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00:00:02   the Intolerable number 157 June 2017

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to the

00:00:12   incomparable I am NOT your host Jason

00:00:15   Snell no I am Erika ensign and I'm

00:00:18   usually a panelist here on the

00:00:19   incomparable but alas our fearless

00:00:21   leader is not able to be with us today

00:00:23   if you are a regular listener to the

00:00:25   podcast you'll know that one thing we do

00:00:27   very rarely is talk about current movies

00:00:29   films that are in the theater now and

00:00:31   that is because it is so hard to find

00:00:33   time for enough of us to get to the

00:00:35   theater and watch them in time to record

00:00:37   a sort of timely podcast about a new

00:00:39   movie but this is one of those rare

00:00:41   occasions when we are going to do just

00:00:43   that we are here to talk about Wonder

00:00:45   Woman starring gal gadot and directed by

00:00:46   patty Jenkins I think Jason would

00:00:49   probably have liked to have been here

00:00:50   but there's this little thing this week

00:00:52   called WWDC and apparently that doesn't

00:00:55   stand for Wonder Woman from Detective

00:00:58   Comics who knew so yeah what's that

00:01:00   about yeah so while the host is a way

00:01:02   the panelists will play and I have a

00:01:04   fine assortment of panelists joining me

00:01:06   today to talk about this blockbuster

00:01:08   film first of all we have a Shannon

00:01:11   ceteris welcome back to the podcast

00:01:12   Shannon or lafa tikis and you heard his

00:01:16   voice a moment ago and David J Laura's

00:01:18   here what would that oh oh that's a

00:01:21   watch Alyssa Frankie welcome welcome to

00:01:28   be incomparable hello and a Kelly

00:01:32   camonte how do you do buckaroos and last

00:01:35   but not least I drag my spouse along

00:01:38   Stephen Chbosky hello nanu-nanu huh yeah

00:01:43   off the rails already and with with

00:01:48   introductions but hey that means I'm

00:01:49   pretty much on pace for many a typical

00:01:52   Jason introduction so I don't feel so

00:01:54   terrible about it but no no no as I said

00:01:59   yes we are here to talk about Wonder

00:02:01   Woman and there are a lot of us who not

00:02:03   only were excited to see the film but

00:02:05   actually got to see it on opening

00:02:07   weekend at least once I think maybe some

00:02:09   of us have seen it more than that so I

00:02:11   think we're going to go around and and

00:02:13   do some some maybe John Syracuse's style

00:02:16   opening statements or just some rough

00:02:18   overall stuff Before we jump into

00:02:20   spoiler territory so so don't don't jump

00:02:23   in with the spoilers right away

00:02:24   but I would like to to kind of hear what

00:02:27   your your opinions are in a general

00:02:29   sense and how many times you've seen

00:02:31   this what it was sort of the experience

00:02:33   was like in the theatre anyone want to

00:02:35   jump in basically I have been dying for

00:02:39   this movie ever since it got greenlit I

00:02:41   am a Wonder Woman fan going all the way

00:02:43   back to my childhood

00:02:45   Super Friends the Lynda Carter TV show

00:02:48   subscribe to the comics for a while

00:02:51   followed the DC Animated universe just

00:02:53   because I loved the character so much

00:02:56   and the movie lived up to my

00:02:59   expectations

00:03:00   beautifully I've left the theater I've

00:03:02   only seen it once so far but I'm going

00:03:04   back and it totally totally satisfied me

00:03:07   awesome Kelly did you see this more than

00:03:10   once I did I saw it three times holy cow

00:03:15   your hero indeed that's about seven

00:03:18   hours yeah so the first time was I have

00:03:22   a regular movie going buddy

00:03:23   so we will go in the afternoon when it's

00:03:26   cheaper because what our schedules will

00:03:27   flex that way and he was complaining

00:03:29   about having nobody to go to movies with

00:03:30   so we've gone and seen stuff and he shot

00:03:35   me a note and said hey I'm going

00:03:36   Thursday night we've got a bunch of

00:03:37   people getting together do you want to

00:03:38   go and I'm like sure so he showed up and

00:03:42   so I actually got to see it with Greg

00:03:45   Rucka whoa dude please tell those in the

00:03:49   audience tonight who don't know who that

00:03:51   is um he's a big deal hmm let's go with

00:03:56   that um he he writes Wonder Woman

00:03:59   currently and actually got to see the

00:04:03   film earlier this year and said that

00:04:07   they hadn't really made any sub citizen

00:04:10   changes so he was looking forward to it

00:04:12   with the score and some some finished CG

00:04:15   and stuff because it didn't have music

00:04:16   when he saw it and and was talking about

00:04:18   how when he went in they really kind of

00:04:22   had to he felt like they were going to

00:04:24   really have to work to impress him and

00:04:25   then they did and so he's been excited

00:04:28   about it for ages and of course couldn't

00:04:29   really say much about it to anybody so

00:04:31   that was really great

00:04:33   um and he's so nice and super friendly

00:04:36   and like it was really great never met

00:04:38   before and I got a chance to actually

00:04:40   sit with him and we chatted a little

00:04:42   before and after the movie and he's so

00:04:44   nice so like on top of everything else

00:04:46   like that was really great and then I

00:04:48   saw it on Friday with some friends of

00:04:51   mine and then again on Saturday with

00:04:53   some friends of mine and one thing that

00:04:55   I noticed is I saw it the first time in

00:04:58   a local theater like an independent

00:05:00   theater that's not a searchlight or

00:05:03   Cinemark or any of those and then I saw

00:05:06   the other the other two times I saw it

00:05:07   in Cinemark theatres and Wow I just sort

00:05:10   of forgot how many commercials um for

00:05:14   those movies when you go to big places

00:05:15   um I really enjoyed getting to see a

00:05:19   movie where a woman was front and center

00:05:22   and the whole thing wasn't about how is

00:05:24   the woman gonna respond to this and I

00:05:27   really felt like the performance of our

00:05:30   two main characters was balanced I feel

00:05:32   like Steve Trevor Chris Pine did a

00:05:34   really good job of I don't know how to

00:05:37   describe it but like he knew it wasn't

00:05:39   his movie when right like I feel like

00:05:43   that was kind of an important thing

00:05:45   because it's not often that the guy that

00:05:47   particularly for you Chris Pine who

00:05:49   spent three movies as the center of the

00:05:51   film is Captain Kirk you know um feeling

00:05:55   like it was sort of interesting to watch

00:05:56   him play second fiddle and so that was

00:05:59   also a really interesting part of it I

00:06:01   want to get into specific stuff later so

00:06:03   I'm just going to leave it at I really

00:06:05   enjoyed it and I would not be sad at all

00:06:08   if I had accidentally ended up with

00:06:10   plans to see it a fourth time today mhm

00:06:13   yeah I I saw it Friday night and I loved

00:06:17   it and I one of the things I was I was

00:06:20   really impressed by was the chemistry

00:06:23   between the two of them I thought that

00:06:25   was delightful they were there were

00:06:27   there were moments straight out of a 30s

00:06:30   or 40s mid film and sometimes a

00:06:31   screwball comedy and sometimes a drama

00:06:33   and they they carried them beautifully

00:06:35   and and you're exactly right about him

00:06:38   knowing that it's not his film and

00:06:40   playing that brilliantly I kind of wish

00:06:45   his Jim Kirk were a little bit more like

00:06:47   Steve Trevor at least in the first two

00:06:48   movies there's a little better in Star

00:06:50   Trek beyond but the

00:06:51   JJ Abrams movies he's a little too bro

00:06:54   and this was much more this this is a

00:06:57   hero this is a good character yeah yeah

00:06:59   I had a little eye rolling when I heard

00:07:01   that he'd been cast because at that

00:07:03   point all we had was two Star Trek

00:07:05   movies and a Jack Ryan movie right you

00:07:07   know to sort of look at and it was and

00:07:09   I'm like oh that hurts a little you know

00:07:12   I wasn't sure how they were gonna do

00:07:13   that but I was I was really impressed

00:07:15   with him and I actually came out of that

00:07:16   with a much higher estimation of Chris

00:07:19   Pine than I did going in nine so Alyssa

00:07:22   what was your experience like so I saw

00:07:26   it on Friday it was a birthday party

00:07:29   actually for one of my gal friends and

00:07:31   walking into the theater it was an

00:07:33   amazing experience in and of itself

00:07:36   there was these two little girls that

00:07:38   were running up the street alongside me

00:07:40   and they ran up and they ran to the

00:07:42   movie poster they started shrieking and

00:07:44   they ran up to the ticket box and they

00:07:45   started shrieking and they were jumping

00:07:47   up and down like absolutely gleeful just

00:07:51   to be able to go and see this the movie

00:07:54   theater was not all women unfortunately

00:07:57   we did not get one of those showings

00:07:59   where I am but the women kind of took it

00:08:02   over it was a very vocal audience but

00:08:06   sort of in the best way possible there

00:08:09   was a lot of cheering for the fanservice

00:08:13   we had with a lovely scene with Chris

00:08:15   Pine and we'll talk later

00:08:19   we talked more about it later but it was

00:08:21   very vocally appreciated by the women in

00:08:24   my audience fans and watches so many

00:08:28   fans of watches in that theater and

00:08:31   everyone was just powered up like every

00:08:34   single fight scene every single amazing

00:08:37   moment from Wonder Woman you could just

00:08:40   hear the appreciation in the audience

00:08:42   just everyone absolutely losing it so I

00:08:45   was really excited you know I think

00:08:47   we've had a lot of women in superhero

00:08:50   movies this is the first time I felt

00:08:52   that this was a very focused female

00:08:58   superhero movie that was really designed

00:09:01   to empower women

00:09:03   and make them feel really like the stars

00:09:05   of this you know we've talked a little

00:09:07   bit but like he always feels like the

00:09:09   second fiddle guy sort of comes in and

00:09:11   takes a lot of the space in these movies

00:09:15   but the journey was entirely about

00:09:17   Wonder Woman and I just came out of

00:09:20   there feeling absolutely fired up and

00:09:22   amazing it was so exciting and I loved

00:09:24   it mm-hmm

00:09:25   I was kind of amazed actually that our

00:09:27   guy I went to an independent theater -

00:09:29   not crowded it was kind of a weird time

00:09:32   from time of day but it was it was a

00:09:34   fairly gender balanced group but there

00:09:37   were a lot of little girls and as the

00:09:39   movie went on they got louder and louder

00:09:40   and louder and just a happier and

00:09:42   cheering and clapping and everybody

00:09:45   clapped at the end of the movie it's not

00:09:48   often I've been in a theater here in

00:09:49   Indiana where that happens so well

00:09:53   Steven I know you saw this once with me

00:09:55   and I don't think either one of us

00:09:57   really knew anything about it going in

00:09:59   did you I the only thing I knew about

00:10:02   Wonder Woman is Lynda Carter because

00:10:04   used to watch Wonder Woman when I was

00:10:05   five or six and I had such a crush on

00:10:07   her years before I knew why I should

00:10:10   have a crush on her you're Canadian me

00:10:14   and then the then I've played Lego

00:10:17   dimensions where the Wonder Woman is a

00:10:19   character this is so I and then there

00:10:22   was this movie Andy and you told me

00:10:23   Erica that we're going to this movie

00:10:25   because you know it's important that we

00:10:26   support this with the dolls I said sir

00:10:27   absolutely let's watch it I had never

00:10:29   seen a DC movie before of the current DC

00:10:32   EU so already it's the best DC movie

00:10:38   that I've seen uh technically it's also

00:10:41   the worst though I suppose it is but if

00:10:43   it was on the Marvel Universe B of which

00:10:46   I've seen every single one this would be

00:10:49   the best Marvel movie I think I just

00:10:50   need to um it was really really good I

00:10:55   think by about twenty or twenty five

00:10:56   minutes and I was hooked

00:10:58   um and and I I just adored that film

00:11:02   tube it's possibly the most out of the

00:11:05   three of us you me and our friend

00:11:07   Annette which kind of surprised me I

00:11:09   thought you were both really full-on on

00:11:10   board with this as much as I was but I

00:11:12   think um my level of enthusiasm talked

00:11:15   to yours

00:11:15   we walked out of the theater and Annette

00:11:17   and I were kind of nodding like yeah I

00:11:19   was those all right and Steven was like

00:11:21   he had stars in his eyes and he was

00:11:22   floating through the party so well Chris

00:11:25   Pine is a handsome man it'd be a fair

00:11:28   yeah yeah this is this is the first

00:11:32   female superhero starring film since

00:11:34   well I mean I guess technically we had

00:11:36   Electra

00:11:37   but I was going to say Supergirl 1984 um

00:11:40   so this is this is this was a big deal

00:11:43   from even before like the moment that it

00:11:47   got greenlit and not only is it

00:11:49   starring gal gadot a whose name I have

00:11:52   been pronouncing wrong a lot so I

00:11:54   apologize and I didn't run that on

00:11:56   purpose but it's also directed by a

00:11:59   woman which i think is kind of an

00:12:00   interesting thing so we've got some

00:12:03   double standards that have been that

00:12:05   it's been sort of subjected to even

00:12:08   before it hit the theaters and even

00:12:10   before anybody anybody saw it

00:12:11   I mean you you'd be surprised by some of

00:12:15   the reviews you know there's a lot of

00:12:18   positive reviews and certainly the movie

00:12:22   has made enough money that I don't think

00:12:24   anybody is seriously going to say that

00:12:26   this wasn't successful but there's

00:12:28   already people attributing the success

00:12:30   of the movie to Zack Snyder there are

00:12:33   people saying that Jenkins is being

00:12:35   hired as a sort of political correctness

00:12:37   nod and that they can't attribute the

00:12:40   success of the movie to her so I'm sorry

00:12:43   no no no the feel of the movie is

00:12:47   obviously obviously a woman's viewpoint

00:12:50   year was not a single shot in those

00:12:53   fight scenes of deliberate let's get a

00:12:56   close-up of her boobs let's get a

00:12:58   close-up you know of this part of her

00:13:00   body the warriors the Amazons fought

00:13:04   like warriors fought just you know there

00:13:07   was no titillation there was nothing

00:13:09   about those fight scenes designed to say

00:13:11   lookie here look at the girls yeah and

00:13:15   you know it it takes so long for that to

00:13:18   sink in because we are so used to how

00:13:21   you know it goes back to comics how a

00:13:23   lot of male artists draw women in comics

00:13:26   that's been transferred a good deal too

00:13:29   the movie universe to the Marvel movies

00:13:31   of you know showing off the pretty

00:13:35   woman's figure instead of showing off

00:13:37   that she can kick ass it's going to be

00:13:39   the the top grossing movie this weekend

00:13:41   I'm really excited about that because

00:13:42   that is math that's that's an objective

00:13:45   thing that's not something like oh

00:13:47   you're just saying you like it because

00:13:49   because you're a girl or it gives you

00:13:52   like her because this or because that

00:13:53   like you can't dismiss math math is not

00:13:56   math was not subject to I don't know in

00:13:58   this society we can try want to but this

00:14:03   is one of the few things where like you

00:14:04   can't just chalk this up to me myself

00:14:07   going well I really liked it well yeah

00:14:09   but there's no but I'm not alone here

00:14:11   right this is not a cult movie this is

00:14:14   not a movie that lives underground and

00:14:15   gets rediscovered 20 years later this is

00:14:17   a hit out of the box yeah and it's all

00:14:20   the one cautionary the one cautionary

00:14:22   thing I'll say is that not to bring

00:14:25   anybody down but just to fire you up for

00:14:27   the next battles that need to be fought

00:14:28   if that Hollywood sort of has a history

00:14:30   of taking movies that were successfully

00:14:33   directed by women on their first go and

00:14:36   giving subsequent movies to male

00:14:38   directors this happened with Twilight

00:14:41   even though you know shattered records

00:14:43   for the time raised a ton of money and

00:14:46   was seen you know generally as the

00:14:49   success subsequent movies getting passed

00:14:51   on to male directors and the female

00:14:54   director getting quite a bit of negative

00:14:57   press related to that of saying that you

00:15:00   know just couldn't work with them moving

00:15:02   forward so keep fighting so that patty

00:15:05   Jenkins can direct everything yeah

00:15:07   whatever comes next after Justice League

00:15:09   like you know we get the November

00:15:10   Justice League and then she directs the

00:15:11   next one yeah that's like I will will

00:15:14   get to my Zack Snyder issue later I have

00:15:17   a Syracuse's statement on Zack Snyder

00:15:19   but but the things that I loved in this

00:15:22   movie were clearly all patty Jenkins and

00:15:25   all filtered to that sensibility and I

00:15:29   have a friend who she doesn't she's not

00:15:32   a big movie person she's really not a

00:15:34   big superhero movie person and I said

00:15:37   you know you might enjoy this partly

00:15:40   because I mean the superior stuff is

00:15:42   superhero it's great

00:15:42   fine it's the human stuff and it's there

00:15:46   is a believability and plausibility in

00:15:49   everything about the human characters

00:15:51   and then in Diana's discovering the

00:15:54   human world that you don't get in a lot

00:15:57   of superhero movies and I mean just the

00:16:00   range of types of characters that

00:16:03   surround her in this movie when have we

00:16:05   seen that in a superhero movie it's it's

00:16:08   really lovely and then there's then

00:16:11   there's a little bit that's Zack Snyder

00:16:12   II so what she does a great job at the

00:16:15   the action sequence it's usually a

00:16:17   sequences in comic book movies bore me

00:16:20   to tears because they usually have an

00:16:23   inevitable outcome which is usually

00:16:25   nobody wins or nobody loses and they're

00:16:28   just you know smashing parked cars for a

00:16:30   few minutes before before it ends here

00:16:33   there's almost like a billeted style to

00:16:35   it where they just sort of slows down

00:16:37   sort of hover in midair we focus on a

00:16:39   move a little bit and then BOOM returns

00:16:41   to like normal speed again like it never

00:16:43   felt dizzying or disorientating or

00:16:46   boring in any way there was always just

00:16:49   enough of those little moves put into

00:16:50   fight scene so that always just was

00:16:52   super interesting and fun to watch with

00:16:55   there are moments in there that almost

00:16:57   look like Alex Ross paintings come to

00:17:00   life which comparison if you don't know

00:17:03   Alex Ross go look him up you know you've

00:17:06   seen his stuff he does all the covers

00:17:08   for aster city he did Kingdom Come and

00:17:10   and it's amazing to me that they managed

00:17:14   to get that look in that style in a lot

00:17:17   of the fight sequences of this and a lot

00:17:18   of the sort of slowed down almost glory

00:17:22   shots right yeah sure I gorgeous I think

00:17:26   another important thing is your rights

00:17:28   even they had consequences it's not just

00:17:30   bashing up cars for five minutes and

00:17:33   then we move on every fight scene had

00:17:35   consequences and they showed the true

00:17:38   sort of human horror of all the

00:17:40   destruction that they're going through I

00:17:41   think my big problem with Marvel movies

00:17:43   lately has it's been you know one big

00:17:46   city destruction after another and you

00:17:49   just sort of move on and there hasn't

00:17:51   been a lot of focus on the horror that

00:17:54   they must be witnessing there

00:17:56   and Wonder Woman wasn't afraid of that

00:17:57   it didn't shy away from that it really

00:18:00   focused in on that horrific element to

00:18:02   every single fight scene which is in

00:18:05   keeping with the tone of the movie you

00:18:07   know setting it during World War one and

00:18:09   having the whole reason for Diana to

00:18:11   emerge from Fennessy era to try and stop

00:18:15   this huge horrific war that they didn't

00:18:18   they didn't sugarcoat it that was the

00:18:20   thing that I really noticed in this was

00:18:22   aftermath there's there's a fair amount

00:18:24   of like aftermath and consequence that's

00:18:26   very visible and very upfront which I

00:18:28   thought was impressive but the thing I

00:18:29   liked about the fight scenes was they

00:18:32   were longer shots yes yes usually I end

00:18:35   up checking out of fight scenes because

00:18:36   you're showing me a fraction of a second

00:18:38   and then a new angle or a new place

00:18:40   where fighting is happening and then you

00:18:42   come back and Herc and jerk and like I

00:18:44   have a TD and I can't keep up and so I

00:18:46   end up just sort of letting it go by and

00:18:49   not really paying attention until the

00:18:50   fighting stops and there's no

00:18:52   consequences so we just go back to

00:18:53   whatever story is happening so I really

00:18:55   liked the the speed manipulation and I

00:18:58   also liked getting to actually see what

00:19:02   was going on and understand what was

00:19:03   going on and then see and understand

00:19:06   those consequences afterwards like

00:19:07   altogether it was much more impactful to

00:19:09   watch the fighting in this film than in

00:19:11   a lot of others it's it's the same

00:19:13   reason Fred Astaire insisted on

00:19:15   full-frame long shot take camera takes

00:19:19   for all the dance sequences in his films

00:19:21   because you need to see the whole thing

00:19:23   it's not elements right you don't get

00:19:27   anything from that you don't get

00:19:28   anything from quick cuts you need to see

00:19:30   the whole performance and and in your

00:19:32   brain realize what went into making that

00:19:34   right yeah and it's a problem with a lot

00:19:37   of superhero movies these days and just

00:19:38   a lot of action movies these days is

00:19:40   that it's so much quick cutting and

00:19:42   there's no you you you don't have to be

00:19:44   decent at this to be able to pull that

00:19:47   off right yeah you can mask a lot with

00:19:50   with a lot of quick cutting and I tend

00:19:52   to be the first person to say that

00:19:53   action sequences are boring of any kind

00:19:56   yes and yet honestly I think they were

00:19:58   my favorite parts of the film and I mean

00:20:00   I kind of walked out going you know I

00:20:02   wonder if all of the other superhero

00:20:04   films like had all of the dude heroes

00:20:07   with long flowing hair and

00:20:08   skirts and super kicky boots if I would

00:20:12   appreciate them a little more and that

00:20:14   might help but I do think that it was

00:20:16   the the framing and the the sense of

00:20:18   place that you have in in each one of

00:20:20   the action sequences that made me more

00:20:22   rooted in it so before we before we talk

00:20:25   more about the consequences of the

00:20:27   action sequences we should probably blow

00:20:29   the spoiler horn but before that is

00:20:30   there anything else that anybody wants

00:20:31   to say is sort of an opening statement

00:20:33   type of a thing quick shout out you know

00:20:36   we've mentioned here and there the

00:20:37   acting but I think gal gadot and Chris

00:20:40   Pine Kelly earlier mentioned balance and

00:20:44   I think that's just such a key element

00:20:46   in the writing and the performances that

00:20:49   the actors brought to the roles because

00:20:51   you have this amazing balance of things

00:20:54   that make up Wonder Woman you've got all

00:20:56   of this education and wisdom from

00:20:58   centuries of growing up with the Amazons

00:21:00   and you smash that against her total

00:21:02   ignorance of the rest of the outside

00:21:04   world and just the her innocence and the

00:21:06   delight she takes in so many things that

00:21:09   she sees compared to you know the things

00:21:11   that bother her or you know are horrify

00:21:14   her and meet Chris Pine that this Steve

00:21:16   Trevor I love this Steve Trevor

00:21:18   um again not taking over the movie he is

00:21:23   just enough of a flirt um he is smart

00:21:28   he is capable he's not played to be some

00:21:31   doofy sidekick that it drags her down

00:21:34   they wind up making a really good team

00:21:36   together and it all just balances so

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00:23:01   well I think that's a very good note too

00:23:03   to bring us to the other part of the

00:23:06   podcast which will balance out this

00:23:07   first pot part and that it after the

00:23:10   spoiler horn so if you don't be spoiled

00:23:11   go see the movie really just go go see

00:23:13   it go

00:23:18   okay so I know that quite often when we

00:23:22   talk about movies on this podcast Jason

00:23:24   sort of takes us through them

00:23:25   sequentially after only one viewing for

00:23:28   some of us that's going to be a tough

00:23:29   thing to do but I do think that we've we

00:23:32   should start with with kind of the

00:23:33   framing element we have the the very

00:23:36   beginning the very end of the movie

00:23:37   which I assume is sort of set and around

00:23:40   the same time as the Man of Steel and um

00:23:43   Batman versus other film doesn't exist

00:23:46   those those I thought it was slightly

00:23:48   after the film we dare not speak its

00:23:50   name

00:23:50   mm-hmm yeah that one and we do have that

00:23:54   which I didn't understand what it was

00:23:56   and I didn't know that if it was if it

00:23:58   was following on to a conversation since

00:24:00   I didn't see that movie that we don't

00:24:02   want a name but she gets this really

00:24:04   cool picture which later on at the end

00:24:06   of the movie we find out that it's her

00:24:08   and and all of her buddies from World

00:24:10   War one which was kind of a I thought

00:24:13   that was a nice frame II touch to sort

00:24:15   of ground it in the world of the DC

00:24:17   movies that exist now in a way that

00:24:20   absolutely makes no difference to the

00:24:22   story that's being told in this film

00:24:24   right right yeah basically I went

00:24:26   looking YouTube very handily has a few

00:24:30   compilations of just the Wonder Woman

00:24:32   minutes from that movie so you know

00:24:35   that's all I needed

00:24:35   that's all I needed but yes apparently

00:24:38   Lex Luthor had found this photo and

00:24:42   Bruce Wayne managed to get a copy of it

00:24:44   and then you know sends it sends it to

00:24:46   her to say you know found this why here

00:24:49   the story sometime and as you said it's

00:24:51   a really neat little framing device for

00:24:53   the people who are in into comics and

00:24:56   into the DC world and it does not

00:24:58   distract the people who aren't sure

00:25:00   what's going on I I was ok with the

00:25:03   photograph and everything else about the

00:25:06   sequence was like shut up and start my

00:25:08   movie I don't I don't give it I don't

00:25:11   give a flying something about any of

00:25:13   this cake uh because yeah and flying

00:25:18   dropkick yeah it was short enough for me

00:25:21   it was short enough not said it was

00:25:22   short it got it got out of the way I

00:25:24   didn't I didn't need any of the

00:25:26   narration you know that was extraneous I

00:25:28   was okay with it I knew nothing

00:25:31   you know of this universe going and so

00:25:33   someone going into this this movie on

00:25:36   this universe I was perfectly okay with

00:25:39   the amount spent on the sort of the

00:25:42   prologue and then the the origin story

00:25:45   aspect of it I thought that was right

00:25:47   nicely patient you know they they kind

00:25:50   of had to do it because they've already

00:25:52   set her in our present day so there had

00:25:55   to be some kind of explanation and some

00:25:57   kind of setup in there yeah I get it I

00:25:59   get it I just don't think any of the

00:26:01   other movies exist so one of the things

00:26:05   I liked about how they did that with the

00:26:06   with the case was a Wayne industries

00:26:10   travel that's all yeah yeah great even

00:26:13   if you don't know about that film um you

00:26:17   still know like we've seen this other

00:26:19   ones that Batman and then like you can

00:26:22   kind of like you can kind of put

00:26:23   together like oh that's right like she's

00:26:25   not she doesn't run with the avengers

00:26:28   she runs with like Batman in them so

00:26:30   like I felt like it was a nice way to

00:26:32   set it up because even people who don't

00:26:34   necessarily know about the other movies

00:26:36   would still be able to be like oh that's

00:26:39   Batman and like know that I thought that

00:26:41   that was really nice and I don't know

00:26:43   about the rest of you the last trailer

00:26:45   before our showing was Justice League so

00:26:48   it so it was sort of a little bit of Yap

00:26:51   teaser to that it was kind of funny

00:26:53   because I felt like I was watching the

00:26:55   trailer for the sequel before I've

00:26:56   watched the movie that I'm there to see

00:26:58   in the first place

00:26:59   right and I and I again I much rather

00:27:02   wanted to see the movie I was there to

00:27:03   see but I was very curious you know what

00:27:05   was in the case like what could Batman

00:27:07   be sending her like I don't know to me

00:27:09   it was it was sort of interesting to

00:27:11   figure out like what that was going to

00:27:13   be so I was I was interested in that

00:27:15   first bit but when I first started

00:27:17   hearing the narration I sort of thought

00:27:18   like is this going to start like Lord of

00:27:21   the Rings where we have to spend five

00:27:22   minutes listening to a disembodied voice

00:27:24   tell me what's what before we get in

00:27:25   because like I don't know how much of

00:27:27   this I need to know and then the armored

00:27:29   truck rolled up and then I was sort of

00:27:30   interested like what is Wayne industries

00:27:33   doing you know and so for me it was a

00:27:36   little bit different so I was at like my

00:27:38   moment of dread was probably much

00:27:40   shorter than shorter than your statement

00:27:43   and I have the the thing with the

00:27:44   narration was it's like okay well who

00:27:46   this is one of the things I learned when

00:27:48   I started writing one-person shows who

00:27:51   is the person talking to and at the end

00:27:53   we find out that none of that narration

00:27:55   is in the email to Bruce so who is she

00:27:58   talking to we don't that was just hurt I

00:28:01   thought that was just sort of her inner

00:28:02   monologue her her sort of I mean it

00:28:05   could be it just didn't connect to

00:28:07   anything I think you could do that

00:28:09   without any narration whatsoever it

00:28:11   would still work it would actually work

00:28:13   better I think hmm maybe well let's

00:28:15   let's jump into the to the mascara and

00:28:18   her her life with the Amazons it starts

00:28:20   off with an adorable adorable child oh

00:28:23   yes my god is very low sotius little

00:28:26   diana who really really wants to fight

00:28:28   and as soon as she starts peeking over

00:28:31   the wall and and sees her her aunt

00:28:35   played by robin wright as a entire I did

00:28:39   not recognize I'm still talking myself

00:28:41   that I did not right and I recognized

00:28:44   her right away and was just like I'm

00:28:46   right cuz I didn't know she was going to

00:28:47   be in this I was like she's in this and

00:28:48   then not only was she in it but she was

00:28:50   playing an older woman with you know by

00:28:53   scars and wrinkles and you know like

00:28:56   somewhat you know flabby arms a little

00:28:58   bit edge not very not very but she

00:29:02   looked like an older woman who was

00:29:03   absolutely kicking asked just and no

00:29:06   question all of it mmm-hmm all of it

00:29:09   yeah yeah the casting of the Amazons in

00:29:11   general there were star athletes hidden

00:29:14   among the like there's a prize-winning

00:29:16   boxer in there all of these women again

00:29:21   female director directing women warriors

00:29:25   not women just dressed up in cute

00:29:28   leather armor and standing around

00:29:30   imposing right and when I think of like

00:29:32   all of the fighting that happens like

00:29:34   one of the moments I think of as Robin

00:29:36   Wright when she flips through the air

00:29:38   and shoots the three arrows at once oh

00:29:40   like that is so ha every time remember

00:29:45   I've seen it three times and every time

00:29:47   like Brett like it was breathtaking

00:29:49   every time and that's why that's one of

00:29:52   those super standout moments is cuz like

00:29:54   even when like I know I I know

00:29:56   what's coming and I know what's coming

00:29:59   because now seeing it twice before still

00:30:01   like huh every time when like launched

00:30:04   up into the air and it's just amazing

00:30:06   and watching that was I know it was a

00:30:08   little bit 3d service but at the same

00:30:10   time holy Wow it's just one of the like

00:30:14   iconic when I think of like the the

00:30:16   still frames from this movie that's one

00:30:18   of the first ones that comes to mind I

00:30:20   think one of the things that really

00:30:22   struck me about this was sort of the

00:30:25   diversity in the background right you

00:30:27   know they really work should bring in

00:30:31   various different types of women from

00:30:33   all races and ethnicities and while I'll

00:30:37   be the first to say I loved the Warriors

00:30:39   to pieces they also show they also

00:30:42   showed a fuller richer the mascara you

00:30:44   know you had senators you had teachers

00:30:46   you had academics you had this whole

00:30:49   society that was there that women were

00:30:52   active in all parts of it of course

00:30:55   because there's only women but how often

00:30:57   do you get to see that sort of ancient

00:30:59   Greek style society where women are in

00:31:03   all of those roles and you're not seeing

00:31:05   you know old white men with big long

00:31:08   beards taking on all of those positions

00:31:10   so that to me was just amazing that they

00:31:14   made it so rich and we took the time to

00:31:17   fully develop this world that they were

00:31:20   living in I was actually surprised at

00:31:22   how much of the movie took place there I

00:31:25   yes yeah I mean because they think it's

00:31:27   not like I showed her entire youth and

00:31:30   on all of her growing up but they gave

00:31:31   you quite a grounding and who this

00:31:32   person was from from a child who is you

00:31:36   know really interested in fighting to a

00:31:37   teenager to the woman that we eventually

00:31:40   see absolutely kicking butt you know

00:31:43   better than anybody else and you know I

00:31:45   liked that they just sort of dribbled

00:31:47   out hints about what her actual history

00:31:50   was and we sort of you know for those of

00:31:52   us who didn't already know discovered it

00:31:54   along with her and I recognized that the

00:31:57   comic books have had multiple different

00:31:59   versions of her origin story depending

00:32:02   on where you are in the comic book canon

00:32:04   but I liked that the way that that it

00:32:07   was sort of dribbled out before we even

00:32:09   get the plane crash

00:32:10   and and before things start start

00:32:13   happening on the island it was it was a

00:32:15   very smart way of starting a very

00:32:17   meditative contemplative you kind of got

00:32:21   into the life of the island which was a

00:32:25   lovely way to establish everything and

00:32:27   and I think this was a very good is this

00:32:30   might be my favorite version of the

00:32:32   origin it just kind of makes sense to me

00:32:36   the way some of them did not yeah that's

00:32:38   I'm very very relieved that they did not

00:32:42   go the route of Diana entering this

00:32:44   competition to see who would win the

00:32:47   right to take Steve back and masking

00:32:48   herself

00:32:49   and because her mother forbade her to

00:32:51   you know they went to it more directly

00:32:53   you know her mother saying look you

00:32:55   can't do this

00:32:56   and Diana basically turning around and

00:32:59   saying well yes I'm going to try so yeah

00:33:03   I love how they handled the decision for

00:33:07   her to go out and take take Steve Trevor

00:33:10   back to the real world yeah she had to

00:33:12   Shannon she had agency throughout the

00:33:14   whole first part you know she was doing

00:33:17   what she wanted to do which was nice

00:33:18   she wasn't sort of pushed into it or

00:33:20   like forced into it that was her choice

00:33:22   and I loved how her mother and the

00:33:25   leader of the of the the colony or

00:33:28   whatever attended the was it called the

00:33:29   island the the island of the Amazon the

00:33:32   island Amazon's was was you know sad and

00:33:35   that she was going but knew that she

00:33:37   couldn't stop her I really like that

00:33:39   aspect of it

00:33:40   mm-hmm yeah and I think that it was

00:33:42   important to establish the place that

00:33:45   she came from and the person that she

00:33:47   was before leaving because so much of

00:33:50   the rest of the movie is about how she

00:33:52   deals with the world outside of her

00:33:54   Island and if you didn't have a good

00:33:56   grounding in that it wouldn't it

00:33:59   wouldn't play out quite as well so the

00:34:01   moment that you see this airplane fly

00:34:03   through and crash I mean that's kind of

00:34:06   a an almost jarring moment because I had

00:34:08   sort of been lulled into a sense of this

00:34:10   place so well that I was like huh

00:34:12   yeah this is this is nice I I like the

00:34:15   blue skies and the and then the first

00:34:16   time they cut to the outside and you see

00:34:19   like with the boats out there and I was

00:34:21   just it was incredibly jarring

00:34:23   we charring which I guess it was for her

00:34:25   to because she never she never seen a

00:34:27   man before yeah one thing I did like

00:34:30   about how they established the mascara

00:34:33   was that they leaned very very subtly

00:34:37   into sort of the queer themes of this

00:34:39   whole island ruck has been explicit in

00:34:43   his run that the mascara was going to be

00:34:45   a place without heteronormativity so

00:34:48   marriage wouldn't be called gay marriage

00:34:51   on an island full of women it's just

00:34:53   going to be marriage there was there was

00:34:56   one moment when Robin Wright is killed

00:34:58   where you have her mother and Diana

00:35:02   coming but there's also another random

00:35:05   unnamed woman who comes up and my first

00:35:08   thought when I saw that was wife that's

00:35:11   definitely got to be her wife mm-hmm and

00:35:14   uh there was also that really just

00:35:16   everything about the boat scene when

00:35:19   Diana and Steve was yeah excellent the

00:35:23   the whole line of men are necessary for

00:35:27   procreation but unnecessary for pleasure

00:35:30   that was the line where my audience

00:35:31   completely lost their like all the girls

00:35:34   were yelling one girl was like yeah girl

00:35:37   our theatre did the same thing I've got

00:35:41   a grin as about to split my face and

00:35:43   chips just sort of looking down I just

00:35:46   laughed yeah that's about right

00:35:49   I think I'm funny but still I love the

00:35:52   one review that was like confusingly she

00:35:55   says this it's like without even looking

00:35:58   I'm like oh that review was written by a

00:35:59   man yeah you like by the Hat I do ever

00:36:03   reviewed it for the Guardian jeepers

00:36:06   oh yeah saw that go by and it was really

00:36:09   awful one of the thing that might be my

00:36:10   favorite images cuz it made me laugh the

00:36:12   most this isn't true but it was one of

00:36:15   the ones that mention something that we

00:36:16   mentioned earlier is a good thing which

00:36:18   was they didn't shoot her all sexy like

00:36:21   at any point and not one of the like

00:36:24   things against it in this review which

00:36:26   should tell all you need to know about

00:36:27   the survey

00:36:29   her for drools or something I don't

00:36:32   remember exactly what the phrase was but

00:36:33   hey it was grammatically awful B it was

00:36:37   an awful image to try to put in

00:36:39   someone's head and see this movie didn't

00:36:41   need that unless you're going to start

00:36:43   doing that to Thor so yeah yeah I think

00:36:47   I think that review like referred to

00:36:49   like it ignored the SNM origins of the

00:36:51   comic or something bla bla bla like so

00:36:54   have most following versions of the

00:36:57   comment exactly and I gotta say there is

00:37:01   no way to shoot gal gadot poorly so I

00:37:05   mean what is his problem and do you want

00:37:08   proof of that she was five months

00:37:09   pregnant when they did some of the

00:37:11   reshoots and they green-screen to her

00:37:13   Tommy so that they could get the the

00:37:15   shots in so yeah think about that for a

00:37:18   minute some of what she was doing there

00:37:20   was more than halfway through a

00:37:21   pregnancy and she still yeah Wow Wow

00:37:26   well and and some of it was her fight

00:37:28   and double she's not actually the

00:37:31   greatest stage combat person but they

00:37:35   did a very good job of masking that I

00:37:37   believed it yeah yeah yeah it was

00:37:39   totally believable yeah I liked Alec

00:37:41   Guinness as obi-wan to and he wasn't the

00:37:43   best sword fighter he was great in this

00:37:49   before we leave the mascara which we

00:37:52   probably should before too long or this

00:37:53   podcast is going to be as long as the

00:37:55   movie and we don't want that we can't go

00:37:56   back yeah we we have to talk about the

00:38:01   the purple hot tub scene we've mentioned

00:38:04   to watch but I please let's talk about

00:38:07   that scene I think I think it is

00:38:09   important that you know we we mentioned

00:38:11   that we we haven't we didn't have shots

00:38:13   of gal gadot that were all like you know

00:38:15   cheesecake II and and we didn't we

00:38:17   really didn't have terribly cheese or

00:38:19   beef cakey I guess shots of Chris Pine

00:38:22   either but he was the one that was sort

00:38:25   of the most objectified spell oh yeah

00:38:28   it's certainly the most exposed how did

00:38:31   you how did your theaters react to that

00:38:32   I'm curious Oh ours how old are you

00:38:36   Larry Asst yes and lots of giggles um

00:38:39   and especially when because because it's

00:38:42   framed

00:38:43   very carefully in the beginning and then

00:38:45   when it goes to the full shot and you

00:38:46   could hear kind of gasps in the back of

00:38:48   the room going oh my god they did the

00:38:50   full shot yeah and and but you know and

00:38:54   again played it beautifully under played

00:38:57   you know it was just it was exactly the

00:38:59   right tone for it it was there were very

00:39:01   appreciative women and if you should

00:39:03   have met in my audience had the sale

00:39:06   yeah yep and even the you know that the

00:39:08   careful framing of her looking down and

00:39:11   you can't see what she's looking at and

00:39:13   saying what's that and of course we you

00:39:14   know mentioned the watch and and it's oh

00:39:16   whoa it's a it's a watch and and that's

00:39:19   that is sort of the first moment that

00:39:20   you get a little bit of of the adorable

00:39:24   sort of naivete I guess that's not

00:39:28   really the word that I want innocent yes

00:39:30   search for innocence about some of the

00:39:32   things that happen off of off of her

00:39:33   Island and you know you let this little

00:39:35   little thing tell you what to do and

00:39:37   when to do it and that was it was which

00:39:40   has another double meaning to you let

00:39:44   that little thing tell you what to do

00:39:47   yeah and I gotta say I am not at all

00:39:50   inclined to that way and even I kind of

00:39:52   went wow he's pretty he is in fact above

00:39:57   average what's the great me share that

00:40:01   mm-hmm

00:40:02   that got a great got a great laugh in

00:40:05   our in our theater as well that day yep

00:40:09   so of course she decides for herself

00:40:11   that the you know mom you can't tell me

00:40:14   what I do I do what I want I'm gonna go

00:40:16   and and decides to leave which and I I I

00:40:19   didn't know if she was just going to

00:40:23   sneak off and I was really glad that she

00:40:25   didn't because she got the goodbye scene

00:40:28   with you know all these people that she

00:40:30   is leaving behind forever and ever

00:40:33   yeah I actually have a question for you

00:40:35   guys about that because this is the

00:40:36   thing that I've wondered about and I'm

00:40:38   sort of taking this informal poll so mom

00:40:40   says uh you know that if you leave you

00:40:43   may never return now does she mean you

00:40:46   can't or does she mean it's possible you

00:40:50   won't because I couldn't really tell if

00:40:53   what she meant was your

00:40:55   check it out is one way or if she meant

00:40:57   it's possible that once you leave you

00:41:00   know you you may never be able to find

00:41:02   your way back here and I couldn't really

00:41:04   tell what she meant I took it as

00:41:06   possible yes I took it as possible yeah

00:41:09   that you might not come back

00:41:10   yeah and I thought so too because I

00:41:12   thought the I thought it was carefully

00:41:15   written to sort of leave that door open

00:41:17   and certainly the way the line was

00:41:18   delivered I thought I thought that there

00:41:20   was a bit of an emphasis on May so I

00:41:22   didn't think that meant that the door

00:41:24   was closed which makes me happy because

00:41:26   I would I mean honestly I would be happy

00:41:28   with an entire movie

00:41:29   I'm Thomas Kira I would have a I would

00:41:31   totally have a rogue one or yeah road

00:41:33   one style movie of of just stuff that

00:41:36   happens on the mascara like the the war

00:41:38   we heard about with the book mm-hmm yeah

00:41:40   you know like the book was a really nice

00:41:42   sequence which i think is probably not

00:41:44   going to get the attention it deserves

00:41:45   instantly yeah I think she probably

00:41:48   realized it at some point while Diana

00:41:51   was out in the real world so to speak

00:41:53   she would discover her true identity and

00:41:55   her true destiny and you know as a god

00:41:58   who would want to come back to you know

00:42:00   the cocoon again so to speak I think

00:42:03   there'd be a much greater world for her

00:42:05   out there and I loved her question who

00:42:07   would I be if I stayed right yes and it

00:42:10   might be metaphorical too you know right

00:42:12   the fact that she is a God you you may

00:42:14   never come back as and you may never

00:42:16   come back to this philosophy this world

00:42:19   as a metaphysical space its existence

00:42:22   exactly we can't go home again and and I

00:42:25   can't I can't imagine that they would

00:42:26   totally close the door or never

00:42:27   returning there as a plot device but it

00:42:31   it works either way it works if they

00:42:33   want to go back it works if they never

00:42:34   go back I mean it did seem kind of I was

00:42:37   interested that it that everybody from

00:42:40   the Army was just or the Navy I guess

00:42:42   was was able to just plow right in there

00:42:44   I assume that they were protected by

00:42:46   something but I guess they're just

00:42:47   disguised is that the case because who

00:42:49   else it's that that sort of a cloaking

00:42:52   device or you know the fog right yeah so

00:42:55   it seems like if she could find her way

00:42:57   back to that same location she might be

00:42:59   able to just warn her back in but but as

00:43:02   you said Steven you know she probably

00:43:04   won't won't be the same person

00:43:05   regardless you know it's like when you

00:43:07   go home from college for the first time

00:43:08   yours

00:43:08   not the same person anymore right

00:43:11   mm-hmm-hmm so yes then we get the lovely

00:43:14   lovely boat scene with the two of them

00:43:17   and yes the whole and that was beautiful

00:43:20   I mean that was he sleep next to me that

00:43:22   was that was like straight out of a

00:43:26   preston sturges film right just this

00:43:28   very just crackling comic dialogue but

00:43:32   also human and and just filled with

00:43:35   character and and I mean even his sort

00:43:38   of fumbling and going well well well I'm

00:43:40   above average right you know just sort

00:43:43   of like trying trying not to be the

00:43:46   matinee idol right nice yep and I knew I

00:43:50   knew that Chris Pine could do comedy

00:43:52   because he he is funny in in a lot of

00:43:55   places in the Star Trek films but this

00:43:57   was a different kind of comedy which I

00:44:00   really appreciated

00:44:01   I will admit that I I had trouble

00:44:04   differentiating Steve here from from

00:44:08   Kirk because that's the only thing I'd

00:44:10   ever seen him as so I really did keep

00:44:12   seeing him as Kirk most of the way

00:44:13   through the movie but that doesn't mean

00:44:15   I enjoyed his performance any less he

00:44:17   was still he was really good and no he

00:44:18   wasn't playing exactly the same

00:44:19   character it was just in my mind but it

00:44:22   was moments like yeah that helped yeah

00:44:24   and I had the opposite effect I kept

00:44:26   marveling about you know that you know

00:44:29   this is not Kirk like this is heat Steve

00:44:31   Trevor he's got this totally new

00:44:33   character going and I love it this this

00:44:35   is I always think of this when I see

00:44:37   things like this my mother used to say

00:44:39   this about some actors she and she

00:44:42   thought that about George Clooney she

00:44:44   would totally have thought this about

00:44:45   Chris Pine that they are just there's a

00:44:48   performance that where they become a a

00:44:51   movie star and this might be it it's

00:44:55   it's that same kind of you know it's a

00:44:57   very casual very you know totally at

00:44:59   ease Clooney has the same kind of

00:45:02   comfort in these kind of roles yeah it's

00:45:05   it's it's it shows that you know if

00:45:09   they're any guys watching this movie

00:45:11   that you don't need to do what many

00:45:13   generations of men have done well

00:45:15   actually do you do need to do what many

00:45:17   generations of men

00:45:18   told women over the decades and

00:45:20   millennia is to know your place I there

00:45:24   is a place for men and you know he's not

00:45:26   subservient he's not as you said earlier

00:45:28   ELISA he's not weak he is strong at his

00:45:32   role but he knows where he isn't and

00:45:35   that's where Diana comes in um for me I

00:45:38   think I mean I I love I love the movie

00:45:41   and everything else but I think honestly

00:45:43   the the role of Steve Trevor and

00:45:46   especially the way that Chris Pine plays

00:45:48   it kind of reminds me of Han Solo in the

00:45:51   first Star Wars film and that there's a

00:45:53   lot of mystic mystic mumbo jumbo going

00:45:57   on and like you know Amazon I mean Korea

00:45:59   is a super serious place where not the

00:46:02   humor goes down there's a lot of I must

00:46:04   find Ares in that sort of thing and he

00:46:06   sort of levels it he sort of brings it

00:46:08   down to sort of like just a just a wry

00:46:10   amount of cynicism just to keep everyone

00:46:12   just sort of grounded a little bit and

00:46:14   keep it real a little bit and that's

00:46:15   that was successful to the movie if they

00:46:17   you know it prevented it from becoming

00:46:20   too much of a DC Philip let's put it

00:46:22   that way yeah I think when I'm cleaning

00:46:26   it I think one of the things I really

00:46:28   loved about that scene is that Diana is

00:46:30   uh earnest and not hung up on social

00:46:36   convention the way Steve Trevor is but

00:46:38   she's not innocent either you know

00:46:40   they're having all these conversations

00:46:41   and she you know never seen a man before

00:46:44   but she has read plenty she understands

00:46:48   what goes on sometimes between men and

00:46:50   women she just doesn't have the hang-up

00:46:52   about sleeping alongside men right she

00:46:56   knows what she does and does not want to

00:46:58   do she's perfectly happy either way but

00:47:01   practically speaking it's better for

00:47:02   both of them to sleep up on the front of

00:47:04   the boat where they can stretch out and

00:47:06   I thought she played that whole

00:47:09   fish-out-of-water thing with so much

00:47:12   earnestness that it never felt like we

00:47:15   were taking Diana down a peg by putting

00:47:17   her in a new environment she was ready

00:47:19   to learn she was ready to be out there

00:47:21   but some things about what women are

00:47:23   expected to do in the early 20th century

00:47:26   are just incredibly silly

00:47:29   and I like that they move the movie try

00:47:31   cuz apparently that the comics starting

00:47:33   World War two I like it yes World War

00:47:36   one because there's yes you know what we

00:47:38   don't even have the vote but by World

00:47:40   War one and so there's on there's even

00:47:42   more restrictions on women in that time

00:47:45   period to post them out of their dress

00:47:47   their duty in society that sort of thing

00:47:48   so there's even more barriers to sort of

00:47:50   smash down I think if if you know that's

00:47:54   the the you know always trying to sort

00:47:58   of like stifle the reveal of her costume

00:48:00   until until the grand moment in no-man's

00:48:02   land it feels more natural here because

00:48:04   all your barely dress - you know

00:48:06   nineteen seventeen or eighteen of not

00:48:08   dress yeah yeah yeah what's gonna be

00:48:10   like a USO two or something if she was

00:48:12   wearing that outfit in World War two so

00:48:13   there would be as as out of place if you

00:48:16   know what I mean right yes right yeah

00:48:18   that was a good move I think the World

00:48:20   War one move was brilliant it would it's

00:48:22   kind of funny because the very first

00:48:23   trailer I saw I was like wait a minute

00:48:25   that's World War one isn't it and then I

00:48:27   second-guess myself going like no no she

00:48:29   started in World War two and then yes

00:48:32   they did choose World War one number one

00:48:34   distances itself from Captain America a

00:48:36   bit which I think was a good idea and

00:48:38   number two as you all said you know the

00:48:41   the division between gender roles much

00:48:44   stronger and also the fact that World

00:48:48   War one was the first global modern

00:48:52   conflict killing people by the millions

00:48:55   that ties in with uh with the mythos

00:49:00   that they used of Ares causing all of

00:49:03   these problems and Wonder Woman having

00:49:04   to go try to kill Ares I think you know

00:49:08   World War two yes horrible and massive

00:49:11   in its own way but that was the second

00:49:14   time around and people had at least a

00:49:16   grasp of of death on this scale by then

00:49:20   what I think World War one fit in with

00:49:22   the themes better that they created with

00:49:24   the Wonder Woman origin story with her

00:49:27   conflict with Ares but also with with

00:49:30   the whole thing of you know Ares idea

00:49:33   that I don't actually do this it's them

00:49:36   they do this and so it doesn't matter if

00:49:38   you kill me because they'll keep doing

00:49:40   this so that kind of

00:49:42   works to go all right you know not to

00:49:43   get ahead of ourselves plot wise here

00:49:45   but at the end when yes we've stopped it

00:49:49   in World War one is over and we don't

00:49:51   even call it World War one it's the

00:49:52   great war to end all wars and of course

00:49:54   it doesn't and we know that and the

00:49:57   other the other thing I think which was

00:49:59   a very smart decision on their part was

00:50:01   at the end when Ares well see again I'm

00:50:05   getting hit myself Franco but at the

00:50:07   very end when Ares has been dispatched

00:50:08   and everyone is sort of released from

00:50:12   that spell for a little bit and you see

00:50:15   the the Americans and the German

00:50:17   soldiers kind of relieved and everything

00:50:19   it's a little easier to watch German

00:50:21   soldiers like that when they're not

00:50:22   wearing swastikas that's what I was

00:50:24   thinking was moving to World War one

00:50:26   meant no swastika oh yeah yeah yeah and

00:50:29   teenagers boys yeah and young teenage

00:50:33   boys because that World War one was that

00:50:36   the first one to take an entire

00:50:38   generation of men and throw them into

00:50:40   this conflict and one thing that I liked

00:50:42   as as as a Canadian is that oftentimes

00:50:45   Hollywood will turn World War 2 into an

00:50:47   American war true whereas water 1

00:50:51   America ride very late

00:50:53   this is unapologetically set in Belgium

00:50:55   you know it's a Belgian village it gets

00:50:57   destroyed there are Germans uh all about

00:51:01   Europe exactly it's all about Europe and

00:51:03   I thought it was a from an American

00:51:05   movie that was that was somewhat bold to

00:51:07   sort of like take that decision to move

00:51:09   it away from the origins of the comic

00:51:10   and place it in a tear in an era that

00:51:13   most Americans are a lot less familiar

00:51:15   with Kelly what were you going to say

00:51:16   yeah the thing I liked about also doing

00:51:19   that was I feel like if they had tried

00:51:22   to do this with World War two Steve

00:51:24   comes out of World War two and tries to

00:51:27   sort of sell them on helping him stop

00:51:32   the war that it's going to be a harder

00:51:34   sell because like you guys have done

00:51:36   this once already and I felt like that

00:51:38   moment when he said you know millions of

00:51:41   people women and children slaughtered

00:51:43   weapons like nothing you have ever seen

00:51:46   it's the end of the world

00:51:48   that only could have been effective in

00:51:51   World War one because you know by the

00:51:53   time you get to World War two everything

00:51:54   has to have an asterisk

00:51:55   I know we said this once before but now

00:51:57   we mean it you know I know we tried to

00:51:59   tell you it was the war to end all wars

00:52:00   but here we are again and so I really

00:52:03   felt like that was one of the smart

00:52:05   things to do with it and then also I

00:52:07   felt like the current political climate

00:52:10   and I don't know how much this entered

00:52:12   into it but you know now with less

00:52:14   swastikas was a super smart move on

00:52:17   their part because it doesn't derail the

00:52:19   discussion of the film right into

00:52:21   something political whether you're

00:52:23   talking about politics that are politics

00:52:25   now and I thought that that was also a

00:52:26   really smart way to just sidestep all of

00:52:29   that entirely and I really liked how

00:52:31   they did that and I liked that it wasn't

00:52:34   here and I liked that it wasn't an

00:52:36   American war and Americans charging in

00:52:38   to save the day and like when you look

00:52:41   at who charges in you know the little

00:52:45   fellowship that gets together to go off

00:52:48   and stop the war is a woman who is

00:52:52   basically not from Earth you know I mean

00:52:55   only technically in that she's made of

00:52:57   clay um you know so we've got her we

00:53:00   have an American we have a Scotsman and

00:53:03   we have a Native American who has I

00:53:07   think one of the a very nice moment with

00:53:09   Diana in his own right when they have

00:53:11   the discussion at the campfire that we

00:53:12   could talk about right and I and Sammy

00:53:16   who was from I don't know where but I

00:53:19   think his Egyptian Turkey I was from

00:53:22   Turkey yeah okay oh well thanks oh and

00:53:25   it was kind of neat that that little

00:53:26   band because you know first I'm

00:53:28   wondering what I could do do we need

00:53:29   this we had you know Captain America had

00:53:31   his ragtag group of folks do we need

00:53:33   this and then I went looking online

00:53:34   that's actually a callback to a DC comic

00:53:38   property the Black Hawk squadron and

00:53:40   world war two so it's like it's an

00:53:42   easter egg I'll allow it and it's a

00:53:43   really good Easter Egg yeah and I really

00:53:46   enjoyed watching the chemistry between

00:53:48   all of them like again Jay casting like

00:53:51   this was a really fun group of people I

00:53:54   could totally imagine them after

00:53:57   spending all day shooting the scene

00:53:58   where they celebrate with beers that

00:54:00   they all go out and celebrate with beers

00:54:01   like I could envision

00:54:03   that one of my favorite moments is when

00:54:05   when they're talking they're sort of

00:54:07   getting to know one another in samia's

00:54:09   you know I always wanted to be an actor

00:54:11   but I am the wrong the wrong race I'm

00:54:14   the wrong person color yeah we're on

00:54:15   color and I immediately I wanted to see

00:54:20   a movie with the rest of them again I

00:54:21   just want to see them doing stuff

00:54:23   because they all of them were great

00:54:25   characters and he was delightful and

00:54:27   that is such a heartbreaking line and it

00:54:29   is a very meta line yes in its I think I

00:54:33   think that that that group and Diana's

00:54:35   place in it is really important to to

00:54:38   show us how she is discovering the world

00:54:41   outside and and you know later on when

00:54:44   she gets to the point where she's having

00:54:46   her conversation slash showdown with

00:54:48   Ares the the feelings that she's

00:54:50   developed for these people in the way

00:54:51   that she has come to know them it's a

00:54:54   big part of how and why she's able to

00:54:56   make the decision she does toward the

00:54:58   end so yeah the the travel along with

00:55:00   with these folks is is important in that

00:55:02   those relationships deepen as she goes

00:55:04   but I think it's I think the film does a

00:55:07   nice job of showing the relationships

00:55:10   they're sort of blooming I mean they

00:55:11   already have their little their little

00:55:13   team and she's getting us there for the

00:55:15   fresh part but when you see them

00:55:17   reacting to her jumping up and you know

00:55:19   running across no-man's land which was

00:55:21   an amazing amazing yes it's it was that

00:55:27   was just such a cool thing because you

00:55:29   get to see them sort of discovering what

00:55:32   she really is and each person's reaction

00:55:35   to that and then the fact that you know

00:55:36   it's a it's a war movie trope that

00:55:39   battle brings people together so yes

00:55:41   though when they're having the beers

00:55:42   afterwards and they're celebrating it it

00:55:44   feels earned and it feels like they have

00:55:47   taken a step on there in their

00:55:50   relationship it's great and one of the

00:55:52   things I loved about them was they

00:55:54   didn't care like that that she was a

00:55:57   girl they didn't like and well I won't

00:55:59   say they didn't care but it didn't seem

00:56:01   to matter to them that she was that they

00:56:03   were gonna drop her off at the war that

00:56:05   she was going to go off and do some sort

00:56:07   of fighting or something like they just

00:56:09   sort of took her at face value and then

00:56:11   when that value changed like

00:56:14   they didn't and I thought that that was

00:56:15   really great and wasn't like they sort

00:56:17   of treated her with kid gloves or

00:56:19   anything yeah you know like before they

00:56:22   date yet it

00:56:23   they internalized she can do that Wow

00:56:25   okay let's use this one she made small

00:56:28   crab for that guy in the bar yeah they

00:56:30   realized she can handle it but then even

00:56:33   after that one of the small things I

00:56:35   noticed in the movie is when they're

00:56:36   headed to the boat to go meet chief as

00:56:41   they're walking and they're having the

00:56:43   conversation about a liar a murderer a

00:56:45   smuggler Charlie keeps sticking his arm

00:56:48   out to her side to keep people from

00:56:50   bumping into her mm-hmm yeah and I

00:56:53   thought that was just a really kind

00:56:55   thing and that seemed like like they

00:56:57   were very friendly even then you know

00:56:59   that he was like you you know that he

00:57:00   had a certain amount of respect for her

00:57:02   you know like as a woman like he would

00:57:04   have opened the door for her you know or

00:57:05   whatever I felt like they they sort of

00:57:07   were we're still kind of formal and he

00:57:09   was kind of you know trying to make sure

00:57:10   that she wasn't getting bumped into by

00:57:13   all these people and I thought that was

00:57:14   a really a very small moment that was

00:57:17   very nice that I really enjoyed and one

00:57:20   I loved when they're in the town once

00:57:22   they've saved the town and they're

00:57:24   celebrating and we mean it's not like we

00:57:28   take time to get to know anybody there

00:57:30   but we get to know the town we get to

00:57:32   know the the atmosphere of it and the

00:57:34   feeling of it and that comes back in

00:57:36   devastating manner later in the movie

00:57:38   yes oh my god

00:57:40   oh that comes again to the feeling of

00:57:42   there are consequences to things yes

00:57:44   they really didn't shy away from making

00:57:47   us fall in love with this little town

00:57:50   where they found a moment of peace in

00:57:52   this war and this was Diana's big first

00:57:56   triumph against this war of saving these

00:57:59   people saving this town and that all got

00:58:02   taken away so it's a very good moment of

00:58:05   a human tragedy in the loss of the

00:58:08   village and the personal tragedy for

00:58:10   Diana to lose all of these people that

00:58:12   she had just saved you know I thought

00:58:15   that was so well done I can't believe

00:58:17   they went there I can't believe they

00:58:19   they really committed to that and didn't

00:58:21   back off from it and I think it was also

00:58:23   a kind of twofold important scene for

00:58:27   developing the

00:58:28   relationship between Diana and Steve

00:58:30   because during the battle you actually

00:58:33   have him running out with his with his

00:58:35   buddies and you know getting that big

00:58:36   piece of metal and doing the shield

00:58:39   thing so it showed us he seen them do it

00:58:41   before I love that bit too he was that

00:58:43   he attention to to the battle enough and

00:58:46   recognized that this is this is a thing

00:58:49   that she is capable of this is the thing

00:58:51   that I am not capable of I am literally

00:58:53   going to bend down and and kneel so that

00:58:57   she can do this thing that that is

00:58:59   amazing and then I catch you steps on my

00:59:01   back yep yes girls continue kicking ass

00:59:05   right there and the beauty of it is it's

00:59:07   both you know saying here I can be

00:59:11   subservient and you know you can take

00:59:13   the primary role and it's also saying

00:59:14   I'm a really smart tactical yeppers

00:59:17   right to do this as a team player and

00:59:19   that's the thing you know yes she's

00:59:21   taking the brunt of it but they are

00:59:22   functioning as a team one of the things

00:59:24   I also liked about that was the way they

00:59:26   portrayed the Scottish sharpshooters

00:59:29   PTSD riot in that everyone was super

00:59:33   understanding and respectful of what it

00:59:37   was that he was going through because

00:59:39   that was also a major theme to come out

00:59:41   of world war one is that you have all of

00:59:43   these young men coming back with this

00:59:46   incredible trauma and they don't really

00:59:48   know how to cope with that how to deal

00:59:51   with that how to diagnose or treat it

00:59:54   and a lot of survivors with PTSD and

00:59:57   other forms of trauma were not treated

00:59:59   very well

00:59:59   very well

01:00:00   all right as a result of it so it was

01:00:02   kind of nice to see this movie address

01:00:06   it in a way that this group of people is

01:00:08   going to understand the trauma that he

01:00:10   is going through and be respectful of

01:00:12   him and find other ways to work around

01:00:15   it I felt like that was another thing

01:00:17   that um sort of gave Diana evidence that

01:00:23   that man is more than what Ares is is

01:00:27   chalking up to them and I read that was

01:00:31   one of the things I really enjoyed was

01:00:32   that moment where she looked over and

01:00:34   all three of them are like I'm out and

01:00:36   they just held hands and put their heads

01:00:39   together and waited for the end and I

01:00:42   was heartbroken for them and yes I felt

01:00:45   like them taking care of Charlie like he

01:00:48   just that he is who he is and and you

01:00:52   know he doesn't mean anything by it and

01:00:53   they were very understanding of him and

01:00:55   like chief still has a good relationship

01:00:57   with Steve you who took this from you

01:01:00   his people and you know and Sammy's

01:01:03   declaration of I'm just the wrong color

01:01:05   like all of them it was exactly what

01:01:09   Sammy said everyone's fighting their own

01:01:11   battles just as you're fighting yours

01:01:12   and I really liked that they all had

01:01:15   this this love and affection for each

01:01:17   other genuinely that Diana was getting

01:01:20   and so the demonstration you know the

01:01:22   love that she believes in is not just

01:01:24   I'm in love with Steve it was they love

01:01:28   each other and they care about each

01:01:29   other because they'd had this moment in

01:01:30   the village with all these other people

01:01:32   you know in that moment when like chief

01:01:33   is refusing payment and you know Sammy's

01:01:36   bringing beers around to everybody and

01:01:38   like all of those little things that

01:01:39   happened in the village where we really

01:01:41   get those moments that was really

01:01:43   fundamentally kind and it was one of the

01:01:46   parts of people that I like to think

01:01:49   about and Charlie was singing he hasn't

01:01:51   sung in years yeah it was it was it was

01:01:55   kind of a breakthrough for for a lot of

01:01:57   them in many ways and I had to say that

01:01:59   I found the the sequence with Diana and

01:02:02   Steve dancing at the end and then you

01:02:04   know going up and getting on it on much

01:02:06   more sweetly sincere than a lot of

01:02:10   similar romantic scene

01:02:12   in other movies whether they be

01:02:14   superhero movies or not because yeah

01:02:16   this is right this is a film where

01:02:18   sincerity and earnestness are not

01:02:21   treated as a syrupy they are just right

01:02:24   for character and they are a part of my

01:02:27   world and and they're surrounded by all

01:02:29   of these you know this darkness and

01:02:30   these battles that like we keep saying

01:02:32   have actual consequences it feels like

01:02:35   like amidst all of that it's a much more

01:02:38   realistic feeling relationship right

01:02:41   it's going under it's under played it's

01:02:44   realistic it's human and I loved that

01:02:47   you know

01:02:47   it starts off where it's like well

01:02:49   you're you're standing awfully close

01:02:51   because evil yeah that's going to do

01:02:54   this yeah that's wrong and in most

01:02:57   movies and TV these days it would

01:02:59   continue being witty and snappy and

01:03:01   funny and it just gets very quiet as

01:03:03   they both realize oh oh you are standing

01:03:06   a little close and then we go to another

01:03:08   place where they're going to stand a lot

01:03:10   closer and there's no there's no

01:03:12   smirking about it there's no hey look at

01:03:14   me I'm above average right it's just

01:03:17   this is the next step that we're taking

01:03:19   and that's that right and and then it

01:03:23   fades out to the next scene

01:03:24   it doesn't dwell on that but what I love

01:03:27   is that you know probably a typically a

01:03:30   male directed film would probably have

01:03:32   Steve Trevor go into that room close the

01:03:35   door

01:03:35   crisp I've ever in this movie hesitates

01:03:38   wonders where this is going is this is

01:03:41   this what I think it is okay I guess it

01:03:44   is now I close the door he you know he

01:03:46   didn't assume he didn't assume that he

01:03:48   was going to get some there he you know

01:03:50   it was what Diana wanted and though

01:03:52   that's when he closed the door that's

01:03:53   what I really loved about that it was a

01:03:54   beautiful moment yeah and it wasn't a

01:03:57   prize you know Diana wasn't a prize that

01:04:01   Steve had won and she was active had

01:04:05   agency in that very much you know a

01:04:08   driving participant in all of that

01:04:10   happening which is just so so rare to

01:04:13   see in any movie not just in the

01:04:16   superhero genre that that was that

01:04:19   absolutely made that scene for me mm-hmm

01:04:22   okay well I want to we need to keep

01:04:24   things really here so I want to take a

01:04:25   sort of

01:04:26   sharp left turn and actually talk about

01:04:27   the the the villains in this this and

01:04:31   I'm not talking about areas yet who

01:04:33   actually did anybody else figure out who

01:04:35   Aires was like and his first appearance

01:04:37   on screen okay you know he had an

01:04:39   inkling and then I forgot that I'd had

01:04:42   that inkling until the reveal I see

01:04:44   first basically you have David Thewlis

01:04:46   in a movie so he's going to be a bad guy

01:04:48   and because not always a bad guy well my

01:04:51   name is Luton I know it's my problem I'm

01:04:54   like reefer yeah whooping can't be the

01:04:56   bad guy thing see I've been watching

01:04:58   Fargo so I knew he was going to play uh

01:05:00   and but but it was literally Chekhov's

01:05:05   Aires they kept harping on it and

01:05:07   harping on it and harping on it and with

01:05:10   all of that you kind of go yes we're

01:05:12   gonna find out that it's not really a

01:05:14   big deal because we know that the second

01:05:17   world war comes along but we're gonna

01:05:19   run into him and it's probably gonna be

01:05:21   David Thewlis I didn't mean to go Casey

01:05:23   Kasem there but that's how I should be

01:05:27   by surprise maybe I was clueless as to

01:05:29   how superhero movies work like this but

01:05:32   I I just thought he was a kindly I

01:05:33   thought he was gonna like the Ray fine

01:05:35   it's kind of like my work you in the

01:05:37   body yeah and then like gives them the

01:05:39   money and like yeah she can run it from

01:05:41   my office and I've said I've said this

01:05:44   before

01:05:45   it's totally from being a writer I I

01:05:48   think about plot things and I think

01:05:50   about it's it's when a movie can

01:05:52   surprise me and still work in context of

01:05:55   the movie that is a fantastic thing and

01:05:57   it happens to me very rarely I loved

01:06:00   this anyway but yeah I knew instantly as

01:06:03   soon as he walks is like up there is

01:06:05   well it's because it's got any surprises

01:06:07   right for seeing it again is now that

01:06:10   you know when you go back and you watch

01:06:12   then all of it makes perfect sense when

01:06:16   you go in knowing who were after yeah

01:06:18   because of course he's gonna send them

01:06:20   to mess it up because he thinks they're

01:06:21   gonna mess it up in the wars gonna get

01:06:22   to continue and then he and he totally

01:06:24   is playing them from the moment they

01:06:28   show up and when you start there then

01:06:31   you know when you know going in that

01:06:33   Lupin is the bad guy uh-un

01:06:37   up you know when he for 21st walks into

01:06:41   that war room where he's trying to talk

01:06:44   about the Armistice and and he's so

01:06:46   ineffectual at it right yeah it's

01:06:48   getting interrupted and talked over and

01:06:50   huh you know it's like no he's he's

01:06:54   playing something but at first like I

01:06:57   didn't at first I didn't see it that way

01:06:59   at all and then when I watched it the

01:07:00   second time I could see that um it

01:07:04   wasn't surprised at the lady in the war

01:07:07   room it was surprised that she's off the

01:07:09   island now right no it's an interesting

01:07:14   turn of events

01:07:15   I assume she's here for me and I felt

01:07:18   like that was a big moment for him which

01:07:21   is you know the first time we see him

01:07:23   because like that I feel like that's

01:07:26   what's driving the rest of his actions

01:07:28   through the movie is that he recognizes

01:07:29   Diana and when you go in knowing that's

01:07:33   who that's what's gonna happen

01:07:35   it's a little bit different when you

01:07:37   watch him because I was like okay I'm

01:07:38   gonna watch him this time now that I

01:07:39   know that he's the bad guy because you

01:07:41   see the weird stuff happened with

01:07:43   Ludendorff and all of the things that

01:07:46   that he's up to and then he starts um

01:07:48   you know huffing the little perfume

01:07:50   samples and like his face starts to

01:07:52   light up and you know he turns into like

01:07:54   superpowers like I sort of like it was

01:07:57   to me the first time through it was very

01:07:59   obvious oh well this is just him

01:08:01   channeling his inner God you know and so

01:08:04   this it's just peaking out you know in

01:08:06   the in the light in his face and so you

01:08:08   know so then I was sort of confused when

01:08:12   she runs the sword through him and the

01:08:14   roof and pins in there and like nothing

01:08:17   changes I felt like Diana at that point

01:08:19   like nothing changed I don't understand

01:08:20   what's going on here and so when you go

01:08:23   in and you know that he's a bad guy and

01:08:25   you watch him you can see him do that

01:08:27   whole like wait no stop don't you know

01:08:31   like like yeah half-heartedly trying it

01:08:33   and then playing everybody to his

01:08:36   advantage I thought we were leading up

01:08:38   to a bait-and-switch that dr. Maru was

01:08:40   going to be Ares like right up until the

01:08:43   point yeah that David Thewlis showed up

01:08:45   in that Tower

01:08:47   I was thinking see okay here's the bait

01:08:50   and switch we're going to get

01:08:51   dr. maura now and she's gonna have been

01:08:53   Aries all along like nipple aiding him

01:08:55   with the perfumed samplers he was

01:08:56   huffing then I was like oh my god loop

01:08:58   is the bad guy yeah I thought it was

01:09:01   like how was it not him well obviously

01:09:03   it's doctor poison like that was totally

01:09:06   where I was right first him through yeah

01:09:07   yes he I was going it's going to be the

01:09:10   least likely person and you know and

01:09:12   that's the twist it's got to be a

01:09:14   surprise it's not a surprise if it's one

01:09:16   of the two of them and but also when you

01:09:18   go back and watch it now it works

01:09:20   beautifully because either they're gonna

01:09:23   screw it up or she's going to be seduced

01:09:25   to his side cuz that's part of what he's

01:09:27   after at the end and either way he comes

01:09:29   out ahead exactly yep and it's

01:09:32   beautifully constructed that way and

01:09:34   it's really beautifully constructed too

01:09:35   because his argument Ares argument that

01:09:38   I don't make them do this this is just

01:09:41   them I've you know I've given them some

01:09:42   ideas but they're the ones that choose

01:09:43   to carry them out that is absolutely the

01:09:45   case with Ludendorff and and dr. poison

01:09:48   because you know they they are the ones

01:09:50   who did absolutely just completely

01:09:54   killed that village that she that she

01:09:56   fell in love in and with and it was it

01:09:59   was it was he was human beings all along

01:10:02   that were doing this yes killed but

01:10:04   settled their own um their own

01:10:06   commanders that were getting ready to

01:10:08   sign the armistice it's like oh we're

01:10:10   going to take care of this yeah and like

01:10:13   like the first time I think we see

01:10:15   Ludendorff he says you know I haven't

01:10:17   eaten I haven't slept like what's your

01:10:19   deal maybe we need to remind everybody

01:10:21   that an attack can come at any moment

01:10:23   let's do that bang mm-hmm and and the

01:10:28   thing I will say about this is that it

01:10:30   was a very emotional final battle for me

01:10:33   as we talked about everybody bringing

01:10:35   their own stuff in fighting their own

01:10:36   battles because I live in Portland so

01:10:38   this was just barely a week after the

01:10:41   incident on the max so talking about how

01:10:44   mankind is terrible and mankind is

01:10:46   horrible and mankind does all this stuff

01:10:48   to each other like I was totally sitting

01:10:50   in my seat going yeah I know like it was

01:10:54   very sad like from here because like I

01:10:57   see that everywhere like it's happening

01:10:59   in downtown Portland right now as we

01:11:01   regard this as a matter of fact

01:11:03   so it was it was one of those things

01:11:05   where it was it resonated with me

01:11:08   personally and you know everybody

01:11:09   sitting in my room sure like as we were

01:11:11   sitting there watching them talk

01:11:12   watching Aires talk about how humanity

01:11:14   is so terrible and you know yeah it did

01:11:18   you know it it he's absolutely right

01:11:20   I felt like you know it I was like I

01:11:22   gotta see your point dude like there was

01:11:25   a moment there where I'm like yeah he's

01:11:26   kind of making a convincing argument

01:11:28   like we kind of do suck and then when I

01:11:30   knew it was him and we went back the

01:11:33   next time like there was a lot of stuff

01:11:34   going on in town where people have had

01:11:38   crazy amounts of money donated to the

01:11:40   families and donated to the guy who

01:11:41   survived so that he can pay all of his

01:11:44   medical bills and there's a company that

01:11:46   donated a bunch of t-shirts say piece on

01:11:49   them and they like went down to the max

01:11:51   stop and started giving them away to

01:11:52   people and like there's still a bunch of

01:11:54   flowers there and people are talking

01:11:56   about a permanent memorial to these

01:11:57   people and and that like all of that

01:12:00   news started coming out on Friday so

01:12:02   when when I when I get went again on

01:12:03   Friday I felt like I cited more with

01:12:06   Diana at the end you know like they are

01:12:08   more than that like yeah actually we are

01:12:10   you know we need to be reminded of that

01:12:12   so it was a very emotion a motional II

01:12:16   between seeing at Thursday and seeing at

01:12:18   Friday for that reason you know and it

01:12:21   was really nice to sort of have that

01:12:23   reminder and like be sort of reassured I

01:12:27   guess yeah the one piece of his of areas

01:12:31   argument that just didn't sit well for

01:12:35   me and I don't think it was supposed to

01:12:36   was his idea that okay so you have like

01:12:38   you know if anybody in this movie could

01:12:40   could be said to have been fringed its

01:12:42   Steve because he is the one who

01:12:44   sacrifices himself and dies I mean at

01:12:46   least he but chooses to sacrifice

01:12:48   himself so it's not like really yeah

01:12:49   fridging but no but so he dies and she

01:12:52   explodes with her anger which I thought

01:12:55   that was a great teen she did a really

01:12:56   nice job but then Aries is his point is

01:12:59   sort of see he went and he left you

01:13:01   alone so you should you should believe

01:13:03   me and follow me and I was just like how

01:13:05   dumb are you - thank you she's upset

01:13:07   because she cared about him and you

01:13:11   totally misread the situation while you

01:13:13   must be a God of War and clearly not a

01:13:14   God of love that's

01:13:15   so so so then she goes on to to

01:13:18   recognize that no people are better and

01:13:21   and and she's she becomes our wonderful

01:13:24   Wonder Woman what which I have to also

01:13:26   say it's nice that nobody said Wonder

01:13:28   Woman at all in the entire movie yeah

01:13:30   yeah that's true her reaction to his to

01:13:33   his death was was awesome and his

01:13:36   reaction to her reaction to Steve's

01:13:39   death was baffling to me the only

01:13:41   downside for me for a lot of that is I

01:13:45   thought David Thewlis was totally

01:13:49   totally perfect as Sir Patrick and as he

01:13:53   was turning into revealing himself to be

01:13:56   Aerys it was still okay once we were in

01:13:59   the full-on god I really kind of wish

01:14:01   that they'd given him like a full-on

01:14:02   helm that covered everything but his uh

01:14:04   but his eyes because I'm sorry

01:14:06   that is Ares does not wear that would be

01:14:09   little mustache to me sitting there you

01:14:14   know he was sitting there talking about

01:14:15   after I fell to earth and I was too weak

01:14:17   and whatever and they show him and he's

01:14:18   like sad and uncloudy in that stash oh

01:14:23   you've got to put it the 70s and now

01:14:26   it's World War one I don't understand

01:14:27   what happened here yes that's it's it's

01:14:30   kind of it's the why the USS Enterprise

01:14:33   makes noise in space it's so we can

01:14:35   remember who he is because we can't

01:14:37   possibly figure that out but I think

01:14:40   that was the sex acts nighter thing I

01:14:43   don't think that was the director

01:14:44   because that's just dumb yeah and the

01:14:48   wrists and the rest of this movie is not

01:14:50   dumb that way well there was still a

01:14:52   confrontation between the two there

01:14:54   still had to be dialogue between the two

01:14:55   so that's what you know that's why they

01:14:57   couldn't necessarily turn we've got ears

01:15:00   we've got ears we can hear him hahaha

01:15:04   you just see this you know there there

01:15:05   is a thing to be said about about

01:15:07   humanity and movies and if it was just

01:15:09   sort of a CG monster I think we would

01:15:11   sort of lose that connection a little

01:15:12   bit but I think we can see the eyes in

01:15:15   the mouth moving of of the human that's

01:15:17   under perhaps his mustache should have

01:15:19   singed off I suppose that maybe we go

01:15:22   for that

01:15:23   I will give one very brief defense of

01:15:26   his statement about he's gone and left

01:15:30   you alone because that to me didn't

01:15:33   actually feel odd i from a family where

01:15:38   people have served in the US military

01:15:41   particularly the US Navy I've got many

01:15:43   friends who's had people serve in Iraq

01:15:47   and Afghanistan and the thing that

01:15:52   strikes me about the grieving process

01:15:55   for people who serve in the military and

01:15:58   put themselves in risky situations is

01:16:00   that usually the anger part of that

01:16:03   grief is they've gone and left you that

01:16:07   nobody forced them at least for people

01:16:10   who served after the draft and even then

01:16:14   many people who serve during the draft

01:16:16   had options to get out as did many of my

01:16:18   family members who could have gone to a

01:16:20   higher education rather than serve in

01:16:24   the military at that time the anger part

01:16:27   of that is you did not have to go and

01:16:30   serve in this conflict you did not have

01:16:34   to take that action that self-sacrifice

01:16:38   to protect other people or in the case

01:16:42   of what Steve's doing here you didn't

01:16:44   have to go and decide that you and you

01:16:47   alone could save everybody and decide to

01:16:49   sacrifice yourself that that anger part

01:16:52   of grief that that someone has made the

01:16:55   decision to leave you is very real and I

01:16:57   think the thing with Steve that struck

01:16:59   me with Ares is that Steve is another

01:17:02   one of in a way areas warriors he's not

01:17:06   in love with war the way Ares is but

01:17:08   he's participating in the conflict he's

01:17:10   doing his best that he can to end the

01:17:12   conflict but he is participating in it

01:17:15   and Diana even expresses some discomfort

01:17:17   at how Steve is valuing lives and how

01:17:21   he's choosing to accept certain missions

01:17:24   and who he's choosing to go in and save

01:17:27   so for me that made perfect sense that

01:17:30   this this might be a moment to convince

01:17:32   Diana that

01:17:34   man is weak man will continue to act out

01:17:37   and be violent and that could have been

01:17:40   seen as another failing of Steve's for

01:17:43   Diana I'm glad that Diana reacted the

01:17:46   way she did but that moment to me didn't

01:17:47   seem at all odd thank you for putting

01:17:50   that way because that's that is

01:17:51   something I had not considered and now

01:17:53   that moments it's much better with me

01:17:55   thank you that that moment didn't seem

01:17:57   odd to me either also because I mean I

01:18:00   and this is part of my thing

01:18:03   I didn't entirely by his resolution to

01:18:07   this I don't think that was the best way

01:18:09   to resolve things but in flying the

01:18:13   plane up and getting it out of the way

01:18:14   of everybody else

01:18:15   he's showing that he's valuing everyone

01:18:18   else who's on the ground he could have

01:18:20   blown it up on the ground and that would

01:18:22   have you know wiped out everybody else

01:18:24   who was there but he took it out of the

01:18:26   way by himself and now he's valuing only

01:18:29   his he's valuing everyone else's lives

01:18:30   above his own instead of saying well I'm

01:18:33   gonna make a choice and destroy this

01:18:34   here but you know maybe I'll survive and

01:18:36   we'll go off and do whatever so it kind

01:18:39   of made the sacrifice a little more

01:18:41   meaningful I still don't quite buy it as

01:18:44   an ending but and he did it without a

01:18:46   quip too which is nice right you know

01:18:48   man something he hesitated and he yeah

01:18:51   exactly thinking and that's another

01:18:53   thing I love I love to see characters

01:18:55   think on stage and screen

01:18:57   I don't care where and you don't get to

01:18:59   see that often enough I really in like a

01:19:02   team know enjoyed it but I was really

01:19:05   impressed with that and then when we get

01:19:08   the play back later where you can hear

01:19:11   him and he tells Diana I can save the

01:19:14   day but you can save the world and I

01:19:17   really liked that he it sort of felt

01:19:21   like he'd done the math on all of that

01:19:22   you know even when when he said I need

01:19:25   you guys to give me some cover and run

01:19:26   into the plane or whatever it was you

01:19:28   know and they all tried to talk him out

01:19:29   of it and then he finds her and gets the

01:19:32   chance to talk to her for a second and

01:19:33   then goes up and that was the thing like

01:19:35   he did hesitate and and you watch him

01:19:38   like it sort of felt like when he grabs

01:19:42   her lasso when he tells her they're

01:19:44   going anyway and that he lied you know

01:19:47   oh this is the to idea yeah and and I

01:19:52   sort of felt like he was thinking about

01:19:54   that like I even said this was a

01:19:56   terrible idea and it's sort of like

01:19:58   working through it in his head if he's

01:19:59   like but it's what I have to do right

01:20:02   and you know I know that there's a

01:20:03   certain amount of that that probably had

01:20:05   to happen for story reasons and you know

01:20:07   one thing another like we can't make

01:20:08   another movie with Steve Trevor and

01:20:09   that'd that I have ideas now yeah you

01:20:13   know and well he can come back to be a

01:20:15   nedda's movie he's good at second fiddle

01:20:18   to the lady so we should just do that

01:20:21   more where it's at a show with the

01:20:23   occasional appearance and special guest

01:20:25   Steve Trevor I'd be into that so yeah

01:20:28   I've got ideas for the sequel they could

01:20:30   do it they really want to oh yeah yeah

01:20:32   Wonder Woman rogues gallery has witches

01:20:34   has magic users that stuff can be done I

01:20:38   get out my big problem with it and this

01:20:41   is this is the Zack Snyder influence is

01:20:43   that Diana needs to be free to flirt

01:20:46   with Bruce Wayne and I don't care

01:20:48   flirting with Bruce Wayne shield Oh

01:20:51   Steve Trevor that's Wonder Woman come on

01:20:54   he's a good life for her but a later

01:20:57   version Zack Snyder has proven in

01:21:00   several films now that he totally

01:21:02   misunderstands Batman Superman and all

01:21:04   the rest of them so of course it's gonna

01:21:06   be yeah anyway hi I've started haven't I

01:21:12   oh but well so yeah I can I can go ahead

01:21:17   and do it very quickly because that's

01:21:19   you know that's part of it is I love so

01:21:23   much of this movie and then it comes to

01:21:25   the big climactic battle scene

01:21:27   beautifully shot beautifully

01:21:29   choreographed that's fine it's from a

01:21:33   totally different movie and I don't care

01:21:35   there's too much of it it's too big it

01:21:38   is straight out of Zack Snyder's fevered

01:21:41   imagination in the middle of this really

01:21:44   good movie otherwise and I don't know

01:21:47   how I would have ended it I don't know

01:21:48   how I would have done it differently but

01:21:51   I you know I kind of just tuned out

01:21:53   after a while it's like but I've seen

01:21:54   this I've seen x-men I've seen Batman

01:21:57   and Superman I've seen Man of Steel

01:21:58   I don't care show me something new the

01:22:02   rest of the movie showed me something

01:22:03   new and you're ending it like a Zack

01:22:05   Snyder movie did anybody else have that

01:22:07   same feeling I can see David's point I

01:22:10   don't think I've seen enough superhero

01:22:11   movies to be totally tired of it but but

01:22:15   I can see the possibility

01:22:17   I mean if it's the only one you've seen

01:22:19   then it would work that's not the only

01:22:22   one I've seen but I know I know and it

01:22:24   fits the beat as you said it fits the

01:22:26   beat of a typical superhero movie which

01:22:28   is not necessarily what we've gotten to

01:22:30   this point right it was I mean I usually

01:22:33   get bored by - invincible beings going

01:22:35   up against each other but I feel that

01:22:38   the actions in the fight were sort of

01:22:40   earned and deserved and there wasn't

01:22:42   gratuitous in any way and it wasn't they

01:22:43   weren't there just to show off the moves

01:22:45   so to speak I think that I think that it

01:22:47   had just about the right amount I

01:22:49   usually buy those things I was not bored

01:22:51   by that by the fight scene and now that

01:22:53   you mention it now that I think about it

01:22:55   we've seen the effect of crossing her

01:22:59   bracelets early on why didn't she just

01:23:01   do that like ten minutes earlier but she

01:23:05   lives a tank and she does this and she

01:23:07   does that does that and then finally

01:23:08   what what beats him crossing her

01:23:10   bracelets well duh you know so I believe

01:23:14   it was Zack Snyder dumb I don't like

01:23:17   what it were for me it was it was longer

01:23:19   than it needed to be I yeah yeah but but

01:23:22   the the fight and I think even the the

01:23:24   style of the fight of the two super

01:23:25   beings was kind of important because all

01:23:28   of the other fight scenes in the movie

01:23:30   you know had consequences were war based

01:23:32   fight scenes but the whole thing was

01:23:35   this is her journey from a little girl

01:23:38   on an island to recognizing the god

01:23:41   goddess that she is and and coming into

01:23:44   those powers fully and I think if we

01:23:46   didn't have this sort of you know God

01:23:49   level conflict at the end it wouldn't

01:23:51   have been a full a full circle sort of a

01:23:54   thing of her her coming into her own in

01:23:56   the way that she should have I do agree

01:23:57   that I didn't need as much of it as I

01:23:59   got right and it and it totally makes

01:24:02   sense that way and and yeah I think I

01:24:04   think it did need something like that i

01:24:06   I just wanted it to be smarter the way

01:24:08   the rest of the movie was

01:24:10   mm-hmm I think I could have done with a

01:24:13   little less of it and then you know a

01:24:15   few minutes not not cut it in half or

01:24:18   anything like that but a little bit less

01:24:19   of that and a tiny bit more sort of

01:24:22   aftermath standing there you know

01:24:24   finding out a little bit about about the

01:24:28   characters we know and like where is dr.

01:24:31   Poisson you know after all of this

01:24:33   because Diana didn't throw the tank on

01:24:34   her and you know does she sneak off so

01:24:37   that now we have another story

01:24:39   possibility for something down the line

01:24:40   or whatever and you know getting to

01:24:43   plant some seeds for other stuff like I

01:24:46   would have been nice with a couple three

01:24:47   minutes of just that there as the Sun

01:24:50   rose you know and and those

01:24:53   excruciatingly ly young guys are taking

01:24:56   off the gas masses and marveling at the

01:24:57   sunrise was I thought that part was

01:25:01   really powerful and I felt way more

01:25:03   invested in that sort of aftermath than

01:25:06   I was in a good portion of the battle

01:25:08   that preceded it yeah well and cuz cuz

01:25:12   again we know she's going to win so

01:25:13   there's not a lot of suspense there so

01:25:16   why drag it out do enough but yeah yeah

01:25:21   I figured it was to serve the

01:25:22   conversation they were having yep and I

01:25:24   didn't necessarily know that she was

01:25:26   going to to defeat him and kill him I

01:25:29   mean for cuz since I don't know much

01:25:30   about the the comic books I didn't know

01:25:32   if he was she was going to just let him

01:25:34   go and be like you know what you're

01:25:36   right it is them so you might as well

01:25:38   just go live on a mountain somewhere I'm

01:25:40   gonna keep trying to help humanity but

01:25:42   no she actually destroyed him and I you

01:25:44   know I appreciated the size of the

01:25:45   crater that was impressive yes yeah yeah

01:25:48   it was above average alright well we

01:25:54   have been going at this for quite a

01:25:56   while so I think we should go around and

01:25:57   do a - a round of final thoughts before

01:25:59   we before we close things out so Alyssa

01:26:02   what what are your final thoughts on

01:26:04   Wonder Woman take everyone you know to

01:26:08   go see this take your daughters take

01:26:10   your friends take random strangers on

01:26:12   the street and bring them in I think

01:26:14   this is really just a fantastic movie to

01:26:18   show a unique version of the heroes

01:26:22   story

01:26:23   and I'm also just really invested in

01:26:26   seeing a movie held by a woman and

01:26:29   directed by a woman really make it big

01:26:31   be successful and sort of own that

01:26:35   victory so everyone should go see this

01:26:37   if you have not seen it yet here here

01:26:40   Steven final thoughts

01:26:41   I hope this leads to many more female

01:26:46   directed female driven movies I would be

01:26:49   happy to see female directed male driven

01:26:51   movies because even that is a different

01:26:53   perspective that we don't have much of I

01:26:55   hope this hope this leads to at least

01:26:58   two I don't want one so that the press

01:27:00   will automatically compare this one to

01:27:02   the to the last one and as they always

01:27:05   seem to do here here so it's it's uh you

01:27:09   know I like to watch for I'm a toy list

01:27:12   I like watching how directors do things

01:27:14   and you know the best this is the best

01:27:17   comic book movie I've seen in some time

01:27:19   and I think one of the best movies I've

01:27:21   seen ever was edited by a woman up being

01:27:23   Mad Max fury road

01:27:24   I appreciate the feel much perspective

01:27:27   on action movies they deserve to have

01:27:30   more chances to shine alright Shannon I

01:27:36   echo both of those things go see it give

01:27:39   us more women telling these stories I

01:27:43   also appreciate that the movie had I

01:27:45   think just the right balance of

01:27:47   fanservice I mentioned the Easter egg of

01:27:50   the of the Blackhawk squad the fight in

01:27:55   the alleyway where she gets the bullet

01:27:58   on her bracelet in front of him goes

01:28:00   back to the Superman Christopher Reeve

01:28:01   scene you know that there's so many

01:28:04   wonderful little bits in there um that

01:28:09   really really work whether you know the

01:28:11   comics or the history or not I just

01:28:15   think they found a really good again

01:28:17   balance in so many different ways mm-hmm

01:28:21   David final thoughts I agree with

01:28:24   everybody I you know and even even with

01:28:27   my Zack Snyder reservations

01:28:29   I loved this movie this is one of the

01:28:32   best comic book movies I've ever seen it

01:28:35   it gets what and I've said this on other

01:28:38   episodes about comic book movies it gets

01:28:41   the essence of what it is to be heroic

01:28:42   that you can be heroic because it's just

01:28:46   the right thing to do right and that's

01:28:49   part of when she says you know what

01:28:51   would I be if I stayed that's that's the

01:28:54   core of being a hero

01:28:55   and Man of Steel didn't get it Batman

01:28:57   versus Superman didn't get it

01:28:59   a lot of the Marvel movies do right they

01:29:02   make the choice and she makes that

01:29:04   choice too because this is what I have

01:29:06   to do and I don't I can't I can't not do

01:29:10   it

01:29:10   right and who would I be if I didn't do

01:29:12   it and it's just nice to see that it's

01:29:15   nice to see the earnestness played for

01:29:17   what it is to just you don't have to

01:29:20   have this ironic smirk at everything you

01:29:22   see right and and especially setting it

01:29:26   in that time period to helps to

01:29:28   emphasize that to say this was a more

01:29:31   innocent time and that's okay so yeah I

01:29:35   take take everyone you can to see it

01:29:38   tell everyone to see it go see it more

01:29:40   than once it's just really well done

01:29:42   and and and the chemistry between them

01:29:45   that's part of why I was upset about his

01:29:47   ending because I want more movies of the

01:29:49   two of them together they were so lovely

01:29:52   together I can do it if they really want

01:29:54   to okay yeah drums shatter I will better

01:29:59   kelly close this out what are your what

01:30:02   are your final thoughts um all of that

01:30:04   go see it

01:30:05   it was super fun um if you are a person

01:30:08   whom I personally know I will gladly go

01:30:10   with you again I will hold your hand and

01:30:13   supply Kleenex is necessary

01:30:14   um and the thing for me for about this

01:30:19   movie was um I'm sad it took until I was

01:30:23   basically an adult for it to happen but

01:30:25   I'm really happy that it did because if

01:30:28   it hadn't taken this long we wouldn't

01:30:31   have gotten the movie we got and you

01:30:33   know and let until unless and until all

01:30:35   of the other stuff happened that that

01:30:39   got the movie to this point where it

01:30:41   finally did get patty Jenkins and it

01:30:43   finally did get gal gadot and it did get

01:30:45   Chris Pine and it did get Robin Wright

01:30:47   like if if it had been before now we

01:30:50   wouldn't have gotten those people and so

01:30:52   you know it's it's that thing that

01:30:54   Leslie Jones said on SNL that I was

01:30:56   think of you know somebody fired Oprah

01:30:58   when she was 23 well of course they did

01:30:59   she wasn't over yet and she had to get

01:31:01   fired in order to become Oprah you know

01:31:03   and I feel like that's what this that's

01:31:05   how this movie went so I was sad not to

01:31:08   have it when I was a little girl but I'm

01:31:10   really glad that this is the one that

01:31:13   the world gets to see and I'm really

01:31:15   glad because it's so good it's

01:31:17   objectively good and maybe now we'll get

01:31:20   a black widow movie and maybe now we'll

01:31:22   get you know like I'm gonna say this for

01:31:25   girls for for Gail Simone herself there

01:31:29   needs to be a birds-of-prey movie and

01:31:30   maybe now that will be a thing or you're

01:31:32   here the secret six or something like

01:31:34   because it's it's not that this is a

01:31:37   novelty it's not that this is weird it's

01:31:38   just a good movie and there's a lot to

01:31:42   be done for good movies you know just

01:31:45   objectively and I really liked the the

01:31:49   statement about like a woman's

01:31:51   perspective on on any particular stories

01:31:53   is different and interesting and we

01:31:55   should see that and given the number of

01:31:57   reboots and sequels and prequels that go

01:32:00   on now one of the trailers for the movie

01:32:03   when I saw it was a Transformers trailer

01:32:05   yeah they're doing that again uh yeah

01:32:08   deep sigh and I role um for me like I

01:32:12   don't want to see that so much as I want

01:32:14   to see you know what the next patty

01:32:17   Jenkins movie or who worked with patty

01:32:19   Jenkins who's going to go direct their

01:32:20   own movie and what's that going to be

01:32:22   about and how is that going to be

01:32:23   interesting and that's what I want so I

01:32:25   really hope that this sort of becomes a

01:32:27   mile-marker

01:32:28   you know the way Star Wars was a big

01:32:32   deal space movie like maybe this will be

01:32:34   the big deal girl superhero movie and

01:32:36   now we will get more of them because

01:32:39   people will understand it does make

01:32:40   money and you do sell tickets to girls

01:32:43   and you can sell tickets to boys even if

01:32:46   the movie stars a girl and you know it

01:32:48   really would have been okay if you had

01:32:50   called the movie princess of Mars and

01:32:52   like yeah there's a whole bunch I have a

01:32:54   lot to bring to this but for me that's

01:32:56   what I want is for this

01:32:58   in a fabulous pair of boots to kick down

01:33:00   that door so that more of this can

01:33:02   happen here here Kelly one of the things

01:33:04   that that you said was that you were sad

01:33:06   for yourself that you didn't get this

01:33:08   movie when you were a little kid and I

01:33:10   think one of my favorite things about

01:33:13   the existence in this movie is the fact

01:33:14   that there are a ton of little girls who

01:33:17   do have in this movie now and all of the

01:33:20   pictures that I saw on Twitter of little

01:33:22   girls dressed up as Wonder Woman and

01:33:24   just being so excited about it like that

01:33:26   that just warms my heart I'm really

01:33:28   really excited and I co everything

01:33:30   everybody else has said about hoping

01:33:32   that this means that there will be more

01:33:33   because I think that those little girls

01:33:35   deserve more than just a single awesome

01:33:38   movie they should be able to get more

01:33:41   they should also be able to get some

01:33:42   some female led movies that fail and and

01:33:45   have that be okay because Lord I've had

01:33:47   it once and then maybe grow up not to

01:33:51   just be heroic and do good things

01:33:52   themselves but to grow up and write and

01:33:54   direct movies - yep yep yeah exactly so

01:33:57   thank you everybody for joining me

01:34:00   Shannon thanks so much for being here

01:34:01   always a pleasure Melissa been fantastic

01:34:07   Stephen I know that I sort of didn't

01:34:10   give you a choice but thank you anyway

01:34:15   knows when to be subservient I know my

01:34:19   role and I know my place and I was happy

01:34:21   to be here with you all today

01:34:23   dick fit as always thank you for being

01:34:26   here well as always thank you not Jason

01:34:29   I think you are also above average I am

01:34:34   Kelly month thank you so much for being

01:34:36   here thanks so much for having me it was

01:34:39   a really fun time and again I am Erica

01:34:41   and sign and we'll see you hopefully

01:34:43   with Jason back in his chair next time

01:34:46   on the incomparable

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