Roderick on the Line

Ep. 243: "Hoeing My Till"


00:00:01   [Music] [TS]

00:00:05   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:08   hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:11   good it's been a long time it's been a [TS]

00:00:13   long time you sound good [TS]

00:00:14   oh hey that's nice thank you you sound [TS]

00:00:16   good too thank you [TS]

00:00:18   do I sound like I have a new power [TS]

00:00:20   supply on my computer I can feel the [TS]

00:00:23   clean power 300 watts yeah huh mm-hmm [TS]

00:00:28   I can feel it it's like a like an SVT [TS]

00:00:30   just putting that clean thump thump [TS]

00:00:34   loved so does that that's a power supply [TS]

00:00:38   inside the computer or do you talk about [TS]

00:00:40   the outboards like a power brick no it's [TS]

00:00:43   uh it's a classic I had classic symptoms [TS]

00:00:46   of a classic problem it was classic oh [TS]

00:00:48   not hard to fix oh that's classic but [TS]

00:00:51   it's you know it is a I mentioned this [TS]

00:00:53   in some other places but this is worth [TS]

00:00:54   mentioning because I think this is the [TS]

00:00:55   kind of thing that probably well I feel [TS]

00:00:57   like I know drives you crazy [TS]

00:00:58   it's here's how this evidences to [TS]

00:01:02   Tuesday nights ago I'm just doing my [TS]

00:01:05   thing on my computer and I don't do as [TS]

00:01:08   you do and it goes away as the beer goes [TS]

00:01:11   away well as though basically some [TS]

00:01:14   import sprite had just disconnected to [TS]

00:01:18   power like pulled the movement out of [TS]

00:01:20   the outlet it goes away from I think oh [TS]

00:01:22   oh that's not optimal so I'm going back [TS]

00:01:27   I bring it back up I think you know [TS]

00:01:29   probably one-time thing I will go [TS]

00:01:30   through this whole thing but it's yeah [TS]

00:01:31   it's one of those kinds of problems [TS]

00:01:33   that's difficult it's difficult to [TS]

00:01:35   reproduce because the nature of the [TS]

00:01:37   problem the evidence is itself in fairly [TS]

00:01:40   random things so then step two of that [TS]

00:01:42   is I start doing the troubleshooting [TS]

00:01:44   which is you know it involves a lot of [TS]

00:01:46   like incantations and chicken bones and [TS]

00:01:48   then you just wait but there's something [TS]

00:01:51   a peculiar kind of purgatory to being [TS]

00:01:54   nearly certain that the tool that you're [TS]

00:01:58   using is going to break at any second [TS]

00:02:01   you have a very different view of how [TS]

00:02:02   you use that device when you know that [TS]

00:02:06   it could go any second oh yeah it's a [TS]

00:02:08   strip but I mean you've had this part [TS]

00:02:09   like you wonder if that is the power [TS]

00:02:10   going to go out because my phone battery [TS]

00:02:12   going to die [TS]

00:02:13   but in this case it's even worse because [TS]

00:02:14   I'm like okay well I no need to leave [TS]

00:02:16   this running and test this thing but I [TS]

00:02:18   you know I want to do stuff still I'm in [TS]

00:02:22   the early stages of grieving where I [TS]

00:02:24   like I haven't like got my mind right [TS]

00:02:26   you know yeah you haven't gotten your [TS]

00:02:28   mind right [TS]

00:02:29   that's terrible feeling and so I'm just [TS]

00:02:30   sitting there way and then it goes but [TS]

00:02:32   then I go okay [TS]

00:02:33   gotta get fresh set of chicken bones I [TS]

00:02:39   have a used type of delay pedal that [TS]

00:02:45   would just sometimes go into demo mode [TS]

00:02:54   [Music] [TS]

00:02:55   huh like like you're over at the store [TS]

00:02:58   and you want to show off what the thing [TS]

00:02:59   can do yeah yeah the the the the mode [TS]

00:03:04   that I'm not even sure why it's built [TS]

00:03:05   into the thing you should just if you're [TS]

00:03:07   a company like that you should just [TS]

00:03:08   build one that's a demo and give it to [TS]

00:03:09   Guitar Center and it can sit and demo [TS]

00:03:11   but all of them had built into it this [TS]

00:03:14   like sort of cycle through everything it [TS]

00:03:17   does so that I guess you could sit a [TS]

00:03:20   guitar Center and just turn on this [TS]

00:03:22   feature and and these are strum yeah and [TS]

00:03:27   then hit here it goes through it saying [TS]

00:03:28   but it would go into it just sort of [TS]

00:03:32   randomly and it happened one night we [TS]

00:03:35   were playing with the Decembrists in [TS]

00:03:36   Boston and it was right when the [TS]

00:03:41   Decembrists were getting big and it was [TS]

00:03:45   kind of right when the long winters were [TS]

00:03:47   getting big and it was a it was a big [TS]

00:03:49   show and it was one of those shows that [TS]

00:03:50   hadn't expected to sell like buzz had [TS]

00:03:53   accumulated while you yeah yeah yeah we [TS]

00:03:56   were out you know the early shows on [TS]

00:03:57   that tour were not very well attended [TS]

00:03:59   and by the middle of the tour the shows [TS]

00:04:01   were sold out and by the end of the tour [TS]

00:04:02   the shows were getting moved to a bigger [TS]

00:04:04   venue kind of what you always hope for [TS]

00:04:06   and so it's Boston and there's you know [TS]

00:04:10   that it's oversold right there kids kind [TS]

00:04:12   of hanging on the walls and halfway [TS]

00:04:16   through our set my delay pedal goes into [TS]

00:04:19   demo mode oh my god and when it went [TS]

00:04:22   into demo mode the normal way that you [TS]

00:04:26   turned it [TS]

00:04:27   no longer worked you couldn't just like [TS]

00:04:31   the delay pedals on click the switch it [TS]

00:04:33   goes off but when it's in demo mode no [TS]

00:04:35   there is no switch to click off because [TS]

00:04:37   it's cycling through every and so it [TS]

00:04:39   just has to do its thing it just has to [TS]

00:04:41   run its course oh my god and so I said [TS]

00:04:44   there through an entire song and just [TS]

00:04:46   you know and it's a it's a delay pedal [TS]

00:04:49   right so it's like here's what it can do [TS]

00:04:56   Wow Wow wait while you're trying to play [TS]

00:05:00   rock and roll power chords yeah I [TS]

00:05:02   planned you know stupid or whatever and [TS]

00:05:05   uh and it was really it was really fun [TS]

00:05:10   it was fun for me that was back at a [TS]

00:05:12   time when I had a real sense of humor [TS]

00:05:14   about things you so I could use it you [TS]

00:05:17   guess and it ah really I was just [TS]

00:05:21   sitting there thinking to myself if I [TS]

00:05:23   could be on the shop floor of line 6 [TS]

00:05:28   right now mmm it grabbed the foreman I'm [TS]

00:05:32   just like ghost of Christmas past this [TS]

00:05:34   used to be equipment that you could save [TS]

00:05:37   your life you'd be hanging from a thread [TS]

00:05:39   yeah yeah that's right yeah you need [TS]

00:05:42   those things to be tough I've had a lot [TS]

00:05:43   of pedals over the years well first of [TS]

00:05:45   all there's just always the thing of [TS]

00:05:46   like it's at least back in my time this [TS]

00:05:49   might have changed it was always [TS]

00:05:50   difficult to know without tasting your [TS]

00:05:52   9-volt like exactly how much juice you [TS]

00:05:54   had left yeah okay flat my bolt yeah [TS]

00:05:56   right all right up here um but like you [TS]

00:05:59   know if you were in the middle of some [TS]

00:06:02   ragin solo and suddenly the signal gets [TS]

00:06:03   real quiet and then just goes away or [TS]

00:06:05   something like that [TS]

00:06:06   that's that would be the worst also I [TS]

00:06:08   had a lot I think you know you notice [TS]

00:06:10   with stomp boxes you get them and you [TS]

00:06:12   just use them forever and they get [TS]

00:06:13   treated terribly and clumped around [TS]

00:06:15   there are a couple that had ace I [TS]

00:06:18   remember in particular it was my wasn't [TS]

00:06:21   an Ibanez it was the boss distortion + [TS]

00:06:23   feedback pedal that orange pedal that I [TS]

00:06:26   use it for lots that is a pretty shitty [TS]

00:06:28   sound but I got a bad pedal but it's but [TS]

00:06:31   it was fun to see like what it would [TS]

00:06:32   come up with what feedback to make given [TS]

00:06:34   what you were doing it would be so [TS]

00:06:36   random and weird but uh that [TS]

00:06:38   had a loose a quarter-inch I want to say [TS]

00:06:42   on the input jack and sometimes you just [TS]

00:06:45   revert to a clean signal we just like go [TS]

00:06:49   up I need to reset myself now your cat [TS]

00:06:51   Stevens [TS]

00:06:52   ah you know it's frustrating when you [TS]

00:06:58   can't depend on things it is well in [TS]

00:07:02   fact right now I'm trying to send some [TS]

00:07:05   I'm trying to send some texts from my [TS]

00:07:08   laptop to people I'm trying to say look [TS]

00:07:11   I can't make it to lunch today yeah and [TS]

00:07:14   uh the machine has decided that I can no [TS]

00:07:20   longer send text because my password has [TS]

00:07:23   changed and my password has changed [TS]

00:07:27   because sometimes we some time recently [TS]

00:07:30   it forced me to change my password [TS]

00:07:33   because of something you know there was [TS]

00:07:35   some reason that it needed something [TS]

00:07:37   different they did something to be [TS]

00:07:38   different all right because I I plugged [TS]

00:07:41   in my my iPad which I hadn't used in a [TS]

00:07:45   while because I wanted to start using it [TS]

00:07:47   as a drum machine I thought that was a [TS]

00:07:48   good idea so I plugged my iPad in it [TS]

00:07:51   told me that it needed to have a new [TS]

00:07:53   operating system I tried to ignore it it [TS]

00:07:58   said that didn't want me to try tonight [TS]

00:08:01   did I want that's right did I want to [TS]

00:08:04   sync my iTunes with it I said no it said [TS]

00:08:07   or that then it said you know all this [TS]

00:08:09   stuff and I finally surrendered it was [TS]

00:08:12   like alright okay fine I'll fine like [TS]

00:08:15   I've sworn I will never do this but this [TS]

00:08:18   time will be different won't it Apple [TS]

00:08:21   this time will be different this time [TS]

00:08:23   you'll do it'll be logical it'll be [TS]

00:08:25   natural you won't you won't ask me to [TS]

00:08:28   upgrade a thing if that upgrade will [TS]

00:08:30   brick the thing you would know [TS]

00:08:32   internally you would know that it [TS]

00:08:34   couldn't handle it and you wouldn't ask [TS]

00:08:36   so I'm going to trust you and so I went [TS]

00:08:40   on and it gave me some cryptic message [TS]

00:08:42   like there can only be one iTunes [TS]

00:08:43   account would you like them would you [TS]

00:08:46   like this to be that or [TS]

00:08:48   [Music] [TS]

00:08:49   they know I know I don't hit the wrong [TS]

00:08:51   thing because the the consequences are [TS]

00:08:55   unknown and so that consequences are [TS]

00:08:58   unknown that's precisely right it's not [TS]

00:09:00   that you know them because the languages [TS]

00:09:02   there's it's a huge deal I mean there's [TS]

00:09:05   one you probably got in the last couple [TS]

00:09:06   years which was something along the [TS]

00:09:07   lines of f you updated iOS it said [TS]

00:09:10   something like do you want to switch [TS]

00:09:11   over to cloud drive or something like [TS]

00:09:13   that and you go you'd normally personal [TS]

00:09:16   of course I want to switch over to cloud [TS]

00:09:18   drive or whatever the F it's called but [TS]

00:09:20   like this if what it didn't tell you was [TS]

00:09:22   that that was an iOS only feature it was [TS]

00:09:25   not available on your Mac and the way [TS]

00:09:27   that your all your cloud stuff work [TS]

00:09:29   would change fundamentally you might not [TS]

00:09:31   be able to get to some of it until the [TS]

00:09:33   operating system on your computer was [TS]

00:09:34   updated but that's the but that's you [TS]

00:09:37   know what that doesn't fit in a pop up [TS]

00:09:38   message well and so what happened was I [TS]

00:09:41   put this thing on which had uh you know [TS]

00:09:48   eight hundred songs on it and it spent [TS]

00:09:53   an hour but churning yeah I thought I [TS]

00:09:58   was like I was like huh that's [TS]

00:10:00   interesting [TS]

00:10:00   and then when it came back up all my [TS]

00:10:03   music was gone because it had synced to [TS]

00:10:07   an iTunes - it synced to the iTunes on [TS]

00:10:09   my computer that had come with a free [TS]

00:10:10   michael franti CD and that u2 album yeah [TS]

00:10:14   tell me so oh no this is bad all that's [TS]

00:10:18   on my iPad now is nothing and put a new [TS]

00:10:22   iOS on there that that has now turned it [TS]

00:10:25   into a thing where if you touch [TS]

00:10:26   something on the screen it thinks about [TS]

00:10:28   it for a while it goes and makes a pot [TS]

00:10:30   of coffee and it comes back and it [TS]

00:10:31   decides whether or not it's going to [TS]

00:10:33   follow through you're currently [TS]

00:10:35   evaluating your requests [TS]

00:10:36   yeah and half of the apps crash the [TS]

00:10:39   thing now I mean it was like the thing [TS]

00:10:41   was better the iPad was more useful when [TS]

00:10:44   I was using it as a hot like a like a [TS]

00:10:47   trivet yeah sure he put a put a pan on [TS]

00:10:49   there yeah than it is now that don't [TS]

00:10:52   have any OS it just makes me want to [TS]

00:10:57   kill but you know I will help you sell [TS]

00:11:00   troubleshooting that [TS]

00:11:02   might be useful it seems like it's it [TS]

00:11:05   seems like it's done right the music's [TS]

00:11:06   gone [TS]

00:11:07   what is the troubleshooting like the [TS]

00:11:09   music they just they evaporated it well [TS]

00:11:12   right not still that stuff I want to [TS]

00:11:15   save for after we're done recording but [TS]

00:11:16   there's some good security hygiene you [TS]

00:11:19   should do it sure at your earliest [TS]

00:11:20   opportunity and that's one thing but uh [TS]

00:11:24   you know it depends it might be confused [TS]

00:11:26   about if you have more than one Apple ID [TS]

00:11:29   this is a very confusing matter this did [TS]

00:11:33   not used to be such a confusing matter [TS]

00:11:35   lots of people when they signed up for [TS]

00:11:37   Apple stuff at the time it required an [TS]

00:11:39   Apple ID got a new Apple ID that could [TS]

00:11:41   be me Mac iCloud it could be Gmail it [TS]

00:11:44   could be whatever you signed up with [TS]

00:11:45   it's very confusing and a lot of people [TS]

00:11:47   don't know that they have more than one [TS]

00:11:50   Apple ID where the username and the [TS]

00:11:53   password match and so if you enter in [TS]

00:11:54   the wrong one very confusing things [TS]

00:11:56   happen because you're basically asking [TS]

00:11:58   it for an entire different set of files [TS]

00:11:59   so was that stuff that you had synced [TS]

00:12:02   directly to the iPad with iTunes [TS]

00:12:07   previously like with a tethered [TS]

00:12:09   connection [TS]

00:12:11   this isn't here's the problem for many [TS]

00:12:14   many years I had that that desktop that [TS]

00:12:18   I've used over the years to record our [TS]

00:12:20   program and that was my main computer [TS]

00:12:22   and that's the thing that I synced my [TS]

00:12:24   phone to and that I synced my iPad to [TS]

00:12:27   yeah then I bought a laptop and when I [TS]

00:12:31   arrived with the laptop it we were past [TS]

00:12:36   the we were past the border into the [TS]

00:12:39   clewd mmm [TS]

00:12:41   and and so the new laptop was like hello [TS]

00:12:44   welcome to computing it says though [TS]

00:12:47   you've never heard of a computer before [TS]

00:12:48   so would you like me to it looks like [TS]

00:12:50   you're trying to compose a message would [TS]

00:12:53   you like to walk through how that the [TS]

00:12:55   miracle of in of the cloud man and I was [TS]

00:12:58   like yeah I just I got I believe me I've [TS]

00:13:00   used computer before thank you let me [TS]

00:13:02   just get to where I was you know and [TS]

00:13:05   they're like oh well you know you can [TS]

00:13:07   keep all your music in the cloud and I [TS]

00:13:10   was like I don't think I can I mean over [TS]

00:13:12   the years I've already had this problem [TS]

00:13:13   where they're like oh this you don't you [TS]

00:13:15   know this song [TS]

00:13:16   that you've been listening to for five [TS]

00:13:17   years now you don't have access to it [TS]

00:13:19   because at some point in 1999 somebody [TS]

00:13:23   gave this to you right and it was fine [TS]

00:13:26   for a long time but now it's not fine [TS]

00:13:28   anymore little groups of eco type [TS]

00:13:30   situation where it's really sounds great [TS]

00:13:32   until you get there and then you're like [TS]

00:13:33   oh shit this is not going to work at all [TS]

00:13:35   for what I'm going to accomplish [TS]

00:13:36   and when of course it does stuff like in [TS]

00:13:39   the last few years last two three years [TS]

00:13:40   it started doing stuff like where Apple [TS]

00:13:43   will for the first time ever incorrectly [TS]

00:13:45   guess what your music is and then the [TS]

00:13:47   metadata is like now this is associated [TS]

00:13:50   with some obscure Led Zeppelin live [TS]

00:13:51   album you like no that's not what this [TS]

00:13:53   is right and then you lose them [TS]

00:13:56   consequently you guys stuff because when [TS]

00:13:58   the metadata is wrong now there's a very [TS]

00:13:59   good chance things will just get lost [TS]

00:14:00   because it's not what it looks like it [TS]

00:14:02   looks like garbage now I have no idea [TS]

00:14:05   how to get the I mean because on my on [TS]

00:14:07   my desktop I have 50,000 songs or you [TS]

00:14:11   know I have like the all the music of [TS]

00:14:13   that I've had over the my whole computer [TS]

00:14:15   life I have no idea how to get those [TS]

00:14:17   into the cloud and I don't want to know [TS]

00:14:19   because every time I log on now the [TS]

00:14:21   cloud tells me that I don't have enough [TS]

00:14:22   storage so I know I don't have enough [TS]

00:14:24   storage for 50,000 songs because all I [TS]

00:14:26   have on there is like a copy of the book [TS]

00:14:29   that I'm writing and uh what like to I [TS]

00:14:35   don't know I didn't even know what I [TS]

00:14:37   have on there it's nothing to I have [TS]

00:14:39   they gave me like five megabytes of [TS]

00:14:41   space oh this is a yes that this is a [TS]

00:14:44   huge deal this is a even the nerds are [TS]

00:14:47   like this is the most unconscionable [TS]

00:14:49   hardware thing they had was still [TS]

00:14:51   selling 16 gig devices which is [TS]

00:14:53   ridiculous you can't even update the iOS [TS]

00:14:54   and the OS in most cases but yeah the [TS]

00:14:57   the parsimonious amounts of data it's [TS]

00:15:00   gotten better but it's still pretty [TS]

00:15:02   costly for what you get and will not [TS]

00:15:04   accommodate even basic stuff yeah all by [TS]

00:15:08   way of saying on my laptop I've just [TS]

00:15:11   said okay I don't need music on there I [TS]

00:15:13   don't know how to get it from my desktop [TS]

00:15:15   yeah and I just don't care but when I [TS]

00:15:19   synced my phone I finally was like well [TS]

00:15:22   I gotta sync my phone to my new computer [TS]

00:15:24   can't keep sinking it to this computer [TS]

00:15:26   from 2004 [TS]

00:15:28   well wiped all the music off my phone Oh [TS]

00:15:31   Jim because it's you know what I mean [TS]

00:15:32   because it's not on the new one it's not [TS]

00:15:35   on the new one yeah and I'm like and I [TS]

00:15:37   all I want is therefore to be able so [TS]

00:15:39   there to be a box that says would you [TS]

00:15:40   like the iTunes that's on your phone to [TS]

00:15:42   be the master or the one that's on the [TS]

00:15:43   computer to be the master right but it [TS]

00:15:45   doesn't allow for that and so all the [TS]

00:15:49   musics off my phone well then I had I [TS]

00:15:50   had it on my iPad which I was using to [TS]

00:15:52   control the Sonos until I just did this [TS]

00:15:56   thing I made this mistake again I forgot [TS]

00:15:58   to never upgrade I forgot to never never [TS]

00:16:01   trust their box always say cancel if [TS]

00:16:04   it's if you push cancel and it's like [TS]

00:16:05   Yelp if it says would you like to use [TS]

00:16:07   the app yes [TS]

00:16:10   or cancel and you cancel then you then [TS]

00:16:12   you go away you don't get to use it yep [TS]

00:16:14   you have to use the app if you're [TS]

00:16:16   looking at on your phone right and so [TS]

00:16:18   unless you unless you delete the app oh [TS]

00:16:20   I don't even know if I did I had do I [TS]

00:16:22   have the app probably that's the same [TS]

00:16:24   with you - if you get YouTube on your [TS]

00:16:25   phone it'll always use that and it's a [TS]

00:16:26   pretty crappy out so I never use Yelp [TS]

00:16:30   because apparently I downloaded the app [TS]

00:16:31   one time I never want to use the app if [TS]

00:16:33   they ask me I just want to look at the [TS]

00:16:35   thing because it's right there I can see [TS]

00:16:36   it I just want to click on and look at [TS]

00:16:38   it I don't want an extra step to go look [TS]

00:16:40   at their app so I'm like and watch it [TS]

00:16:42   boot up and presumably take me to iTunes [TS]

00:16:45   so I'm always like no I don't care I [TS]

00:16:47   don't want to use Yelp I do not want to [TS]

00:16:48   use it not only do I not want to use it [TS]

00:16:50   I want to say the word Yelp with a wit [TS]

00:16:52   like spit coming out of the corners of [TS]

00:16:55   my mouth every time I say it like oh is [TS]

00:16:56   it on Yelp yeah anyway so I cooked up my [TS]

00:17:01   iPad and then all my musics gone from [TS]

00:17:03   there so the only place any of that [TS]

00:17:05   stuff lives anymore is my desktop which [TS]

00:17:09   I'm terrified of disturbing I'm a [TS]

00:17:13   terrified of waking it up from its nap [TS]

00:17:15   anymore because it contains multitudes [TS]

00:17:18   and every other way every other way that [TS]

00:17:22   Apple has to force me to either buy all [TS]

00:17:25   that stuff again or go the rest of my [TS]

00:17:29   life only listening to Michael Franti [TS]

00:17:31   and spearhead Apple's trying to do it [TS]

00:17:34   and they're trying to do it by way of [TS]

00:17:36   these cryptic little pop-ups that it's [TS]

00:17:38   like would you like to make a decision [TS]

00:17:40   right now that's that [TS]

00:17:42   fully difficult mmm it feels that way [TS]

00:17:46   sometimes but you know there there is a [TS]

00:17:48   dirt huh this is not a particular [TS]

00:17:51   interesting topic no it's not but you [TS]

00:17:54   know it is there I want to say I hear [TS]

00:17:56   your frustration because there's all [TS]

00:17:57   kinds of stuff that's super frustrating [TS]

00:17:58   you know one of those things is it did [TS]

00:18:00   feel like for a pretty long time Apple [TS]

00:18:02   there are two things at least that Apple [TS]

00:18:05   got pretty well which was that things [TS]

00:18:06   always did seem to be kind of getting [TS]

00:18:07   better things did get more reliable um [TS]

00:18:11   and there was the things there were [TS]

00:18:13   improvements and you accepted one [TS]

00:18:15   accepted them gladly because they did [TS]

00:18:18   improve the devices the software the [TS]

00:18:20   surface whatever where but but the [TS]

00:18:22   second part is that it also kind of felt [TS]

00:18:24   like like you got used to Apple being a [TS]

00:18:27   good shepherd being a good guy being a [TS]

00:18:29   good Sherpa being a good good friend [TS]

00:18:32   like you know you could just hit that [TS]

00:18:33   Update button if you're about to get on [TS]

00:18:34   a plane and know that like yeah you know [TS]

00:18:36   spring a chance is not just gonna really [TS]

00:18:38   screw up and this is the most horrible [TS]

00:18:40   general kind of comment but I think in [TS]

00:18:42   both cases the feeling as a typical [TS]

00:18:46   garden-variety user is that neither of [TS]

00:18:47   those things is the case anymore and [TS]

00:18:49   then both trends are going the other way [TS]

00:18:50   if you you know if you do if you do run [TS]

00:18:54   some kind of an update especially on iOS [TS]

00:18:56   it is like we said it's very unclear [TS]

00:18:59   sometimes what's going to happen after [TS]

00:19:00   you do this and that's that makes people [TS]

00:19:03   resistant the last thing you want is to [TS]

00:19:04   have people resistant to operating [TS]

00:19:06   updating the operating system but you [TS]

00:19:09   know hand-in-hand with that is that [TS]

00:19:10   second part which is like now I'm scared [TS]

00:19:12   you use my desktop because I don't want [TS]

00:19:14   do anything that makes it eat all of my [TS]

00:19:15   mp3's because it has a different account [TS]

00:19:17   associated with it like what stuff is [TS]

00:19:19   mine that I get to keep forever you know [TS]

00:19:21   I don't think they're trying to make you [TS]

00:19:22   buy it again I just think sometimes [TS]

00:19:24   there are pretty tone-deaf about helping [TS]

00:19:27   guide people into whatever the new thing [TS]

00:19:28   is going to be and sometimes they're [TS]

00:19:30   reluctant to just admit you know what [TS]

00:19:31   that way we used to do it we're really [TS]

00:19:33   abandoning that but we're not telling [TS]

00:19:34   you that you keep running this like it's [TS]

00:19:36   a thing that's going to be there but [TS]

00:19:38   like unless you're in the you know the [TS]

00:19:40   Mac arathi and like following every [TS]

00:19:42   headline you're not going to know that [TS]

00:19:44   that thing's already very close to [TS]

00:19:45   end-of-life that basically wins the [TS]

00:19:47   stuff stops getting upgrades the stuff [TS]

00:19:50   stops you know what I mean that's not a [TS]

00:19:52   salutary sign and you would notice that [TS]

00:19:54   if it's [TS]

00:19:55   working properly until just one day it [TS]

00:19:57   doesn't and I don't think they're very [TS]

00:19:58   responsible sometimes about [TS]

00:19:59   communicating that with people [TS]

00:20:01   well it's interesting we've talked about [TS]

00:20:03   the tech world for for a long time for [TS]

00:20:06   the decades and decades we've been doing [TS]

00:20:07   this program absolutely is one of our [TS]

00:20:09   one of our first topics this technology [TS]

00:20:10   decades ago that's right that's right [TS]

00:20:12   about biology this is you know if you go [TS]

00:20:15   on to LinkedIn you'll see the technology [TS]

00:20:16   is one of my whatever core competencies [TS]

00:20:19   I think I endorsed you for that or [TS]

00:20:21   whatever yeah thumbs upses but uh but [TS]

00:20:25   you know the not very long ago you and I [TS]

00:20:28   had a brief conversation where I was [TS]

00:20:30   saying you know I used to love a tweet [TS]

00:20:35   bot and Tweetbot tweet ba was this great [TS]

00:20:38   program I used it a lot and then it just [TS]

00:20:41   started to be less and less functional [TS]

00:20:43   it was it couldn't do certain things it [TS]

00:20:46   wouldn't I wouldn't let me see embedded [TS]

00:20:49   content it just sort of started to fall [TS]

00:20:52   apart and I kept using it wondering what [TS]

00:20:55   was going on and it felt like there were [TS]

00:20:57   a few times over the years where lonely [TS]

00:20:59   sandwich would put up an app or some [TS]

00:21:02   friend of yours would put up an app and [TS]

00:21:03   I would get it and I would use it until [TS]

00:21:05   it stopped being functional and I would [TS]

00:21:08   ask you and they were like oh yeah they [TS]

00:21:09   stopped using that or well you know [TS]

00:21:11   there was that why you know they just [TS]

00:21:13   stopped updating it it was it turned [TS]

00:21:15   into it how it happens it happens [TS]

00:21:17   sometimes stuff just goes away but like [TS]

00:21:18   you wouldn't expect like if you had a [TS]

00:21:20   favorite like kitchen knife you wouldn't [TS]

00:21:22   expect it to just stop working one day [TS]

00:21:23   if it became double you would notice [TS]

00:21:25   that and then deal with that buy a new [TS]

00:21:26   it but there's no you don't get a pop up [TS]

00:21:28   on kitchen knives that like oh by the [TS]

00:21:30   way this is no longer supported right [TS]

00:21:32   and so I figured that was what was going [TS]

00:21:34   on with Tweetbot well so I got to a [TS]

00:21:36   point where it just it wasn't functional [TS]

00:21:38   anymore and I and I was I was sad but I [TS]

00:21:41   went over and started using them the [TS]

00:21:43   Twitter app which was awful people have [TS]

00:21:47   strong shows about Twitter clients it's [TS]

00:21:49   a very it's very personal relationship [TS]

00:21:51   yeah but I put this out there on the web [TS]

00:21:53   and and I got a ton of people saying [TS]

00:21:55   well why don't you use tweet bot and I [TS]

00:21:57   was like well I did I thought it was tea [TS]

00:21:59   away so I wrote you and said what the [TS]

00:22:01   WTF and you said oh you need to [TS]

00:22:04   companies and it seems like a simple [TS]

00:22:06   answer but it's actually the closer we [TS]

00:22:08   get to [TS]

00:22:09   what's actually happening it requires [TS]

00:22:11   like a whiteboard and a chalk talk to [TS]

00:22:13   explain why why your tweet bot is not [TS]

00:22:15   working yeah you're like oh you have to [TS]

00:22:17   go in and pay for the update that's the [TS]

00:22:21   way that people that make small apps [TS]

00:22:23   that aren't like massive that's how they [TS]

00:22:26   fund it you have to go buy stop that's [TS]

00:22:30   how they get paid is how I would put it [TS]

00:22:32   sorry yeah they're not it's not like [TS]

00:22:34   they're you know putting out a tin cup [TS]

00:22:36   like this is what these people do for a [TS]

00:22:37   living that's how the only way they can [TS]

00:22:38   make money is to sell and you sell you a [TS]

00:22:40   new version or have in-app purchases [TS]

00:22:43   yeah yes that is how you explained it to [TS]

00:22:45   me at the time however that was not [TS]

00:22:47   clear to me as a layperson because I'm [TS]

00:22:49   not reading Macworld or whatever and so [TS]

00:22:53   how was I to know that it there was [TS]

00:22:56   never in tweet bought a thing that [TS]

00:22:57   popped up and said by the upgrade [TS]

00:22:59   because we don't we need to get paid [TS]

00:23:00   because this is what we do for a living [TS]

00:23:01   or there was never bail on your phone [TS]

00:23:03   that said oh by the way the ecosystem [TS]

00:23:06   you think you're used to has quietly [TS]

00:23:07   changed in the last few years here's [TS]

00:23:09   some bullet points from Apple explaining [TS]

00:23:11   exactly how the 70% take versus 30% like [TS]

00:23:15   oh here's what all that means like no [TS]

00:23:16   it's it's all it's a black art to even [TS]

00:23:18   understand why things happen like wire [TS]

00:23:20   what how come all of a sudden almost [TS]

00:23:23   everything is free but I have to pay for [TS]

00:23:25   the good stuff well sit down have a [TS]

00:23:27   sandwich this is gonna take about [TS]

00:23:28   explain right and I was thrilled to buy [TS]

00:23:32   this $4.99 drum machine app for my iPad [TS]

00:23:37   because it was one of these moments [TS]

00:23:39   these you know I I've been down to the [TS]

00:23:41   music store a few times like which one [TS]

00:23:43   of these Roland 808 is the right vintage [TS]

00:23:47   drum machine for me and I'm talking to [TS]

00:23:51   the tech dudes like if I get this will I [TS]

00:23:54   in there and they're kind of all looking [TS]

00:23:56   at me like I don't know how that works [TS]

00:23:57   man I just do it all in the computer [TS]

00:23:59   right I'm like you don't know how this [TS]

00:24:01   classic drum machine works they're like [TS]

00:24:02   nah we just have that here for the Nerds [TS]

00:24:04   like you some like the Greybeards that [TS]

00:24:06   want to come in and fondle something [TS]

00:24:08   from their childhoods we don't know how [TS]

00:24:09   it works it's not a thing that we would [TS]

00:24:12   ever use look at me I'm to live crude [TS]

00:24:14   yeah because drop whatever is 808 beats [TS]

00:24:18   whatever this 808 does there's thing on [TS]

00:24:21   my phone that does it ten times better [TS]

00:24:22   so [TS]

00:24:23   like get with the times and so I was [TS]

00:24:25   like ugh [TS]

00:24:26   but I found this this cool drum machine [TS]

00:24:29   simple to use and it's on the iPad and [TS]

00:24:31   it cost six bucks or something and I was [TS]

00:24:32   like that's six bucks that I'm happy to [TS]

00:24:35   spend it happy better to spend than 1500 [TS]

00:24:37   bucks on a on you know MC blow fish's [TS]

00:24:41   fucking 808 stays so I get it and it but [TS]

00:24:47   but I have to like get my whole system [TS]

00:24:50   in line and now I'm fucked now I now I [TS]

00:24:52   paid $5.00 for the drum machine and it [TS]

00:24:55   has to think about every beat and I [TS]

00:24:57   don't know if you I don't know if you [TS]

00:24:59   can speak to this but I certainly can [TS]

00:25:01   you do not want to think about every [TS]

00:25:04   beat you want this to not you know what [TS]

00:25:06   that's good that one's going in that's [TS]

00:25:08   going in the e-book says get that I [TS]

00:25:10   don't want it right you don't want to [TS]

00:25:11   have to think about every beat you don't [TS]

00:25:13   know uh well I'm done thank you so much [TS]

00:25:17   for tuning in to tech world [TS]

00:25:19   I'm John Kirkland and this is another [TS]

00:25:23   episode of why computers are amazing hmm [TS]

00:25:29   it's it's fun to fun it's fun to sit in [TS]

00:25:34   the Apple Store and listen to all the [TS]

00:25:36   other conversations it's so I have a [TS]

00:25:39   little initiative I guess everybody does [TS]

00:25:41   this if there's a thing that you feel [TS]

00:25:43   like you're super interested or know a [TS]

00:25:44   lot about you kind of want to do these [TS]

00:25:46   blind questions of people like I have a [TS]

00:25:48   friend who works on the Star Wars movies [TS]

00:25:49   and somebody was mentioning his checkout [TS]

00:25:52   person was mentioning um wrote one and [TS]

00:25:56   he was without revealing that he had [TS]

00:25:58   worked on some of the shots was asking [TS]

00:26:00   like what did you think about grand moff [TS]

00:26:01   tarkin and what did you think about that [TS]

00:26:03   any of the characters and I did a [TS]

00:26:05   similar thing we're like if I see [TS]

00:26:07   somebody wearing Apple earpods [TS]

00:26:09   I'll always ask them how out of [TS]

00:26:10   curiosity do you use double tap for Siri [TS]

00:26:13   or do you use double tap for play pause [TS]

00:26:16   you know if you want to go out and kind [TS]

00:26:17   of ask around and and learn these kinds [TS]

00:26:20   of things you you do that because you [TS]

00:26:22   have some you had some vested interest [TS]

00:26:25   in [TS]

00:26:26   that I just try I try to get a gauge I [TS]

00:26:33   do a little bit of Thomas Friedman work [TS]

00:26:35   right I like to just without being too [TS]

00:26:38   much of a nerd you know like if you're [TS]

00:26:40   in a ride ride hailing car like there's [TS]

00:26:42   a good chance that person's got some [TS]

00:26:44   personal technology they have to have [TS]

00:26:45   that in there and that's an interesting [TS]

00:26:47   times like notice like which phone [TS]

00:26:48   they've got how they're using it how [TS]

00:26:50   many do they have or like I go type it [TS]

00:26:52   up I pick up lunch for the family and I [TS]

00:26:55   notice that the burger place we go to [TS]

00:26:57   has an array of seven different not just [TS]

00:27:01   iPads but Samsung's they have an array [TS]

00:27:03   of they've got this whole area it looks [TS]

00:27:05   like you know Charles from the wrens you [TS]

00:27:07   ever look at his pedal board it looks [TS]

00:27:08   like that except it's all tablets to [TS]

00:27:10   take orders you know I'm just I'm a [TS]

00:27:13   different format yeah yeah from like [TS]

00:27:14   this is caviar this is you know spoonful [TS]

00:27:18   this is knife edge or whatever I don't [TS]

00:27:21   know I just always think that's [TS]

00:27:22   interesting to just kind of like get a [TS]

00:27:24   gauge about how other people are [TS]

00:27:26   thinking about and using technology and [TS]

00:27:28   the Apple Store is super interesting for [TS]

00:27:30   that just yeah yeah let me let me ask [TS]

00:27:32   you this yes you there um this sounds [TS]

00:27:36   like something that the old Merlin man [TS]

00:27:38   would do back when he was Merlin man and [TS]

00:27:40   was a technology pundit yeah I was a [TS]

00:27:42   seasoned today oh just you know yeah now [TS]

00:27:45   it seems like you're just a layperson [TS]

00:27:46   just a farmer you're just a farmer Merle [TS]

00:27:49   just as God made me uh and you're out [TS]

00:27:52   you know you're just out hoeing you're [TS]

00:27:54   your ro Helen my till why why exactly is [TS]

00:28:00   this just an is just like a distracted [TS]

00:28:05   interest or are you are you still still [TS]

00:28:08   is it or you like the Brad Pitt [TS]

00:28:10   character in the in the mortgage movie [TS]

00:28:14   or you know kind of keeping your hand in [TS]

00:28:16   the game even more the Christian Bale's [TS]

00:28:18   oh the Christian the Christian Bale on [TS]

00:28:21   the picture did you times I got some [TS]

00:28:24   speed metal in a confusing high because [TS]

00:28:28   I like sitting on the bus and listening [TS]

00:28:30   to people talk I do - I just like [TS]

00:28:32   observing people in the wild not not not [TS]

00:28:35   in a snarky like I want to put your [TS]

00:28:36   picture on the internet with your raven [TS]

00:28:37   kind of way but like you know like oh [TS]

00:28:39   you [TS]

00:28:39   no that's just that is super interesting [TS]

00:28:41   watching even how the lady my genius at [TS]

00:28:44   the app bar like how I thought they even [TS]

00:28:46   say genius or Apple bar anymore but the [TS]

00:28:49   woman who helped me get my computer [TS]

00:28:51   repair like watching how she interacts [TS]

00:28:52   like wow how she does stuff on the phone [TS]

00:28:54   that's it's not out of a vocational need [TS]

00:28:57   really although this stuff does come up [TS]

00:28:59   on you know I don't know I don't know [TS]

00:29:01   how you define what it is that I'm doing [TS]

00:29:03   these days but like it does come up I [TS]

00:29:04   end up talking are several shows we're [TS]

00:29:06   like I have three different shows where [TS]

00:29:07   stuff about Apple will come up even [TS]

00:29:09   though it's not the primary topic but [TS]

00:29:12   it's mostly just my own interests like [TS]

00:29:13   talking to my friends watching what [TS]

00:29:14   they're doing but you know it's I don't [TS]

00:29:18   know I'm not sure the point I'm trying [TS]

00:29:19   to make except that it there is such an [TS]

00:29:21   interesting and confusing range of [TS]

00:29:23   people's reckons about technology that [TS]

00:29:25   you really get to overhear as they as [TS]

00:29:27   the consumers playing it to the person [TS]

00:29:29   at the Genius Bar and you know let's you [TS]

00:29:31   know that's not every genius is a genius [TS]

00:29:32   you get real differing wait a minute [TS]

00:29:35   wait a minute not all geniuses bouncing [TS]

00:29:37   whole hold the phone yeah this about [TS]

00:29:41   Bernie where's John is this about Bernie [TS]

00:29:44   break they don't exist [TS]

00:29:46   [Music] [TS]

00:29:47   I my computer's not working right now [TS]

00:29:51   and it's the thing is that having done [TS]

00:29:53   this with the iPad now my laptop and my [TS]

00:29:56   whole system doesn't work right because [TS]

00:29:58   I had to do all these things in order to [TS]

00:30:00   upgrade I had to change passwords and [TS]

00:30:03   then in by changing passwords I reset [TS]

00:30:05   settings accidentally not on purpose it [TS]

00:30:08   wasn't that I did it it was that the [TS]

00:30:10   computer did it without asking right so [TS]

00:30:12   now my message app won't let me send [TS]

00:30:17   messages and I keep sending it and then [TS]

00:30:19   Google just sent me an email saying an [TS]

00:30:22   unsecured insecure app just tried to log [TS]

00:30:25   on to your Google and that and I'm just [TS]

00:30:29   in the laptop sending messages via the [TS]

00:30:32   message app like I didn't have anything [TS]

00:30:33   to do with Google on this but but it's [TS]

00:30:38   going through some you know yeah it's [TS]

00:30:41   going through the the passages of my [TS]

00:30:44   mind or whatever hmm uh and so anyway so [TS]

00:30:49   here I am I got I got three messages I [TS]

00:30:51   need to send I need to send them [TS]

00:30:53   kisum so that's crazy problem I'm [TS]

00:30:57   putting anger right now I see I'm trying [TS]

00:30:59   not to talk about this on the program [TS]

00:31:00   because we should talk about this [TS]

00:31:01   offline you're worried that somebody [TS]

00:31:03   listening to the program is going to [TS]

00:31:05   immediately use their superior hacking [TS]

00:31:07   qualities to how am i sorry I'm worried [TS]

00:31:09   that's already happened on somebody's oh [TS]

00:31:11   I see so if you can't if you're if [TS]

00:31:13   cranium you should never need to change [TS]

00:31:16   your password to do an update that's oh [TS]

00:31:19   no I don't think I had to do that it was [TS]

00:31:22   that they it was that uh why I mean [TS]

00:31:27   honestly I have no idea right they think [TS]

00:31:28   the thing to do to figure this out is to [TS]

00:31:31   take your known good Apple name and I'm [TS]

00:31:35   trying to look you up here look whatever [TS]

00:31:37   you're using for your come on contact [TS]

00:31:41   card yeah you should go and see if you [TS]

00:31:43   can log in you go to icloud.com [TS]

00:31:45   and see if you can log in with what you [TS]

00:31:47   know to be the correct credentials yeah [TS]

00:31:51   all right well Annie what you should do [TS]

00:31:53   so thanks for your coming apart thank [TS]

00:31:57   you thanks for coming to Mack comm show [TS]

00:32:00   I'm your host you-you-you don't ask [TS]

00:32:04   aunty your sequestered from from so much [TS]

00:32:08   of my world probably by design you can't [TS]

00:32:11   even imagine the feedback that I get [TS]

00:32:13   from people about what I should be [TS]

00:32:15   helping you with it's very frustrating [TS]

00:32:17   to people that I'm not constantly going [TS]

00:32:19   in and correcting anything that's even [TS]

00:32:21   slightly wrong you're running from [TS]

00:32:22   submit but also if you have the [TS]

00:32:24   slightest technical problem the entire [TS]

00:32:25   internet is very frustrated with me that [TS]

00:32:27   I don't fly to se a B Viva Seattle [TS]

00:32:32   Tacoma leave a SeaTac and personally go [TS]

00:32:35   I'd help you with whatever your [TS]

00:32:36   misunderstanding [TS]

00:32:37   oh yeah feedback I get feedback about [TS]

00:32:39   this yeah I'm I'm a pro straighter with [TS]

00:32:42   the - what the hell aren't you doing [TS]

00:32:43   that I know you know what this is part [TS]

00:32:45   of Jeff oshins portfolio why don't you [TS]

00:32:47   fly up here and fix this this message [TS]

00:32:50   app right now oh you know what it is [TS]

00:32:51   it's this it's the second device [TS]

00:32:55   authentication did I agree to that I [TS]

00:32:59   agreed to which means that now I can't [TS]

00:33:01   do anything without [TS]

00:33:03   also finding my phone and typing in they [TS]

00:33:07   might have lock your car keys into a [TS]

00:33:08   second set of car keys I did oh so look [TS]

00:33:18   at you so just look at you squared away [TS]

00:33:21   okay oh wait a minute what was that that [TS]

00:33:26   just happened why did I oh no what [TS]

00:33:28   happened John ah it said you need to put [TS]

00:33:32   this code into your other machine and I [TS]

00:33:34   said okay he dismissed an and then I'm [TS]

00:33:38   and then I dismissed it no because I [TS]

00:33:40   didn't know where I wanted me to put it [TS]

00:33:41   chit chit and and I was like a Zapotec [TS]

00:33:44   get back but you got in you found you [TS]

00:33:47   can find your car keys inside the car [TS]

00:33:48   keys you're gonna get a lot I'm gonna [TS]

00:33:50   try right now hang on okay yeah but this [TS]

00:33:53   is such good radiuses good fun um I got [TS]

00:33:56   the numbers in verifying trust this [TS]

00:33:58   browser it asks me do I trust the [TS]

00:34:01   browser what is that what blew the [TS]

00:34:05   browser Safari then he got hacked I got [TS]

00:34:11   a virus I got heck with the virus be [TS]

00:34:14   said you done dude it okay alright I [TS]

00:34:21   think [TS]

00:34:22   oh wait a minute hey my cloud storage is [TS]

00:34:24   almost full oh it's photos videos [TS]

00:34:28   documents and data will no longer be [TS]

00:34:30   updated but I can learn more let's see [TS]

00:34:33   what it says good manage my iCloud [TS]

00:34:36   storage oh I can increase my storage [TS]

00:34:39   just 50 gigabytes who would ever need [TS]

00:34:42   that many gigabytes for $0.99 US dollars [TS]

00:34:46   a month you know I'm a flurbot terabyte [TS]

00:34:49   go for the terabyte I'm not going to put [TS]

00:34:52   another eel on my bottom [TS]

00:34:58   it's you know it's like it's it's like [TS]

00:35:01   um it's like the the Cosa Nostra right [TS]

00:35:04   they stopped by your cheese shop and [TS]

00:35:06   they go you got a real nice cheese shop [TS]

00:35:07   here it'll be a shame if anything [TS]

00:35:08   happened your camembert it's it's like [TS]

00:35:10   that except in this case the putting the [TS]

00:35:12   army'll on you with attention where it's [TS]

00:35:14   like every morning it's gonna go you [TS]

00:35:15   know what I mean well I mean in the time [TS]

00:35:30   okay here's the great thing in the time [TS]

00:35:31   that it took me to write and set to [TS]

00:35:34   write the person I was trying to so so [TS]

00:35:37   there's a mayoral race in Seattle this [TS]

00:35:38   season and uh my good friend former [TS]

00:35:42   mayor Mike McGinn mm-hmm has thrown his [TS]

00:35:46   hat back in the race to run against his [TS]

00:35:49   arch nemesis and current mayor uh ed [TS]

00:35:54   Murray Cassie [TS]

00:35:56   ed Murray had a dust-up ed Murray is in [TS]

00:35:59   the newspapers a lot recently here and [TS]

00:36:01   I'm not trying to be provocative but I [TS]

00:36:03   feel like I've heard some things uh he [TS]

00:36:06   has uh he is it in the midst of scandal [TS]

00:36:10   okay he says when she says is uh like [TS]

00:36:15   dirty tricks right well I mean I I don't [TS]

00:36:20   have any problem just outlying the facts [TS]

00:36:22   of the case [TS]

00:36:23   yeah which are that uh you know ed [TS]

00:36:25   Murray is gay he was a volunteer and [TS]

00:36:29   like a like a an activist a community [TS]

00:36:33   activist in Portland in the 80s okay [TS]

00:36:36   and he was in his 30s in the late 1980s [TS]

00:36:42   and he worked with you know at-risk [TS]

00:36:45   youth for many years accusations have [TS]

00:36:51   dog Tim's that he in the process of [TS]

00:36:55   mentoring uh street kids groomed and you [TS]

00:37:04   know helped a couple of them uh in the [TS]

00:37:08   sense that he let the [TS]

00:37:09   live at his house okay and uh and then [TS]

00:37:13   the accusation then there were [TS]

00:37:15   accusations at the time that he had that [TS]

00:37:19   he was sexually abusing them and this is [TS]

00:37:22   was like a a whisper in the press or was [TS]

00:37:26   this kind of a public say no he wasn't [TS]

00:37:29   he wasn't I don't think prominent enough [TS]

00:37:32   then that it would have been a whisper [TS]

00:37:35   in the press know a kid actually went to [TS]

00:37:37   the cops okay in the eighties thanks and [TS]

00:37:41   in the 80s it was a scene where you know [TS]

00:37:45   here was this upstanding sort of guy in [TS]

00:37:49   his 30s who is working with at-risk [TS]

00:37:50   youth versus a 15 year old drug addict [TS]

00:37:55   street kid and so the cops just you know [TS]

00:37:58   brushed it under the table right they [TS]

00:38:01   just like the they didn't pursue it so [TS]

00:38:06   now at right at the start of this [TS]

00:38:09   election season the handful of guys who [TS]

00:38:15   were teenagers in the 80s have come [TS]

00:38:17   forward and said this happened to me and [TS]

00:38:20   they they all have a lot of supportive [TS]

00:38:24   for supporting evidence you know they [TS]

00:38:27   all remember a certain sort of aspect of [TS]

00:38:31   his penis it had a bump on it and a [TS]

00:38:34   cuppa [TS]

00:38:35   one of the guys remembers Ed's phone [TS]

00:38:38   number by heart you know from late 80s [TS]

00:38:42   and it was a you know it is precisely a [TS]

00:38:47   my own private Idaho scenario in some [TS]

00:38:49   ways right these guys were these teens [TS]

00:38:52   were Street kids and drug kids and they [TS]

00:38:55   were hustlers and they freely admit that [TS]

00:38:58   they were hustlers but this was a [TS]

00:39:00   different scene with IDI right he was [TS]

00:39:02   like I mean one of the kids adopted Ed's [TS]

00:39:05   last name as his you know he was [TS]

00:39:07   borderline adopting them this is very [TS]

00:39:11   complicated [TS]

00:39:12   yeah and doing all that stuff you know [TS]

00:39:14   giving them money taking them to the [TS]

00:39:16   doctor promoting them saying you know go [TS]

00:39:18   to college he was acting as a father [TS]

00:39:21   figure in a lot of ways [TS]

00:39:23   and they you know and and all these kids [TS]

00:39:26   say you know that in a way they loved [TS]

00:39:28   him and some ways really loved him but [TS]

00:39:32   he also was you know they kind of [TS]

00:39:35   weren't they didn't want to have his [TS]

00:39:38   penis in them hmm and that was sort of [TS]

00:39:41   what he would that was his game I guess [TS]

00:39:44   this is the accusation I have no I have [TS]

00:39:48   no knowledge one where they up obviously [TS]

00:39:51   and complicating matters further the [TS]

00:39:56   people that are from that are pushing [TS]

00:39:59   this lawsuit are it's a law firm and a [TS]

00:40:04   kind of a group that is a very [TS]

00:40:07   conservative Christian group that is [TS]

00:40:10   pushing a very strong agenda and they [TS]

00:40:13   come at at a few different ways they're [TS]

00:40:16   they're the type of group that does this [TS]

00:40:18   sort of thing to other politicians one [TS]

00:40:22   of the guys in the in the article the [TS]

00:40:25   newspaper article about these accusers [TS]

00:40:27   one of the guys had taken a masking tape [TS]

00:40:30   and written on the front of his blue [TS]

00:40:33   t-shirt written Jesus Saves in masking [TS]

00:40:36   tape across the shirt for the photoshoot [TS]

00:40:38   because he forgot to wear his Jesus [TS]

00:40:40   Saves shirt so that is you know the [TS]

00:40:45   leftists right are very suspicious of [TS]

00:40:49   that whole thing and so we're off to the [TS]

00:40:56   races right the mayor's office denies [TS]

00:40:57   everything they went to the dot they [TS]

00:41:00   went to had some doctor examine him and [TS]

00:41:01   say there's no bump on his penis even [TS]

00:41:04   though it's sort of one of those things [TS]

00:41:06   where it's like really there's like four [TS]

00:41:08   guys that all say the same thing um and [TS]

00:41:12   so it's like it's very it's very [TS]

00:41:19   complicated and all Oh non-complicated [TS]

00:41:25   also because if you're running against [TS]

00:41:27   him that's not the way you'd want to win [TS]

00:41:30   you were right well it isn't except that [TS]

00:41:33   you know like this will bring a lot of [TS]

00:41:36   crazies into the [TS]

00:41:38   but the thing about McGinn is that he is [TS]

00:41:41   against Edie Marie profoundly and McGinn [TS]

00:41:46   doesn't care begin will never mention [TS]

00:41:48   this this this isn't on his radar at all [TS]

00:41:51   he he just he's against Ed's personality [TS]

00:41:56   he's against his policies he's a he is [TS]

00:42:00   he's a he's been sitting on the [TS]

00:42:02   sidelines for the last four years [TS]

00:42:04   just like chomping at it he really [TS]

00:42:07   helped my City Council campaign and it [TS]

00:42:10   was in that time that I realized that [TS]

00:42:13   he's a player he wants in you know and [TS]

00:42:17   so this was just a you know the lot a [TS]

00:42:21   lot of the reason that McGinn wouldn't [TS]

00:42:23   have run against it and I'm sure he was [TS]

00:42:25   conceived been thinking about it the [TS]

00:42:27   entire time is Ed's a very good [TS]

00:42:30   politician too and had shored up support [TS]

00:42:32   from a lot of different quadrants and a [TS]

00:42:35   lot of that support in politics I [TS]

00:42:37   learned in running is I mean everybody's [TS]

00:42:41   very half-hearted they're like well we [TS]

00:42:43   don't like this about we don't like this [TS]

00:42:46   or that about this person but he's our [TS]

00:42:49   best shot so we're throwing everything [TS]

00:42:51   behind him right because there's no [TS]

00:42:54   there's no half endorsement in politics [TS]

00:42:56   nobody goes like well we sort of like [TS]

00:42:59   both people but you know I mean the only [TS]

00:43:03   people that do that are the stranger [TS]

00:43:04   right who who endorsed my opponent by [TS]

00:43:07   saying this guy's kind of a creepy [TS]

00:43:09   serial killer but he knows policy John [TS]

00:43:13   Roderick is a really fun rakish exciting [TS]

00:43:15   guy that we like a lot but he just [TS]

00:43:18   hasn't been in the game long enough and [TS]

00:43:19   that's an endorsement that helps nobody [TS]

00:43:22   or satisfies nobody right that's just [TS]

00:43:24   like thank-thanks but most like the [TS]

00:43:28   union's everybody else restaurant it [TS]

00:43:30   would be like a restaurant review where [TS]

00:43:32   they can't personally find anything to [TS]

00:43:34   like on the menu but they can give you [TS]

00:43:35   reasons not to order two different [TS]

00:43:37   things it's like well okay so should I [TS]

00:43:40   avoid the restaurant altogether like [TS]

00:43:42   right it's a I kid that's not really [TS]

00:43:44   super actionable unless I just side not [TS]

00:43:47   to vote yeah or just you just got you're [TS]

00:43:50   like I mean there [TS]

00:43:51   I guess they're open about lesser of two [TS]

00:43:54   evils but 99% of the people don't don't [TS]

00:43:57   read even that deep into it they just [TS]

00:43:59   they pulled the cheat sheet out and [TS]

00:44:01   check the box that they tell him to [TS]

00:44:02   check you sure but in this case the the [TS]

00:44:06   question of whether or not Mike McGinn [TS]

00:44:10   would run against Edie Marie was always [TS]

00:44:11   a question of how vulnerable is Edie and [TS]

00:44:14   Edie is a very good politician and so he [TS]

00:44:16   had shored up support from all of the [TS]

00:44:20   groups all of the the all of the people [TS]

00:44:24   you need so he seemed in he seemed less [TS]

00:44:26   vulnerable not invulnerable ever right [TS]

00:44:28   but he seemed like if all the powers [TS]

00:44:31   that be were going to get behind him [TS]

00:44:33   he's a much more difficult person to run [TS]

00:44:36   against this this unfortunate [TS]

00:44:41   controversy and I and I don't mean it [TS]

00:44:44   just that it's unfortunate for Ed it's [TS]

00:44:45   unfortunate for all involved it's and [TS]

00:44:47   and presuming I think that you kind of [TS]

00:44:52   can presume that there's truth to these [TS]

00:44:55   accusations cuz it just doesn't seem [TS]

00:44:57   unlikely you know it seems like there's [TS]

00:45:00   just points you get to and I don't know [TS]

00:45:02   anything about this I'm not trying to [TS]

00:45:03   speculate but you know there are those [TS]

00:45:05   kinds of things that you run into where [TS]

00:45:07   you're like this there's so many [TS]

00:45:09   different pieces coming to even small [TS]

00:45:12   pieces coming from so many different [TS]

00:45:14   places you know it isn't like a you know [TS]

00:45:16   well one-one idiot says Iraq has WMDs [TS]

00:45:20   you know it isn't even anything like [TS]

00:45:21   that it's more like there's so much [TS]

00:45:23   little bits of chatter and smoke from so [TS]

00:45:24   many different places it almost seems in [TS]

00:45:27   the in retrospect with cases like that [TS]

00:45:29   it seems like there's probably something [TS]

00:45:30   going on well and also and this is the [TS]

00:45:33   this is the problem that makes it hard [TS]

00:45:36   to shake for sure if if you talk to if [TS]

00:45:40   you talk to anyone who was a gay [TS]

00:45:42   teenager in the 1980s there was a [TS]

00:45:46   culture then and there wasn't there was [TS]

00:45:50   a culture that was that that just had a [TS]

00:45:53   very different idea of what the age of [TS]

00:45:57   the appropriate age of consent was and [TS]

00:46:00   in a lot of these western states like [TS]

00:46:02   that the age of consent in Oregon has [TS]

00:46:04   been 18 for a long time but across [TS]

00:46:08   America the there are a there states [TS]

00:46:12   where the age of consent was 12 until [TS]

00:46:14   not that long ago no in Ohio for [TS]

00:46:16   heterosexual business uh-uh yeah because [TS]

00:46:19   because homosexual business was against [TS]

00:46:21   the law no matter how old you were [TS]

00:46:22   there was no age of consent for it right [TS]

00:46:25   it could not be it was illegal by my [TS]

00:46:29   definition but the age of consent for [TS]

00:46:31   heterosexual sex in a mean it's still [TS]

00:46:33   very state to state and there are states [TS]

00:46:36   where it's 14 years old still there are [TS]

00:46:38   a lot of yeah there are a lot of states [TS]

00:46:39   where it's 16 like the number of states [TS]

00:46:44   that it was 18 were definitely in the [TS]

00:46:47   minority for a long time I think that's [TS]

00:46:51   not true now but so so this idea that we [TS]

00:46:55   have that 18 years old is the age of [TS]

00:46:58   consent or even 16 is the age of consent [TS]

00:47:02   isn't necessarily that that's a that's a [TS]

00:47:05   that is an idea that has been evolving [TS]

00:47:08   over time and in the 80s in in Oregon on [TS]

00:47:12   the streets of Portland and I was on the [TS]

00:47:15   streets of Portland in the 80s and it [TS]

00:47:17   was a dark and lawless place but it's [TS]

00:47:21   not just digitally can find a finally [TS]

00:47:24   wasn't there no but I did meet keanue we [TS]

00:47:27   went for a motorcycle ride but like all [TS]

00:47:29   of them all the American streets right [TS]

00:47:32   like the the gay communities were not [TS]

00:47:35   able to be out and proud they had they [TS]

00:47:41   had their own sort of system their own [TS]

00:47:43   law and a lot of you know if you talk to [TS]

00:47:44   Dan Savage about his own experiences or [TS]

00:47:48   anybody my age who was gay in the 80s [TS]

00:47:51   their experiences are incredibly varied [TS]

00:47:54   and a lot of them had mentors who were [TS]

00:47:57   older men that sort of brought them into [TS]

00:48:00   the life showed them the way and were [TS]

00:48:03   and that's a thing that that in a [TS]

00:48:05   heterosexual context it never it's [TS]

00:48:09   always a little bit uh creepy the idea [TS]

00:48:12   of a mentor right or like an older man [TS]

00:48:15   that's going to show it your money [TS]

00:48:16   out anytime I just loves hearing about [TS]

00:48:18   these problems that you see or know I [TS]

00:48:19   think University University of [TS]

00:48:22   California is changing as of this week I [TS]

00:48:24   think changing the structure for how [TS]

00:48:25   things like especially things with [TS]

00:48:28   faculty get reported and tracked down [TS]

00:48:31   you know I mean that's I think that's [TS]

00:48:33   something where the anytime there's a [TS]

00:48:37   power differential there's going to be [TS]

00:48:39   questions right I mean anytime that [TS]

00:48:41   there is one person has venus otro for [TS]

00:48:45   sexual harassment that anytime there's a [TS]

00:48:46   power differential like the way that [TS]

00:48:48   every aspect of how that gets treated is [TS]

00:48:50   different it's one thing for it to be [TS]

00:48:52   your 18 year old neighbor and another [TS]

00:48:54   thing for it to be like a 40 year old [TS]

00:48:56   powerful man you know who has who has a [TS]

00:49:00   reputation and who has the ability to [TS]

00:49:03   affect any way it's just it's it's not [TS]

00:49:06   difficult not to look weird even that is [TS]

00:49:10   a recent you know or an evolving idea [TS]

00:49:14   right we we see that power now as a [TS]

00:49:17   thing that that it that power [TS]

00:49:19   differential as a thing that is that we [TS]

00:49:22   we pour a lot of energy into seeing it [TS]

00:49:24   as uh as exploitative um but that wasn't [TS]

00:49:29   the case in the seventies right or or in [TS]

00:49:33   the 90s even it is oh really [TS]

00:49:37   interactively interfer in terms of a [TS]

00:49:40   mutual consent mostly relationship yeah [TS]

00:49:46   just in that in that but it wasn't [TS]

00:49:48   usually like I I had several instructors [TS]

00:49:50   in college who dated students like who [TS]

00:49:52   were in the class with me that used to [TS]

00:49:55   be like a pretty normal thing my [TS]

00:49:58   guidance counselor at the University of [TS]

00:50:01   Washington when I was 22 and she was 38 [TS]

00:50:05   huh I remember this seduced me and um [TS]

00:50:11   and had control over my transcripts and [TS]

00:50:15   what because I was transferring to the [TS]

00:50:18   University she was the person [TS]

00:50:21   determining what the my credits were [TS]

00:50:25   going to be like I was coming from a [TS]

00:50:26   school that had a semester system I was [TS]

00:50:28   joining a school that had a [TS]

00:50:29   system and it was sort of up to her [TS]

00:50:32   discretion whether or not a semester [TS]

00:50:34   credit was written down as a credit for [TS]

00:50:38   a quarter or credit for two quarters [TS]

00:50:39   almost every college garlis of how good [TS]

00:50:41   the colleges is if you transfer in they [TS]

00:50:44   will find a way to shave credit no [TS]

00:50:46   matter where you went and she found a [TS]

00:50:49   way to not shave those credits Wow [TS]

00:50:52   um she found a way because she had the [TS]

00:50:56   she had the the number two pencil that [TS]

00:50:59   some of my higher level classes that [TS]

00:51:03   were owned that were a semester long got [TS]

00:51:05   turned into two quarters worth of credit [TS]

00:51:10   because we were sleeping together [TS]

00:51:12   and that wasn't mm-hmm that that wasn't [TS]

00:51:17   lost on me but and not not that I was [TS]

00:51:21   doing it not that I was doing it like [TS]

00:51:30   right now with malice aforethought it [TS]

00:51:33   wasn't like you said oh I'm gonna go [TS]

00:51:35   have this relationship in order to get [TS]

00:51:36   more credits no I had no idea that such [TS]

00:51:38   a relationship was possible until I was [TS]

00:51:40   in it but it became very weird later [TS]

00:51:45   when I kind of like you broke up with [TS]

00:51:50   her for lack of a better term and she [TS]

00:51:53   called my house my mom's house saying hi [TS]

00:51:57   this is John's guidance counselor I'm [TS]

00:51:58   really worried about him do you have any [TS]

00:52:00   information about you know like it was [TS]

00:52:01   there was an incredible power [TS]

00:52:03   differential and she was in the end I [TS]

00:52:08   think a very nice person who was in her [TS]

00:52:12   own life kind of going through a period [TS]

00:52:14   going through a a midlife crisis maybe [TS]

00:52:18   even and um and I always have seemed [TS]

00:52:22   older than I was or more mature than I [TS]

00:52:25   was but I it wasn't just that I was 22 [TS]

00:52:28   like I was pretty inexperienced not I [TS]

00:52:32   was not a 22 year old who had had [TS]

00:52:35   ten long-term relationships with girls [TS]

00:52:37   my own age you know I was still pretty [TS]

00:52:40   new I didn't lose my virginity until I [TS]

00:52:42   was 20 and I had you know and then [TS]

00:52:47   though that next couple of years from 20 [TS]

00:52:49   to 22 were not particularly fruitful [TS]

00:52:53   years in terms of getting to know ladies [TS]

00:52:57   and what and how to how to behave how I [TS]

00:53:00   behave myself and in do and she did [TS]

00:53:05   teach me right she taught me uh things [TS]

00:53:10   that I didn't know about things that I [TS]

00:53:14   didn't that hadn't occurred to me to [TS]

00:53:16   know you know yeah like it wasn't just a [TS]

00:53:19   she wasn't exploiting me or I mean I [TS]

00:53:21   didn't I didn't feel like I guess I felt [TS]

00:53:24   like that at the time but I didn't feel [TS]

00:53:26   like um I you know it's not like I was I [TS]

00:53:32   wasn't afraid of anything I'm not I'm [TS]

00:53:35   not exactly I haven't really thought [TS]

00:53:36   about it in a long time and tried to [TS]

00:53:39   process it in a modern context because [TS]

00:53:42   at the time it just felt like and you [TS]

00:53:43   know and if you say to your friends like [TS]

00:53:45   oh yeah they're like whoa right because [TS]

00:53:47   it's a because it's a the nature of a [TS]

00:53:50   younger man older woman relationship is [TS]

00:53:52   that people don't have sympathy for that [TS]

00:53:56   right they're talking about that this [TS]

00:53:58   week on DoubleX [TS]

00:53:59   gab fest they were talking about the [TS]

00:54:01   whole thing of like just that that weird [TS]

00:54:04   imbalance between we're like if you see [TS]

00:54:06   an older predatory man with a younger [TS]

00:54:11   woman I mean you know a child or you [TS]

00:54:14   know teenager you everybody looks at [TS]

00:54:15   that and goes you but like there is [TS]

00:54:18   still this narrative of when it's an [TS]

00:54:20   older potentially predatory woman who's [TS]

00:54:23   using their power willfully in this case [TS]

00:54:25   maybe like everybody goes yeah right [TS]

00:54:29   like it's so like you know yeah but in [TS]

00:54:32   that case you like you were an adult you [TS]

00:54:34   weren't a minor at the time but there's [TS]

00:54:36   still in our Delta I mean and I but I [TS]

00:54:39   was a minor in my mind you know that I [TS]

00:54:41   was still a child but there was when we [TS]

00:54:46   when she and I would go shopping [TS]

00:54:48   this was always very interesting because [TS]

00:54:49   of what I would talk to my friends and [TS]

00:54:52   even my even my uh my girlfriend's like [TS]

00:54:55   my younger woman friends yeah it was [TS]

00:54:59   always it was always uh regarded as that [TS]

00:55:02   I that this was evidence that I was a [TS]

00:55:04   that I was a big wheelwright that I was [TS]

00:55:06   sleeping with this older woman that was [TS]

00:55:08   in a position of power and she was a [TS]

00:55:09   lawyer - I mean she she had she she had [TS]

00:55:12   left her career in order to work at the [TS]

00:55:14   University for some reason I don't know [TS]

00:55:15   maybe hmm maybe it was maybe because [TS]

00:55:21   look back huh has she ever been in the [TS]

00:55:26   clergy yeah exactly [TS]

00:55:28   but when we would go to the grocery [TS]

00:55:30   store together other middle-aged women [TS]

00:55:37   would glare at her and so much so that I [TS]

00:55:42   noticed it and I mentioned it to her one [TS]

00:55:45   time because we were waiting in line you [TS]

00:55:47   know we were checking out we had bought [TS]

00:55:48   some ingredients for she was gonna make [TS]

00:55:51   me something she called green pizza and [TS]

00:55:55   we were sitting there in the and the [TS]

00:55:57   woman checking us out at the grocery [TS]

00:55:59   store was given you know was just kind [TS]

00:56:00   of giving her a lot of vibe and and [TS]

00:56:05   there were a couple of encounters where [TS]

00:56:07   we were walking down the aisle and [TS]

00:56:08   putting stuff in the shopping cart and [TS]

00:56:11   it was clear that we were there as a [TS]

00:56:12   romantic couple and not as she wasn't my [TS]

00:56:15   mom right and uh and you know and and [TS]

00:56:20   she just got the stink-eye and I [TS]

00:56:22   mentioned to her and she was like oh [TS]

00:56:23   yeah well she sort of blew it off as [TS]

00:56:27   though it was you know uh she wasn't [TS]

00:56:32   surprised and it it did surprise me and [TS]

00:56:37   still kind of surprises me because I'm [TS]

00:56:40   not sure what I'm not sure what that [TS]

00:56:42   means within the within a culture of [TS]

00:56:45   middle-aged women like what why you [TS]

00:56:47   would be mad at someone who had a young [TS]

00:56:50   boyfriend what exactly what exact crime [TS]

00:56:53   year [TS]

00:56:53   come on without getting any too specific [TS]

00:56:55   because who knows but I mean the basic [TS]

00:56:57   one is oh I know what you're up to right [TS]

00:57:00   yeah [TS]

00:57:01   everybody might have different reasons [TS]

00:57:03   why it bothers them that she's up to [TS]

00:57:06   that but I mean it's a common thing is [TS]

00:57:07   like oh you're not fooling anybody [TS]

00:57:09   yeah and and it feels a little bit like [TS]

00:57:12   the like Monty Python Housewives like [TS]

00:57:16   hey pearl pearl clutching mm-hmm but um [TS]

00:57:22   all of that is sort of uh beside the [TS]

00:57:26   point or or at least tangential to the [TS]

00:57:28   point which is that you all you had to [TS]

00:57:30   do it seemed so simple was to send uh [TS]

00:57:32   send the text to the mayoral candidate [TS]

00:57:36   hmm to Houston [TS]

00:57:38   oh right solvent popping the stack John [TS]

00:57:41   so here I Mike McGinn who has declared [TS]

00:57:45   that he's running for the for the mayor [TS]

00:57:48   allottee the only reason he's chosen to [TS]

00:57:51   do it is that that he saw he saw [TS]

00:57:54   political advantage right there ISM [TS]

00:57:56   there was a moment where Ed's newfound [TS]

00:57:59   vulnerability was going to cause enough [TS]

00:58:01   of the people that enough of the unions [TS]

00:58:04   that had thrown their support behind him [TS]

00:58:05   to waver and to be unsure that there [TS]

00:58:11   would be a there was an opportunity for [TS]

00:58:12   Mike to get in he has you know Mike [TS]

00:58:15   wouldn't care if it was just that Ed had [TS]

00:58:17   stubbed his toe might be getting an [TS]

00:58:20   opening yeah and he Mike's going to do a [TS]

00:58:22   better job and he's going to be better [TS]

00:58:24   for the city is why he's running right [TS]

00:58:26   that's what that's his his justification [TS]

00:58:29   so anyway he and I were supposed to meet [TS]

00:58:31   for lunch today but the problem was and [TS]

00:58:35   this is the problem I never put things [TS]

00:58:37   into my calendar right I have made three [TS]

00:58:42   separate lunch dates for today at noon [TS]

00:58:46   Oh John and I didn't realize it I didn't [TS]

00:58:49   realize I had done it I was like [TS]

00:58:52   everybody that talked to me last week it [TS]

00:58:54   was like we should get lunch next week I [TS]

00:58:55   was like what about Monday and each [TS]

00:58:57   person was like let me get back to you [TS]

00:58:59   and when they got back to me we're like [TS]

00:59:02   yes let's do Monday 12:30 let's do [TS]

00:59:04   Monday at 12:30 I was like great and [TS]

00:59:09   last night [TS]

00:59:12   I was like sittin and stewing and I was [TS]

00:59:21   like wait a minute do I have something [TS]

00:59:22   to do tomorrow [TS]

00:59:23   uh-huh I looked at my calendar there [TS]

00:59:24   wasn't anything there and um and then I [TS]

00:59:31   was like I think I'm having lunch with [TS]

00:59:33   the mayor and I thought wait a minute [TS]

00:59:38   aren't I also having lunch with Brian [TS]

00:59:40   and Scott [TS]

00:59:41   what does anybody else that I'm having [TS]

00:59:43   lunch with and then I did I said can I [TS]

00:59:46   wear is there anybody did I just feel [TS]

00:59:47   like then I was like oh shit I'm having [TS]

00:59:49   lunch with Kate and I felt like such a [TS]

00:59:55   dunce over okay [TS]

00:59:55   dunce over okay [TS]

01:00:00   quite a feeling I hate that feeling it's [TS]

01:00:01   like like this and unforced error like [TS]

01:00:03   Oh jiminy what am I doing here yeah yeah [TS]

01:00:06   like what did I turn three different [TS]

01:00:09   people and all these are important [TS]

01:00:10   lunches right I want to have lunch with [TS]

01:00:11   Kate I want to have lunch with Mike I [TS]

01:00:13   want to have lunch with Brian and Scott [TS]

01:00:16   don't leave it all in garden consolidate [TS]

01:00:18   them it's just what I thought for a [TS]

01:00:21   minute but every one of those [TS]

01:00:22   conversations all three of them are [TS]

01:00:24   supposed to be competent I don't know [TS]

01:00:25   it's just this is how bearing out is [TS]

01:00:30   these so telling you you guys should be [TS]

01:00:32   working together all one big team so all [TS]

01:00:35   morning I've been sending you know [TS]

01:00:37   trying to send this message like hey I [TS]

01:00:39   got to reschedule hey I got a reschedule [TS]

01:00:40   uh I just got a text on my phone from [TS]

01:00:46   Brian and Scott saying get this this is [TS]

01:00:48   these two these two fucking guys it's [TS]

01:00:50   11:10 a.m. they're like we're here at [TS]

01:00:52   the restaurant get here when you can [TS]

01:00:53   play mini seriously you guys gonna sit [TS]

01:00:57   there for an hour so I'm gonna show up [TS]

01:00:59   at or an hour and a half I'm gonna show [TS]

01:01:01   up at 12:30 and you're gonna you know [TS]

01:01:03   and the checks gonna be on the table and [TS]

01:01:05   have a thumb of coffee left in the cup [TS]

01:01:08   so so what what I just did was i it as [TS]

01:01:13   Brian and Scott sent me that saying that [TS]

01:01:16   they're already there [TS]

01:01:17   that indicates to me that I am NOT [TS]

01:01:19   taking that lunch date seriously anymore [TS]

01:01:21   oh really [TS]

01:01:22   okay because I'm gonna go there right [TS]

01:01:26   but I'm gonna swing by because you're [TS]

01:01:30   gonna swing by my swing ugly ready like [TS]

01:01:34   we had state for 12:30 not for 11 [TS]

01:01:37   they're there already they're gonna have [TS]

01:01:39   their own little how can these men but [TS]

01:01:41   that's that's a little bit of a [TS]

01:01:42   passive-aggressive move I'll say it puts [TS]

01:01:45   you back on your heels no unnecessarily [TS]

01:01:47   so I'm gonna swing by and let's just [TS]

01:01:50   sales but I sent a thing to Kate saying [TS]

01:01:53   I was sorry could we reschedule and then [TS]

01:01:56   I asked the mayor if we could push it [TS]

01:01:59   back till 2:00 and the mayor just wrote [TS]

01:02:01   back and said yep so Wow I'm I'm on it [TS]

01:02:06   too with the mayor I cancel with Kate [TS]

01:02:08   I'm going to see you get your swing by [TS]

01:02:11   first and then you're gonna go back the [TS]

01:02:12   mayor [TS]

01:02:13   I'm gonna go meet the mayor and then [TS]

01:02:15   early dinner with Adam Savage because [TS]

01:02:18   I'm interviewing him tonight at the [TS]

01:02:20   University of Washington Oh No kidding [TS]

01:02:22   and we're gonna talk about what we're [TS]

01:02:24   going to talk about wait wait hang on [TS]

01:02:25   you talk about Mythbusters guy yeah I [TS]

01:02:28   like that just he get he got he got [TS]

01:02:31   brought to town by the University Office [TS]

01:02:32   he didn't want him he's a very nice man [TS]

01:02:34   very nice man they asked if I would be [TS]

01:02:36   the moderator and I said of course [TS]

01:02:39   so that's my day-to-day is swing by like [TS]

01:02:46   sorry had to have to skip Kate huh [TS]

01:02:49   bounce over to the Merrit too and then [TS]

01:02:52   early dinner with Adam at 5:00 boy [TS]

01:02:55   you're a hell of a day going on this is [TS]

01:02:56   a good day it's exciting right [TS]

01:02:59   just another day in the life hmm I woke [TS]

01:03:03   up and I fell out of bed mm-hmm I didn't [TS]

01:03:06   even dragged a comb across oh you didn't [TS]

01:03:08   even find your way upstairs and have a [TS]

01:03:09   cup I have my cups or downstairs but [TS]

01:03:12   then when you looked up [TS]

01:03:13   do you notice you really noticed I was [TS]

01:03:16   like what am i late to the show I was [TS]

01:03:18   those few minutes late we both made [TS]

01:03:19   coffee [TS]

01:03:20   no no I'm USA USA ding ding I asked it's [TS]

01:03:24   Adams really good summit it's a fun time [TS]

01:03:27   I got it very rated as a masterpiece but [TS]

01:03:31   it's a very good song the thing is that [TS]

01:03:33   nobody had ever done it before so thank [TS]

01:03:35   you so you get a bye you get a pass when [TS]

01:03:37   nobody's ever done so it's for you get [TS]

01:03:38   useful pass the George Martin Georgia [TS]

01:03:40   Martin gets full points for that but [TS]

01:03:42   like you know it's good it's good you [TS]

01:03:45   know it's no and your Burke I sing yeah [TS]

01:03:49   sorry I don't mean to take off your [TS]

01:03:52   lunch talk my brother Bart once said to [TS]

01:03:55   me as I was complaining about revolution [TS]

01:03:57   number 9 uh my brother [TS]

01:04:02   defended revolution number nine and did [TS]

01:04:06   it as you know as a groundbreaking [TS]

01:04:07   watershed experimentation a thing that [TS]

01:04:11   was you know that changed the world [TS]

01:04:13   there was never you couldn't go back [TS]

01:04:15   couldn't put revolution number nine back [TS]

01:04:17   in the bottle and I was unsophisticated [TS]

01:04:21   at the time I was just a I was just a [TS]

01:04:24   teenager and I was saying it's a huge [TS]

01:04:27   chunk of an album that's already too [TS]

01:04:31   long and everyone in the world has only [TS]

01:04:35   listened to it once or twice like it's [TS]

01:04:37   not a song that you play the The White [TS]

01:04:39   Album our revolution number nine number [TS]

01:04:42   nine oh yeah we don't know yeah I I [TS]

01:04:44   happen to adore that record but no [TS]

01:04:46   you're right that's that's that's us [TS]

01:04:47   that's a skipper yet you don't put that [TS]

01:04:50   side of the album on yeah it's like that [TS]

01:04:52   butcher song on an odyssey an Oracle [TS]

01:04:54   like every great album has a song every [TS]

01:04:55   bass ket's cuz it's - drekia [TS]

01:04:57   dum not every about a lot but my brother [TS]

01:05:00   wouldn't hear it he would not hear nope [TS]

01:05:02   because it was the first and I feel like [TS]

01:05:07   because it was the first like music [TS]

01:05:10   concrete brought in to rock yeah I mean [TS]

01:05:15   it was it was innovative in in there [TS]

01:05:19   were so many techniques that had that [TS]

01:05:21   even in the even in an avant-garde [TS]

01:05:23   context hadn't been tried yet okay [TS]

01:05:25   multitrack right multi-tracking him I [TS]

01:05:28   guess I I don't care for it I think it's [TS]

01:05:32   I don't think it's aged well no no it [TS]

01:05:35   has and and I and I think the orchestral [TS]

01:05:37   swells of a day-in-the-life [TS]

01:05:39   are uh you know we're all used to them [TS]

01:05:42   they are they are but they're and I [TS]

01:05:45   think that that was a fine solution to [TS]

01:05:47   that problem but you can tell by the way [TS]

01:05:50   that they built it right they they had [TS]

01:05:52   the one part they had the other part [TS]

01:05:53   they didn't know what to do they counted [TS]

01:05:55   off that that area right on either side [TS]

01:05:58   yeah and said leave Spacey more thing [TS]

01:06:01   yeah we'll put something here uh-huh and [TS]

01:06:03   the solution was what they with how they [TS]

01:06:07   solve it right that's that's what [TS]

01:06:09   happened but I don't think that in a [TS]

01:06:11   world of infinite possibility [TS]

01:06:14   the I don't think that that was the best [TS]

01:06:16   thing that could have gone in that [TS]

01:06:17   pocket hmm let's just put it that way [TS]

01:06:19   but nobody asked me nobody wants nobody [TS]

01:06:22   wants to ghost of Christmas past me back [TS]

01:06:24   to Abbey Road no to get my you know my [TS]

01:06:29   thoughts on it like hey you guys touch [TS]

01:06:32   it before we do this this was remember [TS]

01:06:34   white white up we talk about the White [TS]

01:06:35   Album we talk about Daniel life [TS]

01:06:37   oh okay Dan the Life Sergeant Pepper [TS]

01:06:39   right you know what's weird when I was [TS]

01:06:41   going to sleep last night you're not [TS]

01:06:42   gonna believe the song I had in my head [TS]

01:06:43   uh she's leaving home for some reason [TS]

01:06:47   was in my head it's a great song it's a [TS]

01:06:50   really good song he's make me so sad [TS]

01:06:51   when I was like 12 or 13 oh this must be [TS]

01:06:54   what it's like when your child leaves [TS]

01:06:56   home must suck yeah yeah me too [TS]

01:07:00   thinking about how his wife's got a [TS]

01:07:03   dressing-gown I started to think as I [TS]

01:07:04   was falling asleep I was thinking how it [TS]

01:07:05   sounds like English people have lots of [TS]

01:07:07   different clothes for different modes [TS]

01:07:09   that Americans just don't have well they [TS]

01:07:12   have sleeping hats that's true yep [TS]

01:07:14   yeah dress gowns night shirts do about [TS]

01:07:19   unions did you ever wear a nightshirt [TS]

01:07:20   yeah and not something I felt very [TS]

01:07:24   comfortable about but I'm usually like a [TS]

01:07:27   pajamas or underwear man I got the whole [TS]

01:07:29   sickening sweatpants yeah for a while in [TS]

01:07:33   the 1980s during the I think what I'm [TS]

01:07:38   going to call the initial prep revival [TS]

01:07:41   um when Lands End first really was [TS]

01:07:46   making a stab for the boat shoe market [TS]

01:07:48   oh sure there was a there was a point [TS]

01:07:52   where I got an LLB n-- plaid flannel [TS]

01:07:57   nightshirt hmm um and you know what I [TS]

01:08:01   mean by nightshirt right it's knee [TS]

01:08:03   length flannel oh go to the cleaner pan [TS]

01:08:06   you get like a long long search like [TS]

01:08:08   almost like a tooth right mm-hmm and I [TS]

01:08:11   was like I'm gonna I'm doing this I'm [TS]

01:08:14   I'm I'm rockin the nightshirt now it was [TS]

01:08:17   right when I had transitioned from [TS]

01:08:18   tighty whitey underwear or y-fronts [TS]

01:08:21   to boxer shorts and I felt like these [TS]

01:08:24   were the items of [TS]

01:08:26   sophisticated manhood men did not wear [TS]

01:08:29   white underwear they wore plaid boxers [TS]

01:08:31   because that's because I don't know [TS]

01:08:33   where I got that idea and nightshirts is [TS]

01:08:36   how we slept and I rocked this [TS]

01:08:39   nightshirt for a while but I'm a I'm an [TS]

01:08:41   active sleeper and I would get tangled [TS]

01:08:43   up in this thing I would get tangled up [TS]

01:08:46   in it like like when you put four towels [TS]

01:08:48   in a dryer uh like I was just it was [TS]

01:08:53   like up over my head and I'm an athletic [TS]

01:08:56   sleeper [TS]

01:08:56   I've jump around I bounce around when [TS]

01:08:59   I'm sleeping and then one day I came [TS]

01:09:02   home from school and my nightshirt had [TS]

01:09:05   been cut in half huh because my sister [TS]

01:09:09   decided that it was a cool punk rock [TS]

01:09:12   layering so yeah development she had a [TS]

01:09:15   belt and you got a got a steel going [TS]

01:09:17   there well except that she cut the [TS]

01:09:19   bottom nine inches off because it did [TS]

01:09:21   more like a Madonna like a midriff type [TS]

01:09:23   situation she had well no it wasn't that [TS]

01:09:25   high but she had cut she just decided [TS]

01:09:27   that she had the power to take scissors [TS]

01:09:29   to my stuff that's pretty crazy [TS]

01:09:31   it was brassy and if I hadn't if she [TS]

01:09:36   hadn't [TS]

01:09:36   I probably would have the nightshirt [TS]

01:09:39   would have gone down the river I would [TS]

01:09:40   have never thought about it again if [TS]

01:09:42   she'd said can I have that even but the [TS]

01:09:45   fact that she cut that thing means that [TS]

01:09:48   I will never forget that night sure [TS]

01:09:50   right I'm still upset about still you're [TS]

01:09:52   still stewing I'm still stewing I had a [TS]

01:09:56   very interesting dream scape last night [TS]

01:09:58   are you okay four-time yeah I don't know [TS]

01:10:01   those guys I'm just gonna swing by [TS]

01:10:06   opinions I had a very interesting so [TS]

01:10:09   normally my when I lay in bed and I'm [TS]

01:10:11   trying to go to sleep or if I wake up [TS]

01:10:13   and I want to go back to sleep I kind of [TS]

01:10:15   have this dream landscape that I [TS]

01:10:19   conjured that's that's full of adventure [TS]

01:10:22   right it's high adventure [TS]

01:10:23   what what what drifts me off to sleep is [TS]

01:10:26   that I'm you know I'm like part of a [TS]

01:10:29   secret mission that's doing a halo jump [TS]

01:10:31   into some kind of you know like jungle [TS]

01:10:36   where we're going to take on some [TS]

01:10:38   drug criminals or you know I'm like I [TS]

01:10:40   have a I sketch out a little adventure [TS]

01:10:44   scenario and then I put myself sort of [TS]

01:10:47   up there and this in the like with my [TS]

01:10:50   parachute on and my oxygen mask on and [TS]

01:10:53   my teammates and we're like let's go and [TS]

01:10:55   we jump and then it's sort of like [TS]

01:10:56   jumping off into sleep Wow Wow uh like I [TS]

01:11:01   do a lot of that kind of and I'm not [TS]

01:11:05   sure how long those adventure scenarios [TS]

01:11:08   carry over into my dreams but that's [TS]

01:11:11   kind of like how I head off to sleep and [TS]

01:11:13   you would think they're very adventurous [TS]

01:11:16   scenarios that it would get my heart [TS]

01:11:18   beating and I wouldn't fall asleep but [TS]

01:11:20   it exactly is like the opposite of what [TS]

01:11:22   you want I think about trying to get my [TS]

01:11:23   heartbeat to lower no no I'm always just [TS]

01:11:26   like alright here we go [TS]

01:11:27   like this then we're or like heist [TS]

01:11:29   scenarios right we're where I'm where [TS]

01:11:32   I'm thinking like and the high scenarios [TS]

01:11:33   always maybe what puts me to sleep is [TS]

01:11:35   not so much the stealing of the thing [TS]

01:11:38   but the fencing of the thing when I sit [TS]

01:11:41   and think about because I run high [TS]

01:11:43   scenarios periodically I spend more time [TS]

01:11:45   thinking about fencing the goods or [TS]

01:11:48   laundering the money like bye-bye [TS]

01:11:53   like we've dollar heist involved like [TS]

01:11:56   gold bullion you got some bars like how [TS]

01:11:58   you monetize that how do you monetize it [TS]

01:12:00   right if you if you're one of those [TS]

01:12:02   those guys that steals a pallet full of [TS]

01:12:04   money in the back of a of a armored car [TS]

01:12:07   yeah and and you make it let's say you [TS]

01:12:10   make it to Mexico or wherever you're [TS]

01:12:13   going how do you launder that money that [TS]

01:12:16   is what I really like to think about the [TS]

01:12:19   heist itself I figure is fait accompli [TS]

01:12:20   sure right we're gonna go and we're [TS]

01:12:23   gonna take the diamonds we're gonna get [TS]

01:12:24   the money the gold whatever well so [TS]

01:12:25   gonna take the pen 1 2 3 we're like [TS]

01:12:27   obviously success is not a guarantee but [TS]

01:12:29   the really interesting part in some ways [TS]

01:12:30   not really interesting but the second [TS]

01:12:31   interesting part is what happens after [TS]

01:12:33   they're done and how they get caught [TS]

01:12:34   because how they get caught part of the [TS]

01:12:36   heist is always a fun part too and [TS]

01:12:38   that's how that's the that's the part of [TS]

01:12:40   the heist an area that I never want to I [TS]

01:12:42   don't want to have under thought it [TS]

01:12:45   right I've got I'm gonna have a plan too [TS]

01:12:47   much so much of the upfront like you get [TS]

01:12:49   the English guy with the bomb in the [TS]

01:12:50   briefcase [TS]

01:12:51   not [TS]

01:12:51   the backend like how do we get to [TS]

01:12:53   Guatemala or what have you that's right [TS]

01:12:54   like you find the guy with the big [TS]

01:12:56   glasses who walks you through a back [TS]

01:12:58   door and there's a passport waiting for [TS]

01:13:00   you anyway last night [TS]

01:13:02   I'm thinking um you know I'm laying in [TS]

01:13:05   bed and I'm like kind of flipping [TS]

01:13:08   through my rolodex of heist stories and [TS]

01:13:11   hallo jumps and just spontaneously I [TS]

01:13:17   don't know where this came from at all I [TS]

01:13:19   it was not intentional I'm lying there [TS]

01:13:21   and all of a sudden I'm driving a bus in [TS]

01:13:25   Ireland huh [TS]

01:13:27   I'm on the wrong you know I'm on the [TS]

01:13:29   left side of the street and I'm in [TS]

01:13:31   Western Ireland so rural coastal Ireland [TS]

01:13:35   and I'm just driving a municipal bus Wow [TS]

01:13:38   and I'm making all my stops and people [TS]

01:13:42   are getting on people are riding my bus [TS]

01:13:45   and they're getting off and I lay in bed [TS]

01:13:50   and drove this bus around Western [TS]

01:13:56   Ireland for I it feels like all night oh [TS]

01:14:00   my god you just clean your route let [TS]

01:14:02   people get on people just just doing my [TS]

01:14:04   route and and there were people that got [TS]

01:14:06   on and recognized that I was a new bus [TS]

01:14:07   driver mmm-hmm [TS]

01:14:09   and there were some small villages where [TS]

01:14:12   the road was very curvy going down a [TS]

01:14:13   hill and I had to maneuver the bus [TS]

01:14:16   through these narrow streets going down [TS]

01:14:18   a very curvy switchback and I did that [TS]

01:14:22   quite well I didn't have any snafus and [TS]

01:14:26   so when I woke up this morning I had a [TS]

01:14:29   you know I woke up kind of early and I [TS]

01:14:30   and I had a little opportunity to go [TS]

01:14:32   back to sleep for a while I call that a [TS]

01:14:34   measly bonus sleep when you get a little [TS]

01:14:36   bonus sleep yeah a little bit of you [TS]

01:14:37   know point after the touchdown type [TS]

01:14:39   situation that's how it was mm-hmm and I [TS]

01:14:42   immediately started driving my bus in [TS]

01:14:44   Ireland against a club back and where I [TS]

01:14:48   go yeah and I just couldn't be happier [TS]

01:14:53   driving this bus [TS]

01:14:56   and it's just like you would think [TS]

01:14:58   you're driving along it's a little bit [TS]

01:14:59   overcast the oceans over there [TS]

01:15:01   little little sort of stone villages [TS]

01:15:04   facing the water and you pull up to the [TS]

01:15:07   stop and there's a lady with her hair [TS]

01:15:09   and a hankerchief carrying two plastic [TS]

01:15:10   grocery bags sure and you stop and she [TS]

01:15:13   gets on let her on the bus and she pays [TS]

01:15:16   her fare she goes back and then I close [TS]

01:15:17   the door and I and I Drive was it I mean [TS]

01:15:20   it's difficult to say by me wasn't a [TS]

01:15:21   pleasant feeling did you enjoy driving [TS]

01:15:23   the bus it was wonderful it sounds nice [TS]

01:15:26   it was really what really - no you're [TS]

01:15:29   rude like it's gonna be nice you get to [TS]

01:15:31   know the people a little bit starts just [TS]

01:15:33   feeling feeling like you're in a groove [TS]

01:15:34   that's what I'm hoping and I and I think [TS]

01:15:37   that you know that it's gonna be unusual [TS]

01:15:38   for them that American is driving their [TS]

01:15:40   bus I think that's going to be a novelty [TS]

01:15:42   once we start chatting once the word [TS]

01:15:45   gets out that the new bus drivers [TS]

01:15:47   American uh-huh no sure I but I'm gonna [TS]

01:15:51   be fine with that I'm you know I enjoy [TS]

01:15:53   that kind of attention sounds kind like [TS]

01:15:54   a say or like a Bill Forsyth movie like [TS]

01:15:57   a fish out of water in the UK type movie [TS]

01:15:59   George on the bus driver John's the sort [TS]

01:16:03   of the bus driver and I feel like I'm [TS]

01:16:04   gonna get to know everybody and I'm [TS]

01:16:05   gonna learn their ups and downs and you [TS]

01:16:08   know they're gonna be that few people [TS]

01:16:10   trust their bus driver bus drivers uh [TS]

01:16:12   A's irregularities like the mailman he's [TS]

01:16:14   somebody you see all the time [TS]

01:16:16   he's a trusted public servant yeah right [TS]

01:16:19   you put your kid on the bus you take the [TS]

01:16:21   kid to school right you you feel you [TS]

01:16:23   feel confident that you're that the bus [TS]

01:16:26   is a safe place so uh so that's my new [TS]

01:16:30   thing and I and I hope I don't this may [TS]

01:16:35   be as maybe the beginning of a new [TS]

01:16:37   chapter for me which part the bus [TS]

01:16:40   well first dreaming about the bus that [TS]

01:16:43   feels important dreaming about driving [TS]

01:16:45   the bus feels very important that [TS]

01:16:48   driving bus dream I mean and uh and I [TS]

01:16:56   think if it if it keeps going I feel [TS]

01:16:58   like you know this is the thing about [TS]

01:17:00   halo jumps and high scenarios they're [TS]

01:17:03   not really I'm probably never going to [TS]

01:17:06   do a halo jump and I'm probably not ever [TS]

01:17:08   going to [TS]

01:17:09   steal a bunch of gold bars but I could I [TS]

01:17:13   could drive a bus in Ireland hmm [TS]

01:17:18   according to dreams cloud.com which I'm [TS]

01:17:22   assuming knows everything about dreams [TS]

01:17:24   um you got the dream of being on a bus [TS]

01:17:27   may suggest you are going along with the [TS]

01:17:28   crowd not taking responsibility dreaming [TS]

01:17:30   of driving the bus may suggest you are [TS]

01:17:32   the leader of your group and the dream [TS]

01:17:34   is providing an opportunity to examine [TS]

01:17:36   your leadership skills and where you're [TS]

01:17:38   taking them paying the fare may be a [TS]

01:17:41   metaphor for the price you are paying [TS]

01:17:42   but you're not paying for you're driving [TS]

01:17:44   the bus I'm driving it and what about [TS]

01:17:46   Ireland king of Ireland well I don't [TS]

01:17:49   know I have Clare what is dreaming of [TS]

01:17:51   Ireland signify I'm sure somebody must [TS]

01:17:53   have talked about it dreaming of our [TS]

01:17:54   lady there's a lot of songs called [TS]

01:17:55   dreaming of Ireland yeah I know I think [TS]

01:17:59   it has to be meaningful I've decided [TS]

01:18:01   it's meaningful yeah I think it is I [TS]

01:18:04   think it is if I mean I'm I'm always [TS]

01:18:07   looking for that that thing where I find [TS]

01:18:10   my duck and maybe that maybe that's it [TS]

01:18:12   we might think about it it's not a halo [TS]

01:18:15   jump but here's the thing is it's like [TS]

01:18:17   it's in a nice somewhat past door ah [TS]

01:18:18   don't be condescending but it's probably [TS]

01:18:20   in a somewhat like pastoral calm setting [TS]

01:18:23   it represents a what do you call it like [TS]

01:18:27   it's it's a job and not only is it a job [TS]

01:18:29   where you have to be there on time [TS]

01:18:30   you got to be places at the job on time [TS]

01:18:32   it sounds like the ultimate grind but in [TS]

01:18:34   fact it's not it sounds like the soul [TS]

01:18:36   wanting some kind of regularity that's [TS]

01:18:38   comfortable not just a grind mm-hmm that [TS]

01:18:42   man talk about a dream buddy whoa that's [TS]

01:18:44   a dream if the sign says the bus got has [TS]

01:18:46   to be there at 10:15 that's not a thing [TS]

01:18:48   that's not a thing that's up open to [TS]

01:18:50   negotiation that's like your only thing [TS]

01:18:51   she got to shop impact she needs to get [TS]

01:18:53   on your bus she does right and the thing [TS]

01:18:55   is I think your thing about about what I [TS]

01:18:58   imagine about Western Ireland is that [TS]

01:18:59   nobody there is striving Yeah right [TS]

01:19:03   nobody's getting on that bus because [TS]

01:19:05   they're going to the local community [TS]

01:19:07   college to get a degree in computer [TS]

01:19:08   science because they want to move to one [TS]

01:19:10   Cupertino Square [TS]

01:19:13   if they are you know they're doing their [TS]

01:19:16   they have some bucolic errands uh [TS]

01:19:21   they've got to move seeds oh you know [TS]

01:19:24   whatever God is they got turf for [TS]

01:19:27   mulches probably uh-huh uh-huh Pete Pete [TS]

01:19:30   old Pete Pete some somebody's got it up [TS]

01:19:34   should be a bus driver name your bus [TS]

01:19:36   driver illegal Pete yeah [TS]

01:19:38   scratchy old cheese the morning mrs. [TS]

01:19:45   Omaha [TS]