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00:00:13   the incontrovertible number 160 [TS]

00:00:19   September's 2013 automatically [TS]

00:00:24   uncomfortable and host Jason snail and [TS]

00:00:25   tonight we're gonna be talking about a [TS]

00:00:27   movie i guess this is the latest in our [TS]

00:00:28   series of kind of talking about classic [TS]

00:00:31   movies from movies from the past that we [TS]

00:00:34   think about fondly and this is the movie [TS]

00:00:37   where we take the red pill is that the [TS]

00:00:39   red pill that's the good still red pill [TS]

00:00:41   ok take a little blue pill now a little [TS]

00:00:43   blue pill and you just you go back in [TS]

00:00:45   the matrix which is what we're talking [TS]

00:00:46   about nineteen ninety nines epic sci-fi [TS]

00:00:49   movie The Matrix what we're not talking [TS]

00:00:51   about by the way except maybe obliquely [TS]

00:00:52   are the sequel's because i don't want to [TS]

00:00:54   bring it down [TS]

00:00:55   what's equal so what now their sequels [TS]

00:00:57   there we go that's the stuff that's [TS]

00:01:00   that's what i was looking for exactly [TS]

00:01:02   so let me and let me introduce the [TS]

00:01:04   people they find people who are here to [TS]

00:01:06   talk about the matrix with me tonight [TS]

00:01:07   we've got David lower David welcome back [TS]

00:01:10   again we can't get rid of you now you're [TS]

00:01:12   on every episode of the new dan Morin [TS]

00:01:13   I'm the new dan morn I'm I'm oranges the [TS]

00:01:17   new dan morning okay fair enough it's [TS]

00:01:19   good to have you here John Syracuse's [TS]

00:01:21   here as well hi John [TS]

00:01:22   hello Jason you mentioned that this is [TS]

00:01:24   going to be sure we talk about movies [TS]

00:01:25   for the past that they're classics and [TS]

00:01:27   that we love [TS]

00:01:27   I may be on the wrong well yeah I did I [TS]

00:01:31   say that they are loved or they're [TS]

00:01:32   generally loved I loved the matrix when [TS]

00:01:34   it came out but we can this is this will [TS]

00:01:36   be very interesting st let's also here [TS]

00:01:38   hi Steve would evening mr. Snell thank [TS]

00:01:42   you very good and we have we have a new [TS]

00:01:45   guest who has not been on before she is [TS]

00:01:48   one of the hosts of the very excellent [TS]

00:01:49   doctor who podcast Verity it's erica and [TS]

00:01:53   sign hi Erica I it's great to be here [TS]

00:01:55   thank you for being here [TS]

00:01:57   I appreciate it you saw the matrix lots [TS]

00:01:59   of times in the theater didn't you [TS]

00:02:00   I saw it nine times nine times mrs. [TS]

00:02:04   bueller exactly you know i saw i saw [TS]

00:02:07   only once in the theater but what I [TS]

00:02:09   remember is I was teaching a class at a [TS]

00:02:11   web web [TS]

00:02:12   design class back in the nineties that [TS]

00:02:14   was a thing we wanted was a web design [TS]

00:02:16   HTML to a bunch of grad students and i [TS]

00:02:21   remember one day all of the max screen [TS]

00:02:24   savers in the class we taught had been [TS]

00:02:26   converted to the matrix screensaver and [TS]

00:02:29   I was like what the heck is this [TS]

00:02:30   and then like four of them came up to me [TS]

00:02:32   and said oh man you gotta see the matrix [TS]

00:02:34   it's the best movie ever to blow your [TS]

00:02:35   mind [TS]

00:02:37   I was like all right okay and we went [TS]

00:02:39   inside and I like it a lot [TS]

00:02:41   this is the first time I've seen it in [TS]

00:02:43   in years though and I thought that was [TS]

00:02:44   that was pretty interesting i think i [TS]

00:02:46   think this movie is very influential and [TS]

00:02:48   sometimes we cover these movies and and [TS]

00:02:52   things that really blew your mind at the [TS]

00:02:54   time sometimes you look back on them [TS]

00:02:55   later and they don't seem as impressive [TS]

00:02:56   because everybody's copied them and once [TS]

00:02:58   you've seen it in a million beer ads in [TS]

00:03:01   the superbowl it's the bullet time is a [TS]

00:03:04   little less exciting but i still have a [TS]

00:03:06   lot of fun this with the matrix so we're [TS]

00:03:08   going to talk about it we all watched it [TS]

00:03:10   right we all watched it again [TS]

00:03:11   did we recently oh yeah we did alright [TS]

00:03:14   goodnight together but we all we all [TS]

00:03:16   watched it [TS]

00:03:17   well where to start does anybody have [TS]

00:03:20   any opening remarks i guess i should ask [TS]

00:03:22   before i met john does so for we get [TS]

00:03:24   into you better write how did you know [TS]

00:03:27   this is why i asked John often likes to [TS]

00:03:29   set the stage and tell us what could [TS]

00:03:32   paint a little picture of where we're [TS]

00:03:34   about to go the journey were about to [TS]

00:03:35   take ya there [TS]

00:03:37   I have a more casual ordinary Marx's two [TS]

00:03:40   things aside first is that enemy control [TS]

00:03:42   talk about this template but what are [TS]

00:03:44   experience was seeing with first time [TS]

00:03:45   and for me the memory of seeing matrix [TS]

00:03:47   for the first time is defined by me [TS]

00:03:49   knowing nothing about the movie like all [TS]

00:03:52   I knew was that it will blow your mind [TS]

00:03:53   and there was a screensaver the I didn't [TS]

00:03:55   even know that this is this is the [TS]

00:03:56   before times kids when it was possible [TS]

00:03:59   to go into a movie not even knowing that [TS]

00:04:01   there was anything to no I cannot even [TS]

00:04:03   knowing that someone said it to me there [TS]

00:04:05   was a door that the and all the answer [TS]

00:04:07   was like what is the matrix so it don't [TS]

00:04:09   explain anything and i add nothing I i [TS]

00:04:11   think i saw the poster while walking you [TS]

00:04:14   know in into the theater in hand so [TS]

00:04:16   actually goes in he was in the movie I [TS]

00:04:18   knew absolutely nothing about it and [TS]

00:04:20   that I think is the ideal way to go into [TS]

00:04:22   a movie i think it's an experience it's [TS]

00:04:23   probably not possible unless you're very [TS]

00:04:25   young [TS]

00:04:26   listen to go into a movie like this at [TS]

00:04:29   the very least you're gonna know that [TS]

00:04:30   there's something about this movie [TS]

00:04:32   there's some sort of big revelation that [TS]

00:04:33   some kind of twist something and even [TS]

00:04:35   just knowing that if your mind works the [TS]

00:04:37   way mine does can ruin some of the [TS]

00:04:39   surprise so that's that was exciting [TS]

00:04:41   interesting and it and it really gave [TS]

00:04:43   that movie more punch and the second [TS]

00:04:44   thing is that for a long long time I [TS]

00:04:47   Harvard very bad feelings about the [TS]

00:04:49   matrix mostly because it was so lauded [TS]

00:04:54   by the the people you know in my sort of [TS]

00:04:57   circles and nerds everything is being [TS]

00:04:58   this amazing movie and everything and I [TS]

00:05:01   could not get over the ridiculousness of [TS]

00:05:04   the premise like that I expected so much [TS]

00:05:06   more of the movie 22 you know with it [TS]

00:05:09   wanted to do everything right and yet [TS]

00:05:11   the foundation of the movie made no [TS]

00:05:13   sense [TS]

00:05:14   ok guys this is a setup Syracuse's here [TS]

00:05:15   to get us yeah and and that bothered me [TS]

00:05:17   now but what I can say is that when I [TS]

00:05:19   rewatched the movie not for this podcast [TS]

00:05:21   actually i rewatch it on my own like a [TS]

00:05:24   couple of weeks before you suggest three [TS]

00:05:25   watching it I had much better feelings [TS]

00:05:28   about it [TS]

00:05:29   rewatching it like getting some distance [TS]

00:05:31   from my anger about that you know the [TS]

00:05:33   backlash like all the everyone loves the [TS]

00:05:35   matrix and you know and I I didn't like [TS]

00:05:38   it because there was like and I I mean I [TS]

00:05:40   did like it i do had a good feeling [TS]

00:05:41   something now getting some distance and [TS]

00:05:43   being able to see it's sort of see it [TS]

00:05:44   again for the first time I felt better [TS]

00:05:46   about so that's what we'll talk about [TS]

00:05:47   today yeah well I mean and that's a good [TS]

00:05:49   thing that we should probably talk about [TS]

00:05:50   now I i mentioned that i had the grad [TS]

00:05:52   students say oh and blow your mind man [TS]

00:05:53   and Johns told his story [TS]

00:05:55   Erica we touched on the fact that you [TS]

00:05:56   saw a bunch of times I guess that means [TS]

00:05:58   you liked it [TS]

00:05:59   yeah i'm not that masochistic I saw the [TS]

00:06:02   first time and I didn't know I didn't [TS]

00:06:04   know anything that I had seen I think [TS]

00:06:06   one of the teaser ads where you saw [TS]

00:06:08   Morpheus jump and then no sounds whoa [TS]

00:06:11   and that was it but that's the key on [TS]

00:06:14   right as the whole movie you know [TS]

00:06:15   anything that's really all you need to [TS]

00:06:17   know but yeah and i think i think going [TS]

00:06:19   along with what John said that that was [TS]

00:06:21   one of the things that worked for me [TS]

00:06:24   that so much about the movie i loved [TS]

00:06:25   back in the day being able to go into a [TS]

00:06:27   theater not know anything and in this [TS]

00:06:29   this one not only did I not know [TS]

00:06:31   anything when I walked into the theater [TS]

00:06:32   I still didn't know very much about half [TS]

00:06:34   an hour into it and I thought that was [TS]

00:06:36   fantastic it was sort of a reverse [TS]

00:06:38   dramatic [TS]

00:06:39   irony like the characters knew what was [TS]

00:06:42   going on [TS]

00:06:43   most most of them but but I didn't and I [TS]

00:06:45   thought that was awesome [TS]

00:06:46   Steve what was your matrix experience [TS]

00:06:49   did you have some grad students come up [TS]

00:06:50   to you like I tried to keep my distance [TS]

00:06:53   from gravity smart they were playing [TS]

00:06:54   they're paying me to be close to them so [TS]

00:06:56   yeah it's there will be the only reason [TS]

00:06:58   in ya know I didn't get around to seeing [TS]

00:07:01   this until two thousand six as usual [TS]

00:07:02   because i was forced to for other [TS]

00:07:04   reasons that i actually wanted to see it [TS]

00:07:06   you missed the matrix entirely why did I [TS]

00:07:08   think I i think both of the horrible [TS]

00:07:10   they theorized horrible sequels that [TS]

00:07:12   don't actually exist [TS]

00:07:13   no not yet come out they had both come [TS]

00:07:16   out and I was already aware that I was [TS]

00:07:18   probably setting myself up for [TS]

00:07:19   disappointment might want to see all [TS]

00:07:21   trilogy so but i sat down and watched [TS]

00:07:25   knowing already basically that I [TS]

00:07:27   thatthat's there's a computer simulation [TS]

00:07:29   and everybody lives in it [TS]

00:07:31   what I didn't know was the bit where [TS]

00:07:34   Keanu is actually pulled from the matrix [TS]

00:07:37   and emerges from his part of goo & and [TS]

00:07:42   that part i was very entertained by [TS]

00:07:43   because I i had not been properly [TS]

00:07:46   prepared for it so you know i watch the [TS]

00:07:49   whole movie with pretty much my brain [TS]

00:07:50   turned off trying not to pay too much [TS]

00:07:52   attention to the mutterings of Morpheus [TS]

00:07:55   and really enjoyed it [TS]

00:07:58   this this time i watched it twice in the [TS]

00:08:00   run-up to this podcast and I thought a [TS]

00:08:04   little bit more about some of the things [TS]

00:08:05   that were being said and tried to [TS]

00:08:07   determine whether the plot actually made [TS]

00:08:08   any sense and enjoyed it slightly less [TS]

00:08:10   but yeah as a as a spectacle as it just [TS]

00:08:14   entertainment [TS]

00:08:15   it's a great movie I can't deny that if [TS]

00:08:18   you if you're willing to turn your brain [TS]

00:08:19   off and you're willing to overlook the [TS]

00:08:24   main actor then when it's a great film [TS]

00:08:27   whoa wait a second ok you want to [TS]

00:08:31   overlook the main actor [TS]

00:08:33   this is Point Break are the peak of his [TS]

00:08:34   career he has not sad yes now but we [TS]

00:08:37   talked about concluding last time these [TS]

00:08:39   are the rules that he was made for this [TS]

00:08:41   is Bill intent this bill intent and like [TS]

00:08:45   yeah Point Break like he is perfect in [TS]

00:08:49   his room key so perfect [TS]

00:08:51   every other roles he is terrible but [TS]

00:08:53   these girls is perfect is terrible and [TS]

00:08:55   everything it fits in bill and ted in [TS]

00:08:57   this he's a piece of wood and I I cannot [TS]

00:09:00   watch this movie without thinking how [TS]

00:09:02   much better with this movie be with [TS]

00:09:03   somebody who could act [TS]

00:09:04   oh no I think we ruin it yeah maybe i [TS]

00:09:08   don't know i think you need somebody [TS]

00:09:09   who's pretty much just blank lifer [TS]

00:09:12   well not tonight easiest place is [TS]

00:09:15   embarrassingly earnest is embarrassingly [TS]

00:09:17   earnest a movie that really if the [TS]

00:09:19   production values with lower one [TS]

00:09:20   basically be a b-movie right but it's [TS]

00:09:22   not i assume that that they did some [TS]

00:09:25   work on the script knowing who their [TS]

00:09:26   lead actor was because it means the best [TS]

00:09:29   example being when the Oracle says he's [TS]

00:09:30   not too bright [TS]

00:09:32   he first signed the Oracle knows what [TS]

00:09:34   she's talking about [TS]

00:09:35   if you have a smarter seeming kind of [TS]

00:09:37   actor that character would have to be [TS]

00:09:38   different because that is one of the [TS]

00:09:40   beauties of this is that he kind of [TS]

00:09:41   bumbles along as like not really getting [TS]

00:09:44   it and not wanting to get it and just [TS]

00:09:46   being this dude who's got this you know [TS]

00:09:49   it is it's fulfilling this prophecy and [TS]

00:09:51   I you know I don't know whether that [TS]

00:09:53   character would work better if it had [TS]

00:09:54   been a more intelligent character [TS]

00:09:56   because they would have to change the [TS]

00:09:57   script to make it the dynamic a little [TS]

00:10:00   bit different i think because I think [TS]

00:10:01   that's why it works it is the forest [TS]

00:10:03   gump of this movie I don't think he has [TS]

00:10:04   to be more intelligent I just think he [TS]

00:10:06   has to be slightly less monotone and I [TS]

00:10:08   think there are ways to do [TS]

00:10:09   monotone and confused and and and being [TS]

00:10:12   a cipher without necessarily I mean with [TS]

00:10:15   with some character growth and with [TS]

00:10:17   Keanu his first line is what anything [TS]

00:10:20   means that draft tone and delivery for [TS]

00:10:23   the next hundred and twenty-nine minutes [TS]

00:10:24   and it just for me not my thing i'd like [TS]

00:10:29   to see somebody with a bit more range [TS]

00:10:31   he's not my favorite I mean there's [TS]

00:10:32   there's very little change in you know [TS]

00:10:36   at what the two hours and 10 minutes or [TS]

00:10:39   whatever it is 16 [TS]

00:10:40   yeah i mean i like i like I'm just [TS]

00:10:43   trying but yeah he's he's just serve on [TS]

00:10:46   that plane and and you know even when [TS]

00:10:48   he's changed when he's evolved and when [TS]

00:10:50   he you know he realizes that he could be [TS]

00:10:52   the one he still is [TS]

00:10:55   who's talking like this whoa and you [TS]

00:10:58   know he gets a little angrier you know a [TS]

00:11:00   little more like I am the one but it's [TS]

00:11:04   like okay to clear your throat that's [TS]

00:11:06   what he's like an action figure because [TS]

00:11:08   like that get together and the movie is [TS]

00:11:10   that he expresses the change in his [TS]

00:11:13   character through his actions i think [TS]

00:11:14   that the most one of my favorite parts [TS]

00:11:16   of the movie one of the most important [TS]

00:11:17   parts and i watched it many times again [TS]

00:11:19   i don't think it was supposed to be as [TS]

00:11:21   important as I made it is you know the [TS]

00:11:23   movies like a like and understand the [TS]

00:11:25   world works and then he learns the truth [TS]

00:11:26   and then they're trying to give it to me [TS]

00:11:27   the one he's not sure he goes all this [TS]

00:11:29   stuff but the key point the movie i [TS]

00:11:31   think is when the helicopters going over [TS]

00:11:34   the edge right and this is the Rope [TS]

00:11:36   that's dangling out of the helicopter [TS]

00:11:37   it's going over the edge and it's kind [TS]

00:11:39   of slow motion and it's at a certain [TS]

00:11:41   point what he decides to do is [TS]

00:11:47   by the way spoilers for the matrix it's [TS]

00:11:50   been a 14 freaking years spoiling ok ok [TS]

00:11:54   the helicopters going over the edge of [TS]

00:11:55   the building kind of slow motion and and [TS]

00:11:57   that it everything is very slow and he [TS]

00:11:59   in decision-making processes head you [TS]

00:12:01   can see it going is he decides to pick [TS]

00:12:03   up the Rope is attached a helicopter [TS]

00:12:06   with the intention that he is going to [TS]

00:12:08   stop the helicopter from falling off the [TS]

00:12:10   edge of the building which is it soon [TS]

00:12:12   you would never make in our in the real [TS]

00:12:14   world and that's the point when he [TS]

00:12:16   realizes hey wait a second i can grab [TS]

00:12:18   this rope and stop the helicopter want [TS]

00:12:21   the end because this is not the real [TS]

00:12:22   world this is some you don't think he's [TS]

00:12:24   just assuming that she's gonna tie [TS]

00:12:25   together into her and and jump off even [TS]

00:12:28   that wouldn't work in the real world [TS]

00:12:29   either because I'm they do if you watch [TS]

00:12:31   it again you'll see that they don't [TS]

00:12:33   linger on it but if you spend a little [TS]

00:12:35   bit of time because in no no real world [TS]

00:12:38   even in action movie that's preposterous [TS]

00:12:40   the only reason it works is because he [TS]

00:12:42   figures out finally [TS]

00:12:44   oh I can be an agent of my own you know [TS]

00:12:47   destiny in ways that have no bearing on [TS]

00:12:50   reality because I'm strapped in a chair [TS]

00:12:51   with the thanks of in the back of my [TS]

00:12:52   head [TS]

00:12:53   in fairness he does play the role very [TS]

00:12:55   much like a man who's had a metal spike [TS]

00:12:57   shift into the base circle like there's [TS]

00:13:00   no there's no dialogue in that scene he [TS]

00:13:01   doesn't think to himself he doesn't have [TS]

00:13:03   a voiceover he doesn't have a [TS]

00:13:04   conversation about it and all of his [TS]

00:13:06   transformation as the character is done [TS]

00:13:08   through his actions in deciding what to [TS]

00:13:09   do with his big dorky looking body and [TS]

00:13:11   his funny little bouncy walk [TS]

00:13:13   that's very true most actors wouldn't be [TS]

00:13:15   brave enough to play a completely flat [TS]

00:13:17   face like that they would actually show [TS]

00:13:18   some kind of emotion or shows and [TS]

00:13:21   spatially varying unfailing fair to [TS]

00:13:23   Kyoto let's be honest this isn't really [TS]

00:13:25   a film about character development [TS]

00:13:26   really seriously the characters they're [TS]

00:13:30   all archetypes [TS]

00:13:31   I mean you've got the wise leader and [TS]

00:13:33   the clues hero the mysterious woman the [TS]

00:13:35   tech guy i mean this would make a really [TS]

00:13:37   good RPG party they don't even have real [TS]

00:13:39   names so it's not that kind of film so [TS]

00:13:42   I'm really okay with a wooden and I [TS]

00:13:44   completely agree that he's wooden and [TS]

00:13:46   doesn't really did not very much at all [TS]

00:13:48   I'm all right with that because it fits [TS]

00:13:49   in this kind of film their avatars I [TS]

00:13:51   mean they're literally avatar yes that's [TS]

00:13:54   what their did before we get into the [TS]

00:13:56   plot uh David you have any any matrix [TS]

00:13:59   story did you see it in the theater and [TS]

00:14:00   I did not see it but I bought it before [TS]

00:14:05   it came out on DVD i pre-ordered you [TS]

00:14:07   know I was like all right you have to [TS]

00:14:08   get countable I watched it the night it [TS]

00:14:11   came out yet see what the grad students [TS]

00:14:13   are talking about exactly [TS]

00:14:14   well we don't have great students but we [TS]

00:14:16   have a lot of college student like whoa [TS]

00:14:17   yeah sir robin and except they don't pay [TS]

00:14:21   me so I don't go near them all our [TS]

00:14:22   listeners our grad students and we just [TS]

00:14:24   a little but yes we apologize the [TS]

00:14:27   granite with your answer the world all [TS]

00:14:28   right but yeah no I mean when it came [TS]

00:14:30   out you know all anyone knew about it [TS]

00:14:32   was a science fiction film by the [TS]

00:14:34   Wachowskis and you know and I had seen [TS]

00:14:36   bound right i thought well what kind of [TS]

00:14:39   science fiction film where they going to [TS]

00:14:41   do because i mean it came out of nowhere [TS]

00:14:42   right and so when I saw it and and again [TS]

00:14:47   part of the curiosity was just really [TS]

00:14:50   they're doing sci-fi yeah okay but I [TS]

00:14:53   mean bound is a good just you know solid [TS]

00:14:56   pulp thriller yeah with some nice hooks [TS]

00:15:00   so to speak and so when i'm with you i'm [TS]

00:15:05   watching the movie i'm going wow this is [TS]

00:15:08   this pretty good i like this you know [TS]

00:15:10   and it's got its got a little bit of [TS]

00:15:12   fake Philip dick but it's not Philip [TS]

00:15:14   dick and it's better than all of the [TS]

00:15:16   actual adaptations of Philip dick that [TS]

00:15:18   are anything like Philip dick so you [TS]

00:15:20   know I really like that you mentioned [TS]

00:15:22   you mentioned bound I i also saw bound [TS]

00:15:25   before I saw the matrix and the opening [TS]

00:15:28   of this movie is carrie-anne moss in [TS]

00:15:31   leather em in in the in what she in the [TS]

00:15:34   building in the heart is the heart of [TS]

00:15:35   the city hotel with the city heart of [TS]

00:15:37   the city hotel [TS]

00:15:38   actually before that you get the cold [TS]

00:15:39   open where it's just voiceover right and [TS]

00:15:41   it turns out here it's joe pantoliano [TS]

00:15:42   and the numbers are there and we go into [TS]

00:15:45   the matrix and you can hear that phone [TS]

00:15:46   call that's going on the back which I [TS]

00:15:48   only mentioned for the sake of symmetry [TS]

00:15:50   because they echo it again at the very [TS]

00:15:52   near the end of the film right right [TS]

00:15:54   first sign there in the matrix should [TS]

00:15:55   have been the phone number with the 555 [TS]

00:15:57   perfect that's that's the somebody [TS]

00:15:59   somebody on Twitter today was saying how [TS]

00:16:01   when you re watch it you realize how [TS]

00:16:04   much of how much of the plot involves [TS]

00:16:06   you know telephones and phone booths and [TS]

00:16:09   wired a flyer phones and they do have [TS]

00:16:11   cell phones but I said well this is why [TS]

00:16:13   the machines [TS]

00:16:14   headed in 1999's because they needed to [TS]

00:16:16   have phone boots i guess it a [TS]

00:16:19   coincidence that shortly after this film [TS]

00:16:20   came out public phone booth started [TS]

00:16:22   disappearing finals think so you think [TS]

00:16:24   so you think the machines they figured [TS]

00:16:26   they figured that so we see we see [TS]

00:16:27   Trinity in the heart of the city and and [TS]

00:16:30   i watch this with my wife and she said [TS]

00:16:31   that she quoted dialogue in my wife [TS]

00:16:34   likes lots of movies but she doesn't [TS]

00:16:36   generally quote sci-fi movie dialogue at [TS]

00:16:38   back at me I'm the one who tends to do [TS]

00:16:40   that in this relationship and and she [TS]

00:16:43   she turns to me as as we're watching it [TS]

00:16:45   and says lieutenant your men are already [TS]

00:16:47   dead which is such a wonderful thing [TS]

00:16:51   because there's the police that kind of [TS]

00:16:52   that police guy who says that my guys [TS]

00:16:55   can handle a little girl he is this just [TS]

00:16:57   complete awful obnoxious cop and and and [TS]

00:17:00   we meet agent smith and and he says your [TS]

00:17:02   men are already dead and then we see [TS]

00:17:04   Trinity dispatch all of these all of [TS]

00:17:06   these guys and and then we get that huge [TS]

00:17:10   chasing and it's it's a quite a [TS]

00:17:12   statement this movie makes right at the [TS]

00:17:14   top that this is not maybe the kind of [TS]

00:17:18   movie that you're expecting me at the [TS]

00:17:19   strong female character who is in this [TS]

00:17:22   action sequence and the chase and and [TS]

00:17:24   and does some pretty amazing things that [TS]

00:17:27   you like how is that possible right and [TS]

00:17:30   and then that leads off to her running [TS]

00:17:32   to a phone booth and car smashing into [TS]

00:17:34   it and it's like what did I just see but [TS]

00:17:36   it's a it really is a spectacular action [TS]

00:17:39   scene to start a movie and i love it oh [TS]

00:17:41   yeah no I I with the other night when I [TS]

00:17:43   rewatched and i watched it with my 11 [TS]

00:17:46   year old who you know again had no idea [TS]

00:17:48   what he was in for and and and he you [TS]

00:17:52   know he's already doing the thing where [TS]

00:17:53   he'll have a tablet or a d/s or [TS]

00:17:56   something while he's watching and and as [TS]

00:17:59   that's going on he's just looking over [TS]

00:18:01   the top of it and finally just turns it [TS]

00:18:02   off and put it down [TS]

00:18:03   yeah it's like that yeah okay okay [TS]

00:18:08   and the thing that really struck me [TS]

00:18:10   especially like looking at some of the [TS]

00:18:11   lighting and the just the [TS]

00:18:14   framing of shots especially when she's [TS]

00:18:17   in the midst of the fight and and on the [TS]

00:18:19   roof later I don't need all these things [TS]

00:18:21   is that this really is a comic book yeah [TS]

00:18:26   you know and it is it's maybe one of the [TS]

00:18:28   best-looking you know most comic book [TS]

00:18:31   looking movies I've ever seen [TS]

00:18:33   yeah that scene is that's where i bought [TS]

00:18:35   in I mean yeah we can we can credit the [TS]

00:18:37   fact that I thought nine times in the [TS]

00:18:39   theater is very expensive summer for [TS]

00:18:42   movies come back two minutes came out [TS]

00:18:43   that you're too good grief see only so [TS]

00:18:46   that once [TS]

00:18:47   yeah I that nine times as well I'm that [TS]

00:18:51   geek so wait you earlier said you [TS]

00:18:52   weren't a masochist [TS]

00:18:54   haha we all did face at the time that we [TS]

00:18:58   might regret later Steve will just never [TS]

00:19:02   never all very excited about the Phantom [TS]

00:19:03   Menace when it came out [TS]

00:19:04   yes but I I thought it was really bold [TS]

00:19:08   to start the film with like you said [TS]

00:19:11   Jason a female character because that's [TS]

00:19:13   not something that actually that's not [TS]

00:19:14   something you still see in the movies [TS]

00:19:16   very often and I was just not only blown [TS]

00:19:19   away by the fact that it's it's a woman [TS]

00:19:21   thats its kicking ass but how much she [TS]

00:19:23   was kicking ass and i also have to [TS]

00:19:25   mention another little bit of symmetry [TS]

00:19:27   because that's the kind of stuff that [TS]

00:19:28   really gets me going when she lands at [TS]

00:19:30   the bottom of the stairs in this thing [TS]

00:19:31   you know get opportunity [TS]

00:19:32   get up that's echoed again at the end of [TS]

00:19:35   the movie which will get to write and i [TS]

00:19:37   love that moment to because we've seen [TS]

00:19:38   her at that moment when she's at the [TS]

00:19:40   bottom of the stairs laying on her back [TS]

00:19:42   with guns pointed up at the window [TS]

00:19:44   waiting for that agent to come through [TS]

00:19:45   this we've seen her do things that seem [TS]

00:19:48   super human and we definitely have seen [TS]

00:19:49   the agent do things that seem super [TS]

00:19:51   human they've left the police behind and [TS]

00:19:53   there's that moment where immediately [TS]

00:19:55   following this superhuman chase she's [TS]

00:19:57   laying at the bottom of the stairs and [TS]

00:19:58   she's vulnerable and she's scared and [TS]

00:20:01   she's waiting for that horrible monster [TS]

00:20:02   to come through the window and then she [TS]

00:20:04   has to kind of like talk yourself into [TS]

00:20:05   getting to the next thing and that's a [TS]

00:20:07   great combination to because we've just [TS]

00:20:09   seen her super part and now we see her [TS]

00:20:12   as you obviously she is vulnerable [TS]

00:20:13   there's something that that these super [TS]

00:20:15   people that we're watching are afraid of [TS]

00:20:18   and i love that combination then she [TS]

00:20:21   runs you know runs down the street it's [TS]

00:20:22   it's a indelible scene i love that scene [TS]

00:20:25   ok let's step out of the matrix brief [TS]

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00:21:51   ok now everybody take the red pill one [TS]

00:21:54   of the many reasons that the geeks like [TS]

00:21:56   this movie as the reason that makes like [TS]

00:21:58   a lot of movies is that it doesn't it [TS]

00:22:02   assumes a level of intelligence and [TS]

00:22:05   being able to follow the plot that many [TS]

00:22:07   blockbuster action movies do not and so [TS]

00:22:09   the the opening of the movie where they [TS]

00:22:11   don't explain who is this person [TS]

00:22:13   why are these people chasing her why can [TS]

00:22:14   they do these things a lesser popcorn [TS]

00:22:17   action movie would have to set up all [TS]

00:22:20   those things before you see a dramatic [TS]

00:22:21   action scene at least explain to you [TS]

00:22:23   that the people are maybe if you don't [TS]

00:22:24   explain it because it's a it's a [TS]

00:22:25   franchise movie and everyone knows who [TS]

00:22:27   Batman is that you can have an opening [TS]

00:22:28   scene and people has accepted his batman [TS]

00:22:30   no explanation of who these people are [TS]

00:22:32   what's at stake why they're chasing each [TS]

00:22:34   other why they can do these things in [TS]

00:22:35   the premise of the movie or in the [TS]

00:22:37   advertising or anything because in them [TS]

00:22:40   in a movie like a good boy [TS]

00:22:41   the story unfolds and you learn things [TS]

00:22:43   but that is so counter to the way [TS]

00:22:45   blockbuster movies are done so any movie [TS]

00:22:47   that gives you any credit to be able to [TS]

00:22:48   follow plot and and revealing [TS]

00:22:50   information later that you know let's [TS]

00:22:52   look back in earlier scenes and explain [TS]

00:22:53   them get such a big thumbs-up from [TS]

00:22:55   nerves especially when its i5 it's like [TS]

00:22:57   finally you're not talking down to me as [TS]

00:22:59   badly as you usually are [TS]

00:23:01   and I I definitely felt that in this [TS]

00:23:03   opening scene because again going in [TS]

00:23:05   knowing nothing I knew these weren't [TS]

00:23:06   franchise characters it's not based on [TS]

00:23:08   you know anything that our life is it [TS]

00:23:10   was based on a comic book or property to [TS]

00:23:12   die [TS]

00:23:12   I hadn't heard of or anything and they [TS]

00:23:14   just went right into it here we are [TS]

00:23:15   they're fighting you did you learn later [TS]

00:23:18   why they're fighting and it will make [TS]

00:23:19   sense and sure enough you did and I like [TS]

00:23:21   that [TS]

00:23:22   yeah that's exactly the reverse dramatic [TS]

00:23:23   irony i was talking about it i like [TS]

00:23:25   movies like that because it makes me [TS]

00:23:27   feel like my time was worth something [TS]

00:23:29   yeah I've accomplished something it's [TS]

00:23:30   not like you know captain info dump at [TS]

00:23:32   the beginning of the movie telling me [TS]

00:23:34   everything I should know and and the [TS]

00:23:35   thing that's that's really striking is [TS]

00:23:37   that you know because it's not based on [TS]

00:23:39   an existing thing because we don't know [TS]

00:23:41   who this is because it's not either of [TS]

00:23:44   the two big names who are advertised in [TS]

00:23:45   every piece of marketing it's not [TS]

00:23:47   laurence fishburne it's not Keanu Reeves [TS]

00:23:49   who is this [TS]

00:23:50   maybe the thing maybe the truck really [TS]

00:23:52   did kill her when it crashed into the [TS]

00:23:53   phone booth [TS]

00:23:54   you know we have no idea who this is and [TS]

00:23:57   suddenly we realize that any one of [TS]

00:23:59   these characters could die at any moment [TS]

00:24:01   and suddenly there are steaks where [TS]

00:24:03   james bond is not gonna die [TS]

00:24:05   why are these phones so important to [TS]

00:24:07   people in front of them even of the [TS]

00:24:09   truck is gonna smash and then you know [TS]

00:24:11   again spoiling later when Keanu dies and [TS]

00:24:17   you go wait a minute and then suddenly [TS]

00:24:19   he's not dead so they've even changed [TS]

00:24:21   that rule by the end of the movie [TS]

00:24:26   we're Keanu Reeves doesn't die at the [TS]

00:24:30   end of again thanks for catching I'm [TS]

00:24:33   sorry to ruin a spin-out 414 not that [TS]

00:24:37   you know so that we cut me cut and we [TS]

00:24:40   get that we meet women Keanu Reeves and [TS]

00:24:43   he is this kind of shlumpy programmer [TS]

00:24:45   guy living in his little apartment and [TS]

00:24:47   there's a knock on the door and there's [TS]

00:24:48   some kind of there's a there's a really [TS]

00:24:51   douchey guy who wants to do was like a [TS]

00:24:54   disc or something and talks about [TS]

00:24:55   mescaline that support more than most [TS]

00:24:57   embarrassing lines in the entire movie [TS]

00:24:59   it's the only way to fly his clothing [TS]

00:25:01   ginger who has the audacity to call [TS]

00:25:03   kiadó reefs whiter than you yeah i know [TS]

00:25:05   now and uh by the but the the girl who's [TS]

00:25:09   with him [TS]

00:25:09   she's got the white rabbit tattoo and [TS]

00:25:11   he's gotten his mysterious text glowing [TS]

00:25:13   green text message on his computer that [TS]

00:25:15   says to follow the white rabbit and so [TS]

00:25:16   we get what and what I really now I [TS]

00:25:20   think about it is this descent into the [TS]

00:25:21   mystery of the matrix but at the time [TS]

00:25:22   I'm thinking oh this is what the story [TS]

00:25:25   is going to be the first time this movie [TS]

00:25:26   unfolds it's like you know now I'm [TS]

00:25:28   understanding what I'm seeing is a [TS]

00:25:29   regular guy who you know it's almost [TS]

00:25:32   like what's the Martin Scorsese movie [TS]

00:25:34   after hours with griffin dunne right [TS]

00:25:36   where it's a regular guy who gets in the [TS]

00:25:37   series of ridiculous situations and goes [TS]

00:25:40   further and further into the underworld [TS]

00:25:41   and that's originally that's what I [TS]

00:25:43   thought is that what it is and now we [TS]

00:25:45   know it's really just him getting to the [TS]

00:25:48   nightclub so that he can meet Trinity [TS]

00:25:50   right that establishes his character as [TS]

00:25:53   not the character that the geeks will [TS]

00:25:55   identify with the moment that he [TS]

00:25:57   credulous Lee believes that he doesn't [TS]

00:25:59   like an actual nerd would be like that's [TS]

00:26:02   an actual coincidence that my brain is [TS]

00:26:04   applying significance to it because it [TS]

00:26:06   seems like whoa that must mean like they [TS]

00:26:08   totally just said white rabbit and some [TS]

00:26:09   other way around no but he is credulous [TS]

00:26:11   and he is stupid and like these the [TS]

00:26:15   forest gump of the movie and so he goes [TS]

00:26:16   long as it's all right right out the [TS]

00:26:18   gate we know [TS]

00:26:19   ok I'm not identifying with me oh he [TS]

00:26:21   also goes out he's not a skeptical [TS]

00:26:23   marathon so I do like the needed a [TS]

00:26:26   super-secret sony mini discs in a [TS]

00:26:28   hollowed-out copy of simulacra and [TS]

00:26:30   simulation yeah open to the page on me [TS]

00:26:33   ilysm i love the sony minidisc thing by [TS]

00:26:35   the way that looks better and better as [TS]

00:26:37   time received like what kind of crazy [TS]

00:26:39   fuck is this that's the second layer of [TS]

00:26:41   this movie is that when you know I [TS]

00:26:42   showed it to my son as well the idea of [TS]

00:26:44   like nineties technology phone booths [TS]

00:26:48   that the nokia cell phone that snaps [TS]

00:26:50   open what has to be impressive like all [TS]

00:26:52   that kind of retro-futuristic it was [TS]

00:26:55   impressive that was super impressed when [TS]

00:26:57   honking phone to it makes a great sound [TS]

00:27:00   when it clicks as it and I'm very [TS]

00:27:01   excited that's what you want moving no [TS]

00:27:03   you're right it is I remember so this is [TS]

00:27:05   one of my references Jason always makes [TS]

00:27:07   on podcast it's not about the Micronauts [TS]

00:27:09   it's about Max Headroom but max headroom [TS]

00:27:10   the art direction is lots of weird [TS]

00:27:13   anachronistic stuff so there's like [TS]

00:27:15   there's like Studebakers that everybody [TS]

00:27:17   drives and stuff and I what I like about [TS]

00:27:19   it is it's like this bizarre combination [TS]

00:27:21   of things [TS]

00:27:22   the matrix watching it now i feel more [TS]

00:27:24   of that like when they're in the matrix [TS]

00:27:25   it's eight at the time it was there in [TS]

00:27:27   the present day and now it's like [TS]

00:27:28   they're in a simulation of 1999 and it [TS]

00:27:31   feels like it actually kind of works [TS]

00:27:33   that they've got the mini discs in the [TS]

00:27:35   and the cell phones and all of that [TS]

00:27:37   well it here's the thing with [TS]

00:27:38   perspective so I'm watching it with my [TS]

00:27:39   son and you know neo gets the little bit [TS]

00:27:42   of the computer wakes up with the [TS]

00:27:43   messages and he goes that's a [TS]

00:27:46   weird-looking I message it didn't [TS]

00:27:48   because it didn't you know of course the [TS]

00:27:50   computers going to talk to you [TS]

00:27:52   yeah i miss you know that's not a [TS]

00:27:53   computer that's less you're going to be [TS]

00:27:55   if it's just the hoop [TS]

00:27:57   here's a message from your friend [TS]

00:27:58   Morpheus ok so Neil goes to work he's [TS]

00:28:00   accused of cubical drone is specifically [TS]

00:28:03   a program writer for a respectable [TS]

00:28:04   software company whatever that is I i [TS]

00:28:07   left meets Trinity we should say that he [TS]

00:28:10   meets trinity at the at the club v [TS]

00:28:13   Trinity Jason and there's a nice scene [TS]

00:28:15   there where where he says I thought you [TS]

00:28:17   were a guy she says most guys do [TS]

00:28:19   yeah beauty is a couple of a couple of [TS]

00:28:21   good lines that movie still stand up [TS]

00:28:23   yeah but then he ends up in the cubicle [TS]

00:28:25   farm and we see his soul crushing job [TS]

00:28:27   with his soul crushing boss and so he [TS]

00:28:30   gets the FedExed cell phone and it [TS]

00:28:34   immediately rings and you're mad that [TS]

00:28:36   the serious thing in this movie is what [TS]

00:28:38   if somebody sent you a phone in the mail [TS]

00:28:40   when you open the box [TS]

00:28:41   well it could be they've been calling [TS]

00:28:43   every fire and it's a nokia was a hook [TS]

00:28:46   so we answered it and it's Morpheus and [TS]

00:28:49   and I really like that scene where [TS]

00:28:51   we're Morpheus tells me exactly what to [TS]

00:28:54   do like you can see every single thing [TS]

00:28:55   and knows the sequence of events and and [TS]

00:28:58   you know go now and the runs across and [TS]

00:29:00   it's very tense but it's also like how [TS]

00:29:02   is this possible how is this guy doing [TS]

00:29:04   this and he leads him to the window and [TS]

00:29:06   and he goes out on the ledge and then [TS]

00:29:09   you know again kind of going against [TS]

00:29:11   your expectations key hunters like now [TS]

00:29:13   forget it and then next next scene is [TS]

00:29:15   with the agents and his boss and it's [TS]

00:29:16   like right now I'm not going I'm not [TS]

00:29:18   gonna I'm not gonna follow this Morpheus [TS]

00:29:20   guy who is this guy [TS]

00:29:22   I don't have it at this point we still [TS]

00:29:23   have no idea what's at stake [TS]

00:29:25   why they're chasing him why he is [TS]

00:29:27   important in any way like because he [TS]

00:29:29   doesn't know and we don't know at what [TS]

00:29:30   why do people catch him what are they [TS]

00:29:32   gonna do when they catch him what [TS]

00:29:33   anything is this process you know the [TS]

00:29:36   criminals is he a criminal they're gonna [TS]

00:29:37   kill him are they part of his boss his [TS]

00:29:39   work is it a computer and we know [TS]

00:29:40   nothing which is great like you've got [TS]

00:29:42   so long into the movie without them [TS]

00:29:43   explaining it to you [TS]

00:29:44   I like that scene because you're right [TS]

00:29:47   we don't know anything but at that point [TS]

00:29:48   I no longer feel like I'm alone in not [TS]

00:29:51   knowing anything because that's when neo [TS]

00:29:52   really joins us as the audience in being [TS]

00:29:55   like WTF have no idea what's happening [TS]

00:29:57   right yeah this is the first place where [TS]

00:29:59   I kind of started having problems with [TS]

00:30:00   the movie having three watched it a few [TS]

00:30:02   times if the computers running this [TS]

00:30:04   whole simulation shouldn't hiding from [TS]

00:30:05   the agents be basically impossible i [TS]

00:30:08   think the agents I think I mean [TS]

00:30:09   obviously the premise of the movie is [TS]

00:30:11   that the agents the agents are our [TS]

00:30:13   artificial intelligence that they work [TS]

00:30:15   within the make their loose within the [TS]

00:30:17   system and that's that it Smith even [TS]

00:30:18   says later you know I i hate the smell [TS]

00:30:20   and and that they're obviously clearly [TS]

00:30:22   getting some kind of information from [TS]

00:30:25   their little headsets right but the [TS]

00:30:26   matrix did they like they have to play [TS]

00:30:28   by the rules [TS]

00:30:29   he's he's almost like a virus that's why [TS]

00:30:31   they have to have headsets yeah i think [TS]

00:30:33   that i think that's I mean otherwise [TS]

00:30:34   what's the point of the movie if there's [TS]

00:30:36   just and then a hand appeared out of the [TS]

00:30:38   sky and picked up neo and crushed him [TS]

00:30:40   and the end right today after them their [TS]

00:30:43   day they can break the rules but they [TS]

00:30:44   still have to be in the world and play [TS]

00:30:46   bye-bye to some degree the physics of [TS]

00:30:48   the world and that's just the premise we [TS]

00:30:49   have to go through stiii psalm is sort [TS]

00:30:51   of sort of like a virus that you sort of [TS]

00:30:53   stick in there that's working as a free [TS]

00:30:56   agent [TS]

00:30:57   so to speak um right I you know who [TS]

00:31:00   knows how intentionally they put that in [TS]

00:31:02   there if they ever did sequels they [TS]

00:31:03   might have explained it but [TS]

00:31:05   yeah again sadly I mean someday [TS]

00:31:07   something deadly has everybody seen the [TS]

00:31:11   the imagine sequels they don't know what [TS]

00:31:14   you're talking about yes i have i have [TS]

00:31:16   seen all the man i don't deny the [TS]

00:31:17   existence as always although they are [TS]

00:31:19   terrible but I like they had they had [TS]

00:31:21   seeds of possible things [TS]

00:31:24   yeah they had they had an interesting [TS]

00:31:25   ideas it just completely portal and [TS]

00:31:27   actually argued that the first half of [TS]

00:31:28   the trilogy is good because i think the [TS]

00:31:30   first half of the second movie is [TS]

00:31:31   actually pretty good and then it comes [TS]

00:31:33   to a screeching halt and never resumed I [TS]

00:31:36   think that good popcorn movies they're [TS]

00:31:38   just fun to watch not funded i can think [TS]

00:31:40   about the car chase in matrix reloaded [TS]

00:31:43   is amazing it's just that any architect [TS]

00:31:46   appears yeah yeah there's this great [TS]

00:31:48   action scenes buddy you have to you have [TS]

00:31:50   to figure out it like for the first [TS]

00:31:52   movie is a clear arc they will travel [TS]

00:31:54   through of like be you know a beginning [TS]

00:31:55   middle end we see you know we be the [TS]

00:31:57   beginning you don't know that you do [TS]

00:31:58   know it's revealed and there's a climax [TS]

00:32:00   and blah blah and I just didn't come up [TS]

00:32:02   with that for the next two movies they [TS]

00:32:03   just wanted to finish telling the story [TS]

00:32:04   but didn't figure out oh then we have [TS]

00:32:06   two more movies in each one of those [TS]

00:32:08   movies needs to be a satisfying [TS]

00:32:09   self-righting story that's pretty [TS]

00:32:11   continues the plot and they said now [TS]

00:32:12   we're not gonna do that [TS]

00:32:13   just working downloading happening in [TS]

00:32:15   those movies in terms of mythology and [TS]

00:32:19   stuff instead of really more satisfying [TS]

00:32:22   stories in effect of the third movie [TS]

00:32:23   ends up being a giant like my neck [TS]

00:32:26   gunbattle kind of thing is sort of this [TS]

00:32:28   morning although although you could say [TS]

00:32:30   that about the end of this movie too and [TS]

00:32:32   maybe well maybe we'll get there [TS]

00:32:33   although we're going through slowly [TS]

00:32:34   through it I they put a bug in him they [TS]

00:32:37   put up they put a bug in him and that he [TS]

00:32:39   wakes up and and and I feel like we're [TS]

00:32:41   still at the point in this movie where [TS]

00:32:43   there's a question about whether [TS]

00:32:44   anything truly fantastical is going on [TS]

00:32:47   we're sort of in that easy is the [TS]

00:32:49   imagining this what's the reason behind [TS]

00:32:51   this is is this the real world and i [TS]

00:32:53   feel like the moment where the moment [TS]

00:32:58   where he gets what it his mouth come [TS]

00:33:00   across somebody mouthful and they still [TS]

00:33:01   bugging and all of that it's like oh my [TS]

00:33:03   god what is happening now that's that [TS]

00:33:04   moment where it's just like the mouth [TS]

00:33:06   closed up you're like okay is this movie [TS]

00:33:08   this movie have magic something is or is [TS]

00:33:11   this or is this all like a drug trip or [TS]

00:33:13   hallucination because previously [TS]

00:33:14   everything had been [TS]

00:33:16   you know guns fighting but no no like [TS]

00:33:18   fantasy elements and then once his mouth [TS]

00:33:20   closed over like that like it's either a [TS]

00:33:22   horror movie your fantasy movie or the [TS]

00:33:24   some sort of drug thing and it'syou by [TS]

00:33:26   saying okay now he wakes up [TS]

00:33:27   maybe he dreamed all that it seemed like [TS]

00:33:29   a dream sequence didn't it and you're [TS]

00:33:30   still not sure what's going on but now [TS]

00:33:31   you don't even know what genre the [TS]

00:33:32   movies anymore yeah great [TS]

00:33:34   the first sign that things are not quite [TS]

00:33:35   right is for me the best thing in the [TS]

00:33:38   movie and that's the way that Hugo [TS]

00:33:39   Weaving talks he's amazing oh yeah [TS]

00:33:42   halting he's got that kind of weird half [TS]

00:33:44   accidenti his little paws here and there [TS]

00:33:47   it's like he's struggling to figure out [TS]

00:33:48   how humans talk [TS]

00:33:50   he's trying to wrap his programming [TS]

00:33:52   around and it's wonderfully done and it [TS]

00:33:54   really racks up the tension I think the [TS]

00:33:57   thing i noticed for the first time [TS]

00:33:58   during the scene where they insert the [TS]

00:34:00   bug this time out there is this funky [TS]

00:34:03   little divot a little up into the left [TS]

00:34:05   of Keanu Reeves belly button [TS]

00:34:07   it's like a bonus navel it's really [TS]

00:34:10   weird i think the reason this guy talks [TS]

00:34:12   so where is he was grown in a lab yeah [TS]

00:34:14   that's a stem that's where he was [TS]

00:34:17   plucked off both kiana tree it's just [TS]

00:34:19   odd i wasn't sure if it was some weird [TS]

00:34:21   pieces so I they just threw into confuse [TS]

00:34:23   me or what the deal is Steve yurikano [TS]

00:34:25   sort of horror movies so i'm sure there [TS]

00:34:27   have been lots of belly button related [TS]

00:34:29   horror things and passed movies but i [TS]

00:34:31   love when they extract the the bug that [TS]

00:34:34   big it's kind of like we're going to [TS]

00:34:36   stick its like the belly button is a God [TS]

00:34:38   stay away from the belly button but no [TS]

00:34:39   such a sensitive area it's a it's a [TS]

00:34:41   really effective [TS]

00:34:42   I know I know if it's really effective [TS]

00:34:44   but it's like blah [TS]

00:34:46   every time I just think it comes out and [TS]

00:34:47   it's sloshing around in that purplish [TS]

00:34:49   sludge yeah in the two in the two would [TS]

00:34:51   be more effective if his line was [TS]

00:34:53   delivered a little better Jesus Christ [TS]

00:34:55   things real see that's what I'm talking [TS]

00:34:57   about yeah yeah that's the sort of thing [TS]

00:34:59   where somebody other than kiana would [TS]

00:35:00   improve out the secret is not to give [TS]

00:35:02   him lines that's right he should just be [TS]

00:35:04   going huh [TS]

00:35:07   just a lot of that a lot of growing this [TS]

00:35:09   scene by the way this grossest and the [TS]

00:35:10   the grossest and the horror of this [TS]

00:35:12   scene in this thing is excellent [TS]

00:35:15   it gets even better once you realize [TS]

00:35:17   that all that you know what's inside a [TS]

00:35:19   computer simulations like why does why [TS]

00:35:20   does it have to be that gross and [TS]

00:35:22   horrible it's like well again to some [TS]

00:35:24   degree you have to play by the rules of [TS]

00:35:26   the thing and the physical referent is [TS]

00:35:28   that [TS]

00:35:28   physical representation of you know [TS]

00:35:29   hacking or modifying the code of a [TS]

00:35:33   running system is so much better when [TS]

00:35:34   you abstract entirely from real code [TS]

00:35:36   because God forbid you try just throw [TS]

00:35:37   someone doing real hacking which they [TS]

00:35:39   did I think one of the sequel's or maybe [TS]

00:35:40   in this movie too and remember it's so [TS]

00:35:42   much better when you say no this is a [TS]

00:35:44   metaphor for they put a bug on him and [TS]

00:35:46   we're going to extracted and the [TS]

00:35:48   metaphor is disgusting in terrible but [TS]

00:35:50   really what's going on is you're just [TS]

00:35:51   changing 10 is in a program and this is [TS]

00:35:53   just the manifestation of that right [TS]

00:35:55   that's like another seen that look at [TS]

00:35:57   that becomes more interesting and [TS]

00:35:58   retrospective when you first see it it's [TS]

00:36:00   just gross and weird when you realize it [TS]

00:36:01   was all fake it takes on a new meaning [TS]

00:36:03   and it becomes even more interesting i [TS]

00:36:05   think well and obviously one watching [TS]

00:36:07   this movie this time i noticed the again [TS]

00:36:10   this is probably why the graduate [TS]

00:36:12   students for telling me well blow your [TS]

00:36:14   mind man is when we know now goes to [TS]

00:36:17   Morpheus and they drive him to tim [TS]

00:36:19   burton's batman and Morpheus talk to my [TS]

00:36:22   notes I've got my notes in front of me [TS]

00:36:23   for that I took while I was watching [TS]

00:36:25   this and what i have written down is [TS]

00:36:27   more peace talks like a fortune cookie [TS]

00:36:29   yeah well said it's just it's hilarious [TS]

00:36:33   that and I think you know again I kind [TS]

00:36:35   of like it I like that he is a spouting [TS]

00:36:38   off like philosophical at like [TS]

00:36:40   everything he says will is made to blow [TS]

00:36:42   your mind that's what his job is to be [TS]

00:36:45   that guy who is going to say these [TS]

00:36:48   things and Laurence Fishburne says them [TS]

00:36:50   incredibly well and they're these crazy [TS]

00:36:52   things but what I noticed this time and [TS]

00:36:55   I mean I noticed the first time but what [TS]

00:36:56   I really noticed this time is is clearly [TS]

00:36:59   what the Wachowskis goal and message of [TS]

00:37:02   this movie is the underlying message is [TS]

00:37:04   that you know he mortgaged talks about [TS]

00:37:06   paying your tab you see it every time [TS]

00:37:08   you pay your taxes in the matrix is [TS]

00:37:10   society it blots individualism and free [TS]

00:37:13   will [TS]

00:37:14   the matrix is the system it is it is [TS]

00:37:16   society it is the world around us and of [TS]

00:37:18   course that's the moment where you're [TS]

00:37:19   like you guys are out there you think [TS]

00:37:22   you're not in the matrix but you are in [TS]

00:37:24   the matrix which is the message I mean [TS]

00:37:27   it's not necessarily the the most [TS]

00:37:29   shocking and deep of messages but that [TS]

00:37:30   that clearly is what they want you [TS]

00:37:32   thinking about this entire rest of the [TS]

00:37:34   movie is you know are you in your own [TS]

00:37:38   personal matrix and Morpheus is your [TS]

00:37:40   guide to kind of like dress it up and [TS]

00:37:42   see [TS]

00:37:42   of some psychedelia but it really is [TS]

00:37:44   like you know when he says it's when you [TS]

00:37:46   pay your taxes it's like haha ok I get [TS]

00:37:49   what you're doing this is a [TS]

00:37:50   i-don't-know-what a and with the bugs [TS]

00:37:53   government agent bugs to is this a kind [TS]

00:37:56   of libertarian anarchist kind of that's [TS]

00:37:59   actually that's actually two prominent [TS]

00:38:00   mentions of paying taxes and like the [TS]

00:38:02   first 20 minutes of the film [TS]

00:38:04   yeah and Smith mentioned that you know [TS]

00:38:05   and trinity famously hack the IRS [TS]

00:38:07   database right that's right well like [TS]

00:38:11   they do balance it off they are [TS]

00:38:13   self-aware enough to balance it because [TS]

00:38:14   Morpheus does talking a fortune cookie [TS]

00:38:16   spots all this crap but there are [TS]

00:38:17   characters they intentionally put in a [TS]

00:38:19   movie who are like that Morpheus guy is [TS]

00:38:21   nuts right like like even his crew [TS]

00:38:23   around him is like alright movies like [TS]

00:38:25   they they realize he talks like a [TS]

00:38:27   fortune cookie they realize how [TS]

00:38:28   ridiculous isn't so the skeptics in the [TS]

00:38:30   movie like we're not supposed to take [TS]

00:38:32   him seriously obviously he takes himself [TS]

00:38:33   totals you seriously but the people [TS]

00:38:34   around him are like he's looking at more [TS]

00:38:37   of these guys a little bit off and you [TS]

00:38:38   know i may or may not believe all that [TS]

00:38:40   crazy craft that he's pouting and it's [TS]

00:38:41   amusing or whatever so he is balanced by [TS]

00:38:44   that and i think the movie is not like [TS]

00:38:46   they're clearly that's more visas role [TS]

00:38:47   but I don't think it's the filmmakers [TS]

00:38:49   position that you know hey man you're in [TS]

00:38:51   the matrix has you every time you pay [TS]

00:38:53   your taxes that's what that's a one [TS]

00:38:54   character in the movie says and other [TS]

00:38:56   characters think he's nuts and like they [TS]

00:38:57   just you know try to find the balance [TS]

00:38:58   between is Morpheus nuts are the [TS]

00:39:01   skeptics right or what is the real [TS]

00:39:02   situation I appreciate that a lot of the [TS]

00:39:04   drive for Joey pants turning turncoat on [TS]

00:39:08   them is he just can't take more faces PS [TS]

00:39:10   huh [TS]

00:39:11   exactly because like he is annoying is [TS]

00:39:13   pumping the pompous ass and he's he [TS]

00:39:15   wants a steak and he's tired of the [TS]

00:39:16   fortune cookie didn't didn't realize [TS]

00:39:19   what he was signing up for joe [TS]

00:39:20   pantoliano Joey pants who's who is safer [TS]

00:39:23   and betrays everybody [TS]

00:39:25   yeah he wants a steak and he didn't [TS]

00:39:27   realize what he was signing up for [TS]

00:39:28   speaking of Morpheus originally [TS]

00:39:30   originally val kilmer was supposed to [TS]

00:39:32   play that part of the better they wanted [TS]

00:39:34   every time I want right now I constantly [TS]

00:39:36   like I'm picturing val kilmer and you [TS]

00:39:38   know what I think that he could I think [TS]

00:39:40   you can have a pretty well I saw the [TS]

00:39:42   doors he could totally do it but unlike [TS]

00:39:44   Laurence Fishburne he doesn't have the [TS]

00:39:45   texture of a fortune cookie so it [TS]

00:39:47   doesn't work as well the what else what [TS]

00:39:50   else we also so they he takes the red [TS]

00:39:53   pill right [TS]

00:39:55   thank you to take the blue pill you go [TS]

00:39:56   back and we've got all our all our hole [TS]

00:39:58   Alice in Wonderland returns here and the [TS]

00:40:03   next scene again reason a really [TS]

00:40:05   memorable scene and John mentioned [TS]

00:40:07   earlier is my notes say Nia wakes up in [TS]

00:40:10   his googoo coffin he is covered in goo [TS]

00:40:13   and he's bald and I mean I don't know [TS]

00:40:16   whether they shot this out of sequence [TS]

00:40:18   so he could seem like emaciated but he [TS]

00:40:20   seems so messed up in these scenes that [TS]

00:40:24   it's actually really great aesthetics or [TS]

00:40:25   something on his chest yeah he was here [TS]

00:40:27   yesterday [TS]

00:40:28   yeah he has to look different and like [TS]

00:40:30   yeah this this was the point of the [TS]

00:40:32   movie like right up to the pill point [TS]

00:40:34   he's spouting all this crap like what [TS]

00:40:35   the hell is he talking about because it [TS]

00:40:37   sounded like just terrible BS or never [TS]

00:40:39   as soon as they showed him in the goo [TS]

00:40:41   I think pretty much every side finer is [TS]

00:40:43   like 600 everything every single piece [TS]

00:40:45   falls into place you don't need to see [TS]

00:40:47   the end of the GU seen as soon as you [TS]

00:40:48   see a bald guy with tools like all right [TS]

00:40:50   now I understand the whole movie and [TS]

00:40:52   like at that point the acceleration of [TS]

00:40:53   saying I understand everything that has [TS]

00:40:55   come before and I know exactly where [TS]

00:40:56   this movie is going now go like that [TS]

00:40:58   that was an exhilarating turn of events [TS]

00:41:00   whereas I think nan sci-fi nerds at that [TS]

00:41:03   point in the movie have not had enough [TS]

00:41:05   explanation at all because that fortune [TS]

00:41:07   cookie crap makes no sense to know [TS]

00:41:09   what's going on and like some of them [TS]

00:41:11   make it through the whole rest of the [TS]

00:41:12   movie like you know i'm looking up [TS]

00:41:13   throwing my parents on the bus but it [TS]

00:41:15   holds the whole rest of the movie [TS]

00:41:16   without understanding the promise and [TS]

00:41:18   other people have to wait for the you [TS]

00:41:20   know the explanation later and see more [TS]

00:41:22   of it for it to sink in so everyone has [TS]

00:41:24   something you put them on like a bell [TS]

00:41:25   curve like how long after you see read [TS]

00:41:27   good you do you understand what is going [TS]

00:41:30   on in the matrix and that could go out [TS]

00:41:32   to infinity on the right side versus [TS]

00:41:33   when they're in the matrix where they [TS]

00:41:35   park their spaceship exactly like their [TS]

00:41:38   that problem does exist [TS]

00:41:40   yeah I I suppose he does he does move [TS]

00:41:42   pretty good for a guy who's never used [TS]

00:41:44   his muscles before though I to say well [TS]

00:41:46   you know they keep they have to keep [TS]

00:41:48   them a certain strength yes and this is [TS]

00:41:49   also the point where my little nerd [TS]

00:41:51   brain started going and I started to [TS]

00:41:52   turn against the movies because the [TS]

00:41:54   whole time now i will briefly give Mike [TS]

00:41:56   complain about the promises like if you [TS]

00:41:58   are a computer you know artificial [TS]

00:42:00   intelligence that wants to rule the [TS]

00:42:03   world [TS]

00:42:04   the worst thing for you to do is to keep [TS]

00:42:06   your only potential rival for the planet [TS]

00:42:08   alive in any [TS]

00:42:09   a possible way for any reason that is [TS]

00:42:11   the worst decision you could ever make [TS]

00:42:13   it and in the movie you can see in the [TS]

00:42:15   comic book that explained it in the [TS]

00:42:16   animatrix winner in the movie there is [TS]

00:42:18   no explanation why a super intelligent [TS]

00:42:20   machine would keep humans around any [TS]

00:42:22   capacity of them to create dramatic [TS]

00:42:24   tension even if even if living things [TS]

00:42:26   were were batteries which there now I'm [TS]

00:42:30   not even i'm not even getting why not [TS]

00:42:32   how's that why not a long one is the [TS]

00:42:37   collective geothermal heat like [TS]

00:42:39   elephants the worst thing you can do is [TS]

00:42:41   keep humans around and like I'm not even [TS]

00:42:43   getting into like is it about good to [TS]

00:42:45   get energy from living things like not [TS]

00:42:47   even discussing that just saying like [TS]

00:42:48   the worst thing you can do is keep [TS]

00:42:50   humans around get rid of the humans job [TS]

00:42:52   0 this is the skynet AI version of the [TS]

00:42:56   villain not killing James Bond before he [TS]

00:42:58   tells a mysterious guy that had the [TS]

00:43:00   right idea what its kind want to do kill [TS]

00:43:02   every 10 minutes longer be simple and [TS]

00:43:04   what is the point again if of having to [TS]

00:43:06   feed the battery people this dream world [TS]

00:43:08   and are going to control it just goes [TS]

00:43:10   down it'll go to pot yeah it just goes [TS]

00:43:12   downhill from there once you once you've [TS]

00:43:14   got that premise giving a false sense [TS]

00:43:15   anything follow later like are gonna [TS]

00:43:17   take the science out i actually like i [TS]

00:43:18   like i like to believe and this is again [TS]

00:43:21   going outside of the scope of the movie [TS]

00:43:23   but I like to believe that what's really [TS]

00:43:24   going on here is that the machines know [TS]

00:43:27   that they lack creativity and they know [TS]

00:43:29   that they that they need humans but they [TS]

00:43:31   want to subjugate them and that the [TS]

00:43:33   matrix exists to get that you know get [TS]

00:43:35   the human element and get that get the [TS]

00:43:37   creativity and the things the machines [TS]

00:43:38   lack and and siphon it off in in this [TS]

00:43:41   controlled environment i like to believe [TS]

00:43:43   that that is what's going on there but [TS]

00:43:45   it's never said in the movie it's more [TS]

00:43:47   just like we give this thing for you to [TS]

00:43:48   play around in while we use you as a [TS]

00:43:50   battery and that that's a nice statement [TS]

00:43:52   of like human life has been reduced to [TS]

00:43:53   being a Duracell battery there's a [TS]

00:43:56   product placement by the way the problem [TS]

00:43:57   is that they try to explain a lot [TS]

00:43:59   they explained just enough that you feel [TS]

00:44:02   like okay well he's thought about some [TS]

00:44:03   of this but then they stopped when i [TS]

00:44:05   levitate they can't get past the purpose [TS]

00:44:07   of keeping humans around believe in the [TS]

00:44:08   comic book they tried to sidestep that [TS]

00:44:10   by saying that the brainpower of the [TS]

00:44:12   humans was being you know used as a [TS]

00:44:15   computational aid to like to give them [TS]

00:44:17   more computing power because they [TS]

00:44:18   couldn't you know the hardware wasn't [TS]

00:44:20   sufficiently need to use organic brains [TS]

00:44:21   to help them [TS]

00:44:22   computer and that's why they needed [TS]

00:44:23   these human brains that doesn't really [TS]

00:44:25   hold up either like my favorite take on [TS]

00:44:27   this is and probably we could talk about [TS]

00:44:29   this more at the end why these two [TS]

00:44:31   things about this equals the animatrix [TS]

00:44:33   animated movies which are prequels to [TS]

00:44:35   yes they are i like them better [TS]

00:44:37   yeah because I like anime i like them [TS]

00:44:39   better than the first matrix movie and [TS]

00:44:41   and they're shorter well so that's [TS]

00:44:43   exactly is right up my alley is so it's [TS]

00:44:45   not surprising that i like that because [TS]

00:44:46   in those movies explains how this AI [TS]

00:44:51   comes to be and that AI really wants to [TS]

00:44:54   kill the humans and then it kind of [TS]

00:44:55   towards the end you know it's going to [TS]

00:44:57   lead offer to this premise where you [TS]

00:44:58   keep humans around for some reason but [TS]

00:44:59   you can pretend that doesn't ever [TS]

00:45:01   actually happen so i recommend everyone [TS]

00:45:03   to watch those that can find I just [TS]

00:45:06   think I would've been even better if [TS]

00:45:06   they had said even less about why the [TS]

00:45:08   humans were being kept around and just [TS]

00:45:10   left a complete mystery [TS]

00:45:11   we don't understand the ways of the [TS]

00:45:13   machines [TS]

00:45:15   well yeah especially if if the agents [TS]

00:45:16   aren't really the machines they're just [TS]

00:45:18   the security agents running in the [TS]

00:45:19   matrix then yeah it would be better if [TS]

00:45:21   it was really just like we don't even [TS]

00:45:23   understand why they do what they do [TS]

00:45:24   because it's a terrible decision its [TS]

00:45:26   ability i assumed it was like the the [TS]

00:45:29   dream state and the creativity of you [TS]

00:45:33   know it's one thing to be in a coma but [TS]

00:45:35   it's another thing to be actively living [TS]

00:45:38   in creating and dreaming in that dream [TS]

00:45:39   state and that that was what really [TS]

00:45:42   charged up the batteries as it were that [TS]

00:45:45   you know it wasn't enough for them to [TS]

00:45:47   just be living breathing pumping blood [TS]

00:45:51   they had to be creative to I don't think [TS]

00:45:54   that about this is into the it's not [TS]

00:45:56   it's not the magic of the magic of [TS]

00:45:58   emotion and thought that somehow there's [TS]

00:46:00   this extra physical world in which our [TS]

00:46:02   emotions that are you know are harnessed [TS]

00:46:04   into energies that are beyond the powers [TS]

00:46:06   of machines and blah blah blah but just [TS]

00:46:08   fine if you're going to do a superhero [TS]

00:46:09   movie with telekinetic stuff or whatever [TS]

00:46:11   but if you're going to a sci-fi movie [TS]

00:46:12   not so great right side of film with [TS]

00:46:15   great spectacle is that you're willing [TS]

00:46:18   to say alright well i'm enjoying the [TS]

00:46:22   what's going on here enough that i'm [TS]

00:46:24   just going to stop thinking at this [TS]

00:46:25   point about the major plot holes and the [TS]

00:46:28   things that they aren't explaining and [TS]

00:46:30   I'm just gonna go i do that when the [TS]

00:46:31   battery thing comes up on my computer [TS]

00:46:32   but ok yeah yeah [TS]

00:46:35   something that I'm willing to do with [TS]

00:46:36   the matrix because the film is so well [TS]

00:46:38   done in other ways [TS]

00:46:39   okay uh let's see what else we got here [TS]

00:46:42   I i wanted to mention the the prophecy [TS]

00:46:47   stuff i'm not a big fan of the youthful [TS]

00:46:49   prophecy thing although i do I think [TS]

00:46:51   they do some very nice things with it in [TS]

00:46:52   this in this movie especially that [TS]

00:46:55   moment in the plot where joe pantoliano [TS]

00:46:57   is basically about to pull the plug on [TS]

00:47:00   me oh and and there's that whole [TS]

00:47:02   questions like well this can't be [TS]

00:47:04   because we know that he's the prophecy [TS]

00:47:05   guy and they're gonna prove him wrong [TS]

00:47:07   here and so they they they push that to [TS]

00:47:09   the limit [TS]

00:47:10   I'd even though the actual prophecy [TS]

00:47:12   doesn't really make a whole sense [TS]

00:47:13   because they say that like there was a [TS]

00:47:15   great prophet early on and waiting for [TS]

00:47:16   him to return which is you know it's a [TS]

00:47:20   very very you know Christian image you [TS]

00:47:23   know and so is neo of reincarnation of [TS]

00:47:25   somebody or is he you know it's not [TS]

00:47:28   explain but it just seems it seems to me [TS]

00:47:30   like it's sort of slapped in there like [TS]

00:47:31   we need something kind of mystical but [TS]

00:47:34   will you know i'll explain later [TS]

00:47:36   it is what i liked it because the the [TS]

00:47:39   prophecy and the first of the Oracle [TS]

00:47:40   actress is great but like I liked it [TS]

00:47:42   because like Morpheus is crap you're [TS]

00:47:44   like come on now is expected to believe [TS]

00:47:46   this crap like it's unreliable no it's [TS]

00:47:48   not accepted at face value and in many [TS]

00:47:50   points in the mood like they don't tell [TS]

00:47:52   you this is the prophecy is totally [TS]

00:47:53   between the whole time you like this [TS]

00:47:54   sounds like crap and other characters [TS]

00:47:56   like yeah it does kind of sound like [TS]

00:47:57   crap and then things happen that seems [TS]

00:47:59   to counteract the prophecy like see that [TS]

00:48:01   property stuff was crap like they kind [TS]

00:48:03   of I want to have the cake and eat it [TS]

00:48:04   too making you disbelieve the Prophet [TS]

00:48:06   just like neo doesn't and you believe it [TS]

00:48:08   and even when it all comes to fruition [TS]

00:48:09   you're like what was that the prophecy [TS]

00:48:11   or was that just what happened but I [TS]

00:48:12   like that it's like they you know they [TS]

00:48:14   don't provide you with the prophecy [TS]

00:48:16   expect you to swallow it whole they [TS]

00:48:17   expect fully that you're going to hear [TS]

00:48:19   this prophecy will sound like bogus crap [TS]

00:48:20   and they got wonderful singing in the [TS]

00:48:23   kitchen plays off of that I think [TS]

00:48:25   deliciously requiring again counties to [TS]

00:48:27   do nothing except look like an idiot the [TS]

00:48:28   whole time which is great [TS]

00:48:30   while that actress you know what's [TS]

00:48:32   really going to crumble your cookie [TS]

00:48:33   later or whatever you know that that'll [TS]

00:48:35   take your noodle bake your noodle and [TS]

00:48:36   take your needle like it could get much [TS]

00:48:38   more baked but they were actually they [TS]

00:48:40   were sort of threading that throughout [TS]

00:48:42   the film and i like that they sort of [TS]

00:48:45   walked a fine line and said that you [TS]

00:48:47   don't necessarily need [TS]

00:48:48   to believe this but even at the [TS]

00:48:50   beginning the you know the turkey guy at [TS]

00:48:53   the beginning says you're my own [TS]

00:48:54   personal Jesus Christ and then you got [TS]

00:48:56   him you know flying away at the end he [TS]

00:48:58   he he's definitely some sort of you know [TS]

00:49:00   he dies christ-like superhero figure [TS]

00:49:03   rises again at least his name isn't like [TS]

00:49:05   John John John Carroll or something like [TS]

00:49:09   that it's like oh cincinnati another [TS]

00:49:12   joke anti in here is like the I believe [TS]

00:49:14   it's the end of the harbor Lord of the [TS]

00:49:16   Rings somewhere in the chair will tell [TS]

00:49:17   you where again all says to guess the [TS]

00:49:20   propagandist of the billboards sure you [TS]

00:49:21   don't disbelieve the prophecies just [TS]

00:49:23   because you had a part in bringing them [TS]

00:49:24   about again I'll speak thing is like [TS]

00:49:26   hopping out bubbles like them i did all [TS]

00:49:27   this stuff look what I did is like what [TS]

00:49:29   doesn't mean the prophecy wasn't true [TS]

00:49:30   just because you helped bring it about [TS]

00:49:31   you know you are two of the prophecy [TS]

00:49:33   versus being your own free agent again [TS]

00:49:35   often the Oracle would have some [TS]

00:49:36   disagreements about prophecy [TS]

00:49:37   well I mean that that's one of the [TS]

00:49:39   things that really tickled me the first [TS]

00:49:41   time i watch tattoo is again just seeing [TS]

00:49:43   all the little religious allegories and [TS]

00:49:45   little things they stuck in there and [TS]

00:49:47   not from any one particular religion [TS]

00:49:49   it's all over the place and and not [TS]

00:49:51   taken too seriously like the whole [TS]

00:49:52   oracle seen idea like actually is great [TS]

00:49:55   because more pieces so serious about it [TS]

00:49:57   and she totally the Oracle totally [TS]

00:49:59   diffuses it like this now yeah that's [TS]

00:50:01   not a serious with a cookie [TS]

00:50:02   have a cookie or not to parade have a [TS]

00:50:04   cook and just the fact that she [TS]

00:50:05   completely completely sober during your [TS]

00:50:07   expectations as being you know [TS]

00:50:08   oh my gosh we're going to see the Oracle [TS]

00:50:10   the Oracle the Oracle it's so exciting [TS]

00:50:12   and then you get there and she's just [TS]

00:50:13   this this cute little lady whose baking [TS]

00:50:16   cookies in a very nondescript department [TS]

00:50:18   and she lives in the in the brady bunch [TS]

00:50:20   of kitchen [TS]

00:50:21   mmm yeah and and she and she also [TS]

00:50:23   completely count contradicts Morpheus [TS]

00:50:25   right she's like now [TS]

00:50:26   sorry kid you're not the one which is [TS]

00:50:28   like oh what a relief Keanu is not the [TS]

00:50:30   one and they had like what did she tell [TS]

00:50:32   Morpheus she never actually said that [TS]

00:50:33   though it can I don't know exactly what [TS]

00:50:35   she said she never she just says kind of [TS]

00:50:37   like looks like you're waiting for [TS]

00:50:39   something yeah disappointment [TS]

00:50:40   yeah yeah I know it's great in and [TS]

00:50:43   that's so i can talk about like oh you [TS]

00:50:45   know there was a person before and all [TS]

00:50:47   that but I feel like that's the setup [TS]

00:50:48   right it's like we're supposed to buy [TS]

00:50:49   into Morpheus is create a super excited [TS]

00:50:52   it's like i finally this is my thing i [TS]

00:50:54   find the 1i finally found its really [TS]

00:50:56   awesome and then you go there and it's [TS]

00:50:57   like man don't get too excited about it [TS]

00:50:59   and then Morpheus doesn't want to hear [TS]

00:51:01   what he does [TS]

00:51:01   to hear about it like that don't tell me [TS]

00:51:03   what she told you know he's not a [TS]

00:51:04   resident I know it's awesome but you [TS]

00:51:07   can't tell me but it's super awesome [TS]

00:51:09   although I I again I have a note down [TS]

00:51:12   here is like is that who is the Oracle [TS]

00:51:13   issue program or something but i think [TS]

00:51:15   that's what the sequel's talk about and [TS]

00:51:17   it's it's sort of but i like i like that [TS]

00:51:19   anyway they leave the Oracle and we get [TS]

00:51:20   the we get the black cat who's the [TS]

00:51:22   glitch in the matrix which is every now [TS]

00:51:24   and then I see a black cat out in the [TS]

00:51:25   street and I'm like is that it is [TS]

00:51:26   glitching major Mason taboo makes me [TS]

00:51:30   paranoid [TS]

00:51:32   it's like when I pay my taxes i know [TS]

00:51:34   that never happens I don't think about [TS]

00:51:35   the matrix when I pay my taxes we [TS]

00:51:38   skipped over there is no spoon which you [TS]

00:51:40   know has become like a catchphrase [TS]

00:51:42   although at the time I was like yeah [TS]

00:51:43   there's weird kids with a with a spoon [TS]

00:51:46   because the whole training sequence and [TS]

00:51:47   stuff to that goes on before that oh [TS]

00:51:49   yeah i should say i know kung foo way I [TS]

00:51:51   sorry I skipped right over that which is [TS]

00:51:52   the instant the instant learning of my [TS]

00:51:54   favorites and great seemingly yeah the [TS]

00:51:55   whole interesting concept and the end [TS]

00:51:58   there in the white room and they're [TS]

00:51:59   doing their they're training and that's [TS]

00:52:00   that's you really like your virtual [TS]

00:52:02   reality movie and this is that I think I [TS]

00:52:04   looked it up i think crashing height [TS]

00:52:06   tiger hidden dragon came up and the [TS]

00:52:08   following year in 2000's so I think this [TS]

00:52:10   is the first movie I really saw with [TS]

00:52:12   extensive wirework and this style of [TS]

00:52:14   fighting as somebody who didn't see a [TS]

00:52:16   lot of Hong Kong action movies or [TS]

00:52:18   anything like that it's a very it's it's [TS]

00:52:20   the same choreographer [TS]

00:52:22   yeah so we've seen it we've seen it [TS]

00:52:23   sense but at the time I was like whoa [TS]

00:52:25   this is not like anything I think me and [TS]

00:52:27   a lot of Western audiences never seen in [TS]

00:52:29   terms of fighting but not just the [TS]

00:52:31   action like they did the genre of like [TS]

00:52:32   the the kungfu movie you'd see like in [TS]

00:52:35   the afternoon of saturday mornings when [TS]

00:52:36   we were kids you know your ground with [TS]

00:52:37   the wirework makes it more impressive [TS]

00:52:39   but the basic premise of like Oh your [TS]

00:52:40   master and student being taught stop [TS]

00:52:42   trying to hit me and hit me like that [TS]

00:52:44   fits in any concrete movie I watched her [TS]

00:52:46   grow the karate don't need you don't [TS]

00:52:48   need virtual reality you don't need wire [TS]

00:52:49   foods just like and that's the great [TS]

00:52:51   thing about these movies with virtual [TS]

00:52:52   realities within them [TS]

00:52:54   you can have as many small jar movies as [TS]

00:52:55   you want it's not the hallowed XO [TS]

00:52:57   they're not going to be like detectives [TS]

00:52:58   in the forties but like they could be I [TS]

00:53:00   wanted so right in the middle of this [TS]

00:53:01   movie they had a tiny masters student [TS]

00:53:04   training sequence in which the student [TS]

00:53:05   has to believe it fails and he tries to [TS]

00:53:07   do the jump and that's that just tickles [TS]

00:53:09   me that you can you can just mix another [TS]

00:53:11   genres that movie and they would go on [TS]

00:53:13   to movies later to squander that Prime [TS]

00:53:15   despite not using it again that's kind [TS]

00:53:17   of the genius of the film that that they [TS]

00:53:18   can really do whatever it is that they [TS]

00:53:20   want because they're in the matrix so [TS]

00:53:21   they can they can massage in any way I [TS]

00:53:23   have to say I don't like action [TS]

00:53:25   sequences that's one of the things that [TS]

00:53:27   I'm kind of well known for amongst my [TS]

00:53:28   friends I think they're boring i can't [TS]

00:53:30   stand fight scenes and gunfights and car [TS]

00:53:32   chases and all that kind of stuff but I [TS]

00:53:34   love almost every single action sequence [TS]

00:53:36   in this film and I was thinking about it [TS]

00:53:38   today and I think I realized why it's [TS]

00:53:39   because i don't like action movies [TS]

00:53:42   well I like action sequences but i do [TS]

00:53:44   like dance movies whether it be from [TS]

00:53:46   like Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers back [TS]

00:53:48   in the forties or something obnoxious [TS]

00:53:50   you know with you know stupid got served [TS]

00:53:54   to the west side story must be your [TS]

00:53:56   favorite movie [TS]

00:53:57   actually can you believe don't musicals [TS]

00:53:59   but I think like what you know like [TS]

00:54:01   center stage or save the last dance was [TS]

00:54:04   really you know bad ones and I feel like [TS]

00:54:06   I feel like the action sequences were [TS]

00:54:08   almost Bell leick I mean we be with the [TS]

00:54:11   wire work with the slow motion with the [TS]

00:54:13   easy interesting camera movements and [TS]

00:54:15   they're very personal it's you know [TS]

00:54:17   especially the training secrets One it's [TS]

00:54:19   one-on-one and I was just riveted I [TS]

00:54:22   think this is the first movie that I was [TS]

00:54:23   ever that into the action of it it's [TS]

00:54:26   like the princess bride or Empire [TS]

00:54:28   Strikes Back where there is a there is a [TS]

00:54:30   story going on between two characters in [TS]

00:54:33   the fight scene is the way in which they [TS]

00:54:34   express that story rather than just like [TS]

00:54:36   I hate you I hate you we will have [TS]

00:54:38   conflict in victorville like not let up [TS]

00:54:40   there is there is a scene that takes [TS]

00:54:42   place during the fight and the fighting [TS]

00:54:44   is the backdrop for you know how how [TS]

00:54:46   they progress in their understanding of [TS]

00:54:48   each other or whatever and that the [TS]

00:54:49   action scenes that people get bored as [TS]

00:54:50   there is nothing going on there is no [TS]

00:54:53   there is no story to be told there is no [TS]

00:54:55   you don't even need to necessarily have [TS]

00:54:56   dialogue but there's just nothing like [TS]

00:54:57   we said the premises guys hate each [TS]

00:54:59   other one guy maybe one guys chasing and [TS]

00:55:02   one guys running away or vice versa or [TS]

00:55:04   they're going to fight each other until [TS]

00:55:05   someone's dead and then it just plays [TS]

00:55:07   out and that's boring versus you know [TS]

00:55:08   the princess bride duel or the end of [TS]

00:55:10   empire strikes back with his story [TS]

00:55:12   element going on during the fight well [TS]

00:55:15   and also if you watch every action [TS]

00:55:18   sequence in the matrix breaks the rules [TS]

00:55:21   of action sequences it it sort of [TS]

00:55:23   assumes that you know the genre it [TS]

00:55:25   assumes that you know how this is [TS]

00:55:27   supposed to work [TS]

00:55:28   and then oh my god she can fly through a [TS]

00:55:30   window [TS]

00:55:31   oh my god we didn't know she could do [TS]

00:55:33   that or you know they can fling each [TS]

00:55:35   other by the the ankles and you know [TS]

00:55:37   throw them across the room and you know [TS]

00:55:40   every one of those action sequences [TS]

00:55:42   breaks the clichés of what should [TS]

00:55:44   happen or they did at the time that not [TS]

00:55:47   so much anymore right [TS]

00:55:48   that's true in comic books one of the [TS]

00:55:50   most boring things boring conventions is [TS]

00:55:53   heroes meet and then they fight each [TS]

00:55:55   other and then they realize that they're [TS]

00:55:56   on the same side it may stop fighting [TS]

00:55:58   but they have to fight because you've [TS]

00:56:00   got to have that moment where it's like [TS]

00:56:01   boy was an awesome with when Thor and [TS]

00:56:03   Iron Man fought each other before they [TS]

00:56:05   realize they were friends [TS]

00:56:07   well so that the fight scene between [TS]

00:56:08   Morpheus and neo in the matrix [TS]

00:56:11   I mean it's training right so it's the [TS]

00:56:13   same kind of thing and and i always find [TS]

00:56:15   those things really boring to absolutely [TS]

00:56:17   and and that that helps this too is that [TS]

00:56:20   you're so caught up in the xhilaration [TS]

00:56:22   of of neo learning kung foo and having [TS]

00:56:26   this fight that is its of a kind that [TS]

00:56:29   you have probably haven't seen before [TS]

00:56:30   that it doesn't matter that it it's all [TS]

00:56:33   not not real not only in the sense that [TS]

00:56:35   it's not real because it's in virtual [TS]

00:56:36   reality but not real in the sense that [TS]

00:56:38   they're just sparring and there are no [TS]

00:56:40   stakes and it doesn't matter [TS]

00:56:42   the stakes are will kneel learn exactly [TS]

00:56:44   like that he's not he's not teaching him [TS]

00:56:46   coming for his teaching them he's trying [TS]

00:56:48   to like that's a proxy teaching the [TS]

00:56:50   audience because like he's trying to [TS]

00:56:52   bring the audience the audience who has [TS]

00:56:53   not yet caught up and taunting me with [TS]

00:56:55   lack of understanding even though you [TS]

00:56:57   know intellectually understand it [TS]

00:56:58   doesn't really understand that's the [TS]

00:56:59   type of thing that we're at the audience [TS]

00:57:01   mean to actually understand how to [TS]

00:57:02   measure for us but they don't believe it [TS]

00:57:03   a root level so when Morpheus talks Neon [TS]

00:57:05   says you think that's air you're [TS]

00:57:07   breathing when he's like out of breath [TS]

00:57:08   like just had trying to have her home [TS]

00:57:11   like you don't understand you're not [TS]

00:57:13   actually here even though it looks like [TS]

00:57:14   you are you know the scene looks like a [TS]

00:57:16   kung fu seen you are not actually here [TS]

00:57:18   and neyo can't get it because his stump [TS]

00:57:20   and a lot of the audience has it hasn't [TS]

00:57:23   quite internalize that either you know [TS]

00:57:25   it was like we know like maybe like okay [TS]

00:57:27   I understand this is a simulation but [TS]

00:57:28   during the action you caught up with it [TS]

00:57:30   you like I wonder if he's gonna fight [TS]

00:57:32   that wait a second why are they why they [TS]

00:57:33   even fighting at all why why is there [TS]

00:57:35   any conflict always right well i think [TS]

00:57:37   that the payoff at the end or Italy News [TS]

00:57:39   live [TS]

00:57:39   you know we'll get to it but it is what [TS]

00:57:41   why are we fighting each other by [TS]

00:57:42   hitting each other makes no sense [TS]

00:57:44   stop the conflict value is is ratcheted [TS]

00:57:46   up a little bit because you are then [TS]

00:57:48   joined by the other characters on the [TS]

00:57:50   ship you know [TS]

00:57:51   Morpheus is fighting neo and like you [TS]

00:57:53   know switch jumps over the trees oh man [TS]

00:57:56   it's like this [TS]

00:57:58   the gathering around great fighter [TS]

00:57:59   cabinet in the arcade there [TS]

00:58:02   yeah or or or mr. Spock and dr. McCoy [TS]

00:58:04   watching Captain Kirk fight the Gordon [TS]

00:58:06   but I'm very old anyway I was real Jason [TS]

00:58:10   22 comments on Neos training regimen [TS]

00:58:13   first of all if you want to keep the new [TS]

00:58:15   guys from freaking out when they learn [TS]

00:58:17   what the matrix is you might be [TS]

00:58:18   well-served not to drop them in the [TS]

00:58:20   middle of a wasteland and a heavy lines [TS]

00:58:22   on them like welcome to the desert of [TS]

00:58:24   the real Morpheus lives for that though [TS]

00:58:28   you know I'm Orpheus's his theatrical [TS]

00:58:31   underneath the surface yeah he's [TS]

00:58:33   theatrical and dramatic and very excited [TS]

00:58:35   about prophecies and he's like I'm gonna [TS]

00:58:37   be the right I'm gonna be that guy [TS]

00:58:39   that's my job i'm gonna let me in that [TS]

00:58:41   guy but at the same time he has to [TS]

00:58:43   apologize to him later because they [TS]

00:58:45   don't pull guys out of the matrix when [TS]

00:58:46   they're over a certain age because they [TS]

00:58:48   react poorly and writing he would know [TS]

00:58:49   that before doing this baby a moment to [TS]

00:58:51   hold this time to begin the training see [TS]

00:58:54   this is Morpheus babying him you should [TS]

00:58:56   see what he does to those kids [TS]

00:58:57   boo so i wanna i want to talk about when [TS]

00:59:02   Joey pants cipher makes his move and [TS]

00:59:06   they get to the room with the telephone [TS]

00:59:09   to get a get out of the matrix and he [TS]

00:59:12   cuts them off and he and he starts [TS]

00:59:14   killing people because this is this is a [TS]

00:59:17   i like i like this scene but it is a [TS]

00:59:19   terrifying horrible scene at but i think [TS]

00:59:24   very powerful and this is the moment [TS]

00:59:25   where we get ultimately the you know is [TS]

00:59:29   the prophecy full of crap that you know [TS]

00:59:31   do with was what the what the Oracle [TS]

00:59:33   said you know what she suggested the new [TS]

00:59:36   is the one and is Morpheus making a [TS]

00:59:38   terrible mistake here and but in the [TS]

00:59:40   run-up to that we do get this you know [TS]

00:59:42   it awful and yet kind of quiet and and [TS]

00:59:46   and beautiful in a strange way scene [TS]

00:59:48   where the people are being unplugged out [TS]

00:59:51   in the ship but in the [TS]

00:59:53   in the building they're just kind of [TS]

00:59:55   falling to the ground and it'sit's [TS]

00:59:56   horrifying and yet in a way that is very [TS]

00:59:59   different [TS]

00:59:59   different [TS]

01:00:00   from again as somebody who doesn't [TS]

01:00:02   really appreciate seeing people get kind [TS]

01:00:03   of mowed down by a hail of bullets [TS]

01:00:06   this is a I think it's more awful and [TS]

01:00:08   terrifying and memorable that these [TS]

01:00:10   people just fall down dead as the voice [TS]

01:00:14   on the other end of the line is talking [TS]

01:00:16   to trinity about what he's doing it's a [TS]

01:00:17   it's a really powerful scene that has [TS]

01:00:20   stuck with me and particularly bit worse [TS]

01:00:22   which turns and says not like this [TS]

01:00:24   oh yeah oh my god as i said before this [TS]

01:00:26   is not a film about character [TS]

01:00:27   development and I think this machine is [TS]

01:00:29   one of the few real emotional beats we [TS]

01:00:31   get in this film and I think it stands [TS]

01:00:33   out all the more because of it because [TS]

01:00:35   the rest of the film is it more about [TS]

01:00:36   sort of the story in the doings and less [TS]

01:00:39   about the feelings it's finally they get [TS]

01:00:41   to the point where they think most of [TS]

01:00:42   the audience understands the separation [TS]

01:00:44   and then they have somebody kill [TS]

01:00:45   somebody in the really real world for [TS]

01:00:47   realsies right and then and hammering [TS]

01:00:50   home the point that when you go into the [TS]

01:00:51   matrix you give up agency of your actual [TS]

01:00:53   physical body the one that counts like [TS]

01:00:55   all this playing in the matrix and all [TS]

01:00:57   these skills that you have in the way [TS]

01:00:58   you're dressed there and all the [TS]

01:00:59   fanciness while you're doing that you [TS]

01:01:01   can't stop him from unplugging your head [TS]

01:01:03   because you're there and because of the [TS]

01:01:04   rules of the things you gotta get to the [TS]

01:01:05   landline and everything so they you know [TS]

01:01:08   it's kind of like they're now stranded [TS]

01:01:09   like they've just you know it's the [TS]

01:01:11   ghost or and and locking key right [TS]

01:01:13   they've they've separated their body [TS]

01:01:15   still exists there but they're not in [TS]

01:01:17   control of it anymore it doesn't really [TS]

01:01:18   do anything that should technically kill [TS]

01:01:20   the missions that their consciousness is [TS]

01:01:21   no longer attached to their body and [TS]

01:01:23   then he disconnects the to write so I [TS]

01:01:24   once they were so powerful being able to [TS]

01:01:26   do all this wire food inside the matrix [TS]

01:01:28   but really they're content i early [TS]

01:01:30   powerless because their bodies are in [TS]

01:01:31   these chairs and they're in their [TS]

01:01:32   terrible target sweatpants got a second [TS]

01:01:37   we must talk about the target sweat but [TS]

01:01:39   my wife is emitter and she actually [TS]

01:01:41   noticed this time something she'd it [TS]

01:01:42   wasn't a knitter in 1999 she's like wow [TS]

01:01:45   in the future [TS]

01:01:46   they've got all of this distressed [TS]

01:01:47   knitting and his birth that was [TS]

01:01:49   everywhere and it's weird because [TS]

01:01:50   they've got a machine that can knit [TS]

01:01:51   human muscle but they can't put together [TS]

01:01:53   a decent sweatshirt it's because the [TS]

01:01:56   machine is working on muscles yeah yeah [TS]

01:01:58   that the the muscle machine works but [TS]

01:02:00   the knitting machines on the fritz [TS]

01:02:03   it's hard to get good cotton in the [TS]

01:02:04   desert of the real they actually had to [TS]

01:02:07   take the knitting the shirt knitting [TS]

01:02:08   machine and you know to jack it up to [TS]

01:02:11   work on muscles because the original [TS]

01:02:12   muscle machine broke [TS]

01:02:14   yeah only the only the only knitting [TS]

01:02:16   machine and in the future is in zion and [TS]

01:02:18   it's hard to get stuff from zion i guess [TS]

01:02:21   but shipping is a bitch [TS]

01:02:23   yeah I like it though I like I like that [TS]

01:02:25   I like the art direction and in the [TS]

01:02:27   other world but the fact that it's you [TS]

01:02:29   know if this movie were made today after [TS]

01:02:30   after like traffic came out i think the [TS]

01:02:32   film grade would be much more aggressive [TS]

01:02:34   i think not to get too morbid movie [TS]

01:02:36   nerdy but like it would be even bluer [TS]

01:02:39   and colder and an even warmer inside the [TS]

01:02:42   matrix than it already is but I i like [TS]

01:02:44   that it looks different and it feels [TS]

01:02:46   different and it really is crappy and [TS]

01:02:47   that helps you understand kind of the [TS]

01:02:50   motivation of of Joey pants I think more [TS]

01:02:52   than the desert of the real have seen [TS]

01:02:54   well it is not successfully just starts [TS]

01:02:57   out here they did green in the matrix [TS]

01:02:59   right is very off-putting and I think [TS]

01:03:01   they did ramp it up like this now when i [TS]

01:03:02   watched like boy they really green it up [TS]

01:03:04   in the matrix didn't I suppose you're [TS]

01:03:06   right be be off-putting like it looks [TS]

01:03:08   different but it's also it looks it [TS]

01:03:10   looks a little bit on the wrong yeah why [TS]

01:03:12   is it green [TS]

01:03:13   that's that's actually one of my [TS]

01:03:14   favorite parts of the film just how [TS]

01:03:15   completely stylized and immersive it is [TS]

01:03:18   you get you know that the greenish [TS]

01:03:20   yellow versus the blue and the matrix [TS]

01:03:22   feels very almost nor you've got a lot [TS]

01:03:24   of rain and thunder and these tall [TS]

01:03:26   buildings and and the phones we keep [TS]

01:03:27   talking about the phones or another [TS]

01:03:29   thing you see and you know detective [TS]

01:03:30   movies and stuff and then on the other [TS]

01:03:32   side it feels so different not only does [TS]

01:03:34   it look different but it just has this [TS]

01:03:36   sort of like you just feel damp watching [TS]

01:03:38   it like it's just like I'm you get cold [TS]

01:03:41   yeah it's unpleasant it'sit's you should [TS]

01:03:43   be excited like who were on a hovercraft [TS]

01:03:45   in the future things should be awesome [TS]

01:03:46   now and it's not it's it's it's great [TS]

01:03:49   it's dirty and crappy and they're kind [TS]

01:03:51   of food they're interviewers yeah then [TS]

01:03:53   welding stuff together and it's a and [TS]

01:03:55   bad knitting distress knitting in the [TS]

01:03:57   future killed so so it's everything is [TS]

01:03:59   you know the future is here and it's [TS]

01:04:01   terrible it's got the end of the alien / [TS]

01:04:03   you know star wars / the abyss kind of [TS]

01:04:07   dirty grim future and i think that like [TS]

01:04:09   they're they're shipped a little [TS]

01:04:10   hardship is a cool-looking ship and it's [TS]

01:04:12   interesting that the most futuristic [TS]

01:04:14   things in the movie [TS]

01:04:15   you're not inside the matrix because [TS]

01:04:17   that's just plain old 1999 with you know [TS]

01:04:19   with agents but outside there's the [TS]

01:04:21   possibility of really cool stuff like [TS]

01:04:23   that you know the the body called The [TS]

01:04:24   Sentinel squid the Sentinels they look [TS]

01:04:26   really cool this looks really cool like [TS]

01:04:28   the you know inside the matrix anything [TS]

01:04:30   can happen killing machine designed for [TS]

01:04:32   one thing and that one thing is search [TS]

01:04:35   and destroy a student there pretty good [TS]

01:04:39   they're pretty like they're scary and [TS]

01:04:40   intimidating and you know and menacing [TS]

01:04:43   also you started out by calling it a [TS]

01:04:44   killing machine [TS]

01:04:45   wouldn't that be the one thing for [TS]

01:04:48   killing so also somebody in the chatroom [TS]

01:04:50   points out and I did not know this but [TS]

01:04:52   he says newer dvds of the matrix have [TS]

01:04:54   actually ramped up the film grade to [TS]

01:04:57   match the film great in the sequels and [TS]

01:04:59   that originally it wasn't quite as green [TS]

01:05:00   which I didn't I don't know if that's [TS]

01:05:02   true or not because an interesting idea [TS]

01:05:04   of that could explain why with a greener [TS]

01:05:05   didn't even ison yeah i just i suppose I [TS]

01:05:08   you know I i suppose what I was [TS]

01:05:09   expecting it will now that we live in a [TS]

01:05:11   world where there's so much aggressive [TS]

01:05:13   film film grading in movies color color [TS]

01:05:16   shifts that the the real world would be [TS]

01:05:19   much more aggressively kind of cold and [TS]

01:05:22   the matrix would be more warm and really [TS]

01:05:24   but instead its your right it's sort of [TS]

01:05:25   like you can go into our weird cold [TS]

01:05:27   green world or are weird cold blue [TS]

01:05:29   oh and there's no comfort zone in either [TS]

01:05:32   place and maybe that's maybe that's what [TS]

01:05:34   they intended [TS]

01:05:35   they didn't find anything out like it i [TS]

01:05:37   think about traffic when I think about [TS]

01:05:39   this even before like 300 remember the [TS]

01:05:40   movie traffic like yeah where they just [TS]

01:05:42   blew it out with like it's almost like a [TS]

01:05:45   black-and-white movie with yellow and [TS]

01:05:46   just huge film grain know the reason [TS]

01:05:49   we're in Mexico ever know i think i [TS]

01:05:50   mentioned traffic a couple minutes ago [TS]

01:05:52   that mean that was the start of the over [TS]

01:05:54   south of the border everything is yellow [TS]

01:05:56   now right it's just like the film grade [TS]

01:05:58   became the storytelling yeah and they do [TS]

01:06:01   that you know to lesser extent in [TS]

01:06:03   individual scenes when you're showing [TS]

01:06:04   war footage of stuff like that better [TS]

01:06:06   then and they culminate something like [TS]

01:06:08   300 words like okay this isn't actually [TS]

01:06:10   you know this is a painting [TS]

01:06:12   yeah every every frame has been [TS]

01:06:13   photoshopped or or sin city you know [TS]

01:06:15   whatever [TS]

01:06:15   alright so so they they're moving ahead [TS]

01:06:18   they decide so so I'm Morpheus has been [TS]

01:06:21   taken by agent smith yes because for [TS]

01:06:24   some reason the leader of every ship is [TS]

01:06:25   given coach designs mainframe mainframe [TS]

01:06:27   they're still using meter through [TS]

01:06:29   supposed to turn your brain off by this [TS]

01:06:31   Barford everybody just can't handle it [TS]

01:06:33   for its own safety you should have hid [TS]

01:06:35   away [TS]

01:06:35   is there a moment where bliss and [TS]

01:06:37   somebody goes click like I'm in like [TS]

01:06:40   willow and buffy the vampire slayer it's [TS]

01:06:41   like every hacker scene ever [TS]

01:06:43   i'm in i'm into the secret mainframe of [TS]

01:06:46   never mind anyway so they get Morpheus [TS]

01:06:48   and what this means is that they can set [TS]

01:06:50   up this thing where we're supposed to [TS]

01:06:52   abandon Morpheus neo is the one more [TS]

01:06:53   fees and important anymore he's [TS]

01:06:54   fulfilled its purpose is found the one [TS]

01:06:56   and and that makes me so no I'm gonna go [TS]

01:06:59   get I'm gonna go get Morpheus and he [TS]

01:07:02   gets lots of guns and they say nobody's [TS]

01:07:04   ever done this before my work [TS]

01:07:07   yeah and we get that we get the [TS]

01:07:08   interplay where there's i really like [TS]

01:07:10   but I think they're to interrogation [TS]

01:07:12   intercut scenes between Smith and [TS]

01:07:14   Morpheus were more pieces tied to the [TS]

01:07:16   chair and I i mentioned it earlier i [TS]

01:07:18   love the I hate this place [TS]

01:07:20   it's the smell and he says I fear I've [TS]

01:07:23   been infected by it which i really like [TS]

01:07:25   it's like maybe these agents are getting [TS]

01:07:27   worse because they're getting more like [TS]

01:07:28   us i love that like that he says it's [TS]

01:07:30   the smell if there even is such a thing [TS]

01:07:33   yeah he touches his sweat and gets it on [TS]

01:07:35   his hand and he smells it the blow and [TS]

01:07:38   we are we're spared the terrible [TS]

01:07:40   dialogue that would have existed if they [TS]

01:07:41   had Morpheus arguing with them you'll [TS]

01:07:43   never get anything for me what is [TS]

01:07:44   marvelous do the whole scene looks like [TS]

01:07:45   he's basically all these I having a [TS]

01:07:47   stroke [TS]

01:07:48   yes which is which is the best we could [TS]

01:07:50   hope for there are no fortune cookies [TS]

01:07:51   for a situation like this because you [TS]

01:07:53   can't have him like arguing i will never [TS]

01:07:55   Bend here with like that would be [TS]

01:07:57   terrible it's my wise man remained as [TS]

01:07:59   sido wheezing you know do is sort of [TS]

01:08:01   soliloquy wiping the sweat off his face [TS]

01:08:04   with his fingers like that's that's what [TS]

01:08:06   makes that scene [TS]

01:08:07   yeah he's got mercury running through [TS]

01:08:09   his veins at that point so he's kind of [TS]

01:08:10   busy trying to just keep it together [TS]

01:08:12   yeah yeah exactly but I love that I love [TS]

01:08:14   that so that this is the moment this is [TS]

01:08:16   for Agent Smith to shine where we see [TS]

01:08:18   that he's he's he has this great disdain [TS]

01:08:22   not just for humans but for the matrix [TS]

01:08:24   itself like I don't want to be here i [TS]

01:08:26   want to get out of here get me the codes [TS]

01:08:28   to the mainframe and I can leave you [TS]

01:08:30   stupid humans and your stinky stinky [TS]

01:08:32   matrix behind it's great but the guns [TS]

01:08:36   the guns think so this is I remember um [TS]

01:08:38   first time I saw this I i think the [TS]

01:08:41   Roger Ebert review of this is fairly [TS]

01:08:42   positive [TS]

01:08:43   he mentions that all the street names or [TS]

01:08:44   chicago street names and and at one [TS]

01:08:46   point one of the intersections in the [TS]

01:08:48   movie that's mentioned is where the [TS]

01:08:50   movie theater is that he saw the movie [TS]

01:08:51   while they were watching it needs like [TS]

01:08:53   half expected them to run into the movie [TS]

01:08:55   theater during this but he died i [TS]

01:08:57   believe it's the ebert review that says [TS]

01:08:59   for a movie that's so innovative in so [TS]

01:09:02   many things the fact that there's this [TS]

01:09:04   large section at the climax of the movie [TS]

01:09:05   that is just a spray of hundreds and [TS]

01:09:08   hundreds of bullets and exploding like [TS]

01:09:11   marble in the especially in the lobby [TS]

01:09:13   I think that I and I agree that I think [TS]

01:09:15   that scene is the weakest scene in the [TS]

01:09:17   movie I i think it was really my [TS]

01:09:20   favorite line and I think it's boring i [TS]

01:09:22   think i think that there is a lot of [TS]

01:09:24   dancing I feel really bad about I I feel [TS]

01:09:26   really bad about the security guards are [TS]

01:09:28   they real people who are dying in their [TS]

01:09:30   little goo pods or are they just they [TS]

01:09:32   are better than one layer tear your [TS]

01:09:34   earlier in the movie they're part of the [TS]

01:09:35   program Jason you're not supposed to [TS]

01:09:37   feel bad for them no I don't know any [TS]

01:09:39   single one of them could turn into an [TS]

01:09:41   injury-time so the idea is to kill as [TS]

01:09:43   many as fast as possible suggestion that [TS]

01:09:46   seems too gentle on you long for me [TS]

01:09:48   acceptable losses etc that's a second [TS]

01:09:51   comic book reference and i love the [TS]

01:09:52   vodka i love the beginning yeah i know [TS]

01:09:54   i'm impressed I'm impressed John um I i [TS]

01:09:57   love the beginning [TS]

01:09:58   we're putting the bag full of guns and [TS]

01:10:01   the metal detector that is wonderful [TS]

01:10:03   that is wonderful i just feel like that [TS]

01:10:04   the slow-motion the you know shells [TS]

01:10:07   falling to the floor the entire lobby is [TS]

01:10:10   demolished and then they get in I feel [TS]

01:10:11   like it goes on too long and it's not [TS]

01:10:13   that there are way more interesting [TS]

01:10:15   action sequences in it so that's my [TS]

01:10:16   smile even disagree go for it [TS]

01:10:19   like I said I guess I usually don't like [TS]

01:10:21   action scenes at all and for some reason [TS]

01:10:23   there's something about this one in [TS]

01:10:25   particular that was just always my [TS]

01:10:26   favorite this the scene was almost one [TS]

01:10:28   of the main reasons I kept going back to [TS]

01:10:30   see the movie again and again because I [TS]

01:10:31   wanted to see each piece of this it and [TS]

01:10:35   I think sound for this particular scene [TS]

01:10:37   has a lot to do with it [TS]

01:10:38   the music and the sound mixing like you [TS]

01:10:42   mentioned that the shells falling to the [TS]

01:10:43   oh yeah i mean they just a tinkle it was [TS]

01:10:45   just this sweet music and you know on [TS]

01:10:49   this backdrop of you know hard-driving [TS]

01:10:51   whatever propellerheads or something [TS]

01:10:53   song in the background and it [TS]

01:10:55   it to me it really does kind of read [TS]

01:10:57   more like a dance number an action [TS]

01:10:59   sequence so for heroes are you [TS]

01:11:01   well I mean when he starts doing like [TS]

01:11:04   cartwheel kind of stuff it is [TS]

01:11:06   yeah essentially essentially that I yeah [TS]

01:11:09   okay well they found they found a [TS]

01:11:11   material like the pillars the pillars I [TS]

01:11:12   think you're supposed to be made of [TS]

01:11:13   marble but they look like they're made [TS]

01:11:15   of like a compressed newspaper [TS]

01:11:17   insulation or something and it makes [TS]

01:11:19   reading [TS]

01:11:20   yeah it makes for visually interesting [TS]

01:11:22   things happening during the scene even [TS]

01:11:25   before people start flipping around like [TS]

01:11:27   they have the long trench coats is kind [TS]

01:11:28   of a cliché like that it became more [TS]

01:11:30   efficient at the long trench coat shells [TS]

01:11:32   falling to the ground a lot of this is [TS]

01:11:33   from anime a lot of a lot of the things [TS]

01:11:35   you see in this movie had been you know [TS]

01:11:36   clichés anime for years and years [TS]

01:11:38   before I and it's a fight sequence that [TS]

01:11:41   had things going on [TS]

01:11:43   visually there were different than most [TS]

01:11:44   fight sequences that it's been seen up [TS]

01:11:46   to that point and then would become very [TS]

01:11:48   common afterwards it does go on maybe a [TS]

01:11:50   little bit long [TS]

01:11:51   I but there is no like because the enemy [TS]

01:11:54   is faceless there is no story happening [TS]

01:11:58   during this thing is merely they want to [TS]

01:12:00   continue their progression to get up two [TS]

01:12:02   or more fuses and these faces people [TS]

01:12:04   want to stop them they're gonna make it [TS]

01:12:06   through they're either going to make it [TS]

01:12:07   through or they're not and so it's not [TS]

01:12:09   as interesting as you know the training [TS]

01:12:10   scene where there's something happening [TS]

01:12:11   with the characters I i kinda because [TS]

01:12:14   you don't think there's a security guard [TS]

01:12:15   going but I was two days for production [TS]

01:12:18   right does not no no comedy relief it's [TS]

01:12:20   taken very seriously you know I think [TS]

01:12:22   maybe I found this to be sort of [TS]

01:12:24   transport ivann a sheerly aesthetic [TS]

01:12:26   level visually because yeah and that's [TS]

01:12:29   that's really something that's either [TS]

01:12:30   going to hit you or it's not so I can [TS]

01:12:32   completely understand why this would not [TS]

01:12:33   be your favorite scene in this movie but [TS]

01:12:35   I mean I almost wish I did drugs so that [TS]

01:12:38   I could just get high and watch that [TS]

01:12:40   scene over and over again because i feel [TS]

01:12:42   like that would make it even cooler if [TS]

01:12:44   you'd be better off watching Crouching [TS]

01:12:45   Tiger i think doing this andrea yeah I [TS]

01:12:48   do need to see that at some point [TS]

01:12:49   are you definitely need 20 yeah yeah [TS]

01:12:52   there's so much there's so much I don't [TS]

01:12:54   know maybe it's just a reaction the guns [TS]

01:12:55   but you know all this come through and [TS]

01:12:58   yet you're just going to kind of open up [TS]

01:12:59   with the spray bullets and I don't know [TS]

01:13:01   if there's something about it that just [TS]

01:13:02   it doesn't doesn't excite me so much as [TS]

01:13:05   the other action scenes in the movie but [TS]

01:13:07   I get it certainly is indelible mr [TS]

01:13:08   remember every every single shot in that [TS]

01:13:11   scene [TS]

01:13:12   absolutely and the quiet and the silence [TS]

01:13:15   at the end right and that's a little [TS]

01:13:16   comedy when like it all ends and you [TS]

01:13:18   realize that you've certainly what just [TS]

01:13:19   happened and other little piece of [TS]

01:13:20   charcoal Marvel's also yeah yeah the [TS]

01:13:22   elevator opens and yeah he picks up the [TS]

01:13:25   duffel bag drops the gun turned on his [TS]

01:13:26   heel and walks to the elevator [TS]

01:13:28   yeah and then he says there is no spoon [TS]

01:13:29   and blows up the elevator for no reason [TS]

01:13:31   no no he blows up the ground floor so [TS]

01:13:34   that they can't send any reinforcements [TS]

01:13:36   up higher into the building that's why [TS]

01:13:37   they do that is they bloody [TS]

01:13:38   reinforcements they've already taken [TS]

01:13:39   haha well the rest of the matrix right [TS]

01:13:41   there still everybody else in the matrix [TS]

01:13:43   except at the subway station which is [TS]

01:13:44   totally abandoned but we'll get to that [TS]

01:13:46   in a second but yeah that's that's the [TS]

01:13:48   rationale so that so then they get up on [TS]

01:13:50   the roof because that's where you go and [TS]

01:13:52   they take out the guys on the roof and [TS]

01:13:53   there's that amazing bullet-time stuff [TS]

01:13:55   which again like I said it's like more [TS]

01:13:57   thing where like morphing and terminator [TS]

01:13:59   2 is like well what's going on and then [TS]

01:14:01   it was in every commercial and it was in [TS]

01:14:02   Michael Jackson videos and all these [TS]

01:14:04   other things that was much less [TS]

01:14:05   interesting then this is like that where [TS]

01:14:07   the bullet time stuff [TS]

01:14:09   this was so groundbreaking when it was [TS]

01:14:11   done and now it's like not that exciting [TS]

01:14:13   but that it's still really nice to see [TS]

01:14:15   that scene where you know he's [TS]

01:14:17   essentially what would it be like if you [TS]

01:14:18   could dodge bullets like this is what it [TS]

01:14:20   would be like and then when it's all [TS]

01:14:21   said and done [TS]

01:14:22   he's laying on the ground and she says [TS]

01:14:24   how'd you do that mr. Crowe you know i [TS]

01:14:26   got it made a hole in my in my jacket so [TS]

01:14:29   I didn't do it good enough right it's [TS]

01:14:31   great it's great but it's been done now [TS]

01:14:33   to death [TS]

01:14:34   yeah actually i just watched this a [TS]

01:14:36   couple months ago with my spouse and he [TS]

01:14:38   had never seen it before and I just the [TS]

01:14:42   movie did not have the same punch for [TS]

01:14:44   him because he has seen all of the the [TS]

01:14:48   things that have sort of try to redo it [TS]

01:14:50   in most cases not as well this is the [TS]

01:14:52   first one of those 90 and I can he said [TS]

01:14:55   he said I know I tried to keep that in [TS]

01:14:57   my head and if i had seen this at the [TS]

01:15:00   time I probably would have affected me [TS]

01:15:02   more but so he cerebral hehe was able to [TS]

01:15:04   understand that it was cool but it just [TS]

01:15:06   didn't affect him on a gut level dodging [TS]

01:15:09   the bullets one works story wise though [TS]

01:15:10   even though they linger on the effect [TS]

01:15:12   longer than they need to for modern [TS]

01:15:13   audiences because we're not that [TS]

01:15:14   impressed by the fact that it [TS]

01:15:16   spontaneously occurs to him to attempt [TS]

01:15:18   to do this and that he doesn't quite do [TS]

01:15:20   it right and you [TS]

01:15:21   almost gets shot anyway and doesn't [TS]

01:15:23   can't explain why he did it is nice and [TS]

01:15:25   yeah it's in better than you know like [TS]

01:15:28   I'm suddenly imagine like this is a nice [TS]

01:15:30   ramp for him from being the doofus to [TS]

01:15:32   being the guy who puts up his hand at [TS]

01:15:33   the end of the movement and she says you [TS]

01:15:35   you move like them and we when we see [TS]

01:15:37   that move its not understandable it's [TS]

01:15:39   like they got three heads or four arms [TS]

01:15:41   in their half [TS]

01:15:42   opaque and it's very confusing and then [TS]

01:15:44   we see it from his perspective [TS]

01:15:45   essentially what we're really happening [TS]

01:15:47   is time slows down and I'm able to do [TS]

01:15:49   this and so it's like oh that's what [TS]

01:15:52   he's doing he's falling over when he [TS]

01:15:53   does it too [TS]

01:15:54   he's like he's like I am i falling but [TS]

01:15:56   i'm not actually falling I'm kind of [TS]

01:15:57   fallen at the end of the thing he does [TS]

01:15:59   fall on his buddies on the action is [TS]

01:16:00   like good you know it was not [TS]

01:16:02   particularly graceful know nobody [TS]

01:16:04   managed to dodge mostly and just get a [TS]

01:16:05   hole in his sleep i actually what i [TS]

01:16:07   really love in this scene i'd forgotten [TS]

01:16:09   how much i love it is when the [TS]

01:16:10   helicopter smashes into the building and [TS]

01:16:12   that I wrote in my nose ring that is a [TS]

01:16:14   spectacular explosion and the ripple of [TS]

01:16:16   the glass and all that that if i'm going [TS]

01:16:18   to see an action movie and I'm gonna get [TS]

01:16:19   a big explosion [TS]

01:16:20   I want that explosion that is a great [TS]

01:16:22   explosion and then the ripple effect is [TS]

01:16:24   great i love the explosion but the rest [TS]

01:16:26   of that scene of them you know shooting [TS]

01:16:28   into the room with morpheus and somehow [TS]

01:16:30   not hitting him but hitting all agents [TS]

01:16:32   um yeah that's that's the most boring [TS]

01:16:35   action sequence for to my road down [TS]

01:16:37   there they're awfully careful with their [TS]

01:16:39   indiscriminate machine gun fire from a [TS]

01:16:41   helicopter video and slow time so we can [TS]

01:16:43   probably a improperly in that time that [TS]

01:16:46   they spend a lot of time looking at the [TS]

01:16:47   shell casings fall into the water which [TS]

01:16:49   again is a very animate anime type of [TS]

01:16:52   thing to do because anime action scenes [TS]

01:16:53   are all about putting the camera not on [TS]

01:16:55   what's happening but on some tangential [TS]

01:16:57   thing and complying with this happened [TS]

01:16:59   and they do a live action version of [TS]

01:17:00   that we're just fine it's very stylized [TS]

01:17:02   and yeah but you know wasn't what people [TS]

01:17:03   expected to see I did you expect that [TS]

01:17:06   scene where where they wear Morpheus [TS]

01:17:08   like sees them and tip tilts his chair [TS]

01:17:10   over or something but instead he's just [TS]

01:17:13   sitting there the whole time as they [TS]

01:17:14   you're right [TS]

01:17:15   yeah that is I thought about that too [TS]

01:17:17   it's like bit that silly but I love when [TS]

01:17:19   the helicopter smashes in and and that [TS]

01:17:21   is a fun scene where he ties it would be [TS]

01:17:24   really funny if he tied the the hose or [TS]

01:17:26   whatever is the rope to himself in the [TS]

01:17:28   AL the Haunted yank the budget and only [TS]

01:17:30   one again because because you can't stop [TS]

01:17:32   it [TS]

01:17:33   but and the ripple effect when it hits [TS]

01:17:35   the building another great thing where [TS]

01:17:36   they don't then explain to wait why did [TS]

01:17:38   the building ripple like that that [TS]

01:17:39   wasn't stuck to some people think it was [TS]

01:17:41   a badly done effect and they didn't know [TS]

01:17:42   how to do a good effect like and the [TS]

01:17:44   reason it's put there is to remind you [TS]

01:17:46   once again even though you think you're [TS]

01:17:47   watching an action scene of this is [TS]

01:17:49   really happening and it doesn't need to [TS]

01:17:51   be an explanation of why this big ripple [TS]

01:17:52   effect happen because it's all big [TS]

01:17:53   computer program and it's just you know [TS]

01:17:55   it's like it's like a game when there's [TS]

01:17:57   like clipping effects for a fire fire [TS]

01:17:59   effect clips through a wall that it [TS]

01:18:01   shouldn't or whatever you accepted in [TS]

01:18:02   the game is like well it's all made up [TS]

01:18:04   anyway the simulation is not perfect [TS]

01:18:05   alright i guess that takes us to the [TS]

01:18:07   subway and like I said the matrix is [TS]

01:18:09   full of people but the subway station is [TS]

01:18:12   not but nobody in the natives takes [TS]

01:18:15   public transportation i think this is [TS]

01:18:16   what we necessary bummed turn into the [TS]

01:18:18   agent and that and the driver of the [TS]

01:18:20   train of the train right that's right [TS]

01:18:22   but uh you know it's a it's this is our [TS]

01:18:25   this is our big climactic fight scene [TS]

01:18:27   and and I like the scale of it we've had [TS]

01:18:31   the Giant action scene on the top of the [TS]

01:18:33   building this is the smaller scale [TS]

01:18:35   version where we get where we get Smith [TS]

01:18:38   and neyo fighting in the train station [TS]

01:18:41   and doing some kung foo and some [TS]

01:18:42   smashing into things and destroying into [TS]

01:18:46   destroying walls and things like that he [TS]

01:18:48   had a little hint of another genre as [TS]

01:18:50   well you've got sort of the spaghetti [TS]

01:18:51   western sort of thing instead of a [TS]

01:18:53   double yeah this is my guardian [TS]

01:18:55   newspaper injured but that's that total [TS]

01:18:57   yeah you're right you're right where's [TS]

01:18:58   all that wouldn't compromise show [TS]

01:18:59   Dancing train there's a train yeah sure [TS]

01:19:01   and the story in this fight seems like [TS]

01:19:03   there actually is a story otherwise be [TS]

01:19:04   boring story in this entire fight scene [TS]

01:19:06   is you know as as narrated slightly [TS]

01:19:08   ham-fisted Lee by whoever was watching [TS]

01:19:09   like neo is starting to believe and neyo [TS]

01:19:11   decides like after after you know we'd [TS]

01:19:13   already had the revelation of like I can [TS]

01:19:15   pick up this you know I'm gonna stop [TS]

01:19:16   this helicopter mechanic now he's like [TS]

01:19:18   alright if i can grab a helicopter was [TS]

01:19:20   falling off the building [TS]

01:19:21   why can't I fight this guy what what [TS]

01:19:23   does he have that I don't have it so now [TS]

01:19:25   i'm going to actually fight him and it's [TS]

01:19:27   fun that it doesn't work out quite the [TS]

01:19:29   way he wanted to like he barely escaped [TS]

01:19:31   with his life more or less I like that [TS]

01:19:33   they end up on the tracks because that's [TS]

01:19:34   just a primal fear of anybody who's [TS]

01:19:36   waited for a train anywhere so don't [TS]

01:19:38   know know the to Coast tracks don't go [TS]

01:19:40   there are the tracks no but of course it [TS]

01:19:42   doesn't [TS]

01:19:43   meo has had the crap beat out of him but [TS]

01:19:45   he's finally won [TS]

01:19:46   and of course what happens is the driver [TS]

01:19:48   steps off the train [TS]

01:19:49   annotations Smith and that's the moment [TS]

01:19:50   when he was like okay I'm gonna run now [TS]

01:19:53   yeah but he's like wait why am I even [TS]

01:19:54   find these guys because like if I just [TS]

01:19:57   like how in if I win have I won because [TS]

01:19:59   you know that you hit he thinks he's [TS]

01:20:01   like I figured out i can beat them and [TS]

01:20:03   his way now what am I thinking they can [TS]

01:20:04   become anybody this is stupid [TS]

01:20:06   yeah and so then we end up we end up [TS]

01:20:09   with the last sequence of the movie [TS]

01:20:10   which is do in the building and the [TS]

01:20:14   heart of the heart of the city hotel [TS]

01:20:16   again motel and and then intercut with [TS]

01:20:19   the Sentinel attack Sentinel strike on [TS]

01:20:21   the hovercraft where they're they're [TS]

01:20:24   cutting into the ship and and they're [TS]

01:20:27   ready to blast the EMP which will kill [TS]

01:20:29   me oh but it also you know kill the [TS]

01:20:31   Sentinels and um and what i wrote down [TS]

01:20:34   here is the prophecies saved the day i [TS]

01:20:37   love prophecies they always they always [TS]

01:20:39   a they got your back prophecies have [TS]

01:20:41   your prophecies and love ya last-minute [TS]

01:20:44   declarations of love it's your love [TS]

01:20:46   prophecies are the ones that really [TS]

01:20:47   saved the day because trinity of course [TS]

01:20:48   says that's right it doesn't mind it [TS]

01:20:50   doesn't say i love prophecies it's just [TS]

01:20:51   love prophecies sit save the day because [TS]

01:20:53   she says if they told me I would fall in [TS]

01:20:56   love with you and I'm in love with you [TS]

01:20:57   so you've got to be the one and she [TS]

01:20:58   kisses him when he comes back to life [TS]

01:20:59   and it's nice you know it's funny that [TS]

01:21:01   the Oracle told me Oh exactly what he [TS]

01:21:03   needed to hear and then everybody else [TS]

01:21:05   who went to see her got exactly the [TS]

01:21:07   truth [TS]

01:21:08   yep just not neo he only got what you [TS]

01:21:10   needed here now cookie and it in a very [TS]

01:21:12   crunchy cookie to crack but seriously I [TS]

01:21:17   really did not like the like the ending [TS]

01:21:19   the first few times I saw this because i [TS]

01:21:21   didn't like the idea of it being all [TS]

01:21:23   schmaltzy love saves the day at the end [TS]

01:21:26   because I kind of think tends to bother [TS]

01:21:28   me especially in a science fiction movie [TS]

01:21:29   but over the years having watched a few [TS]

01:21:32   more times I've managed to sort of [TS]

01:21:34   retcon it a little bit in my head [TS]

01:21:37   because these are the things that I have [TS]

01:21:39   to do to make it work with me but I feel [TS]

01:21:42   like maybe it's not that she it's not [TS]

01:21:47   her loving him is is what does it [TS]

01:21:49   perhaps he actually just has to die [TS]

01:21:52   within the matrix in order to achieve [TS]

01:21:54   his full potential because he's not [TS]

01:21:56   going to be able to recognize [TS]

01:21:59   that you know that he's able to sort of [TS]

01:22:01   like splitting the connection between [TS]

01:22:03   between reality and the matrix because [TS]

01:22:05   he can clearly hear Trinity I mean not [TS]

01:22:07   only the right jack declaration of love [TS]

01:22:09   which sort of kicks into gear but after [TS]

01:22:11   that when he's you looking after the [TS]

01:22:13   agents and she tells neo and he turns [TS]

01:22:15   around and comes right back to her so I [TS]

01:22:17   think maybe the the thing that makes him [TS]

01:22:20   the one is the fact that he at this [TS]

01:22:22   point in the trilogy non trilogy is the [TS]

01:22:25   fact that he's able to exist in both [TS]

01:22:27   worlds simultaneously therefore his [TS]

01:22:29   death doesn't actually become a death [TS]

01:22:31   right so it doesn't really help that [TS]

01:22:33   much to do with the prophecy the [TS]

01:22:34   prophecy just told us it was gonna [TS]

01:22:35   happen it's not because she loves him [TS]

01:22:37   just that's that's an effect rather than [TS]

01:22:39   a cause but it's kind of a shame that [TS]

01:22:41   she falls in love with no because like [TS]

01:22:43   this character that you were so excited [TS]

01:22:44   by the beginning quickly falls into the [TS]

01:22:46   role of main characters girlfriend you [TS]

01:22:48   know reason and they have no chemistry [TS]

01:22:49   and there's no reason they would be [TS]

01:22:51   hidin at this read and share hobbies [TS]

01:22:53   come foo fighting been impressive [TS]

01:22:57   machine overlords leather pants really [TS]

01:23:00   stupid looking sunglasses distressed [TS]

01:23:01   knitting I I loved the fact that it ends [TS]

01:23:04   with her basically giving him a kiss and [TS]

01:23:06   waking him up because you've got all [TS]

01:23:08   these and they then they're exposing [TS]

01:23:10   sleeping beauty [TS]

01:23:11   yes because they have my alice in [TS]

01:23:13   wonderland and they have the wizard of [TS]

01:23:15   oz throughout and they they're very [TS]

01:23:17   blatant about those and then here's [TS]

01:23:19   Sleeping Beauty sneaking in at the end [TS]

01:23:21   and they don't really they don't force [TS]

01:23:23   it there just like because they're [TS]

01:23:26   waking everybody up from the matrix [TS]

01:23:28   whoa well fuck man you got to see this [TS]

01:23:31   movie it's really the climax of the [TS]

01:23:35   movie for me was not the you know love [TS]

01:23:37   conquers all seen but the 1si is [TS]

01:23:40   actually awake the final the final [TS]

01:23:42   revelation on his path during the entire [TS]

01:23:44   movie or not knowing what's going on is [TS]

01:23:46   when they all shoot bullets at me put up [TS]

01:23:48   a tent and says no and like that that [TS]

01:23:51   you know makes ridiculous every fight [TS]

01:23:53   scene had come before it because again [TS]

01:23:56   like you know with that it was kind of [TS]

01:23:57   really goes when he was learning the [TS]

01:23:59   kungfu stuff you think that's air you're [TS]

01:24:00   breathing it's like but why are we even [TS]

01:24:01   punching each other this is a computer [TS]

01:24:03   program i don't have to play this game [TS]

01:24:05   at all they can shoot the bolts on [TS]

01:24:06   they'll be like no it's not gonna happen [TS]

01:24:09   let's stop fall to the ground and they [TS]

01:24:10   need to tilt his head to the side and [TS]

01:24:12   then [TS]

01:24:12   they have the hallway bow out and do all [TS]

01:24:14   these effects yeah that is the [TS]

01:24:16   culmination of you know really [TS]

01:24:18   understanding that there is no spoon it [TS]

01:24:20   was a thought was a fitting way to [TS]

01:24:21   finish the movie and the love plot is [TS]

01:24:22   just like all right yeah do that too [TS]

01:24:25   it's well that's it you know it's [TS]

01:24:27   intercutting it and you you're getting [TS]

01:24:28   those two different texts also I while I [TS]

01:24:30   was watching this again with the having [TS]

01:24:32   not seen in a few years it's like oh [TS]

01:24:34   yeah that's why the Daleks stopped the [TS]

01:24:37   bullets in Doctor Who in that same [TS]

01:24:40   effect [TS]

01:24:41   it's like that was a Matrix right i [TS]

01:24:44   remember this is the first time i saw [TS]

01:24:45   that scene which may be reused a few [TS]

01:24:47   times like right right that's where that [TS]

01:24:50   comes from this such and that's the [TS]

01:24:52   thing that somebody who sees this for [TS]

01:24:53   the first time now might not realize [TS]

01:24:54   because again we've seen that all of [TS]

01:24:57   these things a million times now it's so [TS]

01:24:58   much many of these things were [TS]

01:25:00   immediately taken an drift on by [TS]

01:25:02   everybody else because he was and and [TS]

01:25:06   granted that it was not a wholly [TS]

01:25:07   original thing there's lots of things [TS]

01:25:08   that were being crude from anime and [TS]

01:25:10   crib from it you know Asian cinema but [TS]

01:25:12   for Western audiences and I think [TS]

01:25:14   Western a lot of Western filmmakers and [TS]

01:25:16   TV makers this was that revelatory [TS]

01:25:18   moment of like oh my god did you see [TS]

01:25:20   that senior this senior this scene and [TS]

01:25:22   it spawned a whole then again that the [TS]

01:25:24   matrix was in Doctor Who in 1977 that's [TS]

01:25:26   true create this in the best title of [TS]

01:25:29   any doctor who episode ever [TS]

01:25:30   the deadly assassin because that's how I [TS]

01:25:34   like my assassins deadly can play well [TS]

01:25:36   they're effective been killing machines [TS]

01:25:38   at the end the employees his phone call [TS]

01:25:40   on answering machine for the matrix and [TS]

01:25:42   but what I really love about it is he [TS]

01:25:45   says what you know something about a [TS]

01:25:46   world without your control and it ends [TS]

01:25:48   with the the system failure and I had [TS]

01:25:51   that moment of like get it get it [TS]

01:25:53   the system is going to fail a system [TS]

01:25:56   line is a failure haha bling pay your [TS]

01:26:00   taxes and then any any flies only flies [TS]

01:26:04   up with that that's great right because [TS]

01:26:05   it's like the final culmination like he [TS]

01:26:07   could fly and stuff now one of course [TS]

01:26:09   you can see why would I wouldn't fly [TS]

01:26:11   why wouldn't you fly the whole time in [TS]

01:26:12   fact in sequels I butterflies the whole [TS]

01:26:14   time stops always doesn't do that no but [TS]

01:26:16   imagine if there was a sequel what would [TS]

01:26:19   how awesome that we don't really like [TS]

01:26:20   that the promise they can't fulfill [TS]

01:26:21   because once you've wrapped him up to [TS]

01:26:23   infinite power the sequel's either would [TS]

01:26:25   have to change [TS]

01:26:26   Jules entirely or be boring and instead [TS]

01:26:27   they kind of went back to like all right [TS]

01:26:29   well we've established you can fly but [TS]

01:26:31   it would be better if he struggled by [TS]

01:26:32   fighting and punching a little bit more [TS]

01:26:33   that's what we know that is more [TS]

01:26:35   interesting and maybe we can get a car [TS]

01:26:37   chase and that was a hell of a car chase [TS]

01:26:38   but it's like didn't we just do this the [TS]

01:26:40   the first movie that's what signals [TS]

01:26:42   don't work because you can't you can't [TS]

01:26:43   go anywhere from that T's at the end [TS]

01:26:45   like in some respects i was excited [TS]

01:26:46   about the next movie but then I quickly [TS]

01:26:48   realized they can't go anywhere for this [TS]

01:26:50   is over they should just stop i had [TS]

01:26:51   heard rumors that the second movie was [TS]

01:26:53   going to be that the the real world that [TS]

01:26:55   they got out into was actually another [TS]

01:26:58   facet of matrix and they had to get out [TS]

01:27:00   of that that I probably would have liked [TS]

01:27:01   a lot better [TS]

01:27:02   yeah that was the obvious way they could [TS]

01:27:03   go in with the way that many other [TS]

01:27:05   movies gone since it's like how many [TS]

01:27:07   layers and inception obviously like this [TS]

01:27:08   even so that would have been a retread [TS]

01:27:10   so it still would have been kind of a [TS]

01:27:11   letdown [TS]

01:27:12   so about the same time this movie came [TS]

01:27:13   out there was a chris carter the guy who [TS]

01:27:16   did the x-files did a very short-lived [TS]

01:27:17   Marshall series called harsh room right [TS]

01:27:20   which was a reality a reality of virtual [TS]

01:27:23   reality kind of show there was a Terry [TS]

01:27:25   O'Quinn was a dictator inside the [TS]

01:27:27   virtual reality world and how did I miss [TS]

01:27:30   this is it was gone for like a month [TS]

01:27:33   it was on for very little time I loved [TS]

01:27:35   it actually I really gotta really [TS]

01:27:37   thought we could a good show and in the [TS]

01:27:39   moment i bring this up not only because [TS]

01:27:41   of similarities to the matrix and about [TS]

01:27:42   the same time but but one of the really [TS]

01:27:44   great things about it and in actually [TS]

01:27:46   Terry Terry O'Quinn is Santiago the [TS]

01:27:48   dictator is pretty awesome [TS]

01:27:50   I i highly recommend that alone but one [TS]

01:27:53   of the plot twists that I really loved [TS]

01:27:55   in harsh room right before it it went [TS]

01:27:57   off the air and this is DB sweeney is [TS]

01:27:58   basically the star is scott bairstowe in [TS]

01:28:00   DB sweeney is the whole idea was that he [TS]

01:28:04   was trapped that he was a soldier [TS]

01:28:05   trapped in this harsh realm the virtual [TS]

01:28:07   reality that was based on like a [TS]

01:28:10   government process or something is chris [TS]

01:28:12   carter there's lots of conspiracies but [TS]

01:28:13   there's a moment where you about five [TS]

01:28:16   episodes in where you realize that there [TS]

01:28:18   are some characters who can come in and [TS]

01:28:20   out of the virtual world and there and [TS]

01:28:22   you get a glimpse of the real world and [TS]

01:28:24   it starts being about that which is [TS]

01:28:26   about like the matrix you're coming in [TS]

01:28:28   and out and I always thought that that [TS]

01:28:29   would be a really great place for the [TS]

01:28:30   matrix to go which is neo like being [TS]

01:28:34   able to step back and forth between the [TS]

01:28:36   worlds and having it be like more like a [TS]

01:28:37   doorway and that [TS]

01:28:38   all the old rules of you having to jack [TS]

01:28:40   into the matrix no longer apply and it [TS]

01:28:43   would be a very different kind of kind [TS]

01:28:45   of thing like harsh room because that [TS]

01:28:46   was a really great twist and harsh realm [TS]

01:28:48   yeah check out harsh realm if it's out [TS]

01:28:49   there somewhere look for used dvds now [TS]

01:28:52   the more you talk about it the more I [TS]

01:28:54   think maybe I did want to see it yeah [TS]

01:28:56   yeah but it came out the same time as [TS]

01:28:57   the matrix it was funny it was very [TS]

01:28:59   similar kind of premises [TS]

01:29:00   oh I want to say before we before we [TS]

01:29:03   wrap up in anything that you guys wanna [TS]

01:29:05   wanna get off your chest still we should [TS]

01:29:06   we should do that but i wanted to [TS]

01:29:07   mention one random thing that occurred [TS]

01:29:09   to me while I was watching this we just [TS]

01:29:10   I really love how to how it was a tank [TS]

01:29:13   always answers operator that I find that [TS]

01:29:17   charming because he's you know he's the [TS]

01:29:19   guy on the other phones are everywhere [TS]

01:29:20   in everything they do and every time the [TS]

01:29:23   answers its operator I just like their [TS]

01:29:25   indicate he actually is to know this is [TS]

01:29:27   tank of the resistance hello can I help [TS]

01:29:29   you [TS]

01:29:30   operator does he does he get other calls [TS]

01:29:33   if you would like the codes to design [TS]

01:29:35   mainframe i can get those words like I [TS]

01:29:36   don't have that this is not comcast I [TS]

01:29:39   can't cancel your sorry i can't cancel [TS]

01:29:41   your cable so anything we we didn't [TS]

01:29:44   cover that that we should we should [TS]

01:29:47   cover before I would kind of like to [TS]

01:29:48   film nerd out for a second yeah just [TS]

01:29:50   talk about every time i watch this movie [TS]

01:29:52   I noticed something something new [TS]

01:29:54   something different and i think that i [TS]

01:29:55   noticed this time was sort of the theme [TS]

01:29:58   of reflections if you notice almost [TS]

01:30:01   everything in the matrix is reflective [TS]

01:30:03   so much stuff and nothing in the real [TS]

01:30:04   world you don't even see a mirror but in [TS]

01:30:07   a matrix you've got you know everybody's [TS]

01:30:09   sunglasses [TS]

01:30:10   you've got you know it in the Morpheus [TS]

01:30:12   sunglasses you've got a different [TS]

01:30:13   reflection in each each eye of the [TS]

01:30:15   sunglasses right you got a different [TS]

01:30:17   pill in the different lenses yeah that's [TS]

01:30:19   a nice shot reaching for the one that's [TS]

01:30:20   no he's going for the red one actually a [TS]

01:30:22   pill case itself that he's twirling [TS]

01:30:24   around a super reflective even the pills [TS]

01:30:26   themselves are kind of shiny crazy p [TS]

01:30:28   mirror that his hand gets stuck in [TS]

01:30:30   exactly and that's that's the part that [TS]

01:30:32   just really got me this time you know [TS]

01:30:34   reflections aren't real and neither is [TS]

01:30:36   the matrix it's a great feeling sort of [TS]

01:30:38   distorted thing for it there and then [TS]

01:30:40   you've got the mirror that kind of goes [TS]

01:30:42   all wonky and starts climbing up his arm [TS]

01:30:44   the literal reflection is the physical [TS]

01:30:47   manifestation of his distress at that [TS]

01:30:49   point I just I thought that was really [TS]

01:30:51   awesome [TS]

01:30:51   there is no spoon it is only yourself [TS]

01:30:53   and you know because your faces in it [TS]

01:30:55   oh yeah Wow on the operator point that [TS]

01:31:00   you brought up yes or operandi [TS]

01:31:02   my take is that he was not saying that [TS]

01:31:04   he's Lily Tomlin like the operator at [TS]

01:31:06   the end of the phone it was like an IRC [TS]

01:31:08   channel when you've got ops i think [TS]

01:31:09   that's what they were going for since it [TS]

01:31:11   was the nineties that he is the is the [TS]

01:31:13   channel operating system yeah he's the [TS]

01:31:15   dual it's a dual meaning but it is that [TS]

01:31:17   he is the lily tomlin operator the whole [TS]

01:31:19   idea is they dial out and make it the [TS]

01:31:21   operator [TS]

01:31:22   one ringy dingy one reading into and [TS]

01:31:24   then you're out of the matrix time-life [TS]

01:31:26   books would you like to order a 13-part [TS]

01:31:27   series on ghosts and ghouls that's how [TS]

01:31:31   they keep you in the matrix that's how [TS]

01:31:32   does this is the age testing our [TS]

01:31:34   audience to make this contemporary comic [TS]

01:31:36   references and go back to only time when [TS]

01:31:37   the operator looking at but it's [TS]

01:31:39   probably a YouTube kid like to apologize [TS]

01:31:41   again to the other grad students who are [TS]

01:31:43   listening for sorry that they already [TS]

01:31:45   had to look at mr. wizard after watching [TS]

01:31:46   this movie that's good i did want to [TS]

01:31:50   mention it's so fast i never noticed it [TS]

01:31:52   before but when agent smith explodes [TS]

01:31:54   part of his face flies by and it's dead [TS]

01:31:56   screaming oh yeah I loved that bit [TS]

01:32:00   that's a really counterintuitive ending [TS]

01:32:02   to where he dives into the agent you [TS]

01:32:04   like what is going on you again the [TS]

01:32:07   reason why not grab sushi far out man [TS]

01:32:09   yeah programming he said exactly that [TS]

01:32:11   he's he's going right inside and and [TS]

01:32:13   tearing them into little pieces and [TS]

01:32:15   reprogramming him exactly what I i [TS]

01:32:17   wonder if he comes back in the next [TS]

01:32:19   movie he does uh home but but you know [TS]

01:32:22   he can't beat the many conventional way [TS]

01:32:24   and so now he has given up and and I [TS]

01:32:26   it's a nice moment to where the other [TS]

01:32:27   agents look at you two there and like [TS]

01:32:29   yeah we're out of here [TS]

01:32:30   this is we don't know how that we're not [TS]

01:32:32   prepared to deal with this guy so we're [TS]

01:32:33   we're outta here [TS]

01:32:34   yeah that's that's a really nice weird [TS]

01:32:37   everytime i see that Mike densest range [TS]

01:32:39   just dives into him and then he's gone [TS]

01:32:41   and any big guy blows up and that he [TS]

01:32:43   flexes his muscles in the whole the [TS]

01:32:45   hallway bends the I kind of like the non [TS]

01:32:48   matrix world a lot more towards and be [TS]

01:32:50   like when the Sentinel is tearing its [TS]

01:32:51   way through like you know while the [TS]

01:32:54   little love scene is going on there as [TS]

01:32:55   the Sentinels tearing its way through [TS]

01:32:57   the the thing that I find menacing and [TS]

01:32:59   interesting those mechanical real-world [TS]

01:33:01   devices tearing through with lasers like [TS]

01:33:04   these [TS]

01:33:04   I'm in the Terminator ass kind of way [TS]

01:33:06   you know that's what he does is all he [TS]

01:33:07   does America that there's your shiny [TS]

01:33:10   thing in the real world the only shiny [TS]

01:33:12   reflective thing in the real world of a [TS]

01:33:13   super shiny beautiful sentinels that are [TS]

01:33:15   actually threat india the ports on the [TS]

01:33:18   back of their heads are the only thing [TS]

01:33:19   yes I just something you know created by [TS]

01:33:22   you know that the the robots and then [TS]

01:33:24   the way you get into the major this [TS]

01:33:26   basically have the the dark Jony ive [TS]

01:33:28   doing all their designs [TS]

01:33:29   yeah I think that's obviously that's why [TS]

01:33:31   they need the matrix is the creativity [TS]

01:33:33   of the of Johnny I me in the matrix app [TS]

01:33:36   version of Apple because for a while it [TS]

01:33:38   was all like leather and felt in wood [TS]

01:33:40   was really weird now that was the fall [TS]

01:33:43   of humanity was the skeuomorph orgasm [TS]

01:33:44   and then the the matrix it was the [TS]

01:33:47   decadent times as seen in the animatrix [TS]

01:33:49   yeah but then they but they made the [TS]

01:33:51   beautiful beautiful sentinels that will [TS]

01:33:52   come and kill you with lasers but [TS]

01:33:56   they're beautiful [TS]

01:33:57   the little squid guys are pretty awesome [TS]

01:33:58   always get confused about I always like [TS]

01:34:01   to think that the ship is like a [TS]

01:34:02   submarine and it's in the water but it's [TS]

01:34:03   not it's a hovercraft and they say it's [TS]

01:34:05   a hovercraft and yet I the way the [TS]

01:34:07   Sentinels move they move like and they [TS]

01:34:09   look like shit we did everything looks [TS]

01:34:10   like it's in looks like they're in the [TS]

01:34:11   water but they're not but they would [TS]

01:34:13   look like if they can crawl and it's not [TS]

01:34:15   clear that they would it be able to fly [TS]

01:34:17   getting out of their design but once [TS]

01:34:19   they land they look like it's like [TS]

01:34:20   20,000 Leagues Under the Sea like the [TS]

01:34:22   submarine you know yes [TS]

01:34:23   yeah whole thing they're doing yeah yeah [TS]

01:34:25   but when they cut a hole water doesn't [TS]

01:34:27   come in because it's not actually a [TS]

01:34:28   submarine [TS]

01:34:29   so yeah all right I think we've reached [TS]

01:34:32   the end and we're not going to do 2 [TS]

01:34:36   single sheet the rage against the [TS]

01:34:38   machine riff that's really a recent [TS]

01:34:40   seriously but this is this has been [TS]

01:34:43   great and it was it was fun i mean i [TS]

01:34:45   don't know about you it was fun for me [TS]

01:34:46   revisiting it been a little while since [TS]

01:34:48   i saw the matrix like I bought the [TS]

01:34:49   blu-ray but it was kind of fun to watch [TS]

01:34:51   in HD with the surround sound and all [TS]

01:34:53   that and I haven't seen it a little [TS]

01:34:54   while and I remember all the things i [TS]

01:34:56   like about it and there are some things [TS]

01:34:57   that I grant well you know it's not not [TS]

01:34:59   that that scene is not great all that [TS]

01:35:02   but it's such an influential movie and [TS]

01:35:04   it's still fun to watch and and the [TS]

01:35:05   fights are are are beautiful and it's [TS]

01:35:08   kind of fun to watch Morpheus be a [TS]

01:35:10   fortune cookie and and the Oracle called [TS]

01:35:13   neo not too bright and all of those [TS]

01:35:15   things are so I i really enjoy don't [TS]

01:35:17   know about you guys I really [TS]

01:35:18   enjoyed the doing rewatch oh yeah I [TS]

01:35:20   hadn't actually seen it since since I [TS]

01:35:22   was it was in the theater that was the [TS]

01:35:24   last time my god was time to come for [TS]

01:35:26   you until a couple months ago when I [TS]

01:35:28   watched it with my husband and I hate to [TS]

01:35:30   describe him as an albatross but I feel [TS]

01:35:33   like watching by myself just just this [TS]

01:35:36   past couple days wasn't much more fun [TS]

01:35:39   experience because I could just relive [TS]

01:35:42   it the way that I know him the way that [TS]

01:35:44   I remembered it and I didn't have sort [TS]

01:35:46   of this pressure of my god is he gonna [TS]

01:35:47   like it is the easy getting this part [TS]

01:35:49   does he understand what's going on [TS]

01:35:51   well you know when you show something [TS]

01:35:53   you love to two people who are important [TS]

01:35:57   to you at you know your kind of late [TS]

01:35:59   letting yourself open for their judgment [TS]

01:36:01   and it's a but moment of vulnerability i [TS]

01:36:04   found this out when I showed real genius [TS]

01:36:05   just syracuse show it to me is x alli [TS]

01:36:08   you know I just making a joke with but [TS]

01:36:10   yeah it is [TS]

01:36:11   I I totally get that I've done that when [TS]

01:36:13   I've tried to expose somebody to a movie [TS]

01:36:15   or TV show that I really love and I'm [TS]

01:36:16   like oh you gotta watch this and then if [TS]

01:36:18   you're watching it with them especially [TS]

01:36:20   it's like oh man you know I hope it goes [TS]

01:36:22   away they are they liking it are they [TS]

01:36:24   uncomfortable and its really [TS]

01:36:26   nerve-wracking so I don't think you got [TS]

01:36:28   it you got to be very careful not to [TS]

01:36:29   oversell it you gotta lay out something [TS]

01:36:31   like that hey you should be okay check [TS]

01:36:33   this out i stir fried with onions and I [TS]

01:36:36   here but I didn't work very well I ended [TS]

01:36:38   up just becoming more invested in his [TS]

01:36:40   reaction to it then the movie itself [TS]

01:36:41   you're watching him not the movie then [TS]

01:36:43   right yeah so why don't I myself was I [TS]

01:36:45   think i was able to recapture all the [TS]

01:36:48   excitement and glory and squeeze that I [TS]

01:36:51   felt the very first time I saw it in [TS]

01:36:53   theatres and the subsequent eight times [TS]

01:36:55   and next we could do the same with the [TS]

01:36:57   Phantom Menace you know what I just [TS]

01:36:59   might i have like that fit within the [TS]

01:37:01   theater your turn back [TS]

01:37:03   be prepared disappointment having we [TS]

01:37:05   just we did we did that free watch that [TS]

01:37:07   was not know we'll see i'm very good at [TS]

01:37:10   am very good at sort of slotting myself [TS]

01:37:12   back into a place and time in my mind so [TS]

01:37:15   if I'm able to do that successfully I [TS]

01:37:17   might just be able to recapture the the [TS]

01:37:20   excitement of the moment and not pay too [TS]

01:37:22   much attention to the specifics of the [TS]

01:37:24   film a team of social workers will be [TS]

01:37:27   headed to your house in two out of three [TS]

01:37:29   states that [TS]

01:37:30   take the blue pill [TS]

01:37:33   yeah take the point help figure of dead [TS]

01:37:35   well will said oK we've reached the end [TS]

01:37:37   of our time but i want to thank my [TS]

01:37:38   guests for taking the red pill and [TS]

01:37:40   joining us in the matrix and we will [TS]

01:37:41   continue to fight against the machines [TS]

01:37:42   etc [TS]

01:37:45   uh-huh David Laura thanks for being here [TS]

01:37:48   and entering the matrix with us [TS]

01:37:50   Thank You mr. Snell okay he took it he [TS]

01:37:53   took Agent Smith so you guys can't John [TS]

01:37:56   syracuse oh thank you for being here and [TS]

01:37:58   take this opportunity to recommend once [TS]

01:37:59   more the animate animatrix it's good yes [TS]

01:38:02   in a and I matrix it is too animated [TS]

01:38:06   shorts I don't have no idea where you [TS]

01:38:08   can get them but if you do a Google [TS]

01:38:09   search watching this movie again i was [TS]

01:38:12   able to let go of my anger at the [TS]

01:38:13   premise and just enjoy it but i still [TS]

01:38:15   enjoy those two animated shorts more so [TS]

01:38:17   if you've never heard of them and never [TS]

01:38:18   seen them like animation at all highly [TS]

01:38:21   recommend yeah it's actually it's a [TS]

01:38:22   whole DVD of nine [TS]

01:38:25   yeah it's a bunch of bunch of ya [TS]

01:38:26   different animated yeah I just me I just [TS]

01:38:29   I'm sorry I'm you're right I'm I've [TS]

01:38:31   misidentified I'm saying the second [TS]

01:38:32   Renaissance part 1 and 2 or the size the [TS]

01:38:35   ones I'm talking about not all the [TS]

01:38:36   animated shorts which are very reason [TS]

01:38:38   quality a second Renaissance part 1 and [TS]

01:38:40   to thank you for reminding me [TS]

01:38:42   you seek those out check them out [TS]

01:38:44   they're awesome ok Steve let's thank you [TS]

01:38:47   there is no IRS will remember that well [TS]

01:38:52   because of your mind man [TS]

01:38:54   it became auto from the simpsons there [TS]

01:38:56   for a second i think well that's good [TS]

01:39:01   yeah Erica and sign [TS]

01:39:04   thank you for being here thank you very [TS]

01:39:06   much for having me [TS]

01:39:07   I i wish i could do a line how about I'm [TS]

01:39:10   just another guy girl [TS]

01:39:12   there you go ok that works that works [TS]

01:39:15   it was great to have you here I thank [TS]

01:39:16   you for thanks for coming on i know that [TS]

01:39:17   you saw this movie so many times in the [TS]

01:39:19   theater it was really great to have that [TS]

01:39:20   perspective to which we don't don't [TS]

01:39:22   usually get around here and I and and [TS]

01:39:24   anything that you would like to plug i [TS]

01:39:26   mentioned Verity which is a really great [TS]

01:39:27   doctor who podcast is that the then you [TS]

01:39:30   have anything else that you'd like to [TS]

01:39:31   promote arms are getting very [TS]

01:39:33   podcast.com for the podcast i am also on [TS]

01:39:37   Twitter as Holly go darkly if you want [TS]

01:39:40   to chat with me there and I have my own [TS]

01:39:41   blog which is fangirl [TS]

01:39:42   knit scarf at wordpress.com which I [TS]

01:39:45   update occasionally about geeky stuff [TS]

01:39:48   and not so much knitting so don't worry [TS]

01:39:50   about that so much the knitting the [TS]

01:39:51   distressed knitting of the matrix though [TS]

01:39:52   i think is the topic of time and energy [TS]

01:39:54   source here sometime in the in the far [TS]

01:39:56   future we're going to need blogs about [TS]

01:39:58   admitting we are clearly i think i think [TS]

01:40:00   we're all set there you have to wear [TS]

01:40:02   ragged Snoopy snow hats around our [TS]

01:40:04   Nebuchadnezzar want to grow on thanks to [TS]

01:40:08   you [TS]

01:40:09   yeah and I am Jason smell as always for [TS]

01:40:12   the uncomfortable thanks everybody for [TS]

01:40:13   listening we'll see you next time in the [TS]

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