   who wants to have Safari full screen Don [TS]

00:31:11   27-inch and that's crazy but they also [TS]

00:31:16   to work correctly you really want to [TS]

00:31:19   have a trackpad you don't want a mouse [TS]

00:31:22   you know even yes okay the Magic Mouse [TS]

00:31:24   can do some scrolling but the trackpad [TS]

00:31:28   is where it's at for all these gestures [TS]

00:31:30   so it really it's like lion is designed [TS]

00:31:33   with a laptop user in mind I'm not [TS]

00:31:35   saying this is a bad thing I think it's [TS]

00:31:37   a great thing but at the same time a lot [TS]

00:31:40   of what's being touted is the great [TS]

00:31:42   features the cool new stuff is stuff [TS]

00:31:45   that's only really going to make sense [TS]

00:31:46   for a certain kind of machine what do [TS]

00:31:49   you think of that I think that's [TS]

00:31:52   reasonable [TS]

00:31:52   if you imagine from Apple's perspective [TS]

00:31:55   they can say look we're selling tons of [TS]

00:31:56   laptops but laptops are our compromised [TS]

00:31:58   machine you know they're smaller you [TS]

00:32:02   don't have a mouse which despite [TS]

00:32:04   people's love for trackpad is a faster [TS]

00:32:06   and more accurate input device they [TS]

00:32:08   don't have multiple buttons like they do [TS]

00:32:10   on the mouse you know or multiple [TS]

00:32:11   virtual buttons even though they can try [TS]

00:32:14   to kind of say press the upper right [TS]

00:32:16   corner of the trackpad to right click [TS]

00:32:17   and stuff like that it's it's a more [TS]

00:32:19   constrained situation they say look what [TS]

00:32:21   can we do to our OS to make these [TS]

00:32:23   machines that apparently everybody loves [TS]

00:32:24   to buy to make these a better experience [TS]

00:32:27   so it seems like they're actually [TS]

00:32:28   filling a gap they're saying people just [TS]

00:32:31   want to buy laptops laptops are not as [TS]

00:32:33   good as desktops in these ways how can [TS]

00:32:35   we make our OS change our OS in a way [TS]

00:32:37   that makes laptop users more efficient [TS]

00:32:39   so I think that's that's admirable and [TS]

00:32:41   it makes sense from the businesses [TS]

00:32:42   perspective I don't well we'll talk [TS]

00:32:45   about that one gets that line weather [TS]

00:32:46   weather by doing that they're [TS]

00:32:47   compromising the experience for desktop [TS]

00:32:49   users in the process but you know it's [TS]

00:32:53   it's a logical consequence of them [TS]

00:32:55   selling mostly laptops I think there's [TS]

00:32:57   also a little bit of iOS and B in there [TS]

00:32:59   but [TS]

00:32:59   get at all the line stuff yet I want to [TS]

00:33:02   do Thunderbolt first okay and then [TS]

00:33:04   that's fine we can talk about that one [TS]

00:33:06   one other thing people are pointing out [TS]

00:33:08   that oh well there's the Magic Trackpad [TS]

00:33:11   and that's true [TS]

00:33:13   and I have one so yeah you could you [TS]

00:33:17   could use that they're not completely [TS]

00:33:18   closing those people off and saying they [TS]

00:33:20   you can't use it but if you if you were [TS]

00:33:23   to Apple would never reveal this but if [TS]

00:33:25   you were to find out how many magic [TS]

00:33:27   trackpads were sold and not returned or [TS]

00:33:29   how many are were sold and are actually [TS]

00:33:30   in use yeah very small numbers and it's [TS]

00:33:34   because a mouse is more efficient than a [TS]

00:33:35   track that it doesn't mean that people [TS]

00:33:37   like to use a mouse more but if you did [TS]

00:33:38   some sort of contest where you had a [TS]

00:33:39   bunch of squares in the screen people [TS]

00:33:40   have to click them as fast as they can [TS]

00:33:42   based on which one turned yellow or [TS]

00:33:43   something [TS]

00:33:43   mousers would destroy track bit oh yeah [TS]

00:33:45   and any experience you know I mean I [TS]

00:33:47   have one and I like it but I only use it [TS]

00:33:49   in certain situations oh man right so I [TS]

00:33:53   feel like even the efficiency concern is [TS]

00:33:56   there especially for like pro users you [TS]

00:33:58   know going to the other extreme is [TS]

00:34:00   saying like at a certain point you have [TS]

00:34:01   to abandon the mouse like Final Cut Pro [TS]

00:34:02   users who have those colored keyboards [TS]

00:34:04   where they just do everything through [TS]

00:34:05   the keyboard because just any time they [TS]

00:34:06   have to even reach for the mouse it cuts [TS]

00:34:08   down there exactly so there's a long [TS]

00:34:10   scale of people who want efficiency and [TS]

00:34:12   offering a trackpad is a nice way of [TS]

00:34:15   saying hey Desktop guys so you don't [TS]

00:34:17   feel left out you can do some of these [TS]

00:34:18   gestures too but really I think all of [TS]

00:34:20   these features with the gestures and the [TS]

00:34:22   fullscreen and everything are tailored [TS]

00:34:24   to try to make the laptop piece of [TS]

00:34:26   people potentially as efficient as [TS]

00:34:29   desktop people try to close that gap and [TS]

00:34:31   they they go back in the other direction [TS]

00:34:32   just because people don't always want [TS]

00:34:34   what's most efficient they want what [TS]

00:34:35   they enjoy the most and some people [TS]

00:34:36   enjoy dry pads so you know so [TS]

00:34:38   Thunderbolt yeah so first question I [TS]

00:34:41   have for you thunderbolt and until this [TS]

00:34:45   came out it was called light peak but [TS]

00:34:49   that was the cut was the code name for [TS]

00:34:51   it but since Apple is really the first [TS]

00:34:53   machine coming out with these ports you [TS]

00:34:57   get the impression that Apple named it [TS]

00:34:59   Thunderbolt well so that's that's the [TS]

00:35:01   odd thing about this I mentioned I think [TS]

00:35:02   I was like two shows ago we talked about [TS]

00:35:03   a light peak yeah and you know it's for [TS]

00:35:06   years and years light peak has been the [TS]

00:35:08   the thing that's going to replace USB [TS]

00:35:09   and stuff like that an Apple pretty much [TS]

00:35:11   sat out the USB 3 thing because you can [TS]

00:35:13   get PC [TS]

00:35:13   with USB 3 yeah but Apple is not adding [TS]

00:35:16   it to its computer as much to the [TS]

00:35:17   chagrin of people who wanted a faster [TS]

00:35:19   connection that's not firewire [TS]

00:35:20   especially when they had that brief [TS]

00:35:21   grade where they ditched firewire look [TS]

00:35:22   if you're in the ditch far away give us [TS]

00:35:24   something give us something that's fast [TS]

00:35:26   if it's USB to stinks yeah my MacBook [TS]

00:35:28   which is the original unity macbook not [TS]

00:35:31   macbook pro but just regular MacBook [TS]

00:35:34   which I inherited from my wife when she [TS]

00:35:36   upgraded it does not have firewire and [TS]

00:35:38   you know you think you know you can do [TS]

00:35:40   without it but I'll tell you there have [TS]

00:35:43   been so many times when I stopped man [TS]

00:35:45   this thing doesn't have firewire even if [TS]

00:35:47   400 give me something yeah I mean the [TS]

00:35:50   target discommode stuff the stuff that [TS]

00:35:52   you do with laptops with firewire even [TS]

00:35:54   if you just need it once every two years [TS]

00:35:55   that one time you need it you're pissed [TS]

00:35:56   off in Austria very frustrating so so [TS]

00:35:59   there was definitely something coming [TS]

00:36:00   but light peak always had this sort of [TS]

00:36:03   odor about it in that you know based on [TS]

00:36:05   the name light peak it was gonna be an [TS]

00:36:07   optical technology they're going to [TS]

00:36:08   shine light through fiber optic cables [TS]

00:36:10   blinking on and off really really fast [TS]

00:36:11   which is great and very fast but who has [TS]

00:36:14   obstacle cables anywhere in their house [TS]

00:36:16   connected to anything it's not a [TS]

00:36:19   technology that has widespread [TS]

00:36:21   acceptance so there was so many [TS]

00:36:23   questions like what can you can you make [TS]

00:36:24   controller chips for optical connection [TS]

00:36:27   cheaply on a mass scale what are the [TS]

00:36:30   engineering issues involved there well [TS]

00:36:31   how is their ability what about cables [TS]

00:36:33   can they you know break or snap or in [TS]

00:36:36   cold weather or something Oh what's you [TS]

00:36:38   know you don't know you don't know [TS]

00:36:39   anything about it unknown so from a [TS]

00:36:41   consumers perspective it was always like [TS]

00:36:43   light peak well it sounds really cool [TS]

00:36:44   but I'm nervous about anything that I [TS]

00:36:46   don't have experience but the same thing [TS]

00:36:48   same thing from the engineering [TS]

00:36:50   perspective where they're going to say [TS]

00:36:51   so we currently make a bazillion USB [TS]

00:36:54   cables we're going to change to make [TS]

00:36:55   optical cables now an optical controller [TS]

00:36:57   chips I don't know and so that was [TS]

00:37:01   always keeping it in in the distant [TS]

00:37:02   future but it by not using USB 3 the [TS]

00:37:05   reason I could bring it up Michael I [TS]

00:37:06   gotta do something there are faster [TS]

00:37:08   firewire variants this firewire 1600 and [TS]

00:37:11   3200 standards but it was it's pretty [TS]

00:37:13   clear it's been pretty clear for years [TS]

00:37:15   that the firewire thing just didn't [TS]

00:37:16   catch on industry-wide even the video [TS]

00:37:18   guys started changing the USB 2 for the [TS]

00:37:20   consumer handhelds video cameras and [TS]

00:37:21   stuff which is a shame because fara was [TS]

00:37:23   really night but really nice bus and [TS]

00:37:25   everything but [TS]

00:37:27   you know it's just not happening so they [TS]

00:37:29   had to do something and you had to think [TS]

00:37:31   well maybe is going to be light peak and [TS]

00:37:32   that's right up apples alley of like [TS]

00:37:33   it'd be the first one to use this cool [TS]

00:37:35   optical thing but as it turns out what [TS]

00:37:37   they decided to do was launch it perhaps [TS]

00:37:38   sooner than most people expected but not [TS]

00:37:41   go with optical go with cobbler yeah the [TS]

00:37:44   electronic version right and it's still [TS]

00:37:47   the same bus the same protocol it's just [TS]

00:37:49   the physical layer that that's that's [TS]

00:37:50   different and you know you could go up [TS]

00:37:52   the goal in the future and my [TS]

00:37:54   understanding is the big advantage of [TS]

00:37:56   optical over copper is the better range [TS]

00:37:59   it's also faster and faster to light [TS]

00:38:02   travels through current travels through [TS]

00:38:04   the optical media faster than the [TS]

00:38:05   electrons travel through the copper so [TS]

00:38:07   doc do you think down the road then that [TS]

00:38:09   will see Apple starting to make a move [TS]

00:38:12   in that direction do you think that [TS]

00:38:13   they've made a commitment to copper I [TS]

00:38:16   don't think they're in the driver's seat [TS]

00:38:18   for that and I think that the only way [TS]

00:38:20   they'll move away from copper is if they [TS]

00:38:21   hit the limit of it right now [TS]

00:38:23   have you seen what they've done with it [TS]

00:38:24   with Ethernet from you know one concert [TS]

00:38:26   gigabit 10 gig Ethernet they just keep [TS]

00:38:28   pressing and you can also run power over [TS]

00:38:30   the copper and I don't think you can do [TS]

00:38:32   that overall yeah well yeah they were [TS]

00:38:34   just they would just run copper [TS]

00:38:35   alongside it for power or something like [TS]

00:38:36   that so I not to see optical anytime [TS]

00:38:40   soon especially since they have just [TS]

00:38:41   tons of overhead left in the copper it [TS]

00:38:43   seems like with this with this protocol [TS]

00:38:44   I and I think 10 gig Ethernet has an [TS]

00:38:47   optical option for interconnect I forget [TS]

00:38:49   what that is but all these standards are [TS]

00:38:50   like well we're gonna stick with copper [TS]

00:38:52   until we absolutely have to because it's [TS]

00:38:53   just an unknown industry wide about [TS]

00:38:55   consumer mass-market optical stuff [TS]

00:38:57   obviously in the data center and [TS]

00:38:59   everything you've got fire but channel [TS]

00:39:00   East long standing standards that work [TS]

00:39:02   but in the consumer realm people just [TS]

00:39:04   aren't buying optical cables and [TS]

00:39:05   plugging them into anything except for [TS]

00:39:06   their I guess their stereo equipment for [TS]

00:39:08   that one digital audio cable but those [TS]

00:39:10   demands are much much less than sending [TS]

00:39:12   you know hundreds of gigabits per second [TS]

00:39:14   over cables and a big cluster of stuff [TS]

00:39:17   so the other thing that struck me about [TS]

00:39:19   thunderbolt which was the the new name [TS]

00:39:21   for it which kind of makes sense because [TS]

00:39:22   you don't to call something like peak if [TS]

00:39:24   there's no light you know that's just [TS]

00:39:26   kind of rubbing it in well Miss kinda is [TS]

00:39:27   gonna be optical but we couldn't do it [TS]

00:39:29   so like people I thought when the rumors [TS]

00:39:33   came out that Thunderbolt was like [TS]

00:39:34   firewire in that firewire it was Apple's [TS]

00:39:38   trademark name for this I Triple E [TS]

00:39:40   standard [TS]

00:39:41   i Tripoli 1394 or something like that [TS]

00:39:42   that was the lovely non interesting name [TS]

00:39:45   of the standard but Apple trademarked [TS]

00:39:48   firewire for its use and I believe Sony [TS]

00:39:51   trademarked a link a couple people had [TS]

00:39:54   different names for what was essentially [TS]

00:39:55   the same standard but they wanted a [TS]

00:39:56   brand that they owned so a nice offer [TS]

00:39:57   Bolton oh that's it must be Apple's [TS]

00:39:59   trademark for this thing they're doing [TS]

00:40:00   exactly what they did with firewire they [TS]

00:40:02   want their own name and it kind of [TS]

00:40:03   bothers me when they have their own name [TS]

00:40:05   because people would think though [TS]

00:40:06   firewire isn't the same as ilink isn't [TS]

00:40:08   the same as my TV has it I Triple E 1394 [TS]

00:40:11   poor you know it's all the same thing [TS]

00:40:13   but they don't realize it's individual [TS]

00:40:14   companies branding it but when the [TS]

00:40:17   initial official press releases came out [TS]

00:40:18   you look and you see that Thunderbolt is [TS]

00:40:19   Intel's trademark not Apple hmm so I [TS]

00:40:22   don't know who named it but this is not [TS]

00:40:23   a FireWire situation it's not a [TS]

00:40:25   situation where Apple has their own name [TS]

00:40:27   for this thing and we're gonna have to [TS]

00:40:28   deal with this oh well you know you [TS]

00:40:30   Apple people with your Thunderbolt ports [TS]

00:40:32   well we in the PC world have something [TS]

00:40:35   whatever it's going to be Thunderbolt [TS]

00:40:36   everywhere apparently so I'm I was happy [TS]

00:40:38   to see that because it it's a good [TS]

00:40:40   decision by Apple I don't know who came [TS]

00:40:42   up with the name but it's better to have [TS]

00:40:44   a standard name across the industry than [TS]

00:40:45   to have Apple special names because what [TS]

00:40:47   advantages Apple really have from [TS]

00:40:48   getting their own name [TS]

00:40:49   didn't work out that well with firewire [TS]

00:40:51   so let's try a different tactic this [TS]

00:40:53   time um and the connector the connector [TS]

00:40:57   is the other thing yeah went out [TS]

00:41:00   whenever I did research on light peak [TS]

00:41:01   this sort of brought up the whole how I [TS]

00:41:03   hate USB connectors thing is that I [TS]

00:41:05   would say like so this light peak is [TS]

00:41:07   going to be the future like years and [TS]

00:41:08   years ago saw light because gonna be the [TS]

00:41:09   future I gotta look up to see what [TS]

00:41:10   they're doing with these connectors so [TS]

00:41:11   they're gonna screw it up again [TS]

00:41:12   and every time I looked up a light B [TS]

00:41:14   connector all I saw was a USB connector [TS]

00:41:15   but like little optical cables poking [TS]

00:41:17   out of the inside of it I said no not [TS]

00:41:18   again this is this new standard it's a [TS]

00:41:22   generation to leap form we have before [TS]

00:41:24   you're going to use a USB connector um [TS]

00:41:25   and up to the day before the [TS]

00:41:27   announcement up to the day before like [TS]

00:41:29   the the actually that rumor broke if you [TS]

00:41:31   googled for like light peak connector or [TS]

00:41:33   light peak demo or light peak prototype [TS]

00:41:35   each largest USB and they never said [TS]

00:41:38   like this is the connector right [TS]

00:41:39   whenever they had demos at trade shows [TS]

00:41:40   they use USB looking connectors so the [TS]

00:41:43   the when the rumor came out in sort of [TS]

00:41:45   picture it was it was the mini [TS]

00:41:46   displayport thing with a little [TS]

00:41:48   lightning bolt next to it and then they [TS]

00:41:50   DisplayPort for people don't know it [TS]

00:41:51   looks kind of like a square yeah it's [TS]

00:41:53   like little trapezoid [TS]

00:41:54   yeah shaved off corners of a square it's [TS]

00:41:57   it's a externally asymmetrical [TS]

00:42:00   yeah it really really really is I mean [TS]

00:42:03   as far as ports go it's available get [TS]

00:42:06   emails but it really is almost [TS]

00:42:08   impossible to put in the wrong way well [TS]

00:42:10   yeah well it here's the thing about that [TS]

00:42:11   it's it's asymmetrical but barely like [TS]

00:42:14   they should it's so small that yes they [TS]

00:42:16   shaved off the corners of the rectangle [TS]

00:42:17   so you can also can only go in one way [TS]

00:42:19   but it's just barely just a little bit [TS]

00:42:22   of the corner okay here's what Apple [TS]

00:42:24   does with with all of the ports on all [TS]

00:42:26   of their all of their modern hardware [TS]

00:42:28   and I'll tell you why I noticed this I [TS]

00:42:31   was organizing this the studio here [TS]

00:42:33   moving things around and I was moving [TS]

00:42:35   the shelf that the g4 cube was on which [TS]

00:42:38   still is one of the coolest whether it [TS]

00:42:41   was practical or not is did probably not [TS]

00:42:44   but it one of the coolest Mac's that [TS]

00:42:47   Apple ever made and I had moved and I [TS]

00:42:51   had set it down and I noticed the [TS]

00:42:53   underside of it when you look at it [TS]

00:42:55   right now if you if you got a Mac [TS]

00:42:59   especially if it's a portable look at [TS]

00:43:01   the side and you'll see where the ports [TS]

00:43:02   are and the ports are actually recessed [TS]

00:43:05   into the machine about an eighth of an [TS]

00:43:11   inch there so you're dealing with a [TS]

00:43:16   solid aluminum piece of metal that is [TS]

00:43:22   guiding the insertion of your mini [TS]

00:43:26   displayport and all the ports you're [TS]

00:43:28   stealing my thunder here man I made that [TS]

00:43:30   whole point about bending the connectors [TS]

00:43:31   the beginning it'll be the payoff all [TS]

00:43:33   right now you jumped right in man oh you [TS]

00:43:34   do it I was gonna light goes to show [TS]

00:43:37   that great and for 18 I think alike yeah [TS]

00:43:40   but but if you look at the bottom of [TS]

00:43:42   this g4 cube it looks just like one of [TS]

00:43:45   the crappy pcs that you buy it has it [TS]

00:43:48   has all the little aluminum casings just [TS]

00:43:51   bent out in little flat I mean it looks [TS]

00:43:53   terrible I have to take I'll have to [TS]

00:43:54   take a picture of and post it into the [TS]

00:43:56   show notes or something but it mean it [TS]

00:43:58   looks it by today's standards apples to [TS]

00:44:01   the standards today it looks like a [TS]

00:44:03   piece of junk under there and these [TS]

00:44:06   ports that they have on the side are [TS]

00:44:08   so even though it's just shaved you're [TS]

00:44:10   saying continue yeah well I was going to [TS]

00:44:12   say is that even though it is just [TS]

00:44:14   barely asymmetrical and if you look at [TS]

00:44:17   it quickly you might think it's just [TS]

00:44:18   rectangular all of the the laptops at [TS]

00:44:21   least have that aluminum shell that is [TS]

00:44:24   very hard and very precisely machined [TS]

00:44:27   especially in a unibody thing or they're [TS]

00:44:28   you know cut with those high speed [TS]

00:44:30   cutting tools or lasers or whatever it [TS]

00:44:31   is yeah the tolerances are really really [TS]

00:44:33   tight so even though this connector you [TS]

00:44:36   know all is just barely has the corners [TS]

00:44:40   cut off it's very clear that you just [TS]

00:44:43   won't go in the other way [TS]

00:44:43   now I suppose if you were determined ape [TS]

00:44:48   trying to smash this thing in there what [TS]

00:44:50   what you could possibly do is deform the [TS]

00:44:52   plug itself to conform to the aluminum I [TS]

00:44:55   really don't think you're going to have [TS]

00:44:57   any success bending or deforming the [TS]

00:44:59   aluminum the precision cut aluminum [TS]

00:45:01   around that shape so maybe if you [TS]

00:45:03   manhandle it enough to deform the plug [TS]

00:45:05   so that it started to become rounded and [TS]

00:45:06   it could go on backwards maybe you could [TS]

00:45:08   get it in backwards people come right in [TS]

00:45:10   and tell me if they successfully plugged [TS]

00:45:11   into mini displayport backwards but that [TS]

00:45:12   that aluminum shell on apple's machines [TS]

00:45:14   really goes a long way towards helping [TS]

00:45:16   the connectors not be put in backwards [TS]

00:45:18   because it's hard a hard [TS]

00:45:20   thunk where you just try to put it in [TS]

00:45:22   there and it says nope not going this [TS]

00:45:23   way you've got it wrong turn it around [TS]

00:45:24   and they have the logos and everything [TS]

00:45:26   up and down so maybe it's not this is [TS]

00:45:28   what happens when connectors gets [TS]

00:45:29   smaller you still wanted to be [TS]

00:45:31   asymmetrical but as the connector gets [TS]

00:45:32   smaller how you know the the asymmetry [TS]

00:45:35   becomes you know just a few millimeters [TS]

00:45:37   here and there shaved off one edge and [TS]

00:45:40   apples quality design really goes a long [TS]

00:45:42   way towards helping like that better and [TS]

00:45:43   even even on the it's getting to be the [TS]

00:45:45   same way on the Mac Pros and the IMAX 2 [TS]

00:45:47   because they all have that aluminum [TS]

00:45:48   shell and the thing can i pro still have [TS]

00:45:51   plastic grommets around it which makes [TS]

00:45:52   it a little bit looser but I think the [TS]

00:45:54   IMAX are also sort of high-speed machine [TS]

00:45:56   cut or laser cut openings for the plugs [TS]

00:45:59   that just barely fit them in there so [TS]

00:46:02   apples definitely got a leg up there so [TS]

00:46:04   using the mini DisplayPort as the [TS]

00:46:07   connector is good from a connector [TS]

00:46:08   perspective I guess it's small but it's [TS]

00:46:11   good that's future proof because these [TS]

00:46:12   laptops are just going to get thinner [TS]

00:46:13   right and you wouldn't want this big [TS]

00:46:15   honkin connector being a limiting factor [TS]

00:46:16   in how big your laptop is although it [TS]

00:46:19   kind of makes it so now like the rj45 [TS]

00:46:21   for the Ethernet [TS]

00:46:22   is the limit is the limiting factor if [TS]

00:46:24   you really want to have Ethernet I guess [TS]

00:46:26   you can't make your laptop any you know [TS]

00:46:27   thinner than an Ethernet port maybe [TS]

00:46:29   they'll have to come up with like mini [TS]

00:46:30   Ethernet or something like that but [TS]

00:46:31   that's the interesting thing about [TS]

00:46:34   Thunderbolt is that well first of all [TS]

00:46:36   there already was a mini DisplayPort [TS]

00:46:37   there and people still want to use their [TS]

00:46:40   mini DisplayPort and so now you're [TS]

00:46:41   saying this is a Thunderbolt port what [TS]

00:46:43   does what does this mean can I not plug [TS]

00:46:45   in my monitor now you can still plug in [TS]

00:46:46   your monitor to work like at a display [TS]

00:46:48   port what they've done with thunderbolt [TS]

00:46:49   is they have DisplayPort protocol [TS]

00:46:52   running alongside essentially an [TS]

00:46:54   extension of PCI Express which is a [TS]

00:46:56   high-speed bus that was formerly just [TS]

00:46:57   confined to inside the machine exactly [TS]

00:46:59   video cards and stuff like that and [TS]

00:47:00   that's a big deal right and it's going [TS]

00:47:03   alongside the DisplayPort protocol and [TS]

00:47:05   that's sort of the nature of this of the [TS]

00:47:08   Thunderbolt system is that it's a [TS]

00:47:10   virtual extension of two different buses [TS]

00:47:13   so from the perspective of any device [TS]

00:47:16   that has a Thunderbolt controller in it [TS]

00:47:18   when it gets a signal over over the [TS]

00:47:21   Thunderbolt [TS]

00:47:22   you know cable it's decoded by the [TS]

00:47:25   Thunderbolt controller and then the [TS]

00:47:27   device thinks is just plugged into [TS]

00:47:28   whatever the protocol is so if you [TS]

00:47:30   tunnel you know USB over the device [TS]

00:47:32   after it gets past the Thunderbolt [TS]

00:47:33   controller in the device the rest of the [TS]

00:47:35   device thinks is just connected to USB [TS]

00:47:37   directly and the same thing if you had a [TS]

00:47:39   display that had a Thunderbolt [TS]

00:47:40   controller in it the it would you know [TS]

00:47:44   decode the DisplayPort protocol and then [TS]

00:47:47   the rest of the monitor would think oh [TS]

00:47:48   I'm connected directly to DisplayPort [TS]

00:47:50   and same thing for many different [TS]

00:47:51   protocols tunneling different protocols [TS]

00:47:53   over this one bus is is the big feature [TS]

00:47:57   and that's why I think well you know at [TS]

00:47:58   a certain point if that rj45 becomes a [TS]

00:48:00   limiting factor in the thickness of your [TS]

00:48:01   laptops how about we ditch it and just [TS]

00:48:03   have four yeah blender ports under ports [TS]

00:48:06   yes Thunderbolt ports on the side and [TS]

00:48:10   then you just have a series of dongles [TS]

00:48:13   and adapters and annoying stuff like [TS]

00:48:14   that but in theory you could tunnel [TS]

00:48:16   these different protocols over this one [TS]

00:48:19   bus as long as every device connected to [TS]

00:48:22   it has a thunderbolt decoder thing [TS]

00:48:25   inside it and that's that's the problem [TS]

00:48:27   with where we are now in this the [TS]

00:48:29   dawning age of thunderbolt in it the [TS]

00:48:32   mini DisplayPort monitors the Apple [TS]

00:48:33   cells don't have Thunderbolt controllers [TS]

00:48:35   in them [TS]

00:48:36   wasn't even released when they were made [TS]

00:48:37   right they just want to speak [TS]

00:48:39   mini-display port so you can plug that [TS]

00:48:41   into the mini displayport and it will [TS]

00:48:43   get the DisplayPort protocol right over [TS]

00:48:45   at node encoding this is running [TS]

00:48:46   alongside and if you have a chain of [TS]

00:48:48   Thunderbolt devices with theoretical [TS]

00:48:51   Thunderbolt devices I don't know but [TS]

00:48:53   anything's even been announced yet but [TS]

00:48:55   if you had a daisy chain of them if you [TS]

00:48:57   put the monitor as the last item in the [TS]

00:48:59   in the chain then the DisplayPort that's [TS]

00:49:02   been running alongside all the other [TS]

00:49:04   data on this bus previously will go [TS]

00:49:06   directly into the monitor and the [TS]

00:49:07   monitor will read it and do what it does [TS]

00:49:09   now you can't it has to be the end of [TS]

00:49:10   the chain because all its all the [TS]

00:49:12   monitor is going to be reading is the [TS]

00:49:13   DisplayPort signal it doesn't know [TS]

00:49:15   anything about you know the PCI Express [TS]

00:49:17   stuff that's coming over there and it's [TS]

00:49:18   just ignoring it entirely and it [TS]

00:49:20   certainly can't pass it on to any other [TS]

00:49:21   Thunderbolt devices so that's why it has [TS]

00:49:22   to be in the end of the chain so it's [TS]

00:49:26   going to be a long time before we start [TS]

00:49:27   getting devices with these controllers [TS]

00:49:28   in them Intel in its usual way I'm sure [TS]

00:49:31   is going to try to make these [TS]

00:49:31   controllers as cheap as possible and [TS]

00:49:33   give them out like candy to everybody so [TS]

00:49:34   they can put them in all their devices [TS]

00:49:35   and you'll get hubs and switches and [TS]

00:49:37   Thunderbolt apparently is able to be in [TS]

00:49:40   lots of different topologies not just a [TS]

00:49:41   chain but star patterns and all sorts of [TS]

00:49:43   other arrangement so I don't know if [TS]

00:49:46   they're going to be called hubs or [TS]

00:49:47   switches I think they'd be called [TS]

00:49:48   switches because apparently it's a [TS]

00:49:49   switch to fabric and not really a bus [TS]

00:49:51   but right now let's say there were and [TS]

00:49:54   here's here's what other people in the [TS]

00:49:56   chat room at first were kind of asking [TS]

00:49:57   about and there's a I don't know if you [TS]

00:49:59   linked it up but there's a really great [TS]

00:50:00   article on Mac worldcom that answers a [TS]

00:50:03   lot of these questions and like in the [TS]

00:50:05   show notes go okay perfect [TS]

00:50:07   so right now these adapters don't exist [TS]

00:50:11   but when they come out you will be able [TS]

00:50:14   to plug in any USB device or firewire [TS]

00:50:17   device into my thunder bolt and port [TS]

00:50:23   with one of these adapters [TS]

00:50:26   yeah and in most cases it's not you're [TS]

00:50:29   not getting the full promise of the bus [TS]

00:50:31   because so you get one of these adapters [TS]

00:50:32   and you plug in a USB thing oh great now [TS]

00:50:34   you turned your Thunder hole as I was [TS]

00:50:36   earlier in it I turned your one under [TS]

00:50:38   hole into into another USB port so [TS]

00:50:42   instead of your machine having two USB [TS]

00:50:43   ports now has three but you can't then [TS]

00:50:46   daisy chain another Thunderbolt device [TS]

00:50:48   on that because your USB the [TS]

00:50:50   just thinks it's speaking USB it's not [TS]

00:50:52   going to pass on no it's not you're [TS]

00:50:54   basically you're essentially you're [TS]

00:50:56   terminating it as a USB port but but you [TS]

00:51:00   could you could take you could take a [TS]

00:51:02   mouse and put it on that adapter if you [TS]

00:51:05   wanted yeah what you'd really need that [TS]

00:51:07   would be some kind of if you wanted to [TS]

00:51:09   really maximize this so how is there a [TS]

00:51:11   limit of the number of devices that you [TS]

00:51:13   can have in a change it's something like [TS]

00:51:15   six or some scuzzy ish number is the [TS]

00:51:17   limit there's also a length limit it's [TS]

00:51:18   just like any other chaining protocol [TS]

00:51:20   you've got a maximum cable length limit [TS]

00:51:22   for a copper and you've also got a [TS]

00:51:23   maximum number of devices but I think is [TS]

00:51:25   six or seven including the host or [TS]

00:51:27   something okay so if you went out there [TS]

00:51:28   and you bought a legitimate Thunderbolt [TS]

00:51:31   device the Thunderbolt Drive let's say [TS]

00:51:33   you plug that in then you get another [TS]

00:51:35   Thunderbolt drive you plug that in all [TS]

00:51:38   of these are daisy chaining so that [TS]

00:51:40   means that each one of these devices is [TS]

00:51:41   probably going to need to have two ports [TS]

00:51:43   on it one as the pass-through and one is [TS]

00:51:46   that which which a USB device typically [TS]

00:51:48   does not have but firewire devices [TS]

00:51:50   frequently do have I have a few drives [TS]

00:51:52   and have two ports for this reason right [TS]

00:51:55   machine firewire is more like this kind [TS]

00:51:58   of bus it's not like USB words [TS]

00:52:00   master/slave firewire as independent [TS]

00:52:02   devices and that's why they can pass on [TS]

00:52:03   the information and like firewire [TS]

00:52:05   thunder Thunderbolt is full speed [TS]

00:52:08   pass-through so if you have some device [TS]

00:52:10   that's in the middle of the chain it's [TS]

00:52:11   not doing anything it's not slowing down [TS]

00:52:13   any other devices which is unlike USB [TS]

00:52:15   where if you put you know a slow speed [TS]

00:52:16   USB device on the same connector as a [TS]

00:52:20   high speed device in the same chain of [TS]

00:52:21   wires it will slow stuff down right so [TS]

00:52:24   even if the device itself doesn't have [TS]

00:52:27   the ability you know let's say you put a [TS]

00:52:28   hard drive on there and the hard drive [TS]

00:52:30   can only do you know it's it's a SATA 3 [TS]

00:52:33   device that that's actually slower then [TS]

00:52:36   the speed that Thunderbolt could could [TS]

00:52:38   handle but that that is not going to [TS]

00:52:40   slow down right other devices on that [TS]

00:52:42   chain and realistically speaking there [TS]

00:52:45   are very few hard consumer hard drives [TS]

00:52:47   that can even max out like a wimpy [TS]

00:52:49   firewire port or firewire 800 port you [TS]

00:52:51   need like a raid or some other or an SSD [TS]

00:52:53   or something to do that so and this is [TS]

00:52:56   you know 10 times faster than that or [TS]

00:52:58   whatever it is right so it's not it's [TS]

00:53:00   not going to be the devices are not [TS]

00:53:02   going to limit you and it's great that [TS]

00:53:03   the [TS]

00:53:03   speed of the devices will just it just [TS]

00:53:05   leaves more overhead for everyone else [TS]

00:53:06   to to send their data but the reason [TS]

00:53:09   these machines are transitional so [TS]

00:53:11   they've just got one Thunder hole on [TS]

00:53:12   there so if you've got this port you're [TS]

00:53:14   like well I gotta hook up my monitor and [TS]

00:53:16   that's it you're out if you're out of [TS]

00:53:17   luck no more [TS]

00:53:18   sorry no more no more or you know this [TS]

00:53:19   great Thunderbolt thing you thought was [TS]

00:53:20   great well you just plug your monitor [TS]

00:53:22   into it and the reason is only one of [TS]

00:53:24   them is like well we can't put seven [TS]

00:53:26   Thunderbolt ports in this machine when [TS]

00:53:28   there is zero Thunderbolt devices to [TS]

00:53:30   plug into it it would just look like a [TS]

00:53:31   whole bunch of mini displayport it [TS]

00:53:32   wouldn't make any sense [TS]

00:53:33   you can't even connect multiple monitors [TS]

00:53:35   to it because well your monitors don't [TS]

00:53:37   have thunderbolt controllers in them [TS]

00:53:38   yeah you can't you know you can't put [TS]

00:53:40   two monitors on there right so if you [TS]

00:53:43   bought one of these new Mac MacBook Pros [TS]

00:53:45   and you you plugged in your DisplayPort [TS]

00:53:48   you know that they're a political [TS]

00:53:52   happening it's just a minute DisplayPort [TS]

00:53:54   so in order for you to actually use one [TS]

00:53:56   of your existing monitors with alongside [TS]

00:53:59   of another Thunderbolt device you would [TS]

00:54:01   have to then plug it into the other [TS]

00:54:03   Thunderbolt device or get some kind of [TS]

00:54:05   switch first some kind of switch or up [TS]

00:54:07   I'm well interesting to see what kind of [TS]

00:54:08   products we have there but but yeah it's [TS]

00:54:10   it's check an egg you know so that's why [TS]

00:54:12   that's why this is a transitional [TS]

00:54:13   machine it's kind of the brilliance of [TS]

00:54:15   making it part of the mini displayport [TS]

00:54:16   because if you don't care about [TS]

00:54:17   Thunderbolt fine pretend a little [TS]

00:54:19   lightning bolt icon isn't there it's [TS]

00:54:20   exactly the same as the previous [TS]

00:54:21   architecture in terms of the ports that [TS]

00:54:23   you have available to you they didn't [TS]

00:54:24   remove any reports you still got mini [TS]

00:54:26   DisplayPort pretend Thunderbolt doesn't [TS]

00:54:27   exist and just wait another generation [TS]

00:54:29   or two years or whatever until there's [TS]

00:54:31   lots of Thunderbolt hubs and switches [TS]

00:54:33   and devices and stuff like that [TS]

00:54:35   this is going to I think it'll be a [TS]

00:54:36   smooth transition but it's also going to [TS]

00:54:38   be a little bit of a slow one in that [TS]

00:54:40   even if there are hundreds of devices [TS]

00:54:43   available the most thunderbolt ports [TS]

00:54:45   anyone has on an image Apple machine [TS]

00:54:46   right now is one and it's one port that [TS]

00:54:49   already has contention for people who [TS]

00:54:50   use external monitors so to just kind of [TS]

00:54:53   cap this off a little bit we're I [TS]

00:54:55   predict anywhere that a machine already [TS]

00:54:58   has a mini displayport it - given that [TS]

00:55:00   that's going to be a thunderbolt port so [TS]

00:55:02   that doesn't that means all the desktop [TS]

00:55:04   machines as well and it I think the Mac [TS]

00:55:07   world article made it pretty clear why [TS]

00:55:09   it was incredibly unlikely if if darn [TS]

00:55:13   near impossible that we should ever [TS]

00:55:14   expect well not ever but anytime in the [TS]

00:55:16   near term [TS]

00:55:17   to see a thunderbolt port on anything [TS]

00:55:19   but max in other words not on iPads not [TS]

00:55:24   on iPhones I don't think it's out of the [TS]

00:55:26   realm of possibility on iPads I think [TS]

00:55:28   it's too big for an iPhone right now I [TS]

00:55:30   think we'll see it on the iPad 2 being [TS]

00:55:32   announced next week I don't think so I [TS]

00:55:35   put it a really low probability but [TS]

00:55:36   there's no reason you couldn't like [TS]

00:55:38   people have been asking for some sort of [TS]

00:55:39   port on the iPad I'll put a put a usb on [TS]

00:55:42   it was plenty of room on the case for a [TS]

00:55:43   USB port to go this plenty room inside [TS]

00:55:45   that thing for you to find the little [TS]

00:55:47   place for these circuits and everything [TS]

00:55:48   it's just a matter of what you know is [TS]

00:55:50   that something that Apple wants to do [TS]

00:55:52   someday when Apple's transitioned most [TS]

00:55:54   of its Hardware lying to mostly [TS]

00:55:55   Thunderbolt ports I think is a [TS]

00:55:58   possibility you could see one on an iPad [TS]

00:55:59   not as your replacement for the dock [TS]

00:56:01   connector just because but just to sort [TS]

00:56:03   of round out the family of hey [TS]

00:56:04   Thunderbolt it's on everything and plug [TS]

00:56:06   them all in Plus Thunderbolt does carry [TS]

00:56:07   power like are actually carries a little [TS]

00:56:10   bit more power than firewire not that I [TS]

00:56:12   think you would want to charge your iPad [TS]

00:56:14   over it but what we should well we will [TS]

00:56:18   see though our dock connectors that [TS]

00:56:19   terminate as a thunderbolt port I [TS]

00:56:21   predict pretty soon maybe III don't know [TS]

00:56:24   how fast Apple wants to take this [TS]

00:56:26   transition this is a very cautious first [TS]

00:56:27   step and with all these types of things [TS]

00:56:30   you really want it to go well and you [TS]

00:56:31   don't they'll sell in it and like for 10 [TS]

00:56:34   bucks 15 bucks you couldn't buy one oh [TS]

00:56:36   it has to be 30 bucks and you can't come [TS]

00:56:38   out of that well start about spending [TS]

00:56:40   these thirty dollars you would be run a [TS]

00:56:41   piece of clear plastic yeah right the [TS]

00:56:45   socks cost 30 bucks [TS]

00:56:47   yeah it's anyone who could do it like [TS]

00:56:49   you know a Belkin could make one that [TS]

00:56:51   does that or something I think that you [TS]

00:56:53   know if you can you just make it look [TS]

00:56:55   like USB right I'm not sure that if you [TS]

00:56:58   bought one of those from Belkin and it [TS]

00:56:59   wasn't officially licensed from Apple [TS]

00:57:01   that it would continue to work with the [TS]

00:57:02   next line of of iPods but I think the [TS]

00:57:04   the dock connector replacement is still [TS]

00:57:06   up in the air maybe someday it could be [TS]

00:57:08   a thunderbolt port with a smaller [TS]

00:57:10   connector but right now even though many [TS]

00:57:12   display board is small I think it's [TS]

00:57:13   pushing the limit of like I don't think [TS]

00:57:15   you could put that on the current iPod [TS]

00:57:17   touch it would just be too big never [TS]

00:57:20   mind that it wouldn't carry all the [TS]

00:57:21   other things that the 30-pin connector [TS]

00:57:23   carries with all the different you know [TS]

00:57:24   analog video and audio and higher power [TS]

00:57:27   and blah blah blah [TS]

00:57:31   anything that I'll say about this [TS]

00:57:33   Thunderbolt Thunder I had some links in [TS]

00:57:36   the show notes about security concerns [TS]

00:57:37   about the fact that like firewire [TS]

00:57:39   devices have full access to the machines [TS]

00:57:42   memory this is not really something new [TS]

00:57:44   but you'll see some stories about it but [TS]

00:57:46   I think we have to move on to Lion at [TS]

00:57:47   this point yeah I think we do so I'll [TS]

00:57:49   leave the link in the show notes people [TS]

00:57:50   can read it if they want but I like [TS]

00:57:52   brief summary is that uh I don't think [TS]

00:57:54   it's a big deal but it is something [TS]

00:57:57   Apple should think about okay for the [TS]

00:58:01   future all right Lion [TS]

00:58:02   yeah let's spend a few minutes online [TS]

00:58:04   can only talk about certain things we [TS]

00:58:06   already had that disclaimer yeah so what [TS]

00:58:09   I did was I just pulled the stuff out of [TS]

00:58:10   Apple's press release because that's a [TS]

00:58:11   good starting point because prior to [TS]

00:58:13   this development releases the first time [TS]

00:58:16   developers have been able to download [TS]

00:58:17   and install Lion anyone outside Apple as [TS]

00:58:19   far as I know maybe Adobe and Microsoft [TS]

00:58:20   in earlier versions but probably not [TS]

00:58:22   right um Apple did a preview back in [TS]

00:58:25   October of last year or something I [TS]

00:58:27   think where they had a guy up there on [TS]

00:58:29   stage and he would look at these [TS]

00:58:30   features is what we've added full screen [TS]

00:58:32   apps isn't a knight gestures to change [TS]

00:58:33   stuff around and he was showing the Mac [TS]

00:58:35   App Store and isn't this cool and we're [TS]

00:58:37   gonna release this for for Snow Leopard [TS]

00:58:39   and a couple other things and you really [TS]

00:58:42   had to read the tea leaves on that demo [TS]

00:58:44   you really had to like you know frame [TS]

00:58:46   advance through the video to see wait a [TS]

00:58:47   second what's what's going on in the end [TS]

00:58:49   dots underneath the running applications [TS]

00:58:51   not there anymore is that is that just [TS]

00:58:52   because of this build or is that [TS]

00:58:53   something they're trying to do and [TS]

00:58:54   what's up with the scroll bars like you [TS]

00:58:56   just had to look at it and then and try [TS]

00:58:58   to figure out what they were saying [TS]

00:58:59   same thing with spaces we talked about [TS]

00:59:01   that in a few different shows that they [TS]

00:59:02   keep mentioning spaces and how Mission [TS]

00:59:04   Control is combining all these things [TS]

00:59:05   including space but they never demoed [TS]

00:59:07   spaces so our space is even there and [TS]

00:59:08   and then we had another show where [TS]

00:59:10   someone pointed out that you know it's [TS]

00:59:11   not an apples website like if you go to [TS]

00:59:13   their lion website it says you know [TS]

00:59:14   Mission Control combined spaces in blah [TS]

00:59:16   blah blah and then when the yesterday [TS]

00:59:19   when they did the revision of the web [TS]

00:59:20   site in this release then spaces got [TS]

00:59:22   removed from the lion page I made it [TS]

00:59:25   right space is there in space not there [TS]

00:59:27   but then someone found another web page [TS]

00:59:28   and said so it's really helium reading [TS]

00:59:31   but the upshot of all of this was that [TS]

00:59:33   you really didn't know what lion was [TS]

00:59:36   going to be is this going to be like [TS]

00:59:37   Snow Leopard where you get one or two [TS]

00:59:39   little features and some a cap star [TS]

00:59:40   stuff that we've already seen and some [TS]

00:59:42   stuff for laptop users but it's like a [TS]

00:59:44   dinky really [TS]

00:59:45   and then all the sudden comes this press [TS]

00:59:46   release it's like here's the stuff we're [TS]

00:59:47   adding in in Lyon and it's tons of like [TS]

00:59:50   crazy internal stuff and big you know [TS]

00:59:52   and user features and stuff like that [TS]

00:59:54   definitely more and then I thought so [TS]

00:59:56   let me just quickly rattle off the [TS]

00:59:57   things they listed here first they [TS]

00:59:59   listed a new verb [TS]

00:59:59   listed a new verb [TS]

01:00:00   in a mail that looks more like the iPad [TS]

01:00:02   version I don't know why that was one [TS]

01:00:03   but whatever airdrop a remarkable way to [TS]

01:00:06   a remarkably simple way to copy files [TS]

01:00:09   Wireless from one Mac to another with no [TS]

01:00:10   setup you're like is this some sort of [TS]

01:00:12   Dropbox competitor I can say that some [TS]

01:00:14   people said they have not had this [TS]

01:00:15   problem but I have a room with a couple [TS]

01:00:17   Mac's and in here and I'm constantly [TS]

01:00:18   annoyed by how difficult and annoying it [TS]

01:00:20   is to take a file from one Mac and send [TS]

01:00:22   it to the other Mac that's five feet [TS]

01:00:23   away yeah it's like five steps to do I'm [TS]

01:00:26   gonna do AFP and mount the thing it [TS]

01:00:28   takes a million years to show up and [TS]

01:00:29   then it's slow to list the thing you got [TS]

01:00:31   to drag the file over it almost makes [TS]

01:00:33   you just want to have lot Dropbox on [TS]

01:00:34   both machines and do everything Dropbox [TS]

01:00:36   dropper tool and syncing yeah that's [TS]

01:00:38   like oh airdrop by Apple's maybe [TS]

01:00:39   recognizing this need you know but I [TS]

01:00:41   don't really know what airdrop is it's [TS]

01:00:43   just this thing but that's that's a [TS]

01:00:44   significant feature because people have [TS]

01:00:45   been asking for now you just drag it to [TS]

01:00:47   the person's name it'll show their [TS]

01:00:49   picture yeah I saw that and this is [TS]

01:00:51   actually something I can talk about [TS]

01:00:52   because I literally did not try this [TS]

01:00:54   online yet I forgot all about it while I [TS]

01:00:55   was using it last night so I have I know [TS]

01:00:57   nothing about airdrop other than what [TS]

01:00:58   I've seen on the websites but yeah it [TS]

01:01:00   looks like it all comes down to [TS]

01:01:02   performance and reliability [TS]

01:01:04   people love Dropbox because you just [TS]

01:01:06   shove stuff into it in sinks period gun [TS]

01:01:07   no weird errors no lag no spinning [TS]

01:01:10   beachballs nothing like that if your [TS]

01:01:11   drop can do that [TS]

01:01:12   thumbs up but that's that's a [TS]

01:01:13   significant feature versions which [TS]

01:01:16   automatically saves successive versions [TS]

01:01:17   of your document anyone who knows [TS]

01:01:18   anything about version control or [TS]

01:01:19   software development is excited by this [TS]

01:01:21   because this is significant feature [TS]

01:01:24   you're gonna make this an OS level [TS]

01:01:25   feature or applications can have [TS]

01:01:26   multiple versions their files and [TS]

01:01:28   present a UI to the user in a way that [TS]

01:01:31   they understand you know developers know [TS]

01:01:33   the values of version control but [TS]

01:01:35   regular users don't and in that typical [TS]

01:01:37   Apple way like all they're gonna they're [TS]

01:01:38   going to make this easy for regular [TS]

01:01:39   people just like they did with Time [TS]

01:01:41   Machine where they had you know backups [TS]

01:01:43   that geeks knew how to do but they [TS]

01:01:44   wanted to make backup so the regular [TS]

01:01:45   people could do it [TS]

01:01:46   versions I said a significant feature [TS]

01:01:48   which you know you heard nothing about [TS]

01:01:50   before yesterday resume which [TS]

01:01:53   conveniently brings your apps back [TS]

01:01:54   exactly how you left them well that's [TS]

01:01:56   kind of been in the air because that's [TS]

01:01:57   how iOS apps look you know i OS apps [TS]

01:02:00   were all the time where the guideline is [TS]

01:02:02   when you someone hits that home button [TS]

01:02:04   if they relaunch your app bring it back [TS]

01:02:06   to like like it was before so they [TS]

01:02:09   shouldn't know whether your application [TS]

01:02:09   was quit or whether it was just put into [TS]

01:02:12   the background and brought back forward [TS]

01:02:13   and now they're trying to bring out to [TS]

01:02:15   the Mac which I love because I love mac [TS]

01:02:17   applications that save state that I [TS]

01:02:20   think my maybe my second blog post ever [TS]

01:02:23   on ours when I started my ours blog many [TS]

01:02:25   years ago which was after I've been [TS]

01:02:27   writing there for a while but the first [TS]

01:02:28   blog post was about how I loved [TS]

01:02:30   applications at save state specifically [TS]

01:02:32   web browsers where when you quit the web [TS]

01:02:34   browser and bring it back all your pages [TS]

01:02:35   that you previously had open or their [TS]

01:02:37   you know the scroll positions are the [TS]

01:02:39   same that's what I wanted I wanted [TS]

01:02:40   everything to be the same just how I [TS]

01:02:41   left it you know down to like what I [TS]

01:02:43   partially entered into a form or [TS]

01:02:45   anything like that now you have to you [TS]

01:02:48   have to point out to only apps that are [TS]

01:02:50   updated for line that will hi I'm just [TS]

01:02:52   talking about to say general in the [TS]

01:02:54   future like why is this is a convenient [TS]

01:02:57   feature have like my favorite text [TS]

01:02:58   editor BBEdit [TS]

01:02:59   has a command called sleep BB edit and I [TS]

01:03:02   actually have command Q mapped to that [TS]

01:03:03   command instead of quit I never quit BB [TS]

01:03:05   it that way sleep it and sleep BB edit [TS]

01:03:07   is the thing that tells it take all the [TS]

01:03:09   current documents that you have open and [TS]

01:03:12   even if they're unsaved they've unsaved [TS]

01:03:14   changes they're untitled documents empty [TS]

01:03:16   windows whatever they are just remember [TS]

01:03:18   all of them and then exit and then when [TS]

01:03:19   you launch the program the next time it [TS]

01:03:21   restores all that all the windows [TS]

01:03:22   exactly where they were in the exact [TS]

01:03:24   same positions be exact same intense [TS]

01:03:26   with the eye same unsaved changes and [TS]

01:03:27   this is you know well before lion or [TS]

01:03:29   anything this features from there and I [TS]

01:03:30   love it it makes my life better so now [TS]

01:03:33   what Apple is trying to do is get [TS]

01:03:35   everybody to do that [TS]

01:03:37   and they're going to try to provide API [TS]

01:03:38   is for it or whatever whatever way they [TS]

01:03:39   can make it so that you know it becomes [TS]

01:03:41   this more social pressure to do that [TS]

01:03:44   because right now very few applications [TS]

01:03:45   do it BB edit does it a couple other [TS]

01:03:47   ones so far even won't do it Safari has [TS]

01:03:49   restore windows from previous session [TS]

01:03:50   but it doesn't do it automatically [TS]

01:03:52   unlike chrome does it and Firefox do it [TS]

01:03:54   automatically if you want them to so far [TS]

01:03:57   you start to hit that command to tell it [TS]

01:03:58   to restore windows and that always bugs [TS]

01:04:01   so I'm glad to see that but this is a [TS]

01:04:02   significant effort from the platform [TS]

01:04:05   they're they're going to change the way [TS]

01:04:06   all Mac applications work through social [TS]

01:04:08   pressure and providing an API autosave [TS]

01:04:10   same thing that's the next feature they [TS]

01:04:12   list iOS apps do it there's no explicit [TS]

01:04:14   save command people like that for years [TS]

01:04:17   various Mac applications have done it [TS]

01:04:19   one where the other apples going to try [TS]

01:04:20   to move that forward by saying we're [TS]

01:04:22   going to give you some way to make it [TS]

01:04:24   easier for your applications to autosave [TS]

01:04:26   to make it [TS]

01:04:27   some more applications work like that [TS]

01:04:28   got to like the new file vault I feel [TS]

01:04:32   like it should have been like 18 T or [TS]

01:04:35   Verizon or whatever whatever company was [TS]

01:04:36   renamed to become Verizon where the name [TS]

01:04:39   file vault now has so much negative [TS]

01:04:42   connotations and publicity that it would [TS]

01:04:44   have been better for them to pick a new [TS]

01:04:45   name for this feature but it's basically [TS]

01:04:47   a completely new feature that just [TS]

01:04:48   reusing the brand they're doing full [TS]

01:04:50   disk encryption which we should have [TS]

01:04:52   talked about as part of the vault to [TS]

01:04:53   backup thing but we never got to I just [TS]

01:04:55   I want to add on on Twitter from one [TS]

01:04:58   source is saying that the 10.7 resume [TS]

01:05:01   resume also works after a reboot yeah I [TS]

01:05:07   could talk about that but then I'd be [TS]

01:05:08   breaking India that's what someone says [TS]

01:05:11   on Twitter that's interesting isn't it [TS]

01:05:12   yeah um I don't I don't know if that's [TS]

01:05:15   true or not so on file vault instead of [TS]

01:05:20   just encrypting your home directory or [TS]

01:05:22   encrypting a portion of your disk or [TS]

01:05:23   making an encrypted disk image that gets [TS]

01:05:25   mounted with your home directory and all [TS]

01:05:26   these sorts of weird things that were [TS]

01:05:28   compromises that various applications [TS]

01:05:29   didn't work well with and sometimes [TS]

01:05:30   apples on applications didn't work well [TS]

01:05:32   with yeah I'm at trouble with and [TS]

01:05:34   everything they're just going to do the [TS]

01:05:35   whole disk we're gonna crypt your entire [TS]

01:05:37   disk and do it in a way that's [TS]

01:05:38   transparent to applications so that just [TS]

01:05:41   the application it just looks like a [TS]

01:05:43   regular disk but deep deep down under [TS]

01:05:44   the covers everything is encrypted and [TS]

01:05:46   it's nice to see that built in because [TS]

01:05:47   as part of my job my I have to use whole [TS]

01:05:49   disk encryption at work now do you think [TS]

01:05:51   would it if I don't know we never we [TS]

01:05:53   haven't had this conversation yet which [TS]

01:05:54   is one I definitely want to talk about [TS]

01:05:56   your full disk encryption thing but do [TS]

01:05:59   you think that one of the things that [TS]

01:06:01   I've seen a lot in companies especially [TS]

01:06:04   ones that require something like full [TS]

01:06:05   disk encryption they they want to use [TS]

01:06:08   something that they know whether it's [TS]

01:06:09   PGP or something else at some vetted [TS]

01:06:11   application and has certain [TS]

01:06:13   certifications do you think that [TS]

01:06:15   companies especially the kind that would [TS]

01:06:17   require that do you think they'd be [TS]

01:06:18   open-minded and say sure we can use [TS]

01:06:20   apples it's it's as good as we think it [TS]

01:06:22   is or do you think it'll take a while [TS]

01:06:24   for the room to be able to adopt that [TS]

01:06:26   I'm not talking about you know the [TS]

01:06:27   designer who sitting in a coffee shop [TS]

01:06:29   you know in case their laptop gets [TS]

01:06:30   stolen or whatever the independent IT [TS]

01:06:32   consultant or whoever I'm talking about [TS]

01:06:34   like companies it's not going to be the [TS]

01:06:37   vetting so much because I'm sure they're [TS]

01:06:38   just all using AES or some other [TS]

01:06:39   encryption standard that you know the [TS]

01:06:41   companies don't make their own [TS]

01:06:42   encryption standard so they don't know [TS]

01:06:43   if they're smart they use you know [TS]

01:06:45   industry standard ones that have been [TS]

01:06:46   proven mathematically over many years so [TS]

01:06:48   on and so forth [TS]

01:06:49   but what's going to what's going to hurt [TS]

01:06:51   Apple in this regard like this is why [TS]

01:06:53   perhaps my company wouldn't let me use [TS]

01:06:55   the full disk encryption it's because [TS]

01:06:56   the existing products out there like PGP [TS]

01:06:59   full disk encryption which is what I use [TS]

01:07:01   are cross-platform so they use PGP whole [TS]

01:07:03   disk encryption and is a server [TS]

01:07:04   component to it where you can like [TS]

01:07:05   revoke keys and get remote access and do [TS]

01:07:08   stuff or whatever from a centralized [TS]

01:07:09   server with many different kinds of [TS]

01:07:11   clients Mac clients PC clients if you [TS]

01:07:13   use Apple's thing suddenly your PGP [TS]

01:07:16   server or whatever can't has no idea [TS]

01:07:18   what's going on over there because [TS]

01:07:19   there's no as far as I know there's no [TS]

01:07:22   server component that works across Macs [TS]

01:07:24   and PCs that you know handles the [TS]

01:07:27   situation and you know the IT [TS]

01:07:28   departments they love to have the server [TS]

01:07:30   component they love to have the to [TS]

01:07:31   remotely access and control so I don't [TS]

01:07:35   think we'd you know PGP is going to be [TS]

01:07:37   out of business by this I just think for [TS]

01:07:39   his PCP PGP is a little bit of an [TS]

01:07:41   enterprise product and I would imagine [TS]

01:07:43   people only install it you know as part [TS]

01:07:44   of their jobs this whole disk encryption [TS]

01:07:46   thing is going to be easy enough I think [TS]

01:07:48   for people to use privately and since [TS]

01:07:51   Apple is selling tons and tons of [TS]

01:07:52   laptops and laptops get lost or stolen [TS]

01:07:54   it's I think it's a good idea to make it [TS]

01:07:57   easy for regular people without IT [TS]

01:07:59   departments to decide I want my whole [TS]

01:08:00   laptop encrypted and so if we get stolen [TS]

01:08:03   or something I have I have a little bit [TS]

01:08:05   of extra protection and maybe they'll [TS]

01:08:06   have some sort of remote way to revoke [TS]

01:08:08   the key are involved in it I think I [TS]

01:08:10   read that somewhere in the PR that [TS]

01:08:13   through mobile me or something just so [TS]

01:08:15   you can like locate your stolen iMac or [TS]

01:08:17   whatever by its Wi-Fi address you'll [TS]

01:08:18   also be able to remotely wipe it the [TS]

01:08:20   same way you can remotely wipe iPhones [TS]

01:08:22   via an enterprise type thing I can [TS]

01:08:24   imagine a webpage where if your laptop [TS]

01:08:26   gets stolen you quickly log into your [TS]

01:08:27   mobile media then click some button and [TS]

01:08:30   it revokes all the keys on your you know [TS]

01:08:31   the next time your laptop comes online [TS]

01:08:33   it revokes all the keys on it and that [TS]

01:08:35   will thwart any you know amateur non [TS]

01:08:38   hacker thief which steals your laptop [TS]

01:08:40   because they're going to turn and plug [TS]

01:08:41   it in try to go to youtube and then the [TS]

01:08:43   whole thing's getting wiped I don't it [TS]

01:08:46   says I write nothing and the ability to [TS]

01:08:47   wipe your Mac instantaneously right from [TS]

01:08:49   the press release so I haven't [TS]

01:08:49   investigated that at all but Apple [TS]

01:08:51   that's what Apple is saying and the [TS]

01:08:53   final thing that lists is that they just [TS]

01:08:54   throw this in there is the last [TS]

01:08:55   the mangoes ten Lions server is now part [TS]

01:08:58   of the Nagas ten lion it's not a [TS]

01:09:00   separate product I don't know what that [TS]

01:09:01   means [TS]

01:09:02   I it doesn't mean do you have to pay [TS]

01:09:05   extra for it or like you're saying the [TS]

01:09:07   software comes in the disc and it's free [TS]

01:09:08   we don't know anything about pricing [TS]

01:09:09   like I can announce that but what what [TS]

01:09:12   it sounds like they're saying is that [TS]

01:09:15   and I mean again from if you go to the [TS]

01:09:19   if you look at their lion page [TS]

01:09:24   they say line server is now part of Mac [TS]

01:09:28   OS 10 line it's easy to set up your Mac [TS]

01:09:30   as a server and take advantage of the [TS]

01:09:32   many services line has to offer okay so [TS]

01:09:36   reading between the lines it sounds like [TS]

01:09:39   they're saying it's easy to set up your [TS]

01:09:41   Mac as a server the way they word that [TS]

01:09:44   and you have to kind of tease out what [TS]

01:09:47   they mean here my guess is that they [TS]

01:09:50   have discontinued Lion server like it's [TS]

01:09:53   not a separate product you don't have to [TS]

01:09:55   pay any more because look they killed [TS]

01:09:57   the Xserve yeah it makes perfect sense [TS]

01:10:01   in terms of them pulling back from [TS]

01:10:02   selling dedicated server products right [TS]

01:10:05   again you know and this is not an NDA [TS]

01:10:07   thing because we really don't know we [TS]

01:10:08   have no idea what pricing is going to be [TS]

01:10:09   like everything like that we don't know [TS]

01:10:10   pricing on what lines going to be but I [TS]

01:10:13   wouldn't be shocked if they decided to [TS]

01:10:15   bundle it for free or for some nominal [TS]

01:10:17   fee well here's here's what it says easy [TS]

01:10:19   setup line server guides you through [TS]

01:10:21   configuring your Mac as a server it [TS]

01:10:23   provides local and remote administration [TS]

01:10:25   users and groups calendaring mail blob [TS]

01:10:27   up all in one place I mean they really [TS]

01:10:29   make it seem like and I've set up Mac OS [TS]

01:10:33   10 server before and it was always been [TS]

01:10:36   a separate product a separate thing it [TS]

01:10:38   was quite expensive the cheapest way you [TS]

01:10:41   could get it was actually to buy a Mac [TS]

01:10:42   Mini with server running and maybe is [TS]

01:10:45   that is that going to be an option to [TS]

01:10:47   you you know do you think will that be [TS]

01:10:48   an option to to buy it installed that [TS]

01:10:50   way I think they're going way down in [TS]

01:10:53   price kind of like they did with [TS]

01:10:54   aperture where it used to be I forget [TS]

01:10:55   like $300 or something in aperture [TS]

01:10:57   appeared in the Mac App Store was 80 [TS]

01:10:58   bucks yeah Mac OS x server was already [TS]

01:11:01   cheap because they didn't have a per [TS]

01:11:02   user per seat fee sort of its [TS]

01:11:04   traditional and server OS is to charge [TS]

01:11:06   for the number of people using the [TS]

01:11:07   server Apple always did [TS]

01:11:09   unlimited client for like a thousand [TS]

01:11:10   bucks or something which seems expensive [TS]

01:11:12   to an individual but the companies if [TS]

01:11:13   you have a lot of clients that's way [TS]

01:11:15   cheaper than having to pay per seat so I [TS]

01:11:17   think that it's going to keep going that [TS]

01:11:18   direction make it cheaper and cheaper [TS]

01:11:19   and cheaper [TS]

01:11:20   will it be free will it be 50 bucks 80 [TS]

01:11:22   bucks I don't know but it's not going to [TS]

01:11:23   be a thousand I guarantee that [TS]

01:11:25   yeah I mean there might be 20 bucks more [TS]

01:11:28   yeah so here's something that I want [TS]

01:11:30   that it that it says on the page profile [TS]

01:11:32   manager delivers simple profile based [TS]

01:11:34   setup and management for Mac OS 10 Lion [TS]

01:11:36   iPhone iPad and iPod touch devices [TS]

01:11:40   that's interesting huh file sharing for [TS]

01:11:43   iPad delivers Wireless file sharing for [TS]

01:11:45   iPad enable web enabling WebDAV inline [TS]

01:11:47   server gives iPad users the ability to [TS]

01:11:50   access copy and share documents on the [TS]

01:11:52   server for applications such as keynote [TS]

01:11:53   numbers and pages yeah I'm not quite [TS]

01:11:57   sure where the gong with the server [TS]

01:11:58   thing it's clear they're going away from [TS]

01:12:00   sort of enterprise server but it's more [TS]

01:12:02   like to get into the realm of like what [TS]

01:12:04   what is a personal server is that [TS]

01:12:06   something that people want or interested [TS]

01:12:09   in what does that look like because it [TS]

01:12:11   really the idea of a personal server is [TS]

01:12:13   more of a key concept at this point and [TS]

01:12:14   if you were to ask individual what they [TS]

01:12:16   might do with such a thing or what it [TS]

01:12:17   even is they wouldn't really know I [TS]

01:12:19   think my ghost end server these features [TS]

01:12:21   that they're now branding is Mac OS 10 [TS]

01:12:23   server are an in-between phase but [TS]

01:12:25   there's a lot of stuff left over from [TS]

01:12:26   the days when it was like your mail [TS]

01:12:27   server for your company and they're [TS]

01:12:29   trying to move it more towards what [TS]

01:12:31   could you do in like a small business [TS]

01:12:33   what will smash business yeah even home [TS]

01:12:36   and home it starts to get a little bit [TS]

01:12:38   weirder because I don't feel like [TS]

01:12:39   they're even close to that that's all [TS]

01:12:40   the show topic and in terms like having [TS]

01:12:42   a server for the iLife suite and stuff [TS]

01:12:44   like that they're not there yet maybe [TS]

01:12:46   they'll go in that direction but clearly [TS]

01:12:47   Mac what was formerly known as the [TS]

01:12:49   product Mac os10 server needs to [TS]

01:12:51   redefine itself in terms of the new age [TS]

01:12:53   of Apple that's pulling away from that [TS]

01:12:55   type of enterprise stuff maybe it will [TS]

01:12:57   just wither and die and and the features [TS]

01:12:59   that were part of server would just [TS]

01:13:00   become regular features of the OS maybe [TS]

01:13:02   you'll leave stuff behind like there's a [TS]

01:13:03   family need a wiki server in their house [TS]

01:13:06   maybe they do maybe they don't probably [TS]

01:13:08   not I'm not him maybe if it's a very big [TS]

01:13:10   yeah so they can you know do you know [TS]

01:13:12   collaboratively do their grocery lists [TS]

01:13:14   right instead of on Google Docs awesome [TS]

01:13:16   things so it that's a product in [TS]

01:13:18   transition but it's I think this is a [TS]

01:13:20   natural consequence of them pulling back [TS]

01:13:21   from [TS]

01:13:22   the selling servers and everything um so [TS]

01:13:25   I'm I'm the whole lion thing that list [TS]

01:13:27   of features all of which I think every [TS]

01:13:30   single one of those things we had not [TS]

01:13:31   heard or seen before that's significant [TS]

01:13:33   and coming out of nowhere this [TS]

01:13:35   late-stage makes me a little bit [TS]

01:13:36   panicked for writing my review because [TS]

01:13:37   I'm like man I kind of learned about all [TS]

01:13:39   these things and get up to speed on them [TS]

01:13:41   before summer comes and this thing is [TS]

01:13:42   released so it looks like lion is not [TS]

01:13:45   going to be a wussy little release it's [TS]

01:13:48   not it's not an easy alike it's gonna be [TS]

01:13:50   more like 10.5 sighs yeah or more I mean [TS]

01:13:54   it's and again it's visible just from [TS]

01:13:57   just from these screenshots that have [TS]

01:13:59   been published on on the web both by [TS]

01:14:01   Apple and other places there are there [TS]

01:14:04   are plenty of user interface changes [TS]

01:14:06   that are some of which are not subtle [TS]

01:14:08   they didn't even list that that's the [TS]

01:14:10   interesting thing um yeah their press [TS]

01:14:11   release does it look at all these [TS]

01:14:12   features blah blah blah blah blah they [TS]

01:14:14   didn't say oh and by the way everything [TS]

01:14:15   looks crazy [TS]

01:14:16   yeah it really moving screenshots [TS]

01:14:18   regular people are going to say [TS]

01:14:20   especially longtime Mac users that's the [TS]

01:14:22   first thing that jumps out is you don't [TS]

01:14:23   see these features that listen the press [TS]

01:14:24   release you look at the screenshots you [TS]

01:14:26   like say these look really different um [TS]

01:14:29   you know looking again I'm on I'm on the [TS]

01:14:31   Apple page here you can see the the [TS]

01:14:36   maximize minimize buttons are [TS]

01:14:39   significantly smaller I you can you can [TS]

01:14:42   see that on most of most of these [TS]

01:14:45   screenshots you can also see that the [TS]

01:14:49   edges corners rather of all of the [TS]

01:14:51   windows are rounded both tops and [TS]

01:14:54   bottoms the scroll bars look different [TS]

01:14:57   and another thing that's missing is the [TS]

01:15:00   little I don't know what you call it but [TS]

01:15:02   the little grabby ridges in the bottom [TS]

01:15:03   right-hand corner that that show you [TS]

01:15:05   where to grab and resize a window those [TS]

01:15:07   are gone yeah the recess but this is [TS]

01:15:10   this is the type of change where it's [TS]

01:15:11   not just changing how things look they [TS]

01:15:13   took features of the OS that people just [TS]

01:15:17   take for granite like scroll bar yeah [TS]

01:15:18   they're going to met they're going to [TS]

01:15:19   mess with them yeah right like not not [TS]

01:15:21   just the look of the scroll bars but if [TS]

01:15:22   you look at them you know there are some [TS]

01:15:24   screenshots where you're like there [TS]

01:15:25   should be something more to scroll there [TS]

01:15:27   but there's no scroll bar is when we saw [TS]

01:15:28   that in the video and the idea when he's [TS]

01:15:30   using the Mac App Store and stuff there [TS]

01:15:31   was no scroll bar visible in the Mac App [TS]

01:15:33   Store unless he was scrolling and then [TS]

01:15:34   this weird eye [TS]

01:15:35   little scrollbar thing appeared on the [TS]

01:15:37   side right it's like and that's the way [TS]

01:15:39   that's exactly what I was going to say [TS]

01:15:40   is it so much like iOS is that if you if [TS]

01:15:43   you feel like there's content you just [TS]

01:15:45   kind of put your thumb on the screen and [TS]

01:15:48   move it and they there's the content [TS]

01:15:50   then and the scrollbar comes and goes [TS]

01:15:51   when you need it and that's what they're [TS]

01:15:53   doing here Apple Insider has a big [TS]

01:15:55   gallery of leaked screenshots and I [TS]

01:15:57   think on what pages us on on page four [TS]

01:16:00   they have a screenshot of the appearance [TS]

01:16:02   preference pane it's a good thing when [TS]

01:16:04   if you when you're looking at these [TS]

01:16:05   screenshots to realize this is the first [TS]

01:16:07   developer release and even though Apple [TS]

01:16:10   doesn't change significant stuff in the [TS]

01:16:12   course of the developer releases stuff [TS]

01:16:14   like what radio buttons appear in a [TS]

01:16:17   particular you know preference pane or [TS]

01:16:19   what options are available that stuff [TS]

01:16:20   changes all the time so I wouldn't put [TS]

01:16:22   too much stock in and what you see here [TS]

01:16:24   and the arrangement of the controls [TS]

01:16:25   maybe some of these will go away some [TS]

01:16:27   one will become things that you have to [TS]

01:16:28   you know run the default command to [TS]

01:16:30   modify the plist manually for all sorts [TS]

01:16:33   of things are in flux but but they show [TS]

01:16:35   in the screenshot on the appearance [TS]

01:16:36   preference pane is there's a new section [TS]

01:16:37   called show scroll bars which already is [TS]

01:16:40   crazy because if you're thinking about [TS]

01:16:42   Mac leaving show scroll of course you [TS]

01:16:44   showed the scroll how am I supposed to [TS]

01:16:45   scroll if you don't show the scroll bars [TS]

01:16:47   it's insanity to think since 1984 [TS]

01:16:49   windows have had scroll bars on them and [TS]

01:16:50   yes you have to show them otherwise how [TS]

01:16:52   can I scroll but now there's an option [TS]

01:16:54   and the options are show scroll bars [TS]

01:16:56   automatically based on input device when [TS]

01:16:58   scrolling or always now always seems [TS]

01:17:01   like the you know well yeah I want you [TS]

01:17:03   to show me the scroll bars always [TS]

01:17:04   because it's a Mac right but when you [TS]

01:17:06   look at the other ones when scrolling [TS]

01:17:07   you think that must be what they were [TS]

01:17:09   doing in that video right if demo in [TS]

01:17:11   October because you only saw the scroll [TS]

01:17:13   bars when when the guy demoing it was [TS]

01:17:14   scrolling and automatically based on [TS]

01:17:16   input device you can imagine as maybe I [TS]

01:17:19   mean I don't know like input devices it [TS]

01:17:21   must be mouse or trackpad or something [TS]

01:17:23   and it makes a decision between the [TS]

01:17:25   other two settings based on whether it [TS]

01:17:27   thinks you're using a mouse or a [TS]

01:17:28   trackpad that type of change that type [TS]

01:17:31   of you know sacred cows it's as if they [TS]

01:17:34   decided maybe we're not gonna have a [TS]

01:17:35   menu bar at the top of the screen which [TS]

01:17:37   from everything I've seen in the apples [TS]

01:17:39   press material is not the case but [TS]

01:17:40   they're just taking stuff that's been [TS]

01:17:42   the same literally since 1984 and saying [TS]

01:17:45   it's on the table let's let's think [TS]

01:17:46   about what we're going to do about that [TS]

01:17:48   um and that's scary and crazy um and and [TS]

01:17:54   it will make for an interesting [TS]

01:17:55   experience I especially since it's an [TS]

01:17:57   early phase you wonder are they gonna [TS]

01:17:59   are they gonna like wimp out on some of [TS]

01:18:00   this stuff or they're just gonna double [TS]

01:18:02   down and say look if you can't deal with [TS]

01:18:04   it you know just ya figure it out I mean [TS]

01:18:06   that they they've got a long way with [TS]

01:18:09   this os terms of the brush metal and [TS]

01:18:10   then reunifying the interfacing and [TS]

01:18:12   doing all sorts of other stuff this is [TS]

01:18:14   the boldest move this appears you get [TS]

01:18:16   all this move in UI since the transition [TS]

01:18:19   from from nine to ten so my take on it [TS]

01:18:22   is that you're not so happy with it [TS]

01:18:23   I save my opinions to review man and [TS]

01:18:27   it's still early days you don't know [TS]

01:18:28   what they're gonna you can't you can't [TS]

01:18:30   like downloaded developer preview or [TS]

01:18:31   look at these screenshots and get all [TS]

01:18:33   pissy about like I can't believe this [TS]

01:18:34   default is there some defaults the [TS]

01:18:36   people that chattri mentioned that I [TS]

01:18:37   don't want to mention because I think it [TS]

01:18:38   would be breaking NDA or whatever but [TS]

01:18:40   this their settings the default settings [TS]

01:18:42   of a lot of these new options are not to [TS]

01:18:46   the liking of anyone's used to Mac [TS]

01:18:48   before basically you know if you have if [TS]

01:18:50   you have years and years of experience [TS]

01:18:51   moot using a Mac they have settings that [TS]

01:18:53   are the opposite of what you would [TS]

01:18:54   expect and you can get all pissy and say [TS]

01:18:56   oh man if this thing comes out of the [TS]

01:18:59   box with the setting or all you just [TS]

01:19:00   change the setting or what if they [TS]

01:19:01   remove the setting and I can't change it [TS]

01:19:03   back I'm going to go nuts you know you [TS]

01:19:05   just got a chill out I've heard some [TS]

01:19:07   Apple people actually asking saying if [TS]

01:19:09   you're a developer and you're using the [TS]

01:19:11   OS feel free to file bugs even on things [TS]

01:19:14   that just like the defaults are wrong [TS]

01:19:15   right there like you don't wrap the [TS]

01:19:17   default or you don't like that ya file [TS]

01:19:19   the bug on it that says you know I don't [TS]

01:19:21   mind future X but I really wish you'd [TS]

01:19:22   default would be a instead of B because [TS]

01:19:24   it would make me feel better and I think [TS]

01:19:25   the Apple developers are asked or Apple [TS]

01:19:27   guys are asking for that just because [TS]

01:19:29   that's how they that's how they gather [TS]

01:19:30   feedback yeah you don't see if you just [TS]

01:19:32   whined about it on Twitter they don't [TS]

01:19:33   know you got a you got to file a bug on [TS]

01:19:35   it and express your opinion and who [TS]

01:19:38   knows how much that's going to go on [TS]

01:19:39   between now and summer so I don't put [TS]

01:19:41   too much stock and can we can we comment [TS]

01:19:43   about speed and performance is that [TS]

01:19:45   breaking NDA [TS]

01:19:46   I think that would be in lesson I [TS]

01:19:48   haven't read anything about it okay I'm [TS]

01:19:50   not going to comment based on my use of [TS]

01:19:52   it I would imagine like the history of [TS]

01:19:55   Mac OS 10 is that the OS has gotten [TS]

01:19:58   faster on the same hardware with time [TS]

01:20:00   and Snow Leopard was all about [TS]

01:20:02   just tighten the thing up make it faster [TS]

01:20:04   make it better because there was very [TS]

01:20:05   few user visible new features and you [TS]

01:20:09   think the trend has to continue [TS]

01:20:11   obviously hardware gets faster but [TS]

01:20:12   usually mac OS x is actually faster on [TS]

01:20:14   the same hardware with a few bumps here [TS]

01:20:15   and there like if you were to get you [TS]

01:20:17   give the 10.5 and you had time machine [TS]

01:20:19   turn on for the first time and you had a [TS]

01:20:21   slow disk all of a sudden your disk is [TS]

01:20:22   going to be tortured you're like man [TS]

01:20:23   this feels ten times slower than then [TS]

01:20:25   tiger did it's doing a lot more um when [TS]

01:20:28   I feel slow if you turn Time Machine off [TS]

01:20:29   it's the operation to still be faster [TS]

01:20:32   than Tiger can over can I comment if I [TS]

01:20:34   like it or not or is that under NDA you [TS]

01:20:37   can yeah sure go for it I don't think [TS]

01:20:38   you know you just give vague opinion [TS]

01:20:39   Steve I'll go so I don't use for a day [TS]

01:20:42   right uh not even I overall I here's [TS]

01:20:45   what I will say I really like it and I [TS]

01:20:48   really like the visual I'm a big visual [TS]

01:20:51   user interface geek I mean I really care [TS]

01:20:55   about it and I can say that I'm not [TS]

01:20:58   talking about things like you know [TS]

01:21:00   scrolling and dots and other things like [TS]

01:21:02   that I'm talking about the overall look [TS]

01:21:03   of the operating system the overall way [TS]

01:21:05   that that things look which again you [TS]

01:21:08   can you can see a lot from apples and [TS]

01:21:10   the leaked screenshots to I really am a [TS]

01:21:14   big fan of it I'm a minimalist and [TS]

01:21:16   they've definitely gone in that more [TS]

01:21:17   minimalist direction everything is sort [TS]

01:21:20   of flatter and more grey and I'm a big [TS]

01:21:24   fan of this direction I'm not I'm not [TS]

01:21:26   sure that I'm a big fan of all of the [TS]

01:21:30   changes that they made we'll have to try [TS]

01:21:32   keep y'all to keep trying it but going [TS]

01:21:36   you know using that and then going back [TS]

01:21:38   and looking right here at my you know at [TS]

01:21:41   my Snow Leopard screen on my laptop if [TS]

01:21:44   it does feel like a step backwards you [TS]

01:21:46   couldn't you couldn't say that from [TS]

01:21:49   obviously from Snow Leopard to Leopard [TS]

01:21:51   you couldn't really say it you know but [TS]

01:21:54   this almost feels like going back to the [TS]

01:21:56   10.4 kind of days where where things are [TS]

01:21:59   really look different and act different [TS]

01:22:00   work different and like there's little [TS]

01:22:02   stripes and things all over everything [TS]

01:22:04   like this is that much of a step anytime [TS]

01:22:07   you change the look so comprehensively [TS]

01:22:08   it always makes the old one feel weird [TS]

01:22:10   the pinstripes is a great example [TS]

01:22:12   you know the pinstripes no one really [TS]

01:22:13   noticed that much especially since it [TS]

01:22:15   was a call back [TS]

01:22:15   the pinstripes from classic Mac OS but [TS]

01:22:17   when they drop the pinstripes and you [TS]

01:22:18   use the one without them for a while it [TS]

01:22:20   seemed a little bit weird at first but [TS]

01:22:21   then you went back to the pinstripe one [TS]

01:22:22   you're like how did I look at this all [TS]

01:22:24   day it's just exactly any time you made [TS]

01:22:26   a significant change like that it does [TS]

01:22:28   that I'm going to reserve my paintings [TS]

01:22:30   for look mostly because I want to save [TS]

01:22:31   it for the review and also because again [TS]

01:22:33   at this point it's like a hodgepodge [TS]

01:22:35   some applications have been updated some [TS]

01:22:37   haven't they're tweaking the things [TS]

01:22:38   they're going to change stuff I also [TS]

01:22:40   wouldn't put too much stock in the way [TS]

01:22:41   these controls look obviously the [TS]

01:22:44   overall look is going to be you know [TS]

01:22:45   pretty much like what you said you look [TS]

01:22:47   at the screenshots you can see more gray [TS]

01:22:49   less color more minimal the rounded [TS]

01:22:52   corners is interesting because if you [TS]

01:22:53   remember in Snow Leopard maybe it was in [TS]

01:22:55   leopard either in leopard and Snow [TS]

01:22:56   Leopard they rounded the bottom corners [TS]

01:22:57   of pull down menus from the menu but [TS]

01:22:59   yeah I noted that in one of the reviews [TS]

01:23:01   and this is just like an extension of [TS]

01:23:02   that like whoever likes those rounded [TS]

01:23:03   corners oh and also in Snow Leopard in [TS]

01:23:06   the stupid QuickTime Player that I hate [TS]

01:23:08   with a passion they rounded the bottom [TS]

01:23:09   corners of the video and now they're [TS]

01:23:11   doing out of windows now menus I don't [TS]

01:23:13   mind because it's just a list of items [TS]

01:23:14   but windows especially movie players [TS]

01:23:17   like why don't I get to see those pixels [TS]

01:23:18   that are in the corner what if there's [TS]

01:23:19   something significant there right if [TS]

01:23:21   it's a given its supposed to be a window [TS]

01:23:23   to show my content you've just decided [TS]

01:23:25   that those three pixels on in each of [TS]

01:23:27   the bottom corners are not important [TS]

01:23:28   enough for me to see so yeah just don't [TS]

01:23:30   we're not even the show those be draw [TS]

01:23:31   anything there we won't see it mmm [TS]

01:23:33   that's that bothers me just on principle [TS]

01:23:36   and especially since it's such a subtle [TS]

01:23:38   rounding it's such a tiny rounding so [TS]

01:23:39   it's probably an option and developers [TS]

01:23:42   can probably get rid of it or whatever [TS]

01:23:43   but it just it bothers me that it shows [TS]

01:23:45   there's a tiny tiny lack of respect for [TS]

01:23:48   your content for the content of the [TS]

01:23:50   application apples pretty rounded [TS]

01:23:53   corners and more important than those [TS]

01:23:54   successful and 99% of time maybe they [TS]

01:23:57   are more important but it's the [TS]

01:23:58   principle not the practical concern that [TS]

01:24:00   that bothers me about this well you [TS]

01:24:02   remember when all of Apple's screen [TS]

01:24:05   corners are rounded of course yeah that [TS]

01:24:08   was that that was on the screen but at [TS]

01:24:09   least the windows themselves you know [TS]

01:24:10   there wasn't any maximized but they've [TS]

01:24:12   always they've always liked those [TS]

01:24:13   rounded corners they do run a car like [TS]

01:24:16   it they're perfect for buttons they're [TS]

01:24:17   great for menus for Windows like System [TS]

01:24:19   Preferences where you use a preference [TS]

01:24:20   pane that's just the UI but like a movie [TS]

01:24:22   player well yeah I agree I agree with [TS]

01:24:24   you that area the other thing I'll give [TS]

01:24:27   a tiny rant on the [TS]

01:24:30   the the quicktime player did they put [TS]

01:24:32   that big honkin controls floating over [TS]

01:24:34   the movie that's Connor but you wanna [TS]

01:24:35   like scrub through the movie you have to [TS]

01:24:37   use the controller to scrub through the [TS]

01:24:38   movie unless you can try to figure what [TS]

01:24:39   the keyboard commands are and stuff like [TS]

01:24:41   that but you can't see half the movie so [TS]

01:24:42   say you're scrubbing through trying to [TS]

01:24:43   look for a subtitle on a scene the hall [TS]

01:24:44   controller is blocked you can move the [TS]

01:24:46   control out of the way and you just it's [TS]

01:24:48   like kind of shove the stupid I wish I [TS]

01:24:49   could yank it out of the window and say [TS]

01:24:50   put the controller not overlapping the [TS]

01:24:52   content and let me move it so I still [TS]

01:24:54   use the QuickTime Player 7 which is kind [TS]

01:24:56   of ugly and dated but at least it [TS]

01:24:57   doesn't least it gives a perfect [TS]

01:24:59   rectangle for the enemy is the same for [TS]

01:25:00   the same reason I use that takes a lot [TS]

01:25:02   of that I have no knowledge of this but [TS]

01:25:06   I bet you that thing's gonna be gone [TS]

01:25:07   from I just hope it still launches I'll [TS]

01:25:10   keep it around whoa that's what I did [TS]

01:25:12   originally with a with snow leopard and [TS]

01:25:14   leopard or whatever version they I think [TS]

01:25:15   Snow Leopard is when they gave the bad [TS]

01:25:16   video player I had the old version [TS]

01:25:18   around but eventually Apple decided to [TS]

01:25:20   ship it and keep it working yeah I was [TS]

01:25:22   looking after after playing around with [TS]

01:25:24   Lion I was looking to see if there were [TS]

01:25:26   any current apps that Apple makes that [TS]

01:25:29   have the rounded corners on Snow Leopard [TS]

01:25:33   just looking around and saying you know [TS]

01:25:35   are there any apps out there that exist [TS]

01:25:37   right now with rounded corners and [TS]

01:25:38   there's only there's only I think a [TS]

01:25:41   couple iTunes is one of them and another [TS]

01:25:45   is iChat contact window both have [TS]

01:25:47   rounded bottom corners most apps have [TS]

01:25:50   rounded upper corners but so so one [TS]

01:25:53   other thing I wanted to to point out [TS]

01:25:55   here and I don't know if we can talk [TS]

01:25:56   about this you have to tell me can we [TS]

01:25:59   talk about how lion the lion developer [TS]

01:26:04   preview is obtained and installed can we [TS]

01:26:06   discuss that yeah cuz I've read it all [TS]

01:26:08   over websites every website that has [TS]

01:26:10   discussed this development preview has [TS]

01:26:11   said that you know developers download [TS]

01:26:13   it through the Mac apps through the Mac [TS]

01:26:14   App Store so as you log into your [TS]

01:26:16   developer account and it gives you a [TS]

01:26:18   redemption code and then you redeem this [TS]

01:26:20   code in the Mac App Store the same way [TS]

01:26:23   you would redeem any code and and it [TS]

01:26:26   downloads it and and then gives you an [TS]

01:26:29   installer and you install it right there [TS]

01:26:32   and that's kind of that I mean that's [TS]

01:26:35   really the first time that they've done [TS]

01:26:36   something like this in the past it was [TS]

01:26:38   always a you know a URL that you would [TS]

01:26:41   be given [TS]

01:26:42   within the Mac developer webpage and it [TS]

01:26:46   would you know do all it's weird [TS]

01:26:47   redirects and give you a whole you know [TS]

01:26:48   some strange URLs and that was all there [TS]

01:26:50   to prevent people from passing that URL [TS]

01:26:53   around to other people and and you know [TS]

01:26:57   downloading it as a file you know it it [TS]

01:27:01   definitely makes it easier I guess to to [TS]

01:27:06   district illegally distribute well the [TS]

01:27:09   thing about the the files is that they [TS]

01:27:11   would do that redirects and for a while [TS]

01:27:12   they were doing HTTP basic [TS]

01:27:13   authentication linden and hopefully not [TS]

01:27:19   guessable and would expire but those [TS]

01:27:21   URLs at various times have been your FTP [TS]

01:27:24   or HTTP both of which are resumable [TS]

01:27:25   protocols and both of which you can run [TS]

01:27:28   from within your web browser assuming [TS]

01:27:30   you're all off DUP but when there was no [TS]

01:27:31   auth you could just double you get them [TS]

01:27:32   or something you got the URL you could [TS]

01:27:34   copy it out of the you know look at [TS]

01:27:35   where the last place is sent you was and [TS]

01:27:37   just W get that sucker whatever you want [TS]

01:27:39   to do from the command line [TS]

01:27:39   there was no auth when you do it from [TS]

01:27:41   Safari at the very least Safari would [TS]

01:27:43   resume if it died halfway through as [TS]

01:27:46   long as you re off against the URL there [TS]

01:27:47   was all sorts of things you could do as [TS]

01:27:49   someone whose computer savvy and to [TS]

01:27:51   develop or whatever to make sure that [TS]

01:27:52   you had a successful download and they [TS]

01:27:54   were very fast because their stuff was [TS]

01:27:55   on content distribution networks and [TS]

01:27:56   everything and the complaints I've seen [TS]

01:27:58   on Twitter and online from people trying [TS]

01:28:00   to do this for the Mac App Store is that [TS]

01:28:02   you don't have those tools we don't know [TS]

01:28:04   what's going on behind the scenes in the [TS]

01:28:05   Mac App Store unless you're doing [TS]

01:28:06   Network traces and everything and a lot [TS]

01:28:08   of people got stuck they would try to [TS]

01:28:11   download it through the Mac App Store [TS]

01:28:12   and it would stop halfway through due to [TS]

01:28:14   some obscure error and they couldn't [TS]

01:28:15   resume it and you only get one [TS]

01:28:17   redemption code you can tree enter the [TS]

01:28:18   redemption code all you can do is [TS]

01:28:20   relaunch that Mac App Store yeah and you [TS]

01:28:22   Tilly click this button it would say oh [TS]

01:28:24   it's right installed no it's not you've [TS]

01:28:25   only got half the file or it would say [TS]

01:28:27   you know downloading but it's not [TS]

01:28:29   actually downloading right what happened [TS]

01:28:31   to me I got I got a message that said [TS]

01:28:33   the disc was full which which it wasn't [TS]

01:28:38   but eventually I just I was able to have [TS]

01:28:43   it re download and reinstall and it did [TS]

01:28:47   and it gave the app it finally did work [TS]

01:28:49   so it's an interesting you know an [TS]

01:28:51   interesting new technique an interesting [TS]

01:28:52   new way to to do it but it's not [TS]

01:28:55   shocking [TS]

01:28:55   either because this is a brand mac app [TS]

01:28:57   store is brand new it's only been out [TS]

01:28:58   for you know a little while now so this [TS]

01:29:01   is not surprising that there are bugs in [TS]

01:29:02   the Mac App Store app causing this is [TS]

01:29:04   just frustrating for developers to have [TS]

01:29:07   to work through those bugs yeah [TS]

01:29:08   presumably eventually it'll be all [TS]

01:29:10   worked out and you know they'll want to [TS]

01:29:12   do some new way to download stuff oh so [TS]

01:29:13   can't you just do it through the Mac App [TS]

01:29:14   Store that was so reliable and it work [TS]

01:29:16   right now you're bringing this anything [TS]

01:29:17   I joke and by the way the Installer is [TS]

01:29:20   still a three point six gig file in my [TS]

01:29:22   Applications folder yeah oh I don't you [TS]

01:29:26   know I didn't I guess I can be updating [TS]

01:29:29   or than Angry Birds a little bit so it's [TS]

01:29:33   a little bit asking a lot of the neck [TS]

01:29:34   out alright we bet we better wrap this [TS]

01:29:35   up it's been 90 minutes yeah so we will [TS]

01:29:38   we will be back next week hopefully you [TS]

01:29:40   will recover quickly from your your cold [TS]

01:29:42   your sore throat couldn't tell you do [TS]

01:29:45   you sounded decent I can tell certain [TS]

01:29:47   all right well let's not push it any [TS]

01:29:49   further all right so we will we'll wrap [TS]

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01:30:08   be back next week at noon on Friday for [TS]

01:30:10   more hypercritical [TS]

01:30:12   right what else is there that's it have [TS]

01:30:14   a good week that's it [TS]

01:30:16   you [TS]