The Incomparable

352: Hold My Space Beer


00:00:01   the Intolerable number 352 May 2017 [TS]

00:00:10   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12   incomparable very special episode we're [TS]

00:00:14   going to break from our tradition of not [TS]

00:00:17   talking about new release films to talk [TS]

00:00:19   about a new release film that's right [TS]

00:00:21   guardians of the galaxy vol 2 we're [TS]

00:00:24   gonna talk about it I've seen at one [TS]

00:00:26   time I didn't take notes because I was [TS]

00:00:28   watching a movie in the movie theater [TS]

00:00:29   but we're still gonna talk about it with [TS]

00:00:32   these fine people helene Wecker is back [TS]

00:00:35   hello hi it wasn't Zardoz no it was not [TS]

00:00:40   sorry office that was the last thing we [TS]

00:00:43   inflicted on you so you know it wasn't [TS]

00:00:45   Zardoz kelly camonte is also here hi [TS]

00:00:47   Kelly [TS]

00:00:47   hi I'm really excited to be here and get [TS]

00:00:50   to talk about this yay David J Laura's [TS]

00:00:53   here as he is contractually obligated to [TS]

00:00:55   be I think hi David hi so trash Panda is [TS]

00:01:00   that bad is that good I'm just cuz you [TS]

00:01:03   know I get that it's bad and and chips [TS]

00:01:08   uttereth is here chip saw the movie [TS]

00:01:10   twice because he is a professional hi [TS]

00:01:12   chip chains keep us together Jason mmm I [TS]

00:01:15   thought you saw it three times once [TS]

00:01:18   twice three times but I saw the ending [TS]

00:01:20   of the movie once Wow well you did you [TS]

00:01:22   did your work you did your research I [TS]

00:01:24   think that's the important thing does it [TS]

00:01:26   you did your research so uh guardians [TS]

00:01:29   the galaxy vol 2 hot on the heels of [TS]

00:01:32   guardians of the galaxy the original [TS]

00:01:35   volume 1 now retcon that um it was uh [TS]

00:01:40   you know guardians the galaxy the [TS]

00:01:42   original was one of the things about it [TS]

00:01:45   that I think appealed to a lot of people [TS]

00:01:46   is that it was a very different feeling [TS]

00:01:48   movie than what one might expect from a [TS]

00:01:51   Marvel Comics blockbuster and right I [TS]

00:01:56   mean it was like it didn't it didn't do [TS]

00:01:58   much tying in it had the wacky [TS]

00:02:00   soundtrack it was more kind of a fun [TS]

00:02:02   funny adventure and I feel like volume 2 [TS]

00:02:06   was very much informed by that like [TS]

00:02:09   let's lean into that let's do sort of [TS]

00:02:11   everything we did the last time [TS]

00:02:13   but a little bit more and a little bit [TS]

00:02:14   further the sound about right that would [TS]

00:02:16   everybody get that sense it's guardians [TS]

00:02:18   of the galaxy in volume let's not make [TS]

00:02:22   it ardian harder that's how they save [TS]

00:02:24   money [TS]

00:02:24   now volume going up in volume yeah the [TS]

00:02:27   Marvel movies up to that point they had [TS]

00:02:28   their light moments uh but guardians the [TS]

00:02:30   galaxy the original was just fun just [TS]

00:02:34   big fun I know some people who didn't [TS]

00:02:38   just embrace it wholeheartedly the way I [TS]

00:02:40   did it was it was like my favorite [TS]

00:02:43   Marvel movie and just magical and fun [TS]

00:02:46   and Star Wars II and stuff and I really [TS]

00:02:50   do think that they saw the things that [TS]

00:02:53   worked about guardians of the galaxy and [TS]

00:02:55   leaned in hard for this one oh yeah and [TS]

00:02:58   I mean I'm I'm right there with you know [TS]

00:03:01   shocked it's my favorite Marvel movie [TS]

00:03:03   because it's just fun and you know I saw [TS]

00:03:09   a lot of reviews of this one before I [TS]

00:03:11   saw it that we're like oh well you know [TS]

00:03:14   it does what the first one did and the [TS]

00:03:15   first one was surprising and this one [TS]

00:03:17   was fine but you know you can't you [TS]

00:03:19   can't do surprise twice so they did [TS]

00:03:22   whatever and and so they were a little [TS]

00:03:24   grumpy they were a little you know muted [TS]

00:03:27   and I came out of this one all you know [TS]

00:03:30   me and the boys saw it together we loved [TS]

00:03:32   it we all three of us liked it better [TS]

00:03:35   than the first one and and the thing [TS]

00:03:38   about both of them that I think the [TS]

00:03:40   reason we love them more than most of [TS]

00:03:43   the Marvel movies to carry on a running [TS]

00:03:46   joke is also location location location [TS]

00:03:48   it's very far away from anything else [TS]

00:03:50   yeah that's totally true one of the [TS]

00:03:52   things I enjoyed about it when I watched [TS]

00:03:55   it was to me it didn't feel like the [TS]

00:03:58   same movie again it just right like they [TS]

00:04:01   knew the moments that worked in the [TS]

00:04:03   first one and sort of like the mix that [TS]

00:04:07   they needed in order for the chemistry [TS]

00:04:09   to happen and so then that's what they [TS]

00:04:12   that's the parts that they sort of made [TS]

00:04:14   like they didn't shoot the same movie a [TS]

00:04:15   second time and like that was sort of [TS]

00:04:17   the impression I got from reading some [TS]

00:04:19   of those same reviews was that people [TS]

00:04:21   were like not into it and I'm like you [TS]

00:04:24   know not everybody goes to a Marvel [TS]

00:04:26   movie for Kenneth Branagh like some [TS]

00:04:28   people go to a movie for something like [TS]

00:04:30   this [TS]

00:04:31   I said not everybody they may not be [TS]

00:04:34   everybody well he only direct Thor so [TS]

00:04:36   after that he got involved but yeah [TS]

00:04:38   but like I I get very much it very much [TS]

00:04:41   feels to me like some of those people's [TS]

00:04:42   expectations weren't managed it feels [TS]

00:04:45   like these are the same people who [TS]

00:04:46   wanted so much more out of say the [TS]

00:04:49   Charlie's Angels movie than they got and [TS]

00:04:51   all I can say to those people is you [TS]

00:04:53   know what it's based on like manage [TS]

00:04:57   those expectations you have to go in to [TS]

00:05:00   me this felt like the first sort of [TS]

00:05:02   summer movie I guess with the air quotes [TS]

00:05:04   that you can totally see on a podcast [TS]

00:05:06   um that I've seen in a long time [TS]

00:05:09   primarily because it was late and fun [TS]

00:05:12   and like there was there were touching [TS]

00:05:15   moments there were some things that that [TS]

00:05:17   totally made me extra happy that I'm [TS]

00:05:18   sure we'll get into later but for the [TS]

00:05:20   most part I just I went in and I had [TS]

00:05:23   popcorn out of a baby group popcorn come [TS]

00:05:26   here and had a great time and when I [TS]

00:05:28   came out I felt better than I had when I [TS]

00:05:30   went in and you know I had been [TS]

00:05:33   completely entertained for those couple [TS]

00:05:35   of hours and it seemed like it was fun [TS]

00:05:38   and so it was I really enjoyed it it [TS]

00:05:41   looked beautiful it sounded beautiful [TS]

00:05:44   the actors all did an amazing job of [TS]

00:05:48   their performances and you know like [TS]

00:05:51   none of the CG stuff was super [TS]

00:05:52   noticeable to me which was one of my [TS]

00:05:54   hang-ups with rogue one so I was into it [TS]

00:05:57   I was there I was like totally with it [TS]

00:05:59   the whole time and had a blast [TS]

00:06:00   I'll be the the person who is more in [TS]

00:06:05   tune with the the critics blasphemer I'm [TS]

00:06:09   sorry sorry um I felt like this movie [TS]

00:06:14   just was much more aware of itself than [TS]

00:06:18   the first one the first one was such a [TS]

00:06:21   startling sort of Revelation and the it [TS]

00:06:27   to me that I went in and I was like I [TS]

00:06:29   didn't expect that in the least and this [TS]

00:06:32   one and I know that that's part of you [TS]

00:06:34   know the first movie and then you know [TS]

00:06:35   sequel itís the the it's it's part of [TS]

00:06:37   what you have to sort of deal with but [TS]

00:06:40   even sort of taking that into account [TS]

00:06:42   it was it wore itself much more heavily [TS]

00:06:47   than the first one if that makes sense [TS]

00:06:48   it will you could see the MA [TS]

00:06:51   tools and the sinews and the strings [TS]

00:06:53   moving in a way that I felt like I [TS]

00:06:57   couldn't with the first and maybe that [TS]

00:06:59   part of that was that the cast of [TS]

00:07:01   characters was a little larger and you [TS]

00:07:03   had to deal with more people sort of [TS]

00:07:05   running around and and being separated [TS]

00:07:07   from each other and not not to say that [TS]

00:07:11   I didn't like it because I really did [TS]

00:07:12   like it but I didn't leave with a song [TS]

00:07:16   in my heart that I did with the first [TS]

00:07:17   one and of course that's impossible [TS]

00:07:19   sometimes to duplicate so so even though [TS]

00:07:22   I I don't want to be the debbie downer [TS]

00:07:25   but I was like this one was a good movie [TS]

00:07:27   but I didn't have the oh my god I want [TS]

00:07:30   to go buy a ticket and see that again [TS]

00:07:32   way the reaction that I did with the [TS]

00:07:34   first one yeah I it's funny I think I'm [TS]

00:07:38   more with Helene here but although my [TS]

00:07:40   experience with the first movie I liked [TS]

00:07:42   it in the theater and every time I've [TS]

00:07:45   seen it since then I've actually liked [TS]

00:07:47   it more so I don't know how I'm gonna [TS]

00:07:50   feel about this one because I felt I [TS]

00:07:52   also liked it I appreciated it I did not [TS]

00:07:55   come out thinking it was the most [TS]

00:07:57   amazing movie ever but it may grow on me [TS]

00:08:00   I do agree I think one of the problems [TS]

00:08:02   with with replicating the success of [TS]

00:08:05   that movie is that it the original is [TS]

00:08:07   that it was a surprise and now we're you [TS]

00:08:09   know it was a surprise departure from [TS]

00:08:11   the tone of a Marvel movie and of course [TS]

00:08:13   with the cosmic setting it it was a [TS]

00:08:16   surprise and the surprise was part of [TS]

00:08:17   the fun and this movie is not a surprise [TS]

00:08:19   this movie is what it said on the tin it [TS]

00:08:23   is repair it's not it can't replicate [TS]

00:08:25   the surprise but it can replicate the [TS]

00:08:27   feelings and that's what it tries to do [TS]

00:08:29   and I think it does a pretty good job [TS]

00:08:31   although there are aspects you know [TS]

00:08:33   James Gunn who wrote and directed this [TS]

00:08:35   movie you know he has his ideas about [TS]

00:08:37   what a guardians of the galaxy movie [TS]

00:08:39   should be and you always have to ask [TS]

00:08:41   like is his idea of what a successful [TS]

00:08:44   guardians of the galaxy movie the same [TS]

00:08:46   as mine or yours or any other viewers [TS]

00:08:49   and the one thing that I'm trying to [TS]

00:08:51   figure out what struck me weird about [TS]

00:08:53   this movie and I think one of them is [TS]

00:08:55   that the original felt a little bit more [TS]

00:08:57   like a travelogue of this weird space [TS]

00:09:00   world and if you think about it what [TS]

00:09:03   happens very early on is [TS]

00:09:05   movie is that Peter and Gomorrah and [TS]

00:09:08   Drax go meet ego and go to his planet [TS]

00:09:13   and they don't leave until the end of [TS]

00:09:17   the movie so they don't you know it's [TS]

00:09:19   not not much of a travelogue the other [TS]

00:09:21   characters go to like one other location [TS]

00:09:23   but basically that part of it is not [TS]

00:09:26   part of what this movie is this movie is [TS]

00:09:28   really about the characters and this [TS]

00:09:31   very specific set of interactions and [TS]

00:09:34   decend discoveries right like self [TS]

00:09:36   discoveries and and secrets that are [TS]

00:09:38   uncovered and again I enjoyed it a lot [TS]

00:09:41   and it might end up really growing on me [TS]

00:09:44   in multiple viewings like the last one [TS]

00:09:46   did but it did feel a little bit [TS]

00:09:48   different like instead of having a pinch [TS]

00:09:50   of all of those different things it had [TS]

00:09:52   like a cup of all of those different [TS]

00:09:54   ingredients and it's that's good [TS]

00:09:57   on one level but it's not the same and [TS]

00:09:59   it's hard to replicate that experience [TS]

00:10:01   and and the thing that did bother me [TS]

00:10:03   about this one is that the the section [TS]

00:10:07   of the movie with with Peter and [TS]

00:10:09   Gomorrah and Drax with Eko a lot of that [TS]

00:10:14   is a lot of waiting and it's very [TS]

00:10:16   passive and it's oh here's this [TS]

00:10:18   wonderful place and you're kind of [TS]

00:10:20   waiting for the shoe to drop but they're [TS]

00:10:23   not really doing anything I felt like [TS]

00:10:25   they were gonna go somewhere else that [TS]

00:10:27   was actually a thing that I had in the [TS]

00:10:29   middle of the movie where it sags and I [TS]

00:10:30   guess again I don't want to be that [TS]

00:10:32   person who's like no I have no I have no [TS]

00:10:35   patience I just want more explosions I [TS]

00:10:37   don't want to be that person right at [TS]

00:10:39   the same time in the middle of this [TS]

00:10:40   movie I was like at that moment where I [TS]

00:10:42   was like oh you know they're not going [TS]

00:10:44   to go anywhere else like I kept waiting [TS]

00:10:46   for there to be a revelation and then [TS]

00:10:48   they have to go somewhere and all that [TS]

00:10:49   it's like nope they're not this is the [TS]

00:10:51   movie they're just gonna be on this [TS]

00:10:52   planet the whole rest of the movie so [TS]

00:10:55   when I first when I first saw the movie [TS]

00:10:57   my the first attempt I made to see the [TS]

00:10:59   movie 2/3 the way into the movie a minor [TS]

00:11:04   emergency happens and I have to leave [TS]

00:11:06   the film so right when Peter Quill's [TS]

00:11:09   eyes go all starfield nieces who can see [TS]

00:11:12   eternity that's when I had the lead [TS]

00:11:16   oh it's lying just because so so nothing [TS]

00:11:19   happened after that it's funny [TS]

00:11:21   exactly he just played catch with his [TS]

00:11:24   dad and everybody had a good time I went [TS]

00:11:26   on a pantheism Cat Stevens as I was [TS]

00:11:29   outside the theater stewing and [TS]

00:11:32   complaining and grumping I'm also [TS]

00:11:35   replaying the movie in my head and it [TS]

00:11:37   felt like a series of episodes of the [TS]

00:11:41   guardians of the galaxy TV series yeah [TS]

00:11:44   is a soap opera and it and I didn't feel [TS]

00:11:48   super Salafists that is better that is [TS]

00:11:50   exactly what I have here in my notes [TS]

00:11:52   this felt to me like the second season [TS]

00:11:54   of the guardians of the galaxy TV series [TS]

00:11:56   compressed into movie life that it was [TS]

00:11:58   it had those beats to it and maybe this [TS]

00:12:01   is like a result of TV becoming more [TS]

00:12:04   cinematic and and and how some of the [TS]

00:12:06   you know what the difference now being [TS]

00:12:09   mainly just length but it was like you [TS]

00:12:11   could almost see where okay this is the [TS]

00:12:12   first episode this is the second episode [TS]

00:12:14   this is where this part is going to come [TS]

00:12:16   back and now we've got the lull this is [TS]

00:12:18   the mid-season low where everyone sort [TS]

00:12:19   of sits around and waits for other [TS]

00:12:20   things can happen off screen and then [TS]

00:12:22   you know it and maybe maybe part of that [TS]

00:12:26   is because of the Marvel Cinematic [TS]

00:12:28   Universe process where it's like you [TS]

00:12:32   know these characters are going to get [TS]

00:12:34   used again and again and again so you [TS]

00:12:37   can't have too much happen to them you [TS]

00:12:39   can't make too many drastic changes that [TS]

00:12:43   all you've got are like these sort of [TS]

00:12:44   character beats and these small changes [TS]

00:12:46   but I really did and I felt like that [TS]

00:12:50   was part of the reason why by the end of [TS]

00:12:53   the movie I felt pretty much the same as [TS]

00:12:56   I had at the beginning of the movie [TS]

00:12:58   about these characters was that we had [TS]

00:13:01   gone through a thing and now we're back [TS]

00:13:03   again and everyone's had a hug and a cry [TS]

00:13:07   and now you know season break and then [TS]

00:13:09   we're going to go on you know next year [TS]

00:13:11   to something else hmm I see when in that [TS]

00:13:14   big SAG in the middle when mantas is [TS]

00:13:17   about to tell Drax there's something [TS]

00:13:19   weird going on and then they don't [TS]

00:13:22   follow through on it then it's like you [TS]

00:13:24   know 25 minutes later oh there's that [TS]

00:13:26   thing she was going to tell you [TS]

00:13:28   it's like no no no no you don't don't [TS]

00:13:31   wait oh so it was like something almost [TS]

00:13:35   happens and that but you know for all [TS]

00:13:38   that I and I think what worked for us [TS]

00:13:41   was the characters it wasn't so much the [TS]

00:13:43   plot although I you know I liked I think [TS]

00:13:45   I liked the plot of this one better than [TS]

00:13:48   the first one I don't know that I liked [TS]

00:13:50   the execution of the plot better but I [TS]

00:13:53   thought it was a little more interesting [TS]

00:13:54   but it was the the characters developed [TS]

00:13:57   a little bit more I think from this one [TS]

00:13:59   than in the first one in the first one [TS]

00:14:01   it's like here's a raccoon he's a [TS]

00:14:03   wisecracking raccoon here's a tree you [TS]

00:14:05   know it and this one allows them all to [TS]

00:14:08   sort of do slightly different things [TS]

00:14:10   yeah the first one's a travelogue the [TS]

00:14:12   set right the second was a character [TS]

00:14:14   study it did great with with with such a [TS]

00:14:17   lean in on the family theme that and and [TS]

00:14:21   this is this is this movie is all about [TS]

00:14:23   family and it gets super sentimental [TS]

00:14:26   about that in the end and it's either [TS]

00:14:29   going to hit you or it's not depending [TS]

00:14:31   on depending on your appetite for [TS]

00:14:35   character driven stuff and fruit [TS]

00:14:37   sentimentality I suppose well and I'm a [TS]

00:14:39   sentimental person I totally am I have [TS]

00:14:42   to put that out there and also this [TS]

00:14:44   worked for me because one of the points [TS]

00:14:47   that it tries to drive home you know is [TS]

00:14:48   that family a you know the definition of [TS]

00:14:53   family is up to you whoever you are [TS]

00:14:55   your family is yeah is is partly up to [TS]

00:14:59   you there's chosen family and then [TS]

00:15:02   there's like the people you are related [TS]

00:15:03   to and sometimes the ones you consider [TS]

00:15:06   your family and keep close and really [TS]

00:15:08   care about you know aren't necessarily [TS]

00:15:10   people who are genetically related to [TS]

00:15:12   you and I'm an adopted kid and I have [TS]

00:15:16   divorced parents who remarried other [TS]

00:15:18   people so my definition of family has [TS]

00:15:21   always been flexible so anytime anybody [TS]

00:15:22   else sort of gets into that realm and [TS]

00:15:25   sort of normalizes that and makes it [TS]

00:15:27   okay that I have this other definition [TS]

00:15:31   of these people in my life who I care [TS]

00:15:32   about and love and and they are my [TS]

00:15:34   family and you know a blood test isn't [TS]

00:15:37   going to tell you that I'm always really [TS]

00:15:39   pleased to see that in a movie and I'm [TS]

00:15:41   also a complete [TS]

00:15:42   marshmallow so anytime I get something [TS]

00:15:44   sentimental like that as a bonus like [TS]

00:15:47   the whole thing with with yondu made me [TS]

00:15:49   so happy yeah it's it's also fair I'd [TS]

00:15:52   say I think it's fair play if somebody [TS]

00:15:54   comes out of this movie going what the [TS]

00:15:56   heck was that all about [TS]

00:15:57   I would recommend that they look at the [TS]

00:15:59   first scene of the original movie I mean [TS]

00:16:01   it is about yep [TS]

00:16:03   Peter's mom dying and him getting that [TS]

00:16:05   mean the cassette tape and with the old [TS]

00:16:06   music that's not just there I mean it is [TS]

00:16:08   there to set the tone for the movie if [TS]

00:16:10   you want to take the outside the I guess [TS]

00:16:12   that's the dualist perspective my god I [TS]

00:16:14   can't believe I'm go in here but right [TS]

00:16:16   but from the internal logic he watt Sony [TS]

00:16:18   in the internal logic perspective of the [TS]

00:16:20   movie I mean what that is about is about [TS]

00:16:22   Peter and his mom and that she's picked [TS]

00:16:24   this music that she loves from the 70s [TS]

00:16:25   even though he's a kid in the 80s and [TS]

00:16:27   and that's what that's what that's all [TS]

00:16:29   about from the first scene where she [TS]

00:16:30   dies and he runs away with the stuff and [TS]

00:16:32   then is kidnapped by yondu and then it [TS]

00:16:35   all get you know it's this movie is kind [TS]

00:16:37   of paying off Peter story but totally [TS]

00:16:39   fair play like this this movie is not [TS]

00:16:42   diverging from like the themes of the [TS]

00:16:45   previous movie in any way I think it's [TS]

00:16:47   completely fair in doing that I just and [TS]

00:16:49   I love that part of it I like the aspect [TS]

00:16:51   I feel like I'm something else we can [TS]

00:16:53   throw in here I feel like the [TS]

00:16:55   relationship between Gamora [TS]

00:16:57   and nebula is more interesting than in [TS]

00:17:00   the last movie yes and you know much [TS]

00:17:02   right and the sisters and they don't get [TS]

00:17:04   along because their data stano's what [TS]

00:17:06   you're going to do but I felt like there [TS]

00:17:09   could have been even more there that I [TS]

00:17:10   was a little disappointed that there [TS]

00:17:12   wasn't more but I was happy that it was [TS]

00:17:13   more than the last movie and that adds [TS]

00:17:15   to the the piling on of the family stuff [TS]

00:17:17   I have to admit though the thing that [TS]

00:17:19   maybe struck me wrong and it also [TS]

00:17:21   explains the SAG in the middle of the [TS]

00:17:23   movie is like Kurt Russell shows up and [TS]

00:17:26   he's Peter's great god dad and they play [TS]

00:17:29   ball they play catch and stuff like that [TS]

00:17:31   and he has a planet that is paradise and [TS]

00:17:33   he takes them back there and you know I [TS]

00:17:36   don't know I kind of expected something [TS]

00:17:39   like I expected that movie to play with [TS]

00:17:42   me a little bit right because it's so [TS]

00:17:44   clear from the beginning that where this [TS]

00:17:46   story is going which is not going to be [TS]

00:17:48   all yeah right he's not gonna be all he [TS]

00:17:50   seems and there's gonna be something bad [TS]

00:17:52   and it's gonna have to be resolved but [TS]

00:17:53   it turns out that he's not the guy that [TS]

00:17:55   Peter thinks he is [TS]

00:17:56   all of that right like going in first [TS]

00:17:58   scene you're like alright I know where [TS]

00:17:59   this is going and unfortunately that's [TS]

00:18:01   all it did that is exactly where I wait [TS]

00:18:04   that's it what they do is instead of [TS]

00:18:06   play with it or string it along in an [TS]

00:18:10   interesting way they just cut away to [TS]

00:18:12   rocket and yondu right which is way more [TS]

00:18:16   interesting I think that was maybe at [TS]

00:18:19   the heart of it one of my main the main [TS]

00:18:23   reasons I was sort of a little [TS]

00:18:25   disappointed coming out of the movie was [TS]

00:18:26   that Peter quill was such the heart and [TS]

00:18:29   soul of the first movie and I you know [TS]

00:18:34   there's so many arrested man children in [TS]

00:18:38   in cinema in modern cinema and if you [TS]

00:18:40   want to take like the ultimate arrested [TS]

00:18:42   man child and give him the best reason [TS]

00:18:45   possible for being that arrested man [TS]

00:18:47   child it is Peter quill it is that [TS]

00:18:49   literally he was stolen from Earth on [TS]

00:18:52   the night of his mother's death when he [TS]

00:18:54   was a kid and in so many ways he is [TS]

00:18:57   still back there at the hospital bedside [TS]

00:19:00   with his mom and that just informed the [TS]

00:19:05   entire first movie it was the reason why [TS]

00:19:07   he risked his life to go back and get [TS]

00:19:09   the Walkman and all of those sort of [TS]

00:19:11   character beats that I felt like this [TS]

00:19:15   movie sort of sold him short he spends a [TS]

00:19:18   lot of time standing around looking at [TS]

00:19:21   Kurt Russell's giant dioramas of himself [TS]

00:19:24   and you know sort of getting faded [TS]

00:19:28   information Ramage oh very look sort of [TS]

00:19:32   plastic extruded looking things of [TS]

00:19:35   himself yeah it was very 3d printed but [TS]

00:19:37   it got weird yes it like I really hope [TS]

00:19:41   he has like that Kurt Russell ego has [TS]

00:19:44   like the giant Hall of dioramas of [TS]

00:19:47   himself there all the time and it's not [TS]

00:19:49   just for when his son comes to visit it [TS]

00:19:50   it's like if you just sort of wanders [TS]

00:19:52   through them looking at them every once [TS]

00:19:53   in a while going yep I did that was a [TS]

00:19:55   good one there's a separate hole that's [TS]

00:19:56   just Kurt Russell films it's awesome I [TS]

00:19:58   imagine there's like a Mount Rushmore [TS]

00:19:59   that's just a bunch of ego heads and [TS]

00:20:02   then there's a Hall of oil paintings [TS]

00:20:03   that's all just paintings of ego and the [TS]

00:20:05   like that's just the whole planet is [TS]

00:20:07   just entirely two millennia it's a giant [TS]

00:20:10   doll museum it's Mount Russell more and [TS]

00:20:14   it would have been funny funnier to have [TS]

00:20:18   it right I mean a like you could play [TS]

00:20:19   you could play into it and haven't blown [TS]

00:20:22   ago geez and then have Peter realized [TS]

00:20:24   well no he's more nuanced than that and [TS]

00:20:25   then find out no he's really not that [TS]

00:20:27   but they don't do that either he's just [TS]

00:20:29   like ego is I would say and I wasn't [TS]

00:20:32   solving a mystery here ego is exactly [TS]

00:20:34   what I expect him to be in the grand [TS]

00:20:36   sense of being a disappointing dad and [TS]

00:20:38   so and you're right [TS]

00:20:40   Helene its sidelines Peter quill for a [TS]

00:20:44   large portion the movie he is defanged [TS]

00:20:46   and not interesting and not doing [TS]

00:20:49   anything he's just sort of standing [TS]

00:20:50   around saying whoa a lot yeah not only [TS]

00:20:53   is he passive because of Kurt Russell [TS]

00:20:55   he's passive because of Gamora you made [TS]

00:20:58   me come here you made me listen to him [TS]

00:21:00   now you want me to leave there's no [TS]

00:21:03   there's no real choice on his part it's [TS]

00:21:06   very odd and I get the argument that [TS]

00:21:09   maybe Peter quill is the emotional [TS]

00:21:10   center of guardians of the galaxy but [TS]

00:21:12   he's not as outsized a personality as [TS]

00:21:15   some of the other characters and so [TS]

00:21:18   maybe that's James Gunn's decision like [TS]

00:21:19   I'm going to give Peter this this [TS]

00:21:22   emotional arc and outside of it I'm [TS]

00:21:25   going to have some shenanigans with [TS]

00:21:27   these other other characters that are [TS]

00:21:29   going to be the more action and more [TS]

00:21:32   kind of zany jokey material I get that [TS]

00:21:35   it's just but I you know I think Peters [TS]

00:21:37   more than just the emotional Center [TS]

00:21:38   right I mean he's also a funny character [TS]

00:21:40   Chris Pratt is a very talented actor and [TS]

00:21:42   and so that's because I mean to take a [TS]

00:21:44   step away from Peter and ego for a [TS]

00:21:47   minute like we do have there's there is [TS]

00:21:50   so much great so we get baby Groot for [TS]

00:21:52   this entire movie until the end credits [TS]

00:21:54   uh and he made the movie uh and boy you [TS]

00:21:58   know I I feel like that was the moment [TS]

00:22:00   where somebody had a funny idea to put [TS]

00:22:01   baby Groot in the credits to show write [TS]

00:22:03   that show the group didn't die or at [TS]

00:22:05   least the part of Groot survived and is [TS]

00:22:07   now going to be baby Groot and dances in [TS]

00:22:09   the credits of the first movie right and [TS]

00:22:10   then you come to this movie like what [TS]

00:22:12   are we gonna do with Groot it's like [TS]

00:22:12   we're gonna just do baby group baby [TS]

00:22:14   Groot was so great can we can we sustain [TS]

00:22:17   that for a whole movie the answers yeah [TS]

00:22:18   yeah you can yeah it's a it's amazing [TS]

00:22:21   it's a one hell of a calculated move [TS]

00:22:23   but yes you can but it totally works and [TS]

00:22:26   then at the very end we see grumpy [TS]

00:22:27   teenage Groot but and that brings me to [TS]

00:22:30   not only before we go into the other [TS]

00:22:31   characters like baby Groot baby Groot is [TS]

00:22:33   really great throughout but that opening [TS]

00:22:36   sequence is one of the I want to say [TS]

00:22:39   it's the best opening sequence in a [TS]

00:22:40   movie I've seen since Watchmen in that [TS]

00:22:43   the way the the confidence the way that [TS]

00:22:46   it's shot where it is just being Groot [TS]

00:22:48   and we basically stay on baby Groot and [TS]

00:22:50   as an entire huge sci-fi battle happens [TS]

00:22:55   behind him out of focus and off screen [TS]

00:22:58   and with sound effects and I love the [TS]

00:23:01   it's so great and so clever yeah to do [TS]

00:23:06   it that way and it's not like you can't [TS]

00:23:08   see it it's not like they were saving [TS]

00:23:10   money like it's still very expressive to [TS]

00:23:12   render space octopus monsters but what [TS]

00:23:18   what a choice to do it and I mean the [TS]

00:23:19   movie kind of won my heart right there [TS]

00:23:21   that we have baby the adventures of baby [TS]

00:23:23   group who just wants to dance you say [TS]

00:23:25   the opening scene of the first one is [TS]

00:23:27   kind of the the mission statement of the [TS]

00:23:29   whole thing this scene is kind of the [TS]

00:23:32   mission statement of this it's saying [TS]

00:23:33   you know here's all this action this is [TS]

00:23:36   all still here you're not going to miss [TS]

00:23:37   anything but we're focusing on the [TS]

00:23:39   character we're focusing on yeah that's [TS]

00:23:42   this it is that explicit as now yeah [TS]

00:23:44   and it's a hell of a dance remember the [TS]

00:23:46   third the third time I saw it it was in [TS]

00:23:48   3d and the the 3d actually really really [TS]

00:23:52   really pops enjoys chip I want to know [TS]

00:23:55   why you had to see this three times you [TS]

00:23:57   told us about the first one what [TS]

00:23:58   happened a second time second time was [TS]

00:24:01   actually sitting through the whole thing [TS]

00:24:02   because dammit I wanted to see how it [TS]

00:24:04   ended and then the third time was hey [TS]

00:24:06   I'm going to be on the incomparable ah [TS]

00:24:07   okay but he had to leave to get back for [TS]

00:24:10   the podcast right although this time [TS]

00:24:15   Rockets handing yondu the spacesuit in [TS]

00:24:18   the jet pack and I'm like I know what's [TS]

00:24:20   coming [TS]

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00:25:54   the incomparable so baby Groot like [TS]

00:25:57   total total triumph right I mean it's [TS]

00:25:59   like how do you replace Groot such a [TS]

00:26:00   wonderful character can you can this [TS]

00:26:02   baby Groot version do it and you know [TS]

00:26:04   he's unreliable even more unreliable [TS]

00:26:06   than Groot Groot was already let's let's [TS]

00:26:08   not whitewash it Groot was not reliable [TS]

00:26:10   but baby Groot is really not reliable [TS]

00:26:12   the who note that but leaks the whole [TS]

00:26:15   extend and immediately I need you to [TS]

00:26:17   steal this thing I need you to steal [TS]

00:26:19   this thing from my bedside stand right [TS]

00:26:21   it's just I it's in there I need you to [TS]

00:26:24   get it and I really did enjoy that just [TS]

00:26:27   went on about 20 seconds too long but I [TS]

00:26:30   was willing to give it to it because it [TS]

00:26:32   was baby group being baby Groot he's [TS]

00:26:34   just so awesome I like the escalation [TS]

00:26:36   where first he's bringing stuff back and [TS]

00:26:39   then and then after they do that for a [TS]

00:26:41   little while then they show him a little [TS]

00:26:43   bit and then you're like oh geez what's [TS]

00:26:45   going to happen now but it's just yeah [TS]

00:26:46   it's in greeting Lee increasingly [TS]

00:26:47   ludicrous [TS]

00:26:48   so that was yeah baby Groot what a it's [TS]

00:26:50   a good [TS]

00:26:50   decision great is that funny ho yeah oh [TS]

00:26:54   my god is expression on the show forget [TS]

00:27:00   it you talk about Michael Rooker just [TS]

00:27:02   for a minute yeah let's do it [TS]

00:27:03   oh yeah don't do spectacular I liked him [TS]

00:27:06   in the first movie a lot and I like that [TS]

00:27:07   he was back and then they gave him so [TS]

00:27:09   much more to do in this movie which is [TS]

00:27:11   which is good because again [TS]

00:27:13   this is all you should see the movie [TS]

00:27:15   we're gonna spoil everything here but he [TS]

00:27:17   dies at the end and it's sad but he was [TS]

00:27:19   so great in the whole movie that I was [TS]

00:27:21   happy that we got that much of Michael I [TS]

00:27:24   mean I like Michael Rooker and [TS]

00:27:25   everything I loved him in the in the [TS]

00:27:26   walking dead back when I was watching [TS]

00:27:28   The Walking Dead and as yondu in the [TS]

00:27:29   first movie and he is really great in [TS]

00:27:32   this that kinda steals Days of Thunder [TS]

00:27:34   it's a good Brad so far I've liked him [TS]

00:27:37   because he's like your villain that [TS]

00:27:38   turns out not to be the villain and he [TS]

00:27:39   plays it really well that he's and we [TS]

00:27:42   get the revelation that he was really [TS]

00:27:43   saving Peter by not but not delivering [TS]

00:27:47   him to his dad which is which is that [TS]

00:27:49   you know that's such a beautiful turn he [TS]

00:27:51   wasn't a spell after all that was the [TS]

00:27:53   line at the end of mostly I was [TS]

00:27:56   interested because I didn't really [TS]

00:27:57   remember yondu from the books and so I [TS]

00:28:00   was curious where they were gonna go [TS]

00:28:02   with it what it was going to look like [TS]

00:28:04   and I really liked that he got those [TS]

00:28:07   super emotional scenes and I really [TS]

00:28:10   thought it was like I was fascinated as [TS]

00:28:12   soon as he ended up on the ship with [TS]

00:28:14   rocket you know how like what's gonna [TS]

00:28:17   happen here cuz they're both little rays [TS]

00:28:19   of sunshine this is going to be an [TS]

00:28:21   interesting trip you know and it was [TS]

00:28:24   super fun to get to listen to them and [TS]

00:28:27   one of the things that I loved about all [TS]

00:28:29   of this was that nobody was sort of [TS]

00:28:31   making their like serious heartfelt [TS]

00:28:35   declaration you know it was all stuff [TS]

00:28:37   that sort of got like flew out of [TS]

00:28:40   people's mouths before they really [TS]

00:28:42   thought about it you know like the whole [TS]

00:28:44   thing with um nebula and Gamora you know [TS]

00:28:48   was you wanted a sparring-partner and I [TS]

00:28:50   just wanted a sister you know like whoa [TS]

00:28:51   that changed their whole dynamic all at [TS]

00:28:54   once and you know his is a yondu's [TS]

00:28:58   assessment of rocket as rocket sort of [TS]

00:29:02   gets more angry like you know yo [TS]

00:29:04   no me and he's like oh yeah watch this [TS]

00:29:07   this is exactly why and watching them [TS]

00:29:10   interact myspace beer look like blurting [TS]

00:29:14   that stuff out which is like the way [TS]

00:29:16   that sort of thing happens in life and [TS]

00:29:18   so watching that go on was just super [TS]

00:29:22   gratifying to me that we got so much [TS]

00:29:24   interesting stuff out of him and then [TS]

00:29:26   when it became clear what was going to [TS]

00:29:28   happen to him I was very very sad and [TS]

00:29:30   what made me the saddest was I'm Mary [TS]

00:29:34   Poppins y'all that was yes that moment [TS]

00:29:38   that moment was gleeful and I jut like [TS]

00:29:42   that's what makes guardians the galaxy [TS]

00:29:45   for me like yondu dies at the end and [TS]

00:29:46   we're all heartbroken but before that [TS]

00:29:48   happened I'm Mary Poppins yeah it was [TS]

00:29:51   amazing and and can we just take a [TS]

00:29:53   moment for the the scene where they're [TS]

00:29:54   they're locked away and and baby Groot [TS]

00:29:57   is going off and bringing the stuff back [TS]

00:29:59   because when you think about it he's the [TS]

00:30:01   only human being in that scene anything [TS]

00:30:04   you buy it you buy it [TS]

00:30:07   he's yeah beautiful acting against [TS]

00:30:09   against the computer animation he [TS]

00:30:12   benefits so much from the reduced role [TS]

00:30:15   that Chris Pratt's given yes you know [TS]

00:30:17   he's and he steps up and carries so much [TS]

00:30:19   more of the movie in terms of you know [TS]

00:30:22   being fascinating to watch [TS]

00:30:24   I really wish they hadn't tried to [TS]

00:30:28   shoehorn in so much backstory for him so [TS]

00:30:32   quickly in the scene immediately after [TS]

00:30:36   when when they're in the brothel or [TS]

00:30:39   whatever it the whole rabbit is the [TS]

00:30:42   whole ravager this is Sylvester Stallone [TS]

00:30:44   who I'm judging you it's like okay [TS]

00:30:49   you're reintroducing us to yondu and [TS]

00:30:51   this is going to give us sort of the the [TS]

00:30:54   emotional hook of why he got kicked out [TS]

00:30:59   of the Reavers that is then going to [TS]

00:31:01   turn and be in the end of the movie but [TS]

00:31:04   you're giving it him this opposite [TS]

00:31:07   Sylvester Stallone and all I'm doing is [TS]

00:31:09   looking at this movie thinking why is [TS]

00:31:11   Sylvester Stallone one of those water [TS]

00:31:16   lines are you making [TS]

00:31:17   Wester Stallone deliver yeah yeah and [TS]

00:31:20   then and he's just standing there it's [TS]

00:31:22   like he doesn't even so let's just want [TS]

00:31:25   to seem to try to be anyone other than [TS]

00:31:26   Sylvester Stallone so it's like he's [TS]

00:31:28   this giant Rambo shaped hole in the [TS]

00:31:30   movie that is just drawing all of this [TS]

00:31:33   energy to him and I can't afterwards I [TS]

00:31:35   was like wait what was he saying to [TS]

00:31:37   yondu what was the thing with yawn doing [TS]

00:31:39   kids what was that and then I had to [TS]

00:31:41   sort of piece it back together after [TS]

00:31:42   like when they were making back [TS]

00:31:45   references to it I think it could very [TS]

00:31:47   easily have been I was you know [TS]

00:31:51   delivering these kids I figured it out [TS]

00:31:54   you were the one I saved without all of [TS]

00:31:57   the guy getting kicked out of the [TS]

00:31:59   Reavers and and you know sort of [TS]

00:32:01   reestablishing himself at the funeral [TS]

00:32:04   and all that just seemed to me to be a [TS]

00:32:06   lot of unnecessary filler that was [TS]

00:32:09   surrounding and sort of obscuring the [TS]

00:32:13   thing that I wanted to see which was [TS]

00:32:15   just more of yondu being the asshole [TS]

00:32:21   with a heart of gold that that I think [TS]

00:32:23   saw on the first one yeah well and [TS]

00:32:25   filler but yeah and you don't really get [TS]

00:32:28   it til the end of the movie setting up [TS]

00:32:30   perhaps something for the next movie [TS]

00:32:33   which that's a common problem in yeah we [TS]

00:32:38   gonna you know cuz we're watching it and [TS]

00:32:41   you know you're watching the opening [TS]

00:32:42   credits he's he's still Wester Stallone [TS]

00:32:43   pops up in the opening credits and then [TS]

00:32:45   he's in the movie for like I don't know [TS]

00:32:47   three minutes yeah any God why would he [TS]

00:32:49   get a credit for that and then at the [TS]

00:32:51   very end you're like oh because he's [TS]

00:32:53   coming bad and Ving Rhames and Michelle [TS]

00:32:56   yeah right that were it's like why I [TS]

00:32:57   don't even realize that that was [TS]

00:32:59   Michelle Yeoh until I went to DB and I [TS]

00:33:01   was I think they get mushy Leona's like [TS]

00:33:03   oh wait a minute [TS]

00:33:04   oh okay for those who don't know there [TS]

00:33:06   was originally a Marvel comic called [TS]

00:33:08   guardians of the galaxy that featured a [TS]

00:33:10   bunch of heroes from the far future and [TS]

00:33:12   then they redid guardians of the galaxy [TS]

00:33:16   with a sect a set up much more like what [TS]

00:33:18   we have in these movies that that group [TS]

00:33:21   at the end with Sylvester Stallone and [TS]

00:33:22   Ving Rhames and Michelle Yeoh and the [TS]

00:33:25   voice robot voice of Miley Cyrus those [TS]

00:33:28   are those are intended to be vo [TS]

00:33:31   regional guardians of the galaxy it take [TS]

00:33:33   an homage to the original guardians of [TS]

00:33:36   the galaxy at the end more than it is [TS]

00:33:38   anything else [TS]

00:33:38   I didn't that I don't look at him right [TS]

00:33:41   and the sovereigns and hinting at atom [TS]

00:33:44   atoms Adam warlock warlock yeah you know [TS]

00:33:48   it's like that's a lot of stuff they're [TS]

00:33:50   setting up for the the third I'm not [TS]

00:33:52   entirely sure other than the Adam [TS]

00:33:53   warlock thing I don't think they're even [TS]

00:33:54   I don't think it's even a set up [TS]

00:33:56   necessarily I think it's like it's just [TS]

00:33:58   heavy laying on the references and it [TS]

00:34:01   may be all that there is [TS]

00:34:02   so maybe okay so uh so rocket in this [TS]

00:34:06   what what I'm wondering what people feel [TS]

00:34:09   about how rocket was handled because I [TS]

00:34:11   feel like he he's a fun character I'm [TS]

00:34:14   not sure he had a lot further to go [TS]

00:34:17   emotionally and he so like you know I [TS]

00:34:21   don't think he had as much work to be [TS]

00:34:24   done on him to like deep in his [TS]

00:34:26   character as some of the other [TS]

00:34:27   characters in the movie so instead he's [TS]

00:34:29   sort of like paired with yondu and they [TS]

00:34:31   have a you know I'm just like you we're [TS]

00:34:33   not we're not that different you and I [TS]

00:34:35   kind of moments but I appreciated rocket [TS]

00:34:37   I think he's great but I'm not quite [TS]

00:34:39   sure how much development he had to have [TS]

00:34:41   here see I thought I thought he had a [TS]

00:34:43   lot of development just because you know [TS]

00:34:45   he starts at you go alright he's still [TS]

00:34:47   stealing things yeah Steven got her [TS]

00:34:49   quite it is the whole plot is his fault [TS]

00:34:52   right and and he's like you know I'm not [TS]

00:34:54   like you you're not like me come on um [TS]

00:34:57   but then also not just realizing that [TS]

00:35:00   yeah alright yondu and I are kind of [TS]

00:35:02   kind of like and oh wait a minute yonder [TS]

00:35:04   was actually kind of a good guy uh and [TS]

00:35:07   and so he sort of sees more of a [TS]

00:35:10   Redemption as Redemption more as a [TS]

00:35:13   possibility for himself even if he [TS]

00:35:15   doesn't necessarily get there at the end [TS]

00:35:17   of the movie we don't know we'll see [TS]

00:35:18   yeah I think he'll still be stealing [TS]

00:35:20   batteries in vol 3 [TS]

00:35:21   I hope so raccoons they just get a [TS]

00:35:23   little bad about it I mean you know but [TS]

00:35:26   yeah III thought I thought he actually [TS]

00:35:28   had the most interesting development [TS]

00:35:30   besides yondu I'm not sure that I saw [TS]

00:35:32   that level of development there I [TS]

00:35:34   thought that Brad Cooper did a great job [TS]

00:35:36   as usual with the voice I thought the [TS]

00:35:39   animation for rocket was phenomenal [TS]

00:35:42   especially facial there's a scene where [TS]

00:35:44   he's suddenly [TS]

00:35:45   he's like stretched out and I was just [TS]

00:35:46   like man look at that fur like it is [TS]

00:35:48   just like amazing like how yeah it's [TS]

00:35:51   amazing where he goes where he goes from [TS]

00:35:53   the beginning of the movie to the end of [TS]

00:35:54   the movie I don't see a lot of distance [TS]

00:35:58   traveled um just he gets he has a moment [TS]

00:36:03   with yondu and then it's back to smashy [TS]

00:36:06   smashy yeah well I mean Drac similarly I [TS]

00:36:09   feel like we got we learned a lot of [TS]

00:36:10   important things about Drax and his [TS]

00:36:13   sadness and his tragic backstory in the [TS]

00:36:15   first movie and in this movie I feel [TS]

00:36:17   like they're confident enough in Drax [TS]

00:36:19   and Rocket but with Drax especially like [TS]

00:36:22   Drax is really funny [TS]

00:36:23   everything Drax does is funny let's just [TS]

00:36:26   use Drax to be funny and they do drag [TS]

00:36:28   his ex Rex is amazing again I love every [TS]

00:36:32   I wanted more [TS]

00:36:33   Drax because Drax is so great and so [TS]

00:36:36   funny with his no subtext always tells [TS]

00:36:40   the truth [TS]

00:36:40   and I just I enjoy him so much so again [TS]

00:36:43   I don't need all these characters to [TS]

00:36:45   evolve I'm okay with it it was just more [TS]

00:36:48   Drax but didn't it feel like Drax was a [TS]

00:36:50   little sudden because when we first meet [TS]

00:36:52   him you know he's seen some stuff and [TS]

00:36:56   he's very sort of serious and we don't [TS]

00:37:00   get a lot of um joy and mirth I guess [TS]

00:37:04   from him and it seems like in this movie [TS]

00:37:08   like every time we see him he ends up [TS]

00:37:09   cracking himself up or something we [TS]

00:37:12   found he's found his family right his [TS]

00:37:13   old family died again it's the themes of [TS]

00:37:15   family right his this is his new family [TS]

00:37:17   and he's got a home again right but [TS]

00:37:19   there was never like a nod to that for [TS]

00:37:22   me and so I'm just like why is he [TS]

00:37:23   laughing all the time what happened and [TS]

00:37:25   then like you know they start hitting me [TS]

00:37:27   over the head with family and you know [TS]

00:37:30   like I said I'm never going to complain [TS]

00:37:31   about that but like I had to go back and [TS]

00:37:33   sort of apply that to Drax later as [TS]

00:37:35   opposed to him having said something you [TS]

00:37:38   know cuz he's a blurter as much as he [TS]

00:37:40   was laughing through the whole movie and [TS]

00:37:43   he's just sort of there to be funny he [TS]

00:37:45   also had what for me was one of the most [TS]

00:37:49   effective emotional beats of the movie [TS]

00:37:52   which was that when he was just sitting [TS]

00:37:55   on egos planet looking [TS]

00:37:57   out over like that this gorgeous Vista [TS]

00:37:59   and he was you know he mentioned that [TS]

00:38:01   that he reminded him of something he'd [TS]

00:38:03   taken his daughter to see and mantas [TS]

00:38:05   touched him and started crying and he's [TS]

00:38:09   just standing sitting there with this [TS]

00:38:10   smile on his face and it was such a [TS]

00:38:14   sophisticated moment that I was so glad [TS]

00:38:18   that the movie still trusted its [TS]

00:38:22   audience enough to know you take that in [TS]

00:38:25   and appreciate it for what it was [TS]

00:38:27   because mantis [TS]

00:38:28   after she after after she sort of breaks [TS]

00:38:31   down in tears she almost immediately [TS]

00:38:34   pulls back a little bit and she's sort [TS]

00:38:37   of sitting there with that sort of sad [TS]

00:38:39   stoic expression as well and I love what [TS]

00:38:42   that communicates but mentioning Drax [TS]

00:38:45   brings me and and mantis brings me to if [TS]

00:38:50   I have a big problem with guardians the [TS]

00:38:52   galaxy [TS]

00:38:53   both this movie and the previous one [TS]

00:38:55   it's the broadness of the humors hmm and [TS]

00:38:59   when and part of Bro humor is a certain [TS]

00:39:03   level of jocular cruelty where you know [TS]

00:39:07   your trash panda is worse that sort of [TS]

00:39:10   thing but when the humor is directed at [TS]

00:39:14   mantis it feels like bullying to me [TS]

00:39:18   because it's the movie and the [TS]

00:39:21   characters are making fun of her for [TS]

00:39:23   being naive and innocent and when that [TS]

00:39:27   kind of humor is being delivered towards [TS]

00:39:30   mantis from Drax compared to uh you just [TS]

00:39:36   need a woman who's pathetic to quill [TS]

00:39:39   they come across as very very different [TS]

00:39:42   to me and it makes me feel uncomfortable [TS]

00:39:44   fair enough yeah yeah I wasn't thrilled [TS]

00:39:46   with her character she had I liked I saw [TS]

00:39:50   a couple of critiques that were like oh [TS]

00:39:52   can we be done with empaths already and [TS]

00:39:55   I think empaths I think it's still a fun [TS]

00:39:59   concept especially for moments like the [TS]

00:40:01   one with with her and Drax where she [TS]

00:40:03   starts crying [TS]

00:40:04   but when what was missing was agency it [TS]

00:40:07   wasn't just that she could you know the [TS]

00:40:10   fact that you can [TS]

00:40:11   feel other people's emotions that in [TS]

00:40:14   itself should make her this sort of [TS]

00:40:16   helpless sort of wringing her hands all [TS]

00:40:19   the time character she just she was just [TS]

00:40:24   there I don't even know why she was [TS]

00:40:26   there in the end she was there to put he [TS]

00:40:29   go to sleep I get was it yes that was it [TS]

00:40:31   yeah no and to explain that his secret [TS]

00:40:35   when he would wouldn't be ready to [TS]

00:40:37   reveal it and and and get the plot [TS]

00:40:39   moving but yeah I agree I it sort of [TS]

00:40:40   like I felt like I wanted more from her [TS]

00:40:43   about like who she was and why she was [TS]

00:40:45   everything she's meant to be an innocent [TS]

00:40:46   and she's been raised by you know out on [TS]

00:40:48   this planet essentially on her own and I [TS]

00:40:50   I I understand that you know the Drax [TS]

00:40:54   saying that she's hideous didn't bother [TS]

00:40:57   me because it didn't bother me because [TS]

00:40:59   it's um first off she's not and it's [TS]

00:41:02   space and Drax it has very weird very [TS]

00:41:06   weird standards and I enjoyed the payoff [TS]

00:41:09   of that which is that he says no no [TS]

00:41:11   you're beautiful on the inside which I [TS]

00:41:13   again because it's being consistent [TS]

00:41:15   Drax's standards of beauty are not the [TS]

00:41:17   same as other people's and he doesn't [TS]

00:41:19   have any subtext so I was okay with it [TS]

00:41:21   especially since she's most clearly not [TS]

00:41:22   hideous [TS]

00:41:24   I thought that that was a funny a funny [TS]

00:41:26   joke at Drax's expense because he what [TS]

00:41:29   he sees is not but then again I didn't [TS]

00:41:32   have a problem with the doctor not being [TS]

00:41:34   able to tell Clara's age for the same [TS]

00:41:38   reason which is it's an alien creature [TS]

00:41:39   and where they're they're the butt of [TS]

00:41:42   the jokes because they don't understand [TS]

00:41:43   people so I was okay with those how I [TS]

00:41:45   that was how I took Drax was uh was the [TS]

00:41:49   same way it didn't feel it felt to me [TS]

00:41:51   like um he was sort of uh dipping her [TS]

00:41:57   aunt Anna in the inkwell to kind of you [TS]

00:41:59   know make that joke like I'm gonna be [TS]

00:42:00   mean to you because I actually like you [TS]

00:42:02   and I don't know how to process that um [TS]

00:42:04   so that was for my god was that a Little [TS]

00:42:07   House on the Prairie joke it totally was [TS]

00:42:09   oh wow wow wow [TS]

00:42:14   that was kinda that was how I took it [TS]

00:42:17   was like he was just trying to convince [TS]

00:42:18   her that he didn't like her you know [TS]

00:42:21   it's that same sort like you know that [TS]

00:42:23   this dynamic is still going [TS]

00:42:25   on in grade schools to this very day and [TS]

00:42:26   I and when he first said it I took him [TS]

00:42:29   at face value it didn't occur to me that [TS]

00:42:31   there was any such subterfuge there or [TS]

00:42:33   anything because I'm like maybe he [TS]

00:42:35   really doesn't like her because she's [TS]

00:42:36   like half the size and nowhere near as [TS]

00:42:41   blue as what he generally prefers you [TS]

00:42:44   know like I don't know what ladies look [TS]

00:42:46   like on Drax's planet so I I sort of [TS]

00:42:50   thought like he was just being honest [TS]

00:42:52   with her the way he was being honest [TS]

00:42:53   with Peter you need a woman who is [TS]

00:42:55   pathetic like you you know I'm okay I [TS]

00:42:58   guess he's just going to be kind of mean [TS]

00:43:00   to her as well and for me that was why [TS]

00:43:01   the payoff of that moment where they [TS]

00:43:04   were there sitting looking out at the [TS]

00:43:06   sunset or whatever was their doing um [TS]

00:43:09   after she touches him and can feel what [TS]

00:43:13   he's feeling that's why for me that had [TS]

00:43:15   some payoff because I just felt like he [TS]

00:43:18   he was letting her because he could have [TS]

00:43:19   told her no he could have moved away or [TS]

00:43:21   something and he didn't do it and so it [TS]

00:43:24   was sort of to me it just felt like [TS]

00:43:25   maybe they were starting to be friends [TS]

00:43:27   maybe he was accepting her and then he [TS]

00:43:28   did give her the pep talk [TS]

00:43:29   you know you can do this I believe in [TS]

00:43:31   you and I thought that that was also a [TS]

00:43:33   really nice moment between the two of [TS]

00:43:35   them and then the payoff towards the end [TS]

00:43:37   when he's being buried by ego and tries [TS]

00:43:41   to save her life and trying to hold her [TS]

00:43:43   up so they're up and that's great I do [TS]

00:43:46   still think that the movie is very [TS]

00:43:48   unkind to mantis I mean it's not oh yeah [TS]

00:43:51   exes behavior it's yes it's they'll give [TS]

00:43:53   you that one even in that even in the [TS]

00:43:55   even in the trailers where they made [TS]

00:43:57   even a bigger deal of her getting hit by [TS]

00:44:00   the debris at the end of the trailer and [TS]

00:44:01   that's played for laughs ya know Drax [TS]

00:44:04   this thing doesn't bother me but you're [TS]

00:44:06   right she is she's the butt of many [TS]

00:44:07   jokes and it's uh yeah it's I agree it's [TS]

00:44:10   not it's not great yeah yeah um what do [TS]

00:44:14   people think of the sovereign the gold [TS]

00:44:16   the gold people this is sort of like I [TS]

00:44:18   feel like a the next step after the the [TS]

00:44:22   xandarians in the first movie where I [TS]

00:44:24   think James Gunn likes to have really [TS]

00:44:26   kind of highfalutin persnikitty aliens [TS]

00:44:30   and in this case they're bad well you [TS]

00:44:33   you have to have Margaret Dumont if you [TS]

00:44:35   have the Marx Brothers yeah [TS]

00:44:38   I mean I love I love the sovereigns and [TS]

00:44:40   they also they play video games all of [TS]

00:44:42   their fights are viable by a video game [TS]

00:44:45   which made me laugh a lot but you know [TS]

00:44:47   they're they're perfect and they will [TS]

00:44:49   they are they are going to stop them [TS]

00:44:51   because they stole batteries and and [TS]

00:44:52   therefore they must die it's a problem [TS]

00:44:54   though if every time you hire somebody [TS]

00:44:56   to kill the last people who stole from [TS]

00:44:57   you and they all steal from you like you [TS]

00:44:59   you're never gonna get an arrest they [TS]

00:45:02   were such a device they just slid [TS]

00:45:04   straight off my brain i I just [TS]

00:45:07   faceless gold people who are like out [TS]

00:45:10   there they I found them funny but [TS]

00:45:12   they're not like they're impervious they [TS]

00:45:13   they're made to slide I think they may [TS]

00:45:15   be actually be coated in death lon [TS]

00:45:16   they're made of gold yeah well space [TS]

00:45:23   space Teflon they are designed they are [TS]

00:45:26   they are purely a plot device to create [TS]

00:45:29   a great complication and that gets [TS]

00:45:32   everybody to ego eventually um again [TS]

00:45:36   going back to my first viewing of the [TS]

00:45:38   movie and having to check out two-thirds [TS]

00:45:40   the way through I got way more sovereign [TS]

00:45:43   per capita and and that was not fun [TS]

00:45:47   because they were just they were just [TS]

00:45:49   there it was loads of fun watching the [TS]

00:45:51   arcade scenes first of all the arcade [TS]

00:45:54   gag is hysterical but second I'm sitting [TS]

00:45:57   there watching it with my teenage son [TS]

00:45:59   who is very much an online gamer and and [TS]

00:46:03   a shouter and a Yeller and a cursor [TS]

00:46:05   about it and the bit with a bit towards [TS]

00:46:09   the end where there's the one the one [TS]

00:46:11   ace pilot left who's trying to take out [TS]

00:46:14   the Milano and all of the other [TS]

00:46:17   sovereigns are crowded around him [TS]

00:46:18   encouraging him on and then he blows up [TS]

00:46:20   and they say oh you suck my my son just [TS]

00:46:23   goes yes yes that's called knowing your [TS]

00:46:30   audience yes [TS]

00:46:31   what I gotta say I mean I love at the [TS]

00:46:34   end when they show up partly because [TS]

00:46:36   that's the best use of the song wham bam [TS]

00:46:40   shang-a-lang I've heard I love it was [TS]

00:46:43   just yeah I love the music direction in [TS]

00:46:46   both of these films when they use the [TS]

00:46:49   chain with the slow-mo walk [TS]

00:46:52   yeah normally I'm like I just roll my [TS]

00:46:54   eyes in the slow-mo walk but I have such [TS]

00:46:58   a deep and um my affection for the chain [TS]

00:47:04   is is just it yeah it makes everything [TS]

00:47:10   else go away so so I was just I was just [TS]

00:47:13   there for that was like the moment I was [TS]

00:47:14   like yes yes take me with you in the [TS]

00:47:16   slow-mo walk as long as long as we're [TS]

00:47:18   talking about Fleetwood Mac and and and [TS]

00:47:20   love being the thing that will kill you [TS]

00:47:22   yes let's just do this I really liked [TS]

00:47:25   the subtext that Fleetwood Mac brought [TS]

00:47:27   to them so uh so let's talk a little bit [TS]

00:47:32   about about Gomorrah and nebula because [TS]

00:47:36   that's one of the things that I know [TS]

00:47:38   there was a lot of talk about the these [TS]

00:47:40   characters in the first film and here [TS]

00:47:43   they are largely pitted against each [TS]

00:47:45   other they kind of capture nebula and [TS]

00:47:48   then she sort of escapes but then she [TS]

00:47:50   sort of helps them and they get to they [TS]

00:47:52   get to have a little bit of an emotional [TS]

00:47:53   I mean again it's a weird relationship [TS]

00:47:56   because they're both children of Thanos [TS]

00:47:58   and that you know I've always been [TS]

00:48:01   unclear on exactly what nebulas deal is [TS]

00:48:03   she's got replacement parts and things [TS]

00:48:05   like that but we did get to see in the [TS]

00:48:07   family theme here right they they they [TS]

00:48:09   seem to reach some sort of understanding [TS]

00:48:11   of each other by the end of this movie [TS]

00:48:13   that they did not have at the beginning [TS]

00:48:14   or indeed in the last movie Karen Gillan [TS]

00:48:17   is ear is up and down as an actress in [TS]

00:48:21   Doctor Who um yes she's she's people I [TS]

00:48:26   think she's generally good but sometimes [TS]

00:48:29   she nails it and sometimes she doesn't [TS]

00:48:31   quite um but the episode of Doctor Who [TS]

00:48:34   that features her as an older pet as an [TS]

00:48:37   old-time time duplicate the girl who [TS]

00:48:41   waited um she is so fantastic in her and [TS]

00:48:45   that one and that's the Karen Gillan [TS]

00:48:47   that I saw in this movie I was so [TS]

00:48:50   impressed with what she did she has she [TS]

00:48:53   showed so much more range so much more [TS]

00:48:55   steel she's not just randomly snarly she [TS]

00:48:59   is swaggering she but she has funny [TS]

00:49:03   she's just just rolling her eyes at the [TS]

00:49:06   other people so much happening there um [TS]

00:49:10   nebula is great and karen gillan is [TS]

00:49:12   great yeah their their relationship in [TS]

00:49:15   the first movie was one of the things [TS]

00:49:17   that I was disappointed in in that [TS]

00:49:19   because it's not very there's not very [TS]

00:49:22   much development at all there's not it's [TS]

00:49:24   like here are two women pit them against [TS]

00:49:26   each other done and and you know she's [TS]

00:49:28   an indestructible killing machine okay [TS]

00:49:30   yeah this is the relationship I wanted [TS]

00:49:33   to see there I wanted to see a little [TS]

00:49:34   bit more of that set up in the first [TS]

00:49:37   film but I thought it was it was really [TS]

00:49:39   good in this just as is [TS]

00:49:41   well getting the whole like the first [TS]

00:49:43   movie had some problems I think script [TS]

00:49:45   wise where there was supposed to be [TS]

00:49:46   Thanos and then they were like no no we [TS]

00:49:48   need fan OHS for the Avengers eventually [TS]

00:49:51   and so like so umit's make it Ronin but [TS]

00:49:54   then he's not there [TS]

00:49:55   he's not their dad so they have to like [TS]

00:49:57   have this weird like well we'll move [TS]

00:49:59   some of their own and stuff here but [TS]

00:50:00   we'll also keep Thanos and they'll talk [TS]

00:50:01   about Thanos and you know I think it's I [TS]

00:50:03   think their relationship suffered [TS]

00:50:05   because of that decision in the first [TS]

00:50:07   movie yes and and you're right in in the [TS]

00:50:09   end she's just a secondary baddie [TS]

00:50:11   she's like the the the the the thugs go [TS]

00:50:15   before that sent out by the main bad [TS]

00:50:17   eight yeah right and and cut and not [TS]

00:50:21   that interesting and he or she's she's a [TS]

00:50:22   lot more interesting oh yeah yeah so [TS]

00:50:25   it's it's it's good um Gamora I would [TS]

00:50:28   say Gamora has a tough it's a tough part [TS]

00:50:32   because so with when she's wisk got to [TS]

00:50:34   be the grown-up yeah so when she's with [TS]

00:50:36   her sister at least there's this sister [TS]

00:50:38   dynamic and you can see her learning and [TS]

00:50:40   they fight and there's rocks collapsing [TS]

00:50:42   and all those things but but with quill [TS]

00:50:45   yeah she's like she's she's like the [TS]

00:50:48   questioner and trying to bring him down [TS]

00:50:50   from his high and that is a sort of a [TS]

00:50:52   thankless role in the in the movie and [TS]

00:50:56   anything like this that be the person [TS]

00:50:57   who has to be like snap out of it this [TS]

00:50:58   paradise that you're seeing can't be [TS]

00:51:00   real it's a tough that's a tough part [TS]

00:51:02   and you know it's she ends up sort of [TS]

00:51:04   coming across as the Cyclops [TS]

00:51:06   she's the hmm she said she's the one [TS]

00:51:09   who's the has to be the adult in the [TS]

00:51:10   room and she knows it at all times and [TS]

00:51:12   she's got to hurt all of these [TS]

00:51:14   ridiculous personalities and she ends up [TS]

00:51:16   feel [TS]

00:51:16   a little stiff and uninteresting I think [TS]

00:51:22   because of it and so I was glad to see [TS]

00:51:25   the stuff that she had with nebula in it [TS]

00:51:32   it gave her a little bit of something to [TS]

00:51:35   learn and you could also see her [TS]

00:51:39   reflexes like I don't care I'm just [TS]

00:51:42   going to hit my sister because that's [TS]

00:51:43   what I'm trained to do that's that's [TS]

00:51:45   just the way things have been and that [TS]

00:51:48   was that that was something she had to [TS]

00:51:50   get over but yeah the stuff with Peter [TS]

00:51:52   just seemed really undeveloped like in [TS]

00:51:56   the very beginning of the relation of [TS]

00:51:59   the month are on the screen and I was [TS]

00:52:00   like wait a minute so they're exactly [TS]

00:52:02   where they were at the end of the first [TS]

00:52:05   movie relationship-wise like I was [TS]

00:52:07   totally expecting that they had had a [TS]

00:52:11   full relationship and then broken it off [TS]

00:52:13   and that it was going to be them [TS]

00:52:16   learning like what had gone wrong and [TS]

00:52:19   why they had to sort of reconfigure and [TS]

00:52:21   get back to where they were and not like [TS]

00:52:24   oh where do we've just been in a holding [TS]

00:52:25   pattern for whatever span of time it is [TS]

00:52:29   between the first movie in the second [TS]

00:52:32   that they wouldn't have had you know had [TS]

00:52:35   a conversation since then yeah even if [TS]

00:52:38   it's odd it's still six months I mean it [TS]

00:52:41   it is sort of indicative of the whole TV [TS]

00:52:43   season style and I mean even bringing in [TS]

00:52:46   cheers and the whole will they won't [TS]

00:52:48   they [TS]

00:52:49   alright I will say he's exactly right [TS]

00:52:52   about Sam Cooke uh but again there's [TS]

00:52:56   there's that whole you know you made me [TS]

00:52:58   come here now you want me to leave and [TS]

00:52:59   they don't they don't actually really do [TS]

00:53:01   much with that there could have been so [TS]

00:53:03   much more of you know yes I did think [TS]

00:53:07   this was the right thing to do and no [TS]

00:53:08   you we have to go now because I was [TS]

00:53:10   wrong that would have been a much more [TS]

00:53:12   interesting note to play with and and [TS]

00:53:15   and to develop their relationship and [TS]

00:53:17   both of their characters too because [TS]

00:53:20   here's this mistake I've made I got us [TS]

00:53:23   into this part of the plot and we should [TS]

00:53:25   go as an accidental side-effect though [TS]

00:53:28   for the sort of the way [TS]

00:53:30   sort of undercooked I do appreciate that [TS]

00:53:32   Gomorrah doesn't spin the movie the [TS]

00:53:36   whole movie just basically falling over [TS]

00:53:39   quill yes yes she what she maintains her [TS]

00:53:43   agency and her independence and her and [TS]

00:53:48   her strength as a character throughout I [TS]

00:53:50   think in part because they they treat [TS]

00:53:54   the relationship with restraint in the [TS]

00:53:57   end it's something unspoken and I yeah I [TS]

00:54:01   would like to have seen them do more [TS]

00:54:03   with it but I also wonder if if they had [TS]

00:54:06   done more with it would I have bought it [TS]

00:54:08   as much I don't know well what was funny [TS]

00:54:10   to me about that was he made the cheers [TS]

00:54:12   reference and and I'm like no wait [TS]

00:54:15   moonlighting and I'm like wait Peter [TS]

00:54:17   wouldn't have been old enough to be [TS]

00:54:18   watching moonlighting and appreciate it [TS]

00:54:20   strictly speaking he would have been old [TS]

00:54:23   enough to watch tears I think he was [TS]

00:54:24   abducted before cheers came on missing [TS]

00:54:27   Shh okay I thought it was it would I [TS]

00:54:30   thought no that's not that's not true [TS]

00:54:32   than that cheers Cheers premiered in [TS]

00:54:34   1982 Peter quill was abducted in 1988 [TS]

00:54:37   okay I was gonna say 80 I thought was 83 [TS]

00:54:41   so 98 at least a little bit of 1988 it's [TS]

00:54:44   it's the opening night but in the first [TS]

00:54:46   movie there's a title that says 1988 I [TS]

00:54:48   thought it was 83 - nope okay sorry [TS]

00:54:51   lucky [TS]

00:54:52   no I thought that cheers was 83 not 82 [TS]

00:54:54   and I thought I knew he was abducted [TS]

00:54:55   after that so that means he never had to [TS]

00:54:58   put up with Rebecca on Cheers [TS]

00:55:00   oh oh lucky by to say I had the same [TS]

00:55:03   thought about moonlighting and which was [TS]

00:55:05   85 and I'm a little surprised that I [TS]

00:55:07   mean yeah he might have been young but I [TS]

00:55:09   and didn't understand all sorts of shows [TS]

00:55:11   that I was too young for it would have [TS]

00:55:13   been that was the obvious there but he [TS]

00:55:17   didn't yeah he didn't go to the best [TS]

00:55:19   moonlighting was the one that like my [TS]

00:55:21   parents let me watch Cheers they did not [TS]

00:55:23   let me watch moonlighting yeah I don't [TS]

00:55:24   know what it was about the it was just [TS]

00:55:27   that much more adult just like a little [TS]

00:55:29   bit more adult yes maybe yeah genre came [TS]

00:55:32   on after you were in bed that I believe [TS]

00:55:33   it was four years of sexual tension you [TS]

00:55:35   could cut within me there's there's a [TS]

00:55:37   line in guardians the galaxy where I [TS]

00:55:39   really thought they were going to go [TS]

00:55:40   there where he where I really expected [TS]

00:55:42   him to say you know what the [TS]

00:55:44   isn't Cheers it's moonlighting and [TS]

00:55:46   that's not what the law is and I was [TS]

00:55:48   like you're right there you're right [TS]

00:55:49   there just say it like this it would [TS]

00:55:51   have been it would have been great it [TS]

00:55:52   would have been amazing but uh they [TS]

00:55:55   didn't didn't they're there were enough [TS]

00:55:56   pop-culture references in this movie [TS]

00:55:58   let's uh let's be clear there were many [TS]

00:56:01   how could that kid not have Bruce Willis [TS]

00:56:03   as like his personal hero he lives up on [TS]

00:56:06   the notice cut to the chase music boys [TS]

00:56:08   like how is that not the show that he [TS]

00:56:10   would you know yeah great good point but [TS]

00:56:13   I did like the fact that you know he's [TS]

00:56:15   he makes the one pop-culture reference [TS]

00:56:17   and then he's just so mad he's [TS]

00:56:20   completely at sea and he can't think of [TS]

00:56:22   anything so it would be a show that [TS]

00:56:24   doesn't exist and it did like that he [TS]

00:56:27   found himself backed into that corner it [TS]

00:56:29   just kept kept at it anyway it was [TS]

00:56:32   pretty great I did like that so I have a [TS]

00:56:34   lot of complex headcanon about how those [TS]

00:56:36   cassette tapes are still playing and and [TS]

00:56:39   uh [TS]

00:56:40   and the muscle pencils nasal tape well I [TS]

00:56:43   think it involves like alien technology [TS]

00:56:46   is used to make duplicates of the tapes [TS]

00:56:48   or the tapes content and they're saved [TS]

00:56:50   in other forms too so that he can still [TS]

00:56:52   have the music even if the tapes die and [TS]

00:56:54   that perhaps there's some sort of new [TS]

00:56:55   power source that's been retrofitted [TS]

00:56:56   into the Walkman in order for it to play [TS]

00:56:58   it or perhaps they smuggle in some of [TS]

00:57:01   those things that come off earth in [TS]

00:57:03   various forms because of course at the [TS]

00:57:04   end of the movie he gets a Zune with 300 [TS]

00:57:07   songs on it it's what everybody's [TS]

00:57:10   listening to how must Jay Allard have [TS]

00:57:13   felt after this the punch line good [TS]

00:57:16   punch line 300 song they find like the [TS]

00:57:18   one Zune that's still around where did [TS]

00:57:21   they learn to take hours up yeah it is [TS]

00:57:24   amazing that mp3 players are now like [TS]

00:57:27   old signifiers because watching the [TS]

00:57:30   first episode of iron fist there's a [TS]

00:57:32   whole like thing that it dwells on that [TS]

00:57:34   he's got an original iPod because he's [TS]

00:57:37   been gone 15 years and I'm like wow mp3 [TS]

00:57:40   players are relics that used that are [TS]

00:57:41   used to date characters no good Lord [TS]

00:57:45   could we talk about crag Lin for a [TS]

00:57:47   second he the I had to look his name up [TS]

00:57:52   and IMDB after the end of the movies [TS]

00:57:54   Kirk from Gilmore Girls but he's also [TS]

00:57:57   the directors younger brother and he's [TS]

00:58:02   and he's um yondu's like ii guess he's [TS]

00:58:08   such a fun sweet character um [TS]

00:58:12   he seems like it was he in the first [TS]

00:58:14   movies he yes was he there okay he he he [TS]

00:58:18   seems like he's sort of there by [TS]

00:58:20   accident but he's like capable enough [TS]

00:58:23   that he can get his feet under him and [TS]

00:58:26   and make decisions and and sort of move [TS]

00:58:31   the plot along when the Moot plot needs [TS]

00:58:33   moving along and I love the it was my [TS]

00:58:37   favorite part of the credit sequences is [TS]

00:58:39   him trying to trying to power the arrow [TS]

00:58:42   and I just I would totally watch more of [TS]

00:58:48   him I don't know if I would want him to [TS]

00:58:50   like have his own movie or whatever cuz [TS]

00:58:52   I don't know if his character is rounded [TS]

00:58:54   enough for that but he he was the only [TS]

00:58:57   surprise to me in this movie I think was [TS]

00:58:59   that he was just sort of there being [TS]

00:59:02   sweet and awkward and being upset that [TS]

00:59:05   that he'd accidentally started this um [TS]

00:59:08   this mutiny you just from asking a [TS]

00:59:12   question and and that he then felt that [TS]

00:59:17   he needed to redeem himself after that I [TS]

00:59:19   felt like in some ways he had like the [TS]

00:59:21   biggest character journey of anyone in [TS]

00:59:23   well except maybe for quill but that's [TS]

00:59:26   only because like that entire character [TS]

00:59:29   journey was just shoehorned and [TS]

00:59:31   completely but the I just I just liked [TS]

00:59:35   him he was there he wasn't doing all [TS]

00:59:37   that much but what he was doing was [TS]

00:59:39   enough and it was great and I loved him [TS]

00:59:40   mm-hmm [TS]

00:59:41   I enjoyed him very much he also does [TS]

00:59:45   rock it on set ah yeah that's part of [TS]

00:59:49   part of why he's there I was going to [TS]

00:59:51   mention seeing him so we do have the [TS]

00:59:52   mutiny against yondu by the Ravagers and [TS]

00:59:55   and that's one of those things that [TS]

00:59:57   kragle and ends up regretting it and he [TS]

00:59:58   ends up sort of like getting them [TS]

00:59:58   ends up sort of like getting them [TS]

01:00:00   out of it again I do want to mention at [TS]

01:00:01   least the extended series of jokes about [TS]

01:00:05   the lead mutineer whose name is Jason [TS]

01:00:10   face and why would you have a name is [TS]

01:00:14   taser taser face and that just made me [TS]

01:00:19   laugh a lot there is a Marvel character [TS]

01:00:20   named taser face and I think James Gunn [TS]

01:00:22   just decided that he thought that would [TS]

01:00:24   be really funny the idea that somebody [TS]

01:00:25   picks a name that he thinks is super [TS]

01:00:27   intimidating and everybody laughs at it [TS]

01:00:29   because it's ridiculous because he's [TS]

01:00:31   taste based you wait wait your name is [TS]

01:00:33   taser face yeah amazing [TS]

01:00:36   I enjoyed that that was though some fun [TS]

01:00:38   you know I I I can complain about the [TS]

01:00:41   saggy middle and the fact that Kurt [TS]

01:00:42   Russell like Kurt Russell I love Kurt [TS]

01:00:44   Russell he kind of you know he does what [TS]

01:00:47   he does what's expected of him he's he's [TS]

01:00:49   chummy at the beginning and then at the [TS]

01:00:51   end he gets growly and evil and he's [TS]

01:00:54   fine but you know that part of the movie [TS]

01:00:57   didn't really work for me it was it was [TS]

01:01:00   okay but everything around it I really [TS]

01:01:03   enjoyed that's the thing is I did enjoy [TS]

01:01:05   this movie and I may enjoy it more on [TS]

01:01:07   other viewings knowing what I know now [TS]

01:01:08   about how its shaped but you know it I [TS]

01:01:13   did but like the Kurt Russell stuff was [TS]

01:01:15   just it's a good idea and I really [TS]

01:01:17   wanted to see Kurt Russell and and and [TS]

01:01:21   Chris Pratt kind of like have more to do [TS]

01:01:25   and that part is I'm a little [TS]

01:01:28   disappointed that that they didn't get [TS]

01:01:30   more to do because you're Russell's not [TS]

01:01:31   much at all he's super charismatic and I [TS]

01:01:34   was doing in a really really long movie [TS]

01:01:36   yeah I will say this this is the best [TS]

01:01:41   this now the best Kurt Russell Sylvester [TS]

01:01:43   Stallone film out there if they had [TS]

01:01:47   taken the you have godlike powers thing [TS]

01:01:50   more if they done more with it so that [TS]

01:01:52   they done anything with it I think that [TS]

01:01:55   anything with it you're right so that [TS]

01:01:56   when there's that reveal that of course [TS]

01:01:59   he's the one who put the tumor and and [TS]

01:02:01   and Meredith's brain when so that [TS]

01:02:05   there's more for for Peter quill to lose [TS]

01:02:09   if he decides at that point to you know [TS]

01:02:13   go [TS]

01:02:14   to his dad um I mean that would have [TS]

01:02:17   been what 10 15 minutes that would have [TS]

01:02:19   been so much more for him to then have [TS]

01:02:25   to say goodbye to and have a decision to [TS]

01:02:29   make instead of the automatic well I've [TS]

01:02:32   known you for 30 minutes when you're [TS]

01:02:34   biologically my dad and you tossed a [TS]

01:02:37   ball around with me but now I have to [TS]

01:02:39   kill you because you killed my mom I [TS]

01:02:41   almost wanted another step in the [TS]

01:02:43   relationship like like like that they [TS]

01:02:45   don't meet and go straight back to his [TS]

01:02:48   planet but like they meet and at [TS]

01:02:50   somewhere in space and have a [TS]

01:02:53   conversation and maybe he unlocks some [TS]

01:02:55   of this power and then Peter like uses [TS]

01:02:58   the power and discovers that this is the [TS]

01:02:59   awesome thing about about having this [TS]

01:03:02   power and he can protect his friends and [TS]

01:03:04   all of that and then he goes to his [TS]

01:03:05   dad's planet realizes there's a horrible [TS]

01:03:07   price something like that where there [TS]

01:03:09   was sort of like a midpoint in the [TS]

01:03:10   relationship and then he could maybe [TS]

01:03:12   Peter becomes kind of more convinced and [TS]

01:03:14   and so that that moment cuz the moment [TS]

01:03:17   where he says that I felt really bad [TS]

01:03:19   when I gave your mom the the brain tumor [TS]

01:03:21   is like I don't feel it's earned I feel [TS]

01:03:24   like it comes out of nowhere because at [TS]

01:03:26   the end in the movie where he has it has [TS]

01:03:27   to happen there has to be a turn you [TS]

01:03:29   know I don't I I disagree I I liked the [TS]

01:03:34   sudden turn there I did see where you're [TS]

01:03:37   coming from about it not being earned [TS]

01:03:39   but the you know he's he's he's tempted [TS]

01:03:43   he's exploring all this other stuff and [TS]

01:03:45   then the one line and that's it right I [TS]

01:03:49   just like I just wanted them to mosey up [TS]

01:03:51   to that line and I thought I felt like [TS]

01:03:53   he just drops it like boom now I'm going [TS]

01:03:55   to drop this and then the response is is [TS]

01:03:57   great right like Chris Pratt's like whoa [TS]

01:03:58   like it was fun that we played catch but [TS]

01:04:01   you know that's I'm going to kill you [TS]

01:04:03   it's over now right I just I just [TS]

01:04:06   figured that there maybe there could be [TS]

01:04:07   more there and it comes back to that [TS]

01:04:08   same thing which is my feeling like [TS]

01:04:09   something's missing like they go [TS]

01:04:11   straight to the planet and then they're [TS]

01:04:13   just on the planet and I kind of just [TS]

01:04:14   wanted some other phase in that [TS]

01:04:17   relationship other than to see his you [TS]

01:04:20   know his murals to himself that one I [TS]

01:04:24   kind of I'm right there with you I think [TS]

01:04:28   that it's it's all very much like oh [TS]

01:04:30   we've crashed on this thing and here's [TS]

01:04:32   Kurt Russell and he's going to take us [TS]

01:04:33   to his planet and that's great right and [TS]

01:04:36   there's no there's no seduction I'm [TS]

01:04:38   seduction isn't quite the right word but [TS]

01:04:40   I guess in terms of like a con game it [TS]

01:04:42   is there it's just like oh well of [TS]

01:04:45   course you're you're his dad cool let's [TS]

01:04:47   go [TS]

01:04:48   whereas if if there had been a little [TS]

01:04:49   more and maybe it would have made it a [TS]

01:04:51   little more episodic but have sort of a [TS]

01:04:52   couple of quick mini adventures where [TS]

01:04:55   you get to see he's pursuing he's he's [TS]

01:04:57   figured out that this kid who's running [TS]

01:04:59   the guardians of the galaxy that's his [TS]

01:05:00   kid and he's following him around he's [TS]

01:05:02   trying to get to know him it's like come [TS]

01:05:04   back with me there's more to you right [TS]

01:05:07   he's like no I don't think so and then [TS]

01:05:09   finally after two or three times the [TS]

01:05:11   third time that's the charm that's [TS]

01:05:13   alright alright fine let's go see what [TS]

01:05:15   this is about [TS]

01:05:16   even just flashbacks to show that would [TS]

01:05:19   show him catching up like the bonus of [TS]

01:05:21   it would be like here's some guardians [TS]

01:05:23   the galaxy aftermath you know he shows [TS]

01:05:25   up at the prison after they've [TS]

01:05:27   demolished it he shows up at nowhere and [TS]

01:05:29   sees you know we get a glimpse into what [TS]

01:05:33   the guardians have been up to and then [TS]

01:05:35   we get a glimpse of this guy who we [TS]

01:05:37   don't know who he is we don't know what [TS]

01:05:38   his deal is we just know he's chasing [TS]

01:05:39   them and then like immediately the movie [TS]

01:05:42   is set up with tension like who is this [TS]

01:05:44   guy what's his deal what does he want [TS]

01:05:46   with the guardians the galaxy why is he [TS]

01:05:47   chasing them and then he finally gets to [TS]

01:05:50   a point where their paths intersect and [TS]

01:05:53   I feel like that sort of setup would [TS]

01:05:56   have been better because then we would [TS]

01:05:57   have gotten a better reveal of Kurt [TS]

01:05:58   Russell than the one-inch man maybe we [TS]

01:06:01   really do just want the the guardians of [TS]

01:06:05   the galaxy TV series because we're all [TS]

01:06:06   talking about these things than we want [TS]

01:06:08   it like that's like an episode and a [TS]

01:06:10   half right there we just we just want [TS]

01:06:12   like the one episode in the middle that [TS]

01:06:13   just focuses on the two of them and goes [TS]

01:06:16   deeper into their relationship so that [TS]

01:06:18   then there's more to lose toward the end [TS]

01:06:20   of it and it's it's funny it's like [TS]

01:06:23   we're stuck somewhere in the middle [TS]

01:06:24   between TV and film at this point well [TS]

01:06:26   that's always been the biggest issue [TS]

01:06:28   that I have with the enjoy I love the [TS]

01:06:31   Marvel Cinematic Universe [TS]

01:06:33   I love these movies I there's only one [TS]

01:06:36   of them that I haven't ever finished and [TS]

01:06:37   that's the Incredible Hulk [TS]

01:06:39   big surprise but at the [TS]

01:06:41   and count but it's not only why not not [TS]

01:06:45   that one the other one uh but neither [TS]

01:06:48   that one either but I superhero comics [TS]

01:06:52   an issue a month twenty two pages a [TS]

01:06:55   month for years and years so much story [TS]

01:06:57   so much story superhero movies two hours [TS]

01:07:03   two or three years apart there's so much [TS]

01:07:06   that you could do with these characters [TS]

01:07:08   that you can't because yeah [TS]

01:07:10   it's a movie yeah it's like it's like [TS]

01:07:13   either either time Batman has faced the [TS]

01:07:15   Joker in a movie it's one story and the [TS]

01:07:18   Joker dies at the end and me there's [TS]

01:07:21   there's no life long nemesis thing going [TS]

01:07:23   on what fun is that it doesn't work yeah [TS]

01:07:26   it's only interesting because you've [TS]

01:07:28   brought the baggage of having read all [TS]

01:07:30   those comics for all those years and now [TS]

01:07:33   here they are in person in front of you [TS]

01:07:35   facing off that's what makes the Joker [TS]

01:07:37   awesome in both those movies is that you [TS]

01:07:39   have spent your entire life watching [TS]

01:07:41   them you know watching them I don't each [TS]

01:07:46   other is that's what they calls it on [TS]

01:07:47   your brothers right there like arching [TS]

01:07:50   and arching and arching and so and then [TS]

01:07:52   so when you finally get to see them in [TS]

01:07:53   person it's it's not the payoff of the [TS]

01:07:55   movie it's the payoff of a lifetime of [TS]

01:07:57   having DC Comics in your box right this [TS]

01:08:01   conversation makes me curious about you [TS]

01:08:03   know maybe I should check out the [TS]

01:08:04   guardians of the galaxy animated series [TS]

01:08:06   because of story story story story story [TS]

01:08:09   story story right but then I would watch [TS]

01:08:11   it and I would not be here in Chris [TS]

01:08:13   Pratt etc and I probably would not be as [TS]

01:08:17   satisfied this is my first inkling that [TS]

01:08:19   there is such a thing as the guardians [TS]

01:08:20   of the galaxy animated series [TS]

01:08:22   merchandise and Disney XD I think [TS]

01:08:25   merchandising Disney XD very important [TS]

01:08:27   to always be merchandise merchandise so [TS]

01:08:30   moisturizing I tell you the you know I'm [TS]

01:08:33   starting to think that maybe the problem [TS]

01:08:35   with this with with this movie and again [TS]

01:08:37   I did enjoy it but is that is the James [TS]

01:08:40   Gunn got he latched on to ego the Living [TS]

01:08:42   Planet which is a character from Marvel [TS]

01:08:44   Comics and maybe the right decision was [TS]

01:08:47   to have Kurt Russell be someone else [TS]

01:08:49   maybe JSON of spartax which is the Peter [TS]

01:08:52   Quill's dad in the comics maybe it's [TS]

01:08:53   some other Marvel character he takes off [TS]

01:08:55   a shell [TS]

01:08:55   something where he could have he could [TS]

01:08:59   get to know his son and his son could [TS]

01:09:00   get to know him during an adventure [TS]

01:09:02   somewhere and that they could tell this [TS]

01:09:05   same story the problem with it being ego [TS]

01:09:07   living planet is they have to go to him [TS]

01:09:09   right they have to go to him because he [TS]

01:09:11   is a planet and they have to live on his [TS]

01:09:13   little planet for a while and that just [TS]

01:09:15   that I think maybe in the end that's my [TS]

01:09:17   complaint about this movie is that it [TS]

01:09:19   feels static because they have to go to [TS]

01:09:21   this deserted planet and one of the [TS]

01:09:24   interesting things about these movies is [TS]

01:09:25   the teeming weird space stations and [TS]

01:09:30   planets and stuff they go to and would [TS]

01:09:32   it have been better if this whole plot [TS]

01:09:34   had taken place amid some adventure [TS]

01:09:36   somewhere else in the galaxy and not on [TS]

01:09:39   the really boring paradise planet I [TS]

01:09:41   don't know I mean you have you have the [TS]

01:09:43   Ravager ship you have the space brothel [TS]

01:09:45   they're both filled with craziness and [TS]

01:09:48   then you have this very peaceful empty [TS]

01:09:50   place Hawaii you know it's fine and you [TS]

01:09:53   also have to spend 15 minutes explaining [TS]

01:09:55   how he is like a consciousness who's [TS]

01:09:58   also a brain who's also a planner who's [TS]

01:09:59   also a person who also went everywhere [TS]

01:10:02   and made all these kids and it looks [TS]

01:10:03   like hurt Russell we had what looks are [TS]

01:10:05   Kurt Russell and has all the big plastic [TS]

01:10:07   dioramas and it's so much narrative and [TS]

01:10:12   an exposition just just to explain who [TS]

01:10:15   this person is that it becomes it was [TS]

01:10:19   just such a cumbersome decision might [TS]

01:10:23   have been too far yeah so I want to ask [TS]

01:10:25   you guys to fill in for me because I [TS]

01:10:28   only have the vaguest recollection since [TS]

01:10:31   we're talking about the comic book [TS]

01:10:32   version of things um who Stanley was [TS]

01:10:35   talking to oh it's the watchers what two [TS]

01:10:37   watches the Watchers more than just a [TS]

01:10:40   watcher right there like three of them [TS]

01:10:42   but that's a a care well known character [TS]

01:10:44   from Marvel Comics who is the he [TS]

01:10:46   watching lives on the moon and he [TS]

01:10:48   watches our planet and also all the like [TS]

01:10:51   alternate realities he's the narrator of [TS]

01:10:54   what if the classic Marvel comic where [TS]

01:10:56   it's like well I loved what if I loved [TS]

01:10:58   it so he is and I think that there are [TS]

01:11:00   people who made who for whom that cameo [TS]

01:11:02   was lost because well I have no idea [TS]

01:11:05   what I except it doesn't matter right if [TS]

01:11:07   if you want it's just the Stanley Kim [TS]

01:11:09   no he's talking to a bunch of aliens [TS]

01:11:11   right he's telling stories to a bunch of [TS]

01:11:12   bald aliens and it doesn't matter and if [TS]

01:11:14   you know the watchers it's extra funny [TS]

01:11:16   and it was extra funny because I was [TS]

01:11:19   like oh look the snares we got the [TS]

01:11:21   watches how are the duck reappears [TS]

01:11:22   briefly - so we get a little uh okay [TS]

01:11:24   Electric Tower and I love that it's it's [TS]

01:11:26   not just Stan Lee talking to them but [TS]

01:11:28   Stan Lee saying well in in this [TS]

01:11:29   adventure I was this guy and in this and [TS]

01:11:31   and sort of making fun of the fact that [TS]

01:11:33   he's in all the Marvel movies I was [TS]

01:11:36   actually kind of surprised to see them [TS]

01:11:38   there because I thought they'd be tied [TS]

01:11:39   up with Fox and Fantastic Four and stuff [TS]

01:11:42   but that's why they didn't name them Oh [TS]

01:11:44   interesting uh anything before we go [TS]

01:11:48   anything else that we didn't cover that [TS]

01:11:50   you think we should we should mention [TS]

01:11:52   david hasselhoff cameo check I should [TS]

01:11:54   throw that in there and that was exactly [TS]

01:11:55   the right amount of David Hasselhoff for [TS]

01:11:57   any project I was a puncher he was a [TS]

01:11:59   punch line it was perfect and then that [TS]

01:12:02   was it because he is mm-hmm if you are [TS]

01:12:05   agnostic too favorable towards 3d uh see [TS]

01:12:10   this in 3d [TS]

01:12:11   um if they do they use it well okay good [TS]

01:12:15   to know since I am NOT agnostic or [TS]

01:12:18   favorable toward 3d but it's good to [TS]

01:12:20   know I want those people who have who [TS]

01:12:22   bought the 2d glasses so if I have to go [TS]

01:12:24   to a 3d showing I can just not see the [TS]

01:12:25   3d that's yeah they make those I have [TS]

01:12:29   them that's the thing yeah that's the [TS]

01:12:31   thing you can buy 2d glasses they're [TS]

01:12:33   pulled they're both polarized the same [TS]

01:12:34   way so you put them on a 3d movie and [TS]

01:12:37   then you only see one of the one of [TS]

01:12:40   those sides yeah but it isn't blurry [TS]

01:12:42   yeah that's amazing yeah [TS]

01:12:44   2d glass pretty cool actually check them [TS]

01:12:46   out they're available on Amazon into [TS]

01:12:49   that you know I bought some y-your rebel [TS]

01:12:51   all right well you know it's a fun movie [TS]

01:12:54   and I think um one of the things I like [TS]

01:12:57   about these movies is that Marvel you [TS]

01:13:02   know Marvel movies are of a kind a lot [TS]

01:13:04   of the time and superhero movies in [TS]

01:13:06   general are of a kind there are the [TS]

01:13:08   beats that they need to hit and [TS]

01:13:10   guardians of the galaxy is different and [TS]

01:13:13   and and the stories are shaped kind of [TS]

01:13:16   differently and the tone is a little [TS]

01:13:17   different and the space stuff is part of [TS]

01:13:19   it you know is this really a superhero [TS]

01:13:21   story at all or just a science fiction [TS]

01:13:23   story I think that's part of it too but [TS]

01:13:25   I enjoy that this is as we said at the [TS]

01:13:28   very beginning right it's fun one of the [TS]

01:13:30   things that I felt going out of the [TS]

01:13:32   first movie was I hadn't had so much fun [TS]

01:13:34   in a big blockbuster movie in a long [TS]

01:13:37   time some there's something to be said [TS]

01:13:39   for a fun space adventure like that was [TS]

01:13:41   the feeling when I saw the Firefly movie [TS]

01:13:43   serenity in the theater I was like this [TS]

01:13:45   is was just fun it was like a fun [TS]

01:13:47   adventure and guardians of galaxy was [TS]

01:13:48   like that and so full credit to James [TS]

01:13:51   Gunn for putting this movie together it [TS]

01:13:53   is it is still fun and not like other [TS]

01:13:57   Marvel or movies or other superhero [TS]

01:13:59   movies and I really appreciate that [TS]

01:14:01   about it so you know it that's that's [TS]

01:14:04   even we can quibble about some of the [TS]

01:14:06   stuff in it but I'm glad that a movie [TS]

01:14:08   like this is allowed to exist inside the [TS]

01:14:10   billion dollar billions of dollars [TS]

01:14:13   machine that is Marvel's Cinematic [TS]

01:14:15   franchise right yeah yeah yeah I have [TS]

01:14:20   we're fortunate we're we're fortunate to [TS]

01:14:21   have movies like this that do not end [TS]

01:14:23   with the I guess the destruction of the [TS]

01:14:26   universe is threatened at the end of the [TS]

01:14:27   movie but it's really a right in the end [TS]

01:14:30   love conquers all that's right they [TS]

01:14:33   literally save the galaxy again to time [TS]

01:14:36   savers at the galaxy yeah they get to [TS]

01:14:39   raise their rates now they do yeah [TS]

01:14:41   just thanks one of the things that I [TS]

01:14:43   think um and I am going somewhere with [TS]

01:14:46   this [TS]

01:14:46   alright I feel like there wouldn't be a [TS]

01:14:48   Deadpool without guardians of the galaxy [TS]

01:14:49   because I feel like they did kind of the [TS]

01:14:51   they stepped a little bit out of the [TS]

01:14:53   standard-issue comic movie comic movie [TS]

01:14:56   totally and so I think that was what [TS]

01:14:58   allowed them to go yeah maybe we should [TS]

01:15:01   take this Deadpool thing seriously yeah [TS]

01:15:03   having a movie that takes these chances [TS]

01:15:05   and makes a lot of money makes everybody [TS]

01:15:07   who is worried about the future movies a [TS]

01:15:09   little more courageous right just a [TS]

01:15:11   little more courageous and a Deadpool [TS]

01:15:13   does well and then everybody's looking [TS]

01:15:16   through the intellectual property [TS]

01:15:18   binders for things that they can do is [TS]

01:15:20   r-rated superhero movies and and then [TS]

01:15:23   you know that'll probably have terrible [TS]

01:15:25   places but I agree that this is the this [TS]

01:15:28   the first movie really opened up the [TS]

01:15:30   playbook because it did so well and full [TS]

01:15:33   credit to the people who I think that [TS]

01:15:35   was literally just a tossed-off movie [TS]

01:15:37   it's their second movie of the summer if [TS]

01:15:39   it doesn't do well that's fine they [TS]

01:15:41   could afford to take a gamble which is [TS]

01:15:44   the same with ant-man which I liked a [TS]

01:15:46   lot and and is a different feeling kind [TS]

01:15:48   of Marvel movie it was the same deal it [TS]

01:15:50   was like the pressure was off the second [TS]

01:15:52   movie of the summer and the result was [TS]

01:15:53   something really good that opened the [TS]

01:15:55   door for other stuff but this gets back [TS]

01:15:57   to what helene led with when we started [TS]

01:16:00   talking about that you know guardians of [TS]

01:16:02   the galaxy one opened the door for a lot [TS]

01:16:05   of innovative stuff in other movies [TS]

01:16:08   guardians of the galaxy 2 is not that [TS]

01:16:12   innovative it is more calculated it is a [TS]

01:16:14   it is designed to continue what you got [TS]

01:16:18   out of the first movie and I'm down with [TS]

01:16:21   that and I loved this but was I [TS]

01:16:25   surprised by it or was it as was it as [TS]

01:16:28   groundbreaking compared to the first one [TS]

01:16:30   no it wasn't but but 'no here's my [TS]

01:16:32   question having having said that you [TS]

01:16:36   were surprised by guardians the galaxy [TS]

01:16:37   one that's great i loved it i was [TS]

01:16:40   surprised by it too but what surprise do [TS]

01:16:44   we need from it now we kind of want more [TS]

01:16:47   guardians right what what is it going to [TS]

01:16:49   do to suddenly be you know this was a [TS]

01:16:52   totally surprising movie you know gets [TS]

01:16:55   more like you know if we if we get into [TS]

01:16:58   season seven of Star Trek The Next [TS]

01:17:00   Generation syndrome then I think your [TS]

01:17:02   answer is that yeah they I think there's [TS]

01:17:04   only they they moved it forward by [TS]

01:17:09   focusing on the family and the [TS]

01:17:10   relationships of the characters and [TS]

01:17:12   stuff like that but then there's going [TS]

01:17:15   to be a Guardians three and then there's [TS]

01:17:16   going to be a Guardians four and then [TS]

01:17:17   there's going to be fast and furious 8 [TS]

01:17:19   and then you know if it goes but there [TS]

01:17:23   is a point of - Ingrid I guess I'll [TS]

01:17:24   absolute I guess I would say that that [TS]

01:17:26   that the second one is probably not it's [TS]

01:17:30   probably fine that it is what is and I [TS]

01:17:32   actually I would argue that that the big [TS]

01:17:34   thing that it does is not amp up the [TS]

01:17:39   even though there is a lot of explosion [TS]

01:17:42   universe saving at the end of the movie [TS]

01:17:45   I'd say it actually amps up that that [TS]

01:17:48   love conquers all feeling [TS]

01:17:51   that instead of having a wacky dance-off [TS]

01:17:53   at the end of the movie they have this [TS]

01:17:55   emotional decision that is what resolves [TS]

01:17:59   the movie and I think that was kind of a [TS]

01:18:00   bold choice [TS]

01:18:02   so it was it and it was different in its [TS]

01:18:04   own way that's I mean that's part of why [TS]

01:18:06   I really liked it yeah I mean we we did [TS]

01:18:09   with all thought about the you know they [TS]

01:18:11   spent a lot of time eulogizing yondu at [TS]

01:18:14   the end of the movie I mean yeah and and [TS]

01:18:17   I yeah I'm a sentimental guy I actually [TS]

01:18:20   did have tears streaming down I also [TS]

01:18:22   know of people who were not moved by it [TS]

01:18:25   because you know he's a secondary [TS]

01:18:27   character he's not that important and [TS]

01:18:29   story and because they're dead inside [TS]

01:18:31   you should stop hanging parently I'm [TS]

01:18:33   dead inside I I didn't I I know I know [TS]

01:18:37   I I just know the I mean it wasn't Spock [TS]

01:18:42   don't get me wrong [TS]

01:18:43   yeah the thing that now we're getting [TS]

01:18:47   back into specifics but they they [TS]

01:18:50   broadcast what he was going to do so [TS]

01:18:52   much earlier than he actually did it [TS]

01:18:55   with with with rocket giving him like [TS]

01:18:59   the the the the arrow and the end of the [TS]

01:19:03   suit you know and saying okay now the [TS]

01:19:06   lone monologue once you see it's coming [TS]

01:19:08   yeah and it was like okay and that I [TS]

01:19:11   think just goes sort of back to the [TS]

01:19:13   sentimentality stuff which is which is [TS]

01:19:14   very much about you know telling and not [TS]

01:19:18   showing and I just sort of sat there [TS]

01:19:22   like feeling like it wasn't earned and I [TS]

01:19:25   wanted it to be earned I wanted to feel [TS]

01:19:27   more for yondu in his death than that I [TS]

01:19:30   was feeling I mean the line the one and [TS]

01:19:34   what I did feel really did like we're [TS]

01:19:37   saying before come back down to [TS]

01:19:39   advocating the actor's name coop was it [TS]

01:19:41   Cooper but what's his his name who plays [TS]

01:19:45   yondu it comes Realty my Gregor Gege [TS]

01:19:48   Rooker Michael Rooker I knew was Michael [TS]

01:19:50   something his performance the way he [TS]

01:19:54   says that you know ego may band your [TS]

01:19:56   father but he wasn't your daddy which is [TS]

01:19:59   a great line but also the delivery was [TS]

01:20:03   just um [TS]

01:20:04   like as he's about to die and it's just [TS]

01:20:09   like that's that's the one thing that's [TS]

01:20:12   all he has to say and that's what and [TS]

01:20:16   that in itself is is sort of the [TS]

01:20:19   distillation of the relationship between [TS]

01:20:20   them and as like if we could have just [TS]

01:20:22   had that and not like the big send-off [TS]

01:20:25   and the the Sylvester Stallone and like [TS]

01:20:27   we're going Everly watch his body turn [TS]

01:20:30   into flakes and go out into space it's [TS]

01:20:33   that level of detail probably [TS]

01:20:35   unnecessary yeah yeah yeah no it was it [TS]

01:20:38   was that moment where he says that you [TS]

01:20:41   know he wasn't your daddy that's what [TS]

01:20:43   got me crying not the rest of it yeah [TS]

01:20:46   the rest of that was pretty good man [TS]

01:20:48   but yeah yes so it's the bestest alone [TS]

01:20:51   having a renewed respect for him at the [TS]

01:20:52   end didn't ya never knew I think there's [TS]

01:20:56   little that's belong Stallone don't make [TS]

01:20:58   me cry [TS]

01:20:59   I think the sadness for me though was [TS]

01:21:01   for Peter in that moment because when [TS]

01:21:05   you think cuz at the end of the day he [TS]

01:21:08   lost his dad and he wants his dad I'd [TS]

01:21:11   yeah and like again you know like hey I [TS]

01:21:15   finally made it out and at least I can [TS]

01:21:16   go back to the way things were ya know [TS]

01:21:18   and I think that for me was the thing [TS]

01:21:22   that made me so sad about about yondu [TS]

01:21:25   laying down his life that way and but [TS]

01:21:28   also I think a little bit of it was I'm [TS]

01:21:30   really sad that we probably won't have [TS]

01:21:32   any rocker in the next one but for the [TS]

01:21:34   most part it was just that I was I was [TS]

01:21:36   really sad for like the fallout of what [TS]

01:21:39   that what that was going to do to Peter [TS]

01:21:42   on a on a fundamental level yeah you [TS]

01:21:46   know making that you know how that was [TS]

01:21:47   going to warp him and and you know what [TS]

01:21:49   that's going to do to him later so yeah [TS]

01:21:53   to take it back to the stuff I like you [TS]

01:21:55   know like West um West world this is one [TS]

01:21:57   of his cornerstone memories you know and [TS]

01:21:58   and in Doctor Who [TS]

01:22:00   like the doctor has to travel for a [TS]

01:22:02   while by himself because he can't be [TS]

01:22:04   around anybody else and like is that [TS]

01:22:05   what's going to happen to Peter now is [TS]

01:22:06   he gonna feel like he needs to be alone [TS]

01:22:08   and you know like make things worse [TS]

01:22:11   between him and Gomorrah and him and [TS]

01:22:14   rocket and and him and Drax like the [TS]

01:22:15   rest of you know his family is he going [TS]

01:22:17   to wall himself off from that [TS]

01:22:18   he never has to feel like this again [TS]

01:22:20   what's gonna happen like yeah I think [TS]

01:22:22   about this stuff a lot stay tuned for [TS]

01:22:24   season two end up in the mental [TS]

01:22:25   institution in Legion mmm that's it Oh [TS]

01:22:29   crossover fossa again that'll pick that [TS]

01:22:35   all work leader all right with that we [TS]

01:22:39   will leave it here I hope everybody out [TS]

01:22:41   there has enjoyed our quick it's weird [TS]

01:22:44   to talk about a movie I've only seen the [TS]

01:22:45   one time but we did it we except for [TS]

01:22:47   chip who's seen it two and a half times [TS]

01:22:49   now thank you to all of my panelists [TS]

01:22:53   Helene wicker it was a pleasure as [TS]

01:22:54   always it was fantastic to be here thank [TS]

01:22:57   you Kelly come on thank you thank you so [TS]

01:23:00   much for having me it was a blast [TS]

01:23:01   David jail or thank you thank you of [TS]

01:23:03   course the these are all going to be [TS]

01:23:05   like sprinkled through the end credits [TS]

01:23:06   right that's right this is and now [TS]

01:23:08   before I say goodbye to chip amid credit [TS]

01:23:10   sequencing which scan lead thanks you [TS]

01:23:12   for listening to it no chip thank you [TS]

01:23:14   for going above and beyond to watch this [TS]

01:23:16   movie second and a half time Jason [TS]

01:23:20   you're beautiful right that's that's I [TS]

01:23:26   appreciate [TS]

01:23:27   I'll take it and crank up the week with [TS]

01:23:30   Mack I guess thanks for listening to [TS]

01:23:32   being comfortable we will see unit [TS]

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