Cortex 51: Meeting for Lunch
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hello Mike hi gray I feel like last show
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we really clarified something mm-hmm you
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know what's about to begin
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season two of cortex we did our clip
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show stroke
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looking back on cortex last time and we
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talked about a bunch of things and one
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of them was talking about this idea that
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we you and I are sort of meeting for
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lunch and we're discussing our working
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lives and talking things through and how
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for both of us this is a beneficial
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process
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it's like talking about the thing that
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you're doing helps you do things better
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even if you're not explicitly talking
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about how to make your working life
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better and this is one of these things
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like I find I have this kind of
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conversation with lots of people in my
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life and I feel like this is a learned
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kind of skill but it's it's something
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that almost sounds so banal that people
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don't recognize it as a skill the little
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just thinking in the background about
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how you work and running it over every
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once in a while and thinking about how
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things go and there was a there was a
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particular comment from the reddit that
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I really liked that I felt like summed
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this up and also pointed out the learned
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nature of this skill and it was a
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comment from logic 42 who said the thing
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I've learned from cortex is
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introspection before cortex I just did
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things I didn't think about the process
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of getting things done by simply
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considering the meta problem I began to
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see ways to improve and I feel like I
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feel like that's what we're doing here
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Mike you and I were engaged in the meta
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process and hopefully we're bringing
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listeners along with us on this ride
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and from this comment and the reddit I
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feel like it is evidenced that we are
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accomplishing this thing so you
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mentioned you mention it last time
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mention at this time the idea of of me
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and you just basically having our
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lunches but we've Skype in the middle
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you know where we just sit down and talk
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about the way that we work and that has
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been rattling around in my brain quite a
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lot and I'm thinking about trying to
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find ways to incorporate that that kind
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of process into the show even more than
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mm-hm and one of the reasons is not
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everybody in their lives has this person
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that they're able to talk to so then we
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actually help fulfill that for a lot of
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people I think right like as as is
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pointed out by logic 42 it's just
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sometimes you're just hearing these
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conversations helps people yeah that
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that's what that's a real that's a real
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I don't know I don't know how to explain
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it very well but like I'm not a big
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believer in like the abstract notion of
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like like the self-help section of a
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bookstore right which i think is mostly
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garbage and fraud are' and you say what
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you really think
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luxe tourism right but but I think there
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is like I have found in my own life
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there was there was real value to
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hearing people explaining their thought
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process about why they do a thing and
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I'm aware of like when I listen to
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podcasts that is something I am always
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really interested in it's like oh I want
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to hear somebody explain their reasons
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for doing a thing even if it's like oh
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you have no interest in doing that thing
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or you have no interest in that person
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directly like if there's I think there
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is benefit to being just like exposed to
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this person who's just explaining
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something and I have found that there is
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advantage in hearing someone just like
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talk through their working process which
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then just ends up making me think about
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the way that I do things and the other
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for the other thing that I have I have
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found is is like it is a Taysom what
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rarer skill then I might have first
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imagined in the world like it was a
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thing I was really aware of in
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I working life that I found a lot of my
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colleagues just didn't fall into that
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category of like doing doing that meta
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problem analysis like thinking about why
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things happen as opposed to giving an
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answer like oh we just always do things
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that's why you're like you're just
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sticking with the the first way that a
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thing is being done so that's why I find
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it useful to talk to somebody else like
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yourself and I think that it is it is
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useful to listen to other people doing
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the same thing even if you're not a part
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of that conversation because that's
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something that I have been doing for
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years myself with podcasts about a year
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ago I read this article motherboard
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about professional wrestling podcasts
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and the idea is that and the headline
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says it all really podcasts are group
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therapy sessions for pro wrestling fans
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with the idea being that most people
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that like professional wrestling tend
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not to have somebody else in their life
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that also likes it right right so
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professional wrestling podcasts are so
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popular and they are massively popular
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because these people don't get to talk
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to anybody else about it so they get to
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listen to the podcasts that other people
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make about this stuff ooh and I expect
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that there is a kind of weird similarity
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between those shows on this show and
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that I don't know how many people that
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listen to the show really have somebody
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else in their life that they can talk to
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about their to do system right all right
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but if people get that enjoyment out of
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listening to me and you chat about them
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we have to think we have this very
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similar thing with the pen addict as
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well mm-hmm you know how many people do
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you know in your life that really love
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pens like a very very deep level well
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any and Brad do you know you know it's a
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similar kind of thing yeah it is that's
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definitely the case and like I know
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sometimes when we recording the show I
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have a real feeling of I know that a
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much younger version of myself would
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listen to this show right like I'm aware
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of that as a thing that I feel like
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particularly with the boom of podcast
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like in the last five years
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I feel like this this was not a thing
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that was around particularly like when I
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was a kid was being able to hear people
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just kind of like talk through a bunch
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of stuff and I know like that is
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definitely something I would have
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listened to when I was younger and and
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so that's that's like that's what's
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happening here like we've because I feel
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like sometimes when people describe like
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what that what the show is sometimes
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said like oh it's a Productivity show
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and even right from the start I've
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always felt like that that is never it's
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never quite sat
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or for what this show is but I've never
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been able to figure out a better a
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better way to describe it quickly and
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and we still may not have a good way to
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describe the show quickly but I think
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something about this idea of like this
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open lunch conversation that is around
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the topic of our working lives like that
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that is a more accurate description of
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what the show is and it's really it's
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really like gelled something in my mind
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about what we're doing here and it only
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took 50 episodes to work it out so
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that's pretty good yeah like yeah that's
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the thing like hey listen if you're out
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there and you're starting a podcast let
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this be a lesson to you you may go for
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quite a while before you feel like oh I
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really know what I'm doing here this
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about productivity a little bit just the
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idea of that phrase and what it means
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because in the same way that people
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refer to this shows being a Productivity
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show I think it's it's it was useful for
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me and you to try and explain what we
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actually think that term even really
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means and how it applies to us because
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productivity I think is very frequently
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mixed up with the term of being a
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workaholic mm-hmm and I don't think that
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that that works very well I've never
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considered myself a workaholic because I
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actually don't know if that is being
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productive
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you know like the idea of getting in to
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the office a a.m. and leaving at 7:00
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because you're just so busy mmm that
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never sat with me for me it was always
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about like how can I get out of here at
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5:00 and that was the part that was me
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being productive who's like I need to
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get out of this office as close to five
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o'clock as possible how do I get from
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here at 9:00 a.m. to there at 5:00 that
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more activity for me yeah that was that
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was my exact same thing when I was being
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a teacher what was that like when the
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when the kids go home I want to be going
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home in like 20 minutes after that
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happens
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sprint and it's like I really I really
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do like their there are some there are
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some elements of my personality which
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obviously like you just you just have
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like they've just been with me for
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forever but I think that that part of
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being in the working world really honed
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for me like an informed a particular
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effectiveness in minimum amount of time
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raw output I think I don't know if I've
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the signature printing ink looked as
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real as I could make a signature look by
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document so it looks like I'm signing
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being printed right it's like yeah you
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am I doing here like I'm trying to see
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if anyone will care about this thing
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which doesn't make any difference right
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like is the profile any better if I
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personally sign it no because I've been
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working like I'm working on this thing
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many hours of time that saved me but the
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answer was
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lot where like things would come back
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like oh you haven't signed this or I
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don't have to sit down and do it that to
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me is like a pure example of a
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affect the output at all and decreases
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the amount that I have to do to actually
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get this thing done so when I was
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managing a bank branch I had to sign
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probably more things than you write
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because I'm gonna guess I don't know if
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you know but basically the but the
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branch manager basically puts their
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signature on everything right your a
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signature machine isn't yet they've
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actually hired so I changed my signature
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oh yeah yeah so I just made it this like
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little squiggle as opposed to anything
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that would even slightly resemble my
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name because I was unhappy with the
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amount of time that it would take for me
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to sign everything your kids that is
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productivity right there yeah that is
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what we think for activity is and you
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will not be surprised to hear that I did
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the exact same thing upon becoming a
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teacher very very quickly realized that
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writing out GRE why in a legible way is
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not worth my time septa ball yeah and my
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signature became a recognizable G with a
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line that dipped briefly to like vaguely
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indicate that maybe there's a why here
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and then continued onward and it's like
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yep that's it good enough it's
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identifiable enough when we need to go
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through the paperwork so we know who
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signed what but it's like the minimum
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amount of time I can possibly take is
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like I'm not Precious about my signature
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like the hell with you do you have a
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different signature when you sign
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autographs uh you might not well answer
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that question I don't know
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well the okay so the tricky thing with
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the autographs is I feel I feel
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compelled to include my initials when I
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do the autograph yeah yeah right so it
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it takes long but the the the gray is
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very similar to my teacher signature is
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perhaps a little less stylized because I
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feel I feel like there's there's there's
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a moment of there's a moment of
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importance like when someone has asked
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you to sign a thing like that's a moment
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think about a time on that
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yeah and it's it's it's like a it's also
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like a strange amount of pressure and so
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well I just I just pay more attention
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right where's what I had to sign stuff
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professionally it's like yeah whatever
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like you just need an indication the
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this piece of paper it doesn't need to
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actually look good because I feel like
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signing a thing is a slightly different
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domain area that it has to this look
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better so me and you talking about work
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is not necessarily the same as talking
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about productivity and it's one of the
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reasons that every now and then we talk
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about video games because the
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productivity enables the video games
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right yeah it's the whole thing it's the
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whole piece yeah it's it's like just
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like just like you were saying that you
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want to get at five I wanted to leave as
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soon after the children leave as
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possible it's like the thing the thing
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that has carried through from that is is
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this idea that the work is in service of
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some other goal and my feeling has
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always been like the goal that I am
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aiming for is to build a life that I
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want to live and a life that I want to
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live is is not the same thing as
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producing the maximum number of videos
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that is possible like these things are
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in these things are in conflict it's
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like I want to make videos but I feel
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like all of all of my thoughts around
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work and gradations and the tools we
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talked about and everything we've ever
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done is is a question about effectively
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making videos in a sustainable way in
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the long term and and that's not the
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same thing necessarily as being
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productive in the way that you talk
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about like an economy is productive
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which means like every year the amount
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of copper forged goes up like that's a
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that's a very different way I do think
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it's interesting that people sometimes
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conflate these things and I feel like
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it's it's an interesting thing that is
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sometimes hard hard to can convey is
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this is this idea of like yes I'm very
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concerned with the effectiveness of work
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but that question is not necessarily
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related to the volume of work when you
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see me talking about video games
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you can feel very assured that I have
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been productive right and I feel like
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that statement it could be could be
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written with either our names underneath
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it because it's like if I am able to do
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this it means I've taken care of the
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mmm and and it is like that the
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productivity the idea of getting the
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work done what that is like it is in
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service of that
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mm-hm and it's the that's what year of
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less was mmm and it's what you know I
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I'm six months into my year of less and
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haven't really paid much attention to it
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I was gonna ask about how that was going
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but I am again it popped up in my head
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the other day because I realized that I
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have a much smaller appetite for being a
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part of new projects hmm like relay FM
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can be and is but my involvement my like
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day-to-day direct involvement ie as a
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host who that appetite is going down
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over time so you're talking about your
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desire to do new shows yes mm-hmm
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my problem is my appetite for new ideas
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can never be filled and so I have been
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paying attention to this and doing a
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couple of different things one is I'm
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trying my best to not start new things
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mm-hmm right they're like things pop up
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in my head opportunities come my way and
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I think about them a lot more deeply
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than I would have in the past like and
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if something doesn't feel like a
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complete no-brainer then I I spend more
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time thinking about it like I have spent
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too much time in my career over the last
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seven years of allowing myself to
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completely taken by a whim Lu and some
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of those things have turned out to be
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great and some of them haven't been and
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I need to do a better job and I am doing
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a better job of trying to quantify these
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decisions of a scale that is better than
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just excitement level mm-hmm
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because what I am trying to avoid is an
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inevitable burnout yeah and then a
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slashing of projects because I enjoy all
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of my current projects that's why I do
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them but if I add much more on top of
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that that's going to be a problem so one
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of the other things that I've done to
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prepare myself for this is what I've
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been speaking about for months is that
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getting help
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hmm you know having an assistant now who
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helps me has been a great way to help
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with this because what I'm doing is
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staving off the Burnell with my current
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project level right that's what I've
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done I've secured that so all the stuff
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that I'm currently doing I now feel less
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pressure than I did maybe three or four
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months ago about my current workload
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this is exactly the thing that I was
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going through last year with year of
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less right like is is this exact thing a
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feeling like needing to have more
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specific reasons to pick up a side
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project for example right or needing to
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be able to to take parts of the job and
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try to hand them to somebody else like
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in I want to say before about this idea
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like trying to build a life that you
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want to live like I find it I find it
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really effective when thinking about my
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working life and this has always been
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the case right from the start is the
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most effective thing is to try to
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eliminate or reduce the thing that you
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dislike as opposed to what is often the
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more compelling part which is to add a
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new more exciting thing right and and I
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and I have found that that that is
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definitely held true for me that's like
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time is better invested
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recognising and eliminating or
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outsourcing parts of the business that I
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don't like or that are causing me stress
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like that that is way better for
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building a life that I want to live then
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adding a new thing that I'm super
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excited about like I think excitement is
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almost against it's good it's good to
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have about a project but I think at a
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certain point when you you have a bunch
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of things that are successful it can
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quickly become a kind of I don't know
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like a red herring that you're always
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chasing is like excitement alone at a
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certain point does not become enough to
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justify working on a thing when you're
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already working on a whole bunch of
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things like you have to start thinking
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about stuff in a in a much more ruthless
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way I actually have a related I'll score
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text question so jason wrote in about
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side projects to say do they get really
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bored or distracted and find themselves
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moving on to something new
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very constantly before finishing current
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projects leaving behind like a trail of
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unfinished things mm-hm
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so Jason asks do you have any tips for
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getting over the slump that comes after
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the initial excitement now the reason I
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find these two things to be connected is
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the last six months or so you wanted one
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about with my balance is to find
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excitement in existing projects so to
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to do and to find things within those
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projects to make exciting to find new
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experiences or new ways of thinking
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about something that I'm currently doing
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or shaking something up like I have been
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of rebranding shows and repackaging
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shows if I have gotten tired of a show
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format to like shake it up give it a new
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name give it a new coat of paint and
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give myself the ability to kind of jump
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so like I have in the past like I used
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to do this interview show every week
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right I think it had four different
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names over it's like three or four year
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career because it was like a way for me
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to give something a kickstart again and
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to kind of push forward right and and so
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I it's really difficult to find these
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things but it's just something that I've
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been trying to pay more and more
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attention to to like take the projects
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that work really well and add new stuff
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to it as a way to try and keep me
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interested in and invested yeah when we
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related to the the other part of the
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question about you know how do you how
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do you not have a graveyard of on
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unfinished things as I well we all have
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graveyards of unfinished things like I
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have I have a graveyard of unfinished
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things the vast Josie's bigger than most
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unfinished things it's it's enormous but
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but one of the things I measure is
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thinking about you know changes that I
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made last year about being more ruthless
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with the kind of projects that I take on
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and what I feel really good about is in
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the last you know since starting the
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year of less I have gotten way better at
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what ends up in that graveyard like I
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feel better about those projects as
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opposed to taking on a bunch of stuff
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that's even if it worked out would have
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just continued to add to my workflow so
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I think one of the biggest things that
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has made it made a huge difference for
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me is is like thinking about new
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projects they have they have to be in
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completed so that they are finished at a
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particular date
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things that can be handed off largely to
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some but somebody else or things that
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add an extremely minimal amount of work
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for a very good payoff and it's like
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when I look at my graveyard of
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unfinished things those projects are
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much more in in that domain than they
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are like oh let me start up a whole
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brand new thing which would give me a
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whole brand new job to do if it turns
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out to be successful so there is a way
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to think about the quality of the things
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going into the graveyard not just the
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number of tombstones that are there it's
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like what is buried matters as opposed
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to just the fact that a thing was buried
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happened I think it's crazy to try to
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avoid to avoid that like and there's
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also there's also the side effect of
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like you just don't know where things
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are going to go sometimes and thinking
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about my my current year right here of
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redirection like I am really happy with
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a bunch of the decisions that I have
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made about how to how to run my business
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this year have directly led to having a
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bunch of free time to be able to noodle
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around with projects that may or may not
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turn into anything but I feel like I
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have a better ability to dedicate a
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bunch of time to a thing that seems
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interesting even if I'm not exactly sure
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where it's going to go and and to just
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evaluate it a little bit before thinking
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about it really seriously so it's it's
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it's a it's a hard it's a hard thing to
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to answer but I do think the graveyard
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of unfinished things is is important to
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keep growing you just need to be mindful
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about how it is growing like what kinds
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of things are going in there like are
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things going in there that like let's be
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honest you were never really going to do
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are like oh like that that Mandarin
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course right you got Rosetta Mandarin
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and you were going to learn that like
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was that really going to happen probably
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not like that doesn't seem like a good
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project so how much value you extracting
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from live streaming your truck
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because you know you talk about minimal
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work I know you spent a significant
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amount of time attempting to
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troubleshoot that thing okay okay all
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right is it I think I think this is
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actually mean right no no you're not
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being me you're not be mean I think this
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is this is a great example because like
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let me take a moment to explain
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something that is probably not obvious
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to the people who are watching the
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streaming so the streaming that has been
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happening in the last couple of weeks is
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totally 100% an example of me changing
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things to have more free time to be able
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to dump a bunch of time in a very narrow
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window into a single project which is
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like I'm gonna figure out how to stream
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right which turned out to be more of a
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technical challenge tonight than I
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expected it would be right but the whole
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way this started is like I can actually
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point I can actually point to the exact
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video which is Hank green of vlog
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brothers and VidCon and crash course and
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a million things very productive ma'am
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yeah he's like the Richard Branson of
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the Internet's he just can't stop
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creating new things Hank did have a
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video on his on his personal Channel
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Hanks channel where he was just going
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through some of the statistics for the
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YouTube channels that he runs they were
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just like talking talking through this
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and I thought like oh this is this is
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exactly the kind of thing I'm really
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interested in to see a little bit of the
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data behind somebody else's business and
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I went to go watch it and the thing that
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kicked off my whole streaming was
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watching him in the very first few
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minutes just simply setting up what he
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was going to do was a live stream
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because he didn't pre record that video
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he was just going to go through it live
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and like take questions from people in
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the comments and talk about some stuff
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and as dumb as this ask is like okay so
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I am a person who is not watch streams
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I'm not really into streaming I feel
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like I never really got it but I was
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watching him do the pre setup and
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something about that suddenly clicked
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where I could see before the show
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was quote ready he was obviously using
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some kind of software to arrange all the
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windows just the way he wanted to put a
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little overlay on it so that it looked
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nice and it's the simplest thing in the
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world but it was a thing that suddenly
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clicked in my head of like ah okay I had
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somehow always thought that streaming
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was simply recording the computer screen
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as you're looking at it which always
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seemed like a huge hassle from my
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perspective but seeing that like oh
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there's a tool to set this up what I
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found about that was like I I don't know
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when I don't know where I don't know how
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but something about this feels like a
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skill that I should add to my repertoire
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of things that I can do on the Internet
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and this is like I feel like my whole
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career is based on trusting some
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instincts in my brain like recognizing a
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certain kind of interest and and this
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was definitely one of those things of
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realizing like I don't know where when
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this might be useful but I think it
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would be good to know how to stream so
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that if I ever want to do it I don't
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have to at that moment invest several
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days in messing around with the software
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and figuring out how to make everything
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look right and getting it all done and
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so the truck streaming project wall is
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partly just fun and interesting to try
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to do the truck streaming one of the
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main purposes of that project is I want
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to have another tool in my tool belt I
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don't necessarily have a purpose for it
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now but I have a gut feeling that maybe
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at some point I will want to know how to
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do this and and be able to do it
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immediately and I'm like I'm investing
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that time now this is so funny to me why
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because what you had watching Hank is
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what I have watching you so when I saw
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you doing it I'm realized like you were
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talking about the tools that you were
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using mm-hmm
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I then realized oh this isn't what I
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thought it was right I could do that
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look that's how
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Arius I cut that's so funny cuz like I
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it's been in my head I can't get out of
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my head like I keep I keep looking at
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these like streaming boxes and stuff
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and I just want to show everybody how I
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play Zelda right but this is this is a
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perfect example of you know last year
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gray wouldn't really have had the time
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to guilt free just do this at like and I
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know I'm always mentioning side projects
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like there's a bunch of stuff that
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people just don't see like this is two
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of the things I'm working on which like
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people just don't see but this is an
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example of a thing that people can see
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but I just don't think it's I think a
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lot of people watching it aren't aware
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of like what is what is it that I'm
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doing here and and this is what I'm
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doing I'm intentionally trying to add a
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skill to the list of things that I can
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do on the Internet okay and as as a
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self-employed person who like cobbles
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together a bunch of skills to to make it
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work together in a productive way like
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this just seems to me like a skill that
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I should definitely have ready to go
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even if I'm not using it intensely at
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any particular moment I think anybody
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that is self employed should or does
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have this about them especially if you
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work in a creative space because at any
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point the thing that you do could go
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away yeah and having a vast skill set
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which you can apply to other things is
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very important it is the reason that I
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started making YouTube videos yeah but
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yeah that's it that's exactly that's a
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great comparison right as you just you
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want to be aware of other things and the
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other thing as well as like aside from
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just trying to figure out technically
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how to do a thing there was a real part
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of my brain which just felt like I don't
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understand streaming on the Internet as
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in I don't really understand why people
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watch streams I don't understand really
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what's going on on the streams it's just
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is it was just outside of my domain of
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expertise but I also think like this
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business in the future
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don't think it's legitimate Mike because
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you riled them up it doesn't matter they
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they needed to know first and once I let
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want to know why you left the iPhone se
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and went back to the iPhone 7 I just
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want to again get it on record here that
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I feel like you fomented a mob right
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that's that's what you did last time I
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think that it's really unfair for you to
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refer to our listeners that way to turn
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this around all I'm doing I'm just
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trying to provide them with some
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information to let them choose you know
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we didn't hear from anyone that
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specifically said they didn't want to
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hear about this yeah yeah yeah that's
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cuz that's who that's who you hear tons
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from is the people who don't want to
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hear about a thing if they really don't
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want to know tell you you know that's
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enough they don't you never you never
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get the people who say no if I feel like
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the silent majority they're not being
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represented here but I know Mike I feel
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like um I feel so hesitant to tell the
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story because I feel like it's a tale of
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woe right a tale of woe and there have
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been many tales of woe about Apple stuff
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that is probably why I just I sort of
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haven't wanted to talk about it so I
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don't I don't know where to begin how
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long ago did you move away from the
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iPhone se uh okay so it was it was
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actually like days before you spotted me
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using the iPhone 7 cult you know okay if
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you want to use the word caught if you
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want to frame this in a particular way
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you go right ahead
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well all I remember is the look on your
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face when I asked you what that was
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and you just looked at me and you said
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you didn't want to talk about it in your
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pocket no no don't you don't you jealous
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I'm all teary that is and then we didn't
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see you again for the rest of the
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weekend no just to be clear
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Mike is full of lies and nothing
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happened at the Google conference there
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what actually happened is I was just
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using it in front of him
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and he asked me about it I was like I
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don't want to get into it now and then
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whatever this is
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six months later I still have to get
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into it I just want to let our listeners
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know that this has been something that I
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have been trying to get great to talk
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about for six months now every now and
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then it's just sat in our show document
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little line that says I'm not ready to
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talk about this yet but clearly some
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timers heal all wounds well no I mean
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we're getting up to new iPhone season so
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if we don't talk about it like we'll
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have wasted a topic right that's that's
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what's that's what's happened also
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there'll be like a confusion gap when
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the other yeah yeah there'll be a
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confusion gap okay so I guess I guess
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the place to start is like what did i do
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what did I do
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what was my initial reasoning here right
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redirection
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call it was your new I think maybe we
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thought what was seems like you yeah
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which was get the wrong name in every
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sense yeah the exact opposite of what I
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also call a year of more yeah yeah
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exactly you're more by which I will
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actually be doing less I mean more or
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less right yeah in the year of less what
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did I do more I did more more than I've
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ever done like but you have to
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understand the way I mean these words
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people uh but so anyway looking forward
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list was more traveling in a bunch of
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different ways more more traveling both
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for personal reasons and more traveling
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for business
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reasons and that is definitely something
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that has happened as I anticipated like
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last six to eight months then I've been
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on in the past many years in the last
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six months maybe in the last year I have
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seen you more overseas than in London I
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said yeah you know what I think you're
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right yeah I think I think you are
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totally right about that yeah I do not
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think that is an exaggeration um so yeah
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I don't always mention it on on podcast
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buts like I've done more traveling than
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I thought I make reference to and I was
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thinking about this and part of my like
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about traveling for me is a kind of
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range anxiety about the batteries in the
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devices that I use I feel like so much
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of my life is just spent around managing
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batteries yeah and it's getting like it
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I've crossed some kind of threshold
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where there's just so many batteries to
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worry about it drives me crazy it is by
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far and away one of my biggest
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complaints about technology in the
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modern world yeah is battery management
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what's the minimum number of wires that
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I can take that will cover all of these
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devices and it's it's it's frustrating
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particular the device that you do not
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want to die on you while you're
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traveling is the phone what this does
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the most important thing that you want
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to keep alive and basically what I was
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thinking of is like I wanted to try the
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iPhone 7 with the battery pack because
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since ever since the the iPhone the the
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remember where they came out with the
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battery pack which I think you actually
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showed me first on this podcast someone
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seen it yeah yeah that's what it was I
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hadn't seen it and I was expecting
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abject horror from
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you but you have but you were very
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interested in it yeah I was very
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interested in it and I was super annoyed
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they didn't make it for the the six plus
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time so ever since that came out when my
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wife and I go traveling she uses her
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phone with the battery pack and I've
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always been hugely impressed by how long
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her phone lasts even when she's doing
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some intensive pokey hunting as we're
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traveling around the world right it's
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like look like you got to catch them all
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Mike that was also mindful I think so I
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that and I feel like I have terrible
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luck with iPhone batteries like my
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iPhone it just it feels like it never
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lasts as long as it should I feel like I
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barely use my phone and it makes it
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through half the day and if I'm
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traveling and I've mentioned this to you
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in a numerous times like if I'm going to
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Amsterdam right or if I'm flying I swear
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to god it's like the battery just drops
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like a rock I feel like I'm not touching
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you like I put you in low-power mode
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straight away I've just left you in my
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pocket like I'm specifically not
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touching you phone and it's like it just
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just drops the battery just dropped so
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fast it's a huge frustration I have a
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suspicion that it's related to low
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signal but that's what the phone that's
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what's causing the problem is there's
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lots of situation with the signal is low
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in the battery just drops yeah that that
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is like the most surefire way to destroy
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a phone battery is when it's searching
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for a network yeah like I'm sitting on a
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train and I can feel it warm in my
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pocket and it's like what are you doing
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phone is like oh you're you're switching
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cell carriers every every five minutes
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you know it's like just even around
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London like even just today I had a like
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a very normal morning where I barely
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used the phone and I got home at noon
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and the battery was down to 50% as like
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oh right but I spent some time in some
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low signal areas like it's just an
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endless frustration and it's
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particularly bad on traveling so I
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thought you know what I'm gonna do I'm
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gonna try to use the iPhone 7 with the
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battery pack because if I'm if I'm
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traveling a bunch this is really
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important to me to not lose the battery
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this doesn't feel like enough well let
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me just like the thing I've been
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interested to see is like because I've
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been going to some conferences I'm aware
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of like how much more the phone really
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matters a conference
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in ways that I wouldn't have expected
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like it's interesting just to go now
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you're totally right is is this enough
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there's a few other things that have
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happened one of the primary things
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that's happened which I really don't
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want to get into it like I feel like
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there's so many stories here but like I
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just don't want to get into all of them
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so we're going to try to move past some
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things but one of them is one of the big
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reasons why I moved down to the iPhone
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se was also if you remember I had taken
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up running around that time and running
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with a plus-size phone is like a total
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deal-breaker it's a it's a real pain in
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the butt to have a plus-size phone can
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literally be a pain in the butt it can
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literally be a pain like I'm on my
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running gear the only pocket like the
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leasts are the least uncomfortable
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pocket is like a pocket on the back and
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then it is literally a pain in the butt
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you can't fit with us nowhere to live no
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there's no way to live so I switched out
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to BSE is like a huge advantage while
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running like enormous advantage while
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running now and I was running three
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times a week up again like story I don't
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want to get into I eventually decided
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like I had give running enough of the
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try and realized I hate you running I
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thought this is not for me this is no
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story you need to explain to me there is
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of all physical exertion running is my
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least favorite like I hate running up a
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passion there is I don't understand how
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anybody enjoys it my brother just ran
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the London Marathon oh I enjoyed it yeah
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and I don't understand how that is a
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thing that is possible for a human to to
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experience I just can't I just called
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out yeah so it's like I wanted to give
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it a fair try I felt like I gave it a
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fair try and could reasonably come to
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the conclusion that like this is not for
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me I don't like so happy cuz I really
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was annoyed that you were running I
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never mentioned it but I hate it why did
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you hate it I just felt like of everyone
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that I know you would be the person that
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would also not like running well guess
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you're right I'm so happy to hear this
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so I switch running for the exercise I
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vastly prefer which is cycling and so
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it's like okay
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in cycling like you're on a bike it's a
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whole different equipment set up right
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you have you like baskets to hold things
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there's like you're bringing equipment
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with you you have them like it's just a
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totally different set up and so that
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like cycling well you know I can't win
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every time with you Mike but so that was
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the case we're like the SE it didn't
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matter so much I thought like I'm gonna
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give I'm gonna give the seven to try and
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what I was what I wanted to also try was
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if I just use this with the battery pack
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all the time right not just for
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traveling if I just use it with the
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battery pack can I get used to the
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physical size that I don't like does the
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battery pack make it big enough in my
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hands that it's not uncomfortable to use
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and so like that that's what I wanted
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that's what I wanted to try I still feel
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like there is an important part of this
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though oh oh yeah there is sorry there
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is there is one more thing okay there is
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one more thing which I will straight up
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acknowledge is a kind of personality
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flaw with me but is the thing like I
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recognize about myself and the thing
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that I recognize is if I'm using
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something and I feel like that thing has
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no future I have a very hard time
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continuing to use it okay and I became
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more and more convinced that I was just
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using a dead phone what about it being
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old it was that - that play into it you
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were using an old product the oldest
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like I know you will think that that is
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the the factor but that is very minor
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factor it's it's much more that I just
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kept being convinced like I don't think
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Apple is ever going to make a phone in
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this size again okay
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didn't want to get too used to again
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yeah that was kind of it like I I loved
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that phone but it was it just kept
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niggling in the back of my mind that
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it's like well like this phone is
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already dead right in my hands like I'm
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just I'm like I'm like a sucker holding
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on to a bygone era
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and like this is this is a part of my
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personality which again like sometimes
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I'll recognize that it can be a flaw and
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sometimes it is amazing but it's like I
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just I cannot look backward like I have
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a really hard time with that and even if
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something in the present feels like in
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the future it will be backward I'm like
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now this I can't I can't deal with this
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cuz you know the whole time I'm sitting
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here thinking like there is a myriad of
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battery cases that would fit the iPhone
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okay so slight other thing I had already
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tried doing a whole bunch of battery
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cases with the SE and all of them had
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various frustrations and a long story
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short none of them worked as well as the
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battery case on the seven not not even
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close so I use battery cases I had used
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battery case on the SE while traveling
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and they were better than nothing
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but so the conclusion of this is like
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okay so I tried these various reasons I
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got the seven I got the battery case and
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my experience of it was this battery
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case is glorious because it finally
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takes the phone into like what that what
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the Apple watch is where it's like I
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don't ever have to really think about
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this as long as I plug it in for some
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amount of time once in the day I never
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have to think about what the battery is
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on this phone and over time that case
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for me like now I am used to it the way
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it looks when I see it because initially
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it was like one of the ugliest things
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I've ever seen Apple make because it's
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like this hump on the back of the phone
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mm-hmm I have also since held one mmm
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and it is really a tale of function over
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form it is stupid to have this just like
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a hump on the back of the phone for many
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reasons I think it looks really weird
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and like you put it down on the table
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and you press something in on the phone
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that it flips over when you're holding
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it in your hand like you rest your hand
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kind of around the bump and it actually
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is really nice to hold and it doesn't
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feel like how a lot of these battery
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cases feel where you feel like you've
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doubled the thickness of your phone yeah
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yeah that's the other problem is like
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apples using a lot of their own
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integration
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and they're able to pull a bunch of
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tricks part of which is that they're
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using the female lightning connector on
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the bottom which is a huge win again
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because if talking about battery
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management is like the number of cable
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if I can make the number of cables less
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this is a win it's like if I can avoid a
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microUSB that's fantastic
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like I don't want to have to have one of
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these yeah that sucks it's a real
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annoyance but I have I have just nothing
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but tremendous praise for the battery
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case for the seven and it to me it feels
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like what the battery of a phone should
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be which is I can even with reasonably
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heavy use on a travel day expect that
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this phone will make it till the end of
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the day without being plugged in which I
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just I don't feel like that's a lot to
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ask but I know that with modern phone
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design it apparently is yeah they would
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do it if they could yeah everyone wants
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this everybody knows this like but there
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they just whatever all funds seem to not
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really be able to provide it
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yeah now the other thing which again
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this is for my personality in particular
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is I I might over value wins that take
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something off my mental plate and so
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feeling like I never have to think about
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the battery of this phone is such an
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outsized win in my mind it's hard to
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explain it's the same way like with you
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know with the Apple watch it's like the
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fact that I never have to think about
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this that sometimes I have I have worn a
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watch for two days in a row without even
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charging it it's like it's such a win
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that I don't have to think about it I
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love that and especially with battery
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management I totally love it so on a
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number of different travelling occasions
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all of which happened in very rapid
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succession after you saw me and Ireland
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with seven I was using the 7 I was like
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this battery case is amazing this this
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is fantastic this is this is really
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great but here's the thing like I tried
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so hard I tried so hard to like the size
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of the 7 with the battery case making it
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a little bigger
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but I just couldn't I just couldn't
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I find that sighs for me it is the
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physically wrong size it's uncomfortable
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to use over a long period of time it's
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not small enough to use one-handed it's
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too small to use two-handed it doesn't
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turn sideways so that I can use it two
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handed oh my god just slowly slowly
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drove me crazy he doing what I think
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you're doing right now and I I had to
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let it go and so you don't you don't
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know what I'm doing but I'm using this
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seven plus now yes because that was the
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only place - gasps I know you get it I
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know you're happy about you Zack to me
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this is I didn't expect it to go this
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way no one do you have one to talk to me
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about it you know it's really funny Mike
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I have used the seven plus in front of
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you and you've never noticed because
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it's the correct natural human being
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phone it's like I have I have hidden
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nothing from you I just there was a
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couple of times when I was using this
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the seven in front of you and you just
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you just didn't pick up on it so I just
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I thought that was funny but but yeah
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it's like I tried like I have never
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tried as hard as I tried to really like
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the seven with the battery case like I
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just I desperately wanted to really like
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it but I just I just couldn't get over
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the physical uncomfortableness of that
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size for me and that but this is why
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like I feel like this is this this tale
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of woe right of like where am I going in
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this product line they're their main
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product line it's like physically
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uncomfortable for me like I just don't
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like it
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they have two other sizes with both of
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which I do like like I still really like
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the plus but but each of these have
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other disadvantages that their main line
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of phone doesn't have so which is it's
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just frustrating I feel like I don't
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have a really good home in this line
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because I'm using I'm using the seven
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plus but that actually doesn't get very
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much better battery life than the S II
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did like if you look on the battery life
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tests there are many times at the S II
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because even though the battery is way
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bigger the screen is also way bigger
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right which drain out the battery it's
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and it's like I'm back in the same
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position of when I'm traveling having to
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do the mental management of battery on
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this phone and it's just frustrating
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like I was on a trip recently and I was
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just aware like I was out I was taking a
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walk like in a city and I was having a
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really nice time but I was also we're
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like oh my phone is down at 5% on low
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battery mode I've thrown it into
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airplane mode and I need to make sure
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that I have enough battery to get me
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back when I'm done with walking around
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right and it's like I hate that I hate
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having to pay attention to it I hate the
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way that Apple does the low-power mode
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where you have to manually turn it on so
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if you miss it like you can burn through
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the last bit of your battery like I just
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I find it very very frustrating it's
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like I wish I wish they would make a
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battery case with a bigger phone but
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they don't and yeah
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so that's that's why I mic I feel like
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it's a big tale of woe is connected to
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everything in my life and that's and
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that's where we are but I know that at
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least you're going to be happy that I'm
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using the 7 plus there is a lesson to be
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learned here gray what is that lesson
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like that when Mike was right he remains
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that way oh yeah yeah is that the lesson
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to be learned here yep I don't know if
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that's a lesson like I think it is hmm I
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just you know I just like you know I'm
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sure the listeners can hear my voice
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like I'm I'm genuinely frustrated and
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this is all the other like big thing
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this is connected to which I feel like I
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barely even want to mention but is these
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rumors that like the next the next
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iPhone they're their flagship phone is
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going to be the same size as the current
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7 and maybe there's another generation
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of like 7s that symbolize like I just I
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just feel frustrated with maybe the way
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that this is going to go like I'm
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worried about what their next phone is
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going to be if it's the same size as the
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7 so that's that's also why I feel like
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I might even here just have some kind of
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stay of execution with the plus size
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phone I don't know I really I struggle
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to understand why you find that 7 size
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so uncomfortable though like I just
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think it's it's it's not worth it I just
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figure you may as well go to the top
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right you know because I just think it
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the most sense to go with the plus foam
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over the regular size one I just think
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that you get a lot everything that you
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get you get more of the kind of just
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think that it makes to me just makes so
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much more sense but like you seem
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much more sense but like you seem
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to have this like real anti like
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visceral anti reaction to the size of
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that phone in in a way that I don't
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think I fully understand I mean one of
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the places I feel at the most intensely
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is with the keyboard like I'm really
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just aware the keyboard when I'm typing
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it's just a little too big to
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comfortably type with one hand right and
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then when I bring my other hand over to
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it's now too small
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well I mean you know the solace that you
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may get from this new phone is
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apparently the screen will be a similar
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size to the plus just in a smaller body
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so stuff like that it might not feel too
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bad you'll have more screen real estate
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to actually use both hands with I feel
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like I need to see a 7 plus overlaid on
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a 7 to understand the relative size of
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these things because I'm like I've been
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reading all of the articles about like
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what what the new size might be industry
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like isn't it just a taller screen it's
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not actually a whole lot wider and say
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well that's that's not that doesn't help
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anything you can actually get this
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experience now you can go to a phone
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store and try the Galaxy S a similar
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dimensions hmm I might actually do that
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just just to let my mind rest a little
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bit about this like there's that the two
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sizes they're both like smaller than the
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iPhones but they have bigger screens and
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both of them hmm I might literally do
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that this whole shoes whole bunch of
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like galaxies um
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pop-up stores all around London they're
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ever lettest yeah they're everyone they
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are everywhere to get you to go in and
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try out the phone like you can't you
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can't walk around without them I get
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scared every time I leave the house now
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I'm gonna return home with one it's a
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real fear that I have whenever I go into
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central London I'm I do my very best to
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avoid the coffin warehouse I just can't
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go near it
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because I see it I get sucked in the
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only time I went to look at one and have
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held one was when they weren't for sale
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but they had them in the stores and well
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I can't buy one right now so this is
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safe I love that design man yeah no it
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looks good it looks good but like that I
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just I'm just concerned I'm concerned
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about where this is going in the future
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and edges
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because I feel like I'm set I'm
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sensitive to that size I'm like extra
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worried I'm extra worried that that I've
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just again like bought myself to stay of
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execution I hope you're happy now
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you've been on this like vision quest of
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device to device to device a trail of
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sadness uh-huh there is like you know we
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were talking earlier about this
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graveyard of ideas there must be some
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graveyard of iPhones somewhere like what
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what even happened to all these funds
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they like in in use in various ways
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playing different sound effects remember
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at your house or something like well
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that's ridiculous Mike oh right yeah yep
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yep who would have who would have use
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for three phones no nobody nobody would
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have use for three phones now for on the
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other hand the iPhone the iPhone 7 went
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on to someone who could use it so that
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is that is gone but no the SE the multi
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phone lifestyle Bessie has ended up
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filling a very interesting role
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in my life now several shows ago people
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were asking why the hell don't you just
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use two phones you idiot
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alright that's like if you have the if
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there's things you like about one and
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don't like by the other like just used
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to and my frustration is there's no way
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software wise to use two phones if
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you're all in on the Apple ecosystem
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health data is locked to a single phone
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and Apple watches are locked to a single
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phone so if you want to try to use two
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phones and you're also tracking your
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health and use an Apple watch it's just
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a it's just a total non-starter because
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data and notifications are not going to
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seamlessly move back and forth between
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the two of them but I found an
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interesting an interesting sort of case
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that has worked out quite nicely because
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while I've been using the the plus and I
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do like a lot of the advantages of the
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plus like the bigger screen is nice
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particularly for reading ebooks like it
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is nice to have that out and about but
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the place I didn't like the Plus very
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much is in the house because if I have a
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phone in my pocket like it's still a big
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phone right whenever you sit down I'm
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always really aware of it physically
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like in my pocket and if I would take it
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out I would sort of lose it around the
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house because I didn't remember where I
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was putting it down and so I don't have
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a day phone and a night phone but I have
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ended up with a house phone and an
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outdoor phone because here's the thing
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when I'm in the house the seven-plus
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sits on a little charger and all of the
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notifications that I would get from the
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seven-plus through my Apple watch all of
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that stuff still works like all of the
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fussy way that I have set up the phone
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to notify me when I want with particular
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like with a particular watch setup all
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of that still works because the phone is
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in the house on the Wi-Fi connected to
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the watch and then I can just use the SE
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as a little pocket phone right for in
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the house and this this is fantastic
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because now it doesn't take up a whole
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bunch of space
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I can still use it to control all the
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lights in my house I can use it to send
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back a quick text message to someone if
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I need to like all of all of the useful
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stuff that you would use a phone for in
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your house I can use little se for which
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I totally love a little se for it it's
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perfect for that so now now the routine
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is when I come home I simply just swap
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the phones the seven plus goes on the
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charger and I take off the SE and the SE
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is the house phone and the seven plus is
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the outdoor phone so I'm still using
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both of them and I still really like
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both of them each is adapted to a
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perfect ecological niche now you gave
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only two use cases there so I mean might
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be to dig into this a little bit more
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you said if I need to send back a quick
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reply to a message I need to filter all
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my lights hmm
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you can do both of these extremely
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adequately with your watch you can use
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the home app or the home complication to
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control the lights or you can ask Siri
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and you can also send canned responses
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speak into the watch or draw on the
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watch to say yeah you can send canned
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responses but there's tons of like I
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have OmniFocus to set up on the little
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phone like I have I have a whole bunch
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of the normal stuff that I would use now
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it works on the watch but not for
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entering have you ever tried to actually
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enter something complicated on the watch
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with OmniFocus like good luck with that
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all right
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also the Notes app which I use all the
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time to just capture some thoughts like
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there's a tons of stuff that the phone
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does yeah but like that's useful with a
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little keyboard like the watch is not
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replacing that from what you've
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mentioned me and then the show in the
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past you don't like live in a manor
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house no we have three rooms with the
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amount of iPads that I know that you own
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surely there is never a device out of
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reach there are times when there is a
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device out of reach like if I'm in the
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kitchen is particularly the case where
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like there's not an iPad Within Reach
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in the kitchen right that is by far and
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away the time that is most useful to
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have the phone there in a kitchen iPad
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no no we don't need a kitchen knife at
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that's crazy talk like oh right that's
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sorry that's crazy talk I've pushed it
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too far yeah you have pushed it too far
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I find it is just more convenient
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sometimes to have a device in the pocket
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to respond to certain kinds of things or
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to make notes of certain kinds of things
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so I find it really useful I like it for
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that there's also a way
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which that little phone I have just set
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up to be default connected to some of
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the speakers in our house then also just
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uses like a little podcast machine for
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when I'm playing podcasts around the
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house I really like it as this as this
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smaller device to just have with me to
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do a few minor things and then I don't
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have to have the big bulky seven plus in
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my pocket when I'm walking around the
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house all the time I'm telling you Mike
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you're thinking I'm ridiculous now but
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I'm just gonna wait just gonna wait
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until you have a house Knoll outdoor
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phone I followed you down the multipad
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lifestyle yeah you thought that was
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crazy look who's laughing now
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no there is no realm in wit now I really
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don't think this is gonna happen either
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I just love it if it did I I like really
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don't like any iPhone sighs other than
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the plus ya and the so then I would have
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to that doesn't make I mean I wouldn't
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have to put that there's no point right
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right yeah uh this this one this is a
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bridge too far for me this one I'm
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afraid this is a bridge too far for just
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about anyone I think it should be as
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well yeah that this is basically me
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solving the problem of I don't like
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having the big phone in my pocket but I
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also still want a phone in my pocket
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when I'm in the house I don't know about
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this one gray I'm not sold on this okay
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I am I am genuinely not trying to sell
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you on this I know you know I am I am
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not trying to sell anyone on this just
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to be clear I can really see why you
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didn't want to talk about all of this
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now cuz you've had to let me win again
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with with the superior phone sighs I'm
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actually totally fine having you having
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you win on this one with the with the
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big bust size it's it's just like I feel
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like this is connected to everything in
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my like there's so much we haven't even
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discussed here that I felt like mentally
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exhausted discussing this at all it's
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like so many so many rabbit holes we
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could go down to great we can come back
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to this another time then no no we don't
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need to go down this again okay that's I
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mean maybe we will when the next fella
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comes out no I'm sure they'll be a lot
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there'll be a lot of that come September
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will there be anything to discuss with
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found surely not there enough surely not
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neveress let's end our productivity show
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talking a little bit about America truck
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simulator again ooh
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everyone's favorite segment struck time
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the point of all work is to drive a
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pretend truck ultimate so it makes sense
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that at the end of the show we get there
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right like that's that's it
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listen to the show Stephen wrote in to
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let me know I didn't know this that
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apparently there is beta support for VR
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and American Truck Simulator did you
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know about this oh yeah of course I know
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about that I didn't know about this it
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has been around for a while and it's
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pretty buggy but it does work mm-hmm now
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that is a it's just an increasingly more
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intriguing aspect of this game to be
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completely immersed in it you know that
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it feels like it's just an added level
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yeah look I don't know when I don't know
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how but at some point in some way I'm
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gonna be driving an imaginary truck in
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VR like this like this is coming this is
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in my future I sent this to you today I
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saw this on the verge this this gaming
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PC called the Corsair one which is very
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intriguing to me I didn't get a chance
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to look at this super properly I'm
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guessing that it's essentially a Windows
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PC that's set up to be like a game
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console is that what it is that's
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exactly what it is so it is small and it
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has everything and you buy all in one
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package so again I apologize to all the
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PC gamers in the audience because I
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cannot imagine how hard they're rolling
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their eyes to the idea that this is the
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PC that intrigues us like the one that
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is created to being not that right like
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that it is made to be like a games
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console but this is finally like the PC
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that makes I think the most sense for me
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if I was going to go down this route
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like it is a PC that is designed in part
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to be put on a desk mmm like it is it is
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I think a little bit taller but similar
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ish dimensions to the Mac Pro woohoo and
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I'm very intrigued by this because like
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as I said like one of the things that I
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really didn't want
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was to have a big box for this stuff and
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this is not going to be the most
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powerful PC I get that but like I think
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that this looks to me like it a little
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bit of reading about it it looks to me
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like the best middle ground for a lot of
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this stuff yeah I haven't had a chance
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to look at super fully I'm just glancing
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at the at the website now and going
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through some of this stuff I can say I
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have not been more tempted by any PC in
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the last 15 years than this one
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Yeah right like this this looks like oh
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well well hello Corsair one yeah cuz it
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looks the styling is not too much it
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looks like a games console in styling
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mmm but just the idea that it is so
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we've both done this right like we mean
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you have spent quite a bit of time just
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like looking at what is available in the
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PC gaming market yeah and my biggest
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problem is I just don't know what I'm
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looking for building a PC there's no
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there's no way to cut it like it's just
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a bigger deal than buying a Mac my
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buying a Mac is like guess what you've
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got a couple options and you know what
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just to get because like I remember when
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I used to build PCs and buy pcs it's
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like you need to know a bunch of stuff
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and this feels like exactly what I'm
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looking for us like look I just you just
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make it for me put it in a cylinder I
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want to think about this thing as little
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as possible alright like what what I
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want to do is be able to turn this on
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and boot into steam as fast as possible
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yep that's that is my goal here and I
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don't want to have to have an entire
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room in my house set up with like a
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whole other set up like this just this
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looks really really tempting and if it
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can run VR it's like well maybe
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TRUCKING VR with Corsair one could be a
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possibility and I saw that they're
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making double trailers you excited about
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this like you can have two trailers
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attached to a truck I love that I love
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that you're following the trucking news
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Mike III
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pay more attention to the trucking news
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than I do play it I'm just I started
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following the SDS software Twitter
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account I think because they tweeted
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about you and I thought that was really
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funny yeah so idea they tweeted
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something about like I got my pizza or
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whatever when I was playing the key yeah
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I think I think you'd retweeted or
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something and I'm sorry I was like all I
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like these these people that's cool what
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I really want them to do though is to
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make an actual multiplayer experience
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there are mods mmm like it looks like
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there's like this server or something
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that you can use it that there look
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there are mods for multiplayer games and
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the reason this interests me is that as
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null on Twitter sent us a tweet that
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intrigues me greatly about the idea of
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me and you driving down the road
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together as a claw text episode like
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talking over CB radio I feel like this
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is Hugh just trying to get into my
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office in a different way Mike right now
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this that's what this feels the
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multiplayer is not local it's online no
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it I know it's not local but something
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about this feels like the thin end of
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the wedge right that that's what this
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feels like
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we need to land pile in this thing I
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have great internet yeah see that's
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exactly it right you know yeah well it
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will start remotely like Oh it'll be a
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LAN party and then it'll be like so
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where are you during the day
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oh that's that's that's gonna happen
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here I I think that you are taking my
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innocent very innocent idea just wanted
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to play a video game you know and you're
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turning it into this thing
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she's unfair I don't think it is unfair
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I think I know how your Mike mind works
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all I want to do is just is just drive a
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truck with you I don't think that that's
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too much to ask I like driving my truck
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alone right that's that's what I like
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it's not going to be in the same truck
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so it's a solitary experience Mike and
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driving a truck across solitary
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experience that you shared with
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thousands on the Internet
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yeah but it's different they're not
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driving trucks I mean someone could be
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right that's actually not true some of
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them are but you know it's look I'm just
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I'm trying to just say it's it's like an
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experience it's a solitary
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desert experience that sometimes shared
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with a couple thousand passengers but
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mostly solitary experience
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let's truck driving
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