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I finally did it would you do we're in
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the same place we're working on
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something together in the same place
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it's really uncomfortable because Mike
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is looking directly into my eyes where
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are Sam I gonna look well you do this
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when you record in person for the
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listeners I'm looking to the side of the
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room I'm not looking directly at the mic
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well I don't you didn't know this before
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we started buying we'll be locking eyes
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of you for the next two hours oh I think
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I'm not sure what I've agreed to this
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are you really good look no I don't know
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okay thank God because it's really weird
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there will be times where I'm gonna like
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right now I'm looking at you but I'm not
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gonna look at you for the whole time
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okay I appreciate that I'm looking down
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now thank you
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rat WWC again we are but last year you
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made me record in a hotel room and you
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were in your hotel room and we use Skype
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yes that's true this year
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hmm you suggested why don't we record in
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person I didn't suggest it I feel like
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he did I didn't I didn't suggest it you
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suggested it okay and here's the thing I
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agreed because I have a lot of audio
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equipment in my room right now that I
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really didn't want to go in box ah that
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makes sense okay for the button on me
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last year I was all set to go and I was
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thinking oh I think shows a better if
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you record separately mm-hmm but this
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year I just didn't really feel like
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unboxing all of these boxes so here we
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are together in the same room if you
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thought about the potential issue if you
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really enjoy this no we would have to
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record in person all the time well
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that's fine okay you can you can come
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out to me every every time we record a
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show to your office uh no I uh I can
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have a rental space the recording studio
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you get on several recordings yeah we
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can have we can have a central London
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cortex recording studio okay but I don't
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I don't think this is going to happen
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okay well we'll say you never know you
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might like it I don't know I'm feeling
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very uncomfortable right now would you
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like to turn around I am very surprised
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that we're looking at each of a face to
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face I did consider I did consider why
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are you shaking your head it would have
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been so ridiculous I Steve consider us
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facing in opposite directions in the
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same room but I thought let me try not
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to be a burden upon other people well
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all the time I would be turning around
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to look at you think what's he up to
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over there
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thinking well I just like I'd say
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something you know I turn around about
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what do you think but that wouldn't make
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any sense that wouldn't make any sense
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no so I mentioned it but we're in we're
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in San Jose the WTC so we recorded last
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year at the BW C in San Francisco yeah
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so this is Apple's developer conference
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and we just come here to hang out right
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we have like a bunch of friends who
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attend the conference and there's a lot
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of periphery events and we were doing
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some stuff a relay FM and what do you
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think is San Jose well I'm really glad
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because last year I wasn't I wasn't a
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hundred percent sure if I was going to
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go to WWDC and I ended up just sort of
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going to see the thing and now I am
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doubly glad that I went last year
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because I have a frame of reference to
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compare the last San Francisco WWDC to
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the now San Jose WWDC that everybody's
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talking about what are all the
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differences mm-hmm and I would have felt
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very left out of 40% of the
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conversations about how San Jose is
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different from San Francisco so I'm
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super glad that I went to the one last
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year just for the comparison for this
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year I mean in many ways I have no
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business being here I'm not here as a
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developer so I have a very different
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perspective on it but my feeling from
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what I've seen is it seems like San Jose
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is a total win for the conference on
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almost every single metric and then
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there's one metric that everybody agrees
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it's not a win on and that's not a
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metric I care about so for me it's it's
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ticking 10 out of 10 boxes for better
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location than San Francisco yeah the
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metric that I'm assuming you don't care
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about is that Boz don't open his light
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yeah bars closed early restaurants
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closed early and on all the
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conversations everybody's complaining
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about it and I'm sitting there secretly
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thinking yes like I get an excuse to go
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to bed yeah or like it pushes us into
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more reasonable more quiet locations
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that's true
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oh no we can't be at a loud bar until
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1:00 in the morning oh what a shame cuz
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I actually chicken plus column so I
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think it's great yeah I think I spent
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more time in the hotel bar then than I
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would usually and until I do actually
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groove you like last night there was
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some kind of rowdy party
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in the hotel boss we came back from like
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a meal and we come into the hotel and
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there were just these two groups the
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table was about eight people and on them
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and they were just shouting each other
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like just just at the top of their
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voices nothing was happening but these
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people were just shouting alone
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Oh anything to do with this so we will
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so we will just bundled into my hotel
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room and just sat around Chang and it
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was like eight of us for a while we're
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just hanging out and that was way nicer
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because that's what you know that's what
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I like and and one of the things about a
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lot of these conferences is really what
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you want to do is just hang out with the
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people and talk to your friends because
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not only we catching up there's also
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just a lot to talk about this week
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hooray and everybody's sharing things
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that they found out and pieces of
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information and like experiences so
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people just want to do that but those
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places are usually where alcohol is
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served and where bars are and the stuff
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like so it gets a bit tricky like it
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reminds me whenever we set up meetup so
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we didn't meet up here and I've done a
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few in London now I always have to spend
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extra time explaining to the bar or or
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the venue that we're in that I want the
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lights on and no music and they can't
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understand why what they think it's
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going to be a party right would want
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that and like people just can be talking
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to each other like music makes it worse
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not a party we don't we don't want music
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please them music but I agree like this
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is a vastly superior location than
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downtown San Francisco for an event like
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this basically for WWDC the majority of
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attendees in the majority of people that
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are coming to attend periphery events
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like me and you we don't leave like a
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four five block radius of the hotel on
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the convention centre and that area of
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San Francisco as we discussed last time
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it's not organized part of San Francisco
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no and I mean I don't know how did this
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this five block radius of downtown San
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Jose compares to the rest of San Jose
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but it is vastly superior to that of San
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Francisco there's again that there are
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food options there aren't as many there
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are bar options there aren't as many
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none of them are open is late but it
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works out just fine like it I know why
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people have been looking for those
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things but
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iq I'm really good with what we've had
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and there's a nice little coffee place
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near our hotel and you know it's been
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really nice and I feel like I can walk
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around the streets and not worry about
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things like I do when I'm in San
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Francisco so I mean I think that's
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everything has been a big win oh yeah
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yeah and when you go to these places it
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is a thing that I'm very where you're
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judging a city on a three block radius
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yep Raisa oh yes San Jose I know the
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whole city I know three streets right
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but it's like that that is the entire
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perspective but the reality of it is
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that is the conference world
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so those streets matter a lot and you
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know we're where we were in in San
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Francisco and where the conference was
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those those streets were an apocalypse
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yeah they were terribly there I'm sure
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there are plenty of lovely areas of San
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Francisco I've been to them but the the
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place that the conference was it made
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San Francisco seem like a dystopian
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hellscape yes it's like there's a bunch
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of lovely places in San Francisco but
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you're either gonna be staying like a 20
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minute journey away from where everybody
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is or go or like everyone's gonna have
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to pile into taxis and go out for any
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dinner like it doesn't work it's just
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where the venues are and the convention
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took the area around the convention
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centers here and there are just
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populated differently yeah and the
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tightness of the radius adds to the
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experience because it dramatically
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increases the probability of running
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into people which is which is nice which
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I also think is an additional benefit of
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San Jose is it really does feel like
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WWDC has descended on this area which
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was population wise much smaller than
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the same block radius in San Francisco
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and I have had the experience numerous
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times of walking between the various
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hotels because I'm on my way to go see a
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thing or go meet a person and while
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doing that bumping into somebody else
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and being able to say hi quickly yeah
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and that's really nice like that's such
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a nice experience that it almost makes
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it like a like a faux college campus for
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a brief period of time which is great
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like that that's that's what you want
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for this kind of experience
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oh I have I have chance random
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encounters with people that I know or
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yeah I've just met and it's very nice
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WWC is completely taken over at like san
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francisco takes the conference in its
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stride yes it's like it doesn't make a
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difference because there's always a
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conference or there's always something
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yeah I was really aware of that feeling
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in San Francisco of walking out of the
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hotel and standing on the street and
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feeling like I have been absorbed into a
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metropolis of San Francisco and the
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probability of bumping into someone was
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very low I think the number of times I
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bumped into someone on the street from
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the conference in San Francisco was
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maybe once or twice at most in the whole
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the whole time that I was there I think
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it's changing the mindset well I was all
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those people were also there you don't
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pay attention to people as they're
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walking around because Deb just Joe
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Schmo going to see Alcatraz right yes
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yes the other thing that I think helps
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with that feeling is I don't I don't
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know if I just tuned into it less in San
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Francisco but it feels like the
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developers have these really
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identifiable jackets okay so there are
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jackets every year but the jackets this
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smiley pin it seems like there's some
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almost every
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you want to be able to say oh what did
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encouraging like it does encourage
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swapping and trading hmm WWC this year
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the Convention Center
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I just felt like the saddest excluded
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person on the outside because I have no
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badge and then two to top it off I'm
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looking at who the conference center
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line and as I'm standing there looking
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on the line like my friends start waving
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might as well have opened up and rained
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down upon just me and that well no
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colors right down this that is 100% how
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from outside the conference yeah but
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it's it's it's more festively yeah that
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that is exactly it it feels like there
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is this festival throughout the whole
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thing people are engaged in all of these
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different activities all of the
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peripheral conferences are literally
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next door or just across the street
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yep so you can pop between different
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different things it's been really great
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it's really fun I think even if someone
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who's not directly participating it the
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collectible pins are a genius idea that
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other conferences should totally pick up
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on as a way to encourage communication
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and recognizability among conference
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attendees so I've been to a conference
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that did this and I actually think this
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is the conference that inspired Apple to
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do this so the last xoxo in Portland
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when you checked in they gave you three
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pin badges but there were like 12 hmm
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were couraging pin exchange and they
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were like on the slack and never like an
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xoxo slack for attendees they had like a
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whole room for like pin swapping and the
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pins are so
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reminiscent because there's these enamel
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pens and all these colors I think that
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they might have like cryptic idea from
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there but it's great it's a great one
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yeah whoever came up with say XOXO came
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up with it it's a great it's fantastic
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because it's like you'll see someone and
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be like oh hey I love your pen but I
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love that one and you swap in your chat
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it's like it's a nice thing and if you
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say like there is basically there were
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certain events certain talks or sessions
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as Apple calls them that if you went to
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them you were given a bow down so like
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them to encourage attendance like there
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was a special badge for the
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accessibility sessions
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oh gee okay that is total genius right
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it was either the session or the labs
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you in the labs you go and talk to the
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engineers so they can give you advice on
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it so if you went and participated in
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that so to help people who have
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different disabilities use your
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applications they will give you a pin
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that is that is so smart
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I've been aware talking to some okay so
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here's the thing that use the thing that
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I would just never normally do because
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everybody is so recognizable and because
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of the pins I have on occasion struck up
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conversations just very briefly in the
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elevator right which is the thing like I
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would never do but it's like it's
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begging you to do it and some of the
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pins are really interesting and so I've
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just said like oh what you know what was
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out in where'd you get it from and I've
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been aware that there's that some of
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them seem rarer than others yeah but I
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didn't realize tying it to session
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attendants is an is like another great
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reason to do that to encourage people I
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guess we want as many people to just
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come to the accessibility session so
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that they're aware of what exists that
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is a really great it's really great and
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if you think like a conference like this
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there's so much standing in lines you
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know you're lining up for everything
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having an ability to be able to turn
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around and culture someone is great
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because so many people come on their own
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or like they know people that are here
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were on inside right right like I have I
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know a bunch of people like I know who
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they are like with their friends but
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they don't know anybody inside right or
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like I spoken to a bunch of people in
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the same way right like that none of
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their co-workers got tickets just them
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so they're going in and like it seems
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like I mean it seems like it's nice in
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there I would
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no we don't get to go in but it looks
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like it enables people to talk to each
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other in the inner in a fun way and I
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think that's really good yeah I do think
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that's really good but Monday you
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mentioned the keynote so it was quite a
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day this episode of cortex is brought to
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the keynote together which you got to
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see me scream in a bunch I think with
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was something that you experienced yeah
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there was excitement all around on all
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sides it was it was
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really fun I think again to to compare
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the experience last year versus this
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year I really really like going WDC last
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year I felt like we had a very very
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great time watching the keynote last
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year at the Twitter headquarters it was
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awesome to be invited to that and it was
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super fucker that was the first time I
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had ever had the experience of watching
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a keynote not by myself I hate the other
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when the WWC I've lost like four years
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we'll watch the keynote with other
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people someone like the iPhone event
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comes around and I'm just sitting in my
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living room with Tim Cook on the TV it's
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so boring
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oh is it like the WDC stuff I always
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watch on my own but the iPhone keynote
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event my wife is always very interested
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in that and so we least watch it
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together yeah and she's very excited so
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I know I always feel like oh we watched
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the iPhone event together it's all pour
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a glass of wine like we'll sit back and
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now impress us apples show us your magic
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is so I have a very nice association
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with that one with the WWDC one for the
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past many years it's always been like oh
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I'm just a sad nerd on my own watching
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it so tell me about API yes well the API
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slide went by so quickly I'll have to
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wait for the technical yeah yeah yeah it
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was like it was it was really it was
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really interesting and a very
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interesting experience to watch it last
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year at Twitter in a room full of I
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don't know must been 50 people that was
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a love yeah there was a lot of people
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there that great food oh my god yes I
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listening I still think about your
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breakfast burritos I rely real everyone
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breakfast burrito at Twitter so good if
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I remember you are a roof strict carb
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diet at that point ever you were just
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like it's going out of the window today
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yeah that that was it was too good it
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was too good to pass on but so that
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again it's it's great this year to have
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year was a very different experience
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eight of us those eight of us eight of
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really it was really fun it was really
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fun yeah and also in those scenarios
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there was no whooping and hollering at
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like oh yeah thing is there's this was a
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much more whooping and hollering year I
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think than last year I think one of the
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event that we did mm-hmm and we recorded
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like okay whatever they talk about is
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what I'm gonna hell I'm gonna plan out
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the content and there wasn't really a
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lot you know like the plan initially was
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for me and you to talk about whatever
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happened to the iPad right nothing
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happened yeah so it was it was a kind of
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an underwhelming WWDC last year like it
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there wasn't there was some cool stuff
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think it was a good addition but that
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was like the biggest thing that was
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there headlining feature but for like
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consumers were just these changes to
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iMessage but this year is like
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everything everything everyone got their
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thing this year yeah like there is
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nothing going into the reader BC there
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didn't address in some way here's here's
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my feeling of what they managed to pull
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off at this WWDC like every everybody in
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watch to see Tim Cook came on stage and
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there's a box for you and you could
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reach under your chair and you could
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open the box and there was something
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just for you in the box for everyone in
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who didn't get something that felt like
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this is the thing you're waiting for or
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the thing that you want to hear about so
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very very aggressive keynote like I had
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some things that were on my total wish
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list mm-hmm like Apple embracing VR
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yeah I had no expectations honestly for
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that to ever happen I thought that
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they've missed the boat on it mm-hmm and
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you know and I've been talking to some
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people who know their stuff and people
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have been tweeting at me to kind of give
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me information about like some of the
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graphic stuff that they're using and
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again as you would expect it's nowhere
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near top-of-the-line mm but it for me
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it's the it's just that Apple or
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understanding that VR is something the
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Mac should be able to do yeah and
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they're starting to make machines that
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are powerful enough to cope with it
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mm-hmm that's what I want I mean I've
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the Corsair recently and I've been just
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like thinking well I gotta do but now
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little bit longer I don't think I don't
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think the iMac Pro is for me mm-hmm
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but like I'm just kind of keeping my eye
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on things that there are these external
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GPUs that they're working with and this
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may be this Mac Pro in 2018 like maybe
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some one one combination or not these
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machines could be all I need for decent
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gaming VR my Mac yeah yeah the the VR
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thing I also agree felt totally out of
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left field yes in an already very packed
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keynote and a thing that they gave a
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bunch of time to and I love that they
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did the VR demo on the regular IMAX yeah
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like I was good they weren't they
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weren't showing off like oh we have a
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pre-production I'm Mac Pro on stage and
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we're going to give you a demo VR demo
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with our $5,000 machine is I know our
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next generation of regular IMAX can do
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VR and I found that totally surprising
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watching it happen for like a feeling of
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just relief like just like we have had
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the conversation about VR and you have
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always very much been pushing this
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feeling of like I think they're missing
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the boat on this
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that that they're not placing a bet on
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the table and I too didn't expect they'd
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even address it but twos to see it done
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in such a way to given time and I also
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thought very interestingly done in a
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done in a way that's a demo about
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working in VR as opposed to yeah gaming
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in VR they aren't talking about making
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stuff hmm as opposed to playing games
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but the fact that they have support for
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the two two largest game engines and
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steam is that with their games apart of
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this yeah but like Apple is they're
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focusing more on the creation of 3d
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content right now because there are no
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games that can run right so I think
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that's why they're like oh make your
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games is kind of what they're saying
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yeah because that's the message because
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you can't take a current game and just
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start playing it so that I think they're
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pitching it right but I I think people
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are getting a little bit too hung up on
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the verbage to apples using VR is gaming
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they're crazy and they are doing that
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it's a clear zone they put a steam slide
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up like it's gaming yeah but there's
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just no games even if in many ways was a
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demo out of necessity I still think it
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was a very Apple II demo to focus on
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creation that oh that always feels like
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one of the the bullet points that they
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want to hit with other products and
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their services is look at how we can
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enable you to create things and so if in
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in a year or two they may be able to
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demo an amazing VR game on the Mac but I
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can imagine them continuing that theme
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of liking to show off what you can make
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in VR yeah as opposed to just doing a
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graphics demo they really don't em in
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there as a company they have games as
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games on their platforms they are not a
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games company like this is the thing
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about Apple I think it's really funny
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when they say on stage something like oh
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we're the biggest gaming company in the
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world because of the iPhone and the FS
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like like yeah by default
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yeah it's exactly by default you are but
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you're not really no you just you let
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these games exist on your platform but
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you're not building controllers or all
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click you're not a gaming company in in
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the way Nintendo is a gaming company
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I mean this is like even like apples
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back-end systems are just not built for
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the way that game development work like
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that it's just not budget because they
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have the largest software distribution
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platform in the world right so people
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just keep putting games out on the
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system anyway right right because this
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is like a billion devices
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yeah something crazy right so it's like
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it you know it's similar to Android but
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there are many differences yes right and
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and I think that it's like they talk
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about games and they have games but then
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gaming company yeah no they're not
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they're not in their sole gaming come on
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it's like oh I guess we just sell games
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now too
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that's kind of how they kind of stumbled
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into it but I'm really happy like more
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powerful Max is a good thing right and
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the ability to do vr gaming is a good
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thing yeah it's a really good thing but
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of course the biggest the biggest stuff
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for me and you was iPad right that's
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what we were looking for I mean it was
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the make or break yeah yeah for the iPad
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because you know we've all Iowa's time
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we got all the stuff that meant that
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mean you could be working on our iPad
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all day because of iOS 9 nothing
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happened in 10 hmm and it was like wow
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okay show us what you got and they did
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they show us what they have and they're
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I think maybe to like hugely fundamental
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changes to iOS which is an exposed
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filesystem a management of that mm-hm
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and the way that they have adapted
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multitasking they're basically burnt
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multitasking down a rebuilt it and it
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all focuses around a dock now oh and
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drag and drop as well being the addition
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to multitasking right yeah my head I
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kind of roll that up with multitasking
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yeah even though it's an incredibly
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different thing yeah it the two of them
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on stage look like they go so well
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together that it's it's I find like my
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brain is not mentally separating them
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out as two distinct things even though
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obviously they are exactly and the way
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I've been hearing people talk about
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these advancements and I agree of it
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completely is that there's a lot of
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people saying oh they they told the iPad
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to be a Mac they thought that I've had
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to be at a real computer but I think the
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why Paul is actually done
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is taken these fundamental tenants of
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what it means to be a personal computer
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boil them down to what they are at their
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core and then built them for iOS so the
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ability to drag and drop them easily
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move around files and content in which
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apps are aware of each other the ability
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to be able to have multiple things on
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screen at one time and the ability to be
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able to access your files wherever you
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want them because all of these things
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especially drag and drop they make more
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sense to me here than they do on my Mac
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well the iPad always has the advantage
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that you are directly manipulating the
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thing with either your hand or with the
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pencil and I think from a from a UI
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designer perspective that is quite a
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challenge to think of how do you want to
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make something that works like that but
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it also has the big advantage that once
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you see someone do it and once you
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yourself do it one or two times it's
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like your brain can lean on it's it's
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like muscle memory of the real world and
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so with the drag-and-drop so like oh yes
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of course I touch this thing and I know
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that in it in this digital universe when
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I touch something else like it will fly
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to my other finger and then I can move
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it around and you only have to do that a
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couple of times before your brain gets
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the metaphor yep there there isn't there
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isn't that level of indirection of oh
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have a hard time with that and it's it's
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why many people struggle with file
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management on a Mac and it's why a lots
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of people do like an iPad because they
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don't have to use that stuff but for the
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iPad users it's very great to be able to
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do the drag-and-drop stuff and also have
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that feeling of oh I just it's so easy
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because I'm just tap tap tap I can see
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what's happening and it just it slots
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into your brain in a in an easy way and
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just the things that I'm learning about
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the drag-and-drop in the way that it
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works just so very clever
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you know that is it's enabling and
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keeping all that security in place but
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it's apparently it's it's work for
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developers but not as much as it may
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seem to be initially and it's there's
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been some demos are some really
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interesting stuff about the way that
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other applications can extract relevant
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data so for example there's a demo that
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Apple has been doing as part of their
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presentations where they have the Photos
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app and the Maps app side by side and
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you take a photo and drop it onto the
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maps app and it takes you to the
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location the photo was taken ice so
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there is all of this stuff where like
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you as an app developer can say what
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types of data you're looking for and
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also what your files contain and when
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you drag one over the other that
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application is looking for the relevant
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information that it can extract from any
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file mm-hmm and then duals of it it was
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very very clever stuff and it really
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does feel like just a massive win mm-hmm
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like all of the really big things that
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we needed on the iPad have been
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addressed yeah I would agree with that
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because another reason why I like being
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physically here at WWDC is related to
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this because when you're sitting in a
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keynote and particularly this keynote
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which has the magic box for everybody
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they're running through everything
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onstage and I swear I've never seen them
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go through more stuff faster you know
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those words slides that they have at the
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end we're hilarious sometimes rather for
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they they run through the main things
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and they say oh we've done a bunch of
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other stuff for iOS and they put a word
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cloud up on the screen and they move on
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sometimes those word clouds are up for
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for like two seconds like we gotta keep
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moving on and they run for two seconds
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with many many words and we were all on
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Twitter it's gonna did anybody catch
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them with what was on there I need to
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know what was I couldn't even see it for
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two seconds um there was so much stuff
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things like drag and drop on screen and
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demoing the new versions of app
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switching and all of this stuff
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I'm sitting here watching it I think I
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can see what they're doing and this
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looks amazing
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but there is always that part which is
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but I don't really get it until I can
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play around with it because you you know
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they're showing you things under certain
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circumstances and like they've set up
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demos to do particular things and you
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don't have an ability to understand how
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does this really work in what are the
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edge cases and so being a WWDC is
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fantastic because as soon as that
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keynote is over someone is going to be
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crazy enough to load the beta of the
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developer build right on their iPad
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immediately and this year it was David
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sparks who runs two podcasts if I'm
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right on this network he does which you
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should go listen to especially if you're
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listening to cortex you should in
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particular listen to free agents that he
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does with Jason's now if you like this
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show you will almost certainly like that
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check I think I think so there's gonna
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be a lot of overlap of a Venn diagram uh
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but yeah so David sparks had that the
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build on his iPad super fast basically
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immediately yes yeah he must have been
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one of the very first people in the
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whole of the conference to get it loaded
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and being here at WWDC then means it
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went very shortly after the keynote has
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happened ah he was nice enough to let me
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play around with his iPad uh mess up
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lots of things and and rearranging
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leaves rearranging all of his icons
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dragging and dropping emails and a room
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ever how does this work bird is this
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code what happens if I do it like oh god
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I would never let someone touch mode
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even though he was incredibly generous
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oh thanks again David but we got to play
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around with it and and that's the moment
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where as a person trying to understand
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what does this mean for how my workflows
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are going to happen what does this mean
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for the future of the way I do work on a
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device that's deeply important to me
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that's where the understanding comes in
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and in the first 20 minutes of playing
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with it I think we both have the same
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experience of okay now that we have our
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hands on it you start out with a bunch
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of concerns because what
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realizing is out of the way I do
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everything is broken and the way I'm
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used to managing a bunch of windows is
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not going to work and so you start out
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by thinking oh god I like I don't know
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how this is going I'm not sure if this
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is a good thing but I was very happy
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that over the course of those 20 minutes
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playing around I felt like okay I
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understand we're not now focused on
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individual apps were focused on the
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equivalent of spaces on the Mac and
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switching between these and playing was
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slide over and very quickly I could see
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how is this going to change the way I
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work and from from that's like hey
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something seemed a little clunky but
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it's partly me just getting used to it
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and I was overall very very happy at the
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end of it feeling like this is this is
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great like this new dock is incredibly
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strange I don't know what's going to
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happen there there's a bunch of stuff to
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figure out but I was I was really really
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happy to have an opportunity to play
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around with it and get a bit of muscle
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memory feel for how this is going to
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work and the Apple watch originally came
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out it was weird mm-hmm so my software
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perspective there were just a lot of
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things about really weird yeah and then
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watch OS 2 improved a little bit and
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then watch OS 3 felt like they had
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redesigned watch OS based on the fact
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that I'd actually used the watch right
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and I feel like that this version of iOS
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on the iPad has been made by people who
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have been using iOS on the iPad
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seriously over the last two years that
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that is a great comparison that's a
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great comparison because we have to
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start again in some ways but I feel like
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the scale is way better like it will
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scale better over time because you have
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more flexibility about the way that you
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arrange your workspace where if we would
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have just continued with the previous
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split view época even with just
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additional tools to manage that I think
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the idea of this pulling in and pulling
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down would have eventually gotten to be
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feel really old where now we're like you
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can solve these pairs of applications
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and they live together you can swipe up
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from the dock and bring things over it's
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basically like oh we have used the Mac
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for such a long time
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and we've never needed to really change
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the way that you open and play of
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applications and this is very similar to
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that again I think that there are
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benefits there are things are good there
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are things that are not as good but
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overall I feel like it's really focused
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on trying to make this a more scalable
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and usable interface over time yeah
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without needing to burn it back down
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again in two years and restart mm-hmm
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Tim Cook started off the whole
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presentation about the iPad as this is
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the biggest iPad release ever which I
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hated that to begin the Urich you're
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setting expectations never do the way to
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hide like someone should have told you
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to do that at the end but me but it does
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feel that way like a comic coming
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onstage
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this is going to be the funniest show
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you've ever seen you have some real
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great job Jimmy folks well now it isn't
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a rebel of above self here we go
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and but it is though I mean he was right
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yes II and there are like a million
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little things and there are a million
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little things that me and you don't even
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know about yet like even there are
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things like you can record the screen
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now natively on iOS yeah which has been
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just like an eternal frustration for so
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long but you can do it now there are
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like that szimpla bility to record the
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screen I can think of so many times over
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the past few years where I have wanted
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to do something animation wise on the
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road and I thought oh if I could just I
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could just record the screen and oh yeah
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because you could just recall the screen
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and move stuff around so there are ways
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that I could have done not the greatest
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animation but I could have done fine
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mobile animation with some screen
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recording caught up but it's but the
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problem has always been like oh you need
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a second device to record yep and it's
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like okay it was a deal-breaker because
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the whole reason I want to record the
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screen as I don't have my Mac with me
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and now I might as well just use the Mac
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if it's here that's going to be really
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helpful to me so it was it was the thing
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I wanted to do for a vlog where it was
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the big travel vlog that I did recently
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mega vlog mega vlog to travel mega vlog
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and I wanted to you should trademark
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that I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best
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this is something that I wanted to do to
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show like you know you
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those old letters Maps like a plane
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moving place to place
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I know the exact thing that you're
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trying to do because I've tried to do
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this couple it's a hard to get to look
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right I couldn't do it yeah you want to
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do like the Indiana Jones effect yeah
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and I didn't even know where to start
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really with the Mack taps mhm but I
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could pull that together way easier on
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iOS yeah because now I could just recall
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the screen is physically moved a plane
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from the place to place if you can do
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screen recording on an iPad there are a
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lot of simple animations that become way
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easier if you want to do complex stuff
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you're still gonna want to go back oh
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yak but that like there's a I can see a
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lot of of things that people can do with
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the screen recording and I'm just
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thinking about animation but I feel like
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that really opens up a whole world of
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other things that people can do I mean
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even even just like doing tech support
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for other people like I just want to
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record me doing the thing and then I can
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send you the video file and you can just
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in you QuickTime it is but it's just
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like I never think of it yeah and it is
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it's such a hassle that you're never
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100% know what you think about this the
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very controversial change to the look of
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Control Center ah yeah okay where do
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where do you describe it for the
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listeners and camp they're unaware and
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devices installed so you would have like
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play and pause and some actual cuts and
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then you'd have all this big music card
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animation now brings the doc up instead
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they have moved all of these switches
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into one
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place and it's now customizable to an
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extent where Apple has exposed more
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switches available of their own system
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stuff that you can add in and you can
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bring up additional buttons like for
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example you can have an entire Apple TV
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remote control antenna so I thought that
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it's very funny looking at screen very
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strange but so they've moved it all into
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this one panel it is this big box of
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buttons and switches and faders and
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spinners and gosh knows what else in one
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screen in all different sizes so it
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looks like a kind of weird jigsaw puzzle
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of buttons I think it's beautiful I love
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it it is so my aesthetic mmm like I am a
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sticker person and it effective not oh
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my gosh they have just taken home I
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would never have thought about it that
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way I would never have thought about
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that way but as soon as you say it it
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does look like an array of stickers it's
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just like I can appreciate having as
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much functionality as possible in a
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smaller space as possible and just
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minimizing the UI that goes around it I
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think it looks brilliant I think it
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looks fun and weird and I can move stuff
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around I'm really I'm really on board of
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it is very interesting so this this is
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the thing that people seem very divided
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on and this is the same and a lot of
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people are coming down on the oh my god
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it's it's atrocious and I am with you
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that I I actually like the look of it I
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think it it is a bit messy in some ways
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and I can see why a lot of people would
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react poorly to it but as far as I'm
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concerned I think it's fantastic too
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mm-hm and if someone doesn't like the
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visual look of it I think you can still
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say that this is an appropriate place
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where Apple is making you have any of
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this this slider of like how good does
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it look versus how well does it work
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places where I am very happy if I was on
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the design team to say look we need the
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slider very far over into the how well
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does it work because the whole reason
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Control Center exists is because you
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want to just do something quickly yeah
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and you want to just flip up and press a
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button and have a thing happen and I
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think the the redesign of Control Center
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you know really really for quite a while
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now has leaned too hard on the oh we
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want it to look nice and pretty when it
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comes up and has been a little bit
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frustrating on the usability side yep I
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love that you can add or subtract the
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buttons that you're not going to use
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haven't gone all the way to customizing
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those but next year I think looking at
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you calculator button yeah I just known
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desire yeah exactly it's terrible peak
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Aleks way better yeah um but I'm so yeah
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it's I wasn't sure what you would think
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of it but as soon as you say it looks
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like stickers of course you'd love it
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where's is everything about me as I've
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been saying here that is my aesthetic
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that is it that is 100% it yeah what I
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like about this is in regards for the
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function of a form that the whole point
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of control center is to give you quick
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access to things and quick access comes
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from muscle memory yeah the problem with
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control center now is when you swipe it
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up now I know what okay the way it is
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built on the way it works is it swipes
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up to the last panel you had open yeah
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but what that means is every time I
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swipe it up there is a pause where I
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have to realize if I'm in the right
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place yeah you have to visually look at
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the screen and your brain has to process
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which action is going that and already
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now that muscle memory is over because
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it's fine if I press play on a song and
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then I need to skip a song in two
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minutes right I know it's there and I
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swipe it up and I hit the button
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but tomorrow hmm when I need to change
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the color of my light it's not where I
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need it to be yeah and so that's why I
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am a big fan of this is you are putting
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as much functionality as you can into
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one screen which means I am gonna know
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after a couple of weeks where all of
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those buttons live yeah and I think that
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that's that's again so like this is
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another feature I think where they're
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like we've used this for a year and we
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have realized it sucks and we have to
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start again yeah the the the three panel
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swipe left swipe right it stays where
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you last left it control center was
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crazy making especially on a twelve
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point nine inch iPad is like it's like
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they could affect it all on they could
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they could have fit it all is it's it's
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it's like it's there intentionally to
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drive you crazy on the gigantic iPad
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that was the most egregious yeah like it
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works great an iPad no it doesn't that
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doesn't doesn't work great no bad at all
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it's enraging ah I've little things like
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that is what makes me realize that we
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got this version of iOS later than
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intended mmm cuz that's such a weird
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thing to do but they're just like well
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this is how I OS is because we haven't
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got anything else for the iPad yet so
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we're just moving these features onto
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all these devices right yeah this wasn't
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the only iPad news that we got though it
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wasn't just software we also got
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hardware mm-hmm go our hardware mm-hmm
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they refresh the entire line yeah I I am
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I am very happy about this because you
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know I had a deep fear going into this
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keynote so I was very confident yeah
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iPad hardware but I had a really deep
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fear that what we were going to get is
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the new 10.5 inch iPad which we did get
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quiet on the western front with the
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twelve point nine inch iPad do you
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remember what I said to you at dinner
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and that before gray
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what did you say it's we were sitting
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around at dinner and you imarco saying
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that useful it was dead dead dead
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forever and I said if they update one I
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believe they'll update both and I was
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really strong on this and you too like
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no no Tim Cook's a crazy man
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I wasn't sure I was gonna be dead
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forever but I I was just I was just
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concerned that it that something about
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it just felt in the it might stick
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around in the same form factor for a
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very long time without any internal
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updates or and
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thing I was just something about
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something was just really nagging my
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mind about that uh but that did not
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happen did not and I was super psyched
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about that I was so that was why that
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was the most excited part for me in the
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keynote was new twelve point nine inch
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iPad so happy so happy yeah the the ten
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point five is amazing mm-hmm and I'm
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gonna be buying one as soon as I get
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home mmm it isn't exactly what I wanted
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rumors like it's it seems like this
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expecting it's exactly how I expected it
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to me it is not what I thought it was
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going to be from a software perspective
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so we had a nine point seven inch iPad
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pro and a twelve point nine inch iPad
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pro right a ten point five inch iPad pro
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but it is doing literally nothing for
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the software to make it any different so
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why I was hoping was going to happen was
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that the ten point five inch iPad pro
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would give me the exact same software
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experience as the twelve point nine but
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shrunk down so I would get two full
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sized iPad applications side-by-side
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mm-hmm but it isn't like that it's like
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with the nine point seven where you get
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this kind of like halfway between iPhone
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split right down the middle so if you
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have like two thirds of the screen was
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one app and one third of screen is
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another you get one full iPad app and
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then iPhone it if you bring them to the
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middle on the nine point seven and on
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the ten point five you get this kind of
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like in between okay it's a different
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view controller on that one okay right
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and that's how he's been within ninety
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seven but on the big one on the big iPad
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pro twelve a nine sharp every K two
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full-sized portray iPad application
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side-by-side okay and I was hoping that
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the ten point five would be like the
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twelve point nine and then you would get
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like if you put two apps side by side is
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to portrait apps side by side but that's
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not what you get right the operating
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system would tell them you are a full
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screen app act like it but it does like
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they don't they still say it's small
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if you have a different view controller
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it's using the more mobile game
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controller that's interesting I've never
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even really tuned into that on the
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smaller iPad pro but I can I can see now
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immediately why that that is a a big
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considering factor in in which you're
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going to use because what I was hoping
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was whilst I'm thoroughly enjoy the
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multi pad lifestyle that if I got this
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iPad it might potentially mean I only
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need one mm-hmm because I will be
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getting what I hope to be best above
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what's and that's not the case
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yeah so it's like for me I'm like I'm
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I'm not trying to look a gift horse in
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the mouth with this but I don't
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understand why they increase the screen
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other than to differentiate it from the
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regular sized device called iPad which
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is $329 and is nine point seven inch in
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size and screen has the only reason is
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that they wanted to have nine point
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seven is the cheap one then you have
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these two pro ones one is ten and a half
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inches and one is twelve point nine
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inches and again like if you're a
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company making these products you should
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differentiate them but there doesn't
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seem to be anything in that iPad that
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takes a Vantage of the additional size
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of the screen and the reason that I'm
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annoyed about this is they made the iPad
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bigger hmm so the iPad itself is bigger
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to make the screen bigger I know where
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reason it seems right but the but the
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software is still treating it like it's
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was go different mobile version yeah
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interesting but I played with one I
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spent some time with one and when you
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hold it you don't know it's bigger right
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they kept the weight the same it doesn't
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feel bigger but it looks fantastic right
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having the bigger screen I'm looking at
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my old iPad right now and I'm like look
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at all that bezel you ugly ugly little
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thing right oh he's a nice little girl
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guys right there man all covered in his
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failed me
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Wow that's high there is and there is a
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new hotness in town and this little guy
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in it no more oh so sorry but but this
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is what Apple does right and it done
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that big date they they make the device
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you were perfectly fine with yesterday
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yeah hideous today right and that's what
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they've done with this they're like is
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I'm happy to have new hardware it's got
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some amazing new features which we're
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gonna talk about in a second but just
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from a pure like what the screen size
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has brought me there isn't really
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anything to that then okay that's
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interesting that's that's very
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interesting I think I didn't I think I
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didn't understand that with the view
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controllers and like this is what you
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were looking for with it so that makes
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it that makes it a lot more sense about
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why it's amazing but you're a little bit
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lukewarm on on it because of that lack
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of that feature yeah it's like I'm
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really excited about iPad software and
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I'm really excited about the new iPad
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hardware but the combination of those
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two on the 10.5 hasn't really changed
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any threat right like independently
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they're both brilliant but together
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there's nothing special going on but the
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crowning feature of this device it's a
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new display technology to apples calling
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promotion it encompasses a bunch of
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different things one of these things is
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a 120 Hertz refresh rate and the best
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way to try and describe this so it's
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it's refreshing to scream or from which
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means they could show more fluid
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animation right but you know when you
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see Apple do this you see lots of
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companies do this when you're watching a
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movie like a promo footage or an advert
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or something and you see someone holding
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a device and they're using it but it
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looks fake right and it's because
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they're using rendered animations of
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like a green screen that is overlaying
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it and it always looks weird like the
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fingers never really kind of exactly
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where it should be and all the
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animations look too smooth that's how
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these new iPads look because the
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animations are so smooth the first time
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you see it almost looks broken it just
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doesn't look real it's fantastic yeah I
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really wish I had seen one of these
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things in person you can say it's okay
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we're here people have them it's okay
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you can say it's
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fine okay just wanted someone clear yeah
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not a great reason to come to wAPT so
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yes people have hardware and you like to
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see it and thinking things get left on
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counters who knows how right no they
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don't have uh it's interesting I am I am
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I don't know how to put this but I am
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I'm gonna be real curious to see when I
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have one for a while playing around with
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it and what it what it's really like
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because there is a certain kind of
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unreality to its it yeah and it is I
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think I am in the minority of people who
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ok so there's there's two kinds of
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people in the world people who notice
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frame rates and people who don't and I'm
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kind of fascinated by some people just
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can't see the difference between like
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when you shoot on your iPhone if you put
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it in 60 frames per second mode versus
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30 frames per second mode and I think it
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looks like an abhorrent disaster people
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shooting 60 frames yeah okay so you're
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on the same page with me on this yeah
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it's like I will not shoot in 60 frames
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per second on my phone because it's like
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yeah like I hate it I it's it's you
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showing me too much it's almost like
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it's a reality uncanny valley yeah it's
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it's so close to infinite frames per
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second that's 60 inches away from
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infinite ahh
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but it's not actually looking through a
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transparent piece of glass at a thing
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happen like a that's sort of the feeling
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of looking at 60 frames per second
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footage and I have a little bit of that
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same feeling looking at the 120 frames
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per second animations and scrolling on
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the new iPad I think I'll get used to it
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but it is weird but what I but the thing
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that is a concern for me is it feels
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like a little bit of a retina transition
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is that I think when I got used to
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retina screens I had a hard time working
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with non retina screen yeah and I'm
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concerned about
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I think I will get totally used to the
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120 frames per second but what I'm
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worried about is then switching back to
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screens that are at a lower frame rate
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once my brain is used to the idea that
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o'the ings on a computer they move in
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this preternaturally smooth way and then
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if it doesn't quite look the same I
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think I think this is going to be coming
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everywhere I just really hope it's in
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the new iPhone I think it will be I
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really do think it will be I mean cuz
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again I don't know enough about how the
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technology works people smarter than me
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are telling me that it's the display
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technology in the chip well I mean the
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iPhones going to get the best display
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Apple can make and the best chip they
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can make it's not like something like
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the true tone stuff worried right
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the true tone stuff worried right
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additional sensors which is why it maybe
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hasn't come to the iPhone yet it seems
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like it would be easy to do then true
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tumbles in the iPhone yeah so I expect
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you're right about that
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so I'm a I'm very interested to see once
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I actually own one of these things and
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use it for a while like how it goes how
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this transition goes but the thing that
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to me is amazing is the decreased
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latency in terms of the pen usage so the
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other thing that happened this is part
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of this whole system called promotion is
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they have increased the refresh rate of
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what the pencil is able to provide so in
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the current versions of the iPad the
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frame rate on the screens is 60 Hertz
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was able to do is is 60 Hertz and it is
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refreshing the screen at 120 Hertz to
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find pencil input so it reduces lag and
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increase the smoothness in the new
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devices they have a 120 Hertz for the
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output of the screen and a 240 Hertz
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refresh rate for the pencil yeah so they
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are continuing the smoothness by
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doubling that the smoothness has been
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doubled yes more smooth I've also heard
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that they're doing some interesting
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things with better predictive technology
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about which way your hand is going sure
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with the pencil and all these things but
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I think if you go back if you go back
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last door I'm sorry if you go back to
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years ago when we were originally
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talking about how desperate we were to
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get our hands on a pencil and see what
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does it look like and how does it work
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oh gosh yeah well like I see good now
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you're right now you're here in person I
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see you making this face and you're
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trying to do the mental math on was it 2
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years ago and the answer was yes Mike
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Wow yeah we've been we've been doing
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this for a long time I'm very episode 52
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can can throw you off yes again but but
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so what if you go back and listen to
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those old episodes we were desperate
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because we wanted to see it because
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latency and just a set essentially
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didn't trust anybody's reports of like
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oh it's great you can't tell the
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like I'm sure I will be able to tell and
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opposed to the previous style I that
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were like using hot dogs on a screen was
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just was totally unacceptable just up
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completely why even bother yeah why even
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bother just a tale of misery but so when
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I'm using like my current twelve point
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nine inch iPad I can see that there's a
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little bit of latency with the pen but
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it's fine like it is acceptable and I
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have gotten very used to it uh but when
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I got a chance just for a few minutes to
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try the pencil with what is my personal
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favorite handwriting app but I think the
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best which is good notes for I got to
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try those two together and it was ear
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even for the first few moments because
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it literally felt like oh I am I am
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writing with an ink pen on a piece of
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glass and there in mind like this
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without I assume the app developer being
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able to optima this is exactly it it's
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it's I wanted to see it on good notes in
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particular because I feel like that
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developer has done an amazing job with
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the handwriting like if you are really
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sensitive to this stuff you can see
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there's a there's ELISA my peon there's
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a very big difference between the
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handwriting on on something like
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notability versus good notes and I think
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good notes does a really great job but
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she was like pre developer optimizations
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it's it's uncanny and I and I'd say like
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this I only use it for a few minutes but
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in those few minutes I feel like I can
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say that the latency was unnoticeable
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that if it felt like it was right under
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the pencil tip the whole time and it
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really is a very big subjective feeling
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change using it that way so I am really
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looking forward to editing the scripts
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with the pencil on the screen and
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uh you you know we haven't discussed it
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but you know I put up a wishlist before
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my keynote went up of things that I
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wanted and one of those things was Apple
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pencil two there are a lot of things
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that I still wanted an Apple pencil
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mostly it not being in content wise uh
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and maybe aluminum with a little grip on
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it but all those things aside I feel in
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retrospect like I can half tick that box
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because even though the pencil isn't new
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the experience of using it with the new
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hardware makes it feel like it was a new
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one like if they if someone had handed
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me a pencil and said oh this is the
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Apple pencil too and use it on the
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screen I would be but I would be saying
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like I cannot believe how you guys got
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the latency down it's amazing yeah it's
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one of those things with each
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combination of two pieces of hardware
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and software yeah is they actually need
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to update the hardware the pencil at all
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yeah to make this change which is really
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impressive yeah it's it really is yeah
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that groove you are I was hoping that we
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were gonna get more from without
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immigrants to the pencil like an actual
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new model but that hasn't happened so I
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mean the things that I and you want with
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this I'm not surprised that they haven't
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bothered to change it yet mm-hmm I feel
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like you can do that down the line
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there's no there's no real need to make
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those changes right now other than to
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just placate me in you right in regards
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to the pencil there were two interesting
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things there one is if you have an Apple
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pencil now you can tap on an on a locked
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screen and start writing a note I
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thought that was a genius interface
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edition yeah so this is very similar to
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the way that the Samsung Galaxy Note
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series has been for a while there's is a
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little bit cooler in that you just start
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writing and you write on the black
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screen oh okay yeah which is really cool
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worthy with the on the iPad you tap it
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and it just brings up a note which is
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sandboxed you can't access your other
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notes until you unlock that's nice but
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you're able to just take notes really
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quickly which i think is really cool
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there's also like the ability to draw
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directly into some applications so notes
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and mail have it I assume this is a
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developer API as well where you're able
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to rather than enter a specific drawing
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mode you can just draw as well as this
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new screenshot function where you take a
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screenshot on the iPad it flies down to
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the bottom left hand corner you can mark
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right and there you can grab it drive
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yes so amazing but what they have made
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sure to keep is the ability to maintain
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what me and you fought hard to keep
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which is the ability to go to use the
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Apple pencil as a UI manipulation tool
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to use it as a replacement for the
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finger to the point where there is some
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settings somewhere where you're actually
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able to turn off it's instant drawing
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functionality so you can keep moving
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around notes now I was really surprised
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to see that I figured the applications
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where they allow you to just start
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drawing in them they would take it away
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yeah that I was anyone who's following
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on Twitter know like I was getting very
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anxious being I was looking at a lot of
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good because when they're demoing the oh
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here's how you draw on the screenshot
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thing here's how you do a whole bunch of
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stuff it looks like you're just drawing
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on the screen immediately and I was
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watching all the videos incredibly
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closely like I just want to see someone
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press a button with the Apple pencil and
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they never do and I was extremely
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worried about it but yeah it's such a
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huge deal such a big big relief that
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they were able to add all of these
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interesting features that are related to
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this instant drawing which which we
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think was they like the original vision
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of how the pencil would work they were
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able to add all of those features while
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keeping UI navigation with the pencil I
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think it's it's it's fantastic I feel
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like if anybody on that interface team
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is listening to this like I want to
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personally thank you for this because
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it's so important to us yeah as I cannot
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express in words adequately how much of
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a big deal that is to me so I my my
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personal thanks goes out to anyone who
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worked on that and I understand that
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adding that additional functionality
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while keeping UI navigation was not an
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easy thing to do like having a setting
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yeah as well right which I which rightly
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so in a lot of ways Apple was very
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reluctant to add settings to things to
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try and give the user interface simple
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so to have that is great I did say at
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the time and I do mean this that if it
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was gone in certain applications like
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notes on mail I would have accepted it
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and because my problem at the time was
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when an Apple originally took this away
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and like was it like iOS tens beta
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something yeah it was it was like yeah
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the second beta it disappeared there was
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no reason there was no added
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functionality and I think I remember
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saying at the time that I would have
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been happy if we could see why right it
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only seemed like at the time was boohoo
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I don't like you losing my software in
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this way yes because there was no
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functionality that was being added like
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this is function I think that is added
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yeah any like okay I can see why maybe I
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can't scroll in Apple notes anymore
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there was nothing like that it just
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seemed like they were preparing for this
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right then I just like take it away
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rather than trying to fix and provide
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this solution mm-hmm so if it would have
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been gone in notes hold on okay like
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there is additional functionality here
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I'll understand but I'm really happy
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that's not the case I'm very extremely
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and I'm more happy this way but I would
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have at least accepted it like we would
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be on the show right now and I wouldn't
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be complaining I wouldn't be begging
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like we did last time right I would say
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it's a shame I understand I use apps
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like this so like I use notability quite
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a lot and if you have the pencil you
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have to use your finger as well to move
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hmm or you switch into a different mode
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and I get it it's like but you know it's
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always there I can just swipe in a right
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swipe in them right it's fine it was
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just like I didn't then want it to be
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able to go back to the home screen and
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tap around as it right so the fact that
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it's all there and it's all maintained
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it's such a big win for usability and it
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it is an accessibility feature yeah it
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100% is like
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injuries for repetitive strain injury
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RSI which meaning you both have new tool
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much worse extent than me it allows us
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to continue to be able to work for long
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periods of time because we can switch
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modes yeah how I was at I was at
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breakfast this morning with essentially
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eight people and there was there was a
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the youngest one of us at the table was
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describing that she was beginning to get
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the first signs of RSI and and
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immediately but everybody at the table
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we are all people who make a living on
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computers it was like everyone leaned in
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and was just focusing on how central
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this is like you are you are younger
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than us if you're getting the beginning
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of this like focus on it right now it's
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like everybody at that table who makes
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living on on computers in one form or
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another has to focus on an RSI issue or
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an ergonomic issue in their own way for
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their own thing and and yeah that's why
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I think the pencil is a stylus for some
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people and I'm in that category is is a
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vital input accessibility feature and
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and it really helps avoid injuries to
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poor people the ability to use a pen on
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my Mac with my Wacom tablet and my saved
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my hand mmm like my right hand has been
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saved by the fact that I can use my left
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hand then I'm you know I'm unique in
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this way where I'm extremely lucky that
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I am left-handed for writing I'm
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right-handed for Mouse and trackpad
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manipulation because I can do the most
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magical thing if I give my hands a break
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yep it's not just that I'm able to swap
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around like I'm very lucky in this way
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so all of my teasing as a kid for being
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left-handed look at me now you know like
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so I'm really lucky that way but it is
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this ability to be able to switch modes
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to grip in a different way to be able to
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hold up him which is more natural to us
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because we do it from a much earlier age
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I don't think any of its natural but for
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whatever reason that is more than
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holding a mouse hmm which makes me think
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by the way I was talking to a dinner
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about this recently I wonder
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if and how these things will change in
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the next 10 or 15 years like if kids
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today maybe in a generation younger than
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me or you won't get RSI problems in
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their hands for using track pads and
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mice as much as we did
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a higher proportion of them will develop
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strange injuries as compared to keep
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your fists closed which is the hand
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position for holding a pen yeah yeah
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organic the iPad is then the iPhone is
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we really don't if it's just destroying
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you can feel every muscle every muscle
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use them it's like I once wild I can't
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fading into sand over time Mike every
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time you touch your iPad but anyway
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back home to London tomorrow mm-hmm
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I knew iPads come out on like Tuesday of
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next week
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mmm so I'll hopefully own one by about
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the time this episode will be coming out
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so I didn't actually I just I usually I
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didn't buy online I want to just go to
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the store get it in my little grubby
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hands I go back home again right and not
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waiting around from the delivery man
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may I tell you about what happened we
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went a bought the switch no so I bought
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three Nintendo switches right Oh God
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three because I wanted to make sure I
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got on day one I've had so many problems
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pre-ordered the PS VR headset and then
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the email me in the morning they were
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like yeah when I've got him and just
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like the worst just so annoying because
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I'm terrible
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so you want to ensure delivery this is
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not the multi switch lifestyle exactly
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okay show delivery to one of them are
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sold tomorrow one I returned it okay it
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was purely just I was just spreading the
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risk right got it on the morning that
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they were making delivered I had a guy
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coming to fit a fan in the bathroom and
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he calls me and he's like you're
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intercoms broken hahaha I'm like fuck
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this I have three Nintendo switches
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coming did you oh no I did did you sit
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window and I was watching out on the
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street for the delivery guy and I like
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Amazon guy walk in a bunch of boxes and
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to the door and I like just open the
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door I'm like I'm coming downstairs
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I got they all came I like the idea that
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as you were doing this the song the
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waiting is the hardest part by Tom Petty
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anything other than look right we gotta
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watch out for the delivery drivers right
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so I'm just sitting there the whole time
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I'm so pleased that every right Billy in
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the morning not like 2:00 p.m. in the
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afternoon I'm a terrible person I'm more
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my terrible person mess but I was really
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excited in its no switch and you know
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what it's freaking worth it because I
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love that thing you're very excited
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about it we took like an 11 hour flight
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me and Federico to get
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we were able to fill half of that time
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playing Mario Kart that that's that's
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good use it was really great so I'm
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gonna be getting an iPad I'm gonna be
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buying the 10.5 that's the one I'm gonna
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be buying because it's the new one
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mm-hmm and I want to try out only see
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what it's like however I do not foresee
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me moving away from the mod type at
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lifestyle because I bring the smaller
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iPad when I travel mostly it's mostly my
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out of the house computer so when I
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travel when I go out to work somewhere I
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home working I have the bigger one so
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over time what I originally thought was
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how it shake house house shaking out my
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large iPad pro is like my desktop
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machine and my small iPad pro is like my
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laptop that's kind of how it was shaking
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out for me but I want to get the 10.5
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first because it's the newer one right
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it looks new it has new stuff bigger
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screen it just looks new but I intend on
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buying the bigger one at some point in
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the future as well and I'm wondering
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what your multi pad lifestyle plan is
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for these um I I would expect it's gonna
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be an inverse okay so my current setup
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is that I don't have a nine point seven
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what what happened in my household my
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household is in disarray right now
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because the iPad Mini seems to be going
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away okay so let's talk about the iPad
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Mini first okay
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where we should start the story is that
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over the past many years the iPad Mini
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has become for my wife her general
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purpose computer I am astounded at her
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ability to use that as her everything
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machine she must be proportionally the
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right size to use the key like that how
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fast she can type on the iPad Mini
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keyboard screen like it blows my mind
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blame that on Dvorak but it still is
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like I could type so slowly but she's
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just you know types of Oracle
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perfect but they don't have a Dvorak
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keyboard for iPad that's what it is Mike
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um so she's been using that for years as
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her main yep computer now the position
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that she is in is going back to our
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earlier conversation she uh recently
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started developing her own RSI problems
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from using the iPad and I suspect the
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same way of holding her fingers back
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over the screen and so as soon as I
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started happening I'm like okay we can't
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you're not pushing this any further and
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I gave her my small iPad pro to use with
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the pencil hmm okay and she totally fell
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in love with using the pencil this is
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just like I was really pushing the Wacom
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tablet on you a long time ago like the
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pencil is a great interface and everyone
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I have ever been able to successfully
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get them to try using it on a computer
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they they've eventually adopted and
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loved it feel like it's the same thing
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with the pencil once again we will say
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buy a Wacom tablet set it to pen mode
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yes then try it for a week yeah yeah
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hearing has to do with that way that is
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the steps and also currently we are both
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using the into goes pro yep right yeah
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Fitz vent an absolutely fantastic has
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buttons that you can set to do shortcut
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is brilliant it's it's it's a really
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great piece of hardware but yeah so my
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wife then started using the pencil with
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her iPad which was my old nine point
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seven now where we were in what I
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thought was going to be the life cycle
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of the iPad I thought oh this will just
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be for a couple months all right and the
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visual you guys yeah it ended up being
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like a year and more sad without this
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small iPad which I think III know what
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this sounds like by like I cannot
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describe how much of a disruptor in this
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actually was because of the way that I
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like to split and divide my work and I
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just is this he's just his creeping
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delay of every month I thought well like
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well I'm not gonna buy another one now
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like it's great and every month that
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goes by it's crazier and crazier so
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she's been using that thing but sound
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sounds like we have something in common
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here because while my wife loves using
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the pencil as UI navigation she'll never
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go back
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it's not a big fan of the bigger size
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right she has been saying to me I can't
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wait for them to come out with the mini
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with Hansel support and I have been I
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have been trying so hard to be like I
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just want to be clear and don't think
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this is going to happen you just you
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need to prepare yourself for that and
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this has been a thought that has been I
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think like I have been incapable of
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putting it in her mot like lodging it
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properly in her mind because it keeps
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coming back ups where be like I'm really
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looking forward to having the mini with
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pencil support and like okay but I think
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you should you might want to prepare
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yourself that the mini might not be
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around like you bet you might need to do
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this so just just a small thing to cut
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just a double back again that UI that
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you were talking about before where you
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can have the pencil touch the screen and
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pop you right into a note and just start
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writing when I saw that that UI alone
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made me feel even more like I really
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wish they did make a mini that worked
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with a pencil because that's a notepad
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that UI is like it's begging to be a
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notepad it really really is begging to
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be a notepad
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I suspect since they didn't update the
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mini this time like it's not going to
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happen and especially not like pen
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support with the mini if they ever do
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update the mini current state of the
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mini is not good they are under selling
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one model of it it's the most expensive
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with the highest storage option yeah
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that is not a good sign along with a lot
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of rumors are sounding getting rid of it
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yeah it's it really isn't a good sign
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but but looking at that UI for quickly
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being able to write a note it just it
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feels like it's almost designed for
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someone to have a little notepad with
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them that they can write on it just it
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feels it feels so perfect but it's not
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around so so you know when you're a fan
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of a technology company especially Apple
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mm-hmm and someone in your life is upset
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at that company and then they start like
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treating you as if you're gonna hear yes
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is like why are you getting rid of the
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mini when you wanna argue on behalf of
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the calm
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you like where it's like you know um the
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argument that I had with a dinner about
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this not like we weren't showing each
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other how was I was being Apple in this
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right is it and is like they know how
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many of these devices they sell and if
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they sold lots of iPad minis they would
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keep making the iPad Mini I think
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they're not selling a lot of iPad minis
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and I know that there is this like there
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is a cycle which you can argue that if
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you're not updating it you're not going
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to sell it but I think they're smarter
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than that and they can look at trends
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over time and I think the iPad Mini used
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to sell really well but over time has
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not so much right and the iPad Mini that
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Edina owns is my old iPad Mini 2 and I
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had been trying to convince her for a
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long time to update that and now we're a
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point where updating is a ridiculous
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thing to do right because it is more
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expensive than the regular iPad now it's
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like it's like well are 500 pounds right
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to buy and iPad Mini right now so I mean
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the easy suggestion of maybe you should
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use the the kitchen iPad the iPad air 2
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that was not met very kindly as a
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solution so I don't know what we're
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gonna do
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yeah it's it's interesting um I I know a
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bunch of people who are fans of the of
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the iPad Mini like really big fans and
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it's only the same reaction that me and
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you had when we thought that like where
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is our iPad right like it's the same
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reaction of how dare you yeah yeah it it
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definitely is just that it is a long way
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of saying one I'm I am sat on a personal
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level twice that there is not a mini pro
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because I know that could not be the
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more perfect machine for my wife and I
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also think there would be a real market
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for a like a notebook size thing to make
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handwritten notes on uh but I just don't
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think that's going to happen and the
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first rule of multipack club is more
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iPads right like you know like a reason
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to own a third for a different use is
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only a good thing I personally would not
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get a a mini pro I really like I'm okay
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I really wouldn't have a
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we're on it anyway like it's too close
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to the phone lights what yeah
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asterisk ear I love pencil support on
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the phone me too and and I'll tell you
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uh not from my end but someone in my
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household
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occasionally curse is very loudly when
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she's using her iPad pro give it a
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hassle not even not giving anything away
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she's using the iPad pro a nine point
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seven with her pencil and reaches over
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to tap something on her phone and it's
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like and it does nothing I was like Skyy
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right this is like being shocked with
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electricity I really hope they do bring
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pencil support to the iPhone at some
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point I'm not holding my breath but it
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would be nice ah but yeah so that so
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that is a situation uh I am planning on
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getting both of the new iPad pros at the
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same time I am planning on getting them
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at the same time because what I want to
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do is I want to go back to the situation
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that I had before
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when I had a smaller iPad pro before it
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got used in another way of having an
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ability to separate out different areas
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of my working life yeah and in
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particular I the the place I really do
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the only place that I don't like the
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12:9 is on the couch I feel like it is
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too big of a machine to be using on the
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couch yep I feel like it's like it's
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almost a wall between you and the other
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people on the couch it's too big of a
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screen it's like distracting for the
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other person who's on the couch is the
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only place I don't like it and that's
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where I would definitely want to use a
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smaller machine and when I had the 97 I
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always found that I was actually like a
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really great admin machine sitting on
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the couch and so that that is my plan
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for the 10 5 is to use it in in that way
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and like in that situation particularly
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a few other things but the 12 9 is still
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going to be my main general-purpose
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computer that I use for everything
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that's not a specialized task one thing
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those I haven't actually seen it well 9
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yet hmm
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and I'm a little bit scared of that
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because
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the 12 point 9 inch iPad has also gained
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the true tone display hmm that display
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the true tone display with the 120
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megahertz refresh rate is gonna be
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bonkers so I'm worried that like I'm
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gonna go to the store mm-hmm
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to get my 10.5 mm-hmm and I'm just gonna
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take a look at twelve point nine right
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and walk out with both of them
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I don't really going to show you a
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little sparkles around at this cool
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little spot light coming down from the
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ceiling happy music and you're not going
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to be able to resist is that your
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concern that is my concern
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I mean I have my iPad fund mmm because I
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got to save for longer than I was
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expecting
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right my refresh is right so the money
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is there anyway
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mmm oh it's it's it's bottle rate I
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probably we know how that I mean the
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reason is it's like I know I'm gonna do
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it is my plan to to refresh them both
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but it was I wanted to be able to spend
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more time with the the newest hardware
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like the 10.5 before okay having them
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both so I could really put a 10.5
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through its paces mmm but we'll see how
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it ends up when I actually go to the
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store on new keyboards as well hmm so
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the 10.9 inches obviously it's a big
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goes it's bigger keys are bigger have
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you plated this new smart keyboard at
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all yeah I have had a chance to play
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with the smart Keyboard on the 10.5 it
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looks bigger I mean I want to look at it
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I can see it's bigger yeah it's I had an
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outside hope that maybe there'd be a way
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to use the 10-5 as the main machine
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because I really like the smart keyboard
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cover but I like I have to have a full
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size keyboard it's a real deal breaker
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the 10.5 smart keyboard it's so close
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but it's thick it's just maybe 2
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centimeters too short right and that's
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just enough that when I start typing
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quickly I start like the number of
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mistakes goes up very very fast so I I
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can't use that as a general-purpose
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machine I do love the lightness of it
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big win because the 12:9 is like just
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under my heaviness threshold is a tank
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it is it is a total tank if it was two
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tenths of a pound heavier I would never
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use it but I find it like it's it's just
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under that threshold for me so I'm
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totally fine and the trade-off of having
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a real full size keyboard is is
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completely worth it if you're a person
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who found the old 9 7 smart keyboard
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just a little too small you might be
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perfectly fine with it with the 10 5
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keyboard it is bigger but it's just a
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little too small for me still and
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there's like you seen this like sleeve
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oh yeah yeah this like well I looked and
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thought was a completely pointless thing
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this lever sleeve yeah they said that
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they showed that on screen at the kick
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at the keynote I was like well that's
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dumb and then I saw it in person and it
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looks real good
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it's the equivalent of will you'd see
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like an old desk and it would have a
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piece of lever built into the desk as
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the writing pad area yeah it reminds me
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exactly yeah that's exactly what it is
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so you take your iPad out and you put
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your little lever sleeve down and you
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take the pencil out the little well that
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they have for its really nice it's a
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nice accessory and it's if I was ever
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gonna use something like that it would
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be seen as I could something to put in
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and out of a bag yeah that's it I the
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thing that that made me reconsider that
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is one it looks really nice in person it
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works with the cover of the iPad which I
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I never I just assumed that it wouldn't
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right I thought like it would be a
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replacement for having this mark that
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you made for that yeah it has been
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measured to be used with the keyboard
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cover attached yeah that and and that
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totally changes it because in my mind I
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just assumed oh this is not what it's
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for it is an alternative cover it's not
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meant to be used with the keyboard cover
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so as soon as I realized I like that's
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great because when I'm traveling in
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particular that that's one time I'm very
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pencil when I'm traveling and that makes
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that case really nice that I have a unit
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on an airplane that I can pull out it
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has both pieces that I need I can put
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both pieces back and slap it back into
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the suitcase when I'm done so
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I think I'll pick up one of those for
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travel usage if nothing else there is
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one number accessory which is just a
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leather key cover case yeah for the
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pencil I think it's that's not gonna
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happen but it's not gonna happen
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like it doesn't making it doesn't change
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it in any way like it doesn't do
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anything like the pencil is this
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indestructible piece of acrylic plastic
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like it doesn't it doesn't need
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protecting it doesn't it's like all we
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got scuffed yeah uh yeah I'm you know
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red ibly rough on my hardware I've never
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noticed anything with the pencil like
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scratch even scratches and Psyche um I'm
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rolling it through sand and gravel
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everyday I never notice anything good
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and on the construction site where the
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iPad is used yeah the last one of the
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last things on the multi-part lifestyle
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and it isn't it is a tenant of the of
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the the lifestyle is what happens to the
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previous devices mm-hmm so if we both
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replace our current equipment where the
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old ones go I wish I'm just looking
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around the room right now we're in your
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room I wish we were in my room because I
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would show you what my current twelve
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point nine inch iPad looks like and uh
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it had a big drop huh like a year ago oh
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oh there's like a like clunk is totally
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dented out the corner and I thought wow
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whatever it's not a big deal but over
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the months what has been happening is
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the screen is slowly slowly separating
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uh on my 12:9 and just like I kept
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thinking Oh any day now though a little
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bit bill release on its like I would
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never have lived with this as a hardware
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problem for as long as I did but I kept
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thinking like I'm gonna be replacing
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this machine any day now because it was
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like our pleasure in September um I'd be
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much yeah exactly right right yeah ever
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saw March is like well it's gotta be
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WWDC right as I yeah it use nothing
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forever yeah it's it is the the most
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banged up hardware that I have so that
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that that twelve nine is not long for
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this world anyway so
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that thing is going and nobody because
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it'll slice their hands open inside
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where the screen is so so that thing is
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is just gone my wife is going to keep
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using the smaller iPad Pro because she
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doesn't want anything that's bigger she
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already thinks that one is too big so
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that so that'll stick around so this is
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actually for me
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essentially a hardware replacement cycle
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yeah okay but for me I think I'm just
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gonna shuffle them down the line so like
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the current 97 will become the kitchen
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iPad right right or overcoming Dena's
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iPad if she can bear it mm-hmm
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and then the current kitchen iPad which
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is in there too will go to another
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member of my family at a 12-9 I have I
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have no idea then one can do with that
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yet because I I don't know if anyone
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will want it just because it's such a
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it's a specific device mmm for a
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specific type of person yeah exactly and
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so I'll have to ask around family and
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friends if anybody wants to take out
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man's the covered in sticker device that
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it is yeah I mean it's funny is you say
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it's a specific device for a specific
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person but I can't remember if I've
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mentioned on the show or not but when
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that iPad broke came out in my family we
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had a tech support decision which was
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transitioning my aunt from his MacBook
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that she had that was like an eight year
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old MacBook it was only lasting
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long-term yeah I was like this it was so
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old and uh it was so old that like Apple
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would refuse to do any support on it and
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it was a really interesting experience
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because her her needs were so minimal
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for computing and like she just does web
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browsing and email
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she doesn't even really do text or
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anything but when it came around to
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thinking like oh what are we going to do
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with my aunt because this thing is is
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not going to make it until the next time
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I come and visit right it's like all the
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tech support builds up for every time I
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go to visit my family and we're
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realizing like it's not going to last
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until the next time that I comes we have
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to do something and I took a gamble with
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that and I decided let's put my aunt on
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the twelve point nine inch iPad pro now
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she's the most unpro
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and she loves that machine it is it was
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itself it's so interesting to see
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they're like oh actually on the reverse
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end of the spectrum this is a perfect
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computer it has a hole size hardware
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keyboard and if you set it up so there's
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just a couple buttons on the home screen
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here's your email here's your web
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browser here's some maps and no one can
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mess around of it right no way it can be
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broken the tech support requirement is
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minimum and it has like we were saying
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before this feature of there's no
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drop-down menus to find stuff in it's
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like everything is just on the screen to
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touch so I have actually found like it's
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very interesting to me that my aunt has
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has taken to that and totally loves it
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and so in a weird way it's actually a
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very good machine on the total reverse
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end of the spectrum and she uses it just
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just like a little laptop 100% sure she
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knows the screen even comes off right
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business is like it's just a lot laptop
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to her and she's like oh the software is
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different and she's great no no problem
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at all Oh exactly Computer Group yeah
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it's just what we wanted great do you
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feel do you feel placate it isn't the
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word you satisfied when we spend a lot
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of time recently talking about but we
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were unhappy with the way that thing's
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gonna I've been kind of thinking about
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this that like WWDC 2016 2 wc 2017 was
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an error of dissatisfaction and
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pessimism in the Apple community which
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led to me and you rethinking how we
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wanted to move going forward it felt
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like we were on all fronts louisia right
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like even our max we're losing out which
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is the least important of our devices
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and we kind of felt like the pro users
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of Apple being left out in the cold it
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was it was a long walk through the
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valley of darkness yeah
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like without a doubt like it's just been
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bad hmm
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but as you said earlier in the episode
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every WC 2017 everyone got everything
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they wanted how do you feel so in our
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previous episode I mentioned that if I
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got everything that I wanted it would
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still not be enough mm-hmm and here's
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the thing that is that statement is true
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but I stand I stand by that statement
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because what I want to see is not just
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oh we've had a magical year and
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everybody got everything they wanted
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which while I'm extremely happy there is
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still that feeling of like some of the
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stuff just feels way overdue
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like it should have it should have been
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sooner like seeing it now I can
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understand maybe why like okay
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multitasking you were doing a UI refresh
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with it like I can see why these things
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took a long time but nonetheless there
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still is a little bit of a feeling of
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like okay Apple we're back on the level
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you put on an amazing show right it's
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like you've got elephants and lions and
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magic boxes and it's great
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you put an amazing stone I'm like I'm
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satisfied I'm satisfied very happy and
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also satisfied so I feel that way it was
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a great WWDC I really want to
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congratulate everybody was working on it
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like it's fantastic I do have that
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feeling of I will be truly happy when I
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see that it is less than two years until
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this happens again like on on uh on this
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on my personal wish list for WWDC
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the number one item was less than two
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years until the next major round of iPad
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improvements and I have that feeling but
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I can also say that I feel very
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confident that it won't be two years
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until that happens why
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because I don't think that the magic box
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with a gift for everybody was an
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accident
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like thinking back over that keynote and
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looking at all of the things that they
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did I didn't realize it until after the
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keynote was over how much of the stuff
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they talked about was future stuff right
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like they they wanted to hit everybody's
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got something and it's like hey we've
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got new Macs today but guess what
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there's going to be this totally awesome
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iMac Pro it's coming out in December
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right and it's like hey we're working on
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a speaker ok that's coming out later in
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the year like and they they went through
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everything so that everybody can feel
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happy and that is such it that is such a
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departure from the normal appellate alit
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done yeah well wait til it's done and
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we'll tell you when it's available for
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sale right now and I just maybe I'm
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interpreting it wrong but I really do
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feel like this was an intentional
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decision to have a total crowd pleaser
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and that is a great opportunity to be a
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reset button of like let's make
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everybody happy there's something for
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everybody and I am taking that as a very
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good sign that there's an internal
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reassessment and Apple of even if it's
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taking us longer to do stuff let's try
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to be better about communicating it at
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the very least and let's be aware of
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just updating stuff as we go along so
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and maybe proven wrong in the future but
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I feel very confident that it's not
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going to be two years until the next
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round that I'm going to see you in San
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Jose next year and I'll be able to tick
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off that top box on this year's wish
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list it's not going to take two years
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for this to happen again I feel exactly
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the same as you but a little bit more so
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in that I don't like having to be
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pessimistic all the time like it's no
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it's terrible it's very frustrating and
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it's not happy and it makes me not enjoy
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my job as much mm-hm you know my job has
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inbuilt and it's so much enjoyment for
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me because I get to do and talk about
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the things that I love
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spending the last maybe nine months
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being annoyed mmm and frustrated has
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made my job less fun yeah
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so I'm my current feeling right now
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going for the next 12 months is I'm
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gonna try and be as optimistic as I can
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because what I have in front of me right
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now is really exciting yes because I've
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been given all the tools that I was
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looking for so I'm gonna try and enjoy
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them as much as possible hmm because I
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feel like that that is a thing I can do
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like I always try but last year was not
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really given anything so it was really
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it just got really tricky because it was
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like okay the software sucks
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but at least I'm gonna get on a new
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hardware ah right then fine I'll just
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well new iPhones are now or I'll stick
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with a car not the way they often looks
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right like yeah really
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we've got air pods which are fantastic
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mm-hmm that's kind of it really like in
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the grand scheme of things the things
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that really surprised and made me happy
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in the past year hmm that was the big
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one yeah and everything else that I was
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hoping for I had to wait a bit longer
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for so now I'm like well I have all this
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stuff that I wanted now they gave it to
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me in one day
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mm-hmm like even though things are not
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that gone like that the home pod the
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Siri speaker music thing it understand
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think is a product for me that they're
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focusing way more on music and I don't
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really consume music that way at home
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I'll just say I have a suspicion about
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the home pod I've been like I don't push
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on everybody which is I think the name
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makes sense if you think that the
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direction that Apple is going is this is
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good this device right now is not it's
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in Kent I don't know what its gonna be
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they're showing all the music stuff
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right now because Gary isn't at the
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point where they want it to be now and
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it seems like even by the time this
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ships in December the story could be
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really different but just where they are
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today they're focusing way more on the
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music aspect because that's the best
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feature of it because it's his
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incredible speaker like as they show it
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right now it's not for me but I'm sure
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it's actually a product for a lot of
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people and if you listen to music at
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home like this is a thing in your house
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this looks fantastic and I know people
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that I've heard it
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I've read some stuff about people that
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have actually heard the thing and for
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the money it seems to be an incredibly
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good speaker but like for me we like the
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Amazon echo at home because of its
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integrations for services and Apple is
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an at that point with this product yet
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so I have no desire to change but I'm
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not begrudging it yeah because they're
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not standing on stage and saying like
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this is our answer to the echo right
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right they showed the echo on stage and
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they're like they want to make a product
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that was a combination between a really
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great speaker like a Sonos and something
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smart like an echo and it seems to have
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that because you can do some serious
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talk with it but it's definitely not
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their answer to it not yet
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I believe like you that it will be
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because the clues in the name
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yeah that is like talking about what are
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we expecting in the future I feel like
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the home pod name is an arrow pointing
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in the direction of future development
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and it can do some stuff like it can act
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as the like base of your home kit
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devices I can't remember the actual
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terminology Apple use but effectively
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like the home server for those devices
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it can do that where the Apple TV can
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currently do it so like it has some
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functionality there or or an old iPad
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which or I old iPad which is my central
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server - by accident my kitchen iPad is
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by accident my home and the home port
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and we get thing but like so it's got
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that stuff but it's like I'm not annoyed
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about this like what I wanted was Apple
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to give me something I could replace
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mica with but they didn't but it's fine
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mmm Gaja keep using man was like man was
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Anika cool with it but I know that if
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they wouldn't have given me the iPad
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stuff my overall feeling would've been
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pessimism and I was really annoyed about
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the home pod right right yeah that's
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what the last year has been that every
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announcement
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Apple has had has not been good enough
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right because they weren't necessarily
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what I was looking for and they also
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hadn't given me anything else right I
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know and it's it's like there there's an
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alternate universe where this WWDC
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keynote has you know maybe no new iPads
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or like it's just missing a bunch of
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stuff but they still have that
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kaleidoscope watch face and I would be
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burning down the world right but you
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know the other thing is I've recorded
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two shows I've listened to two shows
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he talks about the opening video oh
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right yes of course which was funny but
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in points kind of tone-deaf that that
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video is going to come to bite Apple in
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the ass eventually because someday
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they're going to have a major iCloud
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like out in and that is going to be the
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first thing that people on the internet
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remixes like all right remember when you
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made the video about a big disaster at
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your data center yeah and those up
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nobodies iPhones and we've cited the
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apocalypse but that's not being bought
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up yeah
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where it would be usually yeah but we
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just haven't got time to criticize yeah
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and and it and it's also in in the scope
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of things I mean just to touch back upon
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it briefly like I I think maybe the
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worst decision that Apple made when we
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were in the valley of darkness was
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releasing the book about how fantastic
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all of their products are I think that
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is maybe the most tone-deaf getting
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Apple has ever done or a history of the
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company is like guys hold off that book
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just until after this WWDC right and
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it's like now that is an example of like
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it seems like you're showing off a bunch
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of stuff while you have you've got
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nothing to back it up
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and something like with this WWDC it's
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like okay is that for his video a little
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tone deaf
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is that Kaleidoscope watchface may be
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the worst thing i've ever seen but it
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does it like you're willing to go
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totally past it because it's like look
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at that sexy iMac Pro like Eggers dumb
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video whatever like who cares oh my god
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you put new processes in a MacBook Pro
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ready yes yes thumbs like and and so
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it's it's this feeling like when you're
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doing amazing things the people who like
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your products are also willing to cut
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you a lot of runway and if you're just
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silent and doing nothing and everything
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is unhappy then the story turns to like
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everything you do is a PR disaster and a
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waste of waste of resources so I feel
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that I feel like Apple has bought
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themselves a lot of runway with this
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WWDC and it's also because of that
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signaling that I've I feel confident
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that they're they're going to do more
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stuff in the future and I'm viewing this
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as like reset WWDC I'm ver I'm just
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really I'm relieved yeah cuz I was
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dreading
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like I was rage-filled on so many fronts
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dreading it right it's like I'm not
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gonna get the tools that I want to do my
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work and I'm gonna have to spend months
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more being just really frustrated yeah
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and I have to say other thing I've
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really liked about that that keynote
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going back to what we were talking about
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being in San Jose with everybody
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everybody's in such a good mood yeah
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it's it's like you can tell every person
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who is here is super happy that you know
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everybody has something everybody has
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excited things to talk about is like the
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whole mood of the Apple community which
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is orbiting around that convention
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centers like everybody is great
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whereas I remember last year there was
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really that feeling of like ooh sticker
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is this great but like what's happening
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where were the thing it was it was a
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totally different mood when you talk to
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people versus this year and this year it
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has made being in San Jose genuinely
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more enjoyable because you can
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everybody's excited about something and
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wants to talk about something so well
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done Apple yeah thanks to Mike for
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setting up this thing in person wasn't
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too bad we've been a little weird but
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it's been way it's been fine
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it's been easier yeah then I was
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expecting I think maybe actually this
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has made it a little bit more like our
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lunches actually are I feel like this
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conversation has been a bit more casual
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than other conversations mm-hmm
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but so we start looking into some don't
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count on this in the future that's what
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I'm saying don't count this in the
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all right man we got to go there's more
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WWDC more things to do more things to do
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thanks for the horrible of the other
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yeah let's go let's get out of here
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