The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the incomparable number 185 artists 2013 [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► welcome back to being comfortable i'm [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► your host Jason L we're here in this [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► installment to talk about neil gaiman [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► most specifically his latest novel the [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► ocean at the end of the lane we might [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► also talk a little bit about other neil [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► gaiman that we have read and thought of [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► but basically we're gonna focus on the [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► ocean at the end of the lane and joining [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► me in this edition of our book club to [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► talk about it i have two lovely guest [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► dan morgan is here as he always is and i [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► do think that i like is i do i know i'm [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► playing his part tonight [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► ok thank you think i will not speak much [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► you can tell me what to read later and [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► uh and also david lawrence here [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► hi again hi back I have have I been here [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► before I let me sit next to this pond [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► and think about them [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► Oh whoo that's a book reference that you [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► did there was I don't know I don't get [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► so the ocean at the end of the lane a [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► hundred ninety-two page [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► I don't know the backstory here I don't [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► know if who actually did read that he [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► intended this originally to be a short [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► story and then it kind of got out of [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► hand through each other going and [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► telling a little bit and if you're a [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► famous short the successful writer like [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► neil gaiman and you write something of [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► any length that you might consider a [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► novella from somewhere else your agent [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► and your publisher say we wait that the [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► novel but it's it's kinda short at it's [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► a novel will it sell it so it's it's um [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► it's 290 pages line along in my addition [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► I according to wikipedia 292 page don't [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► know you know what hardcover in my hand [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► in 278 even shorter wow look at that so [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► their wikipedia is overselling it [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► well are you suggesting wikipedia is [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► wrong about something my god we've [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► broken the well I don't know tonight up [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► the world is not as it appears dan oh [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► yeah all right there are oceans that are [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► pawns it's very strange [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► so um I actually kind of like before we [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► get into talking about it i really liked [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► reading something that was [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► self-contained and wasn't a [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► thousand-page book that's one in a [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► series it was really nice to read [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► something short and sweet and I liked it [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► a lot but also i like i like the words a [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► lot and i liked the name [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► for of words even more but there weren't [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► that many of them it was kinda nice [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► yeah it's a story that it's very [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► efficiently told some ways which is not [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► to suggest that it's not without its art [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► obviously but can be efficient i think i [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► mean i read this i read this on vacation [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► the week before we're recording this and [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► I read it in a day [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► I mean like I finished a book the [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► previous book I was reading and I was [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► like all right I'm certain your game [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► because I brought it specifically [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► because i want to read on vacation and [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► ended up you know i read in a couple [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► like you know a couple settings settings [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► like when i finished it before bed and [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► yeah i mean that is that's where it's [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► been a long time since i read a book in [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► the day rather than couple settings [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► rather than a tree that you like a [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► forever by a lake [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► I read by the lake i read it on a chick [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► in a chair all right I like a comfy [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► chair and a porch in a bed two sittings [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► and two settings in a box with a fox fox [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► yeah with my studies in my socks and [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► planning I did not read it in the rain I [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► would not could not read it in the rain [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► it's true anyways yeah I wouldn't it was [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► funny because I just talked to sit down [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► have a vacation with my family and my [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► cousin is a couple years older than me [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► is also a bit of you know fantasy [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► science fiction fan and so he's like if [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► you read over the ocean at the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► underlying yet i was like no no I have [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► it on this trip I'm gonna read it and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► he's he you know tried very hard not to [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► spoil i actually knew very little about [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► this book going in despite the fact that [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► i follow him on twitter and read his [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► blog like I I sort of got bits and [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► pieces but not I did not read the book [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► jacket or anything like that I kind of [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► went in unprepared and I think you know [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► what i think i like that you know i [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► think that's something I don't do very [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► often and it's refreshing it's like [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► going to a movie that you don't know [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► anything about right and then you're [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► surprised and delighted by it like oh [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► wow this is pretty cool i dont even into [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► a trailer or commercial for anything and [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► they're required backstory don't want to [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► know what universe it's set in or what [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► series it's a part of or anything like [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► that it's just [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► hey Neil Gaiman road new book i'm going [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► to read it anyway yeah and i have a [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► further point about that but I wait wait [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► until we get to the book discussion so [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► noted yet I mean I i read it in two [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► sittings to just over two nights but any [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► settings only only one only one to enter [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► next Settings icon [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► yeah yeah next time I'll build a set [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► there you go there you do that [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► and yeah i mean i originally I got it [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► just because my older son is in to neil [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► gaiman thanks to Coraline and the [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► graveyard book and without alright you [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► know we'll get this and yeah if if i get [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► around to reading it [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► so when you through this and there's no [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► yeah alright i can do that and you [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► mentioned it to an actor friend of mine [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► and he said oh my god you're going to [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► love it said okay you know whatever [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► any-any didn't spoil and he wanted to [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► you know it was the same kind of thing [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► and so last night after i finished it i [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► sent him a message [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► I said oh my god and he said yep there [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► you go and i'll tell you what else he [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► said later but that's part of the book [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► discussion one of the things I really [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► liked about this book is ok first off [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► Neil Gaiman is a really good writer [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► let's just say yeah well he's either [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► that's a given let's just put that you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► enter that into evidence [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► well there are a lot of successful [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► people were big fan followings I'm not [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► naming names who are even even something [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► like george RR martin who has got a lot [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► of things going for people whose books I [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► like we don't need to talk about like [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► feed and things like that people whose [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► books i like but I read them i think [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► well I like the idea is more than I like [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► the actual writing right real game is a [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► good writer yeah and sometimes the words [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► are to the you know to the service of [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► the book we you don't stop and reread [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► that particular turn of phrase for [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► example and there's nothing wrong with [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► that either plenty of books i read where [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► it's like I've died like the story like [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the characters not really paying a lot [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► of attention the writing but like that [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► that that is sort of that's like gravy [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► for me like if you know and sometimes it [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► gets in the way like there are there [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► definitely writers who try too hard to [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► be like good like lyrical writers and [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► they that it just gets obfuscating in [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► terms of like the story but but his [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► stuff is subtle and not something you I [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► you know occasionally find myself [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► re-reading sentences and I'm realizing [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► that sir it's really really well-crafted [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► sentence did not show we necessarily no [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► no they're not just weren't but they're [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► there to the point and yet I think about [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► your laurita sensitive man if I wrote [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► that sounds that sounds would be like [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► super way boring way more boring [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► yeah if you wrote that particular [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► sentence you like punch the air and get [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► up and go with you I'll be like oh my [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► god i'm neil gaiman that's amazing but [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► yeah yeah he's a good writer and um and [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► then I like the tone of this book and [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► and I've seen their similar tones and [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► some of the other books that he's [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► written a lot of his books have this [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► kind of tone but I like that it's you [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► know it starts off as a memoir it turns [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► into sort of a fairy tale it never it [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► never seems even when it's sort of at [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► its most scary or at least has the most [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► plot complication by the antagonist of [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► the story [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► it never I don't know it always seems [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► kind of gentle I'll take issue with that [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► one particular scene but overall I think [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► I fair enough i think i'll see where I [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► see where you're going a reminder there [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► yes that's right the core there's a some [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► ugliness but around especially the first [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► part of it i mean yeah you really [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► essentially are reading his memoir and [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► until suddenly it becomes something [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► that's different but it's just it's i [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► don't know it was very pleasant to read [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► the whole experience was pleasant in in [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► all the settings and settings that it [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► took three did make me think that like [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► other you mention the memoir part like I [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► and knowing as much about neil gaiman as [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► i did because i have followed him for [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► many years and like personally like a [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► foam around now I because I because I've [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► read a lot of this stuff because i read [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► his blog i know a little bit about you [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► know his life whatever shares in the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► internet and so knowing that stuff it [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► was very interesting to read and try to [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► figure out how much of this is [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► influenced by you know his own life [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► because it's not hard to read into that [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► at least in the beginning you know that [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► there's they're certainly elements of [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► sure but yeah I thought that was I [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► thought that was interesting one and the [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► gentleness is what makes those horrific [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► moments stand out and makes them that [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► much more effective to because it's [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► almost like he's load you into this [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► just beautiful storytelling in this [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► beautiful setting and even when I mean [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► the characters are doing that too right [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► yeah the the family whose name now the [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► hem stocks right they [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► great they keep reassuring him to in his [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► flashbacks that it's gonna be okay just [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► hold my hand everything's going to be [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► fine and so not only is the writer and [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► the tone of the book reassuring you the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► characters are reassuring the the [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► protagonist it's gonna be okay don't [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► worry about it just hold on it's gonna [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► be fine [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► well I'm not that worried it's not gonna [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► be a problem [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► it's fine and then enforce it it's not [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► entirely five break when it's a way of [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► getting him through it and even at the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► end when he gets through in a different [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► trying not to spoil anything but again [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► it comes back to the reassurance and the [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► yes of course that's exactly how it went [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► yes it's okay the the writer reminded me [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► the most of the book that reminded me [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► the most up was actually ray bradbury [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► something wicked this way cause like [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► yeah there's a very similar tone to that [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► book which is also sort of about dealing [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► with that childhood not quite the cusp [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► of childhood but like there's an element [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► of being a kid and being exposed to [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► these fantastical elements and you know [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► I think we all it's always interesting [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► to read a book from the perspective of a [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► child especially like fancy books like [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► this because i don't know about you guys [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► but I kind of really putting myself back [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► in the you know in the mindset of [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► feeling like a kid again and thinking [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► about how when you're a kid how real all [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► those things are to you and so there's a [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► lot of the book which for me at least [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► the first half or so I reading through [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► like well there's a lot in here that you [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► can kind of you could almost rationalize [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► in a very logical like real world kind [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► of way like there are real-world events [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► that might cause a child to you know [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► imagine these types of things compounded [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► with you know something bad happening [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► right like their traumatic events for [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► example that could happen and how that [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► might turn into a different sort of [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► story in your head as a child thinking [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► about it that are very different from [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► the perspective of being an adult which [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► is why you know when we sort of lead [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► into the book it starts with the adult [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► and then regreses back to the kid for it [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► so I I thought that was very interesting [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► very [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► all done because it when you are kid all [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► that stuff is so real to you like I mean [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► being a kid you know if the idea of like [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► a monster under your bed or something [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► like that right like that is that is [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► real tangible thing to you as a child in [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► a way that doesn't really make sense [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► into even looking back from an adult [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► like oh how could I have even believe [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► that but at the time it doesn't matter [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► right like it's true as far as you're [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► concerned because it has an effect on [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► you so I think he's great at capturing [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► that element of you know how real and [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► visceral these things feel as a child [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► and just the idea of the unexplained [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► should we fire off the spoiler horn and [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► talk about this a little more detail [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► go for it [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► right now I had so let me let me visit I [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► was just saying it but in like concrete [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► terms okay yeah i'm laying on me so you [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► know we have to deal with the the fact [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► that this this this kid basically she's [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► like a dead body right like that's the [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► first sort of major thing that happens [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► in the book I feel like I mean and else [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► is a really horrific i mean like the [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► thing before before there's before [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► there's real magic right there is he [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► sees the well [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► oh yeah you're right though damn i mean [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► first off they may kill his kitten [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► yeah that God man attacks the cab driver [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► comes up and kills his kitten the new [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► larger it's like what got you a new cat [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► had like a million evil cat right now [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► cat and his little black kitten honest [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► with you mind that that's so sad because [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► as I grew I grew up with cats and we [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► were right on the highway and the cats [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► didn't last very long i have I I cannot [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► tell you how many kind of forward of [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► things in my childhood I can mark by the [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► death of an animal like that that might [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► you know my cats that when they were hit [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► by a car on the highway just awful and [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► so that really hit home and that's [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► before even the larger and kills himself [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► out by the end of the lane right well [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► and that to me that element i mean i [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► didn't i did not have pets going up and [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► the closest I got was like a friend of [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► mine got a cat like a kitten and his mom [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► was like oh well you know like you don't [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► get to have a cat like a parent watching [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► very carefully you can like have like [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► part-owner so you can like come over and [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► visit the cat and like and then they had [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► to put the cat to sleep like two weeks [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► later because I always and I was like [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► three probably a really good thing that [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► I didn't have a cat because that would [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► just like broken me as a child but like [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► but your he writes about it so so [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► pointedly that you can't help that [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► something was like I couldn't help but [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► feel like this happened like it out real [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► but it's almost rolled dollars yeah wait [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► for me to where it's like you start the [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► story and it's like here's a boy and he [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► had a perfectly ordinary childhood and [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► he had a cat and the cat was crushed by [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► a cab driver because their parents had [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► to rent out rooms because they're you [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► know they they didn't have the money [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► like wow whoa nobody came to his [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► birthday party and nobody comes to a [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► birthday party just him [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► yeah very rolled all right i mean i [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► always go back to change the gigantic [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► that's it that's it that's it [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► informative book for me [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► and.and I read some of these books and [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► every time i get there i get a little [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► sensitive and sponge and spiker and I [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► gah it's doing that and then their [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► parents were eating at the zoo and admit [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► I got some of that from the ocean at the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► end of the line and you know he has to [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► give up his bedroom [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► it's not just oh yeah he has to give up [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► the bedroom that was especially you know [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► to get the washbasin just his job for [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► him sleep and sleep in his sister's room [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► blue we see what I'm saying like in [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► terms of like the effects of something [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► that's real like so you know you feel [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► like with the dead body and then later [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► on there's in the other and i know this [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► is skipping around a little bit like the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► the antagonist of the book Ursula [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► Monkton moncton like you know so she [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► basically like his father basically has [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► an affair with her right like you can [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► almost see that as like in a real world [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► event that was viewed through the life [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► of a child she must be a monster because [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► she came in and broke up my family right [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► like and and that's the the line that it [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► walks that makes this so powerful for me [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► is like you know obviously not [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► everything is something that can be [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► explained rationally in this in this [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► story but there are like little touch [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► points of that where that line is very [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► permeable for children right the line [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► between reality and fantasy and [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► imagination and and I think that's he [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► does such a great job of capturing what [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► it's like to be a small child who has [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► that imagination especially because I [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► don't you guys but like identified with [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► him in terms of like you talk about him [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► read books all the time write like that [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► was me like growing up like I read books [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► like all the time I had my nose in a [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► book all the time and that's and that's [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► definitely how I felt at that point [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► about like the imagining all these [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► adventures and stories and great things [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► that I could go off and be doing and and [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► that is why it's such a such a great [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► piece of work in in terms of bringing [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► this character to life and that was to [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► call back to an earlier point that I [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► said about my cousin mention this book [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► to me he said he he explained he was [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► telling a friend about the book is like [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► I really love this book about this boy [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► you know and he has this interesting [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► experience as a kid and he goes through [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► some of it and his friend estimate its [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► voice name and he suddenly stopped and [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► realizes right action [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► wait hold on you never told us they like [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► and that's like but I didn't realize it [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► until I was [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► really acts asked about it like it [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► didn't register in my in my mind that [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► were never told what his name is right I [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► that's amazing [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► the framing sequence of this book to is [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► that he's in town for a funeral [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► I kind of assumed it's a funeral of one [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► of his parents as well now although it's [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► never made clear who [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► yeah uh which i think i kinda like and [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► given what we see about his parents and [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► and how Ursula Monkton and you know [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► basically inserts herself in this family [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► and you know have sex with the father [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► and and the and the narrator sees that [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► there's something going on there and you [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► could on one level blade say well it was [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► magic it's not his fault but what is [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► Ursula Monkton story she she wants [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► everybody to be happy [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► these horrible things that she does are [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► all actually trying to give people kind [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► of what they want which is even more [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► horrible but then so this family that's [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► had all this stuff i mean when we see [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► the framing sequence we're seeing that [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► he's an adult now and so presumably one [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► of his parents has died and he's [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► avoiding going to the reception have to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► the after the bear held by instead going [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► to this this house at the end of the [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► lane then and then we find out that he's [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► gone there will be several times really [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► his life but never remembers which is I [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► mean I literally I this never used to [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► happen to me I used to be you know stoic [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► all my life I mean I credits me come [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► home when I was seven I cried at the end [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► of Wrath of Khan and we're not even when [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► Spock dies it's when Kirk's voice goes [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► his was the most here right yeah it's [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► just okay i'm done right [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► yeah and and I cried when they did the [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► memorial special after Jim Henson passed [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► away and that you know they do the big [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► song at the end of just one person [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► believes in you long enough and strong [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► enough to call God you know you know but [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► aside from that nothing nothing got me [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► Bambi nothing Old Yeller dog bad i just [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► i right [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► but just I'm sorry thanks them any sense [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► more editing work for me them also use [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► it wasn't me [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► usually I'm worried about that but yeah [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► after I had children I think was we had [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► the first one for a couple months and I [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► just needed something to read because [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► you know I hadn't read books in awhile [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► this year it's just baby baby baby oh [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► baby and i read this Batman no man's [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► land by graça that's great I loved [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► acting [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► oh yeah and there's the adaptation of [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► that arc in the graphic novels and it [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► gets to the subplot where the Joker's [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► kidnapped all the newborn baby boys in [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► Gotham and is going to kill them one by [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► one and I'm sitting there just tears [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► pouring down my face and going this is a [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► bad man novel what is wrong with me [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► and ever since then I much more [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► sensitive to things like that and the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► end of this book i read the last two [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► chapters with tears just pouring down my [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► face not you know I'm not having [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► hysterics may be quiet but just I [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► couldn't stop and you know then it was [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► just sort of like I described last night [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► as the this sort of full chest feeling [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► of sorrow and joy and redemption and [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► sadness and you know just all-in-one and [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► you know the thought that you know it's [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► almost it's almost going back to wrinkle [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► in time it's as if Charles Wallace [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► didn't come back and saved the rest of [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► them if that makes sense [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► Yeah right right yes yeah it you're [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► right because it's that sacrifice of the [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► one who spoons special and has the most [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► special talent to save everybody else in [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► this case to save the unnamed narrator [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► and you know so so having that echoing [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► for me was kinda weird to like oh my god [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► i was thinking of Florida rings during [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► when when they explain what's happening [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► with letty at the end of this book where [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► she's been attacked and [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► is dying and I I think it's the you know [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► it's so see metaphors there in the ocean [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► they're going off and the seabed might [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► be back but the the ocean is the [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► universe right it looks like you you [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► don't recognize her when she comes back [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► if she comes back i just love the the [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► one line that i felt like i should have [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► important i was reading this in [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► hardcover so it's harder to highlight [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► things but the one that I remembered was [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► that the the narrator asks her at one [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► point he says but how old are you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► she says 11 he says how long have you [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► been 11 [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► yeah what a great line the light falls [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► yes that that's a sense for a long time [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► yeah so i mean her little brother is [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► jeff t yeah well see that's I I felt [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► like Ray Bradbury but i also got a lot [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► of Harlan Ellison in this well Neil [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► Gaiman I mean this is his yeah right i [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► mean it's that it's that it's magical [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► but it's it's it's not grounded [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► yeah exactly right it's grounded yeah in [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► a way that a lot of the the Harlan [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► Ellison stuff is and I mean that's why [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► Neil Gaiman Harlan also know i mean i [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► think you know know each other pretty [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► well and I mean but here they are very [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► similar in in some ways and very [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► different mothers [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► even Neil Gaiman seems very gentle and [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► not but up although i will take as i [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► mentioned that one seal i was reading [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► this out on the docket our lake and uh I [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► got to the bathtub scene and so the [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► scene in which his father basically [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► tries to drown trying to drown him yeah [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► and I finished reading that and I close [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► the book and just sort of give a visit [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► like a audible like you know I had to [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► stop at that was like the end of my [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► first sort of you know sitting reading [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► it because it's just I could I needed to [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► breathe after that right like it was so [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► well done and so affecting of you know [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► why I can imagine it right but like you [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► know the idea of your father trying to [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► drown you like it is terrifying and but [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► you know that that element of being a [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► kid and being not having control right [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► and not having and something has entered [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► your world and it's change your world [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► and you don't like what's happened right [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► fundamentally that's what Ursula Monkton [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► is that she's invested their house but [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► she's she's causing change and it's [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► changed that the about this boy you know [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► for lots of good reasons doesn't like [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► but you can see the the metaphor there [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► yeah absolutely i just did but it's just [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► it was so affecting i had to put it on [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► ya and that almost never happens to me I [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► almost always you know so like yeah I've [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► more stoic probably the day it's park [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► yeah but like that but no idea that was [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► it was a visceral like I need to set [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► this aside for you know what our two [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► before I can go back to reading it [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► because that just that was that was [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► pretty brutal [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► so can I talk about cats [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► we'll just we'll just turn around and [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you guys I'm not even about this book [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► looks just like cats you know if they're [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► so soft and no in there are some their [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► cats in this book and it and it's not [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► just the poor kitten and the mean cat [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► that's the replacement for his poor kid [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► 2010 Fresh perplex the field but they've [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► got the they've got the the this kitten [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► that they find in the other you know [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► fairy world basically where they go and [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► it comes back with them and it's just [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► kind of flips around in between and in [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► and it looks a lot like this kid many [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► have the died it's another black kitten [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► and it appears at various points and out [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► at one point at the end I think there's [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► a statement about him [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► him bringing back a kitten at some point [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► is gonna get his childhood and I just I [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► I don't have a whole like deep meaning [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► of what the kitten is other than then I [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► really liked that there's this idea [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► first off that there was this cat that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► was special to him and then the [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► replacement was not acceptable and then [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► also that cats are are these kind of [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► mysterious and semi magical creatures [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► and they there they don't even come from [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► where you think they come from they come [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► from this other land where they just [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► kind of appear and and i I just I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► enjoyed that because it was just this [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► element that is that recurs that was fun [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► and and I as a as a boy you know when I [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► was a boy I really liked cats and we had [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► we had cats out you know because I grew [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► up in the country and we have less [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► outside cats and so that so that really [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► resonated with me that this is a boy [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► who's growing up and he has this cat and [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► then and then the cats kind of recur [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► which is just [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► it's such a funny little thing we didn't [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► have spawned the way accounts we had an [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► ocean ocean we had three cats at any [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► given time all through my childhood and [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► and we and we were kinda out in the [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► country in Florida but after after i [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► left Florida didn't have cats until I [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► got married and moved out here because [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► my wife was are always a dog person and [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► then we accidentally became cat owners [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► and she just fell lock stock and barrel [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► for cats and now we have three cats go [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► figure [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► so it's sort of like it was the same [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► kind of thing for me was like they're [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► very comforting essence and I like me [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► back my childhood and I like the idea to [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► the cats are they are you know these [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► particular Creek particularly or unworld [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► otherworldly let's say creatures that's [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► that works in fact that we have some [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► magical kind of strange they come and go [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► where do they go we don't know [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► yeah you suddenly just reminded me in i [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► believe in terry pratchett swirled cats [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► can see the colour of magic like [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► naturally with humans can see which is [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► interesting interesting to me because of [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► course Terry Pratchett neil gaiman also [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► friends and collaborators [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► yeah but there is there is definitely [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► that you're totally right about that [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► there is something about the cats that [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► like like children is that that wine is [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► permeable for them what it's amazing to [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► watch them in and if you want the long [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► enough to see them looking at things and [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you can't you have no idea what they're [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► looking at you are they looking at dust [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► motes floating in sunlight [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► I don't know but there's nothing there [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► there's nothing on the wall [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► what are you doing there reading your [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► soul there can't reaches up and slaps [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► the wall and you go okay magic if you're [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► just tuning in this is the cat fanciers [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► episode of and council podcast it's the [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► cast now it's a podcast about it's a pod [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► cat my cat cats for cats there cats [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► funny cats listen to podcasts [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► you'd be surprised and probably will [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► need to press well most cats don't but [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► those who have jobs and have to drive a [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► car to ease you into my award-winning [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► short story the cat who listen to [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► podcasts [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► no what award did that win that one cat [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► fancy podcast of the year award that [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► related word I knew it I knew it has [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► asked cats a script by name [TS]

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00:29:30 ◼   ► I mean there's the there's there's a lot [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► in this you know less than 200 pages i [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► like the scene where they wear Letty [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► forms [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► the circle draws the circle which is a [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► no-good magic kind of thing to do and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► tells the boy stay in here and you know [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► he learned his lesson right that when [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► she said always hold my hand and he lets [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► go for a minute and you know which worm [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► thing goes into his foot [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► i wiii i did you know that was great [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► about because i was reading through that [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► and I was thinking that that seems that [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► same scene i was thinking there's going [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► to be the point where the monsters show [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► up as Letty and try to convince him to [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► go out of the circle [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► I want him to be smart enough not to [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► fall for that and he doesn't and i was [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► so happy about that because I'm like if [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► i can think of it this boy can think of [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► it right like he's a smart kid we've [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► learned that like he's made mistakes but [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► like he's in you know he sort of has [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► bought into the world and understands [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► kind of how things are working now and [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► so I liked that he he didn't leave the [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► circle because that is like a lot of [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► books that would have been like all [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► right now we're off on another set of [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► adventures but in this one like he [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► learned his lesson [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► another good lesson you learned his [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► lesson i just read i was just reading [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► them send Sandman preludes nocturnes and [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► apparently key scene there were a circle [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► is accidentally don't break those [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► circles broken open and that it's bad [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► things for the people who broke breaker [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the circle circle stream is on the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► inside now we can get out but here this [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► is this is his he learned he he made the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► mistake of letting go of her hand at the [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► beginning and here he knows that he [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► needs to sit there but what's tough [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► about that situation what's so [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► interesting about in the dark outside [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► the house is that he has to be alone and [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► he can't make them go away all he can do [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► is sit there and take it and so he's [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► visited and he has to sit there and take [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► it and he has to sit and take his [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► temptations and abuse and he end and the [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► sort of dashing of his hopes and he has [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► to just sit there he learned his lesson [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► and so he does and that's what saved his [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► life and and one of the things that [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► school is you know like when his father [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► comes out and his sister comes out you [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► don't know if those are really them but [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► it could be right because they could [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► come out and be like why are you out [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► here in the backyard [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► yeah yeah I was that was it or was it or [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► was it who knows because they could have [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► been under the under the spell of evil [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► Ursula Monkton to the house the whole [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► thing where the house [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► just in the house is a threat and you [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► know nobody believes the whole thing [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► where the mother doesn't believe him and [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► his sister doesn't believe him and and [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► that was again I was having those and [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► sponge and spyker kind of moments of [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► just like this poor oh this poor kid he [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► knows the truth but nobody will believe [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► him and it's just so you know it it it's [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► a classic thing but it's just it was so [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► well done i gotta say I really loved [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► there are some funny points too [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► surprisingly the cart they got me [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► actually made me laugh out loud was the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► scene where his parents come to collect [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► them from the have stocks and this [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► imagine your toothbrush [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► he's like picturing and picturing it and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► I'm like what does have to do and then [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► they kind of distract you and then like [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► they pull out the and you put thanks for [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► bringing his toothbrush and like the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► father kind of puzzle bleep rope pulls [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► the truth project this pocket I was like [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► that's a mitt like you such a good job [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► of the misdirection in the Senate [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► everything there i laughed out loud at [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► the ohio i guess i have his toothbrush [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► in my pockets like is I see what you did [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► there and that's and that's interesting [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► magic because it doesn't play on are all [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► the things we know about magic instead [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► they're like stitching together like [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► reading reality it's so mundane is not [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► known which is hilarious [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► yeah they're just doing their work and I [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► ki think I can do this I can put this [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► together and they're reading the fabric [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► of reality but they're not casting [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► spells or anything at some point he says [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► are you [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► you know gonna do a spell or something [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► or like something else like that no we [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► don't do that but they they do succeed [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► in changing the parents memories and and [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and making the toothbrush like appear or [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► retro actively be brought or whatever [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► this result like a doctor who moment [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► there yeah oh yeah one I love the moment [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► where he's being chased by the vultures [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► of the void and that you know they start [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► to attack and then it goes into [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► parentheses and italics where he feels [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► the sensation of dying he feels the [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► sensation of the culture ripping his [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► heart out [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► oh yeah and and then oh yeah and then [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► all of a sudden it's nip and [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► everything's the seams came together and [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► suddenly he's fine and let is on top of [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► him and he set that up so beautifully by [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► doing the earlier thing of talking about [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► how they stitched together things and [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► snip here and snip there and put it back [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► together almost like a film [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► and but he doesn't make a big deal of it [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► in that moment it's just you have to [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► remember that right but afterward they [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► make it clear that they basically went [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► back and fixed it so he didn't get torn [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► up into little pieces [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► yeah but it's so beautiful gasps oh I'm [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► and part of the reason i love this and [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► I'll say this is maybe my favorite thing [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► of his I've ever read [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► um because I I like bits and pieces of [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► american gods but I don't like american [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► gods [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► it's just too long and and I like a [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► Nancy boys but and i love the graveyard [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► book um but this is just the right [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► length it it really couldn't be shorter [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► but it really couldn't be longer and I [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► mean there's no padding there's no fat [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► in this book it's just everything is [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► right there and it's done and it's just [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► beautiful [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► oh yeah I don't know I've read [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► everything I was looking through the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► front of the book where has the also by [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► Neil Gaiman list I've read everything in [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► that list is the for adults and i have [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► read many of the things in the for all [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► ages they're not most of the illustrated [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► stuff honestly and I've red Sandman [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► which is salmon may still be my favorite [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► because i like those long epic things [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► and Sandman is is amazing in terms of [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► its ability to weave all these men you [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► know huge amounts of genres together and [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► it's so varied and so amazing and there [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► are there are episodes there are issues [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► of that than my mind are almost like [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► almost a perfect almost a perfect story [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► in my regards [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► so I will but I i love this as well and [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► I I like almost everything he's written [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► i have enjoyed almost everything that [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► he's written some of it I you know some [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► of it sticks better than others in my [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► head but I think he's amazing as an [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► author I can turn one of those gushing [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► podcast i know that's the people the [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► people who like us to love things will [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► love this episode the people who like us [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► to tear things apart will be very sad [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► I i did not like American my love I left [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► American Gods I like tonight is great i [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► I didn't think I like well it wasn't too [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► long there was two there were probably [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► some chapters in there that weren't [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► necessary that's problem [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► true but I liked it a lot i I really [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► enjoyed that I just read never where I [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► like never wear and I liked it is fun [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► IIF I read it I haven't seen the TV the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► TV mini-series this we definitely has [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► aged poorly well so there's things that [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► are great about it and there are things [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► that are weird about it and it [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► definitely is low budget and what was [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► odd about never wears the stories that [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► started as the TV [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► yeah and then he injected into a novel [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► which is very odd but some of the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► performances in there are fantastic the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► guy who plays the Marquis is great and [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► that that will that I think that 10 so [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► Harrison Joseph was great in that he's [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► fantastic was rumored at one point to be [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► a doctor in the lander eleventh Doctor [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► contender and of course islington the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► angel is Peter Capaldi yes in radio [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► adaptation they did this year [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► benedict cumberbatch andy him mrs. [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► Lincoln yeah I mean listen I had not [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► listened to that but I i really i love [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► the book I thought he does it again that [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► is such an interesting because it that's [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► really about the permeation between the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► lines of reality and fantasy right like [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► very very strongly delineating there and [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► that's kind of weird game and lives [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► right like that's his that's his wheel [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► her but that was also every having read [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► them in the reverse of how when they [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► were written i also have enjoyed the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► city in the city [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► china mieville kind of feeling with a [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► with me everywhere because it's that and [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► I know that there are others navel [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► drawing a book called on London they're [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► a bunch of urban fantasy books that play [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► this trope now but it's almost like you [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► know game and got there a little while [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► before this latest wave with never wear [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► where it is the there's the London you [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► know and then there's the magical London [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► that's living you know underground [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► mostly but just you know in parallel [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► with what's happening on the what we [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► regular people think of us as London and [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► uh yeah i like i like it a lot is Nancy [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► boys is fine i always remember too well [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► that the story of Anansi the spider was [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► something that I really remember clearly [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► learning in childhood [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► yeah and so to see that and that's [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► essentially you know spin-off of [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► American Gods uh but and I liked it but [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► I loved american gods and the graveyard [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► book now that is a book that's just [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► amazing that is a that [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► is a great piece of work that might be [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► that might be my favorite of his uh and [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► and you know the fact that it's [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► essentially a young adult book but and [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► he front loads it with the worst part [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► the murder happens at the very beginning [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► and everything else after that it's not [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► so bad it's not that murder that [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► happened at the beginning where the kids [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► parents get killed get stabbed by the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► guy with the big knife man after that [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► it's just ghosts and friendly ghosts and [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► yeah it's fine but that beginning you [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► know that's a yeah he's had an [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► interesting career has me he's got his [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► screenplays and he's got his comics and [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► he's got stories and he's got a young [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► adult and juvenile fiction and then he's [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► got adult fiction he is all over the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► Miriam ask ya so imagine [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► yeah they're so there's a lot there [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► without i have good omens and I haven't [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► read it that I would only ask you that [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► that was the first real game and thing [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► i've ever read because i was huge terry [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► pratchett fans starting back in cheese I [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► must have been like 10 or something i [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► started reading terry pratchett and and [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► somehow i came across that when I was [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► like well there's this other guy right [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► to terry pratchett maybe this will be [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► good though and i actually have a my [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► copy of that is autographed by both of [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► them because i saw them in close [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► succession you notice my old like [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► dog-eared paperback of them but they it [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► was it still feels cool to me they have [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► like that I love that book it's just [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► it's it's such a fascinating melange of [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► the two writers out there but there's [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► parts of that book that stick with me to [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► this day even though i haven't read it [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► in like 15-20 years probably but yeah [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► and there's some line about like a guy [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► with a is his wound from Nam was acting [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► up and there's a footnote it's like he'd [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► gone to be at nam and slipped in the [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► shower or something like that but that's [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► a very terry pratchett but like it's [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► still like it was its just oh it's a [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► lovely book about the apocalypse [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► so yeah I again i'm a huge fan of of i [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► have I think devoured almost everything [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► that he's written at least four adults [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► mostly young adults i have to the [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► volumes of absolute sandman sitting on [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► my bottom shelf and some day will come [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► not a collection but those aren't cheap [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► no they're not like a hundred bucks a [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► shot well you feel you can figure out [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► how to do it right you can get a little [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► bit cheaper than that but still he asked [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► they're expensive [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► yeah but they're gorgeous it's the only [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► tough part with them is like it's hard [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► to read because it's like they're so big [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► it's like the giant heart like you know [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► 10-pound hardcover books and you're like [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► all right it's not exactly something [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► like take on the train for like what [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► yeah I've got the absolute watch men and [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► it's the same thing is it's great but [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► it's it in Norma's the coffee table 10 [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► ya light light on the caption balancing [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► on your chest and wake up just before it [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► kills you when you fall it falls on your [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► face [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► actually yes that's basically it so what [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► else what else to say about ocean at the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► end of the lane before we move on you [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► have any any other the scene we didn't [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► touch upon which i really like to my [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► cousin actually was saying it was his [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► favorite teen was the scene where they [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► bring the ocean to him and he goes into [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► the illusion right yeah that's that's [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► that that's the premise of that I mean [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► the story it's the title and it's the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► idea that she calls it upon our notion [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► even though it's just a pond and then we [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► you know we we finally see we get the [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► payoff of you know that had just how [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► this thing is an ocean when he's he's in [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► it and he has to go in there there are [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► they going to put a minute to protect [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah yeah and he but he can [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► see and he knows everything in the [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► universe right yeah but if he was going [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► to stay there [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► the longer he would stay there the more [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► diffuse he would become until he was no [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► longer a person or being or a an [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► intelligence who just be spread out [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► yeah you can you can't know everything [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► in the universe without just being the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► universe so you have to you'll you'll [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► you know you like a little alka-seltzer [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► pillage could get out of there is really [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► just dissolve away and that and then of [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► course that's what at what happens when [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► a lady is you know she has to go off i [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► like to that the the family came from [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► across the ocean to the old country [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► yeah so that that's that that that's a [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► nice bit of mythology that if the ocean [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► is essentially the universe that they [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► are from somewhere else and I you know I [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► without there's a lot of that just now [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► touches where it's not overbearing and [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► it's not full of detailed you know well [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► we came from this place and all that [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► it's just like they're from somewhere [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► else you get it but if anybody needs any [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► more than that [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► what's wrong what's funny to me is that [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► there's you know we're talking about [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► your practice i can go and there's the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► old mrs. hemp stock character is very [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► reminiscent to me of so there's there's [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► a series of terry pratchett about these [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► witches including a Granny Weatherwax [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► was like the oldest of old witches and [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► like there's not there's some there's [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► something there with those two [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► characters in some ways they're very [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► similar very built from the same mold [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► these like the wise old women who are [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► kinda kinda Reverend at the same time [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► kinda catchy but like you know clearly [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► incredibly powerful and I think that's [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► that there's interesting something in [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► there and also the fact that you know so [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► many of the characters someone mentioned [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► so many it i think it's one of the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► blurbs here I thought that was [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► interesting is someone comments and all [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► thinking all the women are brilliant and [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► I was like this is interesting that this [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► is this is a book that that very much [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► revolves around female characters [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► despite the the antagonist being a boy [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► but female characters certainly make up [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► the ball I mean the only other male [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► characters i can think of are the father [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► and the Minor Roger yeah and yeah he [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► doesn't last very long new but yeah and [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► even the father who spends most of the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► book being sort of a pond of Ursula [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► Monkton right so that's you know that's [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► an element to he asks the narrator asks [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► them about the about the women are made [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► about the men are there are there men [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► around there like why would we yes yes [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► why we need them [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► Willingham sometimes but they go away [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► again we only need men to make more men [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► yeah yeah I was there why would we want [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► to do that and get point it know it [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► struck me reading the acknowledgments we [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► talked about how he wrote it and he goes [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► into how each night he would read it [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► aloud in bed to his wife and he he [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► learned and discovered more about the [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► words while he was reading them aloud [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► and that had never happened to him [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► and I think that really comes through [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► that's that's part of why it just sound [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► you know it's yeah and I mean I do that [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► all the time as a playwright because i'm [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► writing for things to be spoken aloud [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► and so it was really neat to see how [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► this kind of shifted because it does [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► feel different to me from some of his [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► other novels and I don't know if that's [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► it or if it's the just that the narrator [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► is supposed to be a child but he's [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► written from children's point of views [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► before so that area is not child though [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► the narrator is an adult for calling [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► being right right right not like the [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► same next write the same i don't know I [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► i read a few chapters of one of my [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► novels while we were my wife and I were [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► driving back from LA to San Francisco [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► and the car radio was broken and she had [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► been reading this novel written so I [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► just was reading chap the next chapters [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► boy was that and I mean honestly time [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► it's a humbling experience [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► what an incredible thing to do because [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► all of your weaknesses are laid bare [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► when you read 11 I I once tried to [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► record an audio book of one of my novels [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► and like could not record the first [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► chapter because i kept changing like no [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► got that sounds terrible have to change [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► that like and then you get to the point [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► where it's like all right [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► even this is gonna take a ton of editing [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► oh I've gotta like go through read it [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► all out change everything then go get [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► back and reread it and recorded but then [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► I'm probably just gonna find more stuff [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that i need to change but it does your [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► words take on a totally different [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► character when they're spoken aloud like [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► the hay singh and that you mean you know [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► this but like you know the pacing in the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► and where you take poz with them on the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► rhythm yeah and all this the sound [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► yeah well one of the things I love i'll [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► find a link to this for the show notes [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► because it's it is a lot of fun to read [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► Elmore Leonard has these ten rules of [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► writing and I don't have them memorized [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► but they're fantastic and there he is [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► right i mean they work their one of them [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► is you know nobody expressed relates [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► they said just say I know I know he's [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► got the central I've heard that one you [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► know and they didn't say it explicitly [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► they just said it [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► you don't need your adverbs let the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► adverbs go you know and then when you [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► need one [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► it's there and it's effective because he [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► does he use adverbs every now and then [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► just not very much and it really helps [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► with that rhythm and it really helps [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► with you know because a lot of the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► things we add in to sound smart when [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► we're writing he would never say out [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► loud you know and and when you strip all [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► those things away suddenly have [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► something that just it sounds real one [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► of the things that bugs me in reading [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► dialog is when people address each other [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► by names a lot and then like that always [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► sounds fake to me yesterday and yes [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► exactly convenient [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► I know what yes Jason Jason I understand [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► what you're saying Jason but Jason's I [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► don't think you're fully thinking this [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► through Jason I don't think i am and it [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► feels weird for me just like I'm saying [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► guy but like which is interesting when [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► applied to this book where we have a [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► character who never gets named right [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► like that's kind of on the other end of [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► the spectrum but it works right like [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► it's at the hem stocks get named the ham [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► stock Sanderson to get named the opal [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► miner the father insisted the mother [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► nobody else is only half sister doesn't [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► have a name and it does she [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► yeah not that's not even occur to me [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► until writer that's amazing yeah like [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► that singular way it doesn't it's not it [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► doesn't bother me registers a lot of [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► books in which you would be like what [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► the heck is this guy's name already but [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► like you know I haven't seen that that [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► so effectively pulled off since fight [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► club so the ocean at the end of the lane [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► has already been optioned by Tom Hanks's [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► production company play tone and then [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► he'll make a great little boy [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► yeah that's right to be great now the v [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► well Tom Hanks's company which which [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► obviously was one of the co-producers of [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► like band of brothers and from the earth [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► to the moon and they're making they're [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► the ones who are making American Gods is [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► an HBO series [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► mhm and then they are also doing [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► apparently for a feature a option to [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► this so that's why i think a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► pre-existing relationship there I the [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► the less the new story I've got on this [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► is from februari so obviously there you [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► know there's there's more purple an [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► introduction and the options it's [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► interesting options don't always mean [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► always filigree lights but that's [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► interesting that the dead but that's [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► where it is and yet you know again 200 [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► less than 200 pages [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► this is the kind of story that you do [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► want to make a movie out of because you [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► don't have to drop you know seventy [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► percent of it in order to get online and [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► Game of Thrones or flipping through the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► pages really fast like a harry potter [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► book where it's like now just supposed [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► to say then over here you know I've [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► argued for years the that a short story [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► makes a better movie than a novel right [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► because a novel is kind of it and short [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► story every word has to count movies are [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► short stories you're exactly stories TV [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► shows and movies TV shows novels example [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► comic books [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► yeah yeah movies are short stories and [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► so adapting short stories are in this [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► case it's a short novel makes a lot of [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► sense and he's got another let and knew [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► not the lie T and it's novel ish it's [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► establish a novel is it novel is it new [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► was their novelty little think there was [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► a novelty of it yeah course it's novel [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► ask its novel ask excellent well before [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► before we go I want to ask you gentlemen [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► the musical question that's not actually [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► musical but i like to ask and whenever [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► we talk about books which is what are [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► you reading i'm kind of curious what [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► other you look what are you reading [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► oh yeah we should get lex friedman to do [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► a jingle for what are you reading he [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► would totally do that then we could play [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► it because it would be we would want to [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► listen to it but he would do it for us [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► just imagine your head with nobody has [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► to do it because then we'll have to play [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► I personal various it's it's nice [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► because we read lots of things we did [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► this was a short book i'm sure there Dan [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► even mentioned that he had been reading [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► another book before he started reading [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► the ocean available and i started [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► reading another book directly after [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► finishing the ocean and you just tearing [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► it up on vacation i tell you i'd like [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► that especially when there's no internet [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► i read like crazy [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► yeah that's book it's booked this my [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► family my family so we have this this my [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► uncle's got this place in the finger [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► lakes and there's no internet there in [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► the very little cell signal it makes up [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► made of it is haha my family which I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► mean is primarily made up of of [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► librarians and a lot of teachers and we [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► sit around and [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► read a lot and my my cousin's husband [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► once commented after like walking into a [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► room with like six people reading books [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► like man you must really drive your [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► neighbors crazy with that sound of [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► flipping pages then you can I come with [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► you to finger like sometimes like the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► pacification it's pretty awesome but I'm [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► not gonna lie it's great my god i love [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► it's very quiet and then yeah so I'm so [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► i finished you've been reading before [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► that I finish the second book in been [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► Aaron bitches rivers of London's here's [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► your urban fantasy 7 london i was gonna [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► drop his neighbor yes I read so I read [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► the rivers of London which i think is [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► marketed in the u.s. under a midnight [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► riot which is kind of a not as good [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► title in my opinion but I read the [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► second book which is called moon over [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► soho which I liked [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► I like those books they're they're not [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► they're not quite my favorite urban [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► fantasy book remains the guy carries [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► Felix caster series which is awesome and [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► this is this is fun but like doesn't [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► quite get up there for me i had been [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► part of the Felix caster what makes [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► those whose greatest they're basically [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► such a tone perfect noir set in London [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► acceptance imagine Philip Marlowe were [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► an exorcist in London look it's just [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► it's brilliant it's incredibly well done [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► but these are still fun and they're kind [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► of they deal with a young man who is a [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► police constable and in his first book [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► in the first book he encounters a ghost [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► and then somehow gets recruited to work [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► under the last sort of remaining wizard [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► who works for the Metropolitan Police [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► who is like a you know [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► Detective Chief Inspector and so he's an [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► apprentice wizard as everybody is also a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► police constable that's fun and then I [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► picked up before i left about a [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► paperback which had been a while I [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► realized end up on a paperback book and [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► so long that my ebooks have become my [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► paperbacks I'll still buy occasionally [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► books in hardcover like I bought the [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► neil gaiman book hardcover but if I want [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► some this kinda like the quick disposal [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► read like i usually buy books but about [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► a the back of the latest book in the in [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► nyomi Novak's Temeraire series my book [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► one of that [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► yeah my simple the latest one is called [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► crucible of gold about a dragon's [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► halfway to two-thirds of the way through [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► it probably I I read everything else in [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► the series but it's been many years [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► since i read the last one so i kind of [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► like but it's it's it's pretty good in [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► terms of the ability to sort of pick [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► it up even years later and be like oh [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► yeah I kind of remember who the main [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► characters this are in she's quite a [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► good writer and she does a great job of [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► capturing that sort of the other CS [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► forester Patrick O'Brien like elements [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► of the the swashbuckling nautical tales [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► but like she goes interesting places [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► with those books which I didn't think [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► that she would both quote-unquote [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► literally in terms of like they spend a [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► lot of time sort of globe-trotting as [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► well as they could have been just sort [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► of adventure fun series but she actually [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► gets into some issues that i thought [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► were really interesting in terms of like [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► well these dragons are sentient em are [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► they basically slaves like what's the [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► deal with that so it gets a little more [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► little more depth than I thought it [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► would originally and so this is like the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► sixth book in the series i think the [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► seventh one is coming out pretty soon so [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► those are fun enjoy them all right well [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► I've got the first one on my candle it's [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► ready to go i had enough people [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► recommended that i had to buy it [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► David what a what have you been reading [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► anything interesting [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► well I've been reading been doing [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► research for something that involves [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► magic and magicians [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► so what I'm not reading fiction reading [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► this book called slights of mind which I [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► know Lex Friedman has red actually [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► because we've talked about it and it's [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► about it's not just an optical illusion [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► but it's how illusions work and how our [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► minds try to rationalize them and [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► especially how we know that a magic [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► trick is a trick you know we know we're [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► being distracted and yet we still go for [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► we still accept it why and so it's [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► really interesting and it's it talks [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► with Penn & Teller a lot and a couple of [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► other magicians and pickpockets and so [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► it's really fascinating research then on [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► the fiction side I've got this book [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► called summer and bird by Catherine [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► Catmull which my friend who just read [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► ocean as well he said if you really like [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► the last two chapters of that [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► try reading a book that's all that right [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► oh my god you know it's a little more [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► poetic it's a little more fantasy [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► oriented than this necessarily but he [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► claims it's very much in line [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► that so I'm giving it a try and then [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► I've got the last policeman by Ben [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► winters sitting on my kindle which I i [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► think it one mystery award actually but [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► it's about a cop in it it's a [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► pre-apocalyptic story where they all [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► yeah there's like this this asteroid [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► coming that they know is going to hit [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► the earth and destroy it and so all [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► these people have you know quit their [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► jobs and they're going off to do [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► whatever they want in the last few [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► months before it hits and there's a [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► murder and this is his chance to step up [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► and be a policeman to be a real [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► detective instead of just a policeman so [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► he goes and tries to solve this murder [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► and it's the first of a trilogy and the [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► second one just came out apparently and [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► so again I've had you know like five or [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► six people including scott McNulty hated [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► the first one was very good and I was [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► like all right i'll give it a try i read [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► accelerometer by charles stross which I [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► really liked and charles stross is funny [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► because some of his stuff i really like [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► and some of the stuff leaves me kinda [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► cold his his halting state series that [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► set in the near future in Scotland an [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► independent Scotland as part of the EU [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► they're fine they don't really thrill me [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► I like Saturn's children which is his [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► wild sex pot takes a grand tour of the [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► solar system novel that was nominated [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► for Hugo accelerant oh I really liked it [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► so it's a little bit older [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► that's one of his more well-regarded [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► like that sort of one of his flagship [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► novel yeah it's really good i guess [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► published 2006 it does feel a little bit [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► the first few chapters he's doing a lot [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► of jargon that is recognizable uh that [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► that is cultural references and now [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► they're a little bit dated there seven [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► years dated uh but but as you might have [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► set it as you might guess from the title [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► things accelerate rapidly and you leave [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► the the weakest chapters that are set in [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► the near very near future behind and it [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► gets increasingly weird as it goes and [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► it tries to portray in a way that vernor [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► vinge e and a bunch of other writers [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► who've tried to [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► about the singularity when when [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► acceleration of human growth is a [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► exponential and it's like you could be [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► humans won't even be able to understand [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► it will be things will be advancing so [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► fast and and so if you can portray that [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► you're like all right i mean like one of [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► my favorite veggie novels he basically [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► just everybody ahead in time a hundred [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► years and there's nobody left in my cup [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► the singularity must happen to well and [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► then continue on right so in [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► acceleration dos tres actually like [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► shows you tries to show you what the [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► singularity would be like if you're a [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► person who was living through it and I [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► think he does a pretty good job it's not [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► I mean it's not perfect because it's a [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► very difficult concept he does have a [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► little bit of a plot to string you along [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► as well it does a lot of the same things [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► that I I sort of feel like Kim Stanley [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► Robinson was trying to do in his Hugo [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► nominated 2312 but what I really liked [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► about a XL Rondo and people i know who [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► listened to our Hugo cast know that I [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► didn't really like 2312 I don't like [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► accelerometer did all sorts of things [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► that that Kim Stanley Robinson just [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► failed to do with 2312 that for a guy [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► who gets tagged a lot of times as being [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► a strong as being a guy who's a you know [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► tech guy and he's more interested in a [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► lot of the technology stuff than the [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► than the people i think that's one of [TS]