The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► the incomparable number 348 April 2017 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► incomparable i am your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► we are convening another edition of old [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► movie club Oh movie club these movies [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► are so old they're from kids sit down [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► they're from the 1970s Wow is that [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► before light bulbs yes old time they had [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► to settle are a very large fire had to [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► be set in order to project the film well [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► I was it was a long long time ago in [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► this edition we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► about two coming of age movies from the [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► 70s one set in the 70s and one set in [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► the sixth early 60s feels like the 50s [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► but it's the early 60s although by the [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► time it's over it feels like the 80s hmm [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► interesting we'll get there joining us [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► to talk about this first off the person [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► who selected the films as he usually [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► does an old movie club mr. Philip [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► Michaels I Phil you know I i would like [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► to point out the the the most recent of [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► these movies Breaking Away is thirty [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► eight damn years old and if when I was [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► eighteen watching a 38 year old movie it [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► would have been made in 1950 so you know [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► where we're all old old time marches on [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► oh I know yeah the seven the 70 is a [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► decade and in which I believe all of us [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► were born far away now yes yes in short [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► i'm closer to death and birth good night [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► everyone hey this has been old movie [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► also joining us on the on the old movie [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► highway Lisa Schmeisser hello hi there [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► I'm pondering my mortality no wishing I [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► work well you know whose fault that is [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► it's Steve Lutz it's always my fault [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► yeah i was gonna blame Phil actually but [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► I'm happy let's blame Steve just because [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► there would you like to roll some balls [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► and also yeah on this old movie club I [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► believe perhaps his first time in our [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► old movie club its John siracusa despite [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► the math the math in quotes that I just [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► heard I would like to file a formal [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► protest against this being an old movie [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► club these movies can't pasa [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► we be all I another counter fresh and [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► modern and I watched him a million times [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► when I was a kid and I'm practically [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► still a kid so someone's doing something [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► wrong you're a child at heart you're the [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► guy that's iffy for Team old membership [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► as I recall yeah you keep trying to get [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► in and we keep rejecting you because [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► you're not quite old enough all right [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► Phil I guess we should start [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► chronologically right so 1973 American [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► Graffiti American Graffiti clearly [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► George Lucas's best work oh oh no I i [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► well we can talk about that later but it [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► is it should talk about that now we're [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► talking about America okay sure yeah I I [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► will show my s certainly George Lucas's [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► most personal work because it is it is [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► basically him doing a movie about uh hit [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► his teenage years in modesto yeah about [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► him if if the wiki stories are to be [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► believed well basically every one of [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► these characters is supposedly him at [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► some stages young life although I find [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► that highly obstacle sydenham to know I [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► actually think that's a fairly accurate [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► thing and that that I think helps [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► explain why the ron howard and and [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► richard dreyfuss characters are vaguely [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► distinguishable but it basically it is [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► the the last night before the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► aforementioned Richard Dreyfuss and [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► Andrade Howard are going to go off to [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► college and they are going to spend it [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► the way apparently you spent nights in [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► the early 1960s in modesto screws enfora [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► yeah you you cruise around town it's [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► actually san rafael that they're driving [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► around san rafael in petaluma both towns [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that I recognized them we could pick out [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► the different locations and those since [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► I live not far away from both of those [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► locations it's you could you could see [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► it but I grew up not too far from [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► Modesto and when I when I was a kid they [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► was cruising was still a thing he has [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► nothing else to do just drive your car [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► around that's a lot cruising in my town [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► of course they did it was Sandra that's [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► what may be dated cooler that's what [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► made a cooler than it was outlawed and [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► you would do it anyway now Jason as a [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► comment that's made early on by by the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► John character the the holomap yes the [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► fellow who [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► never grown up and is stuck as the as [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the number one racer and he's kind of [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► locked into this this state of being for [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► the remainder of his short life as it [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► turns out but his comment early on is [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► that things are already starting to fade [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► in terms of the cruising scene and I'm [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► curious when you came up was the [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► cruising scene just limping along was [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► there like one car driving back and [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► forth in front of the dairy queen during [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► Jason's rookie season on the cruising [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► I'm occurs in circuit no in fact I have [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► to say um by the time I was a teenager [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► cruising was not a thing but when my [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► brother who was born in 1964 when he was [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► a teenager so let's say the very early [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► 80s it was still hanging on but by the [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► mid to late 80s it was gone hmm that's [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► my cruising knowledge for you there Oh [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► in Tidewater Virginia where I I first [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► became a teenager cruising was actually [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► still a thing in the 80s but to be fair [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► the joke about Newport News and I was [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► growing up was set your clock back 60 [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► years perhaps it was just breaking onto [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► the city but yeah it was it was what I [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► liked about this movie in part was how [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► effortlessly it captures this year [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► pointlessness of your teenagers Friday [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► night especially especially if it does [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► revolve around cruisin like I kept I [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► kept looking over at fill-ins saying I [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► can't relate directly to these [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► experiences but it is hitting all sorts [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► of emotional chords I thought I had [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► successfully repressed if 1980s George [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► child of the 1980s George Lucas is [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► making this movie it's it's hanging out [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► in the mall probably it's going to the [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► the hot dog on a stick and there's a [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► love Zeppelin soundtrack behind it [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► because you know get the net out with [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► something that happened on every rock [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► radio station at nine o'clock at night [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► where you'd be sitting here listening to [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► music that was already much older than [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you were and wondering why where's our [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► music and yeah so to continue [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► introducing the characters we've we've [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► met John Paula Matt who's the s who's [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► the fastest driver in the valley and [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► drag races and a bit of a cautionary [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► tale to because as steve says to kurt [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► early on you want to end up like John [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► yeah stuck in the town forever and then [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► of course a toad who is I guess it still [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► a high school student and and still [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► hanging out with these guys and and [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► really something of a [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► a nerd linger something of a point [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Dexter it's charles martin smith [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► accredited as charlie martin smith to [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► make him cool you stole teenager you [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► know on howard were both the only [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► teenagers on set and his mom probably [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► still called him charlie so you know [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► that's right he does know how to rock a [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► pink sailor suit though so that's some [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► this is the way to think of charles [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► martin smith in this in this is i wrote [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► down he's playing the rick moranis part [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► it's yeah pretty much yes ten years [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► earlier the first time i saw rick [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► moranis i was horribly confused for my [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► money he gets the best lines in the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► picture as well we're introduced to him [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► actually um he rides in on his scooter [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► and crashes in mediating machine yeah [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► and and that that was not in the script [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► that was charles martin smith [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► legitimately crashing into into things [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► and they decided i'll leave it in [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► Charlie okay all right we'll take it and [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► as fortuitous that they did because that [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► sets the tone for him peering like if he [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► hit if he had successfully landed that [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► Vespa it would be harder to sell him as [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► the bumbling hapless nerd that he is the [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► whole way through I mean this is a guy [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► who loses everything all night long he [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► finds whole new ways to lose right we [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► follow the adventures of the this group [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► of four friends as they circle the same [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► real estate in modesto from from dusk [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► till dawn so we've got John and we've [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► got charlie martin smith as Terry the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► toad and and we we haven't we haven't [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► that we have two other fellow I heard [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► yes Kurt who is Richard Dreyfuss yeah uh [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► who who has a bit of the cold feet about [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► going off to college and we have Ronnie [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► Howard as Steve who just just wants to [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► get out of town who apparently cannot [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► wait to get out yeah and is so and is so [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► eager to get out of town he he tells his [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► girlfriend who is Curt's sister played [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► by Cindy Williams who you'll recognize [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► as Shirley of TVs Laverne and Shirley [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► Telles are basically fair we're gonna [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► see other people but we're still going [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► steady okay and an arrangement that she [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► is not entirely sold off I think this [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► might be a relevant point to point out [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► that this is a film that launched to ABC [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► sitcoms right [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► because it's hard not to look at the [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► success of this movie and say this is [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► why happy days featuring Ron Howard was [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► created and Laverne and Shirley [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► featuring Cindy Williams they're both [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► guess said in the 50s aww it comes on [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► ABC I know that the Happy Days pilot was [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► actually shot before American Graffiti [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► but with the success of this film [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► basically ABC said 50s nostalgia is the [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► bee's knees baby and these shows were [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► created with these to activate happy [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► days was American Graffiti and love [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► American style uh having a beautiful [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► baby together and calling it Fonzarelli [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► so that was um yeah and then the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► audience cheers is the baby crowns and [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► is horrifying no the baby was delivered [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► right over a shark though strange how [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► that happen shot across the room and ran [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► into a jukebox that had been broken yes [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► yeah suddenly started playing a little [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► Bailey Bill Haley in the Comets put a [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► glove on the little bottle and waved [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► goodbye as it goes down the conveyor [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► belt we lameos schlemazel so now we [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► enter a critical point in the recapping [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► of American Graffiti in that the movie [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► jumps around from from scene to scene as [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► these four friends spent absolutely no [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► time together on their final night [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► together yes without spoiling a lot one [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► of the things that you brought up and I [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► apologize we're now skipping through [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► this podcast like yeah we totally skip [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► the movie just like American Graffiti [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► we're skipping around to the better yeah [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► but one of the one of the things that [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► Phil brought up when you're watching [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► Breaking Away as he said I cannot for [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► the life of me figure out why these guys [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► all remained friends and i replied well [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► it was it was it's it's a friendship of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► geographical convenience because these [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► guys have probably all known each other [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► since they were kindergartners right and [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► they're their parents are probably [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► intertwined in some ways there's always [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► been pressure to hang out you know [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► suddenly go we're having a BBQ blitz on [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► so the hill you'll see Stevie or what [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► have you and you know aside from the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► circumstances that they shared there's [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► not a whole lot to bond them and so when [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► I was watching American Graffiti right [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► feel it did make sense that they were [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► just kind of splintering off and doing [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► their own thing because as far as they [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► were concerned two of their number were [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► already headed out of the valley and [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► therefore they were automatically taking [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► them cell [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► off that we have something in common [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► list by virtue of leaving they were [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► declaring themselves outsiders the whole [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► tone of this movie I mean this is the [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► end of the summer this is the last [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► hurrah the friends are going off to [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► school you it is about like a last you [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► know everything is ending so them them [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► splitting apart and going their own [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► separate ways on the night is you know [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► that's what they're going to do anyway [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► we've been having fun all summer long [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► and now it's over I find it really [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► interesting that Steve for all of his [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► valedictory ax Brava Brava about getting [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► out of there spends the most time [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► retracing his high school steps over and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► over again like between the sock hop and [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► his inadvertent discovery that when you [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► tell a girl you're gonna see other [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► people she's gonna she's going to take [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► that information and run with it um you [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► know he talked a big game about getting [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► out but I kind of feel like his end like [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► the ending of his movie was was pretty [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► much pretty well to help Telegraph by [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► the end of Act one so so let me leap in [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► there and here's how we will tell the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► tale I will I'll sort of summarize the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► stories of the four characters in the [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► order that I find them interesting I [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► like two quick issues that I have before [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► we go good yeah go ahead Steve first of [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► all and this is just a personal problem [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► I suspect but as with every film i have [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► ever seen with richard dreyfuss in it [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► something about him just makes me want [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► to punch him i'm not sure what it is in [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► this movie he's particularly bad because [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► he's being wishy-washy and i like it [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► does is it i don't know if i'm gonna go [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► to college and i just don't give a rat's [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► ass if he goes or not but there's just [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► something about the way he carries [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► himself that just it's it's hard for me [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► to enjoy anything that he's in and this [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► one is particularly bad the second the [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► second is that one of the main bhi plots [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► of this thing that the Terry the toad B [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► plot is contingent on Steve deciding [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► he's going to let toad have his car [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► while he's away yeah watch it he's not [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► giving it to him who does that oh yeah [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► we opened his his his first act as a car [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► washer is to take off in it and rifle [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► way and Steve seems okay with it he's [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► got his mind on other things yeah i [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► think it's it's steve fancies himself is [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► this benevolent and now little man i [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► give this watch to you [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► curious I'm on to bigger and better [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► pastures I kept this car this cold hard [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► lump of Detroit steel I am the king of [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► Modesto high or wherever and now i'm [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► going to hand it on to you and this will [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► make you as cool as I was it's Riley [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► Allard I think that I I think that part [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► of it was i'm giving you the car because [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► i've grown too big for this town I've [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► grown too big for this relationship I've [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► grown too big for the scene totally damn [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► I don't know beggars belief to me that [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► anybody would will his car to the nerdy [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► friend it's more like you can you can [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► you know just check on it but it's going [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► to be up on blocks and with a tarp on it [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► and don't touch it just just make sure [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► it's still there but in cities like now [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► drive it around to do whatever and have [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► fun Terry the toad proceeds to do so I [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► have a casual relationship with [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► insurances all right yeah it's I feel [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► like the whole reason that Steve is [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► different from kurt i think is that [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► steve has this fantasy in his head of [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► how it's going to work out like he's [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► going to leave in a a love teary [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► goodbyes they'll town will recognize [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► that their lesser without him and and [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► he's off like he's got this whole [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► fantasy in his head about everything [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► will freeze in amber the minute he [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► leaves because he can't conceive of life [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► in that town going on without it like [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► that's just the way he's wired whereas [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► Kurt is terrified that if he leaves and [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► things change without him it proves that [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► he didn't matter at all and you know I [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► think I think that's I think the [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► fundamental differences is that Steve [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► never really planned to leave Steve [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► always just wanted to show the town he [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► was better than they were this episode [TS]

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00:16:25 ◼   ► a defense of richard dreyfuss here who [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► i'm not good luck with it I know I know [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► I'm not going to convince you I I don't [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► have the same the Richard Dreyfuss that [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► let's face it lots of Americans have um [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► 1970s Richard Dreyfuss was really really [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► went on a bit of a winning streak and [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► this was sort of the the beginning of [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► that because in a four year period he [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► did this he did the apprenticeship of [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► duddy kravitz he did jaws he did close [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► encounters of the third kind and then he [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► he capped that off with the goodbye girl [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► for which he won an Oscar so that's [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► that's that's a nice little run of [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► movies there where Richard Dreyfuss [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► could do no wrong even if some people [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► might have wanted to punch him even in [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► Jaws which I dearly love is a film that [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► there's something about him that just [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► makes me want to slug him just haul off [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► and pop him one that's like such a great [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► part of the character in Jaws though the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► idea that yeah that's definitely [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► punchable outside because he is so [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► condescending to ya you're gonna shine [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► yes was no boating accident yes yeah it [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► works in Jaws here here it kind of takes [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► away from my enjoyment but that's my [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► care hmm alright but um okay so the four [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► plots the aforementioned toad getting [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► the car and going up yeah the Ulysses [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► like journey of self-discovery [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► he tries to pick up a girl now that he [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► has a car at his disposal and actually [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► succeeds because he manages to meet [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► Debbie who is played by a bouffant 'add [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► candy clark uh in one of my favorite [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► performances in the movie um bit of an [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► odd duck yeah she I just love the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► perfect perfect foil or kind of Mentor [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► figure really for toad though yeah right [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► she gives toad and education well the [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► fact that she is so weird makes it okay [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► that toad is clearly punching above his [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► weight class when he manages to get her [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► in the car it's not hard to do for dough [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► yeah but you you looking go okay she's [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► she's baddie so obviously you wouldn't [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► she would get in the car with with it [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► with toad and they they go on an [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► adventure that includes toad trying to [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► buy liquor largely unsuccessfully until [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► he's helped out by a helpful um [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► convenience store robber yes uh toad [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► drinking too much liquor toad getting [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► the car stolen from him toad discovering [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► the car towed getting beat up by the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► people who have stolen the car until [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► he's saved by a Palo mad yeah his [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► fortuitous arrival who in honor since [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► John syracuse's on the podcast the deus [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► ex machina no that's rated where he [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► swoops in and saves um uh saves a toad [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► so amazingly car graphite boy yes watch [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► out John Woo I like the fight because it [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► shows exactly how dumb and pointless and [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► confusing these things tend to be well I [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► would have but that's fine but I don't [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► think they could have done better making [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► it look like maybe one or two as punches [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► landed mmm they would kind of look like [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► they were like like a wrestling worthy [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► you know siblings wrestling in their [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► pajamas look more real than that funny [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► but I think I think that is a byproduct [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► of we we have X amount of dollars to to [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► make this movie and we're not doing [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► reshoots so they didn't have the thought [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► technology of quick cuts so it's like [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► well you know this is how long you hold [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► shots and if you people are fumbling [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► against each other is there's no way to [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► fix that it's not like we can make a cut [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► every two seconds or every one second [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► they didn't know you know John Lucas's [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► original script had them fighting from [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► separate couches [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► so I really enjoy the toad storyline I [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► just it is um both very funny very [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► heartwarming very cringe-inducing and um [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► I I think he is one of the more [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► identifiable characters in the movie [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► because who among us doesn't feel like [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► toad where we're trying to to blend in [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► and and look cool and we know deep down [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► in our hearts we can sit in that [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► beautiful car and and no one's going to [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► to be fooled well yep what is his arc [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► though like he ends but we're gonna skip [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► to the end of the night but at the end [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► of the night he ends like he's [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► dishevelled his glasses are broken he's [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► gotten beaten up he's sitting on the [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► curb talking to Debbie and and she's [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► like well you know maybe you can call me [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► like we had actually had a good time she [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► describes her you know we had a good [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► time because here's what we did maybe [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► that was fun for her to watch all those [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► things happen to him like a sort of an [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► observer but toes gotta be saying that's [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► your idea of a good time like why would [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► I sign up for that again why am I ever [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► gonna give you a call is like the idea I [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► feel like you just described his arc as [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► he's had that moment of realization [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► trees like this is bull and you know [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► he's gonna take that observation it's [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► going to make him feel better about [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► being left out of the social flow for [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the next 12 months but is he gonna call [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► her but she's like maybe you can call me [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► sometime you seem like you never get it [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► well yeah my sense is his arc is all [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► that happened but I've got a girl now I [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► don't know that's a good match that's [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► one of my meta problems with this whole [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► movie is that kind of the the lesson [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► there are various lessons of the but [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► like the ideal that everyone is [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► character seems to be shooting for is an [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► ideal that doesn't really sound that [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► appealing it seems like you need a [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► follow-up movie for them to all learn [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► that the ideal that they were all [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► shooting course it was also a lie but [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► that's not this movie well there's more [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► American Graffiti come out either no it [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► really isn't but John what you just [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► articulated the idea that this ideal [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► that you're shooting for is really it [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► falls short of what you could do or it [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► doesn't quite meet up with the hype I [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► feel like that's also one of the points [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► which is that these guys have invested [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► so much emotional capital [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► into this this whole scene and who they [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► are and how they interact with people [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► and is it really worth it and some of [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► them are like oh no it's not whereas [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► some yeah and I think that's one of [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► those pivotal things you learn in [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► adolescence to is is you have your own [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► moment where you look around and you [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► realize I have been prioritizing [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► something completely wrong and wow the [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► scales have fallen from my eyes you know [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► I again I one of the reasons I had like [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► a full body cringe in this entire movie [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► is because he kept nailing all of the [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► notes that go into being like 16 17 18 [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► years old and beginning to try to [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► imagine or articulate the life that [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► you're going to have passed high school [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► and passed these people that you've been [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► thrown with wholly by accident or [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► circumstance for the entirety of your [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► life yeah I do get that I get like [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► pervasive sadness over this whole movie [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► of like of a thing coming to an end like [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► it yeah this movie knows that everything [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► you see here has to come to an end it's [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► that I think I'm staking taking it a [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► step further insight not only is [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► everything this movie have to come to an [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► end but the even if it didn't or even [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► when it was happening was also very [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► horrible and I mean well get to the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► ending ending where they have the gut [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► punch of the faces over the sky as the [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► the final ending of the movie i guess [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► that's their way of fast forwarding is [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► sake and by the way these kids still [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► don't know what the hell's and starve [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► them take a look at this yeah yeah I [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► love that up along it's crap sandwich [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► all around yeah enjoy hope you like the [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► movie welcome to the 70s I think the [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► reason Phil demanded that I be in this [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► podcast is um we watched an epilogue and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► I turned to him and I said you know the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► first time I watched this movie I [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► watched with my parents when I was like [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► 12 or 13 years old and we got to the [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► epilogue and I remember like I remember [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► feeling so shocked and so betrayed by [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► the fact that two of these characters [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► like then died off screen oh and one of [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► them never goes back to the hometown in [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the one of them stays and I was upset [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► that they killed the characters and then [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► what upset me further was realizing that [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► again I was like these guys didn't [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► matter to each other they had lives that [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► I said they just didn't matter they had [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► lives that moved on my parents yeah this [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► is what happens after high school is the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► people that you spend all this time with [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► it doesn't matter what they do because [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► their lives are not your lives and you [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► have to you have to learn how to you [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► have to learn how to [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► move past that and so I think when I saw [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► American Graffiti in a really pivotal [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► age where it's like yeah you don't know [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► what's going to happen and you don't [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► know and and no one's life is going to [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► affect you like your own life choices to [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► you that was that was crystallized for [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► me watching that movie in that epilogue [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► they also tell you don't get into cars [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► with strange men the other big lesson of [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► the movie is if you're walking down the [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► street to be fair no no one ever asked [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► me so is never initiated don't be like [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► me all right sure thank you for that [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► segue John because that leads me to the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► next plot point which is John's Paula [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► Matt's story line whereas he is driving [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► around trying to cruise for girls he [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► runs into a car full of giggly girls and [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► says hey why don't you want to ride with [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► me well you doesn't matter which one [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► yeah you can go with the this girl's [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► sister oga sister Carol Judy's sister [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► Carol Judy's sister Carol is 12 yeah [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► yeah yes Mackenzie Phillips was 12 when [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► she filmed all that mm-hmm and um [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► realizes he has been had spends much of [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► the rest of the movie just fuming about [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► the the evening that he's been dealt I [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► love that though I love her oh you know [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► it's a it's such a very um sweet [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► interaction between those two where he [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► becomes a little bit of her Protectorate [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► what I what I like about this um segment [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► is it I haven't really studied George [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► Lucas I get the assumption that he [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► really likes westerns cuz the paula mack [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► storyline he it's it's the it's the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► gunslinger it's Shane he is the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► protector and he and he drives around [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► town and then and everyone says oh [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► there's a guy gunning for you and he [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► said yeah yeah I know and I I just [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► really like the the interactions between [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► him and and Mackenzie Phillips which I [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► think are delightful well he's set up to [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► at the beginning like one of these [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► things is not like the other like he is [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► teased way too cool for the other guys [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► it's kind of amazing that they speak [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► he's got his fancy car and all of that [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► and so his story gets to be different [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► from the other stories where he's got he [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► gets saddled with this 12 year old girl [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► and he can't find her sister and what I [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► love about that is that that my [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► expectation for this character is [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► completely undermined by the fact that [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► he doesn't dump around the side of the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► road he talks to her and he's annoyed [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► about it but he like he talks to her he [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► takes care of her they have a rapport [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► and yeah you know it's going in that [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► direction but it's fun because that is [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► not what I expected when I you know when [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► you first see him he's super cool so of [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► course hoodlum yes he runs afoul of the [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► cops he's a troublemaker he pulls down [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► Terry the toads pants right in front of [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► the girl at the drive is yeah but a [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► rogue but he has an affection for the [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► younger ones he's like the older brother [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like why is he even talking to that me [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► so much older than they are he was out [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► of high school long before they were out [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► of high school because he never left [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► high school yeah all right all right all [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► right now his talk about not wanting to [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► go to the sock hop he's he's the one [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► that's the most stunted in terms of this [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► progression but but he is hanging out [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► with them so i think his glory days were [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► in high school and the reason he hangs [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► out with these younger people is because [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► they're still going to regard him as [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► having some patina of success or cool [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► whereas people his own age or look right [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► through them yeah because they recognize [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► that you know they recognize that he's [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► on the fast track to nowhere he's not [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► getting the Moose Lodge well that's why [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► he loves Terry to Terry the toad who [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► because there's that big boosterism at [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► the end where you know he's recognizing [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► you know why he was gonna beat me and [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► I'm getting old Terry's like no no [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► you're still the greatest been number [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► one always your number-one for another [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► year anyway always have a height man [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► yeah although I want to point out with [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► the Paula Matt character is um the guys [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► I knew who were like this used to just [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► put girls into two different categories [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► which were these are the girls I want to [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► have things to do with and these are the [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► girls that I I don't for whatever reason [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► I don't find them attractive they're too [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► young whatever and so while I think it's [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► great that Paula mods character is the [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► protector and so on and so forth it's [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► also broadcasting pretty clearly that [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► he's he's put her in a bucket where [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► she's untouchable or what have you it [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► does again reemphasize the cheese is [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► well years old yes that's a sensible is [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► not even for some people though I mean [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► of that is a good bucket to put the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► twelfth year old yeah but he's not [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► making comments like oh [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► see you way too girl it's not like I [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► don't know if anything ever suffered [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► through the movie beautiful girls um but [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► there's a really creepy plotline in [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► there in which a teenage Natalie Portman [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► is repeatedly flinging herself at [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► timothy hutton and he basically [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► intimates that were not for the fact [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► that there's like a decade to half age [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► difference between them and society [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► friends and that sort of thing he you [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► know oh you know if only you were older [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► we get along like a house on fire or [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► whatever and like that doesn't happen [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► here it's sweet that's the thing I kind [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► of find unexpected about it it does [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► remind me the thing that it may even be [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► a touchdown for them is James Franco in [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► freaks and geeks has his sort of soft [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► spot for the for the load for the geeks [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► for the you know Lindsay's younger [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► brother and his friends he's Carlos [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► right with the dungeons and dragons oh [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► yeah exactly it reminds me of that a [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► little bit where where this is a nice [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► fun story where you got the totally [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► toughest nails cool guy and and and it's [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► revealed he's a decent human being [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► underneath that's his dark secret is [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► that is that he's not gonna leave her on [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► the side of the road and that in fact [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► they had this conversation he treats her [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► he doesn't treat her creepily she [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► doesn't she you know she it's yeah i [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► loved it I thought it was great it's [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► only undercuts slightly by these sort of [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► sexual politics of the time being played [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► for laughs in terms of one of her first [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► things is to be like holding over his [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► head oh there's a cop I'll scream all [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► scream than being raped yeah I had that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► went his way to get her out of the car [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► to be like okay now I have to pretend [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► I'm coming on to you which it still [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► works in the context like look this is [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► this is the only way to show this kid [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► that she's not ready for what she thinks [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► she's ready for and yet the way he I [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► don't know if he was supposed to be as [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► awkward or it's some really bad script [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► writing like I can't imagine that you [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► have to show him trying to come on to [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► her and the lines that he has to say and [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► how he says them it's it's the worst [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► ever anyway like I don't can you really [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► be that much of a nice guy and do that [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► Bluff like I don't that's that's [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► borderline creepy but all of it within [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► the context of the movie fits because [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► like this is the whole mechanic this is [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► you know predator and prey cruising [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► around in your cars and this is the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► mechanic that everyone has accepted they [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► were all participating in this game to [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► no end that any of them can discern [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► and so it can be used as a plot device [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► in this in this story arc but it was [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► those are too awkward them I'm gonna [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► chalk it up to bad script writing mainly [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► because this is a script that also [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► features the exchange I can get tough [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► with you too you know hard guy it's just [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► it's hard to tell what was supposed to [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► be you know yeah want on what was just [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► unintentional yeah it's not some of it [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► might be bad screenwriting and some of [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► it might be I'm writing dialogue the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► teenagers would say so I feel like a [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► teenager could could do a fake come on [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► better than he did that mean it may be [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► the point was his heart wasn't supposed [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► to be in and he couldn't believe he was [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► doing it and he's leaning in on her and [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► she's getting good no didn't like that [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► well maybe he's you know partly hoping [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► that she's not into it but as a whole [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► put the whole idea that he's trying to [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► get her out of the car or tell him tell [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► me where your house is and this is this [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► is what I'm gonna do to make it but I [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► mean he's he keeps a very clear distance [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► away from her for you know for his own [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► reasons and also because you know [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► there's the possibility that maybe she's [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► like oh I'm curious about this I'll give [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► it a go so yeah it does make sense [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► within that context it was certainly [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► that the highlight of the arc i think [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► was them like a shaven creaming the the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► neighboring car and let his hair out of [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► the tires i'm running around that was [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► nicely shot and that was i concurred [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► that was fun although that is one heck [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► of a big can of shaving cream get a lot [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► of mileage out of that do you know it [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► goes a long way because that one's been [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► used already she still has it with her [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► from the previous car shaving cream [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► incident in Eisenhower's America men [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► wanted big fans of shaving cream jam and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► she covers that entire damn car with [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► that one can that's already been used [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► once it's crazy so they will go quickly [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► through the Ron Howard Steve plotline [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► because we've already really hit the [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► highlights in a way kind of the most [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► poignant cuz he is he thinks one thing [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► and no he learns and one another you are [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► you you think you were X but you were [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► actually why yes so the movie begins [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► with him telling Cindy Williams will see [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► other people Cindy Williamson okay after [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► being initially put off by it Ron Howard [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► going look what no usually supposed to [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► react like that you were supposed to [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► collapse weeping and accept it and yes [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► yeah and and move on and they they have [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► a fight they get separated [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► uh he during all this process realizes [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► that maybe he's not so eager to get out [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► of this this one-horse town as much as [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► he thought he would and it all coalesces [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► into the plot where again all four [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► characters sort of come together which [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► will we'll get to in a moment the the [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► scene that I really like in the the Ron [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► Howard story is is at the sock hop when [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► they're doing the the hunt the [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► unfortunately named snowball dance um [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► and actually the best performance there [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► is Cindy Williams because she um you [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► just see her go from just fury to [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► sadness in in about the time it takes [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► Paul am at to to drive down the streets [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► of Petaluma it's just a really a really [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► great scene that conveys a lot of [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► emotion and a lot of depth and and and [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► for that I kind of uh like that bit of [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► the plot line though the Ron Howard [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► character really doesn't press a lot of [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► buttons for me unfortunately no I mean [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► either and I knew kids like him oh sure [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► he's there I mean he's there doing I [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► think what the what this requires which [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► is he's the wide-eyed you know he's call [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► it gonna be the college boy and all of [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► that I don't know I mean that also the [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► this is the end of summer but there's a [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► sock hop so I guess that maybe the high [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► schools already started and so that [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► they've got an event at the at the gym [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► yeah it's like it's like the orientation [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► and it's hard to say not to see that as [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► a kind of a weed a scene with a lot of [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► yet with an American Bandstand kind of [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► dancing and things like that and so it's [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► it's it's in there that's by the way [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► speaking of locations that's the that's [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► the gym at the high school my daughter [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► goes to 0 I thought I saw that Khris was [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► like oh that's reducing so yeah and [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► kathleen quinlan who is in this as [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► credit as Kathy because everybody hadn't [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► got their stage names front right yet [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► she did she's peg in this and she's so [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► she's City Williams friend um oh she's [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► great and and she was she had just [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► graduated from that high school when she [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► was in this movie with the scene set [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► that she's in at the high school gym [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► it's just what a weird experience to [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► graduate from high school and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► and then being a feature film in your [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► gym it's totally crazy she is such a [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► wonderful silver of discord oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► Skyrim scenes are all good in this movie [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► when their kids were talking to each [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► other in the bathrooms even like the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► boys making fun of the the zip makeup [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► and then showing it Cherry Bomb you're [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► right man through the one in there cuz [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► this the thing that happens and the [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► girls saying you know that you forget it [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► this guy's leaving you gotta forget [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► about them what do you have to see him [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► forever like just the snare rank talk [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► among once the de genders are separated [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► in in their bathroom environments all [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► while looking in the mirrors that was [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► all good yep know if you go to the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► bathroom as a girl in high school you [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► you develop like five best friends as [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► you talk over the sink truth sir [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► exchanged insights are plumbed it's it's [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► it's beautiful come to think of it and [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► that's one of the few see well that's [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► actually my biggest complaint about [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► american graffiti is is perhaps that is [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► really and again it's a product of the [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► filmmaker because george lucas has never [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► been known to be particularly and and [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► empathetic towards lots of different [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► points of view but it's a story in which [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the women aren't really people most of [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the time yeah and right but tivity to be [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► fair the men aren't always people still [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► you have but still you have for you have [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► four characters whose stories are [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► treated as important true and in every [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► one of those stories a woman can nudge [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► the action along or she can be the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► reward at the end of the action or what [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► have you but the scene where the women [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► are talking in the bathroom is literally [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► the only time in the movie where like [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► they're acknowledged as human beings [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► that are actually the stars of their own [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► stories and have their own motivations [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► and aspirations separate of how they [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► interact with these these turkeys and [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► chinos yeah and and so that's one of the [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► reasons i like it so much is because it [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► actually treats the women as people and [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► that doesn't happen in a whole lot of [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the other seems i do like that Cindy [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► Williams right because in the script it [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► Ron Howard basically says how we're [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► gonna see other people right and she's [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► like um right I mean I like that I like [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► that she is acting of her own [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► self-interest and her own best interest [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► through this movie because I feel like [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► you know she could have been written [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► another way where she was like oh sure [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► whatever you say Steve I didn't I felt [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► like that scene she was she it seemed [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► like she was had been so conditioned her [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► entire life [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► be agreeable the one presented with [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► something that was disagreeable it's [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► almost like she couldn't physically [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► disagree in the moment but merely had to [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► go all right I guess this is the thing [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► we're doing I must remain agreeable and [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► only later as the movie progresses like [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► wait a second that yes yeah culminating [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► in the scene where they're dancing and [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► she's pissed off of them and the [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► spotlight is on them oh this is like it [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► like it took her like three scenes to [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► figure out like wait wait a second what [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► do you even you know and then she's like [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► really had it by the time she's in the [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► car with Harrison Ford obviously mm-hmm [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► I also feel like again part of the the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► way Steve is written is he's obviously [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► he's obviously been the town's golden [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► boy like you know adults like him and he [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► was probably God's person Senor soup [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► relatives and teachers went easy on him [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► and there was always this presumption [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► that Steve deserved to succeed and when [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► you are the girlfriend of the Golden Boy [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► you are from like you that's one of the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► trade-offs you make as well you know of [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► course why wouldn't you go along with [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► him he's obviously right he's set up and [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► then she realizes it no actually he's a [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► turkey I hate it when Richie and Shirley [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► fight though it isn't sad yeah I don't [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► know how he got his on TV I mean I you [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► know the chronology is backwards but [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► like he does not have a lot of charisma [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► in this movie I feel like of all the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► people in this may I think Richard [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► Dreyfuss has more charisma than run time [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► in this movie well and not to not to [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► delve into happy days um uh huh [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► backstory but really it was kind of [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► conceived that Anson Williams would be [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► as like a co-lead in that series along [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► with Richie Cunningham and then everyone [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► gravitated towards Fonzarelli yeah which [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► it who is I would say when I saw John [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► the first time in this I always like oh [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► he's a he's he's he's the Fonzie right [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► here than Fonzie like I i I'd also heard [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the connection between the show and [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► happy days and I watched happy days you [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► know my whole childhood and this movie [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► could not be farther than happy days in [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► every at like the setting is the same [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► but in terms of tone and Carol shortened [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► and treatment it's like nothing from [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► this movie made it into a b days except [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► for the outfits yeah although Richie is [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► Jimmy's boring as Steve and that's what [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► I was going to say is that Ron Howard's [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► not that interesting and happy days too [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► that's why Swansea became the star but [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► but he works as a straight man for [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► Fonzie to be like it's because it's a [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► stupid comedy thing it's got to be like [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► you know he's he's your boring [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► protagonist who things happen to and [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► gets advised by the Alpha characters it [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► works in a sitcom thing problem with [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► Steve and Kurt both for me is there [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► clearly the two that we're supposed to [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► be relating the most to because health [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► John and Terry are they're both [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► caricature there on the outliers there's [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► getting around that and they're [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► interesting because of that because [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► because he does play a little with the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► expectations on John and Terry's is kind [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► of funny but I think Lucas does a lot of [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► assuming here that we're just going to [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► see the inherent interestingness in [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► Steven Kurt because he does because [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► they're sort of him yes but there's just [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► nothing there so unless you're George [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► Lucas or somebody who grew up exactly [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► like George Lucas or one of these two [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► clowns that were supposed to relate to [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► you just can't well I like so I mean I [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► was going to bring up that because we [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► probably should talk about Richard [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► Dreyfuss is Kurt in his story I think I [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► think what's interesting about that from [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► my perspective is he seems he's he's [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► this kind of wishy-washy guy right the [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► first time we see him he's like I'm [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► probably not going to go i don't know [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► and all that but so so he served meant [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► to be frustrating and infuriating and [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► then he has a wacky like a series of [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► wacky adventures like the wacky [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► adventure plot I saved him from last [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► because the of all the plot lines it's [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► the it felt the most contrived to me [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► where he falls in with the local gang of [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► toughs yeah feroz i gotta say i love [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► parts of the pharaohs and and Kurt plot [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► and I think it actually goes well with [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► with the with the toad plot too because [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► these are the a sequence of unlikely [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► events that keep happening and you it's [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► a long boy I it was a long night you [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► know it's one of those kind of stories [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► where this happened and this happened [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and I kind of like movies like this this [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► is one of the reasons I like after hours [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► with Griffin Dunne it's similarly like a [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► series of ridiculous event someone has [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► to like that movie it is well I I you [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► know back when with Griffin Dunne was a [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► movie star for the 90 minute runtime of [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► that movie and then that was again um I [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► think there is a genre of you know what [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► happens [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► at 4am I'm crazy night man exactly right [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► well that's and that's what happens here [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► and and i think i think the moment that [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► that it turned the corner for me is [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► there's that scene where they're they're [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► gonna go in and rob the restaurant [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► that's got the the the pinball machines [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► yeah yeah this whole place is for fun [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► and and they and and they know him they [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► know Kurt he's the golden boy he's there [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► the guy dr. scholarship yeah yeah fine [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► mousse someday and I think I think [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► that's funny because it's like what's [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► gonna happen now and he and he you know [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► he talks to them while the other guys [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► steal the money from the pinball machine [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► and then they go and and then and then [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► tie the chain to the car of a cop and [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► tear the cop car part in the any [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► big-budget action sequence of the film [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► which is one of them yes and what one of [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► one of the three anyway there are others [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► i like i like the welders there's a car [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► race as a car race at the end there's [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► the slap fight and that's about it we [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► haven't mentioned the the the the most [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► compelling part of the Richard Dreyfuss [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► storyline which is he sees Suzanne [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► Somers yelling and is just and and she [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► mouths I love you Adam and he is smitten [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► and needs to find out who and his night [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► is basically I need to find out who this [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► girl is because the game is cruising for [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► women and the ultimate winning of the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► game is cruising for the special woman [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► who will cure everything the magic [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► blonde well I used compelling there were [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► air quotes I'm sorry those didn't okay [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► good good over the transom but I thought [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► I was gonna have to know life is called [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the movie seemed mostly in on that like [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► that it was saying look look at this guy [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► he's in such dire straits that yes for [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► anything to hang on to and he sees the [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► imaginary woman Chevy Chase ferrari [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► Christie Brinkley style and this like [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► this is his lifeline and we we are [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► laughing at him and realizing this is [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► not going to save him but by the end of [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► the movie he's looking longingly at the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► plane window at a white car and I hope [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► he's realizing that that was not the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► wait but it's almost as if like I know [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► you're still out there pretty brown lady [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► I'm flying wet I don't I don't [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► understand it the movie was [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► the same page as me about the but the [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► futility of tying your hopes to nabbing [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► the just the right prey animal in [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► cruising as a solution to your life's [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► problems I was gonna say I think she's [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► imaginary oh yeah absolutely is Christie [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► Brinkley was real though right and I [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► guess yes yes Griswold works in the land [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► of reality um I think when he's my I [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► think when he's flying away and he sees [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► her driving down the road that's one of [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► those moments where he realizes that ok [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► did the the town that I thought I grew [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► up and in the life that I thought I had [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► there that's not entirely real either [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► and that woman that fantasy of who she [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► has belongs to his fantasy of who he was [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► in that town and and I think that's what [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► that's supposed to symbolize is you know [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► it's it's basically like one it's [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► basically two steps before a bunch of [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► jet goes Jedi watching Darth Darth [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► Vader's helmet burn with the evil ha no [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► no Lisa you you were telling me [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► originally they were gonna do like a [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► thing in the opening where Chris at [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► Suzanne Somers like appears and so on [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► and and transparent so the idea is that [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► you see that she's always a phantom and [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► a hallucination realm dog that would [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► have been terrible than having to rather [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► than having today I I feel like it's [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► obvious from the movie both because [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► everybody has like a myth about her [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► she's a kept woman she's a prostitute [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► yeah I like my different stories about [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► her because it says like a small town [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► like oh I know you're talking about no [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► no she's she's the wife of this old [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► person oh she's a prostitute she's like [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► everyone knows who he's talking about [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► even though it's not yeah well they all [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► have this same fantasy yeah and then [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► there's the phone call that happens [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► where it's just incredibly vague and [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► what's really notable about that phone [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► call is she doesn't say a word about [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► herself she doesn't mention her name she [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► doesn't say anything it's all she's [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► basically a mirror reflecting his desire [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► back at him and I think he finally gets [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► that or he's like okay hey this is this [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► is clearly not going to work because [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► you're just echoing you failed the [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► Turing test some great so you're gonna [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► said since the phone woke him from sleep [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► he never actually woke up oh yes that [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► seems pretty clearly telegraphed at [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► least to me what I do like about his [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► quest and she is I think meant to be an [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► impossible dream and write what I do [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► like about his quest honestly the thing [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► I like about it the most is it leads him [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► to the radio station and go and and the [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► radio station so on the outskirts of [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► town and I've been I've been in that [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► radio station basically like I know [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► that's what it is in the valley like you [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► just go out of stretch of road and [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► there's a transmitter and there's and [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► and wolfman jack is there and wolfman [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► jack this this movie spend a huge [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► percentage of its budget on music like [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► $80,000 of the budget is music there's [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► no score wisely the score is classic [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► hits from the 50s and early 60s it sits [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► right up to 62 where it's set and [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► wolfman jack is the DJ and then he [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► appears at the end of the movie when [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► Richard Dreyfuss goes and talks to him [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► and he makes the request to out to the [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► blonde in the t-bird and what I wanted [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► to say is I love the I love the [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► soundtrack I love the way it's it's done [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► where it's mostly ambient it's just like [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► the music is playing and then [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► everybody's tuned to the same radio and [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► and it is there is nothing more [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► evocative of a hot summer night then [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► everybody driving around with their [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► windows rolled down and the radio coming [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► and especially if everybody's listening [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► to the same radio station and it's just [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► everywhere and then you add that it's [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► the period music to set that tone it's [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► brilliant it's my favorite thing about [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► this movie is and every so often the [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► lyrics match up to what's going on [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► on-screen yes I was about to say quite a [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► lot of the time it does because that [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► there's a lot of really good musical [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► jokes at toad's except the music is [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► mixed kind of like a Scorsese movie [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► though where it's like it's not afraid [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► to put the music out front sort of in [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► the mix where the music is actually more [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► dominant than the dialogue where it just [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► overwhelmed because that is that it is [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► the point of the scene it's like [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► basically a music video and also there [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► are some lines of dialogue and disperse [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► with it so again getting what you're [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► saying Jason were like the music [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► permeates and pervades everything to the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► point where the conversation you're [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► having with the car realistically is [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► very often difficult to hear over the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► sound of the music and all the other [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► things that are going on and I [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► definitely got that feel I mean I don't [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► know when one was mean streets was mean [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► streets before this this was a 73 at the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► same time actually yeah but anyway [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► square sees would do it even more later [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► of like I literally putting the [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► loud you know pop music soundtrack out [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► in front of everything else including a [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► dialogue which definitely changes the [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► feel of the movie and I mean and and it [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► gives gives a feel for place in time in [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► a way that even just like the outfits in [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the cars doesn't that's right i had to [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► look up the beach boys track because i [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► like surely that wasn't in 1962 and I [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► was like yeah it absolutely was it was [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► the song of the summer that year George [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► Lucas knew I mean they this was a this [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► was and this was the trade-off right [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► we're not going to have a score but wit [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► but that the radio hits are going to be [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► the score and it works so well it is so [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► good yeah I'm ambivalent about most of [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► the the Richard Dreyfuss storyline but I [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► do love that scene with Wolfman Jack [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► because that that is the it's all a [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► facade kid yeah it's all have a popsicle [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► chemical not know what wolfman jack [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► looked like back then cuz I know what he [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► looks like when I was a kid you saw the [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► Hollywood Squares he had the Saturday [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► morning cartoon yeah after American [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► Graffiti he became you know he was big [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► but you know in this scenario where he [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► has two Scooby squad saw did you guys [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► follow DJ's was that only something cuz [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► my girlfriends and I used to have [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► favorite djs because you know again when [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► you're a teenager music is the the pulse [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► of every social interaction and my [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► girlfriends and I could name all of the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► different djs in all the different [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► stations and you know we didn't know [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► what they look like though we just knew [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► them by their voices we could even [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► rattle off whatever details they had or [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► whatever quirks and this was still back [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► when you could call the DJ and you have [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► a reasonable expectation of having to [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► pick up the phone and talk to you yeah [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► and so I think for these teenagers they [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► probably had this idea that Wolfman Jack [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► was one thing and then Kurt sees that [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► he's actually just died in a Hawaiian [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► shirt the guy an obstacle sure has to [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► talk to teenagers all night while eating [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► melting popsicles and he realizes that [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► oh my god oh my god this is my life has [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► been built on a lie my life isn't built [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► on a lie I'm gonna get on that plane god [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► damn it oh yeah because I tell you the [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► first time I saw a DJ and personal like [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► this guy sounds so much cooler when I [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► don't know what he looks like yeah yeah [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► the wolfman was a bit of an institution [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► it interestingly he does mention at one [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► point he calls out the address of a [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► little stall on [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► Street in Chula Vista California which [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► is where he actually broadcast from not [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► somewhere outside of Modesto yes I [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► thought it was interesting that they [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► left that in my understanding is [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► actually that the that a lot of his [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► interactions and including all the phone [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► calls were from the off air tapes of [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► Wolfman Jack shows those were real not [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► although there's apparently one where he [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► where George Lucas and Joe well of [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► course not is the guy in the pizza place [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► ooh I don't know what you're talking [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► about yeah so whatever happened to [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► George Lucas yeah I don't know they went [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► on to make little art films there's a [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► fair amount of the of the later Lucas [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► floating around in this primordial stew [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► here like there's a there's a line very [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► early on where John is talking to Steve [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► and and Lori about going to the hop and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► he says you two just got out your ass [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► out of there even then Lucas couldn't be [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► bothered with the second take it's not [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► obviously a shank line could very easily [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► have been redone it's like now that [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► seems pretty good let's go with that yep [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► i will say in Lucas's defense again as [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► it was with Terry crashing his his [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► scooter that a lot of it was if this is [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► going to look like an authentic teen [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► movie let's have them be stumbly and and [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► bad with the dialogue and and and and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► choke on their lines so that it it [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► sounds like actual 17 and 18 year olds [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► talking his one good idea in this movie [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► that he shot a chronological wasn't oh [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► yeah his claim to fame directorial ii [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► speaking he had one good idea once in [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► his life and was used to good effect so [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► it might be end of the movie everybody [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► looked tired because they were tired we [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► should talk about the the ending of the [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► movie just because we've we've kind of [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► danced around it and also we've been had [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► a like an hour time to move on after we [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► talked about the ending where they all [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► come back together is all night long a [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► young racer has been looking for the [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► Paula Matt character it's played by [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► Harrison Ford who refused to cut his [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► hair for the movie which is why he wears [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► that ridiculous cowboy yeah I like that [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► cowboy hat the reason i like is it shows [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► this is a guy who's hanging on to what [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► his conception of cool was back when he [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► was a teenager so he's Bob falfa [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► it's also telling that an almost named [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► every every scene he appears and he has [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► a different girl in the car because he's [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► just unpleasant to be her Oh Bob's alpha [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► mm-hmm and so he and John Milner finally [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► have their big race in Road in petaluma [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► that I've drove driven down many times [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► and uh Cindy Williams is sitting in the [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► car with Bob falfa because she's trying [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► to get back at at poor Ronnie Howard [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► toad gets to start the race which is you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► know the highlight of toads life up [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► until the point that he got to hang out [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► with candy clark for the evening there's [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► a race Bob thatha's clearly beating John [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► Milner and then Bob falfa spins out has [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► a crash that's when if Steve hadn't [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► decided that he was staying in modesto [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► that's when he realizes that he is and [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► Paula Matt realizes oh god I'm not a kid [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► anymore I'm I'm mortal and no way John [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► you're the best ever over the okay toad [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► will take them all eventually agrees [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► it's like you know what you're right i [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► will be the best forever the very next [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► scene is just Richard Dreyfuss getting [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► on that plane flying off to his big [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► fancy college back east Ronnie Howard [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► seen behind saying hey I'll be there in [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► a year no you won't know and you you [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► failed the small town test but here this [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► small town test you have an F yeah I [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► feel like when they do the little [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► capsule descriptions at the end and it [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► turns out that toad is dead and uh John [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► is dead that as far as Lucas is [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► concerned steve is also as good as dead [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► because he stayed in modesto ain't got [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► the granite us so he's also dead so [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► everyone's dead he's a writer he's ok [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► he's a writer yeah yeah he's a writer [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► the ultimate the ultimate life victory [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► you know he made I'm wondering if the [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► whole point to him being in Canada's [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► he's a draft dodger that's what my yeah [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► exactly that's not your instil because [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► I'm like oh cannon on my dad like know [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► that he dodged the draft like oh yeah [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► thank you know I'm better and I had not [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► considered that yeah he could have saved [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► his friend toad but nope he was writing [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► yes last time I saw this movie was many [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► years ago [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► when I'm watching it again like I [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► remembered most of the movie in broad [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► strokes but when they're doing the car [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► race scene for a moment I said I'll wait [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► a second is this where Cindy William [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► dies like I meant the whole thing of [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► like oh you got to be careful she does [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► she doesn't want to be in the car you [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► got to get out of the car you know like [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► I knew the car was gonna crash because I [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► remember that I know he's gonna win the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► race because of a congress like did they [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► kill her is that is at the end like if [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► this movie was a little bit deeper into [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► the 70s and was directed by someone [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► other than George Lucas she would have [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► died in that thing like that would have [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► been really close if it would have been [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► Martin Scorsese she would have been [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► wearing a red dress like it's time her [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► you know that their relationship they [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► couldn't get it together and like you [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► want to seize other people and they're [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► just going in different directions and [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► she just was goes into a car with a [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► stranger and it's a bad choice and she [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► wants out but then she wants to get back [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► at him and she's in the car just you [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► know you get what are you doing in that [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► car sir john tells her to get out the [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► car she says just be quiet and then she [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► dies in a car wreck i met honestly that [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► wreck with like no seat belts in that [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► high of a car they're not walking away [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► from that instead she gets up and she's [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► so spunky she's hitting Ron Howard two [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► seconds later so yeah I mean I'm glad [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► she didn't but it would have been even [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► more 70s movie and a very different [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► movie if she had died in that car [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► because that really would have taught [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► Steve you know like you've made some bad [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► choices yeah this is pretty early 70s [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► things didn't really get gritty and [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► nasty for a few more years yeah this was [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► one of the first movies to do that [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► epilogue were at post and here's what [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► happened to all those characters we [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► haven't with two hours which animal [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► house kind of took the piss out of five [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► years late I love I love both as that [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► belongs so much without senator [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► blutarsky and wife and that's when you [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► have to end the epilogue at the end of [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► year the movie Vietnam is hanging over [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► this movie so you kind of almost have to [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► say because because this is the question [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► you're watching a movie set 10 years in [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► the past these are a bunch of high [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► school kids Vietnam is happening what [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► you know what's going to happen and so [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► you kind of have to say yeah he went off [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► and died in Vietnam and and and so I [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► feel like it almost requires that you [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► address that and so there it is you know [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► he didn't make it back and you know this [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► guy stayed in town sells insurance or [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► whatever and then this guy went to [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► Canada and as a writer and [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► III yeah yeah I wanted to say before we [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► move on that I did watch this movie [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► thinking what would George Lucas have [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► been as a filmmaker if he hadn't made [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► Star Wars or if he had or if Star Wars [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► had not succeeded because I feel like he [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► might have had a very interesting and [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► very different career trajectory based [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► on this film because I think this is a [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► really well made film it's got some [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► issues but I think it's really well-made [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► and evocative and given the budget and [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► then you know and then he made Star Wars [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► which is a huge hit and is a great movie [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► but I do i do wonder cuz and that's the [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► shame of it is that you know that guy [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► never made another movie right after [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► Star Wars he never he never got the [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► chance to make another movie because by [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► the time he was directing movies again [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► it wasn't the same guy it wasn't the guy [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► who made our American Graffiti it was [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► the builder of an empire and it's a [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► little bit it's a little bit of a shame [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► i think because i would have been [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► interested to see him take a more 70s [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► cinema path instead of you know what [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► ended up happening which was that he [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► became star wars incorporated i would [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► have liked to have seen the modesto [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► trilogy yeah of your of your 70s [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► directors your Martin Scorsese's your [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► Francis Ford Coppola 'he's you can even [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► include brian de palma in that group and [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► Spielberg George Lucas's career path [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► kind of became the least interesting [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► right of those in that like you say it [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► became George Lucas industry as words we [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► got to move some Kenner action figures [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► guys oh and he obviously made a decision [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► to lean into the business side to not [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► even direct the second and third films [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► to do all of that he could have [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► potentially made a different decision [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► love with the visual effects too because [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► it seems like a lot of his death was [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► driven by it doesn't look like the [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► pictures in my head and it became less [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► about what is the story I'm telling him [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► more about how is the story being [TS]