00:00:00 ◼ ► lots to talk about what do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► start with you wanna start with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► Microsoft build keynote yeah it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► was interesting as you watch it now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► didn't watch it I was going to whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► uh yeah sorry I failed to value out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► there uh it was it was good uh it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► funny I really liked it the as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/19">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► listening to it he like there was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/21">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► much a sort of coherent vision you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/24">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► that took the idea of you know Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/27">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► but you know by necessity has to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► you know weep over the the mobile sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► of area and to extent they certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► have in the cloud but kind of painting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► vision beyond that and kind of from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/40">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► big picture what I liked best is that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► previous builds there's always two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/43">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► keynotes yeah and the first day is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/45">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► usually sort of the windows keynote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/47">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► the second day is the azure keynote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► this year it's the opposite as er is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/53">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► first day in Windows the second day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► I think that's appropriate because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/56">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► that's realistically where Microsoft's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► growth and opportunities are so so from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/60">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► that perspective I you know I enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► I think the the problem though is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► that stuff on the edge Mike I'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/69">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► about building a sort of thing from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/70">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► from the quality of the edge like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/72">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► don't have very many edge end points and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► that continues to be a problem hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► edge being the devices that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► is that what you mean yeah yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► devices but also sort of on computers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► mean the big computer the big criticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► of always have for Microsoft and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► under saturated data is they've done a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► great job of sort of you know locking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/95">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► the folks that they've always had but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► you're a new company starting today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► which piece of Microsoft software are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► you going to buy and why and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► doesn't have a very good answer for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/107">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► question yeah that's a very good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► I would buy none yeah you right I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► it you would probably buy Excel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/114">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► yeah I have office just e5 actually use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/118">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► that for for my email in it in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► because I vastly prefer using email on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► an offline client even if it's outlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► as opposed to the problem Gmail is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► have it I have an assistant so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► and it only supports shared mailboxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► through the online interface so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► obviously the reason why I use obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/137">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► five but the uh but yeah but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► beyond that I used Google Docs for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► year for you or Google Apps I should say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► irreverence called for for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► several years and there's times I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► realistically this it's not really if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► wasn't for my own personal I can choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/155">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► software based my own personal foibles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/156">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► if I were an administrator sir Ector II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► was a larger company I'm sure I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/160">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► I mean I'm obviously an edge case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► that I'd I've lived a Windows free life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/166">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► my entire life but off the top of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/171">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► head the only Microsoft software I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/173">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► think that I use regularly is right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► Skype I don't think I use anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► I haven't had office having a Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► Office and oh my god at least 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► and Lee I don't even yeah late I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► know if I ever even used a Mac os10 ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► you're probably better off his forehead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► over that case but but I mean if you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► there it which I rarely do but but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► occasional times I do it's like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► numbers is not really competitive if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► want to just display stuff like make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► arguably better and easier and certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► you know Excel make some really ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► charts but if you there are some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► I occasionally do on on Excel that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► mean it numbers just it's not numbers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► what it is like it serves its role well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► it's not an excel competitor though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► don't know I have nothing but good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► I haven't used Excel in a long time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/228">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► I was never a serious spreadsheet person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► spreadsheets it's it's very impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► piece of software yeah it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► the I mean people have made this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/238">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► this point before but it's very true it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► really is sort of the programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► language for normal people yes like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► mean if you think about it people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► bend it to do all kinds of crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► in part because it's offering sort of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/250">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► place computation in a way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► accessible for for you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► normal people who don't know how to code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/258">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► it is basic out or whatever it's clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► chewy back hey remember it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/261">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► scripting languages so you can do actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► sort of programming which again is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► different than you know still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► basic but even just using a cell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► know equals this cell plus that cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► programming and and in that respect it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► even more impressive when you think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► it that in that light even back in 1991 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► when I was a freshman in college for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► as a freshman I ended up switching to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► computer science the next year but as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► freshman I was an engineering major and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► there was a mandatory like intro to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► programming course but not it again this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► wasn't the computer science this was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► know and it was all bit was ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/308">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► for me I mean I was like a in like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► Donlin on the computer programming team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► in high school it could be I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► it was great for me I was the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► student you don't know if you were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/319">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► same but when I got a course like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► didn't try to place out of it I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► like oh this is great I'm to do any work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/324">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► but if we ended up I think like second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/325">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► half of the thing was like an intro to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/330">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► Pascal which dates me and we were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► learning Pascal but I think the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► like month of the course was all spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► in Excel it was sort of like Excel was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► the this is how you learn you know learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► the program and I think oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/343">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► just trying to build the mindset not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► necessarily build exactly that makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► ton of sense yeah and in honestly going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► through life I bet more engineers do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► programming in Excel than writing source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► code I mean at least in some ways um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/357">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► think the other thing that Excel has as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► a and all spreadsheets but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/362">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► that they have that really makes them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► so much more approachable for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/367">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► actually doing you know creating your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► own custom programmatic things is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► makes data structures completely visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/374">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► and there's yeah so there's this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► layer of abstraction of creating a data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► structure that is completely removed if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/381">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► actually fits to conceptually in a grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► and you don't even know it you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► realize that as you're setting up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► two-dimensional and you know I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► can do three dimensional stuff too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/396">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► you know even if it's just to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► you're creating a data structure but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► don't even you know you're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► thinking about it that way yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/403">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► that's exactly it and you get and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/406">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► can visualize you know you can literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/407">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► visualize like how the numbers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/409">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► equations in you know like you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/412">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► debugging you don't even realize you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/415">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► but but that's exactly what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► right anyway nothing but good things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► say about excel so what else happened at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► this keynote what are they talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/422">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► what's the big what are people need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► know about where Microsoft is is wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► people to go and build it for those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► conference so it's you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► necessarily consumer focus but it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► they want people developers to do yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► well I think that's that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► point is there really wasn't anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/441">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► for consumers in in this at all I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► there was they had this or Cortana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► skills kit you know which which it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► be you know a Dallas to sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► Amazon echo skills things like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► have a new database service for Azure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► interesting but again speaking of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► structure is not really something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► people you know most people would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/464">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► about or or or care about and where as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/465">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► which I was yet tomorrow I always try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► speak in terms of us time but even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/472">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► I would it's not but tonight my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/475">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► tomorrow they will have I think more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► consumer facing stuff but again I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► it's it's really emblematic of the shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► in the company that that is on day two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► and to me that's that's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► biggest high-level takeaway yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► they're sort of doing on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► volition you know under Satya Nadella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► what some people ten years ago add or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► guess more than 10 years ago at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/501">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► point I had argued that should be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/502">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► by law which is break break the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► division off into its own subsidiary or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► separate company or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► yep you know like I think that that let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Microsoft stay focused on the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► let Windows sort of ride out the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► know the role that it has to play is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► sort of legacy infrastructure yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/522">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► think that's exactly that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/525">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► right and it's I didn't think they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► didn't think they were capable of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► like Windows was so long you know had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► the company mej extent that at one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/534">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► these keynotes a while ago like Asher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► was renamed Windows Azure even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/539">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► wasn't really Windows but but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/541">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► that's a great point know here one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► favorite sort of little details here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/544">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► they announced theirs now you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► access the command line in this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► your Azure dashboard or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► like through web browser or on a mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► app and it supports bash today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► PowerShell is coming PowerShell is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► command line program for Windows and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/560">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► me that that's that really that shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► right which one do they support first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► they support bash because what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/567">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► matters for most cloud applications is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► what most developers are used to is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► know Linux and and the linux shell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► that's where and so that's what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► serving first and the Windows part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► coming but it will come it will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► soon yeah I think it isn't PowerShell in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/581">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► a nutshell like there was the das prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► and PowerShell is sort of them okay we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► want a command line terminal type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► but das this piece of crap so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► something you know modern and and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► least maybe not modeled after UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► shells but at least as powerful as UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► shell yeah I mean it's it's it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► a whole thing I mean it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► a shell and a whole Wincott us its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► scripting language and it's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► open source lis or not but it yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► was released in 2006 I believe I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► looking it up so I mean it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► far removed from the sort of DOS days I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► mean it's a proper shell like if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/623">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► administrators and and folks that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► managing computers and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► it's used on the server so it mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► a proper shell it's but it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► know it's different then as as one would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/635">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► expect it's different than than bash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► I just as an aside it's so funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/641">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► I didn't think we'd be talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/643">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► shells but I do you ever use use command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► line on Mac os10 you use it sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/648">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► right yeah rarely I have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/649">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► servers that did not my not destroy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► server that's managed but um I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► few other servers that I do stuff on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► I use it for that but I rarely I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/659">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► computer do you do you care what shall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► you use no I don't care at all I use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► I use it very rarely I've I've used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► UNIX shell since at least 1990 - that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► when ice when I switch to computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/676">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► science at Drexel and I've you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/677">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► whatever I need to do done but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/685">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► never enjoyed it never really and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► never really liked writing shell scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► and so if I ever had anything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/693">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► most people would write a shell script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► once I found out about parole I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► wrote everything in Perl and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► treated Perl if I needed to as my shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► scripting language so I never really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► deep roots and I know I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/704">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► Mac os10 used to when it first shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► was using tcsh as the shell or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► I don't know and at some point it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► switched to bash because bash sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► become is like the most popular modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► scripting language because Linux uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► that I think but I never had deep roots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► like it was never like like people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► tied up and they have like these shelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/727">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► or files you know the what do you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► your profile where you've got all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► aliases and all this stuff set up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► that you can't really switch shells very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► easily because you'd have to rewrite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/737">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► so anyway recently I switched my shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► err on my Mac's to fish have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► about this shell I've heard you chatting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► about it but it's no I it's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/748">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► and I think anybody who has deep roots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/751">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► into a UNIX shell is not going to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► but it's a like a new shell it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► know something that this guy Peter a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► made he's a engineer at Apple this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► an apple project it's something he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► on the side but it's amazing and I thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► I like about it is it's like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► logical in terms of how you do stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► it doesn't have any kind of it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► separating itself from from the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► of UNIX shells it breaks a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► things that other UNIX shells all do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► it like just for one thing one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► that's so nice is that instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/788">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► spewing a whole bunch of like dot files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► you know the UNIX way of making a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► quote-unquote invisible a start the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► so gross that we're still using that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► they did they had these you end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► like six of these files in your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► folder for each shell that you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► because in Iran they don't have names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► that make any sense and no they drive me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► up the wall I know exactly we talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/812">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► right it doesn't make any sense at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► with fish you still have it you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► dot file but it's it's a folder which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/818">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► it called it's called but I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/824">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► I should do this later and I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► it's called I think it's called like dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► config or something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► there's one it's a it makes it folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► instead of a file and it's just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► folder called dot config and inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► there is is where everything else goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/843">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► so you just there's like a folder in dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► config that says fish and then inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► that folder is all officious stuff so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► other utilities use this convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► everything could go nice and neatly into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► one folder called config anyway it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► really neat I'll put a link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► notes to fish it's really I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► really neat so oh that reminds me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► is the last time I was on um 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► January 2017 looks like and we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► about the Mac a little bit then and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► do have to say I think pretty much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► that episode holds up I think pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► well after the after the the news that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► come out about the Mac Pro and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/890">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► like that like I think our general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► presumption was that there was a screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► up they wand update it but couldn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► they're not abandoning the platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► and it was just a screw-up and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► that's basically what ended up would end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► up happening so that I'm glad we uh glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► we got that one right yeah I think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► anyway before I glued fish I'll just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► this if you're a nerd and nerdy enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/911">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► to use the terminal but you've somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► seashell or Z shell or any of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► things you should give fish a try it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► through homebrew and I like it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► more than any shell I've ever tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► because it's just somehow makes sense it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► makes sense that it comes from somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► it sort of makes sense in the way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/931">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► software does right that's what made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/932">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► think of it is the idea of like change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/935">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► like one even having access to a shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► and being able to change it and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► things you can do through a shell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/941">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► that's it's it's a thing you do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/942">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► computers which is that I start remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► why I went back to that last episode but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► yeah that's why I mean it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► example yeah it does things like it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/951">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► like if you want to change the color the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► syntax colouring for the shell like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► which like a command is this color the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► arguments are this color the outputs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► this color in error is this color when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► you config you don't have to just type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► in a file you can do something and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/964">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► opens a little web local web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► window and so you can visually pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► colors and see actually see the colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► as you add to them it's oh nice amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► stuff it's so anyway it's really cool so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/974">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► anyway PowerShell it's is coming soon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► and bash is already is the default and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/983">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► first available thing that support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/986">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► interface for the other thing I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► was announced was I forget what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► call it but whatever Microsoft version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► of Xcode is what's it called virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► studio visual studio whatever the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► studio universal studio is now I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► it's not wasn't a surprise but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► there's a version of it for Mac now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► which is crazy yep and they did a demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and it was more like oh we're doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► demo on a Mac it wasn't like a we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► definitely this program but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► actually when they were doing the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► think is when they're demoing the shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and that it you know it it's of a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► it's the exact same you know two sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► of the same coin with the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► keynote being on day two the entire idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► that if you're developing on Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► server side technologies the assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► that you're developing with a Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► client and with your hands on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► keyboard is no longer there like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► completely come you know committed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► realized that but I don't know if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► majority of developers but certainly an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► enormous chunk of them are using Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► as their client whether they're writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► Mac software or not even if they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► doing like web development or Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► development or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► or saw anything server-side I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► there's an enormous chunk of them who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► no yep and and the platforms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► they're developing for um you know yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► on PC it's still meal windows still as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► it you know dominant more the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► share but pcs aren't a piece species are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► the fast I mean in a very real way or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► you know to a topic I'm sure we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► to there they were never even a thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► and that's that's the reality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► Microsoft has to deal with for and to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► and I think they by and large are again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► that doesn't mean that they're out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► the woods because they still have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► stuff to actually reach consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► actually get in front of them both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► terms both in that applies to business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► just as much as applies to to end-users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► but at least they're you know not stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► focused on focused on the past yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► so now we're in unusual how things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► change situation where Microsoft is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► company that's flexible about what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► machines people are using to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► against their technologies and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► the company that makes you develop on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► Mac to write for their phone OS right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► not that I blame Apple for that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► have come out as me you know blaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► them I to makes profiles again but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► it's just it's just a funny situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► yeah I mean the apples the company with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► an operating system was such over well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► at overwhelming market share that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► can compel developers to buy a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► that they otherwise wouldn't buy just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► do development for it yeah it's it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► it's hard to especially if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► following Apple I'm sure it's harder for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► you than for me I mean back in I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► following Apple that I used when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► appreciate the extent to which they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► at all it like it's it's easy easier the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► situation to change on the ground before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► it's before changes sort of your mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► state and I think that's a proper app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► you act and behave changes when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► when you're dominant as opposed to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► you're you know the sort of scrappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► scrappy underdog yeah um yeah totally so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► what else is going on at surface or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► surface had build you know that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► conference I was I was at the one time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► was in a video yes that's right uh feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► like a long time ago well it's it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► mean it's crazy I'll lightning ahead Way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► was a while ago it has to been what four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► four or five years ago three years ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► think I think was wrong I think so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► was somebody's I thought I was still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► the states when that happened but yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► but I could be wrong but long story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► short for those who don't remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► was when I was working with Brent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► Simmons and Dave wish because they we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► called her social q-branch we had her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► app vesper and we did the sinking our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► own sinking back-end for various reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► but we built it on I guess I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► were there right we were doing it at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► time when they called it Windows Azure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► and they made like they made us one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► the like examples in a little video that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► they showed on the in the keynote flew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► us out there and everything was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► nice kind of weird they have yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► have this uh they have a real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► translator for Microsoft PowerPoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► that's kind of nifty so when you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► presenting and it will be show like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► real-time translation of the of the UH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► yeah so that's kind interesting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► again I mean it's it was mostly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► was it was mostly all back and stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► which which which is fine I think as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► as consumer-facing stuff you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► one today is probably going to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► more interesting but then again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► just announced the the windows s and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► new laptop so a couple weeks ago so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► think they're disposed there's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► might be a Cortana speaker like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► an echo type device yeah at which but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► again you know I mean actually getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► customers to get customers hands is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► gonna is going to be the challenge I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► guess the reason I was going to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► gave somebody who observes Apple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► I have muscle memory you know and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► weird to see a company that's so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► Apple like like it's baffling to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► they would hold an event a week before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► their big developer conference right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► they would talk about a new operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► system and unveil these new products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► like why wouldn't you do that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► keynote but I'm guessing you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► the keynote this morning ran long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► then the Windows one tomorrow they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► their keynotes already already run long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► right I mean today was really I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► was much more of yeah it was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► hardcore like back-end development or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► wine a business application sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► stuff I mean it wasn't a really consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► facing thing at all it not even on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► slightest and yeah maybe they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► announced the the things tomorrow but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► think yeah there's a very queer sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► bifurcation and I think you've nailed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► before what Windows is sort of its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► thing particularly the consumer facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► side of Windows and I think they there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► relatively free rein to do what they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► to you know support and earn customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► but that doesn't necessarily really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► strategic perspective on the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► Microsoft which is you know really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► future of the company and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► probably this is probably a good example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► it was weird I know today's build they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► move it around I think all that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► they often move it around but this Sears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► is in Seattle when I went two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► years ago three four years ago whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► it was it was in San Francisco in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► Moscone which only added to this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► like I was in a bizarro developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► bizarro WWDC because they even had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► keynote at third floor you know we wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► what Apple always calls the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► Presidio you know that the those big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► convention spaces are sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► modular you know there's walls that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► be moved around to change the shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► make room slightly bigger or smaller but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► the thing that Microsoft did what and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► I've seen so many keynotes in that room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► because Macworld Expo used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► in the same room WWDC every year I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► those are the two things but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► Sika notes in that room and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► configuration of the room is almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► always the same it's a very if you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► almost think that it the room always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► looks like that but it's actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► an apple setup like it when WWDC has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► done all that everything in there is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► and the thing that Microsoft did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► they had their stage along what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► Apple's configuration is the side like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► Apple sits the room with the stage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► the front and the room goes back long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► Microsoft set it up said that the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► was wide and the room wasn't as deep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► they site in a way that that made sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► everybody was closer to the stage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► Microsoft's configuration but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► were further from the center if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► didn't have a center seat and they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► up for that by having huge screens that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► were just showed the same instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► having one big screen that shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► something they had like a wall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► screens that all showed the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► over and over again and it just weirded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► me out it was just guess it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► it's like coming home and somebody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► everything is the same except they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► rotated every room in your house by 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► degrees that would be weird uh but yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► no no no Moscone keynote again this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► I mean right well they've been in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► the what is it the Billy Billy Graham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► auditorium oh is that what it's called I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► uh something like that I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► mean they might never do Apple might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► never do a Moscone right I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► yeah what might be uh which is fine he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► wasn't it wasn't the greatest I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► like the I'm not a big fan of the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► set up in Moscow nee I'm not either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► really I don't have anything against it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► but I thought the Microsoft setup was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► actually very nice I've it worked very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► well and I felt like everybody got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► you couldn't really see may not be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► to see the actual people but if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► I feel like if you were sitting seated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► along the side you had a much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► screen in front of you than you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► seated in the back in Moscow me an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► setup right exactly yeah I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► Apple Apple might never have an event in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► San Francisco again you never say never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► I mean who knows but I because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► like for their smaller events they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► going to have them at their headquarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► right I don't think you name the theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► Steve Jobs theater unless you intend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► use it quite a bit to unveil new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► products right like I'm sure they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► know have you been to the new campus you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► know I've never I don't even know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► it is I was asking about it when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► out there for the Mac Pro summit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► whatever you want to round table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► discussion it was a I guess it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► isn't close I don't know to be I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► so I one of the buildings that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► was torn down so I definitely know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► it is be guys it's it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► another exit on the freeway from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► where the current campus is right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► did you could drive there through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► through through city roads but yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► a little bit of a hike it on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► side of the freeway so it just wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► convenient and I didn't have a car so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► what wasn't like I was going to take an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► uber to go look at a construction site I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► mean those fly overs that people publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► from those drones are probably better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► than what you'd get looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► ground from the outside yep yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► so I mean maybe uh I mean I imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► ID well I guess we'll see with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► iPhone with the iPhone announcement but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► they did that they did that in San Jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► also not last year but for the when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► did the watch the watch unveiling was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► was in San Jose uh yeah where was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► forget where it was I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► San Jose no it was at the the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► unveiling was at the the College in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► oh is that was that Cupertino I I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► it wasn't it's like some that I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► the name of the college but De Anza or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► something I I forget what the hell of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► this but it was not know the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► was in San Jose was an iPad event like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► in 2011 I think or 2012 I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► was right before Scott Forstall got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► fired how was the how was the the Danza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► auditorium or whatever it was I was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► right it wasn't it wasn't anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► write home about that was the one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► Apple build a big mysterious white box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► out front right right right and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► the end ecology of the ends is that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► yep um it was okay uh I'm not surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► that they haven't been back since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► don't think it was great I think the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► thing people don't seem to understand is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► that this Steve Jobs theater is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► big either like there's no way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► can't have like a WWE seeking out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► some people have speculated that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► know maybe this year they'll secretly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► bus everybody to the new campus to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► the keynote there or something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► like--that's that no you can't but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► can't bus 5,000 people there but B it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► not a 5,000 person auditorium I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► know what this evening and see that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► don't want 5,000 people writing her on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► that campus right I don't think yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► don't think they want people on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► campus well be the old the old uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► old one town uh what's called God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► yeah Tony Hall that was tiny that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► turn it was like but I said I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► yeah that makes sense though I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► the I bet WABC will end up back in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► Francisco we'll see I'll probably see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► how it goes this year and then because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► the reason it's in San Jose this year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► because Moscone Center construction I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► don't know what I don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► I really don't what well basically all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► of the but everyone is not in Moscone by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► and large like how they have there been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► any big events there I mean I know only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► part of Muskaan's are construction but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► don't think Apple is the only one to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► their stuff on their schedule if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► look it's so north and south Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► north and south the big like the expo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► hall ones are closed and they're ripping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► up the street i if there's an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► for it it's the fact that they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► the street ripped up I guess that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► Howard Street is all ripped up for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► north and south expansion but Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► West is still open and is not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► renovated and I've you know before Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► made this announcement you could look on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► the schedule in their world you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► there was like one open week in June but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► the otherwise there's stuff in Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► week Moscone West all the time I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► be wrong yeah not are you right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► know I mean who cares if the streets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► ripped up I've seen people say well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► streets all ripped up oh who gives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► I don't know you'd say nobody's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► like everybody's driving down Howard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► Street to get to WWDC I think if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► wanted to have it at Moscone West this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► I think there's other reasons you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► whether they got a better deal whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► they really you know I I do think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► personality on a company there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► homebody company they they don't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► are not a San Francisco company I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► they have a couple of offices there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► you know they really are at as a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► they're at home on their campus in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► Cupertino and I feel like they being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► closer to home is better for them yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► no question I mean just being in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► valley I mean they're they're not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► it's own insular sort of culture like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► it's much less sort of interspersed I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► obviously an employee level that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► the solicit case but especially once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► get more into senior management I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► it's it's it's own world like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► the same geographic area but the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► intertwined with Google and there's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► more of a sort of back and forth in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► that perspective when it comes to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► of Big Valley companies and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► in San Francisco but yeah my Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► always been its own its own sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► universe and you see it you see that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► over the place not just in the valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► you see it sort of online you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► when it comes to Apple fans there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► lot of people who are Apple fans or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► are not necessarily tech fans you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► actually see that when it comes to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► readers and you see it you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► interesting it really is its own sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► its own sort of entity for better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► worse yeah and I think at a practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► level it's absolutely the case I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► there's no argument no spin it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► just a fact that San Jose is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► closer to Apple's campus or campuses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► Cupertino that for engineers at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► who have things to do that week that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► they need to be at the office they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► swing by they might be able to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► couple of hours work in their office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► then go to WWDC in the afternoon for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► labs or something like that and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► might get you know attendees might get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► interaction with significantly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► engineers from Apple who couldn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► an entire day to go up to San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► I mean San Francisco is can be over an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► depending on traffic and San Jose it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► you know probably like 10 15 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► drive yep yep exactly as you you found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► us you found a good spot for for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► California theater where that iPad event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► was the one that was in San Jose so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► a lot bigger than the old place good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► place where I had my show yeah oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► it's so much bigger it's guys like as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► get 1,100 seat capacity and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► that when we had it mezzanine in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► Francisco which I love which I still if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► you know I love that facility I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► doing a show there but I think we capped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► it at 500 I think you could mezzanine a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► attendance cap is significantly higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► than that but 500 seems to you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► and judging from people's reactions over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► the years if it's it keeps it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► getting too crowded like I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► attack the most number of people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► there I feel bad when people like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► think tickets sold out in like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► minutes last year so I feel bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► people want to go can't come but I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► rather have everybody I draw there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► fewer people come and more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► comfortable but I uh yeah are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► gonna be drinks I think that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► the the more pressing question there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► will be drinks and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► that's going to work because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► the--it's a real theater theater and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► don't know yeah any pictures right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► right I don't know how easy it'll be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► people who are sitting in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► a road to go get drinks so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► it might have to be sort of a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► get your load on get your load on before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► the show starts that was the great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► about Bethenny's you could like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► obviously there was the seating and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► interviewer or you know the show was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► going on you wouldn't get up and go but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► you could also just sort of be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► back and be you know mingling a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► bit and getting a drink and uh so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► it kind of served a you could watch you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► could watch the show in multiple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► multiple ways okay which was nice well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► but 1,100 people Jesus that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► be nerve-racking as a balcony and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► beautiful I'm looking at the looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► the pictures right now yeah take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► still aren't on sale but they will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► that's right now okay I forgot that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► hadn't I like that maybe people give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► Munsell with how you post what I am you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► know I'm not waiting till the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► minute but it's just lots of little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► it's not too much work I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► it's not like I'm sitting there hooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► microphones up and stuff but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► lot of details to be worked out yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► anyway well hopefully hopefully I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► give it give anything away no no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► no no that's a secret it even the venue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► is art it's right there on apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► website and stuff like that so i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► keeping it secret anyway let's take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► break i thank our four sponsors our good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► friends at fracture fracture is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► photo decor company that's out to rescue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► your favorite images from the digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► ether that's their words not mine here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► what they do they take your photos they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► print them directly on glass right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► on the glass on the glass not a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► paper glued to glass they I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► proprietary stuff they just put glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► into the printer the printer puts your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► photo right on the glass and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► mail it to you and it looks amazing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► got that Retina effect where it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► looks like it doesn't look it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► there's just such a different effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► than a piece of paper behind a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► glass and frame and it takes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► pain-in-the-ass stuff out of hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► pictures up because this happens to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► every time every time I used to get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► Ikea frames or something like that you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► put a photo in there and then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► to get those little things on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► that take that secure the cardboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► flip them up and then you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► picture in then you put the cardboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► back in and you flip them back down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► inevitably the picture goes like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► degrees off and you got to open it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► start all over again what a pain in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► ass with the pictures from fractured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► there's nothing like that can happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► it's just a piece of glass so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► always perfectly aligned and they ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► you everything you need to hang it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► the wall in the box they even include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► the wall anchor just upload your digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► photo on their website pick the size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► just wait for it to show up in a mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► that's it could not be easier where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► you go to find out more fracture me.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► slash podcast not did everyone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► time I read it I feel like I'm making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► mistake and that that's some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► placeholder but that's really the URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► fracture me.com slash podcast and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► guess they use the same URL for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► podcasts but then at the end when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► they'll say hey where'd you find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► about fracture and you can say the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► hey go buy something for Father's Day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► it's a great great gift too late for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► Mother's Day Mother's Day is like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► days from now but fathers days coming up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► next month what an amazing gift go buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► fracture for your for your father your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► husband anything like that what a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► well I fractured me is is memorable yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► and to your l's at euros are hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► there's someone was making fun of there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► is a tweets and effective tech before so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► are so uncreated that they have a site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► about strategy and tactile trajectory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► and I'm like it's it's true I've no I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► no excuse every dairy firewall as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► I'm always like damaged I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► hired you to get a name you find me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► name before I started but I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► it's the other thing too is is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► any URLs hard and the one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► when I started I had no money I was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► was in debt that you know and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► like going out and spending money to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► a a URL or whatever or Twitter handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► stuff like one of the advantages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► trajectory is it was available um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► would I like I said I probably wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► use it again if I starting over because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► it's you know so hard to say hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► spell hahaha which is not a good not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► good combo but but yeah it's it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► you the whole URL Twitter handle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► is uh it's tough you know I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► fracture me especially now after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► sort of made that that that little joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► you know that I have during fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► calm right yeah but it redirects to done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► it right and some people don't ask about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► that anymore in the early years people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► would be like why why do you why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► redirect to.net why don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► wouldn't would most people if I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► both redirected calm and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► like to me it's like I started using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► internet so early when most domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► weren't comms you know like dot orgs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► dot ed use bed use were probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► most popular that I used uh and net to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► but to me.com was sort of crass in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► early years and I know that in the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► know after the document even called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► sort of became the the neutral one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► it's like ground zero of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► top-level domains like by default you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► wanna calm but like when I was I'm in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► mind it still is sort of crass I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► again the early years all the dot-com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► sites were garbage right with it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► supposed to be like commercial right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► think it was dancefloor then try I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► I liked I agree I like dotnet better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► yes I give in to the to the prevailing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► own trajectory got net also but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► redirects in the opposite direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► right and like Kottke I think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► really early types you know like me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► was it like hockey org yeah and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► it wouldn't work like neither it somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► is part of the domain like cocky net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► wouldn't be right cocky calm would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► awful like it just it wouldn't be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► same like Kottke org is exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► and for whatever reason in my mind it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► just like when you rewrite a sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► and just use the same words but you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► a clause in the middle of the sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► as opposed to at the end or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► like that and one way reads great in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► way it doesn't to me daring firebolt net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► reads better than daring fireball calm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► Mozart go ahead go ahead man oh no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► just I just gonna say there's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► thing about daring fireball is it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► distinct that you can one if you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► these if you type in URL and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► thing is that no one actually types you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► know us us nerds do but the best or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► people don't even you know type URLs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► like the google has the whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► uh like a huge number back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► like they they could track how popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► Facebook was because my people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► typing Facebook into Google to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► Facebook know what's more people doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► really rusher but that's great about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► during fireball even if you do your L or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► you do a Google search whatever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► going to its memorable and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► wasn't there a thing where oh off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► top of my head I'm not remembering it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► right but there was a thing where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► number one result for facebook login was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► no longer the facebook login page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► the poor bugger who had it was just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► guy site or something and they the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► was just inundated with thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► what have you done to Facebook this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► doesn't look like Facebook do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► remember that I I don't but that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► right it's pretty because that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► people get to the facebook login sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► they go to Google and then type facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► login hit return I'll expect expect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► be taken there funny stuff that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► my son gets around the internet he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► type stuff into Google yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► baby that's pretty normal behavior I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► mean if people you know to the extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► people are still using the Internet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► mean it's uh it it really shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► extent to which Google is the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► linchpin for the Internet I mean yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► can type your Elle's go to places but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► the reality is in the way that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► actually experience online is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► rule it's not just about like typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► Facebook into Google search page but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► there's just so much stuff there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► there's so many things that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► incomprehensible to to anyone even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► smartest person person on earth I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► brilliant is such a brilliant sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► invention is that you know the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► search engines the more stuff there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► the more they bogged down because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► were you know I mean the original Yahoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► was literally a directory I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► obviously the future search engines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► weren't you were much more sophisticated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► but Google by sort of building on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► the link instead of building on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► the pages themselves it well it turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► out when you got more links Google got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► smarter and understood it better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► well when the web got larger everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► else got worse except for Google which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► actually got even better and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► that's you know that's sort of the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► piece of the company's dominance and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► why they're the you know the winch pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► for for the entire Internet which brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► us to Windows 10 s and the way that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► Windows 10s you can't change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► default search engine you get Bing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► yeah and I think that's I I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► they're giving away tennis to yes I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► so that's that's at the primary way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► they're going to I mean obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► there's app sells as well but app cells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► and and Bing searches and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► that I think Bing is actually profitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► now or or very close to it it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► for a little bit actually it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► don't you think I mean it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► sense that they would keep they'd keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► losing money on it because I mean now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► I'm still you know how much could it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► cost other than labor you know yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► yeah it's where those things where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► it's not like a Winnie er sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► where they make a little more money a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► little more money and that now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► profitable they're going like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► you're either losing a lot or you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► making a good amount like once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► the sort of scale effects that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► they're kicking in uh yeah it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► still it's not actually growing pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► decently I should I think five five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► point three billion in revenue the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► fiscal year I should try it again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► haven't tried Bing in a while I done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► different max are different devices at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► any given time I sometimes switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► DuckDuckGo which I admire is the plucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► little startup you know and their local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► to Philly to its which it gives me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► little affection for them but I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► admit that there there's a lot of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► with DuckDuckGo where it's semi-free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► yeah if you're going to do it you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► some point in a week you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► typing to look there's a trick they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► you can even type like GE exclamation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► mark and it redoes the same query but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► redirects you to Google because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► just sometimes it's you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► not as good as Google search I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► do some really cool stuff and I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► privacy aspect of it but it sounds good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► but the thing that surprises me is I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► thought Microsoft might catch up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► Google search with Bing cuz it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► like the sort of problem that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► would be able to solve like it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► surprises me that Microsoft software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► never has is nice of a UI as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► software because it's institutionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► they're just they just don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► people who have the taste for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► web search is really just you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► to have taste for that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► it's a purely algorithmic challenge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► get that right well they're not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► the thing with Google is it is a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► algorithm itself is far bit far beyond a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► any one person could you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► designed by a person to start at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► point it's so complex and have loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► and a lot of it is is just constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► iterative feedback so when people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► doing searches it not in that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► about the individual I search is just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► a whole like which results are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► quick like Google wants the first the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► proper results we the first result so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► they are tracking which result you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► actually click on where how far down you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► go and and plus websites are optimizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► cells for Google and they and so by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► crafty has to you know would attach on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► to that but it's one of those situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► where thanks to the feedback loop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► comes from having the most data and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► most users and the most searches if two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► identical search engines if one starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► at fifty one percent market share and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► one starts at forty nine percent market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► absent sort of any exterior force the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► one with market share is going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► better over time relative to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► one it which means which and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► it gets better that lets it get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► users because it's a better search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► engine and then it gets even more data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► relative to the competition so it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► has a bigger advantage so the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► is even Microsoft could have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► smartest sort of search folks in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► world but because it's a problem that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► not just about algorithm design it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► it's about the entire sort of system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► having it a feedback loop they will it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► very difficult to to ever catch up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► absent some sort of like incredible you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► know breakthrough you can't buy your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► out and all there's no way to write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► interesting I think your that to me has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► to be the explanation because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► don't think that I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► problem is that Microsoft doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► the intelligence in the engineering to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► do it I you know and they obviously will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► had no problem spending money on it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► know for years famously they were losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► billions on bing I think that's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► though that Google so popular that it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► you know that their popularity feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► upon their accuracy right if there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► seeds upon their popularity and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► where Google is in some respects it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► like a Facebook effect but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► sort of network effect but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► necessary about people per se it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► interaction between people and the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► of data they generate but you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► same sort of idea where the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► service like because did I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► always write a lot of about user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► experience and the point I always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► to sometimes forget to make this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► when I forget to make this point I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► regretted because I get a bunch people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► questions user experience does not mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► user interface user interface is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► important part of the user experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► and is critical you know for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► like a phone for example that's in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► hand you're interacting with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► actually you know we talked about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► know we can stuff in Congress in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► little bit but the user experience is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► the totality of the experience which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► means you know having better search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► results means it's a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► having more friends on Facebook more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► family on Facebook not having to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► recruit people to get on there means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► it's a better it's a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► interface per se and these aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► the experience are they build on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► themselves and this is why you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► these companies that are so dominant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► what makes it so tricky and I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► writing a lot about this you know over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► the last years so these companies are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► powerful because of these sort of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► effects and these network effects and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► they're powerful in a way that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► actually better for the consumer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► google is popular because it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► which means it gets more users and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► it gets more users it actually becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► even even better which means it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► so there is it's positive on the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► perspective and same a Facebook it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► the most user so it more people join it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► because it's there and the more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► join it now it has more users and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► get the same sort of feedback loop where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► people choose it because it's better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► that sort of makes from a anti-trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► perspective that makes sort of US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► antitrust like fall completely apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► because it's based on consumer benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► and there's actually they're providing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► ton of consumer benefit that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► all right as a summary of like 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► scenarios I've been writing about did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► you see the story that in the verge had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► it that the surface laptop now the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► like unique thing about these surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► laptops that they announced is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► other than the keyboard and a trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► that what you touch on the front face is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► like a like a soft touch leather like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► fake leather type thing but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► it's called which looks awful to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► apparently a lot of carmakers use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► high-end car makers well I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► judge it on photos but from the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► to me it looks terrible I would not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► that I wouldn't if I had the choice when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► buying a laptop whether I just have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► bare aluminum surface or like no pun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► intended surface or have it covered with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► this stuff if without having seen it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► person I would zero hesitation I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► just say just give me the aluminum this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► seems like a disaster yeah but I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► people excoriating Microsoft for having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► said told the verge that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► treat it like a like a luxury purse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► something like that or a luxury handbag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► and I think people took that as meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► that it's like dainty and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► you're like you have to treat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► preciously I think that's how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► reacted to this like the headline I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► think Microsoft says the fabric on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► surface laptop should be cared for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► a luxury handbag and I think the verge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► did a disservice with that headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► because it's not really that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► that's not a quote the only quote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► that headline is the word luxury here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► the actual statement from Microsoft I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► hate this use of the word luxury just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► like anything luxury that you buy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► that it should be luxurious or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► or any luxury product that you buy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► it still it seems self-serving for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► to describe it as luxury but anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► like anything luxury that you buy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► great handbags or a pair of shoes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► even expensive cars there is a care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► that's needed for the device the so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► you know I think Note has to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► care for but I think the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► people aren't maybe maybe now you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► understand it with with our spouses but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► you can get like there are handbags that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► that are might be you know from a luxury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► brand and they're not really dainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► they're actually the opposite they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► actually very they're they're built to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► last for decades you know and yep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► you know you do have to treat leather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and if you get it wet you have to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► care of it right away and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► surprisingly well they're not dainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► little Faberge eggs that are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► much more rugged in some ways than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► sometimes you like as long as you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► nice bag or some nice pair of shoes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► are luxury but you buy them because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► last way longer and hold up much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► and age much more attractively than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► something that's that's lower costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► right a difference it was a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► Twitter account I was into for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► was it was one of those ones that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► interesting only when it was anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► and then when somebody figured out who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► the guy was there's no fun anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► GS elevator remember that it was oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► yeah it was so so put it was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► from the perspective of stuff overheard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► in the elevators at Goldman Sachs and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► was often hilarious often very very rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► sort of from the that very lewd that bro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► a alpha male banker mentality um but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► remember the guy who wrote it had liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► it was like a he also had like articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► I was just like alright so you got a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► and an investment bank here's what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► you know your kid out of college here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► what here's the clothes that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► buy and one of his things was that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► should get like I forget I forget if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► recommended Gucci or what but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► something like get like a nice pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► Gucci shoes yes there's $800 or $700 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► they will last you way longer than 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► pairs of $200 shoes if you take care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► right yep you know there's obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► some things that are luxury priced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► are not you know that you're just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► know like a sports car like if you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► Lamborghini you're just pissing money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► it's not really it you're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► buying it for the value of I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► car is valuable but it's not like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► not going to sink tens of thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► dollars in it maintenance as you go like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► nobody buys a Lamborghini because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► worth it's a good investment reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► wise compared to a Honda right yep we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► but there are some things like a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► shoe or a nice belt or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► that where you actually yes you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► paying a lot of money but it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► might be you might be paying five times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► more than what you're used to but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► actually getting like ten times better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► product I don't think that the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► laptop is like that though I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► yeah yeah I went to that's not I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► use that word choice and yeah that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► that I'm looking at that just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► anything luxury that's driving me up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► wall that's that's terrible they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► they have to have tested this I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► it's like last week on the showed Renee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► and I were joking about that the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► our iPod that Kate I think was like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► scratched do you remember that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► original the original nano yeah it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► almost in a you know I would love is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► of those like behind the scenes things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► would love to someday get that story out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► of Apple as to how in the hell did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► make tens of thousands of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► or a half a million of these things out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► of a plastic that you scratch with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► fingernail like what the hell are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► thinking how did that not get caught in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► testing I don't mean if you saw one like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► they and with in not long I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► would be just completely destroyed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► to the point where you could barely even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► read the screen we in the whole it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► the whole front not just the screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► the entire surface would be right would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► be just completely yeah all shredded up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► yeah it's hard to remember compared to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► phones where everything is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► closer to the surface now but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► iPods even with the Nano there was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► of a thick layer of screen or not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► screen but just plastic on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3405">TS</a>]
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01:03:52 ◼ ► since it does like photo video calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► right which I actually think is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► most the most interesting part of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► it really featured very heavily in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► sort of the introductory video yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► have to I have to watch that again but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► it did seem like it's almost more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► the bigger announcement is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► doing their own they don't have a name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► for it though right there's no they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► don't have like a name like FaceTime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► right no it's just it's just uh yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► it's not just the echo show because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► updated the the Alexa app and so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► go between phones and the echo show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► or or echo showed echo show I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► for sure if you can go phone to phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► but I presume you I presume you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► yeah that's not about yesterday I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► that I presume you can and that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► look it up and then I backed it up right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► but yeah but it but it is basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► FaceTime competitor without being called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► a FaceTime competitor but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► certainly what it is well it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► it would so that the the trick to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► whole thing is that they've updated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► the phone app for I guess Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► iOS I know the iOS once updated where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► both for you to have one of these calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► with somebody who doesn't own an echo or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► you know what good who would want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► this if you had to be in the room where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► your echo is to get the call thank it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► like yours all of a sudden you're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► to like landline days where you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► quick run to the kitchen to take a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► call that that's not gonna fly but well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► yeah but I mean I remember all the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► think the with the echo first first came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► along you know it was it had in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► original interactive video which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► unfortunately taken down but it was even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► it was super corny and I'm a rock with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► made fun of it but actually I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► liked it because it was and you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► the same thing in the new echo show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► video which is it's very sort of there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► no like fancy like marketing commercial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► straightforward like showing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► explicit use cases for this product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► people go through use cases like the dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► is changing the baby's diaper and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► ordering new diapers like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► subtle at all but I kind of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► like it's you're not limited to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► 30-second grab you're not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► instill sort of I think it's a mistake a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► traditionally made is they've they hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► these branding agency especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► early attack these Brian agencies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► we're used to doing like consumer goods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► because we were packaged goods and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► it's all about building sort of brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► affinity because the goal is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► someone's in a store and they're faced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► with like 15 options for crackers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► one or they or Joe or might be they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► choose one and they don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► why they chose it they just they just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► and that's the payoff of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► advertising and branding and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► all that that sort of stuff with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► tech products it's much more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► deliberate choice so to use sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► brand type marketing I think is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► inferior to just showing it showing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► it works I mean this is something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► somebody my favorite Apple ads actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► were the original iPhone ads not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► first one like the holo hello at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► Academy Awards but now all the ads after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► that for the first year they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► showing people using the phone the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► were they know that Bob Bircher I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► is nameless right yeah at the very end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► the phone with the phone and ring so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► they show them reading their times they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► show them uh you know scrolling playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► a game or not playing a game but doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► stuff on the phone that you could do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► the phone and then active at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► under commercial and it's the same one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► every time the phone would ring say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► and it's a phone and it was so effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► both in explaining what the iPhone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► they're also teaching people how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► commercials just because I think the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► they really it was a new way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► commercials I think it was much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► for a tech product and uh something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► was always very frustrated by when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► at Microsoft because I thought they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► so so many the commercials were in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► CPG branding mindset when you're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► a very different kind of product yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► yeah those I phone commercials were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► brilliant because they were fast they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► when they were 30-second spots but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► they showed things and they I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► they showed it they showed the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► but David was like real things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► they're like look you maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► believe it maybe you hear somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► saying you know you can get Maps on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► phone now and on these iPhones you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► get a usable map but they'd show it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► say here look type Starbucks and hit up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► one button very easy just says you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► like search or whatever and then a map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► shows up showing how far you are from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► Starbucks or whatever the example wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► a commercial yep yep exactly yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► map one was it was it was it was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► immediately became apparent what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► value was to people right right yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► yet this is something you can it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► is something you can understand like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► stood that did it sounds funny but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► the thing that I think a lot of tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► people even tech marketers overlook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► that you tell a lot of people okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► you've got a cell phone we know that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► know you're frustrated by it we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► that you probably can't figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► to do anything on it other than make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► phone calls we're trying to sell you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► phone that does browses the web gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► your email has maps let you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► youtube videos but trust us none of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► is more complicated and making phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► calls is even easier than it was on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► yeah is that it's exactly right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► mean these these at these Amazon echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► spots are not like that there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► they're not nearly as you know high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► producing they're still pretty corny but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► if you're showing a product a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► hundred dollar product and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► original echo I think was the same it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► was $99 for Prime members but people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► on your you're on the web you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► infinite space you can show as short or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► long a video as you want you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► limited to 30 seconds and people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► being deliberate about their choice why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► not take advantage of that and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► show how this product might be useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► and and I think that's something they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► done pretty consistently with these and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► and I think I think it's smart I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► it's a much better way to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► you know marketing your product because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► you're marketing a different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► particular for Amazon because it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► know it's it's on there they have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► website that they can use yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► that the I'm going to get the name wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► I can't remember these right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► there's weird like the echo show and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► could look but it's like to me adopt is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► the little one well echo show is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► one with the TV set and right go look is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► the one that's like for your dressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► room right but you could call it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► it's one of those things where all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► echo look is the one that is a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4249">TS</a>]
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01:12:30 ◼ ► more about standing out poppin on social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4350">TS</a>]
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01:12:35 ◼ ► important and I think playing into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4355">TS</a>]
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01:12:59 ◼ ► clothes that's when you and I were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4379">TS</a>]
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01:13:12 ◼ ► have to buy all your clothes at the mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4392">TS</a>]
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01:13:38 ◼ ► like traditional brands that dominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► sort of malls and you know they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4421">TS</a>]
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01:13:55 ◼ ► about having something unique and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4435">TS</a>]
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01:14:13 ◼ ► ankle and grumpy and Fitch like all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► them all of them are struggling right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► and he would thought well Abercrombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► and Fitch was always a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► niche you know because they had the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► know it smells weird and it purposefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► made an unwelcoming front it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► kind of an interesting retail strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► where they they kind of made the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► of their stores sort of hard to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► like I said I'm a big wide opening they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► would just have a door and it was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► of you know like they wanted you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► it's totally contrary to most retailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► but it was sort of like they only wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► the right people to come in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► young people who were shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► Abercrombie Coll clothes but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4494">TS</a>]
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01:15:00 ◼ ► something that they would consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► wearing too weird that they're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4502">TS</a>]
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01:15:21 ◼ ► new shirts do you go out and buy shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► in a retail store and you buy everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4522">TS</a>]
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01:15:30 ◼ ► go and just buy a ton of stuff actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4530">TS</a>]
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01:15:38 ◼ ► always go there and see my brother and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4538">TS</a>]
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01:17:14 ◼ ► and having to pack stuff up and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4634">TS</a>]
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01:17:31 ◼ ► and socks and stuff like that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► think I've bought anything like that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► a retail store in ten years I mean why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► would you you know it's crazy I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► like you feel like you need some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► underwear boom just like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► items and it's at your house the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► Apparel thing all is very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► because they're they've not announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► any numbers about it but there's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► hints that that it's actually doing much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► better than you think and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► growing really rapidly I suspect a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► of it you know is probably things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► you just said you know basics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► whatnot but they're making for at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► minimum there for sure making massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► investments in it like just huge not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► just the Amazon book although I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► that is interesting in that regard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► they have all kinds of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► projects going on they've watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► multiple brands uh you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► know that because they're brands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► they sort of categories own they own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► Zappos yeah but this is this is all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► Amazon itself like I think it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► not the Zappos thing was I think at they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► bought them because they were doing well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► in their own e-commerce sites and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► they want to bet they wanted to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► them out I mean they just closed down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► they're on the verge of closing down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► what's the other when they bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► diapers diapers calm yeah same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► they you know I think in the long run I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► would I'd be surprised if Zappos remains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► ongoing concern but I mean people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► it people go there so maybe they'll keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► those they'll keep it around but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► long run for sure is is all Amazon maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► they want because in this is the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► thing oh this is the top of which talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► about I'm writable this yet but um the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► Amazon Prime video be on Apple TV oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► yeah well that's here I'm making a note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► we'll talk about that a minute yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► because I think Amazon is really trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► to own every aspect of your they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► want to be the facilitator of basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► everything in your life particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► everything in the home and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► makes the whole echo line so brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► for Amazon it's I mean the opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► the reason the opportunity is there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► because the home is the one place you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► don't necessarily have your phone with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► you right if you're out and about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► always have your phone with you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► you're at phone if you're at home it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► plugged in and charging and whereas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► the other thing is if you aren't about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► it's getting perhaps more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► socially acceptable but still a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► weird where it's at home to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► shout at Chartres and echo is is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► fine but there's nothing like it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► house you can do what you want but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► it fits with the sort of long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► Amazon model of basically being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► infrastructure for your for your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► it's how the things your home get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► is how you resupply it's how you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► everything and so that's the focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► clothes and echo and all sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► fits into that and having a uh having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► another brand that's not Amazon I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► doesn't fit into that in the long run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► especially with prime because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► to be it's all Amazon it's all prime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► so I I will see how long that poses for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► this world but it's I doubt it'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► focus of their sort of apparel efforts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► oh I think that is doing well I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► maybe it's just continues to run as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► sort of independent you know I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► could easily be it well maybe not maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► they make you sign in with Amazon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► don't know but I thought I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► say that I think you can shop at Zappos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► and not even know that they're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► subsidiary but yeah right and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► that that's fine fram's I mean as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► as it's not someone else as long as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► own it here's the thing that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► surprise me but it's it it it still I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► still found it striking was how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► the reaction to the Amazon are the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► look the one that's a camera for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► getting dressed was a sort of knee-jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► you think I'm putting a camera connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► to the cloud in my dressing room you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► um like a sort of knee-jerk I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► putting a computerised camera that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► know uploads pictures to the web I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► you know that you don't trust it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► whatever and I understand it and it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► know it certainly is it's a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► concern that you'd want it to be private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► and you want it to come from a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► that you trust and you know it common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► sense that you'd think you know at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► think twice before you bought it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► but I think it's almost silly to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► the point that you don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► we're going to have cameras all over our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► houses soon like it's clearly that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► where it's the only way to go yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► other thing too is I mean is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► camera really much worse than the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► itself I mean the the entire category is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► very but that's how we've acted that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► couple years ago they just dies down it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► and I'm not saying that we should yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► think you know I think anybody who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► me at all through the show or Darren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► fireball would would guess that I'm it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► not like I rush headlong into new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► without thinking about them you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► conservative a lot of it you know and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► don't but you know I find out what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► like it and I stick with it so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► drawn to new and shiny all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► but I feel like everybody's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► - in some ways it's good that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► lot of people who are whose first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► concerns privacy as opposed to thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► about the cool things you could do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► something like this but I'm reminded of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► something like that but way back you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► know around the the millennium when like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► Mac apps into Indy Mac apps first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► started adding features where they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► phone home and just say like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► couldn't even upgrade it would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► sparkle the technologies where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► hit a button and have you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► using version 3.1 version 3.2 is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► would you like to upgrade you just hit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► button and it downloads and upgrades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► quits and relaunches and there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► you're running the new one but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► were apps that would just just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► dialogue up and say hey there's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► version do you want to go to the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► and download it and people freaked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► fuck out because they were like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► hell you'd you know and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► sniffing the network traffic and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► know and and it's not like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► revealing anything but the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► app was phoning home with anything even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► just check the version was too much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► people and there were people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► be like I'm you know and a minute I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► deleting this app I'm switching to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► competitor because there's no way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► where mine is going to phone home to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► developer server even if it's just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► check the Virgin and I I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► make fun of it too bad but I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► you know there is there an app that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► use today that doesn't doesn't notify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► you when there's a new version and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► feel like yeah we're going that way with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► microphones and cameras we are with us I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► think there's there's two sort of points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► to make one is your broader point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► this is the most important point is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► is sort of inevitable like we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► down this direction and the fact of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► matter is that most people just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► care and and this applies to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► online privacy it applies to and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► the big problem with with you know sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► of fighting for for privacy when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► comes technology products is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► unfortunately people don't care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► maybe at some point there will be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► scandal that's so bad that is so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► that it will actually become something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► that people care about but to date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► there's no evidence that that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► happen people value convenience they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► just they just do and and related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► that though that it actually is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► concerning like the whole echo thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► like I have I have echoes over my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► but the actual like it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► I mean amazon says that that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► that they're secure and all this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► stuff but there's no really recourse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► people if they were used badly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► really is just kind of trusting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► massive corporation is going to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► right thing and uh and yeah obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► people can and will track their network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► and make sure that it's only sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► when you know when Alexis triggered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► whatever might be and but then once it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► on the servers you don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► what's happening to it it really is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► massive massive problem unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► it's a problem that absent some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► like popular will it's hard to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► anything being done about it right once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► you once your yo dingus you know turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► out turn out the lights in the kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► command goes there you have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► and how long and lasts and what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► with it it's a bit as a black box so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► not discounting the privacy concerns but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► I think and it's just like it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► small example but just like how apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► that can run a version check and notify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► you of a new version it is a trade-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► of privacy where you know there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► information of yours that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► the developer and they can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► maybe you know a lot of times send other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► things too like what model McIntosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► you're on and how much RAM you have or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► something like that you're are trading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► some privacy by allowing the software to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► do it but in return you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► something of such convenience it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► much that the days when you used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► to manually you know like follow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► know there's to be a website like Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► update where you'd like part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► morning was go to Mac updating and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► was the other one version version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► tracker you'd go to version tracker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► just see if any of the software I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► has a new version out and if so go go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► and update it yeah I mean that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► actually part of my like daily routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► it seems like madness at this point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► convenience of these AI assistants the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► in were just just touching our toes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► it like I don't know I the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► about it and I know I've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► about it a lot more on the show like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► I were to go to a company like Apple or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► Microsoft or something or n8 or Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► like what what would I want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► working on I mean until now it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► unquestionably what I would want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► working on is you visual user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► stuff for the GUI I think if I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► there now I think the AI stuff would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► what I would want to work on because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► feel like there's so much potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► there wasn't it's interesting about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► echo and with the echo show is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► it's in some respects it was good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► Amazon to watch with just the speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► because it sort of it was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► original Mac launching without arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► keys so you like you had to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► mouse and like the foundation of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► being a voice interface was is baked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► very very deeply and so now the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► comes out and it has a screen but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► not a touch screen it's still all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► voice-controlled but it's a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► came out originally we say why there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► screen it's not touchscreen this is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► weird in people like wouldn't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► how to interact with it now it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► wow it's so much so convenient is it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► it's an echo with a screen like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► whole framing in the way you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► different because they it was a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► sort of limited product to start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► with I did not realize it was not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► touchscreen I find that shocking it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► not a touchscreen I know wow that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► shocking to me I find that crazy I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► that's a huge mistake I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► all sorts of things that you'd want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5338">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► do that you'd want to be able to touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► to confirm or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► wait ah yeah no that's I'm totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► it is a touchscreen oh I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► thought maybe someone at Amazon had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► stroke or something yeah I know I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► that's funny I don't know I knew it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► touchscreen and I guess I got stuck in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► my head that was not a touchscreen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► the the the point I was been meaning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► make talk about it ordered altitude no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► way man we're living on the point I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► to make though is the the primary means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► of interacting with it is is voice I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► it been a touchscreen to start out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► as I'm trying to say it would have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► would have been much more limited than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► it is because every developers all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► skills would have all been biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► towards touch now they're all biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► towards voice you can add on touch yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► that was weird I just completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► hallucinate for like five minutes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► I just wrote about it yesterday I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► about of being a touchscreen I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► think I do see your point that I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► your point though that it is it is voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► first and it matters what's first you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► know that the Mac being Mouse first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► influenced the design that the GUI in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► way that if you could have treated it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► keyboard first it that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► software would have been written because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► that's how all the other software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► all the other platforms was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► now is you could use an original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► Macintosh like if you had two of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► original Macintosh side by side and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► of them only had the mouse hooked up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► the other one only had the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► hooked up you could get more done on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► one that had the mouse hooked up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► there might have been things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► couldn't even do on the keyboard one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► yeah you couldn't even get to the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► bar the only thing you could do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► menu bar was have the keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► right and I mean in the long run day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► they brought them back and it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► it's better to have all you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► arrow he's there and right and whatnot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► but but as far as like getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► paradigm watch and and you know if had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► it been a touchscreen to start it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► have you know it that's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► like it it was just a phone but worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► because it's locked in went one spot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► the to really drive home that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► voice interface yeah I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► better off starting there but that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► the other thing though with the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► is I think this this calling thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► mentioned do talk board with the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► and stuff like that but I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► really is value to being able to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► initiate a conversation and probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► most interesting thing here in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► Amazon totally sort of ripped off one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► their one of their companies like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► they have a venture fund for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► companies that enamel acts have built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► there's company that built a voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► communication device that has the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► built in and it's basically Amazon just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► completely Sherlock them it which is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► enough when its software and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► probably far more painful when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► hardware but once you have trusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► people you can drop in which basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► means you can initiate a call without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► there having to go through it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► actually answer it or do whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► you just be like sort of instant sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► thing now if that sounds terrible a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► situations but for me I'm in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► a separate office from down the street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► from from the house to be able just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► turn on bail to literally drop in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► someone if I was working from home to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► have some be able to you know come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► the stop the door stick their head in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► it's the same sort of idea obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► you're not gonna use it all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► the possibility I think is is compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► and interesting and fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► different from FaceTime fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► different from having to get your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► and pull it out for the kids to call you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► know grandma like something like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► really is more convenient than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► I forget what it was in the context on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► one of these things where I was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► know but just how crude all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► things whether whatever your favorite is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► you know the Alexa platform or Siri or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► Google or whatever it's so early days on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► them that will we will look back and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► know this is like to the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► personal computer like what the Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► was in 1981 you know its we're just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► the tip of the iceberg but that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► see where we're going and I wrote that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► know really what I want is I want like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► c-3po but I thought about a couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► later I realized I was totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► that that's too much because the that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► a having the actual like robot who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► walk around is an entirely different set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► of problems for these AI assistants what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► I want is how from 2001 and I I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► that and I feel like every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► bring up how everybody just goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► immediately to yeah but he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► killed a bunch of astronauts and tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► to kill the other you know tried to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► the last one too and had to be how'd it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► be put right on alright put aside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► hahaha and he but he did kill people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► a very logical reason you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► don't want to spoil the movie but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► you know and about it if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► watched doesn't what do you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► doesn't one but if you just if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► about the stuff that how does in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► movie and how the astronauts interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► with them it's exactly where we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► it is exactly the it is it it could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► everybody is racing towards how where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► it's not just a voice in a speaker where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► you can ask how you know what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► the square root of 256 or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► that and get an answer it's that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► the home automation integration where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► you can say things like tell your dingus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► to you know close all the blinds if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► have blinds that are hooked up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► smart house or something like that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► change the color of your lights or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► something like that like that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► ran the spaceship is they would tell how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► to you know open the pod bay doors or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► something like that like that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► where we're going with all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► and it's you know and you watch and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► of the things that you know if Kubrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► got so well in that movie is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► you know from the perspective of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► somebody watching it in 1968 it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► whiz-bang futuristic stuff like wow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► can tell how to open the door and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► door opens but the astronauts acted like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► it was the most normal thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► world because they were used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► anyway I think everybody needs to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► how and realize that that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► where we're going any other thing too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► about how was that and it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► been so easy from 1968 perspective to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► imagine how as a big refrigerator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► computing device that's located in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► the bridge of the spaceship and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► think of that you know because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► everywhere right they were just little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► little red cameras all around the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► he was a system that was running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► throughout the whole ship right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► that's exactly the model of like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► in the Amazon tivity where you you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► could sprinkle these dots throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► your house so that you know if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► upstairs or downstairs you can access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► the exact same system the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► other I completely agree I think it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► great example of of the what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► everyone is going for the other point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► would make I was just think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► in terms of FaceTime is Google launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► a FaceTime competitor I came or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► um wowing or was it a low no hellos the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► chat app we have weirdly they launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► two apps separately the Google duo yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► I mean it's a problem the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► that is it's a separate app you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► go download it etc and it's work beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► you know why FaceTime is built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► now obviously the advantage is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► through I could go across platform then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► you're competing against Skype those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► which which has similar capability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► it's just it's just a hard is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► Google's problem is always sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► go-to-market how they actually get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► products and technology into people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► hands and you know obviously Android is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► one way to do that but then you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► the other cross people on iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5817">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► download its anyhow it's hard my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► impression of Google from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► and a load a load duo thing is a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► example of it is that they're their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► company culture is so resistant to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► you know like in and of itself there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► nothing on product like about a lo or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► duo but there's clearly no overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► strategy connecting the two or otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► they wouldn't exist as separate products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► but there's nobody I don't feel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► anybody in position of authority to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► of crack that whip and and guide it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► you know it's just a thousand individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► cats wandering around Mountain View [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► doing whatever the hell they want yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► I don't know it is it is it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► certainly does not seem ideal but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► difference here with the with Alexa and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► this voice calling is because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► show device like there is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► reason to download the app and to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► because there is capability that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► it's it's not just a ripoff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► actually doing something new and unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► that is worth going to the trouble of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► downloading the app for and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► actually I would argue much more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► threat in the long run to FaceTime than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► Google or Skype whatever even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► those have the advantage of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► cross-platform but also has this third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► dimension that makes you want to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► use it hmm yeah I can sort of see that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► wonder how many people use a low I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► really hear about it anymore seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► one of those things that you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► example using it well I mean this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► it's created for Google's benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► because they need a chat app right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► like there's there's no market need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► it like there are plenty of chat apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► and this is the and you can't they added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► some features like you can't just tack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► on some features like you have to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► have to create a fund like the echo show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► creates a fundamentally new use case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► video calling because it's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► omnipresent object in a civil occasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► like you know in a place where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► actually makes sense yes it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► landline and blah blah blah but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► you can't when you're wondering on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► house and your phone with you to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► just shout out call whoever and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► call other echoes you can it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► can call from echo to phone like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► it's a fundamentally new use case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► whereas these Google products had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► new features but the actual use case was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► well served by plenty of other apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► were there early and it's even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► difficult because it's a network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► products and the single most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► feature the single most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► feature of any chat app is do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► friends and family use it like nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► else matters beyond that yep because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► it's it's like the old argument about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► you know who bought the first fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► machine right who the hell are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► getting faxes from you just bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► first one but all of a sudden if one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► across town buys the second one all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► sudden you've got something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► valuable I mean it has more value than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► it did when you each was the only fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► machine on the on the phone network and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► this is what one thing was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► interesting was when the whole messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► app like revolution would not it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► very brief was like two or three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► and what happened was it was really one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► sort of country by country and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► countries which basically settle on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► service and that was it and it was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► like the fight was the it was done there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► was no more there's no more of a fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► to be had and you had companies like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► Chad and line spending all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► money trying to break into other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► countries but once you're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► established absent absent some massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► leap in functionality like the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► why messaging you know was such a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► deal is that in nearly every country the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► world except for the US you have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► for SMS and I think this is why they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► still this is why the US thing is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► fragmented and is much further much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► behind as opposed to like message it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► penetration I mean and why I message is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► probably the strongest the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► network because it's piggyback on SMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► but it's different it was different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► almost every other country in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► we're not having to pay is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► powerful way to drive adoption right uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► but once that was done once everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► already using a chat app that lets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► chat for free to get them to switch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► not just switch one person because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► have to switch everyone simultaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► at the same time is basically these all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► be difficult alright the lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► foresight that the carrier's had by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► trying to milk the SMS revenue at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► everybody free at the very least they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► they're attached to the phone right then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► a right number and we've got we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► like a at least got a sticky platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► like in the way that I message has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► very very good Apple even though they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► never once charged a send one of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► yeah right yes yeah I mean it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► apples but III probably - uh Natasha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► before for sure I've complained about of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► exponents but people often ask like or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► get emails whenever I write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► messaging messaging apps and people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► you know Oh Apple why is an iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► in the stock price well you know we ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► cent is worth X amount Facebook's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► X amount Facebook Apple stock should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► higher because they have this this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► iMessage is absolutely accounted for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► it's accounted for in the phone like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► is a reason why Apple can maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► charge such high margins on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► can maintain its share can be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► dominant in iMessage is it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► reason but it is a significant reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► why people on iPhones continue to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► iPhones and so it's super valuable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► it's just embedded in the iPhone yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► do think it might be discounted in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► ways but it's different than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► independent messaging platforms like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► yeah but if you broke it out if I messes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► was actually available on Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► and why is that's all that matters yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► maybe the iMessage category or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► division would be worth a lot but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► iPhone I think the cost that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► borne by the iPhone would actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► right alright anyway when there was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► rumor last year that Apple was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► ship uh I you know I message for Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► I I do believe in fact I heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► positively were mocks that were floated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► within Apple but that doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► there was ever any serious intention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► do it it's almost more like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► why wouldn't there be why wouldn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► at least you know sketch out how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► would work whether they have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► intention of doing it or not but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► seemed to me so unlikely because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► seemed to me like whatever they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► get from it they would lose in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► stickiness that my message gives to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► phone in terms of yeah any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► temptation you have if you have tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► tons of blue bubbles in your text with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► your friends and family any temptation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► you might have to switch to an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► phone when it dawns on you that you lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► all those AI messages and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► goes green it's like it maybe not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► and that's why they in that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► motivation for making AI messages more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► and more have more and more features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► and things like that I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► they've done a poor job of it but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► motivation is to differentiate it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► SMS even further so that yet to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► something else doesn't you know feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► yeah I mean I I you know I'm not a I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► not a big fan of I don't like using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► Android in part I'm not used to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► there's there's little things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6297">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► don't like um that that kinda off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► wall but without question the but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► still I have a pixel now I've use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► Android phones occasionally but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► messages without question the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► straight-up frustrating aspect of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► a Android phone for any period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► I don't like there's little stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► need with us a flirt or you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► student get over it you can't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► past their not being our message right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► but it's interesting to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► iMessage as a wholly owned proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► to iOS and Mac OS to a lesser degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► messaging platform that Apple owns and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► think about this and tell me if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► think this is interesting hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► but what if when Instagram was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► what if Apple had bought Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► interesting I think of I I think it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► of is like in the way that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► you know that it that the blue bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► are seen as having more status than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► green bubbles like imagine if there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► tens of millions of people sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► photos on Instagram you know and you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► only wait you couldn't even look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► unless you had an iPhone it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► interesting I mean because you're it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► valued destructive uh you know II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► according like theoretically its value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► destructive to by a sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► horizontal service and limit it to we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► platform in the context of the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► itself so like Instagram is worth what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► you know however a huge amount of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► vastly more than Facebook paid for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► they paid 1 million dollars I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► what I pay 1 billion but I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► wouldn't be surprised if they tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► sell it now I would I mean I would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► like 50 billion I don't know I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► all yes it's worth so much that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► almost you know you you have to it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► who whatever somebody would be willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► to pay for it it's kind of like a value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► on it and and they'd be pay they be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► willing to pay a lot but so it would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► be worth that it by itself but to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► Android came out and which was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► three days before Facebook bought it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► Instagram had in sort of like popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► culture even with only having however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► many users it had it was it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► thing it was very much a thing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► being on iOS and yeah I would it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► be a thing I think that's sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► longer-run question like would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► able to maintain that or would a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► cross-platform service really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► whether I mean snapchat would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► be much better shape today if if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► had done that uh being a something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► that's more broadly accessible and um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► it's a really missing it's a religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► point I Oh clearly Facebook would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► been would have if Apple had bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► Instagram Facebook would have done their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► best given we see what they do with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► snapchat they would have tried seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6477">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► different ways to copy Instagram you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► know whether it was with a their own new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► app or whether putting it in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► regular Facebook feed you know just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► they've copied snapchats stories gimmick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► like seven different ways so maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► would have been Facebook somehow would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► have done it but I still think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► something interesting there and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► necessarily like Instagram itself as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► Apple subsidiary wouldn't be worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► anywhere near what Instagram is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► today it's a Facebook subsidiary with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► all the so many more users but it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► but with the iPhone be worth that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► buy the iPhone might be worth more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► because people would be terrified of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► getting a different phone because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► wouldn't be able to share their stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► Instagram anymore and they've got 4,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► followers or whatever on Instagram and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► the only way they can keep that going is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► if they keep buying iPhones yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► can't help but think that that was I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► never heard this from anybody so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► just complete speculation on my part no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► not single birdy has ever said anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► conspicuous I thought it right at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► time that Instagram for Android shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► coincident with their acquisition from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► Facebook like it was only after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► Facebook acquisition was made official I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► forget if like all the eyes were dotted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► ya know it was like the same week yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► you know I cannot help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► Apple might have at least been at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► table and you know the fact you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► would be a lot easier to never have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► an Android version than to sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► Apple right exactly exactly Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► version and I think the only part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► that was even interesting to Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► that it was iOS exclusive yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► famously without without question yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► Instagram as it is today is not labeled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► available Apple and you're in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► right that you're not any cutting at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► right that's the funny thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► Instagram is more valuable today but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► wouldn't be more valuable to Apple it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► was only valuable to Apple as an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► exclusive and it emphasizes their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► product marketing that that camera is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► better on the iPhone uh that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► it kind of fit in yeah you know mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► Instagram account right after that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► Android version the more you mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► yeah I think they probably should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► Instagram would not be worth what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► today as a part of Apple and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► possible to your point another network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► will come along against and supplant it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► worth more than 1 billion dollars of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► value to the iPhone franchise without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► question I bet you don't have to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► that many marginal iPhones to to make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► a billion dollars I mean my end yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► it's it's a really interesting point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► even now today I may forget what year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► that was when that happened but even now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► today it's it plays even more into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► camera emphasis of Apple's iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► product marketing yeah absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► yep I agree I agree is amiss I need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► real the real shame is any script sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► at all I mean the I feel like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► would be so much healthier if I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► Instagram is really the purchase that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► cemented Facebook's dominance yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► because it's its Instagram that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► it's different enough from Facebook in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► way that it really the market need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► market niche that it's filling is uh is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► is really it was really a big a big hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► for Facebook and it'd be nice was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► independent company it's yeah yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► it's it a terrific complement to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► Facebook and it's a better Twitter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► Twitter in some ways or at least a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► Twitter it's a Twitter that knows and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► love Twitter I do love Twitter and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► Instagram is of course completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► pointless and useless for something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► news like as we speak today 24 hours ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► we just found out that the Trump fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► the head of the FBI it was a I'm sure I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► don't know if what you did if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► up maybe you were sleeping at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► but as soon as you found out about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► bet you went to Twitter right right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► mean you know politics over there side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6717">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► when I found out that Trump fired head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► of the FBI is investigating his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► campaigns ties to Russia I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► Twitter to see you know what were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► news articles that were coming out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► were people who I was opinion I value on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► such subjects Instagram has nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► do with something like that you don't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► to Instagram for breaking news but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► problem that twitter has that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► that's that's part of history badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► right right and that's part why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► you know it it but it's Twitter like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► that it's the same basic model that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► you it's very simple it's it's brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► it seems so obvious but nobody did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► before Twitter which is you have a feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► of the things you post and you pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6760">TS</a>]
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