The Incomparable

00:00:02 ◼   ► the Intolerable number 157 June 2017

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the

00:00:12 ◼   ► incomparable I am NOT your host Jason

00:00:15 ◼   ► Snell no I am Erika ensign and I'm

00:00:18 ◼   ► usually a panelist here on the

00:00:19 ◼   ► incomparable but alas our fearless

00:00:21 ◼   ► leader is not able to be with us today

00:00:23 ◼   ► if you are a regular listener to the

00:00:25 ◼   ► podcast you'll know that one thing we do

00:00:27 ◼   ► very rarely is talk about current movies

00:00:29 ◼   ► films that are in the theater now and

00:00:31 ◼   ► that is because it is so hard to find

00:00:33 ◼   ► time for enough of us to get to the

00:00:35 ◼   ► theater and watch them in time to record

00:00:37 ◼   ► a sort of timely podcast about a new

00:00:39 ◼   ► movie but this is one of those rare

00:00:41 ◼   ► occasions when we are going to do just

00:00:43 ◼   ► that we are here to talk about Wonder

00:00:45 ◼   ► Woman starring gal gadot and directed by

00:00:46 ◼   ► patty Jenkins I think Jason would

00:00:49 ◼   ► probably have liked to have been here

00:00:50 ◼   ► but there's this little thing this week

00:00:52 ◼   ► called WWDC and apparently that doesn't

00:00:55 ◼   ► stand for Wonder Woman from Detective

00:00:58 ◼   ► Comics who knew so yeah what's that

00:01:00 ◼   ► about yeah so while the host is a way

00:01:02 ◼   ► the panelists will play and I have a

00:01:04 ◼   ► fine assortment of panelists joining me

00:01:06 ◼   ► today to talk about this blockbuster

00:01:08 ◼   ► film first of all we have a Shannon

00:01:11 ◼   ► ceteris welcome back to the podcast

00:01:12 ◼   ► Shannon or lafa tikis and you heard his

00:01:16 ◼   ► voice a moment ago and David J Laura's

00:01:18 ◼   ► here what would that oh oh that's a

00:01:21 ◼   ► watch Alyssa Frankie welcome welcome to

00:01:28 ◼   ► be incomparable hello and a Kelly

00:01:32 ◼   ► camonte how do you do buckaroos and last

00:01:35 ◼   ► but not least I drag my spouse along

00:01:38 ◼   ► Stephen Chbosky hello nanu-nanu huh yeah

00:01:43 ◼   ► off the rails already and with with

00:01:48 ◼   ► introductions but hey that means I'm

00:01:49 ◼   ► pretty much on pace for many a typical

00:01:52 ◼   ► Jason introduction so I don't feel so

00:01:54 ◼   ► terrible about it but no no no as I said

00:01:59 ◼   ► yes we are here to talk about Wonder

00:02:01 ◼   ► Woman and there are a lot of us who not

00:02:03 ◼   ► only were excited to see the film but

00:02:05 ◼   ► actually got to see it on opening

00:02:07 ◼   ► weekend at least once I think maybe some

00:02:09 ◼   ► of us have seen it more than that so I

00:02:11 ◼   ► think we're going to go around and and

00:02:13 ◼   ► do some some maybe John Syracuse's style

00:02:16 ◼   ► opening statements or just some rough

00:02:18 ◼   ► overall stuff Before we jump into

00:02:20 ◼   ► spoiler territory so so don't don't jump

00:02:23 ◼   ► in with the spoilers right away

00:02:24 ◼   ► but I would like to to kind of hear what

00:02:27 ◼   ► your your opinions are in a general

00:02:29 ◼   ► sense and how many times you've seen

00:02:31 ◼   ► this what it was sort of the experience

00:02:33 ◼   ► was like in the theatre anyone want to

00:02:35 ◼   ► jump in basically I have been dying for

00:02:39 ◼   ► this movie ever since it got greenlit I

00:02:41 ◼   ► am a Wonder Woman fan going all the way

00:02:43 ◼   ► back to my childhood

00:02:45 ◼   ► Super Friends the Lynda Carter TV show

00:02:48 ◼   ► subscribe to the comics for a while

00:02:51 ◼   ► followed the DC Animated universe just

00:02:53 ◼   ► because I loved the character so much

00:02:56 ◼   ► and the movie lived up to my

00:02:59 ◼   ► expectations

00:03:00 ◼   ► beautifully I've left the theater I've

00:03:02 ◼   ► only seen it once so far but I'm going

00:03:04 ◼   ► back and it totally totally satisfied me

00:03:07 ◼   ► awesome Kelly did you see this more than

00:03:10 ◼   ► once I did I saw it three times holy cow

00:03:15 ◼   ► your hero indeed that's about seven

00:03:18 ◼   ► hours yeah so the first time was I have

00:03:22 ◼   ► a regular movie going buddy

00:03:23 ◼   ► so we will go in the afternoon when it's

00:03:26 ◼   ► cheaper because what our schedules will

00:03:27 ◼   ► flex that way and he was complaining

00:03:29 ◼   ► about having nobody to go to movies with

00:03:30 ◼   ► so we've gone and seen stuff and he shot

00:03:35 ◼   ► me a note and said hey I'm going

00:03:36 ◼   ► Thursday night we've got a bunch of

00:03:37 ◼   ► people getting together do you want to

00:03:38 ◼   ► go and I'm like sure so he showed up and

00:03:42 ◼   ► so I actually got to see it with Greg

00:03:45 ◼   ► Rucka whoa dude please tell those in the

00:03:49 ◼   ► audience tonight who don't know who that

00:03:51 ◼   ► is um he's a big deal hmm let's go with

00:03:56 ◼   ► that um he he writes Wonder Woman

00:03:59 ◼   ► currently and actually got to see the

00:04:03 ◼   ► film earlier this year and said that

00:04:07 ◼   ► they hadn't really made any sub citizen

00:04:10 ◼   ► changes so he was looking forward to it

00:04:12 ◼   ► with the score and some some finished CG

00:04:15 ◼   ► and stuff because it didn't have music

00:04:16 ◼   ► when he saw it and and was talking about

00:04:18 ◼   ► how when he went in they really kind of

00:04:22 ◼   ► had to he felt like they were going to

00:04:24 ◼   ► really have to work to impress him and

00:04:25 ◼   ► then they did and so he's been excited

00:04:28 ◼   ► about it for ages and of course couldn't

00:04:29 ◼   ► really say much about it to anybody so

00:04:31 ◼   ► that was really great

00:04:33 ◼   ► um and he's so nice and super friendly

00:04:36 ◼   ► and like it was really great never met

00:04:38 ◼   ► before and I got a chance to actually

00:04:40 ◼   ► sit with him and we chatted a little

00:04:42 ◼   ► before and after the movie and he's so

00:04:44 ◼   ► nice so like on top of everything else

00:04:46 ◼   ► like that was really great and then I

00:04:48 ◼   ► saw it on Friday with some friends of

00:04:51 ◼   ► mine and then again on Saturday with

00:04:53 ◼   ► some friends of mine and one thing that

00:04:55 ◼   ► I noticed is I saw it the first time in

00:04:58 ◼   ► a local theater like an independent

00:05:00 ◼   ► theater that's not a searchlight or

00:05:03 ◼   ► Cinemark or any of those and then I saw

00:05:06 ◼   ► the other the other two times I saw it

00:05:07 ◼   ► in Cinemark theatres and Wow I just sort

00:05:10 ◼   ► of forgot how many commercials um for

00:05:14 ◼   ► those movies when you go to big places

00:05:15 ◼   ► um I really enjoyed getting to see a

00:05:19 ◼   ► movie where a woman was front and center

00:05:22 ◼   ► and the whole thing wasn't about how is

00:05:24 ◼   ► the woman gonna respond to this and I

00:05:27 ◼   ► really felt like the performance of our

00:05:30 ◼   ► two main characters was balanced I feel

00:05:32 ◼   ► like Steve Trevor Chris Pine did a

00:05:34 ◼   ► really good job of I don't know how to

00:05:37 ◼   ► describe it but like he knew it wasn't

00:05:39 ◼   ► his movie when right like I feel like

00:05:43 ◼   ► that was kind of an important thing

00:05:45 ◼   ► because it's not often that the guy that

00:05:47 ◼   ► particularly for you Chris Pine who

00:05:49 ◼   ► spent three movies as the center of the

00:05:51 ◼   ► film is Captain Kirk you know um feeling

00:05:55 ◼   ► like it was sort of interesting to watch

00:05:56 ◼   ► him play second fiddle and so that was

00:05:59 ◼   ► also a really interesting part of it I

00:06:01 ◼   ► want to get into specific stuff later so

00:06:03 ◼   ► I'm just going to leave it at I really

00:06:05 ◼   ► enjoyed it and I would not be sad at all

00:06:08 ◼   ► if I had accidentally ended up with

00:06:10 ◼   ► plans to see it a fourth time today mhm

00:06:13 ◼   ► yeah I I saw it Friday night and I loved

00:06:17 ◼   ► it and I one of the things I was I was

00:06:20 ◼   ► really impressed by was the chemistry

00:06:23 ◼   ► between the two of them I thought that

00:06:25 ◼   ► was delightful they were there were

00:06:27 ◼   ► there were moments straight out of a 30s

00:06:30 ◼   ► or 40s mid film and sometimes a

00:06:31 ◼   ► screwball comedy and sometimes a drama

00:06:33 ◼   ► and they they carried them beautifully

00:06:35 ◼   ► and and you're exactly right about him

00:06:38 ◼   ► knowing that it's not his film and

00:06:40 ◼   ► playing that brilliantly I kind of wish

00:06:45 ◼   ► his Jim Kirk were a little bit more like

00:06:47 ◼   ► Steve Trevor at least in the first two

00:06:48 ◼   ► movies there's a little better in Star

00:06:50 ◼   ► Trek beyond but the

00:06:51 ◼   ► JJ Abrams movies he's a little too bro

00:06:54 ◼   ► and this was much more this this is a

00:06:57 ◼   ► hero this is a good character yeah yeah

00:06:59 ◼   ► I had a little eye rolling when I heard

00:07:01 ◼   ► that he'd been cast because at that

00:07:03 ◼   ► point all we had was two Star Trek

00:07:05 ◼   ► movies and a Jack Ryan movie right you

00:07:07 ◼   ► know to sort of look at and it was and

00:07:09 ◼   ► I'm like oh that hurts a little you know

00:07:12 ◼   ► I wasn't sure how they were gonna do

00:07:13 ◼   ► that but I was I was really impressed

00:07:15 ◼   ► with him and I actually came out of that

00:07:16 ◼   ► with a much higher estimation of Chris

00:07:19 ◼   ► Pine than I did going in nine so Alyssa

00:07:22 ◼   ► what was your experience like so I saw

00:07:26 ◼   ► it on Friday it was a birthday party

00:07:29 ◼   ► actually for one of my gal friends and

00:07:31 ◼   ► walking into the theater it was an

00:07:33 ◼   ► amazing experience in and of itself

00:07:36 ◼   ► there was these two little girls that

00:07:38 ◼   ► were running up the street alongside me

00:07:40 ◼   ► and they ran up and they ran to the

00:07:42 ◼   ► movie poster they started shrieking and

00:07:44 ◼   ► they ran up to the ticket box and they

00:07:45 ◼   ► started shrieking and they were jumping

00:07:47 ◼   ► up and down like absolutely gleeful just

00:07:51 ◼   ► to be able to go and see this the movie

00:07:54 ◼   ► theater was not all women unfortunately

00:07:57 ◼   ► we did not get one of those showings

00:07:59 ◼   ► where I am but the women kind of took it

00:08:02 ◼   ► over it was a very vocal audience but

00:08:06 ◼   ► sort of in the best way possible there

00:08:09 ◼   ► was a lot of cheering for the fanservice

00:08:13 ◼   ► we had with a lovely scene with Chris

00:08:15 ◼   ► Pine and we'll talk later

00:08:19 ◼   ► we talked more about it later but it was

00:08:21 ◼   ► very vocally appreciated by the women in

00:08:24 ◼   ► my audience fans and watches so many

00:08:28 ◼   ► fans of watches in that theater and

00:08:31 ◼   ► everyone was just powered up like every

00:08:34 ◼   ► single fight scene every single amazing

00:08:37 ◼   ► moment from Wonder Woman you could just

00:08:40 ◼   ► hear the appreciation in the audience

00:08:42 ◼   ► just everyone absolutely losing it so I

00:08:45 ◼   ► was really excited you know I think

00:08:47 ◼   ► we've had a lot of women in superhero

00:08:50 ◼   ► movies this is the first time I felt

00:08:52 ◼   ► that this was a very focused female

00:08:58 ◼   ► superhero movie that was really designed

00:09:01 ◼   ► to empower women

00:09:03 ◼   ► and make them feel really like the stars

00:09:05 ◼   ► of this you know we've talked a little

00:09:07 ◼   ► bit but like he always feels like the

00:09:09 ◼   ► second fiddle guy sort of comes in and

00:09:11 ◼   ► takes a lot of the space in these movies

00:09:15 ◼   ► but the journey was entirely about

00:09:17 ◼   ► Wonder Woman and I just came out of

00:09:20 ◼   ► there feeling absolutely fired up and

00:09:22 ◼   ► amazing it was so exciting and I loved

00:09:24 ◼   ► it mm-hmm

00:09:25 ◼   ► I was kind of amazed actually that our

00:09:27 ◼   ► guy I went to an independent theater -

00:09:29 ◼   ► not crowded it was kind of a weird time

00:09:32 ◼   ► from time of day but it was it was a

00:09:34 ◼   ► fairly gender balanced group but there

00:09:37 ◼   ► were a lot of little girls and as the

00:09:39 ◼   ► movie went on they got louder and louder

00:09:40 ◼   ► and louder and just a happier and

00:09:42 ◼   ► cheering and clapping and everybody

00:09:45 ◼   ► clapped at the end of the movie it's not

00:09:48 ◼   ► often I've been in a theater here in

00:09:49 ◼   ► Indiana where that happens so well

00:09:53 ◼   ► Steven I know you saw this once with me

00:09:55 ◼   ► and I don't think either one of us

00:09:57 ◼   ► really knew anything about it going in

00:09:59 ◼   ► did you I the only thing I knew about

00:10:02 ◼   ► Wonder Woman is Lynda Carter because

00:10:04 ◼   ► used to watch Wonder Woman when I was

00:10:05 ◼   ► five or six and I had such a crush on

00:10:07 ◼   ► her years before I knew why I should

00:10:10 ◼   ► have a crush on her you're Canadian me

00:10:14 ◼   ► and then the then I've played Lego

00:10:17 ◼   ► dimensions where the Wonder Woman is a

00:10:19 ◼   ► character this is so I and then there

00:10:22 ◼   ► was this movie Andy and you told me

00:10:23 ◼   ► Erica that we're going to this movie

00:10:25 ◼   ► because you know it's important that we

00:10:26 ◼   ► support this with the dolls I said sir

00:10:27 ◼   ► absolutely let's watch it I had never

00:10:29 ◼   ► seen a DC movie before of the current DC

00:10:32 ◼   ► EU so already it's the best DC movie

00:10:38 ◼   ► that I've seen uh technically it's also

00:10:41 ◼   ► the worst though I suppose it is but if

00:10:43 ◼   ► it was on the Marvel Universe B of which

00:10:46 ◼   ► I've seen every single one this would be

00:10:49 ◼   ► the best Marvel movie I think I just

00:10:50 ◼   ► need to um it was really really good I

00:10:55 ◼   ► think by about twenty or twenty five

00:10:56 ◼   ► minutes and I was hooked

00:10:58 ◼   ► um and and I I just adored that film

00:11:02 ◼   ► tube it's possibly the most out of the

00:11:05 ◼   ► three of us you me and our friend

00:11:07 ◼   ► Annette which kind of surprised me I

00:11:09 ◼   ► thought you were both really full-on on

00:11:10 ◼   ► board with this as much as I was but I

00:11:12 ◼   ► think um my level of enthusiasm talked

00:11:15 ◼   ► to yours

00:11:15 ◼   ► we walked out of the theater and Annette

00:11:17 ◼   ► and I were kind of nodding like yeah I

00:11:19 ◼   ► was those all right and Steven was like

00:11:21 ◼   ► he had stars in his eyes and he was

00:11:22 ◼   ► floating through the party so well Chris

00:11:25 ◼   ► Pine is a handsome man it'd be a fair

00:11:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah this is this is the first

00:11:32 ◼   ► female superhero starring film since

00:11:34 ◼   ► well I mean I guess technically we had

00:11:36 ◼   ► Electra

00:11:37 ◼   ► but I was going to say Supergirl 1984 um

00:11:40 ◼   ► so this is this is this was a big deal

00:11:43 ◼   ► from even before like the moment that it

00:11:47 ◼   ► got greenlit and not only is it

00:11:49 ◼   ► starring gal gadot a whose name I have

00:11:52 ◼   ► been pronouncing wrong a lot so I

00:11:54 ◼   ► apologize and I didn't run that on

00:11:56 ◼   ► purpose but it's also directed by a

00:11:59 ◼   ► woman which i think is kind of an

00:12:00 ◼   ► interesting thing so we've got some

00:12:03 ◼   ► double standards that have been that

00:12:05 ◼   ► it's been sort of subjected to even

00:12:08 ◼   ► before it hit the theaters and even

00:12:10 ◼   ► before anybody anybody saw it

00:12:11 ◼   ► I mean you you'd be surprised by some of

00:12:15 ◼   ► the reviews you know there's a lot of

00:12:18 ◼   ► positive reviews and certainly the movie

00:12:22 ◼   ► has made enough money that I don't think

00:12:24 ◼   ► anybody is seriously going to say that

00:12:26 ◼   ► this wasn't successful but there's

00:12:28 ◼   ► already people attributing the success

00:12:30 ◼   ► of the movie to Zack Snyder there are

00:12:33 ◼   ► people saying that Jenkins is being

00:12:35 ◼   ► hired as a sort of political correctness

00:12:37 ◼   ► nod and that they can't attribute the

00:12:40 ◼   ► success of the movie to her so I'm sorry

00:12:43 ◼   ► no no no the feel of the movie is

00:12:47 ◼   ► obviously obviously a woman's viewpoint

00:12:50 ◼   ► year was not a single shot in those

00:12:53 ◼   ► fight scenes of deliberate let's get a

00:12:56 ◼   ► close-up of her boobs let's get a

00:12:58 ◼   ► close-up you know of this part of her

00:13:00 ◼   ► body the warriors the Amazons fought

00:13:04 ◼   ► like warriors fought just you know there

00:13:07 ◼   ► was no titillation there was nothing

00:13:09 ◼   ► about those fight scenes designed to say

00:13:11 ◼   ► lookie here look at the girls yeah and

00:13:15 ◼   ► you know it it takes so long for that to

00:13:18 ◼   ► sink in because we are so used to how

00:13:21 ◼   ► you know it goes back to comics how a

00:13:23 ◼   ► lot of male artists draw women in comics

00:13:26 ◼   ► that's been transferred a good deal too

00:13:29 ◼   ► the movie universe to the Marvel movies

00:13:31 ◼   ► of you know showing off the pretty

00:13:35 ◼   ► woman's figure instead of showing off

00:13:37 ◼   ► that she can kick ass it's going to be

00:13:39 ◼   ► the the top grossing movie this weekend

00:13:41 ◼   ► I'm really excited about that because

00:13:42 ◼   ► that is math that's that's an objective

00:13:45 ◼   ► thing that's not something like oh

00:13:47 ◼   ► you're just saying you like it because

00:13:49 ◼   ► because you're a girl or it gives you

00:13:52 ◼   ► like her because this or because that

00:13:53 ◼   ► like you can't dismiss math math is not

00:13:56 ◼   ► math was not subject to I don't know in

00:13:58 ◼   ► this society we can try want to but this

00:14:03 ◼   ► is one of the few things where like you

00:14:04 ◼   ► can't just chalk this up to me myself

00:14:07 ◼   ► going well I really liked it well yeah

00:14:09 ◼   ► but there's no but I'm not alone here

00:14:11 ◼   ► right this is not a cult movie this is

00:14:14 ◼   ► not a movie that lives underground and

00:14:15 ◼   ► gets rediscovered 20 years later this is

00:14:17 ◼   ► a hit out of the box yeah and it's all

00:14:20 ◼   ► the one cautionary the one cautionary

00:14:22 ◼   ► thing I'll say is that not to bring

00:14:25 ◼   ► anybody down but just to fire you up for

00:14:27 ◼   ► the next battles that need to be fought

00:14:28 ◼   ► if that Hollywood sort of has a history

00:14:30 ◼   ► of taking movies that were successfully

00:14:33 ◼   ► directed by women on their first go and

00:14:36 ◼   ► giving subsequent movies to male

00:14:38 ◼   ► directors this happened with Twilight

00:14:41 ◼   ► even though you know shattered records

00:14:43 ◼   ► for the time raised a ton of money and

00:14:46 ◼   ► was seen you know generally as the

00:14:49 ◼   ► success subsequent movies getting passed

00:14:51 ◼   ► on to male directors and the female

00:14:54 ◼   ► director getting quite a bit of negative

00:14:57 ◼   ► press related to that of saying that you

00:15:00 ◼   ► know just couldn't work with them moving

00:15:02 ◼   ► forward so keep fighting so that patty

00:15:05 ◼   ► Jenkins can direct everything yeah

00:15:07 ◼   ► whatever comes next after Justice League

00:15:09 ◼   ► like you know we get the November

00:15:10 ◼   ► Justice League and then she directs the

00:15:11 ◼   ► next one yeah that's like I will will

00:15:14 ◼   ► get to my Zack Snyder issue later I have

00:15:17 ◼   ► a Syracuse's statement on Zack Snyder

00:15:19 ◼   ► but but the things that I loved in this

00:15:22 ◼   ► movie were clearly all patty Jenkins and

00:15:25 ◼   ► all filtered to that sensibility and I

00:15:29 ◼   ► have a friend who she doesn't she's not

00:15:32 ◼   ► a big movie person she's really not a

00:15:34 ◼   ► big superhero movie person and I said

00:15:37 ◼   ► you know you might enjoy this partly

00:15:40 ◼   ► because I mean the superior stuff is

00:15:42 ◼   ► superhero it's great

00:15:42 ◼   ► fine it's the human stuff and it's there

00:15:46 ◼   ► is a believability and plausibility in

00:15:49 ◼   ► everything about the human characters

00:15:51 ◼   ► and then in Diana's discovering the

00:15:54 ◼   ► human world that you don't get in a lot

00:15:57 ◼   ► of superhero movies and I mean just the

00:16:00 ◼   ► range of types of characters that

00:16:03 ◼   ► surround her in this movie when have we

00:16:05 ◼   ► seen that in a superhero movie it's it's

00:16:08 ◼   ► really lovely and then there's then

00:16:11 ◼   ► there's a little bit that's Zack Snyder

00:16:12 ◼   ► II so what she does a great job at the

00:16:15 ◼   ► the action sequence it's usually a

00:16:17 ◼   ► sequences in comic book movies bore me

00:16:20 ◼   ► to tears because they usually have an

00:16:23 ◼   ► inevitable outcome which is usually

00:16:25 ◼   ► nobody wins or nobody loses and they're

00:16:28 ◼   ► just you know smashing parked cars for a

00:16:30 ◼   ► few minutes before before it ends here

00:16:33 ◼   ► there's almost like a billeted style to

00:16:35 ◼   ► it where they just sort of slows down

00:16:37 ◼   ► sort of hover in midair we focus on a

00:16:39 ◼   ► move a little bit and then BOOM returns

00:16:41 ◼   ► to like normal speed again like it never

00:16:43 ◼   ► felt dizzying or disorientating or

00:16:46 ◼   ► boring in any way there was always just

00:16:49 ◼   ► enough of those little moves put into

00:16:50 ◼   ► fight scene so that always just was

00:16:52 ◼   ► super interesting and fun to watch with

00:16:55 ◼   ► there are moments in there that almost

00:16:57 ◼   ► look like Alex Ross paintings come to

00:17:00 ◼   ► life which comparison if you don't know

00:17:03 ◼   ► Alex Ross go look him up you know you've

00:17:06 ◼   ► seen his stuff he does all the covers

00:17:08 ◼   ► for aster city he did Kingdom Come and

00:17:10 ◼   ► and it's amazing to me that they managed

00:17:14 ◼   ► to get that look in that style in a lot

00:17:17 ◼   ► of the fight sequences of this and a lot

00:17:18 ◼   ► of the sort of slowed down almost glory

00:17:22 ◼   ► shots right yeah sure I gorgeous I think

00:17:26 ◼   ► another important thing is your rights

00:17:28 ◼   ► even they had consequences it's not just

00:17:30 ◼   ► bashing up cars for five minutes and

00:17:33 ◼   ► then we move on every fight scene had

00:17:35 ◼   ► consequences and they showed the true

00:17:38 ◼   ► sort of human horror of all the

00:17:40 ◼   ► destruction that they're going through I

00:17:41 ◼   ► think my big problem with Marvel movies

00:17:43 ◼   ► lately has it's been you know one big

00:17:46 ◼   ► city destruction after another and you

00:17:49 ◼   ► just sort of move on and there hasn't

00:17:51 ◼   ► been a lot of focus on the horror that

00:17:54 ◼   ► they must be witnessing there

00:17:56 ◼   ► and Wonder Woman wasn't afraid of that

00:17:57 ◼   ► it didn't shy away from that it really

00:18:00 ◼   ► focused in on that horrific element to

00:18:02 ◼   ► every single fight scene which is in

00:18:05 ◼   ► keeping with the tone of the movie you

00:18:07 ◼   ► know setting it during World War one and

00:18:09 ◼   ► having the whole reason for Diana to

00:18:11 ◼   ► emerge from Fennessy era to try and stop

00:18:15 ◼   ► this huge horrific war that they didn't

00:18:18 ◼   ► they didn't sugarcoat it that was the

00:18:20 ◼   ► thing that I really noticed in this was

00:18:22 ◼   ► aftermath there's there's a fair amount

00:18:24 ◼   ► of like aftermath and consequence that's

00:18:26 ◼   ► very visible and very upfront which I

00:18:28 ◼   ► thought was impressive but the thing I

00:18:29 ◼   ► liked about the fight scenes was they

00:18:32 ◼   ► were longer shots yes yes usually I end

00:18:35 ◼   ► up checking out of fight scenes because

00:18:36 ◼   ► you're showing me a fraction of a second

00:18:38 ◼   ► and then a new angle or a new place

00:18:40 ◼   ► where fighting is happening and then you

00:18:42 ◼   ► come back and Herc and jerk and like I

00:18:44 ◼   ► have a TD and I can't keep up and so I

00:18:46 ◼   ► end up just sort of letting it go by and

00:18:49 ◼   ► not really paying attention until the

00:18:50 ◼   ► fighting stops and there's no

00:18:52 ◼   ► consequences so we just go back to

00:18:53 ◼   ► whatever story is happening so I really

00:18:55 ◼   ► liked the the speed manipulation and I

00:18:58 ◼   ► also liked getting to actually see what

00:19:02 ◼   ► was going on and understand what was

00:19:03 ◼   ► going on and then see and understand

00:19:06 ◼   ► those consequences afterwards like

00:19:07 ◼   ► altogether it was much more impactful to

00:19:09 ◼   ► watch the fighting in this film than in

00:19:11 ◼   ► a lot of others it's it's the same

00:19:13 ◼   ► reason Fred Astaire insisted on

00:19:15 ◼   ► full-frame long shot take camera takes

00:19:19 ◼   ► for all the dance sequences in his films

00:19:21 ◼   ► because you need to see the whole thing

00:19:23 ◼   ► it's not elements right you don't get

00:19:27 ◼   ► anything from that you don't get

00:19:28 ◼   ► anything from quick cuts you need to see

00:19:30 ◼   ► the whole performance and and in your

00:19:32 ◼   ► brain realize what went into making that

00:19:34 ◼   ► right yeah and it's a problem with a lot

00:19:37 ◼   ► of superhero movies these days and just

00:19:38 ◼   ► a lot of action movies these days is

00:19:40 ◼   ► that it's so much quick cutting and

00:19:42 ◼   ► there's no you you you don't have to be

00:19:44 ◼   ► decent at this to be able to pull that

00:19:47 ◼   ► off right yeah you can mask a lot with

00:19:50 ◼   ► with a lot of quick cutting and I tend

00:19:52 ◼   ► to be the first person to say that

00:19:53 ◼   ► action sequences are boring of any kind

00:19:56 ◼   ► yes and yet honestly I think they were

00:19:58 ◼   ► my favorite parts of the film and I mean

00:20:00 ◼   ► I kind of walked out going you know I

00:20:02 ◼   ► wonder if all of the other superhero

00:20:04 ◼   ► films like had all of the dude heroes

00:20:07 ◼   ► with long flowing hair and

00:20:08 ◼   ► skirts and super kicky boots if I would

00:20:12 ◼   ► appreciate them a little more and that

00:20:14 ◼   ► might help but I do think that it was

00:20:16 ◼   ► the the framing and the the sense of

00:20:18 ◼   ► place that you have in in each one of

00:20:20 ◼   ► the action sequences that made me more

00:20:22 ◼   ► rooted in it so before we before we talk

00:20:25 ◼   ► more about the consequences of the

00:20:27 ◼   ► action sequences we should probably blow

00:20:29 ◼   ► the spoiler horn but before that is

00:20:30 ◼   ► there anything else that anybody wants

00:20:31 ◼   ► to say is sort of an opening statement

00:20:33 ◼   ► type of a thing quick shout out you know

00:20:36 ◼   ► we've mentioned here and there the

00:20:37 ◼   ► acting but I think gal gadot and Chris

00:20:40 ◼   ► Pine Kelly earlier mentioned balance and

00:20:44 ◼   ► I think that's just such a key element

00:20:46 ◼   ► in the writing and the performances that

00:20:49 ◼   ► the actors brought to the roles because

00:20:51 ◼   ► you have this amazing balance of things

00:20:54 ◼   ► that make up Wonder Woman you've got all

00:20:56 ◼   ► of this education and wisdom from

00:20:58 ◼   ► centuries of growing up with the Amazons

00:21:00 ◼   ► and you smash that against her total

00:21:02 ◼   ► ignorance of the rest of the outside

00:21:04 ◼   ► world and just the her innocence and the

00:21:06 ◼   ► delight she takes in so many things that

00:21:09 ◼   ► she sees compared to you know the things

00:21:11 ◼   ► that bother her or you know are horrify

00:21:14 ◼   ► her and meet Chris Pine that this Steve

00:21:16 ◼   ► Trevor I love this Steve Trevor

00:21:18 ◼   ► um again not taking over the movie he is

00:21:23 ◼   ► just enough of a flirt um he is smart

00:21:28 ◼   ► he is capable he's not played to be some

00:21:31 ◼   ► doofy sidekick that it drags her down

00:21:34 ◼   ► they wind up making a really good team

00:21:36 ◼   ► together and it all just balances so

00:21:39 ◼   ► very well hey everybody it's Jason I'm

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00:23:13 ◼   ► it go

00:23:18 ◼   ► okay so I know that quite often when we

00:23:22 ◼   ► talk about movies on this podcast Jason

00:23:24 ◼   ► sort of takes us through them

00:23:25 ◼   ► sequentially after only one viewing for

00:23:28 ◼   ► some of us that's going to be a tough

00:23:29 ◼   ► thing to do but I do think that we've we

00:23:32 ◼   ► should start with with kind of the

00:23:33 ◼   ► framing element we have the the very

00:23:36 ◼   ► beginning the very end of the movie

00:23:37 ◼   ► which I assume is sort of set and around

00:23:40 ◼   ► the same time as the Man of Steel and um

00:23:43 ◼   ► Batman versus other film doesn't exist

00:23:46 ◼   ► those those I thought it was slightly

00:23:48 ◼   ► after the film we dare not speak its

00:23:50 ◼   ► name

00:23:50 ◼   ► mm-hmm yeah that one and we do have that

00:23:54 ◼   ► which I didn't understand what it was

00:23:56 ◼   ► and I didn't know that if it was if it

00:23:58 ◼   ► was following on to a conversation since

00:24:00 ◼   ► I didn't see that movie that we don't

00:24:02 ◼   ► want a name but she gets this really

00:24:04 ◼   ► cool picture which later on at the end

00:24:06 ◼   ► of the movie we find out that it's her

00:24:08 ◼   ► and and all of her buddies from World

00:24:10 ◼   ► War one which was kind of a I thought

00:24:13 ◼   ► that was a nice frame II touch to sort

00:24:15 ◼   ► of ground it in the world of the DC

00:24:17 ◼   ► movies that exist now in a way that

00:24:20 ◼   ► absolutely makes no difference to the

00:24:22 ◼   ► story that's being told in this film

00:24:24 ◼   ► right right yeah basically I went

00:24:26 ◼   ► looking YouTube very handily has a few

00:24:30 ◼   ► compilations of just the Wonder Woman

00:24:32 ◼   ► minutes from that movie so you know

00:24:35 ◼   ► that's all I needed

00:24:35 ◼   ► that's all I needed but yes apparently

00:24:38 ◼   ► Lex Luthor had found this photo and

00:24:42 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne managed to get a copy of it

00:24:44 ◼   ► and then you know sends it sends it to

00:24:46 ◼   ► her to say you know found this why here

00:24:49 ◼   ► the story sometime and as you said it's

00:24:51 ◼   ► a really neat little framing device for

00:24:53 ◼   ► the people who are in into comics and

00:24:56 ◼   ► into the DC world and it does not

00:24:58 ◼   ► distract the people who aren't sure

00:25:00 ◼   ► what's going on I I was ok with the

00:25:03 ◼   ► photograph and everything else about the

00:25:06 ◼   ► sequence was like shut up and start my

00:25:08 ◼   ► movie I don't I don't give it I don't

00:25:11 ◼   ► give a flying something about any of

00:25:13 ◼   ► this cake uh because yeah and flying

00:25:18 ◼   ► dropkick yeah it was short enough for me

00:25:21 ◼   ► it was short enough not said it was

00:25:22 ◼   ► short it got it got out of the way I

00:25:24 ◼   ► didn't I didn't need any of the

00:25:26 ◼   ► narration you know that was extraneous I

00:25:28 ◼   ► was okay with it I knew nothing

00:25:31 ◼   ► you know of this universe going and so

00:25:33 ◼   ► someone going into this this movie on

00:25:36 ◼   ► this universe I was perfectly okay with

00:25:39 ◼   ► the amount spent on the sort of the

00:25:42 ◼   ► prologue and then the the origin story

00:25:45 ◼   ► aspect of it I thought that was right

00:25:47 ◼   ► nicely patient you know they they kind

00:25:50 ◼   ► of had to do it because they've already

00:25:52 ◼   ► set her in our present day so there had

00:25:55 ◼   ► to be some kind of explanation and some

00:25:57 ◼   ► kind of setup in there yeah I get it I

00:25:59 ◼   ► get it I just don't think any of the

00:26:01 ◼   ► other movies exist so one of the things

00:26:05 ◼   ► I liked about how they did that with the

00:26:06 ◼   ► with the case was a Wayne industries

00:26:10 ◼   ► travel that's all yeah yeah great even

00:26:13 ◼   ► if you don't know about that film um you

00:26:17 ◼   ► still know like we've seen this other

00:26:19 ◼   ► ones that Batman and then like you can

00:26:22 ◼   ► kind of like you can kind of put

00:26:23 ◼   ► together like oh that's right like she's

00:26:25 ◼   ► not she doesn't run with the avengers

00:26:28 ◼   ► she runs with like Batman in them so

00:26:30 ◼   ► like I felt like it was a nice way to

00:26:32 ◼   ► set it up because even people who don't

00:26:34 ◼   ► necessarily know about the other movies

00:26:36 ◼   ► would still be able to be like oh that's

00:26:39 ◼   ► Batman and like know that I thought that

00:26:41 ◼   ► that was really nice and I don't know

00:26:43 ◼   ► about the rest of you the last trailer

00:26:45 ◼   ► before our showing was Justice League so

00:26:48 ◼   ► it so it was sort of a little bit of Yap

00:26:51 ◼   ► teaser to that it was kind of funny

00:26:53 ◼   ► because I felt like I was watching the

00:26:55 ◼   ► trailer for the sequel before I've

00:26:56 ◼   ► watched the movie that I'm there to see

00:26:58 ◼   ► in the first place

00:26:59 ◼   ► right and I and I again I much rather

00:27:02 ◼   ► wanted to see the movie I was there to

00:27:03 ◼   ► see but I was very curious you know what

00:27:05 ◼   ► was in the case like what could Batman

00:27:07 ◼   ► be sending her like I don't know to me

00:27:09 ◼   ► it was it was sort of interesting to

00:27:11 ◼   ► figure out like what that was going to

00:27:13 ◼   ► be so I was I was interested in that

00:27:15 ◼   ► first bit but when I first started

00:27:17 ◼   ► hearing the narration I sort of thought

00:27:18 ◼   ► like is this going to start like Lord of

00:27:21 ◼   ► the Rings where we have to spend five

00:27:22 ◼   ► minutes listening to a disembodied voice

00:27:24 ◼   ► tell me what's what before we get in

00:27:25 ◼   ► because like I don't know how much of

00:27:27 ◼   ► this I need to know and then the armored

00:27:29 ◼   ► truck rolled up and then I was sort of

00:27:30 ◼   ► interested like what is Wayne industries

00:27:33 ◼   ► doing you know and so for me it was a

00:27:36 ◼   ► little bit different so I was at like my

00:27:38 ◼   ► moment of dread was probably much

00:27:40 ◼   ► shorter than shorter than your statement

00:27:43 ◼   ► and I have the the thing with the

00:27:44 ◼   ► narration was it's like okay well who

00:27:46 ◼   ► this is one of the things I learned when

00:27:48 ◼   ► I started writing one-person shows who

00:27:51 ◼   ► is the person talking to and at the end

00:27:53 ◼   ► we find out that none of that narration

00:27:55 ◼   ► is in the email to Bruce so who is she

00:27:58 ◼   ► talking to we don't that was just hurt I

00:28:01 ◼   ► thought that was just sort of her inner

00:28:02 ◼   ► monologue her her sort of I mean it

00:28:05 ◼   ► could be it just didn't connect to

00:28:07 ◼   ► anything I think you could do that

00:28:09 ◼   ► without any narration whatsoever it

00:28:11 ◼   ► would still work it would actually work

00:28:13 ◼   ► better I think hmm maybe well let's

00:28:15 ◼   ► let's jump into the to the mascara and

00:28:18 ◼   ► her her life with the Amazons it starts

00:28:20 ◼   ► off with an adorable adorable child oh

00:28:23 ◼   ► yes my god is very low sotius little

00:28:26 ◼   ► diana who really really wants to fight

00:28:28 ◼   ► and as soon as she starts peeking over

00:28:31 ◼   ► the wall and and sees her her aunt

00:28:35 ◼   ► played by robin wright as a entire I did

00:28:39 ◼   ► not recognize I'm still talking myself

00:28:41 ◼   ► that I did not right and I recognized

00:28:44 ◼   ► her right away and was just like I'm

00:28:46 ◼   ► right cuz I didn't know she was going to

00:28:47 ◼   ► be in this I was like she's in this and

00:28:48 ◼   ► then not only was she in it but she was

00:28:50 ◼   ► playing an older woman with you know by

00:28:53 ◼   ► scars and wrinkles and you know like

00:28:56 ◼   ► somewhat you know flabby arms a little

00:28:58 ◼   ► bit edge not very not very but she

00:29:02 ◼   ► looked like an older woman who was

00:29:03 ◼   ► absolutely kicking asked just and no

00:29:06 ◼   ► question all of it mmm-hmm all of it

00:29:09 ◼   ► yeah yeah the casting of the Amazons in

00:29:11 ◼   ► general there were star athletes hidden

00:29:14 ◼   ► among the like there's a prize-winning

00:29:16 ◼   ► boxer in there all of these women again

00:29:21 ◼   ► female director directing women warriors

00:29:25 ◼   ► not women just dressed up in cute

00:29:28 ◼   ► leather armor and standing around

00:29:30 ◼   ► imposing right and when I think of like

00:29:32 ◼   ► all of the fighting that happens like

00:29:34 ◼   ► one of the moments I think of as Robin

00:29:36 ◼   ► Wright when she flips through the air

00:29:38 ◼   ► and shoots the three arrows at once oh

00:29:40 ◼   ► like that is so ha every time remember

00:29:45 ◼   ► I've seen it three times and every time

00:29:47 ◼   ► like Brett like it was breathtaking

00:29:49 ◼   ► every time and that's why that's one of

00:29:52 ◼   ► those super standout moments is cuz like

00:29:54 ◼   ► even when like I know I I know

00:29:56 ◼   ► what's coming and I know what's coming

00:29:59 ◼   ► because now seeing it twice before still

00:30:01 ◼   ► like huh every time when like launched

00:30:04 ◼   ► up into the air and it's just amazing

00:30:06 ◼   ► and watching that was I know it was a

00:30:08 ◼   ► little bit 3d service but at the same

00:30:10 ◼   ► time holy Wow it's just one of the like

00:30:14 ◼   ► iconic when I think of like the the

00:30:16 ◼   ► still frames from this movie that's one

00:30:18 ◼   ► of the first ones that comes to mind I

00:30:20 ◼   ► think one of the things that really

00:30:22 ◼   ► struck me about this was sort of the

00:30:25 ◼   ► diversity in the background right you

00:30:27 ◼   ► know they really work should bring in

00:30:31 ◼   ► various different types of women from

00:30:33 ◼   ► all races and ethnicities and while I'll

00:30:37 ◼   ► be the first to say I loved the Warriors

00:30:39 ◼   ► to pieces they also show they also

00:30:42 ◼   ► showed a fuller richer the mascara you

00:30:44 ◼   ► know you had senators you had teachers

00:30:46 ◼   ► you had academics you had this whole

00:30:49 ◼   ► society that was there that women were

00:30:52 ◼   ► active in all parts of it of course

00:30:55 ◼   ► because there's only women but how often

00:30:57 ◼   ► do you get to see that sort of ancient

00:30:59 ◼   ► Greek style society where women are in

00:31:03 ◼   ► all of those roles and you're not seeing

00:31:05 ◼   ► you know old white men with big long

00:31:08 ◼   ► beards taking on all of those positions

00:31:10 ◼   ► so that to me was just amazing that they

00:31:14 ◼   ► made it so rich and we took the time to

00:31:17 ◼   ► fully develop this world that they were

00:31:20 ◼   ► living in I was actually surprised at

00:31:22 ◼   ► how much of the movie took place there I

00:31:25 ◼   ► yes yeah I mean because they think it's

00:31:27 ◼   ► not like I showed her entire youth and

00:31:30 ◼   ► on all of her growing up but they gave

00:31:31 ◼   ► you quite a grounding and who this

00:31:32 ◼   ► person was from from a child who is you

00:31:36 ◼   ► know really interested in fighting to a

00:31:37 ◼   ► teenager to the woman that we eventually

00:31:40 ◼   ► see absolutely kicking butt you know

00:31:43 ◼   ► better than anybody else and you know I

00:31:45 ◼   ► liked that they just sort of dribbled

00:31:47 ◼   ► out hints about what her actual history

00:31:50 ◼   ► was and we sort of you know for those of

00:31:52 ◼   ► us who didn't already know discovered it

00:31:54 ◼   ► along with her and I recognized that the

00:31:57 ◼   ► comic books have had multiple different

00:31:59 ◼   ► versions of her origin story depending

00:32:02 ◼   ► on where you are in the comic book canon

00:32:04 ◼   ► but I liked that the way that that it

00:32:07 ◼   ► was sort of dribbled out before we even

00:32:09 ◼   ► get the plane crash

00:32:10 ◼   ► and and before things start start

00:32:13 ◼   ► happening on the island it was it was a

00:32:15 ◼   ► very smart way of starting a very

00:32:17 ◼   ► meditative contemplative you kind of got

00:32:21 ◼   ► into the life of the island which was a

00:32:25 ◼   ► lovely way to establish everything and

00:32:27 ◼   ► and I think this was a very good is this

00:32:30 ◼   ► might be my favorite version of the

00:32:32 ◼   ► origin it just kind of makes sense to me

00:32:36 ◼   ► the way some of them did not yeah that's

00:32:38 ◼   ► I'm very very relieved that they did not

00:32:42 ◼   ► go the route of Diana entering this

00:32:44 ◼   ► competition to see who would win the

00:32:47 ◼   ► right to take Steve back and masking

00:32:48 ◼   ► herself

00:32:49 ◼   ► and because her mother forbade her to

00:32:51 ◼   ► you know they went to it more directly

00:32:53 ◼   ► you know her mother saying look you

00:32:55 ◼   ► can't do this

00:32:56 ◼   ► and Diana basically turning around and

00:32:59 ◼   ► saying well yes I'm going to try so yeah

00:33:03 ◼   ► I love how they handled the decision for

00:33:07 ◼   ► her to go out and take take Steve Trevor

00:33:10 ◼   ► back to the real world yeah she had to

00:33:12 ◼   ► Shannon she had agency throughout the

00:33:14 ◼   ► whole first part you know she was doing

00:33:17 ◼   ► what she wanted to do which was nice

00:33:18 ◼   ► she wasn't sort of pushed into it or

00:33:20 ◼   ► like forced into it that was her choice

00:33:22 ◼   ► and I loved how her mother and the

00:33:25 ◼   ► leader of the of the the colony or

00:33:28 ◼   ► whatever attended the was it called the

00:33:29 ◼   ► island the the island of the Amazon the

00:33:32 ◼   ► island Amazon's was was you know sad and

00:33:35 ◼   ► that she was going but knew that she

00:33:37 ◼   ► couldn't stop her I really like that

00:33:39 ◼   ► aspect of it

00:33:40 ◼   ► mm-hmm yeah and I think that it was

00:33:42 ◼   ► important to establish the place that

00:33:45 ◼   ► she came from and the person that she

00:33:47 ◼   ► was before leaving because so much of

00:33:50 ◼   ► the rest of the movie is about how she

00:33:52 ◼   ► deals with the world outside of her

00:33:54 ◼   ► Island and if you didn't have a good

00:33:56 ◼   ► grounding in that it wouldn't it

00:33:59 ◼   ► wouldn't play out quite as well so the

00:34:01 ◼   ► moment that you see this airplane fly

00:34:03 ◼   ► through and crash I mean that's kind of

00:34:06 ◼   ► a an almost jarring moment because I had

00:34:08 ◼   ► sort of been lulled into a sense of this

00:34:10 ◼   ► place so well that I was like huh

00:34:12 ◼   ► yeah this is this is nice I I like the

00:34:15 ◼   ► blue skies and the and then the first

00:34:16 ◼   ► time they cut to the outside and you see

00:34:19 ◼   ► like with the boats out there and I was

00:34:21 ◼   ► just it was incredibly jarring

00:34:23 ◼   ► we charring which I guess it was for her

00:34:25 ◼   ► to because she never she never seen a

00:34:27 ◼   ► man before yeah one thing I did like

00:34:30 ◼   ► about how they established the mascara

00:34:33 ◼   ► was that they leaned very very subtly

00:34:37 ◼   ► into sort of the queer themes of this

00:34:39 ◼   ► whole island ruck has been explicit in

00:34:43 ◼   ► his run that the mascara was going to be

00:34:45 ◼   ► a place without heteronormativity so

00:34:48 ◼   ► marriage wouldn't be called gay marriage

00:34:51 ◼   ► on an island full of women it's just

00:34:53 ◼   ► going to be marriage there was there was

00:34:56 ◼   ► one moment when Robin Wright is killed

00:34:58 ◼   ► where you have her mother and Diana

00:35:02 ◼   ► coming but there's also another random

00:35:05 ◼   ► unnamed woman who comes up and my first

00:35:08 ◼   ► thought when I saw that was wife that's

00:35:11 ◼   ► definitely got to be her wife mm-hmm and

00:35:14 ◼   ► uh there was also that really just

00:35:16 ◼   ► everything about the boat scene when

00:35:19 ◼   ► Diana and Steve was yeah excellent the

00:35:23 ◼   ► the whole line of men are necessary for

00:35:27 ◼   ► procreation but unnecessary for pleasure

00:35:30 ◼   ► that was the line where my audience

00:35:31 ◼   ► completely lost their like all the girls

00:35:34 ◼   ► were yelling one girl was like yeah girl

00:35:37 ◼   ► our theatre did the same thing I've got

00:35:41 ◼   ► a grin as about to split my face and

00:35:43 ◼   ► chips just sort of looking down I just

00:35:46 ◼   ► laughed yeah that's about right

00:35:49 ◼   ► I think I'm funny but still I love the

00:35:52 ◼   ► one review that was like confusingly she

00:35:55 ◼   ► says this it's like without even looking

00:35:58 ◼   ► I'm like oh that review was written by a

00:35:59 ◼   ► man yeah you like by the Hat I do ever

00:36:03 ◼   ► reviewed it for the Guardian jeepers

00:36:06 ◼   ► oh yeah saw that go by and it was really

00:36:09 ◼   ► awful one of the thing that might be my

00:36:10 ◼   ► favorite images cuz it made me laugh the

00:36:12 ◼   ► most this isn't true but it was one of

00:36:15 ◼   ► the ones that mention something that we

00:36:16 ◼   ► mentioned earlier is a good thing which

00:36:18 ◼   ► was they didn't shoot her all sexy like

00:36:21 ◼   ► at any point and not one of the like

00:36:24 ◼   ► things against it in this review which

00:36:26 ◼   ► should tell all you need to know about

00:36:27 ◼   ► the survey

00:36:29 ◼   ► her for drools or something I don't

00:36:32 ◼   ► remember exactly what the phrase was but

00:36:33 ◼   ► hey it was grammatically awful B it was

00:36:37 ◼   ► an awful image to try to put in

00:36:39 ◼   ► someone's head and see this movie didn't

00:36:41 ◼   ► need that unless you're going to start

00:36:43 ◼   ► doing that to Thor so yeah yeah I think

00:36:47 ◼   ► I think that review like referred to

00:36:49 ◼   ► like it ignored the SNM origins of the

00:36:51 ◼   ► comic or something bla bla bla like so

00:36:54 ◼   ► have most following versions of the

00:36:57 ◼   ► comment exactly and I gotta say there is

00:37:01 ◼   ► no way to shoot gal gadot poorly so I

00:37:05 ◼   ► mean what is his problem and do you want

00:37:08 ◼   ► proof of that she was five months

00:37:09 ◼   ► pregnant when they did some of the

00:37:11 ◼   ► reshoots and they green-screen to her

00:37:13 ◼   ► Tommy so that they could get the the

00:37:15 ◼   ► shots in so yeah think about that for a

00:37:18 ◼   ► minute some of what she was doing there

00:37:20 ◼   ► was more than halfway through a

00:37:21 ◼   ► pregnancy and she still yeah Wow Wow

00:37:26 ◼   ► well and and some of it was her fight

00:37:28 ◼   ► and double she's not actually the

00:37:31 ◼   ► greatest stage combat person but they

00:37:35 ◼   ► did a very good job of masking that I

00:37:37 ◼   ► believed it yeah yeah yeah it was

00:37:39 ◼   ► totally believable yeah I liked Alec

00:37:41 ◼   ► Guinness as obi-wan to and he wasn't the

00:37:43 ◼   ► best sword fighter he was great in this

00:37:49 ◼   ► before we leave the mascara which we

00:37:52 ◼   ► probably should before too long or this

00:37:53 ◼   ► podcast is going to be as long as the

00:37:55 ◼   ► movie and we don't want that we can't go

00:37:56 ◼   ► back yeah we we have to talk about the

00:38:01 ◼   ► the purple hot tub scene we've mentioned

00:38:04 ◼   ► to watch but I please let's talk about

00:38:07 ◼   ► that scene I think I think it is

00:38:09 ◼   ► important that you know we we mentioned

00:38:11 ◼   ► that we we haven't we didn't have shots

00:38:13 ◼   ► of gal gadot that were all like you know

00:38:15 ◼   ► cheesecake II and and we didn't we

00:38:17 ◼   ► really didn't have terribly cheese or

00:38:19 ◼   ► beef cakey I guess shots of Chris Pine

00:38:22 ◼   ► either but he was the one that was sort

00:38:25 ◼   ► of the most objectified spell oh yeah

00:38:28 ◼   ► it's certainly the most exposed how did

00:38:31 ◼   ► you how did your theaters react to that

00:38:32 ◼   ► I'm curious Oh ours how old are you

00:38:36 ◼   ► Larry Asst yes and lots of giggles um

00:38:39 ◼   ► and especially when because because it's

00:38:42 ◼   ► framed

00:38:43 ◼   ► very carefully in the beginning and then

00:38:45 ◼   ► when it goes to the full shot and you

00:38:46 ◼   ► could hear kind of gasps in the back of

00:38:48 ◼   ► the room going oh my god they did the

00:38:50 ◼   ► full shot yeah and and but you know and

00:38:54 ◼   ► again played it beautifully under played

00:38:57 ◼   ► you know it was just it was exactly the

00:38:59 ◼   ► right tone for it it was there were very

00:39:01 ◼   ► appreciative women and if you should

00:39:03 ◼   ► have met in my audience had the sale

00:39:06 ◼   ► yeah yep and even the you know that the

00:39:08 ◼   ► careful framing of her looking down and

00:39:11 ◼   ► you can't see what she's looking at and

00:39:13 ◼   ► saying what's that and of course we you

00:39:14 ◼   ► know mentioned the watch and and it's oh

00:39:16 ◼   ► whoa it's a it's a watch and and that's

00:39:19 ◼   ► that is sort of the first moment that

00:39:20 ◼   ► you get a little bit of of the adorable

00:39:24 ◼   ► sort of naivete I guess that's not

00:39:28 ◼   ► really the word that I want innocent yes

00:39:30 ◼   ► search for innocence about some of the

00:39:32 ◼   ► things that happen off of off of her

00:39:33 ◼   ► Island and you know you let this little

00:39:35 ◼   ► little thing tell you what to do and

00:39:37 ◼   ► when to do it and that was it was which

00:39:40 ◼   ► has another double meaning to you let

00:39:44 ◼   ► that little thing tell you what to do

00:39:47 ◼   ► yeah and I gotta say I am not at all

00:39:50 ◼   ► inclined to that way and even I kind of

00:39:52 ◼   ► went wow he's pretty he is in fact above

00:39:57 ◼   ► average what's the great me share that

00:40:01 ◼   ► mm-hmm

00:40:02 ◼   ► that got a great got a great laugh in

00:40:05 ◼   ► our in our theater as well that day yep

00:40:09 ◼   ► so of course she decides for herself

00:40:11 ◼   ► that the you know mom you can't tell me

00:40:14 ◼   ► what I do I do what I want I'm gonna go

00:40:16 ◼   ► and and decides to leave which and I I I

00:40:19 ◼   ► didn't know if she was just going to

00:40:23 ◼   ► sneak off and I was really glad that she

00:40:25 ◼   ► didn't because she got the goodbye scene

00:40:28 ◼   ► with you know all these people that she

00:40:30 ◼   ► is leaving behind forever and ever

00:40:33 ◼   ► yeah I actually have a question for you

00:40:35 ◼   ► guys about that because this is the

00:40:36 ◼   ► thing that I've wondered about and I'm

00:40:38 ◼   ► sort of taking this informal poll so mom

00:40:40 ◼   ► says uh you know that if you leave you

00:40:43 ◼   ► may never return now does she mean you

00:40:46 ◼   ► can't or does she mean it's possible you

00:40:50 ◼   ► won't because I couldn't really tell if

00:40:53 ◼   ► what she meant was your

00:40:55 ◼   ► check it out is one way or if she meant

00:40:57 ◼   ► it's possible that once you leave you

00:41:00 ◼   ► know you you may never be able to find

00:41:02 ◼   ► your way back here and I couldn't really

00:41:04 ◼   ► tell what she meant I took it as

00:41:06 ◼   ► possible yes I took it as possible yeah

00:41:09 ◼   ► that you might not come back

00:41:10 ◼   ► yeah and I thought so too because I

00:41:12 ◼   ► thought the I thought it was carefully

00:41:15 ◼   ► written to sort of leave that door open

00:41:17 ◼   ► and certainly the way the line was

00:41:18 ◼   ► delivered I thought I thought that there

00:41:20 ◼   ► was a bit of an emphasis on May so I

00:41:22 ◼   ► didn't think that meant that the door

00:41:24 ◼   ► was closed which makes me happy because

00:41:26 ◼   ► I would I mean honestly I would be happy

00:41:28 ◼   ► with an entire movie

00:41:29 ◼   ► I'm Thomas Kira I would have a I would

00:41:31 ◼   ► totally have a rogue one or yeah road

00:41:33 ◼   ► one style movie of of just stuff that

00:41:36 ◼   ► happens on the mascara like the the war

00:41:38 ◼   ► we heard about with the book mm-hmm yeah

00:41:40 ◼   ► you know like the book was a really nice

00:41:42 ◼   ► sequence which i think is probably not

00:41:44 ◼   ► going to get the attention it deserves

00:41:45 ◼   ► instantly yeah I think she probably

00:41:48 ◼   ► realized it at some point while Diana

00:41:51 ◼   ► was out in the real world so to speak

00:41:53 ◼   ► she would discover her true identity and

00:41:55 ◼   ► her true destiny and you know as a god

00:41:58 ◼   ► who would want to come back to you know

00:42:00 ◼   ► the cocoon again so to speak I think

00:42:03 ◼   ► there'd be a much greater world for her

00:42:05 ◼   ► out there and I loved her question who

00:42:07 ◼   ► would I be if I stayed right yes and it

00:42:10 ◼   ► might be metaphorical too you know right

00:42:12 ◼   ► the fact that she is a God you you may

00:42:14 ◼   ► never come back as and you may never

00:42:16 ◼   ► come back to this philosophy this world

00:42:19 ◼   ► as a metaphysical space its existence

00:42:22 ◼   ► exactly we can't go home again and and I

00:42:25 ◼   ► can't I can't imagine that they would

00:42:26 ◼   ► totally close the door or never

00:42:27 ◼   ► returning there as a plot device but it

00:42:31 ◼   ► it works either way it works if they

00:42:33 ◼   ► want to go back it works if they never

00:42:34 ◼   ► go back I mean it did seem kind of I was

00:42:37 ◼   ► interested that it that everybody from

00:42:40 ◼   ► the Army was just or the Navy I guess

00:42:42 ◼   ► was was able to just plow right in there

00:42:44 ◼   ► I assume that they were protected by

00:42:46 ◼   ► something but I guess they're just

00:42:47 ◼   ► disguised is that the case because who

00:42:49 ◼   ► else it's that that sort of a cloaking

00:42:52 ◼   ► device or you know the fog right yeah so

00:42:55 ◼   ► it seems like if she could find her way

00:42:57 ◼   ► back to that same location she might be

00:42:59 ◼   ► able to just warn her back in but but as

00:43:02 ◼   ► you said Steven you know she probably

00:43:04 ◼   ► won't won't be the same person

00:43:05 ◼   ► regardless you know it's like when you

00:43:07 ◼   ► go home from college for the first time

00:43:08 ◼   ► yours

00:43:08 ◼   ► not the same person anymore right

00:43:11 ◼   ► mm-hmm-hmm so yes then we get the lovely

00:43:14 ◼   ► lovely boat scene with the two of them

00:43:17 ◼   ► and yes the whole and that was beautiful

00:43:20 ◼   ► I mean that was he sleep next to me that

00:43:22 ◼   ► was that was like straight out of a

00:43:26 ◼   ► preston sturges film right just this

00:43:28 ◼   ► very just crackling comic dialogue but

00:43:32 ◼   ► also human and and just filled with

00:43:35 ◼   ► character and and I mean even his sort

00:43:38 ◼   ► of fumbling and going well well well I'm

00:43:40 ◼   ► above average right you know just sort

00:43:43 ◼   ► of like trying trying not to be the

00:43:46 ◼   ► matinee idol right nice yep and I knew I

00:43:50 ◼   ► knew that Chris Pine could do comedy

00:43:52 ◼   ► because he he is funny in in a lot of

00:43:55 ◼   ► places in the Star Trek films but this

00:43:57 ◼   ► was a different kind of comedy which I

00:44:00 ◼   ► really appreciated

00:44:01 ◼   ► I will admit that I I had trouble

00:44:04 ◼   ► differentiating Steve here from from

00:44:08 ◼   ► Kirk because that's the only thing I'd

00:44:10 ◼   ► ever seen him as so I really did keep

00:44:12 ◼   ► seeing him as Kirk most of the way

00:44:13 ◼   ► through the movie but that doesn't mean

00:44:15 ◼   ► I enjoyed his performance any less he

00:44:17 ◼   ► was still he was really good and no he

00:44:18 ◼   ► wasn't playing exactly the same

00:44:19 ◼   ► character it was just in my mind but it

00:44:22 ◼   ► was moments like yeah that helped yeah

00:44:24 ◼   ► and I had the opposite effect I kept

00:44:26 ◼   ► marveling about you know that you know

00:44:29 ◼   ► this is not Kirk like this is heat Steve

00:44:31 ◼   ► Trevor he's got this totally new

00:44:33 ◼   ► character going and I love it this this

00:44:35 ◼   ► is I always think of this when I see

00:44:37 ◼   ► things like this my mother used to say

00:44:39 ◼   ► this about some actors she and she

00:44:42 ◼   ► thought that about George Clooney she

00:44:44 ◼   ► would totally have thought this about

00:44:45 ◼   ► Chris Pine that they are just there's a

00:44:48 ◼   ► performance that where they become a a

00:44:51 ◼   ► movie star and this might be it it's

00:44:55 ◼   ► it's that same kind of you know it's a

00:44:57 ◼   ► very casual very you know totally at

00:44:59 ◼   ► ease Clooney has the same kind of

00:45:02 ◼   ► comfort in these kind of roles yeah it's

00:45:05 ◼   ► it's it's it shows that you know if

00:45:09 ◼   ► they're any guys watching this movie

00:45:11 ◼   ► that you don't need to do what many

00:45:13 ◼   ► generations of men have done well

00:45:15 ◼   ► actually do you do need to do what many

00:45:17 ◼   ► generations of men

00:45:18 ◼   ► told women over the decades and

00:45:20 ◼   ► millennia is to know your place I there

00:45:24 ◼   ► is a place for men and you know he's not

00:45:26 ◼   ► subservient he's not as you said earlier

00:45:28 ◼   ► ELISA he's not weak he is strong at his

00:45:32 ◼   ► role but he knows where he isn't and

00:45:35 ◼   ► that's where Diana comes in um for me I

00:45:38 ◼   ► think I mean I I love I love the movie

00:45:41 ◼   ► and everything else but I think honestly

00:45:43 ◼   ► the the role of Steve Trevor and

00:45:46 ◼   ► especially the way that Chris Pine plays

00:45:48 ◼   ► it kind of reminds me of Han Solo in the

00:45:51 ◼   ► first Star Wars film and that there's a

00:45:53 ◼   ► lot of mystic mystic mumbo jumbo going

00:45:57 ◼   ► on and like you know Amazon I mean Korea

00:45:59 ◼   ► is a super serious place where not the

00:46:02 ◼   ► humor goes down there's a lot of I must

00:46:04 ◼   ► find Ares in that sort of thing and he

00:46:06 ◼   ► sort of levels it he sort of brings it

00:46:08 ◼   ► down to sort of like just a just a wry

00:46:10 ◼   ► amount of cynicism just to keep everyone

00:46:12 ◼   ► just sort of grounded a little bit and

00:46:14 ◼   ► keep it real a little bit and that's

00:46:15 ◼   ► that was successful to the movie if they

00:46:17 ◼   ► you know it prevented it from becoming

00:46:20 ◼   ► too much of a DC Philip let's put it

00:46:22 ◼   ► that way yeah I think when I'm cleaning

00:46:26 ◼   ► it I think one of the things I really

00:46:28 ◼   ► loved about that scene is that Diana is

00:46:30 ◼   ► uh earnest and not hung up on social

00:46:36 ◼   ► convention the way Steve Trevor is but

00:46:38 ◼   ► she's not innocent either you know

00:46:40 ◼   ► they're having all these conversations

00:46:41 ◼   ► and she you know never seen a man before

00:46:44 ◼   ► but she has read plenty she understands

00:46:48 ◼   ► what goes on sometimes between men and

00:46:50 ◼   ► women she just doesn't have the hang-up

00:46:52 ◼   ► about sleeping alongside men right she

00:46:56 ◼   ► knows what she does and does not want to

00:46:58 ◼   ► do she's perfectly happy either way but

00:47:01 ◼   ► practically speaking it's better for

00:47:02 ◼   ► both of them to sleep up on the front of

00:47:04 ◼   ► the boat where they can stretch out and

00:47:06 ◼   ► I thought she played that whole

00:47:09 ◼   ► fish-out-of-water thing with so much

00:47:12 ◼   ► earnestness that it never felt like we

00:47:15 ◼   ► were taking Diana down a peg by putting

00:47:17 ◼   ► her in a new environment she was ready

00:47:19 ◼   ► to learn she was ready to be out there

00:47:21 ◼   ► but some things about what women are

00:47:23 ◼   ► expected to do in the early 20th century

00:47:26 ◼   ► are just incredibly silly

00:47:29 ◼   ► and I like that they move the movie try

00:47:31 ◼   ► cuz apparently that the comics starting

00:47:33 ◼   ► World War two I like it yes World War

00:47:36 ◼   ► one because there's yes you know what we

00:47:38 ◼   ► don't even have the vote but by World

00:47:40 ◼   ► War one and so there's on there's even

00:47:42 ◼   ► more restrictions on women in that time

00:47:45 ◼   ► period to post them out of their dress

00:47:47 ◼   ► their duty in society that sort of thing

00:47:48 ◼   ► so there's even more barriers to sort of

00:47:50 ◼   ► smash down I think if if you know that's

00:47:54 ◼   ► the the you know always trying to sort

00:47:58 ◼   ► of like stifle the reveal of her costume

00:48:00 ◼   ► until until the grand moment in no-man's

00:48:02 ◼   ► land it feels more natural here because

00:48:04 ◼   ► all your barely dress - you know

00:48:06 ◼   ► nineteen seventeen or eighteen of not

00:48:08 ◼   ► dress yeah yeah yeah what's gonna be

00:48:10 ◼   ► like a USO two or something if she was

00:48:12 ◼   ► wearing that outfit in World War two so

00:48:13 ◼   ► there would be as as out of place if you

00:48:16 ◼   ► know what I mean right yes right yeah

00:48:18 ◼   ► that was a good move I think the World

00:48:20 ◼   ► War one move was brilliant it would it's

00:48:22 ◼   ► kind of funny because the very first

00:48:23 ◼   ► trailer I saw I was like wait a minute

00:48:25 ◼   ► that's World War one isn't it and then I

00:48:27 ◼   ► second-guess myself going like no no she

00:48:29 ◼   ► started in World War two and then yes

00:48:32 ◼   ► they did choose World War one number one

00:48:34 ◼   ► distances itself from Captain America a

00:48:36 ◼   ► bit which I think was a good idea and

00:48:38 ◼   ► number two as you all said you know the

00:48:41 ◼   ► the division between gender roles much

00:48:44 ◼   ► stronger and also the fact that World

00:48:48 ◼   ► War one was the first global modern

00:48:52 ◼   ► conflict killing people by the millions

00:48:55 ◼   ► that ties in with uh with the mythos

00:49:00 ◼   ► that they used of Ares causing all of

00:49:03 ◼   ► these problems and Wonder Woman having

00:49:04 ◼   ► to go try to kill Ares I think you know

00:49:08 ◼   ► World War two yes horrible and massive

00:49:11 ◼   ► in its own way but that was the second

00:49:14 ◼   ► time around and people had at least a

00:49:16 ◼   ► grasp of of death on this scale by then

00:49:20 ◼   ► what I think World War one fit in with

00:49:22 ◼   ► the themes better that they created with

00:49:24 ◼   ► the Wonder Woman origin story with her

00:49:27 ◼   ► conflict with Ares but also with with

00:49:30 ◼   ► the whole thing of you know Ares idea

00:49:33 ◼   ► that I don't actually do this it's them

00:49:36 ◼   ► they do this and so it doesn't matter if

00:49:38 ◼   ► you kill me because they'll keep doing

00:49:40 ◼   ► this so that kind of

00:49:42 ◼   ► works to go all right you know not to

00:49:43 ◼   ► get ahead of ourselves plot wise here

00:49:45 ◼   ► but at the end when yes we've stopped it

00:49:49 ◼   ► in World War one is over and we don't

00:49:51 ◼   ► even call it World War one it's the

00:49:52 ◼   ► great war to end all wars and of course

00:49:54 ◼   ► it doesn't and we know that and the

00:49:57 ◼   ► other the other thing I think which was

00:49:59 ◼   ► a very smart decision on their part was

00:50:01 ◼   ► at the end when Ares well see again I'm

00:50:05 ◼   ► getting hit myself Franco but at the

00:50:07 ◼   ► very end when Ares has been dispatched

00:50:08 ◼   ► and everyone is sort of released from

00:50:12 ◼   ► that spell for a little bit and you see

00:50:15 ◼   ► the the Americans and the German

00:50:17 ◼   ► soldiers kind of relieved and everything

00:50:19 ◼   ► it's a little easier to watch German

00:50:21 ◼   ► soldiers like that when they're not

00:50:22 ◼   ► wearing swastikas that's what I was

00:50:24 ◼   ► thinking was moving to World War one

00:50:26 ◼   ► meant no swastika oh yeah yeah yeah and

00:50:29 ◼   ► teenagers boys yeah and young teenage

00:50:33 ◼   ► boys because that World War one was that

00:50:36 ◼   ► the first one to take an entire

00:50:38 ◼   ► generation of men and throw them into

00:50:40 ◼   ► this conflict and one thing that I liked

00:50:42 ◼   ► as as as a Canadian is that oftentimes

00:50:45 ◼   ► Hollywood will turn World War 2 into an

00:50:47 ◼   ► American war true whereas water 1

00:50:51 ◼   ► America ride very late

00:50:53 ◼   ► this is unapologetically set in Belgium

00:50:55 ◼   ► you know it's a Belgian village it gets

00:50:57 ◼   ► destroyed there are Germans uh all about

00:51:01 ◼   ► Europe exactly it's all about Europe and

00:51:03 ◼   ► I thought it was a from an American

00:51:05 ◼   ► movie that was that was somewhat bold to

00:51:07 ◼   ► sort of like take that decision to move

00:51:09 ◼   ► it away from the origins of the comic

00:51:10 ◼   ► and place it in a tear in an era that

00:51:13 ◼   ► most Americans are a lot less familiar

00:51:15 ◼   ► with Kelly what were you going to say

00:51:16 ◼   ► yeah the thing I liked about also doing

00:51:19 ◼   ► that was I feel like if they had tried

00:51:22 ◼   ► to do this with World War two Steve

00:51:24 ◼   ► comes out of World War two and tries to

00:51:27 ◼   ► sort of sell them on helping him stop

00:51:32 ◼   ► the war that it's going to be a harder

00:51:34 ◼   ► sell because like you guys have done

00:51:36 ◼   ► this once already and I felt like that

00:51:38 ◼   ► moment when he said you know millions of

00:51:41 ◼   ► people women and children slaughtered

00:51:43 ◼   ► weapons like nothing you have ever seen

00:51:46 ◼   ► it's the end of the world

00:51:48 ◼   ► that only could have been effective in

00:51:51 ◼   ► World War one because you know by the

00:51:53 ◼   ► time you get to World War two everything

00:51:54 ◼   ► has to have an asterisk

00:51:55 ◼   ► I know we said this once before but now

00:51:57 ◼   ► we mean it you know I know we tried to

00:51:59 ◼   ► tell you it was the war to end all wars

00:52:00 ◼   ► but here we are again and so I really

00:52:03 ◼   ► felt like that was one of the smart

00:52:05 ◼   ► things to do with it and then also I

00:52:07 ◼   ► felt like the current political climate

00:52:10 ◼   ► and I don't know how much this entered

00:52:12 ◼   ► into it but you know now with less

00:52:14 ◼   ► swastikas was a super smart move on

00:52:17 ◼   ► their part because it doesn't derail the

00:52:19 ◼   ► discussion of the film right into

00:52:21 ◼   ► something political whether you're

00:52:23 ◼   ► talking about politics that are politics

00:52:25 ◼   ► now and I thought that that was also a

00:52:26 ◼   ► really smart way to just sidestep all of

00:52:29 ◼   ► that entirely and I really liked how

00:52:31 ◼   ► they did that and I liked that it wasn't

00:52:34 ◼   ► here and I liked that it wasn't an

00:52:36 ◼   ► American war and Americans charging in

00:52:38 ◼   ► to save the day and like when you look

00:52:41 ◼   ► at who charges in you know the little

00:52:45 ◼   ► fellowship that gets together to go off

00:52:48 ◼   ► and stop the war is a woman who is

00:52:52 ◼   ► basically not from Earth you know I mean

00:52:55 ◼   ► only technically in that she's made of

00:52:57 ◼   ► clay um you know so we've got her we

00:53:00 ◼   ► have an American we have a Scotsman and

00:53:03 ◼   ► we have a Native American who has I

00:53:07 ◼   ► think one of the a very nice moment with

00:53:09 ◼   ► Diana in his own right when they have

00:53:11 ◼   ► the discussion at the campfire that we

00:53:12 ◼   ► could talk about right and I and Sammy

00:53:16 ◼   ► who was from I don't know where but I

00:53:19 ◼   ► think his Egyptian Turkey I was from

00:53:22 ◼   ► Turkey yeah okay oh well thanks oh and

00:53:25 ◼   ► it was kind of neat that that little

00:53:26 ◼   ► band because you know first I'm

00:53:28 ◼   ► wondering what I could do do we need

00:53:29 ◼   ► this we had you know Captain America had

00:53:31 ◼   ► his ragtag group of folks do we need

00:53:33 ◼   ► this and then I went looking online

00:53:34 ◼   ► that's actually a callback to a DC comic

00:53:38 ◼   ► property the Black Hawk squadron and

00:53:40 ◼   ► world war two so it's like it's an

00:53:42 ◼   ► easter egg I'll allow it and it's a

00:53:43 ◼   ► really good Easter Egg yeah and I really

00:53:46 ◼   ► enjoyed watching the chemistry between

00:53:48 ◼   ► all of them like again Jay casting like

00:53:51 ◼   ► this was a really fun group of people I

00:53:54 ◼   ► could totally imagine them after

00:53:57 ◼   ► spending all day shooting the scene

00:53:58 ◼   ► where they celebrate with beers that

00:54:00 ◼   ► they all go out and celebrate with beers

00:54:01 ◼   ► like I could envision

00:54:03 ◼   ► that one of my favorite moments is when

00:54:05 ◼   ► when they're talking they're sort of

00:54:07 ◼   ► getting to know one another in samia's

00:54:09 ◼   ► you know I always wanted to be an actor

00:54:11 ◼   ► but I am the wrong the wrong race I'm

00:54:14 ◼   ► the wrong person color yeah we're on

00:54:15 ◼   ► color and I immediately I wanted to see

00:54:20 ◼   ► a movie with the rest of them again I

00:54:21 ◼   ► just want to see them doing stuff

00:54:23 ◼   ► because they all of them were great

00:54:25 ◼   ► characters and he was delightful and

00:54:27 ◼   ► that is such a heartbreaking line and it

00:54:29 ◼   ► is a very meta line yes in its I think I

00:54:33 ◼   ► think that that that group and Diana's

00:54:35 ◼   ► place in it is really important to to

00:54:38 ◼   ► show us how she is discovering the world

00:54:41 ◼   ► outside and and you know later on when

00:54:44 ◼   ► she gets to the point where she's having

00:54:46 ◼   ► her conversation slash showdown with

00:54:48 ◼   ► Ares the the feelings that she's

00:54:50 ◼   ► developed for these people in the way

00:54:51 ◼   ► that she has come to know them it's a

00:54:54 ◼   ► big part of how and why she's able to

00:54:56 ◼   ► make the decision she does toward the

00:54:58 ◼   ► end so yeah the the travel along with

00:55:00 ◼   ► with these folks is is important in that

00:55:02 ◼   ► those relationships deepen as she goes

00:55:04 ◼   ► but I think it's I think the film does a

00:55:07 ◼   ► nice job of showing the relationships

00:55:10 ◼   ► they're sort of blooming I mean they

00:55:11 ◼   ► already have their little their little

00:55:13 ◼   ► team and she's getting us there for the

00:55:15 ◼   ► fresh part but when you see them

00:55:17 ◼   ► reacting to her jumping up and you know

00:55:19 ◼   ► running across no-man's land which was

00:55:21 ◼   ► an amazing amazing yes it's it was that

00:55:27 ◼   ► was just such a cool thing because you

00:55:29 ◼   ► get to see them sort of discovering what

00:55:32 ◼   ► she really is and each person's reaction

00:55:35 ◼   ► to that and then the fact that you know

00:55:36 ◼   ► it's a it's a war movie trope that

00:55:39 ◼   ► battle brings people together so yes

00:55:41 ◼   ► though when they're having the beers

00:55:42 ◼   ► afterwards and they're celebrating it it

00:55:44 ◼   ► feels earned and it feels like they have

00:55:47 ◼   ► taken a step on there in their

00:55:50 ◼   ► relationship it's great and one of the

00:55:52 ◼   ► things I loved about them was they

00:55:54 ◼   ► didn't care like that that she was a

00:55:57 ◼   ► girl they didn't like and well I won't

00:55:59 ◼   ► say they didn't care but it didn't seem

00:56:01 ◼   ► to matter to them that she was that they

00:56:03 ◼   ► were gonna drop her off at the war that

00:56:05 ◼   ► she was going to go off and do some sort

00:56:07 ◼   ► of fighting or something like they just

00:56:09 ◼   ► sort of took her at face value and then

00:56:11 ◼   ► when that value changed like

00:56:14 ◼   ► they didn't and I thought that that was

00:56:15 ◼   ► really great and wasn't like they sort

00:56:17 ◼   ► of treated her with kid gloves or

00:56:19 ◼   ► anything yeah you know like before they

00:56:22 ◼   ► date yet it

00:56:23 ◼   ► they internalized she can do that Wow

00:56:25 ◼   ► okay let's use this one she made small

00:56:28 ◼   ► crab for that guy in the bar yeah they

00:56:30 ◼   ► realized she can handle it but then even

00:56:33 ◼   ► after that one of the small things I

00:56:35 ◼   ► noticed in the movie is when they're

00:56:36 ◼   ► headed to the boat to go meet chief as

00:56:41 ◼   ► they're walking and they're having the

00:56:43 ◼   ► conversation about a liar a murderer a

00:56:45 ◼   ► smuggler Charlie keeps sticking his arm

00:56:48 ◼   ► out to her side to keep people from

00:56:50 ◼   ► bumping into her mm-hmm yeah and I

00:56:53 ◼   ► thought that was just a really kind

00:56:55 ◼   ► thing and that seemed like like they

00:56:57 ◼   ► were very friendly even then you know

00:56:59 ◼   ► that he was like you you know that he

00:57:00 ◼   ► had a certain amount of respect for her

00:57:02 ◼   ► you know like as a woman like he would

00:57:04 ◼   ► have opened the door for her you know or

00:57:05 ◼   ► whatever I felt like they they sort of

00:57:07 ◼   ► were we're still kind of formal and he

00:57:09 ◼   ► was kind of you know trying to make sure

00:57:10 ◼   ► that she wasn't getting bumped into by

00:57:13 ◼   ► all these people and I thought that was

00:57:14 ◼   ► a really a very small moment that was

00:57:17 ◼   ► very nice that I really enjoyed and one

00:57:20 ◼   ► I loved when they're in the town once

00:57:22 ◼   ► they've saved the town and they're

00:57:24 ◼   ► celebrating and we mean it's not like we

00:57:28 ◼   ► take time to get to know anybody there

00:57:30 ◼   ► but we get to know the town we get to

00:57:32 ◼   ► know the the atmosphere of it and the

00:57:34 ◼   ► feeling of it and that comes back in

00:57:36 ◼   ► devastating manner later in the movie

00:57:38 ◼   ► yes oh my god

00:57:40 ◼   ► oh that comes again to the feeling of

00:57:42 ◼   ► there are consequences to things yes

00:57:44 ◼   ► they really didn't shy away from making

00:57:47 ◼   ► us fall in love with this little town

00:57:50 ◼   ► where they found a moment of peace in

00:57:52 ◼   ► this war and this was Diana's big first

00:57:56 ◼   ► triumph against this war of saving these

00:57:59 ◼   ► people saving this town and that all got

00:58:02 ◼   ► taken away so it's a very good moment of

00:58:05 ◼   ► a human tragedy in the loss of the

00:58:08 ◼   ► village and the personal tragedy for

00:58:10 ◼   ► Diana to lose all of these people that

00:58:12 ◼   ► she had just saved you know I thought

00:58:15 ◼   ► that was so well done I can't believe

00:58:17 ◼   ► they went there I can't believe they

00:58:19 ◼   ► they really committed to that and didn't

00:58:21 ◼   ► back off from it and I think it was also

00:58:23 ◼   ► a kind of twofold important scene for

00:58:27 ◼   ► developing the

00:58:28 ◼   ► relationship between Diana and Steve

00:58:30 ◼   ► because during the battle you actually

00:58:33 ◼   ► have him running out with his with his

00:58:35 ◼   ► buddies and you know getting that big

00:58:36 ◼   ► piece of metal and doing the shield

00:58:39 ◼   ► thing so it showed us he seen them do it

00:58:41 ◼   ► before I love that bit too he was that

00:58:43 ◼   ► he attention to to the battle enough and

00:58:46 ◼   ► recognized that this is this is a thing

00:58:49 ◼   ► that she is capable of this is the thing

00:58:51 ◼   ► that I am not capable of I am literally

00:58:53 ◼   ► going to bend down and and kneel so that

00:58:57 ◼   ► she can do this thing that that is

00:58:59 ◼   ► amazing and then I catch you steps on my

00:59:01 ◼   ► back yep yes girls continue kicking ass

00:59:05 ◼   ► right there and the beauty of it is it's

00:59:07 ◼   ► both you know saying here I can be

00:59:11 ◼   ► subservient and you know you can take

00:59:13 ◼   ► the primary role and it's also saying

00:59:14 ◼   ► I'm a really smart tactical yeppers

00:59:17 ◼   ► right to do this as a team player and

00:59:19 ◼   ► that's the thing you know yes she's

00:59:21 ◼   ► taking the brunt of it but they are

00:59:22 ◼   ► functioning as a team one of the things

00:59:24 ◼   ► I also liked about that was the way they

00:59:26 ◼   ► portrayed the Scottish sharpshooters

00:59:29 ◼   ► PTSD riot in that everyone was super

00:59:33 ◼   ► understanding and respectful of what it

00:59:37 ◼   ► was that he was going through because

00:59:39 ◼   ► that was also a major theme to come out

00:59:41 ◼   ► of world war one is that you have all of

00:59:43 ◼   ► these young men coming back with this

00:59:46 ◼   ► incredible trauma and they don't really

00:59:48 ◼   ► know how to cope with that how to deal

00:59:51 ◼   ► with that how to diagnose or treat it

00:59:54 ◼   ► and a lot of survivors with PTSD and

00:59:57 ◼   ► other forms of trauma were not treated

00:59:59 ◼   ► very well

00:59:59 ◼   ► very well

01:00:00 ◼   ► all right as a result of it so it was

01:00:02 ◼   ► kind of nice to see this movie address

01:00:06 ◼   ► it in a way that this group of people is

01:00:08 ◼   ► going to understand the trauma that he

01:00:10 ◼   ► is going through and be respectful of

01:00:12 ◼   ► him and find other ways to work around

01:00:15 ◼   ► it I felt like that was another thing

01:00:17 ◼   ► that um sort of gave Diana evidence that

01:00:23 ◼   ► that man is more than what Ares is is

01:00:27 ◼   ► chalking up to them and I read that was

01:00:31 ◼   ► one of the things I really enjoyed was

01:00:32 ◼   ► that moment where she looked over and

01:00:34 ◼   ► all three of them are like I'm out and

01:00:36 ◼   ► they just held hands and put their heads

01:00:39 ◼   ► together and waited for the end and I

01:00:42 ◼   ► was heartbroken for them and yes I felt

01:00:45 ◼   ► like them taking care of Charlie like he

01:00:48 ◼   ► just that he is who he is and and you

01:00:52 ◼   ► know he doesn't mean anything by it and

01:00:53 ◼   ► they were very understanding of him and

01:00:55 ◼   ► like chief still has a good relationship

01:00:57 ◼   ► with Steve you who took this from you

01:01:00 ◼   ► his people and you know and Sammy's

01:01:03 ◼   ► declaration of I'm just the wrong color

01:01:05 ◼   ► like all of them it was exactly what

01:01:09 ◼   ► Sammy said everyone's fighting their own

01:01:11 ◼   ► battles just as you're fighting yours

01:01:12 ◼   ► and I really liked that they all had

01:01:15 ◼   ► this this love and affection for each

01:01:17 ◼   ► other genuinely that Diana was getting

01:01:20 ◼   ► and so the demonstration you know the

01:01:22 ◼   ► love that she believes in is not just

01:01:24 ◼   ► I'm in love with Steve it was they love

01:01:28 ◼   ► each other and they care about each

01:01:29 ◼   ► other because they'd had this moment in

01:01:30 ◼   ► the village with all these other people

01:01:32 ◼   ► you know in that moment when like chief

01:01:33 ◼   ► is refusing payment and you know Sammy's

01:01:36 ◼   ► bringing beers around to everybody and

01:01:38 ◼   ► like all of those little things that

01:01:39 ◼   ► happened in the village where we really

01:01:41 ◼   ► get those moments that was really

01:01:43 ◼   ► fundamentally kind and it was one of the

01:01:46 ◼   ► parts of people that I like to think

01:01:49 ◼   ► about and Charlie was singing he hasn't

01:01:51 ◼   ► sung in years yeah it was it was it was

01:01:55 ◼   ► kind of a breakthrough for for a lot of

01:01:57 ◼   ► them in many ways and I had to say that

01:01:59 ◼   ► I found the the sequence with Diana and

01:02:02 ◼   ► Steve dancing at the end and then you

01:02:04 ◼   ► know going up and getting on it on much

01:02:06 ◼   ► more sweetly sincere than a lot of

01:02:10 ◼   ► similar romantic scene

01:02:12 ◼   ► in other movies whether they be

01:02:14 ◼   ► superhero movies or not because yeah

01:02:16 ◼   ► this is right this is a film where

01:02:18 ◼   ► sincerity and earnestness are not

01:02:21 ◼   ► treated as a syrupy they are just right

01:02:24 ◼   ► for character and they are a part of my

01:02:27 ◼   ► world and and they're surrounded by all

01:02:29 ◼   ► of these you know this darkness and

01:02:30 ◼   ► these battles that like we keep saying

01:02:32 ◼   ► have actual consequences it feels like

01:02:35 ◼   ► like amidst all of that it's a much more

01:02:38 ◼   ► realistic feeling relationship right

01:02:41 ◼   ► it's going under it's under played it's

01:02:44 ◼   ► realistic it's human and I loved that

01:02:47 ◼   ► you know

01:02:47 ◼   ► it starts off where it's like well

01:02:49 ◼   ► you're you're standing awfully close

01:02:51 ◼   ► because evil yeah that's going to do

01:02:54 ◼   ► this yeah that's wrong and in most

01:02:57 ◼   ► movies and TV these days it would

01:02:59 ◼   ► continue being witty and snappy and

01:03:01 ◼   ► funny and it just gets very quiet as

01:03:03 ◼   ► they both realize oh oh you are standing

01:03:06 ◼   ► a little close and then we go to another

01:03:08 ◼   ► place where they're going to stand a lot

01:03:10 ◼   ► closer and there's no there's no

01:03:12 ◼   ► smirking about it there's no hey look at

01:03:14 ◼   ► me I'm above average right it's just

01:03:17 ◼   ► this is the next step that we're taking

01:03:19 ◼   ► and that's that right and and then it

01:03:23 ◼   ► fades out to the next scene

01:03:24 ◼   ► it doesn't dwell on that but what I love

01:03:27 ◼   ► is that you know probably a typically a

01:03:30 ◼   ► male directed film would probably have

01:03:32 ◼   ► Steve Trevor go into that room close the

01:03:35 ◼   ► door

01:03:35 ◼   ► crisp I've ever in this movie hesitates

01:03:38 ◼   ► wonders where this is going is this is

01:03:41 ◼   ► this what I think it is okay I guess it

01:03:44 ◼   ► is now I close the door he you know he

01:03:46 ◼   ► didn't assume he didn't assume that he

01:03:48 ◼   ► was going to get some there he you know

01:03:50 ◼   ► it was what Diana wanted and though

01:03:52 ◼   ► that's when he closed the door that's

01:03:53 ◼   ► what I really loved about that it was a

01:03:54 ◼   ► beautiful moment yeah and it wasn't a

01:03:57 ◼   ► prize you know Diana wasn't a prize that

01:04:01 ◼   ► Steve had won and she was active had

01:04:05 ◼   ► agency in that very much you know a

01:04:08 ◼   ► driving participant in all of that

01:04:10 ◼   ► happening which is just so so rare to

01:04:13 ◼   ► see in any movie not just in the

01:04:16 ◼   ► superhero genre that that was that

01:04:19 ◼   ► absolutely made that scene for me mm-hmm

01:04:22 ◼   ► okay well I want to we need to keep

01:04:24 ◼   ► things really here so I want to take a

01:04:25 ◼   ► sort of

01:04:26 ◼   ► sharp left turn and actually talk about

01:04:27 ◼   ► the the the villains in this this and

01:04:31 ◼   ► I'm not talking about areas yet who

01:04:33 ◼   ► actually did anybody else figure out who

01:04:35 ◼   ► Aires was like and his first appearance

01:04:37 ◼   ► on screen okay you know he had an

01:04:39 ◼   ► inkling and then I forgot that I'd had

01:04:42 ◼   ► that inkling until the reveal I see

01:04:44 ◼   ► first basically you have David Thewlis

01:04:46 ◼   ► in a movie so he's going to be a bad guy

01:04:48 ◼   ► and because not always a bad guy well my

01:04:51 ◼   ► name is Luton I know it's my problem I'm

01:04:54 ◼   ► like reefer yeah whooping can't be the

01:04:56 ◼   ► bad guy thing see I've been watching

01:04:58 ◼   ► Fargo so I knew he was going to play uh

01:05:00 ◼   ► and but but it was literally Chekhov's

01:05:05 ◼   ► Aires they kept harping on it and

01:05:07 ◼   ► harping on it and harping on it and with

01:05:10 ◼   ► all of that you kind of go yes we're

01:05:12 ◼   ► gonna find out that it's not really a

01:05:14 ◼   ► big deal because we know that the second

01:05:17 ◼   ► world war comes along but we're gonna

01:05:19 ◼   ► run into him and it's probably gonna be

01:05:21 ◼   ► David Thewlis I didn't mean to go Casey

01:05:23 ◼   ► Kasem there but that's how I should be

01:05:27 ◼   ► by surprise maybe I was clueless as to

01:05:29 ◼   ► how superhero movies work like this but

01:05:32 ◼   ► I I just thought he was a kindly I

01:05:33 ◼   ► thought he was gonna like the Ray fine

01:05:35 ◼   ► it's kind of like my work you in the

01:05:37 ◼   ► body yeah and then like gives them the

01:05:39 ◼   ► money and like yeah she can run it from

01:05:41 ◼   ► my office and I've said I've said this

01:05:44 ◼   ► before

01:05:45 ◼   ► it's totally from being a writer I I

01:05:48 ◼   ► think about plot things and I think

01:05:50 ◼   ► about it's it's when a movie can

01:05:52 ◼   ► surprise me and still work in context of

01:05:55 ◼   ► the movie that is a fantastic thing and

01:05:57 ◼   ► it happens to me very rarely I loved

01:06:00 ◼   ► this anyway but yeah I knew instantly as

01:06:03 ◼   ► soon as he walks is like up there is

01:06:05 ◼   ► well it's because it's got any surprises

01:06:07 ◼   ► right for seeing it again is now that

01:06:10 ◼   ► you know when you go back and you watch

01:06:12 ◼   ► then all of it makes perfect sense when

01:06:16 ◼   ► you go in knowing who were after yeah

01:06:18 ◼   ► because of course he's gonna send them

01:06:20 ◼   ► to mess it up because he thinks they're

01:06:21 ◼   ► gonna mess it up in the wars gonna get

01:06:22 ◼   ► to continue and then he and he totally

01:06:24 ◼   ► is playing them from the moment they

01:06:28 ◼   ► show up and when you start there then

01:06:31 ◼   ► you know when you know going in that

01:06:33 ◼   ► Lupin is the bad guy uh-un

01:06:37 ◼   ► up you know when he for 21st walks into

01:06:41 ◼   ► that war room where he's trying to talk

01:06:44 ◼   ► about the Armistice and and he's so

01:06:46 ◼   ► ineffectual at it right yeah it's

01:06:48 ◼   ► getting interrupted and talked over and

01:06:50 ◼   ► huh you know it's like no he's he's

01:06:54 ◼   ► playing something but at first like I

01:06:57 ◼   ► didn't at first I didn't see it that way

01:06:59 ◼   ► at all and then when I watched it the

01:07:00 ◼   ► second time I could see that um it

01:07:04 ◼   ► wasn't surprised at the lady in the war

01:07:07 ◼   ► room it was surprised that she's off the

01:07:09 ◼   ► island now right no it's an interesting

01:07:14 ◼   ► turn of events

01:07:15 ◼   ► I assume she's here for me and I felt

01:07:18 ◼   ► like that was a big moment for him which

01:07:21 ◼   ► is you know the first time we see him

01:07:23 ◼   ► because like that I feel like that's

01:07:26 ◼   ► what's driving the rest of his actions

01:07:28 ◼   ► through the movie is that he recognizes

01:07:29 ◼   ► Diana and when you go in knowing that's

01:07:33 ◼   ► who that's what's gonna happen

01:07:35 ◼   ► it's a little bit different when you

01:07:37 ◼   ► watch him because I was like okay I'm

01:07:38 ◼   ► gonna watch him this time now that I

01:07:39 ◼   ► know that he's the bad guy because you

01:07:41 ◼   ► see the weird stuff happened with

01:07:43 ◼   ► Ludendorff and all of the things that

01:07:46 ◼   ► that he's up to and then he starts um

01:07:48 ◼   ► you know huffing the little perfume

01:07:50 ◼   ► samples and like his face starts to

01:07:52 ◼   ► light up and you know he turns into like

01:07:54 ◼   ► superpowers like I sort of like it was

01:07:57 ◼   ► to me the first time through it was very

01:07:59 ◼   ► obvious oh well this is just him

01:08:01 ◼   ► channeling his inner God you know and so

01:08:04 ◼   ► this it's just peaking out you know in

01:08:06 ◼   ► the in the light in his face and so you

01:08:08 ◼   ► know so then I was sort of confused when

01:08:12 ◼   ► she runs the sword through him and the

01:08:14 ◼   ► roof and pins in there and like nothing

01:08:17 ◼   ► changes I felt like Diana at that point

01:08:19 ◼   ► like nothing changed I don't understand

01:08:20 ◼   ► what's going on here and so when you go

01:08:23 ◼   ► in and you know that he's a bad guy and

01:08:25 ◼   ► you watch him you can see him do that

01:08:27 ◼   ► whole like wait no stop don't you know

01:08:31 ◼   ► like like yeah half-heartedly trying it

01:08:33 ◼   ► and then playing everybody to his

01:08:36 ◼   ► advantage I thought we were leading up

01:08:38 ◼   ► to a bait-and-switch that dr. Maru was

01:08:40 ◼   ► going to be Ares like right up until the

01:08:43 ◼   ► point yeah that David Thewlis showed up

01:08:45 ◼   ► in that Tower

01:08:47 ◼   ► I was thinking see okay here's the bait

01:08:50 ◼   ► and switch we're going to get

01:08:51 ◼   ► dr. maura now and she's gonna have been

01:08:53 ◼   ► Aries all along like nipple aiding him

01:08:55 ◼   ► with the perfumed samplers he was

01:08:56 ◼   ► huffing then I was like oh my god loop

01:08:58 ◼   ► is the bad guy yeah I thought it was

01:09:01 ◼   ► like how was it not him well obviously

01:09:03 ◼   ► it's doctor poison like that was totally

01:09:06 ◼   ► where I was right first him through yeah

01:09:07 ◼   ► yes he I was going it's going to be the

01:09:10 ◼   ► least likely person and you know and

01:09:12 ◼   ► that's the twist it's got to be a

01:09:14 ◼   ► surprise it's not a surprise if it's one

01:09:16 ◼   ► of the two of them and but also when you

01:09:18 ◼   ► go back and watch it now it works

01:09:20 ◼   ► beautifully because either they're gonna

01:09:23 ◼   ► screw it up or she's going to be seduced

01:09:25 ◼   ► to his side cuz that's part of what he's

01:09:27 ◼   ► after at the end and either way he comes

01:09:29 ◼   ► out ahead exactly yep and it's

01:09:32 ◼   ► beautifully constructed that way and

01:09:34 ◼   ► it's really beautifully constructed too

01:09:35 ◼   ► because his argument Ares argument that

01:09:38 ◼   ► I don't make them do this this is just

01:09:41 ◼   ► them I've you know I've given them some

01:09:42 ◼   ► ideas but they're the ones that choose

01:09:43 ◼   ► to carry them out that is absolutely the

01:09:45 ◼   ► case with Ludendorff and and dr. poison

01:09:48 ◼   ► because you know they they are the ones

01:09:50 ◼   ► who did absolutely just completely

01:09:54 ◼   ► killed that village that she that she

01:09:56 ◼   ► fell in love in and with and it was it

01:09:59 ◼   ► was it was he was human beings all along

01:10:02 ◼   ► that were doing this yes killed but

01:10:04 ◼   ► settled their own um their own

01:10:06 ◼   ► commanders that were getting ready to

01:10:08 ◼   ► sign the armistice it's like oh we're

01:10:10 ◼   ► going to take care of this yeah and like

01:10:13 ◼   ► like the first time I think we see

01:10:15 ◼   ► Ludendorff he says you know I haven't

01:10:17 ◼   ► eaten I haven't slept like what's your

01:10:19 ◼   ► deal maybe we need to remind everybody

01:10:21 ◼   ► that an attack can come at any moment

01:10:23 ◼   ► let's do that bang mm-hmm and and the

01:10:28 ◼   ► thing I will say about this is that it

01:10:30 ◼   ► was a very emotional final battle for me

01:10:33 ◼   ► as we talked about everybody bringing

01:10:35 ◼   ► their own stuff in fighting their own

01:10:36 ◼   ► battles because I live in Portland so

01:10:38 ◼   ► this was just barely a week after the

01:10:41 ◼   ► incident on the max so talking about how

01:10:44 ◼   ► mankind is terrible and mankind is

01:10:46 ◼   ► horrible and mankind does all this stuff

01:10:48 ◼   ► to each other like I was totally sitting

01:10:50 ◼   ► in my seat going yeah I know like it was

01:10:54 ◼   ► very sad like from here because like I

01:10:57 ◼   ► see that everywhere like it's happening

01:10:59 ◼   ► in downtown Portland right now as we

01:11:01 ◼   ► regard this as a matter of fact

01:11:03 ◼   ► so it was it was one of those things

01:11:05 ◼   ► where it was it resonated with me

01:11:08 ◼   ► personally and you know everybody

01:11:09 ◼   ► sitting in my room sure like as we were

01:11:11 ◼   ► sitting there watching them talk

01:11:12 ◼   ► watching Aires talk about how humanity

01:11:14 ◼   ► is so terrible and you know yeah it did

01:11:18 ◼   ► you know it it he's absolutely right

01:11:20 ◼   ► I felt like you know it I was like I

01:11:22 ◼   ► gotta see your point dude like there was

01:11:25 ◼   ► a moment there where I'm like yeah he's

01:11:26 ◼   ► kind of making a convincing argument

01:11:28 ◼   ► like we kind of do suck and then when I

01:11:30 ◼   ► knew it was him and we went back the

01:11:33 ◼   ► next time like there was a lot of stuff

01:11:34 ◼   ► going on in town where people have had

01:11:38 ◼   ► crazy amounts of money donated to the

01:11:40 ◼   ► families and donated to the guy who

01:11:41 ◼   ► survived so that he can pay all of his

01:11:44 ◼   ► medical bills and there's a company that

01:11:46 ◼   ► donated a bunch of t-shirts say piece on

01:11:49 ◼   ► them and they like went down to the max

01:11:51 ◼   ► stop and started giving them away to

01:11:52 ◼   ► people and like there's still a bunch of

01:11:54 ◼   ► flowers there and people are talking

01:11:56 ◼   ► about a permanent memorial to these

01:11:57 ◼   ► people and and that like all of that

01:12:00 ◼   ► news started coming out on Friday so

01:12:02 ◼   ► when when I when I get went again on

01:12:03 ◼   ► Friday I felt like I cited more with

01:12:06 ◼   ► Diana at the end you know like they are

01:12:08 ◼   ► more than that like yeah actually we are

01:12:10 ◼   ► you know we need to be reminded of that

01:12:12 ◼   ► so it was a very emotion a motional II

01:12:16 ◼   ► between seeing at Thursday and seeing at

01:12:18 ◼   ► Friday for that reason you know and it

01:12:21 ◼   ► was really nice to sort of have that

01:12:23 ◼   ► reminder and like be sort of reassured I

01:12:27 ◼   ► guess yeah the one piece of his of areas

01:12:31 ◼   ► argument that just didn't sit well for

01:12:35 ◼   ► me and I don't think it was supposed to

01:12:36 ◼   ► was his idea that okay so you have like

01:12:38 ◼   ► you know if anybody in this movie could

01:12:40 ◼   ► could be said to have been fringed its

01:12:42 ◼   ► Steve because he is the one who

01:12:44 ◼   ► sacrifices himself and dies I mean at

01:12:46 ◼   ► least he but chooses to sacrifice

01:12:48 ◼   ► himself so it's not like really yeah

01:12:49 ◼   ► fridging but no but so he dies and she

01:12:52 ◼   ► explodes with her anger which I thought

01:12:55 ◼   ► that was a great teen she did a really

01:12:56 ◼   ► nice job but then Aries is his point is

01:12:59 ◼   ► sort of see he went and he left you

01:13:01 ◼   ► alone so you should you should believe

01:13:03 ◼   ► me and follow me and I was just like how

01:13:05 ◼   ► dumb are you - thank you she's upset

01:13:07 ◼   ► because she cared about him and you

01:13:11 ◼   ► totally misread the situation while you

01:13:13 ◼   ► must be a God of War and clearly not a

01:13:14 ◼   ► God of love that's

01:13:15 ◼   ► so so so then she goes on to to

01:13:18 ◼   ► recognize that no people are better and

01:13:21 ◼   ► and and she's she becomes our wonderful

01:13:24 ◼   ► Wonder Woman what which I have to also

01:13:26 ◼   ► say it's nice that nobody said Wonder

01:13:28 ◼   ► Woman at all in the entire movie yeah

01:13:30 ◼   ► yeah that's true her reaction to his to

01:13:33 ◼   ► his death was was awesome and his

01:13:36 ◼   ► reaction to her reaction to Steve's

01:13:39 ◼   ► death was baffling to me the only

01:13:41 ◼   ► downside for me for a lot of that is I

01:13:45 ◼   ► thought David Thewlis was totally

01:13:49 ◼   ► totally perfect as Sir Patrick and as he

01:13:53 ◼   ► was turning into revealing himself to be

01:13:56 ◼   ► Aerys it was still okay once we were in

01:13:59 ◼   ► the full-on god I really kind of wish

01:14:01 ◼   ► that they'd given him like a full-on

01:14:02 ◼   ► helm that covered everything but his uh

01:14:04 ◼   ► but his eyes because I'm sorry

01:14:06 ◼   ► that is Ares does not wear that would be

01:14:09 ◼   ► little mustache to me sitting there you

01:14:14 ◼   ► know he was sitting there talking about

01:14:15 ◼   ► after I fell to earth and I was too weak

01:14:17 ◼   ► and whatever and they show him and he's

01:14:18 ◼   ► like sad and uncloudy in that stash oh

01:14:23 ◼   ► you've got to put it the 70s and now

01:14:26 ◼   ► it's World War one I don't understand

01:14:27 ◼   ► what happened here yes that's it's it's

01:14:30 ◼   ► kind of it's the why the USS Enterprise

01:14:33 ◼   ► makes noise in space it's so we can

01:14:35 ◼   ► remember who he is because we can't

01:14:37 ◼   ► possibly figure that out but I think

01:14:40 ◼   ► that was the sex acts nighter thing I

01:14:43 ◼   ► don't think that was the director

01:14:44 ◼   ► because that's just dumb yeah and the

01:14:48 ◼   ► wrists and the rest of this movie is not

01:14:50 ◼   ► dumb that way well there was still a

01:14:52 ◼   ► confrontation between the two there

01:14:54 ◼   ► still had to be dialogue between the two

01:14:55 ◼   ► so that's what you know that's why they

01:14:57 ◼   ► couldn't necessarily turn we've got ears

01:15:00 ◼   ► we've got ears we can hear him hahaha

01:15:04 ◼   ► you just see this you know there there

01:15:05 ◼   ► is a thing to be said about about

01:15:07 ◼   ► humanity and movies and if it was just

01:15:09 ◼   ► sort of a CG monster I think we would

01:15:11 ◼   ► sort of lose that connection a little

01:15:12 ◼   ► bit but I think we can see the eyes in

01:15:15 ◼   ► the mouth moving of of the human that's

01:15:17 ◼   ► under perhaps his mustache should have

01:15:19 ◼   ► singed off I suppose that maybe we go

01:15:22 ◼   ► for that

01:15:23 ◼   ► I will give one very brief defense of

01:15:26 ◼   ► his statement about he's gone and left

01:15:30 ◼   ► you alone because that to me didn't

01:15:33 ◼   ► actually feel odd i from a family where

01:15:38 ◼   ► people have served in the US military

01:15:41 ◼   ► particularly the US Navy I've got many

01:15:43 ◼   ► friends who's had people serve in Iraq

01:15:47 ◼   ► and Afghanistan and the thing that

01:15:52 ◼   ► strikes me about the grieving process

01:15:55 ◼   ► for people who serve in the military and

01:15:58 ◼   ► put themselves in risky situations is

01:16:00 ◼   ► that usually the anger part of that

01:16:03 ◼   ► grief is they've gone and left you that

01:16:07 ◼   ► nobody forced them at least for people

01:16:10 ◼   ► who served after the draft and even then

01:16:14 ◼   ► many people who serve during the draft

01:16:16 ◼   ► had options to get out as did many of my

01:16:18 ◼   ► family members who could have gone to a

01:16:20 ◼   ► higher education rather than serve in

01:16:24 ◼   ► the military at that time the anger part

01:16:27 ◼   ► of that is you did not have to go and

01:16:30 ◼   ► serve in this conflict you did not have

01:16:34 ◼   ► to take that action that self-sacrifice

01:16:38 ◼   ► to protect other people or in the case

01:16:42 ◼   ► of what Steve's doing here you didn't

01:16:44 ◼   ► have to go and decide that you and you

01:16:47 ◼   ► alone could save everybody and decide to

01:16:49 ◼   ► sacrifice yourself that that anger part

01:16:52 ◼   ► of grief that that someone has made the

01:16:55 ◼   ► decision to leave you is very real and I

01:16:57 ◼   ► think the thing with Steve that struck

01:16:59 ◼   ► me with Ares is that Steve is another

01:17:02 ◼   ► one of in a way areas warriors he's not

01:17:06 ◼   ► in love with war the way Ares is but

01:17:08 ◼   ► he's participating in the conflict he's

01:17:10 ◼   ► doing his best that he can to end the

01:17:12 ◼   ► conflict but he is participating in it

01:17:15 ◼   ► and Diana even expresses some discomfort

01:17:17 ◼   ► at how Steve is valuing lives and how

01:17:21 ◼   ► he's choosing to accept certain missions

01:17:24 ◼   ► and who he's choosing to go in and save

01:17:27 ◼   ► so for me that made perfect sense that

01:17:30 ◼   ► this this might be a moment to convince

01:17:32 ◼   ► Diana that

01:17:34 ◼   ► man is weak man will continue to act out

01:17:37 ◼   ► and be violent and that could have been

01:17:40 ◼   ► seen as another failing of Steve's for

01:17:43 ◼   ► Diana I'm glad that Diana reacted the

01:17:46 ◼   ► way she did but that moment to me didn't

01:17:47 ◼   ► seem at all odd thank you for putting

01:17:50 ◼   ► that way because that's that is

01:17:51 ◼   ► something I had not considered and now

01:17:53 ◼   ► that moments it's much better with me

01:17:55 ◼   ► thank you that that moment didn't seem

01:17:57 ◼   ► odd to me either also because I mean I

01:18:00 ◼   ► and this is part of my thing

01:18:03 ◼   ► I didn't entirely by his resolution to

01:18:07 ◼   ► this I don't think that was the best way

01:18:09 ◼   ► to resolve things but in flying the

01:18:13 ◼   ► plane up and getting it out of the way

01:18:14 ◼   ► of everybody else

01:18:15 ◼   ► he's showing that he's valuing everyone

01:18:18 ◼   ► else who's on the ground he could have

01:18:20 ◼   ► blown it up on the ground and that would

01:18:22 ◼   ► have you know wiped out everybody else

01:18:24 ◼   ► who was there but he took it out of the

01:18:26 ◼   ► way by himself and now he's valuing only

01:18:29 ◼   ► his he's valuing everyone else's lives

01:18:30 ◼   ► above his own instead of saying well I'm

01:18:33 ◼   ► gonna make a choice and destroy this

01:18:34 ◼   ► here but you know maybe I'll survive and

01:18:36 ◼   ► we'll go off and do whatever so it kind

01:18:39 ◼   ► of made the sacrifice a little more

01:18:41 ◼   ► meaningful I still don't quite buy it as

01:18:44 ◼   ► an ending but and he did it without a

01:18:46 ◼   ► quip too which is nice right you know

01:18:48 ◼   ► man something he hesitated and he yeah

01:18:51 ◼   ► exactly thinking and that's another

01:18:53 ◼   ► thing I love I love to see characters

01:18:55 ◼   ► think on stage and screen

01:18:57 ◼   ► I don't care where and you don't get to

01:18:59 ◼   ► see that often enough I really in like a

01:19:02 ◼   ► team know enjoyed it but I was really

01:19:05 ◼   ► impressed with that and then when we get

01:19:08 ◼   ► the play back later where you can hear

01:19:11 ◼   ► him and he tells Diana I can save the

01:19:14 ◼   ► day but you can save the world and I

01:19:17 ◼   ► really liked that he it sort of felt

01:19:21 ◼   ► like he'd done the math on all of that

01:19:22 ◼   ► you know even when when he said I need

01:19:25 ◼   ► you guys to give me some cover and run

01:19:26 ◼   ► into the plane or whatever it was you

01:19:28 ◼   ► know and they all tried to talk him out

01:19:29 ◼   ► of it and then he finds her and gets the

01:19:32 ◼   ► chance to talk to her for a second and

01:19:33 ◼   ► then goes up and that was the thing like

01:19:35 ◼   ► he did hesitate and and you watch him

01:19:38 ◼   ► like it sort of felt like when he grabs

01:19:42 ◼   ► her lasso when he tells her they're

01:19:44 ◼   ► going anyway and that he lied you know

01:19:47 ◼   ► oh this is the to idea yeah and and I

01:19:52 ◼   ► sort of felt like he was thinking about

01:19:54 ◼   ► that like I even said this was a

01:19:56 ◼   ► terrible idea and it's sort of like

01:19:58 ◼   ► working through it in his head if he's

01:19:59 ◼   ► like but it's what I have to do right

01:20:02 ◼   ► and you know I know that there's a

01:20:03 ◼   ► certain amount of that that probably had

01:20:05 ◼   ► to happen for story reasons and you know

01:20:07 ◼   ► one thing another like we can't make

01:20:08 ◼   ► another movie with Steve Trevor and

01:20:09 ◼   ► that'd that I have ideas now yeah you