Roderick on the Line

Ep. 253: "A Worked Horse"


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00:00:05   hello no John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:10   good I'm sorry that I'm late you're [TS]

00:00:13   pretty close pretty close but he's still [TS]

00:00:18   late our listeners don't actually know [TS]

00:00:23   when we started recording unless we tell [TS]

00:00:26   them oh I see I see what you're saying [TS]

00:00:28   but that's I appreciate the courtesy [TS]

00:00:30   well I mean I know that you still it [TS]

00:00:33   affects the show when I'm late or what [TS]

00:00:36   time it is [TS]

00:00:37   sure well I think it does affect the [TS]

00:00:42   show on the long on the long haul [TS]

00:00:48   if you feel like I can't reliably be in [TS]

00:00:53   the chair hooked up with all the [TS]

00:00:55   life-support systems [TS]

00:00:57   plugged in yeah at the time that you [TS]

00:01:01   have said through multiple based on your [TS]

00:01:10   request this is the briar patch of your [TS]

00:01:15   own design you know a little bit of the [TS]

00:01:18   little lateness is just it's bad form [TS]

00:01:20   it's bad form yeah and I want to be you [TS]

00:01:24   know I want to be johnny-on-the-spot [TS]

00:01:25   it's named after me oh no that's so much [TS]

00:01:31   pressure it really is right I have [TS]

00:01:33   relatively few things like that yeah [TS]

00:01:38   like Merlin go to market or whatever you [TS]

00:01:41   Merlin go to market strategy yeah that's [TS]

00:01:43   what they say down in now sv as we call [TS]

00:01:46   it down an old sv oh that's V we call it [TS]

00:01:49   I learned an excellent new word today [TS]

00:01:51   that I think might be useful to you yeah [TS]

00:01:55   [Music] [TS]

00:01:57   there's a podcast I listen to it doesn't [TS]

00:02:01   matter it's called no such thing as a [TS]

00:02:02   fish and it's um these four researchers [TS]

00:02:04   for a British quiz show called Qi and [TS]

00:02:07   every week they come in and they take [TS]

00:02:08   four topics and each one of them offers [TS]

00:02:10   an interesting fact they discovered in [TS]

00:02:11   the last week about that topic [TS]

00:02:13   they look really good Twitter and I know [TS]

00:02:14   you like word Twitter and so on their [TS]

00:02:16   word Twitter today actually just a [TS]

00:02:19   little big bit ago word of the day [TS]

00:02:22   Nick Semoran Nick ephemeral you tell [TS]

00:02:26   it's Greek because it's got a why mm-hmm [TS]

00:02:29   I think I'm pronouncing that correctly [TS]

00:02:30   Nick Thames Ron a period of 24 hours [TS]

00:02:33   used to avoid confusion between day [TS]

00:02:36   meaning daylight and day meaning 24 [TS]

00:02:39   hours huh it's not pretty good so how so [TS]

00:02:43   how would you deploy Nick them or not [TS]

00:02:45   well I mean first of all you're gonna [TS]

00:02:47   sound like kind of a douche if you say [TS]

00:02:48   it cuz you're gonna sound like a guy who [TS]

00:02:49   follows word Twitter but but I think [TS]

00:02:53   that's you know it's fine this is one of [TS]

00:02:55   those things you know eight words for [TS]

00:02:56   snow type situation where we've got [TS]

00:02:59   these words that are very easy to [TS]

00:03:02   confuse oneself with or trip over yeah [TS]

00:03:05   another example I don't want to derail [TS]

00:03:07   the derail but another one is this week [TS]

00:03:09   versus next week I think people use next [TS]

00:03:11   weekend this week very differently i [TS]

00:03:14   it's so funny that you say that because [TS]

00:03:17   I am always tripping up this week next [TS]

00:03:20   week is there a standard for that I it's [TS]

00:03:25   it's crazy right I mean I have said in [TS]

00:03:27   the past to you something that I think I [TS]

00:03:30   probably picked up from John siracusa [TS]

00:03:32   which is oh why is the USB thing so hard [TS]

00:03:36   to tell what the top of it is and you [TS]

00:03:39   always go noise you always don't respond [TS]

00:03:42   because it's probably a trope in your in [TS]

00:03:45   your world well I do I do know that I [TS]

00:03:48   get it wrong over 50% of the time which [TS]

00:03:50   seems improbable yeah and it seems like [TS]

00:03:53   that it's be real easy to put like an X [TS]

00:03:55   on it or something I saw a fox video [TS]

00:03:58   that says you should make your marker [TS]

00:04:00   and mark the top side with red on the [TS]

00:04:02   dingus and then draw on your computer [TS]

00:04:04   [Laughter] [TS]

00:04:04   [Music] [TS]

00:04:10   but it does seem funny that doesn't come [TS]

00:04:13   that way from the factory but I am [TS]

00:04:15   constantly saying well alright let's get [TS]

00:04:16   together next week next week on Monday [TS]

00:04:21   let me give you another one because I [TS]

00:04:23   think part of there's several problems [TS]

00:04:24   here one of the problems is [TS]

00:04:26   what people consider this and next some [TS]

00:04:28   people I think next Tuesday means the [TS]

00:04:33   next Tuesday that comes up and I think [TS]

00:04:35   other people think that means the next [TS]

00:04:37   Tuesday of a week starting on a given [TS]

00:04:39   day so that's problem right one problem [TS]

00:04:41   number two is I still don't think [TS]

00:04:43   there's a cent on whether a week starts [TS]

00:04:44   on Sunday or Monday or otherwise right [TS]

00:04:47   so I write it's doubly confusing so if [TS]

00:04:49   we're talking on Saturday [TS]

00:04:53   well let's say you know just for fun [TS]

00:04:55   let's say we're talking on Saturday and [TS]

00:04:56   I say next Tuesday does that mean in [TS]

00:04:58   three days yeah I think so [TS]

00:05:00   but if you're talking about if you're on [TS]

00:05:01   Monday and you say let's get together [TS]

00:05:05   next Tuesday mm-hmm [TS]

00:05:08   I think you mean the Tuesday in the [TS]

00:05:10   following week because you would say [TS]

00:05:12   this Tuesday about the one coming up [TS]

00:05:16   right but I but as you say right this [TS]

00:05:20   seems like something the language should [TS]

00:05:23   have decided upon something we should [TS]

00:05:26   have resolved maybe 500 years ago [TS]

00:05:29   because it comes up all the time there [TS]

00:05:32   just isn't a nick theory on about this [TS]

00:05:37   where we can say like this is not thus [TS]

00:05:41   it is not this Thursday but thus [TS]

00:05:43   Thursday some further thus Thursday I [TS]

00:05:46   kind of like it's this Thursday yeah UE [TS]

00:05:51   and the way we make up for this is [TS]

00:05:53   people like me add levels of precision [TS]

00:05:55   that make some people roll their eyes [TS]

00:05:58   mmm well I mean it depends on who I'm [TS]

00:06:02   talking to you and that isn't that the [TS]

00:06:04   point like when you're talking to [TS]

00:06:05   somebody I mean it can be pretty crazy [TS]

00:06:07   making to do business regularly with [TS]

00:06:09   somebody who's in say the UK or Italy or [TS]

00:06:14   something like that right well [TS]

00:06:16   especially the UK given their culture so [TS]

00:06:21   hard to do business with those people [TS]

00:06:23   kochak the UM the the thing with that is [TS]

00:06:27   though I mean you I think you develop [TS]

00:06:31   you develop a shorthand with each other [TS]

00:06:33   of learning how to sort of you know how [TS]

00:06:36   what level of precision is needed right [TS]

00:06:38   and [TS]

00:06:39   I think the safest thing to assume and [TS]

00:06:42   this is what I do as you as you may know [TS]

00:06:44   what I do it's easy enough for us [TS]

00:06:46   because we're in the same time zone [TS]

00:06:47   usually but usually what I will do is [TS]

00:06:49   when I propose something I include what [TS]

00:06:51   I consider to be three important pieces [TS]

00:06:53   of information when referring to a date [TS]

00:06:55   which is a day of the week the date and [TS]

00:07:00   the time in that person's time zone and [TS]

00:07:03   then with my time zone in parentheses [TS]

00:07:05   after it I'm trying to really bring the [TS]

00:07:08   fight to them you really do a fantastic [TS]

00:07:11   job and then even I mean we have had [TS]

00:07:13   multiple conversations where I have said [TS]

00:07:15   great let's talk tomorrow morning at [TS]

00:07:17   8:00 and then I immediately get a [TS]

00:07:18   calendar invitation for tomorrow which I [TS]

00:07:20   as I assume you hate which is the which [TS]

00:07:23   is amazing and also what it's confusing [TS]

00:07:27   for me because I sometimes go in and [TS]

00:07:30   make a calendar notification I'm so glad [TS]

00:07:34   to hear that I did not know that and [TS]

00:07:36   then yours arrives and then I have to [TS]

00:07:39   because if I if I do not accept your [TS]

00:07:42   calendar invitation I get a tersely [TS]

00:07:44   worded tersely worded memo very quickly [TS]

00:07:48   oh no that's not for me I don't say that [TS]

00:07:50   no you say I just sent you a thing and [TS]

00:07:52   you declined it I do another thing which [TS]

00:07:57   is that now we're derailing the derail [TS]

00:07:59   to the derail but it's also confusing [TS]

00:08:00   because calendar apps suck and then you [TS]

00:08:02   get these like mystery meat like [TS]

00:08:03   reschedules or deletes and you're like [TS]

00:08:05   I'm not sure what to do about that but [TS]

00:08:07   you know I think it pays here's the [TS]

00:08:09   problem is that I am wracked with [TS]

00:08:10   anxiety and if I don't have a sense of [TS]

00:08:14   what's on my calendar for the next week [TS]

00:08:15   and let's be honest I don't do much [TS]

00:08:16   right but like knowing what's on the [TS]

00:08:19   calendar is all that keeps me from being [TS]

00:08:21   up all night so I think those are great [TS]

00:08:24   rock and roll lyrics - what's that [TS]

00:08:26   knowing what's on the calendar keeps me [TS]

00:08:28   from being awake at night that's pretty [TS]

00:08:29   good I mean you can do that if you want [TS]

00:08:31   it's a new it's a new kind of rock and [TS]

00:08:32   roll I don't think that would have been [TS]

00:08:34   a very good rolling scholars new rock [TS]

00:08:36   yeah it's me it's a new rock it's [TS]

00:08:38   opposed post post Rock doing business is [TS]

00:08:44   hard first of all let's put that out [TS]

00:08:46   especially the England with England it's [TS]

00:08:49   bad what in Italy sometimes you have to [TS]

00:08:51   stipulate what you know like what [TS]

00:08:53   the power there is in 220 right and [TS]

00:08:55   they're like whatever you need 222 it's [TS]

00:08:59   casual ma but but yeah I I shared my [TS]

00:09:08   calendar at one point with members of my [TS]

00:09:11   family because it was can everyone was [TS]

00:09:14   trying to make arrangements plans with [TS]

00:09:17   me they odd things for me to do they [TS]

00:09:19   kept being confused like win me you're [TS]

00:09:21   out of town like well how come you [TS]

00:09:23   didn't tell us what you were gonna you [TS]

00:09:24   were out of town I'm your I'm your [TS]

00:09:27   mother for instance and I would say oh [TS]

00:09:30   sorry [TS]

00:09:32   which is my you know go to the answer [TS]

00:09:35   that's if you're gonna apologize that's [TS]

00:09:37   a good answer [TS]

00:09:39   so I started sharing my calendar like [TS]

00:09:43   you know what my life's an open book go [TS]

00:09:45   ahead everybody here's my calendar if [TS]

00:09:47   you want to add things to it if you want [TS]

00:09:48   to look at where I'm gonna be today fine [TS]

00:09:50   fine I gotta hide not you but then you [TS]

00:09:56   can't put things in your calendar you [TS]

00:09:57   don't want everybody to see mm-hmm you [TS]

00:09:59   can't be like oh I'm going to the [TS]

00:10:01   bathhouse with a bunch of guys from the [TS]

00:10:02   Third Army tomorrow and you know and [TS]

00:10:06   we're gonna like go over our invasion [TS]

00:10:08   plans you really need clean no II get [TS]

00:10:10   that [TS]

00:10:12   and so now I'm now things show up in my [TS]

00:10:14   calendar I don't know where they come [TS]

00:10:16   from [TS]

00:10:16   did my mom put that there did my [TS]

00:10:19   daughter's mother put that there did [TS]

00:10:20   somebody I used to date put that there [TS]

00:10:22   that I forgot to dis include from the [TS]

00:10:25   calendar now hmm it's like you know [TS]

00:10:27   Tuesday July 29th drive car off cliff [TS]

00:10:31   into ocean rain right it's like what [TS]

00:10:33   that there yeah so yeah so my calendar [TS]

00:10:39   has become very confusing oh also a long [TS]

00:10:42   time ago maybe you can help me with this [TS]

00:10:45   oh I want to get back first of all or [TS]

00:10:49   maybe later I'm not sure whether first [TS]

00:10:50   of all or later [TS]

00:10:51   oh no does your week start on Monday or [TS]

00:10:54   Sunday I'm still working it out I'm just [TS]

00:10:57   I think it starts on Monday I feel like [TS]

00:11:00   that this is one where I have to yield [TS]

00:11:03   to my perception of others where I think [TS]

00:11:06   most people think of mine [TS]

00:11:07   when the Week starts I think so mm-hmm [TS]

00:11:10   sunday is the last day of the week I [TS]

00:11:12   think mm-hmm [TS]

00:11:14   so hard it would hard it'd be hard to [TS]

00:11:16   deal with I don't know exactly why it [TS]

00:11:18   would be hard but I think it would be [TS]

00:11:20   nice to feel like I feel like maybe this [TS]

00:11:22   is my Christianity showing that I think [TS]

00:11:26   I was raised I mean I guess it's in the [TS]

00:11:29   book but also just culturally was raised [TS]

00:11:32   to think of Sunday as the first day of [TS]

00:11:34   the week huh I don't know I have to go [TS]

00:11:36   check my Genesis on that but like I feel [TS]

00:11:38   like that was sort of the community [TS]

00:11:42   standard in Cincinnati Ohio in my [TS]

00:11:45   community in white oak anyway for like [TS]

00:11:47   when the Week starts interesting you [TS]

00:11:50   know I would think if you were an [TS]

00:11:51   Orthodox Jewish person that that would [TS]

00:11:54   make sense right because the Sabbath [TS]

00:11:55   starts on Friday at sundown and ends at [TS]

00:11:58   Saturday at so now what the hell why [TS]

00:11:59   would Sunday be the end of the week [TS]

00:12:00   right wouldn't Sunday be the first day [TS]

00:12:02   right but but that's the scene that's [TS]

00:12:04   Jude that's your Sunday to Sunday is [TS]

00:12:08   Saturday right right right [TS]

00:12:10   Friday to Saturday it's a little bit of [TS]

00:12:13   a different it's like it's a it's a [TS]

00:12:16   Koblenz or whatever they it's a nick [TS]

00:12:18   they're on a theme Ron you get 15% off [TS]

00:12:21   your week it's a big number on you can't [TS]

00:12:23   you can't touch your microwave oven at [TS]

00:12:25   last 24 hours you wash your hands before [TS]

00:12:27   and after you pee yes it's not the day [TS]

00:12:29   though because it's like it's the night [TS]

00:12:32   before I help you can I just wrap up two [TS]

00:12:34   things on Nick them eran quick okay cuz [TS]

00:12:37   I am reading for my further scholarship [TS]

00:12:39   on this which now is almost 14 minutes [TS]

00:12:42   of scholarship on this yeah I think it [TS]

00:12:44   is an English language problem I'll tell [TS]

00:12:45   you why according to the internet [TS]

00:12:47   science site it is the period of time [TS]

00:12:50   that a calendar normally labels with a [TS]

00:12:53   date although and this is the business I [TS]

00:12:56   think this is where this might be useful [TS]

00:12:57   for you although anacs themer on simply [TS]

00:13:00   designates a time span that can start at [TS]

00:13:03   any time [TS]

00:13:04   not just midnight it's a moveable feast [TS]

00:13:07   part one yeah if you go to bed at 2:00 [TS]

00:13:09   a.m. every night happy earth Imran [TS]

00:13:12   you're dealing with the nick them Iran [TS]

00:13:14   not a day so section one in other [TS]

00:13:16   languages some languages have a word for [TS]

00:13:18   24 hours more more loosely a day plus a [TS]

00:13:20   night [TS]

00:13:21   in no particular order unlike a calendar [TS]

00:13:23   date only the length is defined hmm with [TS]

00:13:26   no particular start or end furthermore [TS]

00:13:28   these words are considered basic and [TS]

00:13:30   native to the languages below so unlike [TS]

00:13:32   Nick Theron they are not associated with [TS]

00:13:34   jargon you can sound like Nick thumb [TS]

00:13:37   Iran in scheisse let's see if the [TS]

00:13:40   Germans have won wow this is lots of you [TS]

00:13:45   got Danish Swedish Iceland frisson North [TS]

00:13:48   and West Frisian whatever that is [TS]

00:13:52   Kanda who viens yeah good dog poor day [TS]

00:13:55   they've got dog dog da Jie is a lot of [TS]

00:13:57   them dog and dog or Latvian Lithuanian [TS]

00:14:00   Russian Hebrew Hebrew Bulgarian Bengali [TS]

00:14:04   Sanskrit Tamil polish Ukrainian so so [TS]

00:14:09   many of those languages are Baltic Sea [TS]

00:14:13   languages and I'm gonna I'm gonna make [TS]

00:14:17   an exception for for Bulgarian it [TS]

00:14:20   migrated down there some death metal [TS]

00:14:22   countries have it too they all have dog [TS]

00:14:24   well that's what I mean the Baltic okay [TS]

00:14:27   not Balkan oh sorry Baltic Sea the north [TS]

00:14:30   north part so that makes me feel [TS]

00:14:34   like--that's yeah right some kind of [TS]

00:14:36   some kind of death metal thing it's why [TS]

00:14:41   these not many of these buek rain can be [TS]

00:14:44   warm right most of these are cold [TS]

00:14:46   countries now you create well I mean [TS]

00:14:49   Ukraine but like the crane and Bulgaria [TS]

00:14:53   both Slavic countries so the Slavs could [TS]

00:14:56   easily that could just go down the river [TS]

00:14:57   type of thing you know what I mean he he [TS]

00:15:00   was a pretty warm country he brews a [TS]

00:15:02   warm country that's that's confusing but [TS]

00:15:04   they all they often go their own way and [TS]

00:15:06   then what was the other one Bhutan there [TS]

00:15:09   was one in the bengali bengali one of [TS]

00:15:12   these kids is not like the other Bengali [TS]

00:15:14   it's interesting that but that's got to [TS]

00:15:16   be just something within their culture [TS]

00:15:18   that they have a nick thinner on Nick's [TS]

00:15:20   Imran yeah well I just want to give you [TS]

00:15:26   something to think about this could be I [TS]

00:15:27   think this is a kind of thought and time [TS]

00:15:31   technology the idea of the Nick them Ron [TS]

00:15:33   could be very useful to me [TS]

00:15:34   well so this gets back to the other [TS]

00:15:37   question that I had for you and that [TS]

00:15:38   seems like seems like it falls into the [TS]

00:15:41   category of there's an app for that [TS]

00:15:43   okay solution making mmm I'm your boy [TS]

00:15:45   that's in mind that's in my portfolio [TS]

00:15:47   yeah but here's here's here's the deal [TS]

00:15:51   so I I am a time geographer hmm [TS]

00:15:57   right as we talk about historian but [TS]

00:16:03   historian is sort of two too broad and [TS]

00:16:06   and and and as be sort of like me is [TS]

00:16:11   meaningless are culturally co-opted by [TS]

00:16:14   everybody that for every by every guy [TS]

00:16:16   that reads Civil War magazine which [TS]

00:16:19   incidentally is an interesting magazine [TS]

00:16:21   someone it's called States it's it's a [TS]

00:16:26   Guns N'Roses fanzine okay knows Marvel [TS]

00:16:29   could be anything no it's uh it's a [TS]

00:16:32   magazine just like by and for old men [TS]

00:16:35   who want to sit and refight the battles [TS]

00:16:37   of the Civil War you know it also it's [TS]

00:16:39   kind of like a a best in helmand stuff [TS]

00:16:40   situation you know what it's called in [TS]

00:16:42   the South Between the States magazine [TS]

00:16:45   the city is at the river let's work this [TS]

00:16:48   out it's the War of Northern Aggression [TS]

00:16:50   [Laughter] [TS]

00:16:54   but so as a time geographer right I'm [TS]

00:16:57   always thinking about things in in terms [TS]

00:17:00   of a time geography how did this you [TS]

00:17:03   know what was happening simultaneous to [TS]

00:17:06   this moment why how did this fit into a [TS]

00:17:09   timeline of like a social timeline in [TS]

00:17:13   this area and then in this wider area [TS]

00:17:16   and in the wider area right like what's [TS]

00:17:19   happening what's happening in this [TS]

00:17:22   period that is affecting it that we're [TS]

00:17:24   not examining because we're focused on [TS]

00:17:27   the history of this time so you can't [TS]

00:17:30   you can't have a history of Germany [TS]

00:17:34   without having the time geography you [TS]

00:17:37   gotta see which Germany and how Germany [TS]

00:17:40   which Germany how Germany but what that [TS]

00:17:42   fukk you know what's happening in [TS]

00:17:43   Germany is not independent of what's [TS]

00:17:45   what France is doing at any moment in [TS]

00:17:48   its [TS]

00:17:48   three and what's what France is doing is [TS]

00:17:50   is do you know is is it's responding to [TS]

00:17:54   what is happening socially in Paris at [TS]

00:17:56   that time and what's happening socially [TS]

00:17:59   in Paris at that time is is reaction [TS]

00:18:02   reacting to what's happening in London [TS]

00:18:04   at that time and so to not be able to to [TS]

00:18:08   bring to bear kind of geographical [TS]

00:18:11   knowledge of time but both like side to [TS]

00:18:15   side like that but also also the depth [TS]

00:18:18   of it right like what happened in 1740 [TS]

00:18:20   is determined by what happened in 1710 [TS]

00:18:24   and determines what happened in 1780 and [TS]

00:18:28   so you know and so I'm always trying to [TS]

00:18:29   construct things in my mental [TS]

00:18:32   imagination but within four dimensions [TS]

00:18:36   yes the fourth dimension is geography [TS]

00:18:39   the fourth dimension time geography I [TS]

00:18:44   think the fourth dimension is bust size [TS]

00:18:46   the fifth bus the fourth dimension is [TS]

00:18:48   bus size the fifth dimension is love the [TS]

00:18:51   fifth dimension is hot-air balloon [TS]

00:18:58   that's right away air Marilyn McCoo and [TS]

00:19:02   Billy Davis jr. were in that ban what [TS]

00:19:05   Marilyn McCoo you know when they hosted [TS]

00:19:07   solid-gold she was on solid gold they [TS]

00:19:09   got their start Marilyn McCoo and Billy [TS]

00:19:11   Davis jr. if memory serves got their [TS]

00:19:12   start in the fifth dimension they were [TS]

00:19:14   in the fifth I need to look that up [TS]

00:19:15   because now I feel bad that's wrong when [TS]

00:19:17   I was a kid I studied the the LP cover [TS]

00:19:20   of up up and away [TS]

00:19:22   studied it over and over because they [TS]

00:19:24   were writing in the bath dick the hot [TS]

00:19:27   air balloon song I loved that when I was [TS]

00:19:34   a kid well and all those harmonies uh-uh [TS]

00:19:37   is this Jimmy Webb songs oh my god but [TS]

00:19:41   so my question for you the reason my [TS]

00:19:43   calendar is fucked up oh yeah sorry is [TS]

00:19:46   that at a certain point I started using [TS]

00:19:48   my calendar as a tool of time geography [TS]

00:19:51   esting there's also a you know there's [TS]

00:19:55   also a personal time geography and so [TS]

00:19:58   important dates that I needed to that I [TS]

00:20:01   needed to cattle [TS]

00:20:02   and remember in relation to other dates [TS]

00:20:04   I would go into the to the calendar and [TS]

00:20:07   go back in time scroll Scroll scroll [TS]

00:20:10   Scroll scroll Scroll and make calendar [TS]

00:20:13   entries in this Apple calendar back [TS]

00:20:19   belong before I started using it or [TS]

00:20:22   before the you know like back in time [TS]

00:20:26   and I filled it up and I didn't very [TS]

00:20:29   effectively use the little I tried to [TS]

00:20:32   use the little colors like everything in [TS]

00:20:35   yellow is something that happened to the [TS]

00:20:38   Marx Brothers okay you know like [TS]

00:20:41   everything in green is what you know is [TS]

00:20:44   what is on a timeline relating different [TS]

00:20:47   guitar companies to one another and now [TS]

00:20:51   I have like 50 calendars 48 of them are [TS]

00:20:57   all things that are time geography [TS]

00:21:01   calendars that I never I never look at [TS]

00:21:05   or I don't smoke them and I can't really [TS]

00:21:10   easily access all that data that I [TS]

00:21:12   mistakenly put into this back when I [TS]

00:21:14   couldn't think of a better option mm-hmm [TS]

00:21:17   and so I have all this stuff back there [TS]

00:21:20   I don't know how to get it out and if I [TS]

00:21:22   did get it out I wouldn't know where to [TS]

00:21:24   put it [TS]

00:21:24   mm-hmm where it's a special tool that's [TS]

00:21:28   not I'm not trying to make any meetings [TS]

00:21:30   in it for next week I'm trying to look [TS]

00:21:33   at the spread of history in a calendar [TS]

00:21:36   hmm [TS]

00:21:37   but that's like a like you can't you [TS]

00:21:41   need you're right you need a different [TS]

00:21:42   app you need a time geography app yeah [TS]

00:21:45   that can combine the historical the [TS]

00:21:48   public the private let's be honest the [TS]

00:21:50   notional you're gonna merlion on there [TS]

00:21:52   somewhere you're going to know about the [TS]

00:21:55   you know the making of the ants and [TS]

00:21:56   whatnot right make it dance right see [TS]

00:21:58   all that stuff on a continuum and then [TS]

00:22:00   like a really kind of a Minority Report [TS]

00:22:01   like you wave your hands around you say [TS]

00:22:04   okay you know move aside the Gandalf's [TS]

00:22:07   and let me just see the Germans let's [TS]

00:22:10   get the Gandalf sad I want to see the [TS]

00:22:11   Germans you've seen that that famous [TS]

00:22:13   graphic because it comes to me [TS]

00:22:16   in the mail every year yeah the one [TS]

00:22:19   about Napoleon's invasion of Russia [TS]

00:22:21   probably the world's if not the first [TS]

00:22:24   probably not the first but probably the [TS]

00:22:25   most famous infographic in our age made [TS]

00:22:28   famous by the Tufte books brilliant it's [TS]

00:22:31   a brilliant way to illustrate several [TS]

00:22:34   complex axes of information yeah an [TS]

00:22:37   infographic right and and that's an [TS]

00:22:40   example of a the visualization of time [TS]

00:22:44   distance sighs right altogether and what [TS]

00:22:50   I want is the ability to do that also [TS]

00:22:53   sort of three dimensionally within both [TS]

00:22:58   physical space and also notional space [TS]

00:23:02   there's a lot to this because I have to [TS]

00:23:05   tell you it wasn't until you described [TS]

00:23:07   it this way that I realized I want this [TS]

00:23:08   and so very much more because what I [TS]

00:23:14   what I was yeah what I would like is [TS]

00:23:17   certainly the ability to see things like [TS]

00:23:20   where was i living [TS]

00:23:21   when this album came out yes okay [TS]

00:23:25   exactly okay if it's been this many [TS]

00:23:27   years since ghostin machine came out [TS]

00:23:30   what album came out that many years [TS]

00:23:32   earlier than ghost in the machine [TS]

00:23:34   without me having to go look it up I [TS]

00:23:36   want to be able to spin my finger like [TS]

00:23:38   it's a dial phone and have it just pop [TS]

00:23:40   right up but you know what else I want I [TS]

00:23:42   want to go way deeper I want to know I [TS]

00:23:43   just changed the batteries and a whole [TS]

00:23:45   bunch of things in my house and I want [TS]

00:23:47   to be able to see how long my batteries [TS]

00:23:48   last without it getting in the way of my [TS]

00:23:51   roderick on the line recording I need [TS]

00:23:53   depth I don't even know how John I don't [TS]

00:23:55   know how many dimensions I'm gonna need [TS]

00:23:56   but I want to be able to look at ants [TS]

00:23:58   and triple-a batteries and see it all on [TS]

00:24:00   the same continuum as Ukraine yes right [TS]

00:24:04   and we've talked before about how in our [TS]

00:24:06   mind in our minds by which I may be [TS]

00:24:10   referring to my mind a group mind the [TS]

00:24:13   the geography of a year takes on a [TS]

00:24:16   certain shape right it turns right into [TS]

00:24:17   it percent and then it zips along and [TS]

00:24:20   then a double double double double and [TS]

00:24:21   then it goes a little veer and you know [TS]

00:24:23   and it all ends up looping but it's also [TS]

00:24:26   not a loop it's a spiral right because [TS]

00:24:28   don't end where you started you end at [TS]

00:24:29   the beginning of the next year otherwise [TS]

00:24:31   you'd be repeating the same year any kid [TS]

00:24:32   will tell you that exactly and what do [TS]

00:24:34   you do is it spiraling up isn't [TS]

00:24:35   spiraling down is it a spirochete is it [TS]

00:24:38   a spin as a spirogyra and so it's also [TS]

00:24:43   spire it's not just spiraling it's not [TS]

00:24:45   spiraling down it's spiraling forward [TS]

00:24:47   and so how do you incorporate that like [TS]

00:24:50   how do you also know what happened every [TS]

00:24:54   July 3rd imagine if you could take the [TS]

00:24:56   shape of the year which I think some of [TS]

00:24:58   our listeners have been kind enough to [TS]

00:24:59   draw they've done a wonderful great [TS]

00:25:00   effect [TS]

00:25:01   I don't just go listen to all the shows [TS]

00:25:03   before but we talked about this that a [TS]

00:25:05   year has a shape to it and John [TS]

00:25:07   described it and I think I mostly agree [TS]

00:25:08   but imagine if you had the actual shape [TS]

00:25:11   of your actual year and it could pull up [TS]

00:25:13   all of your data from all your devices [TS]

00:25:15   from from from your dingus to your phone [TS]

00:25:17   it pulls up all of that information and [TS]

00:25:19   now guess what you get an overlay you [TS]

00:25:21   can see an overlay of like the raw data [TS]

00:25:25   curve over your curve but you could [TS]

00:25:27   right so see it like if okay so tell me [TS]

00:25:30   where I run into problems right tell me [TS]

00:25:31   where I run out of gas yes tell me tell [TS]

00:25:35   me why it is I keep thinking of uh you [TS]

00:25:37   know I believe in miracles you sexy [TS]

00:25:39   thing what does that keep coming up but [TS]

00:25:41   also the Ukraine and ends you need a way [TS]

00:25:43   to have all of that and the police let's [TS]

00:25:44   be honest but you need a way to have all [TS]

00:25:46   that but you don't want it to be so busy [TS]

00:25:48   that you can't do a Tom Cruise gesture [TS]

00:25:50   with your hands like this like you're [TS]

00:25:51   like you're like you're a gynecologist [TS]

00:25:52   you part them like curtains [TS]

00:25:54   just show me Roderick on the line 9:00 [TS]

00:25:57   a.m. Monday I was reading a thing the [TS]

00:25:59   other day that said oh the television [TS]

00:26:01   debut of the film mash happened on [TS]

00:26:05   September 13 1974 and I said that's my [TS]

00:26:11   sixth birthday get out on my sixth [TS]

00:26:15   birthday that film mash debuted on [TS]

00:26:18   television now that is absolutely [TS]

00:26:21   useless to me because at six years old I [TS]

00:26:25   was not conscious of the of mash [TS]

00:26:27   debuting on TV but what the fuck was I [TS]

00:26:31   doing on my sixth birthday now I have to [TS]

00:26:33   go dig through my files I want to put [TS]

00:26:36   that in context I want to say wait a man [TS]

00:26:38   what was happening what was happening in [TS]

00:26:40   Watergate [TS]

00:26:41   September 13th nineteen it may be 90 [TS]

00:26:45   degrees you go way deep you could say [TS]

00:26:47   okay give me more in September 13th [TS]

00:26:49   oh yeah 1985 Super Mario Brothers [TS]

00:26:51   released in Japan for the NES obviously [TS]

00:26:54   I wouldn't know about that [TS]

00:26:54   interesting Mao Zedong's 1971 matzo dunk [TS]

00:26:57   second in command and successor lianbao [TS]

00:26:59   flees the People's Republic of China yes [TS]

00:27:01   you want that but zip zap zip zap you do [TS]

00:27:05   a little zip yeah right and now we're [TS]

00:27:08   now we're just looking at 1974 but then [TS]

00:27:10   also give me what happened give me the [TS]

00:27:11   time geography of that date in 1974 what [TS]

00:27:14   happened before that right right what's [TS]

00:27:17   leading up you know what happened give [TS]

00:27:19   me the I want to read the reviews the [TS]

00:27:21   following morning in the newspaper of [TS]

00:27:23   the television edit of the debut of mash [TS]

00:27:26   because they must have taken a lot of [TS]

00:27:28   stuff out but Hot Lips hot lips in the [TS]

00:27:31   shower phoned and well they had to take [TS]

00:27:33   that out band to take all day I wonder [TS]

00:27:35   how much of the racism they took out who [TS]

00:27:37   knows a lot of racism and just kind of [TS]

00:27:39   casual sexual assault yeah so much [TS]

00:27:42   sexual still is up there on all that you [TS]

00:27:51   know usually on a Wikipedia page I I'll [TS]

00:27:54   read the head headers and then I like to [TS]

00:27:57   scroll down to the bottom and find the [TS]

00:28:00   controversy section where you know it [TS]

00:28:03   turns out because because you don't want [TS]

00:28:04   to read a thing you don't want to get [TS]

00:28:06   like 15 pages into a Wikipedia thing and [TS]

00:28:08   then at the end there's like and all of [TS]

00:28:11   his theories were discredited when it [TS]

00:28:12   turned out that it was all a scheme you [TS]

00:28:14   know was all a Ponzi scheme to like to [TS]

00:28:17   to you know sell children into slavery [TS]

00:28:20   or whatever you're like ah come on put [TS]

00:28:22   that at the top so and I like to go down [TS]

00:28:25   see how many divorces people have had [TS]

00:28:27   you know it's important it it's it's all [TS]

00:28:30   context and I go down in the in the mash [TS]

00:28:33   the mash movie thing and it's just [TS]

00:28:36   laudatory the whole way down there's no [TS]

00:28:38   there's no thing at the bottom like [TS]

00:28:40   critical reappraisal of the movie mash [TS]

00:28:42   and I didn't want to go to a third [TS]

00:28:45   source so never go with a hippie to a [TS]

00:28:47   third source that's right so I decided [TS]

00:28:49   that I just would take the popular [TS]

00:28:51   opinion and just say oh that's one of [TS]

00:28:53   the 200 great American [TS]

00:28:54   Film Institute films of the film but but [TS]

00:29:00   my birthday every year is an important [TS]

00:29:05   it's an important flag planted in the [TS]

00:29:07   sand because you're one year older than [TS]

00:29:09   Tyler Perry exactly well and I think [TS]

00:29:11   Will Smith was born the same right [TS]

00:29:15   around the same time as me I think we [TS]

00:29:17   are almost exactly it's not the same day [TS]

00:29:19   where you go for that [TS]

00:29:20   right well sure what was he doing he was [TS]

00:29:22   in he was in South Philadelphia born and [TS]

00:29:24   raised to sportsmen were born on your [TS]

00:29:26   birthday I saw someone called Brad Brad [TS]

00:29:28   Johnson there's an American football [TS]

00:29:31   player great ball ball thrower or cat [TS]

00:29:33   room and someone called Bernie Williams [TS]

00:29:35   who is a Puerto Rican American baseball [TS]

00:29:38   player and guitarist Bernie Williams I [TS]

00:29:41   think I know Bernie Williams okay not [TS]

00:29:43   personally but hmm but so you know when [TS]

00:29:45   your birthday is and the problem with my [TS]

00:29:48   birthday being in September I guess [TS]

00:29:49   other people's birthdays are like this [TS]

00:29:51   too but September you know there's a [TS]

00:29:53   hard right turn in September in the year [TS]

00:29:55   in geography yeah yeah so you're kind of [TS]

00:29:58   standing there at a street corner right [TS]

00:30:00   you're like my birthday my whole life [TS]

00:30:03   has been a sort of Waiting for Godot [TS]

00:30:05   park bench hmm you're watching the year [TS]

00:30:08   turn school starts it's autumn it's a [TS]

00:30:11   nice time but but also it's the 13th so [TS]

00:30:18   school has already started you know it's [TS]

00:30:21   sort of like in that place of like [TS]

00:30:23   that's not it's not close enough to [TS]

00:30:25   Halloween to feel like it's Halloween II [TS]

00:30:28   it's not summer anymore even though it's [TS]

00:30:30   sometimes warm so anyway there's this [TS]

00:30:33   flag planted there in September that I [TS]

00:30:35   can say like but I always this is [TS]

00:30:39   another problem I always have to count [TS]

00:30:41   it's always like Oh was I [TS]

00:30:43   five or six like what year is it again [TS]

00:30:44   train of thought the whole reason that [TS]

00:30:47   you're really there it's gonna get lost [TS]

00:30:50   because now you're having to do a bunch [TS]

00:30:52   of maths was I mrs. Crist's class was is [TS]

00:30:55   Lankford's class still apart [TS]

00:30:58   it's Wincy this one miss we'll see about [TS]

00:31:03   mrs. Philip art that was a good one it [TS]

00:31:05   sounds like it sounds more like a [TS]

00:31:07   command [TS]

00:31:08   mmm she looked like a piper cephalic [TS]

00:31:10   penguin hmm I'm with you go see what [TS]

00:31:13   this is what there's got to be an app [TS]

00:31:14   for this or a series of do you know what [TS]

00:31:16   there's got to be a platform for this [TS]

00:31:18   why has no one made this it does feel [TS]

00:31:20   like a Minority Report style a like big [TS]

00:31:25   wall of stuff that you do it ballet [TS]

00:31:27   dance in front of it yes your data flows [TS]

00:31:30   around you mm-hmm I don't want that but [TS]

00:31:33   I do want this I'm sure a birthday not [TS]

00:31:37   birthdate [TS]

00:31:38   I share a birthday with I thought it was [TS]

00:31:41   McLean Stevenson but now I don't see him [TS]

00:31:43   rich little the Impressionists oh he was [TS]

00:31:46   amazing he's a great Tina Turner um [TS]

00:31:50   Bruce Paltrow pretty cool that's what [TS]

00:31:54   I'm about roast and that's right that's [TS]

00:31:56   right you know I thought there was more [TS]

00:31:58   interesting people Oh an American porn [TS]

00:32:01   actress called honey Wilder honey why [TS]

00:32:03   are you Wilders her birth name let's [TS]

00:32:06   find out here's now I'm going to look at [TS]

00:32:09   this and I'm gonna get lost [TS]

00:32:10   yeah down the porn star real name hole [TS]

00:32:14   that should be yeah that should be in [TS]

00:32:17   the app did you ever have well okay so I [TS]

00:32:20   do here's what I want to put in the app [TS]

00:32:22   where we were living at the time yes [TS]

00:32:24   I've done this in Excel I have done this [TS]

00:32:26   in Excel yes right but but it it's [TS]

00:32:29   skewed like my mom was dating Bobby [TS]

00:32:33   between somewhere in 74 - somewhere in [TS]

00:32:38   77 I guess now I remember very [TS]

00:32:41   distinctly when she was dating Bobby but [TS]

00:32:43   not on a calendar because that was pre [TS]

00:32:45   when I was conscious of calendars I just [TS]

00:32:47   remember it amorphous ly yes but I want [TS]

00:32:50   to put all of the significant dates of [TS]

00:32:52   my mom dating Bobby in the early to mid [TS]

00:32:55   70s [TS]

00:32:55   you're probably remembering you're [TS]

00:32:57   probably remembering it by association [TS]

00:32:59   if you're able to remember this because [TS]

00:33:01   of that and that is something you very [TS]

00:33:03   much remember like you know the the [TS]

00:33:05   Watergate hearings or something so you [TS]

00:33:06   know that's yeah I did but you want [TS]

00:33:09   somebody to do that for you not somebody [TS]

00:33:11   you want some water tools you want a [TS]

00:33:14   tool yeah one time I was running down [TS]

00:33:17   the dock to run down to Bobby's boat [TS]

00:33:20   mm-hmm [TS]

00:33:21   and at some point I was crossing between [TS]

00:33:26   a dock and a boat and my wallet which [TS]

00:33:30   was a wallet with a horse on it hmm a [TS]

00:33:34   you know a leather worked wallet with a [TS]

00:33:37   with embossed horse yeah or yeah worked [TS]

00:33:41   horse cuz this was before things were in [TS]

00:33:43   boss somebody did this with a little [TS]

00:33:45   leather stamping - Wow yeah the wallet [TS]

00:33:49   had a zipper it was a zipper wallet with [TS]

00:33:52   a horse on it and it had I can only [TS]

00:33:55   imagine some very very important things [TS]

00:33:57   that a seven-year-old would carry in his [TS]

00:33:59   wallet the wallet slipped out of my [TS]

00:34:02   pants pocket and plopped into the water [TS]

00:34:04   Oh No and I stood and watched as my [TS]

00:34:08   horse wallet because the horse was also [TS]

00:34:11   painted white the head of the horse was [TS]

00:34:13   painted white watched as it slowly sank [TS]

00:34:17   into the deep and it was very hard to [TS]

00:34:22   console me in moments like that you [TS]

00:34:26   loved the objects in your life they have [TS]

00:34:28   they have valence yes right and I'm you [TS]

00:34:32   know I'm not a baller I don't I don't [TS]

00:34:34   outwardly about my weight the W yeah [TS]

00:34:38   right I am a baller without a W in [TS]

00:34:42   Boston yeah but uh you're trying not I [TS]

00:34:45   don't sit and and and rend my hair I [TS]

00:34:48   don't you late mm-hmm I just sit there [TS]

00:34:52   and you know and I plummet I slowly sink [TS]

00:34:56   into the ocean with the wallet right and [TS]

00:34:58   I'm a little little party you went down [TS]

00:34:59   with that white horse I have remembered [TS]

00:35:01   that wallet on that white horse my whole [TS]

00:35:03   life and in fact in the 90s I wrote a [TS]

00:35:05   song about it from my band at the time [TS]

00:35:07   the bun family players cousin teaspoon [TS]

00:35:09   no that came later teaspoon is about a [TS]

00:35:12   teaspoon but also about a girl does [TS]

00:35:14   about other throws I mean something [TS]

00:35:16   different every time so I want to know [TS]

00:35:21   when you know in the real world when on [TS]

00:35:25   a calendar timeline did that happen when [TS]

00:35:28   were we out on that on that dock it had [TS]

00:35:31   my mom should be able to give me [TS]

00:35:33   information that would [TS]

00:35:34   allow me to at least put that had to [TS]

00:35:37   have been summertime you're not going to [TS]

00:35:38   go out on a boat you're not gonna lose [TS]

00:35:39   your horse Walt in the winter so one of [TS]

00:35:43   the summers one of the three summers [TS]

00:35:44   that she was dating Bobby is your horse [TS]

00:35:48   fall in the winter no that's like come [TS]

00:35:50   on don't know when to walk away no [TS]

00:35:53   winter and don't start a land war in [TS]

00:35:55   Russia and don't think I'm very cold and [TS]

00:35:58   he had extracurricular activities that's [TS]

00:36:00   why you couldn't go so I want that I [TS]

00:36:04   want that for some reason and but but [TS]

00:36:07   you know my mom didn't start and end [TS]

00:36:09   dating Bobby on a calendar and you know [TS]

00:36:14   what what grade was I in and I had the [TS]

00:36:17   things I have photographs and I would [TS]

00:36:18   like to put those photographs into this [TS]

00:36:21   tool and you slow the app you have will [TS]

00:36:23   say like oh this is the date you put it [TS]

00:36:25   on your computer here's the thing it [TS]

00:36:30   would be nice to get granular down to [TS]

00:36:31   the minute I would love it if it was [TS]

00:36:33   very much granular to the hour or the [TS]

00:36:34   day but you know what for the first cut [TS]

00:36:36   at this platform I would be okay if you [TS]

00:36:38   could just put everything that happened [TS]

00:36:39   in all of history including my life [TS]

00:36:41   within a given month that's a start a [TS]

00:36:43   month you know what give me a month with [TS]

00:36:44   heat maps give me a heat map month so I [TS]

00:36:47   can see like oh this is this pulsing [TS]

00:36:49   period around the time more or less than [TS]

00:36:52   mom and Bobby broke up and a lot and I [TS]

00:36:53   lost my horse wallet yes right right I [TS]

00:36:56   mean I don't just agree you know I'm [TS]

00:36:59   saying right like a view it's gonna take [TS]

00:37:01   a while to get all this perfect you were [TS]

00:37:02   probably going to have new metadata on [TS]

00:37:04   life gonna go forward basis but based on [TS]

00:37:07   what we've got historically and [TS]

00:37:08   geographically you know and really let's [TS]

00:37:10   be honest geologically let's put all of [TS]

00:37:12   that into the mainframe and see what we [TS]

00:37:14   can push out because I already have this [TS]

00:37:18   data I have attempted to put this data [TS]

00:37:20   into the Mac calendar into some kind of [TS]

00:37:26   there's a Google the Google Maps has a [TS]

00:37:32   has a feature where you can sort of plan [TS]

00:37:35   trips because they build these things [TS]

00:37:37   and they're like this is gonna be a tool [TS]

00:37:39   for people to plan trips and I'm like I [TS]

00:37:41   don't want to plan any trip I want to [TS]

00:37:43   document past trips in a [TS]

00:37:48   in space right I want to I want to draw [TS]

00:37:50   them out but I also want to put other [TS]

00:37:52   information in their right to describe [TS]

00:37:55   what has already happened and and a lot [TS]

00:38:00   of these programs you put something in [TS]

00:38:02   and if it's not if the program itself [TS]

00:38:04   doesn't have some reason to alert you to [TS]

00:38:07   some upcoming thing it just has no it [TS]

00:38:12   just sort of becomes a crinkly dry dead [TS]

00:38:15   leaf on your computer where you're like [TS]

00:38:16   oh that's right just didn't I put [TS]

00:38:19   something in that once it's not she you [TS]

00:38:21   don't want to see like however long it [TS]

00:38:23   was like three months it's just a big [TS]

00:38:25   long banner that says Europe right right [TS]

00:38:28   right that's exactly right that's the [TS]

00:38:31   worst kind of time geography and that's [TS]

00:38:36   what I have right now and I have that in [TS]

00:38:37   six different platforms and and you know [TS]

00:38:40   my mom still remembers right like if I [TS]

00:38:42   had if I had been able to really put [TS]

00:38:45   pull this data when my dad was still [TS]

00:38:48   alive I could go in with this [TS]

00:38:50   architecture and I would say fill in [TS]

00:38:51   some gaps here for me when was it [TS]

00:38:54   exactly that you put wrapped your Jaguar [TS]

00:38:57   around a tree mm-hm [TS]

00:38:59   and my dad would say oh I don't know 49 [TS]

00:39:02   and I would say well it could have been [TS]

00:39:04   49 dad because he'd you didn't buy there [TS]

00:39:08   weren't any trees in 49 they all started [TS]

00:39:10   growing in the early 50s [TS]

00:39:11   oh right right uh 59 well dad can you [TS]

00:39:17   really not tell that it was between 49 [TS]

00:39:18   and 59 like that's a that's a long scope [TS]

00:39:21   he's like alright god damn it it was [TS]

00:39:24   June of 56 I remember it like it was [TS]

00:39:27   yesterday and then I would go oh alright [TS]

00:39:30   so that now there's something weird [TS]

00:39:31   about how why he doesn't want to tell me [TS]

00:39:33   when this happened and meanwhile I'm [TS]

00:39:35   putting this information in he's gonna [TS]

00:39:37   lab a witness and now I can't now I got [TS]

00:39:39   nothing like I asked my uncle Jack [TS]

00:39:41   questions and uncle Jack's go-to answer [TS]

00:39:44   and it's always been uncle jack says I [TS]

00:39:47   don't remember and I don't know whether [TS]

00:39:51   Uncle Jack remembers or not [TS]

00:39:53   he just says he doesn't remember and I [TS]

00:39:55   and I say Uncle Jack somebody's got to [TS]

00:39:57   remember you're the only one that was [TS]

00:39:58   there you're the last of the mohicans [TS]

00:40:00   and he says he [TS]

00:40:01   I just I don't remember and it's like as [TS]

00:40:05   a time geographer I'm standing there [TS]

00:40:07   with my with my quill pen and my [TS]

00:40:10   parchment ready to put this down yep and [TS]

00:40:13   it's like Uncle Jack [TS]

00:40:14   I remember better than that like I can [TS]

00:40:17   at least give you the following [TS]

00:40:18   framework but my mom is still around she [TS]

00:40:22   still is cute and I can say to her I can [TS]

00:40:26   sit with her and work this stuff out and [TS]

00:40:29   you know a lot of the a lot of the data [TS]

00:40:32   we have about our family is the result [TS]

00:40:34   of her grandmother doing genealogical [TS]

00:40:38   research at a time when you had to write [TS]

00:40:40   letters to the county purser of the [TS]

00:40:45   neighboring County and that person would [TS]

00:40:47   send you back some papers and you'd go [TS]

00:40:50   to graveyards and wander around looking [TS]

00:40:52   for headstones that had recognizable [TS]

00:40:54   names and my mom's grandmother wrote a [TS]

00:40:57   bunch of stuff in the back of the family [TS]

00:40:59   by the antenna and that family Bible [TS]

00:41:02   became the jumping-off point for a whole [TS]

00:41:06   historic is history ography of our clam [TS]

00:41:10   on that side thank God for it and now I [TS]

00:41:15   want that in in six dimensions on my [TS]

00:41:19   phone is that so much to ask I don't I [TS]

00:41:22   don't I don't think it is [TS]

00:41:23   you got you got more than adequate [TS]

00:41:24   firepower on there it's just it's a [TS]

00:41:26   question of will right and it's a [TS]

00:41:29   question of somebody being willing to [TS]

00:41:31   design this or or pull together five [TS]

00:41:35   programs that already exist under an [TS]

00:41:37   umbrella of a you know six the design a [TS]

00:41:42   sixth element if you will like here's [TS]

00:41:45   another question Merlin this is an [TS]

00:41:46   interesting tech question is there a [TS]

00:41:48   word for a pro computer program or an [TS]

00:41:54   app which just is populated by other [TS]

00:41:58   apps and that it's an over a pan Ober [TS]

00:42:01   app that just takes the skill sets of [TS]

00:42:05   five different apps that are all trying [TS]

00:42:07   to do something that are all trying to [TS]

00:42:09   make commerce because that's what apps [TS]

00:42:10   are trying to do they're out there [TS]

00:42:12   trying to make commerce like this one [TS]

00:42:13   we'll get pizza delivered to your house [TS]

00:42:15   in two minutes and this one over here is [TS]

00:42:17   telling you you know the temperature in [TS]

00:42:19   Jakarta and this uber app takes those [TS]

00:42:22   five apps unbeknownst to them and [TS]

00:42:26   combines them into an actual resource [TS]

00:42:30   that is like doing some deeper thing is [TS]

00:42:34   that a thing [TS]

00:42:35   absolutely well think about this think [TS]

00:42:38   about whatever app you use for your [TS]

00:42:41   calendar really what you've got is some [TS]

00:42:45   kind of uh you've signed in somewhere [TS]

00:42:47   and it's pulling in that your same set [TS]

00:42:50   of data from iCloud or Google Calendar [TS]

00:42:53   or whatever you use it pulls that in and [TS]

00:42:56   then there's you know features as to how [TS]

00:42:58   it's displayed and what kinds of [TS]

00:43:00   reminders you get but that raw [TS]

00:43:02   information exists as a as a feed right [TS]

00:43:05   yeah I think about stuff like with my I [TS]

00:43:07   do lots of stuff with um what would you [TS]

00:43:10   can see Word is like what do they call [TS]

00:43:12   it self quantification or but basically [TS]

00:43:15   like I can track my sleep I'm tracking [TS]

00:43:16   my steps I'm tracking my weight and [TS]

00:43:18   there are apps varieties of different [TS]

00:43:20   apps that will on the one hand there are [TS]

00:43:22   apps that will track that stuff like [TS]

00:43:24   like this thing is saying how many steps [TS]

00:43:26   I got and then this other app can pull [TS]

00:43:28   that information in through an API and [TS]

00:43:30   then now I get that in all these [TS]

00:43:32   different places so yeah I mean there's [TS]

00:43:34   no reason this can't exist there's [TS]

00:43:35   probably some half-finished open-source [TS]

00:43:38   version of this I think we need to get [TS]

00:43:39   you on Syracuse on this they're gonna [TS]

00:43:41   need a database structure for this that [TS]

00:43:43   is very very sound and scalable because [TS]

00:43:45   we need to think about the time [TS]

00:43:46   geography that we don't know about yet [TS]

00:43:48   right that's what people always plan for [TS]

00:43:50   what we know how do we plan how would [TS]

00:43:53   you even know you start planning for the [TS]

00:43:55   future yes you plan for the future you [TS]

00:44:00   know you go to war with the army you [TS]

00:44:02   don't have no you go you go to war with [TS]

00:44:05   the ugh with the army you can't predict [TS]

00:44:07   what exists right you haven't even [TS]

00:44:09   imagined the army you're gonna go come [TS]

00:44:11   back on the Terra Cotta man we don't [TS]

00:44:12   know there is almost no thing that [TS]

00:44:16   happens or happened or will happen that [TS]

00:44:19   I won't at some point or another wanna [TS]

00:44:21   see in a calendar get all the metadata [TS]

00:44:24   fixed up for all of that stuff when you [TS]

00:44:27   look at your [TS]

00:44:28   many steps did you take today bracelet [TS]

00:44:30   yeah and you look at that when you pull [TS]

00:44:33   it up on your on your phone or computer [TS]

00:44:36   yes you I am assuming thrill to see it [TS]

00:44:42   in time right you want to see like how I [TS]

00:44:46   can be I can be walking and like as I'm [TS]

00:44:50   taking steps I can see the step count [TS]

00:44:53   going up on the on on the dingus but yes [TS]

00:44:55   also on my phone but you want to see [TS]

00:44:57   like how many steps did I take this week [TS]

00:44:59   how does that compare to the week before [TS]

00:45:00   the this week last year yes like [TS]

00:45:03   everything you want to populate like you [TS]

00:45:05   because you want to see it that way you [TS]

00:45:06   want to see it that all I see it all and [TS]

00:45:08   it matters and then you're like why did [TS]

00:45:10   I why did I walk so much in June of last [TS]

00:45:13   year [TS]

00:45:13   Oh June of last year I bought a rabbit [TS]

00:45:16   and I was chasing the rabbit all the [TS]

00:45:18   time that explains that does that now [TS]

00:45:22   where it tries to draw conclusions and [TS]

00:45:24   says things like you walk more when it's [TS]

00:45:26   sunny out or you sleep more when it's [TS]

00:45:28   this time of year and stuff like that [TS]

00:45:30   that goes I'm already like on this Grail [TS]

00:45:32   quest believe me I am there with you I [TS]

00:45:34   like I like that you walk more when it's [TS]

00:45:37   sunny outside thank you computer [TS]

00:45:39   yeah well some of them are pretty bad I [TS]

00:45:41   mean some of the some of the conclusions [TS]

00:45:42   it's trying a little too hard but it'll [TS]

00:45:44   be like you know you weigh more when [TS]

00:45:47   you're in Washington DC and it's like [TS]

00:45:49   well I was just there one time like wow [TS]

00:45:53   [Laughter] [TS]

00:45:56   it looks like you're trying to write a [TS]

00:45:58   letter do you need help [TS]

00:46:02   this is already there there's missing [TS]

00:46:05   parts that we got two pieces into this [TS]

00:46:07   you got your data stuff over here and [TS]

00:46:09   your metadata stuff and then you've got [TS]

00:46:10   what the app does over here and they're [TS]

00:46:12   obviously both are partly there but most [TS]

00:46:14   of failing if I want to see when [TS]

00:46:16   Christmas happened every year way to do [TS]

00:46:21   that that data exists and I want to see [TS]

00:46:23   that on a calendar with exactly one [TS]

00:46:24   month based view that's not a problem [TS]

00:46:26   so right there are always kids on the [TS]

00:46:28   Letterman Show they can tell you what [TS]

00:46:30   day of the week Christmas was at any any [TS]

00:46:32   year in history yeah wouldn't it be [TS]

00:46:34   handy really usually December 25th is [TS]

00:46:38   the rule of thumb yeah but is that next [TS]

00:46:40   Tuesday or [TS]

00:46:42   next year last year this year right I'm [TS]

00:46:46   getting really confused but no now the [TS]

00:46:49   problem is failing in both ways on the [TS]

00:46:52   one hand how you get all the ambient [TS]

00:46:53   data that I don't think I need to care [TS]

00:46:55   about over here normalized into a format [TS]

00:46:58   where then we've got the app over here [TS]

00:46:59   who can do stuff like make the heat maps [TS]

00:47:01   and say like oh you get sat around this [TS]

00:47:03   time of year because there's fewer [TS]

00:47:05   bicycle rentals like tell me things I [TS]

00:47:07   don't know show me mash in 1974 I think [TS]

00:47:10   we need boat 2 fonts here sure and then [TS]

00:47:13   this guy over here yeah right [TS]

00:47:14   you got the stock to Arab what what's [TS]

00:47:17   confusing to me now is that I also need [TS]

00:47:21   some kind of measurement of my judgment [TS]

00:47:27   oh boy [TS]

00:47:28   because it's very hard within oneself I [TS]

00:47:32   have found and have been studying [TS]

00:47:35   recently to not see your judgement along [TS]

00:47:38   somewhat of a constant line because you [TS]

00:47:42   feel that there's constancy in your [TS]

00:47:44   existence right I don't want to get to [TS]

00:47:48   Kierkegaard but no no I think I think [TS]

00:47:50   you're there this is this is this is the [TS]

00:47:52   kind of arrogance and self-absorption [TS]

00:47:54   that got us to where we are in yeah in [TS]

00:47:56   the world today I think what there is [TS]

00:47:58   this one self that is going this is why [TS]

00:48:00   this is how we beat the Neanderthals so [TS]

00:48:06   but you know that you are not constant [TS]

00:48:09   and I know for a fact although I in many [TS]

00:48:13   many ways M constant my judgment is may [TS]

00:48:20   be measurably different mm-hmm [TS]

00:48:24   maybe not I get a lot of I get a lot of [TS]

00:48:29   evidence presented to me in story form [TS]

00:48:32   by other people in my life previously on [TS]

00:48:38   previously on John Roderick the [TS]

00:48:40   following seems to be true this was a [TS]

00:48:43   two-part episode [TS]

00:48:44   uh-huh and now and the thing is I am NOT [TS]

00:48:48   a person that is that you that you [TS]

00:48:52   cannot depend on their reality being [TS]

00:48:55   consistent right I'm not somebody that's [TS]

00:48:57   like well wait a minute yesterday you [TS]

00:48:58   said you said that you would never move [TS]

00:49:00   to Paris and today you're saying that [TS]

00:49:02   you're gonna move to Paris which is it [TS]

00:49:03   Lenny I'm not that that is not what [TS]

00:49:05   happens what what the anecdotal evidence [TS]

00:49:09   that is sometimes presented to me by [TS]

00:49:11   other people who are also unreliable and [TS]

00:49:13   have an interest in the outcome its [TS]

00:49:16   unreliability all the way down in all [TS]

00:49:18   humans all the time uh-huh [TS]

00:49:20   but you know I hear things like well [TS]

00:49:25   since you started treating your bipolar [TS]

00:49:29   condition with your medicine something [TS]

00:49:36   is different about X and I and and my [TS]

00:49:42   initial reaction is this is one of those [TS]

00:49:45   situations where gives you person who is [TS]

00:49:49   sharing the senator anecdote with me has [TS]

00:49:51   looked at a photograph of Christmas in [TS]

00:49:54   1976 so many times that you think you [TS]

00:49:56   remember 1976 sure but what you're [TS]

00:49:59   remembering is the photograph like I am [TS]

00:50:03   I am not convinced that anyone else's [TS]

00:50:06   anecdote is any clearer is any more [TS]

00:50:10   clearly remembered than my own internal [TS]

00:50:14   memory of it but I'm listening to people [TS]

00:50:18   say this and I now would like some kind [TS]

00:50:21   of Fitbit of judgment where the machine [TS]

00:50:27   on the wrist is saying in September of [TS]

00:50:30   last year you probably would not have [TS]

00:50:34   had 14 coffees today and the September [TS]

00:50:40   the year before oh it's an intelligent [TS]

00:50:42   agent it's got its got like a soft soft [TS]

00:50:45   kind of like what do you call it like a [TS]

00:50:46   fuzzy logic to it you know this is more [TS]

00:50:49   likely than that it's a quantum computer [TS]

00:50:51   mm-hmm it's fuzzy action at a distance [TS]

00:50:54   yes mm-hmm and so what I what I need to [TS]

00:50:58   know is how different because I perceive [TS]

00:51:00   myself to be different than I was five [TS]

00:51:02   years ago [TS]

00:51:02   I perceive it in many many many many [TS]

00:51:04   ways but how different am I [TS]

00:51:09   from five years ago not just in how many [TS]

00:51:12   cups of coffee I typically drink but in [TS]

00:51:15   these other ways that are measurable [TS]

00:51:17   we're just not taking were just not [TS]

00:51:18   collecting that data we weren't five [TS]

00:51:21   years ago but now that we are collecting [TS]

00:51:23   all this data and it's mostly being used [TS]

00:51:26   to target us for Amazon Prime deals get [TS]

00:51:30   a new model I want access to that data [TS]

00:51:33   in order to measure my psychological [TS]

00:51:37   process my psychological progress [TS]

00:51:40   through a calendar progress and process [TS]

00:51:42   you should see those on different axes [TS]

00:51:43   and then you can make a Tom Cruise [TS]

00:51:44   motion but here's the problem is like [TS]

00:51:48   well I part of what you're describing is [TS]

00:51:49   like I don't even know if your [TS]

00:51:51   microscope is seeing the same microscope [TS]

00:51:53   that I'm seeing like what you know is [TS]

00:51:54   your read the same as mine it's white [TS]

00:51:56   how do we know we're not living in a [TS]

00:51:57   Giants thumbnail how would you even know [TS]

00:51:59   how would you know how would I trust how [TS]

00:52:02   can I trust your judgments about my [TS]

00:52:04   judgments [TS]

00:52:05   that's the tricky thing in human being [TS]

00:52:07   right what if you what have you made you [TS]

00:52:09   do that what if you make the encoding [TS]

00:52:10   error and not me [TS]

00:52:11   this happens all the time somebody says [TS]

00:52:13   you're them you're different and you say [TS]

00:52:15   I'm not different you're you're [TS]

00:52:18   remembering wrong or it's you that's [TS]

00:52:20   different you're a judgmental asshole [TS]

00:52:23   who offers opinions without the rest and [TS]

00:52:27   because there's no like because we don't [TS]

00:52:30   yet have drones shaped like mosquitoes [TS]

00:52:33   that are flying around recording [TS]

00:52:34   everything and are there for us to say [TS]

00:52:37   drone replay that conversation from 11 [TS]

00:52:40   minutes ago see see you did say it and [TS]

00:52:44   then the other person goes fake news and [TS]

00:52:47   then you're way back to the start [TS]

00:52:49   because their drone has snapchat filter [TS]

00:52:52   on it that makes everybody look like a [TS]

00:52:54   deer no it's super cute and then they [TS]

00:52:58   play back reality and they're like Dave [TS]

00:53:02   Instagram their memories and now [TS]

00:53:04   everything looks like it was shot in a [TS]

00:53:05   sewer in 1992 right right right [TS]

00:53:08   well this is the thing like I think [TS]

00:53:10   we've talked about before maybe this was [TS]

00:53:12   just something that maybe this is just [TS]

00:53:13   pillow talk that I've shared stuff with [TS]

00:53:15   lady friends but there will be obviously [TS]

00:53:18   a moment in the very near future where [TS]

00:53:22   as part of our of our ongoing sort of [TS]

00:53:26   cultural sense that your wreath at my [TS]

00:53:29   reality is equal to the your reality [TS]

00:53:32   then not then there is and it's not [TS]

00:53:36   important that anybody be pursuing an [TS]

00:53:38   actual reality lived experience lived [TS]

00:53:41   experience that it will it will turn out [TS]

00:53:43   that I wanted I am a deer in my reality [TS]

00:53:47   and I also expect you as my friend to [TS]

00:53:53   have me as a deer in your reality oh it [TS]

00:53:56   becomes like a second life type [TS]

00:53:58   situation or an avatar yeah it's an [TS]

00:54:00   identity thing where a deer and you are [TS]

00:54:02   the headlights you're in the magnet and [TS]

00:54:04   I am steal anything [TS]

00:54:05   and if you are a friend of mine or or a [TS]

00:54:09   respectful person you're going to have [TS]

00:54:13   me you're gonna see me as a deer in your [TS]

00:54:16   heads-up display I get it it's gonna be [TS]

00:54:19   but but but then somebody somebody else [TS]

00:54:21   goes oh no I don't see species that's [TS]

00:54:24   right [TS]

00:54:24   I refuse to see you as a deer lynnium I [TS]

00:54:27   don't see species or yeah right or or [TS]

00:54:30   yeah it's gonna be this kind of like I'm [TS]

00:54:32   a libertarian so I refuse to see people [TS]

00:54:35   other than as they actually appear in [TS]

00:54:38   corporeal space right they're always a [TS]

00:54:41   pug or they're always yeah we're right [TS]

00:54:43   right all right I refuse to see anybody [TS]

00:54:46   except colorized as a plastic GI Joe and [TS]

00:54:50   then over here there's gonna be a [TS]

00:54:52   culture of people that are like I always [TS]

00:54:54   when I accept a friend request from [TS]

00:54:57   someone as they are standing in front of [TS]

00:54:59   me and we're both looking at each other [TS]

00:55:00   in a are yes I'm always going to accept [TS]

00:55:03   their friend requests in the terms that [TS]

00:55:06   they are dictating which is like in my [TS]

00:55:08   in my AR world [TS]

00:55:11   right I have flowers pouring out of my [TS]

00:55:14   ears I get it okay and you have to maybe [TS]

00:55:16   you have to negotiate this a little bit [TS]

00:55:18   in a respectful way you meet somebody [TS]

00:55:20   who says you know whatever I don't care [TS]

00:55:21   you can draw a mustache on my avatar I [TS]

00:55:24   don't care another person says I am dear [TS]

00:55:26   I am always dear right that says I'm a [TS]

00:55:28   barely visible gas right and another [TS]

00:55:31   person is like a cosplay cool cat and [TS]

00:55:33   you have to respect that because that's [TS]

00:55:34   cosplay cool cat [TS]

00:55:35   well on you and you there's absolutely [TS]

00:55:36   gonna be a thing where you can set your [TS]

00:55:38   settings in your actual AR existence [TS]

00:55:41   where you're like I'm not gonna interact [TS]

00:55:42   with anybody you can't add me you can't [TS]

00:55:44   add me as deer right you could not [TS]

00:55:46   accept the deer request and then you [TS]

00:55:48   have to agree to apply these terms and [TS]

00:55:50   conditions I'll always be a deer right [TS]

00:55:52   and and I'm not gonna interact with [TS]

00:55:54   anybody in the world that doesn't [TS]

00:55:55   acknowledge me as a deer first and [TS]

00:55:57   foremost but then what do you do when [TS]

00:55:59   you walk into the fudge shop and you say [TS]

00:56:02   I'd like to order three pieces of fudge [TS]

00:56:04   and the person behind the cash register [TS]

00:56:06   refuses to see you as a deer oh I see [TS]

00:56:09   what you're saying it's like a wedding [TS]

00:56:09   cake type situation we're not gonna make [TS]

00:56:11   that I don't I don't I don't I don't [TS]

00:56:12   make fudge for deer and we write fudge [TS]

00:56:14   for furries but you're not gonna be able [TS]

00:56:16   to get a job places unless you get a [TS]

00:56:19   chip you got to get the fresh chip you [TS]

00:56:21   got to get a new chip and maybe [TS]

00:56:22   everybody there's a cartoon horse Percy [TS]

00:56:25   small right and the workhorse like a [TS]

00:56:27   white horse they're gonna be or a white [TS]

00:56:29   horse on a wallet mm-hmm and then their [TS]

00:56:39   communities of people up in Montana who [TS]

00:56:42   are ORS in there AR goggles are holding [TS]

00:56:46   each other as green army men because [TS]

00:56:48   that's that's you know they're people [TS]

00:56:50   are gonna then be selecting communities [TS]

00:56:52   based on how to what degree you accept [TS]

00:56:55   another person's reality as as your [TS]

00:56:59   reality when it's in when you're [TS]

00:57:00   interacting with them and if you were [TS]

00:57:02   for example as a family a clan as a [TS]

00:57:04   group you were to go and take over a [TS]

00:57:06   virtual national park in Oregon you [TS]

00:57:11   could you could and probably should [TS]

00:57:12   dictate the terms of the avatar if [TS]

00:57:14   you're gonna show this on Facebook live [TS]

00:57:16   you have to show me as the avatar that I [TS]

00:57:18   that I am in virtual virtual Oregon [TS]

00:57:20   right that's the thing to do there are [TS]

00:57:24   gonna be people whose lives are [TS]

00:57:25   amazingly rich in the sense that they [TS]

00:57:27   accept everyone's identity as that [TS]

00:57:30   person prefers so they're gonna be [TS]

00:57:31   walking down the street and here's gonna [TS]

00:57:33   be a name orphis gasps and here's gonna [TS]

00:57:35   be still a submarine right I mean it's [TS]

00:57:37   gonna be whatever somebody offers up you [TS]

00:57:39   just you just take it like if somebody [TS]

00:57:40   says I am a 16-foot tall anvil with tiny [TS]

00:57:45   little feet that's gonna be who you're [TS]

00:57:47   dealing with [TS]

00:57:48   right it's gonna be you're gonna be [TS]

00:57:50   living in comic-con all the time what [TS]

00:57:53   sells pretty great and actually I wonder [TS]

00:57:55   if I'm always trying to think like I [TS]

00:57:57   don't want to go to comic-con as spy [TS]

00:57:58   versus spy cuz people have already [TS]

00:57:59   already done that but has there ever [TS]

00:58:01   been a blue meanie I bet there has but [TS]

00:58:04   if there hasn't been a blue meanie I [TS]

00:58:05   want to be a blue mean this is your live [TS]

00:58:07   blue meanie well sure I want to be [TS]

00:58:09   called blue meanie when I'm dressed as a [TS]

00:58:11   blue meanie but mister me was my father [TS]

00:58:16   but that is going to make it berry [TS]

00:58:19   that's gonna make it very very [TS]

00:58:21   additionally difficult to agree upon a [TS]

00:58:24   shared reality because you know like in [TS]

00:58:28   Deer land in in amorphous gas land some [TS]

00:58:32   things are simply not possible and if [TS]

00:58:35   those things happened that's less [TS]

00:58:37   important than whether or not they're [TS]

00:58:39   possible in the other reality right it's [TS]

00:58:42   not possible that a deer would eat a [TS]

00:58:45   beef beef isn't on a deer diet all right [TS]

00:58:49   but if this deer ate a beef that deer [TS]

00:58:52   has is looking at that looking at the [TS]

00:58:54   beef through their AR lenses as as waves [TS]

00:58:56   of grain and here's to tell you that [TS]

00:58:58   just because you're a deer you can't [TS]

00:58:59   marry a cartoon animal with tiny feet [TS]

00:59:01   know you know right it depends on the [TS]

00:59:03   community the community standards right [TS]

00:59:05   somebody is gonna be out there in [TS]

00:59:07   Montana telling you you can't do that [TS]

00:59:09   and they're on the wrong side of this is [TS]

00:59:11   a huge wrinkle and this might be what [TS]

00:59:13   we're already talking about cuz I'm not [TS]

00:59:14   sure but I think one huge wrinkle to [TS]

00:59:17   this is how will this be recorded as [TS]

00:59:19   time geography what this new level it [TS]

00:59:23   used to be that like whatever meat bag [TS]

00:59:24   you had was the meat bag you got right [TS]

00:59:26   and you don't get upset but like what [TS]

00:59:29   happens when sometimes you're a deer [TS]

00:59:31   other times you're an anvil and [TS]

00:59:32   sometimes you're any morphus gasps how [TS]

00:59:34   does that get recorded by the apps well [TS]

00:59:36   so now right like one of the major [TS]

00:59:39   selling points of snapchat was that [TS]

00:59:41   they're not recording it and all this is [TS]

00:59:44   fun mm-hmm and you're just over there [TS]

00:59:46   having fun sending each other dick pics [TS]

00:59:49   or whatever used to happen on snapchat [TS]

00:59:50   before it became a publicly traded [TS]

00:59:52   company and I think that was the appeal [TS]

00:59:57   too because people would ask me all [TS]

00:59:57   too because people would ask me all [TS]

01:00:00   time what is the appeal of snapchat why [TS]

01:00:02   is that because you know I'm obviously a [TS]

01:00:03   tech pundit and I would say I think the [TS]

01:00:06   appeal of it is that certainly when I [TS]

01:00:09   was young like between the ages of 16 [TS]

01:00:12   and 26 there are five extant photographs [TS]

01:00:15   of me that I know about and they are in [TS]

01:00:19   a shoebox now there are probably 15 [TS]

01:00:22   other photographs of me where I am in [TS]

01:00:24   the background of a photo it taken but [TS]

01:00:28   of two other people and that's in [TS]

01:00:29   someone else's shoebox but if I want to [TS]

01:00:32   see what I look like at age 24 I do not [TS]

01:00:34   have many options you have to interpret [TS]

01:00:37   lay triangulate simulate but the problem [TS]

01:00:41   is I you know I looked awful throughout [TS]

01:00:43   that period and I looked awful in a [TS]

01:00:45   thousand different ways so there's no [TS]

01:00:46   way to say okay I want to see drunk and [TS]

01:00:50   high John Wright in September no beard [TS]

01:00:55   of nine year dream cut the by six months [TS]

01:00:58   right and I remember it very well right [TS]

01:01:01   I would never like this is your [TS]

01:01:03   liability is you didn't you don't black [TS]

01:01:05   out [TS]

01:01:05   I don't black out yeah and so it's like [TS]

01:01:08   I was dating a bike messenger there was [TS]

01:01:10   that guy that came around the comet [TS]

01:01:12   tavern for about a week talking about [TS]

01:01:14   how we were gonna open up a jazz cafe [TS]

01:01:16   and it was going to transform the world [TS]

01:01:19   because hip-hop and jazz and freedom us [TS]

01:01:23   and art was just the one in the bus [TS]

01:01:26   station that was the one at the bus [TS]

01:01:27   station see I don't just scrub back and [TS]

01:01:31   watch a little bit of that and and now [TS]

01:01:34   if I was if this was happening now [TS]

01:01:36   there'd be 550 thousand photographs of [TS]

01:01:38   me working the door at the bus station [TS]

01:01:40   jazz hip hop cafe as it stands if there [TS]

01:01:44   is a photograph of me doing that it's I [TS]

01:01:46   don't own it it's in the background of [TS]

01:01:48   somebody else's in somebody else's shoe [TS]

01:01:49   box yeah but you're the deer in someone [TS]

01:01:53   else's selfie that's right mm-hmm but I [TS]

01:01:55   think the I think snapchat offered [TS]

01:01:59   contemporary contemporary people the [TS]

01:02:01   option of having the fun of that [TS]

01:02:03   photograph but not having it in your [TS]

01:02:04   shoebox forever the problem is that [TS]

01:02:06   snapchat already I feel is sort of being [TS]

01:02:10   marginalized right like Instagram came [TS]

01:02:12   in and was like oh we can steal [TS]

01:02:13   your ideas except for wool well we'll [TS]

01:02:16   keep it and it'll last that's what [TS]

01:02:19   happened right instinct Instagram took [TS]

01:02:20   some ideas from snapchat I'm not on [TS]

01:02:22   either one so forgive me but the [TS]

01:02:24   Instagram came in and swooped in and [TS]

01:02:26   took some of the uniquely snapchat e [TS]

01:02:28   ideas and basically took it lock stock [TS]

01:02:30   and barrel and made it part of Instagram [TS]

01:02:31   is that right it made a part of [TS]

01:02:32   Instagram and then you get the stories [TS]

01:02:35   you get stuff like that right stories [TS]

01:02:38   like disappear after a while and they're [TS]

01:02:40   kind of hard like oh I'd like to rewatch [TS]

01:02:42   that it was only two seconds long it [TS]

01:02:44   just breaks my brain yes I don't know if [TS]

01:02:47   you can watch it but some but we're not [TS]

01:02:49   promising that it doesn't exist [TS]

01:02:50   somewhere on our servers but somewhere [TS]

01:02:53   in the in the near future all of these [TS]

01:02:55   interactions between a deer and an [TS]

01:02:57   amorphous gas and an anvil with two [TS]

01:02:59   small feet yeah are that's all going to [TS]

01:03:02   be kept by Jeff Bezos in a salty the [TS]

01:03:05   opposite of snapchat I want retroactive [TS]

01:03:07   reverse snapchat I with everything that [TS]

01:03:09   anvil has ever done from the moment that [TS]

01:03:11   it decided that it's lived experience [TS]

01:03:12   was an anvil with tiny feet I want to be [TS]

01:03:14   there for that I would I would scrub [TS]

01:03:15   past that Christmas at the anvil house [TS]

01:03:17   that would be so sweet but instead we're [TS]

01:03:18   putting our resources into doing the [TS]

01:03:20   opposite which is to taking a picture of [TS]

01:03:21   nothing and then making it go away I [TS]

01:03:23   don't want to sound anti millennium I [TS]

01:03:25   love these people I think they're gonna [TS]

01:03:27   build our future you know give them hope [TS]

01:03:30   let them lead the way [TS]

01:03:31   sure like we've got to stop destroying [TS]

01:03:33   the unimportant things and then [TS]

01:03:34   remembering remembering all of the [TS]

01:03:35   unimportant things that is the ephemera [TS]

01:03:37   where were lousy with it we're swimming [TS]

01:03:39   in an ocean of ephemera but we can't [TS]

01:03:40   even touch it [TS]

01:03:41   even with our little hubs can't touch [TS]

01:03:45   there's so much ephemera that's just [TS]

01:03:47   right there you know it's right there [TS]

01:03:48   you just cost there's probably one [TS]

01:03:50   person from the hip hop jazz alcohol [TS]

01:03:51   club that like you can just almost time [TS]

01:03:53   to remember somebody from the newsstand [TS]

01:03:55   who used to come in play reggae was that [TS]

01:03:58   it well yeah I mean at the newsstand but [TS]

01:04:00   you know the jazz club is where I met [TS]

01:04:02   Reggie Watts now Reggie Watts lives in a [TS]

01:04:05   in a in a separate reality Reggie Watts [TS]

01:04:07   is reality and mine are only anymore [TS]

01:04:10   tangentially connected by virtue of us [TS]

01:04:13   both occupying a similar sort of like [TS]

01:04:16   weird minor celebrities even still know [TS]

01:04:20   that you're he's your nemesis does he [TS]

01:04:22   even know that anymore [TS]

01:04:23   I don't think I'm not the thing is the [TS]

01:04:25   last several times I've seen him here [TS]

01:04:27   been in a hope mobile I know I don't I [TS]

01:04:31   don't feel like this is talking out of [TS]

01:04:33   school to say that he has been in a vape [TS]

01:04:34   cloud that excludes other people [TS]

01:04:37   does he bust a sick vape it'd be [TS]

01:04:39   probably busts the sickest things Reggie [TS]

01:04:43   Watts busts the sickest vape for a long [TS]

01:04:47   time he but he busted sick vapes back [TS]

01:04:49   before vapes and now that there vapes [TS]

01:04:51   any cigarettes here we're talking about [TS]

01:04:53   like little r2d2 r2d2 dildo with a sick [TS]

01:04:56   like a raspberry vape for sure and [TS]

01:05:00   Reggie knew that he was my nemesis when [TS]

01:05:03   he and I were dating the same person [TS]

01:05:08   subsequently mm oh so we so he so we [TS]

01:05:14   were nemec's in the sense of like we [TS]

01:05:16   would run into each other and there [TS]

01:05:18   would be a little bit of like are we [TS]

01:05:19   cool yeah can I ask who came first as [TS]

01:05:23   part of me let me rephrase that [TS]

01:05:24   yeah um can I ask what the order of [TS]

01:05:27   partnering was so I was partners with [TS]

01:05:31   someone who you know what I was early on [TS]

01:05:35   in in her partnering life okay and then [TS]

01:05:40   we split up and then somewhere along the [TS]

01:05:44   way she and Reggie had a relationship I [TS]

01:05:49   when I found out tried to discourage her [TS]

01:05:54   because I had known him you know in [TS]

01:05:58   other worlds in this jazz cafe' being a [TS]

01:06:02   bit this was one of the worlds but also [TS]

01:06:04   we had also met we were we were our Venn [TS]

01:06:08   diagrams overlapped quite a bit although [TS]

01:06:09   never at this never the center of the [TS]

01:06:13   circle right we never came we never came [TS]

01:06:16   we were never like let's go do let's go [TS]

01:06:18   to a third location fellow him but my [TS]

01:06:22   lady friend spoke very highly of him [TS]

01:06:26   they parted amicably and then she and I [TS]

01:06:30   came back together somewhere down the [TS]

01:06:32   line in our timeline where it was like [TS]

01:06:35   oh we've been apart for a couple of [TS]

01:06:37   years but it turned out we're one of [TS]

01:06:38   those couples that gets divorced in 74 [TS]

01:06:41   yeah remarries in 76 and then gets [TS]

01:06:44   divorced again in 79 that's a nice way [TS]

01:06:47   to do it that's very symmetrical I like [TS]

01:06:49   that yeah so we were you know each of us [TS]

01:06:51   were married [TS]

01:06:52   11 times but one but two of those 11 [TS]

01:06:55   times were to each other this is the [TS]

01:06:57   person I was married to the most right [TS]

01:06:59   and so it was you know so there but [TS]

01:07:03   there was a period there in the middle [TS]

01:07:04   where he was dating her and he was like [TS]

01:07:07   when we would see each other he would be [TS]

01:07:10   tentative and a little bit like hey man [TS]

01:07:13   is you know are we cool and then I was [TS]

01:07:16   the one that was like we're cool what [TS]

01:07:17   are you talking about of course [TS]

01:07:18   everything's cool you know I'm not [TS]

01:07:20   seeing her anymore I'm not one of those [TS]

01:07:21   guys like yeah I'm happy for you [TS]

01:07:24   you know but I wasn't you know and then [TS]

01:07:27   you can't say that you can't say I'm not [TS]

01:07:29   happy about it you have to be like yeah [TS]

01:07:31   that's he said that's gonna be recorded [TS]

01:07:32   forever people will be able to scrub [TS]

01:07:33   back on that and this is a long time ago [TS]

01:07:35   I was in my 20s I didn't have any sense [TS]

01:07:37   of but then later on she and I are [TS]

01:07:41   dating again like she's an iconic figure [TS]

01:07:43   to in my life and then he is in the [TS]

01:07:49   position of of having to say hey I'm [TS]

01:07:55   happy for you but because I because I [TS]

01:07:58   felt like this my relationship with her [TS]

01:08:00   was the primary relationship mm-hmm I [TS]

01:08:04   did not feel like I needed to say hey is [TS]

01:08:07   this cool because I didn't I [TS]

01:08:10   there was just an interregnum that [TS]

01:08:12   included him I was the original The Rime [TS]

01:08:15   animal Oh interesting and so I was like [TS]

01:08:19   hey what's up oh yeah times have changed [TS]

01:08:22   and then he was like oh I'm I'm cool [TS]

01:08:26   you got him done he's done not you do [TS]

01:08:28   this but he's doubting himself a little [TS]

01:08:30   bit well you know though the one the one [TS]

01:08:32   who asks are we cool is the one who [TS]

01:08:34   thinks you may not be cool right and I [TS]

01:08:36   didn't have to worry about whether or [TS]

01:08:37   not we were cool they knew you know he's [TS]

01:08:39   not my nemesis now no I got him couldn't [TS]

01:08:41   be happier you know listen for [TS]

01:08:45   everybody's success I am happy yes [TS]

01:08:48   listen all I want is for people to [TS]

01:08:49   thrive and be happy [TS]

01:08:51   sure absolutely you know thrive [TS]

01:08:55   is you know like I'm I'm thriving and [TS]

01:08:59   crying right that I'm just wanting [TS]

01:09:03   everybody to succeed on their own [TS]

01:09:06   timeline I want them if they are dear I [TS]

01:09:09   want them to beat here oh my gosh what a [TS]

01:09:13   generous review you've you've developed [TS]

01:09:15   I watched his TED talk and I thought it [TS]

01:09:18   was kind of confusing I don't I didn't [TS]

01:09:19   really understand what we watch yeah [TS]

01:09:21   we've been watching some TED talks [TS]

01:09:22   confusing you know very talented he's [TS]

01:09:25   very talented he's extraordinary talent [TS]

01:09:27   you think he's a victim of the vapor I [TS]

01:09:28   think that they're I mean one of the [TS]

01:09:31   things is you can say I am a deer I am [TS]

01:09:33   an amorphous cloud of gas and you can [TS]

01:09:35   also say I think that this chemical [TS]

01:09:39   intoxicant really relaxes me and is [TS]

01:09:42   great and it's better than alcohol and [TS]

01:09:44   whatever it produces in me whatever [TS]

01:09:47   however it makes my reality timeline [TS]

01:09:50   into something other that's something [TS]

01:09:54   that I would like you to click YES on [TS]

01:09:57   okay Oh interesting please agree to [TS]

01:09:59   these new terms right update to the [TS]

01:10:02   terms and conditions you have to [TS]

01:10:03   remember this as that's a good that's a [TS]

01:10:06   really good question if you suddenly [TS]

01:10:07   become a dear who vapes mmm-hmm I'm [TS]

01:10:10   guessing you don't have the ability to [TS]

01:10:12   retch can you retro actively change the [TS]

01:10:15   record on that to where you always will [TS]

01:10:16   have vaped well I thank you for that for [TS]

01:10:19   that matter let's see you stop more [TS]

01:10:20   importantly let's be honest you steer a [TS]

01:10:22   deer who has stopped vaping mmm-hmm [TS]

01:10:24   jus you is a racing history a racist way [TS]

01:10:27   to put that what do you what do you call [TS]

01:10:28   it if you say I am still a deer but I no [TS]

01:10:30   longer vape please update accordingly [TS]

01:10:32   click for terms of conditions please [TS]

01:10:33   remember to Like and subscribe [TS]

01:10:34   this is gonna be very difficult if you [TS]

01:10:37   if you spend a large portion of your [TS]

01:10:40   life [TS]

01:10:40   as like I'm the vaping deer welcome in [TS]

01:10:43   your importantly now your lived [TS]

01:10:44   experiences you're like thinking about [TS]

01:10:46   you and the alcohol god bless you like [TS]

01:10:48   maybe you're maybe part of your lived [TS]

01:10:49   experience an identity now becomes I'm [TS]

01:10:51   the guy who used to vape oh well even [TS]

01:10:53   better I'm the guy you used to vape but [TS]

01:10:55   doesn't even talk about it that will [TS]

01:10:57   absolutely be true and I don't I have [TS]

01:10:59   never met a person who used to vape who [TS]

01:11:01   doesn't want to talk about it [TS]

01:11:03   that's just in the nature of that game [TS]

01:11:06   used to think but like if there were if [TS]

01:11:08   there were 15 years of you where your [TS]

01:11:11   avatar was a little deer nose and big [TS]

01:11:14   bloodshot eyes and like a tiny little [TS]

01:11:17   vape sticking out of your little deer [TS]

01:11:19   mouth she's so cute [TS]

01:11:21   it's super cute the vape the vape device [TS]

01:11:24   would also be scaled so if it was like a [TS]

01:11:26   baby deer it would be having like a [TS]

01:11:27   little tiny like a poop in your little [TS]

01:11:30   voice would be changed but then you quit [TS]

01:11:32   vaping so and as soon as you you think [TS]

01:11:34   changing back to your anime icon from [TS]

01:11:36   your deer who vapes you think that's [TS]

01:11:38   gonna change history buddy well you will [TS]

01:11:41   have that option well of course it does [TS]

01:11:45   but that's the thing like now if you [TS]

01:11:48   have a shoebox full of photographs and [TS]

01:11:50   you're sitting around with big with big [TS]

01:11:53   red blue bloodshot eyes and you look [TS]

01:11:55   like whatever whatever that guy from [TS]

01:11:57   4chan is good time best friend charlie [TS]

01:11:59   or whatever he took me yeah he's like my [TS]

01:12:11   mom said you can stay over charlie [TS]

01:12:14   you're the best meme ever hmm but you [TS]

01:12:18   can go back and warren and wipe it and [TS]

01:12:20   say no now I work for Raytheon yeah you [TS]

01:12:25   know and I am I am a very straight edged [TS]

01:12:27   ear right and I'm gonna like back wipe [TS]

01:12:30   but based on corporation I've never been [TS]

01:12:34   a deer I haven't named Bezos has all of [TS]

01:12:39   that in an assault line yeah and then [TS]

01:12:41   it's gonna be a thing like well you can [TS]

01:12:43   only wipe the vape off your dear face so [TS]

01:12:47   far so it's kind of like torrents or [TS]

01:12:50   blockchains I mean is there some way is [TS]

01:12:52   it like it's like a Bitcoin like is [TS]

01:12:53   there some way that there's a record [TS]

01:12:55   that has to be verified across all the [TS]

01:12:57   different clients because I mean I'm [TS]

01:12:58   thinking like this you know what if [TS]

01:13:00   somebody goes in I guess this will all [TS]

01:13:01   be dealt with by John Syracuse and how [TS]

01:13:02   he scales up this and he spins up the [TS]

01:13:04   entire system like all that stuff out [TS]

01:13:06   there somebody changes their icon that [TS]

01:13:08   has to change everywhere does that retro [TS]

01:13:09   actively change mash in in 1978 for well [TS]

01:13:13   so Zuckerberg right now is sitting on [TS]

01:13:15   his toadstool somewhere [TS]

01:13:17   his little bong talking to Alice in [TS]

01:13:21   Wonderland and right now Facebook and [TS]

01:13:25   Instagram and these things are all [TS]

01:13:27   trying to project it's all about how am [TS]

01:13:31   I going to how are they going to sell [TS]

01:13:33   ads and how are they gonna how are they [TS]

01:13:35   collecting this data in order to predict [TS]

01:13:38   when we're gonna need a new pool filter [TS]

01:13:42   right so that so that you know if you [TS]

01:13:45   like if you if you bought a pool filter [TS]

01:13:48   people who bought pool filters all three [TS]

01:13:50   more foolproof yes seven different kinds [TS]

01:13:52   of filters I don't think that's what [TS]

01:13:54   happened but okay so that's what they're [TS]

01:13:57   trying to use that technology to do [TS]

01:13:58   right predict what you're gonna buy next [TS]

01:14:00   what they haven't figured out is that [TS]

01:14:04   all of this what you know what how long [TS]

01:14:07   has Zuckerberg been compiling history [TS]

01:14:11   his history personal histories there's [TS]

01:14:13   there's no way to know yet right but not [TS]

01:14:16   that long right at ten years let's say [TS]

01:14:18   when did fucking Facebook come on that's [TS]

01:14:20   less than 10 years right that's [TS]

01:14:21   something like that so let's say there [TS]

01:14:24   let's say all these people in the data [TS]

01:14:25   collection spheres are all nearing their [TS]

01:14:29   10-year anniversary now they have 10 [TS]

01:14:30   years of data on all of us Apple knows [TS]

01:14:34   from our phones where we've been every [TS]

01:14:37   day what are what cafes we go to where [TS]

01:14:40   our mom lives Apple knows because [TS]

01:14:42   they've been tracking and Google knows [TS]

01:14:45   how many times we we put in like dear [TS]

01:14:49   porn deer-in-the-headlights porn or [TS]

01:14:52   whatever right and they're all using it [TS]

01:14:55   the wrong way but that date is all there [TS]

01:14:59   it's like photographs of us it's the [TS]

01:15:02   it's the worst stuff that we're afraid [TS]

01:15:04   of putting on Instagram but we're not [TS]

01:15:06   conscious of it existing still and so [TS]

01:15:10   you can you can clear your photo archive [TS]

01:15:14   off of your Facebook page so nobody ever [TS]

01:15:17   remembers you were married to Marty and [TS]

01:15:19   you can say I was never married tomorrow [TS]

01:15:21   man or you know what we don't talk about [TS]

01:15:23   Marty anymore right but somewhere in the [TS]

01:15:27   salt mines that are owned by Apple there [TS]

01:15:29   is a chai [TS]

01:15:31   throbbing red pin that says marty-mart [TS]

01:15:34   even if you remove it they're still [TS]

01:15:35   gonna be a Marty sized hole and [TS]

01:15:37   everybody's blockchain that's right the [TS]

01:15:39   North remembers the North remembers yeah [TS]

01:15:41   so what what is that gonna be like with [TS]

01:15:45   the 50 years of data and what about what [TS]

01:15:48   what if what happens when everybody [TS]

01:15:49   starts doing that I mean this is gonna [TS]

01:15:52   get super confusing yeah yeah well and [TS]

01:15:56   when everybody starts doing it it's all [TS]

01:15:58   proprietary information but then certeza [TS]

01:16:01   or future siracusa just like Issa after [TS]

01:16:04   siracusa transitions to an amorphous gas [TS]

01:16:06   right that Serkis is gonna build an [TS]

01:16:09   overarching architecture that somehow [TS]

01:16:11   data mines and strips all that data from [TS]

01:16:14   all these companies that thinks it's [TS]

01:16:15   bragging and combines it somewhere else [TS]

01:16:18   somewhere out where the where the mean [TS]

01:16:22   god is floating in a big chair on a [TS]

01:16:23   meteorite he's talking to the lesser [TS]

01:16:26   gods that are mad at each other when [TS]

01:16:28   he's like a big meteor god but somehow [TS]

01:16:31   still is like not a big enough god to [TS]

01:16:33   not live in a meteor and the anvil with [TS]

01:16:35   tiny feet walks into the Salt Mine it [TS]

01:16:37   says clear the cache so maybe over here [TS]

01:16:39   John Syracuse's that little boy Zelda [TS]

01:16:42   from that game but then and these other [TS]

01:16:44   ones there's been a mistake there's been [TS]

01:16:45   a cache error the icon doesn't show up [TS]

01:16:47   from there but then he becomes a deer [TS]

01:16:48   with a vape pen and then how do you deal [TS]

01:16:50   with that at scale and are you ready for [TS]

01:16:53   this how do you record the glitch over [TS]

01:16:55   time because that's still part of the [TS]

01:16:57   bore Hayes timeline that still needs to [TS]

01:16:59   be in there somewhere it can't just be a [TS]

01:17:00   log entry oops [TS]

01:17:02   we vaped a deer there's got to be a full [TS]

01:17:04   record of that thing unless that's [TS]

01:17:05   against somebody's personal ethos and [TS]

01:17:07   their lived experience is as a deer in [TS]

01:17:09   which case they should not even have [TS]

01:17:10   errors but the problem the problem is [TS]

01:17:12   there are throbbing red pins all over [TS]

01:17:15   right and somebody coming missing data [TS]

01:17:17   or a corrupt data what does it mean no [TS]

01:17:19   throbbing red pin is like there's a pin [TS]

01:17:21   right if you if you go to your [TS]

01:17:24   daughter's school every day the pin on [TS]

01:17:26   the map oh oh I see of your significant [TS]

01:17:29   destination it's larger and larger and [TS]

01:17:32   larger until it's like this is a major [TS]

01:17:35   destination that this guy goes to every [TS]

01:17:37   day so if I'm going to market Fried [TS]

01:17:39   Chicken to him [TS]

01:17:41   from the neighborhood gas station where [TS]

01:17:43   he stops and gets fried chicken yes and [TS]

01:17:45   if I'm gonna present an ad for this [TS]

01:17:47   fried chicken to him as though he's [TS]

01:17:49   never had it even though he has it every [TS]

01:17:50   week I'm gonna remind him of this that [TS]

01:17:54   pin is just a very big pin and if you [TS]

01:17:56   say I'm my daughter doesn't go to that [TS]

01:17:58   school anymore yes that pin stays on [TS]

01:18:02   your mat can't unthread ten that's right [TS]

01:18:04   it's there forever [TS]

01:18:06   and somewhere in the somewhere in apples [TS]

01:18:09   like time geography they're never gonna [TS]

01:18:12   let you forget that that pin exists even [TS]

01:18:14   if you never go there again apples gonna [TS]

01:18:17   remember okay and you can't you can't [TS]

01:18:21   forget it you can't undo that place and [TS]

01:18:24   if an unscrupulous 11 teenth party gets [TS]

01:18:29   in there and says huh and you and then [TS]

01:18:32   your daughter says I'm a deer I never [TS]

01:18:35   lived in Seattle I'm reinventing myself [TS]

01:18:36   as a Parisian Inca for her right [TS]

01:18:41   I'm morphus gas that lives in Paris to [TS]

01:18:43   suffer in America right well yeah right [TS]

01:18:46   I know I know it's serious somewhere in [TS]

01:18:51   her history 150 years from now my [TS]

01:18:55   great-granddaughter somebody at Apple [TS]

01:18:58   has the story [TS]

01:18:59   and you cannot run right you can't run [TS]

01:19:06   from that somehow no matter how much you [TS]

01:19:09   could virtually run if you're a deer [TS]

01:19:11   yeah but but the throbbing is something [TS]

01:19:14   that's out of your control right and you [TS]

01:19:17   and so there's fake news and then [TS]

01:19:19   there's fake news like this well that's [TS]

01:19:22   what I'm wondering that's a good point [TS]

01:19:23   do you feel a nearby hmm of course me do [TS]

01:19:29   you know I don't want you to reveal the [TS]

01:19:30   details of this but I think this might [TS]

01:19:31   be fun I don't know if you know this I [TS]

01:19:33   bet you'll really enjoy this hey let's [TS]

01:19:35   go to settings alright settings I have [TS]

01:19:40   low battery Merlin oh no it's alright [TS]

01:19:42   it's alright I can deal with that I put [TS]

01:19:44   it in low-power mode [TS]

01:19:45   all right I mean to do that good for you [TS]

01:19:47   yeah um drive-in settings I'll tell you [TS]

01:19:51   well let's do this over I don't want [TS]

01:19:53   this to educational you know big [TS]

01:19:55   because I have because I have a special [TS]

01:19:56   relationship with AT&T they may have [TS]

01:19:58   disabled this function because I have a [TS]

01:20:01   plan they don't want me to have oh god [TS]

01:20:04   it's so they take away all the fun [TS]

01:20:06   things in order to bully me away are you [TS]

01:20:08   grandfathered in on the unlimited data [TS]

01:20:10   I'm grandfathered in and even though I [TS]

01:20:12   don't use it even though it's not a it's [TS]

01:20:14   not actually a problem for them they're [TS]

01:20:15   so mad about it and if they're like oh [TS]

01:20:17   sorry we don't allow you to do that I [TS]

01:20:18   was grandfathered and and I accidentally [TS]

01:20:20   added tethering alright I did something [TS]

01:20:23   where I was ready to pay more money for [TS]

01:20:25   it they went up see [TS]

01:20:26   oopsie-doopsie you're not grandfather [TS]

01:20:28   anymore yeah some some terms of [TS]

01:20:32   conditions may apply up that's right and [TS]

01:20:34   you clicked accept and that means that [TS]

01:20:36   you are fucked let's go down to privacy [TS]

01:20:38   it's the dairy icon with the white hand [TS]

01:20:41   that's also Saruman's actually sixteen [TS]

01:20:47   rings a lot of people don't know that [TS]

01:20:52   location services okay now if you don't [TS]

01:20:55   have those turned on nothing works and [TS]

01:20:57   everything yells at you oh I know I'm [TS]

01:20:59   finally off uber it took a really long [TS]

01:21:01   time I'm finally off uber now scroll all [TS]

01:21:03   the way down all the way down right down [TS]

01:21:06   advertising you see system services wait [TS]

01:21:09   a minute so I go into locations go to [TS]

01:21:11   the location services all right now [TS]

01:21:13   scroll all the way down system services [TS]

01:21:16   click on that yeah okay down to frequent [TS]

01:21:23   locations ok frequent locations on click [TS]

01:21:27   on that click on it oh ok [TS]

01:21:37   isn't that kind of interesting so the [TS]

01:21:40   first thing that comes up don't tell me [TS]

01:21:42   to blah blah no but this is really this [TS]

01:21:46   is really like confusing and wonderful [TS]

01:21:51   because the first thing that comes up is [TS]

01:21:53   Bremerton Washington really 13 locations [TS]

01:21:57   that comes up before Seattle yeah 13 [TS]

01:22:01   locations recorded [TS]

01:22:06   between June and July but that makes no [TS]

01:22:11   sense I've is this some is this like my [TS]

01:22:15   computer that got stolen three years ago [TS]

01:22:17   kind of it's basically this is they're [TS]

01:22:19   saying here they allow your phone to [TS]

01:22:21   learn places you frequently visit in [TS]

01:22:22   order to improve useful location related [TS]

01:22:25   information in maps calendar and more [TS]

01:22:28   did you know that it was doing this I [TS]

01:22:34   suspected it but yeah I don't mind it [TS]

01:22:36   but it is it is kind of interesting so [TS]

01:22:40   this is saying what is this even saying [TS]

01:22:44   I'm trying to make sense of this coming [TS]

01:22:47   up with some of these that I don't [TS]

01:22:48   understand there's camping there's a [TS]

01:22:52   process why the hell does it have [TS]

01:22:54   anything to say about Bremerton this is [TS]

01:22:57   an interesting twist how far we is [TS]

01:23:00   Bremerton Pemberton is a ferry boat away [TS]

01:23:03   it is so there are only well here's [TS]

01:23:07   what's even additionally crazy there are [TS]

01:23:09   only five things in my history okay [TS]

01:23:13   Bremerton is at the top 13 locations [TS]

01:23:15   recorded since June 25th I have been to [TS]

01:23:21   Bremerton once okay since June 25th I [TS]

01:23:28   guess I went over there at one point [TS]

01:23:30   since since then one time they must [TS]

01:23:32   think something very important is [TS]

01:23:34   happening there would you did you live [TS]

01:23:35   extra hard there did you have emotional [TS]

01:23:37   experiences is there any is there any [TS]

01:23:39   kind of metadata it might have picked up [TS]

01:23:40   about your experience that said let's [TS]

01:23:42   mark this and make a make a throb read [TS]

01:23:44   don't say well so when I click on it now [TS]

01:23:49   I'm looking at a map of the west coast [TS]

01:23:51   of the United States mm-hmm and it has a [TS]

01:23:54   big blue throbbing dot over Bremerton [TS]

01:23:58   and then it has a blue dot over San [TS]

01:24:01   Diego California and it says I'm [TS]

01:24:05   scrolling down here and it's like three [TS]

01:24:07   visits since June 25th and one of them [TS]

01:24:10   then I switch on it and that there's [TS]

01:24:12   like a blue dot over a Sherry's on [TS]

01:24:15   Wheaton way in like silver Dale [TS]

01:24:19   hmm and then there's I click on another [TS]

01:24:22   dot and there's a blue dot over Peggy [TS]

01:24:24   Washburn's fine art photography [TS]

01:24:27   somewhere okay I don't know why I never [TS]

01:24:30   went there I'm not sure what this is now [TS]

01:24:33   there's a blue dot over a salad style on [TS]

01:24:38   these streets there's no I don't live in [TS]

01:24:41   a place with a B Street is there any [TS]

01:24:43   chance that this is surfacing [TS]

01:24:47   information you either don't remember or [TS]

01:24:50   did not prioritize is it trying to tell [TS]

01:24:52   you something about salad or photographs [TS]

01:24:55   or fairies is there anything that you we [TS]

01:24:57   as you look at this I'm not saying you [TS]

01:24:59   blacked out because as we know you don't [TS]

01:25:00   black out but like if you were a vaping [TS]

01:25:02   deer and you looked at this what is this [TS]

01:25:03   telling you is there anything is there [TS]

01:25:05   anything to be gleaned about your matrix [TS]

01:25:07   from this I did I went to comic-con it [TS]

01:25:15   was it was super fun I walked around I [TS]

01:25:20   bought some comic books mmm I talked to [TS]

01:25:25   people about comic books I I had my [TS]

01:25:30   usual comic-con experience which is that [TS]

01:25:34   I didn't understand that happened a lot [TS]

01:25:37   but you know that going in right I know [TS]

01:25:39   what going in hmm I say like I'm going [TS]

01:25:42   to this thing I do not understand I'm [TS]

01:25:44   fine with that I no longer seek to [TS]

01:25:47   understand frankly like I understand I [TS]

01:25:50   understand enough I was walking through [TS]

01:25:54   comic-con and there was an enormous [TS]

01:25:55   scrum of people around a booth and there [TS]

01:26:00   was a big big booth that hat was branded [TS]

01:26:04   with the Warner Brothers logo and it was [TS]

01:26:07   a two-story tall booth with a big curved [TS]

01:26:10   staircase and the lights were very [TS]

01:26:13   bright around it and you know this is [TS]

01:26:15   you're going down the same hall that [TS]

01:26:16   like over here there's a guy that looks [TS]

01:26:19   like the guy from The Simpsons who sells [TS]

01:26:22   comic books it's that guy sitting at a [TS]

01:26:25   booth with a bunch of copies of you know [TS]

01:26:28   like a bunch of cardboard boxes with [TS]

01:26:31   like [TS]

01:26:32   DC titles from the 60s and then two [TS]

01:26:35   blocks down the comic-con highway [TS]

01:26:40   there's this huge like experienced [TS]

01:26:43   Warner Brothers and all of a sudden [TS]

01:26:45   these people appear these security [TS]

01:26:47   guards who are like this roads blocked [TS]

01:26:49   this roads closed you have to go around [TS]

01:26:51   it's like get that go around what are [TS]

01:26:53   you even talking about we're just if you [TS]

01:26:55   can't go around you crazy people I mean [TS]

01:26:58   there's like there they are almost [TS]

01:27:00   guaranteeing that there will be a [TS]

01:27:02   stampede [TS]

01:27:03   but I'm looking over this security guard [TS]

01:27:06   and there are paparazzi who are holding [TS]

01:27:11   their expensive cameras up above their [TS]

01:27:12   heads you know the way they do that [TS]

01:27:14   where they can't see what they're taking [TS]

01:27:15   a picture of there's no scope shooting [TS]

01:27:17   where they're like I'll get something [TS]

01:27:17   I'll take enough these firing and their [TS]

01:27:20   flashes are going off and there are [TS]

01:27:22   there dozens of these crowded around and [TS]

01:27:26   I'm like what is happening is Harrison [TS]

01:27:28   Ford here right right and then you look [TS]

01:27:31   and it's some sort of smiling young [TS]

01:27:33   actor or actress from the latest WB show [TS]

01:27:37   which is called like coat hanger and [TS]

01:27:40   Tibbs it's probably same vein from coat [TS]

01:27:45   hanger and Tibbs something right and [TS]

01:27:50   fucking you know and the whole thing I'm [TS]

01:27:54   trying to get over here to see if this [TS]

01:27:56   person has any copies of Mad Magazine [TS]

01:27:58   from the 70s right and I can't get [TS]

01:28:01   through because because Zane from coat [TS]

01:28:03   hanger Tibbs there for 11 10 minutes [TS]

01:28:06   while they take the bait like this and [TS]

01:28:11   say and they have that like plastered on [TS]

01:28:13   smile and the big friendly wave and you [TS]

01:28:15   know that they're held together some [TS]

01:28:17   some makeup artist right behind the WB [TS]

01:28:21   screen has taped their shit together and [TS]

01:28:24   sprayed on enough stuff that they can [TS]

01:28:26   stand out there for like 4 45 seconds [TS]

01:28:31   and get their picture taken and look [TS]

01:28:32   amazing and then they walk back in and [TS]

01:28:34   it's like that's the photo-op [TS]

01:28:35   I didn't seem like much longer than that [TS]

01:28:38   because if it had been because the thing [TS]

01:28:40   is those flashbulbs going off yeah it is [TS]

01:28:42   you know the other people at comic-con [TS]

01:28:45   are like summer night mosquitoes and [TS]

01:28:49   those flashbulbs are like that weird [TS]

01:28:51   electrocution machine and oh there's a [TS]

01:28:55   flash bulbs equals important yeah saying [TS]

01:28:58   from coat hanger and tips it might be [TS]

01:29:00   saying it might be Harrison Ford in [TS]

01:29:01   might be george RR martin and they just [TS]

01:29:05   start to move toward the papa pile and [TS]

01:29:07   that's why the security guards appear [TS]

01:29:09   but the security guards it's funny in [TS]

01:29:12   those situations right you know that [TS]

01:29:13   those people who are local san diego-ins [TS]

01:29:16   they are not invested they're not [TS]

01:29:19   invested in the safety of Zain they do [TS]

01:29:22   not care if he is overrun and murdered [TS]

01:29:25   and his body is stripped and his limbs [TS]

01:29:29   are eaten oh my they do not actually [TS]

01:29:32   care about Zane they also do not care [TS]

01:29:35   about you on the other side of the line [TS]

01:29:38   they don't care whether you are trampled [TS]

01:29:40   they don't care whether you survive this [TS]

01:29:42   day they are employed to stand there as [TS]

01:29:46   long as they can to say sorry and if [TS]

01:29:52   anything happens if enough mosquitoes [TS]

01:29:55   like push up against that screen and say [TS]

01:29:59   I am dying to be electrocuted by this [TS]

01:30:01   thing on a hot summer night yeah and [TS]

01:30:03   they start to push these security guards [TS]

01:30:05   will say I'm out right they're not good [TS]

01:30:09   they're not risking their lives frozen [TS]

01:30:10   and Zane frankly is just on the other [TS]

01:30:13   side of a folding table covered with [TS]

01:30:16   towels right like there's no real [TS]

01:30:19   protection it's all just an agreed upon [TS]

01:30:21   thing like okay here's a table there's [TS]

01:30:24   table here so turning on essential norms [TS]

01:30:27   right but it won't be long before at a [TS]

01:30:31   comic-con somebody like the crowd [TS]

01:30:36   resorts to cannibalism and insane is [TS]

01:30:38   just a pile of bones I want to be there [TS]

01:30:42   for that frankly they should start [TS]

01:30:44   planning ahead I mean because if cutting [TS]

01:30:46   or in tubes is gonna become the [TS]

01:30:47   franchise that the WB really wants to [TS]

01:30:49   become you should have somebody waiting [TS]

01:30:52   in the wings [TS]

01:30:53   do we still waste time saying the WB [TS]

01:30:56   isn't there some like the CW now [TS]

01:30:58   jumping about causing his a man was a [TS]

01:31:08   man I can't I can't stop thinking about [TS]

01:31:09   that vaping dear now if anybody wants [TS]

01:31:12   you draw up an icon of a vaping dear I [TS]

01:31:16   would be ok with that I would like the [TS]

01:31:17   deer to be cute should the deer be [TS]

01:31:19   slightly anime it's gotta be fucking [TS]

01:31:21   cutie kidding me it's got to have and [TS]

01:31:22   it's got to have lateral doe eyes it's [TS]

01:31:25   got doe eyes it's got a little deer nose [TS]

01:31:26   and probably is wearing a crown how can [TS]

01:31:29   I have Rudolph nubs instead of full [TS]

01:31:30   horns absolutely yeah [TS]

01:31:33   and you know [TS]

01:31:40   [Laughter] [TS]

01:31:42   [Music] [TS]