0:00:04hello hi John
0:00:07hi Merlin has gone super good sir Lee
0:00:13oh nice just barely had time to splash
0:00:19some water on my face and eat half of a
0:00:22cold sausage hmm it's kind of Dickensian
0:00:26hmm please sir they have some more cold
0:00:31sausage hmm careful what you ask for
0:00:35with the Jew Fagin okay here's a
0:00:41question for you yes this is probably
0:00:43actually a question for Don Schaffner no
0:00:46I'm happy to speculate how long can you
0:00:52leave up like a pan of cold grease on
0:00:56the stove before the grease goes bad
0:01:00before it gets rancid
0:01:03strictly speaking as always it won't
0:01:06thinking there's two angles here one
0:01:08angle is that like you made some lamb or
0:01:12something okay well how many days is it
0:01:15before you really want to be careful
0:01:16that you don't put your spoon in there
0:01:18and accidentally lick it well I don't
0:01:20think it's I don't think it's gonna go
0:01:22bad in the sense of it was hazardous
0:01:25like you wouldn't want to like pour that
0:01:27into a coffee cup and then like you know
0:01:28drink out of it I'm not sure that
0:01:30hazardous is the is the standard I think
0:01:33it is more it's more taste whether it
0:01:35becomes because you know butter sits out
0:01:38it never did it's not gonna get where's
0:01:40my part - my part - was that like I'm
0:01:43used grease I'll reuse I'll reuse some
0:01:45grease all uh si I've recently moved to
0:01:48lard and as when I use the hell out of
0:01:50some grease yeah exactly I think that
0:01:51used to be like a tradition and we used
0:01:53to keep it I remember in the later parts
0:01:55of my youth we kept um we would pour
0:01:58bacon grease into a coffee can Moses so
0:02:01we could throw it out but I think I
0:02:02suspect that had its origins in we're
0:02:04gonna put this in here and then reuse it
0:02:05oh yeah for real
0:02:07what was so yeah they my mom always had
0:02:12didn't just throw perfectly good grease
0:02:14away my good pal Bob wood up in Alaska
0:02:20easy down the mo with the mom
0:02:22Bob had the mom she lifted a bookcase
0:02:26this may be our and drank laps on sushi
0:02:29T yep that's right that's Bob's mom got
0:02:32your cut I love MA here so good bye good
0:02:36yeah yeah
0:02:38Oh Bob wood used to keep you know he had
0:02:41a big he had like a like a 10 gauge or a
0:02:4412 gauge cast-iron pan that he left on
0:02:47the stove at all times and it always had
0:02:50an inch of grease in it serve you know
0:02:52maybe not an inch but like a blue cover
0:02:55the bottom though no no thicker than
0:02:57that yeah you know it was like a it was
0:02:59let's say between a centimeter and a
0:03:01half an inch of of bacon grease was
0:03:05always sir coagulated in this pan and
0:03:07when when he would because he you know
0:03:09all these guys up in Alaska they're all
0:03:10fishermen he would get some five pounds
0:03:15of halibut cheeks or something some guy
0:03:16would come into town and he'd be like
0:03:18hey Bob I'll trade you five pounds of
0:03:20halibut cheeks for two gold pans and a
0:03:21pickaxe and so that's why I was
0:03:26interested in the community yeah yeah
0:03:28Bob would have all this fish all of a
0:03:31sudden and so he'd throw the halibut
0:03:33cheeks in the in the bacon grease and
0:03:38cook em right he wouldn't just throw
0:03:40them in there and leave him there for
0:03:41the afternoon he heated up snot
0:03:43coronating them no he's cooking them and
0:03:47they were the bet you know that's the
0:03:49best way to cook fish of course is
0:03:51flash-fried and some hot bacon grease
0:03:52and then he would turn the the studied
0:03:55turn the the gas off and then the grease
0:03:58would just stay there he would pluck the
0:04:00fish out it's not like you ever the
0:04:02grease was just there and so I never I
0:04:06wasn't living with Bob I never said like
0:04:08how often do you turn this grease around
0:04:12but then I thought about it and a lot of
0:04:14people in Alaska had a pan of grease on
0:04:16the stove so anyway I've been adopting
0:04:19this lately and but I just I need some
0:04:23guidelines
0:04:24because I don't want to be making some
0:04:26classic mistake I don't want it to be
0:04:27one of those situations like you know
0:04:29when I used to drink heavily
0:04:31I'd go out drinking every night and some
0:04:35friend of mine would always come with me
0:04:36and I just assumed that all my friends
0:04:40drank every night when in fact they just
0:04:42really they got super fucked up one
0:04:44night a week with me oh you were there
0:04:48weekend but I was I said right I was
0:04:51there weekend but I was doing it seven
0:04:52nights a week mm-hmm you but I would um
0:04:55pray at this point I was pro and I but I
0:04:57was confused because there was always
0:04:59somebody with me and I figured everybody
0:05:00was doing it
0:05:01but now they all had jobs and I don't
0:05:04want it to be one of those situations
0:05:05where as soon as I leave they dump the
0:05:09grease out but and then I come back and
0:05:12there's a new pot of grease because they
0:05:14made bacon that morning I understand I'm
0:05:15thinking oh shit there's they're just
0:05:17leaving this grease around for for weeks
0:05:19and months and you and one of your
0:05:20despite any other side effects of your
0:05:22profession you I believe you said you
0:05:25never you weren't much of a blackout guy
0:05:27like you would still remember lots of
0:05:29things about what happened Oh me as a
0:05:31yeah no no I never blacked out that's
0:05:33why I'm mentioning again because that's
0:05:34that's quite a performance
0:05:35characteristic that's that's very
0:05:36unusual
0:05:37I didn't blackout and I hardly ever
0:05:39vomited I've just when rare occasions
0:05:42would would vomit but even in those
0:05:44situations I would usually sort of
0:05:46excuse myself from the table go outside
0:05:51vomit like like a rhinoceros would vomit
0:05:58like standing up beer still in hand and
0:06:03then go back in and sit back down at the
0:06:06table and say like where were we
0:06:09it was a great advantage it was a great
0:06:12advantage if that had been a competitive
0:06:14sport you know what I mean like there
0:06:15are people that can run I'm a great
0:06:17vomiter four-minute mile I'm a really
0:06:19gifted vomiter is that right yeah I
0:06:21don't get to use it as much as I would
0:06:22like uh it's I don't know what it is
0:06:24because it's funny it's one of those
0:06:25things where uh you know when you're a
0:06:27kid like obviously to me hypodermic
0:06:29needles were the height of fear
0:06:30hypodermic needles and corporal
0:06:31punishment were the two things I'm most
0:06:32feared I never got the second and I only
0:06:35very occasionally got the first but it
0:06:36was like a guiding principle
0:06:37my life is I don't want to be hurt yet
0:06:39but but you know a far third was
0:06:41probably I didn't want to vomit I little
0:06:43kids don't like to vomit no no at some
0:06:46point and it wasn't even a drinking
0:06:47thing I just at some point I just got
0:06:49really good at vomiting I like I want to
0:06:52let God I just accepted it and I just
0:06:54said this is a thing we're gonna do it
0:06:55I've said this to you before I believe
0:06:57but I think one problem is that people
0:06:58don't like nausea but the nausea just
0:07:01makes them more anxious about vomiting
0:07:02when really want to just get it over
0:07:03with
0:07:03that's what a pro does uh I should have
0:07:06taken that advice a couple of weeks ago
0:07:08I had him I went out got a burrito in
0:07:12Portland Oregon at two o'clock in the
0:07:13morning and night greet him a night
0:07:17burrito and it was you know it was a
0:07:19perfectly respectable place in Portland
0:07:21that I'd been before but it's a you know
0:07:25it's a shabby late night burrito but I
0:07:28got the one that you know I did what I
0:07:31do right I ordered a little bit off menu
0:07:33and even as I was eating it I was like
0:07:36this is the wrong choice not not not
0:07:39because there was anything fishy about
0:07:41the burrito but it was just like this is
0:07:42the wrong choice you don't need to eat
0:07:43this burrito at 2:00 in the morning but
0:07:45you know it's we're party and I'm
0:07:47showing off look what I can do listen
0:07:50it's not like you everybody Subway
0:07:52sandwiches over soon you gonna finish
0:07:56that no I'm not going to finish that
0:08:00we're standing over it super high I took
0:08:06the liberty of ordering one of each of
0:08:08the Subway sandwiches you know they've
0:08:11got 14 I ordered want to be I got a
0:08:13flight of subways and I would say was
0:08:14for the table but there's no table
0:08:16because we're sitting over sewer we're
0:08:17standing on a sewer that's hearing me
0:08:19Jonathan Coulton pollen storm probably
0:08:22uh no drew drew drew his armies yeah I
0:08:28don't think I'm not sure pollen storm
0:08:30you know usually those guys storm likes
0:08:32to stay out late Paul likes to get home
0:08:34back to the hotel he's got things to
0:08:36take care of he does he's got anybody
0:08:39else Drive he wants to Skype home anyway
0:08:43so then the next day I had nausea oh no
0:08:45from your night three toe and all day
0:08:48long I
0:08:49the nausea oh I drove back from Portland
0:08:54to Seattle the entire way just like
0:08:57speeds are sweat just dripping down the
0:09:00sides of my face just like I am I am
0:09:03gonna you know because I have a very
0:09:05good Constitution in the sense that I
0:09:07can eat poisonous food and survive it's
0:09:10like The Princess Bride you've been
0:09:11practicing your whole life our whole
0:09:13life right now is Ida Kane like even
0:09:15you've been taking little bits so that
0:09:17you go up against you know the Sicilian
0:09:19when death is on the line that's right I
0:09:20have I have inured myself to Ida Cain
0:09:23and also to ecoli and also to whatever
0:09:26else we can I can eat I can eat almost
0:09:32anything and I said you know this
0:09:34burrito is not gonna get the better of
0:09:35me
0:09:36so all day I'm just oh I've just feel
0:09:39awful sweat and just blue green around
0:09:42the gills and by the time I get to my
0:09:46house I'm really incapacitated by food
0:09:49poisoning and not acknowledging it and I
0:09:54get into the house and I'm just I have
0:09:55this I guess I I thought of you
0:09:58what would Marilyn do mmm WWF MD mmm PE
0:10:04well Marcus Welby MD let's pull it and
0:10:09uh and so I went into the bathroom and
0:10:12then boy hmm did I did I let fly and and
0:10:16you know I felt uh I felt better I felt
0:10:20no longer that feeling of nausea that's
0:10:22come on it can be a kind of relief cuz
0:10:23you like alright it's finally happening
0:10:24it was except that I think by incubating
0:10:28the food poisoning for an entire day but
0:10:30you know like by will I could have
0:10:32thrown up at 9:00 in the morning you
0:10:34know by spending all day really really
0:10:37really integrating it into my whole
0:10:38corpus well the things when you when
0:10:40you're sick whether you this goes for
0:10:42downstairs basement situations too or
0:10:44upstairs situations is that you are
0:10:47you're there you're going to be there
0:10:50for as long as this thing needs to do
0:10:53what it's going to do there are no there
0:10:54are really not any shortcuts that I'm
0:10:56aware of because like even if you had
0:10:58vomited at 9:00 a.m. that's no guarantee
0:11:00you wouldn't still be vomiting all day
0:11:01long you're
0:11:02writing that initial vomit but it's
0:11:03going to work its way through your
0:11:04system one way or another and you just
0:11:07have to decide in your case you decide
0:11:08to fight it and drive sweaty but yeah
0:11:11that's part of what makes it you're
0:11:12really in its thrall you know you'll get
0:11:15to post bail and get out of nausea well
0:11:17and this is one of the things that I I'm
0:11:22not a hundred percent certain if I
0:11:24didn't make it a thousand times worse to
0:11:26the incubating it incubated and then I
0:11:28was sick for three days which is a lot
0:11:31longer than you should be normally sick
0:11:34on food poisoning right you should be
0:11:35able to kick it in a day but I continued
0:11:38to really struggle and I think it's
0:11:40because you know rather than rather than
0:11:42get this stuff out I let it get in there
0:11:44and just you know set up housekeeping
0:11:46and rent a trailer and you know those
0:11:50guys were I'll cook up utilities and
0:11:52basic cable yep yeah yep they have their
0:11:55did their their dish yes yeah so uh I
0:12:00should have just should have just taken
0:12:02it take you know taking the axe to it
0:12:04let me tell you if there's anything it's
0:12:07dawn and Ben right from from doctor
0:12:09doctors dawn and Ben there's anything
0:12:11that I've learned it's made my life more
0:12:12complicated it's it's food safety is it
0:12:16turns out business there's all the
0:12:18stutters I think you've been on their
0:12:19program I've been this is what's called
0:12:21food safety talk we both been on there I
0:12:23really enjoyed it
0:12:24uh the thing that I feel like I'm
0:12:27learning from them is that like it's
0:12:28sort of one of those everything you know
0:12:30about food is wrong type situations
0:12:31because the primary one being and I we
0:12:34discussed this at length when I was on
0:12:35their show and I think you might have
0:12:36discussed this but there's that whole
0:12:37idea this is this matrix of what makes
0:12:40food safe in terms of how hot you cook
0:12:43it how long you cook it and there's this
0:12:45this amazing graphic that Ben showed me
0:12:48of because I'm a sous vide guy right
0:12:50that's the thing where you vacuum up
0:12:52food and then you cook it in a warm bath
0:12:54um that's very specific temperature and
0:12:57you vacuum it up I'd pop for the vacuum
0:13:00thing and it was really worth it you
0:13:01could do in a ziplock bag too but the
0:13:02basic idea when we first hear this this
0:13:04sounds mental but you get this thing
0:13:06looks like a lightsaber you stick it in
0:13:07water and you say I went and get this
0:13:09water - exactly
0:13:11132 degrees now I've I've aged
0:13:15dried and prepackaged really nice rib
0:13:18eyes with time and the whole nine I've
0:13:20got it in a little plastic bag I pulled
0:13:22that out at you ready for this
0:13:23brace yourself I pull this out of the
0:13:24freezer you take that out of the freezer
0:13:26you did not hear me wrong 132 degree
0:13:29water you forgot it's not very hot I
0:13:32mean most will tell you like usually for
0:13:34like a this is fascinating steak talk
0:13:36but a lot of times when you think of a
0:13:37medium-rare and there's so many ways to
0:13:39get a medium-rare wrong that's what I
0:13:41want about one somewhere in the low one
0:13:4240s usually like oh right yeah I think
0:13:44it's not usually no hard like a 142 and
0:13:46what do they tell you you're cooking
0:13:48chicken you're cooking pork chops it's
0:13:49got to be 160 because it's not 160
0:13:52you're gonna die with pork worms oh
0:13:54isn't that what they tell you that's all
0:13:56the time all the times I've had pork
0:13:58worms okay let's go this is where you
0:14:01get into the turns out though because
0:14:02guess what I do I throw frozen meat in
0:14:05plastic into a warm bath 132 degrees not
0:14:08what your mutts I heard talk about
0:14:10boiling a bag it's like about on a bag
0:14:12but it's not boil its bag no boil it's a
0:14:15delicious rib eye and then you know what
0:14:16I do I tell my dingus I say remind me to
0:14:18take out steaks in two hours so you
0:14:21think I would have left the time off of
0:14:22there first of all but but but assume
0:14:25let's assume that you like the taste of
0:14:26time oh you don't like see people have
0:14:29strong feelings cilantro rosemary thyme
0:14:31people have strong feelings I feel like
0:14:33time is the stuff that that you smell
0:14:36when you're walking through Joshua Tree
0:14:37like when you're walking through the
0:14:39desert somewhere and you're kicking up
0:14:41brush yeah I she smell I don't want that
0:14:45put on my steak okay I'll leave it off
0:14:46yours all right so there's so much about
0:14:48this that is bananas so first of all the
0:14:51fact that you would have meat that 132
0:14:52degrees sounds crazy and the way that
0:14:55you would cook a steak for two hours
0:14:57sounds mental well that you would be
0:14:59using the lightsaber at all in this
0:15:00process my saber it's plugged in in the
0:15:02water you're putting electric in the
0:15:03water and then fort you put frozen meat
0:15:05in but long story short probably too
0:15:07late the thing is 132 for if you do it
0:15:11long enough kills and please do your own
0:15:13due diligence don't die from what you
0:15:15hear on a podcast but the idea is that
0:15:16you don't need to cook pork to 160 I
0:15:19cook pork to 140 to come on and and the
0:15:23thing is you do it long enough it kills
0:15:24the pathogens and the thing is mainly
0:15:27the longer you leave it in
0:15:28more it becomes it's sort of like when
0:15:31you um smoke or slow cook pork over a
0:15:35long time it gets kind of you get that
0:15:36kind of pulled pork sort of thing so if
0:15:38you put your ribeye in there you could
0:15:39put it in there for 24 hours you could
0:15:41put a rib roast in there but if people
0:15:42to steak in for 24 hours it would still
0:15:44be medium-rare it would just be kind of
0:15:46mealy and that the physics of that which
0:15:49I don't begin to understand but it has
0:15:51been explained to me and I still don't
0:15:52understand it
0:15:53all I know is that knee of two years ago
0:15:55the idea of taking frozen steak and
0:15:57throwing it into a bathtub 132 degrees
0:16:00for two hours is the crazy idea in a bag
0:16:03yeah but it but it does works but this
0:16:05is where you get into the turns outs and
0:16:06this is where we get into your grease
0:16:07specifically yeah I'll bet you there's
0:16:10it turns out - how long to keep the
0:16:11grease if I have my druthers it would be
0:16:13like McDonald's I would just have grease
0:16:14sitting around like Bob all the time you
0:16:16know good to go hmm let me get back to
0:16:19the steak in a bag thing it does not
0:16:21sound like you would have a very
0:16:22appetizing outside it does not yeah so
0:16:26that's where you go to the next level
0:16:27yeah so as you know we basically live in
0:16:30a hovel built in the 20s but we do have
0:16:33arranged a little describe it as a
0:16:34hobble but yeah I like our house um you
0:16:37uh so what you do is you take it out you
0:16:39dry it thoroughly at this point you
0:16:41don't really have to let it set up you
0:16:43talk about Pat it dry with some towel I
0:16:45do some paper towels on either side and
0:16:46then you it you get the oil of your
0:16:49choice the lubricant of your choice you
0:16:51might call it let's call it bacon grease
0:16:53and a pan for me it's lard okay I've
0:16:56gone down on lard where do you buy lard
0:16:59a local grocery store made by the I
0:17:02think made by the armored company Oh
0:17:04all right Beast can you see this large
0:17:06okay this can be show notes you see this
0:17:09lard and you're gonna oh yeah that lard
0:17:11I'm gonna talk about no vegetable stuff
0:17:13ain't talking about no Crisco I'm
0:17:15talking about Mountain tikka
0:17:16I'm talking to get armored lard and your
0:17:19edits are more right arm is on the wall
0:17:22it's from the from the French yeah
0:17:24remember when they have a website
0:17:25discover the lard of difference hmm this
0:17:29is that a pun
0:17:31discover the lard of difference discover
0:17:34the lard difference Oh
0:17:36the lard difference back to basics being
0:17:38a trusted family tradition to your kit
0:17:40this is the lard
0:17:44from the stone and ye shall be King of
0:17:47England you can have to save versus the
0:17:49lot of difference um but uh well I'm
0:17:54really fascinated by this nice essential
0:17:55link oh no on the armor site maanteeeca
0:18:00maanteeeca in espanol and I'm just real
0:18:02quick real quick side road I don't want
0:18:04to derail our conversation that's so on
0:18:06track but this started for me when I got
0:18:07I got a blue apron and the blue apron
0:18:10was to make some kind of like a
0:18:12delicious Mexican dish with carnitas and
0:18:16it comes with the tiny little you know
0:18:18like if you get like if you make
0:18:19cinnamon rolls at home and you get the
0:18:22jizz and a little package like they give
0:18:24you a little jizz sized package of lard
0:18:26to cook the carnitas with and I was like
0:18:28lard that's not very healthy man I did
0:18:31it and it was fantastic it browned up
0:18:32really well in the pan and that's why I
0:18:34use it for the stick so you Pat your
0:18:36steaks well I'm going right here to if
0:18:38on the armor site yes one of the top one
0:18:42of the top navigation bars is why lard
0:18:45my lard question mark you get down you
0:18:47get in there discover the lard
0:18:48difference it's better for you it has
0:18:51better taste and better results lard is
0:18:53better it seems so obvious now pure
0:18:56natural goodness that's why your
0:18:57grandmother's grandmother trusted lard
0:19:00oh they're dropping some science on us
0:19:04bring out the big guns of grandmas
0:19:06Lauren not not because your
0:19:08grandmother's grandmother didn't have
0:19:09anything but lard it's because he knew
0:19:12it was pure natural because about the
0:19:14lard difference yeah the lard difference
0:19:16so you patted it dry yeah now you don't
0:19:20want us to get too hot but I will I will
0:19:22go to a medium setting which is still
0:19:24pretty hot especially if you're cooking
0:19:26with maanteeeca
0:19:26and so so you got your sticks it's it's
0:19:29the heated up your oil of choice your
0:19:31lubricant of choice and then you gently
0:19:32put it in there now here's what I do
0:19:34here's a life hack I have an old a
0:19:36cast-iron pan that you know got kind of
0:19:39janky but I keep it around as a pressing
0:19:42pan look I put I put I put a stake with
0:19:46the with them on take off the lard into
0:19:48the new lodge cast-iron pan I use the
0:19:52Old Lodge cast-iron man I put on top
0:19:53like a brick like you'd make a chicken
0:19:55a brick I press it down you sit under
0:19:58when you had chicken under brick this
0:20:01show is going off the rails no no no
0:20:03people I I happen to know from feedback
0:20:05the people love when we talk about food
0:20:07and recipes that is that something gets
0:20:09under the grandmother's grandmother
0:20:11taught you checking under names like the
0:20:14chicken difference and then see it
0:20:17within like let in less than two minutes
0:20:18you get a great sear that does not
0:20:20overly medium a fie the right next to
0:20:23the delicious medium-rare nests oh
0:20:24that's the other thing with this cooking
0:20:25in the sous-vide is it is uniform every
0:20:27single cubic millimeter of that steak is
0:20:30exactly the same doneness
0:20:31but then you sear it at the end you want
0:20:33a little bit extra kosher salt or what
0:20:34would have you you can use butter you
0:20:36can use whatever you want steak and
0:20:37butter pretty good and you've got
0:20:38yourself now at this point I will drop
0:20:40that into some aluminium foil I'll fold
0:20:43it up and I'll let it set up a little
0:20:44bit I'll finish the sides because as you
0:20:46know I like all my food to be hot and
0:20:48finish at exactly the same moment cotton
0:20:50finish got the Merlin man different
0:20:52Dustin bulbous so then that's that's all
0:20:54time that's right the mascara snake uh
0:20:58okay we might be a little off the rails
0:21:00and I still gotta talk to you about the
0:21:02beetles and I still talk to you about
0:21:03parking so we have a lot to talk about
0:21:05today this can be a very little the
0:21:07thing is there's a lot of new beetles
0:21:08news which we can't always say no it's
0:21:11such a you know a week for the beetles
0:21:13but you have to be awesome
0:21:15okay uh I say something me okay good you
0:21:19fussed out a minute but you're back yeah
0:21:20you fuzz doubt - oh no no I exciting
0:21:24gonnigan hacks we gotta act you think
0:21:27it's the Russian hackers it's ransom
0:21:29where are they taking our our social
0:21:32security number Nana Ford I'm gonna use
0:21:36domain tools to get to the bottom of
0:21:38this oh I'm in I cracked the encryption
0:21:41there's green letters on my screen or in
0:21:44hmm so that's how you make a stake and
0:21:48so here's the thing though I think we
0:21:49should probably reach out to friends at
0:21:52the show doctors dawn and Ben and ask
0:21:54them for their opinion and now do we
0:21:56want to pose this in a specific way is
0:21:57it a question of how long how long is it
0:21:59safe for me to leave bacon grease in the
0:22:01pan and how long is it safe for me to
0:22:03reuse it is that kind of the question
0:22:05well but I think I think that my
0:22:07suspicion is that the word
0:22:09that the word we're looking for is not
0:22:10safe because I think the darts are moves
0:22:13like is it proper yeah or yeah basically
0:22:16sound it's gonna be one of those things
0:22:19that they you know the my experience of
0:22:21talking to those guys about food safety
0:22:22was pretty much first of all every time
0:22:25I said is it safe to eat this one of
0:22:27them would say yeah
0:22:28yes and the other would go mmm no hmm
0:22:31and it kept flip-flopping between the
0:22:33two of them and the lesson the ultimate
0:22:36lesson was in every situation you have
0:22:39to make a judgment call it's not one vet
0:22:42that's the thing is turns out there's
0:22:43not one vector to this right is it safe
0:22:46for me to eat is it safe for me to eat
0:22:49right now do I choose to take the risk
0:22:53of eating this because what they said
0:22:55was everything you put in your mouth so
0:22:56there's some risk like you know somebody
0:22:59could have pooped on your popsicle sale
0:23:01okay is it safe this thing's been frozen
0:23:03for a month is it safe to eat the easy
0:23:05answer is yes but the huge asterisk is
0:23:07well what happened to it before it was
0:23:09frozen mmm right
0:23:10right what if somebody put that chicken
0:23:12under a brick if so I put these open
0:23:14under a brick might be half a cock in
0:23:15there you don't know you don't you don't
0:23:17want to be putting that in your mouth
0:23:18just because somebody said see this is
0:23:20the this is this is the problem with the
0:23:22internet so I don't know a lot of time a
0:23:25lot of times when I have a piece of food
0:23:27that I have left out too long and I
0:23:29think this food is now into this range
0:23:32of like is this been sitting out too
0:23:33long I'll put it in the freezer and I
0:23:38figure if I leave it in the freezer for
0:23:41a month by taking your severed finger
0:23:44and putting it in a box of band-aids put
0:23:47in freezer for a month without a week
0:23:49the freezer will do something I don't
0:23:51know what and but what's the primary
0:23:54thing the freezer will do is cause me to
0:23:55forget that is out on the counter for
0:23:58too long yes and it will make the choice
0:24:00for me because when I find it in there
0:24:02later I'm gonna be like oh I didn't know
0:24:04this was in here right and then I'll
0:24:06make it out and and it'll be trouble
0:24:08free so you need to go ahead and make it
0:24:09though because I forget I forget that I
0:24:12put it in there because it had been
0:24:13sitting out on the counter I don't I
0:24:15know all along when I'm doing it's not
0:24:16the way my wife basically when she saves
0:24:18any tiny bit of food so he basically a
0:24:20garbage plus a plastic bag
0:24:22you know nobody's gonna eat that last
0:24:23you know chicken leg or the wing or
0:24:25whatever like the right of burnt wing
0:24:27like why are we keeping this I don't
0:24:28want to waste food we'll know you're
0:24:29wasting food and a bag in that case it's
0:24:34like just I just had a glimpse inside
0:24:36your marriage it's so beautiful
0:24:38I like so much about my marriage yeah
0:24:40now you're wasting food and a bag but
0:24:43loved I really am a joy to have around
0:24:45Stella Sora breakfast treats wanna be
0:24:49down there not on this thing like the
0:24:50river boy stop what are you doing
0:25:01breakfast yeah Stella d'Oro
0:25:03we're doing somebody else's bit but like
0:25:06this is still a thing I do like the
0:25:07easily 5 to 60 times a day I walk by the
0:25:10cat and she's just sitting there in the
0:25:12hallway staring she's sitting on her
0:25:14cushion by the heater cuz she's an old
0:25:15frail lady I look her I go what are you
0:25:17doing ha ha my family's to stop doing
0:25:20that you're scaring her and the cat
0:25:21looks me like what right Stella d'Oro
0:25:24breakfast treats yeah no the cat knows
0:25:26cat knows melador Oh breakfast chance
0:25:29you know you know I would album so much
0:25:32there's so much on that this we're
0:25:33talking about feeling kind of Patton and
0:25:36I well I think first comedy wall long
0:25:38time ago there's much on there that is
0:25:41not for sensitive ears uh but boy is
0:25:44that funny yeah I there's a website that
0:25:48I let me recommend it to you guys yeah
0:25:50it's called folk streams dotnet folk ok
0:25:57Volk streams net ok and it's a place
0:25:59where all of the documentary films about
0:26:03American roots cultures are archived oh
0:26:08my gosh like an it's it's like a free
0:26:11it's a net it's an it's a I feel like
0:26:13I've been to this site National Preserve
0:26:16of all these documentaries made in the
0:26:1970s I think I think I watched a movie
0:26:21here recently yeah it's just like
0:26:23whatever happened to the paddlewheel
0:26:26steamer well this is where this is where
0:26:29I got a copy of talking feet solo
0:26:31southern dance bucks my foot and tap and
0:26:34because you know why this is
0:26:35an important substrata of a very
0:26:37important movie uh what's it called
0:26:40dance and rebel yet with a guy with the
0:26:42cost of sunglasses you ever seen that
0:26:43movie oh gosh this is a terrific I'm
0:26:47sorry I'm taking you off folks dreams
0:26:48yeah talking feet I wish we had shown us
0:26:50I would put it in go Google talking feet
0:26:52solo southern dance buck flat foot and
0:26:54tap and it's an amazing documentary I
0:26:56think she came out in mid 80s but was
0:26:58made in the early early 80s and it's
0:27:01just documenting these very very old men
0:27:03who do that southern like tap oh yeah
0:27:07but like oh yeah well it's like let's
0:27:09like locking it's not a group it's it's
0:27:11a solo performance but these guys are
0:27:12amazing and they just live out in the
0:27:14sticks and they're incredible well I'm
0:27:16sorry folks dreams net folks rooms done
0:27:18that so if you want it like I'm just
0:27:20scrolling down here it's like Edie Prez
0:27:22Mel the dulcimer maker or ironworking
0:27:26yeah finish Americans a 1982 portrait of
0:27:29finish American culture in Upper
0:27:31Michigan Florida shrimping traditional
0:27:35man some change here's some Gandy
0:27:38dancers more Gandy dancers Gandy dancers
0:27:42are that uh you know they're like that
0:27:44they're singing singing as they as they
0:27:46as they build railroad tracks 1978
0:27:49documentary mermaids frog legs and
0:27:50fillets it's about basically about hip
0:27:53hop on the streets in 1978 yeah alright
0:27:57so anyway so I am on here a lot and I
0:28:00was watching a movie about the decaying
0:28:03so this movie was made in about 1981 or
0:28:0882 and it's a guy that's like there used
0:28:11to be a lot of Irish in the Bronx but
0:28:15the Irish are getting pushed out so I'm
0:28:18gonna go around all the Irish par all
0:28:20Irish bars and I'm gonna talk to all the
0:28:22Irish guys what are you doing and so
0:28:27walking over and watching this movie and
0:28:29he's just it's it's you know the guy
0:28:31like he rode his narrative out before
0:28:34you know he doesn't boys over narration
0:28:36and he's a real Irish poet so as his
0:28:39narration is very colorful language in
0:28:42his and but he goes to these bars in
0:28:43this hall as you can imagine cops and
0:28:46firemen and then a bunch of people from
0:28:48the old country who
0:28:49who've been living in the Bronx since
0:28:50the 40s and I'm like this part of the
0:28:54Bronx is not a part of New York that I
0:28:58know mm-hmm and so I started looking up
0:29:00to start looking into this part of the
0:29:02Bronx and you know I bet like you've
0:29:05been all around it but just sort of
0:29:07didn't realize like oh I guess this was
0:29:08the center of mean if you go to this
0:29:10part of the Bronx arrggh
0:29:11there's 400 Catholic churches all
0:29:14involved you know within 10 blocks
0:29:17anyway the Stella d'Oro Factory was
0:29:22right there that's where they made him
0:29:24no kidding and then just recently they
0:29:26were purchased by you know by Armand or
0:29:30by Armand Hammer or somebody buy buy a
0:29:35big breakfast cookie yeah that's right
0:29:37and then they then there they moved it
0:29:39there moved their manufacturing to the
0:29:40Alamo or something in that it's all it's
0:29:43kind of the reverse it's like New York
0:29:46City accepts reverse you watch so much
0:29:49of the same TV like that I Texas New
0:29:52York City get a rope it's my turn to
0:29:56operate I'm the sole survivor so anyways
0:30:04that you spend hours and hours on this
0:30:06because it's it never gets here there's
0:30:09Morgan Sexton the Bull Creek banjo
0:30:10player of course
0:30:11oh wow mouths music I highly recommend
0:30:14this a boot camp count off-chance
0:30:17jumprope rhymes and carny barks are
0:30:20featured in this fast-moving sampler of
0:30:22proto music wow that made me kind of
0:30:24tingly right boot camp count off-chance
0:30:27jumprope rhymes and card you can't count
0:30:29off chance boot camp that's like camp
0:30:32rat laughs had a good job at I left
0:30:35right left
0:30:36they call it attic cadence we used to do
0:30:38those when I was in military school
0:30:40c-130 on taxiway tear morphing she's
0:30:43gonna jump today sound off 1 2 sound up
0:30:47p4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 hmm we should start
0:30:56our own paramilitary unit that let me
0:30:58hear one of your let me hear one of your
0:31:00count offs I don't know
0:31:01until let's see I'm trying remember
0:31:03confusing it with Full Metal Jacket but
0:31:05I this is 1979 I was hearing these yeah
0:31:08we had lots of body Cadence's and body
0:31:11camp songs a lot of songs about vaginas
0:31:14there was a lot of references to vaginas
0:31:16even though none of us had ever seen
0:31:17vaginas your time body like B aw aw
0:31:21maudey but e body body body but where
0:31:26are we um night burrito grease dawn and
0:31:30bend gun we've gotten all the way to we
0:31:34have two beetles and parking yet I think
0:31:36so I think we got real real close to the
0:31:38bueno we're here at we're mouth music
0:31:40here's op lair the sled maker I can
0:31:42leave this I see the problem is I
0:31:44prepared a little bit for this because I
0:31:45had an experience yesterday with parking
0:31:47it's not nearly as interesting as
0:31:48talking about the Beatles oh but I just
0:31:50I feel like I had to tell you this you
0:31:52don't usually take notes so let's hear
0:31:54it
0:31:55it's quick it's just yeah I don't want
0:31:57take us off Beatles but I just want to
0:31:58say like okay so yesterday as you record
0:32:00this it was today's Memorial Day thank
0:32:02you for your service yesterday was the
0:32:04day before Memorial Day we went down to
0:32:05Santa Cruz go to the beach boardwalk
0:32:07we're gonna you know go on some rides
0:32:08get ripped off by some games just have a
0:32:10little little very short fun family day
0:32:13and of course it's the day before
0:32:15Memorial Day so the place is mobbed and
0:32:17this place was never meant it's
0:32:19basically like a small coastal
0:32:21residential neighborhood where someone
0:32:23built a boardwalk that now is like a
0:32:25small theme park and it is not it is not
0:32:28like arriving at Disney World like a
0:32:29full teenage vampires - right yes
0:32:32skateboarding vampires many of them
0:32:33teens it's real sketchy it's got that
0:32:36kind of like beach sketchy feeling
0:32:39anyway long story short it's packed the
0:32:41parking is it takes us you know 45
0:32:43minutes just to get from like from
0:32:44somewhere to like finding parking
0:32:46there's parking lots tiny parking lots
0:32:47we finally find a parking space the Sun
0:32:49is blaring down I don't know why I'm
0:32:51telling you this except I think you'd
0:32:52appreciate it we arrived there we park
0:32:53oh god we got a space there's a meter
0:32:56alright let's go run our card through
0:32:57the meter because try put your card into
0:33:00the meters at well up to a 12-hour
0:33:01parking meter pretty great
0:33:03try to get your card in card doesn't fit
0:33:05this does not take credit cards okay
0:33:07I'll take quarters well we're going to
0:33:09put in four or five hours where the
0:33:10quarters no nobody has that anymore
0:33:11right
0:33:12so we discover they say if you want pay
0:33:14for this
0:33:14so I look around every single one of the
0:33:16meter says expired and zero zero on it
0:33:18I'm like honey maybe they're just not
0:33:20doing them today and she's like you want
0:33:21to pay for a ticket and I said no I do
0:33:23not want to pay for a ticket but I also
0:33:24do not want to interact with an app
0:33:26because guess what
0:33:27to pay for the parking you need to get
0:33:30an app Oh see that's how they have this
0:33:32is how this is they get into hack you so
0:33:34know what I'm telling you this so I see
0:33:36there's a service called park mobile and
0:33:38I want park mobile I don't want to die
0:33:41once in a fire I want to survive and go
0:33:43through painful recovery to go die in
0:33:45another fire yep you've used park mobile
0:33:48before no no oh you don't hate pad for
0:33:51parking like an adult you put in a few
0:33:52quarters if you're going to the comic
0:33:54store or you use your credit card like
0:33:55an adult you don't you went into this
0:33:59just completely uh like you're just a
0:34:02virgin to this totally to this and I and
0:34:05I but you know and I'm you know how I am
0:34:07right yeah okay so anyway there's a
0:34:11service called Park mobile and then
0:34:13their thing is it's parking made simple
0:34:14okay what you do you're either gonna get
0:34:18the app or you can call and set up an
0:34:20account and I'm like and I'm my families
0:34:22are I'm getting that Dessie to look in
0:34:24their eyes cuz they say I'm going to a
0:34:25certain place yeah you're telling me
0:34:27that in order to park the car I've got
0:34:30to get an app or microphone or you make
0:34:33a phone call it really simple I'm
0:34:35starting to get the app so you go to
0:34:36their website their website points you
0:34:38to the App Store you go to the App Store
0:34:39you download the app you wait because
0:34:42remember you're not on a wireless
0:34:43connection you need an app to pay for
0:34:45parking so you wait you wait you wait it
0:34:47down let's okay alright alright how do I
0:34:48pay for this that's a fast Johnny guess
0:34:50what now you go go you got to create an
0:34:52account
0:34:52you gotta create a me so I say Madeline
0:34:54would you please use your iPhone and
0:34:56please call to set up an account while
0:34:57I'm doing this cuz I'm going to Hulk out
0:34:59in a minute so now you know me now I
0:35:02don't just go type a bunch of letters I
0:35:04go to my password app where I have to go
0:35:05create a new login yeah with with the
0:35:08secure password I gotta go copy that now
0:35:10I go in I create a new account pretty
0:35:12soon your garage door opener is going up
0:35:14and down that's how they get you they
0:35:15hack and hack it how they do so now I go
0:35:19enter my new account information I put
0:35:20in my email address I paste in my new
0:35:22money work you're ready to go cut pay
0:35:24for this now oh hang on a minute hang on
0:35:25now you need to configure your account
0:35:28know your license plate number oh sure
0:35:30sure sure right still part of
0:35:32configuring me very got a configure the
0:35:33account cuz now they got a license plate
0:35:35number you got to give it a name like a
0:35:36memorable name for the car for all your
0:35:38cars that you have you would give a
0:35:39memorable name called Pookie
0:35:41mine was fuck me gently and then there's
0:35:44like the Elvis song and then C name it
0:35:46well guess what now me Jackie
0:35:48but never let me go is based on orally
0:35:55so now okay this is like seriously 10 to
0:36:0015 minutes okay fine whatever you know
0:36:02week I have to pee so bad we didn't stop
0:36:05we've been driving for two hours I've
0:36:07been selling slammin seltzer the whole
0:36:08time you didn't tell me this park Oh God
0:36:10and I'm getting cross I didn't cross I'm
0:36:13in the Sun I'm already burning off some
0:36:14of my 100 SPF sunscreen that I've been
0:36:16counting on take care of me all day I'm
0:36:18you're starting up down my daughter is
0:36:20just watching the roller coaster with
0:36:22like tears in her eyes like why are we
0:36:23still here configuring it out okay can I
0:36:26do this no not yet you got one turn on
0:36:29notification so we give notifications
0:36:31about your parking okay yeah I guess
0:36:32what guess what we need your payment
0:36:35information cuz why the hell would we
0:36:36put a credit card dingus into the
0:36:38parking meter you need to enter it in
0:36:40the app with the account you just put in
0:36:42that's fine get two boys flash right you
0:36:45sure
0:36:46so guess what though you can take a
0:36:49photo of your credit card feeling great
0:36:51about this fine I enabled the camera I
0:36:53set it on this steaming hot top of our
0:36:56automobile I attempt to take a photo of
0:36:59five times it doesn't get anything oh
0:37:01that's fine let's just start over now I
0:37:02go now I go into my password app I get
0:37:05my credit card information now I gotta
0:37:06go copy 1 Z 2 Z go copy and paste all of
0:37:08that in am I done
0:37:09no now you gotta enter what parking zone
0:37:11you're in well tell you the parking zone
0:37:13please oh you can shoot the QR code now
0:37:15that you've enabled the camera on your
0:37:16fucking phone to be able to pay for the
0:37:17parking signal right I goddamn roller
0:37:19coaster on a Sunday and I entered the
0:37:22parking zone and it goes beauty Lord now
0:37:24completing your parking you have up to
0:37:26this time in the countdown you want us
0:37:28to send you reminders no we have pretty
0:37:32good time we had some fried food we I
0:37:34went on I went on a roller coaster they
0:37:36went on a sky ride it was all good then
0:37:37we got back easy you close the session I
0:37:39got four emails from all this got four
0:37:41emails I'm getting benefit Asian welcome
0:37:43so I could write this is so that I could
0:37:46have my car be somewhere for a while
0:37:48yeah give thought on this
0:37:50am I being am I you know me in my peers
0:37:52to me you're saying the machine had some
0:37:56facility to take a card just not a
0:37:59credit card yes what was the card it
0:38:01could take I think I didn't think to
0:38:04take a picture of the meter I think it
0:38:06was probably the classic prepaid card
0:38:08and and in a sensible move for once you
0:38:12would not want that to be a size that
0:38:14would accommodate a standard credit card
0:38:15because that would be very confusing to
0:38:17people right right so this was a thing
0:38:20that if you were a Santa Cruz resident
0:38:21you would get a little card that was
0:38:24your parking we have that I mean we have
0:38:26that for public transit in Union for
0:38:28parking you buy like a throwaway $20
0:38:29card for to pay for parking
0:38:32I just let's move on to the Beatles but
0:38:34like yet you feel me on this i I I am so
0:38:38I'm so filled with sympathetic rage um
0:38:42you got a good nap you got a doubt you
0:38:45got a go somewhere and what if you don't
0:38:46have a smartphone what you don't have a
0:38:49credit card you know what you would have
0:38:51done you would have walked over to the
0:38:52nearest bodega store $20 in quarters
0:38:55I know you would have said what's the
0:38:56deal with parking around here and they
0:38:58would have said oh we sell the parking
0:38:59cards 20 bucks see you're smart and you
0:39:02would've gone we all know for next time
0:39:04I think right but maybe not maybe the
0:39:07guy at the counter would have said like
0:39:09yeah get it out but I feel like this is
0:39:11when I look around and I see every one
0:39:12of these that says 0-0 and expired on it
0:39:15and I'm thinking you but that's an
0:39:17argument you're having with your wife
0:39:18not with not with the meter you want to
0:39:19get a ticket
0:39:20I said yeah honey I want to get a ticket
0:39:22that's why I'm sitting here configuring
0:39:24a nap in the Sun so stuck him in a
0:39:26sulking camu novel the problem is that
0:39:28year that even Santa Cruz now is too
0:39:30close to San Francisco to ever be a real
0:39:33town again the cops they bring in the
0:39:35apps and so I I just played this
0:39:39festival right the long winters got back
0:39:40together we played this upstream music
0:39:42festival it's being put on by Paul
0:39:43Allen's company Vulcan it's all a lovely
0:39:47or organization and I know a lot of the
0:39:48people there I actually am on the board
0:39:50which apparently was not a conflict of
0:39:52interest when they asked me to play
0:39:55because they never gave any information
0:39:56to the board or asked us to any
0:39:57questions at all but when we got our
0:40:01packets because when you're playing a
0:40:03big festival like this right you get
0:40:05packets sure you're gonna get a packet
0:40:07I'll give you a packet and Sean Nelson
0:40:10got his packet first and Sean has each
0:40:13Sean has become somebody I guess who
0:40:16does his due diligence there's any an
0:40:19editor he is yes and make sure that
0:40:21things are proper he does and so he on
0:40:25behalf at own he also he lives in
0:40:27Pioneer Square so on behalf of the band
0:40:29he said I'm gonna go down and and figure
0:40:31out what the deal is which is great if
0:40:34you're playing a big festival and you
0:40:36have somebody you know you have somebody
0:40:38doing advanced listen in any situation
0:40:40if you want to make yourself suddenly
0:40:42very useful be the person who decides to
0:40:45go and figure out what the deal is yeah
0:40:47go find out was always a deal to be
0:40:48figured out your your your recon right
0:40:51your your your the your your Ranger you
0:40:54could spend four hours guessing or 20
0:40:56minutes finding out what the dealio is
0:40:58find out what the deal is so Sean comes
0:41:00back this is all happening via text and
0:41:03he said here's the thing you have to go
0:41:05to the you have to go to the football
0:41:07field to the to the box office there get
0:41:11your packet and then you have to you
0:41:15have a wristband but you have to
0:41:17activate the wristband what it's as much
0:41:20as a smart wristband and to activate the
0:41:22wristband you have to get the app oh my
0:41:25god and once you get the app then you
0:41:28activate the wristband but there is a
0:41:30full full typewritten page with a second
0:41:35page of addenda of instructions about
0:41:39how to activate the wristband and like
0:41:45all this stuff like if you if you do
0:41:47this wrong then you're you can't get
0:41:49into the festival for the rest of the
0:41:51day no evil I'm John now enjoy that's
0:41:53right and just on and on and he's sean
0:41:55is reading all these like rules and
0:41:57regulations about the wristband and and
0:41:59but he said since we're playing we have
0:42:02two wristbands but the instructions are
0:42:06saying do not
0:42:07activate two wristbands if you activate
0:42:09two wristbands its null and void you can
0:42:11only activate one but it doesn't say
0:42:12which one and it's just like this uh
0:42:15it's just this thing that state you know
0:42:18Shaun is getting very frustrated and
0:42:19very like what is this is madness and
0:42:22it's the same thing like you can't
0:42:24download the app because he's standing
0:42:25in the middle of a parking lot and so
0:42:28Eric and Nabil both like sitting in
0:42:32their respective homes like went through
0:42:34all this process downloaded the app got
0:42:36prepared for the for the for the event
0:42:39for the day and I did what you might
0:42:42expect you guess what I did I did
0:42:45nothing about it until it was too late
0:42:48to do anything about it
0:42:49yes okay I took the the under that
0:42:53strategy
0:42:54I took the envelope with both of my
0:42:56wristbands and all the instructions and
0:42:58several VIP drink tickets and what up
0:43:01whatever else and I put it in the front
0:43:03pocket of my jacket and I walked around
0:43:06the festival and I went everywhere that
0:43:09I wanted to and when I would walk up to
0:43:11a place and they would say do you have a
0:43:12wristband I would say yeah it's here and
0:43:13I would Pat my jacket as I walked past
0:43:16them well no one stopped me and when
0:43:19when it was time to to park in order to
0:43:22do the to do our show there's I was like
0:43:27where's the artists parking and they
0:43:29said oh there isn't any and so I had
0:43:32time to get wristbands with apps but
0:43:36they don't have time to figure out a
0:43:37place for loaning they designed it they
0:43:39design an app but they didn't think
0:43:40about loading so I just parked my truck
0:43:42right in front of the venue like on the
0:43:45not on the sidewalk but it was like a
0:43:46Plaza and I took one of the VIP drink
0:43:49tickets and I put it under the
0:43:50windshield wiper and it work there's so
0:43:54many ways it might end up working I'm
0:43:56not going to use it as a drink ticket
0:43:57right and it says VIP on it so I put it
0:43:59under the windshield wiper that's kind
0:44:01of all and I sat there and watch and all
0:44:03day long cops on their beat swinging
0:44:04their nightsticks would walk by they
0:44:06stopped but look at this thing it is
0:44:08look at them the VIP drink ticket and
0:44:11they'd be like amen all they'd stroll
0:44:12you know because should be good and uh
0:44:17and I end and then it was
0:44:21for the show the big show the night show
0:44:23and we're standing out front we're
0:44:25talking people are coming up to the
0:44:27shoulders line of people trying to get
0:44:28in and the bill walks over he says I
0:44:31just talked to the woman at the front
0:44:32door and she says they don't have the
0:44:34guest list and I was like what this is
0:44:37not good you know we're going on in 45
0:44:39minutes
0:44:39I walked over and said uh I just heard
0:44:44that you don't have the guestlist what
0:44:45do we have to do and she said oh it's
0:44:48not that I don't have the guest list
0:44:50it's that we have no provision for us
0:44:52having a guest list nobody said it word
0:44:54about guest list and we're not supposed
0:44:56to have that here I said how does that
0:44:59work
0:45:00she said well the guests your guests are
0:45:03supposed to go down to the football
0:45:05field and get the wristband and get the
0:45:10app and activate the app are you kidding
0:45:13me and I said oh that's not gonna work
0:45:17at all and she said well I that's the
0:45:19that's the deal so I so I called my guy
0:45:23the the person that had been repping us
0:45:26to the festival and I was like or the
0:45:28our festival rep rather and I said hey
0:45:30what's the story and he said well it's a
0:45:32festival it's not every club doesn't
0:45:35have a guest list it's like a fast and I
0:45:39said yeah but you're describing it as a
0:45:40fest like Bonnaroo or something where
0:45:43there's one door one gate and you stop
0:45:47at the gate and you get everything you
0:45:48need before you go through the gate but
0:45:50this is you're having this event in a
0:45:51town this is your first year
0:45:55this isn't how things are done we're you
0:45:57know like people are they're gonna show
0:46:00up for the show they're not going to go
0:46:03to the football stadium and he's like
0:46:05well I don't know what to tell you you
0:46:07know this is the I didn't design it this
0:46:09is the thing and you got you got to have
0:46:11your your app and it's just I mean it's
0:46:16just implicit in all of this though is
0:46:18that everybody has a smartphone from a
0:46:21major vendor that will allow them to
0:46:24number two then wirelessly go to a site
0:46:28get an app yeah I mean it's I guess it's
0:46:31probably a fairly safe bet but oh my god
0:46:34all system that you have you know then
0:46:36you put in all this information
0:46:38foundational yeah and then you then you
0:46:41have to you have to enable the
0:46:43microphone just in case it needs to hear
0:46:46you scream or you need to you know it's
0:46:49gonna send you notifications now for the
0:46:51rest of the year and so forth give
0:46:52yourself a memorable nickname fuck me
0:46:54general so I'm on the phone with this
0:46:57guy and I said listen it because you
0:47:00know I've been practicing for a long
0:47:01time like you know you've said to me
0:47:04many times that I should be nicer have a
0:47:07and well you know read between the
0:47:09launcher and I've heard this from a lot
0:47:12of people you should be nicer and you
0:47:15know for every time that I put a VIP
0:47:16drink ticket under the windshield wiper
0:47:18of my truck and I get away with murder
0:47:19all day there's another time when I'm
0:47:23like angry to somebody and that makes
0:47:25them sad and that's not what so I remain
0:47:30not just calm but very friendly and I
0:47:32say to this person let me let me
0:47:33describe what's gonna happen what I want
0:47:37what's gonna happen is about 15 minutes
0:47:40from now my eighty two and a half year
0:47:41old mother is gonna walk up to the door
0:47:43of this venue and she's gonna say hello
0:47:46I'm on the guest list they're going to
0:47:49say we've never heard of this guest list
0:47:51thing you need to go eight blocks to the
0:47:53football stadium download get your
0:47:55wristband download an app and the guy on
0:47:58the other end of the line is he's he's
0:48:00already with me right he's with me now
0:48:02and I said see that is just not gonna
0:48:06work at all right my 83 year old mother
0:48:1082 and a half I'm sorry it's not it's
0:48:13not I'm not gonna ask her to make this
0:48:14Trek particularly not because she showed
0:48:16up here 10 minutes before we went on
0:48:18right and he's like right right right I
0:48:20see I see I understand and I said so
0:48:22there's gotta be some kind of situation
0:48:25where you can send someone here to
0:48:28handle this someone here to the venue to
0:48:31handle this situation because I can't
0:48:35handle it and you can do it the people
0:48:37at the door can't handle it but it needs
0:48:39to get handled
0:48:40and he said let me let me let me let me
0:48:43call you right back and I said okay so
0:48:46I'm standing there and about four
0:48:49minutes later here comes a guy up the
0:48:50street and he's exactly the guy you want
0:48:53to see because this is a festival being
0:48:56put on by by Paul Allen and Vulcan right
0:48:59so all the security at all these events
0:49:00are the same people that work the
0:49:01football games because they don't
0:49:04they've never put on a music festival
0:49:05before so they don't understand that
0:49:07that's a thing that's a different kind
0:49:08of thing right there are production
0:49:09people who do it for a living production
0:49:12is an actual job event production is a
0:49:15high level job it's our intent planning
0:49:18it's it's you know anything we think
0:49:20like oh I can be an event planner it's
0:49:22like because I schedule meetings and
0:49:23people come to them it's like no you're
0:49:25really shooting a bullet with a bullet
0:49:26there's so many things even if
0:49:27everything you plan goes flawlessly you
0:49:29haven't accounted for the even be the
0:49:31beginning of your job when everything
0:49:32doesn't go as planned you see this in
0:49:34tech all the time people are just like
0:49:35oh I can do this anyway the guy shows up
0:49:39he's uh he's dressed head to toe in
0:49:42black which is what you want black jeans
0:49:44black sleeveless t-shirt he has a radio
0:49:48with a with like a microphone on his
0:49:52shoulder good signs out signs
0:49:55yep he has a Maglite and a Leatherman oh
0:49:58yeah this is Jade on the sides of his
0:50:01heads are shit sides of his head is
0:50:03shaved but on the top he's got a like
0:50:05black hair pulled back into a ponytail
0:50:09he's got a Maglite he's probably got
0:50:11some got some tape he's down the gun the
0:50:13leather man he's got it all going on he
0:50:16walks up puts his hand out he says hi
0:50:19John we've worked together before
0:50:21and I said it's great to see you and he
0:50:24said what do you need I said here's a
0:50:26situation he said don't worry about it
0:50:30show me your guest list and I pulled it
0:50:32up on my phone and he sat while I'm
0:50:35holding my phone and he wrote all the he
0:50:37didn't want me to email it to him
0:50:39whew he just sat and like tapped in all
0:50:43the names into his own phone really fast
0:50:47and I was like I can just email this to
0:50:50you and he was like nope I got it and I
0:50:53you know and I'm do
0:50:54in this while people are talking to me
0:50:56right like he's not demanding any
0:50:57attention either he's just like I
0:50:59understand I got this covered and then
0:51:03immediately everything was fine and I am
0:51:06I grabbed him by the elbow and I was
0:51:08like why are you not doing this already
0:51:10and he said when they when they announce
0:51:15this festival six months he's like leans
0:51:17in or quiet when I they announce this
0:51:19festival six months ago I sent them an
0:51:21email and I said hey I'm like I'll
0:51:24handle security and production for you I
0:51:26have a production company I'll do this
0:51:29work for you and I didn't hear back for
0:51:31that from them for five and a half
0:51:32months and two weeks ago they wrote me
0:51:35and said will you please help us a
0:51:37little bit of a fire fest type situation
0:51:38yeah and he was like so I'm working for
0:51:41him I could have done all this I could
0:51:43have made all this a long time ago it
0:51:46could have been fine
0:51:47but anyway now it's fine I've got your
0:51:49stuff fret not
0:51:51and so I heard let so I left and went up
0:51:54on the stage and I heard later that as
0:51:55my people showed up at the door they
0:51:57were like I'm on the guest list and the
0:51:59people in throat were like welcome so
0:52:02nobody got the app nobody nobody got the
0:52:04wristbands they didn't even know that
0:52:06they had to that's the beautiful thing
0:52:08about this story Merlin they never even
0:52:10learned that there was a thing that they
0:52:13were getting around this doesn't get
0:52:16some kind of an award you know what he
0:52:17does get he gets the reward of being a
0:52:19professional that kicks ass at his job
0:52:21yeah I mean then I hope that they paid
0:52:24the shit out of him because I mean I
0:52:25keep to praise upon him and was like
0:52:28thank you but the thing is as soon as I
0:52:29saw him coming down the street I was
0:52:31like oh someone from my tribe like here
0:52:33I recognized what I see this person and
0:52:36no TV you've met this Ranger before oh
0:52:40yeah you know this kind of Ranger that's
0:52:41walking up to you because he's walking
0:52:43up with the with also the astride of
0:52:45someone who is not like this is not a
0:52:50guy who is going to follow orders and
0:52:53one day be convicted of a war crimes but
0:52:57you know somebody's just the way a fella
0:53:00carries himself you just know whether or
0:53:01not he'll illy he'll be a charged with
0:53:03the war crime yeah this is not a second
0:53:05lieutenant with his helmet on backwards
0:53:07calling down artillery on his own
0:53:10position yeah this is somebody who's
0:53:13like at a certain point when he gets an
0:53:14order that's that's fubar mm-hmm he's
0:53:17gonna be like that order he's gonna
0:53:19pluck that order that's right he's gonna
0:53:21say and down sir yeah he's gonna say I
0:53:24love your G sir I would prefer not to
0:53:30I do not prefer it uh so anyway all by
0:53:34way of saying you sit in this podcast
0:53:37game the fucking app oh yes I don't want
0:53:42any more apps I want fewer apps oh oh oh
0:53:45oh I didn't tell you I know you want to
0:53:47get to the Beatles but there's one more
0:53:49thing we have a loyal listener to our
0:53:53program who lives in Portland and she
0:53:56runs a she runs an operation called
0:53:59strange vacations which is a like it's a
0:54:03motorcycle clothing and lifestyle
0:54:05company for women and vacation strange
0:54:11vacations
0:54:14synthetics it's in PDX that's right and
0:54:17she's got a you know a great collection
0:54:19of it's not just that they do leather
0:54:21jackets but they do events oh my God
0:54:24look at this stuff yeah they they do you
0:54:27know they're it's like a it's like a an
0:54:29organization to bring like motorcycle
0:54:32women who ride motorcycles of all of all
0:54:35stripes
0:54:36technically it's a Squarespace site not
0:54:38just like us so she sent me a thing the
0:54:42other day uh and I you may have heard of
0:54:45it you may not have but it's a www.the
0:54:49light phone calm are you familiar with
0:54:52the light phone
0:54:52no looking now the light phone the
0:54:56lights on you said I saw this I thought
0:54:57of you I thought you thought you might
0:54:59like it the light phone oh my god
0:55:01it is fun it is a phone the size of a
0:55:05credit card also Squarespace site and it
0:55:08has it has 10 preset people and then
0:55:14just numbers on it it is just a phone
0:55:17it's it's real little you can't text on
0:55:20it you can't do
0:55:21anything on it's just and any thing is
0:55:23it's tethered to you're not tethered
0:55:25it's somehow connected to your normal
0:55:27phone so it's your same phone number so
0:55:30for sometimes about four times when you
0:55:31don't want a smart phone when you
0:55:32literally just want to be reachable by
0:55:33phone right so you leave your smartphone
0:55:36at home you put this in your pocket that
0:55:38you can call the ten people you most
0:55:40regularly call and they can reach you
0:55:43people can reach you but otherwise you
0:55:47are free from having to look at your
0:55:50thing I could use that I can so use that
0:55:52right now and I think I think they said
0:55:54it's like five bucks a month I mean it's
0:55:56there they're doing everything they can
0:55:58to make it like just like Thomas hey you
0:56:02noticed a namaste I was kind of so she
0:56:05was gonna make us a leather jacket kind
0:56:06of bombed well you know I said to her at
0:56:08one point Alex if you want to make me a
0:56:10leather jacket I would accept it where's
0:56:11where's that where's the rock swag and
0:56:13she was like oh next time we get a big
0:56:15order in and then I never you know she
0:56:18sends me this kind of shit but never
0:56:19says like oh yeah something dangerous
0:56:21somebody takes the time to reach out and
0:56:23offer us something useful or like that's
0:56:25all very interesting oh here's my free
0:56:26shit that's great but well what about
0:56:28the leather jack what about the
0:56:29thousand-dollar leather jacket that you
0:56:31never said that you would make us anyway
0:56:33well I thank you for your service
0:56:39so I I was uh I was looking around the
0:56:42other day somebody suggested that there
0:56:44was a new Beatles documentary and so I
0:56:47Lewin well so I went around looking for
0:56:50it it was made by Ron Howard ha ha ha
0:56:53heartbreaking and I couldn't find it
0:56:56except on Hulu it's made made by and for
0:56:59Hulu and I went to Hulu and they were
0:57:01like you got download the app and then
0:57:03you have to put in your you have to pick
0:57:04a pick a name pick like a cute nickname
0:57:07for yourself
0:57:08get 30 days free but then you know but
0:57:11then we're just gonna suck 15 dollars
0:57:13out of your life for the rest of your
0:57:15life I was like there's got to be a
0:57:17better way and so I went on the internet
0:57:20and I was like I want to watch this for
0:57:22free how do i watch this for free and I
0:57:23oh I never do this and I hate to do it
0:57:25hunc is always awful it says good odds
0:57:27with how you approach this industry but
0:57:30I found a place where and I think it had
0:57:32Japanese subtitles
0:57:34something this sounds legit started
0:57:37watching this movie and I was just like
0:57:39oh it was you know you think there's no
0:57:42new Beatles news Under the Sun there's
0:57:44no new footage there's no new stories
0:57:46you've heard it all you know every
0:57:48cliche backwards and forwards chapter
0:57:49and verse it's so wonderful when you
0:57:51discover that there's more Beatle stuff
0:57:54and great Beatles stuff like all this
0:57:58live footage the cleaned up audio and
0:58:01you can hear how great they are live and
0:58:04when they did that sound great to
0:58:05themselves they couldn't ring ring go
0:58:07could not hear anything but here it
0:58:09couldn't hear a thing but they hear but
0:58:11there they are and then about halfway
0:58:13through watching this thing it stops oh
0:58:16no and I go try to refresh it and it's
0:58:19gone like I am watching some pirate shit
0:58:22as it's being taken down it's like it's
0:58:26like the the light of another Sun and by
0:58:28the time he gets here that that sounds
0:58:29actually dead that Sun was gone right I
0:58:31was just watching the I was watching the
0:58:33master nice might have been dead when
0:58:35you started watching it it's right the
0:58:36dying embers of I mean I heard millions
0:58:38of souls cry out and all were
0:58:40extinguished at once
0:58:41seven seven sided lighthouse made of
0:58:43dreams right that's right so that's no
0:58:47moon mmm you know what I'm saying
0:58:49wasn't it sad though I mean it's you
0:58:52just feel the melancholy I so much
0:58:53there's so much Beatles news this week
0:58:55I'm currently reading a book called
0:58:57Beatles 66 and it's an entire book
0:59:00length book all about starting really in
0:59:03December 65 it's the length of a book
0:59:05yeah it's a whole book about what
0:59:07happens with the Beatles in 1966 great
0:59:09year for the beetle which is easily the
0:59:11most interesting really the most
0:59:12interesting Beatles year and just in
0:59:13short that means it's basically Rubber
0:59:16Soul comes out to getting December 65
0:59:18they do a small tour in the UK they take
0:59:21three months off which if you know the
0:59:26Beatles and go look at some of the
0:59:27infographics on the Beatles that
0:59:29happened I think once period this is
0:59:32this where they went down to the islands
0:59:33they were in Greece in pre Maharishi I
0:59:36believe but I haven't got that part of
0:59:38the book yet but it's the thing to know
0:59:40is that a lot of their interests as
0:59:43individuals developed during this period
0:59:45they didn't have the same haircut
0:59:46anymore etc etc I mean there's
0:59:47lots of what those three months to come
0:59:49back they record revolver they release
0:59:51revolver they do a little at this point
0:59:54now so now they're done touring they're
0:59:56done touring at this point and then they
0:59:57start recording Sergeant Pepper at the
0:59:59end of the year
0:59:59end of the year
1:00:00along with lots of life stuff I mean
1:00:02Paul and John's relationships break up
1:00:04Jon meets Yoko Ringo meets Charlie
1:00:07Chaplin there's all these things that
1:00:09happen there's questions about what the
1:00:10next movie can and should be I mean
1:00:12these are things were today this all
1:00:13seems normal because you're used to help
1:00:15pop culture and culture works back then
1:00:17the idea of the most popular and
1:00:19successful band in the world is gonna
1:00:21stop touring like that's what rock music
1:00:24is rock and roll rock and roll is
1:00:26touring putting out records touring
1:00:27putting out records who do you think you
1:00:30are what are you you know Leonard
1:00:31Bernstein you're gonna sit around and
1:00:33write songs about love like get out
1:00:34there mean amok ciao yeah that's right
1:00:36but then the idea that like they
1:00:38wouldn't just jump into an ill-advised
1:00:40third movie when they didn't like the
1:00:41script there's all these things that
1:00:43they did were people like well this is
1:00:44it
1:00:44put a fork in them finally finally the
1:00:46Beatles are going to be exposed for the
1:00:48frauds that they are there's a career
1:00:51there are little things a fluke
1:00:53you got read reviews of Rubber Soul in
1:00:55like an enemy and melody maker and like
1:00:57has kind of a nice song and it's you
1:00:59know in my life is like oh it has like a
1:01:01nice piano melody but you know none but
1:01:03it's finally over yep this is it I mean
1:01:05really these guys they they the songs
1:01:08know where man is so repetitious fool on
1:01:10a hill like look that just this they
1:01:12tried you know it's swinging to miss
1:01:14next man please mm-hmm
1:01:16sorry so anyway 1966 but in this case it
1:01:20wasn't it heartbreaking though you know
1:01:21that for years they were playing
1:01:23sometimes three shows a day they like in
1:01:25Liverpool they would play a a lunchtime
1:01:27show at the Cavern Club and then to
1:01:29evening shows at different venues they
1:01:31were for a time playing up to three at
1:01:33least three like gigs a day
1:01:35I think they honestly legitimately did
1:01:37love it and then they become successful
1:01:39and now it's the worst it's like it's
1:01:42like they're trying to swim around in
1:01:43jello it's so not rock and roll I mean
1:01:48it is rock and roll to the audience like
1:01:49oh my god and we've been watching so
1:01:50much because I told you last night we
1:01:51watched a hard day's night and my
1:01:53daughters request that's such a great
1:01:54that iconic you just look at a
1:01:55silhouette of those four guys and I
1:01:57explained the appalls over on the left
1:01:58because you know he's left-handed and
1:02:01that makes this stage set up like so
1:02:03iconic it is the a conic but you show a
1:02:05silhouette of the four Beatles with
1:02:08wrinkled up on the drum riser you
1:02:09instant there's no question in your mind
1:02:11who those four people originally were
1:02:14then they can't laugh is not fun life is
1:02:17not fun life is pulling teeth they feel
1:02:19like they're treading water they're
1:02:20musically they feel like they're moving
1:02:21backward musically I'm confused what
1:02:25role did Charlie Chaplin play in the
1:02:27breakup of the Beatles not the breakup
1:02:29of the Beatles since is 66 this is just
1:02:32from the first chapter of this book
1:02:33explaining why this was such a momentous
1:02:34year it's just in the service of saying
1:02:36that really the short version is that
1:02:39from depending on when you start
1:02:40counting let's say 62 through 65 it was
1:02:44just a non-stop series of escalating
1:02:47craziness as you saw in that documentary
1:02:49they were increasingly I mean you you
1:02:52already know like oh the Beatles
1:02:54couldn't walk around cuz you know young
1:02:55people would chase them like everybody
1:02:57knew is that you've seen a hard day's
1:02:58night that was partnered dinner but the
1:02:59truth was their life was unmanageable
1:03:01people were threatened the Ku Klux Klan
1:03:03political groups the people were
1:03:05threatening their lives at this point
1:03:06they could not go anywhere they really
1:03:09really were stuck for guys they're
1:03:11mostly indistinguishable to strangers
1:03:13for identical looking guys who played
1:03:16terrible music and then all the people
1:03:19who wanted to possess them that's what
1:03:21it was and all the only only people in
1:03:22their lives were a handful of like
1:03:24girlfriends and music professionals and
1:03:27so it was the first time since the
1:03:29Beatles got anywhere near popular that
1:03:31they had any air at all to go and
1:03:32develop new interests you know go get
1:03:34into you know Stockhausen or go out and
1:03:37get into like whatever it is go out and
1:03:38discover these things that would become
1:03:40hugely important in the giant middle
1:03:43phase of the Beatles well I'm sorry I'm
1:03:45talking a lot because it's such a big
1:03:46Beatles week what struck me about that
1:03:50documentary I mean there were 50 things
1:03:53that struck me about hard but one of the
1:03:56interesting things that it just that had
1:03:58never been had never been shown to me in
1:04:01exactly that way was how much the
1:04:05phenomenon of the Beatles was
1:04:08registering as world historical to the
1:04:12people of the time like the the
1:04:16journalists were saying this is an
1:04:19unprecedented crowd of people this has
1:04:22never happened before no one has ever no
1:04:25one expected this
1:04:27right no one knows what to do about this
1:04:29this this sense of that that guy that
1:04:32followed them on tour who you know his
1:04:33boss said you want to go out with the
1:04:35Beatles he was like no why would I want
1:04:37to do that that seems like a dumb thing
1:04:39why are you sending me a seasoned
1:04:41reporter on this dumb junket and then
1:04:43two weeks in he's like I'm basically I
1:04:46am living out the most extraordinary
1:04:50event in the 20th century and this is
1:04:52this is what uh 20 years after the end
1:04:56of World War two most adults are you
1:05:01know World War two is going to be their
1:05:02formative tentpole moment for the 20th
1:05:05century but this is like something above
1:05:09and beyond what anybody could have ever
1:05:10seen or known what to do and and that
1:05:13hearing those voices and realizing that
1:05:17from inside it I mean they were we you
1:05:22always see the picture you know that
1:05:23that like yeah there's never been a
1:05:25Beatles before right like Beatle mania
1:05:26sure it's but we're we're all post
1:05:29beetles and to to hear those people
1:05:32talking having been pre Beatles and now
1:05:36being like trying to make sense of it it
1:05:39was so thrilling but also just
1:05:42terrifying because it had never happened
1:05:44before and so who wants to keep that
1:05:48tonight tonight being the night that
1:05:50that everybody dies right I mean every
1:05:53seconds you felt even even taking into
1:05:55account whatever Johnny rays and Frank
1:05:57Sinatra's of the past it felt it felt
1:05:59unprecedented it felt weird so once it
1:06:02started it seemed really exceptional
1:06:05once it escalated it seemed even more
1:06:07uncanny once it went to like 10 times
1:06:10that people like well this has to end
1:06:12like so it really becomes the in a
1:06:14relatively short you were talking about
1:06:15like a year and a half or less you go
1:06:18from like they had a small single with
1:06:20like love me do if you like a year ago I
1:06:22think let me do have like 18 months
1:06:24between when it first came out and like
1:06:25when they really caught on they're a
1:06:27popular band but there are tons of
1:06:29popular big beat bands they call them
1:06:30Merseybeat bands but then the entire
1:06:33time you're a grown up it's like it's
1:06:35not so different for the condition I
1:06:36have today where I'm just going like
1:06:37okay it's another day how long can this
1:06:39go
1:06:40on can this this there's no way this can
1:06:43go on in another week let alone another
1:06:44month talking about something different
1:06:46here but think back then if you're one
1:06:47of the burgers and Meister's like you
1:06:49just be going like there's no way this
1:06:50can continue this has got to be exposed
1:06:52as a fraud and blow up in a shower of
1:06:54sparks yeah yeah yeah right Oh or
1:06:57something awful is going to happen you
1:07:00know like it like people are going to
1:07:02die
1:07:03there's just no we we didn't prepare it
1:07:06was only because it was an era of
1:07:08greater civility that people didn't die
1:07:12because they you know there were 25 cops
1:07:15and all of a sudden there are 25,000
1:07:19people there and they just didn't have
1:07:21the if the crowd had been unruly or less
1:07:25rouille
1:07:27you know they could have just stormed
1:07:28the storm the doors or whatever it was
1:07:31that you see all those scenes where
1:07:32there's like 10 bobbies holding hands
1:07:34with their hats getting knocked off and
1:07:36they're like you know no stay back
1:07:39but effect but that's effective right
1:07:42the ten bobbies holding their hands and
1:07:43the girls are like well we can't cross
1:07:45the police line right now you know it
1:07:48would have been I mean everyone would
1:07:50everyone would have would have been I
1:07:52mean it's astonishing to think no one
1:07:55was crushed to death and nobody was
1:07:57thinking about and improvised explosive
1:08:00device right no none of those Ku Klux
1:08:02Klan guys actually did ride in and ran
1:08:05burn the place to the ground
1:08:06and and you know and these four
1:08:09ding-a-lings are riding the crest of
1:08:11this wave and you know and it's so
1:08:15lovely to see that they did have each
1:08:17other in those in those years and they
1:08:19did have that sort of I I didn't know
1:08:22about thee about the fact that they had
1:08:24they decided internally that they were
1:08:26absolutely democratic and if one if one
1:08:30Beatle didn't want to do something then
1:08:32they wouldn't do it
1:08:33and I just thought that was that was a
1:08:36miracle I couldn't I I couldn't fathom
1:08:39that they actually made all the
1:08:41decisions that they made from 63 or 61
1:08:46to to whenever you know that the
1:08:49decision to stop touring was just like
1:08:51George saying
1:08:53I can't do this anymore and they were
1:08:55all like right right sure
1:08:57done and that's like that's so lovely
1:09:00and considering like how fast that all
1:09:02fell apart and by two years later they
1:09:04couldn't stand to be in the room with
1:09:05each other but yeah imagine imagine
1:09:10having them it's all damming through
1:09:11this either bad you know right they're
1:09:14young they're in their early 20s they're
1:09:15they are very young their life is
1:09:17changing very very quickly and yeah I
1:09:19mean that's the thing is when you look
1:09:20at the stuff and you look at the the
1:09:22pictures in the movies and everything we
1:09:24feel you know we're so nerd toward
1:09:26toward those images but they were they
1:09:28were living that this was all new to
1:09:29them and they didn't know where was
1:09:30going to go either
1:09:31they basically it was understood the
1:09:33question they would get in almost every
1:09:35interview was okay so this is clearly
1:09:37this is gonna end soon what are you
1:09:38gonna do John and Paul would say well
1:09:40we'll probably be songwriters and it was
1:09:41generally I'm just quoting this book at
1:09:43this point Beatles 66 is the oh well you
1:09:45know for Ringo and George whatever money
1:09:47they end up with they should probably
1:09:48invest in business yeah obviously this
1:09:50this will be over with any day now and
1:09:52there are a couple of scenes in the
1:09:53movie where Paul's like well you know I
1:09:55think it'll last another six months and
1:09:57and he's in a rare instance you know
1:10:01being sincere they're not being snarky
1:10:02they're like yeah I know you know who it
1:10:05can't last right right like this is
1:10:07madness oh poor Beatles horrible this
1:10:12week so much so I was so the Beatle 66
1:10:17thing highly recommended
1:10:19I had heard I just want to stipulate I
1:10:22really liked the band The Beatles um
1:10:25Sergeant Pepper on a good day is my
1:10:29fourth favorite Beatles album probably
1:10:32is like I would cite and the top ones
1:10:35change but Rubber Soul revolver white
1:10:38album Rubber Soul revolver white album
1:10:42are always going to be to me jockeying
1:10:45for top position and then you get down
1:10:47into like with the Beatles or Abbey Road
1:10:51but like you know surgeon peppers
1:10:55hasn't aged well - there's a lot of
1:10:59rubber sole is 51 years old and still
1:11:02sounds like they're inventing a new kind
1:11:05of music and obviously revolver I think
1:11:06is I don't know fight me it's the best
1:11:08album revolver is well I mean I've all I
1:11:12want to say is that its conventional
1:11:14wisdom I feel like this I don't know if
1:11:17it started with this but I I feel like
1:11:19the 25th anniversary whenever that was
1:11:22of twenty years because it was twenty
1:11:25years ago today so I guess that would be
1:11:2790s or 87 rather there's this whole like
1:11:30all you know Sergeant Pepper there would
1:11:32be no this and that without Sergeant
1:11:34Pepper and they were definitely know the
1:11:36Beach Boys and the Beatles were playing
1:11:37off each other at the apex and there
1:11:39would not be psychedelia there would not
1:11:40be multitrack like I it is I try to
1:11:43stipulate it's a good album and it's got
1:11:45some great songs it's a gestalt album no
1:11:48no I accept and understand the
1:11:50importance of Sergeant Pepper there are
1:11:52so many other albums I would put on
1:11:54first so I just wanted to just want to
1:11:57prepare you for my adulation here by
1:11:58saying that's my position on Sergeant
1:12:00Pepper would you like to share your
1:12:01position on Sergeant Pepper
1:12:04so I also AM ace my feeling has always
1:12:10been that Sergeant Pepper is a little
1:12:13bit of a mixed bag of fruit and there's
1:12:18a lot of stuff on there that yeah III
1:12:21don't go back to over and over obviously
1:12:24there are some great songs and obviously
1:12:25it's the Beatles and every song is great
1:12:27yeah well like do you come home from
1:12:29working at the bar and put put on for
1:12:31the benefit of mr. kite hmm typically no
1:12:33yeah but um and and you know in it and
1:12:38it foreshadowed a lot of the stuff on
1:12:39the White Album that is kind of like you
1:12:45know a little bit a little bit
1:12:47responding to what I imagine is what
1:12:50they think is the culture in you know in
1:12:55downtown London that I mean you know you
1:12:57those guys are still young guys and so
1:13:03I think sensitive to being called a
1:13:10you-know-what at the point at which the
1:13:12Beatles became an epithet that the cool
1:13:16art kids would use to describe something
1:13:20that was cheesy or for teens I think the
1:13:24Beatles themselves were really sensitive
1:13:26to that and and really a lot of the the
1:13:29exploratory nature of their later work
1:13:31was both driven by their own sort of
1:13:35desire to to be uh to not be static but
1:13:40also you know we can't know what it's
1:13:42like for them to go out to some club in
1:13:44London and have hipsters sneer at them
1:13:48it was in a really different culture and
1:13:50time the music the music magazines were
1:13:52very important back then and like
1:13:53anybody who's ever going to abandon
1:13:54England you get frustrated with the
1:13:55press because they got their own thing
1:13:56going on but unlike today where you
1:13:59might more easily be criticized for
1:14:00being unsophisticated back then it would
1:14:03just be article after article about how
1:14:04their days are up because they think
1:14:06they've forgotten how to make a catchy
1:14:07song and so they were trying all this
1:14:09like putting a sitar on stuff which they
1:14:11described as an Arabian guitar in the
1:14:13press like they they were the Beatles
1:14:17were two or three steps ahead of the
1:14:19entire mainstream in that way and the
1:14:22music was described I'm getting quoting
1:14:24this book I don't have in front of me
1:14:25but I remember very clearly their music
1:14:27was became described as dark starting
1:14:30around Rubber Soul although I think you
1:14:31really could uh
1:14:33Beatles for secretary feels resale is
1:14:35very dark yeah you can hear it and help
1:14:37oh god yes and like but they but they
1:14:40but dark considered dark in an industry
1:14:42where promoting good feelings is the
1:14:46stock-in-trade so it was considered like
1:14:48these guys have really lost the thread
1:14:49on what they're doing here well so
1:14:52there's that but there's also all those
1:14:53I mean you think about like the John
1:14:58Mayall & the Bluesbreakers or that that
1:15:01whole movement of events even the stones
1:15:04like there's so much cooler than the
1:15:05Beatles
1:15:06yeah just happening I get sixties in
1:15:08England where it was like you know oh
1:15:10we're not we're not making this like pop
1:15:12music we're playing the Blues we're
1:15:14serious white British dudes playing the
1:15:16blue
1:15:17and whatever else you know that they
1:15:19were under all that social pressure
1:15:21people doing avant-garde dance
1:15:25performances and whatnot and the Beatles
1:15:27are trying to be on the vanguard of
1:15:30everything because of who they are you
1:15:33know they want to be they don't want to
1:15:35I mean that was that that was what was
1:15:37so profound about that about Dylan at
1:15:40Royal Albert Hall and the effect that
1:15:42that had on John just that they went to
1:15:46see Dylan and you could hear a pin drop
1:15:48and John was like why don't people
1:15:51listen to us like that like that that
1:15:54feeling that he could get up there by
1:15:55himself and be so serious so respected
1:16:00so unimpeachable and I mean then again
1:16:05Dylan is another phenomenon where you go
1:16:08well there's never going to be another
1:16:10one of those I mean imagine imagine what
1:16:13it would be like to be somebody that
1:16:15that really was unimpeachable for for
1:16:20unimpeachable to all the people that you
1:16:22desperately as an artist want to be
1:16:24unimpeachable to that's the crazy thing
1:16:26I mean there were the plenty of critics
1:16:28of Dylan but all of the but none of the
1:16:31critics of Dylan were the people that
1:16:32Dylan cared about it would be almost
1:16:34like at a time when there were comic
1:16:37strips in the paper it would almost be
1:16:38like there was a comic strip that got
1:16:40really popular and then it got popular
1:16:41with your smart friends and pretty soon
1:16:43it was generally agreed to not only be
1:16:45the most important comic strip of all
1:16:47time but one of the great works of
1:16:48literature we be going how could how
1:16:51could a comic strip in the paper be one
1:16:54of the greatest pieces of literature
1:16:55that's antithetical these are pop groups
1:16:57these are pop that's the other thing the
1:16:59Beatles did not call themselves a rock
1:17:00band they called themselves a pop group
1:17:02they were a product in a lot of ways for
1:17:05the beginning of their career who would
1:17:06look at them we're doing like this guy
1:17:07what folk music is going to become this
1:17:09really important thing folk music come
1:17:11on this is 1961 guys break up right it's
1:17:15not 1935 and yes sorry ma kettle is not
1:17:18going to be on the charts and then there
1:17:20and there it is I as an artist as
1:17:23somebody working in this in this
1:17:26vernacular you know you you always want
1:17:30to be the you desperately want to be the
1:17:33band that not only that everybody loves
1:17:35but even more importantly that everybody
1:17:37respects and and you see you see artists
1:17:41throughout time that kind of come out
1:17:44with a thing people love it they respect
1:17:47it and then there's there's two ways you
1:17:50can go right you can be respected and
1:17:52then your popularity falls off or you
1:17:55can be popular and your respectability
1:17:57falls off but those few sorry it's so
1:18:00rare data to obtain and sustain both
1:18:04it's very unusual stay up on that Ridge
1:18:07and also step on that Ridge and seam and
1:18:11make it seem like it's effortless you
1:18:13know Dylan did everything he could to
1:18:15dislodge himself and all it did was put
1:18:18him put him back up there and and you
1:18:22know and you think about like the Eagles
1:18:24who were one of the most successful
1:18:25bands in history and desperately craved
1:18:28critical acknowledgement which they
1:18:30which you know the critics just denied
1:18:32them and you think about I mean even
1:18:35bands of our of our age the The Strokes
1:18:38that first strokes record like everybody
1:18:41loved it but they weren't able to
1:18:43maintain it they couldn't stay up there
1:18:47somehow they and I think it was you know
1:18:50it was a big big factor in Harvey
1:18:53dangers kind of Harvey danger was
1:18:57motivated by a desire to be respected by
1:19:00the music critics much more than they
1:19:02were by desire to be internationally
1:19:05famous and you know those those
1:19:08pressures really took their toll on
1:19:10those guys um and Death Cab for Cutie
1:19:14you know my my pals who have who have
1:19:17done this career where they I think
1:19:21worked very hard to get this to get on
1:19:25this particular Ridge that they're on
1:19:27which is that their critical appraisal
1:19:30and their fan and the passion of their
1:19:33fans has remained constant throughout
1:19:34their career always growing at a steady
1:19:37pace you know they've never
1:19:39made a record that the critic said this
1:19:41is the you know they've lost it they've
1:19:44never really lost their fans but they've
1:19:47never they've also never like hit the at
1:19:50the big time considering how long their
1:19:52career has gone like by this point and I
1:19:55mean the death caps been a band for 20
1:19:57years um yeah I don't listen him to them
1:20:01for 18 years that means when I started
1:20:03listening to Death Cab for Cutie a baby
1:20:06born on that day would now be getting
1:20:08ready for college Yeah right
1:20:11I know exactly right or I mean if if if
1:20:14it was a par if you overlaid our EMS
1:20:17career onto Death Cab for Cutie's career
1:20:19we're into the 2000s in the REM canons
1:20:22right Wow
1:20:23so so Death Cab could have at any point
1:20:26along that way had a record that was
1:20:29their automatic for the people and they
1:20:31never have but by the same token they've
1:20:33never they've never like had a record
1:20:36where it was like well you've had a
1:20:39couple of million sellers and then the
1:20:40next one sold a hundred thousand copies
1:20:42well they don't have a den in self
1:20:44portrait yeah our Metal Machine music
1:20:46they never they never went crazy or been
1:20:50different version of Metal Machine music
1:20:51you know I know it you never you never
1:20:53know you never know what comes I can see
1:20:55Chris wallet and that maybe but for me
1:20:58you know the the the desire to be
1:21:02critically loved is so powerful even
1:21:06even if you sit with your friends and
1:21:08this is what all artists do they said
1:21:10make it wow they don't know anything but
1:21:12you know the critics are all black you
1:21:14know the shit-talking critics is number
1:21:17one thing you do on a Saturday afternoon
1:21:18with your musician friends but you also
1:21:21just want like I for some reason I don't
1:21:25know what happened I went and looked at
1:21:27pitchforks top albums of 2002 mm or mm
1:21:33yeah I don't know why why would you look
1:21:35at that that's a strange way I don't
1:21:36even occur to you to look at I know it
1:21:38was weird it's weird I'm going by what
1:21:40they thought about that year also create
1:21:41just looking I was just looking folks
1:21:43dreams I think and I just got isn't it's
1:21:45just checking out 2002 just look back
1:21:47then looking to see what and you know
1:21:49the number
1:21:50album pitchforks number one album of
1:21:522002 was Interpol's turn on the bright
1:21:55lights love will tear us apart and you
1:22:00know and there were there were a lot of
1:22:01bands in the top 20 that that I don't
1:22:04think anybody's heard of since
1:22:06ml knows by the trail of dead
1:22:09oh yeah Arctic Snow Patrol monkeys its
1:22:11way up there sure
1:22:12sure the Arctic snow patrol monkeys were
1:22:15were there I get I get it maybe a Franz
1:22:18Ferdinand maybe you get a dog's die in
1:22:20hot cars what do you get I think maybe
1:22:22those even those came a year later okay
1:22:24um you know you get some shins you get
1:22:28some gonna be born on occurs but uh oh
1:22:32yeah that would be like a blown speakers
1:22:34era maybe New Pornographers pitchfork
1:22:382002 elmo's or is they called them then
1:22:41LPS LPS 2002 LPS can't here we go songs
1:22:45Ohio songs Ohio that was a great record
1:22:48actually yep okay line from Sonic Youth
1:22:53mm-hmm yeah no oh then no twist I always
1:22:57forget the name of that band I like the
1:22:59new DOS list yeah kill the moonlight
1:23:01very good especially when you listen to
1:23:02it backwards that is a good good record
1:23:04girls can tell is better trail of dead
1:23:09bleeps and bloops Yankee Hotel Oh Yankee
1:23:13Hotel Foxtrot that was the one I really
1:23:14shook my fist at yeah really
1:23:16at the time you like the more tinsel
1:23:18ones well no I felt like that I felt
1:23:20like the long winters uh worst you can
1:23:23do is harm oh that's right you had that
1:23:25album come out around that time the
1:23:26worst you can do is harm ya just
1:23:28wouldn't believe me that that just wants
1:23:30in Italy coincidentally uh and if you
1:23:34know I felt like if you put a worse you
1:23:36can do is harm an Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
1:23:38side-by-side yeah you know there I mean
1:23:43I you know I'm probably the not the one
1:23:46to ask
1:23:46I really feel those I feel like the long
1:23:49winters uh record holds its own in that
1:23:52competition yeah but one of them was all
1:23:55anybody could talk about and the other
1:23:57one was not
1:23:57talked about the last trip but on here
1:24:01all covered by all music guide yeah paul
1:24:04music i did a nice guy was hard on the
1:24:06first one right they were yeah they
1:24:10didn't undertake no on it and and they
1:24:15were wrong you know but uh but you know
1:24:19a review like that goes out and it just
1:24:21hangs there for years he Travis Morrison
1:24:23yeah that's right
1:24:24um have you I realize in spring this on
1:24:28you late and I I'm thinking we should
1:24:29make this homework for the next episode
1:24:31have you had an opportunity to listen to
1:24:32the remix of Sergeant Pepper yet no I
1:24:37would like to if you don't have it I
1:24:39would like to gift you with that and if
1:24:41the stereo remix or a mono well that
1:24:47part is that part of the story George
1:24:48Martin in his later years was having a
1:24:50lot of trouble with his hearing and he
1:24:52brought in his son who has done lots of
1:24:53production stuff to be as he says his
1:24:55ears and they work together on love a
1:24:57long story short um uh shoot what's his
1:25:01name a Clive was George Martin's son's
1:25:03name I'm totally spaced um but a son
1:25:05Martin Martin Hannett um emmerich
1:25:10ethanol Masterson Tiger Woods Masterson
1:25:15marnik matches insider woods Wow you
1:25:18know what they did they went in Janet
1:25:20Janet Martin Janet Janet Martin Maher
1:25:22way mole shauna malwae-tweep
1:25:26Martin Martin and Martin on the tame
1:25:29they camels upon Martin bucket uh they
1:25:36went in and they got they got I guess
1:25:38they got the source tracks that became
1:25:41this is the pre bounced down what tracks
1:25:45I forget those alone I don't know cuz I
1:25:49can't believe no one ever thought to do
1:25:51this before now take all the original
1:25:54stuff no there's this what yeah what
1:25:57come on they got all of that stuff you
1:26:00trying to kid well no come on
1:26:02yeah and then they they remixed it with
1:26:05the idea of saying here's the problem
1:26:06you take something like a day in the
1:26:08life the the drum sounds at the
1:26:10beginning
1:26:11dan like don't bump bump like the mono
1:26:15version everything that blah blah blah
1:26:16good research beetles nerds preferences
1:26:19on stereo vs. mono the true story is
1:26:21that for most of the Beals career they
1:26:23were heavily involved with George Martin
1:26:25in the production of the mono but like
1:26:28increasingly they would go like man you
1:26:29just go do something for the stereo so
1:26:32they could be actually kind of different
1:26:33versions with different parts you hear
1:26:34different things and a lot of times the
1:26:36stereo was really just ring goes over
1:26:37here on the right Ringo Impala over here
1:26:39nobody else is over here is pretty
1:26:40simple and and there's for a long time
1:26:43but understanding that like boy you know
1:26:44essentially what they did was they said
1:26:46we want to make a 3d stereo sounding mix
1:26:49that's got the propulsion and fullness
1:26:52of the mono version and you're going to
1:26:54hear low-end like you have never heard
1:26:56before I don't wanna spoil it for you I
1:26:59would just I would like if you would
1:27:00please to consider and we will put this
1:27:02in the budget for the show so here's
1:27:04what you get you're gonna get you're
1:27:05gonna get this you're gonna get the new
1:27:07remixed Sergeant Pepper but that's not
1:27:09all but that's not all if you buy two
1:27:11and pay a separate fee huh you um it
1:27:15also includes whatever take they used of
1:27:18the base track unadorned hmm so you know
1:27:24you're gonna hear what it sounded like
1:27:26and you nerds have been able to get
1:27:28these in the various trucks and back
1:27:31corners for a while but I think that a
1:27:32lot of time on YouTube listening to this
1:27:34stuff if I can what I got I mean I went
1:27:37pretty deep into the like oh the MS FL
1:27:39AB it's kind of revolver and all these
1:27:42different versions and I had all the
1:27:43stereo in all the mono I'm just saying
1:27:45like once you sat down I on Saturday I
1:27:47listened to Sergeant Pepper probably for
1:27:51the first time my life I listened to
1:27:53Sergeant Pepper three times in one day
1:27:54can VIN I listen to the bass tracks and
1:27:56it's a new album and I'm gonna leave it
1:27:58at that would you consider doing this
1:28:00for homework yeah I will do this I'll do
1:28:02and then we'll come back next week and
1:28:03amongst our other topics we will talk
1:28:05about the 1967 album sergeant pepper's
1:28:09Lonely Hearts Club Band all right
1:28:14can't wait can't wait to can't wait to
1:28:17to dig into this because as you know I
1:28:19like the Beatles yeah me too
1:28:21I think I'm ready to reappraise this it
1:28:23sounds like The White Album in a good
1:28:25way if you think Liam tracks just
1:28:28floating around for the other albums
1:28:30good question the thing is it's sort of
1:28:33like John Syracuse's position on the New
1:28:35START Star Wars uh you know the updated
1:28:38editions
1:28:38it's like Empire Strikes Back is
1:28:40actually not very marred whereas the
1:28:43first Star Wars movie is just massacred
1:28:45I'm guessing that's what it's like I bet
1:28:47you know revolver sounds pretty great
1:28:49yeah but if they exist I will kick start
1:28:52the shit out of that get in there and do
1:28:53this for every one of these albums oh my
1:28:56god what is his name it feel terrible
1:28:58now but you want George Martin to be at
1:29:00the helm the day that George Martin
1:29:02isn't helming the thing then it just
1:29:05becomes Lyle's Martin and he's so
1:29:08specifically though yes he's going to
1:29:09keep in mind what his father would do
1:29:11but even more importantly he's going to
1:29:13ask the two living beatles and going to
1:29:15try to infer what the other Beatles
1:29:16would want its retrying to do it in the
1:29:18spirit of what they would want to deal
1:29:20with this ask the living Beatle ask the
1:29:23living Beatles I just wish that I wish
1:29:27that Paul was more trustworthy you you
1:29:31have not directly super directly
1:29:32addressed this you have some credibility
1:29:35issues with Paul McCartney
1:29:36sir sir sir mr. Lord Paul McCartney yes
1:29:39and will you you parse you parse hard on
1:29:42Anna McCartney quote I just yeah I just
1:29:44I'm just I'm hoping that Paul just
1:29:48hoping that Paul does the right thing
1:29:50here Paula at this point is probably
1:29:52overwritten a lot of the original tape
1:29:54in his mind that's what I'm worried
1:29:56about he might have done he might have
1:29:58done too many punches and like there's
1:29:59just stuff that he remembers a version
1:30:01of it that he started telling slightly
1:30:03differently in 1972 and he's kind of
1:30:05operating off of that broken bit of tape
1:30:07yeah I'm just I'm just afraid that it's
1:30:10you know I mean what was his thing where
1:30:13he was like I don't see what's not cool
1:30:15McCartney linen Oh Lucy knew for the
1:30:17Bob's your uncle
1:30:18please I know and actually the credits
1:30:21that has been that has been corrected
1:30:22what it's now McCartney Lennon some-some
1:30:25that basically a credit has
1:30:27a portion based on contribution and I'm
1:30:31trying to remember I don't have the hard
1:30:32copy I've got the streaming version on
1:30:34Apple music but yeah yes Moseley is
1:30:37actually good for Giles Martin good
1:30:39Giles Giles you know it's good for Giles
1:30:42everybody's got to earn a living
1:30:43mmm-hmm that's what they say yeah John's
1:30:46Martin's 47 there's a 47 year old guy
1:30:48producing Beatles albums now mr. presser
1:30:51that's it the junker than you write just
1:30:54barely just barely yeah so I let them
1:30:56pick me