Roderick on the Line

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00:00:05 ◼   ► hello no John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► good I'm sorry that I'm late you're [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► pretty close pretty close but he's still [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► late our listeners don't actually know [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► when we started recording unless we tell [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► them oh I see I see what you're saying [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► but that's I appreciate the courtesy [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► well I mean I know that you still it [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► affects the show when I'm late or what [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► time it is [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► sure well I think it does affect the [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► show on the long on the long haul [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► if you feel like I can't reliably be in [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► the chair hooked up with all the [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► life-support systems [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► plugged in yeah at the time that you [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► have said through multiple based on your [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► request this is the briar patch of your [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► own design you know a little bit of the [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► little lateness is just it's bad form [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► it's bad form yeah and I want to be you [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► know I want to be johnny-on-the-spot [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► it's named after me oh no that's so much [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► pressure it really is right I have [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► relatively few things like that yeah [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► like Merlin go to market or whatever you [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► Merlin go to market strategy yeah that's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► what they say down in now sv as we call [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► it down an old sv oh that's V we call it [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► I learned an excellent new word today [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► that I think might be useful to you yeah [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► there's a podcast I listen to it doesn't [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► matter it's called no such thing as a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► fish and it's um these four researchers [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► for a British quiz show called Qi and [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► every week they come in and they take [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► four topics and each one of them offers [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► an interesting fact they discovered in [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► the last week about that topic [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► they look really good Twitter and I know [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► you like word Twitter and so on their [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► word Twitter today actually just a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► little big bit ago word of the day [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► Nick Semoran Nick ephemeral you tell [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► it's Greek because it's got a why mm-hmm [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► I think I'm pronouncing that correctly [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► Nick Thames Ron a period of 24 hours [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► used to avoid confusion between day [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► meaning daylight and day meaning 24 [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► hours huh it's not pretty good so how so [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► how would you deploy Nick them or not [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► well I mean first of all you're gonna [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► sound like kind of a douche if you say [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► it cuz you're gonna sound like a guy who [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► follows word Twitter but but I think [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► that's you know it's fine this is one of [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► those things you know eight words for [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► snow type situation where we've got [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► these words that are very easy to [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► confuse oneself with or trip over yeah [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► another example I don't want to derail [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► the derail but another one is this week [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► versus next week I think people use next [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► weekend this week very differently i [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► it's so funny that you say that because [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► I am always tripping up this week next [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► week is there a standard for that I it's [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► it's crazy right I mean I have said in [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► the past to you something that I think I [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► probably picked up from John siracusa [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► which is oh why is the USB thing so hard [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► to tell what the top of it is and you [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► always go noise you always don't respond [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► because it's probably a trope in your in [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► your world well I do I do know that I [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► get it wrong over 50% of the time which [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► seems improbable yeah and it seems like [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that it's be real easy to put like an X [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► on it or something I saw a fox video [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► that says you should make your marker [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► and mark the top side with red on the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► dingus and then draw on your computer [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► but it does seem funny that doesn't come [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► that way from the factory but I am [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► constantly saying well alright let's get [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► together next week next week on Monday [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► let me give you another one because I [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► think part of there's several problems [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► here one of the problems is [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► what people consider this and next some [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► people I think next Tuesday means the [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► next Tuesday that comes up and I think [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► other people think that means the next [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► Tuesday of a week starting on a given [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► day so that's problem right one problem [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► number two is I still don't think [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► there's a cent on whether a week starts [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► on Sunday or Monday or otherwise right [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► so I write it's doubly confusing so if [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► we're talking on Saturday [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► well let's say you know just for fun [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► let's say we're talking on Saturday and [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► I say next Tuesday does that mean in [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► three days yeah I think so [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► but if you're talking about if you're on [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► Monday and you say let's get together [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► next Tuesday mm-hmm [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► I think you mean the Tuesday in the [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► following week because you would say [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► this Tuesday about the one coming up [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► right but I but as you say right this [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► seems like something the language should [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► have decided upon something we should [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► have resolved maybe 500 years ago [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► because it comes up all the time there [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► just isn't a nick theory on about this [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► where we can say like this is not thus [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► it is not this Thursday but thus [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► Thursday some further thus Thursday I [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► kind of like it's this Thursday yeah UE [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► and the way we make up for this is [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► people like me add levels of precision [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► that make some people roll their eyes [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► mmm well I mean it depends on who I'm [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► talking to you and that isn't that the [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► point like when you're talking to [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► somebody I mean it can be pretty crazy [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► making to do business regularly with [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► somebody who's in say the UK or Italy or [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► something like that right well [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► especially the UK given their culture so [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► hard to do business with those people [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► kochak the UM the the thing with that is [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► though I mean you I think you develop [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► you develop a shorthand with each other [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► of learning how to sort of you know how [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► what level of precision is needed right [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► I think the safest thing to assume and [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► this is what I do as you as you may know [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► what I do it's easy enough for us [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► because we're in the same time zone [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► usually but usually what I will do is [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► when I propose something I include what [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► I consider to be three important pieces [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► of information when referring to a date [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► which is a day of the week the date and [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the time in that person's time zone and [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► then with my time zone in parentheses [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► after it I'm trying to really bring the [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► fight to them you really do a fantastic [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► job and then even I mean we have had [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► multiple conversations where I have said [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► great let's talk tomorrow morning at [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► 8:00 and then I immediately get a [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► calendar invitation for tomorrow which I [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► as I assume you hate which is the which [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► is amazing and also what it's confusing [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► for me because I sometimes go in and [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► make a calendar notification I'm so glad [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► to hear that I did not know that and [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► then yours arrives and then I have to [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► because if I if I do not accept your [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► calendar invitation I get a tersely [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► worded tersely worded memo very quickly [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► oh no that's not for me I don't say that [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► no you say I just sent you a thing and [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► you declined it I do another thing which [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► is that now we're derailing the derail [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► to the derail but it's also confusing [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► because calendar apps suck and then you [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► get these like mystery meat like [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► reschedules or deletes and you're like [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► I'm not sure what to do about that but [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► you know I think it pays here's the [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► problem is that I am wracked with [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► anxiety and if I don't have a sense of [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► what's on my calendar for the next week [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► and let's be honest I don't do much [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► right but like knowing what's on the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► calendar is all that keeps me from being [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► up all night so I think those are great [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► rock and roll lyrics - what's that [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► knowing what's on the calendar keeps me [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► from being awake at night that's pretty [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► good I mean you can do that if you want [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► it's a new it's a new kind of rock and [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► roll I don't think that would have been [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► a very good rolling scholars new rock [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► yeah it's me it's a new rock it's [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► opposed post post Rock doing business is [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► hard first of all let's put that out [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► especially the England with England it's [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► bad what in Italy sometimes you have to [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► stipulate what you know like what [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► the power there is in 220 right and [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► they're like whatever you need 222 it's [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► casual ma but but yeah I I shared my [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► calendar at one point with members of my [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► family because it was can everyone was [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► trying to make arrangements plans with [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► me they odd things for me to do they [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► kept being confused like win me you're [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► out of town like well how come you [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► didn't tell us what you were gonna you [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► were out of town I'm your I'm your [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► mother for instance and I would say oh [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► sorry [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► which is my you know go to the answer [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► that's if you're gonna apologize that's [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► a good answer [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► so I started sharing my calendar like [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► you know what my life's an open book go [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► ahead everybody here's my calendar if [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► you want to add things to it if you want [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► to look at where I'm gonna be today fine [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► fine I gotta hide not you but then you [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► can't put things in your calendar you [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► don't want everybody to see mm-hmm you [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► can't be like oh I'm going to the [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► bathhouse with a bunch of guys from the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► Third Army tomorrow and you know and [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► we're gonna like go over our invasion [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► plans you really need clean no II get [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► and so now I'm now things show up in my [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► calendar I don't know where they come [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► from [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► did my mom put that there did my [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► daughter's mother put that there did [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► somebody I used to date put that there [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► that I forgot to dis include from the [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► calendar now hmm it's like you know [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► Tuesday July 29th drive car off cliff [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► into ocean rain right it's like what [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► that there yeah so yeah so my calendar [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► has become very confusing oh also a long [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► time ago maybe you can help me with this [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► oh I want to get back first of all or [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► maybe later I'm not sure whether first [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► of all or later [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► oh no does your week start on Monday or [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► Sunday I'm still working it out I'm just [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► I think it starts on Monday I feel like [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► that this is one where I have to yield [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► to my perception of others where I think [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► most people think of mine [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► when the Week starts I think so mm-hmm [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► sunday is the last day of the week I [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► think mm-hmm [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► so hard it would hard it'd be hard to [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► deal with I don't know exactly why it [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► would be hard but I think it would be [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► nice to feel like I feel like maybe this [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► is my Christianity showing that I think [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► I was raised I mean I guess it's in the [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► book but also just culturally was raised [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► to think of Sunday as the first day of [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► the week huh I don't know I have to go [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► check my Genesis on that but like I feel [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► like that was sort of the community [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► standard in Cincinnati Ohio in my [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► community in white oak anyway for like [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► when the Week starts interesting you [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► know I would think if you were an [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► Orthodox Jewish person that that would [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► make sense right because the Sabbath [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► starts on Friday at sundown and ends at [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► Saturday at so now what the hell why [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► would Sunday be the end of the week [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► right wouldn't Sunday be the first day [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► right but but that's the scene that's [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► Jude that's your Sunday to Sunday is [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► Saturday right right right [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► Friday to Saturday it's a little bit of [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► a different it's like it's a it's a [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► Koblenz or whatever they it's a nick [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► they're on a theme Ron you get 15% off [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► your week it's a big number on you can't [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► you can't touch your microwave oven at [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► last 24 hours you wash your hands before [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► and after you pee yes it's not the day [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► though because it's like it's the night [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► before I help you can I just wrap up two [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► things on Nick them eran quick okay cuz [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► I am reading for my further scholarship [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► on this which now is almost 14 minutes [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► of scholarship on this yeah I think it [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► is an English language problem I'll tell [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► you why according to the internet [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► science site it is the period of time [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► that a calendar normally labels with a [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► date although and this is the business I [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► think this is where this might be useful [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► for you although anacs themer on simply [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► designates a time span that can start at [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► any time [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► not just midnight it's a moveable feast [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► part one yeah if you go to bed at 2:00 [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► a.m. every night happy earth Imran [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► you're dealing with the nick them Iran [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► not a day so section one in other [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► languages some languages have a word for [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► 24 hours more more loosely a day plus a [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► in no particular order unlike a calendar [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► date only the length is defined hmm with [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► no particular start or end furthermore [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► these words are considered basic and [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► native to the languages below so unlike [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► Nick Theron they are not associated with [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► jargon you can sound like Nick thumb [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► Iran in scheisse let's see if the [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► Germans have won wow this is lots of you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► got Danish Swedish Iceland frisson North [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► and West Frisian whatever that is [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► Kanda who viens yeah good dog poor day [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► they've got dog dog da Jie is a lot of [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► them dog and dog or Latvian Lithuanian [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► Russian Hebrew Hebrew Bulgarian Bengali [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► Sanskrit Tamil polish Ukrainian so so [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► many of those languages are Baltic Sea [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► languages and I'm gonna I'm gonna make [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► an exception for for Bulgarian it [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► migrated down there some death metal [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► countries have it too they all have dog [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► well that's what I mean the Baltic okay [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► not Balkan oh sorry Baltic Sea the north [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► north part so that makes me feel [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► like--that's yeah right some kind of [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► some kind of death metal thing it's why [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► these not many of these buek rain can be [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► warm right most of these are cold [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► countries now you create well I mean [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► Ukraine but like the crane and Bulgaria [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► both Slavic countries so the Slavs could [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► easily that could just go down the river [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► type of thing you know what I mean he he [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► was a pretty warm country he brews a [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► warm country that's that's confusing but [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► they all they often go their own way and [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► then what was the other one Bhutan there [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► was one in the bengali bengali one of [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► these kids is not like the other Bengali [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► it's interesting that but that's got to [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► be just something within their culture [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► that they have a nick thinner on Nick's [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► Imran yeah well I just want to give you [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► something to think about this could be I [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► think this is a kind of thought and time [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► technology the idea of the Nick them Ron [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► could be very useful to me [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► well so this gets back to the other [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► question that I had for you and that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► seems like seems like it falls into the [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► category of there's an app for that [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► okay solution making mmm I'm your boy [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► that's in mind that's in my portfolio [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► yeah but here's here's here's the deal [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► so I I am a time geographer hmm [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► right as we talk about historian but [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► historian is sort of two too broad and [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► and and and as be sort of like me is [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► meaningless are culturally co-opted by [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► everybody that for every by every guy [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► that reads Civil War magazine which [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► incidentally is an interesting magazine [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► someone it's called States it's it's a [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► Guns N'Roses fanzine okay knows Marvel [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► could be anything no it's uh it's a [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► magazine just like by and for old men [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► who want to sit and refight the battles [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► of the Civil War you know it also it's [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► kind of like a a best in helmand stuff [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► situation you know what it's called in [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the South Between the States magazine [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► the city is at the river let's work this [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► out it's the War of Northern Aggression [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► but so as a time geographer right I'm [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► always thinking about things in in terms [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► of a time geography how did this you [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► know what was happening simultaneous to [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► this moment why how did this fit into a [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► timeline of like a social timeline in [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► this area and then in this wider area [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► and in the wider area right like what's [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► happening what's happening in this [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► period that is affecting it that we're [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► not examining because we're focused on [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► the history of this time so you can't [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► you can't have a history of Germany [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► without having the time geography you [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► gotta see which Germany and how Germany [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► which Germany how Germany but what that [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► fukk you know what's happening in [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► Germany is not independent of what's [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► what France is doing at any moment in [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► its [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► three and what's what France is doing is [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► is do you know is is it's responding to [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► what is happening socially in Paris at [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► that time and what's happening socially [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► in Paris at that time is is reaction [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► reacting to what's happening in London [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► at that time and so to not be able to to [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► bring to bear kind of geographical [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► knowledge of time but both like side to [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► side like that but also also the depth [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► of it right like what happened in 1740 [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► is determined by what happened in 1710 [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and determines what happened in 1780 and [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► so you know and so I'm always trying to [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► construct things in my mental [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► imagination but within four dimensions [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► yes the fourth dimension is geography [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► the fourth dimension time geography I [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► think the fourth dimension is bust size [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► the fifth bus the fourth dimension is [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► bus size the fifth dimension is love the [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► fifth dimension is hot-air balloon [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► that's right away air Marilyn McCoo and [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► Billy Davis jr. were in that ban what [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► Marilyn McCoo you know when they hosted [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► solid-gold she was on solid gold they [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► got their start Marilyn McCoo and Billy [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► Davis jr. if memory serves got their [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► start in the fifth dimension they were [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► in the fifth I need to look that up [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► because now I feel bad that's wrong when [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► I was a kid I studied the the LP cover [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► of up up and away [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► studied it over and over because they [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► were writing in the bath dick the hot [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► air balloon song I loved that when I was [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► a kid well and all those harmonies uh-uh [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► is this Jimmy Webb songs oh my god but [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► so my question for you the reason my [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► calendar is fucked up oh yeah sorry is [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that at a certain point I started using [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► my calendar as a tool of time geography [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► esting there's also a you know there's [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► also a personal time geography and so [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► important dates that I needed to that I [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► needed to cattle [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► and remember in relation to other dates [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► I would go into the to the calendar and [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► go back in time scroll Scroll scroll [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► Scroll scroll Scroll and make calendar [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► entries in this Apple calendar back [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► belong before I started using it or [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► before the you know like back in time [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► and I filled it up and I didn't very [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► effectively use the little I tried to [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► use the little colors like everything in [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► yellow is something that happened to the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► Marx Brothers okay you know like [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► everything in green is what you know is [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► what is on a timeline relating different [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► guitar companies to one another and now [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► I have like 50 calendars 48 of them are [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► all things that are time geography [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► calendars that I never I never look at [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► or I don't smoke them and I can't really [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► easily access all that data that I [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► mistakenly put into this back when I [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► couldn't think of a better option mm-hmm [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► and so I have all this stuff back there [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► I don't know how to get it out and if I [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► did get it out I wouldn't know where to [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► put it [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► mm-hmm where it's a special tool that's [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► not I'm not trying to make any meetings [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► in it for next week I'm trying to look [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► at the spread of history in a calendar [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► hmm [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► but that's like a like you can't you [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► need you're right you need a different [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► app you need a time geography app yeah [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► that can combine the historical the [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► public the private let's be honest the [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► notional you're gonna merlion on there [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► somewhere you're going to know about the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► you know the making of the ants and [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► whatnot right make it dance right see [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► all that stuff on a continuum and then [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► like a really kind of a Minority Report [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► like you wave your hands around you say [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► okay you know move aside the Gandalf's [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► and let me just see the Germans let's [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► get the Gandalf sad I want to see the [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► Germans you've seen that that famous [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► graphic because it comes to me [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► in the mail every year yeah the one [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► about Napoleon's invasion of Russia [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► probably the world's if not the first [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► probably not the first but probably the [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► most famous infographic in our age made [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► famous by the Tufte books brilliant it's [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► a brilliant way to illustrate several [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► complex axes of information yeah an [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► infographic right and and that's an [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► example of a the visualization of time [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► distance sighs right altogether and what [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► I want is the ability to do that also [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► sort of three dimensionally within both [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► physical space and also notional space [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► there's a lot to this because I have to [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► tell you it wasn't until you described [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► it this way that I realized I want this [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► and so very much more because what I [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► what I was yeah what I would like is [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► certainly the ability to see things like [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► where was i living [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► when this album came out yes okay [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► exactly okay if it's been this many [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► years since ghostin machine came out [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► what album came out that many years [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► earlier than ghost in the machine [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► without me having to go look it up I [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► want to be able to spin my finger like [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► it's a dial phone and have it just pop [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► right up but you know what else I want I [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► want to go way deeper I want to know I [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► just changed the batteries and a whole [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► bunch of things in my house and I want [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► to be able to see how long my batteries [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► last without it getting in the way of my [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► roderick on the line recording I need [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► depth I don't even know how John I don't [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► know how many dimensions I'm gonna need [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► but I want to be able to look at ants [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► and triple-a batteries and see it all on [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the same continuum as Ukraine yes right [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► and we've talked before about how in our [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► mind in our minds by which I may be [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► referring to my mind a group mind the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► the geography of a year takes on a [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► certain shape right it turns right into [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► it percent and then it zips along and [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► then a double double double double and [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► then it goes a little veer and you know [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► and it all ends up looping but it's also [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► not a loop it's a spiral right because [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► don't end where you started you end at [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► the beginning of the next year otherwise [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► you'd be repeating the same year any kid [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► will tell you that exactly and what do [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► you do is it spiraling up isn't [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► spiraling down is it a spirochete is it [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► a spin as a spirogyra and so it's also [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► spire it's not just spiraling it's not [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► spiraling down it's spiraling forward [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► and so how do you incorporate that like [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► how do you also know what happened every [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► July 3rd imagine if you could take the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► shape of the year which I think some of [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► our listeners have been kind enough to [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► draw they've done a wonderful great [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► effect [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► I don't just go listen to all the shows [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► before but we talked about this that a [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► year has a shape to it and John [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► described it and I think I mostly agree [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► but imagine if you had the actual shape [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► of your actual year and it could pull up [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► all of your data from all your devices [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► from from from your dingus to your phone [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► it pulls up all of that information and [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► now guess what you get an overlay you [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► can see an overlay of like the raw data [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► curve over your curve but you could [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► right so see it like if okay so tell me [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► where I run into problems right tell me [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► where I run out of gas yes tell me tell [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► me why it is I keep thinking of uh you [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► know I believe in miracles you sexy [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► thing what does that keep coming up but [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► also the Ukraine and ends you need a way [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► to have all of that and the police let's [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► be honest but you need a way to have all [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► that but you don't want it to be so busy [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that you can't do a Tom Cruise gesture [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► with your hands like this like you're [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► like you're like you're a gynecologist [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► you part them like curtains [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► just show me Roderick on the line 9:00 [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► a.m. Monday I was reading a thing the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► other day that said oh the television [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► debut of the film mash happened on [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► September 13 1974 and I said that's my [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► sixth birthday get out on my sixth [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► birthday that film mash debuted on [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► television now that is absolutely [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► useless to me because at six years old I [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► was not conscious of the of mash [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► debuting on TV but what the fuck was I [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► doing on my sixth birthday now I have to [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► go dig through my files I want to put [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► that in context I want to say wait a man [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► what was happening what was happening in [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► Watergate [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► September 13th nineteen it may be 90 [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► degrees you go way deep you could say [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► okay give me more in September 13th [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► oh yeah 1985 Super Mario Brothers [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► released in Japan for the NES obviously [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► I wouldn't know about that [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► interesting Mao Zedong's 1971 matzo dunk [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► second in command and successor lianbao [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► flees the People's Republic of China yes [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► you want that but zip zap zip zap you do [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► a little zip yeah right and now we're [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► now we're just looking at 1974 but then [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► also give me what happened give me the [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► time geography of that date in 1974 what [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► happened before that right right what's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► leading up you know what happened give [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► me the I want to read the reviews the [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► following morning in the newspaper of [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► the television edit of the debut of mash [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► because they must have taken a lot of [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► stuff out but Hot Lips hot lips in the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► shower phoned and well they had to take [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► that out band to take all day I wonder [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► how much of the racism they took out who [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► knows a lot of racism and just kind of [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► casual sexual assault yeah so much [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► sexual still is up there on all that you [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► know usually on a Wikipedia page I I'll [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► read the head headers and then I like to [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► scroll down to the bottom and find the [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► controversy section where you know it [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► turns out because because you don't want [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► to read a thing you don't want to get [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► like 15 pages into a Wikipedia thing and [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► then at the end there's like and all of [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► his theories were discredited when it [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► turned out that it was all a scheme you [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► know was all a Ponzi scheme to like to [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► to you know sell children into slavery [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► or whatever you're like ah come on put [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► that at the top so and I like to go down [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► see how many divorces people have had [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► you know it's important it it's it's all [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► context and I go down in the in the mash [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► the mash movie thing and it's just [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► laudatory the whole way down there's no [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► there's no thing at the bottom like [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► critical reappraisal of the movie mash [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► and I didn't want to go to a third [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► source so never go with a hippie to a [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► third source that's right so I decided [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► that I just would take the popular [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► opinion and just say oh that's one of [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► the 200 great American [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► Film Institute films of the film but but [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► my birthday every year is an important [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► it's an important flag planted in the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► sand because you're one year older than [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► Tyler Perry exactly well and I think [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► Will Smith was born the same right [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► around the same time as me I think we [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► are almost exactly it's not the same day [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► where you go for that [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► right well sure what was he doing he was [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► in he was in South Philadelphia born and [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► raised to sportsmen were born on your [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► birthday I saw someone called Brad Brad [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► Johnson there's an American football [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► player great ball ball thrower or cat [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► room and someone called Bernie Williams [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► who is a Puerto Rican American baseball [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► player and guitarist Bernie Williams I [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► think I know Bernie Williams okay not [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► personally but hmm but so you know when [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► your birthday is and the problem with my [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► birthday being in September I guess [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► other people's birthdays are like this [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► too but September you know there's a [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► hard right turn in September in the year [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► in geography yeah yeah so you're kind of [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► standing there at a street corner right [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► you're like my birthday my whole life [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► has been a sort of Waiting for Godot [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► park bench hmm you're watching the year [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► turn school starts it's autumn it's a [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► nice time but but also it's the 13th so [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► school has already started you know it's [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► sort of like in that place of like [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► that's not it's not close enough to [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► Halloween to feel like it's Halloween II [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► it's not summer anymore even though it's [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► sometimes warm so anyway there's this [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► flag planted there in September that I [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► can say like but I always this is [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► another problem I always have to count [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► it's always like Oh was I [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► five or six like what year is it again [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► train of thought the whole reason that [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► you're really there it's gonna get lost [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► because now you're having to do a bunch [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► of maths was I mrs. Crist's class was is [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► Lankford's class still apart [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► it's Wincy this one miss we'll see about [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► mrs. Philip art that was a good one it [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► sounds like it sounds more like a [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► command [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► mmm she looked like a piper cephalic [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► penguin hmm I'm with you go see what [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► this is what there's got to be an app [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► for this or a series of do you know what [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► there's got to be a platform for this [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► why has no one made this it does feel [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► like a Minority Report style a like big [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► wall of stuff that you do it ballet [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► dance in front of it yes your data flows [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► around you mm-hmm I don't want that but [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► I do want this I'm sure a birthday not [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► birthdate [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► I share a birthday with I thought it was [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► McLean Stevenson but now I don't see him [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► rich little the Impressionists oh he was [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► amazing he's a great Tina Turner um [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► Bruce Paltrow pretty cool that's what [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► I'm about roast and that's right that's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► right you know I thought there was more [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► interesting people Oh an American porn [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► actress called honey Wilder honey why [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► are you Wilders her birth name let's [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► find out here's now I'm going to look at [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► this and I'm gonna get lost [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► yeah down the porn star real name hole [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► that should be yeah that should be in [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► the app did you ever have well okay so I [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► do here's what I want to put in the app [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► where we were living at the time yes [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► I've done this in Excel I have done this [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► in Excel yes right but but it it's [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► skewed like my mom was dating Bobby [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► between somewhere in 74 - somewhere in [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► 77 I guess now I remember very [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► distinctly when she was dating Bobby but [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► not on a calendar because that was pre [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► when I was conscious of calendars I just [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► remember it amorphous ly yes but I want [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► to put all of the significant dates of [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► my mom dating Bobby in the early to mid [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► 70s [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► you're probably remembering you're [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► probably remembering it by association [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► if you're able to remember this because [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► of that and that is something you very [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► much remember like you know the the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► Watergate hearings or something so you [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► know that's yeah I did but you want [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► somebody to do that for you not somebody [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► you want some water tools you want a [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► tool yeah one time I was running down [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► the dock to run down to Bobby's boat [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► mm-hmm [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and at some point I was crossing between [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► a dock and a boat and my wallet which [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► was a wallet with a horse on it hmm a [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► you know a leather worked wallet with a [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► with embossed horse yeah or yeah worked [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► horse cuz this was before things were in [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► boss somebody did this with a little [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► leather stamping - Wow yeah the wallet [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► had a zipper it was a zipper wallet with [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► a horse on it and it had I can only [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► imagine some very very important things [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► that a seven-year-old would carry in his [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► wallet the wallet slipped out of my [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► pants pocket and plopped into the water [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► Oh No and I stood and watched as my [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► horse wallet because the horse was also [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► painted white the head of the horse was [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► painted white watched as it slowly sank [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► into the deep and it was very hard to [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► console me in moments like that you [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► loved the objects in your life they have [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► they have valence yes right and I'm you [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► know I'm not a baller I don't I don't [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► outwardly about my weight the W yeah [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► right I am a baller without a W in [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► Boston yeah but uh you're trying not I [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► don't sit and and and rend my hair I [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► don't you late mm-hmm I just sit there [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► and you know and I plummet I slowly sink [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► into the ocean with the wallet right and [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► I'm a little little party you went down [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► with that white horse I have remembered [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► that wallet on that white horse my whole [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► life and in fact in the 90s I wrote a [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► song about it from my band at the time [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► the bun family players cousin teaspoon [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► no that came later teaspoon is about a [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► teaspoon but also about a girl does [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► about other throws I mean something [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► different every time so I want to know [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► when you know in the real world when on [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► a calendar timeline did that happen when [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► were we out on that on that dock it had [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► my mom should be able to give me [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► information that would [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► allow me to at least put that had to [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► have been summertime you're not going to [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► go out on a boat you're not gonna lose [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► your horse Walt in the winter so one of [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the summers one of the three summers [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► that she was dating Bobby is your horse [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► fall in the winter no that's like come [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► on don't know when to walk away no [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► winter and don't start a land war in [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► Russia and don't think I'm very cold and [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► he had extracurricular activities that's [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► why you couldn't go so I want that I [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► want that for some reason and but but [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► you know my mom didn't start and end [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► dating Bobby on a calendar and you know [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► what what grade was I in and I had the [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► things I have photographs and I would [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► like to put those photographs into this [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► tool and you slow the app you have will [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► say like oh this is the date you put it [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► on your computer here's the thing it [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► would be nice to get granular down to [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► the minute I would love it if it was [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► very much granular to the hour or the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► day but you know what for the first cut [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► at this platform I would be okay if you [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► could just put everything that happened [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► in all of history including my life [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► within a given month that's a start a [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► month you know what give me a month with [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► heat maps give me a heat map month so I [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► can see like oh this is this pulsing [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► period around the time more or less than [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► mom and Bobby broke up and a lot and I [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► lost my horse wallet yes right right I [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► mean I don't just agree you know I'm [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► saying right like a view it's gonna take [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► a while to get all this perfect you were [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► probably going to have new metadata on [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► life gonna go forward basis but based on [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► what we've got historically and [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► geographically you know and really let's [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► be honest geologically let's put all of [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► that into the mainframe and see what we [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► can push out because I already have this [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► data I have attempted to put this data [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► into the Mac calendar into some kind of [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► there's a Google the Google Maps has a [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► has a feature where you can sort of plan [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► trips because they build these things [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► and they're like this is gonna be a tool [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► for people to plan trips and I'm like I [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► don't want to plan any trip I want to [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► document past trips in a [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► in space right I want to I want to draw [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► them out but I also want to put other [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► information in their right to describe [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► what has already happened and and a lot [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► of these programs you put something in [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► and if it's not if the program itself [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► doesn't have some reason to alert you to [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► some upcoming thing it just has no it [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► just sort of becomes a crinkly dry dead [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► leaf on your computer where you're like [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► oh that's right just didn't I put [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► something in that once it's not she you [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► don't want to see like however long it [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► was like three months it's just a big [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► long banner that says Europe right right [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► right that's exactly right that's the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► worst kind of time geography and that's [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► what I have right now and I have that in [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► six different platforms and and you know [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► my mom still remembers right like if I [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► had if I had been able to really put [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► pull this data when my dad was still [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► alive I could go in with this [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► architecture and I would say fill in [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► some gaps here for me when was it [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► exactly that you put wrapped your Jaguar [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► around a tree mm-hm [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► and my dad would say oh I don't know 49 [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► and I would say well it could have been [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► 49 dad because he'd you didn't buy there [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► weren't any trees in 49 they all started [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► growing in the early 50s [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► oh right right uh 59 well dad can you [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► really not tell that it was between 49 [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► and 59 like that's a that's a long scope [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► he's like alright god damn it it was [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► June of 56 I remember it like it was [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► yesterday and then I would go oh alright [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► so that now there's something weird [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► about how why he doesn't want to tell me [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► when this happened and meanwhile I'm [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► putting this information in he's gonna [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► lab a witness and now I can't now I got [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► nothing like I asked my uncle Jack [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► questions and uncle Jack's go-to answer [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► and it's always been uncle jack says I [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► don't remember and I don't know whether [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► Uncle Jack remembers or not [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► he just says he doesn't remember and I [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► and I say Uncle Jack somebody's got to [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► remember you're the only one that was [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► there you're the last of the mohicans [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► and he says he [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► I just I don't remember and it's like as [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► a time geographer I'm standing there [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► with my with my quill pen and my [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► parchment ready to put this down yep and [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► it's like Uncle Jack [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► I remember better than that like I can [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► at least give you the following [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► framework but my mom is still around she [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► still is cute and I can say to her I can [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► sit with her and work this stuff out and [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► you know a lot of the a lot of the data [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► we have about our family is the result [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► of her grandmother doing genealogical [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► research at a time when you had to write [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► letters to the county purser of the [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► neighboring County and that person would [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► send you back some papers and you'd go [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► to graveyards and wander around looking [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► for headstones that had recognizable [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► names and my mom's grandmother wrote a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► bunch of stuff in the back of the family [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► by the antenna and that family Bible [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► became the jumping-off point for a whole [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► historic is history ography of our clam [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► on that side thank God for it and now I [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► want that in in six dimensions on my [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► phone is that so much to ask I don't I [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► don't I don't think it is [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► you got you got more than adequate [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► firepower on there it's just it's a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► question of will right and it's a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► question of somebody being willing to [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► design this or or pull together five [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► programs that already exist under an [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► umbrella of a you know six the design a [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► sixth element if you will like here's [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► another question Merlin this is an [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► interesting tech question is there a [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► word for a pro computer program or an [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► app which just is populated by other [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► apps and that it's an over a pan Ober [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► app that just takes the skill sets of [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► five different apps that are all trying [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► to do something that are all trying to [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► make commerce because that's what apps [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► are trying to do they're out there [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► trying to make commerce like this one [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► we'll get pizza delivered to your house [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► in two minutes and this one over here is [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► telling you you know the temperature in [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► Jakarta and this uber app takes those [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► five apps unbeknownst to them and [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► combines them into an actual resource [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► that is like doing some deeper thing is [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► that a thing [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► absolutely well think about this think [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► about whatever app you use for your [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► calendar really what you've got is some [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► kind of uh you've signed in somewhere [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► and it's pulling in that your same set [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► of data from iCloud or Google Calendar [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► or whatever you use it pulls that in and [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► then there's you know features as to how [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► it's displayed and what kinds of [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► reminders you get but that raw [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► information exists as a as a feed right [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► yeah I think about stuff like with my I [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► do lots of stuff with um what would you [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► can see Word is like what do they call [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► it self quantification or but basically [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► like I can track my sleep I'm tracking [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► my steps I'm tracking my weight and [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► there are apps varieties of different [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► apps that will on the one hand there are [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► apps that will track that stuff like [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► like this thing is saying how many steps [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► I got and then this other app can pull [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► that information in through an API and [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► then now I get that in all these [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► different places so yeah I mean there's [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► no reason this can't exist there's [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► probably some half-finished open-source [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► version of this I think we need to get [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► you on Syracuse on this they're gonna [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► need a database structure for this that [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► is very very sound and scalable because [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► we need to think about the time [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► geography that we don't know about yet [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► right that's what people always plan for [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► what we know how do we plan how would [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► you even know you start planning for the [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► future yes you plan for the future you [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► know you go to war with the army you [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► don't have no you go you go to war with [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► the ugh with the army you can't predict [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► what exists right you haven't even [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► imagined the army you're gonna go come [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► back on the Terra Cotta man we don't [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► know there is almost no thing that [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► happens or happened or will happen that [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► I won't at some point or another wanna [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► see in a calendar get all the metadata [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► fixed up for all of that stuff when you [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► look at your [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► many steps did you take today bracelet [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► yeah and you look at that when you pull [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► it up on your on your phone or computer [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► yes you I am assuming thrill to see it [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► in time right you want to see like how I [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► can be I can be walking and like as I'm [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► taking steps I can see the step count [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► going up on the on on the dingus but yes [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► also on my phone but you want to see [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► like how many steps did I take this week [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► how does that compare to the week before [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the this week last year yes like [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► everything you want to populate like you [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► because you want to see it that way you [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► want to see it that all I see it all and [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► it matters and then you're like why did [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► I why did I walk so much in June of last [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► year [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► Oh June of last year I bought a rabbit [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► and I was chasing the rabbit all the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► time that explains that does that now [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► where it tries to draw conclusions and [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► says things like you walk more when it's [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► sunny out or you sleep more when it's [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► this time of year and stuff like that [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► that goes I'm already like on this Grail [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► quest believe me I am there with you I [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► like I like that you walk more when it's [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► sunny outside thank you computer [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► yeah well some of them are pretty bad I [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► mean some of the some of the conclusions [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► it's trying a little too hard but it'll [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► be like you know you weigh more when [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► you're in Washington DC and it's like [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► well I was just there one time like wow [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► it looks like you're trying to write a [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► letter do you need help [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► this is already there there's missing [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► parts that we got two pieces into this [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► you got your data stuff over here and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► your metadata stuff and then you've got [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► what the app does over here and they're [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► obviously both are partly there but most [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► of failing if I want to see when [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► Christmas happened every year way to do [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► that that data exists and I want to see [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► that on a calendar with exactly one [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► month based view that's not a problem [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► so right there are always kids on the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► Letterman Show they can tell you what [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► day of the week Christmas was at any any [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► year in history yeah wouldn't it be [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► handy really usually December 25th is [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► the rule of thumb yeah but is that next [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► Tuesday or [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► next year last year this year right I'm [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► getting really confused but no now the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► problem is failing in both ways on the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► one hand how you get all the ambient [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► data that I don't think I need to care [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► about over here normalized into a format [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► where then we've got the app over here [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► who can do stuff like make the heat maps [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► and say like oh you get sat around this [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► time of year because there's fewer [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► bicycle rentals like tell me things I [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► don't know show me mash in 1974 I think [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► we need boat 2 fonts here sure and then [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► this guy over here yeah right [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► you got the stock to Arab what what's [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► confusing to me now is that I also need [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► some kind of measurement of my judgment [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► oh boy [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► because it's very hard within oneself I [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► have found and have been studying [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► recently to not see your judgement along [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► somewhat of a constant line because you [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► feel that there's constancy in your [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► existence right I don't want to get to [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► Kierkegaard but no no I think I think [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► you're there this is this is this is the [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► kind of arrogance and self-absorption [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► that got us to where we are in yeah in [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► the world today I think what there is [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► this one self that is going this is why [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► this is how we beat the Neanderthals so [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► but you know that you are not constant [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► and I know for a fact although I in many [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► many ways M constant my judgment is may [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► be measurably different mm-hmm [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► maybe not I get a lot of I get a lot of [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► evidence presented to me in story form [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► by other people in my life previously on [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► previously on John Roderick the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► following seems to be true this was a [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► two-part episode [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► uh-huh and now and the thing is I am NOT [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► a person that is that you that you [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► cannot depend on their reality being [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► consistent right I'm not somebody that's [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► like well wait a minute yesterday you [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► said you said that you would never move [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► to Paris and today you're saying that [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► you're gonna move to Paris which is it [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► Lenny I'm not that that is not what [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► happens what what the anecdotal evidence [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► that is sometimes presented to me by [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► other people who are also unreliable and [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► have an interest in the outcome its [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► unreliability all the way down in all [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► humans all the time uh-huh [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► but you know I hear things like well [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► since you started treating your bipolar [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► condition with your medicine something [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► is different about X and I and and my [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► initial reaction is this is one of those [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► situations where gives you person who is [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► sharing the senator anecdote with me has [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► looked at a photograph of Christmas in [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► 1976 so many times that you think you [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► remember 1976 sure but what you're [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► remembering is the photograph like I am [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► I am not convinced that anyone else's [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► anecdote is any clearer is any more [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► clearly remembered than my own internal [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► memory of it but I'm listening to people [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► say this and I now would like some kind [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► of Fitbit of judgment where the machine [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► on the wrist is saying in September of [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► last year you probably would not have [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► had 14 coffees today and the September [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► the year before oh it's an intelligent [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► agent it's got its got like a soft soft [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► kind of like what do you call it like a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► fuzzy logic to it you know this is more [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► likely than that it's a quantum computer [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► mm-hmm it's fuzzy action at a distance [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► yes mm-hmm and so what I what I need to [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► know is how different because I perceive [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► myself to be different than I was five [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► years ago [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► I perceive it in many many many many [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► ways but how different am I [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► from five years ago not just in how many [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► cups of coffee I typically drink but in [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► these other ways that are measurable [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► we're just not taking were just not [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► collecting that data we weren't five [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► years ago but now that we are collecting [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► all this data and it's mostly being used [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► to target us for Amazon Prime deals get [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► a new model I want access to that data [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► in order to measure my psychological [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► process my psychological progress [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► through a calendar progress and process [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► you should see those on different axes [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► and then you can make a Tom Cruise [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► motion but here's the problem is like [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► well I part of what you're describing is [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► like I don't even know if your [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► microscope is seeing the same microscope [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► that I'm seeing like what you know is [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► your read the same as mine it's white [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► how do we know we're not living in a [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► Giants thumbnail how would you even know [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► how would you know how would I trust how [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► can I trust your judgments about my [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► judgments [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► that's the tricky thing in human being [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► right what if you what have you made you [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► do that what if you make the encoding [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► error and not me [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► this happens all the time somebody says [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► you're them you're different and you say [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► I'm not different you're you're [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► remembering wrong or it's you that's [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► different you're a judgmental asshole [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► who offers opinions without the rest and [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► because there's no like because we don't [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► yet have drones shaped like mosquitoes [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► that are flying around recording [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► everything and are there for us to say [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► drone replay that conversation from 11 [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► minutes ago see see you did say it and [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► then the other person goes fake news and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► then you're way back to the start [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► because their drone has snapchat filter [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► on it that makes everybody look like a [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► deer no it's super cute and then they [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► play back reality and they're like Dave [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► Instagram their memories and now [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► everything looks like it was shot in a [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► sewer in 1992 right right right [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► well this is the thing like I think [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► we've talked about before maybe this was [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► just something that maybe this is just [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► pillow talk that I've shared stuff with [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► lady friends but there will be obviously [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► a moment in the very near future where [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► as part of our of our ongoing sort of [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► cultural sense that your wreath at my [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► reality is equal to the your reality [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► then not then there is and it's not [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► important that anybody be pursuing an [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► actual reality lived experience lived [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► experience that it will it will turn out [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► that I wanted I am a deer in my reality [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► and I also expect you as my friend to [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► have me as a deer in your reality oh it [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► becomes like a second life type [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► situation or an avatar yeah it's an [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► identity thing where a deer and you are [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► the headlights you're in the magnet and [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► I am steal anything [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► and if you are a friend of mine or or a [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► respectful person you're going to have [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► me you're gonna see me as a deer in your [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► heads-up display I get it it's gonna be [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► but but but then somebody somebody else [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► goes oh no I don't see species that's [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► I refuse to see you as a deer lynnium I [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► don't see species or yeah right or or [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► yeah it's gonna be this kind of like I'm [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► a libertarian so I refuse to see people [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► other than as they actually appear in [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► corporeal space right they're always a [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► pug or they're always yeah we're right [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► right all right I refuse to see anybody [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► except colorized as a plastic GI Joe and [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► then over here there's gonna be a [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► culture of people that are like I always [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► when I accept a friend request from [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► someone as they are standing in front of [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► me and we're both looking at each other [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► in a are yes I'm always going to accept [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► their friend requests in the terms that [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► they are dictating which is like in my [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► in my AR world [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► right I have flowers pouring out of my [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► ears I get it okay and you have to maybe [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► you have to negotiate this a little bit [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► in a respectful way you meet somebody [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► who says you know whatever I don't care [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► you can draw a mustache on my avatar I [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► don't care another person says I am dear [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► I am always dear right that says I'm a [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► barely visible gas right and another [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► person is like a cosplay cool cat and [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► you have to respect that because that's [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► cosplay cool cat [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► well on you and you there's absolutely [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► gonna be a thing where you can set your [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► settings in your actual AR existence [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► where you're like I'm not gonna interact [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► with anybody you can't add me you can't [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► add me as deer right you could not [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► accept the deer request and then you [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► have to agree to apply these terms and [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► conditions I'll always be a deer right [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► and and I'm not gonna interact with [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► anybody in the world that doesn't [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► acknowledge me as a deer first and [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► foremost but then what do you do when [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► you walk into the fudge shop and you say [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► I'd like to order three pieces of fudge [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► and the person behind the cash register [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► refuses to see you as a deer oh I see [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► what you're saying it's like a wedding [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► cake type situation we're not gonna make [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► that I don't I don't I don't I don't [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► make fudge for deer and we write fudge [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► for furries but you're not gonna be able [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► to get a job places unless you get a [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► chip you got to get the fresh chip you [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► got to get a new chip and maybe [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► everybody there's a cartoon horse Percy [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► small right and the workhorse like a [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► white horse they're gonna be or a white [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► horse on a wallet mm-hmm and then their [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► communities of people up in Montana who [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► are ORS in there AR goggles are holding [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► each other as green army men because [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► that's that's you know they're people [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► are gonna then be selecting communities [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► based on how to what degree you accept [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► another person's reality as as your [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► reality when it's in when you're [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► interacting with them and if you were [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► for example as a family a clan as a [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► group you were to go and take over a [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► virtual national park in Oregon you [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► could you could and probably should [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► dictate the terms of the avatar if [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► you're gonna show this on Facebook live [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► you have to show me as the avatar that I [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► that I am in virtual virtual Oregon [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► right that's the thing to do there are [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► gonna be people whose lives are [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► amazingly rich in the sense that they [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► accept everyone's identity as that [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► person prefers so they're gonna be [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► walking down the street and here's gonna [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► be a name orphis gasps and here's gonna [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► be still a submarine right I mean it's [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► gonna be whatever somebody offers up you [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► just you just take it like if somebody [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► says I am a 16-foot tall anvil with tiny [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► little feet that's gonna be who you're [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► dealing with [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► right it's gonna be you're gonna be [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► living in comic-con all the time what [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► sells pretty great and actually I wonder [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► if I'm always trying to think like I [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► don't want to go to comic-con as spy [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► versus spy cuz people have already [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► already done that but has there ever [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► been a blue meanie I bet there has but [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► if there hasn't been a blue meanie I [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► want to be a blue mean this is your live [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► blue meanie well sure I want to be [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► called blue meanie when I'm dressed as a [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► blue meanie but mister me was my father [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► but that is going to make it berry [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► that's gonna make it very very [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► additionally difficult to agree upon a [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► shared reality because you know like in [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► Deer land in in amorphous gas land some [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► things are simply not possible and if [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► those things happened that's less [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► important than whether or not they're [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► possible in the other reality right it's [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► not possible that a deer would eat a [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► beef beef isn't on a deer diet all right [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► but if this deer ate a beef that deer [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► has is looking at that looking at the [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► beef through their AR lenses as as waves [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► of grain and here's to tell you that [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► just because you're a deer you can't [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► marry a cartoon animal with tiny feet [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► know you know right it depends on the [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► community the community standards right [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► somebody is gonna be out there in [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► Montana telling you you can't do that [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► and they're on the wrong side of this is [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► a huge wrinkle and this might be what [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► we're already talking about cuz I'm not [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► sure but I think one huge wrinkle to [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► this is how will this be recorded as [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► time geography what this new level it [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► used to be that like whatever meat bag [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► you had was the meat bag you got right [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► and you don't get upset but like what [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► happens when sometimes you're a deer [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► other times you're an anvil and [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► sometimes you're any morphus gasps how [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► does that get recorded by the apps well [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► so now right like one of the major [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► selling points of snapchat was that [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► they're not recording it and all this is [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► fun mm-hmm and you're just over there [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► having fun sending each other dick pics [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► or whatever used to happen on snapchat [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► before it became a publicly traded [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► company and I think that was the appeal [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► too because people would ask me all [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► too because people would ask me all [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► time what is the appeal of snapchat why [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► is that because you know I'm obviously a [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► tech pundit and I would say I think the [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► appeal of it is that certainly when I [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► was young like between the ages of 16 [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► and 26 there are five extant photographs [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► of me that I know about and they are in [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► a shoebox now there are probably 15 [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► other photographs of me where I am in [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► the background of a photo it taken but [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► of two other people and that's in [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► someone else's shoebox but if I want to [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► see what I look like at age 24 I do not [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► have many options you have to interpret [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► lay triangulate simulate but the problem [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► is I you know I looked awful throughout [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► that period and I looked awful in a [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► thousand different ways so there's no [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► way to say okay I want to see drunk and [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► high John Wright in September no beard [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► of nine year dream cut the by six months [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► right and I remember it very well right [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► I would never like this is your [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► liability is you didn't you don't black [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► out [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► I don't black out yeah and so it's like [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► I was dating a bike messenger there was [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► that guy that came around the comet [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► tavern for about a week talking about [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► how we were gonna open up a jazz cafe [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► and it was going to transform the world [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► because hip-hop and jazz and freedom us [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► and art was just the one in the bus [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► station that was the one at the bus [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► station see I don't just scrub back and [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► watch a little bit of that and and now [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► if I was if this was happening now [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► there'd be 550 thousand photographs of [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► me working the door at the bus station [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► jazz hip hop cafe as it stands if there [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► is a photograph of me doing that it's I [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► don't own it it's in the background of [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► somebody else's in somebody else's shoe [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► box yeah but you're the deer in someone [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► else's selfie that's right mm-hmm but I [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► think the I think snapchat offered [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► contemporary contemporary people the [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► option of having the fun of that [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► photograph but not having it in your [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► shoebox forever the problem is that [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► snapchat already I feel is sort of being [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► marginalized right like Instagram came [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► in and was like oh we can steal [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► your ideas except for wool well we'll [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► keep it and it'll last that's what [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► happened right instinct Instagram took [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► some ideas from snapchat I'm not on [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► either one so forgive me but the [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► Instagram came in and swooped in and [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► took some of the uniquely snapchat e [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► ideas and basically took it lock stock [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► and barrel and made it part of Instagram [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► is that right it made a part of [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► Instagram and then you get the stories [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► you get stuff like that right stories [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► like disappear after a while and they're [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► kind of hard like oh I'd like to rewatch [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► that it was only two seconds long it [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► just breaks my brain yes I don't know if [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► you can watch it but some but we're not [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► promising that it doesn't exist [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► somewhere on our servers but somewhere [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► in the in the near future all of these [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► interactions between a deer and an [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► amorphous gas and an anvil with two [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► small feet yeah are that's all going to [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► be kept by Jeff Bezos in a salty the [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► opposite of snapchat I want retroactive [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► reverse snapchat I with everything that [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► anvil has ever done from the moment that [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► it decided that it's lived experience [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► was an anvil with tiny feet I want to be [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► there for that I would I would scrub [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► past that Christmas at the anvil house [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► that would be so sweet but instead we're [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► putting our resources into doing the [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► opposite which is to taking a picture of [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► nothing and then making it go away I [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► don't want to sound anti millennium I [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► love these people I think they're gonna [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► build our future you know give them hope [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► let them lead the way [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► sure like we've got to stop destroying [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► the unimportant things and then [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► remembering remembering all of the [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► unimportant things that is the ephemera [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► where were lousy with it we're swimming [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► in an ocean of ephemera but we can't [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► even touch it [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► even with our little hubs can't touch [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► there's so much ephemera that's just [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► right there you know it's right there [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► you just cost there's probably one [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► person from the hip hop jazz alcohol [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► club that like you can just almost time [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► to remember somebody from the newsstand [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► who used to come in play reggae was that [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► it well yeah I mean at the newsstand but [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► you know the jazz club is where I met [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► Reggie Watts now Reggie Watts lives in a [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► in a in a separate reality Reggie Watts [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► is reality and mine are only anymore [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► tangentially connected by virtue of us [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► both occupying a similar sort of like [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► weird minor celebrities even still know [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► that you're he's your nemesis does he [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► even know that anymore [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► I don't think I'm not the thing is the [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► last several times I've seen him here [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► been in a hope mobile I know I don't I [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► don't feel like this is talking out of [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► school to say that he has been in a vape [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► cloud that excludes other people [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► does he bust a sick vape it'd be [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► probably busts the sickest things Reggie [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► Watts busts the sickest vape for a long [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► time he but he busted sick vapes back [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► before vapes and now that there vapes [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► any cigarettes here we're talking about [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► like little r2d2 r2d2 dildo with a sick [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► like a raspberry vape for sure and [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► Reggie knew that he was my nemesis when [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► he and I were dating the same person [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► subsequently mm oh so we so he so we [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► were nemec's in the sense of like we [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► would run into each other and there [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► would be a little bit of like are we [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► cool yeah can I ask who came first as [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► part of me let me rephrase that [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► yeah um can I ask what the order of [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► partnering was so I was partners with [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► someone who you know what I was early on [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► in in her partnering life okay and then [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► we split up and then somewhere along the [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► way she and Reggie had a relationship I [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► when I found out tried to discourage her [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► because I had known him you know in [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► other worlds in this jazz cafe' being a [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► bit this was one of the worlds but also [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► we had also met we were we were our Venn [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► diagrams overlapped quite a bit although [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► never at this never the center of the [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► circle right we never came we never came [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► we were never like let's go do let's go [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► to a third location fellow him but my [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► lady friend spoke very highly of him [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► they parted amicably and then she and I [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► came back together somewhere down the [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► line in our timeline where it was like [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► oh we've been apart for a couple of [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► years but it turned out we're one of [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► those couples that gets divorced in 74 [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► yeah remarries in 76 and then gets [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► divorced again in 79 that's a nice way [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► to do it that's very symmetrical I like [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► that yeah so we were you know each of us [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► were married [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► 11 times but one but two of those 11 [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► times were to each other this is the [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► person I was married to the most right [TS]

01:06:59 ◼   ► and so it was you know so there but [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► there was a period there in the middle [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► where he was dating her and he was like [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► when we would see each other he would be [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► tentative and a little bit like hey man [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► is you know are we cool and then I was [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► the one that was like we're cool what [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► are you talking about of course [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► everything's cool you know I'm not [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► seeing her anymore I'm not one of those [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► guys like yeah I'm happy for you [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► you know but I wasn't you know and then [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► you can't say that you can't say I'm not [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► happy about it you have to be like yeah [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► that's he said that's gonna be recorded [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► forever people will be able to scrub [TS]

01:07:33 ◼   ► back on that and this is a long time ago [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► I was in my 20s I didn't have any sense [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► of but then later on she and I are [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► dating again like she's an iconic figure [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► to in my life and then he is in the [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► position of of having to say hey I'm [TS]

01:07:55 ◼   ► happy for you but because I because I [TS]

01:07:58 ◼   ► felt like this my relationship with her [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► was the primary relationship mm-hmm I [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► did not feel like I needed to say hey is [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► this cool because I didn't I [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► there was just an interregnum that [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► included him I was the original The Rime [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► animal Oh interesting and so I was like [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► hey what's up oh yeah times have changed [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► and then he was like oh I'm I'm cool [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► you got him done he's done not you do [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► this but he's doubting himself a little [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► bit well you know though the one the one [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► who asks are we cool is the one who [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► thinks you may not be cool right and I [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► didn't have to worry about whether or [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► not we were cool they knew you know he's [TS]