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Ep. 246: "Night Burrito"

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0:00:04hello hi John

0:00:07hi Merlin has gone super good sir Lee

0:00:13oh nice just barely had time to splash

0:00:19some water on my face and eat half of a

0:00:22cold sausage hmm it's kind of Dickensian

0:00:26hmm please sir they have some more cold

0:00:31sausage hmm careful what you ask for

0:00:35with the Jew Fagin okay here's a

0:00:41question for you yes this is probably

0:00:43actually a question for Don Schaffner no

0:00:46I'm happy to speculate how long can you

0:00:52leave up like a pan of cold grease on

0:00:56the stove before the grease goes bad

0:01:00before it gets rancid

0:01:03strictly speaking as always it won't

0:01:06thinking there's two angles here one

0:01:08angle is that like you made some lamb or

0:01:12something okay well how many days is it

0:01:15before you really want to be careful

0:01:16that you don't put your spoon in there

0:01:18and accidentally lick it well I don't

0:01:20think it's I don't think it's gonna go

0:01:22bad in the sense of it was hazardous

0:01:25like you wouldn't want to like pour that

0:01:27into a coffee cup and then like you know

0:01:28drink out of it I'm not sure that

0:01:30hazardous is the is the standard I think

0:01:33it is more it's more taste whether it

0:01:35becomes because you know butter sits out

0:01:38it never did it's not gonna get where's

0:01:40my part - my part - was that like I'm

0:01:43used grease I'll reuse I'll reuse some

0:01:45grease all uh si I've recently moved to

0:01:48lard and as when I use the hell out of

0:01:50some grease yeah exactly I think that

0:01:51used to be like a tradition and we used

0:01:53to keep it I remember in the later parts

0:01:55of my youth we kept um we would pour

0:01:58bacon grease into a coffee can Moses so

0:02:01we could throw it out but I think I

0:02:02suspect that had its origins in we're

0:02:04gonna put this in here and then reuse it

0:02:05oh yeah for real

0:02:07what was so yeah they my mom always had

0:02:12didn't just throw perfectly good grease

0:02:14away my good pal Bob wood up in Alaska

0:02:20easy down the mo with the mom

0:02:22Bob had the mom she lifted a bookcase

0:02:26this may be our and drank laps on sushi

0:02:29T yep that's right that's Bob's mom got

0:02:32your cut I love MA here so good bye good

0:02:36yeah yeah

0:02:38Oh Bob wood used to keep you know he had

0:02:41a big he had like a like a 10 gauge or a

0:02:4412 gauge cast-iron pan that he left on

0:02:47the stove at all times and it always had

0:02:50an inch of grease in it serve you know

0:02:52maybe not an inch but like a blue cover

0:02:55the bottom though no no thicker than

0:02:57that yeah you know it was like a it was

0:02:59let's say between a centimeter and a

0:03:01half an inch of of bacon grease was

0:03:05always sir coagulated in this pan and

0:03:07when when he would because he you know

0:03:09all these guys up in Alaska they're all

0:03:10fishermen he would get some five pounds

0:03:15of halibut cheeks or something some guy

0:03:16would come into town and he'd be like

0:03:18hey Bob I'll trade you five pounds of

0:03:20halibut cheeks for two gold pans and a

0:03:21pickaxe and so that's why I was

0:03:26interested in the community yeah yeah

0:03:28Bob would have all this fish all of a

0:03:31sudden and so he'd throw the halibut

0:03:33cheeks in the in the bacon grease and

0:03:38cook em right he wouldn't just throw

0:03:40them in there and leave him there for

0:03:41the afternoon he heated up snot

0:03:43coronating them no he's cooking them and

0:03:47they were the bet you know that's the

0:03:49best way to cook fish of course is

0:03:51flash-fried and some hot bacon grease

0:03:52and then he would turn the the studied

0:03:55turn the the gas off and then the grease

0:03:58would just stay there he would pluck the

0:04:00fish out it's not like you ever the

0:04:02grease was just there and so I never I

0:04:06wasn't living with Bob I never said like

0:04:08how often do you turn this grease around

0:04:12but then I thought about it and a lot of

0:04:14people in Alaska had a pan of grease on

0:04:16the stove so anyway I've been adopting

0:04:19this lately and but I just I need some

0:04:23guidelines

0:04:24because I don't want to be making some

0:04:26classic mistake I don't want it to be

0:04:27one of those situations like you know

0:04:29when I used to drink heavily

0:04:31I'd go out drinking every night and some

0:04:35friend of mine would always come with me

0:04:36and I just assumed that all my friends

0:04:40drank every night when in fact they just

0:04:42really they got super fucked up one

0:04:44night a week with me oh you were there

0:04:48weekend but I was I said right I was

0:04:51there weekend but I was doing it seven

0:04:52nights a week mm-hmm you but I would um

0:04:55pray at this point I was pro and I but I

0:04:57was confused because there was always

0:04:59somebody with me and I figured everybody

0:05:00was doing it

0:05:01but now they all had jobs and I don't

0:05:04want it to be one of those situations

0:05:05where as soon as I leave they dump the

0:05:09grease out but and then I come back and

0:05:12there's a new pot of grease because they

0:05:14made bacon that morning I understand I'm

0:05:15thinking oh shit there's they're just

0:05:17leaving this grease around for for weeks

0:05:19and months and you and one of your

0:05:20despite any other side effects of your

0:05:22profession you I believe you said you

0:05:25never you weren't much of a blackout guy

0:05:27like you would still remember lots of

0:05:29things about what happened Oh me as a

0:05:31yeah no no I never blacked out that's

0:05:33why I'm mentioning again because that's

0:05:34that's quite a performance

0:05:35characteristic that's that's very

0:05:36unusual

0:05:37I didn't blackout and I hardly ever

0:05:39vomited I've just when rare occasions

0:05:42would would vomit but even in those

0:05:44situations I would usually sort of

0:05:46excuse myself from the table go outside

0:05:51vomit like like a rhinoceros would vomit

0:05:58like standing up beer still in hand and

0:06:03then go back in and sit back down at the

0:06:06table and say like where were we

0:06:09it was a great advantage it was a great

0:06:12advantage if that had been a competitive

0:06:14sport you know what I mean like there

0:06:15are people that can run I'm a great

0:06:17vomiter four-minute mile I'm a really

0:06:19gifted vomiter is that right yeah I

0:06:21don't get to use it as much as I would

0:06:22like uh it's I don't know what it is

0:06:24because it's funny it's one of those

0:06:25things where uh you know when you're a

0:06:27kid like obviously to me hypodermic

0:06:29needles were the height of fear

0:06:30hypodermic needles and corporal

0:06:31punishment were the two things I'm most

0:06:32feared I never got the second and I only

0:06:35very occasionally got the first but it

0:06:36was like a guiding principle

0:06:37my life is I don't want to be hurt yet

0:06:39but but you know a far third was

0:06:41probably I didn't want to vomit I little

0:06:43kids don't like to vomit no no at some

0:06:46point and it wasn't even a drinking

0:06:47thing I just at some point I just got

0:06:49really good at vomiting I like I want to

0:06:52let God I just accepted it and I just

0:06:54said this is a thing we're gonna do it

0:06:55I've said this to you before I believe

0:06:57but I think one problem is that people

0:06:58don't like nausea but the nausea just

0:07:01makes them more anxious about vomiting

0:07:02when really want to just get it over

0:07:03with

0:07:03that's what a pro does uh I should have

0:07:06taken that advice a couple of weeks ago

0:07:08I had him I went out got a burrito in

0:07:12Portland Oregon at two o'clock in the

0:07:13morning and night greet him a night

0:07:17burrito and it was you know it was a

0:07:19perfectly respectable place in Portland

0:07:21that I'd been before but it's a you know

0:07:25it's a shabby late night burrito but I

0:07:28got the one that you know I did what I

0:07:31do right I ordered a little bit off menu

0:07:33and even as I was eating it I was like

0:07:36this is the wrong choice not not not

0:07:39because there was anything fishy about

0:07:41the burrito but it was just like this is

0:07:42the wrong choice you don't need to eat

0:07:43this burrito at 2:00 in the morning but

0:07:45you know it's we're party and I'm

0:07:47showing off look what I can do listen

0:07:50it's not like you everybody Subway

0:07:52sandwiches over soon you gonna finish

0:07:56that no I'm not going to finish that

0:08:00we're standing over it super high I took

0:08:06the liberty of ordering one of each of

0:08:08the Subway sandwiches you know they've

0:08:11got 14 I ordered want to be I got a

0:08:13flight of subways and I would say was

0:08:14for the table but there's no table

0:08:16because we're sitting over sewer we're

0:08:17standing on a sewer that's hearing me

0:08:19Jonathan Coulton pollen storm probably

0:08:22uh no drew drew drew his armies yeah I

0:08:28don't think I'm not sure pollen storm

0:08:30you know usually those guys storm likes

0:08:32to stay out late Paul likes to get home

0:08:34back to the hotel he's got things to

0:08:36take care of he does he's got anybody

0:08:39else Drive he wants to Skype home anyway

0:08:43so then the next day I had nausea oh no

0:08:45from your night three toe and all day

0:08:48long I

0:08:49the nausea oh I drove back from Portland

0:08:54to Seattle the entire way just like

0:08:57speeds are sweat just dripping down the

0:09:00sides of my face just like I am I am

0:09:03gonna you know because I have a very

0:09:05good Constitution in the sense that I

0:09:07can eat poisonous food and survive it's

0:09:10like The Princess Bride you've been

0:09:11practicing your whole life our whole

0:09:13life right now is Ida Kane like even

0:09:15you've been taking little bits so that

0:09:17you go up against you know the Sicilian

0:09:19when death is on the line that's right I

0:09:20have I have inured myself to Ida Cain

0:09:23and also to ecoli and also to whatever

0:09:26else we can I can eat I can eat almost

0:09:32anything and I said you know this

0:09:34burrito is not gonna get the better of

0:09:35me

0:09:36so all day I'm just oh I've just feel

0:09:39awful sweat and just blue green around

0:09:42the gills and by the time I get to my

0:09:46house I'm really incapacitated by food

0:09:49poisoning and not acknowledging it and I

0:09:54get into the house and I'm just I have

0:09:55this I guess I I thought of you

0:09:58what would Marilyn do mmm WWF MD mmm PE

0:10:04well Marcus Welby MD let's pull it and

0:10:09uh and so I went into the bathroom and

0:10:12then boy hmm did I did I let fly and and

0:10:16you know I felt uh I felt better I felt

0:10:20no longer that feeling of nausea that's

0:10:22come on it can be a kind of relief cuz

0:10:23you like alright it's finally happening

0:10:24it was except that I think by incubating

0:10:28the food poisoning for an entire day but

0:10:30you know like by will I could have

0:10:32thrown up at 9:00 in the morning you

0:10:34know by spending all day really really

0:10:37really integrating it into my whole

0:10:38corpus well the things when you when

0:10:40you're sick whether you this goes for

0:10:42downstairs basement situations too or

0:10:44upstairs situations is that you are

0:10:47you're there you're going to be there

0:10:50for as long as this thing needs to do

0:10:53what it's going to do there are no there

0:10:54are really not any shortcuts that I'm

0:10:56aware of because like even if you had

0:10:58vomited at 9:00 a.m. that's no guarantee

0:11:00you wouldn't still be vomiting all day

0:11:01long you're

0:11:02writing that initial vomit but it's

0:11:03going to work its way through your

0:11:04system one way or another and you just

0:11:07have to decide in your case you decide

0:11:08to fight it and drive sweaty but yeah

0:11:11that's part of what makes it you're

0:11:12really in its thrall you know you'll get

0:11:15to post bail and get out of nausea well

0:11:17and this is one of the things that I I'm

0:11:22not a hundred percent certain if I

0:11:24didn't make it a thousand times worse to

0:11:26the incubating it incubated and then I

0:11:28was sick for three days which is a lot

0:11:31longer than you should be normally sick

0:11:34on food poisoning right you should be

0:11:35able to kick it in a day but I continued

0:11:38to really struggle and I think it's

0:11:40because you know rather than rather than

0:11:42get this stuff out I let it get in there

0:11:44and just you know set up housekeeping

0:11:46and rent a trailer and you know those

0:11:50guys were I'll cook up utilities and

0:11:52basic cable yep yeah yep they have their

0:11:55did their their dish yes yeah so uh I

0:12:00should have just should have just taken

0:12:02it take you know taking the axe to it

0:12:04let me tell you if there's anything it's

0:12:07dawn and Ben right from from doctor

0:12:09doctors dawn and Ben there's anything

0:12:11that I've learned it's made my life more

0:12:12complicated it's it's food safety is it

0:12:16turns out business there's all the

0:12:18stutters I think you've been on their

0:12:19program I've been this is what's called

0:12:21food safety talk we both been on there I

0:12:23really enjoyed it

0:12:24uh the thing that I feel like I'm

0:12:27learning from them is that like it's

0:12:28sort of one of those everything you know

0:12:30about food is wrong type situations

0:12:31because the primary one being and I we

0:12:34discussed this at length when I was on

0:12:35their show and I think you might have

0:12:36discussed this but there's that whole

0:12:37idea this is this matrix of what makes

0:12:40food safe in terms of how hot you cook

0:12:43it how long you cook it and there's this

0:12:45this amazing graphic that Ben showed me

0:12:48of because I'm a sous vide guy right

0:12:50that's the thing where you vacuum up

0:12:52food and then you cook it in a warm bath

0:12:54um that's very specific temperature and

0:12:57you vacuum it up I'd pop for the vacuum

0:13:00thing and it was really worth it you

0:13:01could do in a ziplock bag too but the

0:13:02basic idea when we first hear this this

0:13:04sounds mental but you get this thing

0:13:06looks like a lightsaber you stick it in

0:13:07water and you say I went and get this

0:13:09water - exactly

0:13:11132 degrees now I've I've aged

0:13:15dried and prepackaged really nice rib

0:13:18eyes with time and the whole nine I've

0:13:20got it in a little plastic bag I pulled

0:13:22that out at you ready for this

0:13:23brace yourself I pull this out of the

0:13:24freezer you take that out of the freezer

0:13:26you did not hear me wrong 132 degree

0:13:29water you forgot it's not very hot I

0:13:32mean most will tell you like usually for

0:13:34like a this is fascinating steak talk

0:13:36but a lot of times when you think of a

0:13:37medium-rare and there's so many ways to

0:13:39get a medium-rare wrong that's what I

0:13:41want about one somewhere in the low one

0:13:4240s usually like oh right yeah I think

0:13:44it's not usually no hard like a 142 and

0:13:46what do they tell you you're cooking

0:13:48chicken you're cooking pork chops it's

0:13:49got to be 160 because it's not 160

0:13:52you're gonna die with pork worms oh

0:13:54isn't that what they tell you that's all

0:13:56the time all the times I've had pork

0:13:58worms okay let's go this is where you

0:14:01get into the turns out though because

0:14:02guess what I do I throw frozen meat in

0:14:05plastic into a warm bath 132 degrees not

0:14:08what your mutts I heard talk about

0:14:10boiling a bag it's like about on a bag

0:14:12but it's not boil its bag no boil it's a

0:14:15delicious rib eye and then you know what

0:14:16I do I tell my dingus I say remind me to

0:14:18take out steaks in two hours so you

0:14:21think I would have left the time off of

0:14:22there first of all but but but assume

0:14:25let's assume that you like the taste of

0:14:26time oh you don't like see people have

0:14:29strong feelings cilantro rosemary thyme

0:14:31people have strong feelings I feel like

0:14:33time is the stuff that that you smell

0:14:36when you're walking through Joshua Tree

0:14:37like when you're walking through the

0:14:39desert somewhere and you're kicking up

0:14:41brush yeah I she smell I don't want that

0:14:45put on my steak okay I'll leave it off

0:14:46yours all right so there's so much about

0:14:48this that is bananas so first of all the

0:14:51fact that you would have meat that 132

0:14:52degrees sounds crazy and the way that

0:14:55you would cook a steak for two hours

0:14:57sounds mental well that you would be

0:14:59using the lightsaber at all in this

0:15:00process my saber it's plugged in in the

0:15:02water you're putting electric in the

0:15:03water and then fort you put frozen meat

0:15:05in but long story short probably too

0:15:07late the thing is 132 for if you do it

0:15:11long enough kills and please do your own

0:15:13due diligence don't die from what you

0:15:15hear on a podcast but the idea is that

0:15:16you don't need to cook pork to 160 I

0:15:19cook pork to 140 to come on and and the

0:15:23thing is you do it long enough it kills

0:15:24the pathogens and the thing is mainly

0:15:27the longer you leave it in

0:15:28more it becomes it's sort of like when

0:15:31you um smoke or slow cook pork over a

0:15:35long time it gets kind of you get that

0:15:36kind of pulled pork sort of thing so if

0:15:38you put your ribeye in there you could

0:15:39put it in there for 24 hours you could

0:15:41put a rib roast in there but if people

0:15:42to steak in for 24 hours it would still

0:15:44be medium-rare it would just be kind of

0:15:46mealy and that the physics of that which

0:15:49I don't begin to understand but it has

0:15:51been explained to me and I still don't

0:15:52understand it

0:15:53all I know is that knee of two years ago

0:15:55the idea of taking frozen steak and

0:15:57throwing it into a bathtub 132 degrees

0:16:00for two hours is the crazy idea in a bag

0:16:03yeah but it but it does works but this

0:16:05is where you get into the turns outs and

0:16:06this is where we get into your grease

0:16:07specifically yeah I'll bet you there's

0:16:10it turns out - how long to keep the

0:16:11grease if I have my druthers it would be

0:16:13like McDonald's I would just have grease

0:16:14sitting around like Bob all the time you

0:16:16know good to go hmm let me get back to

0:16:19the steak in a bag thing it does not

0:16:21sound like you would have a very

0:16:22appetizing outside it does not yeah so

0:16:26that's where you go to the next level

0:16:27yeah so as you know we basically live in

0:16:30a hovel built in the 20s but we do have

0:16:33arranged a little describe it as a

0:16:34hobble but yeah I like our house um you

0:16:37uh so what you do is you take it out you

0:16:39dry it thoroughly at this point you

0:16:41don't really have to let it set up you

0:16:43talk about Pat it dry with some towel I

0:16:45do some paper towels on either side and

0:16:46then you it you get the oil of your

0:16:49choice the lubricant of your choice you

0:16:51might call it let's call it bacon grease

0:16:53and a pan for me it's lard okay I've

0:16:56gone down on lard where do you buy lard

0:16:59a local grocery store made by the I

0:17:02think made by the armored company Oh

0:17:04all right Beast can you see this large

0:17:06okay this can be show notes you see this

0:17:09lard and you're gonna oh yeah that lard

0:17:11I'm gonna talk about no vegetable stuff

0:17:13ain't talking about no Crisco I'm

0:17:15talking about Mountain tikka

0:17:16I'm talking to get armored lard and your

0:17:19edits are more right arm is on the wall

0:17:22it's from the from the French yeah

0:17:24remember when they have a website

0:17:25discover the lard of difference hmm this

0:17:29is that a pun

0:17:31discover the lard of difference discover

0:17:34the lard difference Oh

0:17:36the lard difference back to basics being

0:17:38a trusted family tradition to your kit

0:17:40this is the lard

0:17:44from the stone and ye shall be King of

0:17:47England you can have to save versus the

0:17:49lot of difference um but uh well I'm

0:17:54really fascinated by this nice essential

0:17:55link oh no on the armor site maanteeeca

0:18:00maanteeeca in espanol and I'm just real

0:18:02quick real quick side road I don't want

0:18:04to derail our conversation that's so on

0:18:06track but this started for me when I got

0:18:07I got a blue apron and the blue apron

0:18:10was to make some kind of like a

0:18:12delicious Mexican dish with carnitas and

0:18:16it comes with the tiny little you know

0:18:18like if you get like if you make

0:18:19cinnamon rolls at home and you get the

0:18:22jizz and a little package like they give

0:18:24you a little jizz sized package of lard

0:18:26to cook the carnitas with and I was like

0:18:28lard that's not very healthy man I did

0:18:31it and it was fantastic it browned up

0:18:32really well in the pan and that's why I

0:18:34use it for the stick so you Pat your

0:18:36steaks well I'm going right here to if

0:18:38on the armor site yes one of the top one

0:18:42of the top navigation bars is why lard

0:18:45my lard question mark you get down you

0:18:47get in there discover the lard

0:18:48difference it's better for you it has

0:18:51better taste and better results lard is

0:18:53better it seems so obvious now pure

0:18:56natural goodness that's why your

0:18:57grandmother's grandmother trusted lard

0:19:00oh they're dropping some science on us

0:19:04bring out the big guns of grandmas

0:19:06Lauren not not because your

0:19:08grandmother's grandmother didn't have

0:19:09anything but lard it's because he knew

0:19:12it was pure natural because about the

0:19:14lard difference yeah the lard difference

0:19:16so you patted it dry yeah now you don't

0:19:20want us to get too hot but I will I will

0:19:22go to a medium setting which is still

0:19:24pretty hot especially if you're cooking

0:19:26with maanteeeca

0:19:26and so so you got your sticks it's it's

0:19:29the heated up your oil of choice your

0:19:31lubricant of choice and then you gently

0:19:32put it in there now here's what I do

0:19:34here's a life hack I have an old a

0:19:36cast-iron pan that you know got kind of

0:19:39janky but I keep it around as a pressing

0:19:42pan look I put I put I put a stake with

0:19:46the with them on take off the lard into

0:19:48the new lodge cast-iron pan I use the

0:19:52Old Lodge cast-iron man I put on top

0:19:53like a brick like you'd make a chicken

0:19:55a brick I press it down you sit under

0:19:58when you had chicken under brick this

0:20:01show is going off the rails no no no

0:20:03people I I happen to know from feedback

0:20:05the people love when we talk about food

0:20:07and recipes that is that something gets

0:20:09under the grandmother's grandmother

0:20:11taught you checking under names like the

0:20:14chicken difference and then see it

0:20:17within like let in less than two minutes

0:20:18you get a great sear that does not

0:20:20overly medium a fie the right next to

0:20:23the delicious medium-rare nests oh

0:20:24that's the other thing with this cooking

0:20:25in the sous-vide is it is uniform every

0:20:27single cubic millimeter of that steak is

0:20:30exactly the same doneness

0:20:31but then you sear it at the end you want

0:20:33a little bit extra kosher salt or what

0:20:34would have you you can use butter you

0:20:36can use whatever you want steak and

0:20:37butter pretty good and you've got

0:20:38yourself now at this point I will drop

0:20:40that into some aluminium foil I'll fold

0:20:43it up and I'll let it set up a little

0:20:44bit I'll finish the sides because as you

0:20:46know I like all my food to be hot and

0:20:48finish at exactly the same moment cotton

0:20:50finish got the Merlin man different

0:20:52Dustin bulbous so then that's that's all

0:20:54time that's right the mascara snake uh

0:20:58okay we might be a little off the rails

0:21:00and I still gotta talk to you about the

0:21:02beetles and I still talk to you about

0:21:03parking so we have a lot to talk about

0:21:05today this can be a very little the

0:21:07thing is there's a lot of new beetles

0:21:08news which we can't always say no it's

0:21:11such a you know a week for the beetles

0:21:13but you have to be awesome

0:21:15okay uh I say something me okay good you

0:21:19fussed out a minute but you're back yeah

0:21:20you fuzz doubt - oh no no I exciting

0:21:24gonnigan hacks we gotta act you think

0:21:27it's the Russian hackers it's ransom

0:21:29where are they taking our our social

0:21:32security number Nana Ford I'm gonna use

0:21:36domain tools to get to the bottom of

0:21:38this oh I'm in I cracked the encryption

0:21:41there's green letters on my screen or in

0:21:44hmm so that's how you make a stake and

0:21:48so here's the thing though I think we

0:21:49should probably reach out to friends at

0:21:52the show doctors dawn and Ben and ask

0:21:54them for their opinion and now do we

0:21:56want to pose this in a specific way is

0:21:57it a question of how long how long is it

0:21:59safe for me to leave bacon grease in the

0:22:01pan and how long is it safe for me to

0:22:03reuse it is that kind of the question

0:22:05well but I think I think that my

0:22:07suspicion is that the word

0:22:09that the word we're looking for is not

0:22:10safe because I think the darts are moves

0:22:13like is it proper yeah or yeah basically

0:22:16sound it's gonna be one of those things

0:22:19that they you know the my experience of

0:22:21talking to those guys about food safety

0:22:22was pretty much first of all every time

0:22:25I said is it safe to eat this one of

0:22:27them would say yeah

0:22:28yes and the other would go mmm no hmm

0:22:31and it kept flip-flopping between the

0:22:33two of them and the lesson the ultimate

0:22:36lesson was in every situation you have

0:22:39to make a judgment call it's not one vet

0:22:42that's the thing is turns out there's

0:22:43not one vector to this right is it safe

0:22:46for me to eat is it safe for me to eat

0:22:49right now do I choose to take the risk

0:22:53of eating this because what they said

0:22:55was everything you put in your mouth so

0:22:56there's some risk like you know somebody

0:22:59could have pooped on your popsicle sale

0:23:01okay is it safe this thing's been frozen

0:23:03for a month is it safe to eat the easy

0:23:05answer is yes but the huge asterisk is

0:23:07well what happened to it before it was

0:23:09frozen mmm right

0:23:10right what if somebody put that chicken

0:23:12under a brick if so I put these open

0:23:14under a brick might be half a cock in

0:23:15there you don't know you don't you don't

0:23:17want to be putting that in your mouth

0:23:18just because somebody said see this is

0:23:20the this is this is the problem with the

0:23:22internet so I don't know a lot of time a

0:23:25lot of times when I have a piece of food

0:23:27that I have left out too long and I

0:23:29think this food is now into this range

0:23:32of like is this been sitting out too

0:23:33long I'll put it in the freezer and I

0:23:38figure if I leave it in the freezer for

0:23:41a month by taking your severed finger

0:23:44and putting it in a box of band-aids put

0:23:47in freezer for a month without a week

0:23:49the freezer will do something I don't

0:23:51know what and but what's the primary

0:23:54thing the freezer will do is cause me to

0:23:55forget that is out on the counter for

0:23:58too long yes and it will make the choice

0:24:00for me because when I find it in there

0:24:02later I'm gonna be like oh I didn't know

0:24:04this was in here right and then I'll

0:24:06make it out and and it'll be trouble

0:24:08free so you need to go ahead and make it

0:24:09though because I forget I forget that I

0:24:12put it in there because it had been

0:24:13sitting out on the counter I don't I

0:24:15know all along when I'm doing it's not

0:24:16the way my wife basically when she saves

0:24:18any tiny bit of food so he basically a

0:24:20garbage plus a plastic bag

0:24:22you know nobody's gonna eat that last

0:24:23you know chicken leg or the wing or

0:24:25whatever like the right of burnt wing

0:24:27like why are we keeping this I don't

0:24:28want to waste food we'll know you're

0:24:29wasting food and a bag in that case it's

0:24:34like just I just had a glimpse inside

0:24:36your marriage it's so beautiful

0:24:38I like so much about my marriage yeah

0:24:40now you're wasting food and a bag but

0:24:43loved I really am a joy to have around

0:24:45Stella Sora breakfast treats wanna be

0:24:49down there not on this thing like the

0:24:50river boy stop what are you doing

0:25:01breakfast yeah Stella d'Oro

0:25:03we're doing somebody else's bit but like

0:25:06this is still a thing I do like the

0:25:07easily 5 to 60 times a day I walk by the

0:25:10cat and she's just sitting there in the

0:25:12hallway staring she's sitting on her

0:25:14cushion by the heater cuz she's an old

0:25:15frail lady I look her I go what are you

0:25:17doing ha ha my family's to stop doing

0:25:20that you're scaring her and the cat

0:25:21looks me like what right Stella d'Oro

0:25:24breakfast treats yeah no the cat knows

0:25:26cat knows melador Oh breakfast chance

0:25:29you know you know I would album so much

0:25:32there's so much on that this we're

0:25:33talking about feeling kind of Patton and

0:25:36I well I think first comedy wall long

0:25:38time ago there's much on there that is

0:25:41not for sensitive ears uh but boy is

0:25:44that funny yeah I there's a website that

0:25:48I let me recommend it to you guys yeah

0:25:50it's called folk streams dotnet folk ok

0:25:57Volk streams net ok and it's a place

0:25:59where all of the documentary films about

0:26:03American roots cultures are archived oh

0:26:08my gosh like an it's it's like a free

0:26:11it's a net it's an it's a I feel like

0:26:13I've been to this site National Preserve

0:26:16of all these documentaries made in the

0:26:1970s I think I think I watched a movie

0:26:21here recently yeah it's just like

0:26:23whatever happened to the paddlewheel

0:26:26steamer well this is where this is where

0:26:29I got a copy of talking feet solo

0:26:31southern dance bucks my foot and tap and

0:26:34because you know why this is

0:26:35an important substrata of a very

0:26:37important movie uh what's it called

0:26:40dance and rebel yet with a guy with the

0:26:42cost of sunglasses you ever seen that

0:26:43movie oh gosh this is a terrific I'm

0:26:47sorry I'm taking you off folks dreams

0:26:48yeah talking feet I wish we had shown us

0:26:50I would put it in go Google talking feet

0:26:52solo southern dance buck flat foot and

0:26:54tap and it's an amazing documentary I

0:26:56think she came out in mid 80s but was

0:26:58made in the early early 80s and it's

0:27:01just documenting these very very old men

0:27:03who do that southern like tap oh yeah

0:27:07but like oh yeah well it's like let's

0:27:09like locking it's not a group it's it's

0:27:11a solo performance but these guys are

0:27:12amazing and they just live out in the

0:27:14sticks and they're incredible well I'm

0:27:16sorry folks dreams net folks rooms done

0:27:18that so if you want it like I'm just

0:27:20scrolling down here it's like Edie Prez

0:27:22Mel the dulcimer maker or ironworking

0:27:26yeah finish Americans a 1982 portrait of

0:27:29finish American culture in Upper

0:27:31Michigan Florida shrimping traditional

0:27:35man some change here's some Gandy

0:27:38dancers more Gandy dancers Gandy dancers

0:27:42are that uh you know they're like that

0:27:44they're singing singing as they as they

0:27:46as they build railroad tracks 1978

0:27:49documentary mermaids frog legs and

0:27:50fillets it's about basically about hip

0:27:53hop on the streets in 1978 yeah alright

0:27:57so anyway so I am on here a lot and I

0:28:00was watching a movie about the decaying

0:28:03so this movie was made in about 1981 or

0:28:0882 and it's a guy that's like there used

0:28:11to be a lot of Irish in the Bronx but

0:28:15the Irish are getting pushed out so I'm

0:28:18gonna go around all the Irish par all

0:28:20Irish bars and I'm gonna talk to all the

0:28:22Irish guys what are you doing and so

0:28:27walking over and watching this movie and

0:28:29he's just it's it's you know the guy

0:28:31like he rode his narrative out before

0:28:34you know he doesn't boys over narration

0:28:36and he's a real Irish poet so as his

0:28:39narration is very colorful language in

0:28:42his and but he goes to these bars in

0:28:43this hall as you can imagine cops and

0:28:46firemen and then a bunch of people from

0:28:48the old country who

0:28:49who've been living in the Bronx since

0:28:50the 40s and I'm like this part of the

0:28:54Bronx is not a part of New York that I

0:28:58know mm-hmm and so I started looking up

0:29:00to start looking into this part of the

0:29:02Bronx and you know I bet like you've

0:29:05been all around it but just sort of

0:29:07didn't realize like oh I guess this was

0:29:08the center of mean if you go to this

0:29:10part of the Bronx arrggh

0:29:11there's 400 Catholic churches all

0:29:14involved you know within 10 blocks

0:29:17anyway the Stella d'Oro Factory was

0:29:22right there that's where they made him

0:29:24no kidding and then just recently they

0:29:26were purchased by you know by Armand or

0:29:30by Armand Hammer or somebody buy buy a

0:29:35big breakfast cookie yeah that's right

0:29:37and then they then there they moved it

0:29:39there moved their manufacturing to the

0:29:40Alamo or something in that it's all it's

0:29:43kind of the reverse it's like New York

0:29:46City accepts reverse you watch so much

0:29:49of the same TV like that I Texas New

0:29:52York City get a rope it's my turn to

0:29:56operate I'm the sole survivor so anyways

0:30:04that you spend hours and hours on this

0:30:06because it's it never gets here there's

0:30:09Morgan Sexton the Bull Creek banjo

0:30:10player of course

0:30:11oh wow mouths music I highly recommend

0:30:14this a boot camp count off-chance

0:30:17jumprope rhymes and carny barks are

0:30:20featured in this fast-moving sampler of

0:30:22proto music wow that made me kind of

0:30:24tingly right boot camp count off-chance

0:30:27jumprope rhymes and card you can't count

0:30:29off chance boot camp that's like camp

0:30:32rat laughs had a good job at I left

0:30:35right left

0:30:36they call it attic cadence we used to do

0:30:38those when I was in military school

0:30:40c-130 on taxiway tear morphing she's

0:30:43gonna jump today sound off 1 2 sound up

0:30:47p4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 hmm we should start

0:30:56our own paramilitary unit that let me

0:30:58hear one of your let me hear one of your

0:31:00count offs I don't know

0:31:01until let's see I'm trying remember

0:31:03confusing it with Full Metal Jacket but

0:31:05I this is 1979 I was hearing these yeah

0:31:08we had lots of body Cadence's and body

0:31:11camp songs a lot of songs about vaginas

0:31:14there was a lot of references to vaginas

0:31:16even though none of us had ever seen

0:31:17vaginas your time body like B aw aw

0:31:21maudey but e body body body but where

0:31:26are we um night burrito grease dawn and

0:31:30bend gun we've gotten all the way to we

0:31:34have two beetles and parking yet I think

0:31:36so I think we got real real close to the

0:31:38bueno we're here at we're mouth music

0:31:40here's op lair the sled maker I can

0:31:42leave this I see the problem is I

0:31:44prepared a little bit for this because I

0:31:45had an experience yesterday with parking

0:31:47it's not nearly as interesting as

0:31:48talking about the Beatles oh but I just

0:31:50I feel like I had to tell you this you

0:31:52don't usually take notes so let's hear

0:31:54it

0:31:55it's quick it's just yeah I don't want

0:31:57take us off Beatles but I just want to

0:31:58say like okay so yesterday as you record

0:32:00this it was today's Memorial Day thank

0:32:02you for your service yesterday was the

0:32:04day before Memorial Day we went down to

0:32:05Santa Cruz go to the beach boardwalk

0:32:07we're gonna you know go on some rides

0:32:08get ripped off by some games just have a

0:32:10little little very short fun family day

0:32:13and of course it's the day before

0:32:15Memorial Day so the place is mobbed and

0:32:17this place was never meant it's

0:32:19basically like a small coastal

0:32:21residential neighborhood where someone

0:32:23built a boardwalk that now is like a

0:32:25small theme park and it is not it is not

0:32:28like arriving at Disney World like a

0:32:29full teenage vampires - right yes

0:32:32skateboarding vampires many of them

0:32:33teens it's real sketchy it's got that

0:32:36kind of like beach sketchy feeling

0:32:39anyway long story short it's packed the

0:32:41parking is it takes us you know 45

0:32:43minutes just to get from like from

0:32:44somewhere to like finding parking

0:32:46there's parking lots tiny parking lots

0:32:47we finally find a parking space the Sun

0:32:49is blaring down I don't know why I'm

0:32:51telling you this except I think you'd

0:32:52appreciate it we arrived there we park

0:32:53oh god we got a space there's a meter

0:32:56alright let's go run our card through

0:32:57the meter because try put your card into

0:33:00the meters at well up to a 12-hour

0:33:01parking meter pretty great

0:33:03try to get your card in card doesn't fit

0:33:05this does not take credit cards okay

0:33:07I'll take quarters well we're going to

0:33:09put in four or five hours where the

0:33:10quarters no nobody has that anymore

0:33:11right

0:33:12so we discover they say if you want pay

0:33:14for this

0:33:14so I look around every single one of the

0:33:16meter says expired and zero zero on it

0:33:18I'm like honey maybe they're just not

0:33:20doing them today and she's like you want

0:33:21to pay for a ticket and I said no I do

0:33:23not want to pay for a ticket but I also

0:33:24do not want to interact with an app

0:33:26because guess what

0:33:27to pay for the parking you need to get

0:33:30an app Oh see that's how they have this

0:33:32is how this is they get into hack you so

0:33:34know what I'm telling you this so I see

0:33:36there's a service called park mobile and

0:33:38I want park mobile I don't want to die

0:33:41once in a fire I want to survive and go

0:33:43through painful recovery to go die in

0:33:45another fire yep you've used park mobile

0:33:48before no no oh you don't hate pad for

0:33:51parking like an adult you put in a few

0:33:52quarters if you're going to the comic

0:33:54store or you use your credit card like

0:33:55an adult you don't you went into this

0:33:59just completely uh like you're just a

0:34:02virgin to this totally to this and I and

0:34:05I but you know and I'm you know how I am

0:34:07right yeah okay so anyway there's a

0:34:11service called Park mobile and then

0:34:13their thing is it's parking made simple

0:34:14okay what you do you're either gonna get

0:34:18the app or you can call and set up an

0:34:20account and I'm like and I'm my families

0:34:22are I'm getting that Dessie to look in

0:34:24their eyes cuz they say I'm going to a

0:34:25certain place yeah you're telling me

0:34:27that in order to park the car I've got

0:34:30to get an app or microphone or you make

0:34:33a phone call it really simple I'm

0:34:35starting to get the app so you go to

0:34:36their website their website points you

0:34:38to the App Store you go to the App Store

0:34:39you download the app you wait because

0:34:42remember you're not on a wireless

0:34:43connection you need an app to pay for

0:34:45parking so you wait you wait you wait it

0:34:47down let's okay alright alright how do I

0:34:48pay for this that's a fast Johnny guess

0:34:50what now you go go you got to create an

0:34:52account

0:34:52you gotta create a me so I say Madeline

0:34:54would you please use your iPhone and

0:34:56please call to set up an account while

0:34:57I'm doing this cuz I'm going to Hulk out

0:34:59in a minute so now you know me now I

0:35:02don't just go type a bunch of letters I

0:35:04go to my password app where I have to go

0:35:05create a new login yeah with with the

0:35:08secure password I gotta go copy that now

0:35:10I go in I create a new account pretty

0:35:12soon your garage door opener is going up

0:35:14and down that's how they get you they

0:35:15hack and hack it how they do so now I go

0:35:19enter my new account information I put

0:35:20in my email address I paste in my new

0:35:22money work you're ready to go cut pay

0:35:24for this now oh hang on a minute hang on

0:35:25now you need to configure your account

0:35:28know your license plate number oh sure

0:35:30sure sure right still part of

0:35:32configuring me very got a configure the

0:35:33account cuz now they got a license plate

0:35:35number you got to give it a name like a

0:35:36memorable name for the car for all your

0:35:38cars that you have you would give a

0:35:39memorable name called Pookie

0:35:41mine was fuck me gently and then there's

0:35:44like the Elvis song and then C name it

0:35:46well guess what now me Jackie

0:35:48but never let me go is based on orally

0:35:55so now okay this is like seriously 10 to

0:36:0015 minutes okay fine whatever you know

0:36:02week I have to pee so bad we didn't stop

0:36:05we've been driving for two hours I've

0:36:07been selling slammin seltzer the whole

0:36:08time you didn't tell me this park Oh God

0:36:10and I'm getting cross I didn't cross I'm

0:36:13in the Sun I'm already burning off some

0:36:14of my 100 SPF sunscreen that I've been

0:36:16counting on take care of me all day I'm

0:36:18you're starting up down my daughter is

0:36:20just watching the roller coaster with

0:36:22like tears in her eyes like why are we

0:36:23still here configuring it out okay can I

0:36:26do this no not yet you got one turn on

0:36:29notification so we give notifications

0:36:31about your parking okay yeah I guess

0:36:32what guess what we need your payment

0:36:35information cuz why the hell would we

0:36:36put a credit card dingus into the

0:36:38parking meter you need to enter it in

0:36:40the app with the account you just put in

0:36:42that's fine get two boys flash right you

0:36:45sure

0:36:46so guess what though you can take a

0:36:49photo of your credit card feeling great

0:36:51about this fine I enabled the camera I

0:36:53set it on this steaming hot top of our

0:36:56automobile I attempt to take a photo of

0:36:59five times it doesn't get anything oh

0:37:01that's fine let's just start over now I

0:37:02go now I go into my password app I get

0:37:05my credit card information now I gotta

0:37:06go copy 1 Z 2 Z go copy and paste all of

0:37:08that in am I done

0:37:09no now you gotta enter what parking zone

0:37:11you're in well tell you the parking zone

0:37:13please oh you can shoot the QR code now

0:37:15that you've enabled the camera on your

0:37:16fucking phone to be able to pay for the

0:37:17parking signal right I goddamn roller

0:37:19coaster on a Sunday and I entered the

0:37:22parking zone and it goes beauty Lord now

0:37:24completing your parking you have up to

0:37:26this time in the countdown you want us

0:37:28to send you reminders no we have pretty

0:37:32good time we had some fried food we I

0:37:34went on I went on a roller coaster they

0:37:36went on a sky ride it was all good then

0:37:37we got back easy you close the session I

0:37:39got four emails from all this got four

0:37:41emails I'm getting benefit Asian welcome

0:37:43so I could write this is so that I could

0:37:46have my car be somewhere for a while

0:37:48yeah give thought on this

0:37:50am I being am I you know me in my peers

0:37:52to me you're saying the machine had some

0:37:56facility to take a card just not a

0:37:59credit card yes what was the card it

0:38:01could take I think I didn't think to

0:38:04take a picture of the meter I think it

0:38:06was probably the classic prepaid card

0:38:08and and in a sensible move for once you

0:38:12would not want that to be a size that

0:38:14would accommodate a standard credit card

0:38:15because that would be very confusing to

0:38:17people right right so this was a thing

0:38:20that if you were a Santa Cruz resident

0:38:21you would get a little card that was

0:38:24your parking we have that I mean we have

0:38:26that for public transit in Union for

0:38:28parking you buy like a throwaway $20

0:38:29card for to pay for parking

0:38:32I just let's move on to the Beatles but

0:38:34like yet you feel me on this i I I am so

0:38:38I'm so filled with sympathetic rage um

0:38:42you got a good nap you got a doubt you

0:38:45got a go somewhere and what if you don't

0:38:46have a smartphone what you don't have a

0:38:49credit card you know what you would have

0:38:51done you would have walked over to the

0:38:52nearest bodega store $20 in quarters

0:38:55I know you would have said what's the

0:38:56deal with parking around here and they

0:38:58would have said oh we sell the parking

0:38:59cards 20 bucks see you're smart and you

0:39:02would've gone we all know for next time

0:39:04I think right but maybe not maybe the

0:39:07guy at the counter would have said like

0:39:09yeah get it out but I feel like this is

0:39:11when I look around and I see every one

0:39:12of these that says 0-0 and expired on it

0:39:15and I'm thinking you but that's an

0:39:17argument you're having with your wife

0:39:18not with not with the meter you want to

0:39:19get a ticket

0:39:20I said yeah honey I want to get a ticket

0:39:22that's why I'm sitting here configuring

0:39:24a nap in the Sun so stuck him in a

0:39:26sulking camu novel the problem is that

0:39:28year that even Santa Cruz now is too

0:39:30close to San Francisco to ever be a real

0:39:33town again the cops they bring in the

0:39:35apps and so I I just played this

0:39:39festival right the long winters got back

0:39:40together we played this upstream music

0:39:42festival it's being put on by Paul

0:39:43Allen's company Vulcan it's all a lovely

0:39:47or organization and I know a lot of the

0:39:48people there I actually am on the board

0:39:50which apparently was not a conflict of

0:39:52interest when they asked me to play

0:39:55because they never gave any information

0:39:56to the board or asked us to any

0:39:57questions at all but when we got our

0:40:01packets because when you're playing a

0:40:03big festival like this right you get

0:40:05packets sure you're gonna get a packet

0:40:07I'll give you a packet and Sean Nelson

0:40:10got his packet first and Sean has each

0:40:13Sean has become somebody I guess who

0:40:16does his due diligence there's any an

0:40:19editor he is yes and make sure that

0:40:21things are proper he does and so he on

0:40:25behalf at own he also he lives in

0:40:27Pioneer Square so on behalf of the band

0:40:29he said I'm gonna go down and and figure

0:40:31out what the deal is which is great if

0:40:34you're playing a big festival and you

0:40:36have somebody you know you have somebody

0:40:38doing advanced listen in any situation

0:40:40if you want to make yourself suddenly

0:40:42very useful be the person who decides to

0:40:45go and figure out what the deal is yeah

0:40:47go find out was always a deal to be

0:40:48figured out your your your recon right

0:40:51your your your the your your Ranger you

0:40:54could spend four hours guessing or 20

0:40:56minutes finding out what the dealio is

0:40:58find out what the deal is so Sean comes

0:41:00back this is all happening via text and

0:41:03he said here's the thing you have to go

0:41:05to the you have to go to the football

0:41:07field to the to the box office there get

0:41:11your packet and then you have to you

0:41:15have a wristband but you have to

0:41:17activate the wristband what it's as much

0:41:20as a smart wristband and to activate the

0:41:22wristband you have to get the app oh my

0:41:25god and once you get the app then you

0:41:28activate the wristband but there is a

0:41:30full full typewritten page with a second

0:41:35page of addenda of instructions about

0:41:39how to activate the wristband and like

0:41:45all this stuff like if you if you do

0:41:47this wrong then you're you can't get

0:41:49into the festival for the rest of the

0:41:51day no evil I'm John now enjoy that's

0:41:53right and just on and on and he's sean

0:41:55is reading all these like rules and

0:41:57regulations about the wristband and and

0:41:59but he said since we're playing we have

0:42:02two wristbands but the instructions are

0:42:06saying do not

0:42:07activate two wristbands if you activate

0:42:09two wristbands its null and void you can

0:42:11only activate one but it doesn't say

0:42:12which one and it's just like this uh

0:42:15it's just this thing that state you know

0:42:18Shaun is getting very frustrated and

0:42:19very like what is this is madness and

0:42:22it's the same thing like you can't

0:42:24download the app because he's standing

0:42:25in the middle of a parking lot and so

0:42:28Eric and Nabil both like sitting in

0:42:32their respective homes like went through

0:42:34all this process downloaded the app got

0:42:36prepared for the for the for the event

0:42:39for the day and I did what you might

0:42:42expect you guess what I did I did

0:42:45nothing about it until it was too late

0:42:48to do anything about it

0:42:49yes okay I took the the under that

0:42:53strategy

0:42:54I took the envelope with both of my

0:42:56wristbands and all the instructions and

0:42:58several VIP drink tickets and what up

0:43:01whatever else and I put it in the front

0:43:03pocket of my jacket and I walked around

0:43:06the festival and I went everywhere that

0:43:09I wanted to and when I would walk up to

0:43:11a place and they would say do you have a

0:43:12wristband I would say yeah it's here and

0:43:13I would Pat my jacket as I walked past

0:43:16them well no one stopped me and when

0:43:19when it was time to to park in order to

0:43:22do the to do our show there's I was like

0:43:27where's the artists parking and they

0:43:29said oh there isn't any and so I had

0:43:32time to get wristbands with apps but

0:43:36they don't have time to figure out a

0:43:37place for loaning they designed it they

0:43:39design an app but they didn't think

0:43:40about loading so I just parked my truck

0:43:42right in front of the venue like on the

0:43:45not on the sidewalk but it was like a

0:43:46Plaza and I took one of the VIP drink

0:43:49tickets and I put it under the

0:43:50windshield wiper and it work there's so

0:43:54many ways it might end up working I'm

0:43:56not going to use it as a drink ticket

0:43:57right and it says VIP on it so I put it

0:43:59under the windshield wiper that's kind

0:44:01of all and I sat there and watch and all

0:44:03day long cops on their beat swinging

0:44:04their nightsticks would walk by they

0:44:06stopped but look at this thing it is

0:44:08look at them the VIP drink ticket and

0:44:11they'd be like amen all they'd stroll

0:44:12you know because should be good and uh

0:44:17and I end and then it was

0:44:21for the show the big show the night show

0:44:23and we're standing out front we're

0:44:25talking people are coming up to the

0:44:27shoulders line of people trying to get

0:44:28in and the bill walks over he says I

0:44:31just talked to the woman at the front

0:44:32door and she says they don't have the

0:44:34guest list and I was like what this is

0:44:37not good you know we're going on in 45

0:44:39minutes

0:44:39I walked over and said uh I just heard

0:44:44that you don't have the guestlist what

0:44:45do we have to do and she said oh it's

0:44:48not that I don't have the guest list

0:44:50it's that we have no provision for us

0:44:52having a guest list nobody said it word

0:44:54about guest list and we're not supposed

0:44:56to have that here I said how does that

0:44:59work

0:45:00she said well the guests your guests are

0:45:03supposed to go down to the football

0:45:05field and get the wristband and get the

0:45:10app and activate the app are you kidding

0:45:13me and I said oh that's not gonna work

0:45:17at all and she said well I that's the

0:45:19that's the deal so I so I called my guy

0:45:23the the person that had been repping us

0:45:26to the festival and I was like or the

0:45:28our festival rep rather and I said hey

0:45:30what's the story and he said well it's a

0:45:32festival it's not every club doesn't

0:45:35have a guest list it's like a fast and I

0:45:39said yeah but you're describing it as a

0:45:40fest like Bonnaroo or something where

0:45:43there's one door one gate and you stop

0:45:47at the gate and you get everything you

0:45:48need before you go through the gate but

0:45:50this is you're having this event in a

0:45:51town this is your first year

0:45:55this isn't how things are done we're you

0:45:57know like people are they're gonna show

0:46:00up for the show they're not going to go

0:46:03to the football stadium and he's like

0:46:05well I don't know what to tell you you

0:46:07know this is the I didn't design it this

0:46:09is the thing and you got you got to have

0:46:11your your app and it's just I mean it's

0:46:16just implicit in all of this though is

0:46:18that everybody has a smartphone from a

0:46:21major vendor that will allow them to

0:46:24number two then wirelessly go to a site

0:46:28get an app yeah I mean it's I guess it's

0:46:31probably a fairly safe bet but oh my god

0:46:34all system that you have you know then

0:46:36you put in all this information

0:46:38foundational yeah and then you then you

0:46:41have to you have to enable the

0:46:43microphone just in case it needs to hear

0:46:46you scream or you need to you know it's

0:46:49gonna send you notifications now for the

0:46:51rest of the year and so forth give

0:46:52yourself a memorable nickname fuck me

0:46:54general so I'm on the phone with this

0:46:57guy and I said listen it because you

0:47:00know I've been practicing for a long

0:47:01time like you know you've said to me

0:47:04many times that I should be nicer have a

0:47:07and well you know read between the

0:47:09launcher and I've heard this from a lot

0:47:12of people you should be nicer and you

0:47:15know for every time that I put a VIP

0:47:16drink ticket under the windshield wiper

0:47:18of my truck and I get away with murder

0:47:19all day there's another time when I'm

0:47:23like angry to somebody and that makes

0:47:25them sad and that's not what so I remain

0:47:30not just calm but very friendly and I

0:47:32say to this person let me let me

0:47:33describe what's gonna happen what I want

0:47:37what's gonna happen is about 15 minutes

0:47:40from now my eighty two and a half year

0:47:41old mother is gonna walk up to the door

0:47:43of this venue and she's gonna say hello

0:47:46I'm on the guest list they're going to

0:47:49say we've never heard of this guest list

0:47:51thing you need to go eight blocks to the

0:47:53football stadium download get your

0:47:55wristband download an app and the guy on

0:47:58the other end of the line is he's he's

0:48:00already with me right he's with me now

0:48:02and I said see that is just not gonna

0:48:06work at all right my 83 year old mother

0:48:1082 and a half I'm sorry it's not it's

0:48:13not I'm not gonna ask her to make this

0:48:14Trek particularly not because she showed

0:48:16up here 10 minutes before we went on

0:48:18right and he's like right right right I

0:48:20see I see I understand and I said so

0:48:22there's gotta be some kind of situation

0:48:25where you can send someone here to

0:48:28handle this someone here to the venue to

0:48:31handle this situation because I can't

0:48:35handle it and you can do it the people

0:48:37at the door can't handle it but it needs

0:48:39to get handled

0:48:40and he said let me let me let me let me

0:48:43call you right back and I said okay so

0:48:46I'm standing there and about four

0:48:49minutes later here comes a guy up the

0:48:50street and he's exactly the guy you want

0:48:53to see because this is a festival being

0:48:56put on by by Paul Allen and Vulcan right

0:48:59so all the security at all these events

0:49:00are the same people that work the

0:49:01football games because they don't

0:49:04they've never put on a music festival

0:49:05before so they don't understand that

0:49:07that's a thing that's a different kind

0:49:08of thing right there are production

0:49:09people who do it for a living production

0:49:12is an actual job event production is a

0:49:15high level job it's our intent planning

0:49:18it's it's you know anything we think

0:49:20like oh I can be an event planner it's

0:49:22like because I schedule meetings and

0:49:23people come to them it's like no you're

0:49:25really shooting a bullet with a bullet

0:49:26there's so many things even if

0:49:27everything you plan goes flawlessly you

0:49:29haven't accounted for the even be the

0:49:31beginning of your job when everything

0:49:32doesn't go as planned you see this in

0:49:34tech all the time people are just like

0:49:35oh I can do this anyway the guy shows up

0:49:39he's uh he's dressed head to toe in

0:49:42black which is what you want black jeans

0:49:44black sleeveless t-shirt he has a radio

0:49:48with a with like a microphone on his

0:49:52shoulder good signs out signs

0:49:55yep he has a Maglite and a Leatherman oh

0:49:58yeah this is Jade on the sides of his

0:50:01heads are shit sides of his head is

0:50:03shaved but on the top he's got a like

0:50:05black hair pulled back into a ponytail

0:50:09he's got a Maglite he's probably got

0:50:11some got some tape he's down the gun the

0:50:13leather man he's got it all going on he

0:50:16walks up puts his hand out he says hi

0:50:19John we've worked together before

0:50:21and I said it's great to see you and he

0:50:24said what do you need I said here's a

0:50:26situation he said don't worry about it

0:50:30show me your guest list and I pulled it

0:50:32up on my phone and he sat while I'm

0:50:35holding my phone and he wrote all the he

0:50:37didn't want me to email it to him

0:50:39whew he just sat and like tapped in all

0:50:43the names into his own phone really fast

0:50:47and I was like I can just email this to

0:50:50you and he was like nope I got it and I

0:50:53you know and I'm do

0:50:54in this while people are talking to me

0:50:56right like he's not demanding any

0:50:57attention either he's just like I

0:50:59understand I got this covered and then

0:51:03immediately everything was fine and I am

0:51:06I grabbed him by the elbow and I was

0:51:08like why are you not doing this already

0:51:10and he said when they when they announce

0:51:15this festival six months he's like leans

0:51:17in or quiet when I they announce this

0:51:19festival six months ago I sent them an

0:51:21email and I said hey I'm like I'll

0:51:24handle security and production for you I

0:51:26have a production company I'll do this

0:51:29work for you and I didn't hear back for

0:51:31that from them for five and a half

0:51:32months and two weeks ago they wrote me

0:51:35and said will you please help us a

0:51:37little bit of a fire fest type situation

0:51:38yeah and he was like so I'm working for

0:51:41him I could have done all this I could

0:51:43have made all this a long time ago it

0:51:46could have been fine

0:51:47but anyway now it's fine I've got your

0:51:49stuff fret not

0:51:51and so I heard let so I left and went up

0:51:54on the stage and I heard later that as

0:51:55my people showed up at the door they

0:51:57were like I'm on the guest list and the

0:51:59people in throat were like welcome so

0:52:02nobody got the app nobody nobody got the

0:52:04wristbands they didn't even know that

0:52:06they had to that's the beautiful thing

0:52:08about this story Merlin they never even

0:52:10learned that there was a thing that they

0:52:13were getting around this doesn't get

0:52:16some kind of an award you know what he

0:52:17does get he gets the reward of being a

0:52:19professional that kicks ass at his job

0:52:21yeah I mean then I hope that they paid

0:52:24the shit out of him because I mean I

0:52:25keep to praise upon him and was like

0:52:28thank you but the thing is as soon as I

0:52:29saw him coming down the street I was

0:52:31like oh someone from my tribe like here

0:52:33I recognized what I see this person and

0:52:36no TV you've met this Ranger before oh

0:52:40yeah you know this kind of Ranger that's

0:52:41walking up to you because he's walking

0:52:43up with the with also the astride of

0:52:45someone who is not like this is not a

0:52:50guy who is going to follow orders and

0:52:53one day be convicted of a war crimes but

0:52:57you know somebody's just the way a fella

0:53:00carries himself you just know whether or

0:53:01not he'll illy he'll be a charged with

0:53:03the war crime yeah this is not a second

0:53:05lieutenant with his helmet on backwards

0:53:07calling down artillery on his own

0:53:10position yeah this is somebody who's

0:53:13like at a certain point when he gets an

0:53:14order that's that's fubar mm-hmm he's

0:53:17gonna be like that order he's gonna

0:53:19pluck that order that's right he's gonna

0:53:21say and down sir yeah he's gonna say I

0:53:24love your G sir I would prefer not to

0:53:30I do not prefer it uh so anyway all by

0:53:34way of saying you sit in this podcast

0:53:37game the fucking app oh yes I don't want

0:53:42any more apps I want fewer apps oh oh oh

0:53:45oh I didn't tell you I know you want to

0:53:47get to the Beatles but there's one more

0:53:49thing we have a loyal listener to our

0:53:53program who lives in Portland and she

0:53:56runs a she runs an operation called

0:53:59strange vacations which is a like it's a

0:54:03motorcycle clothing and lifestyle

0:54:05company for women and vacation strange

0:54:11vacations

0:54:14synthetics it's in PDX that's right and

0:54:17she's got a you know a great collection

0:54:19of it's not just that they do leather

0:54:21jackets but they do events oh my God

0:54:24look at this stuff yeah they they do you

0:54:27know they're it's like a it's like a an

0:54:29organization to bring like motorcycle

0:54:32women who ride motorcycles of all of all

0:54:35stripes

0:54:36technically it's a Squarespace site not

0:54:38just like us so she sent me a thing the

0:54:42other day uh and I you may have heard of

0:54:45it you may not have but it's a www.the

0:54:49light phone calm are you familiar with

0:54:52the light phone

0:54:52no looking now the light phone the

0:54:56lights on you said I saw this I thought

0:54:57of you I thought you thought you might

0:54:59like it the light phone oh my god

0:55:01it is fun it is a phone the size of a

0:55:05credit card also Squarespace site and it

0:55:08has it has 10 preset people and then

0:55:14just numbers on it it is just a phone

0:55:17it's it's real little you can't text on

0:55:20it you can't do

0:55:21anything on it's just and any thing is

0:55:23it's tethered to you're not tethered

0:55:25it's somehow connected to your normal

0:55:27phone so it's your same phone number so

0:55:30for sometimes about four times when you

0:55:31don't want a smart phone when you

0:55:32literally just want to be reachable by

0:55:33phone right so you leave your smartphone

0:55:36at home you put this in your pocket that

0:55:38you can call the ten people you most

0:55:40regularly call and they can reach you

0:55:43people can reach you but otherwise you

0:55:47are free from having to look at your

0:55:50thing I could use that I can so use that

0:55:52right now and I think I think they said

0:55:54it's like five bucks a month I mean it's

0:55:56there they're doing everything they can

0:55:58to make it like just like Thomas hey you

0:56:02noticed a namaste I was kind of so she

0:56:05was gonna make us a leather jacket kind

0:56:06of bombed well you know I said to her at

0:56:08one point Alex if you want to make me a

0:56:10leather jacket I would accept it where's

0:56:11where's that where's the rock swag and

0:56:13she was like oh next time we get a big

0:56:15order in and then I never you know she

0:56:18sends me this kind of shit but never

0:56:19says like oh yeah something dangerous

0:56:21somebody takes the time to reach out and

0:56:23offer us something useful or like that's

0:56:25all very interesting oh here's my free

0:56:26shit that's great but well what about

0:56:28the leather jack what about the

0:56:29thousand-dollar leather jacket that you

0:56:31never said that you would make us anyway

0:56:33well I thank you for your service

0:56:39so I I was uh I was looking around the

0:56:42other day somebody suggested that there

0:56:44was a new Beatles documentary and so I

0:56:47Lewin well so I went around looking for

0:56:50it it was made by Ron Howard ha ha ha

0:56:53heartbreaking and I couldn't find it

0:56:56except on Hulu it's made made by and for

0:56:59Hulu and I went to Hulu and they were

0:57:01like you got download the app and then

0:57:03you have to put in your you have to pick

0:57:04a pick a name pick like a cute nickname

0:57:07for yourself

0:57:08get 30 days free but then you know but

0:57:11then we're just gonna suck 15 dollars

0:57:13out of your life for the rest of your

0:57:15life I was like there's got to be a

0:57:17better way and so I went on the internet

0:57:20and I was like I want to watch this for

0:57:22free how do i watch this for free and I

0:57:23oh I never do this and I hate to do it

0:57:25hunc is always awful it says good odds

0:57:27with how you approach this industry but

0:57:30I found a place where and I think it had

0:57:32Japanese subtitles

0:57:34something this sounds legit started

0:57:37watching this movie and I was just like

0:57:39oh it was you know you think there's no

0:57:42new Beatles news Under the Sun there's

0:57:44no new footage there's no new stories

0:57:46you've heard it all you know every

0:57:48cliche backwards and forwards chapter

0:57:49and verse it's so wonderful when you

0:57:51discover that there's more Beatle stuff

0:57:54and great Beatles stuff like all this

0:57:58live footage the cleaned up audio and

0:58:01you can hear how great they are live and

0:58:04when they did that sound great to

0:58:05themselves they couldn't ring ring go

0:58:07could not hear anything but here it

0:58:09couldn't hear a thing but they hear but

0:58:11there they are and then about halfway

0:58:13through watching this thing it stops oh

0:58:16no and I go try to refresh it and it's

0:58:19gone like I am watching some pirate shit

0:58:22as it's being taken down it's like it's

0:58:26like the the light of another Sun and by

0:58:28the time he gets here that that sounds

0:58:29actually dead that Sun was gone right I

0:58:31was just watching the I was watching the

0:58:33master nice might have been dead when

0:58:35you started watching it it's right the

0:58:36dying embers of I mean I heard millions

0:58:38of souls cry out and all were

0:58:40extinguished at once

0:58:41seven seven sided lighthouse made of

0:58:43dreams right that's right so that's no

0:58:47moon mmm you know what I'm saying

0:58:49wasn't it sad though I mean it's you

0:58:52just feel the melancholy I so much

0:58:53there's so much Beatles news this week

0:58:55I'm currently reading a book called

0:58:57Beatles 66 and it's an entire book

0:59:00length book all about starting really in

0:59:03December 65 it's the length of a book

0:59:05yeah it's a whole book about what

0:59:07happens with the Beatles in 1966 great

0:59:09year for the beetle which is easily the

0:59:11most interesting really the most

0:59:12interesting Beatles year and just in

0:59:13short that means it's basically Rubber

0:59:16Soul comes out to getting December 65

0:59:18they do a small tour in the UK they take

0:59:21three months off which if you know the

0:59:26Beatles and go look at some of the

0:59:27infographics on the Beatles that

0:59:29happened I think once period this is

0:59:32this where they went down to the islands

0:59:33they were in Greece in pre Maharishi I

0:59:36believe but I haven't got that part of

0:59:38the book yet but it's the thing to know

0:59:40is that a lot of their interests as

0:59:43individuals developed during this period

0:59:45they didn't have the same haircut

0:59:46anymore etc etc I mean there's

0:59:47lots of what those three months to come

0:59:49back they record revolver they release

0:59:51revolver they do a little at this point

0:59:54now so now they're done touring they're

0:59:56done touring at this point and then they

0:59:57start recording Sergeant Pepper at the

0:59:59end of the year

0:59:59end of the year

1:00:00along with lots of life stuff I mean

1:00:02Paul and John's relationships break up

1:00:04Jon meets Yoko Ringo meets Charlie

1:00:07Chaplin there's all these things that

1:00:09happen there's questions about what the

1:00:10next movie can and should be I mean

1:00:12these are things were today this all

1:00:13seems normal because you're used to help

1:00:15pop culture and culture works back then

1:00:17the idea of the most popular and

1:00:19successful band in the world is gonna

1:00:21stop touring like that's what rock music

1:00:24is rock and roll rock and roll is

1:00:26touring putting out records touring

1:00:27putting out records who do you think you

1:00:30are what are you you know Leonard

1:00:31Bernstein you're gonna sit around and

1:00:33write songs about love like get out

1:00:34there mean amok ciao yeah that's right

1:00:36but then the idea that like they

1:00:38wouldn't just jump into an ill-advised

1:00:40third movie when they didn't like the

1:00:41script there's all these things that

1:00:43they did were people like well this is

1:00:44it

1:00:44put a fork in them finally finally the

1:00:46Beatles are going to be exposed for the

1:00:48frauds that they are there's a career

1:00:51there are little things a fluke

1:00:53you got read reviews of Rubber Soul in

1:00:55like an enemy and melody maker and like

1:00:57has kind of a nice song and it's you

1:00:59know in my life is like oh it has like a

1:01:01nice piano melody but you know none but

1:01:03it's finally over yep this is it I mean

1:01:05really these guys they they the songs

1:01:08know where man is so repetitious fool on

1:01:10a hill like look that just this they

1:01:12tried you know it's swinging to miss

1:01:14next man please mm-hmm

1:01:16sorry so anyway 1966 but in this case it

1:01:20wasn't it heartbreaking though you know

1:01:21that for years they were playing

1:01:23sometimes three shows a day they like in

1:01:25Liverpool they would play a a lunchtime

1:01:27show at the Cavern Club and then to

1:01:29evening shows at different venues they

1:01:31were for a time playing up to three at

1:01:33least three like gigs a day

1:01:35I think they honestly legitimately did

1:01:37love it and then they become successful

1:01:39and now it's the worst it's like it's

1:01:42like they're trying to swim around in

1:01:43jello it's so not rock and roll I mean

1:01:48it is rock and roll to the audience like

1:01:49oh my god and we've been watching so

1:01:50much because I told you last night we

1:01:51watched a hard day's night and my

1:01:53daughters request that's such a great

1:01:54that iconic you just look at a

1:01:55silhouette of those four guys and I

1:01:57explained the appalls over on the left

1:01:58because you know he's left-handed and

1:02:01that makes this stage set up like so

1:02:03iconic it is the a conic but you show a

1:02:05silhouette of the four Beatles with

1:02:08wrinkled up on the drum riser you

1:02:09instant there's no question in your mind

1:02:11who those four people originally were

1:02:14then they can't laugh is not fun life is

1:02:17not fun life is pulling teeth they feel

1:02:19like they're treading water they're

1:02:20musically they feel like they're moving

1:02:21backward musically I'm confused what

1:02:25role did Charlie Chaplin play in the

1:02:27breakup of the Beatles not the breakup

1:02:29of the Beatles since is 66 this is just

1:02:32from the first chapter of this book

1:02:33explaining why this was such a momentous

1:02:34year it's just in the service of saying

1:02:36that really the short version is that

1:02:39from depending on when you start

1:02:40counting let's say 62 through 65 it was

1:02:44just a non-stop series of escalating

1:02:47craziness as you saw in that documentary

1:02:49they were increasingly I mean you you

1:02:52already know like oh the Beatles

1:02:54couldn't walk around cuz you know young

1:02:55people would chase them like everybody

1:02:57knew is that you've seen a hard day's

1:02:58night that was partnered dinner but the

1:02:59truth was their life was unmanageable

1:03:01people were threatened the Ku Klux Klan

1:03:03political groups the people were

1:03:05threatening their lives at this point

1:03:06they could not go anywhere they really

1:03:09really were stuck for guys they're

1:03:11mostly indistinguishable to strangers

1:03:13for identical looking guys who played

1:03:16terrible music and then all the people

1:03:19who wanted to possess them that's what

1:03:21it was and all the only only people in

1:03:22their lives were a handful of like

1:03:24girlfriends and music professionals and

1:03:27so it was the first time since the

1:03:29Beatles got anywhere near popular that

1:03:31they had any air at all to go and

1:03:32develop new interests you know go get

1:03:34into you know Stockhausen or go out and

1:03:37get into like whatever it is go out and

1:03:38discover these things that would become

1:03:40hugely important in the giant middle

1:03:43phase of the Beatles well I'm sorry I'm

1:03:45talking a lot because it's such a big

1:03:46Beatles week what struck me about that

1:03:50documentary I mean there were 50 things

1:03:53that struck me about hard but one of the

1:03:56interesting things that it just that had

1:03:58never been had never been shown to me in

1:04:01exactly that way was how much the

1:04:05phenomenon of the Beatles was

1:04:08registering as world historical to the

1:04:12people of the time like the the

1:04:16journalists were saying this is an

1:04:19unprecedented crowd of people this has

1:04:22never happened before no one has ever no

1:04:25one expected this

1:04:27right no one knows what to do about this

1:04:29this this sense of that that guy that

1:04:32followed them on tour who you know his

1:04:33boss said you want to go out with the

1:04:35Beatles he was like no why would I want

1:04:37to do that that seems like a dumb thing

1:04:39why are you sending me a seasoned

1:04:41reporter on this dumb junket and then

1:04:43two weeks in he's like I'm basically I

1:04:46am living out the most extraordinary

1:04:50event in the 20th century and this is

1:04:52this is what uh 20 years after the end

1:04:56of World War two most adults are you

1:05:01know World War two is going to be their

1:05:02formative tentpole moment for the 20th

1:05:05century but this is like something above

1:05:09and beyond what anybody could have ever

1:05:10seen or known what to do and and that

1:05:13hearing those voices and realizing that

1:05:17from inside it I mean they were we you

1:05:22always see the picture you know that

1:05:23that like yeah there's never been a

1:05:25Beatles before right like Beatle mania

1:05:26sure it's but we're we're all post

1:05:29beetles and to to hear those people

1:05:32talking having been pre Beatles and now

1:05:36being like trying to make sense of it it

1:05:39was so thrilling but also just

1:05:42terrifying because it had never happened

1:05:44before and so who wants to keep that

1:05:48tonight tonight being the night that

1:05:50that everybody dies right I mean every

1:05:53seconds you felt even even taking into

1:05:55account whatever Johnny rays and Frank

1:05:57Sinatra's of the past it felt it felt

1:05:59unprecedented it felt weird so once it

1:06:02started it seemed really exceptional

1:06:05once it escalated it seemed even more

1:06:07uncanny once it went to like 10 times

1:06:10that people like well this has to end

1:06:12like so it really becomes the in a

1:06:14relatively short you were talking about

1:06:15like a year and a half or less you go

1:06:18from like they had a small single with

1:06:20like love me do if you like a year ago I

1:06:22think let me do have like 18 months

1:06:24between when it first came out and like

1:06:25when they really caught on they're a

1:06:27popular band but there are tons of

1:06:29popular big beat bands they call them

1:06:30Merseybeat bands but then the entire

1:06:33time you're a grown up it's like it's

1:06:35not so different for the condition I

1:06:36have today where I'm just going like

1:06:37okay it's another day how long can this

1:06:39go

1:06:40on can this this there's no way this can

1:06:43go on in another week let alone another

1:06:44month talking about something different

1:06:46here but think back then if you're one

1:06:47of the burgers and Meister's like you

1:06:49just be going like there's no way this

1:06:50can continue this has got to be exposed

1:06:52as a fraud and blow up in a shower of

1:06:54sparks yeah yeah yeah right Oh or

1:06:57something awful is going to happen you

1:07:00know like it like people are going to

1:07:02die

1:07:03there's just no we we didn't prepare it

1:07:06was only because it was an era of

1:07:08greater civility that people didn't die

1:07:12because they you know there were 25 cops

1:07:15and all of a sudden there are 25,000

1:07:19people there and they just didn't have

1:07:21the if the crowd had been unruly or less

1:07:25rouille

1:07:27you know they could have just stormed

1:07:28the storm the doors or whatever it was

1:07:31that you see all those scenes where

1:07:32there's like 10 bobbies holding hands

1:07:34with their hats getting knocked off and

1:07:36they're like you know no stay back

1:07:39but effect but that's effective right

1:07:42the ten bobbies holding their hands and

1:07:43the girls are like well we can't cross

1:07:45the police line right now you know it

1:07:48would have been I mean everyone would

1:07:50everyone would have would have been I

1:07:52mean it's astonishing to think no one

1:07:55was crushed to death and nobody was

1:07:57thinking about and improvised explosive

1:08:00device right no none of those Ku Klux

1:08:02Klan guys actually did ride in and ran

1:08:05burn the place to the ground

1:08:06and and you know and these four

1:08:09ding-a-lings are riding the crest of

1:08:11this wave and you know and it's so

1:08:15lovely to see that they did have each

1:08:17other in those in those years and they

1:08:19did have that sort of I I didn't know

1:08:22about thee about the fact that they had

1:08:24they decided internally that they were

1:08:26absolutely democratic and if one if one

1:08:30Beatle didn't want to do something then

1:08:32they wouldn't do it

1:08:33and I just thought that was that was a

1:08:36miracle I couldn't I I couldn't fathom

1:08:39that they actually made all the

1:08:41decisions that they made from 63 or 61

1:08:46to to whenever you know that the

1:08:49decision to stop touring was just like

1:08:51George saying

1:08:53I can't do this anymore and they were

1:08:55all like right right sure

1:08:57done and that's like that's so lovely

1:09:00and considering like how fast that all

1:09:02fell apart and by two years later they

1:09:04couldn't stand to be in the room with

1:09:05each other but yeah imagine imagine

1:09:10having them it's all damming through

1:09:11this either bad you know right they're

1:09:14young they're in their early 20s they're

1:09:15they are very young their life is

1:09:17changing very very quickly and yeah I

1:09:19mean that's the thing is when you look

1:09:20at the stuff and you look at the the

1:09:22pictures in the movies and everything we

1:09:24feel you know we're so nerd toward

1:09:26toward those images but they were they

1:09:28were living that this was all new to

1:09:29them and they didn't know where was

1:09:30going to go either

1:09:31they basically it was understood the

1:09:33question they would get in almost every

1:09:35interview was okay so this is clearly

1:09:37this is gonna end soon what are you

1:09:38gonna do John and Paul would say well

1:09:40we'll probably be songwriters and it was

1:09:41generally I'm just quoting this book at

1:09:43this point Beatles 66 is the oh well you

1:09:45know for Ringo and George whatever money

1:09:47they end up with they should probably

1:09:48invest in business yeah obviously this

1:09:50this will be over with any day now and

1:09:52there are a couple of scenes in the

1:09:53movie where Paul's like well you know I

1:09:55think it'll last another six months and

1:09:57and he's in a rare instance you know

1:10:01being sincere they're not being snarky

1:10:02they're like yeah I know you know who it

1:10:05can't last right right like this is

1:10:07madness oh poor Beatles horrible this

1:10:12week so much so I was so the Beatle 66

1:10:17thing highly recommended

1:10:19I had heard I just want to stipulate I

1:10:22really liked the band The Beatles um

1:10:25Sergeant Pepper on a good day is my

1:10:29fourth favorite Beatles album probably

1:10:32is like I would cite and the top ones

1:10:35change but Rubber Soul revolver white

1:10:38album Rubber Soul revolver white album

1:10:42are always going to be to me jockeying

1:10:45for top position and then you get down

1:10:47into like with the Beatles or Abbey Road

1:10:51but like you know surgeon peppers

1:10:55hasn't aged well - there's a lot of

1:10:59rubber sole is 51 years old and still

1:11:02sounds like they're inventing a new kind

1:11:05of music and obviously revolver I think

1:11:06is I don't know fight me it's the best

1:11:08album revolver is well I mean I've all I

1:11:12want to say is that its conventional

1:11:14wisdom I feel like this I don't know if

1:11:17it started with this but I I feel like

1:11:19the 25th anniversary whenever that was

1:11:22of twenty years because it was twenty

1:11:25years ago today so I guess that would be

1:11:2790s or 87 rather there's this whole like

1:11:30all you know Sergeant Pepper there would

1:11:32be no this and that without Sergeant

1:11:34Pepper and they were definitely know the

1:11:36Beach Boys and the Beatles were playing

1:11:37off each other at the apex and there

1:11:39would not be psychedelia there would not

1:11:40be multitrack like I it is I try to

1:11:43stipulate it's a good album and it's got

1:11:45some great songs it's a gestalt album no

1:11:48no I accept and understand the

1:11:50importance of Sergeant Pepper there are

1:11:52so many other albums I would put on

1:11:54first so I just wanted to just want to

1:11:57prepare you for my adulation here by

1:11:58saying that's my position on Sergeant

1:12:00Pepper would you like to share your

1:12:01position on Sergeant Pepper

1:12:04so I also AM ace my feeling has always

1:12:10been that Sergeant Pepper is a little

1:12:13bit of a mixed bag of fruit and there's

1:12:18a lot of stuff on there that yeah III

1:12:21don't go back to over and over obviously

1:12:24there are some great songs and obviously

1:12:25it's the Beatles and every song is great

1:12:27yeah well like do you come home from

1:12:29working at the bar and put put on for

1:12:31the benefit of mr. kite hmm typically no

1:12:33yeah but um and and you know in it and

1:12:38it foreshadowed a lot of the stuff on

1:12:39the White Album that is kind of like you

1:12:45know a little bit a little bit

1:12:47responding to what I imagine is what

1:12:50they think is the culture in you know in

1:12:55downtown London that I mean you know you

1:12:57those guys are still young guys and so

1:13:03I think sensitive to being called a

1:13:10you-know-what at the point at which the

1:13:12Beatles became an epithet that the cool

1:13:16art kids would use to describe something

1:13:20that was cheesy or for teens I think the

1:13:24Beatles themselves were really sensitive

1:13:26to that and and really a lot of the the

1:13:29exploratory nature of their later work

1:13:31was both driven by their own sort of

1:13:35desire to to be uh to not be static but

1:13:40also you know we can't know what it's

1:13:42like for them to go out to some club in

1:13:44London and have hipsters sneer at them

1:13:48it was in a really different culture and

1:13:50time the music the music magazines were

1:13:52very important back then and like

1:13:53anybody who's ever going to abandon

1:13:54England you get frustrated with the

1:13:55press because they got their own thing

1:13:56going on but unlike today where you

1:13:59might more easily be criticized for

1:14:00being unsophisticated back then it would

1:14:03just be article after article about how

1:14:04their days are up because they think

1:14:06they've forgotten how to make a catchy

1:14:07song and so they were trying all this

1:14:09like putting a sitar on stuff which they

1:14:11described as an Arabian guitar in the

1:14:13press like they they were the Beatles

1:14:17were two or three steps ahead of the

1:14:19entire mainstream in that way and the

1:14:22music was described I'm getting quoting

1:14:24this book I don't have in front of me

1:14:25but I remember very clearly their music

1:14:27was became described as dark starting

1:14:30around Rubber Soul although I think you

1:14:31really could uh

1:14:33Beatles for secretary feels resale is

1:14:35very dark yeah you can hear it and help

1:14:37oh god yes and like but they but they

1:14:40but dark considered dark in an industry

1:14:42where promoting good feelings is the

1:14:46stock-in-trade so it was considered like

1:14:48these guys have really lost the thread

1:14:49on what they're doing here well so

1:14:52there's that but there's also all those

1:14:53I mean you think about like the John

1:14:58Mayall & the Bluesbreakers or that that

1:15:01whole movement of events even the stones

1:15:04like there's so much cooler than the

1:15:05Beatles

1:15:06yeah just happening I get sixties in

1:15:08England where it was like you know oh

1:15:10we're not we're not making this like pop

1:15:12music we're playing the Blues we're

1:15:14serious white British dudes playing the

1:15:16blue

1:15:17and whatever else you know that they

1:15:19were under all that social pressure

1:15:21people doing avant-garde dance

1:15:25performances and whatnot and the Beatles

1:15:27are trying to be on the vanguard of

1:15:30everything because of who they are you

1:15:33know they want to be they don't want to

1:15:35I mean that was that that was what was

1:15:37so profound about that about Dylan at

1:15:40Royal Albert Hall and the effect that

1:15:42that had on John just that they went to

1:15:46see Dylan and you could hear a pin drop

1:15:48and John was like why don't people

1:15:51listen to us like that like that that

1:15:54feeling that he could get up there by

1:15:55himself and be so serious so respected

1:16:00so unimpeachable and I mean then again

1:16:05Dylan is another phenomenon where you go

1:16:08well there's never going to be another

1:16:10one of those I mean imagine imagine what

1:16:13it would be like to be somebody that

1:16:15that really was unimpeachable for for

1:16:20unimpeachable to all the people that you

1:16:22desperately as an artist want to be

1:16:24unimpeachable to that's the crazy thing

1:16:26I mean there were the plenty of critics

1:16:28of Dylan but all of the but none of the

1:16:31critics of Dylan were the people that

1:16:32Dylan cared about it would be almost

1:16:34like at a time when there were comic

1:16:37strips in the paper it would almost be

1:16:38like there was a comic strip that got

1:16:40really popular and then it got popular

1:16:41with your smart friends and pretty soon

1:16:43it was generally agreed to not only be

1:16:45the most important comic strip of all

1:16:47time but one of the great works of

1:16:48literature we be going how could how

1:16:51could a comic strip in the paper be one

1:16:54of the greatest pieces of literature

1:16:55that's antithetical these are pop groups

1:16:57these are pop that's the other thing the

1:16:59Beatles did not call themselves a rock

1:17:00band they called themselves a pop group

1:17:02they were a product in a lot of ways for

1:17:05the beginning of their career who would

1:17:06look at them we're doing like this guy

1:17:07what folk music is going to become this

1:17:09really important thing folk music come

1:17:11on this is 1961 guys break up right it's

1:17:15not 1935 and yes sorry ma kettle is not

1:17:18going to be on the charts and then there

1:17:20and there it is I as an artist as

1:17:23somebody working in this in this

1:17:26vernacular you know you you always want

1:17:30to be the you desperately want to be the

1:17:33band that not only that everybody loves

1:17:35but even more importantly that everybody

1:17:37respects and and you see you see artists

1:17:41throughout time that kind of come out

1:17:44with a thing people love it they respect

1:17:47it and then there's there's two ways you

1:17:50can go right you can be respected and

1:17:52then your popularity falls off or you

1:17:55can be popular and your respectability

1:17:57falls off but those few sorry it's so

1:18:00rare data to obtain and sustain both

1:18:04it's very unusual stay up on that Ridge

1:18:07and also step on that Ridge and seam and

1:18:11make it seem like it's effortless you

1:18:13know Dylan did everything he could to

1:18:15dislodge himself and all it did was put

1:18:18him put him back up there and and you

1:18:22know and you think about like the Eagles

1:18:24who were one of the most successful

1:18:25bands in history and desperately craved

1:18:28critical acknowledgement which they

1:18:30which you know the critics just denied

1:18:32them and you think about I mean even

1:18:35bands of our of our age the The Strokes

1:18:38that first strokes record like everybody

1:18:41loved it but they weren't able to

1:18:43maintain it they couldn't stay up there

1:18:47somehow they and I think it was you know

1:18:50it was a big big factor in Harvey

1:18:53dangers kind of Harvey danger was

1:18:57motivated by a desire to be respected by

1:19:00the music critics much more than they

1:19:02were by desire to be internationally

1:19:05famous and you know those those

1:19:08pressures really took their toll on

1:19:10those guys um and Death Cab for Cutie

1:19:14you know my my pals who have who have

1:19:17done this career where they I think

1:19:21worked very hard to get this to get on

1:19:25this particular Ridge that they're on

1:19:27which is that their critical appraisal

1:19:30and their fan and the passion of their

1:19:33fans has remained constant throughout

1:19:34their career always growing at a steady

1:19:37pace you know they've never

1:19:39made a record that the critic said this

1:19:41is the you know they've lost it they've

1:19:44never really lost their fans but they've

1:19:47never they've also never like hit the at

1:19:50the big time considering how long their

1:19:52career has gone like by this point and I

1:19:55mean the death caps been a band for 20

1:19:57years um yeah I don't listen him to them

1:20:01for 18 years that means when I started

1:20:03listening to Death Cab for Cutie a baby

1:20:06born on that day would now be getting

1:20:08ready for college Yeah right

1:20:11I know exactly right or I mean if if if

1:20:14it was a par if you overlaid our EMS

1:20:17career onto Death Cab for Cutie's career

1:20:19we're into the 2000s in the REM canons

1:20:22right Wow

1:20:23so so Death Cab could have at any point

1:20:26along that way had a record that was

1:20:29their automatic for the people and they

1:20:31never have but by the same token they've

1:20:33never they've never like had a record

1:20:36where it was like well you've had a

1:20:39couple of million sellers and then the

1:20:40next one sold a hundred thousand copies

1:20:42well they don't have a den in self

1:20:44portrait yeah our Metal Machine music

1:20:46they never they never went crazy or been

1:20:50different version of Metal Machine music

1:20:51you know I know it you never you never

1:20:53know you never know what comes I can see

1:20:55Chris wallet and that maybe but for me

1:20:58you know the the the desire to be

1:21:02critically loved is so powerful even

1:21:06even if you sit with your friends and

1:21:08this is what all artists do they said

1:21:10make it wow they don't know anything but

1:21:12you know the critics are all black you

1:21:14know the shit-talking critics is number

1:21:17one thing you do on a Saturday afternoon

1:21:18with your musician friends but you also

1:21:21just want like I for some reason I don't

1:21:25know what happened I went and looked at

1:21:27pitchforks top albums of 2002 mm or mm

1:21:33yeah I don't know why why would you look

1:21:35at that that's a strange way I don't

1:21:36even occur to you to look at I know it

1:21:38was weird it's weird I'm going by what

1:21:40they thought about that year also create

1:21:41just looking I was just looking folks

1:21:43dreams I think and I just got isn't it's

1:21:45just checking out 2002 just look back

1:21:47then looking to see what and you know

1:21:49the number

1:21:50album pitchforks number one album of

1:21:522002 was Interpol's turn on the bright

1:21:55lights love will tear us apart and you

1:22:00know and there were there were a lot of

1:22:01bands in the top 20 that that I don't

1:22:04think anybody's heard of since

1:22:06ml knows by the trail of dead

1:22:09oh yeah Arctic Snow Patrol monkeys its

1:22:11way up there sure

1:22:12sure the Arctic snow patrol monkeys were

1:22:15were there I get I get it maybe a Franz

1:22:18Ferdinand maybe you get a dog's die in

1:22:20hot cars what do you get I think maybe

1:22:22those even those came a year later okay

1:22:24um you know you get some shins you get

1:22:28some gonna be born on occurs but uh oh

1:22:32yeah that would be like a blown speakers

1:22:34era maybe New Pornographers pitchfork

1:22:382002 elmo's or is they called them then

1:22:41LPS LPS 2002 LPS can't here we go songs

1:22:45Ohio songs Ohio that was a great record

1:22:48actually yep okay line from Sonic Youth

1:22:53mm-hmm yeah no oh then no twist I always

1:22:57forget the name of that band I like the

1:22:59new DOS list yeah kill the moonlight

1:23:01very good especially when you listen to

1:23:02it backwards that is a good good record

1:23:04girls can tell is better trail of dead

1:23:09bleeps and bloops Yankee Hotel Oh Yankee

1:23:13Hotel Foxtrot that was the one I really

1:23:14shook my fist at yeah really

1:23:16at the time you like the more tinsel

1:23:18ones well no I felt like that I felt

1:23:20like the long winters uh worst you can

1:23:23do is harm oh that's right you had that

1:23:25album come out around that time the

1:23:26worst you can do is harm ya just

1:23:28wouldn't believe me that that just wants

1:23:30in Italy coincidentally uh and if you

1:23:34know I felt like if you put a worse you

1:23:36can do is harm an Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

1:23:38side-by-side yeah you know there I mean

1:23:43I you know I'm probably the not the one

1:23:46to ask

1:23:46I really feel those I feel like the long

1:23:49winters uh record holds its own in that

1:23:52competition yeah but one of them was all

1:23:55anybody could talk about and the other

1:23:57one was not

1:23:57talked about the last trip but on here

1:24:01all covered by all music guide yeah paul

1:24:04music i did a nice guy was hard on the

1:24:06first one right they were yeah they

1:24:10didn't undertake no on it and and they

1:24:15were wrong you know but uh but you know

1:24:19a review like that goes out and it just

1:24:21hangs there for years he Travis Morrison

1:24:23yeah that's right

1:24:24um have you I realize in spring this on

1:24:28you late and I I'm thinking we should

1:24:29make this homework for the next episode

1:24:31have you had an opportunity to listen to

1:24:32the remix of Sergeant Pepper yet no I

1:24:37would like to if you don't have it I

1:24:39would like to gift you with that and if

1:24:41the stereo remix or a mono well that

1:24:47part is that part of the story George

1:24:48Martin in his later years was having a

1:24:50lot of trouble with his hearing and he

1:24:52brought in his son who has done lots of

1:24:53production stuff to be as he says his

1:24:55ears and they work together on love a

1:24:57long story short um uh shoot what's his

1:25:01name a Clive was George Martin's son's

1:25:03name I'm totally spaced um but a son

1:25:05Martin Martin Hannett um emmerich

1:25:10ethanol Masterson Tiger Woods Masterson

1:25:15marnik matches insider woods Wow you

1:25:18know what they did they went in Janet

1:25:20Janet Martin Janet Janet Martin Maher

1:25:22way mole shauna malwae-tweep

1:25:26Martin Martin and Martin on the tame

1:25:29they camels upon Martin bucket uh they

1:25:36went in and they got they got I guess

1:25:38they got the source tracks that became

1:25:41this is the pre bounced down what tracks

1:25:45I forget those alone I don't know cuz I

1:25:49can't believe no one ever thought to do

1:25:51this before now take all the original

1:25:54stuff no there's this what yeah what

1:25:57come on they got all of that stuff you

1:26:00trying to kid well no come on

1:26:02yeah and then they they remixed it with

1:26:05the idea of saying here's the problem

1:26:06you take something like a day in the

1:26:08life the the drum sounds at the

1:26:10beginning

1:26:11dan like don't bump bump like the mono

1:26:15version everything that blah blah blah

1:26:16good research beetles nerds preferences

1:26:19on stereo vs. mono the true story is

1:26:21that for most of the Beals career they

1:26:23were heavily involved with George Martin

1:26:25in the production of the mono but like

1:26:28increasingly they would go like man you

1:26:29just go do something for the stereo so

1:26:32they could be actually kind of different

1:26:33versions with different parts you hear

1:26:34different things and a lot of times the

1:26:36stereo was really just ring goes over

1:26:37here on the right Ringo Impala over here

1:26:39nobody else is over here is pretty

1:26:40simple and and there's for a long time

1:26:43but understanding that like boy you know

1:26:44essentially what they did was they said

1:26:46we want to make a 3d stereo sounding mix

1:26:49that's got the propulsion and fullness

1:26:52of the mono version and you're going to

1:26:54hear low-end like you have never heard

1:26:56before I don't wanna spoil it for you I

1:26:59would just I would like if you would

1:27:00please to consider and we will put this

1:27:02in the budget for the show so here's

1:27:04what you get you're gonna get you're

1:27:05gonna get this you're gonna get the new

1:27:07remixed Sergeant Pepper but that's not

1:27:09all but that's not all if you buy two

1:27:11and pay a separate fee huh you um it

1:27:15also includes whatever take they used of

1:27:18the base track unadorned hmm so you know

1:27:24you're gonna hear what it sounded like

1:27:26and you nerds have been able to get

1:27:28these in the various trucks and back

1:27:31corners for a while but I think that a

1:27:32lot of time on YouTube listening to this

1:27:34stuff if I can what I got I mean I went

1:27:37pretty deep into the like oh the MS FL

1:27:39AB it's kind of revolver and all these

1:27:42different versions and I had all the

1:27:43stereo in all the mono I'm just saying

1:27:45like once you sat down I on Saturday I

1:27:47listened to Sergeant Pepper probably for

1:27:51the first time my life I listened to

1:27:53Sergeant Pepper three times in one day

1:27:54can VIN I listen to the bass tracks and

1:27:56it's a new album and I'm gonna leave it

1:27:58at that would you consider doing this

1:28:00for homework yeah I will do this I'll do

1:28:02and then we'll come back next week and

1:28:03amongst our other topics we will talk

1:28:05about the 1967 album sergeant pepper's

1:28:09Lonely Hearts Club Band all right

1:28:14can't wait can't wait to can't wait to

1:28:17to dig into this because as you know I

1:28:19like the Beatles yeah me too

1:28:21I think I'm ready to reappraise this it

1:28:23sounds like The White Album in a good

1:28:25way if you think Liam tracks just

1:28:28floating around for the other albums

1:28:30good question the thing is it's sort of

1:28:33like John Syracuse's position on the New

1:28:35START Star Wars uh you know the updated

1:28:38editions

1:28:38it's like Empire Strikes Back is

1:28:40actually not very marred whereas the

1:28:43first Star Wars movie is just massacred

1:28:45I'm guessing that's what it's like I bet

1:28:47you know revolver sounds pretty great

1:28:49yeah but if they exist I will kick start

1:28:52the shit out of that get in there and do

1:28:53this for every one of these albums oh my

1:28:56god what is his name it feel terrible

1:28:58now but you want George Martin to be at

1:29:00the helm the day that George Martin

1:29:02isn't helming the thing then it just

1:29:05becomes Lyle's Martin and he's so

1:29:08specifically though yes he's going to

1:29:09keep in mind what his father would do

1:29:11but even more importantly he's going to

1:29:13ask the two living beatles and going to

1:29:15try to infer what the other Beatles

1:29:16would want its retrying to do it in the

1:29:18spirit of what they would want to deal

1:29:20with this ask the living Beatle ask the

1:29:23living Beatles I just wish that I wish

1:29:27that Paul was more trustworthy you you

1:29:31have not directly super directly

1:29:32addressed this you have some credibility

1:29:35issues with Paul McCartney

1:29:36sir sir sir mr. Lord Paul McCartney yes

1:29:39and will you you parse you parse hard on

1:29:42Anna McCartney quote I just yeah I just

1:29:44I'm just I'm hoping that Paul just

1:29:48hoping that Paul does the right thing

1:29:50here Paula at this point is probably

1:29:52overwritten a lot of the original tape

1:29:54in his mind that's what I'm worried

1:29:56about he might have done he might have

1:29:58done too many punches and like there's

1:29:59just stuff that he remembers a version

1:30:01of it that he started telling slightly

1:30:03differently in 1972 and he's kind of

1:30:05operating off of that broken bit of tape

1:30:07yeah I'm just I'm just afraid that it's

1:30:10you know I mean what was his thing where

1:30:13he was like I don't see what's not cool

1:30:15McCartney linen Oh Lucy knew for the

1:30:17Bob's your uncle

1:30:18please I know and actually the credits

1:30:21that has been that has been corrected

1:30:22what it's now McCartney Lennon some-some

1:30:25that basically a credit has

1:30:27a portion based on contribution and I'm

1:30:31trying to remember I don't have the hard

1:30:32copy I've got the streaming version on

1:30:34Apple music but yeah yes Moseley is

1:30:37actually good for Giles Martin good

1:30:39Giles Giles you know it's good for Giles

1:30:42everybody's got to earn a living

1:30:43mmm-hmm that's what they say yeah John's

1:30:46Martin's 47 there's a 47 year old guy

1:30:48producing Beatles albums now mr. presser

1:30:51that's it the junker than you write just

1:30:54barely just barely yeah so I let them

1:30:56pick me