00:00:01 ◼ ► this is hypercritical episode number 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► it's a weekly talkshow ruminating on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► exactly what is wrong in the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/6">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► businesses nothing is so perfect that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► can't be complained about and the man in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► charge of complaining here the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/16">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► complainer chief of complaints is John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► how are you today I'm a little bit sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/23">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► but I'm ready to complain little yes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/26">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► you ready you could even complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/28">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► being sick if you look good but no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/29">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► wants to hear that well we'd like to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► thanks right up front to the Typekit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/34">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► they're the easiest way to use real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► fonts on your website they pioneered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/42">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► use of CSS web fonts nearly two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/45">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► ago and they continue to be the leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► source for designers and developers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► use to make their websites look really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/51">TS</a>]
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00:01:00 ◼ ► high quality fonts from likes of Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► font font process and more simple fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/62">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and beautiful John it's the way the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► should be Typekit comm boom lion can eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/67">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► can you hear it roaring we're not ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/74">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► for that yet not ready alright I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/76">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► I'd give a little teaser what's to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/78">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► alright well I think people can guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► but we gotta do some follow up first ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► so I guess I have a trim selection to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► follow up today and has a lot to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► connectors which will tie into our later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► discussion of the new MacBooks line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► all that good stuff the firewire 400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/96">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► episode yes it is a connector that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► nicely asymmetrical and you couldn't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/102">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► it in the wrong way and then as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► mentioned on another show we got some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► feedback from people saying no if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► are sufficiently determined you can jam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► that plug in the wrong way and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► about why this might be possible because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► if you look at the plug like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/116">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► it's it's rectangle on one end and sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► of a triangle with a clipped off tip on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► the other end and it seems like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► no way this thing could go in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► receptacle that accepts that plug a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/126">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► of them kind of have metal flanges like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► rounding it this sort of pinched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► plug when you put it in and if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/135">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► nothing supporting those metal flanges I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► can imagine if you were to put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/138">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► wrong way and just shove it in yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► could Bend the two metal flanges that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► would lay against the triangular parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► and just bend them outward so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► rectangular part fits in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► apparently doing this destroys the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/149">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► so it just goes to show that merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► having a plug with a symmetrical is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► sufficient to defeat the most determined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► users of shoving in the wrong way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► still say obviously you wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► asymmetrical so that the let's say less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► harried people can put it in the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/169">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► way and not be confused about the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► computer labs and stuff like that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► is the worst possible environment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/176">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► hardware people just treat the machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► terribly and right people are walking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/179">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► off the street plugging in plugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► whatever they feel like into the into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► doesn't fit they just press harder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/186">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► if it's your own machine you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/187">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► it and say perhaps I'm shoving in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/189">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► wrong way let me look at the shape of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/190">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► the connectors um yeah and I really to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/191">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► think that someone sent me a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/196">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► this bi-directional USB plug it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/197">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► regular USB plug the flat rectangular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► one but inside it where you is normally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► like a sort of plastic block and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► I'm 1/2 and the whole nailer that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► internal asymmetry that makes it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► can shove it in the outside fits with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► the inside doesn't so it has to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► bi-directional USB plug and I'll have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► link in the show notes has two plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► blocks inside the connector and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► matter which way you put it in one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/226">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► the plastic blocks slides backwards I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► think this is probably a not a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► design because anytime you put moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/233">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► parts inside of connect there's just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/234">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► more thing to break and I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► know if this is a real connector or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/237">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► a prototype or an idea but it shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/238">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► someone else out there was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/241">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► about this and saying man it's USB plugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► are stupid what can we do about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► mean I I'm tempted to say that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► interesting if that caught on but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/250">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► think will probably be bad if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► caught on because you really can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/253">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► moving things inside of connectors just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► it seems like the walls the walls of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► connector themselves need to be not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/259">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► minam that's bendable you know it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► it needs to it needs to it the fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► pins that you can have the better you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► know you think about the the days of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► we've talked about scuzzy drives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► know it was so easy to screw up the pins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/278">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► on those connectors well they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► pins now they have contacts you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► pins Bend you know and especially with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► these serial interfaces they have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/287">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► know four contacts or whatever and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► shove those things against the walls of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► the connector and that's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/291">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► structural integrity of the connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/297">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► itself to maintain your connections so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/298">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► on the same issue someone brought up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► dock connector again which I already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► complained about and they mentioned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► asymmetrical and if you look really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/311">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► closely at the iPod dock connector you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► can see it only does go in one way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/314">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► it's got a little logo on the dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► connector and you're supposed to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/317">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► that logo face up but it's asymmetrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► at a very tiny scale unless your vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► is very good you can't even see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/323">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► it's actually asymmetrical but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/324">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► to look you have to look for the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/327">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► symbol on top of it to know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/328">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► you're doing it right right I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► you can look really closely and see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/331">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► edge or you can feel it but it's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/332">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► it's a case where you wish the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► really was symmetrical because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/338">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► asymmetrical so slightly that you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/339">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► actually look at the connector itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/345">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► versus something like the firewire 400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► where you can look at that connector and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/348">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► see or feel with your fingers very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► easily you know which side is the pointy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► side in which side is not a last bit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/353">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► connectors I was talking about how on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► the on Apple's laptops in recent years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► they've made the connectors go in size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► order along the side from big to small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/364">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► from back to front yep and a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/365">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► displayport actually in the show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► pointed out that when they went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/371">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► MagSafe that kind of screwed it up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► little bit because Matt the power was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► always at the far back of the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► and the power connector used to be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/377">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► circle but MagSafe is smaller so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► right away you're starting off with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/381">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► smaller connector and then it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/382">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► bigger and then smaller from there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► other people pointed out that the mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/386">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► DisplayPort connector which we'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► about later when they changed from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► whatever they had DVI out or those at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► mini DVI or whatever they can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► displayport it kind of messed up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/396">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► well at first they reordered the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► first machines that mini-displayport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/401">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► said we've got a new port and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► really small so it goes closer to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► front of the machine so we still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/405">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► our nice size order but things like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► or two revisions ago they reordered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/408">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► ports again and they shove the mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► displayport back a couple spots so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► was like big small or small or super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► small a little bit bigger you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► the overall trend was still big to small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/419">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► but at mini DisplayPort broke up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► pattern a little bit so maybe they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► moving away from the strict size order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► thing and just sticking with the roughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/426">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► backwards and forwards so I guess you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► have to call that progress um and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► other bit of off I want to do is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► audio quality I got a lot of feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► from this when I was talking about how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► don't remember what show it was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/442">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► talking about how I don't like to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► lossy compressed audio and rather advice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► is figure to get a physical backup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► the audio quality is better and how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► sort of digital music resolution a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► revolution has made us take a step back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/453">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► in audio quality where as it looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► we were going to go from CD to super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/458">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► audio CD or DVD audio or something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► had better audio quality instead we went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► from CD to mp3 and other formats that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► less quality than than CD and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/466">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► the audio files send me information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► about where I can get higher quality at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► digital music there's a couple different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/474">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► websites we can find that it's obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/475">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► they don't have everything and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/479">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► it is like classical or obscure stuff or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► linked a couple of them the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/482">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► one of them I thought I'd heard it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► before was called HD tracks comm what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► kind of music do you actually listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/488">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► geeks my age music so I think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► lot of people who are who are our age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► who like Bruce Springsteen and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► bands of that era like I like it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► know REM you to that type of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► pop bands from the 80s and 90s not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► of Lady Gaga and then I also have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► modern music that I listen to which like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► I think a lot of geeks like Radiohead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/519">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► and I'm one of those as well and believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/520">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► it or not I resisted Lady gaga for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► long time because I've just not into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► that type of thing or the whole shtick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► or whatever but it's good music so I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► they'll tip me too so when I what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► Katy Perry and she is a pale imitation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/535">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► invitation well it's similar I like her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► music dance beats poppy kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► but trying to have an edge and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► I mean she's not bad she has some songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► that are okay but what do you kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► listen to do you allow them to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► music I'm into music yet I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/558">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► they listen to you know we played all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► the kids see these in the cars you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► that they might be giants and we try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/566">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► Philadelphia chickens is a good one if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► you got kids up there get that one it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► a good stuff um but anyway that's it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► follow up or do sir no no I got I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► talk a little bit more about the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► quality stuff okay so the other point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► that I meant to bring up about the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/586">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► quality was it I think I touched her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/587">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► briefly but more people sent me feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► on it was that it's not just that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► went down in quality when we went from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► CD to mp3 it's also when we went from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► vinyl to CD that there was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► phenomenon going on at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► which is uh known colloquially as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► loudness war have you heard in this sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► have ya oh you're an audio guy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► all about this so I put two links in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► Wikipedia page on the loudness wall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► the other one is a YouTube video that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/616">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► explains it but it basically means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/617">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► they took out the dynamic range of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► music so when they mastered the music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/622">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► you can choose to do whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/624">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► with the waveform and what they did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► they made it so the entire track is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/627">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► louder rather than having quiet parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► and loud parts and as anyone who's ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► sold stereo speakers or been in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► environment knows a lot of music sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► better to customers so everyone wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► their music to sound better and to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/641">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► your music sound better you just make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/643">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► louder but by making the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/644">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► loud or you have a loudness threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► that you can can't go beyond on the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► the track itself right so if you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► your dial on five and you play your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► track it will sound the quiet parts will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/653">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► sound more quiet than someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/656">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► track that was heavily compressed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► that made you know the quiet parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/659">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► almost as loud as the loud parts what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► interesting is is on this lavish War [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► it shows it has an animated gif which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/666">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► pronounce that that shows a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► waveform in 1983 87 93 and 2000 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/674">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► all of the same song which is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► by the Beatles and it shows how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► been mastered over CD all the way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/684">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► since that first release I guess in 83 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► and in 2000 the the green waveform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► completely fill of the track completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► fills the the image that's how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► louder they've made it and it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/698">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► not just like when you say loudness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► people get confused because like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/703">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► doesn't that just depend on the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/704">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► knob it's it's the waveform itself it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► the difference between the quiet parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► and the loud parts and if you eliminate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► that difference so that the quiet parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► and loud parts are basically the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/713">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► volume you've lost a lot of the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/714">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► they call dynamic range in the song the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/718">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► YouTube video shows an animation of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► and they play the audio so if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/722">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► to hear an example this it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► bit more difficult to hear them to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► but visually it's very striking when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► see those waveforms like that and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► really doesn't have much to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/732">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► quality except for the fact that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► know the the you know the bitrate of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► audio whichever I forget which statistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► of the audio files corresponds to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/741">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► loudness but there was a ceiling on CDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► that supposedly didn't exist as much in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► vinyl and on that side of the coin what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► they're trying to do now is get higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► quality audio files like that HD tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/755">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► places higher quality audio files more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/756">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► bits per sample and more samples per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/759">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► second brain is what well stand Emory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and it was a story floating around last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► week they kind of got stomped on by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► Apple news that came later about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► supposedly in talks with I guess with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► the the labels or whoever else to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/771">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► higher quality music on there their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► store and they've done that once before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/774">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► they went from 128 kilobits a C's to 256 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/775">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► but now they're supposedly in talks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► change the number of bits per sample [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► perhaps increasing the sample rate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/786">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► kilohertz these are all those rumors you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► don't know really what's happening but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► it's good to see that there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► motion that front of course the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► kind of sent a goal and that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► they just want to be able to charge more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/802">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► and to make people rebuy the same music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► again they want to have that thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► it's like hey upgrade your whole library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► to the new super high quality audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/808">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► files for just 30 cents for each track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► and they love to get you to pay more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/811">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► money for things you already own and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► if they do do this change and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► provide lossless audio or maybe even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/818">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► they don't they may actually be offering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► something that's better than the CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► quality which will be a first for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► mass-market music sales so I'm glad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► see some motion in this area any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► changes that at least acknowledge that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► there's something else I think in are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► good and I've read articles too that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► just talk about the current generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► of people where if you play them in mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► they will prefer the sound of an mp3 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/842">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► what we would think of as an old-school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► you know vinyl recording they like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► like the sizzle of the compression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/853">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► artifact right that's a reassuring to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► them or they'll is the same sort of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► that a vinyl person would like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► hiss and the pop of your going odd it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► that I mean I think that's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► can't really go by what they want if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/866">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► give them higher quality audio without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► that sizzle it's not like they'll reject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/870">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► it even if they in a be testing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► have a preference for the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/875">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► they'll get used to whatever they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/876">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► used to the whole reason they like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► sizzles because they're used to it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► limiting factor where people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► to say well I would give this higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/883">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► audio quality file but during the drum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/884">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► solo section I like that crackling sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► recompress the song if you want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/890">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► yeah yeah so that's all I've got for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► follow up I think for this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► because we got a lot we did get we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► get one more person or two emailing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► say they would like to hear why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► don't have a smartphone why you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► have an iPhone rather yeah stragglers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► people listening to the podcast don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/907">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► realize they're listening to an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► I predict I'll be I predict that we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/911">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► emails about that every time somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► getting emails about that for the next I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► would say couple years maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► indefinitely that's all right I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► you should answer you don't ever answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► I usually say listen to episode number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► whatever it was oh you do you not CC'ing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► me it's not it's not enough that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► reply if someone is on Twitter I'll I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► just do a quick out reply and says you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► know listen to the next episode or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► whatever sometimes people apologize and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/942">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► say they didn't realize it was they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/943">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► listen to an episode in the past but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/947">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► big deal it's mostly blame you for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► because really you're the one who made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/950">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► the call for feedback mmm that's true I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/951">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► did yeah so now on on to the news right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/954">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► the new the new stuff so yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/957">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► mention I should I should get in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/962">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► although I think personally that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/965">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► show could be listened to not just in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► week or a month from now but decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► from now and it would still be 99% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► relevant I wouldn't go that far I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► ask if you would on but it is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► though John to mention that that today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► is Friday February 25th yesterday was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/986">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► the 24th it's 2011 so in case you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► listening to this in a decade you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/991">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► look back on this yesterday is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/994">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► announcement rather so let me make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► that that was yesterday right yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► yesterday okay so yesterday February [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► Johnny's birthday it was Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► birthday it was apparently so February [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► 24th 2011 Apple made this announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► of the new MacBook Pros and they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► announced the Thunderbolt stuff and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► developers lion to download and revealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► their line page and had a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► information about that so the Developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► Preview became available there's a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► things that we'd like to talk about we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► want to obviously we want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► Thunderbolt in in general right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► number two we definitely want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► about how they play into the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► MacBook Pro number three we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► talk about of course lion but we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► limit ourselves to what we can say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► lion and the reason is both you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► are Mac app developers and and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► or we're Apple developers so too so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► so we have to limit although we know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► both you and I know a lot more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► we're going to be able to say we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► limit what we can say to what has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► otherwise we're breaking our NDA talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► plus I have another reason to limit what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► I say in that when new OS developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► release comes out I tend to stop talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► about it a little bit because I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► going to have to write a big article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► about it and if I talk about every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► single thing that's going to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► article the article becomes boring so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► gotta save some yeah you're gonna save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► it I mean that's your bread and butter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► so it's more about dessert yeah that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► good way to put it so you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► reserve some but you know that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► we do need to talk about it and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► very cool but we're going to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► limit now here's the question time do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► have to limit ourselves to what's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► apple's site or can we do just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► limit ourselves to what if somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► and publish something I think once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► something's on the public web we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► talk about screenshots that anybody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► see on a public website because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► not the ones breaking that NDA it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► screenshots up and we're just looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► them and don't you smoke can we see on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► the web again all right I'm with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► it's nice how you got me to say that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► helicopters come you can say I asked him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► and he said it was okay yeah they throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► us both in different you know different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► interrogation rooms and well they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► recorded a recorded record now they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► culpable yeah so then what do we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► do first a new MacBook Pro so and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► a theory I have a theater an over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► arching theory about Lion in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► that I'll talk to you about and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► probably already thought of this and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► like to hear if you think it's true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► back to the new met so the new MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► Pros come out they've got faster CPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► they've got new graphics cards in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► they're faster Apple also decided to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► in the the same metric that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► using to measure the MacBook Airs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► battery life they have now applied this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► same technique or measurement style to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► the MacBook Pros so although it they now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► are reporting a shorter battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► apples saying that the battery life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► measuring it differently yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► ya know real life if they were if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► think the zoo methodology is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► fine but what what you always go by what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► I always go by is I look at the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► power rating for the battery how many uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► milliwatts hours or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► just look at the CPU and say well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► this is a CPU or screen or any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► components they take more or less power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► than the previous revision or they about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► the same and then you look at the rating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► for the battery and say this is battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► bigger or smaller than it used to be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► you can usually get a good feel for will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► this have similar battery life to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► previous model and I think in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► I don't think they shrunk the battery at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► all so I would I would imagine that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► and I think the CPU and everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► screen are comparable in terms of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► draw especially on the low-end model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► where they don't even have a discrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► GPU anymore but that's that's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► ahead let me give my quick overview of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► the the MacBook Pros please so I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► little bit not disappointed but I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► it was an unrealistic expectation but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► was really hoping that they would WoW me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► by introducing a new line of MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► Pros that were designed around the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► of an optical drive because you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► lots of interesting things if you decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► I'm going to make a laptop that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► have an optical drive inside it and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► not saying you have to make it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► MacBook Air because you would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► different trade-offs here you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► possible you would say take the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► that used to be occupied by that optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► drive or take some of it at least and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► use it for something else and you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► lots of stuff with that space you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► put the biggest thing you can do is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► put more battery there yeah and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► spot or whatever to rearrange the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► internals to reuse that space to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► yourself a bigger battery and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► doesn't who doesn't like that right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► can make it a little bit smaller than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► used to be maybe a little bit thinner a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► little bit narrow or something and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► can also if you decided you could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► that that space to give yourself room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► for like another hard drive or a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► 2.5 inch SSD for like hybrid storage or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► one of those non you know one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► sort of on a card SSD things like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► airs now you can do lots of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► things but apparently Apple's not ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► to take that step yet and you can kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► of understand people really do want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► is he fit about them all gotta buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► $79 external obstacle and the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► all-in-one machine I watch DVDs in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► planning I do X Y & Z so we're not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► yet I guess for getting rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► obstacles but it was just something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► would have liked to seen so given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► they didn't ditch the optical drive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► these and given the the Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► thing which we'll talk about in a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► these strike me as transitional machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► revision of the MacBooks the peak of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► that iteration and that iteration being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► the ones with firewire and USB unibody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► and with with discrete GPUs and in truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► they were getting a little long in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► tooth like they had the Core 2 Duo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► the low end model that's an ancient CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► generations of these things that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► sort of the end of the line for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1378">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► MacBook as we know it that had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► survived for three or four revisions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► now they're starting on a new generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► of MacBooks and this one is kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► the awkward one where they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► really gone all-in on it they've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► new architecture inside there where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► we've got the integrated graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► controller on the low-end model so no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► more discrete GPU because Intel's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► internal Intel's on-die GPU is finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► non sucky like it's not great but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► about as good as the old separate GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► and so you got a lower power there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► you've got a more modern CPU so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► whole new architecture inside for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► and I've got this Thunderbolt port on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► there right that supposedly someday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► might replace all sorts of other ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► but all the other ports are still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► so you haven't ditched the optical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► interconnect but you haven't ditched all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► the other ports so this is clearly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► the weird transitional machine between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► the old MacBook Pros that we knew and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► the new MacBook Pros that are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► have maybe just a couple of Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► ports no more optical drive thinner or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► lighter more like chunkier MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► right right right right and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► interesting that they didn't I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► that they didn't stick with the on-die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► GPU for the high-end models because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► still have discreet GPUs and I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► have pretty impressive discreet GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► highest of high end 15 inch and 17 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► inches they got a gigabyte of dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► vram that's more than my mac pro has on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► its card so that's kind of depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► although it is kind of said that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► know when you've got the integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► on-die GPU it each part of your system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► memory because it doesn't use dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► vram it's not a speed issue it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► that you're out basically 384 megabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► of system memory because the GPU wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► to use that I'm sure it doesn't use all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► pre-allocate it either way it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► rude that the GPU is eating some of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► system memory but the lower even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► lower end machines are starting out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► your starting out with a lot more system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► memory in these particular models than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► what are they standard for and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► maximum 8 now I think so I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► looking right now if I have to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► like the Buy Now link to see ok so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► low is the lowest end one has four cakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► of RAM right everybody in fact they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► reasonable but the fact that they max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► out at 8 d can you confirm that I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► maxed out at 8 I'm going to I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► try this right now and I'll tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► what I'll tell you what they do theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► and I'm also going to check and see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► there's different differences in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► models but if I'm if I go to the site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► right now yeah that's it I have 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► options I can either do 4 gigs or 8 gigs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► and it looks more to go to 8 Jerome says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► max is 8 and it's getting at the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► now where the the power users really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► machines have for real cores and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► hyper-threading it shows is 8 virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► cores they have they have a pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► good GPU with a gigabyte of dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► vram you'd want to do you can do lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► stuff on this thing but with 8 gigs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► ram you know forget about doing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► machines running yeah you can handle it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► but you just don't have enough RAM for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► that you know I want to run all my Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► apps plus some VMs and open I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► I'm out of RAM yeah you're absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► right I mean even a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► are doing video editing work or Final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► Cut Pro stuff or even audio editing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► you know Photoshop work those all take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► so much so much RAM that I know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► people who you know eight-eight is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► entry point for them yeah and you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► well it's a portable it's not suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► are supposed to be desktop replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► machines these days and then that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► to my over my overarching theory but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► we'll get to that in a minute yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► replacements just that they just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► tremendous power like they they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► going to be faster in some things than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► Mac Pro's from not too many years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► you know so this especially if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► got them plugged into a desk and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► got an extra mono monitor attached and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► everything the RAM is the thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► limiting you and it's it's a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► because you're like I'm not limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► because I had to get a low-power GPU I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► not limited because you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► portable or there is heat concerns or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► anything like that I'm limited by they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► just couldn't stick anymore Ram isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► that's another thing you can make room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► for if you ditch the optical drive put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► in another slot and yeah so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► that's pretty much all I have to say on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► the MacBook Pros beyond the Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► port you want to do your your theory now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► which I think I probably have an inkling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► of what it is all right no you say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► it is I'm thinking that you you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► under the impression as everyone else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► by looking at the sales charts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► Apple is becoming more and more laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► company than incidentally cells a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► desktops on the side absolutely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► they are basically trying to feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► line of laptops that cover all possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► bases and the outliers that have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► desktop they're trying to get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► smaller and smaller well in everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► everything that we know about Lion it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► absolutely confirms that and I'll and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► I'll tell you why just just looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► the way that and again this this is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► stuff none I do have line running on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► iMac right here but that's not what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► talking about and that's not what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► going to be talking about I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► be talking about what you can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► see by going to apples apples Lion page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► which you can find at apple.com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► Mac OS and of course I know that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 but it's Mac OS X of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► slash lion and if you go to this page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► there's not only screenshots there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► there's also videos there and the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► that that you can look at that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► exemplifies my theory is under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► gestures and animation section there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► animated and if you watch that video you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► see the the perfect human hand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► reaches from from out there and you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► it using you see it using gestures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► working through you know using Mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► Control and using full screen apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► launchpad and for all of these thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► mean first of all looking at looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► the full screen apps for example and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► this is a great feature you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► people who will say well I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► full screen apps but there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► times where a full screen app really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► does make sense browsing email where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► you're where you are kind of uni tasking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► a full screen app can be really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► nice to have you might not want a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► screen app for Photoshop for example you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► might not want it for chat but certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► navigating between full screen apps or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► using full screen apps effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► relies upon having an easy way to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► work with the different windows or go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► back and forth between them and command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► tab isn't it well gestures actually if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► you don't mind doing gestures and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► should talk about whether you like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► gestures with RSI but if you like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► gestures and you find them easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► remember guess what it makes it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► easy to do that the launch the launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► pad works really really nicely with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► gestures and all of all of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► that they demo here gestures and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► you know all of the navigation things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► that you can do with with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► swiping and everything it really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► works well but here's here's two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► I was just talking to Sarah Parmenter on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► this morning's daily edition and she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► designer a very talented designer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► she was saying well I have a 27-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► screen here and she said you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► whole reason that I bought the 27-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► screen is because I very often have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► multiple windows side-by-side I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► want to switch between them I might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► developing a web page in one brand a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► browser window and have Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► we're here and have an editor over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► and she's got them all on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► screen so she doesn't want to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► back and forth between full screen apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► in that situation and so she bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► big screen but everything about the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► that the launch pad works everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► about the way that a lot of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► work in Lyon they imagine not only that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► you have a smaller size screen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► who wants to have Safari full screen Don [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► 27-inch and that's crazy but they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► to work correctly you really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► have a trackpad you don't want a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► you know even yes okay the Magic Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► can do some scrolling but the trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► is where it's at for all these gestures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► so it really it's like lion is designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► with a laptop user in mind I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► saying this is a bad thing I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► a great thing but at the same time a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► of what's being touted is the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► features the cool new stuff is stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► that's only really going to make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► for a certain kind of machine what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► if you imagine from Apple's perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► they can say look we're selling tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► laptops but laptops are our compromised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► machine you know they're smaller you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► people's love for trackpad is a faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► and more accurate input device they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► don't have multiple buttons like they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► on the mouse you know or multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► virtual buttons even though they can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► to kind of say press the upper right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► corner of the trackpad to right click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► and stuff like that it's it's a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► constrained situation they say look what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► can we do to our OS to make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► machines that apparently everybody loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► to buy to make these a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► so it seems like they're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► filling a gap they're saying people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► want to buy laptops laptops are not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► good as desktops in these ways how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► we make our OS change our OS in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► that makes laptop users more efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► so I think that's that's admirable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► it makes sense from the businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► perspective I don't well we'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► about that one gets that line weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► compromising the experience for desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► users in the process but you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► it's a logical consequence of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► selling mostly laptops I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► also a little bit of iOS and B in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► get at all the line stuff yet I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► do Thunderbolt first okay and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► that's fine we can talk about that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► one other thing people are pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► that oh well there's the Magic Trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and I have one so yeah you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► could use that they're not completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► closing those people off and saying they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► you can't use it but if you if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► to Apple would never reveal this but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► you were to find out how many magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► trackpads were sold and not returned or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► how many are were sold and are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► in use yeah very small numbers and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► because a mouse is more efficient than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► track that it doesn't mean that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► like to use a mouse more but if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► some sort of contest where you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► bunch of squares in the screen people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► have to click them as fast as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► based on which one turned yellow or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► mousers would destroy track bit oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► and any experience you know I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► have one and I like it but I only use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► in certain situations oh man right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► feel like even the efficiency concern is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► there especially for like pro users you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► know going to the other extreme is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► saying like at a certain point you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► to abandon the mouse like Final Cut Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► users who have those colored keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► where they just do everything through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► the keyboard because just any time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► have to even reach for the mouse it cuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► down there exactly so there's a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► scale of people who want efficiency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► offering a trackpad is a nice way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► saying hey Desktop guys so you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► feel left out you can do some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► gestures too but really I think all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► these features with the gestures and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► fullscreen and everything are tailored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► to try to make the laptop piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► people potentially as efficient as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► desktop people try to close that gap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► they they go back in the other direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► just because people don't always want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► what's most efficient they want what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► they enjoy the most and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► Thunderbolt yeah so first question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► have for you thunderbolt and until this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► came out it was called light peak but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► that was the cut was the code name for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► it but since Apple is really the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► machine coming out with these ports you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► get the impression that Apple named it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► Thunderbolt well so that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► odd thing about this I mentioned I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► I was like two shows ago we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► a light peak yeah and you know it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► years and years light peak has been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► the thing that's going to replace USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► and stuff like that an Apple pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► sat out the USB 3 thing because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► with USB 3 yeah but Apple is not adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► it to its computer as much to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► chagrin of people who wanted a faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► especially when they had that brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► grade where they ditched firewire look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► if you're in the ditch far away give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► something give us something that's fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► if it's USB to stinks yeah my MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► which is the original unity macbook not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► macbook pro but just regular MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► which I inherited from my wife when she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► upgraded it does not have firewire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► you know you think you know you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► without it but I'll tell you there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► been so many times when I stopped man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► this thing doesn't have firewire even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► 400 give me something yeah I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► target discommode stuff the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► you do with laptops with firewire even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► if you just need it once every two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► that one time you need it you're pissed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► off in Austria very frustrating so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► there was definitely something coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► but light peak always had this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► odor about it in that you know based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► the name light peak it was gonna be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► optical technology they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► shine light through fiber optic cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► blinking on and off really really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► which is great and very fast but who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► obstacle cables anywhere in their house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► questions like what can you can you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► controller chips for optical connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► cheaply on a mass scale what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► engineering issues involved there well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► how is their ability what about cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► can they you know break or snap or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► cold weather or something Oh what's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► know you don't know you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► anything about it unknown so from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► consumers perspective it was always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► light peak well it sounds really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► but I'm nervous about anything that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► don't have experience but the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► perspective where they're going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► so we currently make a bazillion USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► cables we're going to change to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► optical cables now an optical controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► chips I don't know and so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► always keeping it in in the distant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► future but it by not using USB 3 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► reason I could bring it up Michael I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► gotta do something there are faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► firewire variants this firewire 1600 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► 3200 standards but it was it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► clear it's been pretty clear for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► that the firewire thing just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► catch on industry-wide even the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► guys started changing the USB 2 for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► consumer handhelds video cameras and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► stuff which is a shame because fara was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► really night but really nice bus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► you know it's just not happening so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► had to do something and you had to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► well maybe is going to be light peak and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► that's right up apples alley of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► it'd be the first one to use this cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► optical thing but as it turns out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► they decided to do was launch it perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► sooner than most people expected but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► go with optical go with cobbler yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► electronic version right and it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► the same bus the same protocol it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► the physical layer that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► different and you know you could go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► understanding is the big advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► optical over copper is the better range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► it's also faster and faster to light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► travels through current travels through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► the optical media faster than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► electrons travel through the copper so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► doc do you think down the road then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► will see Apple starting to make a move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► in that direction do you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► they've made a commitment to copper I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► don't think they're in the driver's seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► for that and I think that the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► they'll move away from copper is if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► have you seen what they've done with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► with Ethernet from you know one concert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► gigabit 10 gig Ethernet they just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► pressing and you can also run power over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► the copper and I don't think you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► that overall yeah well yeah they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► alongside it for power or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► that so I not to see optical anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► soon especially since they have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► tons of overhead left in the copper it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► seems like with this with this protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► I and I think 10 gig Ethernet has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► optical option for interconnect I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► what that is but all these standards are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► like well we're gonna stick with copper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► until we absolutely have to because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► just an unknown industry wide about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► consumer mass-market optical stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► everything you've got fire but channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► East long standing standards that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► but in the consumer realm people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► plugging them into anything except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► their I guess their stereo equipment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► that one digital audio cable but those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► demands are much much less than sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► you know hundreds of gigabits per second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► over cables and a big cluster of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► so the other thing that struck me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► thunderbolt which was the the new name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► for it which kind of makes sense because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► you don't to call something like peak if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► there's no light you know that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► kind of rubbing it in well Miss kinda is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► gonna be optical but we couldn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► so like people I thought when the rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► came out that Thunderbolt was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► firewire in that firewire it was Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► trademark name for this I Triple E [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► i Tripoli 1394 or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► that was the lovely non interesting name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► of the standard but Apple trademarked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► firewire for its use and I believe Sony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► trademarked a link a couple people had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► different names for what was essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► the same standard but they wanted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► brand that they owned so a nice offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► Bolton oh that's it must be Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► trademark for this thing they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► exactly what they did with firewire they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► want their own name and it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► bothers me when they have their own name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► because people would think though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► firewire isn't the same as ilink isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► the same as my TV has it I Triple E 1394 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► poor you know it's all the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► but they don't realize it's individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► companies branding it but when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► initial official press releases came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► you look and you see that Thunderbolt is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► Intel's trademark not Apple hmm so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► don't know who named it but this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► situation where Apple has their own name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► for this thing and we're gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► deal with this oh well you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► Apple people with your Thunderbolt ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► well we in the PC world have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► whatever it's going to be Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► everywhere apparently so I'm I was happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► to see that because it it's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► decision by Apple I don't know who came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► up with the name but it's better to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► a standard name across the industry than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► to have Apple special names because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► advantages Apple really have from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► didn't work out that well with firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► so let's try a different tactic this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► time um and the connector the connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2453">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► whenever I did research on light peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► this sort of brought up the whole how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► hate USB connectors thing is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► would say like so this light peak is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► going to be the future like years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► years ago saw light because gonna be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► future I gotta look up to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► they're doing with these connectors so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► and every time I looked up a light B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► connector all I saw was a USB connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► but like little optical cables poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► out of the inside of it I said no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► again this is this new standard it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► generation to leap form we have before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► you're going to use a USB connector um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► announcement up to the day before like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► the the actually that rumor broke if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► googled for like light peak connector or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► light peak demo or light peak prototype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► each largest USB and they never said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► whenever they had demos at trade shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► they use USB looking connectors so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► the when the rumor came out in sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► lightning bolt next to it and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► DisplayPort for people don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► looks kind of like a square yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► yeah shaved off corners of a square it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► yeah it really really really is I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► as far as ports go it's available get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► impossible to put in the wrong way well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► yeah well it here's the thing about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► it's it's asymmetrical but barely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► they should it's so small that yes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► shaved off the corners of the rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► so you can also can only go in one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► but it's just barely just a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► of the corner okay here's what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► does with with all of the ports on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► of their all of their modern hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► and I'll tell you why I noticed this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► was organizing this the studio here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► moving things around and I was moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► the shelf that the g4 cube was on which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► still is one of the coolest whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► was practical or not is did probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► but it one of the coolest Mac's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► Apple ever made and I had moved and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► had set it down and I noticed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► underside of it when you look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► right now if you if you got a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► especially if it's a portable look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the side and you'll see where the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► are and the ports are actually recessed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► into the machine about an eighth of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► inch there so you're dealing with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► solid aluminum piece of metal that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► guiding the insertion of your mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► displayport and all the ports you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► stealing my thunder here man I made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► whole point about bending the connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► the beginning it'll be the payoff all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► right now you jumped right in man oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► do it I was gonna light goes to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► that great and for 18 I think alike yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► but but if you look at the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► this g4 cube it looks just like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► the crappy pcs that you buy it has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► has all the little aluminum casings just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► bent out in little flat I mean it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► terrible I have to take I'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► take a picture of and post it into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► show notes or something but it mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► looks it by today's standards apples to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► the standards today it looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► piece of junk under there and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► ports that they have on the side are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► so even though it's just shaved you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► saying continue yeah well I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► say is that even though it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► barely asymmetrical and if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► it quickly you might think it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► rectangular all of the the laptops at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► least have that aluminum shell that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► very hard and very precisely machined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► especially in a unibody thing or they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► you know cut with those high speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► cutting tools or lasers or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► is yeah the tolerances are really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► tight so even though this connector you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► know all is just barely has the corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► cut off it's very clear that you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► now I suppose if you were determined ape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► trying to smash this thing in there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► what you could possibly do is deform the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► plug itself to conform to the aluminum I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► really don't think you're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► any success bending or deforming the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► aluminum the precision cut aluminum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► around that shape so maybe if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► manhandle it enough to deform the plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► so that it started to become rounded and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► it could go on backwards maybe you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► get it in backwards people come right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► and tell me if they successfully plugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► into mini displayport backwards but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► that aluminum shell on apple's machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► really goes a long way towards helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► the connectors not be put in backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► thunk where you just try to put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► there and it says nope not going this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► way you've got it wrong turn it around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and they have the logos and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► up and down so maybe it's not this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► what happens when connectors gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► asymmetrical but as the connector gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► smaller how you know the the asymmetry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► becomes you know just a few millimeters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► here and there shaved off one edge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► apples quality design really goes a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► way towards helping like that better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► even even on the it's getting to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► same way on the Mac Pros and the IMAX 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► because they all have that aluminum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► shell and the thing can i pro still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► plastic grommets around it which makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► it a little bit looser but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► IMAX are also sort of high-speed machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► cut or laser cut openings for the plugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► that just barely fit them in there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► apples definitely got a leg up there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► using the mini DisplayPort as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► connector is good from a connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► perspective I guess it's small but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► good that's future proof because these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► laptops are just going to get thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► right and you wouldn't want this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► honkin connector being a limiting factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► in how big your laptop is although it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► kind of makes it so now like the rj45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► is the limit is the limiting factor if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► you really want to have Ethernet I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► you can't make your laptop any you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► thinner than an Ethernet port maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► they'll have to come up with like mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► Ethernet or something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► that's the interesting thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► Thunderbolt is that well first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► there already was a mini DisplayPort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► there and people still want to use their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► mini DisplayPort and so now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► saying this is a Thunderbolt port what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► does what does this mean can I not plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► in my monitor now you can still plug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► your monitor to work like at a display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► port what they've done with thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► is they have DisplayPort protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► extension of PCI Express which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► high-speed bus that was formerly just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► confined to inside the machine exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► video cards and stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► that's a big deal right and it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► alongside the DisplayPort protocol and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► that's sort of the nature of this of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► Thunderbolt system is that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► virtual extension of two different buses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► so from the perspective of any device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► that has a Thunderbolt controller in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► when it gets a signal over over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► you know cable it's decoded by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► Thunderbolt controller and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► device thinks is just plugged into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► whatever the protocol is so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► tunnel you know USB over the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► after it gets past the Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► controller in the device the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► device thinks is just connected to USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► directly and the same thing if you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► controller in it the it would you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► decode the DisplayPort protocol and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► the rest of the monitor would think oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► I'm connected directly to DisplayPort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► and same thing for many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► protocols tunneling different protocols [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► over this one bus is is the big feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► and that's why I think well you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► a certain point if that rj45 becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► limiting factor in the thickness of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► laptops how about we ditch it and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► have four yeah blender ports under ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► yes Thunderbolt ports on the side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► then you just have a series of dongles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► and adapters and annoying stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► that but in theory you could tunnel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► these different protocols over this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► bus as long as every device connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► it has a thunderbolt decoder thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► inside it and that's that's the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► with where we are now in this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► dawning age of thunderbolt in it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► mini DisplayPort monitors the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► cells don't have Thunderbolt controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► wasn't even released when they were made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► mini-display port so you can plug that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► into the mini displayport and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► get the DisplayPort protocol right over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► alongside and if you have a chain of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► Thunderbolt devices with theoretical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► Thunderbolt devices I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► anything's even been announced yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► if you had a daisy chain of them if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► put the monitor as the last item in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► in the chain then the DisplayPort that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► been running alongside all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► data on this bus previously will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► directly into the monitor and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► monitor will read it and do what it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► now you can't it has to be the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► the chain because all its all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► monitor is going to be reading is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► DisplayPort signal it doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► anything about you know the PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► stuff that's coming over there and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► certainly can't pass it on to any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► Thunderbolt devices so that's why it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► to be in the end of the chain so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► going to be a long time before we start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► getting devices with these controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► in them Intel in its usual way I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► controllers as cheap as possible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► give them out like candy to everybody so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► they can put them in all their devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► and you'll get hubs and switches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Thunderbolt apparently is able to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► lots of different topologies not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► chain but star patterns and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► other arrangement so I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► they're going to be called hubs or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► switches I think they'd be called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► switches because apparently it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► switch to fabric and not really a bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► but right now let's say there were and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► here's here's what other people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► chat room at first were kind of asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► about and there's a I don't know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► linked it up but there's a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► article on Mac worldcom that answers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► lot of these questions and like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► so right now these adapters don't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► but when they come out you will be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► to plug in any USB device or firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► device into my thunder bolt and port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► yeah and in most cases it's not you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► not getting the full promise of the bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► because so you get one of these adapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► and you plug in a USB thing oh great now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► you turned your Thunder hole as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► earlier in it I turned your one under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► hole into into another USB port so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► instead of your machine having two USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► ports now has three but you can't then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► daisy chain another Thunderbolt device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► just thinks it's speaking USB it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► going to pass on no it's not you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► basically you're essentially you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► terminating it as a USB port but but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► could you could take you could take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► mouse and put it on that adapter if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► wanted yeah what you'd really need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► would be some kind of if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► really maximize this so how is there a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► limit of the number of devices that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► can have in a change it's something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► six or some scuzzy ish number is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► limit there's also a length limit it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► just like any other chaining protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► you've got a maximum cable length limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► for a copper and you've also got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► maximum number of devices but I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► six or seven including the host or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► something okay so if you went out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► and you bought a legitimate Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► device the Thunderbolt Drive let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► you plug that in then you get another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► Thunderbolt drive you plug that in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► of these are daisy chaining so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► means that each one of these devices is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► probably going to need to have two ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► on it one as the pass-through and one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► that which which a USB device typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► does not have but firewire devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► frequently do have I have a few drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► and have two ports for this reason right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► machine firewire is more like this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► master/slave firewire as independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► devices and that's why they can pass on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► the information and like firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► thunder Thunderbolt is full speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► pass-through so if you have some device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► that's in the middle of the chain it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► not doing anything it's not slowing down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► any other devices which is unlike USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► where if you put you know a slow speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► USB device on the same connector as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► high speed device in the same chain of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► wires it will slow stuff down right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► even if the device itself doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► the ability you know let's say you put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► hard drive on there and the hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► can only do you know it's it's a SATA 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► device that that's actually slower then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► the speed that Thunderbolt could could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► handle but that that is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► slow down right other devices on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► chain and realistically speaking there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► are very few hard consumer hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► that can even max out like a wimpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► firewire port or firewire 800 port you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► need like a raid or some other or an SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► or something to do that so and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► you know 10 times faster than that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► whatever it is right so it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► not going to be the devices are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► going to limit you and it's great that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► speed of the devices will just it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► leaves more overhead for everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► to to send their data but the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► these machines are transitional so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► they've just got one Thunder hole on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► there so if you've got this port you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► like well I gotta hook up my monitor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► that's it you're out if you're out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► sorry no more no more or you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► great Thunderbolt thing you thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► great well you just plug your monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► into it and the reason is only one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► them is like well we can't put seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► Thunderbolt ports in this machine when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► there is zero Thunderbolt devices to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► plug into it it would just look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► whole bunch of mini displayport it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► you can't even connect multiple monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► to it because well your monitors don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► have thunderbolt controllers in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► yeah you can't you know you can't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► two monitors on there right so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► bought one of these new Mac MacBook Pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► and you you plugged in your DisplayPort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► you know that they're a political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► happening it's just a minute DisplayPort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► so in order for you to actually use one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► of your existing monitors with alongside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► of another Thunderbolt device you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► have to then plug it into the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► Thunderbolt device or get some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► switch first some kind of switch or up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► I'm well interesting to see what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► products we have there but but yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► it's check an egg you know so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► that's why this is a transitional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► machine it's kind of the brilliance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► making it part of the mini displayport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► Thunderbolt fine pretend a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► lightning bolt icon isn't there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► architecture in terms of the ports that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► you have available to you they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► remove any reports you still got mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► DisplayPort pretend Thunderbolt doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► exist and just wait another generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► or two years or whatever until there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► lots of Thunderbolt hubs and switches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► this is going to I think it'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► smooth transition but it's also going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► be a little bit of a slow one in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► even if there are hundreds of devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► available the most thunderbolt ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► anyone has on an image Apple machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► right now is one and it's one port that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► already has contention for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► use external monitors so to just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► cap this off a little bit we're I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► predict anywhere that a machine already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► has a mini displayport it - given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► that's going to be a thunderbolt port so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► that doesn't that means all the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► machines as well and it I think the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► world article made it pretty clear why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► it was incredibly unlikely if if darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► near impossible that we should ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► expect well not ever but anytime in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► to see a thunderbolt port on anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► but max in other words not on iPads not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► on iPhones I don't think it's out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► realm of possibility on iPads I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► it's too big for an iPhone right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► think we'll see it on the iPad 2 being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► announced next week I don't think so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► put it a really low probability but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► there's no reason you couldn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► people have been asking for some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► port on the iPad I'll put a put a usb on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► it was plenty of room on the case for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► USB port to go this plenty room inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► that thing for you to find the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► place for these circuits and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► it's just a matter of what you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► that something that Apple wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► someday when Apple's transitioned most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► possibility you could see one on an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3358">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► not as your replacement for the dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► connector just because but just to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► Thunderbolt it's on everything and plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► them all in Plus Thunderbolt does carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► power like are actually carries a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► bit more power than firewire not that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► think you would want to charge your iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► over it but what we should well we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► see though our dock connectors that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► terminate as a thunderbolt port I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► predict pretty soon maybe III don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► how fast Apple wants to take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► transition this is a very cautious first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► step and with all these types of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► you really want it to go well and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► don't they'll sell in it and like for 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► bucks 15 bucks you couldn't buy one oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► it has to be 30 bucks and you can't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► out of that well start about spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► these thirty dollars you would be run a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► piece of clear plastic yeah right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► yeah it's anyone who could do it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► you know a Belkin could make one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► does that or something I think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► know if you can you just make it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► like USB right I'm not sure that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► bought one of those from Belkin and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3418">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► wasn't officially licensed from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► that it would continue to work with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► next line of of iPods but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► the dock connector replacement is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► up in the air maybe someday it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► a thunderbolt port with a smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► connector but right now even though many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► display board is small I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► pushing the limit of like I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► you could put that on the current iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► touch it would just be too big never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► mind that it wouldn't carry all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► other things that the 30-pin connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► carries with all the different you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► analog video and audio and higher power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► anything that I'll say about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► Thunderbolt Thunder I had some links in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► the show notes about security concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► about the fact that like firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► devices have full access to the machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► memory this is not really something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► but you'll see some stories about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► I think we have to move on to Lion at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► this point yeah I think we do so I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► leave the link in the show notes people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► can read it if they want but I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► brief summary is that uh I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► it's a big deal but it is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► Apple should think about okay for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► yeah let's spend a few minutes online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► can only talk about certain things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► already had that disclaimer yeah so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► I did was I just pulled the stuff out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► Apple's press release because that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► good starting point because prior to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► this development releases the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► developers have been able to download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► and install Lion anyone outside Apple as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► far as I know maybe Adobe and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► in earlier versions but probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► right um Apple did a preview back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► October of last year or something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► think where they had a guy up there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► features is what we've added full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► apps isn't a knight gestures to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► stuff around and he was showing the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► App Store and isn't this cool and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► gonna release this for for Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► and a couple other things and you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► had to read the tea leaves on that demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► you really had to like you know frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► advance through the video to see wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► second what's what's going on in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► dots underneath the running applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► not there anymore is that is that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► something they're trying to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► what's up with the scroll bars like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► just had to look at it and then and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► to figure out what they were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3538">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► same thing with spaces we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► that in a few different shows that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► keep mentioning spaces and how Mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► Control is combining all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► including space but they never demoed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► spaces so our space is even there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► and then we had another show where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► someone pointed out that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► not an apples website like if you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► their lion website it says you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► Mission Control combined spaces in blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► blah blah and then when the yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► when they did the revision of the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► site in this release then spaces got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► removed from the lion page I made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► right space is there in space not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► but then someone found another web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► and said so it's really helium reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► but the upshot of all of this was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► you really didn't know what lion was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► going to be is this going to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Snow Leopard where you get one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► little features and some a cap star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► stuff that we've already seen and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► stuff for laptop users but it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and then all the sudden comes this press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► release it's like here's the stuff we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► adding in in Lyon and it's tons of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► crazy internal stuff and big you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► and user features and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► definitely more and then I thought so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► let me just quickly rattle off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► things they listed here first they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► in a mail that looks more like the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► version I don't know why that was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► but whatever airdrop a remarkable way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► a remarkably simple way to copy files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► Wireless from one Mac to another with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► setup you're like is this some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► Dropbox competitor I can say that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► people said they have not had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► problem but I have a room with a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► Mac's and in here and I'm constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► annoyed by how difficult and annoying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► is to take a file from one Mac and send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► it to the other Mac that's five feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► away yeah it's like five steps to do I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► gonna do AFP and mount the thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► takes a million years to show up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► then it's slow to list the thing you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► to drag the file over it almost makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► you just want to have lot Dropbox on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► both machines and do everything Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► dropper tool and syncing yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► recognizing this need you know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► don't really know what airdrop is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► just this thing but that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► significant feature because people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► been asking for now you just drag it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► the person's name it'll show their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► picture yeah I saw that and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► actually something I can talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► because I literally did not try this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► online yet I forgot all about it while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► was using it last night so I have I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► nothing about airdrop other than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► I've seen on the websites but yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► people love Dropbox because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► shove stuff into it in sinks period gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► no weird errors no lag no spinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► beachballs nothing like that if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► significant feature versions which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► automatically saves successive versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► of your document anyone who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► anything about version control or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► software development is excited by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► because this is significant feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► you're gonna make this an OS level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► multiple versions their files and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► present a UI to the user in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► they understand you know developers know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► the values of version control but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► regular users don't and in that typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► Apple way like all they're gonna they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► going to make this easy for regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► people just like they did with Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► Machine where they had you know backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► that geeks knew how to do but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► wanted to make backup so the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► versions I said a significant feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► which you know you heard nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► conveniently brings your apps back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► exactly how you left them well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► kind of been in the air because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► how iOS apps look you know i OS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► were all the time where the guideline is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► when you someone hits that home button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► if they relaunch your app bring it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► to like like it was before so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► shouldn't know whether your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► was quit or whether it was just put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► the background and brought back forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► and now they're trying to bring out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► the Mac which I love because I love mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► applications that save state that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► think my maybe my second blog post ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► on ours when I started my ours blog many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► years ago which was after I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► writing there for a while but the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► applications at save state specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► web browsers where when you quit the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► browser and bring it back all your pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► that you previously had open or their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► you know the scroll positions are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► same that's what I wanted I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► everything to be the same just how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► left it you know down to like what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► anything like that now you have to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► have to point out to only apps that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► updated for line that will hi I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► talking about to say general in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► future like why is this is a convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► feature have like my favorite text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► has a command called sleep BB edit and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► actually have command Q mapped to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► command instead of quit I never quit BB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► it that way sleep it and sleep BB edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► is the thing that tells it take all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► current documents that you have open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► even if they're unsaved they've unsaved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► changes they're untitled documents empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► windows whatever they are just remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► all of them and then exit and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► you launch the program the next time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► restores all that all the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► exactly where they were in the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► same positions be exact same intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► with the eye same unsaved changes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► this is you know well before lion or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► anything this features from there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► love it it makes my life better so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► what Apple is trying to do is get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► and they're going to try to provide API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► is for it or whatever whatever way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► can make it so that you know it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► this more social pressure to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► because right now very few applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► do it BB edit does it a couple other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► ones so far even won't do it Safari has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► restore windows from previous session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► but it doesn't do it automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► unlike chrome does it and Firefox do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► automatically if you want them to so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► you start to hit that command to tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► to restore windows and that always bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► so I'm glad to see that but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► significant effort from the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► they're they're going to change the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► all Mac applications work through social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► pressure and providing an API autosave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► same thing that's the next feature they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► list iOS apps do it there's no explicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► save command people like that for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► various Mac applications have done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► one where the other apples going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► to move that forward by saying we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► going to give you some way to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► easier for your applications to autosave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► some more applications work like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► got to like the new file vault I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► like it should have been like 18 T or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► Verizon or whatever whatever company was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► renamed to become Verizon where the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► file vault now has so much negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► connotations and publicity that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► have been better for them to pick a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► name for this feature but it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► a completely new feature that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► reusing the brand they're doing full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► disk encryption which we should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► talked about as part of the vault to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► backup thing but we never got to I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► I want to add on on Twitter from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► source is saying that the 10.7 resume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► resume also works after a reboot yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► could talk about that but then I'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► breaking India that's what someone says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► on Twitter that's interesting isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► yeah um I don't I don't know if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► true or not so on file vault instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► just encrypting your home directory or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► encrypting a portion of your disk or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► making an encrypted disk image that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► mounted with your home directory and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► these sorts of weird things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► compromises that various applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► didn't work well with and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► apples on applications didn't work well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► with yeah I'm at trouble with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► everything they're just going to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► whole disk we're gonna crypt your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► transparent to applications so that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► the application it just looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► regular disk but deep deep down under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► the covers everything is encrypted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► it's nice to see that built in because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► as part of my job my I have to use whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► disk encryption at work now do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► would it if I don't know we never we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► haven't had this conversation yet which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► is one I definitely want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► your full disk encryption thing but do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► you think that one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► I've seen a lot in companies especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► ones that require something like full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► disk encryption they they want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► something that they know whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► PGP or something else at some vetted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► companies especially the kind that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► require that do you think they'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► open-minded and say sure we can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► apples it's it's as good as we think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► is or do you think it'll take a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► for the room to be able to adopt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► I'm not talking about you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► designer who sitting in a coffee shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► you know in case their laptop gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► stolen or whatever the independent IT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► consultant or whoever I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► like companies it's not going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► vetting so much because I'm sure they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► encryption standard that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► encryption standard so they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► if they're smart they use you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► industry standard ones that have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► proven mathematically over many years so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► but what's going to what's going to hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► Apple in this regard like this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► perhaps my company wouldn't let me use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► the full disk encryption it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► the existing products out there like PGP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► full disk encryption which is what I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► are cross-platform so they use PGP whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► component to it where you can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► revoke keys and get remote access and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► stuff or whatever from a centralized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► server with many different kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► clients Mac clients PC clients if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► use Apple's thing suddenly your PGP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► server or whatever can't has no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► what's going on over there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► there's no as far as I know there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► server component that works across Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► and PCs that you know handles the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► departments they love to have the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► component they love to have the to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► remotely access and control so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► think we'd you know PGP is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► out of business by this I just think for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► his PCP PGP is a little bit of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► enterprise product and I would imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► people only install it you know as part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► of their jobs this whole disk encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► thing is going to be easy enough I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► for people to use privately and since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► Apple is selling tons and tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► laptops and laptops get lost or stolen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► it's I think it's a good idea to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► easy for regular people without IT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► departments to decide I want my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► laptop encrypted and so if we get stolen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► or something I have I have a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► of extra protection and maybe they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► have some sort of remote way to revoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► the key are involved in it I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► read that somewhere in the PR that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► through mobile me or something just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► you can like locate your stolen iMac or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► whatever by its Wi-Fi address you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► also be able to remotely wipe it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► same way you can remotely wipe iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► via an enterprise type thing I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► imagine a webpage where if your laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► gets stolen you quickly log into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► mobile media then click some button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► it revokes all the keys on your you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► the next time your laptop comes online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► it revokes all the keys on it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► will thwart any you know amateur non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► hacker thief which steals your laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► because they're going to turn and plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► it in try to go to youtube and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► whole thing's getting wiped I don't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► says I write nothing and the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► wipe your Mac instantaneously right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► investigated that at all but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► that's what Apple is saying and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► final thing that lists is that they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► the mangoes ten Lions server is now part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4135">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► separate product I don't know what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► I it doesn't mean do you have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► extra for it or like you're saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► software comes in the disc and it's free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► we don't know anything about pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► like I can announce that but what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► it sounds like they're saying is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► and I mean again from if you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► they say line server is now part of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► OS 10 line it's easy to set up your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► as a server and take advantage of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► many services line has to offer okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► reading between the lines it sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► they're saying it's easy to set up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► Mac as a server the way they word that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► and you have to kind of tease out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► they mean here my guess is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► have discontinued Lion server like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► not a separate product you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► pay any more because look they killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► the Xserve yeah it makes perfect sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► in terms of them pulling back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► selling dedicated server products right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► again you know and this is not an NDA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► thing because we really don't know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► have no idea what pricing is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► like everything like that we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► pricing on what lines going to be but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► wouldn't be shocked if they decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► bundle it for free or for some nominal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► fee well here's here's what it says easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► setup line server guides you through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► configuring your Mac as a server it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► provides local and remote administration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► users and groups calendaring mail blob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► up all in one place I mean they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► make it seem like and I've set up Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► 10 server before and it was always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► a separate product a separate thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► was quite expensive the cheapest way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► could get it was actually to buy a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► Mini with server running and maybe is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► that is that going to be an option to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► you you know do you think will that be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► an option to to buy it installed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► way I think they're going way down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► aperture where it used to be I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► like $300 or something in aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► appeared in the Mac App Store was 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► bucks yeah Mac OS x server was already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► cheap because they didn't have a per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► traditional and server OS is to charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► for the number of people using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► unlimited client for like a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► bucks or something which seems expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► to an individual but the companies if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► you have a lot of clients that's way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► cheaper than having to pay per seat so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► think that it's going to keep going that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► direction make it cheaper and cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► will it be free will it be 50 bucks 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► bucks I don't know but it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► yeah I mean there might be 20 bucks more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► yeah so here's something that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► that it that it says on the page profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► manager delivers simple profile based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► setup and management for Mac OS 10 Lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► iPhone iPad and iPod touch devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► that's interesting huh file sharing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► iPad delivers Wireless file sharing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► iPad enable web enabling WebDAV inline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► server gives iPad users the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► access copy and share documents on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► server for applications such as keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► numbers and pages yeah I'm not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► sure where the gong with the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► thing it's clear they're going away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► sort of enterprise server but it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► like to get into the realm of like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► what is a personal server is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► something that people want or interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► in what does that look like because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► really the idea of a personal server is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► more of a key concept at this point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► if you were to ask individual what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► might do with such a thing or what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► even is they wouldn't really know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► think my ghost end server these features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► that they're now branding is Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► server are an in-between phase but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► there's a lot of stuff left over from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► the days when it was like your mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► server for your company and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► trying to move it more towards what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► could you do in like a small business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► what will smash business yeah even home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► and home it starts to get a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► weirder because I don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► they're even close to that that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► the show topic and in terms like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► a server for the iLife suite and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► like that they're not there yet maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► they'll go in that direction but clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► Mac what was formerly known as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► redefine itself in terms of the new age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► of Apple that's pulling away from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► type of enterprise stuff maybe it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► just wither and die and and the features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► that were part of server would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► become regular features of the OS maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► you'll leave stuff behind like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► family need a wiki server in their house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► maybe they do maybe they don't probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► not I'm not him maybe if it's a very big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► yeah so they can you know do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► collaboratively do their grocery lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► right instead of on Google Docs awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► transition but it's I think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► natural consequence of them pulling back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► the selling servers and everything um so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► I'm I'm the whole lion thing that list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► of features all of which I think every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► single one of those things we had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► heard or seen before that's significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► panicked for writing my review because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► I'm like man I kind of learned about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► these things and get up to speed on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► before summer comes and this thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► released so it looks like lion is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► going to be a wussy little release it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► not it's not an easy alike it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► more like 10.5 sighs yeah or more I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► it's and again it's visible just from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► just from these screenshots that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► been published on on the web both by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► Apple and other places there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► are plenty of user interface changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► that are some of which are not subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► they didn't even list that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► interesting thing um yeah their press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► release does it look at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► features blah blah blah blah blah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► didn't say oh and by the way everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► yeah it really moving screenshots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► especially longtime Mac users that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► first thing that jumps out is you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► see these features that listen the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► release you look at the screenshots you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► like say these look really different um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► you know looking again I'm on I'm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► Apple page here you can see the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► significantly smaller I you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► see that on most of most of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► screenshots you can also see that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► edges corners rather of all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► windows are rounded both tops and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► bottoms the scroll bars look different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► and another thing that's missing is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► little I don't know what you call it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► the little grabby ridges in the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► right-hand corner that that show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► where to grab and resize a window those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► are gone yeah the recess but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► this is the type of change where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► not just changing how things look they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► took features of the OS that people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► take for granite like scroll bar yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► they're going to met they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► mess with them yeah right like not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► just the look of the scroll bars but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► you look at them you know there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► screenshots where you're like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► should be something more to scroll there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► but there's no scroll bar is when we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► that in the video and the idea when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► using the Mac App Store and stuff there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► was no scroll bar visible in the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► Store unless he was scrolling and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► little scrollbar thing appeared on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► side right it's like and that's the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► that's exactly what I was going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► is it so much like iOS is that if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► you feel like there's content you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► kind of put your thumb on the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► move it and they there's the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► then and the scrollbar comes and goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► when you need it and that's what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► doing here Apple Insider has a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► gallery of leaked screenshots and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► think on what pages us on on page four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► they have a screenshot of the appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► preference pane it's a good thing when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► if you when you're looking at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► screenshots to realize this is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► developer release and even though Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► doesn't change significant stuff in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► course of the developer releases stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► like what radio buttons appear in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► particular you know preference pane or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► what options are available that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► changes all the time so I wouldn't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► too much stock in and what you see here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► and the arrangement of the controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► maybe some of these will go away some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► one will become things that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► you know run the default command to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► modify the plist manually for all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► of things are in flux but but they show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► in the screenshot on the appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► preference pane is there's a new section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► called show scroll bars which already is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► crazy because if you're thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► Mac leaving show scroll of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► showed the scroll how am I supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► scroll if you don't show the scroll bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► it's insanity to think since 1984 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► windows have had scroll bars on them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► yes you have to show them otherwise how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► can I scroll but now there's an option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► and the options are show scroll bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► automatically based on input device when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► scrolling or always now always seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► like the you know well yeah I want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► to show me the scroll bars always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► because it's a Mac right but when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► look at the other ones when scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► you think that must be what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► doing in that video right if demo in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► October because you only saw the scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► bars when when the guy demoing it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► scrolling and automatically based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► input device you can imagine as maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► mean I don't know like input devices it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► must be mouse or trackpad or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► and it makes a decision between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► other two settings based on whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► trackpad that type of change that type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► of you know sacred cows it's as if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► decided maybe we're not gonna have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► menu bar at the top of the screen which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► from everything I've seen in the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► press material is not the case but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► they're just taking stuff that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► the same literally since 1984 and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► it's on the table let's let's think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► about what we're going to do about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► um and that's scary and crazy um and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► experience I especially since it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► early phase you wonder are they gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► are they gonna like wimp out on some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► this stuff or they're just gonna double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► down and say look if you can't deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► it you know just ya figure it out I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► that they they've got a long way with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► this os terms of the brush metal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► then reunifying the interfacing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► doing all sorts of other stuff this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► the boldest move this appears you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► all this move in UI since the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► from from nine to ten so my take on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► is that you're not so happy with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► I save my opinions to review man and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► it's still early days you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► what they're gonna you can't you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► like downloaded developer preview or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► look at these screenshots and get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► pissy about like I can't believe this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► default is there some defaults the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► people that chattri mentioned that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► don't want to mention because I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► would be breaking NDA or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► this their settings the default settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► of a lot of these new options are not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► the liking of anyone's used to Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► before basically you know if you have if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► you have years and years of experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► moot using a Mac they have settings that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► are the opposite of what you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► expect and you can get all pissy and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► oh man if this thing comes out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► box with the setting or all you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► change the setting or what if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► remove the setting and I can't change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► back I'm going to go nuts you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► just got a chill out I've heard some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► Apple people actually asking saying if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► you're a developer and you're using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► OS feel free to file bugs even on things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► that just like the defaults are wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► right there like you don't wrap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► default or you don't like that ya file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► the bug on it that says you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► mind future X but I really wish you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► default would be a instead of B because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► it would make me feel better and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► the Apple developers are asked or Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► guys are asking for that just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► that's how they that's how they gather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► feedback yeah you don't see if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► whined about it on Twitter they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► know you got a you got to file a bug on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► it and express your opinion and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► knows how much that's going to go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► between now and summer so I don't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► too much stock and can we can we comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► about speed and performance is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► I think that would be in lesson I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► haven't read anything about it okay I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► not going to comment based on my use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► it I would imagine like the history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 is that the OS has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► faster on the same hardware with time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► just tighten the thing up make it faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► make it better because there was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► few user visible new features and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► obviously hardware gets faster but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► usually mac OS x is actually faster on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► the same hardware with a few bumps here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► and there like if you were to get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► give the 10.5 and you had time machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► turn on for the first time and you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► slow disk all of a sudden your disk is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► going to be tortured you're like man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► this feels ten times slower than then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► tiger did it's doing a lot more um when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► I feel slow if you turn Time Machine off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► it's the operation to still be faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► than Tiger can over can I comment if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► like it or not or is that under NDA you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► can yeah sure go for it I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► you know you just give vague opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► Steve I'll go so I don't use for a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► right uh not even I overall I here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► what I will say I really like it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► really like the visual I'm a big visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► user interface geek I mean I really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► about it and I can say that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► talking about things like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► scrolling and dots and other things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► that I'm talking about the overall look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► of the operating system the overall way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► that that things look which again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► can you can see a lot from apples and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► the leaked screenshots to I really am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► big fan of it I'm a minimalist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► they've definitely gone in that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► minimalist direction everything is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► of flatter and more grey and I'm a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► fan of this direction I'm not I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► sure that I'm a big fan of all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► changes that they made we'll have to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► keep y'all to keep trying it but going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► you know using that and then going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► and looking right here at my you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► my Snow Leopard screen on my laptop if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► it does feel like a step backwards you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► couldn't you couldn't say that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► obviously from Snow Leopard to Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► you couldn't really say it you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► this almost feels like going back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► 10.4 kind of days where where things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► really look different and act different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► work different and like there's little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► stripes and things all over everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► like this is that much of a step anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► you change the look so comprehensively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► it always makes the old one feel weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► the pinstripes is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► you know the pinstripes no one really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► noticed that much especially since it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► the pinstripes from classic Mac OS but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► when they drop the pinstripes and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► use the one without them for a while it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► seemed a little bit weird at first but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► then you went back to the pinstripe one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► you're like how did I look at this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► day it's just exactly any time you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► a significant change like that it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► that I'm going to reserve my paintings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► for look mostly because I want to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► it for the review and also because again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► at this point it's like a hodgepodge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► some applications have been updated some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► haven't they're tweaking the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► they're going to change stuff I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► wouldn't put too much stock in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► these controls look obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► overall look is going to be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► pretty much like what you said you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► at the screenshots you can see more gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► less color more minimal the rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► corners is interesting because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► remember in Snow Leopard maybe it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► leopard either in leopard and Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► Leopard they rounded the bottom corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► of pull down menus from the menu but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► yeah I noted that in one of the reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► and this is just like an extension of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► that like whoever likes those rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► corners oh and also in Snow Leopard in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► the stupid QuickTime Player that I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► with a passion they rounded the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► corners of the video and now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► doing out of windows now menus I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► mind because it's just a list of items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► but windows especially movie players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► like why don't I get to see those pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► that are in the corner what if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► something significant there right if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► it's a given its supposed to be a window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► to show my content you've just decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► that those three pixels on in each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► the bottom corners are not important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► enough for me to see so yeah just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► we're not even the show those be draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► anything there we won't see it mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► that's that bothers me just on principle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► and especially since it's such a subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► rounding it's such a tiny rounding so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► it's probably an option and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► can probably get rid of it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► but it just it bothers me that it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► there's a tiny tiny lack of respect for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► your content for the content of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► application apples pretty rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► corners and more important than those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► successful and 99% of time maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► principle not the practical concern that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► that bothers me about this well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► remember when all of Apple's screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► corners are rounded of course yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► was that that was on the screen but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► least the windows themselves you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► there wasn't any maximized but they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► always they've always liked those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► rounded corners they do run a car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► it they're perfect for buttons they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► great for menus for Windows like System [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► Preferences where you use a preference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► pane that's just the UI but like a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► player well yeah I agree I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► you that area the other thing I'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► the the quicktime player did they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► that big honkin controls floating over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► the movie that's Connor but you wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► like scrub through the movie you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► use the controller to scrub through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► movie unless you can try to figure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► the keyboard commands are and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► that but you can't see half the movie so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► say you're scrubbing through trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► look for a subtitle on a scene the hall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► controller is blocked you can move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► control out of the way and you just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► like kind of shove the stupid I wish I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► could yank it out of the window and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► put the controller not overlapping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► content and let me move it so I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► use the QuickTime Player 7 which is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► of ugly and dated but at least it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► rectangle for the enemy is the same for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► the same reason I use that takes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► of that I have no knowledge of this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► I bet you that thing's gonna be gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► from I just hope it still launches I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► keep it around whoa that's what I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► originally with a with snow leopard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► leopard or whatever version they I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► Snow Leopard is when they gave the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► video player I had the old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► around but eventually Apple decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► ship it and keep it working yeah I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► looking after after playing around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► Lion I was looking to see if there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► any current apps that Apple makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► have the rounded corners on Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► just looking around and saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► are there any apps out there that exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► right now with rounded corners and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► there's only there's only I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► couple iTunes is one of them and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► is iChat contact window both have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► rounded bottom corners most apps have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► rounded upper corners but so so one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► other thing I wanted to to point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► here and I don't know if we can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► about this you have to tell me can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► talk about how lion the lion developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► preview is obtained and installed can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► discuss that yeah cuz I've read it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► over websites every website that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► discussed this development preview has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► said that you know developers download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► it through the Mac apps through the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► App Store so as you log into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► developer account and it gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► redemption code and then you redeem this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► code in the Mac App Store the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► you would redeem any code and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► downloads it and and then gives you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► installer and you install it right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► and that's kind of that I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► really the first time that they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► something like this in the past it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► always a you know a URL that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► within the Mac developer webpage and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► redirects and give you a whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► some strange URLs and that was all there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► to prevent people from passing that URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► around to other people and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► downloading it as a file you know it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► definitely makes it easier I guess to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► district illegally distribute well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► thing about the the files is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► would do that redirects and for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► authentication linden and hopefully not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► guessable and would expire but those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► URLs at various times have been your FTP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► or HTTP both of which are resumable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► protocols and both of which you can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► from within your web browser assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► you're all off DUP but when there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► auth you could just double you get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► or something you got the URL you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► copy it out of the you know look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► where the last place is sent you was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► just W get that sucker whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► there was no auth when you do it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► Safari at the very least Safari would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► resume if it died halfway through as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► long as you re off against the URL there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► was all sorts of things you could do as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► someone whose computer savvy and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► develop or whatever to make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► you had a successful download and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► were very fast because their stuff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► on content distribution networks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► everything and the complaints I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► on Twitter and online from people trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► to do this for the Mac App Store is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► you don't have those tools we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► what's going on behind the scenes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► Mac App Store unless you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► Network traces and everything and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► of people got stuck they would try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► download it through the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► and it would stop halfway through due to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► some obscure error and they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► redemption code you can tree enter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► redemption code all you can do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► relaunch that Mac App Store yeah and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► Tilly click this button it would say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► it's right installed no it's not you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► only got half the file or it would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► you know downloading but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► actually downloading right what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► to me I got I got a message that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► the disc was full which which it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► but eventually I just I was able to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► it re download and reinstall and it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► and it gave the app it finally did work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► so it's an interesting you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► interesting new technique an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► either because this is a brand mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► store is brand new it's only been out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► for you know a little while now so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► is not surprising that there are bugs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► the Mac App Store app causing this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► just frustrating for developers to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► presumably eventually it'll be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► worked out and you know they'll want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► do some new way to download stuff oh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► can't you just do it through the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► Store that was so reliable and it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► right now you're bringing this anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► I joke and by the way the Installer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► still a three point six gig file in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► Applications folder yeah oh I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► know I didn't I guess I can be updating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► or than Angry Birds a little bit so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► a little bit asking a lot of the neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► out alright we bet we better wrap this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► up it's been 90 minutes yeah so we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► we will be back next week hopefully you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5378">TS</a>]
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01:29:42 ◼ ► your sore throat couldn't tell you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5382">TS</a>]
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01:30:08 ◼ ► be back next week at noon on Friday for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3ilg0/5408">TS</a>]