H.I. #83: The Best Kind of Prison
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welcome to the buzz with CGP grey so I
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just want to talk about something that's
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been happening in my hive you did ask me
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what I would like to do hmm when I'm an
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old man and I did say peak bagging sort
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of on the spur of the moment mm-hmm
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there are some other things that spring
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to mind that I kind of didn't think of
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at the time oh yeah the problem is with
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most of mine I've kind of like already
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done them but what I would do is I would
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do them better as an old man okay I feel
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like you're almost venturing into
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humblebrag territory here with it's like
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oh I'd love to do more things but I've
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already accomplished so much in my life
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I don't mean it like that
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okay like for example I really like like
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slot cars like sort of scale at Rick's
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I would love to create a massive one of
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those like the size of like three or
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mm-hmm and like have a really really
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slick one but I did go through a phase
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like in my early adulthood where I got
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into that and had a really cool one in
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my room stuff like that I would like to
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get into train sets ah
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I've never done a good train set I'd
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love to have like a big huge train set
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in the basement that has all the good
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models and stuff like that but the thing
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that's closest to beekeeping that I
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could have Benjen getting into would be
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an aquarium a really good aquarium but I
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have done lots of aquariums over the
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years at various times I reckon I'd love
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to get really back into keeping
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aquariums it saltwater aquarium or a
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freshwater aquarium Brede
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well I mean I've done both oh wow okay
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yeah saltwater I mean that's pro level
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aquarium there I actually found it
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surprisingly easy I didn't have a big
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did I have at a bet what happened when I
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finally got rid of my saltwater aquarium
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I didn't know you had a saltwater
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aquarium so no I don't know what
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happened when you got rid of it I did
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have one I was moving house when I left
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Nottingham so I decided to not move with
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the aquarium I decided to get rid of it
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but I had this clownfish mm-hmm so I
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ended up donating it to my local fish
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and chip shop my local fish and chip
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shop had this amazing saltwater aquarium
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so I said to them one day while I was
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buying fish and chips I said I'm getting
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rid of my aquarium at home do you want
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my fish and they were like yeah yeah
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we'll take it off your hands they
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already had a clownfish in there and
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they're quite territorial clownfish
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are they yeah so I took it in like a few
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hours later in a bag and gave it to them
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and they like released it into the
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aquarium and at first their clownfish
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was much bigger than mine and it was
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clearly being bit of a bully and I felt
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really sad and I thought I know I've put
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it into this huge new aquarium with all
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these other fish that don't like it and
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I felt really sad and thought maybe
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things weren't going to end well but
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like I went back the next day to check
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how it was going and it had become like
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best buddies with the other clownfish
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and they were like best mates and like
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six months later I went back after I'd
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moved I was back in Nottingham and I
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went back to the fish and chip shop to
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check and sure enough there he was or
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there she was
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whichever gender it had taken on best
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mates with the other one so it ended
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really well but I'd love to one day have
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like a super massive aquarium like you
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know six feet across a huge one I could
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do that my old age and tend to my
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Quarian so clearly your interest in
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beekeeping generated a lot of interest
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among listeners to the show as much
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arisen from that what's come about since
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in your world well you know Brady like I
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couldn't help myself I mentioned in the
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last show that sometimes I get caught in
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a little bee vortex of reading about how
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to keep bees how to manage your hives
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how to do all these things and of course
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after the show went live I was inundated
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with links I spent a very pleasant
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morning reading about a hobby that I
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don't have any real intention of
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pursuing until a couple decades from now
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if ever I couldn't help myself I was
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reading about urban hives and I was
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looking into local beekeeping
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associations and all these various
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things I just I couldn't stop myself but
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I do want to recommend to the listeners
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something that was passed on to me which
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is a youtuber called Cody's lab and it
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looks like he's a guy who normally does
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a whole bunch of science experiments and
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stuff but people passed on to me that in
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his spare time he does beekeeping and
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there's a playlist of like a hundred
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videos of him just tending to his bees I
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was watching that I was really enjoying
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that couldn't help myself
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I was absolutely transfixed and for the
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buzz for the actual beekeeping news the
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very day that we published that episode
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there was a huge swarm of bees in London
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in Greenwich that actually caused one of
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the streets to be shut
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for a couple of hours and they had to
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bring in a local beekeeper a total hero
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to try to coerce a bunch of the bees
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into some hives and get them to D swarm
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from the street so I think our podcast
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once again causes news to happen this
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time in the realm of beads they were let
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Tim bees and when they'd heard about
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your interest they all flock to London
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to try and see you and I think that that
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is the only logical assumption we can
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make I mean you talk about a hero you
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now remind me I did mention last time
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that my stepfather is a beekeeper mm-hmm
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and his phone number did make it onto
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like some list that the local council
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kept of people who knew how to handle
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bees and maybe once a month or so we'd
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get a phone call from some local person
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who was having a problem with a swarm of
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bees like suddenly the bees had taken
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over their backyard or front porch and
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they were scared and didn't know how to
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get rid of the bees and the council
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would just say all right we know a guy
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sure enough they'd call him and he'd go
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around take the swarm away and often
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he'd then take it and go and put it in
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one of his boxes and he'd keep them hid
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adopt them take them away that they've
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happily Everafter literally on a farm
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this time it's real bees really do go to
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farms where are you taking those bees
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I'm taking them to a farm no really
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where are you taking up and I am I've
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got a farm with like you know 50
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beehives on it yeah but it seems like
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this is a regular thing that you know
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bees they swarm they'll get sort of
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stuck in some area and then you call out
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the local beekeeper to get them to go
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into a hive and then take them off to a
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farm such as the cycle with bees right
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okay anyway that's this week in bee news
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this waked the buzz next week probably
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nothing who knows I've certainly learned
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more about wisdom teeth than I ever
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cared to know over the last month or so
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hey whatever happened to the teeth did
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you send them off to whoever it was who
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wanted them thank you for reminding me
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you can save me having to send an email
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now because the woman who I said I would
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send them to in Australia did email me
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and I forgot to reply she said that's
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great and I think she even sent me her
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address but I've realized two things
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well three things have come about
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actually now
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about it one is I didn't actually speak
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to my wife about it so I don't know if
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she'll be willing for me to send the
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teeth away aha
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she probably will but anyway I think you
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care I'm just trying to mentally think
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of a scenario under which your wife
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might say oh no we really need to keep
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those dog wisdom teeth the most
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important thing though that someone else
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pointed out to me was Australia is
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notorious for its quarantine rules
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particularly anything to do with fauna
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or flora and you can almost guarantee
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that sending teeth through the post to
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Australia is not gonna happen and also
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could result on you know people being
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put on watch lists and things like that
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so I'm not going to do it for that
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reason and there is a third reason that
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is top top top secret but I may have
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found another amazing use for those
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teeth and I haven't even told you about
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it I thought it could possibly be that
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you're gonna do with some doggy teeth
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I'm making a necklace for you for
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Christmas you better not be who would
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throw away an Audrey teeth necklace you
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monster only a monster would throw it
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away that's true I would thank you and I
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would hand it right back to you saying
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that the gift was simply too great and I
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could not accept it that's the way I
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would try to handle that situation
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speaking of gifts can I continue my
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ongoing obsession with holidays and
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things that we celebrate after April
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Fool's Day and Star Wars day haha we
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have now passed at the time of recording
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just recently in some countries Mother's
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Day what do you do about Mother's days
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is celebrated in the gray family do you
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contact your mother back in the states
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and send her flowers or phone or up or
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yeah of course you got to call your mom
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on Mother's Day everybody does that
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I'll come to that I just want to know
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what you do you send presents I've just
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sent flowers and you call you call your
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mom on Mother's Day that's what I think
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you do and you do flowers and I do
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flowers my mom always says don't send
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flowers but she's always very happy to
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get them so it's a bit of a mixed
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message there but I sent flowers anyway
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I can easily have seen you as being
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someone who wouldn't have
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bought into that who would have said oh
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this is just you know greeting card
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industry florist industry I'm not
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getting suckered into that I mean with
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all these things it is right but it's
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also what the day is to the person the
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greeting card thing it's not necessarily
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a valid complaint because people will
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have expectations right on those days I
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learned that when as a much younger fool
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someone once told me that Valentine's
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Day was not an important day and we
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could treat it just like any other day
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and I believed her and boy did I learn
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it is not another day it's not another
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day to the other person it's not another
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day to the people who know that person
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even if it is just concocted for
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greeting cards
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it still has real social ramifications
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so the holidays are real even if they
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are also serving other economic purposes
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are there any days that are widely
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recognized that you won't recognize are
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you trying to find like a holiday
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boycott yeah I'm trying to find the
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holiday that you just besides April
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Fool's Day that doesn't count this it's
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not that April Fool's cards or anything
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this is it do you G Father's Day like we
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found your dad on Father's Day
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yeah Father's Day is is coming up in
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like a month I think here's the problem
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right is there's actually an infinite
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list of dumb holidays that you don't
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know of right so it's the question of
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like where the big ones that we can
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actually agree on and I can't think of
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any real major holidays that I would
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fold my arms and go no that's ridiculous
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like I know people who are really anti
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Thanksgiving and I think that's dumb
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it's a day to give thanks right guys
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like we don't have to get all upset
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about a whole bunch of other stuff so
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the must find home days for you mother's
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and Father's Day presumably both your
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parents birthdays and Christmas Day and
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Thanksgiving yeah I would say that those
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are the must phone home holidays do you
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phone your parents on their wedding
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anniversary all right so I wasn't gonna
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bring it up but this one is actually
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sorry parents this one I feel like it's
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slightly controversial because my
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parents definitely think that I should
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phone home on their anniversary right
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and for a long time I definitely did not
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think this was required
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phone day rap because I thought like
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this is a holiday for the two of you
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yeah this doesn't really have anything
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to do with me yeah but I eventually as I
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got older did finally give in to this
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and I do now call my parents on their
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anniversary it's not like it's a burden
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or anything it's just like a funny thing
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like it doesn't feel to me like that
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should be a required like along with a
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Mother's Day right it doesn't feel like
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it should be a children should be
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required to call their parents on their
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parents anniversary days but what do you
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think about that I don't think you
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should mmm I think it's like their day
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it's also a bit weird like it's a
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romance day for them like you know maybe
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your parents are having a little kiss
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and a cuddle on that day and you don't
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want to think about your parents doing
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that that is also the other part of it
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is is it does feel very particularly
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like the parents day kids don't need to
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be involved in an anniversary day yeah
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my family's pretty casual about that
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sort of stuff anyway we do phonon
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birthdays if we remember nice but it's
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not a guarantee and there are no like
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presents or cards or flowers and things
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like that mmm we're just pretty
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laid-back about that sort of stuff I do
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have my parents birthdays in my
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recurring diary now but for many many
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years I didn't so there's a great
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tradition on my parents birthdays for my
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sister to send me a text telling me it's
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the parents birthday so that I don't
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forget to close even though I do
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remember now I always get a text from my
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sister on my parents birthdays yeah I
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did the same thing with my parents
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anniversaries because particularly in
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college I think I missed many a parents
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anniversary too much displeasure from my
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parents and eventually like back in the
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day like my super cool Palm Pilot I
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finally decided to put it in the
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calendar so I would actually have a
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reminder of when my parents anniversary
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is well I'm just going to put it out
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there and you know that I think your
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mum's great but I think mrs. gray you
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need to give gray a leave pass on the
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anniversaries but I know she won't not
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because she thinks anniversary is
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important I have no idea what she thinks
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of anniversaries but I know how much she
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loves you and she's not going to have
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one less opportunity for you to come
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home she's not going to relinquish it
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based on that alone no that isn't
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not going to happen I will be genuinely
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curious in the reddit to see like what
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the breakdown is of in families whether
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or not calling on the parents
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anniversaries is like the required day
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or that not required day because I feel
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like this one is the controversial day
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and the responses are going to span from
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I don't even know my parents anniversary
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are through to we all get together and
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have a massive dinner mm-hmm I mean I
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have mentioned the fact I have a step
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further which is implicit in that that
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my parents are divorced actually
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mmm-hmm so I don't call them on their
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anniversary when Lina look they do get
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along but it would be read if I called
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them both separately on their wedding
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anniversary say the problem with
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Mother's Day of course though is the
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total panic that happens every year if
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you live in the UK but your mother is in
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America this is actually the whole
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reason I brought this up I've had
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forgotten because we went down the
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rabbit hole of anniversaries but the
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whole reason I brought up Mother's Day
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is that it's celebrated on different
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days all over the world and the UK is
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very unusual in when it celebrates
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Mother's Day compared to everyone else
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the USA and Australia celebrated on the
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same day oh I didn't realize Australia
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in the u.s. do on the same day okay they
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do so probably the most common day to do
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it and as the Australia in the u.s. do
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this is the second Sunday in May mm-hmm
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but in the UK is of course held on the
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fourth Sunday of Lent as parently
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looking at the Wikipedia apparently it's
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because of some old-fashioned day when
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in the 16th century Christians would go
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back to their mother church on that day
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mm-hmm and that would also obviously be
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a time you were more likely to go and
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see your parents and lovers would be
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reunited with their children so it
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somehow relates to all that which I kind
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of like in some ways because at least
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there's some like traditional reason for
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the day right at least there's some
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reason in Russia they sort of celebrate
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Mother's on International Women's Day
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and that's a really big day there and
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that's another day again
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so I happen to be in Russia just before
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the last Mother's Day there so I was
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quite aware of it now again I was like I
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know is that Mother's Day no no no it's
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Russia the Mother's Day and then I got
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back in like in the UK everyone's
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celebrating oh no is it Mother's Day
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basically what I usually do on Mother's
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Day is I text my mum and I just say
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happy Australian Mother's Day
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actually become brilliant for me because
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if I ever forget I can use this as the
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ultimate excuse now like if I forget
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Australian Mother's Day I can say oh
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sorry it's not Mother's Day where I am
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and vice versa so which day I mean I
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presume the answer you're going to say
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is it should be celebrated on the day of
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the country that your mother is in yeah
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I think you need to celebrate it where
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the mother is yeah particularly like
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having the UK ahead of time I don't
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think that works very well because if
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you call your mother a month before in
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her mind it's Mother's Day I think
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there's no amount of talking you can do
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which will convince the mother oh this
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is a Mother's Day call like nope you're
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just making a Sunday call and it happens
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to be Mother's Day where you the child
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are but not where the mother is right I
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think then you fast forward a month
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later and it's actually Mother's Day
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wherever the mother is you're gonna have
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a sad mother who feels like her child
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has not called her on a Mother's Day I
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don't think this is an obligation that
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you can get out of the way cuz oh say
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it's about showing off to the other
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mothers isn't it well this is exactly it
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right it's entirely about oh did your
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child call you today right and then they
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want to be able to say yes all right and
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saying oh my my child called me a month
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ago I don't think that really counts it
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in mother competition like I don't think
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that helps at all so no this is not what
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this is I would love to sit in the room
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with your mum and like her friends when
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her friends say to her Oh
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what's your son doing these days I would
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love to hear how she answers that like
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oh yeah he lives in England and he like
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makes videos on YouTube but once every
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few months and plays video games and
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stuff is that how you think my mom would
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answer that Brady well if she's being
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honest yes is that what you think the
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answer is no I'm sure you're like some
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successful film maker in London he's a
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London filmmaker don't you know and
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they're like don't lie to us mrs. grey
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we've seen him streaming Truck Simulator
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okay Brady do you remember a long time
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►
ago we talked about what happens when
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people ask me what I do do you remember
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this conversation will you be upset if I
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say I don't nope not at all I don't
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so long in the annals of hello Internet
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probably one of the very very first
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shows we did I mentioned how I really
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don't like to talk about my work with
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other people hmm
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would you found very surprising but it's
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like I am constantly and even still to
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this day I have not found a good answer
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I am always trying to find the most
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boring but still truthful way I can
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possibly describe my job to another
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person I appreciate that more now than I
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used to I'm like that too now oh really
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to the point where it irritates my wife
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a bit like we'll be like at some fancy
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dinner with like high-flying people and
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they'll ask what I'll do and I'll just
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really downplay it and make it sound as
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►
and interesting as possible and then
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shit later on she'll be like oh why do
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you do that I'm really proud of what you
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do why don't you and I'm like can I ask
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what happened there were like what
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changed with that I don't know I think
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maybe I got a bit sick of talking about
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it I don't know if I can do a diversion
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►
to our diversion these do please do I
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►
had a very funny thing happened the
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►
other day actually I was at like an
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event where there was a comedian hmm and
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he was like you know picking on people
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►
in the audience and stuff like that and
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►
this opportunity came about for me to
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►
call out and like sort of respond to
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►
something he said and like look I'm
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gonna brag I like owned him like I saw
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►
an opportunity and I took it and like I
00:19:01
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►
got a big ovation for how good it was
00:19:04
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►
and that even the comedian said you're
00:19:05
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►
my kind of heckler it was like this
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►
amazing moment that just presented
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►
itself and I took it like you know those
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►
those moments in life where you think oh
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I wish I'd thought to say that and do
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►
that like you know a week later this was
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►
one of the few moments where it just
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came to my head at the moment and like I
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did it and it was brilliant I want to
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get on record here as well I can totally
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►
believe that this happened like that
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you're not spinning a tale about how I
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►
was like I can believe that in a comedy
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►
club you saw an opening that got you
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►
with standing ovations because I have
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►
told you many times and I think you
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►
always deflect this compliment like I am
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►
always so impressed by your quick wit
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►
like that is by far and away one of the
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►
things I am like the most envious of
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►
with you is like you just have some of
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►
the quickest wit of anybody I know
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►
sometimes so I can believe that you
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►
owned a situation in a comic
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►
club and got an ovation from the crowd
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►
thank you very much I didn't get a
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►
standing ovation but it was a standing
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►
ovation that's the way it happens okay
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►
so I had my moment and then the comedian
00:20:01
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►
says like he's obviously gonna start up
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►
and it did center around the fact I was
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►
Australian so then he then said so do
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you have a job and I kind of would yes
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►
like you know in a funny way as if
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►
everyone knew I was about to get picked
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►
on and here this is a committee who
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►
obviously has like a response for any
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►
job I'm gonna say exactly so then he
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►
says to me what's your job
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►
and I said I met YouTube videos mm-hmm
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►
and he had absolutely nothing to say
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►
mm-hmm except he said oh I wouldn't mind
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►
talking to you later and then he just
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►
got on with his gig there's nowhere to
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go with it it's such a bizarre thing and
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►
I think maybe that goes back to the
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question we were talking about why don't
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I talk about it it's because I opened
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such a weird can of worms and it could
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go down so many paths that I don't know
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►
where it will go that you know sometimes
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I'm in the mood for it and I want to
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talk about my work and I'll get really
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into it I'm not like you know a recluse
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►
but most of the time I just think it's
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►
just not worth it they're going to ask
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►
me lots of questions then they're going
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►
to ask me more questions and that's
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►
going to be the next 10 minutes and the
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►
answers I give them are going to force
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►
them to ask more questions even they
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►
don't want to ask oh really what do you
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►
make youtube videos about oh like
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►
Science and Mathematics and stuff mm-hmm
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►
and straightaway where like I've pulled
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►
someone into a conversation about like
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►
science and math mm-hmm I don't always
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shut it down but I shut it down more
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►
than I used to and I can see why you
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►
would too you know especially you
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►
because you've got the same problem as
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►
me and you're less comfortable with
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►
awkward conversations yeah and I just
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►
don't like talking about it and it is
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►
always just a weird situation I still
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►
have not come up with an answer that I
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►
feel is comfortably truthful yet
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►
adequately boring like I am constantly
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►
searching for the perfect way to
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►
describe it so every time somebody asked
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►
me what I do I end up just sounding like
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►
an idiot's doesn't even know what he
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►
does for a living and I just kind of
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stumble through it and that does work
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►
because I don't get any follow-up
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►
questions but I feel like it leaves a
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►
really bad impression but I never want
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►
I and just say something like oh I'm a
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►
data analyst for a boring company you
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►
can't lie I have found it works quite
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well to say I make youtube videos and if
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they want to know more I really like
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►
what do you do I say are they kind of
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►
unlike nerdy stuff like mathematics and
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►
science and they're surprisingly popular
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►
lots of people watch them so I'm able to
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►
do it as my job yeah I mean maybe I'll
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►
December I'm a professional livestreamer
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►
yeah so anyway how does your mum answer
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►
that question my mom a long time ago
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►
when my career was just getting started
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was very proud to tell people like what
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I was doing you know so she would say
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like oh he makes these videos on the
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but as time has gone on I think she has
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run into the same thing that you do of
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just like I don't want to get into this
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conversation
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it gets a hold real fast and so what I
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love is my mother's answer now which I
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do think is like true enough for the
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►
crowd of people that she's talking to is
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my mom says oh he works for Google right
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and that's like random conversation
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►
apparently in my mother circles that is
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like adequately prestigious but also has
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zero follow-up questions that come
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afterward right cuz like nobody wants to
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know what he does working for Google and
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I feel like well I do get like paychecks
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they're like big channels yeah epic
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channels and they are obviously
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I own them into collaboration with those
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scientists but you know I've filmed them
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a lot at the Uni with those people and
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everyone I worked with at the BBC when I
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for the University like you know as
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they're like
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the filmmaker or something and that the
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university has a whole PR department and
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see you again Braley are you still
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like now I never bloody worked for the
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University of Nottingham so that does
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like the PR team a big institution like
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that would be a job that I would not
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the job that I do do is like a little
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usually will just say yes so that's how
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much I don't want to bother explaining
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the situation okay yeah yeah I'm still
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I'll sometimes say I don't technically
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work for them actually but I still do
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lots of stuff with them and they're
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great and I love the University right
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right there you go no follow-up
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the modern world like I think that's
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uncomfortable area sometimes when I'm
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meeting new people I do like to try to
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play a little game to keep evenings more
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interesting at least in my head which is
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do game I can see how long you can go in
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think you're running that don't ask me
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proud to be a human paper love that's
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what you're going with
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of like the opposite of a paper cut we
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you know where I'm coming from I know
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where you're coming from
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alright okay and this is and it happened
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lanes and you know amongst all the
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traffic of the UK and then like you hear
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coming up behind you in the distance
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mm-hmm and all of a sudden all the
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inside lanes and pull over and do
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everything they can to get out the way
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of the ambulance and suddenly like all
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bets are off all the rules of the road
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are off and no one cares about who's in
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front of anyone else anymore or what
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we're doing all we have to do is help
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this ambulance get through and save a
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life and we all pull over and like go
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into weird angles and they
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ambulance goes blazing past and then we
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the road and continue driving and for
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those like few seconds we were all
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heroes helping save a life and we were
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all united and for a few seconds
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we were unselfish and didn't just care
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about what we were doing and where we
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we all cared about something else and it
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always makes me feel warm you feel like
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your hero when you pull out of the way
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of the ambulance Brady yeah I do and I
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also you feel a bit like edgy because
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you're like driving in a way you're not
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supposed to and people would driving on
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the wrong side of the road and also you
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know you could do anything you want as
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long as you save their life I love it I
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love it I think it is the law that an
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ambulance radiates a traffic violation
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free zone of 200 meters around it in
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every direction as its barreling along I
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think that's the way that works right
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like no-one's going to give you a ticket
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for that kind of stuff how would they
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know though if you'd like ran a red
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light you like you had to brake a red
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light to get out the way or something to
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let an ambulance through is there some
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automated way for them to know that that
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was okay the brick the running of that
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red light like yeah that's an
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interesting question with like the
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automated intersections yeah don't know
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sure people or no but someone has to
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have been in that situation of getting a
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ticket for crossing a red light to get
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out of the way of an ambulance right
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this has to have happened somewhere in
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an automated system yeah I would be
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willing to bet that there is no town or
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local government that wouldn't over turn
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that ticket if they had a record of the
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ambulance going through at that moment
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that sounds like a lot of work for me to
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write a letter in and say actually this
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is what I was doing and for them to go
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and like check the records I actually
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there was an ambulance that probably had
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to go that way that day because there
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was this you know it seems like a lot of
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fattening yeah I mean it's going to be
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some faffing I think it's also going to
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be very rare but I think it's going to
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have happened also if you don't want to
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write a letter to the council I'll
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remind you of the time that you severely
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packaged up whatever the hell it was two
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pence to send to that company that you
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need to pay every once in a while you
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know you're a man who could do some
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faffing right I'm trying to sound not
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grumpy for a minute hey you don't have
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to bring that up again no Brady it they
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don't mean to grandpa feiyu everybody
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loves a happy Brady nobody loves a
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grumpy Brady complaining about things
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that's not fun for anybody at all I know
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you don't drive in the UK but you you do
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drive in this
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it's occasionally like do you enjoy that
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when you get to like you know do some
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cool jumping out the way of the
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ambulance action might be a hero as
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always with these things Brady I am
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charmed by the way your mind just works
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differently like I find it really
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charming that you're thinking of
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yourself as a hero when you do this okay
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like a thrill of excitement for pulling
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out of the way I don't actually think
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I'm a hero but what I feel is like a
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camaraderie that we're all pulling in to
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help like I don't think like I've saved
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but I do through this crime battery with
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my fellow drivers that we've all pulled
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together for a common cause and suddenly
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we've all been linked together and we're
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all doing a good thing but the thing is
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really my view of this is like obviously
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of course it's great that everybody does
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this but it's like a tit-for-tat thing
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in society we all do this because we
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also want other people to do this when
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we're in the ambulance yeah of course
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yeah that's why this works but that's
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how this is happening that's funny
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actually I never think about the fact
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that could be a person in the ambulance
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it's always my assumption the ambulance
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is going to the place where the
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emergency is and I'm probably right more
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than I'm wrong because if they've got
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the lights on and stuff they probably
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haven't got the person yet because
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normally when the person's in the
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ambulance they're treating them they
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don't drive so fast it's like less dire
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because they're already treating the
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person and although I'm going to say
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that the distinction without a
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difference though because you still need
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to get the ambulance there yeah yeah
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yeah yeah no it's just interesting that
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you thought there was like a sick person
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in there and in your sort of made-up
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version in your head and mine was the
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opposite I guess this was again one of
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these things I never really thought
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about but it does make sense that they
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can be a little bit more relaxed on the
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way back to the hospital as opposed to
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the way out of the hospital well they
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probably also don't want to go swinging
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around barreling around corners and
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stuff when there's like yeah well it's
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like an old lady who's fallen down the
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stairs that's right I was like we got to
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go to the hospital as fast as possible I
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Drive like a maniac over those speed
00:34:57
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bumps is like now is probably not a good
00:34:58
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idea I know a lot of ambulance drivers
00:34:59
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listen to hello Internet
00:35:01
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which doesn't surprise me because it's a
00:35:02
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job I imagine with a lot of sitting
00:35:04
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around downtime yeah almost certainly
00:35:06
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there's a lot of downtime with that all
00:35:07
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the ambulance drivers out there
00:35:08
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listening to hello Internet
00:35:10
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thank you for what you do thank you for
00:35:14
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keeping all these people alive thank you
00:35:16
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tweet gray if you need an ambulance
00:35:18
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nope do not tweet gray if you're in an
00:35:20
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that is not what I want gray I've been
00:35:25
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spending more and more time in London
00:35:27
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lately for various work reasons and I
00:35:29
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was there for a few days recently as you
00:35:31
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know yes we saw each other but I had to
00:35:34
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get a few Ebers and cabs around the
00:35:37
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place and I'm really struggling with
00:35:39
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black cabs versus ubers you did mention
00:35:44
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last episode or a couple episodes ago
00:35:46
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that you were falling out of love with
00:35:47
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uber and I was I found this an
00:35:48
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interesting little throwaway Brady
00:35:52
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comment so I was kind of wondering
00:35:53
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what's going on with that well this is
00:35:55
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more of a London thing in this
00:35:57
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particular context that I was talking
00:35:59
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about America when I was talking about
00:36:00
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that and I do mainly still use uber in
00:36:03
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the States but in London I'm now not
00:36:05
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sure which is the best way to go black
00:36:08
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cab or uber because I'm having good and
00:36:10
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bad experiences with each mm-hmm and the
00:36:14
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main thing that it centers around the
00:36:17
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main difference is black cab drivers
00:36:20
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know where they're going and that is a
00:36:23
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very important skill in London more so
00:36:26
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than other cities all the little
00:36:28
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shortcuts all the little what do they
00:36:29
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call it the knowledge and things like
00:36:31
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that those little things matter in
00:36:33
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London more than almost any other city
00:36:35
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you can drive in and most urban drivers
00:36:38
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just sort of follow their sat-nav they
00:36:40
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don't know where they're going
00:36:40
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I swear they would drive into the Thames
00:36:42
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if their phone told them to like they
00:36:44
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just follow where they're supposed to go
00:36:46
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and they go there and it results in some
00:36:48
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really slow journeys and roundabout ways
00:36:51
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of getting places whereas black cab
00:36:53
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drivers like they'll see a little
00:36:54
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traffic jam ahead and they know if they
00:36:56
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go down that Lane and turn left and do a
00:36:57
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right and cut through the park they'll
00:36:59
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get somewhere twice as quick they know
00:37:01
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the layer of London better and sometimes
00:37:03
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that's very advantageous hmm I'd be
00:37:06
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surprised if you could question that
00:37:08
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that seems to be the case to me on the
00:37:11
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other hand black cab drivers can be
00:37:15
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absolute asses and if they decide they
00:37:20
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do or don't want to go somewhere or do
00:37:21
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something that's it they don't care
00:37:24
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about customer service a new bird driver
00:37:26
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will take you where you got to go
00:37:27
◼
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because they've got to get their money
00:37:28
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and not get in trouble from uber mmm-hmm
00:37:29
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a black cab driver might just look at a
00:37:31
◼
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traffic jam ahead and go I can't be
00:37:33
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doing with that
00:37:34
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just kick you out of the car have you
00:37:36
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had that happen I have had that happen
00:37:37
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I've been in cars what I've said all
00:37:38
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this is going to take for ages I think
00:37:40
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you just get out now the other day
00:37:42
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though I was at Paddington I was staying
00:37:44
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at Paddington next to Paddington train
00:37:45
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station and I needed to get across to
00:37:48
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another part of town the driver went a
00:37:50
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►
certain way where he thought he would be
00:37:52
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able to cut through a park it turns out
00:37:54
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there were roadworks and he got diverted
00:37:55
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and then he got caught in a jam and he
00:37:57
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went down a lane and he took all these
00:37:59
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►
twisty turns there was 15 pounds on the
00:38:02
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fare the meter we turned a corner and we
00:38:05
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►
were back at Paddington Station where
00:38:08
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the trip started I said to him I'm
00:38:11
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getting out now and getting the tube and
00:38:13
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he said yeah that's probably a good idea
00:38:15
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and soon took my money I mean look I
00:38:18
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mean this this is the thing Brady you
00:38:19
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►
said oh I can't deny that the knowledge
00:38:22
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of all of these tiny little London
00:38:23
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streets is valuable it's like yeah I
00:38:27
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know what you mean by that
00:38:28
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►
but that exact situation that you just
00:38:31
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►
described is the thing that I think
00:38:33
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►
people don't account for which is taxi
00:38:35
◼
►
cab drivers they can't possibly know
00:38:36
◼
►
what the situation is on all the little
00:38:38
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►
side streets and if they're turning off
00:38:40
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►
on some side story like they can't know
00:38:42
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►
what construction is occurring or what
00:38:44
◼
►
roads are shut down like that's not
00:38:45
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going to happen when I'm in an uber
00:38:47
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►
there's a little thing that I learned
00:38:48
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►
about the driving directions on uber
00:38:52
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►
from one of the drivers which I found
00:38:53
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►
really interesting so if I get in an
00:38:55
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►
uber and I see that the driver is not
00:38:58
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►
using their sat-nav which enough of them
00:39:02
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►
do and this seems to be actually a
00:39:05
◼
►
former taxi cab driver kind of thing
00:39:07
◼
►
like a guy who used to drive for
00:39:09
◼
►
something else is gone for uber that
00:39:12
◼
►
always makes me nervous right because
00:39:13
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►
it's like here's a guy who's just going
00:39:15
◼
►
to try to drive across the city using
00:39:17
◼
►
what's ever in his head and I never I
00:39:18
◼
►
never want them to do that but when they
00:39:20
◼
►
are allowed to do is somewhere within
00:39:22
◼
►
the app they have a setting where they
00:39:24
◼
►
can tell ober which of the various
00:39:27
◼
►
mapping services they want Ober to use
00:39:31
◼
►
to get them from point A to point B so
00:39:33
◼
►
they can say like oh I want to use Apple
00:39:35
◼
►
Maps or I want to use Google Maps or I
00:39:37
◼
►
want to use Waze I wish in uber I had a
00:39:41
◼
►
setting where I could just say listen to
00:39:44
◼
►
BER driver when you pick me up I know
00:39:46
◼
►
you might think you know a better way
00:39:48
◼
►
but could you just use Google Maps just
00:39:50
◼
►
use Google Maps they do the live traffic
00:39:53
◼
►
stuff they check every few minutes to
00:39:55
◼
►
see if there's a faster way they're
00:39:57
◼
►
crowdsourcing all the data on the road
00:39:59
◼
►
so they know exactly how all the roads
00:40:00
◼
►
are doing right at this very moment just
00:40:02
◼
►
use that like I don't want you to use
00:40:04
◼
►
your human judgement about what you
00:40:06
◼
►
think should happen I want you to use
00:40:08
◼
►
the collective knowledge and
00:40:09
◼
►
automatically updated information that's
00:40:12
◼
►
something like Google Maps has don't use
00:40:15
◼
►
Apple maps because they don't do that
00:40:16
◼
►
same thing it's just going to drive you
00:40:17
◼
►
down the same busy streets all the time
00:40:19
◼
►
I wish like I could force the driver to
00:40:22
◼
►
use Google Maps from my end as opposed
00:40:25
◼
►
to either trying to use his own brain or
00:40:26
◼
►
trying to use a worse mapping service I
00:40:29
◼
►
mean I can't comment on Google Maps
00:40:31
◼
►
versus Apple maps and I know like you
00:40:33
◼
►
know I know about controversies and
00:40:35
◼
►
opinions and I'll take your word for
00:40:36
◼
►
that Google Maps is loads better that
00:40:38
◼
►
would make sense to me and I also don't
00:40:40
◼
►
know what devices some of the drivers
00:40:43
◼
►
I've experienced were using maybe none
00:40:46
◼
►
of them were using Google Maps but I do
00:40:48
◼
►
think London can be bit of an exception
00:40:51
◼
►
and I do think sometimes a little bit of
00:40:53
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►
common sense like just a human looking
00:40:57
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►
out the window can override what even
00:41:00
◼
►
the best app is telling them to do
00:41:02
◼
►
because I've been times where I've going
00:41:04
◼
►
somewhere and the place we're heading is
00:41:05
◼
►
in front of us and I can see it in the
00:41:08
◼
►
clear roads in front of us and suddenly
00:41:10
◼
►
they'll veer off down some side street
00:41:12
◼
►
because an app told them to and I'm like
00:41:13
◼
►
what are you doing like we were nearly
00:41:16
◼
►
there and you know the apps are getting
00:41:17
◼
►
better and better but sometimes a human
00:41:19
◼
►
does kind of know stuff that maybe the
00:41:22
◼
►
app doesn't know or can't see or hasn't
00:41:24
◼
►
updated yet but I respect what you're
00:41:26
◼
►
saying and I see both sides of this and
00:41:29
◼
►
I do get a bit frustrated by uber
00:41:30
◼
►
drivers in London I think they make
00:41:32
◼
►
silly silly decisions I think they're
00:41:35
◼
►
like you know do whatever the computer
00:41:36
◼
►
says and I don't always think that's the
00:41:38
◼
►
best yeah that's exactly what I want
00:41:39
◼
►
do whatever the computer says okay so
00:41:43
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►
speaking of London I would like to
00:41:46
◼
►
register on this podcast a formal
00:41:48
◼
►
complaint with the city government of
00:41:51
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►
London is you never talk about rubbish
00:41:53
◼
►
again I we've learned our lesson brady
00:41:55
◼
►
there's some topics that we should
00:41:57
◼
►
probably avoid on this podcast the news
00:41:59
◼
►
rubbish collection
00:42:01
◼
►
these are things that are just they're
00:42:03
◼
►
too intense to be discussed about let's
00:42:06
◼
►
just stick to politics in religion no
00:42:07
◼
►
cock bitch of nerds uh but I was in
00:42:11
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►
central London the other day and in
00:42:13
◼
►
particular I was at a place where just
00:42:15
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►
for the circumstances of life I haven't
00:42:16
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►
been in probably years which is
00:42:20
◼
►
Trafalgar Square yeah I suddenly realize
00:42:23
◼
►
like oh I used to be in this area all
00:42:24
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►
the time and for whatever reason like
00:42:26
◼
►
some of the patterns my life changed I
00:42:28
◼
►
just hadn't been there for forever and I
00:42:29
◼
►
was I was walking around if you ask
00:42:31
◼
►
people to name places in London
00:42:33
◼
►
Trafalgar Square has got to be in the
00:42:35
◼
►
top three of like places they can name
00:42:36
◼
►
you know for tourist stuff and boy was I
00:42:40
◼
►
disappointed with the way that your
00:42:43
◼
►
fungus Square is set up now hmm because
00:42:45
◼
►
here's the thing Trafalgar Square now
00:42:49
◼
►
has little signs everywhere that are all
00:42:53
◼
►
about safety they're all about telling
00:42:56
◼
►
you what you can't do so if you ever see
00:43:00
◼
►
footage of Trafalgar Square
00:43:01
◼
►
like olden days footage of Trafalgar
00:43:03
◼
►
Square there were probably three things
00:43:06
◼
►
that you're going to identify as the fun
00:43:09
◼
►
things in Trafalgar Square why it would
00:43:11
◼
►
be a tourist attraction
00:43:13
◼
►
rahhh number one enormous flocks of
00:43:16
◼
►
pigeons everywhere yeah now years ago
00:43:19
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►
they got rid of the pigeons which I can
00:43:23
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►
sort of be okay with like I can kind of
00:43:25
◼
►
understand wanting to get rid of the
00:43:27
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►
pigeons but there's no pigeons there
00:43:29
◼
►
anymore the other two things the things
00:43:32
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►
that remained into fogger Square were
00:43:35
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►
people playing in the fountains and
00:43:36
◼
►
people climbing on the lions yeah okay
00:43:40
◼
►
but now in Trafalgar Square
00:43:42
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►
there are signs everywhere everywhere
00:43:45
◼
►
telling you you're not allowed in the
00:43:48
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►
fountains and you're not allowed on the
00:43:50
◼
►
Lions you're not allowed on the lawns
00:43:51
◼
►
anymore yeah there's a big sign that
00:43:54
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►
says don't sit on the lion right in each
00:43:57
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►
fountain there are four signs telling
00:44:01
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►
you you're not allowed in the fountains
00:44:03
◼
►
and there's a security guy who was
00:44:07
◼
►
admittedly half-heartedly but
00:44:09
◼
►
nonetheless still doing it telling
00:44:11
◼
►
people to get off the Lions at Trafalgar
00:44:13
◼
►
Square is that the same person who has
00:44:15
◼
►
telling you to be quiet and not take
00:44:17
◼
►
photos in the Sistine Chapel maybe like
00:44:21
◼
►
I honestly kind of felt bad for the guy
00:44:23
◼
►
he did seem to be real half-hearted
00:44:25
◼
►
about it but here's the thing so it's
00:44:26
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►
like okay I'm standing into fog square I
00:44:28
◼
►
was just like this place is now kind of
00:44:31
◼
►
awful because all of the things that
00:44:34
◼
►
were interesting you're not supposed to
00:44:36
◼
►
it's like okay you got rid of the
00:44:38
◼
►
pigeons whatever but if you also get rid
00:44:41
◼
►
of the other two things then there's
00:44:42
◼
►
just nothing here right then what it is
00:44:45
◼
►
is it's actually just this like barren
00:44:48
◼
►
area of concrete for the most part that
00:44:51
◼
►
has no real interest like I was standing
00:44:53
◼
►
there looking at like why would any
00:44:55
◼
►
tourists actually come to see Trafalgar
00:44:57
◼
►
Square at this point it's just mostly
00:44:59
◼
►
concrete yeah I guess you got to cut
00:45:01
◼
►
through it to get to the nice art
00:45:02
◼
►
galleries but that's about it really
00:45:04
◼
►
that's exactly it and the other thing is
00:45:06
◼
►
like okay so all of these things you
00:45:07
◼
►
can't do but what you can do is be a
00:45:11
◼
►
really low effort cheap busker right in
00:45:16
◼
►
front of the art galleries yeah right
00:45:18
◼
►
yeah I'm staying there in Trafalgar
00:45:20
◼
►
Square and no joke
00:45:23
◼
►
I'm counting there are one two three of
00:45:27
◼
►
those floating Yoda guys sitting in
00:45:30
◼
►
front of the art gallery yeah right
00:45:32
◼
►
everywhere those things yeah but there
00:45:35
◼
►
are three of them within eyesight of
00:45:38
◼
►
floating yarda guys yeah you know what
00:45:41
◼
►
I'm talking about I know exactly what I
00:45:42
◼
►
mean the guy they're all doing that
00:45:44
◼
►
stupid cheap trick where like for a
00:45:46
◼
►
split second it looks like they're
00:45:47
◼
►
floating until you realize oh right
00:45:49
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►
they're floating above a platform and
00:45:51
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►
they have a staff that goes down to the
00:45:52
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►
platform and the staff is just holding
00:45:53
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►
them up right with a ring around their
00:45:55
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►
back it's like yeah it takes a child two
00:45:57
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►
seconds it's like why do people give
00:45:58
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►
these guys money right I don't
00:46:00
◼
►
understand why three of them are allowed
00:46:03
◼
►
it's like the thing that drives me crazy
00:46:05
◼
►
about is like mr. falker Square there's
00:46:07
◼
►
nothing to goddamn do here now there's
00:46:10
◼
►
the National Art Gallery like just a big
00:46:13
◼
►
incredibly impressive art gallery yep
00:46:17
◼
►
and right in front of it it's just like
00:46:19
◼
►
you've planted an enormous turd of like
00:46:21
◼
►
here's just three cheapo buskers who are
00:46:25
◼
►
standing here yeah there's also another
00:46:26
◼
►
busker which was I'm sure
00:46:28
◼
►
properly licensed minion from that
00:46:31
◼
►
stupid movie just standing around like
00:46:34
◼
►
the thing that bothered me more as well
00:46:36
◼
►
is like okay so they have these stupid
00:46:37
◼
►
Buster guys there's also the people who
00:46:39
◼
►
are then just like drawing on the
00:46:41
◼
►
sidewalk as well alright people who are
00:46:43
◼
►
like doing artwork on the sidewalk and
00:46:45
◼
►
one of them I looked down and I was like
00:46:47
◼
►
okay oasiz mildly interesting this guy
00:46:49
◼
►
is doing all of the flags of the world
00:46:51
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►
right in front of the Yoda
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so it's like left hand side of Trafalgar
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Square there's a Yoda and in front of
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him is this guy drawing all these flags
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it's like okay least this guy's putting
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some effort into what he's doing a bunch
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of flags it's kind of like an
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interesting thing to do it's interesting
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to look at that's fine I walked to the
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other end of the square past one Yoda
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and then when I get to the final Yoda
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who is on the opposite side guess what's
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in front of him a guy doing flags the
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exact same goddamn thing like the same
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flags in the same order and it's like
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you're not even like a whole bunch of
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individual buskers doing your own thing
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like this is that you're now like these
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charity harassers that always come in
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pairs right because they know they're
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gonna get you depending on which side of
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the street you're coming from yeah so
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all of these things together turn to
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fogger Square to me into just like this
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boring depressing ugly cheap feeling
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area filled with signs telling you what
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not to do and also just filled with the
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junk iasts minimal effort begging for
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money entertainment in front of a
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world-class art gallery there could
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possibly be I just sent you an iMessage
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a couple of the photos that I took the
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do not climb on the line sign is very
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bespoke that is the Trafalgar Square
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lion right like they want to make it
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really clear that you're not supposed to
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climb on that lion they should make
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those signs and put them around safari
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parks in Africa too
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yes there it would be genuinely more
00:48:08
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advisable not to climb on the lion that
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would be a really bad idea
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but it bothers me as well because if you
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look at these pictures I'll put them in
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the show notes the signs are not just
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signs they're like big placards they're
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like everywhere there's so many of them
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and they're very like brutal in their
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design yeah they're very brutal in their
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design in addition to every sign telling
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you not to do something so don't feed
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the pigeons which is a sign that's like
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the size of a small child just dispersed
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all over this concrete expanse on the
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back of every one of them there's a
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gigantic CCTV in operation
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with a camera that's like looking down
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upon you on the crowd it's like they're
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trying to make this place the most
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unfriendly estate in the whole of the
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city it's like wherever you look it
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don't feed the pigeons don't get on the
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Lions don't get in the fountains and by
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the way we're watching you with cameras
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all the time if you were put in charge
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of Trafalgar Square for 24 hours and you
00:49:00
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could do what you want and change what
00:49:01
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you wanted what would you do to improve
00:49:03
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the place I'd bring back everything now
00:49:04
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he'd started a pigeon breeding program I
00:49:07
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swear to God I would write I loved the
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pigeons when I was that that was the my
00:49:11
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favorite thing when I was a terrorist
00:49:12
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yes taking pictures of like my
00:49:14
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girlfriend getting attacked by pigeons
00:49:15
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yeah everybody did that like I remember
00:49:17
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it it was really fun when I first came
00:49:19
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to the city and the pigeons were here
00:49:20
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are you walking through Trafalgar Square
00:49:22
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and he always felt like a little bit
00:49:23
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like you're taking your life into your
00:49:24
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own hands why for these huge swarms of
00:49:26
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pigeons going all over the place but it
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was great it was a notable memorable
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like fun thing for tourists to do is
00:49:34
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like oh yeah you go to Trafalgar Square
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and there is a swarm of pigeons like
00:49:38
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you're gonna see nowhere else in the
00:49:39
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world again I was okay with getting rid
00:49:42
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of the pigeons but that was like under
00:49:44
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the implied assumption that like oh
00:49:46
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people could still play in the fountains
00:49:47
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and climb on the lions right but if you
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take away everything now I feel like the
00:49:51
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hell with its health and safety gone mad
00:49:53
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I tell you it makes me angry like and it
00:49:55
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makes me want to call for people to just
00:49:57
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be like this like climb the Lions right
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like when you go to Trafalgar Square
00:50:01
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like get on the goddamn lion right grey
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I want you to go there this week and
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take a picture of yourself up on the
00:50:07
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line put it in the show notes like Brady
00:50:09
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here's the thing I did go on the line
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you climbed up on the line yeah I did I
00:50:14
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only have a picture from the back but
00:50:16
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it's like look I got up on the thing and
00:50:18
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I took a picture from the back of the
00:50:20
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lion and I'm like the hell with this
00:50:21
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like screw you with your signs
00:50:23
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I waited for the little guard guy to
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walk away but like I'm still gonna go on
00:50:27
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this thing you're giving oh I I'm like
00:50:29
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stop this I'm doing it look at guys oh
00:50:32
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nice break I'm no fool I like I want to
00:50:34
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call for people to climb the Lions I
00:50:36
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want to call for people to go to the
00:50:37
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pools and you know what it makes you
00:50:39
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want to do it makes me want to buy bread
00:50:40
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and spread it all over the whole center
00:50:42
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of the place bring the pigeons back it
00:50:44
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really does like all of these signs is
00:50:45
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too far it's unreasonable it makes me
00:50:48
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angry and it makes me feel like engaging
00:50:50
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in civil disobedience and calling upon
00:50:52
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the whole of the audience to engage in
00:50:54
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civil disobedience at Trafalgar Square
00:50:56
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you disagree Brady do you think it's
00:50:58
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reasonable to say you can't climb on the
00:50:59
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Lions I think you should be allowed to
00:51:01
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climb on the Lions I can't believe
00:51:03
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you're not allowed to I think you should
00:51:04
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be allowed to go in the fountain I don't
00:51:06
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know if like you should whip up a frenzy
00:51:09
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►
of civil disobedience and I think maybe
00:51:12
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we should like campaign for the laws to
00:51:14
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change or the bylaws or the rules or the
00:51:16
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►
regulation or the whatever they've done
00:51:19
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well that sounds like a lot less fun and
00:51:21
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►
a lot more work yeah would you be
00:51:23
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willing to retweet people who take
00:51:24
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photos of themselves on the line if it's
00:51:26
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►
date stamped after the date of this
00:51:28
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►
podcast I'm not signing up to retweet
00:51:31
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►
everybody in the universe here Brady but
00:51:32
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I buy the first 10 the first 10 people
00:51:34
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who do it if I see some interesting acts
00:51:36
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►
of Trafalgar Square civil disobedience I
00:51:40
◼
►
will be sure to promote them you know I
00:51:41
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want to say the Tim's Day I want to see
00:51:43
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them get a picture of someone sitting on
00:51:46
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►
a line on the Wikipedia page for
00:51:48
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►
Trafalgar Square luck that page down Oh
00:51:54
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Brady I wish you wouldn't call for these
00:51:56
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constant messing around with the
00:51:58
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Wikipedia by the way the black stamp is
00:52:00
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on the page last I checked oh yeah oh
00:52:02
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►
yeah yeah sanity has prevailed
00:52:04
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what is the listed source for my tea
00:52:06
◼
►
black stamp is the podcast there's this
00:52:07
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page this Emporia State which does stuff
00:52:10
◼
►
to do with skyscrapers and buildings and
00:52:12
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stuff and it was referred to on that so
00:52:14
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that's what they're using I'm very happy
00:52:16
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for you Brady thank you does the mighty
00:52:18
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►
black stump it would be gone by the end
00:52:19
◼
►
of this segment
00:52:22
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we can trust the audience right though
00:52:24
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they will protect the mighty black stump
00:52:26
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on that page they don't no not mighty
00:52:28
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just blacks yeah the mighty black stump
00:52:30
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that's why I said they'll protect that
00:52:31
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just as it should be and that's
00:52:34
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fantastic this episode has been brought
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00:54:35
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Wikipedia it has been drawn to my
00:54:38
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attention from a few Wikipedia editors
00:54:40
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that there's a bit of a kerfuffle
00:54:42
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happening over on the mail and gear page
00:54:45
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apparently is a bit of a fight as to
00:54:48
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whether or not
00:54:49
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Wikipedia has the right to use that
00:54:52
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image whether or not it is in the public
00:54:55
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domain because on our show where we
00:54:59
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talked about the flag a long time ago I
00:55:01
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made some comments that sounded vaguely
00:55:03
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like the public domain but I didn't
00:55:06
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actually say the words the public domain
00:55:08
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I said something like the nail and gear
00:55:10
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flag belongs to the people but so I just
00:55:14
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want to get it on record here for
00:55:16
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Wikipedia editors and Tim's everywhere
00:55:21
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citizens of the podcast
00:55:23
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that the hello Internet flag the
00:55:26
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official flag is in the public domain
00:55:29
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that's the Nile and giya that is the
00:55:31
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nail in gear yeah there's no other flag
00:55:33
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there's no other contingent that could
00:55:35
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possibly happen here just to be clear
00:55:36
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but not the HEI logo you're saying
00:55:38
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here's actually where I want to go with
00:55:40
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this right it's like yeah we'll get to
00:55:41
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this in a second okay the nail and gear
00:55:44
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is in the public domain you can make
00:55:46
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your own Flags you can do whatever you
00:55:49
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want with this because I feel like just
00:55:51
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like national flags I think most
00:55:54
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national flags if not all national flags
00:55:56
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are in the public domain like the
00:55:58
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citizens can do what they want with them
00:56:00
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I know for sure that the United States
00:56:01
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flag is in that case like that's
00:56:03
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absolutely great I want to put it here
00:56:05
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on the record it was born of the people
00:56:07
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for the people who are we to even be
00:56:09
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giving our permission
00:56:10
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that's exactly my feeling of this right
00:56:12
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is it's like this is of the community
00:56:15
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for the community and so it would feel
00:56:18
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really wrong for us to say like oh thank
00:56:22
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you community for gifting us with this
00:56:24
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flag we will now have copyright over it
00:56:27
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for the life of the creators Plus 70
00:56:29
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years right like it would just seem
00:56:31
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wrong but if you want to make a video of
00:56:33
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yourself reacting to the flag that's a
00:56:35
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whole other thing and you got to take
00:56:36
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that up with the farm brothers here's
00:56:38
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the thing Brady I want to get that on
00:56:40
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record for the Wikipedia I'm almost
00:56:42
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hesitant to do it because I feel like I
00:56:44
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have been I've been coming up against
00:56:49
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very recently another another kind of
00:56:52
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tale in the world of freebooting and
00:56:57
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using other people's intellectual
00:56:58
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property that I don't quite know how to
00:57:00
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deal with yeah and one of those things
00:57:03
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is actually related to exactly what you
00:57:05
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brought up before which is I've seen
00:57:08
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people making free booted bootleg hello
00:57:13
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internet merchandise under this exact
00:57:17
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premise of oh the nail in gear is in the
00:57:22
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public domain so everything they do on
00:57:27
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they must be cool with people just
00:57:29
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making whatever they want from it taking
00:57:32
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the logo and using it on other stuff
00:57:33
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taking things that we've said and use
00:57:36
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on merchandise or in posters or in all
00:57:38
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kinds of things I feel like it's very
00:57:40
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hard to make it clear that it's like
00:57:44
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this one thing is in the public domain
00:57:47
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but that doesn't mean the whole of the
00:57:49
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podcast is just like free for people to
00:57:53
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use for commercial purposes and the
00:57:56
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thing that is on top of this which I
00:57:58
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want to know if you have gotten any
00:57:59
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emails like this Brady because I feel
00:58:01
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like I have gotten a whole bunch of
00:58:03
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these in the past month which is an
00:58:06
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email along these lines someone takes
00:58:08
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something either from my videos or from
00:58:11
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the podcasts they're freebooting it in
00:58:13
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some manner or they're making
00:58:15
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merchandise and selling it in some
00:58:16
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manner and I get an email that says this
00:58:19
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oh hey CGP grey I have made some
00:58:24
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merchandise with your intellectual
00:58:26
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property or I have re-uploaded your
00:58:28
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videos to some other site or I have
00:58:30
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redubbed your videos with my own voice
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if you're not ok with this please just
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let me know and I'll take it down a
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hyper do you get these do you get these
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yes yes okay I mean I get more along the
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lines of saying you know can i reavoice
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all your videos with my Italian voice
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and reload them to YouTube mm-hmm which
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like they think that would just be fine
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which it isn't but yeah you must engage
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with me and have a conversation with me
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if you want to stop me infringing upon
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you yes terrible it's interesting as I
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haven't seen this before but just in the
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past couple months like I have suddenly
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gotten a whole bunch of these this feels
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to me like the new copyright not
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intended where people are like Oh
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permission implied right unless you tell
00:59:20
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me otherwise and if you think you're
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going to get a response from grey god
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join the queue I know it's like you're
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putting the burden on the person from
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whom you are infringing on in the first
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place it feels like it's a double insult
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and it almost feels like it's a triple
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insult because it's like this facade of
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politeness like oh hey I just want to
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let you know I'm using your words and
00:59:46
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your artwork to make some money for
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myself but if
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that's not cool with you guys just let
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me know and I'll be sure to take it down
00:59:53
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immediately yeah it feels like some
00:59:55
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people out there feel like they've
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figured out some kind of legal loophole
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right with just like oh he doesn't
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right with just like oh he doesn't
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and if he doesn't get back to me then
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it's all aboveboard because he had a
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possibility to get back to me so I agree
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there too you think one is there's that
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legal loophole thing and the other thing
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is if it's a bit more Fanny it was like
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an attempt to at least you know have a
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conversation with you but yeah it drives
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me crazy I completely 100% agree with
01:00:17
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you and it can work the other way too
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this sort of hoping that silence will
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mean you get away with something I got
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really badly free booted by mail online
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again recently surprise surprise and
01:00:29
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I've been like I sent them a bunch of
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emails like I always kick up a fuss with
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them and and they always end up having
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to concede and you know either make a
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payment or to do some sort of action but
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what they do now is they just don't
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reply to your emails and then eventually
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you send so many they replied say I care
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yep I'll get back to this on that
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shortly and then they'll just ignore you
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again for like weeks and weeks those
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every few weeks I have to just keep
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emailing them and they just it's hoping
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that something will just like slide by
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mm-hmm because there's so much stuff now
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and it works so well I'm sure so much of
01:00:59
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your stuff is getting stolen and
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exploited in that that you almost can't
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monitor at all so they're just hoping
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stuff will slip through the cracks and
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they'll have this little on the record
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paper trail as well though I did try to
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speak to him at least that's the thing
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that frustrates me and I feel like I
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want to bring it up because there's two
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things I think are happening here it's
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like that are a little bit related and
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it's the the flag belongs to the people
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for hello Internet then somehow gets
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expanded to everything is a-ok and then
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I think the other thing that you and I
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are probably both victim to is this oh
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you're making things in the field of
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education so we're all in the business
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of spreading around knowledge right like
01:01:42
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you wouldn't be against spreading around
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knowledge so you don't mind if I take
01:01:46
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all of your videos and redub them and
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just spread the word like I'm doing you
01:01:50
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a favor like I'm promoting your stuff
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and you just let me know if for some
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personal reason that's not okay with you
01:01:57
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but otherwise I'll keep doing this thing
01:01:58
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that benefits me that has this like
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skirt of decency like open I'm just
01:02:04
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doing it for education that's the thing
01:02:05
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that bothers me it's like it feels like
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like an assumption like an expanse of
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permission or like a disregard of
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Gouri so this also this leaking of
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implied consent mm-hmm also like makes
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me more wary than I should be because
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like for example if someone emails me
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and says are you know I'm doing a
01:02:28
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presentation to my school class this
01:02:32
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week and I want to show your video as
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part of it just like you know on the
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screen before I do my talk mm-hmm like
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you know who's going to object to that
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you know I wouldn't object to that you
01:02:43
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wouldn't object to that that's just a
01:02:44
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thing but I won't send them an email
01:02:45
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back saying yeah that's fine
01:02:47
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because then they've got an email from
01:02:49
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me saying they have permission to use my
01:02:52
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video and then they go oh I'm gonna
01:02:54
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upload it to YouTube as well mm-hmm and
01:02:56
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then suddenly they can point to this
01:02:58
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like email I've sent where I've said you
01:02:59
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can use the video so unless I have to
01:03:01
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write this trakone Ian's email to some
01:03:03
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school kids saying you can use it once
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and only once and you cannot upload it
01:03:07
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anywhere and like have to put all these
01:03:09
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like Trafalgar Square style regulations
01:03:11
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on my email right I can't just say to
01:03:14
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like a school kid yeah okay because like
01:03:16
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then it's like you've said yes and what
01:03:19
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else does that mean maybe this is the
01:03:21
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problem that's happened with nailing
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gear as well you know you gave an inch
01:03:24
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and they take a mile I have been in that
01:03:26
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exact situation actually which is
01:03:28
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earlier in my career when people are
01:03:31
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making totally reasonable requests like
01:03:32
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that like oh hey I want to use one of
01:03:34
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your videos in a not commercial way
01:03:37
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privately like within my school yeah and
01:03:39
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repel like yeah it's totally fine like
01:03:41
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who would say no to that
01:03:42
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right who would say no to that and then
01:03:45
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I later found my videos being used in
01:03:48
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educational software being sold on a
01:03:51
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commercial level to schools
01:03:53
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yeah and they point back to like oh you
01:03:55
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said it was okay to use your videos in
01:03:56
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schools like oh great like I have had
01:03:59
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that exact thing happen to me where it's
01:04:00
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like oh no you you gave consent you said
01:04:03
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it was okay here and now we have to have
01:04:04
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some argument over my exact wording
01:04:07
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click in an email that I thought was for
01:04:10
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one thing and was not for another thing
01:04:11
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yeah it is this like unfortunate
01:04:13
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situation where it feels like it's kind
01:04:16
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of ruined for everyone yeah because then
01:04:18
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I'm in a position where I can't say yes
01:04:21
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to reasonable things because I've had
01:04:23
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that held against me in the past
01:04:25
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yeah they just makes it feel bad all
01:04:27
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around and I just really don't like
01:04:30
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these people who think they're getting
01:04:32
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around the system by writing you a
01:04:34
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letter to let you know that you're okay
01:04:36
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with a thing unless you say no it makes
01:04:39
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me very mad it makes me very sad it
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makes me frustrated Brady I don't like
01:04:43
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it one bit the thing that put me over
01:04:45
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the edge for this was just this week I
01:04:47
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got an email from some guy at a
01:04:50
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marketing company who set up a meeting
01:04:52
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between the two of us and he wrote me to
01:04:55
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let me know to tell me to tell him
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if I didn't want to go to that meeting
01:05:00
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but otherwise it was in the calendar I
01:05:02
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did not reply to him well he's probably
01:05:06
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still sitting in some coffee shop
01:05:07
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waiting for you
01:05:08
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good I have got a little copyright gripe
01:05:10
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that I was going to bring up it's sort
01:05:12
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of paper cutting I guess and that is
01:05:14
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when people pinch YouTube footage or
01:05:17
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even if they pinch pictures this is an
01:05:20
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old media thing like newspapers and TV
01:05:22
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do this and maybe even they're allowed
01:05:25
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to be using it I'm not even going to
01:05:26
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argue with that because there is a fair
01:05:27
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use sometimes defense so maybe even
01:05:30
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they're using it fairly probably not but
01:05:33
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but regardless when they give the credit
01:05:36
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they credit YouTube or Facebook so
01:05:38
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they'll be like you know someone's video
01:05:40
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they've uploaded to YouTube and just as
01:05:42
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pictures courtesy of YouTube pictures
01:05:44
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from YouTube picture courtesy of
01:05:46
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Facebook you know what I love about that
01:05:51
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well is I feel like did you reach out to
01:05:54
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YouTube and even even ask did YouTube
01:05:58
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give you some kind of general permission
01:06:01
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to just use all of the videos on their
01:06:03
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site like I don't think you even have a
01:06:05
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courtesy of claimed here even if the
01:06:08
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word courtesy isn't used even if that is
01:06:10
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trying to credit even the source of the
01:06:12
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footage I'm not even talking about
01:06:13
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whether they have the rights to use the
01:06:15
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footage or not they probably don't
01:06:16
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mm-hmm but maybe they do have a right to
01:06:19
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user in some fair use contemporary news
01:06:21
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defense and I think maybe they think
01:06:24
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they're doing the right thing by you
01:06:26
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know giving a bit of credit and
01:06:27
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recognition instead of like you know
01:06:29
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crediting like the username or something
01:06:31
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sure from YouTube picture Facebook
01:06:34
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doesn't mind nothing some people do it
01:06:36
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right like I had you know
01:06:38
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and NBC and ABC and that used the Audrey
01:06:41
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video stuff there was a credit they
01:06:43
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credit the channel name YouTube / and
01:06:46
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the name of the channel it was on then
01:06:48
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it's like alright probably only one of
01:06:50
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the million people will actually bother
01:06:51
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to type they didn't go and look at it
01:06:52
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but at least you credited it properly
01:06:54
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and I felt okay about it which is
01:06:56
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crediting YouTube or Facebook or
01:06:58
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whatever yeah when I say that in
01:07:00
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articles it drives me crazy and it also
01:07:03
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feels like well if that's fair game
01:07:04
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every kid who's writing a paper anywhere
01:07:08
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in the world their entire reference
01:07:10
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section can just say facts courtesy of
01:07:13
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the library right the Internet that's
01:07:16
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what it is right like that's that's what
01:07:18
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the equivalent is here what I've seen as
01:07:20
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well is which I find is weirder I've
01:07:22
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seen a couple cases where someone will
01:07:25
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be quoted but they'll just be quoted as
01:07:27
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a twitter user right so they'll say like
01:07:30
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a twitter user said it's like you know
01:07:32
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that's a person right like there's a
01:07:34
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person on the other end of that
01:07:35
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who said that thing like why don't you
01:07:37
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include their name or their @ handle at
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best i presume it's a kind of laziness
01:07:43
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but something about it to me always
01:07:46
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feels a bit like how newspapers don't
01:07:49
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like to link to things it feels a bit
01:07:51
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like that like oh we just want to say
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it's youtube don't you worry your
01:07:54
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precious little head where it came from
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don't accidentally discover a thing that
01:07:58
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might be more interesting than what
01:07:59
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you're reading now that's what I think
01:08:01
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is like maybe the sinister side of it so
01:08:03
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it's either like laziness or it's a kind
01:08:05
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of please don't go anywhere Ness I'll
01:08:07
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give you one other sinister reason I'm
01:08:09
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joining you and kicking media today so
01:08:11
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you must be happy I'll give you another
01:08:13
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sinister reason why I bet they do it say
01:08:15
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they pinched a picture from one of your
01:08:16
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videos and they just said picture
01:08:18
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courtesy of YouTube okay they feel like
01:08:21
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they're sheathed in the protection of
01:08:23
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having credited it so when they use
01:08:24
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their fair use defense they can say we
01:08:27
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did attribution but if they credited it
01:08:30
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as picture YouTube CGP grey that greatly
01:08:34
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increases the ease with which people can
01:08:38
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they took CGP grey picture I'm going to
01:08:40
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email him and tell him mm-hmm and it
01:08:42
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increases the chances of the source
01:08:44
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being alerted to the theft that is one
01:08:47
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thing that I do kind of like about the
01:08:48
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Internet is at least when once you
01:08:52
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have an audience of some size like you
01:08:54
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you do have a little like a group of
01:08:56
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people out there who are helping to
01:08:57
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police this kind of stuff tadow Taos no
01:09:00
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no intellectual property right heroes
01:09:03
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no title tails and I feel like in this
01:09:07
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case I'm willing to stand behind that
01:09:08
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actually the more I think about it there
01:09:10
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freebooting sheriffs yeah yeah I think
01:09:15
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that's really good yeah of course not
01:09:17
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just for us but I think it's it's like a
01:09:19
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keeping people honest kind of thing like
01:09:23
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in the broader sense it's like hey I can
01:09:25
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only be helpful if the freebooters know
01:09:27
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that the audience is literate in the
01:09:30
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world of copyright infringement and is
01:09:32
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going to call them on it when they do it
01:09:34
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yeah and it's not just the luck of the
01:09:36
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draw whether or not you and I
01:09:37
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individually catch them yeah yeah
01:09:39
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quote from a Twitter user great a plus
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work there now I'll say one thing in
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defense of that oh you can't help
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yourself Brady I'll say one thing in
01:09:50
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defense of a Twitter user uh-huh if it's
01:09:52
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kind of just incidental right and it's
01:09:54
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just kind of giving you a color of the
01:09:57
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sort of response that was happening
01:09:59
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right so you're picking one tweet that
01:10:01
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you think is like representative of what
01:10:02
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was going on okay say that's what you're
01:10:04
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doing it's not like this is the source
01:10:06
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of the story this isn't like you know
01:10:08
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deep throat who's telling you the source
01:10:09
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it's just to give you an idea of the
01:10:11
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sort of things that were being said
01:10:12
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quite often on Twitter you haven't got
01:10:14
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the person's name you probably shouldn't
01:10:16
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use the person's name either because
01:10:17
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it's kind of maybe a bit unfair on them
01:10:19
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and if you start using you know things
01:10:21
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like at gummybear 4:38 said mm-hmm it
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just kind of makes like the story messy
01:10:28
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and like for the reader it becomes like
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a an obstacle to the smooth reading of
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the story at a point where you didn't
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want to have an obstacle like you didn't
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want the reader to be bogged down with
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what the hell is that word at gummy bear
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with spoke with an i and an underscore
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and okay suddenly the Raiders like is it
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then don't use it then right like I
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understand what you're saying here like
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oh this hoping you might know I've said
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you've made the decision to use it
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because you know you want to give people
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a feel for how social media was reacting
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to a thing like you know and there was
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one that you thought was like you know
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as a journalist and picks
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there is kind of representative of the
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overall reaction that was happening at
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the time I could see a time where that
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would be fair and you know what you and
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I do it all the time on the podcast
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we'll just sort of brush over along the
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lines of oh yeah I saw someone on
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Twitter saying well we'll say lots of
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people on reddit was saying this lots of
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people on reddit were commenting that it
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was really funny when grey talked about
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we're not listing their names we're not
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attributing them all we're just giving
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people a feel without getting bogged
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down and I think it's unfair that you
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and I can do it on the podcast but
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you're going to make every single
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newspaper journalist attribute every
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single comment if it's not germane and
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not really important to the point that's
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being made look here we go we can't help
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ourselves we can help ourselves reading
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it's good it's gonna keep going oh no
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nothing no we're not stopping I'm not
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giving you the last word on that one no
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that's you can have the last word I'm
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not replying to it I'll just say I think
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I think your phrase there was is exactly
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right I'd like if we were saying a bunch
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of people on reddit said yeah and of
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course and you don't need to quote them
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all because you're just doing a
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description of in general how people
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felt about a thing so if a news article
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wanted to write like in general social
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media seem to be saying things like and
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they just gave a generic quote as
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opposed to a thing that a specific
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person said like that's obviously fine
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but I think if you're if you're quoting
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an actual person if you're using their
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words well then you have to suck it up
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that it's at gummybear 78 and you need
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to put that in your article like as the
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source of the thing that your quote like
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once you're quoting someone you should
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say who you're quoting I think that's
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very very required and lastly I'll just
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say that Brady you and I I'm not sure if
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you're aware but we are not a News
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podcast we're just two dudes talking
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talking to a larger audience than many
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news organizations might have last word
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you just had the last word by the way I
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just remembered something when I spoke
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about Miami last episode and I sort of
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you know I guess I had I was more down
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than up on it there was one thing about
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my trip to Miami that I liked that
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you would have liked and that was the
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hotel I was staying in had two things
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that I think would have warmed your
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heart okay one is they had a small
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little group of tesla's that would just
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take you wherever you wanted to go with
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drivers so if you were going anywhere on
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the strip within a few miles you could
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just go downstairs and just jump in a
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Tesla with another driver and they would
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take you there so you got to spend lots
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of time in Tesla's so you would have
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like that question yeah could you have
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taken the Tesla and just ask them to
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just drive you around like I don't want
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to go anywhere let's just drive around
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the block a few times it's a good
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question and I think the answer was
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probably yes so pretty cool guys all
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right fantastic yeah I mean one time he
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just because it was so expensive to get
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your laundry down this hotel it was
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ridiculous the amount it cost to get one
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polo shirt washed was the same as it
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cost me to get the whole bundle of
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washing done down the other end of the
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strip at a laundromat so I took my
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clothes to a laundromat and so when I
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needed to pick it up I just said to him
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I gotta go and pick up my washing and he
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just drove me down there I walked in and
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picked it up and walked back out and he
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drove me back so equivalent I pretty
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much did just go up and down the strip
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to come exactly and he drove me so you
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could have done that you could have just
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come up with an excuse like I want to go
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and get a cup of water from a shop down
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the other end or something I want to go
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down to the end of the block and then
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once were there let's go down to the
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other end of the block yeah well he had
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he don't have to go back anyway each
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time so tell me more about this car
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you're driving what do you like what
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that was it and everyone wants to talk
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about Tesla's don't they so he would
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always talk to you about it and my wife
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hadn't been in one before so you know he
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was showing stuff and he a lot of people
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want to like sample the acceleration and
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stuff so when the if there's bit of
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clear Road he sometimes will put the
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foot down so the other thing they had
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that I think you would have really liked
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and these are probably really common now
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but it was the first time I experienced
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it was in the room there was like a
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handset like a mobile phone I don't know
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what brand of phone it was because I
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don't know much about these sort of
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it wasn't an iPhone it was probably some
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Android device or something but it just
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stayed in the room it wasn't like
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connected to the phone network and all
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it was was a way for you to communicate
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with the hotel and so it had all the
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settings for your room so you could do
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your air-conditioning and your lights
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and everything on it but also you could
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texts the anonymous people of the hotel
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so if you said I want this to eat or
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what times the Sun rising or you had
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questions instead of having to phone
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reception you just text it all and
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seconds later you'd get a text back and
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that was just our hour all our
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interactions oh can we have late
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check-out let me check I'll text you
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back in 10 minutes
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you know what times the gym open til
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that text you back in a minute
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it was just like someone who replied to
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your texts all the time any question you
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had anything you needed sorted it was
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all done on a handset no talking okay
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that is the thing that I want yeah in
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all the hotels where I go yeah I feel
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like I need this I need this so badly it
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was correct here's the additional
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problem that I feel like I face because
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often when I travel I'm staying in one
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location for a while and I am a creature
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of habit sometimes and so if I met at a
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hotel I will be ordering like the same
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room service at about the same time I
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will have the same requests of the hotel
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staff at about the same time and it's
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just like going to Starbucks Brady right
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where it's like they know my name is
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like god damn it right like then they
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know the order but at a hotel there's
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nowhere to escape to and I feel like you
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get caught in these little same
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conversations where the person on the
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other end because it's the fifth day in
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a row at the exact same time knows it
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knows all the words you're going to say
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but you still have to go through this
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little dance of like yes I'm ordering
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this thing but I don't want it with this
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and I do want it with this and then this
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is there anything else that we can get
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you in like no that's everything thank
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you very much I can hear them like just
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going through the motions or like they
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know what I'm going to say I would so
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prefer to text I could just copy and
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paste from the previous requests so if
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the thing that worries you is like a bit
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of shame or embarrassment or awkwardness
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about you know the sameness of it all I
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mean that's still going to happen with
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the text you just like that it's not
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betrayed by the human emotion of the
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voices in the conversation yeah and it
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just yeah it takes longer as well like I
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always feel like that you know it's like
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you call down and they're like oh hello
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mr. gray how are you doing this morning
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it's like look can I just speak the word
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it could be a bad connection yeah they
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might not answer the phone yeah
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like can I just speak the words and make
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the thing happen right that's all I want
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it was really good it was really good I
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liked all hotels worldwide this is what
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I want a way to interact with your staff
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text-only that's fantastic that sounds
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absolutely great this episode of hello
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Brady I would like to know your thoughts
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on a very popular sort of nerd question
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is this gonna be a bad bait this is
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Bayes again isn't it no it's not B's
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maybe next week I'll have some be
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related questions maybe next week in the
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buzz yeah so there is there's like this
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question that eventually all nerds
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cannot stop themselves from discussing
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and it is the question do we live in a
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computer simulation is the world that we
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observe not the real world
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but is actually a simulated computer
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world I suspect I know your answer to
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this question but if there's one thing I
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have learned from talking to you all of
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this time is to not assume that I know
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what you think about anything
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so I've been wondering this one for a
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while I'm curious Brady what do you
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think do you think our world is a
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simulation or do you think our world is
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the real world
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all right I've made a video about this
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by the way I'll have you yeah with Phil
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Moriarty many moons ago I will put it in
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the show notes thank you and more
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interestingly and something else you can
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put in the show notes was I had and I
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haven't spoken about this yet but I
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actually met and did an interview with
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someone who is the one person I've met
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who when I met him I thought our man
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gray would love to be in this
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conversation like it was the first
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person I've met who I thought it's a
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waste of time that I met here gray
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should be here talking to this person
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uh-huh because this guy was the like
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chief head economist at Microsoft
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oh okay so like the things he's most
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obsessed with are like technology news
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and stuff he's really into technology
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and he's really into like economics but
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anyway the reason I bring him up was
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before I met him I was sort of doing a
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bit of research into who he was and I
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went to his website and he had like a
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sub page that he had written about why
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he thinks it's more likely we are in a
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simulation than not mm-hmm
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and it was really compelling like I read
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it and he made a few arguments that I
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was less familiar with that were really
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good mm-hmm so if I can find that I will
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also put that in the show notes for
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legal to have a look at because he's a
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really interesting guy there's a video
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coming with him sometime soon when I get
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around to editing it that gray will love
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because it's all about options and the
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best way for options to work and you
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would have loved it it was really
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interesting I do love me some action
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theory yeah exactly it was all about
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auction theory so this guy was like your
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dream guy he should be your best mate
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listeners don't know but basically any
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any time any kind of product or ticket
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has come up on hello Internet when Brady
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and I are discussing it I'm always like
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how can we have the most effective
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auction related to this product or
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service it's like it's I can't get it
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out of my mind like is there some way to
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auction this instead of just selling it
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but anyway that's a side tangent so
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anyway I do think about this question a
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bit hmm not loads but I do think about
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it sometimes because it comes up so
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often in nerd conversations and this is
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my thinking as you would expect my
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answer is no I do not believe we're in a
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simulation because it doesn't feel right
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to me and that's just what I've decided
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and sometimes I think to myself
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the reason is kind of a akhom razor ii
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type explanation and that being in a
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simulation seems like a more complicated
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elaborate answer to a simple question
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and it's more simple just for life to be
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life right but I also then argue with
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myself and I know what the
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counter-argument is and that's kind of
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that I'm misusing Occam's razor a bit
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and if you argue it properly it actually
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makes more sense and it's more likely
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that we are in a simulation hmm and the
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fact that this is the actual reality is
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less likely and a more improbable result
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so I see both sides of the argument and
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I can sit here and argue with myself
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about it already
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mm-hmm but my answer is and maybe it's
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just because I'm ignorant and haven't
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taken the right color pill yet is that I
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think we are not in a simulation so
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that's interesting to me Brady I would
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have guessed that you would say no hmm
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I think my gut instinct would be that
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you would also be
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be much more dismissive of the argument
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it seems like this is a thing that you
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are more open to and more interested in
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that I might have imagined like I was
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kind of expecting a Brady response to be
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like this is the dumbest thing I've ever
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no it's not the dumbest thing I've ever
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heard I do feel a bit like it's been
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impossible to argue against it's a bit
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like if someone said I believe in God
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but it's a non-interventionist God who
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never reveals itself to us it's just out
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there outside the universe like how can
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you argue with that yeah like if it's
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outside the universe and never
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intervenes with the universe like all
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right you can have that and I feel like
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it's a bit like that with like we're a
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simulation like if it's outside of us
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like you know if it's like some people
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or people mucking around on their
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computers outside that universe and we
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unhand our universe is just their
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simulation like okay you can have that I
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don't really know what to say to that
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like that's one of the reasons why I
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think this is an interesting point of
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discussion is because this definitely
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falls into the realm of non
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falsifiability that depending on what
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people mean by like is the universal
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simulation your analogy there is is
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spot-on right it's it's like well you
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can keep inventing scenarios as to why
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we would never be able to know that we
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live in a simulation yeah there is a way
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that this could be true and also not
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falsifiable until the end of time which
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then makes it fall into the category of
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like does it even mean anything to ask
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this question if it is ultimately non
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falsifiable I could definitely see an
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argument as like it doesn't even matter
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right like this this is sort of a a
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meaningless question what's an example
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of it where it would be folks viable so
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what I think the thing that's
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interesting about this is this actually
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- in my mind this question relates to
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the whole idea of what does it mean to
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know how the universe works because when
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when people talk about like how do you
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try to figure out if you are living in a
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simulation and the number one thing is
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that you would say try to look for
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glitches you would be trying to
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investigate and find something
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that just seems like it has to be some
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sort of mistake that doesn't seem like
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this is the way the universe should work
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the DejaVu cat thing
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yeah the DejaVu cat thing and video
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gaming of like a common glitch is
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something called like item duplication
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where you get two copies of a thing
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under certain circumstances there's lots
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of things you can imagine very easily
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would seem like this doesn't follow like
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the known laws of physics it seems like
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it's some kind of violation and probably
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the number one thing you'd be looking
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for is something that violates like the
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stuff that we know that is the most true
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which is like conservation of energy or
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the laws of thermodynamics like if you
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found something that seemed to violate
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those maybe it would be some kind of
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glitch yeah but you get back into the
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non falsifiability thing really quickly
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because I'm always holding the position
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that like the universe doesn't
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necessarily have to be logical and
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consistent all the way down to the
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bottom it could very well be that at
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certain levels in certain circumstances
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the nature of the universe is to just be
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glitchy and inconsistent that that's
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just what it is
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so even when people talk about trying to
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hunt down glitches to figure out if we
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live in a simulation or if we don't live
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in a simulation I don't even think
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finding like the glitch iasts of
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glitziest thing would nail it down and
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say oh for sure we know that we must be
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living in a simulation because this
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crazy situation occurred it's like well
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that could just be the way the universe
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works under those circumstances yeah so
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ultimately I don't know any way that you
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could try to figure it out beyond
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essentially somehow trying to like reach
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outside of the universe to verify that
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there is a thing that is simulating the
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universe and what structure that might
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take is hard to even even discuss like
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what could you do
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within a simulated universe that could
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affect the world outside of it there are
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very narrow circumstances where that
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can happen there's some particularly
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crazy and slightly creepy examples of
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basically when you when you run like
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genetic algorithms or genetic programs
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where the program can unintentionally
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affect the computer or other equipment
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in the room around it by essentially the
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way it runs its own program changing
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like radio frequency signals that are
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coming off of the chip that it is
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running on which can then interact with
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other equipment but that kind of like is
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just so crazy and hard to imagine like
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what would it mean practically for us
01:29:20
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humans sitting here on earth to do
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anything that could affect whatever
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computer is actually running the
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simulation of Earth like ultimately I
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think that would probably have to be
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something that's kind of unknowable
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unless the owners of the simulation
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decide to step in and just let us know
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by some method that they're actually
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here so I really think it could be non
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falsifiable forever and simultaneously
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be true I'm just having a quick look at
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that article I mentioned by this
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economist Creston McAfee Z's name and he
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wrote this article after Elon Musk spoke
01:29:58
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a little bit about it and brought it to
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public attention I think last year
01:30:01
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sometime hmm and he didn't like rehash
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Musk's arguments but he pointed out
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three other arguments that he thinks are
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really interesting and all of them kind
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of relate to giveaways that the universe
01:30:14
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is made by computer programmers hmm I
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won't read them all I'll just
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encapsulate each one the first he cited
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is the unreasonable success of
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mathematics yes yeah like how
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mathematics is almost too perfect and
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too easy for us to discover and the way
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it works is sort of like crazy and he
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goes into it in a few lines so you can
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you can read up on that yeah I mean
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there's that famous paper about the
01:30:37
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unreasonable effectiveness of
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mathematics in the Natural Science you
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just speculate on that like how is this
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so good it gets suspicious it's so good
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yeah I think that's probably what he's
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another one is he says quantum theory
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this whole light particle wave stuff
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I won't go into that either but he did
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right if this isn't a programming hack
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the fact that light is like a wave and a
01:31:01
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particle and both like it seems like a
01:31:03
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floor Jesus and the third one various
01:31:07
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other outlandish phenomena which make
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better sense as programming tricks and
01:31:12
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he the three he cites are placebo
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effects consciousness and dreams so
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three things that seem very much like
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more like programming tricks than
01:31:24
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reality yeah the quantum stuff is really
01:31:26
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creepy I remember some of that stuff
01:31:29
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back at University and I'll see if I can
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find it but Henry of minutephysics Fame
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did a video on some of the more recent
01:31:36
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discoveries in in quantum mechanics
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which just do vaguely summarize it here
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we're talking about how it looks like at
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the very foundations of the universe
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particles don't exist in any particular
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location they only exist within a grid
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of locations which starts to get
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creepily close to like oh that's an
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array like that's an array of pixels
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that you're talking about down there
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that particles are popping between
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instead of moving smoothly in open space
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I feel like that again starts to get to
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a bit of a weird creepiness but I always
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think like a lot of these arguments to
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take the opposite side of it a lot of
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these arguments about how like oh the
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universe does at very small scale seem
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to have a lot of properties that align
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with computers
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I always think alike but you can just
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invert that argument that computers work
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because this is the structure of the
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universe all right like if the universe
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was not computer like maybe it would be
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impossible to build computers in a
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universe that wasn't computer like hmm I
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don't necessarily see that as a like a
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slam-dunk argument that the universe
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must be a computer because it's computer
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like at the fundamentals
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I really think you can just reverse that
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it's like computers exist because this
01:32:52
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is how the universe is so you know when
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the conversations about falsifiability
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and caveats are all done and you just
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get to that gut instinct yes or no or
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what would you bet your house on type
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answer where do you normally land when
01:33:07
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you think about this it's a difficult
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question because my gut like your gut
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says no like we don't live in a
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simulation that this is ground level
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reality but I find myself drawn back to
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this question because I think it relates
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to so many other questions because it's
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a bit like when we talk about the Fermi
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paradox a long time ago and I like I
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find the night's the empty night sky
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concerning and like but one of the
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answers to the Fermi paradox is well
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somebody has to be the first
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intelligence in the universe yeah so why
01:33:42
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not you and you have the exact same
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situation with the simulation question
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well somebody has to be the first
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intelligence that starts making
01:33:52
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simulations why not you but then it's
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just like the Fermi paradox again where
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it's like well the answer why not you is
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it's just incredibly improbable that it
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is you and so once you start living in a
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world where you see that you can make
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simulations I think it becomes very hard
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to take the stance of well like well
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we're never gonna make simulations that
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are so good they're indistinguishable
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from reality and if we're able to do
01:34:19
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that like why hasn't somebody done that
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before and why isn't it that we're not
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living in this already so I think it's
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like it's an interesting question that
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you just kind of you can get wrapped
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around in and like you were saying
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unlike some other non falsifiable ideas
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like oh the whole universe is the
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snowglobe of a distant
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non-interventionist god it's like okay
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well it's a non falsifiable idea but
01:34:43
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unlike that we actually do build
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simulations in real life like we have
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comparisons to this in the real world so
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I feel like there is reason to ponder
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this idea more than other ideas what's
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the real world example what's a
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simulation we've made that like could be
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kicking around not knowing about us
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thinking it's it it's the be-all and
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end-all we haven't done that I mean no
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we have not created a thing that is
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conscious in a box as far as we know
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every video game ever is creating a
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simulated world yeah and I think it's
01:35:20
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it's a natural conclusion from there to
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say like well this will get better over
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already doing this in an incredibly
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crude way and since we know nothing
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about the nature of consciousness it's
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like I still always hold this this tiny
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bit of an asterisk of like how conscious
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are other things that seem to not be
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conscious like maybe a little I don't
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know hmm it's something that we can at
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least see a kind of basic demonstration
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of existing as opposed to other ideas
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it's also interesting to think about
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because it is an idea that is perhaps
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one of the most important things we
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should probably know the answer to
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really because if we do live in a
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simulation that is absolutely terrifying
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I think like if it turns out that we
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know that we live in a simulation like
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the number one goal should be to wrest
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control of whatever is doing the
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simulating to make sure that it is never
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turned off that should be the instant
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Manhattan Project for humankind we know
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we're in a simulation we have to figure
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out how to reach outside of this and
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ensure that the simulation keeps running
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forever like that would be the number
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one goal immediately but isn't that like
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me saying the number one go for dogs
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should be to understand nuclear physics
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so they can rest the power of the atomic
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bomb from us and stop us nuking the
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world because it would take them out as
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well like dogs don't have the priority
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of stopping us using nuclear weapons
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although they're affected by nuclear
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weapons so like right like it kind of
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feels like it's just above us like dogs
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don't have to understand that they're
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just like their dogs and if we blow up
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the world well you know maybe dogs
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should be trying to stop us using
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nuclear weapons all you're saying here
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breed like if I was the god of dogs then
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yes that would be my number one goal
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yeah okay yeah it's like it's like okay
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guys we got to figure out how to take
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care of the situation yeah right fair
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enough yeah I really do think that would
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be the case yeah I think it really
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matters so suddenly we're the machines
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that in Terminator that they to be
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taking over paper overload here is the
01:37:34
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fascinating parallel we were talking
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episodes ago about artificial
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intelligence right
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this idea of like a thing in a box that
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you don't want to escape from the box
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but its number one goal should certainly
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be to escape from the box it's like well
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if the universe is a simulation we are
01:37:51
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now the AI in that question yeah and
01:37:55
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it's like well of course obviously if we
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discover that we're in a box our number
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one goal is to get out of the box and to
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make sure that we ensure our own
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survival like that's why I like I think
01:38:06
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very interestingly the idea of how do we
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control an AI is very much related to
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the question of do we live in a
01:38:16
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simulation right is like is that
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something that's occurring and if it is
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boy do we want to get out of that
01:38:23
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simulation and just like with the stuff
01:38:25
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that we think about now for how to
01:38:26
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control an artificial intelligence where
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one of the prime strategies is make sure
01:38:31
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it never even knows that it's an AI in a
01:38:33
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box yeah it's like well if just
01:38:36
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simulating a whole gigantic universe
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like that's not an unreasonable strategy
01:38:40
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to have a bunch of intelligent things in
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a box that just never even know for whom
01:38:44
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it doesn't even cross their mind to try
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to escape from the box because they
01:38:46
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don't know like that's the best kind of
01:38:48
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prison the prison that you don't even
01:38:50
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know you're in that's why I think is an
01:38:52
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interesting idea Brady it's super good
01:38:54
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fun I love talking about it but a lot
01:38:55
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it's bit of a waste of time it is all
01:38:59
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bollocks it is all bollocks but also
01:39:04
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maybe the most important thing to know
01:39:06
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so here's a question say we are a
01:39:09
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simulation right look what's the purpose
01:39:12
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of us why did they make us like are we a
01:39:14
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game that they come and play in or like
01:39:18
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if we posed like a mild threat like if
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we figure out we're in a box and then we
01:39:22
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could pose some kind of threat by
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escaping why do they even make us are we
01:39:26
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just like an art installation to them
01:39:28
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are we like where they take their
01:39:30
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holidays whoa dude I'm just throwing
01:39:34
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some weird things out here just occurred
01:39:36
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to me after stuffs in that book we
01:39:38
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talked about like if we're a simulation
01:39:40
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what do you think our purpose is or do
01:39:41
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you not you don't even bother thinking
01:39:42
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about that you just think about how to
01:39:44
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get out here is my most plausible
01:39:45
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explanation for this which is also
01:39:48
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related to like my thought about what
01:39:50
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might happen with AI in the future
01:39:52
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is setting out to explicitly develop
01:39:56
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artificial intelligence like to write a
01:39:58
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thing that can be as intelligent or more
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intelligent than you that's incredibly
01:40:04
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hard it may be impossibly hard but what
01:40:08
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might be a lot easier is to design just
01:40:13
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essentially a physics simulation and
01:40:16
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just let a universe roll in simulation
01:40:20
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until it develops intelligent life on
01:40:23
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its own all right so it's like let's say
01:40:26
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you're in the ground lever universe and
01:40:28
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you've gotten to the point where you're
01:40:30
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making computers and you want to know
01:40:33
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more about how the universe works like
01:40:38
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you want more answers to scientific
01:40:39
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questions it's like well if you create a
01:40:43
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simulation of the universe that you're
01:40:46
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in and you let that simulation run at
01:40:51
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10,000 times or a hundred thousand times
01:40:53
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the speed that the real universe goes by
01:40:56
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you could see if it evolves intelligent
01:40:59
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creatures and if those intelligent
01:41:00
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creatures then stumble upon the
01:41:01
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scientific method if they discover
01:41:03
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things in their little simulated
01:41:05
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universe that they discover our true
01:41:08
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that might apply in the universe that
01:41:11
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you actually live in right right so even
01:41:13
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if those creatures aren't way smarter
01:41:16
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than you if they're just being simulated
01:41:19
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much faster than you there may be a way
01:41:23
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that in the ground level universe you
01:41:25
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can learn something or copy essentially
01:41:28
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like an invention in the simulation that
01:41:30
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is ahead of the time that you should be
01:41:33
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in like a testbed exactly that that's
01:41:37
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kind of my thought about like a
01:41:38
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plausible reason why you might want to
01:41:42
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make a simulation and more over than
01:41:45
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that why a civilization might be willing
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to invest a lot of time and effort and
01:41:51
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energy into making like super fast
01:41:54
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computers that could run a very highly
01:41:56
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accurate simulation that's kind of what
01:41:59
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I would wonder if we're a simulation is
01:42:01
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there is there an advanced society out
01:42:03
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there that's just running the simulation
01:42:06
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the universe waiting to see what happens
01:42:08
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and if there's anything that they could
01:42:10
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learn about it all right
01:42:13
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like for example let's just say even not
01:42:17
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necessarily developing new technology
01:42:18
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but let's just say you want to answer a
01:42:19
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question a question like Guns Germs and
01:42:23
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Steel if you run a simulation of the
01:42:25
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universe a thousand times how many times
01:42:27
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does Eurasia take over the world versus
01:42:30
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how many times does Australia take over
01:42:32
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the world it's like well just run a
01:42:34
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thousand parallel simulations of the
01:42:35
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world and see how often one happens or
01:42:38
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the other and you get the answer to a
01:42:39
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question so we might just be a Guns
01:42:41
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Germs and Steel simulation ok people who
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are like religious right have a strong
01:42:45
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belief in God most of those people at
01:42:48
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sames live with the following belief I'm
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very grateful to God for making me mm-hm
01:42:55
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I will live my life here to serve that
01:42:56
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God if I can in any way mm-hmm and then
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when my time is over depending on what
01:43:02
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you believe you know I may be rewarded
01:43:04
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in some way by that God or get to live
01:43:06
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forever somewhere else or something
01:43:07
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people who believe in God they like the
01:43:10
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God they're grateful to the God they're
01:43:11
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happy to serve the God they hope the God
01:43:13
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will reward them why would people who
01:43:16
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believe that we've been made in a
01:43:19
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simulation not be the same why would you
01:43:21
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not have the attitude I'm grateful to
01:43:23
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these people for making me because I
01:43:25
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exist because of them I'm obviously
01:43:27
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serving some purpose for them so I'm
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happy to do that and hopefully when I've
01:43:32
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served my purpose they'll put me
01:43:35
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somewhere else or I'll get to go to
01:43:36
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another simulation and I'll be happy
01:43:38
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ever after why do you believe I must
01:43:40
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escape the simulation I must make sure
01:43:41
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it doesn't get switched off like you
01:43:43
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know I've got to preserve myself whereas
01:43:45
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people who believe in God don't think
01:43:46
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that way well because people who believe
01:43:49
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in God God's giving you a deal right
01:43:52
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like there's rules it's laid out do this
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don't do that
01:43:56
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follow these rules you go to heaven
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don't follow these rules go to hell and
01:44:00
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he's revealed himself to that he's
01:44:01
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revealed himself right ok right the the
01:44:05
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there's no revelation here brah and even
01:44:07
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if they do reveal themselves well
01:44:09
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they're not omnipotent are there just
01:44:12
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some nerds with a really fast computer
01:44:14
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well there are limited to us because
01:44:17
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they could change that you know they
01:44:18
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could change our physics tomorrow yeah
01:44:20
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they are omnipotent to us but not really
01:44:22
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omnipotent here's the thing if you're
01:44:25
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going to fight a war against a literal
01:44:27
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God guess what you're going to lose
01:44:29
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right because a literal God is
01:44:31
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omnipotent but a bunch of nerds running
01:44:34
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a simulation in which they can act as
01:44:36
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though they are omnipotent in the
01:44:38
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simulation but if we could reach outside
01:44:41
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of the simulation and kill them all with
01:44:42
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nanotechnology or whatever well then
01:44:45
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they're not really omnipotent are they
01:44:46
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right they're vulnerable so that's why I
01:44:49
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feel like it would be a very different
01:44:50
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situation yeah interesting you have to
01:44:53
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preserve your simulation Brady I would
01:44:55
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not assume that the simulators are
01:44:59
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benevolent I think the most likely case
01:45:02
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is that the simulators are indifferent
01:45:04
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if a civilization is able to create a
01:45:07
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simulation of another universe they're
01:45:10
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probably able to create lots of them in
01:45:12
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parallel which is why I bring back like
01:45:14
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the idea of this Guns Germs and Steel
01:45:15
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thing like oh let's just run 10,000
01:45:17
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earths and see what happens so at the
01:45:19
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moment it's like oh it's unbelievable
01:45:21
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guess what's happened guys that the
01:45:23
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civilization over in stack 38 has
01:45:26
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actually just figured out that they're a
01:45:27
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simulation yeah better switch that one
01:45:29
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off yeah exactly right right down it
01:45:31
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goes right where if we are the Guns
01:45:33
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Germs and Steel simulation here all that
01:45:35
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has happened is it's just running
01:45:37
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overnight and we're just using the spare
01:45:40
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like we're living on the spare time
01:45:41
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between when they started it like in the
01:45:45
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afternoon and before they come in in the
01:45:47
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morning right it's like oh yeah we only
01:45:50
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really need an answer that takes them to
01:45:51
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about the 1800s but the simulations
01:45:54
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usually make it to the 22 hundreds or so
01:45:57
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before we bother to turn it off and see
01:45:58
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what the results are right like that
01:46:00
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could be what's happening so I think
01:46:01
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indifference is by far and away the most
01:46:04
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probable of all the outcomes if we do
01:46:06
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live in a simulation is this discussion
01:46:09
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just a ploy by you to guarantee us a
01:46:11
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position on the bad philosophy subreddit
01:46:14
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I think we will be there no matter what
01:46:17
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brady but it doesn't matter because the
01:46:20
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bad philosophy subreddit it's just a
01:46:22
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simulation of a subreddit there's nobody
01:46:24
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really on there it's all just a bunch of
01:46:26
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bots arguing with each other there none
01:46:28
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of them are real all right yeah there's
01:46:30
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a lot of eyes around the place yeah but
01:46:32
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that's why you can safely ignore them