The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► we've been talking for web 15-20 minutes

00:00:01 ◼   ► it's two hours oh we're just getting out

00:00:03 ◼   ► of the opening statements though so

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00:00:11 ◼   ► the incomparable number 356 June 2017

00:00:19 ◼   ► welcome once again everybody to the

00:00:21 ◼   ► incomparable I am your host Jason Snell

00:00:23 ◼   ► this is part 2 of my conversation with

00:00:26 ◼   ► Merlin Mann John Gruber Moises Chuang

00:00:29 ◼   ► and John siracusa about the Godfather

00:00:32 ◼   ► Part 2 let's go back to the other time

00:00:35 ◼   ► frame because we should talk about the

00:00:36 ◼   ► scene during the the parade thing where

00:00:39 ◼   ► there's the is it is it a saint or Jesus

00:00:42 ◼   ► and like there's a cross and then

00:00:43 ◼   ► there's money all over it that's the

00:00:45 ◼   ► thing that they do though then

00:00:46 ◼   ► italian-american yeah yeah no no but

00:00:48 ◼   ► like having it having a Jesus with a

00:00:49 ◼   ► floating crown covered with money

00:00:51 ◼   ► yeah I mean in the first movie or the

00:00:53 ◼   ► first popular movie where people have

00:00:55 ◼   ► seen that this thing there there

00:00:57 ◼   ► cultural things that are like wait what

00:00:58 ◼   ► that is not in any way tied to anything

00:01:00 ◼   ► that I understand from my background but

00:01:02 ◼   ► you know it's like the the first time

00:01:04 ◼   ► people see a luchador match and at the

00:01:06 ◼   ► end of the match a bunch of you know

00:01:08 ◼   ► Mexican Americans are throwing money in

00:01:09 ◼   ► the ring and people are like what the

00:01:10 ◼   ► hell's going on that's it's it's a sign

00:01:13 ◼   ► of respect it's a custom it's a thing

00:01:15 ◼   ► you know it's just a thing I grew up

00:01:17 ◼   ► Roman Catholic and it's you just you

00:01:20 ◼   ► don't know that other denomination

00:01:23 ◼   ► sahrin is centered on making money until

00:01:27 ◼   ► you get older and you gained some

00:01:28 ◼   ► perspective but even as a kid and not in

00:01:31 ◼   ► a any way an Italian parish you know I'm

00:01:35 ◼   ► sure there it was probably more Irish

00:01:37 ◼   ► than than Italian backgrounds where I

00:01:39 ◼   ► grew up um but they it was always about

00:01:43 ◼   ► the money that we did you know just

00:01:46 ◼   ► think about the Vatican like you just I

00:01:48 ◼   ► grew up going that are like yeah talking

00:01:51 ◼   ► about palaces covered in gold right it's

00:01:53 ◼   ► it's one of the most luxurious palaces

00:01:56 ◼   ► ever built in the history of humankind

00:01:58 ◼   ► for a church it's it's comical in a way

00:02:02 ◼   ► but that sort of bald-faced dollar bills

00:02:06 ◼   ► tacked to a religious icon was very

00:02:11 ◼   ► young I know Sam if you grew up Catholic

00:02:14 ◼   ► that it's not weird at all it is it's

00:02:17 ◼   ► you know copal is obviously aware of it

00:02:19 ◼   ► and it's obviously used for symbolic

00:02:20 ◼   ► purposes but it's not an exaggeration in

00:02:23 ◼   ► any way shape or form might sure

00:02:24 ◼   ► Tryg revista have a summer bazaar it was

00:02:26 ◼   ► like three night thing and there's

00:02:27 ◼   ► little little games a chance for the

00:02:29 ◼   ► kids and stuff like that but they had

00:02:30 ◼   ► like actual blackjack tables in the gym

00:02:32 ◼   ► for the adults okay you could go it and

00:02:36 ◼   ► play cash bar blackjack and I thought I

00:02:39 ◼   ► mean and you know you guys know me I was

00:02:41 ◼   ► I I wanted to play I was desperately

00:02:44 ◼   ► hurt that I was not allowed to play

00:02:45 ◼   ► poker night at the rectory with Virgin

00:02:48 ◼   ► Mary dealer they say the house always

00:02:49 ◼   ► wins but if God is the house how bad can

00:02:52 ◼   ► it be the way that they got away with it

00:02:54 ◼   ► somehow I don't know if if it was I

00:02:56 ◼   ► don't know but somehow the story I had

00:02:58 ◼   ► heard was that the reason that they were

00:02:59 ◼   ► allowed to do it was a their a charity

00:03:01 ◼   ► and be there in a charity blackjack game

00:03:05 ◼   ► run by a church it was if you tied the

00:03:08 ◼   ► dealer you lost the hand so you had no

00:03:10 ◼   ► chance to God right the church for you

00:03:13 ◼   ► right I was really frustrating growing

00:03:15 ◼   ► up in the late in the late 70s out of

00:03:17 ◼   ► time this is before the moral majority

00:03:19 ◼   ► stuff really caught on but there was a

00:03:21 ◼   ► lot of sensation about video games and

00:03:24 ◼   ► how basically at least in my church and

00:03:26 ◼   ► in a lot of Protestant communities they

00:03:29 ◼   ► were basically seen as gambling they

00:03:31 ◼   ► work like if you spent money on this

00:03:32 ◼   ► thing and there was no like clear world

00:03:34 ◼   ► war and you did have to work hard like

00:03:36 ◼   ► that is gambling that definitely sounds

00:03:38 ◼   ► way more Protestant than the Catholic so

00:03:39 ◼   ► we're talking about video games as

00:03:41 ◼   ► gambling

00:03:41 ◼   ► well so I was gonna say it oh it seems

00:03:43 ◼   ► so like frustrating to me that like the

00:03:44 ◼   ► Catholics were allowed to bingo the crap

00:03:46 ◼   ► out of everything and like you want to

00:03:47 ◼   ► play defender speaking of bingo I'm not

00:03:49 ◼   ► to go too far off the track but when I

00:03:51 ◼   ► was in college there was a thing at my

00:03:52 ◼   ► parents parish where the one of the

00:03:55 ◼   ► priests of the parish literally got

00:03:57 ◼   ► arrested because the cops figured out

00:03:59 ◼   ► that he was running crooked bingo the

00:04:01 ◼   ► big the bingo game was crooked

00:04:02 ◼   ► crooked bingo have the fix was in on the

00:04:05 ◼   ► bingo right good good bingo

00:04:07 ◼   ► there's like eight men out but with

00:04:09 ◼   ► bingo right he he was running the thing

00:04:13 ◼   ► where he was like icing some of the

00:04:15 ◼   ► balls he's got a blue haired lady on the

00:04:17 ◼   ► inside she's shoeless joe O'Malley well

00:04:20 ◼   ► and that tie that ties back to Hyman

00:04:22 ◼   ► Roth I love

00:04:24 ◼   ► loved it ever since Arnold Rothstein

00:04:25 ◼   ► fixed the 1918 World Series he says of

00:04:28 ◼   ► course he does of course he loves with

00:04:30 ◼   ► such genuine relish yeah like he's yes

00:04:32 ◼   ► yeah like the best thing ever and get

00:04:35 ◼   ► back to Hyman Roth and I were just

00:04:36 ◼   ► bringing up tangentially here but like

00:04:37 ◼   ► but I really do love the fact that he

00:04:39 ◼   ► you know he goes back to Marlon Brando's

00:04:41 ◼   ► Godfather right that they were they were

00:04:43 ◼   ► running molasses when they're you know

00:04:44 ◼   ► yeah they go back way back your dad see

00:04:47 ◼   ► trucks obviously got a tremendous amount

00:04:48 ◼   ► of money but he's and he has been

00:04:51 ◼   ► successful but a his appetite for

00:04:53 ◼   ► continued success and money continues

00:04:55 ◼   ► despite the fact that surely he has more

00:04:58 ◼   ► than enough money less than the rest of

00:04:59 ◼   ► his life and B he lives like a suburban

00:05:03 ◼   ► New Yorker who moved down to look to

00:05:05 ◼   ► Florida to retire like he's in this tiny

00:05:07 ◼   ► little house with his you know way to

00:05:09 ◼   ► young wife making him tuna sandwiches

00:05:11 ◼   ► he's not in a giant castle he doesn't

00:05:13 ◼   ► need any this money it's all about like

00:05:15 ◼   ► the game it's all about success and

00:05:17 ◼   ► winning and and he's happy to just go

00:05:19 ◼   ► back and watch the ball game in his

00:05:22 ◼   ► surely sweltering Florida you know ranch

00:05:25 ◼   ► house bungalow whatever as his wife

00:05:27 ◼   ► brings him sandwiches I just love I love

00:05:29 ◼   ► him I love that character love the

00:05:30 ◼   ► brokenness of his the way he chooses to

00:05:33 ◼   ► live his life and what he chooses to do

00:05:35 ◼   ► with this time because it is so so

00:05:37 ◼   ► bonkers so we should talk about the

00:05:38 ◼   ► scene so what happens in the in during

00:05:40 ◼   ► the this this Festa that happens is is

00:05:42 ◼   ► that is that Vito is going to take out

00:05:47 ◼   ► fanucci so he watches fanucci he knows

00:05:50 ◼   ► where he is you can't miss him out in

00:05:51 ◼   ► the street and he then he paces him on

00:05:54 ◼   ► the rooftops and follows him basically

00:05:57 ◼   ► follows him home and like goes around

00:06:00 ◼   ► the back of some of the chimneys and

00:06:01 ◼   ► jumps down to a lower building and he's

00:06:04 ◼   ► he's doing like parkour and Little Italy

00:06:06 ◼   ► doing what he needs to do to get around

00:06:08 ◼   ► to follow him with unscrews the light

00:06:10 ◼   ► bulb

00:06:11 ◼   ► he's got the towel around the collar on

00:06:12 ◼   ► the gun silencer well before we get to

00:06:14 ◼   ► that though I like the just I first saw

00:06:16 ◼   ► this scene when I was doesn't matter why

00:06:19 ◼   ► but I was in I was visiting with this

00:06:20 ◼   ► friend of mine who taught a film class

00:06:21 ◼   ► and he showed that entire sequence and I

00:06:24 ◼   ► think Godfather one I don't think it's

00:06:25 ◼   ► in Godfather two at that point and I was

00:06:27 ◼   ► just I was completely struck by that

00:06:29 ◼   ► scene and just the there's so much to

00:06:31 ◼   ► that there's there's the the panning

00:06:33 ◼   ► shot of DeNiro going across the roofs

00:06:35 ◼   ► there's a panning shots down on the

00:06:36 ◼   ► ground

00:06:37 ◼   ► and then there's the shots down or

00:06:38 ◼   ► fanucci is like this big white like a

00:06:41 ◼   ► big white bird he wants to wet his beak

00:06:43 ◼   ► honey so clearly visible amidst like all

00:06:45 ◼   ► of this crowd and I I just I I could

00:06:48 ◼   ► just watch the scene over drinking it up

00:06:49 ◼   ► all the things he does we're we're

00:06:51 ◼   ► carefully studying him as he's doing any

00:06:52 ◼   ► puts the money that's trapped in that

00:06:54 ◼   ► arm thing that arm move is good I won't

00:06:56 ◼   ► stop doing okay hey what's that called

00:06:58 ◼   ► John siracusa what do you call that

00:06:59 ◼   ► no I but you know the movie you should

00:07:01 ◼   ► start doing is the thing where someone

00:07:03 ◼   ► put some money in front of you

00:07:04 ◼   ► immediately throw your drying hat down

00:07:05 ◼   ► on top of it and says I think there's

00:07:07 ◼   ► $100 under that what a move like they

00:07:09 ◼   ► such a such a character I want to cop

00:07:11 ◼   ► every move I love the way he stirs his

00:07:13 ◼   ► espresso he wears his jacket over his

00:07:15 ◼   ► jacket okay yeah jackets upon jackets on

00:07:18 ◼   ► jackets his jackets all the way down and

00:07:20 ◼   ► he's in the white everyone else in this

00:07:23 ◼   ► New York Street scene is like covered

00:07:24 ◼   ► with fill yes everybody everybody's

00:07:27 ◼   ► wearing Brandon Dickens characters

00:07:28 ◼   ► everybody's cover the filth he's wearing

00:07:30 ◼   ► a white suit white three-piece suit

00:07:32 ◼   ► head-to-toe and a white hat every day

00:07:34 ◼   ► every single day and it's it speaks to

00:07:36 ◼   ► his level of power that he can just have

00:07:38 ◼   ► the biggest all white linen target

00:07:42 ◼   ► painted on him and just walk through the

00:07:44 ◼   ► streets with not a care not an

00:07:46 ◼   ► assumption that anybody is going to try

00:07:47 ◼   ► to do anything to it this is too violent

00:07:48 ◼   ► for me

00:07:49 ◼   ► they just kiss his hands he puts out his

00:07:50 ◼   ► hands and they kiss him but then then

00:07:52 ◼   ► you know Vito takes out finally does

00:07:54 ◼   ► take action about this guy like he's got

00:07:56 ◼   ► a hole he's got his hole I love it I

00:07:58 ◼   ► love it all I want to drink in every bit

00:08:00 ◼   ► that the way that he unscrews the

00:08:01 ◼   ► lightbulb the way he slips into that

00:08:03 ◼   ► every single bit of it just off so

00:08:05 ◼   ► perfect yeah it's it's a duck hunt out

00:08:07 ◼   ► in the woods but you know in in the

00:08:09 ◼   ► middle of Little Italy and he waits to

00:08:10 ◼   ► write like he hears concepts you know

00:08:13 ◼   ► waits and then he's he's stealing

00:08:16 ◼   ► himself like he waits part of it because

00:08:17 ◼   ► you have to wait right so he's not

00:08:18 ◼   ► impatient but when when we as the

00:08:20 ◼   ► audience realize now is the time Vito he

00:08:23 ◼   ► still waits because then he's got to be

00:08:24 ◼   ► like am I really doing this is this

00:08:26 ◼   ► happening and eventually he does go

00:08:27 ◼   ► through it and then and then the cooler

00:08:29 ◼   ► head of Vito prevails where he's like

00:08:30 ◼   ► I've gone through with it but you know

00:08:32 ◼   ► what one of the mouth to make sure like

00:08:34 ◼   ► you already got him in the chest I got a

00:08:35 ◼   ► so well not down away bend down and just

00:08:39 ◼   ► make sure like look you're here to do a

00:08:41 ◼   ► thing do the thing I love the cut I love

00:08:44 ◼   ► the Edit where they it's like a cut

00:08:46 ◼   ► right to where you get to Manette in the

00:08:49 ◼   ► cheek

00:08:50 ◼   ► so they don't have to you know you don't

00:08:52 ◼   ► have to have a squib explode because the

00:08:54 ◼   ► cut is the squib the actual edit of the

00:08:56 ◼   ► film is the impact of the bullet hitting

00:08:59 ◼   ► his face so it just starts with the hole

00:09:01 ◼   ► in his face it is yeah

00:09:03 ◼   ► it's the classic trick that we do with

00:09:04 ◼   ► arrows going into people make the sound

00:09:06 ◼   ► effect cut to the guy with the arrow

00:09:07 ◼   ► already in his chest I also like every

00:09:09 ◼   ► like terrace is close open to see like

00:09:11 ◼   ► what is going on here the buttons

00:09:12 ◼   ► popping yeah good some good Foley work

00:09:15 ◼   ► there if I'm gonna die I'm gonna die

00:09:17 ◼   ► half naked and then he takes then he

00:09:19 ◼   ► takes a gun apart and puts the pieces

00:09:20 ◼   ► down the different chimneys yeah yeah

00:09:22 ◼   ► right mark perfect well I actually had a

00:09:24 ◼   ► thought about that I'm not sure how

00:09:25 ◼   ► smart it was in so far surgeon stoves of

00:09:28 ◼   ► the building in which the guy was killed

00:09:29 ◼   ► you might have seemed smart they're all

00:09:31 ◼   ► in the same bill yeah I mean look the

00:09:33 ◼   ► point is like how are you gonna find

00:09:35 ◼   ► these things those things are all I go

00:09:36 ◼   ► down into the into the furnace did you

00:09:37 ◼   ► get a bit of a firearm in your chimney

00:09:39 ◼   ► tool it's a piece of one down it

00:09:41 ◼   ► assuming those aren't just vent pipes

00:09:43 ◼   ► and I actually go down to furnaces as

00:09:44 ◼   ► well like but but I'm what I was

00:09:46 ◼   ► thinking watching it is that video is

00:09:48 ◼   ► being very thorough he's he's you know

00:09:50 ◼   ► look if you're gonna kill this guy if

00:09:51 ◼   ► you come at the King best not miss right

00:09:53 ◼   ► and he doesn't and he's put getting rid

00:09:56 ◼   ► of the evidence and I'm like no cop is

00:09:58 ◼   ► gonna investigate this nobody cares what

00:10:00 ◼   ► goes on a little italy they don't care

00:10:02 ◼   ► that you killed this guy this will never

00:10:03 ◼   ► be investigated in any way whatsoever

00:10:05 ◼   ► but but he's you know he's dot in his

00:10:07 ◼   ► eyes and Grasso dusty's and that that

00:10:09 ◼   ► that attention to detail is what is is

00:10:11 ◼   ► you know what what helps him become so

00:10:14 ◼   ► you know effectively bulletproof for the

00:10:16 ◼   ► longest time is he he crosses all the

00:10:18 ◼   ► eyes there he crosses all the t's dots

00:10:20 ◼   ► all the eyes and and and is careful he

00:10:22 ◼   ► he comes back behind himself I mean even

00:10:25 ◼   ► the gunshot happening at the time when

00:10:26 ◼   ► the fireworks are going out which he

00:10:27 ◼   ► knows they're gonna happen at the end of

00:10:28 ◼   ► the festival it's good plan yeah it's

00:10:32 ◼   ► even the case that uh he it more likely

00:10:35 ◼   ► than the cops investigating would be

00:10:36 ◼   ► Lucchese men yeah

00:10:39 ◼   ► investigate right and there's a pink

00:10:41 ◼   ► about it there's absolutely positively

00:10:42 ◼   ► only two people on the planet who who

00:10:45 ◼   ► know that Vito did this and that's

00:10:46 ◼   ► Clemenza and yeah with Tesio right I see

00:10:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah young testee oh by the way

00:10:51 ◼   ► looks like Tony Danza and the same he

00:10:53 ◼   ► knows he knows those guys he knows he

00:10:54 ◼   ► can trust those guys you know he knows

00:10:56 ◼   ► that there get you know there he doesn't

00:10:58 ◼   ► worry about them but there's no reason

00:10:59 ◼   ► like like falou cheese guys like who the

00:11:01 ◼   ► hell would do this they don't even know

00:11:02 ◼   ► who

00:11:02 ◼   ► Corleone's that's so great the next part

00:11:05 ◼   ► is Washington DC Senate Committee on

00:11:09 ◼   ► organized crime this is the the

00:11:12 ◼   ► interview with Michael and from the

00:11:15 ◼   ► various senators and they asked him all

00:11:17 ◼   ► the questions about if you're a member

00:11:19 ◼   ► of an organized crime family favorite

00:11:23 ◼   ► favorite cameos in The Godfather saga

00:11:26 ◼   ► among among two of my very favorite are

00:11:28 ◼   ► Harry Dean Stanton as FBI guy number one

00:11:31 ◼   ► he's so young I'm so young and it's

00:11:34 ◼   ► gotta be like only 70 or so in them I

00:11:35 ◼   ► know I had no idea that was him no idea

00:11:38 ◼   ► you know he's the guy who eventually

00:11:41 ◼   ► finds finds Frankie in the bathtub and I

00:11:45 ◼   ► you know I want to call him vice chair

00:11:47 ◼   ► of the committee because he's like

00:11:48 ◼   ► senator number two or something is Roger

00:11:51 ◼   ► Corman who has one line in the movie and

00:11:53 ◼   ► is mostly just sitting there listening

00:11:55 ◼   ► the entire time during all the

00:11:56 ◼   ► proceedings but I love that all of these

00:11:58 ◼   ► guys who came up doing movies with Roger

00:12:00 ◼   ► ended up casting him almost exclusively

00:12:03 ◼   ► as a senator who kind of Jonathan Demi

00:12:05 ◼   ► made him a senator from The Manchurian

00:12:06 ◼   ► Candidate remake like he's always like a

00:12:08 ◼   ► senator on a committee investigating

00:12:10 ◼   ► something not saying much

00:12:12 ◼   ► and then he says like one line and then

00:12:13 ◼   ► he's done there's a lot of smoking in

00:12:14 ◼   ► this scene yeah John I don't know if you

00:12:16 ◼   ► notice that I did a lot of smoke in the

00:12:18 ◼   ► movie in general like I always think

00:12:21 ◼   ► back to the first movie where where you

00:12:23 ◼   ► know Michael is saying about Kay she's

00:12:25 ◼   ► hysterical and he he's palming the

00:12:26 ◼   ► cigarette in this weird way where he

00:12:28 ◼   ► reaches around and grips the there's a

00:12:29 ◼   ► lot of good a lot of good cigarette work

00:12:32 ◼   ► I also think this the Senate scene is

00:12:34 ◼   ► the the prototypical I mean it's

00:12:37 ◼   ► probably just crib from TV news but like

00:12:39 ◼   ► the lenses in the angle they get on

00:12:41 ◼   ► Michael as he sits at that table we'd

00:12:43 ◼   ► like the press sound effects around him

00:12:44 ◼   ► like it feels like by choosing the

00:12:47 ◼   ► staging in the camera angles it feels

00:12:49 ◼   ► like he is in in the Senate talking and

00:12:51 ◼   ► they make it feel so so like intimate

00:12:53 ◼   ► and crowded when in reality it's like

00:12:55 ◼   ► you're on this table way over here and

00:12:57 ◼   ► these these people off over there and

00:12:58 ◼   ► people whispering in people's ears and

00:13:00 ◼   ► the senators with their agenda and him

00:13:02 ◼   ► with Tom next to him in more great

00:13:03 ◼   ► character actors you've got the the guy

00:13:05 ◼   ► who plays what's his name's attorney the

00:13:08 ◼   ► guy with the glasses like he's he's

00:13:09 ◼   ► exactly perfect I love the guy who runs

00:13:11 ◼   ► the committee that guy is such a great

00:13:13 ◼   ► character actor

00:13:14 ◼   ► Emolga yeah how allow it I will produce

00:13:18 ◼   ► someone who is spoken directly to my

00:13:19 ◼   ► he's such a little like he's got a plan

00:13:21 ◼   ► he's executing slowly and carefully but

00:13:24 ◼   ► he's he's getting outplayed on the

00:13:26 ◼   ► brother the brother

00:13:27 ◼   ► well we skipped over the case not the

00:13:29 ◼   ► case that happen also in the same thing

00:13:30 ◼   ► like this is one thing I noted in my 900

00:13:33 ◼   ► viewing of this movie is that the the

00:13:36 ◼   ► dissolution of his marriage I mean it

00:13:38 ◼   ► works from from the perspective that

00:13:40 ◼   ► Michael doesn't realize it's happening

00:13:42 ◼   ► and therefore we as the viewers are also

00:13:44 ◼   ► supposed to perhaps not realize it's

00:13:46 ◼   ► happening because we're so caught up in

00:13:47 ◼   ► Michael's game and then it comes you

00:13:49 ◼   ► know then he gets blindsided by it we

00:13:51 ◼   ► you know with the later-later scene

00:13:52 ◼   ► where that comes to a head but there's

00:13:55 ◼   ► not much in the movie to really show

00:13:58 ◼   ► that that things are falling apart of

00:14:01 ◼   ► the marriage because the few lines the

00:14:02 ◼   ► Kay has early on there's like oh you

00:14:04 ◼   ► know you told me the family would be

00:14:05 ◼   ► legitimate in five years and it's been

00:14:07 ◼   ► seven years but even they actually

00:14:08 ◼   ► doesn't sound too pissed about it and

00:14:10 ◼   ► it's really just we don't see her again

00:14:12 ◼   ► for a long period of time and so it's

00:14:13 ◼   ► like she says that one thing and then he

00:14:16 ◼   ► doesn't talk to her for a while and then

00:14:17 ◼   ► she aborts his baby and is out of there

00:14:20 ◼   ► like it is it is there's there's not a

00:14:22 ◼   ► lot of text for that and the only way I

00:14:24 ◼   ► can really excuse it is to say because

00:14:26 ◼   ► Michael doesn't realize it's happening

00:14:27 ◼   ► he's caught up with all the stuff going

00:14:28 ◼   ► on too and he's literally not paying

00:14:30 ◼   ► enough attention to his family when he

00:14:31 ◼   ► comes home and seizes his proxy gifted

00:14:34 ◼   ► electric car in the snow he feels bad

00:14:36 ◼   ► about it but he doesn't realize how and

00:14:38 ◼   ► he comes in and Kay doesn't get up from

00:14:40 ◼   ► her sewing machine to welcome him like

00:14:41 ◼   ► he knows things are bad but he still

00:14:43 ◼   ► feels right up to the very end he feels

00:14:45 ◼   ► like I can fix this I can chain change

00:14:47 ◼   ► I'll handle it this is you know this

00:14:50 ◼   ► this is just it's an impossibility for

00:14:51 ◼   ► this to go badly so in that way it works

00:14:54 ◼   ► but I do I do feel like K should have

00:14:57 ◼   ► had a few more scenes to to flesh out

00:14:59 ◼   ► her side of the arc so we're aware that

00:15:02 ◼   ► it's simmering instead of us getting so

00:15:03 ◼   ► caught up in these other stories and

00:15:04 ◼   ► then just having oh by the way Kay's

00:15:05 ◼   ► here and their marriage is a mess it's a

00:15:08 ◼   ► little bit let it's it's less of a role

00:15:10 ◼   ► than then absolutely than she had in the

00:15:12 ◼   ► first one yeah I totally agree it's it's

00:15:14 ◼   ► a bummer cause she she was such an

00:15:15 ◼   ► important presence in the first film in

00:15:17 ◼   ► some ways she was us you know she was

00:15:19 ◼   ► the one who was the proxy she was the

00:15:20 ◼   ► companion and

00:15:22 ◼   ► yeah I was bummed that she had less to

00:15:24 ◼   ► do in this one although she was great in

00:15:25 ◼   ► what she had she gets the door closed on

00:15:26 ◼   ► her again again yeah there is that

00:15:29 ◼   ► there's also the bit where he's

00:15:30 ◼   ► obviously suspicious there he starts to

00:15:32 ◼   ► sense any that they might be losing

00:15:34 ◼   ► Ernie asked his mom you know can it yeah

00:15:36 ◼   ► can it lose your family can lose your

00:15:38 ◼   ► family this mom gives us some pretty bad

00:15:39 ◼   ► advice based on her dated worldview of

00:15:43 ◼   ► well she's right but he misinterprets it

00:15:46 ◼   ► you can't ever lose your family your

00:15:47 ◼   ► family isn't like but he makes that

00:15:49 ◼   ► Heath interprets that is saying oh then

00:15:51 ◼   ► pretty much anything I do everything's

00:15:52 ◼   ► okay because they'll always be my family

00:15:54 ◼   ► cuz it's a constant and she's trying to

00:15:55 ◼   ► say you can't ever lose your family

00:15:57 ◼   ► because like you shouldn't you should

00:16:00 ◼   ► never let go that it should it should

00:16:02 ◼   ► always be your number one priority and

00:16:03 ◼   ► he you know takes the wrong thing from

00:16:05 ◼   ► it closing the door on her was cold it

00:16:07 ◼   ► was pretty cold yeah you gotta wonder

00:16:09 ◼   ► what he's gonna do cuz Connie's like

00:16:11 ◼   ► he's coming you gotta go like oh my god

00:16:14 ◼   ► we can't even let you be near him right

00:16:16 ◼   ► and and this is what it is is he's not

00:16:19 ◼   ► going to be violent to her he's going to

00:16:21 ◼   ► be what Michael other than that one time

00:16:23 ◼   ► I suppose Michael what Michael is is to

00:16:26 ◼   ► most people which is cold and and but

00:16:29 ◼   ► but domineering and demands demands that

00:16:31 ◼   ► things go his way demands respect when

00:16:33 ◼   ► he wants to be there you not to be that

00:16:34 ◼   ► you have to get out like he commands

00:16:36 ◼   ► this entire you know the the power that

00:16:38 ◼   ► he has over everybody intentional or

00:16:40 ◼   ► otherwise he essentially has leverage on

00:16:42 ◼   ► everybody in his family his leverage on

00:16:43 ◼   ► Fredo because he supports him his

00:16:45 ◼   ► leverage on Connie because he he knows

00:16:47 ◼   ► like she's lashing out at him by blowing

00:16:49 ◼   ► up her own life because he knows that

00:16:51 ◼   ► you know she says like this is a wage

00:16:52 ◼   ► that she could hurt him but he she comes

00:16:54 ◼   ► running back so now he's got leverage

00:16:56 ◼   ► over her everybody in his life owes him

00:16:58 ◼   ► something or relies on him for something

00:17:00 ◼   ► and to be caught in that system k is the

00:17:03 ◼   ► only kind of independent actor and is

00:17:04 ◼   ► just overwhelmed by the mass of people

00:17:06 ◼   ► who maybe her friends but because

00:17:10 ◼   ► they're caught up in Michael's world

00:17:12 ◼   ► carry out his will to the point where

00:17:15 ◼   ► you know Connie Connie seems like

00:17:16 ◼   ► genuinely fearful likey God you gotta

00:17:18 ◼   ► leave gives her huggy gotta get out

00:17:20 ◼   ► light as if he's gonna come like the big

00:17:21 ◼   ► bad wolf and kill everybody but he's not

00:17:23 ◼   ► but he's just gonna things have to go

00:17:25 ◼   ► his way uh if it's just fearful that

00:17:27 ◼   ► he's going to do the Al Pacino screaming

00:17:29 ◼   ► thing get out right you know even if

00:17:32 ◼   ► it's just fearful of that I think that's

00:17:33 ◼   ► probably the worst-case scenario that

00:17:34 ◼   ► she

00:17:35 ◼   ► imagining but even so what he did in a

00:17:37 ◼   ► way he acted without saying a word and

00:17:38 ◼   ► should end or honor in front of his kids

00:17:41 ◼   ► yeah yeah messing up his kids something

00:17:43 ◼   ► awful movie if Connie had taken the kids

00:17:46 ◼   ► away and it was just a scene between

00:17:47 ◼   ► Mike and Kay and he did that it's so

00:17:51 ◼   ► cold and I think he wants them to see

00:17:53 ◼   ► that yes he wants her to see them seeing

00:17:55 ◼   ► that that's part of the power play why

00:17:56 ◼   ► the Sun doesn't kiss her and at that

00:17:58 ◼   ► moment and that's if if that's not that

00:18:01 ◼   ► might be the moment where you know

00:18:02 ◼   ► really me watching a movie it that's

00:18:05 ◼   ► where I go from I'm on the fence about

00:18:07 ◼   ► what I think about Michael Corleone - I

00:18:09 ◼   ► don't like this guy this guy's a monster

00:18:11 ◼   ► you're ok with the prostitute killing

00:18:13 ◼   ► them but it's not the closures are

00:18:14 ◼   ► business business well she's not in the

00:18:17 ◼   ► game though I feel like it's the salt

00:18:19 ◼   ► thing who's who's in the a man is night

00:18:21 ◼   ► yeah it was just a prostitute this is

00:18:22 ◼   ► Diane Keaton we're talking about I hate

00:18:24 ◼   ► to say it but yes I was still I mean a

00:18:28 ◼   ► prostitute was the prostitute I'm sure

00:18:30 ◼   ► I'm sure that she had friends but I mean

00:18:33 ◼   ► I do not know what she'd done maybe she

00:18:35 ◼   ► deserved it you know yeah whole other

00:18:37 ◼   ► movie about that prostitute that we're

00:18:38 ◼   ► not going to see right let's move back

00:18:40 ◼   ► to the first time frame just to talk

00:18:43 ◼   ► about the this is the thing we talked

00:18:45 ◼   ► about of the bit which is now we see

00:18:46 ◼   ► Vito and now he is the respected figure

00:18:49 ◼   ► in the community he is the now he takes

00:18:50 ◼   ► the art he takes the orange he this is

00:18:53 ◼   ► where we get the the lady who's been

00:18:54 ◼   ► evicted because you had the dog and she

00:18:56 ◼   ► wouldn't get rid of the dog and the guy

00:18:57 ◼   ► is like what do you want me to do about

00:18:59 ◼   ► it and then and then finally like comes

00:19:01 ◼   ► back to the to the olive oil business

00:19:04 ◼   ► storefront and is like oh I'm so sorry I

00:19:06 ◼   ► didn't know it was you and and starts

00:19:08 ◼   ► like discounting her rent and give him a

00:19:10 ◼   ► background in his first run at it and

00:19:13 ◼   ► his first run on it when he's not

00:19:14 ◼   ► recognized like the guy doesn't know who

00:19:15 ◼   ► you are is like what you bother am a

00:19:16 ◼   ► lady Columbo like whatever I like why

00:19:19 ◼   ► why are you even talking to me about

00:19:20 ◼   ► this tries to give him money just like I

00:19:21 ◼   ► already rented it like and you know he

00:19:24 ◼   ► tries to get him to do it and put like

00:19:26 ◼   ► he's getting as far as he can by

00:19:27 ◼   ► throwing money at this guy now just like

00:19:29 ◼   ► he does matter who you are if you guys

00:19:30 ◼   ► throw money and that's a good way to get

00:19:31 ◼   ► at it and then and they seem to agree

00:19:33 ◼   ► when he goes but the dog stays right

00:19:35 ◼   ► however you can't

00:19:37 ◼   ► but grant you're the one last grab and

00:19:40 ◼   ► the guys like now the dog doesn't stay

00:19:41 ◼   ► get out of here right and then he comes

00:19:43 ◼   ► he goes you know running back that's

00:19:45 ◼   ► such a great move right this is like you

00:19:47 ◼   ► think we got a deal but we don't yet I'm

00:19:49 ◼   ► going to I need a little bit more from

00:19:50 ◼   ► you now it's amazing the the bit where

00:19:53 ◼   ► you know Vito is you know going around

00:19:55 ◼   ► and he's fully taken on the you know the

00:19:57 ◼   ► full powers of of the of the Godfather

00:20:00 ◼   ► Phoenix or whatever there there's so

00:20:03 ◼   ► many pop culture lifts and references

00:20:06 ◼   ► and satires and that kind of thing but

00:20:08 ◼   ► but this sequence is the source of one

00:20:10 ◼   ► of my favorites which is on The Simpsons

00:20:11 ◼   ► where you know Homer is decked out like

00:20:14 ◼   ► Vito and people are giving him donuts

00:20:15 ◼   ► and stuff and and that that for me you

00:20:19 ◼   ► know that that that that bit of the Vito

00:20:22 ◼   ► narrative especially coming at the I

00:20:25 ◼   ► guess you would say the the

00:20:26 ◼   ► cross-cutting point that it does is

00:20:28 ◼   ► again this this really great look at how

00:20:31 ◼   ► different from his father a Michael is

00:20:35 ◼   ► where Vito has risen to this level of

00:20:38 ◼   ► power and he he he treats women well

00:20:43 ◼   ► with us with a with a certain amount of

00:20:45 ◼   ► reverence and we have that juxtaposed

00:20:47 ◼   ► with Michael treating his wife like the

00:20:49 ◼   ► piece of window dressing that he's

00:20:52 ◼   ► effectively treated her as since the

00:20:53 ◼   ► first movie where you know he runs off

00:20:55 ◼   ► to Sicily to hide and goes oh yeah that

00:20:57 ◼   ► curly was dating who cares this the

00:21:00 ◼   ► Sicilian woman this will be a good match

00:21:02 ◼   ► for me as I rise into my role and so on

00:21:04 ◼   ► you know and it you know it would have

00:21:06 ◼   ► been a better match than because he

00:21:07 ◼   ► wanted he wanted a woman who was willing

00:21:09 ◼   ► to be subservient and K exactly

00:21:11 ◼   ► independent but when he came back if I

00:21:13 ◼   ► like it was in the first movie it's like

00:21:15 ◼   ► now I need this except he like went

00:21:16 ◼   ► shopping for a wife accessory like I've

00:21:18 ◼   ► come back I have to fulfill this role as

00:21:20 ◼   ► an American thing she'll do is my wife

00:21:22 ◼   ► accessory huh and she's not having that

00:21:24 ◼   ► he's got a shopping list okay I take the

00:21:26 ◼   ► garlic to fry I get the meat to brown I

00:21:28 ◼   ► getting the sauce I got the tomatoes can

00:21:30 ◼   ► we just talk about these things I've

00:21:32 ◼   ► know I've talked about this in I think

00:21:35 ◼   ► Marilyn and I did when we talked about

00:21:37 ◼   ► the The Godfather on my show a couple

00:21:40 ◼   ► months ago or a year ago or whatever but

00:21:42 ◼   ► the the art direction of the New York of

00:21:46 ◼   ► what was around 1920 or so yeah

00:21:48 ◼   ► I don't understand how they did it's the

00:21:52 ◼   ► great it the this the set dressing

00:21:54 ◼   ► there's III posited a couple times

00:21:57 ◼   ► looking at it and like the shots were

00:21:58 ◼   ► you're looking down these streets and

00:22:00 ◼   ► the right you know it just disappears

00:22:02 ◼   ► into the horizon and I guess that you

00:22:04 ◼   ► know it's matte paintings and no not a

00:22:07 ◼   ► single matte painting in the movie they

00:22:09 ◼   ► shot a lot of this stuff on location

00:22:11 ◼   ► movie - locations calm which would never

00:22:13 ◼   ► be wrong yeah

00:22:14 ◼   ► says that it was a redress of Sixth

00:22:16 ◼   ► Street in the East Village between

00:22:18 ◼   ► Avenue a and B in period dress again

00:22:20 ◼   ► it's actually just a dressed up part in

00:22:22 ◼   ► New York City it is amazing

00:22:24 ◼   ► John III found myself stopping at

00:22:27 ◼   ► several points me like oh my god this

00:22:29 ◼   ► looks so great how is this not real how

00:22:32 ◼   ► in the world did they make 1974 because

00:22:34 ◼   ► it was nineteen it was 1972 nineteen

00:22:36 ◼   ► nineteen seventy three New York yeah it

00:22:38 ◼   ► did it did help that New York was pretty

00:22:40 ◼   ► gross then it's just an amazing I like

00:22:42 ◼   ► the mixture of it to where it's the this

00:22:44 ◼   ► is the period where you could

00:22:45 ◼   ► legitimately have like there's some cars

00:22:47 ◼   ► going through but there's also some

00:22:49 ◼   ► animals going through it's that that

00:22:51 ◼   ► time where it's like it's a little late

00:22:53 ◼   ► for the animal traffic but not too late

00:22:54 ◼   ► there's still some in poorer parts of

00:22:56 ◼   ► town and then and the street is kind of

00:22:59 ◼   ► paved kind of but not very well and

00:23:02 ◼   ► they're all the little storefronts and

00:23:04 ◼   ► everything and all of these scenes look

00:23:06 ◼   ► great there they are

00:23:08 ◼   ► yeah a lot a lot of coats of paints on

00:23:09 ◼   ► everything I enjoy like most of the

00:23:11 ◼   ► doors and doorways and these buildings

00:23:12 ◼   ► that even though they're there's no

00:23:13 ◼   ► they're not that old at that point

00:23:14 ◼   ► they're painted over and the paint is

00:23:16 ◼   ► all chipped off and it just like good

00:23:18 ◼   ► especially the scene where where the

00:23:20 ◼   ► senior Roberta rubber is struggling to

00:23:22 ◼   ► get out like that comment that comedy

00:23:23 ◼   ► scene where he's he's oh yeah hate his

00:23:25 ◼   ► respect and he realized he can't he

00:23:26 ◼   ► can't work his or him all the way in and

00:23:28 ◼   ► the way out that's so great that's a

00:23:31 ◼   ► surprising moment of a gag in the movie

00:23:33 ◼   ► where it's like he really wants to be

00:23:35 ◼   ► out of there and he just he can't he

00:23:37 ◼   ► can't get in he can't get out and Vito

00:23:39 ◼   ► Vito just motions to his friend I really

00:23:41 ◼   ► loved get a lot of mosque a lot a mascot

00:23:44 ◼   ► Fredo gets put out of the family gets

00:23:46 ◼   ► gets you know I know it was you Fredo

00:23:48 ◼   ► you're nothing to me now again cold Mike

00:23:50 ◼   ► won't even be in the same room with it

00:23:52 ◼   ► with with him and his dead mother at the

00:23:54 ◼   ► same time and that's this big scene that

00:23:57 ◼   ► like you know there's the heart of this

00:23:58 ◼   ► movie I feel like that scene

00:24:00 ◼   ► I love this Tahoe set I love this house

00:24:02 ◼   ► I love everything about issued it and I

00:24:03 ◼   ► there with the the snow on the

00:24:05 ◼   ► windowsill and the lake behind them and

00:24:07 ◼   ► and there was that whole every frame of

00:24:09 ◼   ► painting thing about chairs that talked

00:24:11 ◼   ► a lot about the chair Fredo was in and

00:24:12 ◼   ► how it's like broken spine of the chair

00:24:14 ◼   ► yeah we're freighters like reclined back

00:24:16 ◼   ► yeah flopped on the thing exactly in a

00:24:19 ◼   ► chair looks like it has collapsed than

00:24:20 ◼   ► he is it doesn't it's it's a recliner

00:24:22 ◼   ► and he's barely staying it looks like it

00:24:24 ◼   ► fell down and he doesn't know how to put

00:24:26 ◼   ► it back it will looks like he collapsed

00:24:28 ◼   ► and the chair said all right I'm going

00:24:30 ◼   ► to accommodate this right and he and he

00:24:31 ◼   ► is like lurching out of it and twitching

00:24:33 ◼   ► from side to side and such an amazing

00:24:35 ◼   ► performance and like and vocally like

00:24:37 ◼   ► I'm asking to move email anytime soon

00:24:39 ◼   ► seem to us sometimes and still like I

00:24:41 ◼   ► get like pulled up in my seat and

00:24:43 ◼   ► stiffen up like because the whole scene

00:24:45 ◼   ► is like you know he's he's depressed

00:24:46 ◼   ► telling Mike about it and know it's

00:24:48 ◼   ► gonna be a hit but blah blah blah and

00:24:50 ◼   ► they start getting into it eventually

00:24:51 ◼   ► and then you get like it's very low-key

00:24:54 ◼   ► and Fredo is the first one to bring it

00:24:55 ◼   ► up but you got the taken care of me like

00:24:58 ◼   ► that that line the delivering of that

00:25:00 ◼   ► line is so amazing and so ever think

00:25:02 ◼   ► about that yeah and then he goes off on

00:25:04 ◼   ► that whole whole rant after but I can

00:25:05 ◼   ► handle things I'm smart not like

00:25:08 ◼   ► everybody says yeah and like a menace

00:25:10 ◼   ► that has got to be like the way he

00:25:12 ◼   ► delivers that I mean that's gotta be

00:25:13 ◼   ► ad-lib to the point of like look here's

00:25:15 ◼   ► roughly what you're gonna say but the

00:25:16 ◼   ► way he stumbles over he's not even able

00:25:18 ◼   ► to articulate his inarticulate anger at

00:25:21 ◼   ► being passed over and being the dimwit

00:25:23 ◼   ► person that he knows he's cap she's

00:25:25 ◼   ► capturing this thing we're like you know

00:25:26 ◼   ► that he is simmered for a long time but

00:25:29 ◼   ► I as somebody who missed speaks and

00:25:30 ◼   ► thinks off the top of their head I'm

00:25:31 ◼   ► telling you this is the feeling of a man

00:25:33 ◼   ► who's realizing how he feels as he's

00:25:36 ◼   ► describing how he feels and he nails

00:25:38 ◼   ► that perfectly for me you know the the

00:25:41 ◼   ► instinct is this feels like parts of

00:25:44 ◼   ► this were ad-lib you know because over

00:25:46 ◼   ► the years actors have made a big point

00:25:47 ◼   ► of oh yeah you know I I love that our

00:25:49 ◼   ► writers are fine with us going a little

00:25:51 ◼   ► bit off script and championing

00:25:52 ◼   ► themselves for being improvisational

00:25:54 ◼   ► geniuses writing dialogue but Jung

00:25:56 ◼   ► Casals background as a stage actor and

00:25:58 ◼   ► especially in the Strasburg school is

00:26:00 ◼   ► such that they're actors who do a

00:26:02 ◼   ► terrible job of they do what I call the

00:26:06 ◼   ► Disney Channel School of Acting when it

00:26:07 ◼   ► comes to stuttering over words or

00:26:09 ◼   ► stumbling over words where it's at

00:26:12 ◼   ► I I you know over pronouncing things and

00:26:15 ◼   ► it doesn't come off as authentic it

00:26:17 ◼   ► doesn't come off as off-the-cuff but

00:26:19 ◼   ► because all's training was such that you

00:26:22 ◼   ► know I this this for me is a master

00:26:24 ◼   ► class of this is the dialogue deliver

00:26:28 ◼   ► the dialogue is written we can rewrite

00:26:30 ◼   ► it to you know accommodate you know

00:26:32 ◼   ► natural beats and that kind of a thing

00:26:34 ◼   ► but this was him being off-book

00:26:37 ◼   ► you know par excellence at the peak of a

00:26:39 ◼   ► theater actors training and energy you

00:26:42 ◼   ► know it insults me as a retired theater

00:26:44 ◼   ► actor when people are like oh this

00:26:46 ◼   ► acting was too theatrical because it

00:26:48 ◼   ► brands theater acting as something that

00:26:50 ◼   ► is always over the top always over

00:26:52 ◼   ► exaggerated and I get that instinct but

00:26:54 ◼   ► for me the beauty of a classically

00:26:58 ◼   ► trained or brilliantly trained you know

00:27:00 ◼   ► whatever adjective you want to attach to

00:27:02 ◼   ► it theater actor is their ability to

00:27:04 ◼   ► take something like this and make it

00:27:06 ◼   ► feel improvised when it is scripted down

00:27:09 ◼   ► to a tee where you know you have a

00:27:11 ◼   ► cinematographer on this movie where you

00:27:14 ◼   ► know same cinematographer is the first

00:27:16 ◼   ► movie Gordon Willis where you you step

00:27:21 ◼   ► just a hair out of frame and the way

00:27:23 ◼   ► that he has things so darkly or over lit

00:27:25 ◼   ► it just blows the whole shot there's an

00:27:28 ◼   ► amazing amount of precision on display

00:27:30 ◼   ► here for for people who are especially

00:27:33 ◼   ► in this case playing something that is

00:27:35 ◼   ► supposed to feel shaggy and rough around

00:27:37 ◼   ► the edges and and imprecise and this

00:27:42 ◼   ► scene to me is among a lot of really

00:27:44 ◼   ► great stuff in this movie for me the

00:27:46 ◼   ► master class in acting we're just watch

00:27:49 ◼   ► what these guys do and then really watch

00:27:52 ◼   ► what these guys do and you get a really

00:27:54 ◼   ► appreciate for how incredibly hard this

00:27:56 ◼   ► is I feel like you can't even repeat his

00:27:58 ◼   ► is like his signature lines because you

00:28:00 ◼   ► know what he's trying to cite like what

00:28:02 ◼   ► you are along for his inner monologue

00:28:04 ◼   ► what comes out of his mouth is like if

00:28:05 ◼   ► you try to that you know from memory

00:28:07 ◼   ► without looking at the script or even

00:28:08 ◼   ► with looking the script which is usually

00:28:09 ◼   ► inaccurate you know like what it would

00:28:11 ◼   ► like you know I can handle things uh I'm

00:28:14 ◼   ► smart not not like people say not like

00:28:16 ◼   ► dumb smart like he's he's trying to get

00:28:19 ◼   ► that thought out and it interleaves

00:28:22 ◼   ► three sentences with each other all

00:28:24 ◼   ► abbreviated and if you write down

00:28:26 ◼   ► literally what he says like if you were

00:28:27 ◼   ► to turn on the subtitles or like

00:28:28 ◼   ► literally transcribe it it is incoherent

00:28:30 ◼   ► word salad but because of the way he

00:28:32 ◼   ► puts it out you see the two sentences he

00:28:34 ◼   ► was trying to say and how they have

00:28:36 ◼   ► mishmash says he came out of his mouth

00:28:38 ◼   ► and he's he's flailing in that chair

00:28:39 ◼   ► that's too soft and his hands are flying

00:28:41 ◼   ► all over the place and it's like it's

00:28:43 ◼   ► just it is so pathetic and Michael's

00:28:45 ◼   ► sitting there stone-faced and you know

00:28:47 ◼   ► waiting to deliver his big thing and as

00:28:49 ◼   ► Michael leaves the room like another one

00:28:51 ◼   ► of his killer

00:28:52 ◼   ► lines like I don't want anything to

00:28:54 ◼   ► happen to him as long as his mother is

00:28:56 ◼   ► live as long as her mother is alive it's

00:28:58 ◼   ► like oh oh oh yeah the moment the moment

00:29:02 ◼   ► you see mama in the casket you see that

00:29:04 ◼   ► mama has died but you were also you

00:29:06 ◼   ► should be noticing in the same moment Oh

00:29:08 ◼   ► this means Fredo is going to die soon

00:29:10 ◼   ► they do such a heartbreaking thing with

00:29:12 ◼   ► the reconciliation and as he's hugging

00:29:14 ◼   ► them he looks up to his guy and the guy

00:29:15 ◼   ► that like the Hitman is like is shamed

00:29:18 ◼   ► the Hitman it cast his eyes downwards

00:29:21 ◼   ► once he realized what this means the

00:29:23 ◼   ► Hitman is finally like I can't even

00:29:26 ◼   ► I killed the prostitute for you I this

00:29:28 ◼   ► is this is beyond the pale like you're

00:29:29 ◼   ► making up with him you're giving them

00:29:31 ◼   ► the big hug finally we have reconciled

00:29:33 ◼   ► he's hugging you lovingly and you look

00:29:35 ◼   ► up at me and it's great you know it's

00:29:37 ◼   ► not like he gives them a nod or a wink

00:29:39 ◼   ► he just looks at them and the guy goes

00:29:41 ◼   ► oh it's days like that that it's hard to

00:29:44 ◼   ► go into the offices yeah it's hard you

00:29:46 ◼   ► know sometimes you wake up and you're

00:29:48 ◼   ► like you enjoy your job but other days

00:29:49 ◼   ► you're like I don't want to be a hitman

00:29:51 ◼   ► today you know what's a great scene

00:29:53 ◼   ► great scene with Fredo is the scene

00:29:55 ◼   ► where he and Mike Mikey jr. that the

00:29:57 ◼   ► kids name we're going on the boat in the

00:29:59 ◼   ► morning and his little story about at

00:30:01 ◼   ► the time that he and you know it's true

00:30:03 ◼   ► you know it's true that there was a time

00:30:04 ◼   ► where he went out with his brothers in

00:30:06 ◼   ► his pop and he was the one who caught a

00:30:07 ◼   ► fish and you know as a kid is insecure

00:30:10 ◼   ► right ly insecure because he is the

00:30:12 ◼   ► dim-witted brother but to have your day

00:30:15 ◼   ► where you were the one who caught a fish

00:30:16 ◼   ► and you know he believes that shit about

00:30:18 ◼   ► the Hail Marys you know yeah he'd be

00:30:20 ◼   ► he's not snowing the kid he's letting

00:30:23 ◼   ► him in he's you know a little secret in

00:30:25 ◼   ► the uncle yeah he's the he's the uncle

00:30:27 ◼   ► who doesn't have any kids of his own and

00:30:28 ◼   ► here here's one of the things that he's

00:30:30 ◼   ► always you know he's probably kept

00:30:32 ◼   ► inside for what like thirty five years

00:30:34 ◼   ► when finally finally maybe there's

00:30:35 ◼   ► somebody in the family who could really

00:30:36 ◼   ► admire him

00:30:37 ◼   ► like that he's the perfect uncle for the

00:30:40 ◼   ► kids because he's at your level and you

00:30:41 ◼   ► don't realize that until you get old he

00:30:43 ◼   ► takes you out position right they like

00:30:44 ◼   ► he's to everybody's disappointed when

00:30:46 ◼   ► when at the end at the end of the film

00:30:48 ◼   ► they say oh you know uh Michael wants

00:30:51 ◼   ► him in the house now cuz he's gonna go

00:30:53 ◼   ► to Reno and and you know the kids

00:30:55 ◼   ► disappointed he was going out on the on

00:30:57 ◼   ► the lake to go fishing with his uncle

00:30:58 ◼   ► and now his uncle's gonna get shot in

00:31:00 ◼   ► the head

00:31:01 ◼   ► you know disappointing I mean that's

00:31:03 ◼   ► what Fredo has been in the sand for so

00:31:05 ◼   ► long and like even uh you know going

00:31:06 ◼   ► back to Goodfellas even what's-her-name

00:31:09 ◼   ► Karen knows not to go down for coats

00:31:11 ◼   ► down the alley but afraid I was like oh

00:31:12 ◼   ► you got to be pulled away well let's go

00:31:14 ◼   ► out fishin anyway it'll be fine it's

00:31:15 ◼   ► like I'll free fishing with the bag man

00:31:17 ◼   ► it'll be fine

00:31:18 ◼   ► look a real wrong and that's the thing

00:31:20 ◼   ► like it always it always seems like a

00:31:21 ◼   ► cruel and sort of like a weird trope

00:31:23 ◼   ► that it's not enough to kill the person

00:31:25 ◼   ► it's like the most important it's like

00:31:28 ◼   ► they're kind of like a weird Greek

00:31:29 ◼   ► mythology like demon who can only kill

00:31:31 ◼   ► you when you're at the peak of believing

00:31:34 ◼   ► that they are your best friend so you

00:31:35 ◼   ► have to put that you have to like it's

00:31:37 ◼   ► not if you can just go and shoot them in

00:31:38 ◼   ► the head it'll be fine but it's like

00:31:39 ◼   ► actually come with us and we're going to

00:31:41 ◼   ► take you to the airport and here's your

00:31:42 ◼   ► tickets Carlo and everything's fine you

00:31:44 ◼   ► have to go through that dance because

00:31:46 ◼   ► like you know according to the laws of

00:31:47 ◼   ► the Elder Gods this is this is the only

00:31:50 ◼   ► way to kill somebody you can't make them

00:31:52 ◼   ► feel as close as possible and then kill

00:31:54 ◼   ► the business makes for dramatic movies

00:31:55 ◼   ► and it makes you feel like you can't

00:31:57 ◼   ► trust anybody because at the moment when

00:31:58 ◼   ► you when you feel that you have

00:32:00 ◼   ► reconciled that things are finally fine

00:32:02 ◼   ► with Michael that you know that

00:32:04 ◼   ► everybody's going to get paid that it's

00:32:06 ◼   ► all all well and good that I'm gonna get

00:32:08 ◼   ► made today that is the point when they

00:32:09 ◼   ► kill you which so so crushed when Don

00:32:11 ◼   ► Vito Don Vito even lays that out in the

00:32:13 ◼   ► first movie you know he understands you

00:32:16 ◼   ► know he sees into the matrix of the way

00:32:18 ◼   ► that this mythology works she's like

00:32:19 ◼   ► alright so if they're going to kill you

00:32:21 ◼   ► it's going to happen when this happens

00:32:23 ◼   ► and the person who brings a prisoner

00:32:25 ◼   ► comes yeah exactly yeah you know he gets

00:32:28 ◼   ► it he understands all that stuff he has

00:32:30 ◼   ► that sit back be quiet and listen kind

00:32:34 ◼   ► of perspective where he's able to soak

00:32:36 ◼   ► it in and he he it's really difficult

00:32:38 ◼   ► for me to think of another character in

00:32:40 ◼   ► any of these mob movies who who sees the

00:32:44 ◼   ► progression of of the threads of fate

00:32:45 ◼   ► the way that Don Vito did and certainly

00:32:48 ◼   ► Michael has Michael has not

00:32:50 ◼   ► I fully learned all of those lessons

00:32:54 ◼   ► that he needs to know you know which we

00:32:57 ◼   ► if there were a third movie you know in

00:33:00 ◼   ► theory you know we would probably see

00:33:02 ◼   ► more of that kind of stuff play out if

00:33:05 ◼   ► there were third movie would probably be

00:33:06 ◼   ► really unfairly compared to you know two

00:33:09 ◼   ► movies that preceded I think Michael is

00:33:11 ◼   ► better the game than his father in many

00:33:13 ◼   ► many ways but his his flaws his

00:33:15 ◼   ► character flaws eventually are as

00:33:17 ◼   ► undoing like video is more of a

00:33:19 ◼   ► naturalistic one but like Michael

00:33:20 ◼   ► Michael had the mind to you know to

00:33:24 ◼   ► bring to bear in a situation that even

00:33:26 ◼   ► Vito might have had trouble getting out

00:33:27 ◼   ► of in the first movie like to bring it

00:33:28 ◼   ► all together especially as a new thing

00:33:31 ◼   ► right and and in this movie I feel like

00:33:33 ◼   ► Michael does a really good job of

00:33:34 ◼   ► navigating some dangerous waters that he

00:33:36 ◼   ► almost goes into some day like his his

00:33:39 ◼   ► business success of this movie is only

00:33:41 ◼   ► undercut by his total by the total wreck

00:33:44 ◼   ► of his life that the rest of his you

00:33:46 ◼   ► know his insecurities and his anger and

00:33:49 ◼   ► as his flaws

00:33:51 ◼   ► tear down around him but he like this

00:33:53 ◼   ► movie he does he does best time in Roth

00:33:55 ◼   ► he does vanquish his enemies and it's

00:33:57 ◼   ► it's all for nothing which is the whole

00:33:58 ◼   ► you know sale of this movie so he is

00:34:00 ◼   ► actually very good at it but he can't

00:34:01 ◼   ► he's not as self-aware as Vito or if not

00:34:04 ◼   ► a self-aware he's not a self-assured as

00:34:05 ◼   ► we know and that it drives him to do

00:34:07 ◼   ► things that are self-destructive

00:34:09 ◼   ► we haven't once mentioned to my

00:34:11 ◼   ► recollection Robert Duvall Tom Tommy no

00:34:15 ◼   ► we haven't

00:34:16 ◼   ► House house that we're on the cassis

00:34:18 ◼   ► he's just that damn smooth John he's

00:34:21 ◼   ► just that damn she also I love him I

00:34:23 ◼   ► love him I feel great I think I think

00:34:26 ◼   ► he's at his best as I think is he's so

00:34:29 ◼   ► great I want him as my lawyer when he

00:34:30 ◼   ► when he interrupts the Senators to say

00:34:32 ◼   ► hey he's a couple of your questions he

00:34:34 ◼   ► wants to read a statement well by the

00:34:36 ◼   ► way he also has stock in ITT like he's

00:34:38 ◼   ► always got these always got the the

00:34:39 ◼   ► additional information you may not be

00:34:40 ◼   ► aware of that's yes doc in this company

00:34:42 ◼   ► but also in these other legitimate

00:34:43 ◼   ► companies what do you think of that I

00:34:44 ◼   ► also feel though that much like Diane

00:34:47 ◼   ► Keaton it's it's not as good a role as

00:34:50 ◼   ► in the first movie yeah we might do in

00:34:52 ◼   ► the first time yeah and any any he is

00:34:54 ◼   ► also part of the destruction of the

00:34:56 ◼   ► family went like Tom we thought of as

00:34:58 ◼   ► our guy and so you know how do we feel

00:34:59 ◼   ► about him in the first movie it's like

00:35:00 ◼   ► it's all great in this movie Michael in

00:35:02 ◼   ► one of his fits of you

00:35:04 ◼   ► external izing his internal issues

00:35:06 ◼   ► lashes out at him and says I thought you

00:35:08 ◼   ► and your wife and your kid and your

00:35:09 ◼   ► mistress we're going to leave me and

00:35:11 ◼   ► take that job it's like why do you hurt

00:35:12 ◼   ► me Michael like and so tom is revealed

00:35:14 ◼   ► as a person with his own flaws and his

00:35:17 ◼   ► situation isn't as great as you think it

00:35:19 ◼   ► is either and and like once Michael is

00:35:21 ◼   ► questioning Tom's loyalty like then

00:35:23 ◼   ► everything has fallen apart well in the

00:35:24 ◼   ► first movie he's the he's the

00:35:26 ◼   ► consigliere in this movie he's the he's

00:35:28 ◼   ► the enable area

00:35:29 ◼   ► he's just an enabler for Michael and all

00:35:32 ◼   ► of his regardless of what his instincts

00:35:34 ◼   ► are he is there to facilitate just

00:35:37 ◼   ► facilitate A to B I love that scene what

00:35:40 ◼   ► I love about it when when Michael is

00:35:42 ◼   ► mean to Tom is Tom Hagen shows who we

00:35:47 ◼   ► know he is which is absolutely loyal

00:35:50 ◼   ► like the whole time he takes it why are

00:35:54 ◼   ► you doing this to me Mike you know he

00:35:57 ◼   ► says again and again of course I'm with

00:35:59 ◼   ► you I'm not taking that job I'm not

00:36:01 ◼   ► going to work for someone else every job

00:36:02 ◼   ► I turn down he's like you know there's

00:36:04 ◼   ► no question that I'm with you and I'm

00:36:06 ◼   ► with the family and and I think it shows

00:36:08 ◼   ► just how lost Michael is that he's

00:36:11 ◼   ► questioning the loyalty of the only

00:36:13 ◼   ► loyal man that just how lost and

00:36:16 ◼   ► confused he must be a bit but I think it

00:36:18 ◼   ► also reveals Tom as his own flawed

00:36:20 ◼   ► pursuer like he's not the perfect person

00:36:22 ◼   ► we always thought he was - that

00:36:23 ◼   ► everything is falling apart that the

00:36:24 ◼   ► thing that used to hold us all together

00:36:26 ◼   ► they could have their private lives of

00:36:28 ◼   ► whatever things are going on but it was

00:36:30 ◼   ► always you know we're in this together

00:36:32 ◼   ► and once that falls apart now you're

00:36:34 ◼   ► just a bunch of people with crappy home

00:36:35 ◼   ► lives and also the bonds that used to

00:36:39 ◼   ► tie the family daily to its decaying

00:36:40 ◼   ► Empire right I mean this is the rise and

00:36:42 ◼   ► fall of the Corleone he pulls out you

00:36:44 ◼   ► know like the Roman Empire Tom says it

00:36:46 ◼   ► was once yeah I want to ask about

00:36:48 ◼   ► Patanjali because this is an interesting

00:36:50 ◼   ► scene that happens where like we don't

00:36:52 ◼   ► know how to get to him it's impossible

00:36:53 ◼   ► how we going to get to him I don't know

00:36:55 ◼   ► and then and then we don't see again we

00:36:58 ◼   ► don't see what happens and the next

00:36:59 ◼   ► thing that happens is that Mike comes

00:37:02 ◼   ► into the Senate hearing with this guy

00:37:06 ◼   ► there's older Italian gentleman perfect

00:37:10 ◼   ► who perfectly nails what a fish out of

00:37:12 ◼   ► water he is some

00:37:14 ◼   ► wrong outfit for this little time we

00:37:15 ◼   ► have not given a shout out for costume

00:37:17 ◼   ► and design and production designing this

00:37:19 ◼   ► but like so perfectly Neely it's this

00:37:22 ◼   ► guy who looks like he just landed on

00:37:23 ◼   ► Venus yeah oh he just wants to go home

00:37:26 ◼   ► he just wants to go home hello I am here

00:37:28 ◼   ► eat your human foods that the Senators

00:37:31 ◼   ► asked about it who is that guy he keeps

00:37:32 ◼   ► looking back at them can you intersted

00:37:34 ◼   ► Thomas kind of at I speak a word of

00:37:36 ◼   ► English he's just visiting then and

00:37:39 ◼   ► there's the thing they never explain it

00:37:40 ◼   ► like is that in the one time I was asked

00:37:42 ◼   ► about it's between the brother all right

00:37:43 ◼   ► well that's it then

00:37:44 ◼   ► I mean you could surmise many theories

00:37:46 ◼   ► about like I don't want to do something

00:37:47 ◼   ► shameful in front of my brother who I

00:37:49 ◼   ► respect or without like but who knows

00:37:50 ◼   ► what the backstory is that but you don't

00:37:51 ◼   ► need though it's between the brothers

00:37:52 ◼   ► but we do know that his brother is could

00:37:55 ◼   ► have been a come over and been and run

00:37:57 ◼   ► one of the families that is also

00:37:58 ◼   ► presumably he maybe is in this business

00:38:00 ◼   ► back in Sicily and that and therefore

00:38:04 ◼   ► knows the code and his brother would be

00:38:06 ◼   ► completely shamed in doing this in front

00:38:08 ◼   ► of him but whatever the reason I don't

00:38:10 ◼   ► think so I I didn't I I thought used to

00:38:12 ◼   ► think that but now I don't think so I

00:38:13 ◼   ► think this guy is probably I think this

00:38:15 ◼   ► guy is probably like a like a real

00:38:16 ◼   ► citizen and it's just a matter of seeing

00:38:18 ◼   ► his brother breaking I don't know omerta

00:38:21 ◼   ► like breaking the code is just just

00:38:23 ◼   ► whether or not you're involved in the

00:38:25 ◼   ► system you know that it is not okay to

00:38:26 ◼   ► break it's a it's a family it's like you

00:38:28 ◼   ► can't bear to do this in front of in

00:38:30 ◼   ► front of your family like it's hard

00:38:32 ◼   ► enough he knows he's shaming himself but

00:38:33 ◼   ► he's under the thumb and if you're in

00:38:34 ◼   ► the environment just playing cards with

00:38:36 ◼   ► the FBI guys you can convince yourself

00:38:37 ◼   ► this is the thing to do right but you

00:38:40 ◼   ► know there there is the egg noodles and

00:38:41 ◼   ► ketchup factor which does come in when

00:38:43 ◼   ► he's realizing not gonna spend a whole

00:38:44 ◼   ► life in these rooms with these suckers

00:38:45 ◼   ► and you know all you'll be protected

00:38:47 ◼   ► Bubba blah you'll live great out here

00:38:48 ◼   ► like what kind of life is that and then

00:38:50 ◼   ► to see the brother it's like I can't I

00:38:52 ◼   ► can't go through with this and who knows

00:38:53 ◼   ► if you would even be able to go through

00:38:54 ◼   ► with it with Michael there because he

00:38:55 ◼   ► doesn't he doesn't want to turn in

00:38:57 ◼   ► Michael he hates these guys he hates the

00:38:58 ◼   ► government this is some sort of an

00:39:00 ◼   ► intercession by Michael to make a make a

00:39:03 ◼   ► statement or make a threat or me or in

00:39:06 ◼   ► some way just induce the behavior that

00:39:09 ◼   ► he wants out of Frankie at this point

00:39:12 ◼   ► which I you know it's difficult to say

00:39:15 ◼   ► because again especially by this point

00:39:17 ◼   ► in the movie Michael you know we we do

00:39:21 ◼   ► learn a lot about him and the way that

00:39:22 ◼   ► he operates and who he is on the inside

00:39:24 ◼   ► and everything

00:39:25 ◼   ► but the reason that I think the the

00:39:26 ◼   ► moment is difficult to read is that we

00:39:29 ◼   ► can't tell if it's meant as a threat or

00:39:31 ◼   ► if it's meant as just a a memory jog or

00:39:35 ◼   ► a you know you you should know better

00:39:38 ◼   ► that you know that that that you would

00:39:41 ◼   ► think that it would be you know me that

00:39:42 ◼   ► would come at you the way that you did

00:39:43 ◼   ► if you you know he's already sworn the

00:39:45 ◼   ► affidavit he's already on the train and

00:39:47 ◼   ► and it's running and it's a matter of

00:39:49 ◼   ► you know whatever whatever Michael's

00:39:52 ◼   ► direct intent was what he wanted was the

00:39:55 ◼   ► the end result which was getting him to

00:39:58 ◼   ► recant and say oh I don't know you know

00:40:00 ◼   ► these guys make me write all kinds of

00:40:01 ◼   ► crazy things yeah I think the brothers

00:40:03 ◼   ► conception of what's going on it's

00:40:04 ◼   ► different than Michaels and pant Angele

00:40:07 ◼   ► understands that difference he

00:40:08 ◼   ► understands the brother is here and is

00:40:10 ◼   ► concerned and he'd be shamed in front

00:40:11 ◼   ► but I think he also understands shame or

00:40:14 ◼   ► no shame Michael is kind of saying I

00:40:15 ◼   ► could also kill your brother if you go

00:40:17 ◼   ► through with this yeah and the brother

00:40:18 ◼   ► probably doesn't know her that but yeah

00:40:20 ◼   ► I think that's that's subtle but it's

00:40:21 ◼   ► there yeah I love a Frank Pentangeli

00:40:24 ◼   ► she's the way when he realized when he

00:40:26 ◼   ► changes his mind and realize you know I

00:40:36 ◼   ► don't know nothing about he is he's

00:40:39 ◼   ► already established as as a sort of uh

00:40:42 ◼   ► you know a bon vivant you know he's he's

00:40:46 ◼   ► a guy who's you know he lives life large

00:40:47 ◼   ► like he's not just gonna clam up and say

00:40:49 ◼   ► nothing like he skis if he's gonna if

00:40:52 ◼   ► he's gonna switch sides he's gonna do it

00:40:54 ◼   ► big yeah it's great any any reaction

00:40:57 ◼   ► shots of these various senators and

00:40:59 ◼   ► things are like looking at paper like

00:41:00 ◼   ► when I have this Rafa David here and

00:41:02 ◼   ► he's like I don't even where the folders

00:41:08 ◼   ► bring a good result you know what you

00:41:10 ◼   ► thinking of I was in the olive oil

00:41:11 ◼   ► business is amazing Oh years ago my wife

00:41:15 ◼   ► pointed out and my wife was an attorney

00:41:18 ◼   ► and and when we watched the oj movies

00:41:20 ◼   ► this year there's the the fake one that

00:41:21 ◼   ► they're fiction one and the documentary

00:41:23 ◼   ► from ESPN and they're both great but you

00:41:25 ◼   ► know clearly one of the huge turning

00:41:26 ◼   ► points and that was that Chris Darden

00:41:28 ◼   ► did the glove thing and she said the

00:41:30 ◼   ► thing that makes it so ridiculous is

00:41:32 ◼   ► that you learn one of the things you

00:41:33 ◼   ► learn in law school didn't matter what

00:41:34 ◼   ► type of law you do if you're doing

00:41:35 ◼   ► criminal or anything you never put any

00:41:37 ◼   ► witness on the stand unless you know

00:41:38 ◼   ► actly what exactly right it's it and it

00:41:41 ◼   ► doesn't matter it's you already know

00:41:42 ◼   ► exactly what they're going to say and

00:41:44 ◼   ► the senators are all lawyers you know

00:41:45 ◼   ► they know and these this it's not really

00:41:47 ◼   ► a legal proceeding it's a Senate you

00:41:48 ◼   ► know but that it that's the shock that

00:41:51 ◼   ► they have and the go get the papers in

00:41:53 ◼   ► the turmoil is if is completely legit

00:41:55 ◼   ► and if you ever watch real you know even

00:41:57 ◼   ► today like on c-span it everybody knows

00:42:00 ◼   ► exactly what they're gonna say you know

00:42:02 ◼   ► it's so somebody who actually says

00:42:04 ◼   ► something completely opposite it really

00:42:06 ◼   ► would just make the whole proceeding

00:42:07 ◼   ► crawl like the scaffolding the

00:42:09 ◼   ► scaffolding just all comes down those

00:42:11 ◼   ► Senate hearings they're they're all

00:42:12 ◼   ► about you know the game of theater and

00:42:15 ◼   ► stage stage craft and it really it just

00:42:19 ◼   ► comes down like a literal house of cards

00:42:21 ◼   ► but I wanted to bring back to you know

00:42:25 ◼   ► hey I love seeing Roger Corman but at

00:42:26 ◼   ► the same time while all these other guys

00:42:28 ◼   ► are like freaked out and panicked and

00:42:30 ◼   ► everything Roger Corman is just staring

00:42:31 ◼   ► straight ahead just kind of sitting

00:42:33 ◼   ► there just everyday everything's just

00:42:35 ◼   ► tumbling down around all the other guys

00:42:37 ◼   ► are like oh we need to look at these

00:42:39 ◼   ► folders hey where'd the folders go are

00:42:41 ◼   ► good give me the folder that has the the

00:42:42 ◼   ► thing at all look that was also

00:42:45 ◼   ► mentioning that so this was shot I think

00:42:48 ◼   ► it started in toward the end of 73 that

00:42:51 ◼   ► that would be you know basically that

00:42:53 ◼   ► that spring and summer of 73 was

00:42:58 ◼   ► Watergate so I think that this is an

00:43:01 ◼   ► image that is you know the Watergate

00:43:03 ◼   ► hearings I think this was very resonant

00:43:05 ◼   ► probably with the feeling at the time

00:43:06 ◼   ► let's talk about our last major block

00:43:10 ◼   ► with Robert De Niro which is return to

00:43:14 ◼   ► Sicily uh uh guess what he remembers

00:43:18 ◼   ► remembered after they get off the train

00:43:21 ◼   ► wasn't he wasn't worried about the words

00:43:23 ◼   ► what was your name yeah they're met by

00:43:25 ◼   ► an older man and woman who I assume are

00:43:28 ◼   ► the people who put him in the bag and

00:43:31 ◼   ► wrote him out on the donkey oh wow I

00:43:33 ◼   ► never thought about that never thought

00:43:34 ◼   ► ID not but I just guessed I mean it was

00:43:36 ◼   ► a husband and a wife who squirreled him

00:43:38 ◼   ► out right then maybe and maybe it's

00:43:40 ◼   ► meant to be them but I don't know I yeah

00:43:42 ◼   ► I don't know if it's the same actors are

00:43:43 ◼   ► just meant to be the same characters or

00:43:45 ◼   ► what but you know but they're it's an

00:43:47 ◼   ► older pair and they meet him at the

00:43:48 ◼   ► train station there's people there and

00:43:50 ◼   ► they and they they take them around and

00:43:52 ◼   ► and and he's in Sicily and it's great

00:43:54 ◼   ► and then they go to don don t Gio's

00:43:57 ◼   ► place which we remember from the

00:43:59 ◼   ► beginning of the movie is still sitting

00:44:01 ◼   ► in the same chair it was very old at

00:44:03 ◼   ► this point and I like that the again the

00:44:06 ◼   ► movie makes you wonder what the details

00:44:10 ◼   ► are like I am convinced that Robert De

00:44:15 ◼   ► Niro right the Vito is there to exact

00:44:17 ◼   ► his revenge on Don ciccio's

00:44:19 ◼   ► but I do have a question of like is this

00:44:21 ◼   ► a pretense that he's put everybody onto

00:44:24 ◼   ► into to get him close to Don TG oh yeah

00:44:27 ◼   ► the whole thing we're gonna coming back

00:44:28 ◼   ► to pay our respects and maybe we'll deal

00:44:30 ◼   ► with you we brought the olive oil that's

00:44:32 ◼   ► one of my favorite little things along

00:44:33 ◼   ► with along with Hyman Roth berry sticks

00:44:35 ◼   ► when he hands me one is it his assistant

00:44:38 ◼   ► handsome the big jug of olive oil

00:44:40 ◼   ► and the eye looks at it and he goes yeah

00:44:42 ◼   ► yeah we want me yeah like you can play

00:44:45 ◼   ► that back of the old man looking to be

00:44:47 ◼   ► olive oil for a second and going yeah

00:44:49 ◼   ► yeah and gives it back to him yeah it's

00:44:51 ◼   ► olive oil but that's that's all to be

00:44:53 ◼   ► like yeah I'm ingratiating myself to you

00:44:55 ◼   ► come come closer I can't see you I do

00:44:57 ◼   ► like them there's a shot of them like

00:44:58 ◼   ► checking out the guards as they're

00:45:01 ◼   ► walking up like they know we're just you

00:45:03 ◼   ► know yeah yeah they got a skate plan

00:45:05 ◼   ► Tommasino doesn't come out too well this

00:45:07 ◼   ► is why he ends up in a wheelchair in the

00:45:08 ◼   ► other movies that's a nice little pretty

00:45:10 ◼   ► cool you know oh I didn't know that cuz

00:45:12 ◼   ► he gets shot he gets shot right to get

00:45:14 ◼   ► away and then as they seen him back off

00:45:16 ◼   ► to America on the trainings in the

00:45:17 ◼   ► wheelchair and Linda got father Mun when

00:45:19 ◼   ► he goes to Thomas you know guy meets um

00:45:20 ◼   ► yeah Wow see we're revealing all the

00:45:22 ◼   ► secrets of the Godfather expanded

00:45:24 ◼   ► universe like all the little bits of

00:45:26 ◼   ► Canon that otherwise you missed there's

00:45:28 ◼   ► so many characters it's hard to keep

00:45:29 ◼   ► track of the players you know like it's

00:45:31 ◼   ► it's not as if there is so many other

00:45:34 ◼   ► movies do this in a in a sort of on the

00:45:37 ◼   ► nose why even even I think the more you

00:45:39 ◼   ► know more subtle but still uh more

00:45:42 ◼   ► blatant the things in this movies like

00:45:43 ◼   ► Indiana Jones getting the scar on his

00:45:45 ◼   ► chin right with the way down right

00:45:46 ◼   ► you're like oh that's why I Harrison

00:45:48 ◼   ► Ford slashed Indiana noses scar because

00:45:50 ◼   ► they kind of put a pin in it but Thomas

00:45:51 ◼   ► you know getting shot and carried to the

00:45:53 ◼   ► car and then being in the wheelchair

00:45:54 ◼   ► they don't they don't dwell Matt it just

00:45:56 ◼   ► happens to be there and if you don't

00:45:57 ◼   ► notice it right yeah the the scar on

00:45:59 ◼   ► Vito's neck

00:46:00 ◼   ► there was a deleted scene in a version

00:46:03 ◼   ► of movie that Coppola has said

00:46:05 ◼   ► originally the intercutting was like it

00:46:06 ◼   ► went back and forth like 20 times and

00:46:08 ◼   ► now it goes back and forth you know I

00:46:10 ◼   ► think they're like twelve segments of

00:46:11 ◼   ► the movie now but he said it was much

00:46:13 ◼   ► more intercut there was a bunch more

00:46:14 ◼   ► stuff in there it was closer to four

00:46:16 ◼   ► hours it was a mess but you know there

00:46:19 ◼   ► there are those bits of you know

00:46:20 ◼   ► additional detail and everything and

00:46:23 ◼   ► bringing up this kind of oh so that

00:46:25 ◼   ► links to this and oh I didn't never

00:46:26 ◼   ► notice that that kind of thing one of my

00:46:28 ◼   ► favorite things about the the series of

00:46:30 ◼   ► The Sopranos we shouldn't go on a

00:46:32 ◼   ► Sopranos tangent but you know for me the

00:46:35 ◼   ► the thing that I think made that show

00:46:37 ◼   ► work so well right out of the gate is

00:46:39 ◼   ► that it was about the first generations

00:46:41 ◼   ► of these guys after these types of

00:46:44 ◼   ► movies existed being able to comment on

00:46:46 ◼   ► them and constantly refer to them and

00:46:49 ◼   ► misquote them and do bad impressions of

00:46:51 ◼   ► characters from them and and look at and

00:46:55 ◼   ► look at look at this from their own lens

00:46:57 ◼   ► and and it's you know it's it's like

00:47:01 ◼   ► them arguing about Star Wars minutiae

00:47:02 ◼   ► it's it's incredibly dorky within the

00:47:05 ◼   ► context of you know meatheads who kill

00:47:07 ◼   ► each other for a living

00:47:09 ◼   ► the other thing about this this going

00:47:13 ◼   ► back to the homeland sequence that that

00:47:15 ◼   ► I wanted to mention was him closing

00:47:18 ◼   ► these different loops you know whether

00:47:19 ◼   ► you look at these flashbacks as

00:47:21 ◼   ► something that is within Michael's

00:47:24 ◼   ► consciousness or him having a version of

00:47:27 ◼   ► all these different events that have

00:47:28 ◼   ► been told to him there's definitely got

00:47:31 ◼   ► to be a chunk of this stuff that he was

00:47:35 ◼   ► told about very specifically because I

00:47:37 ◼   ► feel like I feel like his dad telling

00:47:40 ◼   ► him about the events of the return to

00:47:42 ◼   ► the homeland and exacting justice and

00:47:44 ◼   ► that kind of thing that Michael learned

00:47:46 ◼   ► exactly the wrong lessons about it in

00:47:48 ◼   ► terms of you know closing loops and and

00:47:51 ◼   ► that sort of thing and and Michael just

00:47:54 ◼   ► going a bit overboard in closing loops

00:47:57 ◼   ► that you don't necessarily even have to

00:47:58 ◼   ► close that it's it's not even a matter

00:48:01 ◼   ► of honor it's it's a matter of you know

00:48:02 ◼   ► him being reactionary or just you know

00:48:06 ◼   ► feeling feeling like he's he's going to

00:48:08 ◼   ► he's going to show people who's boss and

00:48:10 ◼   ► the infrastructure Vito built up the

00:48:12 ◼   ► infrastructure that is there for Michael

00:48:13 ◼   ► later when he has to be sent off to

00:48:15 ◼   ► Italy like that that these people he has

00:48:18 ◼   ► relationships and how

00:48:19 ◼   ► they've helped him like the whole

00:48:20 ◼   ► Godfather cliche thing if you do me a

00:48:22 ◼   ► favor I do you a favor seems like oh

00:48:24 ◼   ► that's a way that I get leverage on you

00:48:25 ◼   ► know it's legitimate way that he builds

00:48:27 ◼   ► relationships sometimes it's you know

00:48:29 ◼   ► with leverage but other times it is we

00:48:31 ◼   ► are in this together Thomas you know

00:48:33 ◼   ► helps me out later I send my son to them

00:48:35 ◼   ► that takes care of it and like the

00:48:36 ◼   ► people who help me out of the village

00:48:37 ◼   ► I'm going to the people here I'm going

00:48:39 ◼   ► to see them again like it's it's a

00:48:40 ◼   ► network of relationships that he builds

00:48:42 ◼   ► that support his empire more so than

00:48:45 ◼   ► ruling through fear which is ends up

00:48:46 ◼   ► being Michaels thing some day and that

00:48:48 ◼   ► day may never come this film ends with a

00:48:53 ◼   ► couple of intercut things right boy

00:48:58 ◼   ► as we talked we talked a little bit

00:48:59 ◼   ► about the funeral and about Fredo and

00:49:00 ◼   ► all of that and about Michael and Kay

00:49:02 ◼   ► having their falling-out but one thing

00:49:04 ◼   ► that we haven't really gotten to at the

00:49:05 ◼   ► end here is not only do we have Fredo

00:49:06 ◼   ► who is going fishing son the son is

00:49:11 ◼   ► called away Fredo goes out on the lake

00:49:13 ◼   ► with a guy but we also have our friend

00:49:15 ◼   ► Fant Anjali who is visited by Tom Hagen

00:49:20 ◼   ► who reminds him that in the Roman Empire

00:49:22 ◼   ► often what would happen to the people

00:49:25 ◼   ► who tried to commit treason against the

00:49:27 ◼   ► Emperor was that they would kill

00:49:29 ◼   ► themselves they'd sit in a bath pent

00:49:31 ◼   ► Angele remembers and cut their wrists

00:49:34 ◼   ► open and bleed out but and they would

00:49:37 ◼   ► die sometimes they'd even have a big

00:49:38 ◼   ► party beforehand but what would what

00:49:40 ◼   ► that would mean is that the family of

00:49:42 ◼   ► the of the dead person would be taking

00:49:44 ◼   ► care of the family wouldn't be destroyed

00:49:46 ◼   ► it would just be the sacrifice made by

00:49:48 ◼   ► the leader of the family and we get that

00:49:50 ◼   ► intercut which of course leads to Fredo

00:49:52 ◼   ► being killed out on Lake Tahoe and

00:49:55 ◼   ► potentially being found by his FBI

00:49:57 ◼   ► guards in the bathtub having killed

00:50:00 ◼   ► himself in order to take care of the

00:50:01 ◼   ► press we got poor Hyman Roth he just

00:50:03 ◼   ► wants to vote yeah yes killed me Airport

00:50:06 ◼   ► this is a mirror of the first movie with

00:50:08 ◼   ► the five families getting killed all

00:50:09 ◼   ► once it's fewer people getting killed

00:50:11 ◼   ► but it's the orchestrated final murder

00:50:12 ◼   ► sequence this is your Endicott right

00:50:14 ◼   ► right behind Roth who can't be reached

00:50:15 ◼   ► oh well maybe we can reach him and he

00:50:17 ◼   ► basically it's like Jack Ruby style

00:50:19 ◼   ► where he gets off a plane he's

00:50:21 ◼   ► interviewed oh I'm just a penchant you

00:50:23 ◼   ► know a pensioner it got consistent

00:50:26 ◼   ► someone got a gun into an airport and

00:50:27 ◼   ► met him and literally exude walks up to

00:50:30 ◼   ► him and just shoots him

00:50:32 ◼   ► Point Blank and rhinos lion doesn't make

00:50:34 ◼   ► it out but first he let he laughs he

00:50:36 ◼   ► laughs a little bit and then he leans

00:50:37 ◼   ► into it that expressions like haha

00:50:38 ◼   ► that's funny cuz he's a reporter mr.

00:50:40 ◼   ► Roth mr. Roth yeah has a bullet yeah and

00:50:43 ◼   ► so that's all in a cut so this is yeah

00:50:44 ◼   ► this is the big explosion of violence at

00:50:47 ◼   ► the end of this although again it's a

00:50:48 ◼   ► little a little quieter compared to what

00:50:51 ◼   ► happens and yeah it's sadder because we

00:50:53 ◼   ► know this is not triumphant it is

00:50:54 ◼   ► Saturday the first one is so op this

00:50:56 ◼   ► first one is so big and so operatic and

00:50:58 ◼   ► so necessary and in this one it's you

00:51:01 ◼   ► know excluding I guess Hyman Roth I mean

00:51:04 ◼   ► even Hyman Roth like Haim Roth is more a

00:51:07 ◼   ► more sympathetic character than Michael

00:51:08 ◼   ► he's got six months to live at most and

00:51:11 ◼   ► Michael doesn't care I'm still

00:51:12 ◼   ► descending just to shoot him and

00:51:15 ◼   ► probably die in the process which he

00:51:18 ◼   ► does he does he does die yeah this one

00:51:20 ◼   ► it feels more like you want to turn away

00:51:22 ◼   ► a little bit more cuz all three of them

00:51:24 ◼   ► are like ah gee yeah like you don't

00:51:27 ◼   ► really want the all three you know it

00:51:28 ◼   ► says it's one thing to like take out Moe

00:51:30 ◼   ► green and also bring in The Sopranos

00:51:32 ◼   ► back into this for a second this movie

00:51:34 ◼   ► even with the the deal that's offered to

00:51:36 ◼   ► pant Angele like that you know but also

00:51:38 ◼   ► number looking back at their own empire

00:51:39 ◼   ► they both done reading about they know

00:51:41 ◼   ► the deal that you do this it's the

00:51:42 ◼   ► honorable thing to do would take care of

00:51:43 ◼   ► your family

00:51:44 ◼   ► this still even in the downfall of the

00:51:48 ◼   ► Corleone family in this movie and the

00:51:49 ◼   ► downfall of Michael and and just how

00:51:52 ◼   ► everything is falling apart and it's not

00:51:53 ◼   ► like it used to be still you come away

00:51:56 ◼   ► believing that they will take care of

00:51:57 ◼   ► pantangeles family in The Sopranos era

00:52:00 ◼   ► they will say that but your family is

00:52:02 ◼   ► like what once you Sopranos and in the

00:52:04 ◼   ► Goodfellas thing the whole thing is like

00:52:06 ◼   ► it is post this this era and it's like

00:52:08 ◼   ► we'll pretend that we're gonna take care

00:52:10 ◼   ► of your family but as soon as you're

00:52:11 ◼   ► gone forget it they don't get another

00:52:13 ◼   ► dime from us like the the honor is

00:52:15 ◼   ► completely out yeah I I really I really

00:52:17 ◼   ► caught that this this viewing that the

00:52:19 ◼   ► amount of coded speaking is it's very

00:52:22 ◼   ► straightforward the the the the the

00:52:24 ◼   ► coated speaking while the smoking cigars

00:52:25 ◼   ► they're in the chain-link area it's like

00:52:28 ◼   ► there doesn't even have to be like a

00:52:29 ◼   ► huge amount of like mmm like leaning

00:52:32 ◼   ► into it like Frankie just gets it he

00:52:34 ◼   ► knows that this is the thing to do and

00:52:35 ◼   ► he on the strength he just knows they'll

00:52:37 ◼   ► he'll be taken care of it was been and

00:52:39 ◼   ► they real and they really will it is not

00:52:40 ◼   ► a BS thing like it is in every

00:52:42 ◼   ► occurrence of this in the Sopranos and

00:52:43 ◼   ► most

00:52:44 ◼   ► them in Goodfellas that it's like every

00:52:45 ◼   ► man for himself and there is you know

00:52:47 ◼   ► there is no honor among thieves right

00:52:49 ◼   ► like the way that when when Henry was in

00:52:52 ◼   ► the joint doing his time the right way

00:52:54 ◼   ► you know even with and crewed up with a

00:52:56 ◼   ► bunch of his guys you know and they're

00:52:57 ◼   ► making that the meals and everything and

00:52:59 ◼   ► but nobody gets home he takes one look

00:53:01 ◼   ► around the place for Karen and the kids

00:53:02 ◼   ► aren't he's like pack your stuff we're

00:53:04 ◼   ► moving you know like they're living it I

00:53:05 ◼   ► got a one-bedroom you know a house you

00:53:08 ◼   ► know it's and they were more or less

00:53:09 ◼   ► supporting or was he was still alive and

00:53:11 ◼   ► he was still on the in in the in with

00:53:13 ◼   ► them but it's not in no way was she

00:53:15 ◼   ► being taken care of in the right and if

00:53:17 ◼   ► he if he betrayed them it's not like

00:53:18 ◼   ► they're gonna take care of his family

00:53:19 ◼   ► because he killed himself that was an

00:53:20 ◼   ► impossibility and the sopranos well you

00:53:22 ◼   ► know which I watch so many years ago

00:53:23 ◼   ► that I remember this specific detail but

00:53:25 ◼   ► with so many times someone does anything

00:53:28 ◼   ► against the family everyone you know

00:53:30 ◼   ► your entire extended family you're lucky

00:53:32 ◼   ► a if it all get killed be they're not

00:53:34 ◼   ► getting another dime hey I got a I got a

00:53:37 ◼   ► super dumb guy question and I'm just

00:53:39 ◼   ► probably spacing this why did he have to

00:53:41 ◼   ► die is so he wouldn't testify further or

00:53:44 ◼   ► was a purely an honor thing oh no it's

00:53:46 ◼   ► been biggest because Michael why do you

00:53:48 ◼   ► had yet to wipe out everybody no just my

00:53:49 ◼   ► enemies he had died because Michael

00:53:51 ◼   ► wanted us he don't trade him yeah you

00:53:52 ◼   ► can he considered betraying him just to

00:53:54 ◼   ► be clear that the reason for that just

00:53:56 ◼   ► dicks I think it changes the movie it

00:53:58 ◼   ► wasn't that I mean he was already in

00:54:00 ◼   ► he's he's been convicted yes he would

00:54:02 ◼   ► have just been in jail like that's it he

00:54:03 ◼   ► was he was off the board it was an honor

00:54:05 ◼   ► thing yeah my well it was it that

00:54:07 ◼   ► Michael could not allow to stand that

00:54:08 ◼   ► you even considered betraying me even

00:54:11 ◼   ► though you eventually didn't because I

00:54:12 ◼   ► brought your brother in the unite to die

00:54:14 ◼   ► yeah even even even if it was because he

00:54:17 ◼   ► got fooled and got played like a fool

00:54:19 ◼   ► it's his fault for being played played

00:54:21 ◼   ► like a fool yeah I mean he killed Fredo

00:54:23 ◼   ► for crying about like his system is like

00:54:25 ◼   ► you you know you betray me even if there

00:54:29 ◼   ► is a reason even if you had good

00:54:31 ◼   ► intentions even if you're my dim-witted

00:54:32 ◼   ► brother you gotta go yep and that's

00:54:35 ◼   ► that's the sickness that infects him

00:54:36 ◼   ► that you know it puts him in that

00:54:38 ◼   ► charity in the movie there's a deep dark

00:54:40 ◼   ► vindictive streak to Michael yes that it

00:54:43 ◼   ► that isn't there at all in Vito

00:54:45 ◼   ► well he compensates he V he compensates

00:54:47 ◼   ► for anything where he's also he

00:54:49 ◼   ► compensates for a lot of things with his

00:54:50 ◼   ► coolness his distance

00:54:52 ◼   ► his measured attitude toward things and

00:54:55 ◼   ► and I think fan

00:54:57 ◼   ► at having the world view that Vito had

00:54:58 ◼   ► this is how he reacts to things uh you

00:55:01 ◼   ► just go back like with Vito even with

00:55:03 ◼   ► just the silly little thing with the

00:55:04 ◼   ► landlord and the dog he goes the first

00:55:07 ◼   ► time and he it doesn't say hey you know

00:55:09 ◼   ► who I am he doesn't threaten him he just

00:55:10 ◼   ► says hey I'm a guy I'm a friend of this

00:55:11 ◼   ► lady I want to give you more money so

00:55:13 ◼   ► you get more money you'll get something

00:55:15 ◼   ► and all you do is leave her there and

00:55:17 ◼   ► she gets to keep her dog but when the

00:55:19 ◼   ► guy comes back and he meets him in the

00:55:20 ◼   ► office and he's groveling there's not a

00:55:22 ◼   ► single bit of Vito's reaction to now he

00:55:24 ◼   ► accepts it he's not like he's not trying

00:55:26 ◼   ► to make the guy feel felt comfortable

00:55:28 ◼   ► per se but he's not vindictive he's not

00:55:30 ◼   ► like there's nothing intimate and he's

00:55:32 ◼   ► more amused like he's laughing with his

00:55:34 ◼   ► friend like but not laughing at the guy

00:55:35 ◼   ► just laughing like that it's a funny

00:55:37 ◼   ► situation the same reason we're laughing

00:55:38 ◼   ► at he's not like haha finally I I have

00:55:41 ◼   ► achieved triumph over the evil landlord

00:55:43 ◼   ► and not but like they could think about

00:55:45 ◼   ► uhm think about Michael in Italy when he

00:55:48 ◼   ► has the meeting as like the parlay with

00:55:50 ◼   ► up lo Nia's father and you could see

00:55:53 ◼   ► that he's kind of just jumping through

00:55:56 ◼   ► you know formal hoops but the very you

00:55:59 ◼   ► know gracious kind of you know the way

00:56:02 ◼   ► that he says like you know the big ways

00:56:04 ◼   ► introducing the idea that basically he

00:56:05 ◼   ► wants to marry Apollonia he does it you

00:56:07 ◼   ► can see him and he's you know he's kind

00:56:09 ◼   ► of by rote walking through what will be

00:56:12 ◼   ► the the civil way to do this but at

00:56:14 ◼   ► least he was still doing that at that

00:56:15 ◼   ► point he understood that there were

00:56:16 ◼   ► hoops to jump through to make this look

00:56:17 ◼   ► good

00:56:18 ◼   ► well that is that gets us to the end

00:56:20 ◼   ► which we already kind of talked about

00:56:21 ◼   ► which is we get the flashback that's so

00:56:23 ◼   ► really the the end of the Robert De Niro

00:56:26 ◼   ► story is this story that takes us right

00:56:27 ◼   ► up to the beginning of the first

00:56:30 ◼   ► Godfather movie it's you know it's Oh

00:56:32 ◼   ► before that before Michael even goes off

00:56:34 ◼   ► to war - you know - like I said I I love

00:56:37 ◼   ► despite that you know you forget who it

00:56:39 ◼   ► was was saying that this this scene

00:56:40 ◼   ► seems clunky and the people ended

00:56:43 ◼   ► reprising I was Mary prising their roles

00:56:46 ◼   ► from the first movie in a clunky way and

00:56:47 ◼   ► look at all these people and and and Don

00:56:50 ◼   ► Corleone is not there because they

00:56:51 ◼   ► couldn't get Marlon Brando and stuff

00:56:53 ◼   ► like that but like it works so much for

00:56:55 ◼   ► me because they you're on such a down

00:56:56 ◼   ► after seeing Fredo get shot and all

00:56:58 ◼   ► those people get murdered and Michael in

00:56:59 ◼   ► the chair by himself contrast to his

00:57:01 ◼   ► father's end which was so different and

00:57:03 ◼   ► then they bring it back one more time

00:57:05 ◼   ► and like I said you know they're

00:57:07 ◼   ► revealing that this was Michael all

00:57:08 ◼   ► along but also like the

00:57:11 ◼   ► the bitter sweetness of seeing like

00:57:13 ◼   ► despite the dysfunction despite sunny

00:57:15 ◼   ► trying to set up his sister like

00:57:17 ◼   ► basically with this arranged marriage

00:57:18 ◼   ► but this guy who ends up being the jerk

00:57:20 ◼   ► anyway it's kind of like Sunny's your

00:57:21 ◼   ► own stupid fault you hate her husband

00:57:22 ◼   ► you introduced her to her husband you

00:57:24 ◼   ► know everybody's flaws are on full

00:57:26 ◼   ► display but they are through the magic

00:57:28 ◼   ► of makeup and technology this is how

00:57:30 ◼   ► they were young and vibrant and look at

00:57:31 ◼   ► Michael's collar and look at his

00:57:33 ◼   ► idealism but look at he was he was that

00:57:35 ◼   ► same person you will see later under the

00:57:37 ◼   ► covers you know like it totally works

00:57:40 ◼   ► right I would like a chance to respond

00:57:42 ◼   ► this response I don't think it's I don't

00:57:43 ◼   ► think it's conceptually a bad idea this

00:57:45 ◼   ► scene I think it's not well implemented

00:57:47 ◼   ► I think it shows that it was hastily

00:57:49 ◼   ► done I think James Caan's like shucky

00:57:52 ◼   ► jivey slap him everybody around that

00:57:53 ◼   ► does not have the same subtlety as the

00:57:56 ◼   ► scenes with like but it was like it was

00:57:58 ◼   ► sunny like for the whole first movie he

00:57:59 ◼   ► doesn't have any subtlety he's a big if

00:58:01 ◼   ► it's a real stat it's a weirdly static

00:58:03 ◼   ► shot and it just feels it feels a little

00:58:05 ◼   ► bit like I don't know it feels like a

00:58:06 ◼   ► reunion episode yeah I mean the staging

00:58:09 ◼   ► the staging could be better it feels

00:58:10 ◼   ► like they didn't have a lot of room in

00:58:11 ◼   ► the set but I do kind of like yeah the

00:58:13 ◼   ► sitcom kind of thing where it's just

00:58:15 ◼   ► everyone sitting at the table I don't

00:58:17 ◼   ► mind that I didn't get to mention that

00:58:18 ◼   ► before but like watching old movies

00:58:20 ◼   ► which I will categorize this one as an

00:58:22 ◼   ► oldish movie it's not remarkable for

00:58:24 ◼   ► this movie because the way things were

00:58:26 ◼   ► shot and framed in those days basically

00:58:28 ◼   ► the style of the times as I say but the

00:58:30 ◼   ► the fact that this is like one camera

00:58:32 ◼   ► showing the whole table the whole time

00:58:33 ◼   ► with a couple of intercuts with

00:58:35 ◼   ► close-ups and stuff but a lot of it is

00:58:37 ◼   ► just pulled back and they just let the

00:58:38 ◼   ► scene play out kind of like you put a

00:58:40 ◼   ► camera in front of a stage a theater

00:58:41 ◼   ► stage and just let it play out

00:58:42 ◼   ► there's that scene with where they're

00:58:43 ◼   ► stealing the rug where the policeman

00:58:45 ◼   ► comes to the door and Clemenza is back

00:58:47 ◼   ► against the wall with the gun pointed to

00:58:50 ◼   ► where the guy's going to come through in

00:58:51 ◼   ► a modern movie the modern sensibility is

00:58:53 ◼   ► never to frame that by pulling back and

00:58:56 ◼   ► getting the entire wall the door in the

00:58:58 ◼   ► middle of the wall and the guy

00:58:59 ◼   ► silhouetted there Clemenza with the gun

00:59:02 ◼   ► pointed sideways at the thing to get

00:59:03 ◼   ► that all in the shot and that be the

00:59:04 ◼   ► entire shot for the entire time it works

00:59:06 ◼   ► so well and today would always be a

00:59:08 ◼   ► close-up from like chest level looking

00:59:10 ◼   ► up under the guy's chin seeing the sweat

00:59:12 ◼   ► on his brow

00:59:12 ◼   ► glistening off the gunner series of like

00:59:15 ◼   ► 9 points in extreme close-ups yeah right

00:59:18 ◼   ► and like the guy outside the door let's

00:59:19 ◼   ► see the view from the outside it's it

00:59:20 ◼   ► from the inside let's see let's see him

00:59:21 ◼   ► sweating by the gun

00:59:23 ◼   ► the tip of the gun let's see the guy

00:59:24 ◼   ► looking over there and this one they're

00:59:25 ◼   ► just like camera back and just let this

00:59:27 ◼   ► thing play out and I think this this has

00:59:29 ◼   ► that essence especially Michael sipping

00:59:30 ◼   ► his drink at the end with this pinky up

00:59:32 ◼   ► all alone at the table with the camera

00:59:33 ◼   ► that has not moved for the entire scene

00:59:35 ◼   ► it's not as artful as the other things

00:59:38 ◼   ► but I mean I disagree it feels well I'm

00:59:41 ◼   ► saying like it's not as like as

00:59:43 ◼   ► willfully like avant-garde artful it is

00:59:45 ◼   ► more like literally like I didn't plan

00:59:47 ◼   ► it that way like that it is it and it

00:59:50 ◼   ► plays out like a theater scene because

00:59:51 ◼   ► what kind of stage again you have you

00:59:52 ◼   ► put the table that you put everyone

00:59:53 ◼   ► front of the table they all bounce off

00:59:55 ◼   ► each other and all the again the clumsy

00:59:57 ◼   ► stage mechanics of Sonny Raphael

00:59:57 ◼   ► stage mechanics of Sonny Raphael

01:00:00 ◼   ► think people but actually not rough

01:00:01 ◼   ► handling them and you just see it all

01:00:02 ◼   ► there there's no editing to hide the

01:00:04 ◼   ► fact that his shaking of his brother is

01:00:06 ◼   ► not really that severe of a shaking and

01:00:08 ◼   ► all that other stuff I'll say that I'll

01:00:09 ◼   ► say that James Caan was was exactly

01:00:11 ◼   ► consistent with how he was with physical

01:00:14 ◼   ► work in the first movie in not selling

01:00:17 ◼   ► it terribly well

01:00:18 ◼   ► yes lobbying his strength which is kind

01:00:20 ◼   ► of bad for a character he's always

01:00:21 ◼   ► supposed to be you know punching people

01:00:23 ◼   ► the thing about this scene I part of

01:00:27 ◼   ► this when we when we first talked about

01:00:29 ◼   ► it seven hours ago the the original plan

01:00:33 ◼   ► was that they were gonna have marlon

01:00:35 ◼   ► brando and i'm curious to know what the

01:00:38 ◼   ► original scripting for this scene was

01:00:40 ◼   ► supposed to be because I you know I I

01:00:43 ◼   ► would say that I fall more on the

01:00:45 ◼   ► siracusa side of things on the scene but

01:00:47 ◼   ► I I completely identify with I think

01:00:50 ◼   ► part of what Merlin was trying to say

01:00:51 ◼   ► which is that it feels rough around the

01:00:54 ◼   ► edges it feels hastily thrown together

01:00:56 ◼   ► it doesn't feel as incredibly precise as

01:01:00 ◼   ► the entire rest of the movie that

01:01:01 ◼   ► precedes it which is which is why I you

01:01:04 ◼   ► know I I feel a little bit like a

01:01:08 ◼   ► cutscene and a lot yeah it it's an ill

01:01:11 ◼   ► fit alongside all of the stuff that

01:01:13 ◼   ► preceded it you know the the the the

01:01:15 ◼   ► whole first movie was Coppola making a

01:01:18 ◼   ► movie that he was being actively

01:01:20 ◼   ► countermanded at every step and he was

01:01:23 ◼   ► getting put into it progressively more

01:01:25 ◼   ► and more of a tiny box and then it was a

01:01:27 ◼   ► massive success and then they let him do

01:01:28 ◼   ► whatever he wanted to for this one and

01:01:30 ◼   ► he had to deal with Cohn going yeah I'm

01:01:32 ◼   ► gonna get paid a ton of money and I'm

01:01:34 ◼   ► gonna show up and say lines leave and

01:01:36 ◼   ► contending with all of the schedules of

01:01:38 ◼   ► the people that they suddenly had to put

01:01:39 ◼   ► together for this movie that was a

01:01:41 ◼   ► follow-up to the surprise mega massive

01:01:44 ◼   ► hit that the first movie was and they

01:01:46 ◼   ► set literally everything up expecting

01:01:49 ◼   ► they're going to do a version of the

01:01:51 ◼   ► scene which I assume that the majority

01:01:52 ◼   ► of the dialogue is the exact same as

01:01:54 ◼   ► what they expected to do the day before

01:01:56 ◼   ► when they were pretty sure that they had

01:01:58 ◼   ► marlon brando but then on the day when i

01:02:02 ◼   ► you know i would presume he was supposed

01:02:04 ◼   ► to be brought into the scene it was

01:02:07 ◼   ► probably going to be staged the exact

01:02:08 ◼   ► same way but there was there was

01:02:11 ◼   ► probably some redial logging that had to

01:02:13 ◼   ► have

01:02:13 ◼   ► and to fill in bits of character stuff

01:02:16 ◼   ► that we're going to come from

01:02:18 ◼   ► Don Corleone coming back into the room

01:02:20 ◼   ► and that just kind of got shoved into

01:02:23 ◼   ► people's mouths and it was it was like

01:02:24 ◼   ► back-loaded expository dialogue and

01:02:26 ◼   ► that's why it feels kind of perfunctory

01:02:29 ◼   ► and kind of alright now we're checking

01:02:30 ◼   ► this off the list and we're checking

01:02:31 ◼   ► this off the list and now we're hanging

01:02:33 ◼   ► this lantern on this and I'm going to

01:02:34 ◼   ► call the twins Luke and Leia as I die

01:02:38 ◼   ► Tom's thing the more he says to Micah

01:02:40 ◼   ► that your father has plans for you like

01:02:41 ◼   ► that's probably was courtly out you know

01:02:43 ◼   ► dot veto was gonna say Michael I have

01:02:45 ◼   ► plans for you now that's what I would

01:02:46 ◼   ► yeah yeah and I think Michael's

01:02:49 ◼   ► performance not seen is better than

01:02:50 ◼   ► almost everybody else's like I do feel

01:02:52 ◼   ► oh yes he's in a way better movie than

01:02:54 ◼   ► everybody else yeah cuz like he's doing

01:02:57 ◼   ► that thing we're like there's so much

01:02:58 ◼   ► about I mean and this has been talked

01:02:59 ◼   ► about I've million things I'm not

01:03:01 ◼   ► mentioning that everybody knows about

01:03:03 ◼   ► the Godfather movies but like you know

01:03:05 ◼   ► if you go and watch this I think I

01:03:06 ◼   ► dropped it into Skype you can put it in

01:03:08 ◼   ► show notes that documentary on the

01:03:10 ◼   ► making of or the basically the

01:03:13 ◼   ► restoration process that brought this

01:03:15 ◼   ► movie back from the dead and how in that

01:03:16 ◼   ► one scene that the John circus and I

01:03:19 ◼   ► like to talk about in the Italian

01:03:20 ◼   ► restaurant in number one you can see

01:03:24 ◼   ► Pacino's like there's so many there's so

01:03:26 ◼   ► many levels to Pacino's performance

01:03:27 ◼   ► because there's the basic stone enos but

01:03:29 ◼   ► there's also like just the tiniest

01:03:30 ◼   ► little like tick like a little bit like

01:03:32 ◼   ► his face just like just like moving just

01:03:34 ◼   ► a little bit and you know that's yeah

01:03:37 ◼   ► God how do you I don't know I I feel

01:03:40 ◼   ► like in that scene he is in a different

01:03:42 ◼   ► movie he's fidgeting in his seat he's

01:03:46 ◼   ► got the crazy collar like you mentioned

01:03:47 ◼   ► I'm not I'm not down on the scene it's

01:03:50 ◼   ► just like after after making the

01:03:53 ◼   ► Godfather - I just wouldn't have ended

01:03:55 ◼   ► it with that I would I would have left

01:03:57 ◼   ► that off III think the scene is

01:03:59 ◼   ► essential I can get on board with it

01:04:01 ◼   ► being executed better but if it just

01:04:03 ◼   ► ended with him in the chair that's not

01:04:04 ◼   ► the ending like I need it to go back to

01:04:06 ◼   ► this I need it to because I think the

01:04:08 ◼   ► audience needs it to go back to that to

01:04:09 ◼   ► give you the final contrast like the tie

01:04:12 ◼   ► back in just Hanks the sense of the past

01:04:13 ◼   ► now ties right and also to show you that

01:04:16 ◼   ► this was Michael all along maybe you

01:04:18 ◼   ► didn't you know that I think it is a

01:04:20 ◼   ► it's kind of like the movie showing it's

01:04:22 ◼   ► work right and and this is one of the

01:04:25 ◼   ► few scenes that I think does have some

01:04:26 ◼   ► pigs Michaelson

01:04:27 ◼   ► Sharyn he's thinking and what is he

01:04:28 ◼   ► thinking about and maybe he's not

01:04:29 ◼   ► thinking about this exact thing but he

01:04:31 ◼   ► would have a memory of this because he

01:04:32 ◼   ► was an adult at this time because things

01:04:33 ◼   ► have stuff on so far apart and maybe

01:04:35 ◼   ► he's twisting the knife to say remember

01:04:38 ◼   ► what it used to be like and it wasn't

01:04:39 ◼   ► all roses right but they were together

01:04:41 ◼   ► they were all eating together they were

01:04:43 ◼   ► fighting over the things they fight with

01:04:45 ◼   ► their all their personality traits were

01:04:46 ◼   ► there

01:04:46 ◼   ► they're the downfalls written on the

01:04:48 ◼   ► forehead of every single person in the

01:04:49 ◼   ► scene to a degree where it's a little

01:04:51 ◼   ► bit on the nose like Oh file your files

01:04:52 ◼   ► got plans with you and I'm gonna arrange

01:04:54 ◼   ► you with this thing and Sonny is a

01:04:55 ◼   ► blowhard and like you know it's but I I

01:04:58 ◼   ► need this to be there when they do that

01:05:00 ◼   ► fade every time I'm like oh yeah it

01:05:02 ◼   ► doesn't end in the chair and I'm I'm

01:05:04 ◼   ► happy for it because I feel like it it

01:05:07 ◼   ► seals this movie in a package that is

01:05:09 ◼   ► it's not an entire downward slope it's a

01:05:11 ◼   ► downward slope that wraps back around on

01:05:13 ◼   ► itself and that somehow makes me feel

01:05:15 ◼   ► better than just leaving him in that

01:05:16 ◼   ► chair with the leaves blown by I I agree

01:05:18 ◼   ► with you on that and from you know I

01:05:19 ◼   ► think I'm allowed to you know make some

01:05:21 ◼   ► Star Wars references and I'm not doing

01:05:23 ◼   ► it because to do is move a fourth

01:05:24 ◼   ► because it's not a holiday to me it's

01:05:26 ◼   ► just a day but because you know we

01:05:28 ◼   ► talked about sequels and prequels and

01:05:30 ◼   ► and the way that this really earns all

01:05:33 ◼   ► of the prequel least stuff is is that it

01:05:36 ◼   ► is you know this the this guy was going

01:05:39 ◼   ► to be Darth Corleone all along and if

01:05:42 ◼   ► it's the movie itself was not made in a

01:05:45 ◼   ► time when you could jump onto iTunes or

01:05:47 ◼   ► go down to your local record shop and

01:05:49 ◼   ► get a used copy of the blu-ray and go

01:05:51 ◼   ► back and immediately watch the first one

01:05:53 ◼   ► but it does have that effect you know

01:05:55 ◼   ► the the reason that this movie was so

01:05:57 ◼   ► beloved and so besotted with Oscar

01:05:59 ◼   ► nominations and everything and has

01:06:01 ◼   ► become so legendary is one of the if not

01:06:03 ◼   ► the greatest sequel of all time is that

01:06:06 ◼   ► it really adds another layer to the

01:06:08 ◼   ► movie that preceded it it adds

01:06:09 ◼   ► additional text and subtext to all of

01:06:13 ◼   ► that stuff and the the reason that you

01:06:15 ◼   ► can put on the Godfather just watch it

01:06:17 ◼   ► and you know put on Godfather to just

01:06:19 ◼   ► watch it is that is that it is such a

01:06:23 ◼   ► thoroughly detailed tapestry all around

01:06:26 ◼   ► and you know the this scene shaggy

01:06:28 ◼   ► though it may be I you know I I also

01:06:31 ◼   ► would not leave it off for me it is this

01:06:33 ◼   ► it is an essential part of earning all

01:06:35 ◼   ► of that stuff that the second movies dug

01:06:37 ◼   ► in that last moment of when you see

01:06:38 ◼   ► James Caan right it is the connection

01:06:40 ◼   ► that takes you back to how you felt in

01:06:43 ◼   ► the first movie like it's the world as

01:06:46 ◼   ► we saw it so it is the connection right

01:06:48 ◼   ► we've been watching what happened before

01:06:50 ◼   ► that movie and what happened after that

01:06:51 ◼   ► movie and this is sort of the moment

01:06:53 ◼   ► it's a special scene shot for this film

01:06:55 ◼   ► but it is the moment where you're

01:06:57 ◼   ► touching the that first movie we've come

01:07:00 ◼   ► into contact with it from both sides

01:07:02 ◼   ► it's not you know it's not going to have

01:07:04 ◼   ► Robert De Niro in it right it's going to

01:07:06 ◼   ► have Marlon Brando if you were there and

01:07:07 ◼   ► so he's implied off screen minute but

01:07:10 ◼   ► and you see James Caan you have that

01:07:11 ◼   ► moment like oh my god this is I've made

01:07:13 ◼   ► that connection to the depth at other

01:07:15 ◼   ► movie so it's very important to have it

01:07:17 ◼   ► there even though I agree it's kind of a

01:07:19 ◼   ► weird I feel like almost dreamlike scene

01:07:21 ◼   ► where it's like what am I seeing here

01:07:23 ◼   ► what am i watching the wrong movie now

01:07:26 ◼   ► John though as a point of order the way

01:07:28 ◼   ► that the movie ends is we see Michael in

01:07:31 ◼   ► The Boathouse and then we do a slow

01:07:33 ◼   ► dissolved this scene and then we do a

01:07:35 ◼   ► slow dissolve to Michael sitting in the

01:07:36 ◼   ► chair with the leaves in the background