00:00:01 ◼ ► this is episode three of hypercritical a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► what is wrong the world of Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► that it can't be complained about at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/12">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► least not by John siracusa my co-host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/13">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► and I'm Dan Benjamin we would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► thank our sponsors were sponsored by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/19">TS</a>]
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00:00:39 ◼ ► file formats from WAV to AC and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/39">TS</a>]
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00:01:10 ◼ ► MailChimp calm John siracusa how are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/70">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► Friday afternoon noon noon o'clock yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/75">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► and as usual we have some topics lined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► up but we wanted to start and this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► like a theme because you told me ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/85">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► of time you said already Dan I already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► have some some follow up on last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► show so maybe that's how we should start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► off every show with a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► follow up from the previous week's show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► something you want to complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/96">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► talked about because I bet when we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/100">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► the shows were just like speculating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► about the future of Apple stuff or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/103">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► whatever maybe there won't be so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/104">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► follow up at any time we do a practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► show talking about you know things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► can do on your computer inevitably this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► I mean there's tons of chat that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/111">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► missed during the show and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► email and Twitter and there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/114">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► just stuff to follow up on so the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/115">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► up show is no different got a lot a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► of feedback on that and I asked some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► questions during the show that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/123">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► answered afterwards so I just wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/124">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► everybody reads my Twitter stream or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► reads the show notes alright so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/129">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► shame on everybody who doesn't follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/132">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► John on Twitter because John only has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/134">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► like a couple thousand followers which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► is weird because you have you know every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► time you do a post on ours you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► to get a hundred thousand readers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► afternoon so people can can follow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► on twitter siracusa there's Serie cute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► nosy right nosy sound and definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/151">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► nosey letter as well all right si RAC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/156">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► you si and I'm Dan Benjamin on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► and people should know that already but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► interact John actually reads his Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► and he responds to you that's the nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/165">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► followers is that I can actually respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/168">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► to a reasonable percentage of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► who reply to me you aren't spam bots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► right but Twitter Twitter's weird like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► with a number of followers like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► followers all out of proportion to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/183">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► the amount of time as they tweet or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► know there's like celebrities who tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/188">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► once a month right million followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/189">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► well it's because they're a celebrity so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► it's it kind of like I can't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► don't know I can't figure out anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/195">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► online that's similar to it but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► are following to express their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/198">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► appreciation for the person and if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► a famous person lots of people like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► so by following the things they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/206">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► saying I really like you know celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► X Y Z but then they never read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► person's tweets or maybe they never use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► Twitter again or if that celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► doesn't tweet more than three times a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► year they forgot that they follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/219">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► but it seems like it's just a measure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► name recognition more than a measure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► the people who are good to follow so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► when Twitter tries to recommend people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/226">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► similar follows and stuff but it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► no way to express like yeah follow this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► person but I also like the tweets I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► our tweets informative you know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► followers but I feel like the content of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/239">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► the tweets is you know tailored just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/242">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► me whereas some people I follow have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/245">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► millions of followers and I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► rate them as highly as the other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► well Johnny also seems like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► threshold as far as as far as the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► whole following phenomenon and it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► seems to work that the people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► a a modest number a high number but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► modest number of followers like like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► and anywhere in that ten thousand range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► you're right up there it seems like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► that point you can still communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/272">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► pretty well with the people that follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/274">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► you it's not overwhelming you don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► know you can you can respond and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► but there's enough people that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► not going to say Oh got a nice haircut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► today you know you're aware that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/285">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► an audience there but then when you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► you get I've noticed that when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► into that hundred thousand range which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► seems to be the next big threshold uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► it's almost impossible to tweet without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► upsetting somebody I don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► about upsetting people but even with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/302">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► meager following that I have I do feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► some responsibility - if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► look back in my Twitter stream I want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► to be like what you would expect so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/311">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► think what people expect when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/312">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► follow me is for me to talk about Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► occasionally a sneek went in there about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► you know my kids or whatever but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► most part it's not going to be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► a stream about what I ate for dinner a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► particular day right it's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/326">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► majority of it is going to be mac nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► tech news because that's what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/330">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► people are expecting when they follow me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► so I do feel that responsibility I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/333">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► that even when I have like 300 followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► because you just don't want to annoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/336">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► other people with trivial stuff you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/337">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► no I'm with you and I don't I never knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► you I said you know people get upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► about everything that really doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/346">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► bother me if someone has a legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► point and they're also upset that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► still worth responding to but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► think I would feel impaired if hundreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► of thousands of people were following me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► responses people would get angry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► that's true including me she was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► tyrant yes oh shut up backup stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► I'm gonna start out with a said tale I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► think I mentioned this last time that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► sister was having hard disk problems I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► thought I did but her story has taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/375">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► the turn for the worst so she has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► problem with her internal drive which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/381">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► tried to debug over remote desktop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► Disk Utility wasn't having couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► couldn't fix it and so the choices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/389">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► or you know I told her to take her whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/394">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► Mac to the to the Apple store and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► what they could do and they ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/399">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► motherboard and the hard drive Melissa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► and I had her you know a fire wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► attached Time Machine drive but then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/407">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► told me that her firewire external hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/408">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► drive had gone bad months ago and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► didn't do anything about it because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/416">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► regular person you know all that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► know they see that box attached and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► know that I told them they have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/421">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► plugged in involved blah and they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► understand right they understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► you know this is my but then they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► don't think they just don't think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/429">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► there's not that important to them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/430">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► when their internal drive goes bad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► know and you explain to them well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/435">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► see the backup Drive that's been broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► for a month I that was your safety net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/438">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► yeah I mean I mean now you have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► broken drives and you know all her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► pictures of her kids and all her movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► and everything are on these two broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/448">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► drives so now she's at the mercy of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► know Drive savers which is quoting her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/452">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► like anywhere from $700 to $2,500 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/453">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► restore from either one of those disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► have you ever used a service like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► never have thankfully but I would if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► had to like if I all I had was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► like she does two damaged disk drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► with all my pictures and my kids in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► I would pay almost anything to get those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/470">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► things off of there um but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/471">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► she's looking into that now is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/474">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► she's notoriously a cheapskate about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► buying technology stuff she's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/477">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► like like that Seinfeld episode where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► batteries I don't know if you've watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► sign oh yeah yeah buys batteries because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► battery seemed like such an alien thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► that you shouldn't have to pay money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/487">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► well same thing there with technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/488">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► pay so much money for a computer it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/489">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► seems silly right because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► something in her mind Lane but she uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► it like crazy she's on internet all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► time or whatever was just that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/499">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► can't overcome that barrier people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► overcome the barrier of paying money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/503">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► software despite the fact that they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/504">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► it constantly and derive huge value from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/505">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► it it's just not in the category in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► their mind of things they want to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/509">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► for so now you know because she didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► want to bother getting that external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► important enough to her or whatever or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► she didn't want to pay to replace it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► it was really broken pay the 200 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/519">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► or whatever now she's staring it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► down at you know eight hundred to twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/522">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► try to get her data back on there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/525">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► it was there an opportunity to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► people in the chat room or saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► to if you know something like dis score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/532">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► you're on it or was there was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► it beyond hope well that that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► suggestion she doesn't have any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/538">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► programs so I said well you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/539">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► have to get disc warrior and try it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► you know just worries 100 bucks it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► still cheaper than drive service but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/544">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► there's no guarantee I mean this could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► be two failed mechanisms she's had them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► for years and the other thing is disc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► warriors potentially well I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► they say it's not they say it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/554">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► rebuild your directory index separately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/555">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► and not write a single thing to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/557">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► disk until it's sure that it can restore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► it exactly but I always get weary of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► using a software product to try to fix a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► repository for this data you know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► had back up some stuff I would try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► restore it and you know in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► like Norton you tell you something would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► bring your disc back to a consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► state but you'd lose a folder or two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/576">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► you lose a couple of files or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► any files that are on those damaged of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/579">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► blocks or something you might lose them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/580">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► potentially your only copy I I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/585">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► would rather have you know drive savers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► scour the disk with whatever crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► machines they have and just pull every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► restore everything in a non-invasive way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► so this but this brings up a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► though and this is something that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/599">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► you identified on the last show very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► very good advice is that everybody needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► to know that hard drives fail and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► it's not a matter of if it's a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► when whether it's a year or less or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► whether it's a couple years you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► that that's a legitimate concern but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/616">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► should you be thinking about that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► if you have a computer that's three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► yourself in the back your mind this hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/624">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► drive is probably going to fail sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/627">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► soon I use this thing eight hours a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► every day it's been for you know three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► something years this thing's going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► the same way that you can go and you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► to your you know oh man we put fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► thousand miles a year on this car after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► after a certain amount of time the tires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► are going to need to be replaced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/642">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► brakes are going to need to be replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/643">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► it's just stuff you need to do should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► you think of it like that I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► go down that road that's what makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► that's probably what made my sister say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/651">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► oh this is a new computer it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► flat-screen iMac maybe two generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► ago but in her mind is still a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/656">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► computer so I think it'll be fine you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► have to have your backup plan in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► day one and not wait until you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/661">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► nagging feeling like you would with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► old car because people are not good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► getting that feeling about computers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► know and she's a great example she still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► considered this her new computer because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► her old iMac was one of those lampshade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► ones all right with the bendable neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► see yeah that's that's her old I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► this is clear this is clearer than new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► one so of course the new ones not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► to break that's I think what was making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► her not take action on getting her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/683">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► backup hard drive fixed screeches like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► well you know it was a backup but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/688">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► what this is the new iMac I'm sure it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/689">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► be fine so I don't think you can rely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► that feeling you have to really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► your backups from day one going and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► you might still get that feeling I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/696">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► certainly do and maybe that'll make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► a little bit extra vigilant about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► backups maybe increase the frequency you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► know like I would increase the frequency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/703">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► with my SuperDuper backup so I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/704">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► my hard drive was three years old or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/706">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► something but you can't rely on that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► just have to assume that any second it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► going to go bad you have to have a plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► for it well I talked to Dave nanion this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► morning apparently he's been you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► touring or what I don't know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► what everyday he travels and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► skiing in the Alps or so yeah something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► like that and I asked him if he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/723">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► listened to last week's hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► and he said no I haven't listened up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► I've been you know I was on the slopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► or whatever the software developers get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► to do and and I said you know you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► to listen to it because we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► super duper a quite a bit in it and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► had a lot of people over the last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► particular I but I wanted to get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► take so if I had to get a recommendation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► from you do you think that cloning is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/749">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► question answer is cloning better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► incremental backups in general from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► perspective for the regular I'm talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► for the regular person I don't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► is because it's not built into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► operating system for it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► reason I gave last time that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/767">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► SuperDuper because you doesn't require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► you to buy another piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► even though it's cheap and well worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/775">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► the money it doesn't require you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/776">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► remember to set it up and run it and set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► it on a schedule or any of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► that there's so much that can go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► for people who are not into computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► getting that scenario set up whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► with time machine literally all you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► to do is the hardware especially with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/791">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► desktop you just plug it in turn it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/792">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► it's not as good in time in the time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► a restore maybe because like if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► you say alright my main harder it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► bad I want to be able to reboot into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/803">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► super duper is your only choice there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/806">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► right if something goes wrong and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► through the whole time machine restore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/811">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► procedure you can't boot from your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► machine drive you probably need to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/814">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► another hard drive but I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► impediment is probably appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/816">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► regular people because you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► them to be able to immediately boot into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/819">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► the secondary drive because now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► sailing without a net and a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► secondary drive for months until it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/824">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► machine is still my recommendation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► non tech savvy none you know the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► who aren't into computers they just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► to use it I want it to work I have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► with time machine it's built in and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► of the things that are annoying to geeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► about it I think would actually help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/840">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► regular people make sure they do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► trade-offs and use whichever one they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► find is appropriate I think they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/847">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► know that I've rebooted my SuperDuper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► backup I missed whatever files that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► been changed since then so maybe a day's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► worth of work I know I'm now sailing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► without a net I know I can't use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/857">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► permanently I know I need to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► what's wrong with the internal drive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/860">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► buy a new one or fix it or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► know it's totally different for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► who are listeners of the show basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► computer or savvy listeners of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► show's family I would say Time Machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/870">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► ok alright so let me move on so he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► a couple more follow up things here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► people kept asking where I said to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/877">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► hard drives from and I guess I misspoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► or wasn't clear with the site I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► referring to which will be in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/884">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► notes and I actually put it in last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► week's show knowledge to is storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► review.com and it's not to buy hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► drives is to research them if you were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► nerd and you want to know which hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► drive mechanism has the best balance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► performance price capacity and noise or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► whatever criteria you want they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► this awesome tool there with a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► checkboxes you can compare drives on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► criteria that you want and then put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► big graph of them it's it's excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► any time I buy a hard drive since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► mostly buy internals I go to that side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/911">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► and figure out what is the the top drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► and they have they have these leader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/914">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► boards they call them where they show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► you what's the best desktop hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/917">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► you can buy and they usually give one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► two choices and what's the best clap top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/920">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► hard drive what's the best SSD what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► the best you know home theater hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/923">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► drive and I tend to shop mostly by price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/925">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► cassadee and speed but I also always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► sensitive to that so I love how you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► you say to the people who are listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► to the show well if you're nerds you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► don't know they're all I was listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► anyone goes it's not it's not an insult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► to call somebody nerd in 2011 I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► know I still be an insult but mmm we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► yeah very shouldn't be it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► insult to nerds insult to people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► don't want like to think of themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/953">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► so where do you buy your drives from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► yeah so then I after a researcher that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► just gives me a product name and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/958">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► side has like links to different places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► you can buy them in price checking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/961">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► things or whatever but I tend to just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► to my old standbys I like Newegg I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► a lot of good luck with them they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/966">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► usually have good prices newegg.com I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► buy from Amazon I just sometimes do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► Google searches and sort by price and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► reputable with the mechanism but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► hard drive mechanism when you're buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/977">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► a raw mechanism there's nothing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► comes in the box it's just the dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/980">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► there's no cabling there's no stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► that the warranty is provided by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/983">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► manufacturer not by the company that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► buy through so I'm not really that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► worried about the vendor you just pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► wherever has a cheapest price on it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/993">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► fly-by-night you know yeah I usually go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► the Amazon yeah that's you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► have Amazon Prime yeah shipping it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► just yeah Amazon Prime is the best thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► in the world if you buy one TV every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► three years you more than pay for Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► company something I think people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► know about Amazon Prime is that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► go in on it with several different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► people so whatever the price is per year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► you can split that among several people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► right or you can you can give it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► family members who might want to need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► as their Christmas gift it's you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► by any reasonable amount of stuff from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► Amazon during a year you will easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► make your money back and Christmas slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► and you might get back on shipping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► it's just great because I no longer have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► to worry about bundling up products into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► multiple shipments I mean if I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► new egg in the price for something I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► just actually looking this morning at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► Western Digital caviar black drive one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► terabyte drive and I think it's like 89 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► bucks at new egg and it's you know are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► 89 bucks at Amazon and 84 bucks plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► shipping at new egg but I can get free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► shipping at Amazon and ones a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► competitively priced these days so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► you're really not going to find a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► difference a what's the next thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► so I've got I was trying to remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► name of that other s3 based backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► service that's a backup service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► uses Amazon's s3 service for its storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► so you end up having to pay a fee for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► the s3 storage as well as paying for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► remember the name of it but I looked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► up afterwards and it's arc AR Q it's by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► haystack software it's haystack software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► comm /a RQ a or Q and it's it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► like an Indy Mac version of this where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► they're concentrating 1% on the Mac if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► you look at their home page for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► product they they show how they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► only product and the ones that they list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► anyway it does 100% save and restore of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► all Mac specific metadata there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► little program called backup bouncer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► that it's like a benchmark but they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► make a bunch of files with esoteric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► metadata set and you're supposed to back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► them up with your software and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► restore it and then it will diff the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► and see if you missed any flags or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► missed any permissions or ACLs or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► millions of other things that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► in there and their product is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► one that passes all the tests with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► flying colors no it is a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► expensive because s3 charges you for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► know sending and receiving it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► charges you for the permanent storage it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► really depends on how much data you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► I guess but it's not like one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► flat rate unlimited things but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► definitely interesting and I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► when I see a product that boasts on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► homepage we understand the Mac we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► this better than anybody and I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► on the back of all the other companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► you know by Twitter or various email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► feedback to say you guys have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► better about saving and restoring Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► metadata like I said with Backblaze it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► is not good about doing that and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► accepting that trade-off just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► it's inexpensive and that's not what I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► plan on using it for but I'm definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► aware of this issue and I just wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► everybody would get better at that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► could do a whole show and meditate it - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► yes maybe that'll be a different one Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► what else available and CrashPlan a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► of people talking about CrashPlan i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► mentioned it on the other thing i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► if i was going to go from back plays the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► first place I would look is CrashPlan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► lots of people like it I've heard bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► things about the Java client and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► got the feedback on the show some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► agree the Java client is a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► bloated and on Mac like but other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► say they've had no problems with in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► it seems snappy to them so I guess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► just depends on what your expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► are but the pricing now is very close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► what back place has the only downside is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► that I think don't think they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► and one crash my feature that it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► mention that a lot of people are fans of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► is that you can send your data to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► another Mac that has crash plane on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► right so you don't have to send it to s3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► or up into their cloud thing I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► can even do this for free with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► free version if you and your buddy both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► get free versions and you both have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► Fastnet connections you can backup to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► each other rather than outright or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► even if it's just you you can back up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► another one in another location you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► could backup you could put an old Mac on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► you know on your your parents network at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► home or whatever and and use it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► could do it on the same network so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► that was going to mention that too that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► they do have some compelling features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► the only downside and it's really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► that big of a downside I have used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► CrashPlan client it's not a bad client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► it doesn't necessarily feel and look and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► work exactly like all the Mac OS 10 apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► that we were used to but it's not bad so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► lets you know that that's a certainly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► fair alternative and there's i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► think there are advantages to each but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► think you're right i don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► they have a month-to-month they just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► the one year i think that they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► family plan for two to ten computers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► like 120 year they're a whole year thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► is about fifty bucks which is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► much the same as back Blaze's pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and they've gotten a lot better the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► pricing has gotten better from what i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► heard their client has gotten better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► if you look at on the ark homepage for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► you know how well they do it mac method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► they did it i believe they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► doing a lot better than Backblaze for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► doing that metadata so CrashPlan seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► like a solid choice i always hesitate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► recommend Backblaze i mean i use it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► like it and i haven't had a reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► change but CrashPlan always gets high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► rated and people seem to love it too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► just because i haven't seen a reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► switch doesn't mean you should you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► go back go exactly is just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► that's what i use i'm using it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► variety of reasons that may not apply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► you so you know check them both out oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► and the final thing i'll follow up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► encryption i didn't mention this all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► almost all the backup things encrypt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► your data they'll you know they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► just shoving your sensitive files up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► Amazon s3 or into their cloud things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► just in their raw and encrypted form so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► anybody could look at it and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► most of them do is they try to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► feel like even employees of the backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► company cannot see your data so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► always have like there's an encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► key but there's a secondary private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► encryption key that only you have and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► or then you have to enter that secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► encryption key so in theory if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► if the CEO of the backup company wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► to look at your files he couldn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► because he doesn't have your secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► encryption key now in practice it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► of wigs me out that some of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► say when you do a web restore just type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► your secret encryption key into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► field on our web server and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► know make I'm sure they're not saving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► developers and it's not showing up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► their logs but if it's gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► private encryption key I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► type into a web form on your website so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► it's not everything up front yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► regular people don't think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► and I'm sure these sites are doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► just because it's convenient and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► want web restore is an important feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► to have but I wouldn't put too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► stock in it so so just assume that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► company that you're backing up to will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► always be able to see your data despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► you know protestations to the contrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► but in general if a thief breaks into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► the encryption company they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► won't be able to see your data everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► does 256 bit AES encryption or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► like that that is you know computation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► computationally unfeasible to do break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► for non-government entities but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► an important feature of backup things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► and I definitely would use a service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► that didn't have any kind of encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► and the encryption thing led to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► feet up about feedback about like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► about file vault which is apples brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► built-in encryption thing where will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► encrypt your home directory I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► to go too far from Titanic because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► already gonna kind of long in this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► maybe we should talk about encryption in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► a different show yeah I actually have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► link in the show notes maybe I'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► out because we don't have time to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► about today but a PGP makes a whole disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► encryption product pitbull yeah do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► exactly what it says encrypt your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► disk and I actually have to use that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► computers at our company because we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► surprisingly none evil whereas file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► vault is surprisingly evil so that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► encryption for now file vault but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► Paul disc encryption not as bad probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► better than you think but all encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► there is some sort of trade-off well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► I'll tell you what I'll tell you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► lets you always tell me pick a show I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► picking it right now I'd love to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► and learn what you know about that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► next week's show so if if I can find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► whole show where the stuff like we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► why I would like to talk about that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► because I think that you I think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► a whole show maybe if not part a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► part of a show we could do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► that's something I think about a lot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► the last time that I used encryption at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► all it there was such a performance hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► on the machine that I had run it on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► I especially because which of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► machines that you want to encrypt you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► want to encrypt laptops you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► encrypt the machines that are the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► typically also the ones that don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► as much horsepower and this was years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► ago but man it was just it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► yeah encryption it that's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► nature of you you you nailed it exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► you always want to encrypt the ones with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► the slowest disk i/o performance and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► you're hurting even more um but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► not Wi-Fi bolts I won't leave oh because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► of bugs all right so what's our what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► a real topic then I saw a real topic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► one that you picked is what did you pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► a Mac OS 10 Lion yeah what we know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► line where we're going as a direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► you know you you so here's the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► asked you I said well do you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► special insight on this can you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► share any secrets do you know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► and you said why I don't know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► well I have no I have no inside info no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► sources you know or telling me stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► even if they did I wouldn't be sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► them so it's generally not my mo but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► I've seen the same things everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► has seen and I'm basically just making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► educated guesses at this point I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1553">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► communicates something in the subtext of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► it I'm very receptive to it I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► right away I understand where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► going and it makes sense in the context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► of what their what the company is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► to do whereas I see in a lot of them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► non-apple specific press they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► confused by apples PRD to take it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► face value or they don't see the subtext [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► or so give us an example I'll about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► are you talking about and I guess for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► for Lion the example would be so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► did that that preview thing of line to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► remember that back in October yeah sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► launcher and things like that yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► that without the show was actually about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► I think was about the new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► High Life and a bunch of other stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► like it was the back to the max show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► in the in the middle of that show they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► had a whole thing about let's show you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► preview of Lion and in the press the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► mainstream press covering that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► mentioned everything that happened they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► focused a little bit more on you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► life because that was kind of the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► of the show and then when they talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► about lion they basically just described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► what was shown and parroted back Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► message about it um which was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► back to the Mac was their pawn on we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► taking the innovations that we put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► iOS and bringing those back to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► um and that was a misdirect because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► people thought back to the Mac meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► back to Apple talking about the Mac but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► there was a double meaning the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► meaning was Apple taking technology from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► iOS and bringing it back to the neck so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► it was a little bit of talk about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► know in Mac OS 10 and iOS converging and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► stuff like that but it wasn't it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► covered that much but when I saw this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► show the message I got loud and clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► was Apple was describing exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► their thoughts were for the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► desktop operating system and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► doing it in a typical way where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► give you a tiny little taste and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► shock you and don't scare people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► they signal their intent pretty loud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► clear to anybody who's been following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► the company for a while so I'll get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► with the back up thing I'll start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► my thesis for Lion and it's in the form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► actually posted this to Twitter so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► anybody who follows me has already heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► this so sorry for the repeat but I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► expand on it here on the analogy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► it's like X is 2 y is a is to bake sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► so my analogy is iOS is two Mac OS 10 as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► the original Mac operating system is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► ms-dos okay I can go along with that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► I I don't I posted on Twitter and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► either disagreed thought I was crazy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► ignored it but I 100% after seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► line preview I think this is exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► Apple the company sees their operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► systems so let me go back through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► saying like iOS is the you know nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► simpler easier to use thing and Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► is the harder thing is you know as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► original operating system Mac operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► system is said dos and it's use extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► command-line thing with a little green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► text on a black screen you have to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► the commands and normal people couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► use it and the original Mac operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► system was it introduced the mouse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► was the first commercially successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► GUI it was just such a huge radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► change whereas if you look at io s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 you know that's not you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► say that's not the an appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► analogy the difference between those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► operating systems is not as big as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► difference between Mac and das right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► they look the same they both use gooeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► they have buttons and scroll bars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► widgets or whatever it's not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► technology being equivalent it's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► Apple thinks about it and when Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► thought about das or any command-line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► computers should work there's too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► stuff that's not important that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► that it gets in the way of regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► person using this device and we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► to eliminate a lot of those things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► make it so that you need to know less to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► get your work done to be successful yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► using this product a thinking man's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► analogy yeah and and so with iOS it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► like them saying what Mac OS 10 is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► and everything it's it's a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► operating system and it's certainly much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► better than das was or a better than any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► existing gooeys but there's still too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► much stuff that you have to know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► it's not important to your work that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► just have to know about to use the tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► and iOS I think was their attempt to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► how much of that stuff can we remove and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► still leave a useful computer so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► take out everything that we can that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► only exists because of you know legacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► of development over decades and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► leave the stuff that lets you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► functionality that lets you get your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► done and that's what they did with iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► and so that philosophy is is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► determine the future of Mac OS 10 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► philosophy is going to say all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► we've got iOS which has shown we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► take out tons and tons of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► you had to know how to use the had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► know how to do to use a Mac and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► have a useful product in the end so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► to get rid of as many of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► that they've seen that you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► need to get work done get rid of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► and that's what this presentation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► about and it just mentioned one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► or three little things so it didn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► like that big of a deal but I truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► believe that Apple's go with Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► is to eliminate all those things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► are not important that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► baggage that are noise to to getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► your job done and so in the presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► that gave legs a little bullet list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► of the features they were bringing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► iOS to Mac OS 10 so that they're phrased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► it a different way they say we're taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► features from iOS and bring them to Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► I think that's putting in Reverse and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► think their real goal here is to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 as noise-free as iOS so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► they're actually removing things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► you needed to know about before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► trying to make us you don't need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► about them now and they phrase it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► terms of adding a feature so they listed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► multi-touch the App Store app home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► screens full screen apps autosave and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► apps that resume when launched and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► sounds like a hodgepodge of weird iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► features but each one of them is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► trying to eliminate something for Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► 10 the App Store is an easy one we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► already seen the Mac App Store we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► what it is it came ahead of line that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► not a part of the operating system it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► a separate feature now of Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► and it's clear what that's getting rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► of the act of downloading installing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► updating applications is just noise like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► we saw they saw on iOS this stuff with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► the DM G's disk images are awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► they're certainly better than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► expanding zip files or stuffit expander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► files or all these other ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► things so DM G's were in advance but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► it's still too much noise they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► people don't want to understand about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► mounting to stick images and dragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► things off or running and install our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► sometimes and how do I you know update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► the application well spark will help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► that where you have the update from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► within the application but that was hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► or miss and it was a third-party thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► so Apple said we've seen that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► make downloading buying downloading and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► installing and updating applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► really easy way more people will do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► right so let's get rid of that noise for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 so they phrase it in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► adding the App Store but what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► trying to eliminate is all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► which they feel like it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► important to the experience okay you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► sick you're starting to sell me on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► now um so I don't wanna go to much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► than that cap store because we've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► elimination multi-touch gestures that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► seems like a straight pull over but Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► gestures what they're trying to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► there is remove visible controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► make it so that you know invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► controls so like for example there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► visible scroll bars in iOS and somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► the that you know it still works because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► you know it turns out that just touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► a dragging is way easier than having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► visible scroll bar and this roll thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► does appear to give you some feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► about where you are on a document but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► there's something that's traditionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► been in Mac OS 10 because if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► eliminating scroll bars that's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► to fly right right well but what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► doing instead is saying all right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► the new features that we're going to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► are from some existing features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► didn't have visible controls like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► applications or showing the desktop or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► going to dashboard or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► that those always had some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► either key combination or you hit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► function key or you had a screen corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► all those things are not as friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► Apple feels as gestures and they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► like iOS has proved that to them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► screen corners are dangerous I know have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► you ever seen anyone who's not a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► expert computer user accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► trigger screen corner thing and like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► their windows fly off in shows that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► great I cannot enable that feature on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► all my family's computers because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► just accidentally triggered all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and it freaks them out all right so as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► convenient as that is for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► used to it it's not novice friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► function keys forget it they'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► remember that f9 is expose and f10 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► show dashboard or even though on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► Apple keyboard they have little pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► that are trying to help you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► little dial things or dashboard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► still not friendly but gestures have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► sort of curve of the word as it for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► kinesthetic or something like yeah when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► you when you make motions with your with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► your body you're able to remember them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► better than you know remembering words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► or positioning something or putting some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► describe pressing a string element or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► I still think they'll be difficult for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► people to learn but I think iOS has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► shown that they're more likely to stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► if someone does make the effort to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► it two or three or four times they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► have the problem of you're running out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► of places to rub your finger so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► certainly you're not going to rub them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► on the screen but they do have that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► trackpad that you can buy for desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► Mac's now I have that people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► into that can definitely use that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► afraid most people will not buy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► they do all their mice now have a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► for you to swipe with your fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► also afraid that's a little bit of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► ergonomic problem it is I have that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► but but it's clear that Apple wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► that they realize they can't completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► eliminate on-screen controls from a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► but they want any new features to always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► have this way to do it as well because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► think it might do better than all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► existing methods I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► successful there be until they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► doing some sort of hybrid touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► you know Mac thing with the horizontal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► touchscreen instead of just the trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► or whatever but that's the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► they're going is they really want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► they like the idea of eliminating taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► things off the screen and putting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► into the muscle memory of the user full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► screen apps is similar in that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► elimination like let's get rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► menu bar it's get rid of the dock let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► get rid of all these overlapping windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► you're probably just doing one thing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► a time especially if you're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► sophisticated user you just want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► one thing certainly iOS and the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► shown that it's perfectly possible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► have a reasonable experience doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► especially with the multitasking well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► have a lot more horsepower on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► encourage people to make full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► applications and they tried to add the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► trying to add features to make full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► screen applications not as annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► because if you're in a full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► application now you're like I'm stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► here what if I want to go over to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► other application and do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► briefly I can go add a full-screen mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► right go to the other application do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► thing I want if you come back here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► come back into full screen mode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► sometimes you can all tap around when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► you're in full screen mode but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► confusing and it's not easy to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► straight with all the other overlapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► windows so they're trying to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► easier by adding features to let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► send apps fullscreen and then have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► sort of cordoned off in there and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► UI into a different category so you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► your regular desktop which all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► overlapping windows and then each full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► screen application is itself shown as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► big tile and their little new expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► type thing and then dashboard is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► tile so it's like three categories of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► things dashboard the desktop with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► your allowing Windows and then one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► application you can switch between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► using a gesture and I would assume also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► using alt tab and they stay fullscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► and your shuffle between them sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► like you shop between iPad applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► easier for developers to do they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► resuming when launched I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► they'll be just either better AP is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► developers to do that or simply just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► encouraging developers to WOD see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► this is going to be the new status quo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► and a good Mac application should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► eliminate something that's historically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► been there the file save menu save as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► all that stuff it's not going away but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► they've seen that in iOS it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► experience like for example on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► without bothering the user ever about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► saving you know there's no menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► there's no save right and somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► certain classes of applications work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► it's really difficult to do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► desktop user just used to that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► like well you know sometimes I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► want to autosave and in fact even on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► iPad I bet people have been kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► screwed by autosave with like oh really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► I didn't want to do that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► realize it was going to save and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► like to go back to my previous version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► you know they wanted to be explicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► experiment and as long as they don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► they haven't really ruined anything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► there's still a tension between those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► conclusively shown that the balance is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► swinging heavily in favor of autosave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► successfully versus say I mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► the people been sitting in front of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► computer for three hours and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2338">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► haven't saved you come in tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► what's right and I'm working on my novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► have you saved yet I always ask people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► that have you saved they said no I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► I'll wait dumb done he's like please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► save say if every few paragraphs save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► early save often they just don't do it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► mean I think I think I guess what what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► in the back of people's mind when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► comes to saving is they don't they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► like well what if I want to change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► how do I get it back you know and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► think incremental saving saving with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► revisions is something that like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► Docs will do for example so if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► completely and I think he'd convert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► everybody that's more of a geek feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► I think if you just if you just change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► expectations like the generation of kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► that grows up now with iOS just expects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► auto-saving all the time they won't sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► right versioning should be there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► because for the Nerds it's there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► like if some person is having trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► with their computer a tech-savvy person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► can help them say oh you may not known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► about this feature but in fact it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► actually saving your revisions and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► several versions like if you show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► someone Dropbox and you just give it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► them they use it for a while and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► and they call you up and I lost some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► changes whatever then you can show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► Dropbox feature of getting back previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► revisions but up to that point they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► don't need to know the Dropbox is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► versioning or it to be an integral part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► of this necessarily needs to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► people's faces but I do think it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► be added there eventually just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► there's an escape hatch for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► when you do need help your data is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► somewhere oh so let's see what else they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► had there oh and a launch pad is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► part of the Mac App Store thing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► iOS has shown that if you shove the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► applications to people's faces they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► use them and remember they exist whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► if you buried in the Applications folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► in Mac OS 10 you know even if you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► application installation easy people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► forget things exist there it was not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► their dock they don't realize it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► when they want to launch something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► especially if it's not in a dock they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► get a dig forward it's it's an upsetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► experience whereas iOS your said look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► we're going to put every application you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► have in a series of screens and a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► flat grid of icons not it not even any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► sort of nesting for you know for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► and so now you know where all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► applications are you know how to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► screens with with a reasonably natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► gesture that once you do it once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► and that works people buy applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► they use them in huge numbers much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► greater numbers than people were buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► or using Mac applications so that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► they're doing with Mac OS 10 is saying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► lot we've learned that we don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► have this huge drop off after the dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► that was the problem Mac OS 10 if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► application is not in the dock your next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► option is the finder and the conceptual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► gap between a single line of gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► icons on the bottom of your screen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► you can't hide with Windows and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► finder which is a navigation tool for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► your entire huge harddrive structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► there's a huge gap between those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► things and that's why people once they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► go off the cliff of the dock they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► want they don't want to go to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► finder they don't they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► navigate they're not sure they're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► right place they don't know where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► are they have no conception of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► filesystem hierarchy it's just a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► scary place to go that's why you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► people with tons of icons in their dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► because they say well I always know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► the dock is it's always on top you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► hide it with any other windows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► doesn't you know have any hierarchy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► people just drag things to there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► even if their little tiny icons that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► eventually find it are you feasible John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► not really where is a doc my it depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► on the computer on a laptop it's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► right side because the screens are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► smaller too and it's pinned to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► bottom because I want to get it out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► the way on my desktop it is actually on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► the bottom but I have a dragon when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► on the desktop is it pinned I keep I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► keep it centered I have two other drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► thing Docs I don't put any folders of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► files in my dock the only reason I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► my dock visible at all it's because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► notification API the thing that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► the little thing bounce right and puts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► the little badges you know the icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► that API is not available for third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► parties if it was the drag thing would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► incorporate it and I would never have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► the dock visible but as things stand I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► need to see where the icons bounce I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► need to see when little message appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► on a little badge appears on my icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the dock is the only application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► can do that so it has to be visible so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► have it visible and it's on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► of my screen and that's what I use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► for it's kind of disappointing but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► regular users it's the simplification of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► the dock is a big big benefit and launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► pad is trying to bridge that gap between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► the simplified dock that can hold a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► icons that you use a lot and the scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► world of the finder by saying as in iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► application and click on launch pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► which will be one icon on your dock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► we will show you all your applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► in a gigantic grid of little icons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► is very familiar to anyone's use iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► so now there's not you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► another reason people don't need to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► to the file system anymore but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► have your most frequently used icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► applications in the dock and then go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► launch pad for everything else and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► applications and you'll won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► trouble finding things I bet you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► alphabetically or something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► people will be able to find stuff how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► they can't but just do like they do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► their phones and just flick like until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► they see it and click and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► will eliminate a lot of the anxiety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► about where your applications are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► you know it eliminate the problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► people forgetting to even have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► application by always putting them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► in their face and this is another thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► from iOS and was it taking away is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► taking away the finder the finder will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► they're just trying to make it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► you don't have to use it this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► this thing you don't have to know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► the file system and yet one more way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► it was kind of sad that you'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► know about you can't think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► finder for installing applications to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► deal with the disk images and finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► where your downloads button to and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► have to know about the finder for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► launching the application if it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► fit in your dock so I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► Apple's move is with the with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► Launchpad thing and they also have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► Mission Control thing which is trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► unify that they claim it unifies expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► dashboard spaces and games but it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► of sad that this thing that unifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► spaces but it does it eliminate spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► right which never worked right anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► and and it had lots of bugs but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► people who use spaces are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► disappointed because space is just gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► you know well but you know before there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► applications that you could download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► that would let you have that essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► that X that functionality which again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► really does come from the X Window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► System I mean it's it's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► the UNIX geeks have had for decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► perhaps and those apps I think may still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► exist and I'm sure though they'll come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► back as soon as Apple takes it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► won't they maybe but those apps didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► work great either no it didn't and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► then the problem that people would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► is different applications didn't behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► consistently in in spaces so you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► have one app that that works when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► set it to be sticky in another app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► doesn't work when you set it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► sticky and just the behavior just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► never satisfactory I think for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► who really wanted to get a lot of use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► out of this I was actually shocked that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► they added it to the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► because of all the features like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► clearly an expert type feature like very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► few people have the discipline and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► experience to arrange their workspaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► or multiple desktops and anything in X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► and B OS or any operating system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► you know semi natively supported this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► takes a lot of discipline to arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► separate workspaces and remember where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► everything is and to be able to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► things between them because if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► turn on spaces for a regular user they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► will end it's like a cruel trick you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► putting all their applications in a maze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► and like where was that window maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► was in that other space and maybe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► this space maybe I'll drag this window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► the place all you're doing is is adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► another layer of obfuscation but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► who use this feature and are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► it's part of their workflow have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► system basically you know of they decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► this is all going to do it either work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► is here in play is here or you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► is for monitoring you know servers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► this is for doing code or my ID window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► is here my simulator when desk space is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► here and this is for web Bret like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► everyone has a system who uses this type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► of thing but the number of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► successfully use spaces even who work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► great it's probably like a fraction of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► percent of all you know computer users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► so I was always amazed at the editors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► feature but I was not surprised that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► was buggy and be that those bugs never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► really worked themselves out because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► would take a tremendous amount of effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► to make spaces bug free and to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► application developers to code in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► space of savvy way and this would all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► for a fraction of a percent of users so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► motivation with an apple and developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► relations and application developers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► general to ensure that spaces is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► seamless experience just for that tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► basically going away and being replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► by this this new hierarchy which is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► know dashboard all you're overlapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► windows and all your full screen apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► different categories it remains to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► seen how it works out they have they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► have simplified it into that single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► screen I think that single screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► arrangement does kind of make some sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► but it's kind of weird that they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► with four in the demo they had four they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► do with four big tiles on top dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► all your overlapping windows and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► had two full screen apps in the demo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► I assume if you had more full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► apps they would slowly fill that top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► part and then the the bottom part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► window is all your windows grouped by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► application not including the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► screen one that's I believe I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► of users will immediately grok the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► arrangement versus the existing expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► one where you say just show me every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► single one of my windows and a big hairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► mess and I'll figure it out but we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► see that and they keep rearranging those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► screens I don't think they really hit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► the perfect one I think what they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► like to do is like an iOS where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► completely simplified and you just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► know every application is full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► and you switch among them in a visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► obvious manner with the gesture or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► changing to you know you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► application to another and it's just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► big flat list I don't think you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► away with that on machines that can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► like 16 gigs of memory yeah tons of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► robbing windows but I think they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► consider that legacy noise and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► would get rid of it if they coats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► they're trying to herd towards that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► saying we're going to give full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► prominence as separate entities and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► those other old applications will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► represented by a single icon called your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► desktop on the top of the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► your desktop shows your desktop you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► not your just the finder but all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► topping windows in that big mess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► one icon that's like the legacy bin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► then all the fullscreen ones I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► think this is going to fly but the demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► was clear signal that saying now hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► guys wouldn't it be great if that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► legacy Ben didn't have your app in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► and it got its own nice fullscreen icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► on the top so they could switch to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► application more easily that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► was the subtext of that demo hmm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► that's how I think seeing that demo they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► didn't demonstrate much technology wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► they didn't talk about underpinnings I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► think it was all about them expressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► how much they love iOS as compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 and how much they view Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► 10 now is the DOS like the unfriendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► you need to know too much stuff computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► experts required to operate it not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► normal people operating system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► they're going to try to make Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► and not like that anymore they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► to try to bring it out of its role as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► the dose of the the Apple world and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► beautiful new operating system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► regular people can use so John do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► think that this is something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► certainly a movement that they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► and they're saying this is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► new direction and in that sense then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► that's if that's true is lying then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► transitional operating system and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► whatever comes after lion becomes even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► even further down the iOS path I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► at least half the things that trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► 2 to make Mac OS 10 less difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► use and to eliminate those legacy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► I think at least half of them are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► to fail or not come off the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► wanted to yeah just because it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► thing to do like for example when Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► made the original Mac operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► they didn't start with the Apple 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► operating system and try to file off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► sharp edges and write okay well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► like Apple 2 but you don't need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► like the commands to load things from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► floppy disks will will have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► button you can press but no they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► they start over scratch and it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► much easier to do that and with iOS not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► underpinnings but with the UI they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► from scratch and say let's take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► finder put it on this phone okay now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► let's just figure out how to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► nice maybe we'll use like launcher over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► button view or something in the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► and then we'll have a mode with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► scroll bars don't you know they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► started clean slate springboard is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► a grid of icons it has no relation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► anything you've ever seen on the Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► know all the apps are fullscreen there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► no windows anywhere it's so much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► to do that so now they're faced with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► task of taking an existing thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► trying to file off the sharp edges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► it's really really Arden it's a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► long long road and some some things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► obviously iOS devices are not sufficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► for all of our needs because a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► point you need multiple windows you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► to be looking at more than one thing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► once you need these persnickety level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► controls to do certain types of tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► and the mouse is not a finger and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► disadvantages versus a finger but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► especially for extra users as advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► so they can't file everything off and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► think a lot of their failures are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► to come from attempting to go a bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► too far with one particular aspect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► the system so for example full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► apps I don't think they're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► the buy-in from developers that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► would really want out of that or if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► do I think they'll see some resistance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► to users because if it's not completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► everything isn't full screen then you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► got this weird hybrid and people find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► off-putting or I think you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► find it off-putting where you're you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► switch among applications without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► getting at a full screen mode but some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► of the apps in full-screen mode and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► of them are not and you get you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3178">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► to get into the situation where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► like well I liked it better this UI is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► nice but I'd like to be able to also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► peek at this other thing over here or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► dragged from you know iPhoto into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► other application but when I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► fullscreen I can't drag for it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► used to be able to when I didn't have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► in full screen mode so let me get iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► add a full-screen mode let me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► it's it's a tough hybrid and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► that's going to be a hard sell and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► not sure what the with the eventual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► result will be some of them are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► brainer wins though like getting ranked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► getting rid of application installation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► woes yeah that that's that's just yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► you were John you were telling me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► you actually think that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► going to improve even further in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► than the way that it is right now with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► the App Store in 10.6 ten F I'm hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► like what I was really hoping for with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► the Mac App Store was was you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► uninstall you know like I'm on iOS hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► your finger down on the button and hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► the close box and then the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► is uninstalled and they just didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► uninstall they just didn't do a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► and rack App Store as it exists in Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► disappointment because people used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► that from iOS I'm tired of this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► hold down the button hit the thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► deleted or maybe they can delete it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► iTunes but the point is it's easy enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► for a regular person to do regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► people get bored of an application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► they delete it and they have no problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► with it on the Mac they're either afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► to they don't know how to maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► drag it to the trash maybe they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► grab the icon from the dock and drag it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► to the trash we've seen people do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► yeah and you might argue well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► should work and why doesn't it but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► you say well should that really work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► maybe it shouldn't work or you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► you've got this application this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► central place to do this stuff the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► App Store if it had an uninstall option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► a screen that showed all your installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► applications had a big button that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► on install this application surely Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► can pull that off because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► controlling the installation 100% they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► can in theory track wherever they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► every single file and remove them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► know that it's up to that they control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► the horizontal and the vertical here so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► well it's funny because if you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► well if you think about the way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► that you install and delete apps on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► like you mentioned you know there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► way to install them and there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► simple way to delete them and that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► three-year-old son by the way knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► to delete apps thank you um and I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► that because maybe they made it too easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► I don't always want him to delete apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► but he can and it's simple enough to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► but you know my masters educated college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► professor mom doesn't always know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► and it's it's fascinating to me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► difference there and that it's so easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► that literally a child can do it on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► and that somebody who's computer savvy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► experience might not always know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► they're supposed to delete something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► it's just it's fascinating and what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► I think at the same time is that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► don't know if I would like it if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► were to lock you know on iOS where where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► are my applications stored well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► know they're just right here on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► screen and I tap it and it launches the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► app right but where do those files exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► where is the app exists well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► know well if you told me that I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► know and be able to know on on a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► computer I would be like you're crazy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► have to know I have to know where it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► you know I have to know that it's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► Applications folder which is the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► you know I like I would have to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► that or I can I can make an Applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► folder within my user directory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► it'll be a magic application folder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► I can launch things from there and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► that into the dock because I want it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► the dock and then I can decide whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► it's displayed as a folder all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► things are things that geeks like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► it almost seems though like the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► who like doing things like that on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► computer would be very disappointed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► something that was dumbed down if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► will and and the flip side of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► the people who are coming up now who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► content with an iPad as perhaps their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► main portable computer might like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► kind of thing on on the Mac if you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► I think that's a it's usually a false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► choice especially on a desktop the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► user-friendly features are built on on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► foundation of a series of layers each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► which is comprehensible at that level so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► what you want to do to build like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► really easy you know like a Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► Store thing we just click a button to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► install and uninstall you wouldn't build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► that as a monolith you wouldn't build it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► as a big applications those fancy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► that you don't know about and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► one interface to it you build it on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► stack of other technology so at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► bottom you'd have the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► then the file system then a package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► management system then you know a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► GUI for that looks at the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► management system and then maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► command-line interfaces to both of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► things and there'd be a single shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► library that they both use and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► very tippy top of this nice stack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► which has a public interface you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► if you're interested in it that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► you put the icing of here's the rice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► nice easy UI that everyone will use but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► for the people who want to go beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► that you don't want them to peek under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► the covers and just see a big jumble of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► wires you want them to see a nice series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► of modules and Mac os10 mostly does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► if they had a decent package management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► system that was native instead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► current installer that can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► uninstall that would be accessible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► you can imagine them making a GUI tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► and utilities that just interface with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► that system and of course there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► finder and then is the command line like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► there's a stack of comprehensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► technologies underneath there and unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► on iOS where they hide all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► because of the ridiculous you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► jailbreaking Apple control freak thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► where they just don't want anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► messing with it that's not going to fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► on the general-purpose computer you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► have to give that kind of control to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► certain classes of people and even who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► is like iOS and lock down by default you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► know this the settings and defaults and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► interface you provide to people doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► define the destiny of that product just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► defines what most people will use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► as long as everything else is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► unlockable in a none you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► going against the Apple way illegal DRM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► cracking jailbreaking ridiculous stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► as long as it's available simply by you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► knowing what to click and and hauling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► your way down I think that's perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► acceptable and I think that's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► desirable and Mac OS 10 does that to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► amazing degree which is why we all love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► it so much is that it's got because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► everybody even if you're an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► sometimes you just want to use the nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► GUI sometimes you don't want to fiddle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► with things sure and compile everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► from source or whatever so we love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► this is a nice GUI there but we love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► that also we can peel away that layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► and there's something a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► closer we can go we can set up using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► dock we can do the finder and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► can go a little bit closer we can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► the terminal and you want to go closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► to that start writing C programs against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► the BSD API it's like it's all there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► you to view to use at whatever level you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► feel comfortable with all Apple is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► as far as I can tell so right now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► trying to build up the layers make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► as robust as possible and start putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► and keep putting better and better icing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► on the top so that people don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► know about this stuff I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► there's any any signaling from anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► inside Apple or out or any demo they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► done that says that on the desktop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► they want to take away those layers if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► anything they revel in those layers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► they have sessions on every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► layer of that of the technology stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► and you just go to whatever session is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► you are not trying to hide it from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► they're not doing like what they do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► iOS I'm just saying you can't use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► level API you can only use the cocoa API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► is everything else you know just stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► away from it they're they're saying look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► make the application you need to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► here is this huge stack of technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► we have or whatever layer is appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► to you make your app of that layer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► to users they seem to be saying the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► thing so here we are an hour later yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► microphone usually goes bad too I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► one hour lifetime on this microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► that starts to fuzz out but so far so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► so what do you what do you think John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► mean what what does this mean then for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► for those of us who are here it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► sounds like it sounds like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► painting a pretty positive picture so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► everything I've seen so far is has made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► me optimistic now granted that the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► date they say for Lian is summer 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► and we haven't seen anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► since that demo that bothers me a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► bit just because I don't know what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► they have in store what if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► waiting to announce them at Macworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► today oh I don't I really doubt that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► would expect like dev builds right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► know developer release one of lion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► doesn't even have half the features they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► demoed in that preview but it's just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► people to get their applications ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► like I would like to know what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► doing under the covers the internals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► that's a whole other topic we might say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► for a different show but I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► know any more than they've shown and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► what they've shown has has signaled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► me their sort of their vision their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► mission statement for the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► operating system it doesn't tell me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► all the little steps they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► to get there and where they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► go wrong and where they're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► blind eyes and how many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► versions of the operating system it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► going to take them to get there that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► still uncertain but I think with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► it's important to know where they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► they want to go because then you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► all their other actions in that context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► and you can see why are they doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► thing or you know and how are they going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► to judge their own success for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► particular feature what are they going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► to consider this teacher turned out well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► let's do more of that or let's do less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► of you know this other thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► understanding their vision the vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► they've articulated so far is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► that it also would help you understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► why for example iPhoto in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► version of my life is so horrible yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► think it's bad because they were trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► to get closer to the iOS ideal and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► interesting ways so they they took away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► features that they thought were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► noise with the people actually needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► they tried to make it friendlier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► more iOS like with attractive graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► functionality people use be farther away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► in terms of number of clicks it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► made the experience worse for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► were experts at using that particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► application and they also made it slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► and a little bit more bloated and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► time you make a program slower with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► subsequent revisions people get angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► this is the danger of trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► things more iOS like if you go from zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► to iOS people like it if you go from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► nago is 10 to iOS people complained wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► that's a great that's a great quote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► that's that's your variable today that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► going to be their problem the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► going to be that in their eyes they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► a better application but people now know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► what they're missing people have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► using a particular feature for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► time when it goes away they're upset now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► I don't know if you're gonna say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► they made Iowa they made iPhoto 11 worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► in ways that have to do with performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► and stuff like that is unarguably and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► when you make the program slower it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► just worse period no argument about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► but you can have a reasonable argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► about the new iPhoto actually being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► better because it removes those features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► that people are angry about missing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► say well you may be angry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► because you used to do it a certain way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► but people who never use this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► before will like the new version better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► because we've eliminated choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► it's not as confusing to them that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► the struggle they're going to have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► through they can either wait for all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► people who are used to those features to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► die and then worry about it bring up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► next generation right they can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► figure out how to strike the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► balance like that's they have to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► out the right balance between hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► features that were noise and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► features that people use easier to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► when you combine it with adding bugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► going slower you're never going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► friends so iPhoto was kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► trying to do this but I think they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► learn from this I think they'll learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► from it in a similar way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► learned from what was that I move eh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► one that followed iMovie HD iMovie seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► or eight yeah when they had to basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► they dumbed it down and started over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► yeah and they ship the old version with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► it yes so people wouldn't complain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► said luck we know we took out tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► stuff you can still use the old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► it works fine here we're going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► it to you on the disk that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► pretty big sign of you know failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► where they're saying we can't just ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► this the way it is we have to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► the old version too otherwise they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► complain the the chat room said that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► iMovie a twit yeah I love I would mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► if they did that with iPhoto this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► completely yeah I I would be angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► because I'm still using iPhoto for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► but I by the time I movie 9 came around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► they they add a lot of stuff back they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► didn't include the old version anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► the old version was still more capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► in a lot of ways but iMovie 9 is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► better balance so if they had come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► with iMovie 9 originally instead of 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► you could say okay now that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► been a better compromise so they learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► from from their mistakes and they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► it better so I really hope that iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► twelve strikes a better balance between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► simplifying the application and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► it easier to use and still making it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► better program faster more capable fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► bugs and keeping the features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► people had come to rely on move should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► end right there sure only only eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► minutes over today yeah not bad you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► to go back to work we're pulling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► away from your your real job but we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► to thank sound studio 4d every you sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► studio to do your record because you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► a double ender on that incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► podcast so if you want more we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► mention that if you want more of of John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► you don't talk about Mac stuff really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► over there much debt that's the anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► Mac's show because it's a bunch of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► guys Jason Snell sort of runs the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► and he's the editor of Mac world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► it's a bunch of other Mac world guys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► me but we do not talk about Mac's top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► sometimes a refreshing change yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► so you can go listen to that and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► called the incomparable podcast or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► incomparable depending on how you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► to pronounce it how do you like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► should I say I think the word in English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► in comparable okay I don't know they me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► every time I pronunciation of a word I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► look it up in the dictionary and both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► pronunciations are there so that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► know it I mean I don't I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► English is the second language for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► yeah you know I say Ethernet staff Turin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► instead of Ethernet so you do not say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► thorough net I've been known to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► anther net you couldn't even say it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► you you said the other way I do I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► been reprogramming myself variable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► substitution well you should well how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► does a whole show about gift versus Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► later okay oh they are you gonna add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► that well anyway we want to see thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► to sound studio for go away you can find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► them at in the Mac App Store that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► place to buy and see that's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► other conversation is how do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► where to buy it if you don't have if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► don't have software right now and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► feels like a really dangerous time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► me to register by software because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► don't know if you buy it this week if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► next week it's going to be out in a dab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► storm you're gonna have to rebuy it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► you don't have to worry about that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► sound studio because it's already in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► App Store so buy it there sound studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► sponsoring right yep no complaints for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► me I believe I do have sound studio I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► think I got it as one of those bundles I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► haven't bought a couple of those bundles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► in years past its the mall the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► looks like kind of a Ripley sand thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► in a circle yeah and your eye your eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► is getting weird but I won't we'll leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► it we won't even edit it out but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► it's it's it's got well the new the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► logo is quite quite fresh it's quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► quite nice it's a microphone with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► green sort of flying out it's very cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► then but you get to go to them you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► need to go to the App Store get the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► one all right well anyway we'll be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► next week noon Friday Eastern and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► can check out 5x5 TV to hear the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► episodes that we've done here you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► hear some of the other shows that we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► as well and John I want to tell you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► don't need to buy them you get them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► free but the the five by five t-shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► store just opened up today there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► shirt for my show though why would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► want someone else's show I want to send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► you the one of me with my other big head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► on it yeah they picked and just a 5 by 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► I think would be good but we will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► more what I can I tell you my idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► what I want now not going time I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► accept people then they won't buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► ones they have on now Apple would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► do that so I won't either right yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► current lineup of shirts is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► line of insurance 5x5 has ever had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplwqf4A/4142">TS</a>]
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