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00:00:13 ◼   ► the incontrovertible number 160 [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► September's 2013 automatically [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► uncomfortable and host Jason snail and [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► tonight we're gonna be talking about a [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► movie i guess this is the latest in our [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► series of kind of talking about classic [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► movies from movies from the past that we [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► think about fondly and this is the movie [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► where we take the red pill is that the [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► red pill that's the good still red pill [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► ok take a little blue pill now a little [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► blue pill and you just you go back in [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► the matrix which is what we're talking [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► about nineteen ninety nines epic sci-fi [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► movie The Matrix what we're not talking [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► about by the way except maybe obliquely [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► are the sequel's because i don't want to [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► bring it down [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► what's equal so what now their sequels [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► there we go that's the stuff that's [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► that's what i was looking for exactly [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► so let me and let me introduce the [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► people they find people who are here to [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► talk about the matrix with me tonight [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► we've got David lower David welcome back [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► again we can't get rid of you now you're [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► on every episode of the new dan Morin [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► I'm the new dan morn I'm I'm oranges the [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► new dan morning okay fair enough it's [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► good to have you here John Syracuse's [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► here as well hi John [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► hello Jason you mentioned that this is [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► going to be sure we talk about movies [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► for the past that they're classics and [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► that we love [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► I may be on the wrong well yeah I did I [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► say that they are loved or they're [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► generally loved I loved the matrix when [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► it came out but we can this is this will [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► be very interesting st let's also here [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► hi Steve would evening mr. Snell thank [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► you very good and we have we have a new [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► guest who has not been on before she is [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► one of the hosts of the very excellent [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► doctor who podcast Verity it's erica and [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► sign hi Erica I it's great to be here [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► thank you for being here [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► I appreciate it you saw the matrix lots [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► of times in the theater didn't you [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► I saw it nine times nine times mrs. [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► bueller exactly you know i saw i saw [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► only once in the theater but what I [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► remember is I was teaching a class at a [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► web web [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► design class back in the nineties that [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► was a thing we wanted was a web design [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► HTML to a bunch of grad students and i [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► remember one day all of the max screen [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► savers in the class we taught had been [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► converted to the matrix screensaver and [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► I was like what the heck is this [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► and then like four of them came up to me [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► and said oh man you gotta see the matrix [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► it's the best movie ever to blow your [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► mind [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► I was like all right okay and we went [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► inside and I like it a lot [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► this is the first time I've seen it in [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► in years though and I thought that was [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► that was pretty interesting i think i [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► think this movie is very influential and [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► sometimes we cover these movies and and [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► things that really blew your mind at the [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► time sometimes you look back on them [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► later and they don't seem as impressive [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► because everybody's copied them and once [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► you've seen it in a million beer ads in [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► the superbowl it's the bullet time is a [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► little less exciting but i still have a [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► lot of fun this with the matrix so we're [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► going to talk about it we all watched it [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► right we all watched it again [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► did we recently oh yeah we did alright [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► goodnight together but we all we all [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► watched it [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► well where to start does anybody have [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► any opening remarks i guess i should ask [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► before i met john does so for we get [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► into you better write how did you know [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► this is why i asked John often likes to [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► set the stage and tell us what could [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► paint a little picture of where we're [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► about to go the journey were about to [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► take ya there [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► I have a more casual ordinary Marx's two [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► things aside first is that enemy control [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► talk about this template but what are [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► experience was seeing with first time [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► and for me the memory of seeing matrix [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► for the first time is defined by me [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► knowing nothing about the movie like all [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► I knew was that it will blow your mind [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► and there was a screensaver the I didn't [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► even know that this is this is the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► before times kids when it was possible [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► to go into a movie not even knowing that [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► there was anything to no I cannot even [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► knowing that someone said it to me there [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► was a door that the and all the answer [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► was like what is the matrix so it don't [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► explain anything and i add nothing I i [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► think i saw the poster while walking you [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► know in into the theater in hand so [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► actually goes in he was in the movie I [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► knew absolutely nothing about it and [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► that I think is the ideal way to go into [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► a movie i think it's an experience it's [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► probably not possible unless you're very [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► young [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► listen to go into a movie like this at [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► the very least you're gonna know that [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► there's something about this movie [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► there's some sort of big revelation that [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► some kind of twist something and even [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► just knowing that if your mind works the [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► way mine does can ruin some of the [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► surprise so that's that was exciting [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► interesting and it and it really gave [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► that movie more punch and the second [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► thing is that for a long long time I [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► Harvard very bad feelings about the [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► matrix mostly because it was so lauded [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► by the the people you know in my sort of [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► circles and nerds everything is being [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► this amazing movie and everything and I [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► could not get over the ridiculousness of [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► the premise like that I expected so much [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► more of the movie 22 you know with it [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► wanted to do everything right and yet [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► the foundation of the movie made no [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► ok guys this is a setup Syracuse's here [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► to get us yeah and and that bothered me [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► now but what I can say is that when I [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► rewatched the movie not for this podcast [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► actually i rewatch it on my own like a [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► couple of weeks before you suggest three [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► watching it I had much better feelings [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► rewatching it like getting some distance [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► from my anger about that you know the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► backlash like all the everyone loves the [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► matrix and you know and I I didn't like [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► it because there was like and I I mean I [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► did like it i do had a good feeling [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► something now getting some distance and [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► being able to see it's sort of see it [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► again for the first time I felt better [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► about so that's what we'll talk about [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► today yeah well I mean and that's a good [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► thing that we should probably talk about [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► now I i mentioned that i had the grad [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► students say oh and blow your mind man [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► and Johns told his story [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► Erica we touched on the fact that you [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► saw a bunch of times I guess that means [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► you liked it [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► yeah i'm not that masochistic I saw the [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► first time and I didn't know I didn't [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► know anything that I had seen I think [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► one of the teaser ads where you saw [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► Morpheus jump and then no sounds whoa [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► and that was it but that's the key on [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► right as the whole movie you know [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► anything that's really all you need to [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► know but yeah and i think i think going [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► along with what John said that that was [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► one of the things that worked for me [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► that so much about the movie i loved [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► back in the day being able to go into a [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► theater not know anything and in this [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► this one not only did I not know [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► anything when I walked into the theater [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► I still didn't know very much about half [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► an hour into it and I thought that was [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► fantastic it was sort of a reverse [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► dramatic [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► irony like the characters knew what was [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► going on [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► most most of them but but I didn't and I [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► thought that was awesome [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► Steve what was your matrix experience [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► did you have some grad students come up [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► to you like I tried to keep my distance [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► from gravity smart they were playing [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► they're paying me to be close to them so [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► yeah it's there will be the only reason [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► in ya know I didn't get around to seeing [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► this until two thousand six as usual [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► because i was forced to for other [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► reasons that i actually wanted to see it [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► you missed the matrix entirely why did I [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► think I i think both of the horrible [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► they theorized horrible sequels that [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► don't actually exist [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► no not yet come out they had both come [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► out and I was already aware that I was [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► probably setting myself up for [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► disappointment might want to see all [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► trilogy so but i sat down and watched [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► knowing already basically that I [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► thatthat's there's a computer simulation [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and everybody lives in it [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► what I didn't know was the bit where [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► Keanu is actually pulled from the matrix [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► and emerges from his part of goo & and [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► that part i was very entertained by [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► because I i had not been properly [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► prepared for it so you know i watch the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► whole movie with pretty much my brain [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► turned off trying not to pay too much [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► attention to the mutterings of Morpheus [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► and really enjoyed it [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► this this time i watched it twice in the [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► run-up to this podcast and I thought a [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► little bit more about some of the things [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► that were being said and tried to [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► determine whether the plot actually made [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► any sense and enjoyed it slightly less [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► but yeah as a as a spectacle as it just [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► entertainment [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► it's a great movie I can't deny that if [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► you if you're willing to turn your brain [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► off and you're willing to overlook the [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► main actor then when it's a great film [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► whoa wait a second ok you want to [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► overlook the main actor [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► this is Point Break are the peak of his [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► career he has not sad yes now but we [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► talked about concluding last time these [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► are the rules that he was made for this [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► is Bill intent this bill intent and like [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► yeah Point Break like he is perfect in [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► his room key so perfect [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► every other roles he is terrible but [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► these girls is perfect is terrible and [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► everything it fits in bill and ted in [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► this he's a piece of wood and I I cannot [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► watch this movie without thinking how [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► much better with this movie be with [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► somebody who could act [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► oh no I think we ruin it yeah maybe i [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► don't know i think you need somebody [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► who's pretty much just blank lifer [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► well not tonight easiest place is [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► embarrassingly earnest is embarrassingly [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► earnest a movie that really if the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► production values with lower one [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► basically be a b-movie right but it's [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► not i assume that that they did some [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► work on the script knowing who their [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► lead actor was because it means the best [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► example being when the Oracle says he's [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► not too bright [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► he first signed the Oracle knows what [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► she's talking about [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► if you have a smarter seeming kind of [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► actor that character would have to be [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► different because that is one of the [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► beauties of this is that he kind of [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► bumbles along as like not really getting [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► it and not wanting to get it and just [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► being this dude who's got this you know [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► it is it's fulfilling this prophecy and [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► I you know I don't know whether that [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► character would work better if it had [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► been a more intelligent character [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► because they would have to change the [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► script to make it the dynamic a little [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► bit different i think because I think [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► that's why it works it is the forest [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► gump of this movie I don't think he has [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► to be more intelligent I just think he [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► has to be slightly less monotone and I [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► think there are ways to do [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► monotone and confused and and and being [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► a cipher without necessarily I mean with [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► with some character growth and with [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► Keanu his first line is what anything [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► means that draft tone and delivery for [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► the next hundred and twenty-nine minutes [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► and it just for me not my thing i'd like [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► to see somebody with a bit more range [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► he's not my favorite I mean there's [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► there's very little change in you know [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► at what the two hours and 10 minutes or [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► whatever it is 16 [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► yeah i mean i like i like I'm just [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► trying but yeah he's he's just serve on [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► that plane and and you know even when [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► he's changed when he's evolved and when [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► he you know he realizes that he could be [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► the one he still is [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► who's talking like this whoa and you [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► know he gets a little angrier you know a [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► little more like I am the one but it's [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► like okay to clear your throat that's [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► what he's like an action figure because [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► like that get together and the movie is [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that he expresses the change in his [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► character through his actions i think [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► that the most one of my favorite parts [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► of the movie one of the most important [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► parts and i watched it many times again [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► i don't think it was supposed to be as [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► important as I made it is you know the [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► movies like a like and understand the [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► world works and then he learns the truth [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► and then they're trying to give it to me [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► the one he's not sure he goes all this [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► stuff but the key point the movie i [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► think is when the helicopters going over [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► the edge right and this is the Rope [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► that's dangling out of the helicopter [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► it's going over the edge and it's kind [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► of slow motion and it's at a certain [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► point what he decides to do is [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► by the way spoilers for the matrix it's [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► been a 14 freaking years spoiling ok ok [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► the helicopters going over the edge of [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► the building kind of slow motion and and [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► that it everything is very slow and he [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► in decision-making processes head you [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► can see it going is he decides to pick [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► up the Rope is attached a helicopter [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► with the intention that he is going to [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► stop the helicopter from falling off the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► edge of the building which is it soon [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► you would never make in our in the real [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► world and that's the point when he [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► realizes hey wait a second i can grab [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► this rope and stop the helicopter want [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► the end because this is not the real [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► world this is some you don't think he's [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► just assuming that she's gonna tie [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► together into her and and jump off even [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► that wouldn't work in the real world [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► either because I'm they do if you watch [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► it again you'll see that they don't [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► linger on it but if you spend a little [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► bit of time because in no no real world [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► even in action movie that's preposterous [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► the only reason it works is because he [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► figures out finally [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► oh I can be an agent of my own you know [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► destiny in ways that have no bearing on [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► reality because I'm strapped in a chair [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► with the thanks of in the back of my [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► in fairness he does play the role very [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► much like a man who's had a metal spike [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► shift into the base circle like there's [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► no there's no dialogue in that scene he [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► doesn't think to himself he doesn't have [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► a voiceover he doesn't have a [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► conversation about it and all of his [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► transformation as the character is done [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► through his actions in deciding what to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► do with his big dorky looking body and [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► his funny little bouncy walk [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► that's very true most actors wouldn't be [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► brave enough to play a completely flat [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► face like that they would actually show [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► some kind of emotion or shows and [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► spatially varying unfailing fair to [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► Kyoto let's be honest this isn't really [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► a film about character development [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► really seriously the characters they're [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► all archetypes [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► I mean you've got the wise leader and [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► the clues hero the mysterious woman the [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► tech guy i mean this would make a really [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► good RPG party they don't even have real [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► names so it's not that kind of film so [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► I'm really okay with a wooden and I [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► completely agree that he's wooden and [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► doesn't really did not very much at all [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► I'm all right with that because it fits [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► in this kind of film their avatars I [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► mean they're literally avatar yes that's [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► what their did before we get into the [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► plot uh David you have any any matrix [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► story did you see it in the theater and [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► I did not see it but I bought it before [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► it came out on DVD i pre-ordered you [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► know I was like all right you have to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► get countable I watched it the night it [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► came out yet see what the grad students [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► are talking about exactly [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► well we don't have great students but we [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► have a lot of college student like whoa [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► yeah sir robin and except they don't pay [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► me so I don't go near them all our [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► listeners our grad students and we just [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► a little but yes we apologize the [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► granite with your answer the world all [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► right but yeah no I mean when it came [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► out you know all anyone knew about it [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► was a science fiction film by the [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► Wachowskis and you know and I had seen [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► bound right i thought well what kind of [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► science fiction film where they going to [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► do because i mean it came out of nowhere [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► right and so when I saw it and and again [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► part of the curiosity was just really [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► they're doing sci-fi yeah okay but I [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► mean bound is a good just you know solid [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► pulp thriller yeah with some nice hooks [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► so to speak and so when i'm with you i'm [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► watching the movie i'm going wow this is [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► this pretty good i like this you know [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► and it's got its got a little bit of [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► fake Philip dick but it's not Philip [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► dick and it's better than all of the [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► actual adaptations of Philip dick that [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► are anything like Philip dick so you [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► know I really like that you mentioned [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► you mentioned bound I i also saw bound [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► before I saw the matrix and the opening [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► of this movie is carrie-anne moss in [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► leather em in in the in what she in the [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► building in the heart is the heart of [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the city hotel with the city heart of [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► the city hotel [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► actually before that you get the cold [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► open where it's just voiceover right and [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► it turns out here it's joe pantoliano [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and the numbers are there and we go into [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► the matrix and you can hear that phone [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► call that's going on the back which I [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► only mentioned for the sake of symmetry [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► because they echo it again at the very [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► near the end of the film right right [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► first sign there in the matrix should [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► have been the phone number with the 555 [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► perfect that's that's the somebody [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► somebody on Twitter today was saying how [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► when you re watch it you realize how [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► much of how much of the plot involves [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► you know telephones and phone booths and [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► wired a flyer phones and they do have [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► cell phones but I said well this is why [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► the machines [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► headed in 1999's because they needed to [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► have phone boots i guess it a [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► coincidence that shortly after this film [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► came out public phone booth started [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► disappearing finals think so you think [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► so you think the machines they figured [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► they figured that so we see we see [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► Trinity in the heart of the city and and [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► i watch this with my wife and she said [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► that she quoted dialogue in my wife [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► likes lots of movies but she doesn't [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► generally quote sci-fi movie dialogue at [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► back at me I'm the one who tends to do [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► that in this relationship and and she [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► she turns to me as as we're watching it [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► and says lieutenant your men are already [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► dead which is such a wonderful thing [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► because there's the police that kind of [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► that police guy who says that my guys [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► can handle a little girl he is this just [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► complete awful obnoxious cop and and and [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► we meet agent smith and and he says your [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► men are already dead and then we see [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► Trinity dispatch all of these all of [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► these guys and and then we get that huge [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► chasing and it's it's a quite a [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► statement this movie makes right at the [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► top that this is not maybe the kind of [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► movie that you're expecting me at the [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► strong female character who is in this [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► action sequence and the chase and and [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► and does some pretty amazing things that [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► you like how is that possible right and [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► and then that leads off to her running [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► to a phone booth and car smashing into [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► it and it's like what did I just see but [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► it's a it really is a spectacular action [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► scene to start a movie and i love it oh [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► yeah no I I with the other night when I [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► rewatched and i watched it with my 11 [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► year old who you know again had no idea [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► what he was in for and and and he you [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► know he's already doing the thing where [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► he'll have a tablet or a d/s or [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► something while he's watching and and as [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► that's going on he's just looking over [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► the top of it and finally just turns it [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► off and put it down [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► yeah it's like that yeah okay okay [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► and the thing that really struck me [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► especially like looking at some of the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► lighting and the just the [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► framing of shots especially when she's [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► in the midst of the fight and and on the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► roof later I don't need all these things [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► is that this really is a comic book yeah [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► you know and it is it's maybe one of the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► best-looking you know most comic book [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► looking movies I've ever seen [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► yeah that scene is that's where i bought [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► in I mean yeah we can we can credit the [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► fact that I thought nine times in the [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► theater is very expensive summer for [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► movies come back two minutes came out [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► that you're too good grief see only so [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► that once [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► yeah I that nine times as well I'm that [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► geek so wait you earlier said you [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► weren't a masochist [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► haha we all did face at the time that we [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► might regret later Steve will just never [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► never all very excited about the Phantom [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► Menace when it came out [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► yes but I I thought it was really bold [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► to start the film with like you said [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► Jason a female character because that's [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► not something that actually that's not [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► something you still see in the movies [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► very often and I was just not only blown [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► away by the fact that it's it's a woman [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► thats its kicking ass but how much she [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► was kicking ass and i also have to [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► mention another little bit of symmetry [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► because that's the kind of stuff that [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► really gets me going when she lands at [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► the bottom of the stairs in this thing [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► you know get opportunity [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► get up that's echoed again at the end of [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► the movie which will get to write and i [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► love that moment to because we've seen [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► her at that moment when she's at the [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► bottom of the stairs laying on her back [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► with guns pointed up at the window [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► waiting for that agent to come through [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► this we've seen her do things that seem [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► super human and we definitely have seen [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► the agent do things that seem super [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► human they've left the police behind and [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► there's that moment where immediately [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► following this superhuman chase she's [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► laying at the bottom of the stairs and [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► she's vulnerable and she's scared and [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► she's waiting for that horrible monster [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► to come through the window and then she [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► has to kind of like talk yourself into [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► getting to the next thing and that's a [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► great combination to because we've just [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► seen her super part and now we see her [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► as you obviously she is vulnerable [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► there's something that that these super [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► people that we're watching are afraid of [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and i love that combination then she [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► runs you know runs down the street it's [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it's a indelible scene i love that scene [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► ok let's step out of the matrix brief [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► lean back into the real world so i can [TS]

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00:21:51 ◼   ► ok now everybody take the red pill one [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► of the many reasons that the geeks like [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► this movie as the reason that makes like [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► a lot of movies is that it doesn't it [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► assumes a level of intelligence and [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► being able to follow the plot that many [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► blockbuster action movies do not and so [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► the the opening of the movie where they [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► don't explain who is this person [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► why are these people chasing her why can [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► they do these things a lesser popcorn [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► action movie would have to set up all [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► those things before you see a dramatic [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► action scene at least explain to you [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► that the people are maybe if you don't [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► explain it because it's a it's a [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► franchise movie and everyone knows who [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► Batman is that you can have an opening [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► scene and people has accepted his batman [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► no explanation of who these people are [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► what's at stake why they're chasing each [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► other why they can do these things in [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► the premise of the movie or in the [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► advertising or anything because in them [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► in a movie like a good boy [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► the story unfolds and you learn things [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► but that is so counter to the way [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► blockbuster movies are done so any movie [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► that gives you any credit to be able to [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► follow plot and and revealing [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► information later that you know let's [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► look back in earlier scenes and explain [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► them get such a big thumbs-up from [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► nerves especially when its i5 it's like [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► finally you're not talking down to me as [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► badly as you usually are [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► and I I definitely felt that in this [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► opening scene because again going in [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► knowing nothing I knew these weren't [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► franchise characters it's not based on [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► you know anything that our life is it [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► was based on a comic book or property to [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► die [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► I hadn't heard of or anything and they [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► just went right into it here we are [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► they're fighting you did you learn later [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► why they're fighting and it will make [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► sense and sure enough you did and I like [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► yeah that's exactly the reverse dramatic [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► irony i was talking about it i like [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► movies like that because it makes me [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► feel like my time was worth something [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► yeah I've accomplished something it's [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► not like you know captain info dump at [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► the beginning of the movie telling me [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► everything I should know and and the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► thing that's that's really striking is [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► that you know because it's not based on [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► an existing thing because we don't know [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► who this is because it's not either of [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► the two big names who are advertised in [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► every piece of marketing it's not [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► laurence fishburne it's not Keanu Reeves [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► who is this [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► maybe the thing maybe the truck really [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► did kill her when it crashed into the [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► phone booth [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► you know we have no idea who this is and [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► suddenly we realize that any one of [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► these characters could die at any moment [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► and suddenly there are steaks where [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► james bond is not gonna die [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► why are these phones so important to [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► people in front of them even of the [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► truck is gonna smash and then you know [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► again spoiling later when Keanu dies and [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► you go wait a minute and then suddenly [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► he's not dead so they've even changed [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► that rule by the end of the movie [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► we're Keanu Reeves doesn't die at the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► end of again thanks for catching I'm [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► sorry to ruin a spin-out 414 not that [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► you know so that we cut me cut and we [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► get that we meet women Keanu Reeves and [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► he is this kind of shlumpy programmer [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► guy living in his little apartment and [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► there's a knock on the door and there's [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► some kind of there's a there's a really [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► douchey guy who wants to do was like a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► disc or something and talks about [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► mescaline that support more than most [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► embarrassing lines in the entire movie [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► it's the only way to fly his clothing [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► ginger who has the audacity to call [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► kiadó reefs whiter than you yeah i know [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► now and uh by the but the the girl who's [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► with him [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► she's got the white rabbit tattoo and [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► he's gotten his mysterious text glowing [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► green text message on his computer that [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► says to follow the white rabbit and so [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► we get what and what I really now I [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► think about it is this descent into the [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► mystery of the matrix but at the time [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► I'm thinking oh this is what the story [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► is going to be the first time this movie [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► unfolds it's like you know now I'm [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► understanding what I'm seeing is a [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► regular guy who you know it's almost [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► like what's the Martin Scorsese movie [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► after hours with griffin dunne right [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► where it's a regular guy who gets in the [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► series of ridiculous situations and goes [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► further and further into the underworld [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► and that's originally that's what I [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► thought is that what it is and now we [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► know it's really just him getting to the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► nightclub so that he can meet Trinity [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► right that establishes his character as [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► not the character that the geeks will [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► identify with the moment that he [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► credulous Lee believes that he doesn't [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► like an actual nerd would be like that's [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► an actual coincidence that my brain is [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► applying significance to it because it [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► seems like whoa that must mean like they [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► totally just said white rabbit and some [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► other way around no but he is credulous [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► and he is stupid and like these the [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► forest gump of the movie and so he goes [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► long as it's all right right out the [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► gate we know [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► ok I'm not identifying with me oh he [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► also goes out he's not a skeptical [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► marathon so I do like the needed a [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► super-secret sony mini discs in a [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► hollowed-out copy of simulacra and [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► simulation yeah open to the page on me [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► ilysm i love the sony minidisc thing by [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► the way that looks better and better as [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► time received like what kind of crazy [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► fuck is this that's the second layer of [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► this movie is that when you know I [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► showed it to my son as well the idea of [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► like nineties technology phone booths [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► that the nokia cell phone that snaps [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► open what has to be impressive like all [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► that kind of retro-futuristic it was [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► impressive that was super impressed when [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► honking phone to it makes a great sound [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► when it clicks as it and I'm very [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► excited that's what you want moving no [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► you're right it is I remember so this is [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► one of my references Jason always makes [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► on podcast it's not about the Micronauts [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► it's about Max Headroom but max headroom [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► the art direction is lots of weird [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► anachronistic stuff so there's like [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► there's like Studebakers that everybody [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► drives and stuff and I what I like about [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► it is it's like this bizarre combination [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► of things [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► the matrix watching it now i feel more [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► of that like when they're in the matrix [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► it's eight at the time it was there in [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► the present day and now it's like [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► they're in a simulation of 1999 and it [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► feels like it actually kind of works [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► that they've got the mini discs in the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► and the cell phones and all of that [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► well it here's the thing with [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► perspective so I'm watching it with my [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► son and you know neo gets the little bit [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► of the computer wakes up with the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► messages and he goes that's a [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► weird-looking I message it didn't [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► because it didn't you know of course the [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► computers going to talk to you [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► yeah i miss you know that's not a [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► computer that's less you're going to be [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► if it's just the hoop [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► here's a message from your friend [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► Morpheus ok so Neil goes to work he's [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► accused of cubical drone is specifically [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► a program writer for a respectable [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► software company whatever that is I i [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► left meets Trinity we should say that he [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► meets trinity at the at the club v [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► Trinity Jason and there's a nice scene [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► there where where he says I thought you [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► were a guy she says most guys do [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► yeah beauty is a couple of a couple of [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► good lines that movie still stand up [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► yeah but then he ends up in the cubicle [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► farm and we see his soul crushing job [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► with his soul crushing boss and so he [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► gets the FedExed cell phone and it [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► immediately rings and you're mad that [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► the serious thing in this movie is what [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► if somebody sent you a phone in the mail [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► when you open the box [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► well it could be they've been calling [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► every fire and it's a nokia was a hook [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► so we answered it and it's Morpheus and [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► and I really like that scene where [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► we're Morpheus tells me exactly what to [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► do like you can see every single thing [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► and knows the sequence of events and and [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► you know go now and the runs across and [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► it's very tense but it's also like how [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► is this possible how is this guy doing [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► this and he leads him to the window and [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► and he goes out on the ledge and then [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► you know again kind of going against [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► your expectations key hunters like now [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► forget it and then next next scene is [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► with the agents and his boss and it's [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► like right now I'm not going I'm not [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► gonna I'm not gonna follow this Morpheus [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► guy who is this guy [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► I don't have it at this point we still [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► have no idea what's at stake [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► why they're chasing him why he is [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► important in any way like because he [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► doesn't know and we don't know at what [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► why do people catch him what are they [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► gonna do when they catch him what [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► anything is this process you know the [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► criminals is he a criminal they're gonna [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► kill him are they part of his boss his [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► work is it a computer and we know [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► nothing which is great like you've got [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► so long into the movie without them [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► explaining it to you [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► I like that scene because you're right [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► we don't know anything but at that point [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► I no longer feel like I'm alone in not [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► knowing anything because that's when neo [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► really joins us as the audience in being [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► like WTF have no idea what's happening [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► right yeah this is the first place where [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► I kind of started having problems with [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► the movie having three watched it a few [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► times if the computers running this [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► whole simulation shouldn't hiding from [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the agents be basically impossible i [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► think the agents I think I mean [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► obviously the premise of the movie is [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► that the agents the agents are our [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► artificial intelligence that they work [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► within the make their loose within the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► system and that's that it Smith even [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► says later you know I i hate the smell [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and and that they're obviously clearly [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► getting some kind of information from [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► their little headsets right but the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► matrix did they like they have to play [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► by the rules [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► he's he's almost like a virus that's why [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► they have to have headsets yeah i think [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► that i think that's I mean otherwise [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► what's the point of the movie if there's [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► just and then a hand appeared out of the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► sky and picked up neo and crushed him [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► and the end right today after them their [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► day they can break the rules but they [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► still have to be in the world and play [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► bye-bye to some degree the physics of [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► the world and that's just the premise we [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► have to go through stiii psalm is sort [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► of sort of like a virus that you sort of [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► stick in there that's working as a free [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► agent [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► so to speak um right I you know who [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► knows how intentionally they put that in [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► there if they ever did sequels they [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► might have explained it but [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► yeah again sadly I mean someday [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► something deadly has everybody seen the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► the imagine sequels they don't know what [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► you're talking about yes i have i have [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► seen all the man i don't deny the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► existence as always although they are [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► terrible but I like they had they had [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► seeds of possible things [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► yeah they had they had an interesting [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► ideas it just completely portal and [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► actually argued that the first half of [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► the trilogy is good because i think the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► first half of the second movie is [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► actually pretty good and then it comes [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► to a screeching halt and never resumed I [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► think that good popcorn movies they're [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► just fun to watch not funded i can think [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► about the car chase in matrix reloaded [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► is amazing it's just that any architect [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► appears yeah yeah there's this great [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► action scenes buddy you have to you have [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► to figure out it like for the first [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► movie is a clear arc they will travel [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► through of like be you know a beginning [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► middle end we see you know we be the [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► beginning you don't know that you do [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► know it's revealed and there's a climax [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► and blah blah and I just didn't come up [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► with that for the next two movies they [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► just wanted to finish telling the story [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► but didn't figure out oh then we have [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► two more movies in each one of those [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► movies needs to be a satisfying [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► self-righting story that's pretty [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► continues the plot and they said now [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► we're not gonna do that [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► just working downloading happening in [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► those movies in terms of mythology and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► stuff instead of really more satisfying [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► stories in effect of the third movie [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► ends up being a giant like my neck [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► gunbattle kind of thing is sort of this [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► morning although although you could say [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► that about the end of this movie too and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► maybe well maybe we'll get there [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► although we're going through slowly [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► through it I they put a bug in him they [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► put up they put a bug in him and that he [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► wakes up and and and I feel like we're [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► still at the point in this movie where [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► there's a question about whether [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► anything truly fantastical is going on [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► we're sort of in that easy is the [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► imagining this what's the reason behind [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► this is is this the real world and i [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► feel like the moment where the moment [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► where he gets what it his mouth come [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► across somebody mouthful and they still [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► bugging and all of that it's like oh my [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► god what is happening now that's that [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► moment where it's just like the mouth [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► closed up you're like okay is this movie [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► this movie have magic something is or is [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► this or is this all like a drug trip or [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► hallucination because previously [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► everything had been [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► you know guns fighting but no no like [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► fantasy elements and then once his mouth [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► closed over like that like it's either a [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► horror movie your fantasy movie or the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► some sort of drug thing and it'syou by [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► saying okay now he wakes up [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► maybe he dreamed all that it seemed like [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► a dream sequence didn't it and you're [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► still not sure what's going on but now [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► you don't even know what genre the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► movies anymore yeah great [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► the first sign that things are not quite [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► right is for me the best thing in the [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► movie and that's the way that Hugo [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► Weaving talks he's amazing oh yeah [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► halting he's got that kind of weird half [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► accidenti his little paws here and there [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► it's like he's struggling to figure out [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► how humans talk [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► he's trying to wrap his programming [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► around and it's wonderfully done and it [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► really racks up the tension I think the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► thing i noticed for the first time [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► during the scene where they insert the [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► bug this time out there is this funky [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► little divot a little up into the left [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► of Keanu Reeves belly button [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► it's like a bonus navel it's really [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► weird i think the reason this guy talks [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► so where is he was grown in a lab yeah [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that's a stem that's where he was [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► plucked off both kiana tree it's just [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► odd i wasn't sure if it was some weird [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► pieces so I they just threw into confuse [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► me or what the deal is Steve yurikano [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► sort of horror movies so i'm sure there [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► have been lots of belly button related [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► horror things and passed movies but i [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► love when they extract the the bug that [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► big it's kind of like we're going to [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► stick its like the belly button is a God [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► stay away from the belly button but no [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► such a sensitive area it's a it's a [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► really effective [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► I know I know if it's really effective [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► but it's like blah [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► every time I just think it comes out and [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► it's sloshing around in that purplish [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► sludge yeah in the two in the two would [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► be more effective if his line was [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► delivered a little better Jesus Christ [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► things real see that's what I'm talking [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► about yeah yeah that's the sort of thing [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► where somebody other than kiana would [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► improve out the secret is not to give [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► him lines that's right he should just be [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► going huh [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► just a lot of that a lot of growing this [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► scene by the way this grossest and the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► the grossest and the horror of this [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► scene in this thing is excellent [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► it gets even better once you realize [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► that all that you know what's inside a [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► computer simulations like why does why [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► does it have to be that gross and [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► horrible it's like well again to some [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► degree you have to play by the rules of [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► the thing and the physical referent is [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► physical representation of you know [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► hacking or modifying the code of a [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► running system is so much better when [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► you abstract entirely from real code [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► because God forbid you try just throw [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► someone doing real hacking which they [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► did I think one of the sequel's or maybe [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► in this movie too and remember it's so [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► much better when you say no this is a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► metaphor for they put a bug on him and [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► we're going to extracted and the [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► metaphor is disgusting in terrible but [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► really what's going on is you're just [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► changing 10 is in a program and this is [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► just the manifestation of that right [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► that's like another seen that look at [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► that becomes more interesting and [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► retrospective when you first see it it's [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► just gross and weird when you realize it [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► was all fake it takes on a new meaning [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► and it becomes even more interesting i [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► think well and obviously one watching [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► this movie this time i noticed the again [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► this is probably why the graduate [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► students for telling me well blow your [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► mind man is when we know now goes to [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► Morpheus and they drive him to tim [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► burton's batman and Morpheus talk to my [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► notes I've got my notes in front of me [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► for that I took while I was watching [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► this and what i have written down is [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► more peace talks like a fortune cookie [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► yeah well said it's just it's hilarious [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► that and I think you know again I kind [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► of like it I like that he is a spouting [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► off like philosophical at like [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► everything he says will is made to blow [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► your mind that's what his job is to be [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► that guy who is going to say these [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► things and Laurence Fishburne says them [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► incredibly well and they're these crazy [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► things but what I noticed this time and [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► I mean I noticed the first time but what [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► I really noticed this time is is clearly [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► what the Wachowskis goal and message of [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► this movie is the underlying message is [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► that you know he mortgaged talks about [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► paying your tab you see it every time [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► you pay your taxes in the matrix is [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► society it blots individualism and free [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► will [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► the matrix is the system it is it is [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► society it is the world around us and of [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► course that's the moment where you're [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► like you guys are out there you think [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► you're not in the matrix but you are in [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► the matrix which is the message I mean [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► it's not necessarily the the most [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► shocking and deep of messages but that [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► that clearly is what they want you [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► thinking about this entire rest of the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► movie is you know are you in your own [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► personal matrix and Morpheus is your [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► guide to kind of like dress it up and [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► see [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► of some psychedelia but it really is [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► like you know when he says it's when you [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► pay your taxes it's like haha ok I get [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► what you're doing this is a [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► i-don't-know-what a and with the bugs [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► government agent bugs to is this a kind [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► of libertarian anarchist kind of that's [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► actually that's actually two prominent [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► mentions of paying taxes and like the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► first 20 minutes of the film [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► yeah and Smith mentioned that you know [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► and trinity famously hack the IRS [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► database right that's right well like [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► they do balance it off they are [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► self-aware enough to balance it because [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► Morpheus does talking a fortune cookie [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► spots all this crap but there are [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► characters they intentionally put in a [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► movie who are like that Morpheus guy is [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► nuts right like like even his crew [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► around him is like alright movies like [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► they they realize he talks like a [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► fortune cookie they realize how [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► ridiculous isn't so the skeptics in the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► movie like we're not supposed to take [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► him seriously obviously he takes himself [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► totals you seriously but the people [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► around him are like he's looking at more [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► of these guys a little bit off and you [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► know i may or may not believe all that [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► crazy craft that he's pouting and it's [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► amusing or whatever so he is balanced by [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► that and i think the movie is not like [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► they're clearly that's more visas role [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► but I don't think it's the filmmakers [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► position that you know hey man you're in [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► the matrix has you every time you pay [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► your taxes that's what that's a one [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► character in the movie says and other [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► characters think he's nuts and like they [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► just you know try to find the balance [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► between is Morpheus nuts are the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► skeptics right or what is the real [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► situation I appreciate that a lot of the [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► drive for Joey pants turning turncoat on [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► them is he just can't take more faces PS [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► exactly because like he is annoying is [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► pumping the pompous ass and he's he [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► wants a steak and he's tired of the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► fortune cookie didn't didn't realize [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► what he was signing up for joe [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► pantoliano Joey pants who's who is safer [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► and betrays everybody [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► yeah he wants a steak and he didn't [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► realize what he was signing up for [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► speaking of Morpheus originally [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► originally val kilmer was supposed to [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► play that part of the better they wanted [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► every time I want right now I constantly [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► like I'm picturing val kilmer and you [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► know what I think that he could I think [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► you can have a pretty well I saw the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► doors he could totally do it but unlike [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► Laurence Fishburne he doesn't have the [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► texture of a fortune cookie so it [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► doesn't work as well the what else what [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► else we also so they he takes the red [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► pill right [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► thank you to take the blue pill you go [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► back and we've got all our all our hole [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► Alice in Wonderland returns here and the [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► next scene again reason a really [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► memorable scene and John mentioned [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► earlier is my notes say Nia wakes up in [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► his googoo coffin he is covered in goo [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► and he's bald and I mean I don't know [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► whether they shot this out of sequence [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► so he could seem like emaciated but he [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► seems so messed up in these scenes that [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► it's actually really great aesthetics or [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► something on his chest yeah he was here [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► yesterday [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► yeah he has to look different and like [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► yeah this this was the point of the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► movie like right up to the pill point [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► he's spouting all this crap like what [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► the hell is he talking about because it [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► sounded like just terrible BS or never [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► as soon as they showed him in the goo [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► I think pretty much every side finer is [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► like 600 everything every single piece [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► falls into place you don't need to see [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► the end of the GU seen as soon as you [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► see a bald guy with tools like all right [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► now I understand the whole movie and [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► like at that point the acceleration of [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► saying I understand everything that has [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► come before and I know exactly where [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► this movie is going now go like that [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► that was an exhilarating turn of events [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► whereas I think nan sci-fi nerds at that [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► point in the movie have not had enough [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► explanation at all because that fortune [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► cookie crap makes no sense to know [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► what's going on and like some of them [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► make it through the whole rest of the [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► movie like you know i'm looking up [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► throwing my parents on the bus but it [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► holds the whole rest of the movie [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► without understanding the promise and [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► other people have to wait for the you [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► know the explanation later and see more [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► of it for it to sink in so everyone has [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► something you put them on like a bell [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► curve like how long after you see read [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► good you do you understand what is going [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► on in the matrix and that could go out [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► to infinity on the right side versus [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► when they're in the matrix where they [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► park their spaceship exactly like their [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► that problem does exist [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► yeah I I suppose he does he does move [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► pretty good for a guy who's never used [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► his muscles before though I to say well [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► you know they keep they have to keep [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► them a certain strength yes and this is [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► also the point where my little nerd [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► brain started going and I started to [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► turn against the movies because the [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► whole time now i will briefly give Mike [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► complain about the promises like if you [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► are a computer you know artificial [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► intelligence that wants to rule the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► the worst thing for you to do is to keep [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► your only potential rival for the planet [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► alive in any [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► a possible way for any reason that is [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► the worst decision you could ever make [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► it and in the movie you can see in the [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► comic book that explained it in the [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► animatrix winner in the movie there is [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► no explanation why a super intelligent [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► machine would keep humans around any [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► capacity of them to create dramatic [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► tension even if even if living things [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► were were batteries which there now I'm [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► not even i'm not even getting why not [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► how's that why not a long one is the [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► collective geothermal heat like [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► elephants the worst thing you can do is [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► keep humans around and like I'm not even [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► getting into like is it about good to [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► get energy from living things like not [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► even discussing that just saying like [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the worst thing you can do is keep [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► humans around get rid of the humans job [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► 0 this is the skynet AI version of the [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► villain not killing James Bond before he [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► tells a mysterious guy that had the [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► right idea what its kind want to do kill [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► every 10 minutes longer be simple and [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► what is the point again if of having to [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► feed the battery people this dream world [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► and are going to control it just goes [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► down it'll go to pot yeah it just goes [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► downhill from there once you once you've [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► got that premise giving a false sense [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► anything follow later like are gonna [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► take the science out i actually like i [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► like i like to believe and this is again [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► going outside of the scope of the movie [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► but I like to believe that what's really [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► going on here is that the machines know [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► that they lack creativity and they know [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► that they that they need humans but they [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► want to subjugate them and that the [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► matrix exists to get that you know get [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► the human element and get that get the [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► creativity and the things the machines [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► lack and and siphon it off in in this [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► controlled environment i like to believe [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► that that is what's going on there but [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► it's never said in the movie it's more [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► just like we give this thing for you to [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► play around in while we use you as a [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► battery and that that's a nice statement [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► of like human life has been reduced to [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► being a Duracell battery there's a [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► product placement by the way the problem [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► is that they try to explain a lot [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► they explained just enough that you feel [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► like okay well he's thought about some [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► of this but then they stopped when i [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► levitate they can't get past the purpose [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► of keeping humans around believe in the [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► comic book they tried to sidestep that [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► by saying that the brainpower of the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► humans was being you know used as a [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► computational aid to like to give them [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► more computing power because they [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► couldn't you know the hardware wasn't [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► sufficiently need to use organic brains [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► to help them [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► computer and that's why they needed [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► these human brains that doesn't really [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► hold up either like my favorite take on [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► this is and probably we could talk about [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► this more at the end why these two [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► things about this equals the animatrix [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► animated movies which are prequels to [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► yes they are i like them better [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► yeah because I like anime i like them [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► better than the first matrix movie and [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► and they're shorter well so that's [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► exactly is right up my alley is so it's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► not surprising that i like that because [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► in those movies explains how this AI [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► comes to be and that AI really wants to [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► kill the humans and then it kind of [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► towards the end you know it's going to [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► lead offer to this premise where you [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► keep humans around for some reason but [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► you can pretend that doesn't ever [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► actually happen so i recommend everyone [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► to watch those that can find I just [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► think I would've been even better if [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► they had said even less about why the [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► humans were being kept around and just [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► left a complete mystery [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► we don't understand the ways of the [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► machines [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► well yeah especially if if the agents [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► aren't really the machines they're just [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the security agents running in the [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► matrix then yeah it would be better if [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► it was really just like we don't even [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► understand why they do what they do [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► because it's a terrible decision its [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► ability i assumed it was like the the [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► dream state and the creativity of you [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► know it's one thing to be in a coma but [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► it's another thing to be actively living [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► in creating and dreaming in that dream [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► state and that that was what really [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► charged up the batteries as it were that [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► you know it wasn't enough for them to [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► just be living breathing pumping blood [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► they had to be creative to I don't think [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► that about this is into the it's not [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► it's not the magic of the magic of [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► emotion and thought that somehow there's [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► this extra physical world in which our [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► emotions that are you know are harnessed [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► into energies that are beyond the powers [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► of machines and blah blah blah but just [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► fine if you're going to do a superhero [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► movie with telekinetic stuff or whatever [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► but if you're going to a sci-fi movie [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► not so great right side of film with [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► great spectacle is that you're willing [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► to say alright well i'm enjoying the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► what's going on here enough that i'm [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► just going to stop thinking at this [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► point about the major plot holes and the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► things that they aren't explaining and [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► I'm just gonna go i do that when the [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► battery thing comes up on my computer [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► but ok yeah yeah [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► something that I'm willing to do with [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► the matrix because the film is so well [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► done in other ways [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► okay uh let's see what else we got here [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► I i wanted to mention the the prophecy [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► stuff i'm not a big fan of the youthful [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► prophecy thing although i do I think [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► they do some very nice things with it in [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► this in this movie especially that [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► moment in the plot where joe pantoliano [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► is basically about to pull the plug on [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► me oh and and there's that whole [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► questions like well this can't be [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► because we know that he's the prophecy [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► guy and they're gonna prove him wrong [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► here and so they they they push that to [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the limit [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► I'd even though the actual prophecy [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► doesn't really make a whole sense [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► because they say that like there was a [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► great prophet early on and waiting for [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► him to return which is you know it's a [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► very very you know Christian image you [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► know and so is neo of reincarnation of [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► somebody or is he you know it's not [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► explain but it just seems it seems to me [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► like it's sort of slapped in there like [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► we need something kind of mystical but [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► will you know i'll explain later [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► it is what i liked it because the the [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► prophecy and the first of the Oracle [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► actress is great but like I liked it [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► because like Morpheus is crap you're [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► like come on now is expected to believe [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► this crap like it's unreliable no it's [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► not accepted at face value and in many [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► points in the mood like they don't tell [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► you this is the prophecy is totally [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► between the whole time you like this [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► sounds like crap and other characters [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► like yeah it does kind of sound like [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► crap and then things happen that seems [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► to counteract the prophecy like see that [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► property stuff was crap like they kind [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► of I want to have the cake and eat it [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► too making you disbelieve the Prophet [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► just like neo doesn't and you believe it [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► and even when it all comes to fruition [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► you're like what was that the prophecy [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► or was that just what happened but I [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► like that it's like they you know they [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► don't provide you with the prophecy [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► expect you to swallow it whole they [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► expect fully that you're going to hear [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► this prophecy will sound like bogus crap [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► and they got wonderful singing in the [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► kitchen plays off of that I think [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► deliciously requiring again counties to [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► do nothing except look like an idiot the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► whole time which is great [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► while that actress you know what's [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► really going to crumble your cookie [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► later or whatever you know that that'll [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► take your noodle bake your noodle and [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► take your needle like it could get much [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► more baked but they were actually they [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► were sort of threading that throughout [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► the film and i like that they sort of [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► walked a fine line and said that you [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► don't necessarily need [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► to believe this but even at the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► beginning the you know the turkey guy at [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► the beginning says you're my own [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► personal Jesus Christ and then you got [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► him you know flying away at the end he [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► he he's definitely some sort of you know [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► he dies christ-like superhero figure [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► rises again at least his name isn't like [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► John John John Carroll or something like [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► that it's like oh cincinnati another [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► joke anti in here is like the I believe [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► it's the end of the harbor Lord of the [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► Rings somewhere in the chair will tell [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► you where again all says to guess the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► propagandist of the billboards sure you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► don't disbelieve the prophecies just [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► because you had a part in bringing them [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► about again I'll speak thing is like [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► hopping out bubbles like them i did all [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► this stuff look what I did is like what [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► doesn't mean the prophecy wasn't true [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► just because you helped bring it about [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► you know you are two of the prophecy [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► versus being your own free agent again [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► often the Oracle would have some [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► disagreements about prophecy [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► well I mean that that's one of the [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► things that really tickled me the first [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► time i watch tattoo is again just seeing [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► all the little religious allegories and [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► little things they stuck in there and [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► not from any one particular religion [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► it's all over the place and and not [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► taken too seriously like the whole [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► oracle seen idea like actually is great [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► because more pieces so serious about it [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► and she totally the Oracle totally [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► diffuses it like this now yeah that's [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► not a serious with a cookie [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► have a cookie or not to parade have a [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► cook and just the fact that she [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► completely completely sober during your [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► expectations as being you know [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► oh my gosh we're going to see the Oracle [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► the Oracle the Oracle it's so exciting [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► and then you get there and she's just [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► this this cute little lady whose baking [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► cookies in a very nondescript department [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► and she lives in the in the brady bunch [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► of kitchen [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► mmm yeah and and she and she also [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► completely count contradicts Morpheus [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► right she's like now [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► sorry kid you're not the one which is [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► like oh what a relief Keanu is not the [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► one and they had like what did she tell [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► Morpheus she never actually said that [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► though it can I don't know exactly what [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► she said she never she just says kind of [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► like looks like you're waiting for [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► something yeah disappointment [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► yeah yeah I know it's great in and [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► that's so i can talk about like oh you [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► know there was a person before and all [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► that but I feel like that's the setup [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► right it's like we're supposed to buy [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► into Morpheus is create a super excited [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► it's like i finally this is my thing i [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► find the 1i finally found its really [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► awesome and then you go there and it's [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► like man don't get too excited about it [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► and then Morpheus doesn't want to hear [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► what he does [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► to hear about it like that don't tell me [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► what she told you know he's not a [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► resident I know it's awesome but you [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► can't tell me but it's super awesome [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► although I I again I have a note down [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► here is like is that who is the Oracle [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► issue program or something but i think [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► that's what the sequel's talk about and [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► it's it's sort of but i like i like that [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► anyway they leave the Oracle and we get [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► the we get the black cat who's the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► glitch in the matrix which is every now [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► and then I see a black cat out in the [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► street and I'm like is that it is [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► glitching major Mason taboo makes me [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► paranoid [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► it's like when I pay my taxes i know [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► that never happens I don't think about [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► the matrix when I pay my taxes we [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► skipped over there is no spoon which you [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► know has become like a catchphrase [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► although at the time I was like yeah [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► there's weird kids with a with a spoon [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► because the whole training sequence and [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► stuff to that goes on before that oh [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► yeah i should say i know kung foo way I [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► sorry I skipped right over that which is [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► the instant the instant learning of my [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► favorites and great seemingly yeah the [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► whole interesting concept and the end [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► there in the white room and they're [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► doing their they're training and that's [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► that's you really like your virtual [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► reality movie and this is that I think I [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► looked it up i think crashing height [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► tiger hidden dragon came up and the [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► following year in 2000's so I think this [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► is the first movie I really saw with [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► extensive wirework and this style of [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► fighting as somebody who didn't see a [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► lot of Hong Kong action movies or [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► anything like that it's a very it's it's [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► the same choreographer [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► yeah so we've seen it we've seen it [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► sense but at the time I was like whoa [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► this is not like anything I think me and [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► a lot of Western audiences never seen in [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► terms of fighting but not just the [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► action like they did the genre of like [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► the the kungfu movie you'd see like in [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► the afternoon of saturday mornings when [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► we were kids you know your ground with [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► the wirework makes it more impressive [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► but the basic premise of like Oh your [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► master and student being taught stop [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► trying to hit me and hit me like that [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► fits in any concrete movie I watched her [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► grow the karate don't need you don't [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► need virtual reality you don't need wire [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► foods just like and that's the great [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► thing about these movies with virtual [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► realities within them [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► you can have as many small jar movies as [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► you want it's not the hallowed XO [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► they're not going to be like detectives [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► in the forties but like they could be I [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► wanted so right in the middle of this [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► movie they had a tiny masters student [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► training sequence in which the student [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► has to believe it fails and he tries to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► do the jump and that's that just tickles [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► me that you can you can just mix another [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► genres that movie and they would go on [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► to movies later to squander that Prime [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► despite not using it again that's kind [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► of the genius of the film that that they [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► can really do whatever it is that they [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► want because they're in the matrix so [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► they can they can massage in any way I [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► have to say I don't like action [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► sequences that's one of the things that [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► I'm kind of well known for amongst my [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► friends I think they're boring i can't [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► stand fight scenes and gunfights and car [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► chases and all that kind of stuff but I [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► love almost every single action sequence [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► in this film and I was thinking about it [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► today and I think I realized why it's [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► because i don't like action movies [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► well I like action sequences but i do [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► like dance movies whether it be from [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► like Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers back [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► in the forties or something obnoxious [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► you know with you know stupid got served [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► to the west side story must be your [TS]