00:00:01 ◼ ► five-by-five it has been exactly one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► year since I started 5x5 and I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/4">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► take a moment to say thanks so much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/7">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► iTunes and for all of the support you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► wouldn't and couldn't be here doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/18">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► these shows without your help here's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/19">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/26">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/33">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► so perfect that it can be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/36">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► about at least not by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/38">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► writing at ARS technica and elsewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/44">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► listening this episode is sponsored by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► screens from IDO viacom screens let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► access your Mac from anywhere using any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► iOS device it's a universal VNC client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/55">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► shortcuts and more and you can even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/60">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► connect to Windows and Linux pcs which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► is John circuses favorite thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► when he's out of the house it's VNC made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► simple and it only cost $19.99 check it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► out at at doe Viacom slash screens or on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/71">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► the iTunes App Store we'd also like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► say thanks to campaign monitor email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/75">TS</a>]
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00:01:35 ◼ ► up today at campaign monitor calm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/95">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► now that that those things are done I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► can say hello to my very best friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/99">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► I don't dad doing good thanks for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► help earlier in the week trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/110">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► figure out what was wrong with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/111">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► drive should we talk about lack of help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► can what now you kind of helped can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► can we talk about the drive you can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► think it's an interesting story it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► kind of a grayscale yeah oh yeah so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► got a bata bought an older g5 from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/124">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► friend of mine and had an older hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► drive sitting around I wanted to use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► this thing and I I i put the drive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/133">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► and booted up the machine launch you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/138">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► know booted up the booted from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► leopard installer and it saw the drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/143">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► just fine but it wouldn't it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► let me format it all of the options to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/150">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► format it were grayed out as if it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► cd-rom drive and so at first I googled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/153">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► and looked up you know reasons why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/156">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► might be see if there's another way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/158">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► do it that kind of thing but the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► why is I had used this drive in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► external chassis too and I had used on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/164">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► Linux I had used the DD command to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► an ubuntu install image on it and and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► course when it does that it does it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► the ISO nine six six zero format so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/176">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► it thought the Mac OS 10 system saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► as as a cd-rom drive even though clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► it was a hard drive and it even showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/188">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► the hard drive icon in Disk Utility and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/189">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► the Installer it it refused to let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/191">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► format it it wouldn't even try because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/195">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► it saw it as this other it saw it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/196">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► read-only the interesting that gave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► the hard drive icon you would think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► program would make the decision about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/206">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► whether I can reformat this and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► it's a hard drive kind of it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/210">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► the same decision so you think it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► either show the CD image not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/214">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► format right or the hard drive image and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► let you format yes weird yeah but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► didn't and I have to try the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► I want to connect it to a Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► problem if not I guess I'm gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/226">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► go into Final Linux machine and and use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► that to change it or something well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► know Michael Westen has DD command so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► you can just wipe the thing from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/236">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► command line that way if you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► have to do but yeah it just struck me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/241">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► being so funny because here here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► something that clearly it recognizes as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► a hard drive based on the icon but based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► on the file format it's thinking it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► cd-rom drive so kind of kind of an edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► case but don't do that of all the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► never use Linux right so what's up we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/260">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► have we have some follow up john from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/265">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► from last week amp as always we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► follow up it but I made a decision on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/270">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► the follow up I've decided not to do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► backup related follow-up this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/274">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► because we just have so much backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/276">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► related follow-up and I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► show is becoming the backup show right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/279">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► in John siracusa so I want to going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► save that I'm gonna save the backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/284">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► follow-up maybe will be for next episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► maybe the episode after but there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► huge outpouring you'll outpouring of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► people who have things to add or ask or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/291">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► say about backups but skipping that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► this episode yeah before right when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► were starting people in the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/300">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► we're saying hey I wonder if they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/301">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► talk about backups today no isn't that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► just just to tell you that we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/305">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► going to talk about back right so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► save it okay so I've got those notes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► another episode okay but last episode we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► talked about a aside from backup stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► talk to about Mac OS 10 version to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► determined Lian and we talked all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► what Apple thought of that I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► little bit of follow up on the the lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► stuff hopefully not a half an hour's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► worth so we can save room for the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► topic of today's show one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► people brought up that I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/333">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► mentioned but totally didn't think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► but I have thought about a lot in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► past is the name of the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► and you know that the big cat names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► really don't leak ahead of time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► most part we haven't known the big cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/344">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► names of the various versions of Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► 10 right until Apple says so and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/347">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► always I guess people don't care but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/350">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► always cared I thought is meaningless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► really but I always thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/353">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► interesting and I really didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► this time around that they would go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/356">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► lion because you know you save line for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/357">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► the end wouldn't you because once you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► the king of the jungle you know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► biggest big cat or yeah you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► nowhere else to go right a lion you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► can't go back to like links or Ocelot or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► something so this one's clearly call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► Lyonne and that's kind of like a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► hint that this is either at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► the line for cat branding possibly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► end of the line for Mac os10 branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► okay that's that's very interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► you know you bring up a great point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► especially like the name lion for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/390">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► this as much as some of the other cats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► that are out there because line it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► sounds like lying you know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► saying is a little things like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► so I was thinking the same thing I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/404">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► thinking I want there has to be a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/405">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► why they would pick lion and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► that has to be the answer which is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► though which is it is it that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► end of end of the end of the line for OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► 10 or is it cat names are done why would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/417">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► they why would they go away from cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► names when there's so many left the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► first thing I would say is that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► all of my all the things that I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► about in the last episode still stand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/428">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► terms of what the product will be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► is entirely about naming and branding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/432">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► operating system so whether or not they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► go away from big cat branding or they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► away from the Mac os10 branding I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► the content of the next version of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► is now known as Mac OS 10 will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/445">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► same I don't think that because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► changed the name suddenly I would revise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► my guesses about the you know whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► will be more or less like iOS I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► they're clearly going on that transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► transition is not going to go any faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/459">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► if they rename things it would P really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► branding thing and maybe it would help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► people feel more comfortable with it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/467">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► overcome the technical challenges of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/470">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► slowly converting this operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► and its applications to be a more iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► like model so that's what bothers me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► about this naming stuff is that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/480">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► get hot and bothered about it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► really think it is a side issue so with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/483">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► that without cheating can you name all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► of the versions by their code names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/488">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► starting with with 10.0 all the way up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► to ten not seven obviously and ten zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► was cheetah ten one Puma ten two Jaguar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► ten three Panther ten four tiger ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► five leopard ten six Snow Leopard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► then whatever they're going to call this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/503">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► one lion they haven't really talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► about a version a number as far as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► assumes it will be ten seven and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► that's a good bet too but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► they've actually talked about it maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/512">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► it's on their website I don't know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/513">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► impressed do you know what the code name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► for the public beta was the code name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/516">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► listing those laughs once you say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► will probably be reminded of about it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/528">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► that does sound very familiar we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/534">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► pay 30 bucks for that too yeah happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/535">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► do it but they did have wine names to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/539">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► day before you'll get the bit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► beginning they were going to have wine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/545">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► names I don't remember what the wine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► names were but they were for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► there I think around the time of Jaguar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► though it was a rumor that the wine name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► was going around and the rumor was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/555">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► they were going to be the official names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/556">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► marketing yeah it's only a retron survey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/559">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► or some other wine aficionado trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/562">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► make that stick and once it bounced up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► the mark and they're like yeah no we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/566">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► not gonna do that so so what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► think this means though I mean does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/569">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► doesn't mean the end of the big cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/570">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► names here's what I think III think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► will they will abandon cat names when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► they abandon when they abandoned the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/578">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► OS as a whole I don't you really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► that they do a Mac OS 10 dot whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► eight and not do a cat name I think lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► has to be the end of the cabinet as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► just makes no sense to do another cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► after lion unless now it makes no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► they're very impressive reading but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► reading that subtle hint from from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► do you think anyone else has picked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/605">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► on this yeah I've talked about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► crazy as soon as it was called ly even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► before it was called lion there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/611">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► speculation is always speculation what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► does the big cat gain I'm going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/614">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► and someone always suggests lion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/615">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► then everyone else says no they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/616">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► saving that for the end that won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► until XYZ so so it's clearly it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/619">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► end and it's the end of big cat branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► I would say pretty certainly and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► they're going to get rid of big cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/627">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► branding you they could just say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► we're done with that silly thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/630">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► they were we put a cat in a fair we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► another option is they could just drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► the Mac and just call it OS 10 so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/635">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► sort of matches better with iOS I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► know remember when they did that for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► there was this tiny window where yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► they were trying to call the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/644">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► system that ran on the iPod Touch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► iPhone OS 10 by itself without the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► prefix yeah and then they changed their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► mind and decided to call it iOS because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► for a long time I was called iPhone OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► running on devices that were an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► yeah where they called it we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► call it OS 10 which made a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/661">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► more than key it's not Mac OS 10 its OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► 10 but then the final decision from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/665">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► marketing was apparently iOS which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► don't know that doesn't get better it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/669">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► not really very ie so so cute well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/670">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► here's here's the question then if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► that's I Oh s do you think we would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/675">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► X OS now because the I prefix is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/678">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► whole iMac Apple's always done this Alex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► you're right because I don't want X OS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► think it'd be horrible it would not say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/688">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► it as X that's always 10 I know I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► asking you I think people ask me these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► questions all the time I'm just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► but branding Apple's wacky with branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/696">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► like they like simplicity our MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► MacBook is a horrible brand people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► used to it people used to anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/701">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► that's not a measure of how good it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/702">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► like Wii is a bad name but people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► used to it and then it becomes fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► MacBook is not as good as power buck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► I think I don't think Mac is going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► away because think it is still strong a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/713">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► strong brand they've kind of realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► that by calling our Mac books Mac is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/716">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► brand and I think they still believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► called Mac iOS just who knows who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► heck knows if this is really but the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► part of this is entirely up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► marketing department and the people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► make those decisions and it has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/732">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► to do with the technical content of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► operating system the engineering side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/735">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► worries about technical content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► evolving the operating system and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► matter what they do the marketing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/740">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► are going to do with the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/741">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► people are going to do and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► really two separate threads so here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► here's a question then what what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/746">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► really be required for them to no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► call it or no longer think of it as OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► 10 I mean you know think back to the to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/757">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► the old days system 7 became 8 9 10 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► what I mean obviously with 10 there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/765">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► a huge huge change it was an all new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► operating system at least for Apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► next but it was it was an essentially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► completely new OS I don't know if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► change from eight to nine would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► considered a whole new OS but how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► they you know the windows side of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► you've got operating systems that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► are all kind of Co related but every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/793">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► time they come out with a new thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► they call it something completely new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► they're not releasing you know although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► it might be you you might argue that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► really is it's not Windows three and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► then four and then five and then six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► they always have these different names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► they're not the lineages are not obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/808">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► you're not suggesting they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► do something like that you're saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► opposite you're saying it's still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/814">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► regardless of the name I'm saying naming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/817">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► and technology have almost no relation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► like remember we went from system seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► point five point whatever to Mac OS 7.6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► and there was you know there was this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/827">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► change from seven point five to seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► point six was no bigger than the change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/832">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► between any other seven versions really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► they changed the name of it they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► change because I felt like it where as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/837">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► as you pointed out the change from Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► OS 9 to Mac OS 10 with the Roman numeral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► was like a hundred percent change yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► so really the naming has absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/844">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► discussion that starts from that premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/850">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► or is based on that is just pointless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/851">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► discussion to have the names of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► names and they're fun to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► independent of the tech the next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/858">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► there's a a tech jump like there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► from nine to ten that's probably a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► topic for another show as I have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/867">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► theories about what that might be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► possibly when it might come but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► and surely they will do a name change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► anything to do with the branding stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/878">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► Josh in the chat room asks what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 server as a separate branded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/882">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► released Mac OS 10 server 1.0 which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► basically rhapsody that really had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► relation to the current Mac OS 10 except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► that both had next underpinnings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► that was kind of a dead product and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► they revived it and when they revived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/897">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► that it was Mac OS 10 server I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/898">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► was called 10-point Oh where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► trying to sync the versions up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/903">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► real Mac OS 10 but now that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► ditched the Xserve Mac OS 10 server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► like is not long for this world maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► they'll just keep having it limp along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► and become increasingly more like Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► os10 client it already is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► identical except for some parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► applications but I mean I wouldn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► to be in that group at Apple working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► that stuff because that area of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/926">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► business seems to just be atrophying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► well yeah and and and as you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► there are a handful of other utilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and tools but a lot of them were Xserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► specific a lot of them were x-rayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► specific I mean if you if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/937">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► there's nothing that would stop you from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► taking OS 10 as it stands today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/942">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► using it as a server there's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► nothing that you really you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► need those additional tools except if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► you're doing it in kind of a a workplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► environment and you're using it for file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► serving and things like that if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► just thinking of it in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/959">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► serving a web server or database server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► a straightforward file server a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/963">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► those things you don't even need so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► I mean does it make sense for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► maintain OS 10 server for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► I mean right now there's how people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► put it on their Tower computers to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/976">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► them you know serve they have shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► home directories or something to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► them serve a bunch of users and a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/981">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► editing suite there are places for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► and there are still places for the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► or two little proprietary features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► Apple is added because they have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/989">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► own GUI for directory services that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► top of like LDAP and all that stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► the other things are just open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/995">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► stuff that they package and throw on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► there it's kind of a melange of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/998">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► modified stuff custom Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► complete open source stuff and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► it's it's a big mishmash that I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► the people who are using it want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► continue to be supported but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► rest of the world it is like let me get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► a Linux server and install the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► I need to install on it and I'll be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► and like you said it has a control panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► control panel and a neck serve and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► everything that's the only place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► you absolutely positively need this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► offer because you can't get any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► cool xserve controlling gooeys from any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► other company but that's gone away now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► so yeah but that's another topic yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► but I got one well do you wanna do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► more follow up yeah yeah yeah all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► actually two more follow-ups so on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► line thing I mentioned that spaces look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► like they were completely gone and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► people have pointed out that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► really tell because just because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► didn't demo spaces at all throwing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► little October demo doesn't mean they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► gone it just means they decide not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► demo it but I mean they said Mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► Control combines you know all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► things including spaces into one unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► interface but then they never ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► showed spaces or at least what we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► of as spaces and that led me to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► that they're just ditching entirely but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► that's my hunches for all I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► still there and they just decided never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► replacing it too though and I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► know I'm on the fence about that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1078">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► really did get the impression they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► they were saying we're done with it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► don't really demo spaces that much they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► demoed it when it was introduced but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► they hardly ever you know if any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► demoed in store automatically running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► demo people demonstrating it they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► show spaces so it could still be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► and it's all in its existing buggy state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► but I have my doubts but let me write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► wanted out rightly that we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► for sure and it's just still speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► at this point because I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► there's even been a dev build of Lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► given out to anybody that I know of no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► and the final follow up all the way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► to the first show was when we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► about TV there was this thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► tweeted the other day about some I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► know what this company is but some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► companies some experiment where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► tried to take regular people and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► them replace their cable box yeah we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► just talked about that on on briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► awesome yeah they they is it something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► he'll yeah your holiday or no holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► something like that but yeah they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► and these are regular people these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► weren't people like us these are regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► human beings and then they like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► they did a study but they also videotape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► the people talking about it so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► follow the link in the show notes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► watch the videos and see what the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► had to say but the bottom line was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► completely replace cable it's kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► unfair comparison because these boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► are not sold as replacements they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► usually set sold is you know supplements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► positioning them as replacements is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► saying here we're going to take away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► your cable really highlights all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► flaws of these boxes of you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► not a lot of content available the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► expectations of television is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► spinning weight cursors and those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► all over these machines and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► were making the point that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► actively involved in having to choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► what they want they want programming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► be broadcast at them which is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► novel concept for those of us in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► TiVo generation who have already you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► television and it's not like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► sitting there racking our brains out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► watch we set up recordings in season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► passes for the shows were interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► and whenever it's convenient for us we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► sit down and we have a bunch of content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► that we chose ready for us so that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► of sitting down in front of the box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► first of all changing channels on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► modern cable box is so incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► painful and slow that I can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► there are people who are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► remember doing that with like it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► the 80s and 90s television could change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► channels really fast in the advert in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► the remote you could change channels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► almost as fast usually hit the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► yeah like the gag in Toy Story 2 about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► you know going around the horn if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► into react does not work anymore for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► kids who are growing up now they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► you can't change channels that fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► because the stupid cable box takes 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► minutes to sync to the next you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► yeah you don't even they're there that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► the whole reason that the guide is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► critical because you can't she can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► change channels by flipping a button you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► would go nuts I mean like waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► especially when they're you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► channels in HD this channel is not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► you're waiting for your TV to resync it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► isn't horrendously slow that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► example of a television thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► gotten worse over time so flipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► through channels is alien to me but some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► of these older people in the video we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► saying they just want to sit down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► flip through the 3 or 4 channels that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► they're interested in see what's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► quote unquote winning it's a phenomenon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► that like I can't remember the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► in the last five or six years that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► sat down front of television said let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► see what's on no I sit down and I expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► programs that I recorded previously that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► I know I like to be ready and waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► for me and I just choose which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► them I want to watch yeah well I there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► are a lot of people who turn a TV on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► just to have the background noise or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► they're people who just you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► know there's a show on and they maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► they watch what's on it before it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► after it but very much it's become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► consumer-driven process of how we how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► watch TV as opposed to a network driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► process of what they showed to us well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► for some people anyway life is like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► said you saw the people in this video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► and it was a it's a different world from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► you know my contemporaries or people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► the circles that I travel in but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► clear the people like that are out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► and it shows that these boxes have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► stalled no chance to penetrate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► as a replacement or cable and even as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► supplement it seems like it doesn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► television so these are the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► people you may just have to wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► them to die off before these boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► become pervasive yes so what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► what are your kids do do they have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► a TiVo or do they have things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► that are theirs that they can watch or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► do they sit down and watch like you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► on Nick jr. or something they just watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► they've never watched live TV and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► never watch commercials either and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► commercials he's seen as a two shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► that he records have one commercial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► break in them and he knows how 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► literally has literally never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► commercials at the age of six by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► time I was six I'd probably seen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► know whatever it is 20 million hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► interestingly the not seen commercials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► does not make him not want to beg for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► toys because well go to the toy store he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► sees the toys there and you don't eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► ads to make toys tractive two three four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► five and six-year-old so maybe would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► worse if you saw commercials but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► maybe the first time a commercial came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► on he called me into the room when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► was three or four and sits daddy there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► something wrong with the TV night wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► where's my show exactly what I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► understand what this way you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► over why is it over it's not only it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► this commercial they get annoyed now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► like he watches some shows that release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► a new episode every week in a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► season and when he watched one episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► he wants to watch another when I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► hasn't aired yet and it I still struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► to explain that concept that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► they make the shows ahead time but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► dole them out sort of one every week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► then why can't you just show me the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► like we haven't recorded to get its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► broadcast and then like it's his mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► model does not match the actual model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► for television it matches mostly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► TiVo model yeah it's funny because kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► growing up now really won't ever have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► the same concept of TV that that we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► and most of the people who are listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► to this show probably had to which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► very very fundamentally different uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► know we have all these shows and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► actually went through this transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► with our kid he's three being able to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► from all of that we just got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► honest we just kind of got fed up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► him saying I wouldn't I want to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► this one oh but I don't I don't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► want Dinosaur Train you know I want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► I'm the Triceratops you know or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► became this specific you know what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► putting on a Nick jr. and whatever's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► that's what we're watching for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► half hour while we eat lunch or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► it is you know well while we try to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► the trash out and do all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► things around the house you're gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► to watch a show for 30 minutes and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► whatever's on and he there was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► transition because for for so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► we kind of doled out to him oh well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► only want him to watch so much TV so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► we'll give him this show in this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► because he seems to like him and we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► to sort of transition it to this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► what's on and we don't control what's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► you know the end and that was his shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► his mindset change was TV is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► and we don't always control it so I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► it so my kids still request specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► episodes that makes it was nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► interesting Evo is it for us do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► a description of a show the one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► the mean dog says X Y Z and then you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► descriptions to find it but at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► point you get good at finding them I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► also using it as a way to teach my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► to read because you'll make them read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► the titles and descriptions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► show's themselves in the menu but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► interesting going through all this when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► they have sort of they can pick any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► episode of any of their shows they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► to watch it anytime both of them pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► quickly arrived upon the random play via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► Daddy technique whether to say just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► pick any one dad and so I pick a random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► episode and that's what they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► watch or their choices now are random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► play by dad the latest episode which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► they do understand the concept of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► is the one at the top of the list it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► the newest one even if it happens to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► description of you know show me the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► with this or my daughter who's 3 her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► description is I don't want the one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► the bugs and I don't want the one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► you know something else and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► pick any from over there so I don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► basically watch PBS - so no ads every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► show has some educational content with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► the exception of Clone Wars which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► chatroom is talking about and yes my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► is addicted to that as well maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► will do a star wars episode eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► but I don't want this to turn into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► talk show so I mean see alright show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► topic today is actual show topic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► pick this one as usual yeah before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► forced me to pick them I would rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► you just pick them but you know I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► because I'm the one who's writing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► topics and if I pick them I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► there has to be Chinese ball I write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► down the topics and you pick them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► adds a little bit of dynamic you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► don't know I just feel like if I picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► them I'll always pick the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► most interesting to me and perhaps not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► the most interesting to the listener so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► you add a second you're so considerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► I try so today is a is iOS versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► world yeah love that iOS versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► world yeah and the short description of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► this was what Apple need huh we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► lost John hold on because that was who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► what happened I'm back yes I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► little software malfunction okay so say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► that again cuz I was I was in the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► of my seat alright so iOS versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► world is what Apple needs to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► achieve iPod like success with iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► devices and some would argue they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► already have well I in my definition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► that phrase I'm saying iPod loss like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► success is just complete dominance so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► you have a digital music player you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► anyone has a digital music player it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► an iPod yeah you it's pretty good guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► it's just like if you know anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► has a computer you know across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► entire world you can say it's a Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► PC yeah I mean among our friends yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► whatever but doesn't matter like iPod is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► like Windows it's not like just among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► you know geek nerds who travel the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► same tech circles as you do you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► guess what it's not anybody pick any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► random human in the United States or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► the first world right and say he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► digital use a music player guess what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► you guys I applaud your right 70% of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► time just like you guess windows whoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► right 90% of the time or whatever their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► percentages are um and so I wrote about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► when was that back in the summer thrust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► of the article was something slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► different but this was in the core of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► the article the article was called can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► you buy me now which was my play on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► Verizon's can you hear me now thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► it was about why Apple needs to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► Verizon and why they have to do it soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► looks like they listened to you well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► interesting though speaking of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► going to Verizon I remember and whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► they whenever they had WDC and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► yeah I guess it was the iPhone 4 in June [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► of this year was that the announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► then was June June or July but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► during the summer when they had WotC and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► everyone was talking about Verizon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► they always do before any type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► as soon as they came on stage and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► their presentation about the iPhone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► just knew January 2011 Verizon iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► like people were talking about it coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► earlier and they didn't know when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► contract was gonna be up and they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► know what was going to be but as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► they did that whole presentation on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► new iPhone didn't mention Verizon once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► and had this brand-new hardware and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► new OS and everything it was clear to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► that this is not happening until at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► least 2011 but they want to do it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► soon as they can so that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► times I had the clearest premonition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► about when based on nothing really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► gut instinct based on lend Verizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► iPhone for coming to turned out to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► right not that I could do anything with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► that information but that was just a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► coincidence but anyway this article was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► about why they need to get on Verizon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► soon as possible and it was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► about how everyone likes to apply the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► template on top of any sort of tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► debate used to be they would they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► yeah VHS beta maybe just things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► they applied the VHS Betamax analogy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► PCs but now now this day and age people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► apply the PC analogy and the PC analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► is you know Macintosh came along and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► was arguably a better product but window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► license Micron's window is far and wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► and everybody got on board that train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► and Apple was marginalized in Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► came to dominate and so that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► template that they try to shoehorn every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► single thing into it and then right if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► you were to update that analogy it fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► pretty well you can say you know today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► Google is Microsoft they're their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► licensing their operating system for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► what I do know Android is their Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► right so you can operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► everybody can have they sell it to hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► drive they sell it they give it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► actually to hardware makers and an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► is the Macintosh operating system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► Apple Apple is Apple in both analogies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► which I think is interesting it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► the one player that has not changed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► you know two generations of tech battles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and the whole article talks about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► these why do the difference why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► I'll go through a couple the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► it doesn't hold briefly can read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► article if you want to but uh for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► pricing Windows PCs were always weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► cheaper than Mac's still are arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► didn't you know knock-knock the not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► equivalent machines but you can get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► a PC for Less yeah and it wasn't at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► various points it wasn't like five bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► cheaper it was like hundreds of dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► you know it's something that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► mid-90s it was you know double the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► computers and that is simply not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► case with iOS based devices the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► cost about the same amount as any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► smartphone and the main thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► the the majority of the cost of phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► is not in the phone themselves just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► the contract Apple doesn't even control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► that price right and that's more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► the same for everybody so that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► difference um in this case Apple got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► critical mass pretty fast with the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► App Store and everything they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► liked the hip higher iOS market share no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► matter how you measure it then they ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► did for the Mac even in the Mac's heyday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► I think the Mac barely got above 10% and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► like it's best time and you know apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► got 16% or something of a smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► market now and in terms of the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► in terms of number of applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► downloads Apple never had this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► dominance with Mac apps there were never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► you know 10 times 20 times as many Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► apps as window apps right so Apple did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► really get out ahead here um one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► big things that people and talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► much is that people not shop based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► spec anymore like they did in the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► world there's always like how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► megahertz how many megabytes how big is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► the hard drive how big is the screen how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► many colors you know they would shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► based on those criteria and that's why a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► book couldn't be in a price because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► expensive for a similar specs that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► a different software on them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► people didn't really factor in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► Socceroos a software is free right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► now people might shop like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► people don't even know the specs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► their phones they just know it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► extent that they care at all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► hardware over the phone they just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► like does it feel fast yeah that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► they don't they don't care an apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► think it you can you have to credit them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► for that because they've never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► talked about the specs of the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► yeah they stop talking about the specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► of their Macs in fact they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► talk about that they don't want it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► know that is not their strength and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► PC you know Wars like we're never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► win on that so just to talk about it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► they could not tell you how fast the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► was in your max they would if they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► not tell you how much RAM they had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► would like they just don't want it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► don't want to talk about that at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► and thing is people especially with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► phones people barely even care if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► feels fast they mostly shop based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► like whim branding and advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► availability of applications but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► can put up with pretty crappy interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► and not complain so we all appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► responsive but I would be cautious about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► assigning too much value to that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► wider market because the bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► most people do not care as much as we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► you can say they subconsciously notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► and it does make a difference but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► not the deal breaker like it is with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► like we want to make many sacrifices to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► keep a good interface whereas most other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► people will trade that away much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► than we will for some other advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► that they consider significant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► fashion has a lot to do with phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► people buy phones because they're cute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► because they have a cool case because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► you know there's a Hello Kitty stamped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► on the back whatever much more so than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► laptops and certainly more so than PCs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► even though Apple tried to do that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► the candy IMAX and everything and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► did buy them because they were cute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► fashion is much more relevant to things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► that you hold with things especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► something to use like as much as a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► and the final thing that's different is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► one hardware maker versus many hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► makers like in the PC Mac Wars it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► Apple versus an entire industry was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► Apple versus Compaq Dell and a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► Asian suppliers and Gateway and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► there was tons and tons of companies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► then on the Apple side that was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► Apple and one company can't compete with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► that kind of diversity so there's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► making pcs for point-of-sale peeking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► leaking and for use in factories right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► underwater you know one shape like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► shoe with televisions built-in ones with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► stereos but it just it was and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► companies would go out of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► because no one wanted those things well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► they would it was a million companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► all trying every possible thing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► ones that stuck kind of survived and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► there was eventually consolidation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► so on and so forth but during the growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► period it was tough for Apple to keep up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► even when Apple had like 8 bazillion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2098">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► performers that we couldn't keep track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► of and they were trying to sound through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► Sears and everything they still didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► have as many products as pcs you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► get the exact PC that you wanted if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► that not that many people did that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► it was tough for Apple to compete in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► that thing but in the sort of modern era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► when they did the iPod they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► similar scenario Apple II only company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► that makes iPods Apple and millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► companies made digital music players you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► you know Asian knockoff things and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► was it like I don't remember all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► Rio or the other ones Samsung made hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► you know made a whole bunch it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► was Apple versus tons of other companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► but Apple showed that if all those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► things are different all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► things that I talked about are not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► same that just the one hardware hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► maker versus many hardware maker issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► is not enough to you know automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► make it so that you can't win so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► covered the needs of pretty much an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► entire market with just one company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► product line with three or four products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► start out with one iPod then there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► two then they replace them inning with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► the Nano then they threw the shuffle in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► the mix now you've got the touch but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► still may be one two three four models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► and they covered you know 70 80 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► of everybody's needs people are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► skipping an iPod because oh well I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► one that has this much memory but has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► this form factor but as a screen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► that has you know that's what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► will do with PCs they would say well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► like the Mac but I really want one has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► two slots but I want two hard drive bays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► but I want the second hard drive bay to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► be five and a quarter but I mean nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► does that with you know you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► that with iPod you could say well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► current nano stinks because doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► touchscreen so I have no other options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► that's right you don't have your options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► right don't shop like that it helps it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► there you know an order of magnitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► less expensive than a PC but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► literally used to you know shop for mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► fund find that they couldn't get exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► the specs that they wanted and decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► that well you know I have no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► options I'm going to go for a PC because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► I have a whole world of choices but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► doesn't happen in the in the modern era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► when specs don't count that much so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► know this almost harkens back to the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► major shift that Apple has made recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► and I say recently meaning last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► years you know calling it the year of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► the laptop the year of the portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► computer they have so de-emphasized Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► Pro's that it it it's not like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► don't admit to making them anymore but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► these things are way in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► you know these things are way way off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► the side as well you know the special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► people who want those we we keep them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► over here and when those people come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► town we'd say of course you can have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► of these things but they're not out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► there selling them and marketing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► it's all you know laptops and IMAX now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► mean that's really where the their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► emphasis is and it should be I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► those are the machines that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► the best and and that they have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► luck and success with but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► that's example the customers leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► Apple tonight right I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► at a certain point this is kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► audio at a certain point the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► advances to where it's covering the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► technologically speaking so in audios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► cases like when does audio get good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► enough that the average person thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► it's good enough and unfortunately for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► and people like me that happened without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► you know 256 kilobits compressed mp3s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► for most people it's good enough right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► visual fidelity I think we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► getting there especially since visual is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► you know 2d and everything instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► real 3d like we see in real life so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► visual fidelity may take much longer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► current video is not quite good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► to most people say that well this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► this is close enough to the limits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► human visual perception that I think I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► fine with that people still see you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► difference between HD and SD people see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► the difference between 3d and regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► ridiculous they see a difference with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► diminishing returns now the customer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► also recognized in the PC space that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► a certain point this little laptop does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► everything I needed to do I don't need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► machine the size of a refrigerator that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► makes horrible noise because thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► of dollars and it took a while people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► get out of the habit of buying those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► things eventually people said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► once you get your first laptop you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► you know what for what I do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► computer this laptop does everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► need and look how much smaller it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► can carry it around and you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► never going to buy desktop again after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► that so computing has reached the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► computing networking has reached the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► point where you can fill most people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► needs with a much smaller simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► machine I think it'll keep going in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► direction maybe all of us have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► SuperDuper iPads with larger screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► that are on whatever is derived from Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► OS 10 in the future but once customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► started doing that and the sales started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► shifting Apple loved it like great we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► hate how selling these gigantic things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► love to sell you more of these small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► devices especially since we've become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► such such an expert company building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► these things with the iPod you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► want everything to be completely spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► lists sealed units that you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► to worry about the internals of that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► make huge margins out and then we sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► you so that was a that transition is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► ongoing and so getting back the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► I ended the article with the my call to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► say you know Apple needs to get on more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► carriers because the one thing the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► thing is different between the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► iOS Wars and the desktop PC Wars was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► distribution was not really an issue in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► the old in the old days with Mac PC if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► you wanted to Mac you could get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► almost anywhere there are resellers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► every corner you could buy Macs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► Sears you can buy them a copy USA you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► know you could the distribution wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► problem retail was everywhere retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► margins were similar everywhere everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► could get to the customers but with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► know the cell phone market that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► the case that the carrier's control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► whether you can get the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► because there's no coverage in an area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► where somebody lives or bad coverage you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► just can't sell to them period and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► have to get on some carrier you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► sell a cell phone at all Apple does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► have a cell network so they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► gatekeepers and it seemed like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► time I wrote this that Android was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► coming up big because people just wander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► into what they considered the cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► store which is like a kiosk at a mall or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► wherever they bought their last cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► phone or you know whatever they consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► the cell phone store and they turn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► their old phone and they say oh I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► to get a new one what have you got they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► look around and they pick the best phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► to see in the store and if Apple stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► is not in that store they're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► to get it if it's a Verizon store apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► stone is not in it and so they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► customers simply because they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► even in the game you know Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► have its retail store which is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► advantage but people don't go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Apple store to buy phones not people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► are not specifically interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► specifically interested in the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► you've got them already anyway but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► majority people are just going into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► phone store turning in their old phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► for the best new phone and Apple needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► to get in front of those people and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► know now they are on Verizon and we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► the sales numbers uh yeah I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► are the sales these sales statistics not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► numbers they just said how big they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► they didn't say quantity right and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► said that that it was the biggest I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► the biggest iPhone so the biggest phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► mail that they sold faster than inactive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► ever they ever offered in and so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► know what those numbers are they sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► down in I think twelve hours yeah I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► twelve I was like - it's like two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► or something from the time for my 3:00 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► a.m. to 5:00 it really yeah something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► read this morning said from 3:00 a.m. to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► 5:00 a.m. in that two hour window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► Verizon sold out all of its pre-orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► for the iPhone that's even that's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► faster than I had heard wow this and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► thing is that's interesting from like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► sensational point of view but I that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► not what I was talking about I'm talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► about after the people who don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► know that you know these people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► going to buy their iPhones and get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► early just like you did but a few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► from now when the ads that are running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► in television finally start to penetrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► the mainstream and someone goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► replace their phone you go hey you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► I'm going to get a new cell phone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► go to the cell phone store and they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► there and it's a horizon store and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► see that there's an iPhone they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► I can get an iPhone on my verizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► contract and the salesperson says you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► certainly can that's that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► big market is it's not these guys who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► were dying to get a Verizon iPhone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► those are all you know Mac iPhone nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► already you've already got people maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► they were like you and suffering under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► the yoke of bet ATT coverage and can now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► finally go back to the herd but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► not the mass market the mass market of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the people we're just going to wander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► the store see an iPhone and it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► to win because it's better let me let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► read this to you it says it says that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► Verizon ceased online orders the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► to existing customers and the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► successful first day sales of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► history in the history of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► this is an exciting day sedan me DS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► president chief executive officer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► them in in just our first two hours we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► already sold more phones than any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► first-day launch in our history and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► you consider these initial orders were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► placed between the hours of 3:00 a.m. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► and 5:00 a.m. it is an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► success story it is gratifying to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► enthusiastically to this exclusive offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► designed to reward them for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► loyalty that's pent-up demand and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► not an explosive bubble and also had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► probably has to do with a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► supply constraint because iPhone 4 has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► been supply constrained for seven months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► and there's no reason to believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► the CDMA iPhone 4 is not also going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► be supply constraint for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► wasn't the case but it is they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► make them fast enough so let me ask you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► this if if I wanted to buy an iPhone 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► on 18 t today do you think I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► successful I could go to an Apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► and buy one let's just say I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► cell phone no plans nothing to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► about I just want to go buy an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► today you have to think that by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► finally the gsm iphone 4 should not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► supply constraint simply because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► rise an iphone thing is siphoning off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► customers and they've had 7 months to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► ramp up on on the gsm iphone 4 you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► know I guess because like remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► we that we was supply constrained for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► like a year and a half or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► ridiculous like that and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► these companies don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► manufacture lots of items it's just at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► certain point you you know it's like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► diode or one thing that you can't get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► enough quantity and that holds up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► entire line when you're when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► quantities it's very difficult to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► them as fast as people want to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► ah but I have to think that the 18 T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► iPhone is not going next time there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► earnings conference call and they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► to them and they say is is the iPhone 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► still comply supply constrained on 18 T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► they have to say no I can't imagine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► going to be if it is supply constrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► then Apple's stock is going to go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► another 50 bucks because that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► people are just buying iPhones like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► crazy yeah I think the CMA iPhone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► going to be supply constrained for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► long time just because it's a brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► product even though it looks the same on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► the outside they're all new internals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► and there's this big bubble of demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► campaign so expect that to be tough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► get for a while and and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► limit their sales it's going to limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► how many applicants sell up which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► standpoint but they'll get over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► eventually if anything you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► light at the end of tunnel is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► iPhone 4 could be supply constrained for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► its entire life and then the iPhone 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► comes out this summer and finally you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► can get some iPhone 4s like they're 99 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► it'll be a little bit perverse so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► was that was the article about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► what I think I always needs to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► achieve iPod like success and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► carriers alright check box you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► would basically get on more calories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► meant to get on Verizon in the u.s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► because almost every other country had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► u.s. is a huge market it was clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and I was trying to explain why it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► important for them to get on Verizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► ASAP before Android comes and eats the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► rest of their lunch and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► was to try to express that I think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► possible for a single vendor with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► limited product line to come to dominate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► a market because Apple did it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► iPod and there's no reason they can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► the same thing with the iPhone now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► would mean they would have to diversify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► their hardware just like they did with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► the iPod I don't remember how long they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► had just one iPod but it was a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► long period of time I mean for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► time I was Mac only and then there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► introduced the mini and that kind of led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► to an explosion even though the mini was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► like less value for your money because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► occasion five times less storage for 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► bucks less money or whatever it was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► people you know didn't think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► great but I think Apple will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► need to diversify its hardware line they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► kind of have two iPhones now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► they would take the previous model and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► make that the $99 thing so you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► have the good iPhone that everyone wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► and then the cruddy one then the kardi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► one is just last year's model mm-hmm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► diversifying even further going to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► current model phones and then like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► something and I'm not sure now is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► time to do that I'm certainly not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► that they have to make a phone with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► physical keyboard or go crazy like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► but they could do like an iPhone nano or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► a decon sented iPhone that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► strip out some of the more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► stuff instead of having a really nice 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► megapixel camera put a credit camera in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► there and make the phone free with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► contract or something you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► know if they're at that point yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► downward price pressure I think will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► eventually maybe a year or two from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► so you wait a minute or two you two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► years from now you'll walk into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► character of your choice and it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► a penny phone I think they have to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► the model like that eventually we're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► kind of like the early stages of the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► market where everything was fancy do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► remember in the early years of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► every Mac that Apple introduced was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► better than all of its previous Macs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► yeah like the Mac plus there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► worse about the Mac plus in the Mac 128 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► right or the Mac 512 nothing worse about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► that than the 128 and the plus the SC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► was better than the plus the 128 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► you know the 512 in every possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► that it could be better no spec was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► right that was what it was like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► beginning of a market you just do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► eventually Apple had to diversify the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► line editor introduced a computer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► pre-existing computers hmm and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► once you start down that path nail it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► just the status quo obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► MacBook is not as good as a previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► model Mac what produce do it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► smartphones will reach that point as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► well smartphones will get to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► where it will run apps if I run iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► everything but it's not as good as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► previous top-of-the-line iPhone 7 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► whatever and I think that's key to ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► achieving market dominance like the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► did because the iPod yeah but show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► one vendor could do it we need more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► one model if Apple had stuck with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► iPod Classic they wouldn't have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► able to dominate the market the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► do you need you need to feel some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► of diversified team so that people feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► like oh I've got enough choice just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► car companies if you're a Ford family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► for life Ford makes enough cars that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► they can sell you a truck a minivan a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► diversified line they don't have every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► car in the entire world but they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► something to fill every kind of need I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► eventually um but the underlying thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► the reason this topic came up or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► connection to this topic to your recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► shows is that on a talk show this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► obsession with market share yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► all he's always writing I'm sick I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► I mentioned Gruber and market share at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► I mentioned that he's one of the phrases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► that I quoted remember I think was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► can't cash checks with market share and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► the big difference in profit share and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► market share and you mentioned on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► show that the thing where he's talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► about Marcus is just a convenient way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► who's winning listen yeah and it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► of an underlying that the the line item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► I have for this is psychoanalyzing group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► is obsession with market share and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► really applies to me as well be cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► analyzing my own obsession with market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► generation and I'm going to try to wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► this up quickly because we're almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► immediate godwyn of this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► Godwin's law what is Godwin's law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► Cobbins law is named after some guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► whose last name I believe is Godwin is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► that in any debate online if it goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► long enough someone will make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► not zero Hitler and Hitler reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► it's just it's inevitable and that the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► think is a corollary to order is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► once someone does that the discussion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► over a rational discourse can no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► happen from that point it actually reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► as an online discussion grows longer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► probability of a comparison involving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► Nazis or Hitler approaches one yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► that's the Wikipedia page right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► think then the main thing and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► people think of when they say that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► is that that means it's the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► discussion that means you immediate loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► to discuss anything rational again is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► hyperbole yeah whoever the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► I've heard it said is whoever mentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► the Nazis loses exactly so I'm going I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► going to immediately God God when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► psychoanalyzing thing but then I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► try to pull it back so yes I am here hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► so I'm going to say that your group is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► obsession with market chair and mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► obsession with market share is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► similar to something from my childhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► done after you talked oh is Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► Marco's wife or they grew up in Long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► Island I don't know if you know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► grew up in Long Island and you said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► hadn't heard a Long Island accent in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► long time you're kind of hearing one for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► me I don't know it's not very strong I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► mean I knew I I just knew years as sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► of northeastern and I didn't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► think I'll of me I don't have the Jersey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► Shore Long Island accent most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► people in Jersey Shore actually from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► accident there but any but growing up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► eye on a lot or perhaps most of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► friends were Jewish and I would go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► their houses and you know talk to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► parents and grandparents and many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► them I don't know how many maybe all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► them any of them had grandparents living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► grandparents of my Jewish friends was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► that they wouldn't ride in German cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► Oh my grandparents were so upset at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► that we had a Volkswagen oh my god they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► literally almost spit on the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► something it's not like I won't buy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► with them since I was on Long Island and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► my friends were Jewish a lot of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► well-to-do it was about like Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► right you know not only when they not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► buy her Mercedes or they wouldn't ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► in one so if you had one you came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► pick them up the grandparents were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► I will not ride in that car right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► these people you know their families had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► money they were they living the American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► dream they were successful right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► could buy nice expensive cars but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► most of the nice expensive cars for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► German but they would refuse to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► my grandparents exactly the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► actually speaking you said look the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► people who designed and built these cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► probably weren't born until r2 is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► these they're these are not the Nazi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► Germany's are your our friend now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► Nazis are gone these cars are not made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► by Nazis you are not benefiting Nazis or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► anything like that by buying let alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► riding in these cars this doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► like a rational choice and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► they're essentially sacrificing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► comfort and you know their ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► have a nice car based on this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► attitude they have towards this ah my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► something I tweeted about recently is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► why I was in front of my mind this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► very similar to my decision not to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► an Xbox Xbox is a game console made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► Microsoft right well think it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► than the PlayStation in many possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► ways and I agree that it actually is far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► for the same reason my Jewish friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► grandparents wouldn't write a German car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► I won't have an Xbox on my ass right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► this all right the the analogy here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► isn't that well this feeling that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► is the same way about Microsoft as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► you only other people have but Nazis now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► the analogy is not that the Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► the Microsoft are Nazis like I owned by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► Microsoft products therefore Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► equals Nazis now the analogy is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► the irrationality of the choice is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► the context it's this idea of making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► choice that's is hurting yourself for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► irrational reasons based on past events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► that's the analogy the analogy is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► Microsoft or Nazis all right so I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► you can understand this this psychology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► without trying to bring the Nazis into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► it it's it's about a rational choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► about biting off your nose to spite your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► face based on some past experience now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► it gets get you now a past experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► that was horrific Microsoft was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► horrific Nazis are a lot falls apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► conversation but this is what popped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► into my mind I think I hope we can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► keep level heads about this and move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► from from the analogy but the reason it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► comes up in this context is because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► struggle of Mac versus PC Apple versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► sort of defines the the adolescence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► Technik technological blossoming of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► people of my generation your generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► and Gruber's generation who were into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3298">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► this type of stuff right it underlies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► everything and the way we think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► everything and even if we're smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► enough like in that whole article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► say it's not the same deal with iOS as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► it was with Mac PC even if we're smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► enough to realize that the Germans who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► built this car were not even born when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► we're work until world war two was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► right it still it still informs our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► thinking at a subconscious emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► level so the reason Gruber and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► other people are so obsessed with market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► share is because we live through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► situation where the better party didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► disappointed by it and we want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► sure that that doesn't happen again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► this one one more layer back before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► the reason Windows versus Mac was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► upsetting is because geeks in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► like meritocracy in order and they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► the best thing to win and in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► tech geeks or especially Mac eeks didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► think Windows was the better product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► they think it won for reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► didn't seem fair for the same way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► the jocks were more popular for reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► it didn't seem fair to the Nerds right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► there they weren't interesting or smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► or whatever they just play one game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► better sports or whatever they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► taller better-looking it didn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► fair wasn't a meritocracy according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► the merits that we decided well windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► went ran won the contest for reasons we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► didn't think we're fair and our team the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► Mac lost and we thought it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► terrible and the same thing for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► Amiga users or B users or Atari people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► or whatever but there's many more Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► users who worse or for similar reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► it's a really good analogy with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► persecution the Nerds feel like in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► school right the same persecution that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► those same nerds felt about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► favorite computer at the hands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► Windows Windows didn't seem like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► should win and we hate something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► shouldn't win winning because doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► deserve to and so that situation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► saying you know something that we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► think should win did it was so upsetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► to us that now now we want any battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► between the product that we enjoy and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► product that we don't think is worthy we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► want to win it decisively just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► Windows wanted decisively in our youth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► and the way you do that is is to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► Windows dip which is to get massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► market share to say Windows had 90% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► market share all my friends had Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► computers ran Windows period for a first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► approximation therefore for the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► I like to win now that's what we must do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► we must get market share and group is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► obsession with it is his rational mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► in my obsession is a rational mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► with the fact that perhaps that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► the case now hmm maybe you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► market share but and you know group post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► about all the time well Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► have market share but look how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► profit share they have them they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► they're selling more phones and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► making all the money in the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► just trying to you know it's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► is trying to convince himself that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► we are winning but that nagging thing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► the back of his mind that makes him keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► coming back to that well is that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► we're not winning in the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► Windows won and so maybe there's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► the possibility that we keep defeated in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► that way and we must prevent that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► thing that little you know Marlon man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► lizard brain thing in the back your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► is just nagging and making us go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► the well of market share and keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► looking at it keep trying to convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► ourselves it's okay we don't have market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► share we're not in danger we could still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3478">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► win yeah but how can you really win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► unless every single person you know has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► an iPhone unless it's like Windows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► could how can that be winning remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► what it was like with Windows don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► deserve that victory and that's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► what makes Mac fans keep going that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► know let's count the iPad as a PC does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► that help us there's still time to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► race or like we have this great thing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► we can throw the iPad into the PC comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► maybe we can go back and read it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► know right up Wars yeah still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► shot at that one it's not over you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► and sometimes they want to come out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► iPad as a PC and a phone because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► can use it to help the phone war right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► yeah that's our Saint Canada's both you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► know right because then you could then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► go back and win the Wars of the past and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► win this new war I think it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► fascinating this I think most people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► think about this a lot understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► this is the case but it's a fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► struggle between our rational minds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► and you know just all sorts of issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► tied up in our own adolescents and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► the desktop PC Wars and deciding what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► victory looks like and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► unique to people of our age and of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► particular inclination most other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► don't care one way or the other that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► my attempt to explain the the obsession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► with market share and I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► think it's going to go away and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► within myself I have trouble really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► truly in my heart of hearts believing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► that iOS can win unless it gets you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► dominant iPod like market share so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► if it doesn't win ah if it doesn't win I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► don't think it's that bad that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► other thing that you'll see in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► these stories is the like the bargaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► stage well you know even if we only get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► ten or 50% look at the Mac the Mac said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► 10 and 15% and we're pretty much happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► with our Mac's right I mean really they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► don't seem to be going away again right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► but we're still sore that we lost but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► consolation price consolation prizes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► company doesn't go out of business we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► still get to use the computers we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► it's certainly better than if Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► I've been bought by Sun or some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► horrific you know real failure brain so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► we'll take that as a consolation prize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and that's what you tell yourself when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► you think it's just not going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► when you think just apples apples not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► I think the iPod is really an optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► story the iPod proves that they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► it that it's possible that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► pieces are there Apple can get it done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► if they make the right moves at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► right times and a lot of moves they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► making are good the same sign of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► to do with the iPod the the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► pricing is not an issue anymore is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► because apples been really strong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► that with the big buys on flash ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► time and everything and cornering the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► market on certain components yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► Apple's margins are huge and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► parts prices are low and with the phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► that runs on the same CPU more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► they're buying the same parts from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► Qualcomm and Broadcom and all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► other companies that make the the radios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► in them we're all buying the same flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► screens from different vendors it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► level playing field Nygaard regard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► Apple is doing really well in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► so in a lot of ways they are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► following the same iPod path but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► but you know the iPod never had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► Android like competitor who is competent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► and extremely well-funded and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► giving Apple more of a runt Rhodes money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► than any iPod competitor ever did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► would have been interesting if at Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► was powerful at the time of the iPods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► you know ascent to the throne see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► they would have fielded a competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► and b3 player that synced with Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► wirelessly or something that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► have been interesting to see if the Ames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► Ames hi Google this point is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► doing the Microsoft thing where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► business you're like the way to ask them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► to make money let's get them maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► would have thought there was no way from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► the big money with portable and B 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► players but we'll see it's only 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► minutes over not bad well I mean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► started 5 minutes late yeah so really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► we're only two two and a half minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► over yeah this this whole issue I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► like is underlying every discussion on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► you know on the talk show and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► analyze it everything about market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► because it's it's all it's all a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► of guys who are all in our 30s who lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► through the Mac PC Wars and I think all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► of us are struggling with this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► feeling inside when we discuss this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► it's the subtext of everything that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► that's it though that's it for this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► I feel like it is I mean you get we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► gotta end at some point a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► ranting but that's not bad no this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► great this is I feel like we're finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► starting to get comfortable you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► what I mean like you're finally starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► to loosen up a little I was uptight on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► the first three rows you think well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► especially the first one but you're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► know you this is the kind of rant I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► expected from you all along now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► going to be disappointed if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► happen if we go through a show where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► don't have a little bit of a tirade on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► successful show and there goes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► goes your mic right there right on cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► we'll end it say goodbye are you replug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► in how's that better yeah and it's fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► good bye everybody thanks so thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► tuning in appreciate you being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► great topic it's a problem with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► Ranchos is now you've got a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► editing star for you or your editor no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► no we're don't edit any I keep it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► but did you did you order your t-shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► you don't have to I'll send you one did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► not order t-shirts oh I will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► if you had not sent me t-shirts and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► you never get around this anyway no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► teachers I will probably eventually buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► one because I have a clothes only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► we're only keeping it open for a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► weeks so if you guys are listening you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► haven't gotten your t-shirts yet you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► to store it on 5x5 TV and you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► t-shirt for another week before we shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► it down today you have to do a limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► run thing yeah so yeah so check that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► thanks everybody for tuning in we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► want to say thanks to our sponsors at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3832">TS</a>]
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01:03:57 ◼ ► also thanks to MailChimp comm who's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► paying for our bandwidth this month so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► that you guys can download all in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► episodes so thank you to to all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► John have a good one we'll be back next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► week and Friday at noon right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► right maybe we'll talk about backups all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl-ZAEA/3853">TS</a>]