00:00:00 ◼ ► lots to talk about what do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► start with you wanna start with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► Microsoft build keynote yeah it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► was interesting as you watch it now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► didn't watch it I was going to whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► uh yeah sorry I failed to value out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► there uh it was it was good uh it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► funny I really liked it the as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/19">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► listening to it he like there was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/21">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► much a sort of coherent vision you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/24">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► that took the idea of you know Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/27">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► but you know by necessity has to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► you know weep over the the mobile sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► of area and to extent they certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► have in the cloud but kind of painting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► vision beyond that and kind of from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/40">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► big picture what I liked best is that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► previous builds there's always two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/43">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► keynotes yeah and the first day is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/45">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► usually sort of the windows keynote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/47">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► the second day is the azure keynote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► this year it's the opposite as er is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/53">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► first day in Windows the second day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► I think that's appropriate because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/56">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► that's realistically where Microsoft's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► growth and opportunities are so so from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/60">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► that perspective I you know I enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► I think the the problem though is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► that stuff on the edge Mike I'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/69">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► about building a sort of thing from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/70">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► from the quality of the edge like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/72">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► don't have very many edge end points and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► that continues to be a problem hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► edge being the devices that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► is that what you mean yeah yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► devices but also sort of on computers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► mean the big computer the big criticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► of always have for Microsoft and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► under saturated data is they've done a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► great job of sort of you know locking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/95">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► the folks that they've always had but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► you're a new company starting today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► which piece of Microsoft software are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► you going to buy and why and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► doesn't have a very good answer for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/107">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► question yeah that's a very good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► I would buy none yeah you right I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► it you would probably buy Excel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/114">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► yeah I have office just e5 actually use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/118">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► that for for my email in it in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► because I vastly prefer using email on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► an offline client even if it's outlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► as opposed to the problem Gmail is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► have it I have an assistant so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► and it only supports shared mailboxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► through the online interface so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► obviously the reason why I use obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/137">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► five but the uh but yeah but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► beyond that I used Google Docs for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► year for you or Google Apps I should say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► irreverence called for for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► several years and there's times I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► realistically this it's not really if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► wasn't for my own personal I can choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/155">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► software based my own personal foibles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/156">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► if I were an administrator sir Ector II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► was a larger company I'm sure I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/160">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► I mean I'm obviously an edge case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► that I'd I've lived a Windows free life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/166">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► my entire life but off the top of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/171">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► head the only Microsoft software I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/173">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► think that I use regularly is right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► Skype I don't think I use anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► I haven't had office having a Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► Office and oh my god at least 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► and Lee I don't even yeah late I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► know if I ever even used a Mac os10 ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► you're probably better off his forehead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► over that case but but I mean if you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► there it which I rarely do but but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► occasional times I do it's like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► numbers is not really competitive if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► want to just display stuff like make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► arguably better and easier and certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► you know Excel make some really ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► charts but if you there are some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► I occasionally do on on Excel that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► mean it numbers just it's not numbers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► what it is like it serves its role well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► it's not an excel competitor though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► don't know I have nothing but good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► I haven't used Excel in a long time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/228">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► I was never a serious spreadsheet person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► spreadsheets it's it's very impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► piece of software yeah it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► the I mean people have made this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/238">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► this point before but it's very true it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► really is sort of the programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► language for normal people yes like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► mean if you think about it people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► bend it to do all kinds of crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► in part because it's offering sort of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/250">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► place computation in a way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► accessible for for you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► normal people who don't know how to code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/258">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► it is basic out or whatever it's clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► chewy back hey remember it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/261">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► scripting languages so you can do actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► sort of programming which again is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► different than you know still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► basic but even just using a cell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► know equals this cell plus that cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► programming and and in that respect it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► even more impressive when you think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► it that in that light even back in 1991 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► when I was a freshman in college for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► as a freshman I ended up switching to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► computer science the next year but as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► freshman I was an engineering major and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► there was a mandatory like intro to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► programming course but not it again this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► wasn't the computer science this was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► know and it was all bit was ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/308">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► for me I mean I was like a in like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► Donlin on the computer programming team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► in high school it could be I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► it was great for me I was the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► student you don't know if you were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/319">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► same but when I got a course like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► didn't try to place out of it I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► like oh this is great I'm to do any work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/324">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► but if we ended up I think like second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/325">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► half of the thing was like an intro to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/330">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► Pascal which dates me and we were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► learning Pascal but I think the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► like month of the course was all spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► in Excel it was sort of like Excel was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► the this is how you learn you know learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► the program and I think oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/343">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► just trying to build the mindset not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► necessarily build exactly that makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► ton of sense yeah and in honestly going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► through life I bet more engineers do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► programming in Excel than writing source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► code I mean at least in some ways um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/357">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► think the other thing that Excel has as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► a and all spreadsheets but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/362">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► that they have that really makes them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► so much more approachable for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/367">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► actually doing you know creating your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► own custom programmatic things is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► makes data structures completely visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/374">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► and there's yeah so there's this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► layer of abstraction of creating a data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► structure that is completely removed if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/381">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► actually fits to conceptually in a grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► and you don't even know it you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► realize that as you're setting up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► two-dimensional and you know I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► can do three dimensional stuff too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/396">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► you know even if it's just to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► you're creating a data structure but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► don't even you know you're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► thinking about it that way yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/403">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► that's exactly it and you get and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/406">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► can visualize you know you can literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/407">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► visualize like how the numbers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/409">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► equations in you know like you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/412">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► debugging you don't even realize you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/415">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► but but that's exactly what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► right anyway nothing but good things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► say about excel so what else happened at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► this keynote what are they talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/422">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► what's the big what are people need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► know about where Microsoft is is wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► people to go and build it for those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► conference so it's you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► necessarily consumer focus but it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► they want people developers to do yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► well I think that's that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► point is there really wasn't anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/441">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► for consumers in in this at all I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► there was they had this or Cortana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► skills kit you know which which it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► be you know a Dallas to sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► Amazon echo skills things like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► have a new database service for Azure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► interesting but again speaking of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► structure is not really something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► people you know most people would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/464">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► about or or or care about and where as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/465">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► which I was yet tomorrow I always try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► speak in terms of us time but even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/472">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► I would it's not but tonight my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/475">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► tomorrow they will have I think more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► consumer facing stuff but again I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► it's it's really emblematic of the shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► in the company that that is on day two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► and to me that's that's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► biggest high-level takeaway yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► they're sort of doing on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► volition you know under Satya Nadella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► what some people ten years ago add or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► guess more than 10 years ago at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/501">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► point I had argued that should be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/502">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► by law which is break break the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► division off into its own subsidiary or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► separate company or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► yep you know like I think that that let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Microsoft stay focused on the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► let Windows sort of ride out the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► know the role that it has to play is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► sort of legacy infrastructure yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/522">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► think that's exactly that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/525">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► right and it's I didn't think they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► didn't think they were capable of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► like Windows was so long you know had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► the company mej extent that at one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/534">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► these keynotes a while ago like Asher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► was renamed Windows Azure even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/539">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► wasn't really Windows but but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/541">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► that's a great point know here one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► favorite sort of little details here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/544">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► they announced theirs now you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► access the command line in this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► your Azure dashboard or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► like through web browser or on a mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► app and it supports bash today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► PowerShell is coming PowerShell is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► command line program for Windows and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/560">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► me that that's that really that shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► right which one do they support first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► they support bash because what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/567">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► matters for most cloud applications is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► what most developers are used to is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► know Linux and and the linux shell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► that's where and so that's what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► serving first and the Windows part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► coming but it will come it will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► soon yeah I think it isn't PowerShell in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/581">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► a nutshell like there was the das prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► and PowerShell is sort of them okay we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► want a command line terminal type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► but das this piece of crap so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► something you know modern and and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► least maybe not modeled after UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► shells but at least as powerful as UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► shell yeah I mean it's it's it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► a whole thing I mean it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► a shell and a whole Wincott us its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► scripting language and it's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► open source lis or not but it yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► was released in 2006 I believe I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► looking it up so I mean it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► far removed from the sort of DOS days I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► mean it's a proper shell like if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/623">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► administrators and and folks that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► managing computers and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► it's used on the server so it mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► a proper shell it's but it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► know it's different then as as one would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/635">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► expect it's different than than bash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► I just as an aside it's so funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/641">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► I didn't think we'd be talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/643">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► shells but I do you ever use use command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► line on Mac os10 you use it sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/648">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► right yeah rarely I have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/649">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► servers that did not my not destroy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► server that's managed but um I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► few other servers that I do stuff on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► I use it for that but I rarely I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/659">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► computer do you do you care what shall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► you use no I don't care at all I use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► I use it very rarely I've I've used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► UNIX shell since at least 1990 - that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► when ice when I switch to computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/676">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► science at Drexel and I've you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/677">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► whatever I need to do done but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/685">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► never enjoyed it never really and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► never really liked writing shell scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► and so if I ever had anything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/693">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► most people would write a shell script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► once I found out about parole I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► wrote everything in Perl and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► treated Perl if I needed to as my shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► scripting language so I never really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► deep roots and I know I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/704">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► Mac os10 used to when it first shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► was using tcsh as the shell or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► I don't know and at some point it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► switched to bash because bash sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► become is like the most popular modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► scripting language because Linux uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► that I think but I never had deep roots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► like it was never like like people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► tied up and they have like these shelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/727">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► or files you know the what do you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► your profile where you've got all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► aliases and all this stuff set up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► that you can't really switch shells very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► easily because you'd have to rewrite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/737">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► so anyway recently I switched my shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► err on my Mac's to fish have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► about this shell I've heard you chatting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► about it but it's no I it's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/748">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► and I think anybody who has deep roots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/751">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► into a UNIX shell is not going to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► but it's a like a new shell it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► know something that this guy Peter a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► made he's a engineer at Apple this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► an apple project it's something he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► on the side but it's amazing and I thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► I like about it is it's like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► logical in terms of how you do stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► it doesn't have any kind of it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► separating itself from from the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► of UNIX shells it breaks a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► things that other UNIX shells all do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► it like just for one thing one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► that's so nice is that instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/788">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► spewing a whole bunch of like dot files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► you know the UNIX way of making a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► quote-unquote invisible a start the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► so gross that we're still using that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► they did they had these you end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► like six of these files in your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► folder for each shell that you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► because in Iran they don't have names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► that make any sense and no they drive me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► up the wall I know exactly we talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/812">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► right it doesn't make any sense at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► with fish you still have it you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► dot file but it's it's a folder which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/818">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► it called it's called but I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/824">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► I should do this later and I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► it's called I think it's called like dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► config or something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► there's one it's a it makes it folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► instead of a file and it's just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► folder called dot config and inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► there is is where everything else goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/843">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► so you just there's like a folder in dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► config that says fish and then inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► that folder is all officious stuff so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► other utilities use this convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► everything could go nice and neatly into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► one folder called config anyway it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► really neat I'll put a link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► notes to fish it's really I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► really neat so oh that reminds me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► is the last time I was on um 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► January 2017 looks like and we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► about the Mac a little bit then and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► do have to say I think pretty much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► that episode holds up I think pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► well after the after the the news that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► come out about the Mac Pro and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/890">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► like that like I think our general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► presumption was that there was a screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► up they wand update it but couldn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► they're not abandoning the platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► and it was just a screw-up and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► that's basically what ended up would end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► up happening so that I'm glad we uh glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► we got that one right yeah I think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► anyway before I glued fish I'll just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► this if you're a nerd and nerdy enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/911">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► to use the terminal but you've somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► seashell or Z shell or any of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► things you should give fish a try it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► through homebrew and I like it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► more than any shell I've ever tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► because it's just somehow makes sense it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► makes sense that it comes from somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► it sort of makes sense in the way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/931">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► software does right that's what made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/932">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► think of it is the idea of like change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/935">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► like one even having access to a shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► and being able to change it and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► things you can do through a shell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/941">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► that's it's it's a thing you do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/942">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► computers which is that I start remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► why I went back to that last episode but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► yeah that's why I mean it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► example yeah it does things like it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/951">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► like if you want to change the color the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► syntax colouring for the shell like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► which like a command is this color the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► arguments are this color the outputs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► this color in error is this color when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► you config you don't have to just type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► in a file you can do something and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/964">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► opens a little web local web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► window and so you can visually pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► colors and see actually see the colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► as you add to them it's oh nice amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► stuff it's so anyway it's really cool so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/974">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► anyway PowerShell it's is coming soon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► and bash is already is the default and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/983">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► first available thing that support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/986">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► interface for the other thing I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► was announced was I forget what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► call it but whatever Microsoft version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► of Xcode is what's it called virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► studio visual studio whatever the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► studio universal studio is now I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► it's not wasn't a surprise but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► there's a version of it for Mac now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► which is crazy yep and they did a demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and it was more like oh we're doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► demo on a Mac it wasn't like a we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► definitely this program but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► actually when they were doing the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► think is when they're demoing the shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and that it you know it it's of a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► it's the exact same you know two sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► of the same coin with the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► keynote being on day two the entire idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► that if you're developing on Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► server side technologies the assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► that you're developing with a Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► client and with your hands on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► keyboard is no longer there like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► completely come you know committed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► realized that but I don't know if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► majority of developers but certainly an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► enormous chunk of them are using Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► as their client whether they're writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► Mac software or not even if they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► doing like web development or Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► development or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► or saw anything server-side I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► there's an enormous chunk of them who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► no yep and and the platforms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► they're developing for um you know yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► on PC it's still meal windows still as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► it you know dominant more the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► share but pcs aren't a piece species are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► the fast I mean in a very real way or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► you know to a topic I'm sure we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► to there they were never even a thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► and that's that's the reality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► Microsoft has to deal with for and to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► and I think they by and large are again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► that doesn't mean that they're out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► the woods because they still have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► stuff to actually reach consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► actually get in front of them both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► terms both in that applies to business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► just as much as applies to to end-users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► but at least they're you know not stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► focused on focused on the past yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► so now we're in unusual how things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► change situation where Microsoft is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► company that's flexible about what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► machines people are using to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► against their technologies and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► the company that makes you develop on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► Mac to write for their phone OS right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► not that I blame Apple for that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► have come out as me you know blaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► them I to makes profiles again but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► it's just it's just a funny situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► yeah I mean the apples the company with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► an operating system was such over well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► at overwhelming market share that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► can compel developers to buy a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► that they otherwise wouldn't buy just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► do development for it yeah it's it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► it's hard to especially if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► following Apple I'm sure it's harder for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► you than for me I mean back in I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► following Apple that I used when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► appreciate the extent to which they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► at all it like it's it's easy easier the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► situation to change on the ground before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► it's before changes sort of your mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► state and I think that's a proper app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► you act and behave changes when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► when you're dominant as opposed to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► you're you know the sort of scrappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► scrappy underdog yeah um yeah totally so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► what else is going on at surface or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► surface had build you know that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► conference I was I was at the one time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► was in a video yes that's right uh feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► like a long time ago well it's it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► mean it's crazy I'll lightning ahead Way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► was a while ago it has to been what four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► four or five years ago three years ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► think I think was wrong I think so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► was somebody's I thought I was still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► the states when that happened but yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► but I could be wrong but long story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► short for those who don't remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► was when I was working with Brent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► Simmons and Dave wish because they we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► called her social q-branch we had her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► app vesper and we did the sinking our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► own sinking back-end for various reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► but we built it on I guess I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► were there right we were doing it at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► time when they called it Windows Azure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► and they made like they made us one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► the like examples in a little video that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► they showed on the in the keynote flew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► us out there and everything was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► nice kind of weird they have yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► have this uh they have a real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► translator for Microsoft PowerPoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► that's kind of nifty so when you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► presenting and it will be show like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► real-time translation of the of the UH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► yeah so that's kind interesting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► again I mean it's it was mostly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► was it was mostly all back and stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► which which which is fine I think as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► as consumer-facing stuff you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► one today is probably going to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► more interesting but then again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► just announced the the windows s and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► new laptop so a couple weeks ago so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► think they're disposed there's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► might be a Cortana speaker like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► an echo type device yeah at which but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► again you know I mean actually getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► customers to get customers hands is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► gonna is going to be the challenge I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► guess the reason I was going to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► gave somebody who observes Apple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► I have muscle memory you know and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► weird to see a company that's so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► Apple like like it's baffling to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► they would hold an event a week before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► their big developer conference right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► they would talk about a new operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► system and unveil these new products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► like why wouldn't you do that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► keynote but I'm guessing you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► the keynote this morning ran long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► then the Windows one tomorrow they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► their keynotes already already run long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► right I mean today was really I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► was much more of yeah it was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► hardcore like back-end development or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► wine a business application sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► stuff I mean it wasn't a really consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► facing thing at all it not even on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► slightest and yeah maybe they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► announced the the things tomorrow but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► think yeah there's a very queer sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► bifurcation and I think you've nailed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► before what Windows is sort of its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► thing particularly the consumer facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► side of Windows and I think they there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► relatively free rein to do what they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► to you know support and earn customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► but that doesn't necessarily really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► strategic perspective on the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► Microsoft which is you know really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► future of the company and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► probably this is probably a good example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► it was weird I know today's build they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► move it around I think all that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► they often move it around but this Sears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► is in Seattle when I went two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► years ago three four years ago whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► it was it was in San Francisco in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► Moscone which only added to this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► like I was in a bizarro developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► bizarro WWDC because they even had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► keynote at third floor you know we wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► what Apple always calls the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► Presidio you know that the those big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► convention spaces are sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► modular you know there's walls that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► be moved around to change the shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► make room slightly bigger or smaller but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► the thing that Microsoft did what and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► I've seen so many keynotes in that room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► because Macworld Expo used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► in the same room WWDC every year I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► those are the two things but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► Sika notes in that room and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► configuration of the room is almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► always the same it's a very if you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► almost think that it the room always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► looks like that but it's actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► an apple setup like it when WWDC has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► done all that everything in there is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► and the thing that Microsoft did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► they had their stage along what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► Apple's configuration is the side like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► Apple sits the room with the stage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► the front and the room goes back long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► Microsoft set it up said that the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► was wide and the room wasn't as deep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► they site in a way that that made sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► everybody was closer to the stage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► Microsoft's configuration but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► were further from the center if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► didn't have a center seat and they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► up for that by having huge screens that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► were just showed the same instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► having one big screen that shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► something they had like a wall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► screens that all showed the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► over and over again and it just weirded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► me out it was just guess it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► it's like coming home and somebody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► everything is the same except they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► rotated every room in your house by 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► degrees that would be weird uh but yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► no no no Moscone keynote again this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► I mean right well they've been in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► the what is it the Billy Billy Graham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► auditorium oh is that what it's called I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► uh something like that I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► mean they might never do Apple might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► never do a Moscone right I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► yeah what might be uh which is fine he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► wasn't it wasn't the greatest I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► like the I'm not a big fan of the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► set up in Moscow nee I'm not either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► really I don't have anything against it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► but I thought the Microsoft setup was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► actually very nice I've it worked very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► well and I felt like everybody got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► you couldn't really see may not be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► to see the actual people but if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► I feel like if you were sitting seated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► along the side you had a much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► screen in front of you than you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► seated in the back in Moscow me an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► setup right exactly yeah I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► Apple Apple might never have an event in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► San Francisco again you never say never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► I mean who knows but I because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► like for their smaller events they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► going to have them at their headquarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► right I don't think you name the theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► Steve Jobs theater unless you intend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► use it quite a bit to unveil new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► products right like I'm sure they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► know have you been to the new campus you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► know I've never I don't even know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► it is I was asking about it when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► out there for the Mac Pro summit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► whatever you want to round table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► discussion it was a I guess it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► isn't close I don't know to be I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► so I one of the buildings that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► was torn down so I definitely know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► it is be guys it's it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► another exit on the freeway from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► where the current campus is right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► did you could drive there through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► through through city roads but yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► a little bit of a hike it on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► side of the freeway so it just wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► convenient and I didn't have a car so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► what wasn't like I was going to take an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► uber to go look at a construction site I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► mean those fly overs that people publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► from those drones are probably better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► than what you'd get looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► ground from the outside yep yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► so I mean maybe uh I mean I imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► ID well I guess we'll see with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► iPhone with the iPhone announcement but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► they did that they did that in San Jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► also not last year but for the when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► did the watch the watch unveiling was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► was in San Jose uh yeah where was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► forget where it was I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► San Jose no it was at the the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► unveiling was at the the College in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► oh is that was that Cupertino I I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► it wasn't it's like some that I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► the name of the college but De Anza or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► something I I forget what the hell of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► this but it was not know the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► was in San Jose was an iPad event like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► in 2011 I think or 2012 I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► was right before Scott Forstall got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► fired how was the how was the the Danza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► auditorium or whatever it was I was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► right it wasn't it wasn't anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► write home about that was the one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► Apple build a big mysterious white box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► out front right right right and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► the end ecology of the ends is that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► yep um it was okay uh I'm not surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► that they haven't been back since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► don't think it was great I think the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► thing people don't seem to understand is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► that this Steve Jobs theater is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► big either like there's no way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► can't have like a WWE seeking out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► some people have speculated that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► know maybe this year they'll secretly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► bus everybody to the new campus to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► the keynote there or something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► like--that's that no you can't but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► can't bus 5,000 people there but B it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► not a 5,000 person auditorium I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► know what this evening and see that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► don't want 5,000 people writing her on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► that campus right I don't think yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► don't think they want people on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► campus well be the old the old uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► old one town uh what's called God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► yeah Tony Hall that was tiny that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► turn it was like but I said I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► yeah that makes sense though I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► the I bet WABC will end up back in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► Francisco we'll see I'll probably see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► how it goes this year and then because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► the reason it's in San Jose this year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► because Moscone Center construction I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► don't know what I don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► I really don't what well basically all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► of the but everyone is not in Moscone by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► and large like how they have there been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► any big events there I mean I know only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► part of Muskaan's are construction but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► don't think Apple is the only one to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► their stuff on their schedule if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► look it's so north and south Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► north and south the big like the expo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► hall ones are closed and they're ripping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► up the street i if there's an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► for it it's the fact that they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► the street ripped up I guess that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► Howard Street is all ripped up for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► north and south expansion but Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► West is still open and is not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► renovated and I've you know before Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► made this announcement you could look on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► the schedule in their world you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► there was like one open week in June but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► the otherwise there's stuff in Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► week Moscone West all the time I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► be wrong yeah not are you right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► know I mean who cares if the streets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► ripped up I've seen people say well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► streets all ripped up oh who gives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► I don't know you'd say nobody's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► like everybody's driving down Howard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► Street to get to WWDC I think if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► wanted to have it at Moscone West this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► I think there's other reasons you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► whether they got a better deal whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► they really you know I I do think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► personality on a company there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► homebody company they they don't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► are not a San Francisco company I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► they have a couple of offices there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► you know they really are at as a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► they're at home on their campus in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► Cupertino and I feel like they being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► closer to home is better for them yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► no question I mean just being in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► valley I mean they're they're not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► it's own insular sort of culture like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► it's much less sort of interspersed I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► obviously an employee level that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► the solicit case but especially once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► get more into senior management I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► it's it's it's own world like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► the same geographic area but the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► intertwined with Google and there's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► more of a sort of back and forth in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► that perspective when it comes to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► of Big Valley companies and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► in San Francisco but yeah my Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► always been its own its own sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► universe and you see it you see that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► over the place not just in the valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► you see it sort of online you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► when it comes to Apple fans there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► lot of people who are Apple fans or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► are not necessarily tech fans you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► actually see that when it comes to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► readers and you see it you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► interesting it really is its own sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► its own sort of entity for better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► worse yeah and I think at a practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► level it's absolutely the case I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► there's no argument no spin it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► just a fact that San Jose is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► closer to Apple's campus or campuses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► Cupertino that for engineers at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► who have things to do that week that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► they need to be at the office they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► swing by they might be able to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► couple of hours work in their office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► then go to WWDC in the afternoon for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► labs or something like that and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► might get you know attendees might get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► interaction with significantly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► engineers from Apple who couldn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► an entire day to go up to San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► I mean San Francisco is can be over an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► depending on traffic and San Jose it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► you know probably like 10 15 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► drive yep yep exactly as you you found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► us you found a good spot for for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► California theater where that iPad event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► was the one that was in San Jose so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► a lot bigger than the old place good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► place where I had my show yeah oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► it's so much bigger it's guys like as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► get 1,100 seat capacity and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► that when we had it mezzanine in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► Francisco which I love which I still if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► you know I love that facility I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► doing a show there but I think we capped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► it at 500 I think you could mezzanine a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► attendance cap is significantly higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► than that but 500 seems to you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► and judging from people's reactions over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► the years if it's it keeps it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► getting too crowded like I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► attack the most number of people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► there I feel bad when people like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► think tickets sold out in like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► minutes last year so I feel bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► people want to go can't come but I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► rather have everybody I draw there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► fewer people come and more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► comfortable but I uh yeah are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► gonna be drinks I think that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► the the more pressing question there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► will be drinks and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► that's going to work because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► the--it's a real theater theater and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► don't know yeah any pictures right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► right I don't know how easy it'll be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► people who are sitting in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► a road to go get drinks so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► it might have to be sort of a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► get your load on get your load on before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► the show starts that was the great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► about Bethenny's you could like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► obviously there was the seating and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► interviewer or you know the show was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► going on you wouldn't get up and go but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► you could also just sort of be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► back and be you know mingling a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► bit and getting a drink and uh so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► it kind of served a you could watch you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► could watch the show in multiple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► multiple ways okay which was nice well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► but 1,100 people Jesus that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► be nerve-racking as a balcony and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► beautiful I'm looking at the looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► the pictures right now yeah take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► still aren't on sale but they will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► that's right now okay I forgot that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► hadn't I like that maybe people give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► Munsell with how you post what I am you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► know I'm not waiting till the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► minute but it's just lots of little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► it's not too much work I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► it's not like I'm sitting there hooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► microphones up and stuff but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► lot of details to be worked out yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► anyway well hopefully hopefully I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► give it give anything away no no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► no no that's a secret it even the venue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► is art it's right there on apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► website and stuff like that so i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► keeping it secret anyway let's take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► break i thank our four sponsors our good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► friends at fracture fracture is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► photo decor company that's out to rescue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► your favorite images from the digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► ether that's their words not mine here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► what they do they take your photos they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► print them directly on glass right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► on the glass on the glass not a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► paper glued to glass they I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► proprietary stuff they just put glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► into the printer the printer puts your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► photo right on the glass and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► mail it to you and it looks amazing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► got that Retina effect where it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► looks like it doesn't look it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► there's just such a different effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► than a piece of paper behind a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► glass and frame and it takes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► pain-in-the-ass stuff out of hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► pictures up because this happens to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► every time every time I used to get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► Ikea frames or something like that you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► put a photo in there and then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► to get those little things on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► that take that secure the cardboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► flip them up and then you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► picture in then you put the cardboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► back in and you flip them back down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► inevitably the picture goes like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► degrees off and you got to open it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► start all over again what a pain in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► ass with the pictures from fractured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► there's nothing like that can happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► it's just a piece of glass so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► always perfectly aligned and they ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► you everything you need to hang it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► the wall in the box they even include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► the wall anchor just upload your digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► photo on their website pick the size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► just wait for it to show up in a mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► that's it could not be easier where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► you go to find out more fracture me.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► slash podcast not did everyone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► time I read it I feel like I'm making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► mistake and that that's some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► placeholder but that's really the URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► fracture me.com slash podcast and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► guess they use the same URL for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► podcasts but then at the end when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► they'll say hey where'd you find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► about fracture and you can say the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► hey go buy something for Father's Day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► it's a great great gift too late for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► Mother's Day Mother's Day is like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► days from now but fathers days coming up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► next month what an amazing gift go buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► fracture for your for your father your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► husband anything like that what a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► well I fractured me is is memorable yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► and to your l's at euros are hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► there's someone was making fun of there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► is a tweets and effective tech before so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► are so uncreated that they have a site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► about strategy and tactile trajectory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► and I'm like it's it's true I've no I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► no excuse every dairy firewall as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► I'm always like damaged I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► hired you to get a name you find me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► name before I started but I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► it's the other thing too is is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► any URLs hard and the one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► when I started I had no money I was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► was in debt that you know and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► like going out and spending money to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► a a URL or whatever or Twitter handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► stuff like one of the advantages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► trajectory is it was available um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► would I like I said I probably wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► use it again if I starting over because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► it's you know so hard to say hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► spell hahaha which is not a good not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► good combo but but yeah it's it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► you the whole URL Twitter handle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► is uh it's tough you know I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► fracture me especially now after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► sort of made that that that little joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► you know that I have during fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► calm right yeah but it redirects to done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► it right and some people don't ask about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► that anymore in the early years people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► would be like why why do you why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► redirect to.net why don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► wouldn't would most people if I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► both redirected calm and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► like to me it's like I started using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► internet so early when most domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► weren't comms you know like dot orgs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► dot ed use bed use were probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► most popular that I used uh and net to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► but to me.com was sort of crass in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► early years and I know that in the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► know after the document even called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► sort of became the the neutral one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► it's like ground zero of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► top-level domains like by default you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► wanna calm but like when I was I'm in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► mind it still is sort of crass I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► again the early years all the dot-com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► sites were garbage right with it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► supposed to be like commercial right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► think it was dancefloor then try I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► I liked I agree I like dotnet better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► yes I give in to the to the prevailing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► own trajectory got net also but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► redirects in the opposite direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► right and like Kottke I think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► really early types you know like me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► was it like hockey org yeah and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► it wouldn't work like neither it somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► is part of the domain like cocky net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► wouldn't be right cocky calm would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► awful like it just it wouldn't be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► same like Kottke org is exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► and for whatever reason in my mind it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► just like when you rewrite a sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► and just use the same words but you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► a clause in the middle of the sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► as opposed to at the end or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► like that and one way reads great in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► way it doesn't to me daring firebolt net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► reads better than daring fireball calm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► Mozart go ahead go ahead man oh no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► just I just gonna say there's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► thing about daring fireball is it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► distinct that you can one if you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► these if you type in URL and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► thing is that no one actually types you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► know us us nerds do but the best or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► people don't even you know type URLs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► like the google has the whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► uh like a huge number back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► like they they could track how popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► Facebook was because my people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► typing Facebook into Google to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► Facebook know what's more people doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► really rusher but that's great about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► during fireball even if you do your L or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► you do a Google search whatever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► going to its memorable and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► wasn't there a thing where oh off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► top of my head I'm not remembering it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► right but there was a thing where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► number one result for facebook login was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► no longer the facebook login page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► the poor bugger who had it was just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► guy site or something and they the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► was just inundated with thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► what have you done to Facebook this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► doesn't look like Facebook do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► remember that I I don't but that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► right it's pretty because that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► people get to the facebook login sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► they go to Google and then type facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► login hit return I'll expect expect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► be taken there funny stuff that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► my son gets around the internet he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► type stuff into Google yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► baby that's pretty normal behavior I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► mean if people you know to the extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► people are still using the Internet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► mean it's uh it it really shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► extent to which Google is the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► linchpin for the Internet I mean yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► can type your Elle's go to places but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► the reality is in the way that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► actually experience online is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► rule it's not just about like typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► Facebook into Google search page but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► there's just so much stuff there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► there's so many things that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► incomprehensible to to anyone even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► smartest person person on earth I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► brilliant is such a brilliant sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► invention is that you know the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► search engines the more stuff there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► the more they bogged down because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► were you know I mean the original Yahoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► was literally a directory I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► obviously the future search engines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► weren't you were much more sophisticated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► but Google by sort of building on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► the link instead of building on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► the pages themselves it well it turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► out when you got more links Google got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► smarter and understood it better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► well when the web got larger everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► else got worse except for Google which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► actually got even better and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► that's you know that's sort of the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► piece of the company's dominance and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► why they're the you know the winch pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► for for the entire Internet which brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► us to Windows 10 s and the way that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► Windows 10s you can't change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► default search engine you get Bing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► yeah and I think that's I I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► they're giving away tennis to yes I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► so that's that's at the primary way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► they're going to I mean obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► there's app sells as well but app cells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► and and Bing searches and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► that I think Bing is actually profitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► now or or very close to it it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► for a little bit actually it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► don't you think I mean it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► sense that they would keep they'd keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► losing money on it because I mean now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► I'm still you know how much could it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► cost other than labor you know yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► yeah it's where those things where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► it's not like a Winnie er sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► where they make a little more money a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► little more money and that now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► profitable they're going like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► you're either losing a lot or you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► making a good amount like once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► the sort of scale effects that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► they're kicking in uh yeah it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► still it's not actually growing pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► decently I should I think five five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► point three billion in revenue the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► fiscal year I should try it again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► haven't tried Bing in a while I done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► different max are different devices at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► any given time I sometimes switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► DuckDuckGo which I admire is the plucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► little startup you know and their local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► to Philly to its which it gives me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► little affection for them but I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► admit that there there's a lot of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► with DuckDuckGo where it's semi-free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► yeah if you're going to do it you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► some point in a week you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► typing to look there's a trick they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► you can even type like GE exclamation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► mark and it redoes the same query but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► redirects you to Google because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► just sometimes it's you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► not as good as Google search I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► do some really cool stuff and I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► privacy aspect of it but it sounds good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► but the thing that surprises me is I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► thought Microsoft might catch up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► Google search with Bing cuz it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► like the sort of problem that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► would be able to solve like it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► surprises me that Microsoft software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► never has is nice of a UI as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► software because it's institutionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► they're just they just don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► people who have the taste for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► web search is really just you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► to have taste for that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► it's a purely algorithmic challenge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► get that right well they're not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► the thing with Google is it is a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► algorithm itself is far bit far beyond a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► any one person could you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► designed by a person to start at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► point it's so complex and have loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► and a lot of it is is just constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► iterative feedback so when people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► doing searches it not in that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► about the individual I search is just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► a whole like which results are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► quick like Google wants the first the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► proper results we the first result so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► they are tracking which result you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► actually click on where how far down you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► go and and plus websites are optimizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► cells for Google and they and so by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► crafty has to you know would attach on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► to that but it's one of those situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► where thanks to the feedback loop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► comes from having the most data and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► most users and the most searches if two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► identical search engines if one starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► at fifty one percent market share and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► one starts at forty nine percent market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► absent sort of any exterior force the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► one with market share is going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► better over time relative to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► one it which means which and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► it gets better that lets it get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► users because it's a better search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► engine and then it gets even more data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► relative to the competition so it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► has a bigger advantage so the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► is even Microsoft could have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► smartest sort of search folks in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► world but because it's a problem that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► not just about algorithm design it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► it's about the entire sort of system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► having it a feedback loop they will it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► very difficult to to ever catch up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► absent some sort of like incredible you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► know breakthrough you can't buy your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► out and all there's no way to write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► interesting I think your that to me has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► to be the explanation because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► don't think that I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► problem is that Microsoft doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► the intelligence in the engineering to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► do it I you know and they obviously will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► had no problem spending money on it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► know for years famously they were losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► billions on bing I think that's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► though that Google so popular that it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► you know that their popularity feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► upon their accuracy right if there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► seeds upon their popularity and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► where Google is in some respects it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► like a Facebook effect but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► sort of network effect but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► necessary about people per se it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► interaction between people and the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► of data they generate but you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► same sort of idea where the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► service like because did I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► always write a lot of about user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► experience and the point I always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► to sometimes forget to make this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► when I forget to make this point I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► regretted because I get a bunch people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► questions user experience does not mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► user interface user interface is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► important part of the user experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► and is critical you know for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► like a phone for example that's in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► hand you're interacting with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► actually you know we talked about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► know we can stuff in Congress in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► little bit but the user experience is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► the totality of the experience which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► means you know having better search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► results means it's a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► having more friends on Facebook more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► family on Facebook not having to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► recruit people to get on there means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► it's a better it's a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► interface per se and these aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► the experience are they build on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► themselves and this is why you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► these companies that are so dominant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► what makes it so tricky and I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► writing a lot about this you know over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► the last years so these companies are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► powerful because of these sort of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► effects and these network effects and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► they're powerful in a way that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► actually better for the consumer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► google is popular because it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► which means it gets more users and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► it gets more users it actually becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► even even better which means it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► so there is it's positive on the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► perspective and same a Facebook it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► the most user so it more people join it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► because it's there and the more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► join it now it has more users and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► get the same sort of feedback loop where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► people choose it because it's better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► that sort of makes from a anti-trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► perspective that makes sort of US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► antitrust like fall completely apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► because it's based on consumer benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► and there's actually they're providing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► ton of consumer benefit that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► all right as a summary of like 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► scenarios I've been writing about did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► you see the story that in the verge had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► it that the surface laptop now the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► like unique thing about these surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► laptops that they announced is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► other than the keyboard and a trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► that what you touch on the front face is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► like a like a soft touch leather like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► fake leather type thing but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► it's called which looks awful to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► apparently a lot of carmakers use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► high-end car makers well I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► judge it on photos but from the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► to me it looks terrible I would not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► that I wouldn't if I had the choice when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► buying a laptop whether I just have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► bare aluminum surface or like no pun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► intended surface or have it covered with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► this stuff if without having seen it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► person I would zero hesitation I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► just say just give me the aluminum this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► seems like a disaster yeah but I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► people excoriating Microsoft for having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► said told the verge that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► treat it like a like a luxury purse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► something like that or a luxury handbag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► and I think people took that as meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► that it's like dainty and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► you're like you have to treat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► preciously I think that's how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► reacted to this like the headline I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► think Microsoft says the fabric on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► surface laptop should be cared for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► a luxury handbag and I think the verge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► did a disservice with that headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► because it's not really that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► that's not a quote the only quote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► that headline is the word luxury here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► the actual statement from Microsoft I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► hate this use of the word luxury just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► like anything luxury that you buy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► that it should be luxurious or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► or any luxury product that you buy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► it still it seems self-serving for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► to describe it as luxury but anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► like anything luxury that you buy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► great handbags or a pair of shoes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► even expensive cars there is a care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► that's needed for the device the so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► you know I think Note has to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► care for but I think the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► people aren't maybe maybe now you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► understand it with with our spouses but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► you can get like there are handbags that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► that are might be you know from a luxury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► brand and they're not really dainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► they're actually the opposite they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► actually very they're they're built to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► last for decades you know and yep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► you know you do have to treat leather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and if you get it wet you have to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► care of it right away and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► surprisingly well they're not dainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► little Faberge eggs that are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► much more rugged in some ways than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► sometimes you like as long as you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► nice bag or some nice pair of shoes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► are luxury but you buy them because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► last way longer and hold up much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► and age much more attractively than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► something that's that's lower costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► right a difference it was a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► Twitter account I was into for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► was it was one of those ones that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► interesting only when it was anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► and then when somebody figured out who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► the guy was there's no fun anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► GS elevator remember that it was oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► yeah it was so so put it was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► from the perspective of stuff overheard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► in the elevators at Goldman Sachs and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► was often hilarious often very very rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► sort of from the that very lewd that bro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► a alpha male banker mentality um but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► remember the guy who wrote it had liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► it was like a he also had like articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► I was just like alright so you got a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► and an investment bank here's what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► you know your kid out of college here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► what here's the clothes that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► buy and one of his things was that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► should get like I forget I forget if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► recommended Gucci or what but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► something like get like a nice pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► Gucci shoes yes there's $800 or $700 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► they will last you way longer than 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► pairs of $200 shoes if you take care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► right yep you know there's obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► some things that are luxury priced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► are not you know that you're just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► know like a sports car like if you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► Lamborghini you're just pissing money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► it's not really it you're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► buying it for the value of I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► car is valuable but it's not like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► not going to sink tens of thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► dollars in it maintenance as you go like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► nobody buys a Lamborghini because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► worth it's a good investment reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► wise compared to a Honda right yep we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► but there are some things like a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► shoe or a nice belt or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► that where you actually yes you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► paying a lot of money but it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► might be you might be paying five times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► more than what you're used to but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► actually getting like ten times better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► product I don't think that the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► laptop is like that though I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► yeah yeah I went to that's not I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► use that word choice and yeah that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► that I'm looking at that just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► anything luxury that's driving me up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► wall that's that's terrible they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► they have to have tested this I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► it's like last week on the showed Renee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► and I were joking about that the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► our iPod that Kate I think was like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► scratched do you remember that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► original the original nano yeah it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► almost in a you know I would love is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► of those like behind the scenes things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► would love to someday get that story out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► of Apple as to how in the hell did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► make tens of thousands of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► or a half a million of these things out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► of a plastic that you scratch with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► fingernail like what the hell are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► thinking how did that not get caught in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► testing I don't mean if you saw one like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► they and with in not long I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► would be just completely destroyed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► to the point where you could barely even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► read the screen we in the whole it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► the whole front not just the screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► the entire surface would be right would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► be just completely yeah all shredded up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► yeah it's hard to remember compared to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► phones where everything is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► closer to the surface now but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► iPods even with the Nano there was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► of a thick layer of screen or not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► screen but just plastic on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3405">TS</a>]
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01:03:52 ◼ ► since it does like photo video calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► right which I actually think is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► most the most interesting part of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► it really featured very heavily in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► sort of the introductory video yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► have to I have to watch that again but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► it did seem like it's almost more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► the bigger announcement is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► doing their own they don't have a name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► for it though right there's no they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► don't have like a name like FaceTime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► right no it's just it's just uh yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► it's not just the echo show because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► updated the the Alexa app and so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► go between phones and the echo show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► or or echo showed echo show I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► for sure if you can go phone to phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► but I presume you I presume you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► yeah that's not about yesterday I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► that I presume you can and that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► look it up and then I backed it up right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► but yeah but it but it is basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► FaceTime competitor without being called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► a FaceTime competitor but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► certainly what it is well it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► it would so that the the trick to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► whole thing is that they've updated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► the phone app for I guess Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► iOS I know the iOS once updated where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► both for you to have one of these calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► with somebody who doesn't own an echo or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► you know what good who would want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► this if you had to be in the room where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► your echo is to get the call thank it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► like yours all of a sudden you're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► to like landline days where you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► quick run to the kitchen to take a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► call that that's not gonna fly but well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► yeah but I mean I remember all the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► think the with the echo first first came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► along you know it was it had in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► original interactive video which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► unfortunately taken down but it was even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► it was super corny and I'm a rock with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► made fun of it but actually I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► liked it because it was and you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► the same thing in the new echo show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► video which is it's very sort of there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► no like fancy like marketing commercial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► straightforward like showing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► explicit use cases for this product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► people go through use cases like the dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► is changing the baby's diaper and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► ordering new diapers like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► subtle at all but I kind of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► like it's you're not limited to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► 30-second grab you're not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► instill sort of I think it's a mistake a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► traditionally made is they've they hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► these branding agency especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► early attack these Brian agencies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► we're used to doing like consumer goods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► because we were packaged goods and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► it's all about building sort of brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► affinity because the goal is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► someone's in a store and they're faced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► with like 15 options for crackers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► one or they or Joe or might be they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► choose one and they don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► why they chose it they just they just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► and that's the payoff of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► advertising and branding and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► all that that sort of stuff with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► tech products it's much more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► deliberate choice so to use sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► brand type marketing I think is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► inferior to just showing it showing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► it works I mean this is something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► somebody my favorite Apple ads actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► were the original iPhone ads not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► first one like the holo hello at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► Academy Awards but now all the ads after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► that for the first year they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► showing people using the phone the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► were they know that Bob Bircher I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► is nameless right yeah at the very end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► the phone with the phone and ring so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► they show them reading their times they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► show them uh you know scrolling playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► a game or not playing a game but doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► stuff on the phone that you could do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► the phone and then active at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► under commercial and it's the same one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► every time the phone would ring say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► and it's a phone and it was so effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► both in explaining what the iPhone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► they're also teaching people how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► commercials just because I think the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► they really it was a new way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► commercials I think it was much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► for a tech product and uh something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► was always very frustrated by when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► at Microsoft because I thought they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► so so many the commercials were in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► CPG branding mindset when you're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► a very different kind of product yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► yeah those I phone commercials were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► brilliant because they were fast they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► when they were 30-second spots but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► they showed things and they I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► they showed it they showed the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► but David was like real things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► they're like look you maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► believe it maybe you hear somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► saying you know you can get Maps on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► phone now and on these iPhones you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► get a usable map but they'd show it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► say here look type Starbucks and hit up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► one button very easy just says you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► like search or whatever and then a map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► shows up showing how far you are from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► Starbucks or whatever the example wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► a commercial yep yep exactly yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► map one was it was it was it was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► immediately became apparent what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► value was to people right right yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► yet this is something you can it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► is something you can understand like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► stood that did it sounds funny but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► the thing that I think a lot of tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► people even tech marketers overlook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► that you tell a lot of people okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► you've got a cell phone we know that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► know you're frustrated by it we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► that you probably can't figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► to do anything on it other than make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► phone calls we're trying to sell you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► phone that does browses the web gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► your email has maps let you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► youtube videos but trust us none of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► is more complicated and making phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► calls is even easier than it was on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► yeah is that it's exactly right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► mean these these at these Amazon echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► spots are not like that there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► they're not nearly as you know high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► producing they're still pretty corny but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► if you're showing a product a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► hundred dollar product and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► original echo I think was the same it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► was $99 for Prime members but people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► on your you're on the web you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► infinite space you can show as short or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► long a video as you want you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► limited to 30 seconds and people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► being deliberate about their choice why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► not take advantage of that and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► show how this product might be useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► and and I think that's something they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► done pretty consistently with these and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► and I think I think it's smart I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► it's a much better way to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► you know marketing your product because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► you're marketing a different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► particular for Amazon because it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► know it's it's on there they have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► website that they can use yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► that the I'm going to get the name wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► I can't remember these right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► there's weird like the echo show and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► could look but it's like to me adopt is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► the little one well echo show is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► one with the TV set and right go look is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► the one that's like for your dressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► room right but you could call it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► it's one of those things where all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► echo look is the one that is a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4249">TS</a>]
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01:12:30 ◼ ► more about standing out poppin on social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4350">TS</a>]
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01:12:35 ◼ ► important and I think playing into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4355">TS</a>]
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01:12:59 ◼ ► clothes that's when you and I were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4379">TS</a>]
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01:13:12 ◼ ► have to buy all your clothes at the mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4392">TS</a>]
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01:13:38 ◼ ► like traditional brands that dominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► sort of malls and you know they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4421">TS</a>]
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01:13:55 ◼ ► about having something unique and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4435">TS</a>]
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01:14:13 ◼ ► ankle and grumpy and Fitch like all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► them all of them are struggling right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► and he would thought well Abercrombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► and Fitch was always a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► niche you know because they had the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► know it smells weird and it purposefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► made an unwelcoming front it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► kind of an interesting retail strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► where they they kind of made the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► of their stores sort of hard to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► like I said I'm a big wide opening they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► would just have a door and it was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► of you know like they wanted you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► it's totally contrary to most retailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► but it was sort of like they only wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► the right people to come in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► young people who were shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► Abercrombie Coll clothes but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4494">TS</a>]
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01:15:00 ◼ ► something that they would consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► wearing too weird that they're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4502">TS</a>]
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01:15:21 ◼ ► new shirts do you go out and buy shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► in a retail store and you buy everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4522">TS</a>]
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01:15:30 ◼ ► go and just buy a ton of stuff actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4530">TS</a>]
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01:15:38 ◼ ► always go there and see my brother and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4538">TS</a>]
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01:17:14 ◼ ► and having to pack stuff up and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4634">TS</a>]
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01:17:31 ◼ ► and socks and stuff like that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► think I've bought anything like that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► a retail store in ten years I mean why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► would you you know it's crazy I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► like you feel like you need some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► underwear boom just like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► items and it's at your house the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► Apparel thing all is very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► because they're they've not announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► any numbers about it but there's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► hints that that it's actually doing much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► better than you think and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► growing really rapidly I suspect a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► of it you know is probably things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► you just said you know basics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► whatnot but they're making for at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► minimum there for sure making massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► investments in it like just huge not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► just the Amazon book although I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► that is interesting in that regard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► they have all kinds of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► projects going on they've watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► multiple brands uh you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► know that because they're brands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► they sort of categories own they own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► Zappos yeah but this is this is all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► Amazon itself like I think it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► not the Zappos thing was I think at they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► bought them because they were doing well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► in their own e-commerce sites and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► they want to bet they wanted to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► them out I mean they just closed down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► they're on the verge of closing down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► what's the other when they bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► diapers diapers calm yeah same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► they you know I think in the long run I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► would I'd be surprised if Zappos remains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► ongoing concern but I mean people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► it people go there so maybe they'll keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► those they'll keep it around but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► long run for sure is is all Amazon maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► they want because in this is the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► thing oh this is the top of which talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► about I'm writable this yet but um the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► Amazon Prime video be on Apple TV oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► yeah well that's here I'm making a note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► we'll talk about that a minute yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► because I think Amazon is really trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► to own every aspect of your they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► want to be the facilitator of basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► everything in your life particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► everything in the home and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► makes the whole echo line so brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► for Amazon it's I mean the opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► the reason the opportunity is there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► because the home is the one place you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► don't necessarily have your phone with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► you right if you're out and about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► always have your phone with you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► you're at phone if you're at home it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► plugged in and charging and whereas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► the other thing is if you aren't about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► it's getting perhaps more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► socially acceptable but still a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► weird where it's at home to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► shout at Chartres and echo is is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► fine but there's nothing like it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► house you can do what you want but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► it fits with the sort of long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► Amazon model of basically being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► infrastructure for your for your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► it's how the things your home get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► is how you resupply it's how you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► everything and so that's the focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► clothes and echo and all sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► fits into that and having a uh having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► another brand that's not Amazon I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► doesn't fit into that in the long run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► especially with prime because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► to be it's all Amazon it's all prime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► so I I will see how long that poses for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► this world but it's I doubt it'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► focus of their sort of apparel efforts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► oh I think that is doing well I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► maybe it's just continues to run as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► sort of independent you know I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► could easily be it well maybe not maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► they make you sign in with Amazon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► don't know but I thought I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► say that I think you can shop at Zappos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► and not even know that they're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► subsidiary but yeah right and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► that that's fine fram's I mean as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► as it's not someone else as long as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► own it here's the thing that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► surprise me but it's it it it still I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► still found it striking was how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► the reaction to the Amazon are the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► look the one that's a camera for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► getting dressed was a sort of knee-jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► you think I'm putting a camera connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► to the cloud in my dressing room you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► um like a sort of knee-jerk I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► putting a computerised camera that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► know uploads pictures to the web I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► you know that you don't trust it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► whatever and I understand it and it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► know it certainly is it's a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► concern that you'd want it to be private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► and you want it to come from a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► that you trust and you know it common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► sense that you'd think you know at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► think twice before you bought it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► but I think it's almost silly to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► the point that you don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► we're going to have cameras all over our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► houses soon like it's clearly that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► where it's the only way to go yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► other thing too is I mean is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► camera really much worse than the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► itself I mean the the entire category is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► very but that's how we've acted that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► couple years ago they just dies down it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► and I'm not saying that we should yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► think you know I think anybody who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► me at all through the show or Darren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► fireball would would guess that I'm it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► not like I rush headlong into new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► without thinking about them you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► conservative a lot of it you know and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► don't but you know I find out what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► like it and I stick with it so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► drawn to new and shiny all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► but I feel like everybody's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► - in some ways it's good that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► lot of people who are whose first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► concerns privacy as opposed to thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► about the cool things you could do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► something like this but I'm reminded of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► something like that but way back you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► know around the the millennium when like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► Mac apps into Indy Mac apps first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► started adding features where they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► phone home and just say like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► couldn't even upgrade it would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► sparkle the technologies where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► hit a button and have you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► using version 3.1 version 3.2 is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► would you like to upgrade you just hit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► button and it downloads and upgrades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► quits and relaunches and there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► you're running the new one but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► were apps that would just just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► dialogue up and say hey there's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► version do you want to go to the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► and download it and people freaked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► fuck out because they were like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► hell you'd you know and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► sniffing the network traffic and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► know and and it's not like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► revealing anything but the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► app was phoning home with anything even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► just check the version was too much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► people and there were people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► be like I'm you know and a minute I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► deleting this app I'm switching to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► competitor because there's no way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► where mine is going to phone home to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► developer server even if it's just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► check the Virgin and I I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► make fun of it too bad but I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► you know there is there an app that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► use today that doesn't doesn't notify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► you when there's a new version and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► feel like yeah we're going that way with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► microphones and cameras we are with us I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► think there's there's two sort of points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► to make one is your broader point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► this is the most important point is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► is sort of inevitable like we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► down this direction and the fact of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► matter is that most people just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► care and and this applies to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► online privacy it applies to and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► the big problem with with you know sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► of fighting for for privacy when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► comes technology products is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► unfortunately people don't care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► maybe at some point there will be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► scandal that's so bad that is so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► that it will actually become something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► that people care about but to date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► there's no evidence that that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► happen people value convenience they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► just they just do and and related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► that though that it actually is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► concerning like the whole echo thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► like I have I have echoes over my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► but the actual like it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► I mean amazon says that that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► that they're secure and all this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► stuff but there's no really recourse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► people if they were used badly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► really is just kind of trusting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► massive corporation is going to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► right thing and uh and yeah obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► people can and will track their network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► and make sure that it's only sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► when you know when Alexis triggered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► whatever might be and but then once it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► on the servers you don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► what's happening to it it really is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► massive massive problem unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► it's a problem that absent some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► like popular will it's hard to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► anything being done about it right once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► you once your yo dingus you know turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► out turn out the lights in the kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► command goes there you have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► and how long and lasts and what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► with it it's a bit as a black box so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► not discounting the privacy concerns but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► I think and it's just like it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► small example but just like how apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► that can run a version check and notify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► you of a new version it is a trade-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► of privacy where you know there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► information of yours that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► the developer and they can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► maybe you know a lot of times send other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► things too like what model McIntosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► you're on and how much RAM you have or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► something like that you're are trading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► some privacy by allowing the software to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► do it but in return you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► something of such convenience it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► much that the days when you used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► to manually you know like follow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► know there's to be a website like Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► update where you'd like part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► morning was go to Mac updating and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► was the other one version version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► tracker you'd go to version tracker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► just see if any of the software I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► has a new version out and if so go go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► and update it yeah I mean that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► actually part of my like daily routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► it seems like madness at this point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► convenience of these AI assistants the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► in were just just touching our toes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► it like I don't know I the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► about it and I know I've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► about it a lot more on the show like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► I were to go to a company like Apple or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► Microsoft or something or n8 or Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► like what what would I want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► working on I mean until now it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► unquestionably what I would want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► working on is you visual user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► stuff for the GUI I think if I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► there now I think the AI stuff would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► what I would want to work on because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► feel like there's so much potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► there wasn't it's interesting about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► echo and with the echo show is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► it's in some respects it was good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► Amazon to watch with just the speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► because it sort of it was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► original Mac launching without arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► keys so you like you had to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► mouse and like the foundation of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► being a voice interface was is baked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► very very deeply and so now the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► comes out and it has a screen but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► not a touch screen it's still all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► voice-controlled but it's a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► came out originally we say why there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► screen it's not touchscreen this is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► weird in people like wouldn't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► how to interact with it now it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► wow it's so much so convenient is it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► it's an echo with a screen like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► whole framing in the way you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► different because they it was a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► sort of limited product to start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► with I did not realize it was not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► touchscreen I find that shocking it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► not a touchscreen I know wow that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► shocking to me I find that crazy I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► that's a huge mistake I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► all sorts of things that you'd want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5338">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► do that you'd want to be able to touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► to confirm or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► wait ah yeah no that's I'm totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► it is a touchscreen oh I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► thought maybe someone at Amazon had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► stroke or something yeah I know I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► that's funny I don't know I knew it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► touchscreen and I guess I got stuck in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► my head that was not a touchscreen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► the the the point I was been meaning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► make talk about it ordered altitude no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► way man we're living on the point I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► to make though is the the primary means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► of interacting with it is is voice I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► it been a touchscreen to start out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► as I'm trying to say it would have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► would have been much more limited than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► it is because every developers all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► skills would have all been biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► towards touch now they're all biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► towards voice you can add on touch yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► that was weird I just completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► hallucinate for like five minutes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► I just wrote about it yesterday I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► about of being a touchscreen I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► think I do see your point that I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► your point though that it is it is voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► first and it matters what's first you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► know that the Mac being Mouse first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► influenced the design that the GUI in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► way that if you could have treated it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► keyboard first it that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► software would have been written because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► that's how all the other software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► all the other platforms was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► now is you could use an original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► Macintosh like if you had two of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► original Macintosh side by side and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► of them only had the mouse hooked up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► the other one only had the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► hooked up you could get more done on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► one that had the mouse hooked up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► there might have been things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► couldn't even do on the keyboard one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► yeah you couldn't even get to the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► bar the only thing you could do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► menu bar was have the keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► right and I mean in the long run day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► they brought them back and it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► it's better to have all you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► arrow he's there and right and whatnot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► but but as far as like getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► paradigm watch and and you know if had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► it been a touchscreen to start it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► have you know it that's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► like it it was just a phone but worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► because it's locked in went one spot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► the to really drive home that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► voice interface yeah I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► better off starting there but that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► the other thing though with the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► is I think this this calling thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► mentioned do talk board with the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► and stuff like that but I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► really is value to being able to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► initiate a conversation and probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► most interesting thing here in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► Amazon totally sort of ripped off one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► their one of their companies like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► they have a venture fund for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► companies that enamel acts have built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► there's company that built a voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► communication device that has the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► built in and it's basically Amazon just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► completely Sherlock them it which is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► enough when its software and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► probably far more painful when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► hardware but once you have trusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► people you can drop in which basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► means you can initiate a call without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► there having to go through it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► actually answer it or do whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► you just be like sort of instant sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► thing now if that sounds terrible a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► situations but for me I'm in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► a separate office from down the street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► from from the house to be able just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► turn on bail to literally drop in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► someone if I was working from home to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► have some be able to you know come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► the stop the door stick their head in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► it's the same sort of idea obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► you're not gonna use it all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► the possibility I think is is compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► and interesting and fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► different from FaceTime fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► different from having to get your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► and pull it out for the kids to call you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► know grandma like something like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► really is more convenient than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► I forget what it was in the context on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► one of these things where I was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► know but just how crude all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► things whether whatever your favorite is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► you know the Alexa platform or Siri or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► Google or whatever it's so early days on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► them that will we will look back and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► know this is like to the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► personal computer like what the Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► was in 1981 you know its we're just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► the tip of the iceberg but that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► see where we're going and I wrote that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► know really what I want is I want like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► c-3po but I thought about a couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► later I realized I was totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► that that's too much because the that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► a having the actual like robot who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► walk around is an entirely different set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► of problems for these AI assistants what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► I want is how from 2001 and I I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► that and I feel like every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► bring up how everybody just goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► immediately to yeah but he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► killed a bunch of astronauts and tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► to kill the other you know tried to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► the last one too and had to be how'd it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► be put right on alright put aside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► hahaha and he but he did kill people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► a very logical reason you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► don't want to spoil the movie but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► you know and about it if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► watched doesn't what do you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► doesn't one but if you just if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► about the stuff that how does in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► movie and how the astronauts interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► with them it's exactly where we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► it is exactly the it is it it could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► everybody is racing towards how where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► it's not just a voice in a speaker where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► you can ask how you know what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► the square root of 256 or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► that and get an answer it's that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► the home automation integration where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► you can say things like tell your dingus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► to you know close all the blinds if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► have blinds that are hooked up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► smart house or something like that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► change the color of your lights or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► something like that like that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► ran the spaceship is they would tell how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► to you know open the pod bay doors or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► something like that like that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► where we're going with all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► and it's you know and you watch and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► of the things that you know if Kubrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► got so well in that movie is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► you know from the perspective of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► somebody watching it in 1968 it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► whiz-bang futuristic stuff like wow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► can tell how to open the door and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► door opens but the astronauts acted like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► it was the most normal thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► world because they were used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► anyway I think everybody needs to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► how and realize that that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► where we're going any other thing too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► about how was that and it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► been so easy from 1968 perspective to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► imagine how as a big refrigerator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► computing device that's located in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► the bridge of the spaceship and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► think of that you know because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► everywhere right they were just little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► little red cameras all around the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► he was a system that was running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► throughout the whole ship right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► that's exactly the model of like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► in the Amazon tivity where you you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► could sprinkle these dots throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► your house so that you know if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► upstairs or downstairs you can access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► the exact same system the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► other I completely agree I think it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► great example of of the what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► everyone is going for the other point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► would make I was just think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► in terms of FaceTime is Google launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► a FaceTime competitor I came or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► um wowing or was it a low no hellos the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► chat app we have weirdly they launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► two apps separately the Google duo yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► I mean it's a problem the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► that is it's a separate app you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► go download it etc and it's work beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► you know why FaceTime is built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► now obviously the advantage is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► through I could go across platform then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► you're competing against Skype those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► which which has similar capability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► it's just it's just a hard is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► Google's problem is always sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► go-to-market how they actually get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► products and technology into people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► hands and you know obviously Android is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► one way to do that but then you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► the other cross people on iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5817">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► download its anyhow it's hard my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► impression of Google from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► and a load a load duo thing is a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► example of it is that they're their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► company culture is so resistant to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► you know like in and of itself there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► nothing on product like about a lo or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► duo but there's clearly no overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► strategy connecting the two or otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► they wouldn't exist as separate products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► but there's nobody I don't feel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► anybody in position of authority to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► of crack that whip and and guide it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► you know it's just a thousand individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► cats wandering around Mountain View [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► doing whatever the hell they want yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► I don't know it is it is it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► certainly does not seem ideal but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► difference here with the with Alexa and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► this voice calling is because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► show device like there is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► reason to download the app and to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► because there is capability that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► it's it's not just a ripoff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► actually doing something new and unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► that is worth going to the trouble of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► downloading the app for and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► actually I would argue much more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► threat in the long run to FaceTime than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► Google or Skype whatever even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► those have the advantage of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► cross-platform but also has this third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► dimension that makes you want to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► use it hmm yeah I can sort of see that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► wonder how many people use a low I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► really hear about it anymore seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► one of those things that you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► example using it well I mean this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► it's created for Google's benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► because they need a chat app right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► like there's there's no market need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► it like there are plenty of chat apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► and this is the and you can't they added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► some features like you can't just tack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► on some features like you have to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► have to create a fund like the echo show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► creates a fundamentally new use case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► video calling because it's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► omnipresent object in a civil occasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► like you know in a place where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► actually makes sense yes it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► landline and blah blah blah but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► you can't when you're wondering on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► house and your phone with you to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► just shout out call whoever and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► call other echoes you can it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► can call from echo to phone like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► it's a fundamentally new use case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► whereas these Google products had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► new features but the actual use case was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► well served by plenty of other apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► were there early and it's even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► difficult because it's a network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► products and the single most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► feature the single most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► feature of any chat app is do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► friends and family use it like nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► else matters beyond that yep because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► it's it's like the old argument about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► you know who bought the first fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► machine right who the hell are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► getting faxes from you just bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► first one but all of a sudden if one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► across town buys the second one all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► sudden you've got something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► valuable I mean it has more value than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► it did when you each was the only fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► machine on the on the phone network and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► this is what one thing was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► interesting was when the whole messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► app like revolution would not it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► very brief was like two or three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► and what happened was it was really one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► sort of country by country and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► countries which basically settle on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► service and that was it and it was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► like the fight was the it was done there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► was no more there's no more of a fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► to be had and you had companies like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► Chad and line spending all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► money trying to break into other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► countries but once you're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► established absent absent some massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► leap in functionality like the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► why messaging you know was such a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► deal is that in nearly every country the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► world except for the US you have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► for SMS and I think this is why they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► still this is why the US thing is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► fragmented and is much further much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► behind as opposed to like message it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► penetration I mean and why I message is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► probably the strongest the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► network because it's piggyback on SMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► but it's different it was different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► almost every other country in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► we're not having to pay is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► powerful way to drive adoption right uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► but once that was done once everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► already using a chat app that lets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► chat for free to get them to switch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► not just switch one person because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► have to switch everyone simultaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► at the same time is basically these all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► be difficult alright the lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► foresight that the carrier's had by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► trying to milk the SMS revenue at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► everybody free at the very least they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► they're attached to the phone right then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► a right number and we've got we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► like a at least got a sticky platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► like in the way that I message has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► very very good Apple even though they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► never once charged a send one of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► yeah right yes yeah I mean it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► apples but III probably - uh Natasha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► before for sure I've complained about of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► exponents but people often ask like or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► get emails whenever I write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► messaging messaging apps and people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► you know Oh Apple why is an iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► in the stock price well you know we ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► cent is worth X amount Facebook's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► X amount Facebook Apple stock should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► higher because they have this this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► iMessage is absolutely accounted for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► it's accounted for in the phone like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► is a reason why Apple can maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► charge such high margins on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► can maintain its share can be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► dominant in iMessage is it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► reason but it is a significant reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► why people on iPhones continue to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► iPhones and so it's super valuable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► it's just embedded in the iPhone yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► do think it might be discounted in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► ways but it's different than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► independent messaging platforms like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► yeah but if you broke it out if I messes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► was actually available on Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► and why is that's all that matters yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► maybe the iMessage category or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► division would be worth a lot but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► iPhone I think the cost that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► borne by the iPhone would actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► right alright anyway when there was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► rumor last year that Apple was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► ship uh I you know I message for Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► I I do believe in fact I heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► positively were mocks that were floated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► within Apple but that doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► there was ever any serious intention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► do it it's almost more like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► why wouldn't there be why wouldn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► at least you know sketch out how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► would work whether they have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► intention of doing it or not but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► seemed to me so unlikely because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► seemed to me like whatever they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► get from it they would lose in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► stickiness that my message gives to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► phone in terms of yeah any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► temptation you have if you have tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► tons of blue bubbles in your text with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► your friends and family any temptation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► you might have to switch to an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► phone when it dawns on you that you lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► all those AI messages and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► goes green it's like it maybe not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► and that's why they in that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► motivation for making AI messages more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► and more have more and more features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► and things like that I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► they've done a poor job of it but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► motivation is to differentiate it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► SMS even further so that yet to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► something else doesn't you know feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► yeah I mean I I you know I'm not a I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► not a big fan of I don't like using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► Android in part I'm not used to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► there's there's little things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6297">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► don't like um that that kinda off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► wall but without question the but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► still I have a pixel now I've use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► Android phones occasionally but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► messages without question the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► straight-up frustrating aspect of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► a Android phone for any period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► I don't like there's little stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► need with us a flirt or you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► student get over it you can't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► past their not being our message right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► but it's interesting to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► iMessage as a wholly owned proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► to iOS and Mac OS to a lesser degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► messaging platform that Apple owns and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► think about this and tell me if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► think this is interesting hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► but what if when Instagram was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► what if Apple had bought Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► interesting I think of I I think it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► of is like in the way that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► you know that it that the blue bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► are seen as having more status than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► green bubbles like imagine if there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► tens of millions of people sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► photos on Instagram you know and you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► only wait you couldn't even look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► unless you had an iPhone it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► interesting I mean because you're it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► valued destructive uh you know II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► according like theoretically its value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► destructive to by a sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► horizontal service and limit it to we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► platform in the context of the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► itself so like Instagram is worth what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► you know however a huge amount of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► vastly more than Facebook paid for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► they paid 1 million dollars I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► what I pay 1 billion but I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► wouldn't be surprised if they tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► sell it now I would I mean I would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► like 50 billion I don't know I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► all yes it's worth so much that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► almost you know you you have to it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► who whatever somebody would be willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► to pay for it it's kind of like a value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► on it and and they'd be pay they be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► willing to pay a lot but so it would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► be worth that it by itself but to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► Android came out and which was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► three days before Facebook bought it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► Instagram had in sort of like popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► culture even with only having however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► many users it had it was it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► thing it was very much a thing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► being on iOS and yeah I would it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► be a thing I think that's sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► longer-run question like would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► able to maintain that or would a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► cross-platform service really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► whether I mean snapchat would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► be much better shape today if if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► had done that uh being a something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► that's more broadly accessible and um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► it's a really missing it's a religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► point I Oh clearly Facebook would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► been would have if Apple had bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► Instagram Facebook would have done their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► best given we see what they do with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► snapchat they would have tried seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6477">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► different ways to copy Instagram you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► know whether it was with a their own new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► app or whether putting it in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► regular Facebook feed you know just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► they've copied snapchats stories gimmick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► like seven different ways so maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► would have been Facebook somehow would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► have done it but I still think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► something interesting there and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► necessarily like Instagram itself as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► Apple subsidiary wouldn't be worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► anywhere near what Instagram is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► today it's a Facebook subsidiary with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► all the so many more users but it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► but with the iPhone be worth that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► buy the iPhone might be worth more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► because people would be terrified of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► getting a different phone because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► wouldn't be able to share their stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► Instagram anymore and they've got 4,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► followers or whatever on Instagram and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► the only way they can keep that going is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► if they keep buying iPhones yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► can't help but think that that was I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► never heard this from anybody so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► just complete speculation on my part no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► not single birdy has ever said anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► conspicuous I thought it right at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► time that Instagram for Android shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► coincident with their acquisition from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► Facebook like it was only after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► Facebook acquisition was made official I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► forget if like all the eyes were dotted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► ya know it was like the same week yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► you know I cannot help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► Apple might have at least been at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► table and you know the fact you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► would be a lot easier to never have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► an Android version than to sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► Apple right exactly exactly Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► version and I think the only part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► that was even interesting to Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► that it was iOS exclusive yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► famously without without question yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► Instagram as it is today is not labeled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► available Apple and you're in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► right that you're not any cutting at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► right that's the funny thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► Instagram is more valuable today but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► wouldn't be more valuable to Apple it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► was only valuable to Apple as an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► exclusive and it emphasizes their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► product marketing that that camera is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► better on the iPhone uh that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► it kind of fit in yeah you know mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► Instagram account right after that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► Android version the more you mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► yeah I think they probably should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► Instagram would not be worth what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► today as a part of Apple and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► possible to your point another network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► will come along against and supplant it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► worth more than 1 billion dollars of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► value to the iPhone franchise without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► question I bet you don't have to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► that many marginal iPhones to to make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► a billion dollars I mean my end yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► it's it's a really interesting point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► even now today I may forget what year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► that was when that happened but even now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► today it's it plays even more into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► camera emphasis of Apple's iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► product marketing yeah absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► yep I agree I agree is amiss I need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► real the real shame is any script sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► at all I mean the I feel like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► would be so much healthier if I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► Instagram is really the purchase that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► cemented Facebook's dominance yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► because it's its Instagram that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► it's different enough from Facebook in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► way that it really the market need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► market niche that it's filling is uh is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► is really it was really a big a big hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► for Facebook and it'd be nice was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► independent company it's yeah yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► it's it a terrific complement to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► Facebook and it's a better Twitter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► Twitter in some ways or at least a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► Twitter it's a Twitter that knows and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► love Twitter I do love Twitter and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► Instagram is of course completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► pointless and useless for something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► news like as we speak today 24 hours ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► we just found out that the Trump fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► the head of the FBI it was a I'm sure I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► don't know if what you did if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► up maybe you were sleeping at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► but as soon as you found out about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► bet you went to Twitter right right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► mean you know politics over there side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6717">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► when I found out that Trump fired head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► of the FBI is investigating his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► campaigns ties to Russia I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► Twitter to see you know what were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► news articles that were coming out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► were people who I was opinion I value on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► such subjects Instagram has nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► do with something like that you don't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► to Instagram for breaking news but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► problem that twitter has that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► that's that's part of history badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► right right and that's part why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► you know it it but it's Twitter like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► that it's the same basic model that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► you it's very simple it's it's brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► it seems so obvious but nobody did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► before Twitter which is you have a feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► of the things you post and you pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6760">TS</a>]
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02:00:17 ◼ ► it's what I wrote about was more you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7217">TS</a>]
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02:00:23 ◼ ► got it yeah I hope I represented you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► Farrah do you feel like I represented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7226">TS</a>]
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02:00:32 ◼ ► disagree with me you're wrong which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► fine because we can we can talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► it should we should because I forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► jesting I would say that more like I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► more hey I usually agree with you but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7242">TS</a>]
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02:00:46 ◼ ► that for that that stance then anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► which doesn't make me dig in my heels it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► makes me think there's a good chance I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7253">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► wrong about this yeah and this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► the great things about writing for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7257">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► web generally that like it like you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► made this comment before and I've stolen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► it because I think it's such a great way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► to put it the goal I love being right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► but the way you're right is by fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► the parts when you're wrong right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► having tons of people giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► feedback and is a great way to get right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► much more quickly than was ever possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► before right I like to be right all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► time and a way to be right all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► is to catch the times that you're wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► and correct them and right is it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7286">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► that I totally stole that right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► from you but I think it's a great way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► think about right and too many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► who want to be right all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► it's and let's say they're right most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► the time it they're defensive about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► times that are wrong and when they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► wrong they you see it all the time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:45 ◼ ► see it in politics you see it in tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7305">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► you see that anything you follow but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► when they're wrong you can see it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:50 ◼ ► they're digging in and trying to spin a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7310">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► way to make it that they're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► whereas the racist thing in the world to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7315">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► do is to just publish an update and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7317">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► you know what totally wrong yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7319">TS</a>]
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02:02:04 ◼ ► actually I like it in some respects when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7324">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► something comes along that I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► about and sometimes I'm factually wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► easy correction I just screwed something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► up or whatever I'm like saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► there's no touchscreen sometimes like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► predictions are wrong or my analysis is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► wrong and in some respects I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► value that because as soon as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► happens I will write a big post that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► will say what I got wrong I'll say why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► got wrong my thought process that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► into it what part of my thought process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► in retrospect was incorrect and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► value that that accrues is not just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7357">TS</a>]
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02:02:43 ◼ ► of gives you capital to say other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7363">TS</a>]
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02:02:47 ◼ ► you more seriously because even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► what you're saying is wrong like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7370">TS</a>]
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02:02:55 ◼ ► won you will correct yourself in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7375">TS</a>]
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02:03:24 ◼ ► once in a while when you you know after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7404">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► correct a pretty big error or just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:29 ◼ ► know like oh I was convinced that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► all doors should open from the left but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► dude that's idiotic sometimes the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► should open from the right he publishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► you know you just say it like that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► sort of proof that the system works like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► I you know a way of you know I like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► think that when I'm wrong I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:47 ◼ ► recognize it instantly and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7427">TS</a>]
02:03:51 ◼ ► swallow my pride and do what I can to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7431">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► fix it as unambiguously as possible but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► if I don't do it for a while how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► know that I'm not even though I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:02 ◼ ► that that's what I'm willing to do how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7442">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► do I know that I'm not just going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► denial every time I'm wrong ya know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► exactly and this is something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► think about a ton like this idea of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► confirmation bias where you're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► always look for evidence that supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► your position and and what it takes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► a lot of like discipline to actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► look for reasons why you might be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► but then also just having like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► the the fact you get instant feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► and people pushing back on you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► forces you to to think about that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► it's wonder yeah so any I'll is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► stay sort of meta sort of commentary the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7477">TS</a>]
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02:04:45 ◼ ► review that I'm as a product review that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► I probably did the worst job on was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:50 ◼ ► original Apple watch and that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7490">TS</a>]
02:04:51 ◼ ► like a month later I wrote like a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7491">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► one was more or less the same basic idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► of here's this new product from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7495">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► what is it what do I think about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:00 ◼ ► the first one was just it I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7500">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► it wasn't awful but it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► poorly written but just I just never sat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► right with me and rereading it a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► later I was like just I did I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► it felt like a swing on a mess and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► feel like part of the problem was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:16 ◼ ► it was it was too much of a what's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7516">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► about this product review whereas it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► should have you know it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:24 ◼ ► written from that perspective I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7524">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► know if that's quite confirmation bias [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► but it's it Apple wouldn't do this if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► they didn't have a good reason to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:32 ◼ ► so what are those good reasons whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7532">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► think the story was more this is a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:37 ◼ ► know especially that 1.0 watch was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7537">TS</a>]
02:05:39 ◼ ► is a product that doesn't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7539">TS</a>]
02:05:41 ◼ ► yeah yeah no I mean it's funny I I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7541">TS</a>]
02:05:45 ◼ ► all over the place on the watch my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7545">TS</a>]
02:05:47 ◼ ► original take was that which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7547">TS</a>]
02:05:49 ◼ ► this is a product that is lacking vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7549">TS</a>]
02:05:52 ◼ ► I think that's get more accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7552">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► writings I was then I went back and I in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7554">TS</a>]
02:05:57 ◼ ► I actually fell into the like I had too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7557">TS</a>]
02:05:59 ◼ ► much faith in Apple like dunno really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7559">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► are they really just watching this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:02 ◼ ► beautiful device and then that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7562">TS</a>]
02:06:04 ◼ ► the point and and so I actually went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7564">TS</a>]
02:06:07 ◼ ► back and changed my mind and that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7567">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► very notorious contentious episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:10 ◼ ► exponent were being James arguing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7570">TS</a>]
02:06:11 ◼ ► it and then I and then eventually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7571">TS</a>]
02:06:14 ◼ ► didn't back my in this case my fix was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7574">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► actually wrong and worse and so I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► go back into like you know actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:22 ◼ ► had it right the first time and now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7582">TS</a>]
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02:06:28 ◼ ► right the first time but yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7588">TS</a>]
02:06:31 ◼ ► whatever it happens if you're giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7591">TS</a>]
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02:06:41 ◼ ► run in as we've spoken about this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7601">TS</a>]
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02:07:01 ◼ ► have done it I though I make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► certain amount the mister I pronounce it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:05 ◼ ► differently at the beginning so I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7625">TS</a>]
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02:07:17 ◼ ► tell people why people as what my slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7637">TS</a>]
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02:07:20 ◼ ► Google because the that's the to don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7640">TS</a>]
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02:07:36 ◼ ► exorbitant price he did eventually but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7656">TS</a>]
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02:07:51 ◼ ► writing is not Apple focused it not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7671">TS</a>]
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02:08:03 ◼ ► to do interesting things but you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7683">TS</a>]
02:08:04 ◼ ► spoken about this that when you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7684">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► articles or have like a column that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:08 ◼ ► sort of critical of Apple you you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7688">TS</a>]
02:08:11 ◼ ► like on subscriptions sometimes it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7691">TS</a>]
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02:08:16 ◼ ► that's always been the case I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7696">TS</a>]
02:08:17 ◼ ► was so when I started I wrote a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7697">TS</a>]
02:08:19 ◼ ► probably even more about Apple in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7699">TS</a>]
02:08:22 ◼ ► because that was the company I knew the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7702">TS</a>]
02:08:23 ◼ ► best like I've been following closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7703">TS</a>]
02:08:24 ◼ ► I'd written like I'd written a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7704">TS</a>]
02:08:26 ◼ ► paper about them in school uh like in I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7706">TS</a>]
02:08:29 ◼ ► spent a lot of time trying to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7709">TS</a>]
02:08:33 ◼ ► successful and I was saying in turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7713">TS</a>]
02:08:34 ◼ ► there um it at a university would in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7714">TS</a>]
02:08:37 ◼ ► what God came to learn and understand so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7717">TS</a>]
02:08:40 ◼ ► much about sort of the inner workings it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7720">TS</a>]
02:08:43 ◼ ► especially when I started also it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7723">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► when the whole Samsung is gonna is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:48 ◼ ► disrupting Apple narrative was was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7728">TS</a>]
02:08:52 ◼ ► and so I got tons of articles saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7732">TS</a>]
02:08:54 ◼ ► this is dumb like India trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7734">TS</a>]
02:08:56 ◼ ► explain Apple and their differentiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7736">TS</a>]
02:08:58 ◼ ► and back then it was controversial to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7738">TS</a>]
02:09:00 ◼ ► say that iOS it was not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7740">TS</a>]
02:09:03 ◼ ► swamped by Android and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7743">TS</a>]
02:09:04 ◼ ► working awfully on mass and all the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7744">TS</a>]
02:09:06 ◼ ► of stuff like that was still a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7746">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► back then yeah so I am an iPhone dead in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:11 ◼ ► the water Henry Blodgett right right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7751">TS</a>]
02:09:13 ◼ ► and the biggest you know as I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7753">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► recounted the sort of biggest event in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:19 ◼ ► the early church every day's for gaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7759">TS</a>]
02:09:21 ◼ ► readership was you linking to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7761">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► saying you know this is a fantastic new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:24 ◼ ► blog and you wink too much are a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7764">TS</a>]
02:09:26 ◼ ► of articles and as per kind of like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7766">TS</a>]
02:09:28 ◼ ► column this week like oh this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7768">TS</a>]
02:09:30 ◼ ► blog the really good biloba but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7770">TS</a>]
02:09:33 ◼ ► first time I disagree with mr. Thomson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7773">TS</a>]
02:09:34 ◼ ► that he like explained where explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7774">TS</a>]
02:09:36 ◼ ► where I was wrong um which but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7776">TS</a>]
02:09:39 ◼ ► an outright disagreement though not this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7779">TS</a>]
02:09:41 ◼ ► time this time it's like I said it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7781">TS</a>]
02:09:42 ◼ ► subtle difference of of wait I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7782">TS</a>]
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02:09:53 ◼ ► just waited that's the I was just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7793">TS</a>]
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02:09:58 ◼ ► you because then instead of just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7798">TS</a>]
02:09:59 ◼ ► how great it was I could also point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7799">TS</a>]
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02:10:09 ◼ ► to by Marco a couple times and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7809">TS</a>]
02:10:11 ◼ ► really started in the sort of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7811">TS</a>]
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02:10:16 ◼ ► started to grow so a lot of my initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7816">TS</a>]
02:10:18 ◼ ► followers were were in that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7818">TS</a>]
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02:10:26 ◼ ► Apple and services and basically I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7826">TS</a>]
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02:10:34 ◼ ► again is how companies are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7834">TS</a>]
02:10:35 ◼ ► shaped by their by their origin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7835">TS</a>]
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02:10:41 ◼ ► culture and the way they approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7841">TS</a>]
02:10:42 ◼ ► products for the entire life of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7842">TS</a>]
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02:10:45 ◼ ► talked about Microsoft talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7845">TS</a>]
02:10:46 ◼ ► Apple talked about a bunch of examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7846">TS</a>]
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02:10:53 ◼ ► services not because they're dumb but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7853">TS</a>]
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02:11:11 ◼ ► an amazing product company work against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7871">TS</a>]
02:11:13 ◼ ► being a great services company right ETL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7873">TS</a>]
02:11:16 ◼ ► people didn't want to hear after people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7876">TS</a>]
02:11:18 ◼ ► did not want to hear it so I had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7878">TS</a>]
02:11:20 ◼ ► started the daily update then and so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7880">TS</a>]
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02:12:21 ◼ ► certain flavor of Yankee fan who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:25 ◼ ► doesn't want to hear it that the Yankees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7945">TS</a>]
02:12:27 ◼ ► aren't the best team in baseball now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7947">TS</a>]
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02:12:29 ◼ ► team in baseball but but like last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7949">TS</a>]
02:12:32 ◼ ► last couple of years the Yankees have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7952">TS</a>]
02:12:33 ◼ ► been kind of you know there haven't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7953">TS</a>]
02:12:36 ◼ ► bad they haven't had a losing season but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7956">TS</a>]
02:12:37 ◼ ► there clearly were not going anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7957">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► championship and any kind of sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:43 ◼ ► coverage along the lines of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7963">TS</a>]
02:12:45 ◼ ► it's not really a great strategy to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7965">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► paying 27 million dollars to a 41 41 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:50 ◼ ► year old Alex Rodriguez with a bad hip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7970">TS</a>]
02:12:53 ◼ ► and the Yankees fans like wow what well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7973">TS</a>]
02:12:55 ◼ ► how can you you know why do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7975">TS</a>]
02:12:56 ◼ ► write about the Yankees if you hate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7976">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► right like unfollow and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7978">TS</a>]
02:13:01 ◼ ► actually he's just sort of an expert on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7981">TS</a>]
02:13:03 ◼ ► baseball and he's pointing out something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7983">TS</a>]
02:13:04 ◼ ► that's actually pretty obvious which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7984">TS</a>]
02:13:06 ◼ ► that you know having old people on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7986">TS</a>]
02:13:09 ◼ ► team is not a good way to win it sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7989">TS</a>]
02:13:11 ◼ ► yeah and I it's a great it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7991">TS</a>]
02:13:13 ◼ ► thing for Apple it's one of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7993">TS</a>]
02:13:14 ◼ ► really core strengths is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7994">TS</a>]
02:13:19 ◼ ► devotion that Apple has fans right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7999">TS</a>]
02:13:22 ◼ ► it's that's not a from a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8002">TS</a>]
02:13:24 ◼ ► perspective I look I put my business a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8004">TS</a>]
02:13:25 ◼ ► nose hat on and I that's amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8005">TS</a>]
02:13:28 ◼ ► it's something that Apple uses as a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8008">TS</a>]
02:13:31 ◼ ► as a strategic tool again and again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8011">TS</a>]
02:13:34 ◼ ► they that's that's how the iPhone know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8014">TS</a>]
02:13:38 ◼ ► they would go into a country and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8018">TS</a>]
02:13:40 ◼ ► would dictate terms and deleting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8020">TS</a>]
02:13:43 ◼ ► carriers would say no and then they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8023">TS</a>]
02:13:45 ◼ ► the second place carrier and often they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8025">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► say no they go to third place carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:48 ◼ ► who's desperate to catch up and say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8028">TS</a>]
02:13:51 ◼ ► we accept your terms and then the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8031">TS</a>]
02:13:53 ◼ ► is on the carrier like Japan is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8033">TS</a>]
02:13:55 ◼ ► the classic example of this Softbank was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8035">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► well in third place and the iPhone is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:00 ◼ ► Softbank and people started switching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8040">TS</a>]
02:14:04 ◼ ► their carriers which they never did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8044">TS</a>]
02:14:06 ◼ ► before to get the iPhone and by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8046">TS</a>]
02:14:09 ◼ ► large particularly at the beginning they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8049">TS</a>]
02:14:11 ◼ ► were Apple fans who already loved Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8051">TS</a>]
02:14:13 ◼ ► loved Apple products desperately wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8053">TS</a>]
02:14:14 ◼ ► an iPhone and they switched this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8054">TS</a>]
02:14:16 ◼ ► happened the US was eight with AT&T same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8056">TS</a>]
02:14:17 ◼ ► thing and over time then Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8057">TS</a>]
02:14:20 ◼ ► eventually now the iPhone is on all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8060">TS</a>]
02:14:23 ◼ ► carriers and it's on Apple's terms with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8063">TS</a>]
02:14:25 ◼ ► all of them and that's all because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8065">TS</a>]
02:14:27 ◼ ► the devotion that people have the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8067">TS</a>]
02:14:29 ◼ ► it's an amazing it's a it's an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8069">TS</a>]
02:14:31 ◼ ► tool well uh what what a weird duck the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8071">TS</a>]
02:14:35 ◼ ► Verizon iPhone 4 was right it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8075">TS</a>]
02:14:38 ◼ ► that it's like the only sort of half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8078">TS</a>]
02:14:40 ◼ ► live phone that was ever made like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8080">TS</a>]
02:14:42 ◼ ► not just like when we'll get to this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8082">TS</a>]
02:14:43 ◼ ► a minute or two but not like oK we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8083">TS</a>]
02:14:45 ◼ ► made the pie from seven in red I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8085">TS</a>]
02:14:48 ◼ ► that's just a color it was available in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8088">TS</a>]
02:14:51 ◼ ► white though because remember the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8091">TS</a>]
02:14:52 ◼ ► phone was super delayed yeah but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8092">TS</a>]
02:14:55 ◼ ► the Verizon one shipped it the white one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8095">TS</a>]
02:14:56 ◼ ► still wasn't even out so like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8096">TS</a>]
02:14:58 ◼ ► the Verizon won't shipped in early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8098">TS</a>]
02:15:00 ◼ ► February but it was weird it I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8100">TS</a>]
02:15:02 ◼ ► it was the same time yeah but we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8102">TS</a>]
02:15:04 ◼ ► like it was still weird yeah yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8104">TS</a>]
02:15:05 ◼ ► like eight months later and had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8105">TS</a>]
02:15:07 ◼ ► different antenna you know had the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8107">TS</a>]
02:15:09 ◼ ► modern iPhone 4s antenna design not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8109">TS</a>]
02:15:12 ◼ ► the slightly problematic and tenha gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8112">TS</a>]
02:15:17 ◼ ► the GSM version anyway what a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8117">TS</a>]
02:15:19 ◼ ► thing all right so let's do this yes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8119">TS</a>]
02:15:25 ◼ ► the yeah so basically the overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8125">TS</a>]
02:15:28 ◼ ► premise is that in China the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8128">TS</a>]
02:15:33 ◼ ► interface WeChat is so dominant that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8133">TS</a>]
02:15:37 ◼ ► reduces sort of the software lock-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8137">TS</a>]
02:15:40 ◼ ► that an iPhone has which makes it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8140">TS</a>]
02:15:43 ◼ ► viable to switch a very sort of high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8143">TS</a>]
02:15:46 ◼ ► level that's it and I would just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8146">TS</a>]
02:15:48 ◼ ► tap down one level which means when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8148">TS</a>]
02:15:51 ◼ ► talk about the the walk-in it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8151">TS</a>]
02:15:53 ◼ ► a walk-in in in that there's no iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8153">TS</a>]
02:15:55 ◼ ► or that apps are available in both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8155">TS</a>]
02:15:57 ◼ ► platforms which is the case I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8157">TS</a>]
02:15:58 ◼ ► there's no app that's why I use in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8158">TS</a>]
02:16:00 ◼ ► that's not available on Android like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8160">TS</a>]
02:16:02 ◼ ► it's not really an iOS first sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8162">TS</a>]
02:16:04 ◼ ► environment the way it is in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8164">TS</a>]
02:16:07 ◼ ► we're even still there'll be hot new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8167">TS</a>]
02:16:09 ◼ ► apps that are there iOS only to start so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8169">TS</a>]
02:16:11 ◼ ► that's not so that's part of it but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8171">TS</a>]
02:16:15 ◼ ► interaction it's the user interface when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8175">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► you're in one app all the time you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:20 ◼ ► using that app and that's the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8180">TS</a>]
02:16:23 ◼ ► way that you experience your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8183">TS</a>]
02:16:24 ◼ ► whereas in the u.s. yes we may use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8184">TS</a>]
02:16:27 ◼ ► Facebook and uber and and PayPal or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8187">TS</a>]
02:16:32 ◼ ► Square cash or whatever it might be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8192">TS</a>]
02:16:34 ◼ ► are all analogs for WeChat functions but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8194">TS</a>]
02:16:37 ◼ ► every time you switch an app every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8197">TS</a>]
02:16:39 ◼ ► use the app switcher every time you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8199">TS</a>]
02:16:41 ◼ ► that's all interact with the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8201">TS</a>]
02:16:43 ◼ ► system your interact with the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8203">TS</a>]
02:16:44 ◼ ► system constantly on and Ayana and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8204">TS</a>]
02:16:48 ◼ ► China you're not really interacting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8208">TS</a>]
02:16:52 ◼ ► the operating system at all so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8212">TS</a>]
02:16:53 ◼ ► no even the little niggling things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8213">TS</a>]
02:16:56 ◼ ► moving stuff around is is reduced and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8216">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► the lock-in is not just about a actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:04 ◼ ► like on paper locking it's like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8224">TS</a>]
02:17:06 ◼ ► user experience lock-in is less as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8226">TS</a>]
02:17:09 ◼ ► it almost sounds to me like it's used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8229">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► for so much that it's actually a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:13 ◼ ► that iOS doesn't let you define you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8233">TS</a>]
02:17:18 ◼ ► like like they don't show the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8238">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► anymore but you know how like from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► lockscreen you can jump right to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:23 ◼ ► camera by swiping to the side and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8243">TS</a>]
02:17:25 ◼ ► they first introduced that feature they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8245">TS</a>]
02:17:28 ◼ ► corner right yell and you could like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8248">TS</a>]
02:17:30 ◼ ► think used to drag up instead of drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8250">TS</a>]
02:17:32 ◼ ► over um like they've changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8252">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► interaction but the idea is here's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:37 ◼ ► app that's so important and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8257">TS</a>]
02:17:40 ◼ ► obviously cameras a little different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8260">TS</a>]
02:17:41 ◼ ► than we chat because camera it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8261">TS</a>]
02:17:42 ◼ ► a fleeting moment you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8262">TS</a>]
02:17:44 ◼ ► capture so the being able to get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8264">TS</a>]
02:17:45 ◼ ► quick it's not just that you use it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8265">TS</a>]
02:17:46 ◼ ► lot but that getting there quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8266">TS</a>]
02:17:50 ◼ ► difference between getting the shot not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8270">TS</a>]
02:17:52 ◼ ► getting the shot um but iOS doesn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8272">TS</a>]
02:17:55 ◼ ► you do things like say let me put WeChat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8275">TS</a>]
02:17:58 ◼ ► on my lock screen so I can jump right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8278">TS</a>]
02:18:01 ◼ ► we chat from a locked phone right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8281">TS</a>]
02:18:04 ◼ ► like you did none of that's configurable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8284">TS</a>]
02:18:06 ◼ ► and it sounds to me like we chat is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8286">TS</a>]
02:18:07 ◼ ► central into the experience in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8287">TS</a>]
02:18:09 ◼ ► that the iPhone would be a better OS if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8289">TS</a>]
02:18:12 ◼ ► you could yeah well it's not it in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8292">TS</a>]
02:18:16 ◼ ► respects all the all the sort of lock in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8296">TS</a>]
02:18:20 ◼ ► occasionally mild irritants uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8300">TS</a>]
02:18:23 ◼ ► here but by and large the iPhone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8303">TS</a>]
02:18:25 ◼ ► the Apple's built-in stuff is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8305">TS</a>]
02:18:27 ◼ ► good enough that it's it's fine like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8307">TS</a>]
02:18:29 ◼ ► know you can't switch the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8309">TS</a>]
02:18:30 ◼ ► browser you can switch the default email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8310">TS</a>]
02:18:31 ◼ ► client or all sorts that little stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8311">TS</a>]
02:18:34 ◼ ► that that can be kind of irritating if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8314">TS</a>]
02:18:35 ◼ ► you care but at the end of the day it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8315">TS</a>]
02:18:37 ◼ ► not that big a deal in China it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8317">TS</a>]
02:18:39 ◼ ► more of it's much more of an irritant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8319">TS</a>]
02:18:41 ◼ ► like any member Android there is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8321">TS</a>]
02:18:43 ◼ ► completely it's not Google Android it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8323">TS</a>]
02:18:46 ◼ ► all it they're all like Chinese variants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8326">TS</a>]
02:18:49 ◼ ► and and a lot of them are offer much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8329">TS</a>]
02:18:52 ◼ ► more sort of flexibility Zi and Whittle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8332">TS</a>]
02:18:56 ◼ ► you know they just use phones kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8336">TS</a>]
02:18:59 ◼ ► differently than we do here and so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8339">TS</a>]
02:19:00 ◼ ► some respects and iPhone is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8340">TS</a>]
02:19:02 ◼ ► it's not just that because you're most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8342">TS</a>]
02:19:04 ◼ ► using WeChat the experience is mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8344">TS</a>]
02:19:06 ◼ ► the same in some respects it's arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8346">TS</a>]
02:19:09 ◼ ► actually worse in a way that it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8349">TS</a>]
02:19:11 ◼ ► you know in other parts of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8351">TS</a>]
02:19:12 ◼ ► yeah then that's that is terrible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8352">TS</a>]
02:19:16 ◼ ► Apple and so let's just say this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8356">TS</a>]
02:19:18 ◼ ► we get into speculation or analysts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8358">TS</a>]
02:19:21 ◼ ► it's just a fact it's a statement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8361">TS</a>]
02:19:23 ◼ ► fact that iPhone sales in China are down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8363">TS</a>]
02:19:25 ◼ ► year over year I think in the just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8365">TS</a>]
02:19:27 ◼ ► completed quarter they were down 14% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8367">TS</a>]
02:19:30 ◼ ► yeah in the second year in a row they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8370">TS</a>]
02:19:34 ◼ ► two years in a row and until then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8374">TS</a>]
02:19:37 ◼ ► were the the it was it it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8377">TS</a>]
02:19:42 ◼ ► different it's almost like a v-shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8382">TS</a>]
02:19:43 ◼ ► curve I think it's fair to say where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8383">TS</a>]
02:19:46 ◼ ► was it was rising very quickly you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8386">TS</a>]
02:19:48 ◼ ► over a year and then all of a sudden now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8388">TS</a>]
02:19:50 ◼ ► it's dropping your veer wasn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8390">TS</a>]
02:19:53 ◼ ► there's no plateau really I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8393">TS</a>]
02:19:55 ◼ ► and so why I mean it's a fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8395">TS</a>]
02:19:58 ◼ ► iPhone sales are down it is also we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8398">TS</a>]
02:20:01 ◼ ► can't say it's a fact but there's least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8401">TS</a>]
02:20:03 ◼ ► to market research studies like you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8403">TS</a>]
02:20:06 ◼ ► found one that was written in Chinese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8406">TS</a>]
02:20:08 ◼ ► and then there's another one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8408">TS</a>]
02:20:09 ◼ ► Business Insider linked up last year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8409">TS</a>]
02:20:12 ◼ ► forget who some us analyst firm but both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8412">TS</a>]
02:20:15 ◼ ► of them found roughly the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8415">TS</a>]
02:20:16 ◼ ► which is that um in 2016 in China iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8416">TS</a>]
02:20:21 ◼ ► users people who already owned an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8421">TS</a>]
02:20:23 ◼ ► and they if they bought a new smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8423">TS</a>]
02:20:25 ◼ ► only about 50 to 55 percent of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8425">TS</a>]
02:20:28 ◼ ► bought another iPhone and in the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8428">TS</a>]
02:20:31 ◼ ► the world that number ranges from around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8431">TS</a>]
02:20:34 ◼ ► there like the mid 70s in Japan to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8434">TS</a>]
02:20:36 ◼ ► mid 80s in the US and UK and the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8436">TS</a>]
02:20:38 ◼ ► 80s in Germany and so we can't say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8438">TS</a>]
02:20:43 ◼ ► a fact that 50 percent of Chinese iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8443">TS</a>]
02:20:46 ◼ ► users bought an Android phone last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8446">TS</a>]
02:20:48 ◼ ► but we can say it's a fact that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8448">TS</a>]
02:20:49 ◼ ► market research studies that seem pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8449">TS</a>]
02:20:51 ◼ ► well rigorously performed to me say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8451">TS</a>]
02:20:54 ◼ ► right and it's shown in Apple's numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8454">TS</a>]
02:20:57 ◼ ► - I mean there's there several there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8457">TS</a>]
02:20:59 ◼ ► several data points to triangulate on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8459">TS</a>]
02:21:01 ◼ ► here right in it that in that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8461">TS</a>]
02:21:03 ◼ ► like that's a stunning difference like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8463">TS</a>]
02:21:05 ◼ ► it's not like it's one it's not small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8465">TS</a>]
02:21:07 ◼ ► but - I mean one of the real points that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8467">TS</a>]
02:21:11 ◼ ► I talked about going back to those Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8471">TS</a>]
02:21:13 ◼ ► arguments you know back when I first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8473">TS</a>]
02:21:14 ◼ ► started checker II like one of the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8474">TS</a>]
02:21:16 ◼ ► things that was critical to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8476">TS</a>]
02:21:18 ◼ ► with the iPhone is that iPhone users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8478">TS</a>]
02:21:19 ◼ ► bought new iPhones and Android users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8479">TS</a>]
02:21:22 ◼ ► often changed and if you just play that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8482">TS</a>]
02:21:25 ◼ ► out in the long run in a saturated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8485">TS</a>]
02:21:27 ◼ ► market that's actually the Apple's favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8487">TS</a>]
02:21:29 ◼ ► because they're going to keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8489">TS</a>]
02:21:30 ◼ ► users and they're just going to slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8490">TS</a>]
02:21:32 ◼ ► keep adding other ones and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8492">TS</a>]
02:21:35 ◼ ► interesting about this this core the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8495">TS</a>]
02:21:38 ◼ ► iPhone 7 both this quarter and last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8498">TS</a>]
02:21:40 ◼ ► quarter is that if you exclude China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8500">TS</a>]
02:21:43 ◼ ► yeah like it is still growing and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8503">TS</a>]
02:21:46 ◼ ► growing nicely and it's growing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8506">TS</a>]
02:21:48 ◼ ► quote-unquote saturated markets and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8508">TS</a>]
02:21:50 ◼ ► is exactly in this is something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8510">TS</a>]
02:21:52 ◼ ► I've been I've been writing since way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8512">TS</a>]
02:21:54 ◼ ► back when that actually a saturated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8514">TS</a>]
02:21:56 ◼ ► is going to be good for Apple because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8516">TS</a>]
02:21:58 ◼ ► this you know if you just pull out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8518">TS</a>]
02:22:00 ◼ ► math and Tim Cook has made that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8520">TS</a>]
02:22:02 ◼ ► but it's more compelling from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8522">TS</a>]
02:22:04 ◼ ► because he is to draw about her well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8524">TS</a>]
02:22:07 ◼ ► yeah you and I were chatting about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8527">TS</a>]
02:22:09 ◼ ► and you you completely convinced me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8529">TS</a>]
02:22:11 ◼ ► you you you made me rethink my take on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8531">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► apples just complete a quarter that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8534">TS</a>]
02:22:17 ◼ ► actually pretty good except that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8537">TS</a>]
02:22:19 ◼ ► really stinky in China right and in it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8539">TS</a>]
02:22:23 ◼ ► good in a it's good in an understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8543">TS</a>]
02:22:25 ◼ ► predictable way right it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8545">TS</a>]
02:22:27 ◼ ► these these growing numbers like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8547">TS</a>]
02:22:29 ◼ ► look at Apple growing no if you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8549">TS</a>]
02:22:31 ◼ ► think through and you you've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8551">TS</a>]
02:22:33 ◼ ► about it before why advertising would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8553">TS</a>]
02:22:35 ◼ ► compelling on mobile because mobile is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8555">TS</a>]
02:22:36 ◼ ► so important to your life well if mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8556">TS</a>]
02:22:40 ◼ ► that means of all the objects even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8560">TS</a>]
02:22:42 ◼ ► you have to save money or cut costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8562">TS</a>]
02:22:43 ◼ ► what's the one object you're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8563">TS</a>]
02:22:46 ◼ ► going to splurge on all right probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8566">TS</a>]
02:22:48 ◼ ► the object that's the single most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8568">TS</a>]
02:22:49 ◼ ► important object in your life right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8569">TS</a>]
02:22:51 ◼ ► that's the iPhone that's Apple and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8571">TS</a>]
02:22:53 ◼ ► iMessage thing and having blue bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8573">TS</a>]
02:22:55 ◼ ► in the status that confers to it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8575">TS</a>]
02:22:57 ◼ ► fact people use it all the time and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8577">TS</a>]
02:22:58 ◼ ► all that stuff like there's just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8578">TS</a>]
02:23:01 ◼ ► no reason to why would you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8581">TS</a>]
02:23:04 ◼ ► switch and whereas there are reasons to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8584">TS</a>]
02:23:07 ◼ ► go in the other direction and this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8587">TS</a>]
02:23:08 ◼ ► always been the problem of being an om [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8588">TS</a>]
02:23:10 ◼ ► whether it be a Windows OEM that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8590">TS</a>]
02:23:12 ◼ ► talked about before like HP and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8592">TS</a>]
02:23:13 ◼ ► pattern you know what's the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8593">TS</a>]
02:23:15 ◼ ► same thing with Android like at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8595">TS</a>]
02:23:17 ◼ ► the day what's really the difference yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8597">TS</a>]
02:23:18 ◼ ► Samsung is doing some innovative stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8598">TS</a>]
02:23:22 ◼ ► sustainable that's not a sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8602">TS</a>]
02:23:23 ◼ ► advantage and uh whereas Apple's has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8603">TS</a>]
02:23:27 ◼ ► always had the software part and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8607">TS</a>]
02:23:28 ◼ ► so critical I think that's a you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8608">TS</a>]
02:23:32 ◼ ► worth underlining again just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8612">TS</a>]
02:23:35 ◼ ► interesting that observation is and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8615">TS</a>]
02:23:36 ◼ ► convinced that it's true but if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8616">TS</a>]
02:23:39 ◼ ► back six seven the last five six seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8619">TS</a>]
02:23:42 ◼ ► years I think that the and and going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8622">TS</a>]
02:23:46 ◼ ► the error you were talking about where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8626">TS</a>]
02:23:48 ◼ ► the the the narrative was that Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8628">TS</a>]
02:23:51 ◼ ► is coming to eat apples lunch because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8631">TS</a>]
02:23:53 ◼ ► some combination of you can't stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8633">TS</a>]
02:23:57 ◼ ► differentiated forever and the majority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8637">TS</a>]
02:24:00 ◼ ► oh we saw what happened the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8640">TS</a>]
02:24:02 ◼ ► with Windows and Mac the majority OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8642">TS</a>]
02:24:04 ◼ ► eventually eats the other one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8644">TS</a>]
02:24:08 ◼ ► I think part of that narrative at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8648">TS</a>]
02:24:09 ◼ ► time too though was that the go-go years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8649">TS</a>]
02:24:15 ◼ ► countries and in the rural countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8655">TS</a>]
02:24:17 ◼ ► expanding the new carriers like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8657">TS</a>]
02:24:20 ◼ ► exclusive on AT&T for four years and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8660">TS</a>]
02:24:23 ◼ ► all of a sudden you've got Verizon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8663">TS</a>]
02:24:25 ◼ ► in a year later you had Sprint and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8665">TS</a>]
02:24:26 ◼ ► t-mobile and you know and obviously that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8666">TS</a>]
02:24:29 ◼ ► was the Go Go the true gogo years of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8669">TS</a>]
02:24:31 ◼ ► iPhone were based on that and but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8671">TS</a>]
02:24:33 ◼ ► narrative was well that's over now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8673">TS</a>]
02:24:35 ◼ ► it's a the markets are getting saturated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8675">TS</a>]
02:24:37 ◼ ► and that dooms the iPhone I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8677">TS</a>]
02:24:40 ◼ ► you have a really compelling case that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8680">TS</a>]
02:24:41 ◼ ► the saturated markets are actually good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8681">TS</a>]
02:24:43 ◼ ► for the iPhone right then they'll the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8683">TS</a>]
02:24:46 ◼ ► only real danger that the iPhone faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8686">TS</a>]
02:24:48 ◼ ► in most of the world is people holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8688">TS</a>]
02:24:50 ◼ ► on to their iPhones longer like no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8690">TS</a>]
02:24:52 ◼ ► like no one again outside China is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8692">TS</a>]
02:24:54 ◼ ► really switching away it's just the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8694">TS</a>]
02:24:57 ◼ ► phones are so good now that you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8697">TS</a>]
02:24:59 ◼ ► a phone for four four to three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8699">TS</a>]
02:25:01 ◼ ► whereas maybe before like the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8701">TS</a>]
02:25:04 ◼ ► in year to year the difference every two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8704">TS</a>]
02:25:05 ◼ ► years was so huge I mean I'm never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8705">TS</a>]
02:25:07 ◼ ► from like I actually you know sighs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8707">TS</a>]
02:25:09 ◼ ► know I was reported back when I was poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8709">TS</a>]
02:25:12 ◼ ► and a student I only got a phone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8712">TS</a>]
02:25:15 ◼ ► two years so I got the 3G and then I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8715">TS</a>]
02:25:17 ◼ ► the UM not the 3GS because when I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8717">TS</a>]
02:25:21 ◼ ► and then and ipod touch before then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8721">TS</a>]
02:25:25 ◼ ► then I got the skip to for and I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8725">TS</a>]
02:25:28 ◼ ► 4s I've been going from the 3GS to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8728">TS</a>]
02:25:30 ◼ ► 4s it was such an unbelievable leap in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8730">TS</a>]
02:25:33 ◼ ► every single aspect of the phone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8733">TS</a>]
02:25:35 ◼ ► form factor was so superior you had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8735">TS</a>]
02:25:38 ◼ ► Retina screen it was a million times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8738">TS</a>]
02:25:40 ◼ ► faster like just it was amazing whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8740">TS</a>]
02:25:43 ◼ ► going from a six to a seven it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8743">TS</a>]
02:25:46 ◼ ► definitely faster you feel that uh in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8746">TS</a>]
02:25:48 ◼ ► going back in the button feels weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8748">TS</a>]
02:25:51 ◼ ► it's like that but at the end of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8751">TS</a>]
02:25:53 ◼ ► could i it just the the delta from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8753">TS</a>]
02:25:57 ◼ ► way it's experienced is much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8757">TS</a>]
02:25:58 ◼ ► than is and this is the case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8758">TS</a>]
02:25:59 ◼ ► technology it's always the case that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8759">TS</a>]
02:26:01 ◼ ► get kind of decreasing returns but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8761">TS</a>]
02:26:04 ◼ ► not going to switch away yeah the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8764">TS</a>]
02:26:07 ◼ ► I think that the the 4s was right around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8767">TS</a>]
02:26:09 ◼ ► the time to where I phone was arguably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8769">TS</a>]
02:26:14 ◼ ► reasonable point and shoot camera in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8774">TS</a>]
02:26:16 ◼ ► of itself whereas the 3GS of is still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8776">TS</a>]
02:26:20 ◼ ► yep leggo it's it's been so long now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8780">TS</a>]
02:26:22 ◼ ► people take so many pictures on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8782">TS</a>]
02:26:24 ◼ ► phones that it's hard to imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8784">TS</a>]
02:26:26 ◼ ► like in the early years of the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8786">TS</a>]
02:26:27 ◼ ► cellphone cameras were took like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8787">TS</a>]
02:26:30 ◼ ► second a totally it was almost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8790">TS</a>]
02:26:32 ◼ ► different medium than I've done a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8792">TS</a>]
02:26:34 ◼ ► photo you know it was no Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8794">TS</a>]
02:26:36 ◼ ► that's not part of all Instagram but off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8796">TS</a>]
02:26:37 ◼ ► the ground because your 3G I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8797">TS</a>]
02:26:39 ◼ ► came out with a 3GS in or right around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8799">TS</a>]
02:26:41 ◼ ► that and your phones were so bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8801">TS</a>]
02:26:43 ◼ ► the filters were just a cool effect they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8803">TS</a>]
02:26:45 ◼ ► actually made a mic passable right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8805">TS</a>]
02:26:47 ◼ ► disguised the the lack of optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8807">TS</a>]
02:26:50 ◼ ► quality in the originals you know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8810">TS</a>]
02:26:52 ◼ ► right it was true it was also true too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8812">TS</a>]
02:26:58 ◼ ► like in the early years of Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8818">TS</a>]
02:27:00 ◼ ► like when people were shooting on 3GS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8820">TS</a>]
02:27:02 ◼ ► iPhone 4 or something where people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8822">TS</a>]
02:27:04 ◼ ► say like hashtag no filter because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8824">TS</a>]
02:27:06 ◼ ► was hard to believe if you got a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8826">TS</a>]
02:27:08 ◼ ► photo effect like like seriously I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8828">TS</a>]
02:27:11 ◼ ► not use a photo people be like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8831">TS</a>]
02:27:13 ◼ ► know a filter doesn't feel like yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8833">TS</a>]
02:27:14 ◼ ► did this looks too good no I swear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8834">TS</a>]
02:27:18 ◼ ► so anyway bottom line something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8838">TS</a>]
02:27:20 ◼ ► different for the iPhone in China and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8840">TS</a>]
02:27:22 ◼ ► is not good for Apple and especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8842">TS</a>]
02:27:26 ◼ ► I'm I accepted I accept that the what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8846">TS</a>]
02:27:29 ◼ ► that what's it called the rate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8849">TS</a>]
02:27:31 ◼ ► people rebuy the same product iPhone all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8851">TS</a>]
02:27:38 ◼ ► retention yeah the retention rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8858">TS</a>]
02:27:40 ◼ ► retention rate is significantly lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8860">TS</a>]
02:27:43 ◼ ► and again it's not catastrophic it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8863">TS</a>]
02:27:45 ◼ ► know 50 to 55 percent most most it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8865">TS</a>]
02:27:48 ◼ ► still the best of any OEM in China most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8868">TS</a>]
02:27:50 ◼ ► I glanced pretty significant margin most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8870">TS</a>]
02:27:52 ◼ ► OEMs would kill for that rate but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8872">TS</a>]
02:27:54 ◼ ► that's not good for Apple so something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8874">TS</a>]
02:27:57 ◼ ► is different and you and I are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8877">TS</a>]
02:27:59 ◼ ► complete agreement that we chat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8879">TS</a>]
02:28:01 ◼ ► obviously the biggest part of that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8881">TS</a>]
02:28:04 ◼ ► think that you can't prove it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8884">TS</a>]
02:28:07 ◼ ► just seems it I can't imagine what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8887">TS</a>]
02:28:11 ◼ ► would be yeah and what I think it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8891">TS</a>]
02:28:13 ◼ ► to really understand is merely because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8893">TS</a>]
02:28:16 ◼ ► the analogy would be like a Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8896">TS</a>]
02:28:17 ◼ ► will face you know Facebook spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8897">TS</a>]
02:28:19 ◼ ► people's and tons of time on that biloba [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8899">TS</a>]
02:28:20 ◼ ► but the extent to which you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8900">TS</a>]
02:28:22 ◼ ► Facebook and apps like that are dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8902">TS</a>]
02:28:25 ◼ ► in kind of leisure time and downtime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8905">TS</a>]
02:28:29 ◼ ► WeChat is dominant in all times and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8909">TS</a>]
02:28:32 ◼ ► not just and the other big thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8912">TS</a>]
02:28:34 ◼ ► not just on device times so yes they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8914">TS</a>]
02:28:36 ◼ ► dominant in your social interactions or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8916">TS</a>]
02:28:39 ◼ ► dominant in news they're dominant in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8919">TS</a>]
02:28:41 ◼ ► know watching all sorts of things you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8921">TS</a>]
02:28:43 ◼ ► the MBA is on $0.10 um you like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8923">TS</a>]
02:28:46 ◼ ► they're they're dominant as far as on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8926">TS</a>]
02:28:48 ◼ ► device things but the degree to which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8928">TS</a>]
02:28:50 ◼ ► you use your phone for the real world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8930">TS</a>]
02:28:52 ◼ ► far more extensive in China than it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8932">TS</a>]
02:28:54 ◼ ► in the US I mean the China is way ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8934">TS</a>]
02:28:56 ◼ ► in this sort of they called oto online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8936">TS</a>]
02:28:58 ◼ ► to offline this whole arena is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8938">TS</a>]
02:29:00 ◼ ► bigger much more well developed in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8940">TS</a>]
02:29:02 ◼ ► so you're using your phone constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8942">TS</a>]
02:29:04 ◼ ► throughout the day to interact with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8944">TS</a>]
02:29:06 ◼ ► in it's all via WeChat so you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8946">TS</a>]
02:29:08 ◼ ► living this app I mean I mean government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8948">TS</a>]
02:29:11 ◼ ► interactions are through through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8951">TS</a>]
02:29:12 ◼ ► like not not just getting cars paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8952">TS</a>]
02:29:13 ◼ ► for food paying for goods uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8953">TS</a>]
02:29:16 ◼ ► you see there's QR codes everywhere like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8956">TS</a>]
02:29:18 ◼ ► the whole thing runs on QR codes and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8958">TS</a>]
02:29:19 ◼ ► you know what's the promised QR codes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8959">TS</a>]
02:29:21 ◼ ► you don't know where the what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8961">TS</a>]
02:29:23 ◼ ► use to snap the QR code well there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8963">TS</a>]
02:29:25 ◼ ► question about which app to use there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8965">TS</a>]
02:29:27 ◼ ► and so the pervasiveness of WeChat in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8967">TS</a>]
02:29:30 ◼ ► just your interaction is is there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8970">TS</a>]
02:29:33 ◼ ► app there's really is nothing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8973">TS</a>]
02:29:36 ◼ ► outside of China that is comparable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8976">TS</a>]
02:29:37 ◼ ► and and that's why that's good for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8977">TS</a>]
02:29:41 ◼ ► because it's not it's Facebook it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8981">TS</a>]
02:29:43 ◼ ► isn't the same right like you said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8983">TS</a>]
02:29:45 ◼ ► like it's like you go out to lunch with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8985">TS</a>]
02:29:48 ◼ ► your colleagues and you know go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8988">TS</a>]
02:29:51 ◼ ► something and you know like if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8991">TS</a>]
02:29:53 ◼ ► paying with cash you look instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8993">TS</a>]
02:29:54 ◼ ► taking out your phone to pay with WeChat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8994">TS</a>]
02:29:56 ◼ ► you look like you're you know like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8996">TS</a>]
02:29:58 ◼ ► trying to be a hipster or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8998">TS</a>]
02:30:00 ◼ ► right yeah I don't want to overstate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9000">TS</a>]
02:30:02 ◼ ► because it's still I mean that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9002">TS</a>]
02:30:03 ◼ ► more the case in specific areas like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9003">TS</a>]
02:30:05 ◼ ► Beijing and Shanghai and some of the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9005">TS</a>]
02:30:08 ◼ ► whereas you know there's lots of parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9008">TS</a>]
02:30:09 ◼ ► trying to reach still use cash a lot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9009">TS</a>]
02:30:10 ◼ ► in the big cities as well but the trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9010">TS</a>]
02:30:13 ◼ ► is like super strong and it's not in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9013">TS</a>]
02:30:15 ◼ ► it's in surprising places right you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9015">TS</a>]
02:30:17 ◼ ► go to like markets in like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9017">TS</a>]
02:30:19 ◼ ► lady we have we have a phone I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9019">TS</a>]
02:30:20 ◼ ► there's no x-square sort of thing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9020">TS</a>]
02:30:22 ◼ ► it's all via it's all via $0.10 and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9022">TS</a>]
02:30:24 ◼ ► gets into a point I made earlier like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9024">TS</a>]
02:30:26 ◼ ► the user experience is not just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9026">TS</a>]
02:30:28 ◼ ► the user interface like the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9028">TS</a>]
02:30:29 ◼ ► interface like Apple pays is superior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9029">TS</a>]
02:30:31 ◼ ► like to make an outfit purchase is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9031">TS</a>]
02:30:33 ◼ ► elegant right you just hold it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9033">TS</a>]
02:30:34 ◼ ► put your thumb on it's amazing but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9034">TS</a>]
02:30:37 ◼ ► when you consider the totality of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9037">TS</a>]
02:30:40 ◼ ► where you have to figure out oh do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9040">TS</a>]
02:30:43 ◼ ► you have to like be awkward and ask and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9043">TS</a>]
02:30:44 ◼ ► look around and they have to bring it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9044">TS</a>]
02:30:46 ◼ ► with the user whereas the yeah may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9046">TS</a>]
02:30:49 ◼ ► more clumsy have to open an app and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9049">TS</a>]
02:30:51 ◼ ► a get a QR code to show but if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9051">TS</a>]
02:30:54 ◼ ► the expectation and everyone does it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9054">TS</a>]
02:30:57 ◼ ► everyone is equipped for it then yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9057">TS</a>]
02:30:59 ◼ ► that specific aspect of the UI is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9059">TS</a>]
02:31:02 ◼ ► inferior but the totality of the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9062">TS</a>]
02:31:04 ◼ ► experience is far far superior than then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9064">TS</a>]
02:31:07 ◼ ► another solution I was at the liquor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9067">TS</a>]
02:31:11 ◼ ► store today and I paid with Apple pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9071">TS</a>]
02:31:14 ◼ ► they're usually because they have a chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9074">TS</a>]
02:31:15 ◼ ► reader and it's it's so much it's worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9075">TS</a>]
02:31:18 ◼ ► than it used to be with a credit card so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9078">TS</a>]
02:31:19 ◼ ► they made out of cards worse and slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9079">TS</a>]
02:31:21 ◼ ► and Apple pay is fast and it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9081">TS</a>]
02:31:24 ◼ ► it's my neighborhood liquor store and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9084">TS</a>]
02:31:26 ◼ ► know that Apple pay works there and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9086">TS</a>]
02:31:28 ◼ ► guy was like a crotchety old guy I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9088">TS</a>]
02:31:31 ◼ ► Pennsylvania liquor stores being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9091">TS</a>]
02:31:32 ◼ ► government owned and operated but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9092">TS</a>]
02:31:35 ◼ ► a total government employee and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9095">TS</a>]
02:31:38 ◼ ► how do you know I gonna pay cash or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9098">TS</a>]
02:31:39 ◼ ► credit and I said I'll pay Apple pay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9099">TS</a>]
02:31:43 ◼ ► and admit like the terminal was broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9103">TS</a>]
02:31:46 ◼ ► and I looked at instance and saying he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9106">TS</a>]
02:31:47 ◼ ► goes we don't accept that and I said yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9107">TS</a>]
02:31:49 ◼ ► you do actually you do I was like I pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9109">TS</a>]
02:31:51 ◼ ► with it here in this store all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9111">TS</a>]
02:31:52 ◼ ► and he goes no you don't it goes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9112">TS</a>]
02:31:55 ◼ ► state the state won't the state won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9115">TS</a>]
02:31:57 ◼ ► and I was like I'm telling you I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9117">TS</a>]
02:31:58 ◼ ► just in here yesterday and and bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9118">TS</a>]
02:32:01 ◼ ► something and uh it and I just thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9121">TS</a>]
02:32:07 ◼ ► you know what I'm not gonna I am NOT why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9127">TS</a>]
02:32:09 ◼ ► am i arguing this as I got pay credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9129">TS</a>]
02:32:13 ◼ ► they should want to pay credit and hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9133">TS</a>]
02:32:15 ◼ ► up your phone in and stealthily pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9135">TS</a>]
02:32:17 ◼ ► anyway cuz I know that that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9137">TS</a>]
02:32:18 ◼ ► actually happen yeah but oh the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9138">TS</a>]
02:32:21 ◼ ► thing the other the other point to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9141">TS</a>]
02:32:23 ◼ ► about this oh sorry the analogy we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9143">TS</a>]
02:32:25 ◼ ► talked a little bit about Microsoft so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9145">TS</a>]
02:32:27 ◼ ► enjoy that I just told a story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9147">TS</a>]
02:32:29 ◼ ► makes it sound as though I run out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9149">TS</a>]
02:32:31 ◼ ► liquor day I don't well I I doubted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9151">TS</a>]
02:32:33 ◼ ► but I just gotta let it stand but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9153">TS</a>]
02:32:35 ◼ ► totally do so he said I was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9155">TS</a>]
02:32:36 ◼ ► yesterday it actually it's true that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9156">TS</a>]
02:32:38 ◼ ► was there day before but it wasn't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9158">TS</a>]
02:32:40 ◼ ► much that I drank myself out of liquor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9160">TS</a>]
02:32:42 ◼ ► in a day but that I'm a very poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9162">TS</a>]
02:32:44 ◼ ► planner in terms of knowing what else I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9164">TS</a>]
02:32:47 ◼ ► might be running low on but anyway yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9167">TS</a>]
02:32:50 ◼ ► uh-oh the point to make about this uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9170">TS</a>]
02:32:53 ◼ ► about how we chat does so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9173">TS</a>]
02:32:56 ◼ ► Facebook only does some things is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9176">TS</a>]
02:33:00 ◼ ► happened back in the day when Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9180">TS</a>]
02:33:02 ◼ ► was dominant like we used lots of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9182">TS</a>]
02:33:05 ◼ ► and those apps were actually what we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9185">TS</a>]
02:33:07 ◼ ► the computer for but the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9187">TS</a>]
02:33:09 ◼ ► Microsoft got all the value and was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9189">TS</a>]
02:33:11 ◼ ► most valuable them all is they were sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9191">TS</a>]
02:33:13 ◼ ► of the common the commonality right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9193">TS</a>]
02:33:16 ◼ ► all ran on Windows and so it was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9196">TS</a>]
02:33:18 ◼ ► by having lots of disparate apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9198">TS</a>]
02:33:20 ◼ ► Windows itself got all the value and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9200">TS</a>]
02:33:23 ◼ ► same thing with with the iPhone there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9203">TS</a>]
02:33:25 ◼ ► yeah there's we actually use apps we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9205">TS</a>]
02:33:27 ◼ ► don't use the iPhone we spend more time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9207">TS</a>]
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02:33:56 ◼ ► point it was Google it was the search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9236">TS</a>]
02:33:57 ◼ ► box right and when everything would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9237">TS</a>]
02:34:02 ◼ ► guys sort of a one-to-one relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9242">TS</a>]
02:34:03 ◼ ► where all between Google using Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9243">TS</a>]
02:34:06 ◼ ► and the computer ran on the value in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9246">TS</a>]
02:34:09 ◼ ► sort of the value chain kind of went up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9249">TS</a>]
02:34:11 ◼ ► to stack it where to the new platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9251">TS</a>]
02:34:13 ◼ ► where all the sites sort of sat on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9253">TS</a>]
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02:34:24 ◼ ► actual value the point of leverage is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9264">TS</a>]
02:34:26 ◼ ► the OS but once everything consolidates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9266">TS</a>]
02:34:30 ◼ ► into one app then that point of leverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9270">TS</a>]
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02:36:05 ◼ ► side is way more important to Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9365">TS</a>]
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02:36:10 ◼ ► there's just is how they monetize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9370">TS</a>]
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02:36:14 ◼ ► right and that's people focus on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9374">TS</a>]
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02:36:17 ◼ ► buy and certainly Finance people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9377">TS</a>]
02:36:19 ◼ ► tech people concentrate on it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9379">TS</a>]
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02:36:24 ◼ ► hardware than it is slowly that it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9384">TS</a>]
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02:37:02 ◼ ► properly value software and they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9422">TS</a>]
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02:40:17 ◼ ► went back to the iPhone and said all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9617">TS</a>]
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02:40:29 ◼ ► has been won but even today there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9629">TS</a>]
02:40:31 ◼ ► something like that people don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9631">TS</a>]
02:40:33 ◼ ► the software is not sold for a dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9633">TS</a>]
02:40:37 ◼ ► and it's the most viable thing they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9637">TS</a>]
02:40:39 ◼ ► there was a plan in the 90s before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9639">TS</a>]
02:40:41 ◼ ► next they settled on then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9641">TS</a>]
02:40:43 ◼ ► acquiring next and and using next step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9643">TS</a>]
02:40:46 ◼ ► as their operating system of the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9646">TS</a>]
02:40:48 ◼ ► but at the point where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9648">TS</a>]
02:40:49 ◼ ► evaluating their options and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9649">TS</a>]
02:40:51 ◼ ► think about buying the BOS that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9651">TS</a>]
02:40:56 ◼ ► the options I think it was Alan Hancock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9656">TS</a>]
02:40:58 ◼ ► who is then the chief technical officer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9658">TS</a>]
02:41:00 ◼ ► which is a position that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9660">TS</a>]
02:41:02 ◼ ► anybody even held after her at Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9662">TS</a>]
02:41:04 ◼ ► I think it was her who endorsed it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9664">TS</a>]
02:41:07 ◼ ► if not I apologize to ellen hancock but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9667">TS</a>]
02:41:09 ◼ ► somebody at Apple seriously investigated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9669">TS</a>]
02:41:11 ◼ ► like using Windows NT as the foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9671">TS</a>]
02:41:16 ◼ ► and just building like like a TouchWiz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9676">TS</a>]
02:41:19 ◼ ► like a Macintosh TouchWiz interface on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9679">TS</a>]
02:41:21 ◼ ► top of NT you know like what TouchWiz is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9681">TS</a>]
02:41:24 ◼ ► to Android that Apple you just paint a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9684">TS</a>]
02:41:27 ◼ ► little you know a little apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9687">TS</a>]
02:41:29 ◼ ► magic on top of it but you can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9689">TS</a>]
02:41:31 ◼ ► outsource the actual operating system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9691">TS</a>]
02:41:33 ◼ ► Windows NT that would have it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9693">TS</a>]
02:41:35 ◼ ► completely sunk the company company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9695">TS</a>]
02:41:36 ◼ ► would have been gone and yeah it had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9696">TS</a>]
02:41:39 ◼ ► exactly upside down right with the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9699">TS</a>]
02:41:41 ◼ ► right but they can do West doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9701">TS</a>]
02:41:43 ◼ ► exact same thing on the hardware side by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9703">TS</a>]
02:41:44 ◼ ► switching the internals to bog-standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9704">TS</a>]
02:41:49 ◼ ► dual boot into Windows if you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9709">TS</a>]
02:41:51 ◼ ► them to or still can today you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9711">TS</a>]
02:41:54 ◼ ► what's the best thing that ever happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9714">TS</a>]
02:41:55 ◼ ► to Mac hardware right and so the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9715">TS</a>]
02:41:58 ◼ ► this matters is if you're into why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9718">TS</a>]
02:42:00 ◼ ► iPhone 7 will sell well is if you need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9720">TS</a>]
02:42:02 ◼ ► new phone you're gonna buy your honor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9722">TS</a>]
02:42:04 ◼ ► you're gonna buy an iPhone 7 right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9724">TS</a>]
02:42:05 ◼ ► faster and it's better and yes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9725">TS</a>]
02:42:07 ◼ ► camera is better and yeah it may it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9727">TS</a>]
02:42:08 ◼ ► be it looks the same as iPhone 6 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9728">TS</a>]
02:42:10 ◼ ► like your when that's your only choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9730">TS</a>]
02:42:12 ◼ ► it's not really that big of a deal right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9732">TS</a>]
02:42:15 ◼ ► and and the problem in the problem in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9735">TS</a>]
02:42:18 ◼ ► whereas Android like it's like the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9738">TS</a>]
02:42:21 ◼ ► lock in there's not really any lock in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9741">TS</a>]
02:42:22 ◼ ► all sales has been trying to create some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9742">TS</a>]
02:42:24 ◼ ► sort of walk-in for years and they fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9744">TS</a>]
02:42:26 ◼ ► because they're that's not what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9746">TS</a>]
02:42:28 ◼ ► so here's where we disagree where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9748">TS</a>]
02:42:29 ◼ ► disagree we agree that it's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9749">TS</a>]
02:42:31 ◼ ► problem for Apple if we that we Chad's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9751">TS</a>]
02:42:33 ◼ ► dominance is more important more central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9753">TS</a>]
02:42:36 ◼ ► than iOS to the experience would then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9756">TS</a>]
02:42:39 ◼ ► lend you believe that more iPhone users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9759">TS</a>]
02:42:41 ◼ ► would be willing to switch to Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9761">TS</a>]
02:42:42 ◼ ► and we're seeing proof of that that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9762">TS</a>]
02:42:44 ◼ ► happening right where we subtly disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9764">TS</a>]
02:42:47 ◼ ► is that you also think it's a factor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9767">TS</a>]
02:42:49 ◼ ► these declining sales is the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9769">TS</a>]
02:42:51 ◼ ► the iPhone 7 looks so much like a 6 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9771">TS</a>]
02:42:53 ◼ ► success yeah and the Hazen's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9773">TS</a>]
02:42:57 ◼ ► yeah great this is the point that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9777">TS</a>]
02:42:59 ◼ ► exact point where my sort of definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9779">TS</a>]
02:43:03 ◼ ► contrary into most people because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9783">TS</a>]
02:43:05 ◼ ► think that most people who oh pine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9785">TS</a>]
02:43:07 ◼ ► professionally about the design of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9787">TS</a>]
02:43:09 ◼ ► phones took that you know emphasize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9789">TS</a>]
02:43:13 ◼ ► wow it's the same form factor as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9793">TS</a>]
02:43:15 ◼ ► last two years and that's not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9795">TS</a>]
02:43:18 ◼ ► that that's an inherently negative thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9798">TS</a>]
02:43:20 ◼ ► I I agree in the basics though you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9800">TS</a>]
02:43:25 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not like I'm not arguing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9805">TS</a>]
02:43:27 ◼ ► extreme point that the iPhone is now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9807">TS</a>]
02:43:29 ◼ ► a perfect shape and should never change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9809">TS</a>]
02:43:32 ◼ ► in any dimension or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9812">TS</a>]
02:43:34 ◼ ► I just think it's less of a factor than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9814">TS</a>]
02:43:38 ◼ ► you do and in fact almost irrelevant in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9818">TS</a>]
02:43:40 ◼ ► the China case well see I so I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9820">TS</a>]
02:43:43 ◼ ► with you in in most to the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9823">TS</a>]
02:43:45 ◼ ► world because at the end of day you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9825">TS</a>]
02:43:47 ◼ ► by to buy an iPhone is to buy in an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9827">TS</a>]
02:43:52 ◼ ► delivery device right at the end of day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9832">TS</a>]
02:43:54 ◼ ► the hardware is a vehicle to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9834">TS</a>]
02:43:56 ◼ ► software that you want and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9836">TS</a>]
02:43:59 ◼ ► Apple is and always has been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9839">TS</a>]
02:44:02 ◼ ► but what it would just set aside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9842">TS</a>]
02:44:04 ◼ ► for a while and think about what drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9844">TS</a>]
02:44:05 ◼ ► high-end Samsung sells what drives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9845">TS</a>]
02:44:08 ◼ ► know other high-end vendors in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9848">TS</a>]
02:44:10 ◼ ► Huawei and Oppo like why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9850">TS</a>]
02:44:13 ◼ ► choose one or the other we are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9853">TS</a>]
02:44:15 ◼ ► choose based on hardware you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9855">TS</a>]
02:44:18 ◼ ► choose and what goes into hardware with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9858">TS</a>]
02:44:20 ◼ ► some aspect of it is features like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9860">TS</a>]
02:44:22 ◼ ► camera and which is better not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9862">TS</a>]
02:44:24 ◼ ► aspect of it is the way it looks we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9864">TS</a>]
02:44:25 ◼ ► talking about a device that's with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9865">TS</a>]
02:44:28 ◼ ► all the time your most personal device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9868">TS</a>]
02:44:29 ◼ ► it's it's you pull out you put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9869">TS</a>]
02:44:31 ◼ ► table it's something that says who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9871">TS</a>]
02:44:34 ◼ ► are and part of that is if you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9874">TS</a>]
02:44:38 ◼ ► that looks the same here's the analogy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9878">TS</a>]
02:44:39 ◼ ► would take think about buying a Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9879">TS</a>]
02:44:43 ◼ ► or buying a BMW or Audi or whatever or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9883">TS</a>]
02:44:46 ◼ ► whatever you want are there differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9886">TS</a>]
02:44:48 ◼ ► in how they drive in their performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9888">TS</a>]
02:44:50 ◼ ► yes of course there are and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9890">TS</a>]
02:44:52 ◼ ► will always only buy a Mercedes there'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9892">TS</a>]
02:44:54 ◼ ► always only buy a BMW and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9894">TS</a>]
02:44:57 ◼ ► same thing with using say WeChat on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9897">TS</a>]
02:44:59 ◼ ► phone or using on Android some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9899">TS</a>]
02:45:01 ◼ ► will only ever buy one of them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9901">TS</a>]
02:45:02 ◼ ► it's still different it's still there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9902">TS</a>]
02:45:04 ◼ ► some aspect of the experience that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9904">TS</a>]
02:45:05 ◼ ► still you know about iOS and those it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9905">TS</a>]
02:45:08 ◼ ► not to say that that's not a factor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9908">TS</a>]
02:45:10 ◼ ► China it still is it just it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9910">TS</a>]
02:45:12 ◼ ► big is the number of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9912">TS</a>]
02:45:14 ◼ ► actually carry out that are fewer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9914">TS</a>]
02:45:17 ◼ ► the way some people will choose to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9917">TS</a>]
02:45:18 ◼ ► which car to buy is well it's been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9918">TS</a>]
02:45:21 ◼ ► you know BMP which came with a new 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9921">TS</a>]
02:45:23 ◼ ► Series but before then the sales were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9923">TS</a>]
02:45:24 ◼ ► really bad the previous year why is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9924">TS</a>]
02:45:26 ◼ ► been the same design for five years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9926">TS</a>]
02:45:28 ◼ ► now this year the sales are really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9928">TS</a>]
02:45:29 ◼ ► why because they just came out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9929">TS</a>]
02:45:31 ◼ ► new model and it's the same sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9931">TS</a>]
02:45:33 ◼ ► thing if it's this if it's the old model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9933">TS</a>]
02:45:36 ◼ ► maybe you'll buy it because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9936">TS</a>]
02:45:37 ◼ ► actually like an iPhone that much but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9937">TS</a>]
02:45:39 ◼ ► maybe you'll buy something else and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9939">TS</a>]
02:45:42 ◼ ► implication is I'm actually a bit of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9942">TS</a>]
02:45:44 ◼ ► optimist in the short term because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9944">TS</a>]
02:45:45 ◼ ► new iPhones going to come out I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9945">TS</a>]
02:45:47 ◼ ► lots of people want to buy it I my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9947">TS</a>]
02:45:51 ◼ ► that it's not relevant though is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9951">TS</a>]
02:45:52 ◼ ► even if there is a spike let's say let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9952">TS</a>]
02:45:57 ◼ ► just say that the rumors are true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9957">TS</a>]
02:45:58 ◼ ► Apple ships in September at least one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9958">TS</a>]
02:46:02 ◼ ► iPhone that's a very distinctly new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9962">TS</a>]
02:46:04 ◼ ► design and you know maybe all three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9964">TS</a>]
02:46:06 ◼ ► them you know there's somebody came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9966">TS</a>]
02:46:08 ◼ ► with a report this week that the 7 + 7 s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9968">TS</a>]
02:46:11 ◼ ► or 7 S + + 7s are also going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9971">TS</a>]
02:46:16 ◼ ► glass packs it would which I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9976">TS</a>]
02:46:19 ◼ ► to get down this rattle but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9979">TS</a>]
02:46:20 ◼ ► nonsense if it's true that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9980">TS</a>]
02:46:22 ◼ ► second tier new phones not the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9982">TS</a>]
02:46:24 ◼ ► phone not the iPhone pro that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9984">TS</a>]
02:46:26 ◼ ► you know 1200 or $1400 but like the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9986">TS</a>]
02:46:30 ◼ ► that are replacing the seven and seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9990">TS</a>]
02:46:32 ◼ ► plus if they have class packs they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9992">TS</a>]
02:46:34 ◼ ► not going to call them the 7s and 7s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9994">TS</a>]
02:46:36 ◼ ► plus because the S thing only applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9996">TS</a>]
02:46:38 ◼ ► looks exactly the same as the last years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9998">TS</a>]
02:46:40 ◼ ► but with new new technology if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10000">TS</a>]
02:46:43 ◼ ► that they all all three phones would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10003">TS</a>]
02:46:45 ◼ ► have new names but anyway that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10005">TS</a>]
02:46:47 ◼ ► different point let's just say Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10007">TS</a>]
02:46:51 ◼ ► comes out with exciting new phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10011">TS</a>]
02:46:53 ◼ ► Chinese oh and behold Chinese sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10013">TS</a>]
02:46:55 ◼ ► spiked again and you know there's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10015">TS</a>]
02:46:58 ◼ ► strong correlation that a new design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10018">TS</a>]
02:47:01 ◼ ► equals I've you know apples back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10021">TS</a>]
02:47:03 ◼ ► China I'll apologize to you admit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10023">TS</a>]
02:47:06 ◼ ► you were right if it's a noticeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10026">TS</a>]
02:47:08 ◼ ► spike it gives it it would have once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10028">TS</a>]
02:47:12 ◼ ► have to be a it not just that they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10032">TS</a>]
02:47:14 ◼ ► have to be a spike but it would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10034">TS</a>]
02:47:15 ◼ ► prove it I think it would have to mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10035">TS</a>]
02:47:17 ◼ ► that Chinese growth would be even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10037">TS</a>]
02:47:19 ◼ ► greater than the growth everywhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10039">TS</a>]
02:47:20 ◼ ► from the sale of this new iPhone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10040">TS</a>]
02:47:22 ◼ ► that the argument here is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10042">TS</a>]
02:47:24 ◼ ► Chinese market is more sensitive both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10044">TS</a>]
02:47:27 ◼ ► ways to the hardware design of a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10047">TS</a>]
02:47:30 ◼ ► that when it is new and wow you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10050">TS</a>]
02:47:32 ◼ ► the best new iPhone they're even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10052">TS</a>]
02:47:34 ◼ ► willing to buy it than the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10054">TS</a>]
02:47:36 ◼ ► world and when they feel like it's stale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10056">TS</a>]
02:47:37 ◼ ► they're more willing to abandon it do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10057">TS</a>]
02:47:39 ◼ ► you feel like that's a fair assessment i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10059">TS</a>]
02:47:42 ◼ ► I do think so I thought you were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10062">TS</a>]
02:47:44 ◼ ► to say that they'd have to sell even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10064">TS</a>]
02:47:46 ◼ ► more than the iPhone 6 cuz I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10066">TS</a>]
02:47:48 ◼ ► I don't know about that that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10068">TS</a>]
02:47:49 ◼ ► right yeah cuz there's two parts of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10069">TS</a>]
02:47:52 ◼ ► yes I I do believe that's the case and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10072">TS</a>]
02:47:54 ◼ ► do think that iPhone growth in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10074">TS</a>]
02:47:56 ◼ ► will be greater than in other regions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10076">TS</a>]
02:47:58 ◼ ► the world when a new when a new design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10078">TS</a>]
02:48:00 ◼ ► comes out I do wonder though something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10080">TS</a>]
02:48:03 ◼ ► that that that I've been thinking a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10083">TS</a>]
02:48:05 ◼ ► about and this is this is the real bear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10085">TS</a>]
02:48:07 ◼ ► case for Apple in China is I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10087">TS</a>]
02:48:11 ◼ ► iPhone 6 it wasn't just that it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10091">TS</a>]
02:48:14 ◼ ► big phone it was that's also the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10094">TS</a>]
02:48:16 ◼ ► phone that came out in China Mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10096">TS</a>]
02:48:17 ◼ ► which is the the largest carrier in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10097">TS</a>]
02:48:19 ◼ ► China and at the same time you had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10099">TS</a>]
02:48:22 ◼ ► continued emergence of of you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10102">TS</a>]
02:48:26 ◼ ► that can stretch for a luxury good that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10106">TS</a>]
02:48:29 ◼ ► in the grand scheme of things isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10109">TS</a>]
02:48:31 ◼ ► expensive like I just talked about cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10111">TS</a>]
02:48:32 ◼ ► right right do I need to buy a phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10112">TS</a>]
02:48:34 ◼ ► a fraction of the cost even if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10114">TS</a>]
02:48:36 ◼ ► buying the very best phone in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10116">TS</a>]
02:48:37 ◼ ► right so my big question though in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10117">TS</a>]
02:48:41 ◼ ► is the the bear bowl case the best news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10121">TS</a>]
02:48:45 ◼ ► for Apple it would be exactly what I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10125">TS</a>]
02:48:47 ◼ ► where there's I think regards is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10127">TS</a>]
02:48:49 ◼ ► be a big jump the questions was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10129">TS</a>]
02:48:50 ◼ ► iPhone 6 a fan you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10130">TS</a>]
02:48:53 ◼ ► where new is the thing to get and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10133">TS</a>]
02:48:56 ◼ ► you know it would like luxury goods go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10136">TS</a>]
02:48:59 ◼ ► through this right right one point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10139">TS</a>]
02:49:01 ◼ ► Louie Vuitton then it's Chanel then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10141">TS</a>]
02:49:03 ◼ ► like her best and it's Balenciaga or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10143">TS</a>]
02:49:05 ◼ ► whatever might be like is that is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10145">TS</a>]
02:49:08 ◼ ► the iPhone 6 affair was just the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10148">TS</a>]
02:49:10 ◼ ► to get or I don't think that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10150">TS</a>]
02:49:14 ◼ ► it might be a little bit or is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10154">TS</a>]
02:49:16 ◼ ► iPhone and Apple a luxury good and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10156">TS</a>]
02:49:20 ◼ ► aspirational good which I do think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10160">TS</a>]
02:49:22 ◼ ► and this matters and matters in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10162">TS</a>]
02:49:24 ◼ ► matters way more in China than in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10164">TS</a>]
02:49:26 ◼ ► and it like the level of conspicuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10166">TS</a>]
02:49:29 ◼ ► consumption in China is it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10169">TS</a>]
02:49:31 ◼ ► jarring when you go like you you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10171">TS</a>]
02:49:33 ◼ ► in like some run-down part of town or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10173">TS</a>]
02:49:37 ◼ ► messy and dirty and there's stuff flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10177">TS</a>]
02:49:40 ◼ ► around and there's people walking down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10180">TS</a>]
02:49:41 ◼ ► the road with like Chanel bags like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10181">TS</a>]
02:49:43 ◼ ► it's it's very different and matters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10183">TS</a>]
02:49:46 ◼ ► you pull out your phone you put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10186">TS</a>]
02:49:48 ◼ ► table in the coffee shop and yeah even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10188">TS</a>]
02:49:50 ◼ ► if it's in a case you can see what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10190">TS</a>]
02:49:52 ◼ ► of phone it is and and it really matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10192">TS</a>]
02:49:55 ◼ ► and Apple still has a great brand and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10195">TS</a>]
02:49:57 ◼ ► still means something that it's an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10197">TS</a>]
02:49:59 ◼ ► and I think that's the that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10199">TS</a>]
02:50:01 ◼ ► they're still maintaining cells to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10201">TS</a>]
02:50:04 ◼ ► degree that they are and so I I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10204">TS</a>]
02:50:07 ◼ ► relatively bullish if you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10207">TS</a>]
02:50:10 ◼ ► bearish though would be that oh it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10210">TS</a>]
02:50:11 ◼ ► just a fad which I don't think is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10211">TS</a>]
02:50:13 ◼ ► but it's possible but here's my my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10213">TS</a>]
02:50:15 ◼ ► is that this going back to the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10215">TS</a>]
02:50:19 ◼ ► being more important than the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10219">TS</a>]
02:50:21 ◼ ► what has you attached to the Apple brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10221">TS</a>]
02:50:24 ◼ ► has to be the software to it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10224">TS</a>]
02:50:26 ◼ ► that Apple as a company needs to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10226">TS</a>]
02:50:28 ◼ ► focused on the software platform but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10228">TS</a>]
02:50:30 ◼ ► the software software platform isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10230">TS</a>]
02:50:32 ◼ ► what's primarily keeping you buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10232">TS</a>]
02:50:34 ◼ ► iPhones then you're so much less sticky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10234">TS</a>]
02:50:37 ◼ ► like if you really are just learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10237">TS</a>]
02:50:40 ◼ ► somebody else can I would argue that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10240">TS</a>]
02:50:43 ◼ ► competition is way closer to iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10243">TS</a>]
02:50:45 ◼ ► quality hardware than they are then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10245">TS</a>]
02:50:48 ◼ ► Android is to being iOS quality software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10248">TS</a>]
02:50:51 ◼ ► like note that that's that's absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10251">TS</a>]
02:50:54 ◼ ► true but in I really do think in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10254">TS</a>]
02:50:56 ◼ ► and this isn't like a Johnny completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10256">TS</a>]
02:50:58 ◼ ► observation I've made this point like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10258">TS</a>]
02:51:00 ◼ ► three four years ago that the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10260">TS</a>]
02:51:03 ◼ ► differentiation for Apple in China has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10263">TS</a>]
02:51:05 ◼ ► always been the brand like that matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10265">TS</a>]
02:51:08 ◼ ► more and that's something one of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10268">TS</a>]
02:51:11 ◼ ► actually advantages and something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10271">TS</a>]
02:51:12 ◼ ► learn with the whole 5c thing is having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10272">TS</a>]
02:51:15 ◼ ► only a high-end brand or a high-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10275">TS</a>]
02:51:18 ◼ ► phone is a good thing because there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10278">TS</a>]
02:51:21 ◼ ► no watering down of the brand right yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10281">TS</a>]
02:51:23 ◼ ► you can have a high-end Samsung there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10283">TS</a>]
02:51:24 ◼ ► also low end crappy ones floating around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10284">TS</a>]
02:51:26 ◼ ► same thing with with all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10286">TS</a>]
02:51:27 ◼ ► Chinese brands the fact that an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10287">TS</a>]
02:51:30 ◼ ► is always an expensive device is a is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10290">TS</a>]
02:51:34 ◼ ► something that actually helps preserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10294">TS</a>]
02:51:37 ◼ ► that's always an expensive device or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10297">TS</a>]
02:51:39 ◼ ► old device right right and so doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10299">TS</a>]
02:51:42 ◼ ► it was expensive at some point right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10302">TS</a>]
02:51:44 ◼ ► okay so what about the red iPhone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10304">TS</a>]
02:51:46 ◼ ► didn't mention that in my article I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10306">TS</a>]
02:51:48 ◼ ► a whole bunch of well what about the red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10308">TS</a>]
02:51:49 ◼ ► one because the red one is obviously new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10309">TS</a>]
02:51:51 ◼ ► like people can quibble about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10311">TS</a>]
02:51:53 ◼ ► the jet-black iPhone looks new but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10313">TS</a>]
02:51:55 ◼ ► red one is unmistakably new do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10315">TS</a>]
02:51:58 ◼ ► the red one the red iPhone 7 will make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10318">TS</a>]
02:52:00 ◼ ► difference in the second half of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10320">TS</a>]
02:52:01 ◼ ► financial year it might I think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10321">TS</a>]
02:52:05 ◼ ► know what I think Cook was totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10325">TS</a>]
02:52:08 ◼ ► to say that there's anticipation for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10328">TS</a>]
02:52:10 ◼ ► new device which I again I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10330">TS</a>]
02:52:13 ◼ ► that was about China that comment right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10333">TS</a>]
02:52:15 ◼ ► that people are waiting for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10335">TS</a>]
02:52:16 ◼ ► device so I it might have an impact but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10336">TS</a>]
02:52:20 ◼ ► I think it will be muted that at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10340">TS</a>]
02:52:22 ◼ ► point people are waiting and people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10342">TS</a>]
02:52:24 ◼ ► are super super up-to-date on this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10344">TS</a>]
02:52:27 ◼ ► like the I don't live in China but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10347">TS</a>]
02:52:32 ◼ ► will just say being here in Taiwan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10352">TS</a>]
02:52:33 ◼ ► like I think rumors are on the nightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10353">TS</a>]
02:52:35 ◼ ► news oh that's amazing I said well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10355">TS</a>]
02:52:38 ◼ ► I'm laughing because I realized that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10358">TS</a>]
02:52:41 ◼ ► some circles that's a politically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10361">TS</a>]
02:52:42 ◼ ► charged sentence but I'm also laughing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10362">TS</a>]
02:52:44 ◼ ► at the fact that I'm also laughing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10364">TS</a>]
02:52:46 ◼ ► the fact that the iPhone rumors are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10366">TS</a>]
02:52:49 ◼ ► yeah it's the the pervasiveness end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10369">TS</a>]
02:52:53 ◼ ► just mobile devices is I mean the u.s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10373">TS</a>]
02:52:58 ◼ ► is really behind I mean they're behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10378">TS</a>]
02:52:59 ◼ ► in that everyone because everyone the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10379">TS</a>]
02:53:02 ◼ ► had a PC the what mobile means in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10382">TS</a>]
02:53:06 ◼ ► u.s. is all the times between in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10386">TS</a>]
02:53:10 ◼ ► when you're using your PC right and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10390">TS</a>]
02:53:12 ◼ ► happened in China is for the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10392">TS</a>]
02:53:16 ◼ ► majority of people their first of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10396">TS</a>]
02:53:18 ◼ ► first computing device is the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10398">TS</a>]
02:53:20 ◼ ► right and and so the reason why we chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10400">TS</a>]
02:53:24 ◼ ► is is what it is it's not just that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10404">TS</a>]
02:53:27 ◼ ► gobbled up all these services I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10407">TS</a>]
02:53:29 ◼ ► Indian Ragab well up they created them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10409">TS</a>]
02:53:31 ◼ ► but you don't know what can you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10411">TS</a>]
02:53:32 ◼ ► WeChat from a browser no right noble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10412">TS</a>]
02:53:36 ◼ ► only yeah they have they have an app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10416">TS</a>]
02:53:40 ◼ ► mac and windows it what's the this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10420">TS</a>]
02:53:43 ◼ ► actually it's worth downloading because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10423">TS</a>]
02:53:45 ◼ ► I think it's really interesting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10425">TS</a>]
02:53:47 ◼ ► it drives through the wall like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10427">TS</a>]
02:53:48 ◼ ► who are using PC's just a present the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10428">TS</a>]
02:53:50 ◼ ► wall but I think if you can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10430">TS</a>]
02:53:52 ◼ ► how the palatable mac app works you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10432">TS</a>]
02:53:54 ◼ ► start to kind of rock this so what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10434">TS</a>]
02:53:56 ◼ ► do is you can download the WeChat app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10436">TS</a>]
02:53:59 ◼ ► from like the Mac Apple Store or Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10439">TS</a>]
02:54:02 ◼ ► Apple Store the Mac App Store and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10442">TS</a>]
02:54:04 ◼ ► you launch the app what it does is it uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10444">TS</a>]
02:54:07 ◼ ► it brings up a much I promotional Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10447">TS</a>]
02:54:10 ◼ ► I should get it so you bring it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10450">TS</a>]
02:54:12 ◼ ► it has your picture and you click login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10452">TS</a>]
02:54:14 ◼ ► when you click login you don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10454">TS</a>]
02:54:17 ◼ ► type a username or password it brings up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10457">TS</a>]
02:54:20 ◼ ► a QR code and what you have to do is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10460">TS</a>]
02:54:22 ◼ ► have to open the WeChat app on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10462">TS</a>]
02:54:24 ◼ ► phone scan the QR code which I'll do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10464">TS</a>]
02:54:27 ◼ ► now and then boom you're logged in on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10467">TS</a>]
02:54:29 ◼ ► the desktop because it like it sends it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10469">TS</a>]
02:54:30 ◼ ► up to the WeChat servers that yes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10470">TS</a>]
02:54:32 ◼ ► is this is the right device and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10472">TS</a>]
02:54:34 ◼ ► and then you're logged in it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10474">TS</a>]
02:54:37 ◼ ► honestly worth downloading just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10477">TS</a>]
02:54:38 ◼ ► experience this because if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10478">TS</a>]
02:54:41 ◼ ► regular PC user and I heard from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10481">TS</a>]
02:54:43 ◼ ► like oh man I have you tried using it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10483">TS</a>]
02:54:45 ◼ ► the PC it's terrible what do you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10485">TS</a>]
02:54:46 ◼ ► they have a good user experience blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10486">TS</a>]
02:54:47 ◼ ► blah blah well mainly that app is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10487">TS</a>]
02:54:51 ◼ ► for old fogies like you and I who still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10491">TS</a>]
02:54:52 ◼ ► want to use a PC but it really gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10492">TS</a>]
02:54:57 ◼ ► centrality of mobile like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10497">TS</a>]
02:55:00 ◼ ► use your phone to log in on on the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10500">TS</a>]
02:55:02 ◼ ► and it once you grok that I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10502">TS</a>]
02:55:05 ◼ ► can kind of start to understand what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10505">TS</a>]
02:55:07 ◼ ► means that mobile actually be the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10507">TS</a>]
02:55:09 ◼ ► of everything not to be a peripheral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10509">TS</a>]
02:55:12 ◼ ► alright here's my other thing I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10512">TS</a>]
02:55:14 ◼ ► get before we wrap this up and we I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10514">TS</a>]
02:55:15 ◼ ► think we're hitting them on our mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10515">TS</a>]
02:55:20 ◼ ► two hours now three three hours all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10520">TS</a>]
02:55:23 ◼ ► right well we can't go over four I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10523">TS</a>]
02:55:27 ◼ ► how do you square this obsession with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10527">TS</a>]
02:55:33 ◼ ► appearance of the phones with the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10533">TS</a>]
02:55:35 ◼ ► that it all around the world majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10535">TS</a>]
02:55:39 ◼ ► users put their phones in cases but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10539">TS</a>]
02:55:41 ◼ ► China it's by all accounts is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10541">TS</a>]
02:55:44 ◼ ► probably the highest rate of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10544">TS</a>]
02:55:46 ◼ ► putting their phones in cases because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10546">TS</a>]
02:55:48 ◼ ► the resale protecting the rear it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10548">TS</a>]
02:55:51 ◼ ► whole thing we know that with the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10551">TS</a>]
02:55:52 ◼ ► not wanting to use the home button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10552">TS</a>]
02:55:54 ◼ ► using the accessibility feature to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10554">TS</a>]
02:55:56 ◼ ► virtual home button on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10556">TS</a>]
02:55:58 ◼ ► because they don't want to wear out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10558">TS</a>]
02:55:59 ◼ ► button so that it protects the resale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10559">TS</a>]
02:56:02 ◼ ► value of the phone so if everybody puts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10562">TS</a>]
02:56:04 ◼ ► their phone in a case how do you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10564">TS</a>]
02:56:06 ◼ ► you know like the red you know let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10566">TS</a>]
02:56:09 ◼ ► red phone is a perfect example you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10569">TS</a>]
02:56:10 ◼ ► the red iPhone in a case the button is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10570">TS</a>]
02:56:12 ◼ ► even red so you know way to tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10572">TS</a>]
02:56:14 ◼ ► it's a red iPhone uh yeah this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10574">TS</a>]
02:56:17 ◼ ► the reasons why it might be dampened I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10577">TS</a>]
02:56:19 ◼ ► think so there's two there's two aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10579">TS</a>]
02:56:23 ◼ ► of Apple it's not just it being a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10583">TS</a>]
02:56:25 ◼ ► device it's also the fact that it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10585">TS</a>]
02:56:27 ◼ ► apple like Apple is a meaningful brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10587">TS</a>]
02:56:29 ◼ ► it it is status conferring brand so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10589">TS</a>]
02:56:33 ◼ ► that remains the case and will remain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10593">TS</a>]
02:56:35 ◼ ► the case even if you're you have a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10595">TS</a>]
02:56:38 ◼ ► it's not like you're worried yes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10598">TS</a>]
02:56:40 ◼ ► not like a purse or something where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10600">TS</a>]
02:56:42 ◼ ► can see across the road that someone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10602">TS</a>]
02:56:44 ◼ ► a purse you're conveying status not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10604">TS</a>]
02:56:46 ◼ ► strangers you're conveying status to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10606">TS</a>]
02:56:48 ◼ ► people you're with and around you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10608">TS</a>]
02:56:50 ◼ ► when you sit down at the office and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10610">TS</a>]
02:56:52 ◼ ► pull your phone you put on your desk or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10612">TS</a>]
02:56:53 ◼ ► you're in a coffee shop I said you pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10613">TS</a>]
02:56:55 ◼ ► it out you can see by you can just even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10615">TS</a>]
02:56:58 ◼ ► if it's in the case you can tell if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10618">TS</a>]
02:57:02 ◼ ► interestingly you can't really tell if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10622">TS</a>]
02:57:05 ◼ ► it's a six or if it's a seven but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10625">TS</a>]
02:57:08 ◼ ► can definitely tell if it's a 5s or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10628">TS</a>]
02:57:12 ◼ ► six even right and you could tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10632">TS</a>]
02:57:15 ◼ ► for Android and and right right so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10635">TS</a>]
02:57:18 ◼ ► start the Apple stats you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10638">TS</a>]
02:57:21 ◼ ► it's an iPhone but it's not there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10641">TS</a>]
02:57:23 ◼ ► there's no status conferring for newness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10643">TS</a>]
02:57:25 ◼ ► in the fact that I can afford to buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10645">TS</a>]
02:57:29 ◼ ► newest phone and I have the the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10649">TS</a>]
02:57:31 ◼ ► phone and and like why buy it yes if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10651">TS</a>]
02:57:36 ◼ ► you're if you're rich and you can afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10656">TS</a>]
02:57:37 ◼ ► it and yes by all means buy a new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10657">TS</a>]
02:57:40 ◼ ► every year but if you're buying an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10660">TS</a>]
02:57:43 ◼ ► iPhone not just because it's an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10663">TS</a>]
02:57:44 ◼ ► but you want the status that it confers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10664">TS</a>]
02:57:47 ◼ ► on you well why not keep the iPhone 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10667">TS</a>]
02:57:50 ◼ ► that looks the exact same as the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10670">TS</a>]
02:57:51 ◼ ► 7 and spend your what little cash you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10671">TS</a>]
02:57:56 ◼ ► relatively speaking especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10676">TS</a>]
02:57:59 ◼ ► big cities but on an absolute dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10679">TS</a>]
02:58:01 ◼ ► basis you know much much less money why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10681">TS</a>]
02:58:04 ◼ ► not spend that money on buying a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10684">TS</a>]
02:58:06 ◼ ► wallet or something like that and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10686">TS</a>]
02:58:08 ◼ ► been thinking about it I actually think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10688">TS</a>]
02:58:09 ◼ ► that the prominent the prominence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10689">TS</a>]
02:58:12 ◼ ► cases that the or the the puts the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10692">TS</a>]
02:58:16 ◼ ► on the board but the fact that cases are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10696">TS</a>]
02:58:18 ◼ ► so ubiquitous actually plays against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10698">TS</a>]
02:58:21 ◼ ► the ways that the iPhone 7 is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10701">TS</a>]
02:58:24 ◼ ► because you can't see the jet black you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10704">TS</a>]
02:58:27 ◼ ► can't see that it's a red iPhone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10707">TS</a>]
02:58:31 ◼ ► know the color alone and see that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10711">TS</a>]
02:58:32 ◼ ► can see the dual camera yeah but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10712">TS</a>]
02:58:35 ◼ ► it so there are some changes but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10715">TS</a>]
02:58:37 ◼ ► there's it's nowhere near as much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10717">TS</a>]
02:58:39 ◼ ► happen to think and I feel like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10719">TS</a>]
02:58:42 ◼ ► the most fascinating things about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10722">TS</a>]
02:58:44 ◼ ► there's so much rumor and so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10724">TS</a>]
02:58:46 ◼ ► speculation about this year's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10726">TS</a>]
02:58:48 ◼ ► iPhones it's it's clearly a higher pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10728">TS</a>]
02:58:50 ◼ ► than usual years because there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10730">TS</a>]
02:58:53 ◼ ► every all the rumors are saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10733">TS</a>]
02:58:55 ◼ ► it's going to be something new and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10735">TS</a>]
02:58:56 ◼ ► is more exciting than something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10736">TS</a>]
02:58:57 ◼ ► not new and like you said that there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10737">TS</a>]
02:59:01 ◼ ► the nightly news in Taiwan um but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10741">TS</a>]
02:59:05 ◼ ► despite the fever pitch of these rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10745">TS</a>]
02:59:07 ◼ ► that there's something new and we hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10747">TS</a>]
02:59:08 ◼ ► that it's an edged edge screen so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10748">TS</a>]
02:59:10 ◼ ► we there's no actual leaks of what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10750">TS</a>]
02:59:13 ◼ ► going to look like like that to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10753">TS</a>]
02:59:15 ◼ ► you said you didn't lose him over in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10755">TS</a>]
02:59:16 ◼ ► Richie and I talked about it last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10756">TS</a>]
02:59:18 ◼ ► like it's almost excruciating reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10758">TS</a>]
02:59:20 ◼ ► mark durman's stuff at Bloomberg because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10760">TS</a>]
02:59:24 ◼ ► it's entirely written around the central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10764">TS</a>]
02:59:29 ◼ ► has no fucking idea what the next iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10769">TS</a>]
02:59:34 ◼ ► it's really kind of hard to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10774">TS</a>]
02:59:36 ◼ ► story where the gist of the story is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10776">TS</a>]
02:59:39 ◼ ► have no idea what the iPhone next iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10779">TS</a>]
02:59:41 ◼ ► looks like so it's is there's there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10781">TS</a>]
02:59:45 ◼ ► little bit I mean recently isn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10785">TS</a>]
02:59:46 ◼ ► like there's like some blueprints that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10786">TS</a>]
02:59:47 ◼ ► got out like the vertical camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10787">TS</a>]
02:59:49 ◼ ► stuff like that supposedly right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10789">TS</a>]
02:59:51 ◼ ► they're all but they're not consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10791">TS</a>]
02:59:53 ◼ ► yeah so the vertically aligned camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10793">TS</a>]
02:59:54 ◼ ► but government government did have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10794">TS</a>]
03:00:00 ◼ ► he wasn't first though like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10800">TS</a>]
03:00:02 ◼ ► think any of that I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10802">TS</a>]
03:00:03 ◼ ► vertically aligned cameras came from him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10803">TS</a>]
03:00:04 ◼ ► first I think that plans leaked and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10804">TS</a>]
03:00:06 ◼ ► he just wrote about him but then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10806">TS</a>]
03:00:08 ◼ ► wrote that it would it would help the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10808">TS</a>]
03:00:10 ◼ ► iPhone moving the the dual camera from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10810">TS</a>]
03:00:12 ◼ ► horizontal to vertical II aligned would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10812">TS</a>]
03:00:14 ◼ ► to help the iPhone take better pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10814">TS</a>]
03:00:15 ◼ ► oh it wouldn't still do lenses the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10815">TS</a>]
03:00:20 ◼ ► distance from each other it just it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10820">TS</a>]
03:00:23 ◼ ► changes where they are on the body but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10823">TS</a>]
03:00:25 ◼ ► anyway uh I think that's why anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10825">TS</a>]
03:00:29 ◼ ► here's what I think there's my point my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10829">TS</a>]
03:00:30 ◼ ► point is this I think Apple is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10830">TS</a>]
03:00:33 ◼ ► aware of how many people put their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10833">TS</a>]
03:00:37 ◼ ► phones in cases and I think they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10837">TS</a>]
03:00:39 ◼ ► much aware and I think that part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10839">TS</a>]
03:00:41 ◼ ► design of the whatever the next form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10841">TS</a>]
03:00:43 ◼ ► factor for iPhone is is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10843">TS</a>]
03:00:45 ◼ ► designed in mind with the fact that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10845">TS</a>]
03:00:47 ◼ ► going to be in a case and I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10847">TS</a>]
03:00:49 ◼ ► started this with the iPhone 6 because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10849">TS</a>]
03:00:51 ◼ ► think it's I think it's doing a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10851">TS</a>]
03:00:53 ◼ ► they justified to themselves the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10853">TS</a>]
03:00:55 ◼ ► bump which is that for most users the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10855">TS</a>]
03:00:57 ◼ ► camera bump is irrelevant because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10857">TS</a>]
03:00:59 ◼ ► never noticed because it's in a case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10859">TS</a>]
03:01:00 ◼ ► the case even the thinnest case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10860">TS</a>]
03:01:02 ◼ ► thicker than the camera bump the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10862">TS</a>]
03:01:05 ◼ ► bump is actually a penalty for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10865">TS</a>]
03:01:06 ◼ ► like me who don't use a case yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10866">TS</a>]
03:01:10 ◼ ► think that's a great point and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10870">TS</a>]
03:01:12 ◼ ► the other thing that I think it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10872">TS</a>]
03:01:14 ◼ ► interesting is this idea of this iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10874">TS</a>]
03:01:16 ◼ ► like plus or preneur pro or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10876">TS</a>]
03:01:18 ◼ ► is that's going to be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10878">TS</a>]
03:01:19 ◼ ► expensive to me this is a very easy uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10879">TS</a>]
03:01:24 ◼ ► it's it's interesting in water specs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10884">TS</a>]
03:01:25 ◼ ► think it's a pretty optimal path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10885">TS</a>]
03:01:28 ◼ ► actually I think for Apple to grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10888">TS</a>]
03:01:30 ◼ ► revenue because like theirs they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10890">TS</a>]
03:01:36 ◼ ► right now there is no we haven't them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10896">TS</a>]
03:01:39 ◼ ► and tested how high they can go they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10899">TS</a>]
03:01:41 ◼ ► know they can sell a lot at this price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10901">TS</a>]
03:01:43 ◼ ► point with it but the iPhone plus pushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10903">TS</a>]
03:01:45 ◼ ► it up a hundred dollars and they sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10905">TS</a>]
03:01:46 ◼ ► ton of um they're selling more even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10906">TS</a>]
03:01:48 ◼ ► than they expected and this is the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10908">TS</a>]
03:01:49 ◼ ► year in a row they've had the plus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10909">TS</a>]
03:01:51 ◼ ► for three years in a row they've under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10911">TS</a>]
03:01:52 ◼ ► produced the plus size like the the plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10912">TS</a>]
03:01:54 ◼ ► share of the iPhone is actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10914">TS</a>]
03:01:57 ◼ ► actually becoming more and more and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10917">TS</a>]
03:02:00 ◼ ► really interested about this sort of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10920">TS</a>]
03:02:02 ◼ ► even higher tier sort of sort of model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10922">TS</a>]
03:02:06 ◼ ► and I think it is a something that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10926">TS</a>]
03:02:08 ◼ ► play very well in in the China market I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10928">TS</a>]
03:02:11 ◼ ► not just uh I think it's a balance right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10931">TS</a>]
03:02:15 ◼ ► so you don't want to ruin the brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10935">TS</a>]
03:02:16 ◼ ► value of the seven 600 700 700 ollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10936">TS</a>]
03:02:20 ◼ ► phone I mean once you you are getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10940">TS</a>]
03:02:23 ◼ ► pretty darn expensive once you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10943">TS</a>]
03:02:26 ◼ ► beyond that but the implication of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10946">TS</a>]
03:02:29 ◼ ► going beyond that is the sort of status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10949">TS</a>]
03:02:31 ◼ ► and visibility that comes from having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10951">TS</a>]
03:02:33 ◼ ► that is even greater and where do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10953">TS</a>]
03:02:36 ◼ ► strike the balance between being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10956">TS</a>]
03:02:38 ◼ ► accessible to enough people versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10958">TS</a>]
03:02:40 ◼ ► getting in a iPhone 5c situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10960">TS</a>]
03:02:43 ◼ ► it's kind of like the the there was a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10963">TS</a>]
03:02:46 ◼ ► gulf between or in perception because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10966">TS</a>]
03:02:49 ◼ ► you're clearly buying the cheap iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10969">TS</a>]
03:02:50 ◼ ► right that's going to be very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10970">TS</a>]
03:02:52 ◼ ► interesting to see how that plays out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10972">TS</a>]
03:02:53 ◼ ► and how how far they try to push it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10973">TS</a>]
03:02:56 ◼ ► I think that if it's true and Rene was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10976">TS</a>]
03:02:59 ◼ ► talking about this last week where Rene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10979">TS</a>]
03:03:01 ◼ ► seems pretty sold on the idea that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10981">TS</a>]
03:03:05 ◼ ► successors to the 7s and 7s bar 7 and 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10985">TS</a>]
03:03:09 ◼ ► and 7 plus god it's I get the S is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10989">TS</a>]
03:03:13 ◼ ► whether they call it the 7s or they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10993">TS</a>]
03:03:15 ◼ ► it the iPhone 8 or something maybe if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10995">TS</a>]
03:03:18 ◼ ► it's even newer but that there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10998">TS</a>]
03:03:20 ◼ ► at this you know the same price points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11000">TS</a>]
03:03:21 ◼ ► as the 7 and 7 plus today that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11001">TS</a>]
03:03:24 ◼ ► iPhone Pro or whatever you want to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11004">TS</a>]
03:03:26 ◼ ► it is going to be significantly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11006">TS</a>]
03:03:28 ◼ ► expensive um I think that's the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11008">TS</a>]
03:03:31 ◼ ► to do it it's the only way that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11011">TS</a>]
03:03:32 ◼ ► sense and I feel like a lot of times you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11012">TS</a>]
03:03:34 ◼ ► can kind of answer like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11014">TS</a>]
03:03:37 ◼ ► Kremlinology of Apple is is it going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11017">TS</a>]
03:03:39 ◼ ► cause people to lose their shit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11019">TS</a>]
03:03:41 ◼ ► moment it's announced and like I'd say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11021">TS</a>]
03:03:44 ◼ ► let's say they come out with let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11024">TS</a>]
03:03:46 ◼ ► they come out with a replacement for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11026">TS</a>]
03:03:49 ◼ ► 7 and the 7 plus to call it the 7s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11029">TS</a>]
03:03:52 ◼ ► 7s plus just for the sake of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11032">TS</a>]
03:03:54 ◼ ► discussion at the same price points and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11034">TS</a>]
03:03:56 ◼ ► it has reasonably you know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11036">TS</a>]
03:03:58 ◼ ► expect from Apple year-over-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11038">TS</a>]
03:03:59 ◼ ► technology wise the GPU graph keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11039">TS</a>]
03:04:02 ◼ ► going up on the hockey stick the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11042">TS</a>]
03:04:04 ◼ ► has x y&z that it does better and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11044">TS</a>]
03:04:07 ◼ ► can take a side by side picture with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11047">TS</a>]
03:04:09 ◼ ► year-old camera and you can see things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11049">TS</a>]
03:04:13 ◼ ► better battery life maybe you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11053">TS</a>]
03:04:15 ◼ ► typical things like that and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11055">TS</a>]
03:04:17 ◼ ► this phone that is a jaw-dropping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11057">TS</a>]
03:04:19 ◼ ► physical form factor and let's say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11059">TS</a>]
03:04:24 ◼ ► like people would lose their fuckin shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11064">TS</a>]
03:04:26 ◼ ► if all of a sudden in this market of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11066">TS</a>]
03:04:29 ◼ ► Apple and these Samsung and all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11069">TS</a>]
03:04:31 ◼ ► super phones that are in the 700 800 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11071">TS</a>]
03:04:33 ◼ ► dollar range and Apple just doubles the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11073">TS</a>]
03:04:34 ◼ ► price for this new top tier and sells a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11074">TS</a>]
03:04:37 ◼ ► fifteen or sixteen hundred dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11077">TS</a>]
03:04:40 ◼ ► iPhone would people lose their shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11080">TS</a>]
03:04:44 ◼ ► absolutely now the other tricky Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11084">TS</a>]
03:04:46 ◼ ► thing that they could be doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11086">TS</a>]
03:04:47 ◼ ► seeding this idea of a higher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11087">TS</a>]
03:04:51 ◼ ► thousand dollar starting point and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11091">TS</a>]
03:04:53 ◼ ► just making the new design at the at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11093">TS</a>]
03:04:56 ◼ ► existing starting points that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11096">TS</a>]
03:04:57 ◼ ► thing is some kind of ruse and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11097">TS</a>]
03:04:59 ◼ ► everybody thinks fears that this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11099">TS</a>]
03:05:00 ◼ ► phone is going to be super expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11100">TS</a>]
03:05:02 ◼ ► it turns out to be you know the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11102">TS</a>]
03:05:05 ◼ ► prices the current ones because remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11105">TS</a>]
03:05:06 ◼ ► like that famously the iPad yes leaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11106">TS</a>]
03:05:10 ◼ ► is a thousand dollars and it started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11110">TS</a>]
03:05:12 ◼ ► like $4.99 that was amazing cuz it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11112">TS</a>]
03:05:15 ◼ ► so well like people were blown away at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11115">TS</a>]
03:05:19 ◼ ► how inexpensive this device right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11119">TS</a>]
03:05:21 ◼ ► because that did and it set the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11121">TS</a>]
03:05:23 ◼ ► expectations right Jobs had talked it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11123">TS</a>]
03:05:25 ◼ ► sufficiently talked it up during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11125">TS</a>]
03:05:27 ◼ ► keynote lounging in his nice little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11127">TS</a>]
03:05:29 ◼ ► chair that it easily sounded like he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11129">TS</a>]
03:05:32 ◼ ► going to say this thing is so freakin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11132">TS</a>]
03:05:34 ◼ ► great you're gonna love spending $1000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11134">TS</a>]
03:05:36 ◼ ► on this and it was half the price but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11136">TS</a>]
03:05:38 ◼ ► anyway the I could see them doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11138">TS</a>]
03:05:40 ◼ ► both ways I would have to say that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11140">TS</a>]
03:05:41 ◼ ► the post Steve Jobs world it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11141">TS</a>]
03:05:43 ◼ ► likely that they're going to sell it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11143">TS</a>]
03:05:44 ◼ ► $1,500 yeah maybe that that people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11144">TS</a>]
03:05:48 ◼ ► definitely lose their minds on that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11148">TS</a>]
03:05:50 ◼ ► other thing that's interesting I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11150">TS</a>]
03:05:52 ◼ ► if the high end is there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11152">TS</a>]
03:05:53 ◼ ► do you think it'll be like a pencil sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11153">TS</a>]
03:05:55 ◼ ► of thing like the the Samsung Note sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11155">TS</a>]
03:06:00 ◼ ► differentiate it and call it pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11160">TS</a>]
03:06:02 ◼ ► kind of match the the iPad pro I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11162">TS</a>]
03:06:04 ◼ ► know maming I don't know I can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11164">TS</a>]
03:06:06 ◼ ► them doing a pencil for it or if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11166">TS</a>]
03:06:08 ◼ ► did it would just be the regular pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11168">TS</a>]
03:06:09 ◼ ► right I don't get where it has pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11169">TS</a>]
03:06:13 ◼ ► support you as opposed to having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11173">TS</a>]
03:06:14 ◼ ► something built in yeah it could be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11174">TS</a>]
03:06:17 ◼ ► could be the pencil I don't know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11177">TS</a>]
03:06:18 ◼ ► it obviously the pencil obviousl support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11178">TS</a>]
03:06:21 ◼ ► in the device obviously costs enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11181">TS</a>]
03:06:23 ◼ ► money that they didn't put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11183">TS</a>]
03:06:25 ◼ ► quote-unquote new iPad nine point seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11185">TS</a>]
03:06:29 ◼ ► you know that always also it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11189">TS</a>]
03:06:31 ◼ ► strong differentiator to I'm a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11191">TS</a>]
03:06:32 ◼ ► queer thing that this more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11192">TS</a>]
03:06:35 ◼ ► device does this this cheaper device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11195">TS</a>]
03:06:36 ◼ ► does not I could see them tossing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11196">TS</a>]
03:06:39 ◼ ► they start at like fourteen fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11199">TS</a>]
03:06:41 ◼ ► sixteen hundred dollars I could see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11201">TS</a>]
03:06:42 ◼ ► putting air putts in the box yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11202">TS</a>]
03:06:46 ◼ ► I mean I that would blow my it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11206">TS</a>]
03:06:48 ◼ ► blow my mind it was fifty hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11208">TS</a>]
03:06:49 ◼ ► dollars i guy was as thing like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11209">TS</a>]
03:06:51 ◼ ► like a thousand or sores something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11211">TS</a>]
03:06:53 ◼ ► that maybe you're right maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11213">TS</a>]
03:06:55 ◼ ► they'll go all out I think it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11215">TS</a>]
03:06:57 ◼ ► lot more sense in fact I think if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11217">TS</a>]
03:06:59 ◼ ► gonna go for it go for it well here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11219">TS</a>]
03:07:01 ◼ ► argument I've been thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11221">TS</a>]
03:07:02 ◼ ► an awful lot is if it's only a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11222">TS</a>]
03:07:04 ◼ ► dollars more expensive like going from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11224">TS</a>]
03:07:05 ◼ ► the 7 to the 7 plus like getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11225">TS</a>]
03:07:08 ◼ ► plus-sized with the otherwise same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11228">TS</a>]
03:07:10 ◼ ► components is a hundred dollar upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11230">TS</a>]
03:07:11 ◼ ► right or is it a little more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11231">TS</a>]
03:07:13 ◼ ► hundred a hundred and twenty uh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11233">TS</a>]
03:07:14 ◼ ► yeah they did raise the price and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11234">TS</a>]
03:07:16 ◼ ► think that was a lesson for Apple too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11236">TS</a>]
03:07:18 ◼ ► they raised the price and it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11238">TS</a>]
03:07:19 ◼ ► matter they actually sold even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11239">TS</a>]
03:07:22 ◼ ► pluses this year than than last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11242">TS</a>]
03:07:23 ◼ ► right I don't really speaking I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11243">TS</a>]
03:07:26 ◼ ► has to be so much more expensive that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11246">TS</a>]
03:07:27 ◼ ► keeps people from buying it that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11247">TS</a>]
03:07:29 ◼ ► say I can I'm not there's no way I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11249">TS</a>]
03:07:31 ◼ ► buying I love it that looks amazing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11251">TS</a>]
03:07:32 ◼ ► I'm not spending sixteen hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11252">TS</a>]
03:07:34 ◼ ► on an iPhone and and therefore it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11254">TS</a>]
03:07:37 ◼ ► ship in much lower quantities yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11257">TS</a>]
03:07:41 ◼ ► because if it's only a hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11261">TS</a>]
03:07:42 ◼ ► more everybody would buy it everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11262">TS</a>]
03:07:44 ◼ ► not everybody but an enormous number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11264">TS</a>]
03:07:47 ◼ ► people who would have otherwise but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11267">TS</a>]
03:07:50 ◼ ► second level the one that's the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11270">TS</a>]
03:07:52 ◼ ► phones that are level down they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11272">TS</a>]
03:07:54 ◼ ► just going to get the one that's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11274">TS</a>]
03:07:55 ◼ ► expensive it can't just be $100 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11275">TS</a>]
03:07:57 ◼ ► expensive if they're also doing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11277">TS</a>]
03:07:59 ◼ ► they're really doing three new phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11279">TS</a>]
03:08:02 ◼ ► yeah yeah the Apple it's really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11282">TS</a>]
03:08:05 ◼ ► whole Apple pricing curve is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11285">TS</a>]
03:08:06 ◼ ► fascinating because again it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11286">TS</a>]
03:08:08 ◼ ► monopoly right there you if you want iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11288">TS</a>]
03:08:11 ◼ ► you only have one choice so the optimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11291">TS</a>]
03:08:15 ◼ ► where does Apple sign the right line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11295">TS</a>]
03:08:22 ◼ ► maximizing profit which by the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11302">TS</a>]
03:08:24 ◼ ► like the maximizing profit price is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11304">TS</a>]
03:08:26 ◼ ► always going to be higher than what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11306">TS</a>]
03:08:29 ◼ ► would be in a more competitive well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11309">TS</a>]
03:08:31 ◼ ► obviously you're gonna sell fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11311">TS</a>]
03:08:34 ◼ ► devices but your your your total profits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11314">TS</a>]
03:08:35 ◼ ► gonna be more uh yet but they've your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11315">TS</a>]
03:08:37 ◼ ► they've never as I said before they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11317">TS</a>]
03:08:40 ◼ ► never really pushed the high end but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11320">TS</a>]
03:08:41 ◼ ► you're right with the plus they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11321">TS</a>]
03:08:43 ◼ ► did push it up 100 and they pushed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11323">TS</a>]
03:08:44 ◼ ► another $30 and it has not only in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11324">TS</a>]
03:08:49 ◼ ► increased sales it hasn't decreased them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11329">TS</a>]
03:08:51 ◼ ► which is like how much more Headroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11331">TS</a>]
03:08:53 ◼ ► might they have it might be a lot and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11333">TS</a>]
03:08:55 ◼ ► think it makes a lot of the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11335">TS</a>]
03:08:57 ◼ ► about it the more I think it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11337">TS</a>]
03:08:58 ◼ ► be you know who knows or maybe be $2,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11338">TS</a>]
03:09:01 ◼ ► I don't know maybe be crazy expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11341">TS</a>]
03:09:02 ◼ ► you know because they're going to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11342">TS</a>]
03:09:04 ◼ ► stuff into it that they cannot they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11344">TS</a>]
03:09:06 ◼ ► can't put in a $700 phone and or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11346">TS</a>]
03:09:10 ◼ ► know cost wise and or they simply cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11350">TS</a>]
03:09:13 ◼ ► make in sufficient quantity there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11353">TS</a>]
03:09:15 ◼ ► I think 77 million phones in the holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11355">TS</a>]
03:09:18 ◼ ► quarter last year something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11358">TS</a>]
03:09:20 ◼ ► seventy some million what if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11360">TS</a>]
03:09:23 ◼ ► some kind of cool new technology but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11363">TS</a>]
03:09:25 ◼ ► they can only reasonably expect to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11365">TS</a>]
03:09:27 ◼ ► maybe five million of them in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11367">TS</a>]
03:09:29 ◼ ► you know then they'd have to they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11369">TS</a>]
03:09:32 ◼ ► either not make the device and and stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11372">TS</a>]
03:09:35 ◼ ► to what they can make in in quantities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11375">TS</a>]
03:09:38 ◼ ► like 70 million or they could price the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11378">TS</a>]
03:09:41 ◼ ► device at a point where five million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11381">TS</a>]
03:09:43 ◼ ► would be closer to the where supply and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11383">TS</a>]
03:09:46 ◼ ► demand me yeah if that or arrow could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11386">TS</a>]
03:09:50 ◼ ► just be that they they want to make more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11390">TS</a>]
03:09:51 ◼ ► I mean well they remember to this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11391">TS</a>]
03:09:53 ◼ ► company that's sold $20,000 gold Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11393">TS</a>]
03:09:56 ◼ ► watches I mean I'm excited you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11396">TS</a>]
03:09:59 ◼ ► they still you know they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11399">TS</a>]
03:10:00 ◼ ► addition now I mean and you know if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11400">TS</a>]
03:10:02 ◼ ► called it the iPhone addition and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11402">TS</a>]
03:10:04 ◼ ► maybe they'll charge $2,500 for it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11404">TS</a>]
03:10:06 ◼ ► don't know and maybe will be ceramic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11406">TS</a>]
03:10:08 ◼ ► mean I remember the I can remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11408">TS</a>]
03:10:11 ◼ ► his name is the great guy who writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11411">TS</a>]
03:10:12 ◼ ► those brilliant konishiki articles yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11412">TS</a>]
03:10:14 ◼ ► he had a shot down the whole ceramic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11414">TS</a>]
03:10:16 ◼ ► iPhone thing and you know a big part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11416">TS</a>]
03:10:19 ◼ ► his point was about was about volume and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11419">TS</a>]
03:10:20 ◼ ► like there's no way if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11420">TS</a>]
03:10:22 ◼ ► actually gonna do is add volume one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11422">TS</a>]
03:10:24 ◼ ► be almost impossible but to like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11424">TS</a>]
03:10:26 ◼ ► would definitely know about it uh but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11426">TS</a>]
03:10:28 ◼ ► it's a women in addition $1500 phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11428">TS</a>]
03:10:33 ◼ ► well Apple could probably pull that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11433">TS</a>]
03:10:35 ◼ ► much more easily if they're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11435">TS</a>]
03:10:37 ◼ ► making what's already making the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11437">TS</a>]
03:10:38 ◼ ► right it's not even it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11438">TS</a>]
03:10:42 ◼ ► quantities because it has to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11442">TS</a>]
03:10:43 ◼ ► like maybe it's ceramics maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11443">TS</a>]
03:10:45 ◼ ► these OLED screens whatever else the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11445">TS</a>]
03:10:47 ◼ ► thing they have I don't know what if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11447">TS</a>]
03:10:49 ◼ ► cost three thousand dollars and this axe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11449">TS</a>]
03:10:52 ◼ ► the Apple 2 Edition might so my wife my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11452">TS</a>]
03:10:53 ◼ ► wife actually has it uh it's it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11453">TS</a>]
03:10:56 ◼ ► but I mean better than the the gold ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11456">TS</a>]
03:10:59 ◼ ► just looked wrong yeah I say I agree but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11459">TS</a>]
03:11:02 ◼ ► the the white ceramic with its it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11462">TS</a>]
03:11:06 ◼ ► and it pairs with all the straps and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11466">TS</a>]
03:11:08 ◼ ► looks fantastic a phone that looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11468">TS</a>]
03:11:10 ◼ ► that would be would be it'd be hot yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11470">TS</a>]
03:11:14 ◼ ► it looks somehow to me I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11474">TS</a>]
03:11:16 ◼ ► a fan of the black phones and to me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11476">TS</a>]
03:11:19 ◼ ► just don't like the way that the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11479">TS</a>]
03:11:21 ◼ ► rectangle of the screen looks surrounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11481">TS</a>]
03:11:24 ◼ ► by a white bezel I don't like it on iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11484">TS</a>]
03:11:26 ◼ ► I just don't it's a personal thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11486">TS</a>]
03:11:28 ◼ ► whereas on that the edition watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11488">TS</a>]
03:11:31 ◼ ► way that the black and the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11491">TS</a>]
03:11:32 ◼ ► integrate because it's not really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11492">TS</a>]
03:11:34 ◼ ► black rectangle surrounded by white it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11494">TS</a>]
03:11:36 ◼ ► that black sapphire piece on top with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11496">TS</a>]
03:11:38 ◼ ► the black screen it rice really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11498">TS</a>]
03:11:41 ◼ ► yeah it may just the watch usually kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11501">TS</a>]
03:11:44 ◼ ► of has an offset color for the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11504">TS</a>]
03:11:46 ◼ ► face anyways yeah it's uh maybe Fisher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11506">TS</a>]
03:11:48 ◼ ► sort of expectations for the wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11508">TS</a>]
03:11:50 ◼ ► anyway so watch this become tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11510">TS</a>]
03:11:53 ◼ ► Business Insider to headline tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11513">TS</a>]
03:11:55 ◼ ► John Gruber says iPhone edition set cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11515">TS</a>]
03:11:58 ◼ ► three thousand dollars now all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11518">TS</a>]
03:12:01 ◼ ► I'm literally nobody is ever I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11521">TS</a>]
03:12:04 ◼ ► source on this whatsoever I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11524">TS</a>]
03:12:06 ◼ ► speculating I'm just saying it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11526">TS</a>]
03:12:08 ◼ ► shock me and I would relish the I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11528">TS</a>]
03:12:12 ◼ ► just love the the post keynote reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11532">TS</a>]
03:12:15 ◼ ► and III I mean I'm talking myself into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11535">TS</a>]
03:12:19 ◼ ► my own self created rumor but this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11539">TS</a>]
03:12:21 ◼ ► of it being a being ceramic being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11541">TS</a>]
03:12:24 ◼ ► different material yeah I think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11544">TS</a>]
03:12:25 ◼ ► really help them and know what off it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11545">TS</a>]
03:12:28 ◼ ► anybody talking about the material of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11548">TS</a>]
03:12:30 ◼ ► the phone I don't think that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11550">TS</a>]
03:12:31 ◼ ► and they're talking about glass backs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11551">TS</a>]
03:12:33 ◼ ► but the glass back rumor seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11553">TS</a>]
03:12:35 ◼ ► about the the you know regular level new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11555">TS</a>]
03:12:38 ◼ ► iPhones right it's a way to get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11558">TS</a>]
03:12:40 ◼ ► with selling again I think like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11560">TS</a>]
03:12:42 ◼ ► this high-end phone is gonna like be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11562">TS</a>]
03:12:44 ◼ ► would be a huge hit in China for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11564">TS</a>]
03:12:46 ◼ ► these status sort of conferring reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11566">TS</a>]
03:12:47 ◼ ► I just I just discussed and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11567">TS</a>]
03:12:50 ◼ ► way to get away with that without that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11570">TS</a>]
03:12:53 ◼ ► was thinking about the whole pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11573">TS</a>]
03:12:54 ◼ ► thing right and I don't think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11574">TS</a>]
03:12:56 ◼ ► wants to do that on the phone either I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11576">TS</a>]
03:12:57 ◼ ► should think about the what is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11577">TS</a>]
03:12:58 ◼ ► be the what's going to be the cell to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11578">TS</a>]
03:13:01 ◼ ► justify it being so much more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11581">TS</a>]
03:13:04 ◼ ► whereas if it's a completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11584">TS</a>]
03:13:05 ◼ ► material uh in the case you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11585">TS</a>]
03:13:10 ◼ ► you could especially since they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11590">TS</a>]
03:13:12 ◼ ► set the precedent with the watch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11592">TS</a>]
03:13:13 ◼ ► how much does it cost like 1200 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11593">TS</a>]
03:13:15 ◼ ► something so it's it's it's four times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11595">TS</a>]
03:13:17 ◼ ► as much as the as the base watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11597">TS</a>]
03:13:19 ◼ ► much more a much more reasonable spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11599">TS</a>]
03:13:22 ◼ ► in price I would say than the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11602">TS</a>]
03:13:24 ◼ ► original edition to say the least and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11604">TS</a>]
03:13:26 ◼ ► you could see a similar thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11606">TS</a>]
03:13:29 ◼ ► that it would be a thing they could pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11609">TS</a>]
03:13:30 ◼ ► that off people would be Wes they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11610">TS</a>]
03:13:32 ◼ ► lose their shit they would loot with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11612">TS</a>]
03:13:34 ◼ ► Cayman square properly they would lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11614">TS</a>]
03:13:36 ◼ ► their shit because the price is so high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11616">TS</a>]
03:13:38 ◼ ► but it would be like how on earth are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11618">TS</a>]
03:13:41 ◼ ► they can even contemplate just fine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11621">TS</a>]
03:13:43 ◼ ► like wow they actually actually went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11623">TS</a>]
03:13:45 ◼ ► there as opposed to I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11625">TS</a>]
03:13:47 ◼ ► this doesn't make any sense right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11627">TS</a>]
03:13:48 ◼ ► then I guarantee you that the thing I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11628">TS</a>]
03:13:51 ◼ ► cited it to I think it's such a lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11631">TS</a>]
03:13:52 ◼ ► lovely a little quote but the Andy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11632">TS</a>]
03:13:56 ◼ ► Warhol quote about coke being like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11636">TS</a>]
03:13:59 ◼ ► greatest American product because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11639">TS</a>]
03:14:00 ◼ ► there's just one type of coke and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11640">TS</a>]
03:14:02 ◼ ► the best it's the best soda and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11642">TS</a>]
03:14:06 ◼ ► that the bum on the street drinks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11646">TS</a>]
03:14:07 ◼ ► exact same coke that the president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11647">TS</a>]
03:14:09 ◼ ► drinks that Liz Taylor drinks nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11649">TS</a>]
03:14:11 ◼ ► else you know nobody can get a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11651">TS</a>]
03:14:12 ◼ ► coke and like with the Apple watch I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11652">TS</a>]
03:14:18 ◼ ► so much stuff from readers who are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11658">TS</a>]
03:14:19 ◼ ► this is a complete violation of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11659">TS</a>]
03:14:21 ◼ ► principles because apples always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11661">TS</a>]
03:14:22 ◼ ► like coke in that regard where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11662">TS</a>]
03:14:24 ◼ ► get the you know you can get the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11664">TS</a>]
03:14:27 ◼ ► phone in the world and you pay the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11667">TS</a>]
03:14:29 ◼ ► that people buy for other phones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11669">TS</a>]
03:14:31 ◼ ► know president United States can't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11671">TS</a>]
03:14:33 ◼ ► better cell phone than then you can but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11673">TS</a>]
03:14:35 ◼ ► if you're going to sell it for three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11675">TS</a>]
03:14:36 ◼ ► four thousand dollars and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11676">TS</a>]
03:14:38 ◼ ► sudden you're you know cutting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11678">TS</a>]
03:14:40 ◼ ► off from the best but trust me happily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11680">TS</a>]
03:14:43 ◼ ► but apples already no crossed that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11683">TS</a>]
03:14:46 ◼ ► no but they didn't though because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11686">TS</a>]
03:14:47 ◼ ► low-end watch was still the same you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11687">TS</a>]
03:14:49 ◼ ► could get the exact same functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11689">TS</a>]
03:14:51 ◼ ► and that because Apple at the end of day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11691">TS</a>]
03:14:53 ◼ ► is a software company right and and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11693">TS</a>]
03:14:55 ◼ ► this is so interesting is what if maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11695">TS</a>]
03:14:59 ◼ ► this high-end phone there are no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11699">TS</a>]
03:15:01 ◼ ► differences right like maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11701">TS</a>]
03:15:03 ◼ ► hardware is completely the same it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11703">TS</a>]
03:15:04 ◼ ► just material and what whether because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11704">TS</a>]
03:15:06 ◼ ► the problem is Apple's market in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11706">TS</a>]
03:15:08 ◼ ► is just different than the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11708">TS</a>]
03:15:10 ◼ ► world so again I think if they do this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11710">TS</a>]
03:15:13 ◼ ► really think it's a China thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11713">TS</a>]
03:15:14 ◼ ► in China they are competing on brand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11714">TS</a>]
03:15:17 ◼ ► status so in that case you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11717">TS</a>]
03:15:20 ◼ ► be Andy Warhol you don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11720">TS</a>]
03:15:22 ◼ ► anywhere else coke you want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11722">TS</a>]
03:15:24 ◼ ► create a special coke that people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11724">TS</a>]
03:15:26 ◼ ► pay lots of money to get my house they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11726">TS</a>]
03:15:31 ◼ ► I've tossed the I've tossed it out we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11731">TS</a>]
03:15:33 ◼ ► defending even obviously was a mistake I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11733">TS</a>]
03:15:36 ◼ ► don't think it was wrong to try though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11736">TS</a>]
03:15:38 ◼ ► with the solid gold edition' and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11738">TS</a>]
03:15:40 ◼ ► the ceramic is a terrific second stab at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11740">TS</a>]
03:15:45 ◼ ► the same idea but to me it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11745">TS</a>]
03:15:48 ◼ ► you're getting a better coke it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11748">TS</a>]
03:15:49 ◼ ► exactly gig you said like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11749">TS</a>]
03:15:51 ◼ ► because of the software and because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11751">TS</a>]
03:15:53 ◼ ► CPU is the same and everything it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11753">TS</a>]
03:15:55 ◼ ► like drinking your coke out of a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11755">TS</a>]
03:15:56 ◼ ► fancy goblet as opposed I exactly I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11756">TS</a>]
03:15:59 ◼ ► the street is drinking it out of the can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11759">TS</a>]
03:16:01 ◼ ► it's just both getting the same coke but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11761">TS</a>]
03:16:03 ◼ ► the person drinking it out of the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11763">TS</a>]
03:16:06 ◼ ► know gold rimmed goblet is you know paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11766">TS</a>]
03:16:09 ◼ ► for the rapper one thing that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11769">TS</a>]
03:16:11 ◼ ► different would be the display because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11771">TS</a>]
03:16:12 ◼ ► every all the rumors point to to the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11772">TS</a>]
03:16:16 ◼ ► know the to regular ought new iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11776">TS</a>]
03:16:17 ◼ ► having the same size 4.7 and 5.5 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11777">TS</a>]
03:16:20 ◼ ► displays and the 5.8 inch super fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11780">TS</a>]
03:16:24 ◼ ► you know edge to edge display would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11784">TS</a>]
03:16:26 ◼ ► on the new one but I wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11786">TS</a>]
03:16:28 ◼ ► surprised if it as the exact same system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11788">TS</a>]
03:16:29 ◼ ► on a chip and same RAM and same storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11789">TS</a>]
03:16:32 ◼ ► well III yeah I may be there so yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11792">TS</a>]
03:16:35 ◼ ► don't know right I see I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11795">TS</a>]
03:16:37 ◼ ► skeptical of the 7s and 7s plus having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11797">TS</a>]
03:16:41 ◼ ► the same four factor as a seven there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11801">TS</a>]
03:16:43 ◼ ► being a new form factor at the very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11803">TS</a>]
03:16:45 ◼ ► end because we already saw how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11805">TS</a>]
03:16:47 ◼ ► plays out with with the the 5c it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11807">TS</a>]
03:16:49 ◼ ► it it's well I didn't say same form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11809">TS</a>]
03:16:52 ◼ ► factor and the rumors don't say same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11812">TS</a>]
03:16:53 ◼ ► form factor the rumors just say same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11813">TS</a>]
03:16:55 ◼ ► screen sizes got it oh yeah yeah we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11815">TS</a>]
03:16:59 ◼ ► see I mean I do this is pure speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11819">TS</a>]
03:17:02 ◼ ► as I think we said the beginning we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11822">TS</a>]
03:17:04 ◼ ► would say again I do completely making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11824">TS</a>]
03:17:06 ◼ ► this stuff up uh but I yeah it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11826">TS</a>]
03:17:08 ◼ ► just seem to make much more sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11828">TS</a>]
03:17:10 ◼ ► that the only differentiation being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11830">TS</a>]
03:17:12 ◼ ► materials but maybe you're right maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11832">TS</a>]
03:17:14 ◼ ► maybe it's bigger and bigger is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11834">TS</a>]
03:17:16 ◼ ► in China is also will note I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11836">TS</a>]
03:17:19 ◼ ► the people you can care about getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11839">TS</a>]
03:17:23 ◼ ► like a small form-factor like the se [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11843">TS</a>]
03:17:25 ◼ ► phone if you're not using your phone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11845">TS</a>]
03:17:27 ◼ ► everything right that that almost comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11847">TS</a>]
03:17:29 ◼ ► with the presumption that you're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11849">TS</a>]
03:17:31 ◼ ► PC regularly if you're or an iPad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11851">TS</a>]
03:17:33 ◼ ► whatever if you want a smaller phone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11853">TS</a>]
03:17:38 ◼ ► what you use all the time and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11858">TS</a>]
03:17:40 ◼ ► key to your life and everything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11860">TS</a>]
03:17:41 ◼ ► do both inside the house and outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11861">TS</a>]
03:17:43 ◼ ► house you want the bigger if you want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11863">TS</a>]
03:17:45 ◼ ► bigger screen like there's just no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11865">TS</a>]
03:17:46 ◼ ► there's no ifs ands or buts about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11866">TS</a>]
03:17:48 ◼ ► all right Ben Thompson the Todd Vaziri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11868">TS</a>]
03:17:51 ◼ ► is going to be very happy Todd Vaziri is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11871">TS</a>]
03:17:54 ◼ ► the talk show listener who periodically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11874">TS</a>]
03:17:56 ◼ ► charts episode lengths over time but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11876">TS</a>]
03:18:00 ◼ ► usually whenever I post a long episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11880">TS</a>]
03:18:03 ◼ ► usually he usually deems me I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11883">TS</a>]
03:18:06 ◼ ► no no context no reference I just get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11886">TS</a>]
03:18:08 ◼ ► I get a thumbs up from todd Vaziri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11888">TS</a>]
03:18:11 ◼ ► that's buddy I predict this will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11891">TS</a>]
03:18:13 ◼ ► thumbs up episode everybody can read you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11893">TS</a>]
03:18:15 ◼ ► and your your fine work at strattera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11895">TS</a>]
03:18:19 ◼ ► just this search for Ben Thompson on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11899">TS</a>]
03:18:21 ◼ ► Google for Ben Thompson wait I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11901">TS</a>]
03:18:25 ◼ ► misspelled search a curry and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11905">TS</a>]
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03:18:30 ◼ ► and I spelled it wrong and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11910">TS</a>]
03:18:32 ◼ ► directed it to my site yeah just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11912">TS</a>]
03:18:34 ◼ ► prevent on something you can't go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11914">TS</a>]
03:18:35 ◼ ► and we've got at Ben Thompson on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11915">TS</a>]
03:18:38 ◼ ► a fine Twitter account and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11918">TS</a>]
03:18:39 ◼ ► also your no tech Ben Twitter account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11919">TS</a>]
03:18:42 ◼ ► where you tweet about the NBA who ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11922">TS</a>]
03:18:45 ◼ ► thinks going to win that NBA this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11925">TS</a>]
03:18:47 ◼ ► Oh Warriors alright I think they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11927">TS</a>]
03:18:50 ◼ ► very heavy favorite Sunday night it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11930">TS</a>]
03:18:53 ◼ ► would be amazing and phenomenal if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11933">TS</a>]
03:18:55 ◼ ► the Cavs rate will not come off but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11935">TS</a>]
03:18:56 ◼ ► mean I think they have to be the oops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11936">TS</a>]
03:18:58 ◼ ► they have to be the very heavy favorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11938">TS</a>]
03:18:59 ◼ ► yeah what's going on with the Spurs why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11939">TS</a>]
03:19:01 ◼ ► this first struggling well the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11941">TS</a>]
03:19:04 ◼ ► the problem the Spurs at a very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11944">TS</a>]
03:19:07 ◼ ► level is they don't have very dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11947">TS</a>]
03:19:08 ◼ ► guard play because their guards got old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11948">TS</a>]
03:19:10 ◼ ► and now Tony Parker's injured which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11950">TS</a>]
03:19:12 ◼ ► very sad but the I think another problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11952">TS</a>]
03:19:14 ◼ ► is the Spurs system is so their system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11954">TS</a>]
03:19:18 ◼ ► is so amazing and everyone plays well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11958">TS</a>]
03:19:20 ◼ ► and they always have amazing bench units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11960">TS</a>]
03:19:22 ◼ ► and I think a lot of the reason in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11962">TS</a>]
03:19:24 ◼ ► regular season they're just better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11964">TS</a>]
03:19:25 ◼ ► prepared and deeper than all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11965">TS</a>]
03:19:27 ◼ ► teams so they just win lots of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11967">TS</a>]
03:19:29 ◼ ► because of the system the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11969">TS</a>]
03:19:31 ◼ ► when you get to the playoffs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11971">TS</a>]
03:19:33 ◼ ► rotations become shorter you play fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11973">TS</a>]
03:19:35 ◼ ► players sometimes you play too few like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11975">TS</a>]
03:19:37 ◼ ► I think the Spurs won last night because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11977">TS</a>]
03:19:39 ◼ ► the Rockets just got too tired they only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11979">TS</a>]
03:19:41 ◼ ► played seven people right so some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11981">TS</a>]
03:19:42 ◼ ► players but once you have the playoffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11982">TS</a>]
03:19:44 ◼ ► the it's it's not the median versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11984">TS</a>]
03:19:48 ◼ ► median where's the regular season it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11988">TS</a>]
03:19:49 ◼ ► kind of like the system in the play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11989">TS</a>]
03:19:51 ◼ ► it's the best versus the best you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11991">TS</a>]
03:19:52 ◼ ► playing your best guys they're playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11992">TS</a>]
03:19:54 ◼ ► you're expressly game planning for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11994">TS</a>]
03:19:56 ◼ ► opponent attacking their weaknesses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11996">TS</a>]
03:19:58 ◼ ► picking on them again and again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11998">TS</a>]
03:19:59 ◼ ► again and so the playoffs are just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11999">TS</a>]
03:20:01 ◼ ► very different than regular season that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12001">TS</a>]
03:20:03 ◼ ► I think they have a hard time going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12003">TS</a>]
03:20:05 ◼ ► to another level because they're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12005">TS</a>]
03:20:07 ◼ ► at such a high level yeah the intensity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12007">TS</a>]
03:20:09 ◼ ► is so much higher that it tends to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12009">TS</a>]
03:20:11 ◼ ► the games closer and then you get in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12011">TS</a>]
03:20:13 ◼ ► fourth quarter and it really just comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12013">TS</a>]
03:20:14 ◼ ► down to you know your best five or six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12014">TS</a>]
03:20:16 ◼ ► against the other best five or six yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12016">TS</a>]
03:20:18 ◼ ► in just the whole game because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12018">TS</a>]
03:20:20 ◼ ► Spurs in the regular season in like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12020">TS</a>]
03:20:22 ◼ ► second and fourth quarter when the bench [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12022">TS</a>]
03:20:23 ◼ ► units are in they'll often blow the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12023">TS</a>]
03:20:25 ◼ ► open yeah but in the in the playoffs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12025">TS</a>]
03:20:28 ◼ ► those time periods are very very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12028">TS</a>]
03:20:31 ◼ ► so I mean this spurt the Spurs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12031">TS</a>]
03:20:33 ◼ ► amazing they they've won four or five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12033">TS</a>]
03:20:35 ◼ ► titles people think five titles in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12035">TS</a>]
03:20:38 ◼ ► last you know whatever number of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12038">TS</a>]
03:20:40 ◼ ► the NBA it's unbelievably difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12040">TS</a>]
03:20:42 ◼ ► win a title like four teams account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12042">TS</a>]
03:20:44 ◼ ► like 70% of all the titles because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12044">TS</a>]
03:20:48 ◼ ► just it's so dependent on having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12048">TS</a>]
03:20:50 ◼ ► best player that a best player or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12050">TS</a>]
03:20:53 ◼ ► collection of best players just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12053">TS</a>]
03:20:54 ◼ ► dominates for for for a long time right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12054">TS</a>]
03:20:57 ◼ ► but the Spurs that have also in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12057">TS</a>]
03:20:59 ◼ ► time period they've won a lot they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12059">TS</a>]
03:21:00 ◼ ► also lost a lot even when the higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12060">TS</a>]
03:21:02 ◼ ► seed and I think it's because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12062">TS</a>]
03:21:06 ◼ ► they're great they perform at such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12066">TS</a>]
03:21:08 ◼ ► high level with such consistency that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12068">TS</a>]
03:21:10 ◼ ► they dominate the regular season again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12070">TS</a>]
03:21:12 ◼ ► and again but that is less meaningful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12072">TS</a>]
03:21:15 ◼ ► a playoff context do you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12075">TS</a>]
03:21:17 ◼ ► Warriors lose a game before the finals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12077">TS</a>]
03:21:21 ◼ ► I don't if I uh I think it would I take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12081">TS</a>]
03:21:28 ◼ ► an injury or something somebody's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12088">TS</a>]
03:21:29 ◼ ► to somebody would have to get in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12089">TS</a>]
03:21:31 ◼ ► they're playing now there's no one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12091">TS</a>]
03:21:32 ◼ ► the West who's going to win a game from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12092">TS</a>]
03:21:33 ◼ ► yeah they're the probably the best bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12093">TS</a>]
03:21:37 ◼ ► is Houston gets there and they just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12097">TS</a>]
03:21:39 ◼ ► like thirty threes in a game right um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12099">TS</a>]
03:21:41 ◼ ► and it just just through sheer shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12101">TS</a>]
03:21:45 ◼ ► so I think it'd be a reasonable bet um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12105">TS</a>]
03:21:48 ◼ ► but yeah there was that game a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12108">TS</a>]
03:21:50 ◼ ► months ago yeah again the regular season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12110">TS</a>]
03:21:51 ◼ ► so it'll can't take too much from it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12111">TS</a>]
03:21:53 ◼ ► where the Spurs jumped out like a twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12113">TS</a>]
03:21:55 ◼ ► five to three weed on the Warriors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12115">TS</a>]
03:21:57 ◼ ► the Warriors ended up winning by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12117">TS</a>]
03:21:59 ◼ ► fifteen that's right it that it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12119">TS</a>]
03:22:02 ◼ ► is just the morale it had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12122">TS</a>]
03:22:04 ◼ ► is demoralizing as a vassal fast like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12124">TS</a>]
03:22:06 ◼ ► yeah that's it's over all right I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12126">TS</a>]