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0:00:02the incomparable number 348 April 2017

0:00:09welcome back everybody to the

0:00:12incomparable i am your host Jason Snell

0:00:14we are convening another edition of old

0:00:17movie club Oh movie club these movies

0:00:22are so old they're from kids sit down

0:00:24they're from the 1970s Wow is that

0:00:27before light bulbs yes old time they had

0:00:30to settle are a very large fire had to

0:00:32be set in order to project the film well

0:00:35I was it was a long long time ago in

0:00:38this edition we're going to be talking

0:00:40about two coming of age movies from the

0:00:4470s one set in the 70s and one set in

0:00:46the sixth early 60s feels like the 50s

0:00:50but it's the early 60s although by the

0:00:52time it's over it feels like the 80s hmm

0:00:54interesting we'll get there joining us

0:00:56to talk about this first off the person

0:00:58who selected the films as he usually

0:01:01does an old movie club mr. Philip

0:01:02Michaels I Phil you know I i would like

0:01:05to point out the the the most recent of

0:01:08these movies Breaking Away is thirty

0:01:10eight damn years old and if when I was

0:01:13eighteen watching a 38 year old movie it

0:01:15would have been made in 1950 so you know

0:01:18where we're all old old time marches on

0:01:22oh I know yeah the seven the 70 is a

0:01:24decade and in which I believe all of us

0:01:27were born far away now yes yes in short

0:01:33i'm closer to death and birth good night

0:01:36everyone hey this has been old movie

0:01:40also joining us on the on the old movie

0:01:43highway Lisa Schmeisser hello hi there

0:01:46I'm pondering my mortality no wishing I

0:01:48work well you know whose fault that is

0:01:50it's Steve Lutz it's always my fault

0:01:52yeah i was gonna blame Phil actually but

0:01:54I'm happy let's blame Steve just because

0:01:56there would you like to roll some balls

0:01:59and also yeah on this old movie club I

0:02:03believe perhaps his first time in our

0:02:05old movie club its John siracusa despite

0:02:07the math the math in quotes that I just

0:02:10heard I would like to file a formal

0:02:11protest against this being an old movie

0:02:13club these movies can't pasa

0:02:16we be all I another counter fresh and

0:02:18modern and I watched him a million times

0:02:19when I was a kid and I'm practically

0:02:21still a kid so someone's doing something

0:02:23wrong you're a child at heart you're the

0:02:25guy that's iffy for Team old membership

0:02:27as I recall yeah you keep trying to get

0:02:30in and we keep rejecting you because

0:02:31you're not quite old enough all right

0:02:33Phil I guess we should start

0:02:35chronologically right so 1973 American

0:02:38Graffiti American Graffiti clearly

0:02:41George Lucas's best work oh oh no I i

0:02:46well we can talk about that later but it

0:02:49is it should talk about that now we're

0:02:50talking about America okay sure yeah I I

0:02:54will show my s certainly George Lucas's

0:02:56most personal work because it is it is

0:02:59basically him doing a movie about uh hit

0:03:03his teenage years in modesto yeah about

0:03:07him if if the wiki stories are to be

0:03:10believed well basically every one of

0:03:12these characters is supposedly him at

0:03:14some stages young life although I find

0:03:16that highly obstacle sydenham to know I

0:03:18actually think that's a fairly accurate

0:03:20thing and that that I think helps

0:03:23explain why the ron howard and and

0:03:25richard dreyfuss characters are vaguely

0:03:26distinguishable but it basically it is

0:03:31the the last night before the

0:03:33aforementioned Richard Dreyfuss and

0:03:35Andrade Howard are going to go off to

0:03:37college and they are going to spend it

0:03:41the way apparently you spent nights in

0:03:43the early 1960s in modesto screws enfora

0:03:47yeah you you cruise around town it's

0:03:49actually san rafael that they're driving

0:03:51around san rafael in petaluma both towns

0:03:53that I recognized them we could pick out

0:03:56the different locations and those since

0:03:58I live not far away from both of those

0:04:00locations it's you could you could see

0:04:02it but I grew up not too far from

0:04:04Modesto and when I when I was a kid they

0:04:07was cruising was still a thing he has

0:04:09nothing else to do just drive your car

0:04:10around that's a lot cruising in my town

0:04:13of course they did it was Sandra that's

0:04:15what may be dated cooler that's what

0:04:18made a cooler than it was outlawed and

0:04:20you would do it anyway now Jason as a

0:04:23comment that's made early on by by the

0:04:26John character the the holomap yes the

0:04:29fellow who

0:04:30never grown up and is stuck as the as

0:04:33the number one racer and he's kind of

0:04:35locked into this this state of being for

0:04:38the remainder of his short life as it

0:04:40turns out but his comment early on is

0:04:43that things are already starting to fade

0:04:45in terms of the cruising scene and I'm

0:04:47curious when you came up was the

0:04:49cruising scene just limping along was

0:04:51there like one car driving back and

0:04:53forth in front of the dairy queen during

0:04:54Jason's rookie season on the cruising

0:04:56I'm occurs in circuit no in fact I have

0:04:58to say um by the time I was a teenager

0:05:01cruising was not a thing but when my

0:05:03brother who was born in 1964 when he was

0:05:05a teenager so let's say the very early

0:05:0780s it was still hanging on but by the

0:05:10mid to late 80s it was gone hmm that's

0:05:13my cruising knowledge for you there Oh

0:05:14in Tidewater Virginia where I I first

0:05:16became a teenager cruising was actually

0:05:18still a thing in the 80s but to be fair

0:05:20the joke about Newport News and I was

0:05:23growing up was set your clock back 60

0:05:24years perhaps it was just breaking onto

0:05:26the city but yeah it was it was what I

0:05:30liked about this movie in part was how

0:05:32effortlessly it captures this year

0:05:34pointlessness of your teenagers Friday

0:05:35night especially especially if it does

0:05:37revolve around cruisin like I kept I

0:05:39kept looking over at fill-ins saying I

0:05:41can't relate directly to these

0:05:42experiences but it is hitting all sorts

0:05:44of emotional chords I thought I had

0:05:46successfully repressed if 1980s George

0:05:50child of the 1980s George Lucas is

0:05:52making this movie it's it's hanging out

0:05:54in the mall probably it's going to the

0:05:56the hot dog on a stick and there's a

0:05:58love Zeppelin soundtrack behind it

0:05:59because you know get the net out with

0:06:01something that happened on every rock

0:06:03radio station at nine o'clock at night

0:06:05where you'd be sitting here listening to

0:06:07music that was already much older than

0:06:09you were and wondering why where's our

0:06:11music and yeah so to continue

0:06:13introducing the characters we've we've

0:06:15met John Paula Matt who's the s who's

0:06:18the fastest driver in the valley and

0:06:21drag races and a bit of a cautionary

0:06:23tale to because as steve says to kurt

0:06:25early on you want to end up like John

0:06:27yeah stuck in the town forever and then

0:06:31of course a toad who is I guess it still

0:06:35a high school student and and still

0:06:37hanging out with these guys and and

0:06:39really something of a

0:06:41a nerd linger something of a point

0:06:44Dexter it's charles martin smith

0:06:46accredited as charlie martin smith to

0:06:48make him cool you stole teenager you

0:06:51know on howard were both the only

0:06:52teenagers on set and his mom probably

0:06:54still called him charlie so you know

0:06:56that's right he does know how to rock a

0:06:58pink sailor suit though so that's some

0:07:00this is the way to think of charles

0:07:02martin smith in this in this is i wrote

0:07:04down he's playing the rick moranis part

0:07:06it's yeah pretty much yes ten years

0:07:08earlier the first time i saw rick

0:07:09moranis i was horribly confused for my

0:07:12money he gets the best lines in the

0:07:13picture as well we're introduced to him

0:07:15actually um he rides in on his scooter

0:07:18and crashes in mediating machine yeah

0:07:22and and that that was not in the script

0:07:24that was charles martin smith

0:07:25legitimately crashing into into things

0:07:28and they decided i'll leave it in

0:07:30Charlie okay all right we'll take it and

0:07:32as fortuitous that they did because that

0:07:34sets the tone for him peering like if he

0:07:36hit if he had successfully landed that

0:07:37Vespa it would be harder to sell him as

0:07:40the bumbling hapless nerd that he is the

0:07:42whole way through I mean this is a guy

0:07:43who loses everything all night long he

0:07:47finds whole new ways to lose right we

0:07:49follow the adventures of the this group

0:07:51of four friends as they circle the same

0:07:54real estate in modesto from from dusk

0:07:59till dawn so we've got John and we've

0:08:01got charlie martin smith as Terry the

0:08:04toad and and we we haven't we haven't

0:08:07that we have two other fellow I heard

0:08:08yes Kurt who is Richard Dreyfuss yeah uh

0:08:12who who has a bit of the cold feet about

0:08:14going off to college and we have Ronnie

0:08:17Howard as Steve who just just wants to

0:08:21get out of town who apparently cannot

0:08:23wait to get out yeah and is so and is so

0:08:25eager to get out of town he he tells his

0:08:29girlfriend who is Curt's sister played

0:08:33by Cindy Williams who you'll recognize

0:08:35as Shirley of TVs Laverne and Shirley

0:08:37Telles are basically fair we're gonna

0:08:40see other people but we're still going

0:08:42steady okay and an arrangement that she

0:08:45is not entirely sold off I think this

0:08:48might be a relevant point to point out

0:08:50that this is a film that launched to ABC

0:08:53sitcoms right

0:08:54because it's hard not to look at the

0:08:56success of this movie and say this is

0:08:57why happy days featuring Ron Howard was

0:09:00created and Laverne and Shirley

0:09:02featuring Cindy Williams they're both

0:09:03guess said in the 50s aww it comes on

0:09:06ABC I know that the Happy Days pilot was

0:09:08actually shot before American Graffiti

0:09:10but with the success of this film

0:09:11basically ABC said 50s nostalgia is the

0:09:16bee's knees baby and these shows were

0:09:19created with these to activate happy

0:09:21days was American Graffiti and love

0:09:23American style uh having a beautiful

0:09:25baby together and calling it Fonzarelli

0:09:28so that was um yeah and then the

0:09:34audience cheers is the baby crowns and

0:09:36is horrifying no the baby was delivered

0:09:39right over a shark though strange how

0:09:41that happen shot across the room and ran

0:09:44into a jukebox that had been broken yes

0:09:46yeah suddenly started playing a little

0:09:48Bailey Bill Haley in the Comets put a

0:09:50glove on the little bottle and waved

0:09:52goodbye as it goes down the conveyor

0:09:53belt we lameos schlemazel so now we

0:09:57enter a critical point in the recapping

0:10:00of American Graffiti in that the movie

0:10:02jumps around from from scene to scene as

0:10:05these four friends spent absolutely no

0:10:08time together on their final night

0:10:10together yes without spoiling a lot one

0:10:12of the things that you brought up and I

0:10:14apologize we're now skipping through

0:10:15this podcast like yeah we totally skip

0:10:17the movie just like American Graffiti

0:10:19we're skipping around to the better yeah

0:10:21but one of the one of the things that

0:10:22Phil brought up when you're watching

0:10:23Breaking Away as he said I cannot for

0:10:26the life of me figure out why these guys

0:10:27all remained friends and i replied well

0:10:31it was it was it's it's a friendship of

0:10:33geographical convenience because these

0:10:36guys have probably all known each other

0:10:37since they were kindergartners right and

0:10:39they're their parents are probably

0:10:41intertwined in some ways there's always

0:10:43been pressure to hang out you know

0:10:44suddenly go we're having a BBQ blitz on

0:10:46so the hill you'll see Stevie or what

0:10:48have you and you know aside from the

0:10:51circumstances that they shared there's

0:10:53not a whole lot to bond them and so when

0:10:55I was watching American Graffiti right

0:10:57feel it did make sense that they were

0:10:58just kind of splintering off and doing

0:10:59their own thing because as far as they

0:11:03were concerned two of their number were

0:11:04already headed out of the valley and

0:11:05therefore they were automatically taking

0:11:07them cell

0:11:08off that we have something in common

0:11:09list by virtue of leaving they were

0:11:11declaring themselves outsiders the whole

0:11:13tone of this movie I mean this is the

0:11:15end of the summer this is the last

0:11:18hurrah the friends are going off to

0:11:20school you it is about like a last you

0:11:23know everything is ending so them them

0:11:25splitting apart and going their own

0:11:26separate ways on the night is you know

0:11:28that's what they're going to do anyway

0:11:30we've been having fun all summer long

0:11:31and now it's over I find it really

0:11:33interesting that Steve for all of his

0:11:35valedictory ax Brava Brava about getting

0:11:38out of there spends the most time

0:11:39retracing his high school steps over and

0:11:42over again like between the sock hop and

0:11:44his inadvertent discovery that when you

0:11:48tell a girl you're gonna see other

0:11:49people she's gonna she's going to take

0:11:50that information and run with it um you

0:11:54know he talked a big game about getting

0:11:56out but I kind of feel like his end like

0:11:58the ending of his movie was was pretty

0:11:59much pretty well to help Telegraph by

0:12:01the end of Act one so so let me leap in

0:12:03there and here's how we will tell the

0:12:06tale I will I'll sort of summarize the

0:12:09stories of the four characters in the

0:12:12order that I find them interesting I

0:12:15like two quick issues that I have before

0:12:17we go good yeah go ahead Steve first of

0:12:19all and this is just a personal problem

0:12:21I suspect but as with every film i have

0:12:24ever seen with richard dreyfuss in it

0:12:26something about him just makes me want

0:12:28to punch him i'm not sure what it is in

0:12:30this movie he's particularly bad because

0:12:32he's being wishy-washy and i like it

0:12:33does is it i don't know if i'm gonna go

0:12:36to college and i just don't give a rat's

0:12:38ass if he goes or not but there's just

0:12:40something about the way he carries

0:12:41himself that just it's it's hard for me

0:12:43to enjoy anything that he's in and this

0:12:45one is particularly bad the second the

0:12:47second is that one of the main bhi plots

0:12:49of this thing that the Terry the toad B

0:12:51plot is contingent on Steve deciding

0:12:55he's going to let toad have his car

0:12:57while he's away yeah watch it he's not

0:13:00giving it to him who does that oh yeah

0:13:03we opened his his his first act as a car

0:13:06washer is to take off in it and rifle

0:13:08way and Steve seems okay with it he's

0:13:10got his mind on other things yeah i

0:13:12think it's it's steve fancies himself is

0:13:16this benevolent and now little man i

0:13:18give this watch to you

0:13:20curious I'm on to bigger and better

0:13:21pastures I kept this car this cold hard

0:13:25lump of Detroit steel I am the king of

0:13:28Modesto high or wherever and now i'm

0:13:31going to hand it on to you and this will

0:13:33make you as cool as I was it's Riley

0:13:36Allard I think that I I think that part

0:13:39of it was i'm giving you the car because

0:13:40i've grown too big for this town I've

0:13:43grown too big for this relationship I've

0:13:44grown too big for the scene totally damn

0:13:47I don't know beggars belief to me that

0:13:49anybody would will his car to the nerdy

0:13:51friend it's more like you can you can

0:13:53you know just check on it but it's going

0:13:55to be up on blocks and with a tarp on it

0:13:58and don't touch it just just make sure

0:14:00it's still there but in cities like now

0:14:02drive it around to do whatever and have

0:14:04fun Terry the toad proceeds to do so I

0:14:07have a casual relationship with

0:14:08insurances all right yeah it's I feel

0:14:12like the whole reason that Steve is

0:14:13different from kurt i think is that

0:14:15steve has this fantasy in his head of

0:14:18how it's going to work out like he's

0:14:20going to leave in a a love teary

0:14:24goodbyes they'll town will recognize

0:14:26that their lesser without him and and

0:14:28he's off like he's got this whole

0:14:29fantasy in his head about everything

0:14:31will freeze in amber the minute he

0:14:33leaves because he can't conceive of life

0:14:35in that town going on without it like

0:14:36that's just the way he's wired whereas

0:14:38Kurt is terrified that if he leaves and

0:14:41things change without him it proves that

0:14:42he didn't matter at all and you know I

0:14:45think I think that's I think the

0:14:46fundamental differences is that Steve

0:14:48never really planned to leave Steve

0:14:50always just wanted to show the town he

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0:16:23incomparable i'm also going to throw in

0:16:25a defense of richard dreyfuss here who

0:16:28i'm not good luck with it I know I know

0:16:31I'm not going to convince you I I don't

0:16:33have the same the Richard Dreyfuss that

0:16:36let's face it lots of Americans have um

0:16:391970s Richard Dreyfuss was really really

0:16:43went on a bit of a winning streak and

0:16:45this was sort of the the beginning of

0:16:47that because in a four year period he

0:16:48did this he did the apprenticeship of

0:16:51duddy kravitz he did jaws he did close

0:16:54encounters of the third kind and then he

0:16:56he capped that off with the goodbye girl

0:16:58for which he won an Oscar so that's

0:17:00that's that's a nice little run of

0:17:01movies there where Richard Dreyfuss

0:17:04could do no wrong even if some people

0:17:07might have wanted to punch him even in

0:17:11Jaws which I dearly love is a film that

0:17:13there's something about him that just

0:17:14makes me want to slug him just haul off

0:17:16and pop him one that's like such a great

0:17:18part of the character in Jaws though the

0:17:20idea that yeah that's definitely

0:17:21punchable outside because he is so

0:17:24condescending to ya you're gonna shine

0:17:26yes was no boating accident yes yeah it

0:17:30works in Jaws here here it kind of takes

0:17:32away from my enjoyment but that's my

0:17:34care hmm alright but um okay so the four

0:17:38plots the aforementioned toad getting

0:17:40the car and going up yeah the Ulysses

0:17:44like journey of self-discovery

0:17:47he tries to pick up a girl now that he

0:17:50has a car at his disposal and actually

0:17:52succeeds because he manages to meet

0:17:55Debbie who is played by a bouffant 'add

0:17:57candy clark uh in one of my favorite

0:18:01performances in the movie um bit of an

0:18:04odd duck yeah she I just love the

0:18:08perfect perfect foil or kind of Mentor

0:18:11figure really for toad though yeah right

0:18:14she gives toad and education well the

0:18:17fact that she is so weird makes it okay

0:18:19that toad is clearly punching above his

0:18:21weight class when he manages to get her

0:18:23in the car it's not hard to do for dough

0:18:25yeah but you you looking go okay she's

0:18:28she's baddie so obviously you wouldn't

0:18:31she would get in the car with with it

0:18:34with toad and they they go on an

0:18:35adventure that includes toad trying to

0:18:37buy liquor largely unsuccessfully until

0:18:40he's helped out by a helpful um

0:18:42convenience store robber yes uh toad

0:18:46drinking too much liquor toad getting

0:18:48the car stolen from him toad discovering

0:18:51the car towed getting beat up by the

0:18:52people who have stolen the car until

0:18:54he's saved by a Palo mad yeah his

0:18:58fortuitous arrival who in honor since

0:19:01John syracuse's on the podcast the deus

0:19:03ex machina no that's rated where he

0:19:06swoops in and saves um uh saves a toad

0:19:11so amazingly car graphite boy yes watch

0:19:15out John Woo I like the fight because it

0:19:19shows exactly how dumb and pointless and

0:19:20confusing these things tend to be well I

0:19:22would have but that's fine but I don't

0:19:24think they could have done better making

0:19:26it look like maybe one or two as punches

0:19:27landed mmm they would kind of look like

0:19:29they were like like a wrestling worthy

0:19:31you know siblings wrestling in their

0:19:33pajamas look more real than that funny

0:19:35but I think I think that is a byproduct

0:19:37of we we have X amount of dollars to to

0:19:41make this movie and we're not doing

0:19:43reshoots so they didn't have the thought

0:19:45technology of quick cuts so it's like

0:19:47well you know this is how long you hold

0:19:48shots and if you people are fumbling

0:19:50against each other is there's no way to

0:19:52fix that it's not like we can make a cut

0:19:53every two seconds or every one second

0:19:55they didn't know you know John Lucas's

0:19:57original script had them fighting from

0:19:59separate couches

0:20:00so I really enjoy the toad storyline I

0:20:04just it is um both very funny very

0:20:09heartwarming very cringe-inducing and um

0:20:11I I think he is one of the more

0:20:14identifiable characters in the movie

0:20:16because who among us doesn't feel like

0:20:20toad where we're trying to to blend in

0:20:24and and look cool and we know deep down

0:20:27in our hearts we can sit in that

0:20:29beautiful car and and no one's going to

0:20:31to be fooled well yep what is his arc

0:20:35though like he ends but we're gonna skip

0:20:37to the end of the night but at the end

0:20:39of the night he ends like he's

0:20:41dishevelled his glasses are broken he's

0:20:43gotten beaten up he's sitting on the

0:20:44curb talking to Debbie and and she's

0:20:47like well you know maybe you can call me

0:20:49like we had actually had a good time she

0:20:52describes her you know we had a good

0:20:54time because here's what we did maybe

0:20:56that was fun for her to watch all those

0:20:58things happen to him like a sort of an

0:21:00observer but toes gotta be saying that's

0:21:03your idea of a good time like why would

0:21:05I sign up for that again why am I ever

0:21:06gonna give you a call is like the idea I

0:21:08feel like you just described his arc as

0:21:09he's had that moment of realization

0:21:11trees like this is bull and you know

0:21:14he's gonna take that observation it's

0:21:16going to make him feel better about

0:21:17being left out of the social flow for

0:21:20the next 12 months but is he gonna call

0:21:22her but she's like maybe you can call me

0:21:23sometime you seem like you never get it

0:21:25well yeah my sense is his arc is all

0:21:27that happened but I've got a girl now I

0:21:29don't know that's a good match that's

0:21:33one of my meta problems with this whole

0:21:35movie is that kind of the the lesson

0:21:37there are various lessons of the but

0:21:39like the ideal that everyone is

0:21:42character seems to be shooting for is an

0:21:43ideal that doesn't really sound that

0:21:46appealing it seems like you need a

0:21:47follow-up movie for them to all learn

0:21:49that the ideal that they were all

0:21:50shooting course it was also a lie but

0:21:52that's not this movie well there's more

0:21:53American Graffiti come out either no it

0:21:57really isn't but John what you just

0:21:58articulated the idea that this ideal

0:22:00that you're shooting for is really it

0:22:02falls short of what you could do or it

0:22:05doesn't quite meet up with the hype I

0:22:07feel like that's also one of the points

0:22:09which is that these guys have invested

0:22:11so much emotional capital

0:22:14into this this whole scene and who they

0:22:16are and how they interact with people

0:22:17and is it really worth it and some of

0:22:20them are like oh no it's not whereas

0:22:22some yeah and I think that's one of

0:22:25those pivotal things you learn in

0:22:26adolescence to is is you have your own

0:22:28moment where you look around and you

0:22:30realize I have been prioritizing

0:22:34something completely wrong and wow the

0:22:36scales have fallen from my eyes you know

0:22:38I again I one of the reasons I had like

0:22:40a full body cringe in this entire movie

0:22:42is because he kept nailing all of the

0:22:45notes that go into being like 16 17 18

0:22:48years old and beginning to try to

0:22:52imagine or articulate the life that

0:22:55you're going to have passed high school

0:22:56and passed these people that you've been

0:22:58thrown with wholly by accident or

0:23:00circumstance for the entirety of your

0:23:02life yeah I do get that I get like

0:23:04pervasive sadness over this whole movie

0:23:07of like of a thing coming to an end like

0:23:10it yeah this movie knows that everything

0:23:12you see here has to come to an end it's

0:23:13that I think I'm staking taking it a

0:23:14step further insight not only is

0:23:16everything this movie have to come to an

0:23:17end but the even if it didn't or even

0:23:19when it was happening was also very

0:23:21horrible and I mean well get to the

0:23:23ending ending where they have the gut

0:23:24punch of the faces over the sky as the

0:23:26the final ending of the movie i guess

0:23:28that's their way of fast forwarding is

0:23:29sake and by the way these kids still

0:23:31don't know what the hell's and starve

0:23:32them take a look at this yeah yeah I

0:23:33love that up along it's crap sandwich

0:23:35all around yeah enjoy hope you like the

0:23:38movie welcome to the 70s I think the

0:23:40reason Phil demanded that I be in this

0:23:42podcast is um we watched an epilogue and

0:23:45I turned to him and I said you know the

0:23:46first time I watched this movie I

0:23:47watched with my parents when I was like

0:23:4912 or 13 years old and we got to the

0:23:52epilogue and I remember like I remember

0:23:55feeling so shocked and so betrayed by

0:23:58the fact that two of these characters

0:23:59like then died off screen oh and one of

0:24:03them never goes back to the hometown in

0:24:05the one of them stays and I was upset

0:24:07that they killed the characters and then

0:24:09what upset me further was realizing that

0:24:11again I was like these guys didn't

0:24:13matter to each other they had lives that

0:24:15I said they just didn't matter they had

0:24:17lives that moved on my parents yeah this

0:24:18is what happens after high school is the

0:24:20people that you spend all this time with

0:24:21it doesn't matter what they do because

0:24:23their lives are not your lives and you

0:24:25have to you have to learn how to you

0:24:27have to learn how to

0:24:27move past that and so I think when I saw

0:24:30American Graffiti in a really pivotal

0:24:32age where it's like yeah you don't know

0:24:33what's going to happen and you don't

0:24:35know and and no one's life is going to

0:24:36affect you like your own life choices to

0:24:38you that was that was crystallized for

0:24:40me watching that movie in that epilogue

0:24:42they also tell you don't get into cars

0:24:43with strange men the other big lesson of

0:24:47the movie is if you're walking down the

0:24:49street to be fair no no one ever asked

0:24:51me so is never initiated don't be like

0:24:54me all right sure thank you for that

0:24:57segue John because that leads me to the

0:24:59next plot point which is John's Paula

0:25:04Matt's story line whereas he is driving

0:25:08around trying to cruise for girls he

0:25:11runs into a car full of giggly girls and

0:25:14says hey why don't you want to ride with

0:25:15me well you doesn't matter which one

0:25:17yeah you can go with the this girl's

0:25:19sister oga sister Carol Judy's sister

0:25:22Carol Judy's sister Carol is 12 yeah

0:25:25yeah yes Mackenzie Phillips was 12 when

0:25:28she filmed all that mm-hmm and um

0:25:30realizes he has been had spends much of

0:25:36the rest of the movie just fuming about

0:25:38the the evening that he's been dealt I

0:25:41love that though I love her oh you know

0:25:43it's a it's such a very um sweet

0:25:46interaction between those two where he

0:25:48becomes a little bit of her Protectorate

0:25:52what I what I like about this um segment

0:25:55is it I haven't really studied George

0:25:58Lucas I get the assumption that he

0:26:00really likes westerns cuz the paula mack

0:26:02storyline he it's it's the it's the

0:26:04gunslinger it's Shane he is the

0:26:07protector and he and he drives around

0:26:10town and then and everyone says oh

0:26:12there's a guy gunning for you and he

0:26:14said yeah yeah I know and I I just

0:26:19really like the the interactions between

0:26:21him and and Mackenzie Phillips which I

0:26:25think are delightful well he's set up to

0:26:28at the beginning like one of these

0:26:30things is not like the other like he is

0:26:31teased way too cool for the other guys

0:26:34it's kind of amazing that they speak

0:26:35he's got his fancy car and all of that

0:26:38and so his story gets to be different

0:26:41from the other stories where he's got he

0:26:43gets saddled with this 12 year old girl

0:26:45and he can't find her sister and what I

0:26:48love about that is that that my

0:26:49expectation for this character is

0:26:51completely undermined by the fact that

0:26:54he doesn't dump around the side of the

0:26:55road he talks to her and he's annoyed

0:26:58about it but he like he talks to her he

0:26:59takes care of her they have a rapport

0:27:01and yeah you know it's going in that

0:27:03direction but it's fun because that is

0:27:05not what I expected when I you know when

0:27:08you first see him he's super cool so of

0:27:11course hoodlum yes he runs afoul of the

0:27:13cops he's a troublemaker he pulls down

0:27:16Terry the toads pants right in front of

0:27:18the girl at the drive is yeah but a

0:27:20rogue but he has an affection for the

0:27:21younger ones he's like the older brother

0:27:23like why is he even talking to that me

0:27:24so much older than they are he was out

0:27:26of high school long before they were out

0:27:27of high school because he never left

0:27:29high school yeah all right all right all

0:27:30right now his talk about not wanting to

0:27:32go to the sock hop he's he's the one

0:27:35that's the most stunted in terms of this

0:27:36progression but but he is hanging out

0:27:38with them so i think his glory days were

0:27:39in high school and the reason he hangs

0:27:41out with these younger people is because

0:27:42they're still going to regard him as

0:27:44having some patina of success or cool

0:27:46whereas people his own age or look right

0:27:48through them yeah because they recognize

0:27:50that you know they recognize that he's

0:27:52on the fast track to nowhere he's not

0:27:54getting the Moose Lodge well that's why

0:27:55he loves Terry to Terry the toad who

0:27:57because there's that big boosterism at

0:27:59the end where you know he's recognizing

0:28:01you know why he was gonna beat me and

0:28:03I'm getting old Terry's like no no

0:28:06you're still the greatest been number

0:28:08one always your number-one for another

0:28:10year anyway always have a height man

0:28:12yeah although I want to point out with

0:28:14the Paula Matt character is um the guys

0:28:17I knew who were like this used to just

0:28:19put girls into two different categories

0:28:21which were these are the girls I want to

0:28:23have things to do with and these are the

0:28:26girls that I I don't for whatever reason

0:28:29I don't find them attractive they're too

0:28:30young whatever and so while I think it's

0:28:32great that Paula mods character is the

0:28:34protector and so on and so forth it's

0:28:36also broadcasting pretty clearly that

0:28:38he's he's put her in a bucket where

0:28:40she's untouchable or what have you it

0:28:41does again reemphasize the cheese is

0:28:44well years old yes that's a sensible is

0:28:47not even for some people though I mean

0:28:49of that is a good bucket to put the

0:28:51twelfth year old yeah but he's not

0:28:53making comments like oh

0:28:54see you way too girl it's not like I

0:28:55don't know if anything ever suffered

0:28:57through the movie beautiful girls um but

0:28:59there's a really creepy plotline in

0:29:01there in which a teenage Natalie Portman

0:29:03is repeatedly flinging herself at

0:29:05timothy hutton and he basically

0:29:07intimates that were not for the fact

0:29:09that there's like a decade to half age

0:29:10difference between them and society

0:29:12friends and that sort of thing he you

0:29:14know oh you know if only you were older

0:29:16we get along like a house on fire or

0:29:17whatever and like that doesn't happen

0:29:19here it's sweet that's the thing I kind

0:29:21of find unexpected about it it does

0:29:23remind me the thing that it may even be

0:29:26a touchdown for them is James Franco in

0:29:28freaks and geeks has his sort of soft

0:29:32spot for the for the load for the geeks

0:29:35for the you know Lindsay's younger

0:29:37brother and his friends he's Carlos

0:29:38right with the dungeons and dragons oh

0:29:40yeah exactly it reminds me of that a

0:29:42little bit where where this is a nice

0:29:44fun story where you got the totally

0:29:46toughest nails cool guy and and and it's

0:29:50revealed he's a decent human being

0:29:51underneath that's his dark secret is

0:29:53that is that he's not gonna leave her on

0:29:55the side of the road and that in fact

0:29:56they had this conversation he treats her

0:29:58he doesn't treat her creepily she

0:30:00doesn't she you know she it's yeah i

0:30:02loved it I thought it was great it's

0:30:04only undercuts slightly by these sort of

0:30:06sexual politics of the time being played

0:30:08for laughs in terms of one of her first

0:30:10things is to be like holding over his

0:30:12head oh there's a cop I'll scream all

0:30:14scream than being raped yeah I had that

0:30:16went his way to get her out of the car

0:30:18to be like okay now I have to pretend

0:30:19I'm coming on to you which it still

0:30:21works in the context like look this is

0:30:22this is the only way to show this kid

0:30:24that she's not ready for what she thinks

0:30:26she's ready for and yet the way he I

0:30:29don't know if he was supposed to be as

0:30:30awkward or it's some really bad script

0:30:32writing like I can't imagine that you

0:30:34have to show him trying to come on to

0:30:36her and the lines that he has to say and

0:30:38how he says them it's it's the worst

0:30:40ever anyway like I don't can you really

0:30:43be that much of a nice guy and do that

0:30:45Bluff like I don't that's that's

0:30:47borderline creepy but all of it within

0:30:50the context of the movie fits because

0:30:51like this is the whole mechanic this is

0:30:53you know predator and prey cruising

0:30:55around in your cars and this is the

0:30:58mechanic that everyone has accepted they

0:30:59were all participating in this game to

0:31:01no end that any of them can discern

0:31:03and so it can be used as a plot device

0:31:06in this in this story arc but it was

0:31:08those are too awkward them I'm gonna

0:31:10chalk it up to bad script writing mainly

0:31:12because this is a script that also

0:31:13features the exchange I can get tough

0:31:15with you too you know hard guy it's just

0:31:20it's hard to tell what was supposed to

0:31:21be you know yeah want on what was just

0:31:24unintentional yeah it's not some of it

0:31:27might be bad screenwriting and some of

0:31:28it might be I'm writing dialogue the

0:31:30teenagers would say so I feel like a

0:31:33teenager could could do a fake come on

0:31:35better than he did that mean it may be

0:31:37the point was his heart wasn't supposed

0:31:38to be in and he couldn't believe he was

0:31:39doing it and he's leaning in on her and

0:31:41she's getting good no didn't like that

0:31:43well maybe he's you know partly hoping

0:31:45that she's not into it but as a whole

0:31:46put the whole idea that he's trying to

0:31:48get her out of the car or tell him tell

0:31:50me where your house is and this is this

0:31:52is what I'm gonna do to make it but I

0:31:53mean he's he keeps a very clear distance

0:31:55away from her for you know for his own

0:31:57reasons and also because you know

0:31:58there's the possibility that maybe she's

0:32:00like oh I'm curious about this I'll give

0:32:02it a go so yeah it does make sense

0:32:04within that context it was certainly

0:32:06that the highlight of the arc i think

0:32:08was them like a shaven creaming the the

0:32:09neighboring car and let his hair out of

0:32:11the tires i'm running around that was

0:32:12nicely shot and that was i concurred

0:32:14that was fun although that is one heck

0:32:16of a big can of shaving cream get a lot

0:32:18of mileage out of that do you know it

0:32:19goes a long way because that one's been

0:32:20used already she still has it with her

0:32:22from the previous car shaving cream

0:32:24incident in Eisenhower's America men

0:32:26wanted big fans of shaving cream jam and

0:32:28she covers that entire damn car with

0:32:30that one can that's already been used

0:32:32once it's crazy so they will go quickly

0:32:35through the Ron Howard Steve plotline

0:32:38because we've already really hit the

0:32:40highlights in a way kind of the most

0:32:43poignant cuz he is he thinks one thing

0:32:46and no he learns and one another you are

0:32:50you you think you were X but you were

0:32:52actually why yes so the movie begins

0:32:55with him telling Cindy Williams will see

0:32:57other people Cindy Williamson okay after

0:33:01being initially put off by it Ron Howard

0:33:04going look what no usually supposed to

0:33:07react like that you were supposed to

0:33:08collapse weeping and accept it and yes

0:33:11yeah and and move on and they they have

0:33:15a fight they get separated

0:33:17uh he during all this process realizes

0:33:22that maybe he's not so eager to get out

0:33:24of this this one-horse town as much as

0:33:27he thought he would and it all coalesces

0:33:30into the plot where again all four

0:33:32characters sort of come together which

0:33:33will we'll get to in a moment the the

0:33:36scene that I really like in the the Ron

0:33:38Howard story is is at the sock hop when

0:33:40they're doing the the hunt the

0:33:43unfortunately named snowball dance um

0:33:45and actually the best performance there

0:33:48is Cindy Williams because she um you

0:33:50just see her go from just fury to

0:33:53sadness in in about the time it takes

0:33:57Paul am at to to drive down the streets

0:34:00of Petaluma it's just a really a really

0:34:04great scene that conveys a lot of

0:34:08emotion and a lot of depth and and and

0:34:10for that I kind of uh like that bit of

0:34:13the plot line though the Ron Howard

0:34:15character really doesn't press a lot of

0:34:18buttons for me unfortunately no I mean

0:34:20either and I knew kids like him oh sure

0:34:22he's there I mean he's there doing I

0:34:25think what the what this requires which

0:34:27is he's the wide-eyed you know he's call

0:34:30it gonna be the college boy and all of

0:34:31that I don't know I mean that also the

0:34:34this is the end of summer but there's a

0:34:36sock hop so I guess that maybe the high

0:34:38schools already started and so that

0:34:40they've got an event at the at the gym

0:34:42yeah it's like it's like the orientation

0:34:44and it's hard to say not to see that as

0:34:47a kind of a weed a scene with a lot of

0:34:50yet with an American Bandstand kind of

0:34:54dancing and things like that and so it's

0:34:57it's it's in there that's by the way

0:34:59speaking of locations that's the that's

0:35:01the gym at the high school my daughter

0:35:02goes to 0 I thought I saw that Khris was

0:35:05like oh that's reducing so yeah and

0:35:07kathleen quinlan who is in this as

0:35:09credit as Kathy because everybody hadn't

0:35:11got their stage names front right yet

0:35:13she did she's peg in this and she's so

0:35:16she's City Williams friend um oh she's

0:35:19great and and she was she had just

0:35:21graduated from that high school when she

0:35:23was in this movie with the scene set

0:35:25that she's in at the high school gym

0:35:27it's just what a weird experience to

0:35:29graduate from high school and

0:35:31and then being a feature film in your

0:35:33gym it's totally crazy she is such a

0:35:35wonderful silver of discord oh yeah yeah

0:35:40Skyrim scenes are all good in this movie

0:35:41when their kids were talking to each

0:35:43other in the bathrooms even like the

0:35:44boys making fun of the the zip makeup

0:35:47and then showing it Cherry Bomb you're

0:35:50right man through the one in there cuz

0:35:52this the thing that happens and the

0:35:52girls saying you know that you forget it

0:35:54this guy's leaving you gotta forget

0:35:56about them what do you have to see him

0:35:57forever like just the snare rank talk

0:35:59among once the de genders are separated

0:36:01in in their bathroom environments all

0:36:02while looking in the mirrors that was

0:36:03all good yep know if you go to the

0:36:06bathroom as a girl in high school you

0:36:07you develop like five best friends as

0:36:09you talk over the sink truth sir

0:36:12exchanged insights are plumbed it's it's

0:36:15it's beautiful come to think of it and

0:36:17that's one of the few see well that's

0:36:18actually my biggest complaint about

0:36:20american graffiti is is perhaps that is

0:36:24really and again it's a product of the

0:36:26filmmaker because george lucas has never

0:36:28been known to be particularly and and

0:36:30empathetic towards lots of different

0:36:33points of view but it's a story in which

0:36:35the women aren't really people most of

0:36:37the time yeah and right but tivity to be

0:36:40fair the men aren't always people still

0:36:44you have but still you have for you have

0:36:46four characters whose stories are

0:36:47treated as important true and in every

0:36:50one of those stories a woman can nudge

0:36:51the action along or she can be the

0:36:53reward at the end of the action or what

0:36:55have you but the scene where the women

0:36:57are talking in the bathroom is literally

0:36:59the only time in the movie where like

0:37:01they're acknowledged as human beings

0:37:02that are actually the stars of their own

0:37:05stories and have their own motivations

0:37:06and aspirations separate of how they

0:37:09interact with these these turkeys and

0:37:10chinos yeah and and so that's one of the

0:37:12reasons i like it so much is because it

0:37:14actually treats the women as people and

0:37:16that doesn't happen in a whole lot of

0:37:18the other seems i do like that Cindy

0:37:20Williams right because in the script it

0:37:23Ron Howard basically says how we're

0:37:24gonna see other people right and she's

0:37:26like um right I mean I like that I like

0:37:28that she is acting of her own

0:37:30self-interest and her own best interest

0:37:32through this movie because I feel like

0:37:33you know she could have been written

0:37:35another way where she was like oh sure

0:37:37whatever you say Steve I didn't I felt

0:37:40like that scene she was she it seemed

0:37:42like she was had been so conditioned her

0:37:43entire life

0:37:44be agreeable the one presented with

0:37:46something that was disagreeable it's

0:37:48almost like she couldn't physically

0:37:50disagree in the moment but merely had to

0:37:53go all right I guess this is the thing

0:37:55we're doing I must remain agreeable and

0:37:57only later as the movie progresses like

0:37:59wait a second that yes yeah culminating

0:38:01in the scene where they're dancing and

0:38:02she's pissed off of them and the

0:38:03spotlight is on them oh this is like it

0:38:06like it took her like three scenes to

0:38:07figure out like wait wait a second what

0:38:09do you even you know and then she's like

0:38:11really had it by the time she's in the

0:38:12car with Harrison Ford obviously mm-hmm

0:38:14I also feel like again part of the the

0:38:16way Steve is written is he's obviously

0:38:17he's obviously been the town's golden

0:38:21boy like you know adults like him and he

0:38:23was probably God's person Senor soup

0:38:25relatives and teachers went easy on him

0:38:27and there was always this presumption

0:38:29that Steve deserved to succeed and when

0:38:32you are the girlfriend of the Golden Boy

0:38:34you are from like you that's one of the

0:38:36trade-offs you make as well you know of

0:38:38course why wouldn't you go along with

0:38:40him he's obviously right he's set up and

0:38:41then she realizes it no actually he's a

0:38:44turkey I hate it when Richie and Shirley

0:38:47fight though it isn't sad yeah I don't

0:38:49know how he got his on TV I mean I you

0:38:51know the chronology is backwards but

0:38:52like he does not have a lot of charisma

0:38:54in this movie I feel like of all the

0:38:55people in this may I think Richard

0:38:56Dreyfuss has more charisma than run time

0:38:58in this movie well and not to not to

0:39:01delve into happy days um uh huh

0:39:04backstory but really it was kind of

0:39:07conceived that Anson Williams would be

0:39:10as like a co-lead in that series along

0:39:14with Richie Cunningham and then everyone

0:39:16gravitated towards Fonzarelli yeah which

0:39:19it who is I would say when I saw John

0:39:21the first time in this I always like oh

0:39:24he's a he's he's he's the Fonzie right

0:39:26here than Fonzie like I i I'd also heard

0:39:31the connection between the show and

0:39:32happy days and I watched happy days you

0:39:33know my whole childhood and this movie

0:39:36could not be farther than happy days in

0:39:38every at like the setting is the same

0:39:39but in terms of tone and Carol shortened

0:39:41and treatment it's like nothing from

0:39:44this movie made it into a b days except

0:39:45for the outfits yeah although Richie is

0:39:47Jimmy's boring as Steve and that's what

0:39:49I was going to say is that Ron Howard's

0:39:50not that interesting and happy days too

0:39:52that's why Swansea became the star but

0:39:54but he works as a straight man for

0:39:56Fonzie to be like it's because it's a

0:39:57stupid comedy thing it's got to be like

0:40:00you know he's he's your boring

0:40:01protagonist who things happen to and

0:40:03gets advised by the Alpha characters it

0:40:05works in a sitcom thing problem with

0:40:07Steve and Kurt both for me is there

0:40:10clearly the two that we're supposed to

0:40:11be relating the most to because health

0:40:14John and Terry are they're both

0:40:15caricature there on the outliers there's

0:40:17getting around that and they're

0:40:18interesting because of that because

0:40:20because he does play a little with the

0:40:22expectations on John and Terry's is kind

0:40:24of funny but I think Lucas does a lot of

0:40:28assuming here that we're just going to

0:40:30see the inherent interestingness in

0:40:32Steven Kurt because he does because

0:40:34they're sort of him yes but there's just

0:40:36nothing there so unless you're George

0:40:39Lucas or somebody who grew up exactly

0:40:41like George Lucas or one of these two

0:40:42clowns that were supposed to relate to

0:40:43you just can't well I like so I mean I

0:40:46was going to bring up that because we

0:40:47probably should talk about Richard

0:40:49Dreyfuss is Kurt in his story I think I

0:40:52think what's interesting about that from

0:40:54my perspective is he seems he's he's

0:40:57this kind of wishy-washy guy right the

0:40:59first time we see him he's like I'm

0:41:00probably not going to go i don't know

0:41:01and all that but so so he served meant

0:41:03to be frustrating and infuriating and

0:41:05then he has a wacky like a series of

0:41:09wacky adventures like the wacky

0:41:12adventure plot I saved him from last

0:41:15because the of all the plot lines it's

0:41:18the it felt the most contrived to me

0:41:21where he falls in with the local gang of

0:41:23toughs yeah feroz i gotta say i love

0:41:28parts of the pharaohs and and Kurt plot

0:41:32and I think it actually goes well with

0:41:34with the with the toad plot too because

0:41:37these are the a sequence of unlikely

0:41:39events that keep happening and you it's

0:41:41a long boy I it was a long night you

0:41:44know it's one of those kind of stories

0:41:45where this happened and this happened

0:41:46and I kind of like movies like this this

0:41:49is one of the reasons I like after hours

0:41:50with Griffin Dunne it's similarly like a

0:41:53series of ridiculous event someone has

0:41:55to like that movie it is well I I you

0:41:57know back when with Griffin Dunne was a

0:41:58movie star for the 90 minute runtime of

0:42:00that movie and then that was again um I

0:42:02think there is a genre of you know what

0:42:05happens

0:42:06at 4am I'm crazy night man exactly right

0:42:10well that's and that's what happens here

0:42:11and and i think i think the moment that

0:42:14that it turned the corner for me is

0:42:16there's that scene where they're they're

0:42:18gonna go in and rob the restaurant

0:42:22that's got the the the pinball machines

0:42:25yeah yeah this whole place is for fun

0:42:27and and they and and they know him they

0:42:31know Kurt he's the golden boy he's there

0:42:33the guy dr. scholarship yeah yeah fine

0:42:37mousse someday and I think I think

0:42:40that's funny because it's like what's

0:42:42gonna happen now and he and he you know

0:42:44he talks to them while the other guys

0:42:46steal the money from the pinball machine

0:42:47and then they go and and then and then

0:42:50tie the chain to the car of a cop and

0:42:52tear the cop car part in the any

0:42:54big-budget action sequence of the film

0:42:57which is one of them yes and what one of

0:43:00one of the three anyway there are others

0:43:03i like i like the welders there's a car

0:43:06race as a car race at the end there's

0:43:08the slap fight and that's about it we

0:43:12haven't mentioned the the the the most

0:43:14compelling part of the Richard Dreyfuss

0:43:17storyline which is he sees Suzanne

0:43:19Somers yelling and is just and and she

0:43:23mouths I love you Adam and he is smitten

0:43:25and needs to find out who and his night

0:43:29is basically I need to find out who this

0:43:31girl is because the game is cruising for

0:43:33women and the ultimate winning of the

0:43:35game is cruising for the special woman

0:43:37who will cure everything the magic

0:43:38blonde well I used compelling there were

0:43:42air quotes I'm sorry those didn't okay

0:43:44good good over the transom but I thought

0:43:47I was gonna have to know life is called

0:43:48the movie seemed mostly in on that like

0:43:50that it was saying look look at this guy

0:43:52he's in such dire straits that yes for

0:43:54anything to hang on to and he sees the

0:43:55imaginary woman Chevy Chase ferrari

0:43:57Christie Brinkley style and this like

0:43:59this is his lifeline and we we are

0:44:01laughing at him and realizing this is

0:44:03not going to save him but by the end of

0:44:05the movie he's looking longingly at the

0:44:07plane window at a white car and I hope

0:44:08he's realizing that that was not the

0:44:11wait but it's almost as if like I know

0:44:13you're still out there pretty brown lady

0:44:15I'm flying wet I don't I don't

0:44:18understand it the movie was

0:44:19the same page as me about the but the

0:44:21futility of tying your hopes to nabbing

0:44:25the just the right prey animal in

0:44:27cruising as a solution to your life's

0:44:28problems I was gonna say I think she's

0:44:30imaginary oh yeah absolutely is Christie

0:44:33Brinkley was real though right and I

0:44:36guess yes yes Griswold works in the land

0:44:38of reality um I think when he's my I

0:44:41think when he's flying away and he sees

0:44:43her driving down the road that's one of

0:44:46those moments where he realizes that ok

0:44:48did the the town that I thought I grew

0:44:50up and in the life that I thought I had

0:44:52there that's not entirely real either

0:44:54and that woman that fantasy of who she

0:44:56has belongs to his fantasy of who he was

0:44:58in that town and and I think that's what

0:45:01that's supposed to symbolize is you know

0:45:03it's it's basically like one it's

0:45:06basically two steps before a bunch of

0:45:07jet goes Jedi watching Darth Darth

0:45:09Vader's helmet burn with the evil ha no

0:45:11no Lisa you you were telling me

0:45:13originally they were gonna do like a

0:45:14thing in the opening where Chris at

0:45:16Suzanne Somers like appears and so on

0:45:20and and transparent so the idea is that

0:45:22you see that she's always a phantom and

0:45:23a hallucination realm dog that would

0:45:25have been terrible than having to rather

0:45:28than having today I I feel like it's

0:45:30obvious from the movie both because

0:45:32everybody has like a myth about her

0:45:34she's a kept woman she's a prostitute

0:45:36yeah I like my different stories about

0:45:38her because it says like a small town

0:45:39like oh I know you're talking about no

0:45:41no she's she's the wife of this old

0:45:42person oh she's a prostitute she's like

0:45:44everyone knows who he's talking about

0:45:46even though it's not yeah well they all

0:45:47have this same fantasy yeah and then

0:45:50there's the phone call that happens

0:45:51where it's just incredibly vague and

0:45:53what's really notable about that phone

0:45:54call is she doesn't say a word about

0:45:56herself she doesn't mention her name she

0:45:58doesn't say anything it's all she's

0:46:00basically a mirror reflecting his desire

0:46:02back at him and I think he finally gets

0:46:05that or he's like okay hey this is this

0:46:08is clearly not going to work because

0:46:09you're just echoing you failed the

0:46:11Turing test some great so you're gonna

0:46:14said since the phone woke him from sleep

0:46:15he never actually woke up oh yes that

0:46:19seems pretty clearly telegraphed at

0:46:21least to me what I do like about his

0:46:23quest and she is I think meant to be an

0:46:25impossible dream and write what I do

0:46:28like about his quest honestly the thing

0:46:30I like about it the most is it leads him

0:46:32out

0:46:32to the radio station and go and and the

0:46:36radio station so on the outskirts of

0:46:38town and I've been I've been in that

0:46:41radio station basically like I know

0:46:43that's what it is in the valley like you

0:46:45just go out of stretch of road and

0:46:46there's a transmitter and there's and

0:46:48and wolfman jack is there and wolfman

0:46:50jack this this movie spend a huge

0:46:54percentage of its budget on music like

0:46:56$80,000 of the budget is music there's

0:46:59no score wisely the score is classic

0:47:02hits from the 50s and early 60s it sits

0:47:05right up to 62 where it's set and

0:47:08wolfman jack is the DJ and then he

0:47:11appears at the end of the movie when

0:47:12Richard Dreyfuss goes and talks to him

0:47:14and he makes the request to out to the

0:47:17blonde in the t-bird and what I wanted

0:47:20to say is I love the I love the

0:47:22soundtrack I love the way it's it's done

0:47:25where it's mostly ambient it's just like

0:47:28the music is playing and then

0:47:29everybody's tuned to the same radio and

0:47:31and it is there is nothing more

0:47:34evocative of a hot summer night then

0:47:37everybody driving around with their

0:47:38windows rolled down and the radio coming

0:47:41and especially if everybody's listening

0:47:42to the same radio station and it's just

0:47:44everywhere and then you add that it's

0:47:46the period music to set that tone it's

0:47:49brilliant it's my favorite thing about

0:47:50this movie is and every so often the

0:47:52lyrics match up to what's going on

0:47:54on-screen yes I was about to say quite a

0:47:56lot of the time it does because that

0:47:58there's a lot of really good musical

0:48:02jokes at toad's except the music is

0:48:05mixed kind of like a Scorsese movie

0:48:06though where it's like it's not afraid

0:48:08to put the music out front sort of in

0:48:10the mix where the music is actually more

0:48:12dominant than the dialogue where it just

0:48:14overwhelmed because that is that it is

0:48:15the point of the scene it's like

0:48:16basically a music video and also there

0:48:18are some lines of dialogue and disperse

0:48:19with it so again getting what you're

0:48:21saying Jason were like the music

0:48:24permeates and pervades everything to the

0:48:26point where the conversation you're

0:48:27having with the car realistically is

0:48:28very often difficult to hear over the

0:48:30sound of the music and all the other

0:48:31things that are going on and I

0:48:32definitely got that feel I mean I don't

0:48:35know when one was mean streets was mean

0:48:36streets before this this was a 73 at the

0:48:40same time actually yeah but anyway

0:48:42square sees would do it even more later

0:48:44of like I literally putting the

0:48:46loud you know pop music soundtrack out

0:48:49in front of everything else including a

0:48:51dialogue which definitely changes the

0:48:53feel of the movie and I mean and and it

0:48:56gives gives a feel for place in time in

0:48:58a way that even just like the outfits in

0:49:00the cars doesn't that's right i had to

0:49:02look up the beach boys track because i

0:49:03like surely that wasn't in 1962 and I

0:49:05was like yeah it absolutely was it was

0:49:07the song of the summer that year George

0:49:09Lucas knew I mean they this was a this

0:49:11was and this was the trade-off right

0:49:12we're not going to have a score but wit

0:49:14but that the radio hits are going to be

0:49:16the score and it works so well it is so

0:49:20good yeah I'm ambivalent about most of

0:49:22the the Richard Dreyfuss storyline but I

0:49:25do love that scene with Wolfman Jack

0:49:26because that that is the it's all a

0:49:29facade kid yeah it's all have a popsicle

0:49:32chemical not know what wolfman jack

0:49:34looked like back then cuz I know what he

0:49:36looks like when I was a kid you saw the

0:49:37Hollywood Squares he had the Saturday

0:49:39morning cartoon yeah after American

0:49:41Graffiti he became you know he was big

0:49:44but you know in this scenario where he

0:49:47has two Scooby squad saw did you guys

0:49:49follow DJ's was that only something cuz

0:49:52my girlfriends and I used to have

0:49:53favorite djs because you know again when

0:49:55you're a teenager music is the the pulse

0:49:58of every social interaction and my

0:50:01girlfriends and I could name all of the

0:50:03different djs in all the different

0:50:04stations and you know we didn't know

0:50:08what they look like though we just knew

0:50:09them by their voices we could even

0:50:10rattle off whatever details they had or

0:50:12whatever quirks and this was still back

0:50:14when you could call the DJ and you have

0:50:16a reasonable expectation of having to

0:50:17pick up the phone and talk to you yeah

0:50:19and so I think for these teenagers they

0:50:22probably had this idea that Wolfman Jack

0:50:23was one thing and then Kurt sees that

0:50:25he's actually just died in a Hawaiian

0:50:27shirt the guy an obstacle sure has to

0:50:30talk to teenagers all night while eating

0:50:32melting popsicles and he realizes that

0:50:34oh my god oh my god this is my life has

0:50:38been built on a lie my life isn't built

0:50:40on a lie I'm gonna get on that plane god

0:50:43damn it oh yeah because I tell you the

0:50:45first time I saw a DJ and personal like

0:50:47this guy sounds so much cooler when I

0:50:48don't know what he looks like yeah yeah

0:50:51the wolfman was a bit of an institution

0:50:52it interestingly he does mention at one

0:50:55point he calls out the address of a

0:50:57little stall on

0:51:00Street in Chula Vista California which

0:51:02is where he actually broadcast from not

0:51:04somewhere outside of Modesto yes I

0:51:06thought it was interesting that they

0:51:07left that in my understanding is

0:51:08actually that the that a lot of his

0:51:11interactions and including all the phone

0:51:14calls were from the off air tapes of

0:51:17Wolfman Jack shows those were real not

0:51:20although there's apparently one where he

0:51:22where George Lucas and Joe well of

0:51:25course not is the guy in the pizza place

0:51:27ooh I don't know what you're talking

0:51:29about yeah so whatever happened to

0:51:32George Lucas yeah I don't know they went

0:51:35on to make little art films there's a

0:51:37fair amount of the of the later Lucas

0:51:39floating around in this primordial stew

0:51:41here like there's a there's a line very

0:51:43early on where John is talking to Steve

0:51:45and and Lori about going to the hop and

0:51:48he says you two just got out your ass

0:51:51out of there even then Lucas couldn't be

0:51:54bothered with the second take it's not

0:51:56obviously a shank line could very easily

0:51:58have been redone it's like now that

0:52:00seems pretty good let's go with that yep

0:52:02i will say in Lucas's defense again as

0:52:07it was with Terry crashing his his

0:52:10scooter that a lot of it was if this is

0:52:14going to look like an authentic teen

0:52:15movie let's have them be stumbly and and

0:52:19bad with the dialogue and and and and

0:52:23choke on their lines so that it it

0:52:24sounds like actual 17 and 18 year olds

0:52:27talking his one good idea in this movie

0:52:30that he shot a chronological wasn't oh

0:52:32yeah his claim to fame directorial ii

0:52:34speaking he had one good idea once in

0:52:36his life and was used to good effect so

0:52:38it might be end of the movie everybody

0:52:39looked tired because they were tired we

0:52:42should talk about the the ending of the

0:52:44movie just because we've we've kind of

0:52:45danced around it and also we've been had

0:52:47a like an hour time to move on after we

0:52:49talked about the ending where they all

0:52:50come back together is all night long a

0:52:53young racer has been looking for the

0:52:56Paula Matt character it's played by

0:52:58Harrison Ford who refused to cut his

0:53:00hair for the movie which is why he wears

0:53:02that ridiculous cowboy yeah I like that

0:53:04cowboy hat the reason i like is it shows

0:53:06this is a guy who's hanging on to what

0:53:08his conception of cool was back when he

0:53:09was a teenager so he's Bob falfa

0:53:12it's also telling that an almost named

0:53:14every every scene he appears and he has

0:53:17a different girl in the car because he's

0:53:19just unpleasant to be her Oh Bob's alpha

0:53:22mm-hmm and so he and John Milner finally

0:53:27have their big race in Road in petaluma

0:53:29that I've drove driven down many times

0:53:31and uh Cindy Williams is sitting in the

0:53:36car with Bob falfa because she's trying

0:53:38to get back at at poor Ronnie Howard

0:53:40toad gets to start the race which is you

0:53:44know the highlight of toads life up

0:53:46until the point that he got to hang out

0:53:49with candy clark for the evening there's

0:53:52a race Bob thatha's clearly beating John

0:53:56Milner and then Bob falfa spins out has

0:53:59a crash that's when if Steve hadn't

0:54:02decided that he was staying in modesto

0:54:04that's when he realizes that he is and

0:54:07Paula Matt realizes oh god I'm not a kid

0:54:11anymore I'm I'm mortal and no way John

0:54:15you're the best ever over the okay toad

0:54:19will take them all eventually agrees

0:54:21it's like you know what you're right i

0:54:22will be the best forever the very next

0:54:24scene is just Richard Dreyfuss getting

0:54:26on that plane flying off to his big

0:54:28fancy college back east Ronnie Howard

0:54:31seen behind saying hey I'll be there in

0:54:33a year no you won't know and you you

0:54:36failed the small town test but here this

0:54:38small town test you have an F yeah I

0:54:41feel like when they do the little

0:54:42capsule descriptions at the end and it

0:54:43turns out that toad is dead and uh John

0:54:47is dead that as far as Lucas is

0:54:49concerned steve is also as good as dead

0:54:51because he stayed in modesto ain't got

0:54:53the granite us so he's also dead so

0:54:54everyone's dead he's a writer he's ok

0:55:00he's a writer yeah yeah he's a writer

0:55:01the ultimate the ultimate life victory

0:55:03you know he made I'm wondering if the

0:55:04whole point to him being in Canada's

0:55:06he's a draft dodger that's what my yeah

0:55:07exactly that's not your instil because

0:55:10I'm like oh cannon on my dad like know

0:55:11that he dodged the draft like oh yeah

0:55:13thank you know I'm better and I had not

0:55:15considered that yeah he could have saved

0:55:16his friend toad but nope he was writing

0:55:19yes last time I saw this movie was many

0:55:22years ago

0:55:23when I'm watching it again like I

0:55:25remembered most of the movie in broad

0:55:27strokes but when they're doing the car

0:55:28race scene for a moment I said I'll wait

0:55:30a second is this where Cindy William

0:55:32dies like I meant the whole thing of

0:55:34like oh you got to be careful she does

0:55:36she doesn't want to be in the car you

0:55:37got to get out of the car you know like

0:55:40I knew the car was gonna crash because I

0:55:41remember that I know he's gonna win the

0:55:42race because of a congress like did they

0:55:44kill her is that is at the end like if

0:55:46this movie was a little bit deeper into

0:55:47the 70s and was directed by someone

0:55:48other than George Lucas she would have

0:55:50died in that thing like that would have

0:55:51been really close if it would have been

0:55:54Martin Scorsese she would have been

0:55:56wearing a red dress like it's time her

0:56:00you know that their relationship they

0:56:01couldn't get it together and like you

0:56:03want to seize other people and they're

0:56:05just going in different directions and

0:56:06she just was goes into a car with a

0:56:07stranger and it's a bad choice and she

0:56:10wants out but then she wants to get back

0:56:11at him and she's in the car just you

0:56:13know you get what are you doing in that

0:56:14car sir john tells her to get out the

0:56:15car she says just be quiet and then she

0:56:18dies in a car wreck i met honestly that

0:56:19wreck with like no seat belts in that

0:56:20high of a car they're not walking away

0:56:22from that instead she gets up and she's

0:56:24so spunky she's hitting Ron Howard two

0:56:25seconds later so yeah I mean I'm glad

0:56:28she didn't but it would have been even

0:56:30more 70s movie and a very different

0:56:32movie if she had died in that car

0:56:34because that really would have taught

0:56:35Steve you know like you've made some bad

0:56:37choices yeah this is pretty early 70s

0:56:40things didn't really get gritty and

0:56:41nasty for a few more years yeah this was

0:56:44one of the first movies to do that

0:56:45epilogue were at post and here's what

0:56:48happened to all those characters we

0:56:49haven't with two hours which animal

0:56:52house kind of took the piss out of five

0:56:54years late I love I love both as that

0:56:56belongs so much without senator

0:56:58blutarsky and wife and that's when you

0:57:00have to end the epilogue at the end of

0:57:02year the movie Vietnam is hanging over

0:57:04this movie so you kind of almost have to

0:57:06say because because this is the question

0:57:09you're watching a movie set 10 years in

0:57:11the past these are a bunch of high

0:57:12school kids Vietnam is happening what

0:57:15you know what's going to happen and so

0:57:17you kind of have to say yeah he went off

0:57:18and died in Vietnam and and and so I

0:57:22feel like it almost requires that you

0:57:25address that and so there it is you know

0:57:27he didn't make it back and you know this

0:57:29guy stayed in town sells insurance or

0:57:32whatever and then this guy went to

0:57:34Canada and as a writer and

0:57:35III yeah yeah I wanted to say before we

0:57:39move on that I did watch this movie

0:57:42thinking what would George Lucas have

0:57:46been as a filmmaker if he hadn't made

0:57:49Star Wars or if he had or if Star Wars

0:57:52had not succeeded because I feel like he

0:57:55might have had a very interesting and

0:57:58very different career trajectory based

0:58:00on this film because I think this is a

0:58:03really well made film it's got some

0:58:05issues but I think it's really well-made

0:58:06and evocative and given the budget and

0:58:08then you know and then he made Star Wars

0:58:10which is a huge hit and is a great movie

0:58:12but I do i do wonder cuz and that's the

0:58:14shame of it is that you know that guy

0:58:16never made another movie right after

0:58:18Star Wars he never he never got the

0:58:20chance to make another movie because by

0:58:21the time he was directing movies again

0:58:22it wasn't the same guy it wasn't the guy

0:58:24who made our American Graffiti it was

0:58:26the builder of an empire and it's a

0:58:28little bit it's a little bit of a shame

0:58:30i think because i would have been

0:58:31interested to see him take a more 70s

0:58:35cinema path instead of you know what

0:58:38ended up happening which was that he

0:58:40became star wars incorporated i would

0:58:42have liked to have seen the modesto

0:58:43trilogy yeah of your of your 70s

0:58:47directors your Martin Scorsese's your

0:58:49Francis Ford Coppola 'he's you can even

0:58:51include brian de palma in that group and

0:58:54Spielberg George Lucas's career path

0:58:58kind of became the least interesting

0:59:01right of those in that like you say it

0:59:03became George Lucas industry as words we

0:59:06got to move some Kenner action figures

0:59:08guys oh and he obviously made a decision

0:59:11to lean into the business side to not

0:59:13even direct the second and third films

0:59:15to do all of that he could have

0:59:17potentially made a different decision

0:59:20love with the visual effects too because

0:59:22it seems like a lot of his death was

0:59:23driven by it doesn't look like the

0:59:25pictures in my head and it became less

0:59:27about what is the story I'm telling him

0:59:29more about how is the story being

0:59:31presented visually it's like that dude

0:59:33in Boston who got so into the technology

0:59:36in the engineering that he dropped out

0:59:38of the band to just do recording

0:59:40technology fault you know you know you

0:59:43get some people who get sidetracked by

0:59:45by it doesn't match what's in my head

0:59:47and they

0:59:49they put there was a narrative thread

0:59:50because we can give George a lot of crap

0:59:52for what he did later in his career but

0:59:54yes you know this is a good movie and

0:59:55star wars is a really great movie and

0:59:57and then it was so

0:59:57and then it was so

1:00:00successful that we never saw this young

1:00:02filmmaker make up what would the next

1:00:04one have been we'll we'll never know

1:00:05arguably this is the movie where he was

1:00:07most moderated by the influence of

1:00:09others who were shoring up his

1:00:10weaknesses you know I mean yes you're

1:00:12like so like this this is this is a

1:00:14rookie type of thing every when he's

1:00:17left completely on his own you get THX

1:00:191138 or you know the prequels and in

1:00:22between their varying degrees of

1:00:23moderation and writing help and ability

1:00:26to say no to him that allowed the good

1:00:29things I mean that's that's arguably

1:00:30what what a Hollywood production machine

1:00:32is supposed to do it take talent and

1:00:34allowed their good aspects that come

1:00:35through in the places where they lack

1:00:37fill those gaps I agree this is a movie

1:00:39that's that's put together and very

1:00:40interestingly particularly as you

1:00:42already called out Jason the way the

1:00:43soundtrack works is very cool I also

1:00:46want to call out the scene where Kurt is

1:00:48cabling the police car and there's an

1:00:51approaching train which he uses kind of

1:00:54his building music it's almost like you

1:00:56know his heart beating as he got caught

1:00:58and the and as just as he's about to

1:01:01cable the car that the train skids to a

1:01:03halt and you hear that brake squeal and

1:01:05it goes very quiet and it's just a

1:01:07beautifully shot wonderfully tense scene

1:01:11in the middle of this otherwise almost

1:01:12tension free movie and it's very cool

1:01:15and I I do tend to give Lucas a lot of

1:01:17crap but that's that is a sign of where

1:01:21he had some definite genius this movie

1:01:23looks good too like no visual effects

1:01:24but you know that the change in quality

1:01:27of the light as the night progresses and

1:01:30comes morning works beautifully and is

1:01:32we've pretty well throughout the movie

1:01:34even though they're jumping around from

1:01:35location to location the night scenes

1:01:36with the streetlights and the cars and

1:01:39shiny chrome yeah the setting is perfect

1:01:41this setting is just straight-up perfect

1:01:43i will say that i had not seen this

1:01:45movie before although i'd seen bits and

1:01:48pieces of it many many times over the

1:01:50years is the first time i sat down and

1:01:51watched it end to end and while I i I'm

1:01:55glad I watched it and I enjoyed the

1:01:57experience this is a slow movie it's

1:02:02deliberately paced yes it is but it's

1:02:04it's you know it's I know this this is a

1:02:06fond remembrance of a bygone time right

1:02:08and it's it's it's lucas is a nostalgia

1:02:11trip and it's the nostalgia trip of

1:02:13everybody who

1:02:13grew up in that era and lived this but I

1:02:17didn't and so the fact that we have to

1:02:20linger on every moment of the sock hop

1:02:22or Kurt strolling endlessly down the

1:02:24halls of the high school and playing

1:02:26with the lockers and stuff it just gets

1:02:28it gets pretty tedious for me you didn't

1:02:31say yeah the overwhelming feeling of

1:02:32heartbreak keeping you attached to the

1:02:34movie like I didn't I think Lisa did to

1:02:36like just that just that the entire

1:02:38movie like I was surprised by my

1:02:40reaction too because I had seen it many

1:02:41many times in the past but not for many

1:02:43years and seeing it maybe I'm older and

1:02:44and more mushy now but like just just

1:02:48the heartbreak that pervades the movie

1:02:50because as an older person you know that

1:02:52this is all you know yeah tell me turn

1:02:54it I I think it's a mistake to dismiss

1:02:56this totally as a nostalgia thing that

1:02:58was a big thing in the 70s there was a

1:03:00big let's make movies about the 1950s

1:03:03and early 1960s like this and grease and

1:03:07animal house and but III think this one

1:03:10is better than those because that

1:03:13there's actually a timeless poignancy to

1:03:17it about what you lose as you get older

1:03:21that that um Lucas briefly tapped into

1:03:25um yeah well it briefly is the thing I

1:03:28for me that I appreciate no because the

1:03:30that's touched upon that's definitely

1:03:32there but it is couched in so much of

1:03:34the you know oh it's we gotta throw in a

1:03:36cherry bomb and does it make up and

1:03:37literally everything that happened in

1:03:39the early 60s has to be compressed into

1:03:41this one night and there's just so much

1:03:43of it it just completely dilutes the the

1:03:45poignancy of it for me and it's not

1:03:47helped by the fact that I find both uh

1:03:48Steven Curt stories totally uninspiring

1:03:52yeah they're the least compelling yes

1:03:54and I also not super pleased about the

1:03:56image in my head i have now of George

1:03:58Lucas rolling around in margarine which

1:04:00could've done without but you know it's

1:04:05it's this is a movie that I really

1:04:07enjoyed uh I have a great deal of

1:04:09respect for the way it's made the way

1:04:11it's filmed um and I don't think I ever

1:04:14need to wash it again right shall we

1:04:16move on to get on our bikes and right

1:04:18away yes cutter worse let's ride out of

1:04:23the 1970s and into the early 1980s but

1:04:26really

1:04:271979 it's breaking away time which is

1:04:31suddenly town of Bloomington Indiana

1:04:34home of the Indiana University yep and

1:04:37we are our four heroes are Dave Mike

1:04:41Cyril and moocher yes Yong Yong Beck

1:04:44Hanson and several other 19 year olds

1:04:47who uh basically are on their gap year

1:04:51after graduating high school and they

1:04:55are they are Tony's in a university town

1:04:59where the smart handsome rich people

1:05:01come to to learn and they are sort of

1:05:04just they are beginning to realize that

1:05:07they are likely going to be left behind

1:05:10by all that nevertheless our hero is

1:05:14Dave who is played by Dennis Christopher

1:05:17and he has developed a a very particular

1:05:22passion for bicycling um yeah especially

1:05:25especially with the Italian team to the

1:05:28point where he actually begins speaking

1:05:30in a comical Italian accent oh and

1:05:35shaving his legs and doing all sorts of

1:05:39things to upset his father who's played

1:05:42by the Magnificent oh so good Paul

1:05:46Dooley in this role I'm your goddamn

1:05:48father I'm not your super feet I'm not

1:05:51your pop I'm your guy don't have any in

1:05:53this house no yeah Tom oh really yes

1:05:56really is pretty much is the best thing

1:06:00in this movie for me was the opening

1:06:01moments when the title card comes up and

1:06:03it's like oh hey that guy's in this and

1:06:05that guy and that guy and end of the one

1:06:08guy I didn't know was of course the lead

1:06:10yes ya know they suck his other friends

1:06:13I should mention her plate by Dennis

1:06:14Quaid who looks like he was carved from

1:06:16Brock oh he's like a marble statue made

1:06:20animate it's amazing he would maintain

1:06:22that figure his whole life he was cut

1:06:25out of that quarry there who just made

1:06:27like a Greek god yep and then there's

1:06:29Daniel Stern who again less carved but

1:06:33still this is a reminder young actors

1:06:35make sure you're in movies where you

1:06:36take your shirt off a lot when you're

1:06:37young yeah you're gonna wish you had

1:06:40when you're

1:06:41because this movie has a lot i mean the

1:06:4370s in general had a lot of shirtless

1:06:45men and this movie is like even just

1:06:46even just in the sidelines in crowd

1:06:48scenes maybe you know one at every

1:06:51hundred men has no shirt it's just

1:06:53normal hey that's what this movies about

1:06:55right that's what his mom tells him to

1:06:57keep your shirt off when you're young

1:06:58and you can yep and some other words i

1:07:03think but yeah that was the gist sure so

1:07:04the other the other two friends are

1:07:06Daniel Stern who is the awkward

1:07:07apparently basketball-playing friend

1:07:10when really Daniel Stern plays an

1:07:12awkward loser yeah yeah no it's really

1:07:14odd and then there's Jackie Earle Haley

1:07:16who looks gross yeah as as mooch address

1:07:21freckles he looks like every kid in 1979

1:07:25yeah basically Kelly leak gone to seed

1:07:27from the bad news bears measure you can

1:07:30see a comment in that movie too mm-hmm

1:07:32so they are they are us they they they

1:07:35are literally Steve from American

1:07:38Graffiti stuck in the town but without

1:07:40prospects other than Dave kind of being

1:07:43into bicycling and um they get into some

1:07:47fussing and some feuding with some of

1:07:49the fraternity boys from from Indiana

1:07:51University Dave uh finds himself uh

1:07:55romancing a co-ed as it in his Italian

1:07:594700 coed who is apparently not very

1:08:03bright because no accent not being

1:08:06exactly Enrico Johnson Rico he's got a

1:08:09Vespa he's very Italian and the best pop

1:08:13on the fishing boat that is just cringey

1:08:15ya know every every scene where he that

1:08:19I have mixed feelings about that entire

1:08:22plot line where he deludes this this

1:08:24apparently dim young woman into

1:08:27believing that he's from some Italian

1:08:29fishing village because on the one hand

1:08:31there is a certain sweetness to it in

1:08:33their interactions and on the other hand

1:08:35it's really freaking creepy it's very

1:08:37sitcom and there's a lot of this movie

1:08:39that feels like it was pulled from

1:08:41television in in the 1970s and perhaps

1:08:45not ironically it would become a sitcom

1:08:47indeed after the success of this man I

1:08:49mean a lot of the humor feels like it's

1:08:51very very TV yeah there's

1:08:53scene where Daniel Stern gets his

1:08:55fingers stuck in the bowling ball that's

1:08:57above the level of TV come on that's

1:08:59quality entertainment no that's huge

1:09:02level humor this is an eighties movie

1:09:04like this is something movie made in 79

1:09:06but when he's swinging that bowling ball

1:09:08around and they're having a brawl in the

1:09:09bowling alley oop that's 80s movies jump

1:09:12I do like that he just he's got a

1:09:15bowling ball on his hand now all right

1:09:17and then they go college kids account

1:09:19the college boys are right out of 80

1:09:21central casting yeah yeah oh yeah think

1:09:23they went they went straight to revenge

1:09:25of the nerds after this mom justjust

1:09:26ruled off of one set and read on to

1:09:28another one the main body is played by

1:09:30heart bochner Ellis UC San Diego

1:09:33graduate who who you may remember

1:09:34negotiating with the Hans Gruber yeah

1:09:37naka Tony tower you could tell that's

1:09:40how he would end up in this movie indeed

1:09:42yes if they did the little American

1:09:45Graffiti right exactly the end of the

1:09:47movie he would be killed in knock to

1:09:49meet our speaking of 80s movies and and

1:09:53him there's that perfect scene at the

1:09:55end where where everything is worked out

1:09:58and Ellis can't help but smile and laugh

1:10:00now but you got it it's the end of an

1:10:02eighties movie you gotta be like Oh

1:10:03nerds all right I'll see you guys are

1:10:05okay those plucky cutters it and you can

1:10:08almost hear him thinking you're all

1:10:09right LaRussa that's really i want to

1:10:13mention by the way the the dad the line

1:10:16that i really like it was while we're

1:10:17talking with the it's this whole Italian

1:10:18plot the dead says at one point I don't

1:10:23want any e me in this house zucchini

1:10:25Fellini watch Gennie I asked my wife if

1:10:30she didn't know with what zucchini was

1:10:31because I found this an unbelievable

1:10:32aspect of the movie that there could be

1:10:34adults in the united states who didn't

1:10:36know what zucchini was and she assures

1:10:38me that it is at least plausible it's

1:10:40just squad 1979 it's blooming it is

1:10:43certainly plausible in Indiana yeah in

1:10:45in nicely explained it's like a squash

1:10:47you want some American food like french

1:10:49fries as the child of two indiana

1:10:51natives i can assure you this movie is

1:10:54painfully accurate and they do not know

1:10:56how to cook zucchini what do not know

1:10:58what it is though they wouldn't know how

1:11:00to cook it if you if Mario Batali showed

1:11:02up in their house let's tell them it's

1:11:04summer squash maybe they'll get it I

1:11:06don't know

1:11:07that's the rationalization I have for

1:11:08Katherine believing his Italian accent

1:11:11too wasn't she from the east coast

1:11:12though yeah that's a good point well I

1:11:13don't know if she is that she's in a

1:11:15waspy enclave of Connecticut and had

1:11:17never met an Italian before that's a

1:11:19good point also entirely possible anyway

1:11:21that's the work we get for an 80s movie

1:11:22contrivance you know like that's again

1:11:25the serenading the balcony fraternities

1:11:28and sororities college kids versus

1:11:30townies this moon was ahead of its time

1:11:31in many ways indeed yeah yeah and again

1:11:34it's one of those movies that kind of

1:11:35defies plot recaps the plot recap ER

1:11:38realized while watching it regretting

1:11:41his choices in life and suffice it to

1:11:45say there are lots of misadventures with

1:11:47the four friends where they'll fail in

1:11:49their own ways really they all fail in

1:11:51their own way Dennis Quaid tries to race

1:11:53against heart bochner at the at the

1:11:55stone quarry and and comes up comes up

1:11:58almost rounds finishes third in a

1:12:00two-man race um Daniel Stern gets beat

1:12:03up by the by the heart bochner games

1:12:07just a good Papa proud boys yeah we're

1:12:09the fred wahl attendees a serenade in

1:12:11character is Italian guy the the girl in

1:12:15the sorority house yeah I think I've

1:12:17mentioned that Jackie Earle Haley is

1:12:19short and gross yep it is maybe people

1:12:22remind of repeatedly hey shorty don't

1:12:24forget to punch the clock and which he

1:12:26literally does by punching the clock at

1:12:28the job that he said don't call me

1:12:30shorty they call him chicken hey kids

1:12:32can't help but react yeah that's exactly

1:12:33right but what eventually happens is

1:12:36that the president of Indiana University

1:12:39actually played by the president of

1:12:41Indiana University at the time really

1:12:43why's everyone together yeah yeah and

1:12:45says hey hey I can't have this fussin

1:12:48and feudin in my town so what's going to

1:12:51happen is that we're going to have a

1:12:54team of townies in the little 500 which

1:12:58is a a bike race that they actually have

1:13:00at Indiana University where Noah you

1:13:03right around 44 uh however many laps and

1:13:08you hurried off and the cutters are all

1:13:11this is great because we've got a guy

1:13:13who's really good at riding the bicycle

1:13:15Dave rides the whole race and we win

1:13:16yeah you know I'm willing to accept

1:13:18almost everything that happens

1:13:20movie but when the punishment for

1:13:22starting a fight in the student union is

1:13:24that they're going to let the Townies

1:13:26into a bicycle race Wow well it seems

1:13:30cooler that's when you have to have a

1:13:31car wash to stop the real estate

1:13:33developers from taking up a couple it's

1:13:35an 80s movies on Orthodox but I'll allow

1:13:37it what a coincidence it turns out that

1:13:39Ellis is a big cycling enthusiasts to

1:13:41what he's on the team he's a young man

1:13:43on campus he does every bicycles at dawn

1:13:45first thing I does not this but they're

1:13:47not good enough yeah that's a great line

1:13:49they're totally encapsulates the whole

1:13:50sir they're not good enough and I should

1:13:53be in a movie what am i doing in this

1:13:55movie I'm a villain I'm snooty so the

1:13:59the the race as you mentioned the the

1:14:03little 500 that is the climax of the

1:14:05movie uh what one of the things that I

1:14:08noticed at the end that I thought was

1:14:09kind of charming is that it is mostly

1:14:13just wide shots of bicycles racing yeah

1:14:16one continuous cut for the last lap and

1:14:19a half it's like God just let's all

1:14:20watch the race together they're not like

1:14:22it there's no cameras on the bike a

1:14:24modern movie would have liked the

1:14:25close-ups of like various teams doing

1:14:27various things and it's like no you get

1:14:29you get occasional moments of detail but

1:14:31it's not really about the race and then

1:14:32you just go back to the shot of like

1:14:34here's everybody racing I will say

1:14:36though that's counter pointed with the

1:14:38announcer who we hear in the background

1:14:39explaining what's going on he is

1:14:41strangely specific as if he is actually

1:14:44just the narrator of the film it's

1:14:46that's the part that struck me is that

1:14:48the move the video is like the pictures

1:14:51are very generic and like let's watch

1:14:52this together but then the announcer is

1:14:54over compensating and literally

1:14:56narrating the movie for us when it's

1:14:57shock and surprise you to know that the

1:14:59announcer is the guy whom this is all

1:15:00based on nothing would surprise me about

1:15:02this movie at this yeah well it is it's

1:15:04it's it's the guy that is the dude so I

1:15:08thought that worked pretty well because

1:15:09they have the crowd noise up over the

1:15:11announcer so you can barely hear the

1:15:13announcer because like if you were there

1:15:14you'd mostly just hear the hair out

1:15:15screaming and I think that that scene at

1:15:16the end where they follow them they

1:15:18follow just the promo distant shot up in

1:15:20the stands of the bikes going around the

1:15:21track once and then twice for that you

1:15:23know the white flag and then the

1:15:24checkered flag it there's no cutaways

1:15:25yet scrotum and all you hear is the

1:15:27crowd and you can barely hear the

1:15:29announcer kind of saying his announcing

1:15:31thing and his boar

1:15:32announcer voice but you're not really

1:15:34paying attention in the crowd is

1:15:35screaming that's that's a plus it's

1:15:37really your sports excitement that's the

1:15:39point at which i thought to myself

1:15:40you've done the impossible movie you've

1:15:43made me give a crap about the results of

1:15:45a bicycle arias well wouldn't with no

1:15:48stakes it's not like if you win this

1:15:49race you get a scholarship or something

1:15:51no no it's just the soul of the cutters

1:15:53that's at stake John come on yeah I know

1:15:55but you know I mean what happens if i

1:15:57win the race well you-you-you you've won

1:15:59the race and you get a nice trophy yeah

1:16:01congratulations and what if I lose well

1:16:04you get to continue living in the town

1:16:06is if you didn't participate you know

1:16:08the race is it's a testy the whole idea

1:16:11here is that the the dave is gonna is

1:16:14gonna rub the whole race for them which

1:16:15I I do wonder like well he's that that

1:16:18good that he can run all the laps and

1:16:19everybody else can have four different

1:16:21guys and let's keep it up at the chins

1:16:23on it is pretty well established by the

1:16:25rest of the movie that he is actually

1:16:26yeah well established in the movie that

1:16:28he is a very good cyclist the only time

1:16:30that he fails is when he's racing

1:16:33against a professional Italian team

1:16:35Amanda and they're jerks Rodney's and

1:16:38they'd has so many Italians do John they

1:16:41they cheat him after flipping him off

1:16:47they do him dirty up and salt him and

1:16:50then then yeah they stick something in

1:16:53his folks so it's like one of the

1:16:54greatest father-son scenes in that movie

1:16:56though when young when he breaks down

1:16:58and begins to weep oh yes he says daddy

1:17:02and you see Paul Dooley look panicked

1:17:04for a moment before finally hugging his

1:17:06son yep he's awkwardly trying to figure

1:17:08out what happens he looks down at his

1:17:09wife and sees that she's got tears in

1:17:11his eyes he's like well what are you

1:17:12doing what's happening I've lost legal

1:17:16orders her to do something this huh so

1:17:19to go back to the race for a second my

1:17:21point though is that is that since dave

1:17:23is the star of the of the group in terms

1:17:25of being the start of the movie but also

1:17:27the start by Sickler what we get is just

1:17:29enough drama to show the state of mind

1:17:32of the other characters so he gets hurt

1:17:35and they have to replace him and so we

1:17:39get uh you know dennis quaid doesn't

1:17:42want to do it but daniel stern game

1:17:45meffert in Jackie Earle Haley doesn't

1:17:47game effort and then finally Dennis

1:17:49Quaid sort of like he has his moment

1:17:51where he kind of turns around and says

1:17:52I'm going to do this and then of course

1:17:54Dave is able to re-enter the guy the guy

1:17:56goes by from the frat and says nice try

1:17:58kid and that pisses him off Yeah right

1:18:00it's on the bike and takes so they get

1:18:01just enough participation in the race

1:18:03for their character moments and then

1:18:05dave gets back on the bike and wins the

1:18:06race and that's yes perfect they each

1:18:08get their little chance at at victory

1:18:10little chance at redemption I was

1:18:12fantastic and it works out like it is

1:18:15fairly you know for for a movie of this

1:18:17kind realistic about mike is fit like

1:18:19he's not a bicycle rider but he only has

1:18:21to do one or two fast light and he's

1:18:22pissed off and so he you know he does

1:18:24keep them in it like the constant

1:18:26announcing of their position and the

1:18:27trades and everything make you believe

1:18:29that they they wouldn't have been

1:18:31completely out of contention yes yeah

1:18:33you right in a sense that Daniel Stern

1:18:35probably would be a train wreck on the

1:18:36bike and it turns out that he is but

1:18:38he's just good enough to keep in the

1:18:40pack somewhere in the head and Jackie

1:18:42Earle Haley fall asleep okay can't

1:18:45really possible lead oh it's hysterical

1:18:47when he's on the bike to and he can

1:18:48barely reach the pedals his little legs

1:18:50can't keep up but he gives a game effort

1:18:52every one of them puts in their little

1:18:55there a little bit and they get their

1:18:56little a little victory so so to

1:18:58characterize this movie because we

1:19:00always talked about it as an age movie

1:19:01this is not really but when I think of

1:19:03this movie I think about but watching it

1:19:04again for the umpteenth time occurred to

1:19:06me that this is a movie in the grand

1:19:09tradition of 80s movies they glorified a

1:19:11single sport there's movies about BMX

1:19:14riding movies about you know swimming

1:19:17diving churning like you just ricotta

1:19:20jacana whatever you just pick us pick a

1:19:24sport in the 80s you can make an entire

1:19:26movie and the point of that movie was

1:19:27like it's a soccer movie it's a football

1:19:29movie and the whole point of the movie

1:19:31was glorifying sport that's not the

1:19:32whole point of this move but this movie

1:19:33hits all those notes particularly when I

1:19:35was a kid the heart of this movie was

1:19:36him riding his bike behind the truck

1:19:38which is not the most important part of

1:19:39this movie but it was like look at this

1:19:41cool thing that they're doing in the

1:19:42sport that you previously didn't care

1:19:44about but suddenly it seems really cool

1:19:46and I don't all of my friends wanted to

1:19:48ride behind a truck to see how fast you

1:19:49can go on 10-speed bike oh I love this

1:19:51by the way Phil technically gymkata is a

1:19:53celebration of both gymnastics and

1:19:55martial arts

1:19:56haha let's be accurate here you know

1:19:59it's you say that this is a focus on on

1:20:01bicycling and yet we don't have an

1:20:03actual bike race until an hour and one

1:20:06minute into the movie well it was the

1:20:08whole training thing like the idea that

1:20:09he is dedicating his life to this that

1:20:11the tennspeed bikes are a cool thing yes

1:20:13but I mean it's not about the biking and

1:20:15that he can you can use to pick up girls

1:20:16because he can catch up to them even

1:20:17though they're on a motorized scooter he

1:20:19can bring back her notebook and he you

1:20:21know he's training out in the rain on

1:20:23the little the you know the the trainer

1:20:25wheelie thingy and he's Brydon behind

1:20:27the truck and he races with the Italians

1:20:29and it's that again like this is the

1:20:31movie so much more than that but it fits

1:20:32neatly right into that slot because I

1:20:34trying to think of another what is it

1:20:36what is another 80s bike racing movie I

1:20:38mean you've got you've got rad for BMS

1:20:40that's a different right gleaming the

1:20:42cube is that a biking Thank You morning

1:20:44mallesh skateboard wasn't wasn't Kevin

1:20:46Bacon the movie about bike messenger

1:20:48silver okay Quicksilver god damn it can

1:20:53make anything cool like bike messengers

1:20:55that bet they're cool too sure we make

1:20:56it any shoes me about them and bike

1:20:58messaging is life this movie is not a

1:21:00movie about a used car salesman ship

1:21:02this is a different movie about making

1:21:03that cool yeah so yeah the things I want

1:21:06the things I love about this movie um I

1:21:08love the fact that you can watch it as a

1:21:10young man as I did and be all yeah young

1:21:14man you've you've capsule youyou've

1:21:16encapsulated my feelings about life or

1:21:18you can watch it now as an old man as

1:21:20I'd rico that that Paul Dooley character

1:21:23really resonates me um love that love

1:21:27the Paul Dooley Dennis Christopher

1:21:29relationship in this movie um okay what

1:21:35I so here's my here's my thing I think

1:21:37the pole the the dad father-son

1:21:39relationship ends up being great but at

1:21:42the beginning when he's all like oh it's

1:21:44Italian oh I don't know and all that I

1:21:47feel like I I don't like him and I feel

1:21:50like he's a kind of a ridiculous

1:21:51caricature at that point so okay I takes

1:21:54me awhile to get and to get to get to

1:21:58understand him he's got the whole Hill

1:21:59thumb is diploma at me thing which seems

1:22:01and so I mean again do I think that

1:22:05there are people who are reluctant to

1:22:08support their children in higher

1:22:09education because

1:22:10as they are seeing them go further than

1:22:14them even though they should be proud of

1:22:15them yes there are those people the way

1:22:17he does it is so on-the-nose and so

1:22:19broad that I don't like it it's only

1:22:21when he finally acts like a human being

1:22:24in the last part of the movie that I

1:22:26appreciate that relationship he's not a

1:22:27human being in the first part he's just

1:22:29a caricature well in his defense of

1:22:31Italian stuff is incredibly irritating I

1:22:34can kind of series coming through but he

1:22:36doesn't respond like a human being to it

1:22:38he's just as a dummy like response

1:22:40dynamic in the house is that he makes

1:22:42these pronouncements and that his wife

1:22:43moderates and everyone agrees to

1:22:45basically ignore his ranting and ravings

1:22:47because this is the dynamic in the

1:22:48family like no one is taking him

1:22:49seriously and the Sun is not being

1:22:51crushed by those things the Sun is

1:22:52crushed instead later when he's in his

1:22:54bedroom and hears him through the wall

1:22:55when he's not when they thinks he's

1:22:57speaking you know privately or he's

1:22:58actually angry about it but but yeah I

1:23:00think that's part of the sale here is it

1:23:01he's not a good dad especially in the

1:23:03beginning and he's his own frustrations

1:23:05are coming and my note says dad sucks

1:23:07that's oh there's so much else though

1:23:10that's goofy and caricature in this

1:23:13movie that to me it just kind of blended

1:23:14in I mean the whole his whole Italian

1:23:16thing is way over the top I mean you

1:23:20know obviously you've got the

1:23:20ridiculously 80s villain performance

1:23:23from ballast and I mean everything is

1:23:25just kind of a little off kilter and a

1:23:28bit more I feel like this movie is the

1:23:30spiritual predecessor to a Christmas

1:23:32store where this is kind of sense of and

1:23:34it will take place in Indiana and they

1:23:36both take place around a dyspeptic

1:23:37father and a moderating mother and the

1:23:39idea is that your life becomes imbued

1:23:42with as much drama as you care to put

1:23:44into it in half of the time you're

1:23:45living inside your own head they're

1:23:47basically the same movie let me just say

1:23:50as the son of a caricature dyspeptic

1:23:53father from Indiana um nothing painfully

1:23:56on the girls giving you dodge those

1:23:58jeans huh parts of this movie really

1:24:01resonate for for our fill so all right

1:24:05yeah let's just say did why are we

1:24:09watching this documentary see ya you're

1:24:13in the movie yep so yeah it works for me

1:24:17okay oh my god no I I love that I love

1:24:19the scene where barbara barry puts the

1:24:21moves on offensive side and with the

1:24:23ha that is he puts out the candle with

1:24:26his fingers this is big you know his

1:24:28bravado just move that's his finishing

1:24:31move the bit where he sensuously pulls

1:24:33his pocket protector out to the Italian

1:24:35operas yes daringly money and I do I

1:24:39actually like the scene where he goes

1:24:41back to the quarry to we're worried

1:24:43where he worked as a young man those

1:24:45glory days a tu correo sure sure yeah

1:24:47I'm gonna drive a few wedges attend to

1:24:49realizes I cannot do that anymore I did

1:24:53it is all all past me but um the other

1:24:56thing that I really enjoy about breaking

1:24:59away is the fact that it's directed by

1:25:02an Englishman um Peter yay to his other

1:25:07big movies are bullet one of my favorite

1:25:10cop movies by the way and possibly a

1:25:12future old movie love entry he did hot

1:25:15rock which is a really good k / movie

1:25:17and um he later on he would do the

1:25:21dresser which is a nice character study

1:25:23and it just it's always astounded me

1:25:27that this guy who did not grow up in

1:25:30America really managed to tap into this

1:25:33little slice of American middle America

1:25:36Americana in perhaps a cliched way as

1:25:40some of you think but really it strut it

1:25:44really has an authentic feel to me again

1:25:46as someone who well I didn't grow up in

1:25:50the Midwest I have parents from the

1:25:52Midwest and they're both eerie indiana

1:25:53very indiana and this really resonates

1:25:57with me i can't tell you enough how much

1:26:00this movie feels like I'm watching a

1:26:03family movie being shot trust an English

1:26:07man to amplify the class issues though

1:26:09because that's one of the might one of

1:26:11my favorite scenes in this movie is so

1:26:13when we're Paul Dooley's character talks

1:26:15about you know he takes great pride in

1:26:17having mind that Corey and having built

1:26:19at university but then once he built it

1:26:22it was made really evident to him that

1:26:23you're going to billys were to the

1:26:26buildings were too good for us yeah

1:26:27you're good so it but you're not going

1:26:28to I love that scene and I feel like

1:26:31that scene needed somebody who's outside

1:26:34of America and connection say yeah there

1:26:36is a class

1:26:37him in the US and here it is because I

1:26:38don't know if I don't know if an

1:26:40American could have approached it with

1:26:41the same clarity and vigor that he did

1:26:44well eighties movies love doing that to

1:26:46the rich kids versus the poor kid so it

1:26:47was a lot of movies in the 80s

1:26:49especially young people movies were

1:26:51about class and about you know the

1:26:53preppies versus the you know the Slavs

1:26:56versus the snobs uh-huh and it most of

1:26:59those movies we're trying to make you

1:27:00reckon you know identify with the

1:27:02disaffected people because they were the

1:27:03majority you weren't really uh

1:27:04identifying with the preppies unless

1:27:06except for I guess class no one was the

1:27:09opposite but yes we makes movies it's

1:27:12not preppies it's feel nerds yeah yeah

1:27:14thus movie hits me very much in the same

1:27:16place as its contemporary the bad news

1:27:19bears hits me in terms of the way it's

1:27:21filmed and the way it is very true to a

1:27:25certain part of the country in the 1970s

1:27:28yeah the the the good those guys with

1:27:32blue jeans and no shirts swimming around

1:27:34in a quarry is that could not be more

1:27:3770s yeah it's fantastic I mean it really

1:27:40puts you in the place and it does it in

1:27:43an interestingly different more

1:27:45Midwestern way and obviously bad news

1:27:47bears is a Southern California and it

1:27:49feels very different in that respect but

1:27:51it also it just feels very very real and

1:27:53gritty in a way yeah this has the 70s in

1:27:56it like with the with the water racing

1:27:58again could could be in any 80s movies

1:28:00you know what wouldn't be in the 80

1:28:01movies him hitting his head and coming

1:28:03back bloodied and playing that not for

1:28:06laughs but for a serious moment so his

1:28:08friends can jump in and save him yeah

1:28:09that's 70's movie really makes him fail

1:28:12comically and may it turns out into a

1:28:14joke and you know what when I was a kid

1:28:16watching this is another one of these

1:28:17movies that I remember watching and

1:28:19realizing there was something different

1:28:21or special about this movie as compared

1:28:23to the other movies that I was used to

1:28:24seeing not because it was like a rated r

1:28:26movie that I shouldn't have been

1:28:27watching or something but because it

1:28:29took itself seriously and was willing to

1:28:31show what I thought as a kid where these

1:28:33you know deeper truth about life that

1:28:35other movies that adults won't show you

1:28:37like the people behaving badly or

1:28:40feeling badly and doing things that are

1:28:43not a durable and making mistakes and

1:28:45failure and they're being consequences

1:28:47mixed in with all the rest of the

1:28:49schlock

1:28:49you know that would come to be standard

1:28:51in eighties movies but that that really

1:28:53spoke to me as a kid that like I took

1:28:55this movie much more seriously than all

1:28:56the movies despite all the fun things

1:28:58that were there to entertain me that it

1:29:00took its character seriously and that

1:29:02there was actual real emotion in it and

1:29:04you know of course I'm identifying with

1:29:05the disaffected kids and hanging out

1:29:07with each other and feeling like losers

1:29:08even though you know I felt like it even

1:29:11though I knew I was going to go to

1:29:12college somehow i watch this movie and

1:29:14identify with the people who are never

1:29:15going to go to college and till the end

1:29:17and maybe it's that sensibility or maybe

1:29:19it's just the sort of gritty seventies

1:29:21ish pneus of it but I kept expecting

1:29:23some sort of tragic event to occur yeah

1:29:26like yeah yeah kind much kind of had a

1:29:28target on his back for a lot yeah yeah

1:29:30Dennis Quaid disappears into the fridge

1:29:33I'm like oh my God he's gonna drown is

1:29:35really early in the movie and then a

1:29:36little bit later uh you know he's he's

1:29:38chasing after the truck and I'm like

1:29:40he's gonna run right to the back of that

1:29:41truck is an eighties montage sequence

1:29:45there Paul Dooley gets up on top and

1:29:47starts driving a wedge into a big block

1:29:49of rock I'm like he's gonna have that

1:29:50heart attack right there he's gonna die

1:29:51and he did a couple scenes later and it

1:29:55but I mean it was kind of like a minor

1:29:56thing he had that heart attack refund

1:29:58but it just there was sort of that sort

1:30:00of sense that something there's there's

1:30:02gonna be a tragic moment here having

1:30:04never seen it before I didn't know if it

1:30:05was gonna be light or if there was at

1:30:07some point gonna be a real low low yeah

1:30:09so comparing this to American Graffiti

1:30:10after watching both of them I felt like

1:30:12American Graffiti wants to tell you that

1:30:14all this is going away and breaking away

1:30:16once it wants to tell you that good

1:30:19things can still happen to you in your

1:30:20future like that's what it's not like

1:30:22that the jack girl hey we'll get married

1:30:24and you feel like you will have a life

1:30:25as an adult and we'll leave all this

1:30:27behind that the day will go to college

1:30:28like that the this movie I mean I don't

1:30:31know if it's like lying to you and wants

1:30:32to leave it's not as bad as you think it

1:30:34is actually things will work out in the

1:30:35end that that you will you will have

1:30:39victories again that you will regain

1:30:41your sense of self-worth and good things

1:30:43will happen to you and american graffiti

1:30:44is like that won't happen Mike's cop

1:30:47brother who will occasionally like hug

1:30:49bike right like that that in the end

1:30:51they were all they were friends who care

1:30:53for each other and they had families who

1:30:55cared like it was not everything is not

1:30:57as bad as you think it is you're a bunch

1:30:58of whiney white kids in the Midwest and

1:31:00it seems bad and you feels like you're

1:31:03being

1:31:03you know under the thumb of these

1:31:05college kids but in the end you have it

1:31:06pretty good yeah just because you're

1:31:08stuck in this town doesn't mean you're

1:31:10necessarily lesser than that writer that

1:31:11moved to Canada yeah just because you're

1:31:14stuck doesn't mean you're stuck I mean

1:31:16that's what I love about the ending of

1:31:17it is that Paul Dooley's on a bicycle

1:31:18yeah yeah and he has that kicky sign in

1:31:21front of his used car dealership and the

1:31:23fact that you see him I'm the bicycle i

1:31:25think it's just huge you know and i love

1:31:28that it showed i love that it shows that

1:31:30evolution of his character and I feel

1:31:32like that's actually the biggest piece

1:31:33of hope there is that it's never too

1:31:35late to to try something new and become

1:31:38a person you didn't expect to be yeah

1:31:40and Paul Dooley is younger than all of

1:31:42us in this movie isn't he like it's

1:31:43nothing watching at him i'm looking at

1:31:44his hair is like his hair is all black

1:31:46how old is he made this movie I don't

1:31:48know but I feel like he's younger than

1:31:49me in this movie and I'm watching that

1:31:51doesn't feel good all I know he was 50

1:31:55he was he was in his early 50s all right

1:31:58yeah a little bit better than he's using

1:31:59hair do it yeah I so I I agree with what

1:32:03everybody is saying here I there is one

1:32:04thing I wanted to point out here so this

1:32:05this movie was nominated for four

1:32:09screenplay won the Academy Award for

1:32:11Best Screenplay um and you know

1:32:15sometimes the Academy Award is not the

1:32:19best thing and sometimes the best thing

1:32:21isn't that great but I'm going to say

1:32:22this I'm shocked that this movie won an

1:32:25award for the screenplay if only because

1:32:26I find essentially everything Dennis

1:32:29Quaid says into this movie to be

1:32:31painfully awful writing there is no the

1:32:36opposite of show not tell this movie

1:32:37tells you does not show it's too yeah I

1:32:39in fact John my note says Dennis Quaid

1:32:42speech at the stadium is the classic

1:32:44example of tell not show he literally

1:32:47just says everything he's feeling and

1:32:49everything that's going to happen and

1:32:51what his internal conflict is and that's

1:32:53not the only scene in which especially

1:32:54the Dennis Quaid character says oh I'm a

1:32:57symbol of somebody who peaked in high

1:32:59school and now doesn't know what to do

1:33:00I'm never gonna be the quarterback

1:33:02anymore it's like oh my god it is so bad

1:33:05I mean so I think it one for writing

1:33:06because like it is telling it is telling

1:33:08truths right but it's having characters

1:33:10actually say them and when I watch this

1:33:11as a kid show the show don't tell thing

1:33:14was not a glimmer

1:33:15you know in the corner of my eye I had

1:33:17no idea about that whole concept so it

1:33:19was delivering to me directly in a way

1:33:21that I couldn't picked up it was more

1:33:22subtle and watching it again as an adult

1:33:24having seen it a million times as a kid

1:33:26I'm like oh this movie doesn't

1:33:28understand show not tell I'm willing to

1:33:30forgive it though because it's such a

1:33:31beloved movie from my childhood but yeah

1:33:33that's one what once you get past Dennis

1:33:35quite Quaid's abs which are again

1:33:39spectacular edit shredded like lettuce

1:33:41oh just still not passed them he is the

1:33:44weakest character I think of all the

1:33:47ones he's an idea more than a character

1:33:49on his acting scenes where he's not

1:33:51speaking the expressions on his face and

1:33:54the few outbursts that he does have that

1:33:56aren't you know George Lucas on the nose

1:33:58the style dialog I think he he does I

1:34:03mean there's a reason he went on to

1:34:04further stardom in this movie I think he

1:34:06does a good job of it but if you got to

1:34:08read the lines you gotta read the lines

1:34:09and he's a he's a mood he's a movie

1:34:10stern on the nectar but the the the the

1:34:14the other four movies up for Best

1:34:16Original Screenplay that year were and

1:34:18justice for all all that jazz the China

1:34:20Syndrome and Manhattan and you know yeah

1:34:25so you know maybe not the strongest i

1:34:28like this movie better than any of those

1:34:29movies as yeah maybe the best of those

1:34:32and it may not have been as strong year

1:34:34for screenplays i just i had that moment

1:34:35where I kind of was like wait a second

1:34:36this one for the screenplay because the

1:34:38Quaid dialogue is just awful it is in

1:34:40fact if I if you wipe my memory of this

1:34:42movie in American Graffiti and then you

1:34:45you play them both for me and said which

1:34:46one was written by George Lucas I would

1:34:48say this one because this dialogue is

1:34:51prequel level dialogue from dennis quaid

1:34:54it is just there's nothing there no I i

1:34:56think the the expressions are

1:34:58sophisticated and well put together the

1:35:01fact is he's saying them out loud is the

1:35:02process like said that thats exactly

1:35:04this would have simplistic ideas

1:35:07expressed that loud at least this i feel

1:35:09like this he's saying the subtext oh

1:35:10yeah the subtext is is good he's one

1:35:13he's one of four characters that all

1:35:15have that all have plot lines it's it's

1:35:17true actually five if you count the dead

1:35:18so I mean you got to put some

1:35:20short-handed I wish Quaid yeah I wish

1:35:22Dennis Quaid had been given more to do

1:35:23to show us his feelings about this

1:35:27matter but instead he like literally

1:35:28goes

1:35:28to the stadium and points down and says

1:35:30I will never be that quarterback what

1:35:32got it got it oh yeah like they can fit

1:35:34that in there he can't have one line

1:35:35about them stay in this is simple man

1:35:37he's gonna have like four madam school

1:35:39the worst is when he talks about the

1:35:40unlit cigarettes like just haven't do

1:35:43that for the whole movie and we'll

1:35:44figure it out instead it's like I even I

1:35:46can't bring myself to live cigarette

1:35:47because I think I'm gonna have to go

1:35:48back into training like that's a perfect

1:35:50thing for you to write in the margins of

1:35:51your script while you're riding it was

1:35:53just look inside we can add the

1:35:54characters say it yeah his best moments

1:35:56by far are like the scene where he's at

1:35:58the quarry and the college kids show up

1:36:00and he just looks at him yeah right yeah

1:36:02he's very good at that Quaid is not the

1:36:04problem right it's the lines that he's

1:36:06given that I think are the problem in a

1:36:07movie that I like but that's just that

1:36:09for me that was the false note

1:36:10especially I think the second half of

1:36:12this film is way stronger than the first

1:36:14half because I don't like the early

1:36:15scenes with the dad and I don't like

1:36:16those speeches from dennis quaid and

1:36:19then I think it gets a lot better later

1:36:20I don't know what what that means but

1:36:22that's that's right now I think you can

1:36:23let Dennis Quaid do it like the line i

1:36:25quoted in the slacker layers like when

1:36:27he's angry you can have him snap like

1:36:29you're not the quarterback here Mike

1:36:30well at least I was once you get that

1:36:32one outbursts what you get at least I

1:36:33was once you get one outbursts you don't

1:36:35get him sight and for the rest of the

1:36:37movie I will continue to speak the

1:36:38subtext of my plot of the four friends

1:36:41though the one that really i think does

1:36:43the has the best thing going for him is

1:36:46the the the daniel stern character

1:36:49because um uh he he has a few lines

1:36:54where it's okay yeah you're you're

1:36:56you're showing not telling but what I

1:36:58really love about him is in the bike

1:37:00race um you know gross gross Jackie

1:37:04Earle Haley has his wife to hug and he's

1:37:07just looking around Dennis Christopher

1:37:09gets to hug his parents and um uh Dennis

1:37:12Quaid gets dug his brother the cop right

1:37:14to Daniel Stern has a smoke where he's

1:37:18looking around for someone to hug and

1:37:19gets no one enjoys yeah so heartbreaking

1:37:23that CIA sir really heartbreaking but

1:37:25they allude to it earlier when they say

1:37:27well Cyril's dad remember one when

1:37:29Dave's dad talks about well so you're

1:37:30like he is you know yeah he's the one

1:37:33obviously as an East Coast neurotic you

1:37:36identify with the most because he was

1:37:38the most like inside his own head and

1:37:40seemingly doesn't fit in anywhere and

1:37:42never will and probably will be the

1:37:44loser of this group forever well he

1:37:46picked up that guitar quick though see

1:37:47him just drift in the wind like he's

1:37:49trying to be happy he's but like there's

1:37:51nothing yeah well this is the reason I

1:37:53like Dave's dead as he seems to sense

1:37:54that a lot of Dave's friends need to be

1:37:57parented I mean there's a reason why

1:37:59mooch is at that table a lot and I get

1:38:02the sense that Dave's dad probably also

1:38:04is it is a gruff ear for cereal every

1:38:07once in a while too because cereals dad

1:38:08is well established as a jerk store and

1:38:10Tom yeah you don't get the sense that

1:38:12that Dave's friends are very well

1:38:14parented at all and that his his parents

1:38:15are the only ones who are involved in

1:38:17that all of his friends like that and

1:38:18kind of need that on some level as well

1:38:19well moochers dad took off to Chicago

1:38:21and left him in the house yeah expecting

1:38:24him to sell its own oh yeah the house

1:38:25that's for sale you got the first sale

1:38:26so so we've been I mean then what we

1:38:28does does have bits it's not like they

1:38:30all the subtext is on the screen of the

1:38:32dialogue well some of the news but yeah

1:38:33the rest of the movie is is pretty

1:38:35strong it's just that like idea of that

1:38:37you have to have shorthand because

1:38:38you've got a lot of characters you gotta

1:38:39fit all and that's the art of screen

1:38:40right you gotta find a way to get the

1:38:43five because i think this does a really

1:38:44good job of weaving together the arcs

1:38:46and having a bunch of good scenes like a

1:38:48bunch of good ideas for cinema like when

1:38:50he's driving his beat-up automobile

1:38:52backwards next to the mercedes you know

1:38:54and there are sort of hot rodding around

1:38:55trying to chase after the college kids

1:38:57and everything lots of good things that

1:38:59work as movies is just that you know a

1:39:01few dialogue scenes they feel like you

1:39:04have to give these seven ideas in and we

1:39:05need to get in and out in this amount of

1:39:07time and it was like all right well I'm

1:39:09just gonna say it I'm just gonna say

1:39:10what's mostly going on I throw up my

1:39:11hands at this boy yeah but again as a

1:39:13kid um this never occurred to make

1:39:15watching this movie the many many many

1:39:17times it never occurred to me that they

1:39:18were saying is out like is it because

1:39:19that because that's what I needed to you

1:39:21know as a kid you're not going to pick

1:39:22up on this stuff if they don't like

1:39:23literally come out and tell you in the

1:39:25same way that you read you know books

1:39:26when you're in middle school in the

1:39:27English teacher has to explain to you

1:39:28this is what this means because if the

1:39:30English teacher doesn't explain it to

1:39:31you you will have a dim vague distant

1:39:33awareness of it but not really ever put

1:39:35two and two together and this would we

1:39:36just comes out and says it yes I feel

1:39:39time to thank you movie for saying that

1:39:40I do want to call out as it as a

1:39:42plus the the scene where he's racing

1:39:44with the Italians and they Jam a rod

1:39:47through his back his back wheel sending

1:39:50him into the dirt I actually had a hard

1:39:52time watching it the second time because

1:39:54it is so heartbreaking I don't watch his

1:39:56dreams just Schatz right what that's why

1:39:59when you're a kid you're like yes yes

1:40:01life life is terrible never meet your

1:40:04idols is the lesson although i will say

1:40:06that when the guy messes with his

1:40:08shifters the look of sheer outrage on

1:40:10his face is absolutely hysterical i

1:40:12laughed and laughed but then he's in

1:40:14he's in the gutter and that's it he's

1:40:16done that posters are coming down yeah

1:40:18that he has that that that chilling line

1:40:22where he just lays out everybody cheats

1:40:24I just didn't know yeah that's it his

1:40:27life so this is unfair the professional

1:40:29bike riders would never do that of any

1:40:31nationality let's say I gotta say though

1:40:34you have to say that chin zono is a

1:40:36apparently really really good sports or

1:40:39they apparently just never saw this film

1:40:41because they are thanked in the credits

1:40:43while they are thanked in the credits

1:40:44there's the truck is a chin zano truck

1:40:46it is like product placement before

1:40:49there was product placement yes fortunes

1:40:52but then the point of the the Italian

1:40:55racers from shin zato is uh they're

1:40:57jerks Peters yep also phil when you

1:41:02mentioned peter yates you you didn't

1:41:04mention the most interesting thing about

1:41:05him which is that in 1983 he he two of

1:41:09his movies that he directed were

1:41:11released one of them multiple award

1:41:14nominee and winner the dresser the

1:41:17dresser yeah other eight movie crow and

1:41:22i just am fascinated that the same man

1:41:23made both crow and the dresser and also

1:41:26that the man who made crawl also made

1:41:28bullet and breaking away and the dresser

1:41:30yes I don't know how that is possible

1:41:32but it is well this is sort of similar

1:41:34to the John Boorman trajectory I think

1:41:37there's a deeper story there that we

1:41:38need to explore well they can't all be

1:41:42gems nothing can all be jealous can't

1:41:44amazing though just got released two

1:41:47movies this year period says one is the

1:41:50dresser I've heard of it yes well many

1:41:52Academy Award nominations for the

1:41:54dresser yes oh I liked it what was your

1:41:55other

1:41:56movie theater crow oh that thing with

1:41:58ken what's his name in the glades a

1:42:00glaive sure breaking a glaive anyway um

1:42:03I like breaking away i like i like i

1:42:06enjoy both these movies I like Steve I'm

1:42:08not sure I would say like I would rush

1:42:10back to watch either of them but in in a

1:42:13certain mood I think I could enjoy

1:42:15either of them as this you know nice

1:42:18kind of nostalgia trip of the

1:42:21coming-of-age stories are nice the

1:42:23ensembles are interesting I like that

1:42:25these are mostly both featuring actors

1:42:28who would go on to do other things and

1:42:30are recognizable and so young that is a

1:42:32big that is a big win too so that

1:42:35they're both charming in their own way

1:42:36you get pj soles in this one stirring

1:42:38stuff up as usual another 70s 80s movies

1:42:41mainstay Halloween's PJ stalls Breaking

1:42:45Away also ahead of a time ends on a

1:42:46freeze frame oh and it's such a freeze

1:42:48frame it is it's right because he turns

1:42:50back when he is a son singing in French

1:42:51yes speaking French now what Oh babies

1:42:55for men and then the Indiana fight song

1:42:57which went on to become another trope

1:42:59you know every movie in 1981-82 ended

1:43:02with the India yeah that's right uh

1:43:04anything we have not covered about these

1:43:07films that now we look we got it all

1:43:10right well I'm going to close up the old

1:43:13Movie Club then and thank our guests

1:43:15Lisa Schmeisser thank you for being here

1:43:17free grub thank you it's a pleasure to

1:43:19be invited John siracusa thank you I

1:43:21can't believe that I had to be on here

1:43:23with all you old people but I'll get

1:43:24over it yeah Oh movies Steve let's thank

1:43:28you stop the hell you doing those are my

1:43:30french fries hey no more Eenie in this

1:43:32house and of course Phillip Michaels who

1:43:36chooses the movies thanks these are

1:43:37enjoyed watching these movies Phil

1:43:39thanks for choosing them so I've been

1:43:40tried to do

1:43:43you can write these lines George but you

1:43:46can't say them and I've been your host

1:43:47Jason snow we will see you next week on

1:43:49the incomparable thanks for listening

1:43:50bye everybody

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