Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► hello hi John John Ricca haha I'll just [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► say that so how do you feel about that [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► particular little hairpin in the career [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► of DL Roth how'd you feel about that [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► where's the stinky from the heat what's [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► it called loco del colle or what's the [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► name of it taco pasta crazy from the [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► heat crazy Oh del colle or David Lee [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► Roth official website how do I feel [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► about it how did I then or how do I feel [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► about it now well well oh goodness [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► can I close this tab um well here's what [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► you had you had you had the you had the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► van Halen like five really good albums [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► well you know for really good albums did [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► some good albums and then the DLR left [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► and Sammy Hagar asked the musical [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► question why can't this be love right so [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► I don't remember exactly what happened I [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► think there was some bad blood with that [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► word sugar and DLR DL Roth goes off on [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► his own and puts out low code el calor [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► and what were the hits you had counts of [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► California Gurls [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► yep it would be and and just a gigolo [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► slash I got nobody [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► yeah yeah those were the big hits [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► I I don't even think it was uh I don't [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► even think it was a full record was it [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► wasn't it like a big EP was it crazy [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► from the heat oh my goodness [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► oh my goodness no wait nevermind Oh Edom [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► and smile heatoman smile came in 1986 oh [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► my goodness you're so right okay okay [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► here we go we got 14 minute long record [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► oh my goodness 1406 temperament has his [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► imprimatur on that one too I mean think [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► about think about how many copies of [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► that EP sold right yeah every single [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► person started a cover band only a [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► thousand people ever bought it think [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► about that and think about this is the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► thing I've reflected on this before [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► which is that David Lee Roth did not [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► write any songs for this album right [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► they're all covers so how difficult [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► would it have been for him to make a [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► full-length album at this point he could [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► have just picked ten Tin Pan Alley songs [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► instead of four okay so he's got a cure [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► winter and Edgar Winter song and Edgar [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► Winter cover get a Louis Prima right [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► leave Prima cover you got a Beach Boys [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► cover get a cover of a song I've never [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► heard of by the lovin spoonful for songs [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► tour songs now why why didn't he do what [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► he do like good morning little [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► schoolgirl and some coverage for David [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► Lee Roth for dlr the man himself dl roth [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► to do yeah in 1984 released in 1985 I [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► think dem bones dem bones dem dry bones [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► got behind the list absolutely it's just [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► a strange it's a strange turn is all I'm [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► saying [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► it feels like a rush to market strategy [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► I think is the business term thing if I [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► want to get something out but [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► look at the personnel you look at the [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► personnel on this get Colson and [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► Christopher Cross in the studio Wow [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► well he have the power right mm-hmm this [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► is before he before he put together a [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► the band with Steve Vai let's see you [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► can eat him and smile yeah Yankee [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► woodsies see what I'm what I'm saying [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► though is that if you look at the five [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► greater let's say four great van Halen [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► albums with TLR every one of them's got [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► ice cream man or you know there's so [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► much of that stuff that would fit right [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► on eat him and smile or right on crazy [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► from the heat David was chomping at the [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► bit I think this is one of those you [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► know the way the way Lennon talks about [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► McCartney where he's like by the time I [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► got to the end [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► mmm-hmm I just knew exactly what he was [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► gonna play at all times it was just he [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► thought he thought he thought McCartney [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► was corny yeah and I think that I think [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► that Eddie Van Halen from the very [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► beginning was like this guy is such [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► cheeseball David always wanted to put [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► more accordion in the thing eventually [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► he was like I got a I got to do this [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► myself I got to get out there and put on [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► a show for people and have fun he's John [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► Roderick DL Roth is above all a showman [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► a show man in the business that is show [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► you know you cannot keep that man in a [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► box the answer to DL are in a box is not [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► a bigger box let that man out of his box [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► cuz he's got to show and he did girls [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► wouldn't that when that video came out [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► it encapsulated the 80s it really did [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► that was peak eighties so DL are on the [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► beach with all that and you know and [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► like shameless [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► it was so shameless just my math here [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► but it had a lot of girls in bikinis was [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► that right girls in bikinis there was a [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► lot of fisheye lens shots mmm there was [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► it was just like a costume parade it was [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► a it was like a day at Venice Beach I [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► don't know there was a [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► of the 80s let's say the version of the [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► 80s that that was the that was the peak [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► moment of it [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► peek mid 80s I'm gonna peg to either [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► that or you spin me round' by dead her [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► life oh well see yeah sure that was one [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► of the first well excluding Bananarama [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► which we really haven't talked enough [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► about excluding Bananarama that's when [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► the stock Aitken Waterman thing I think [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► that might have been their first essay [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► w's first big hit was around and then [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► they kind of owned it for a couple years [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► everything with bump bump bump I don't [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► know but was all octaves everywhere I [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► listened to a yeah I listened to that [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the other day I listened to the single [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► version which I liked but I listened to [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► an extended it starts out mostly [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► instrumental and you know that thing [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► when they do a remix oh just makes it a [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► long version where they would have part [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► of the vocals and the vocals would be [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► echoey and they call it a remix but man [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► that is that is a Swiss clock of [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► sequencing that's some nice ass sequence [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► anyway I'm taking off your topic but [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► that was a pivot point in the mid 80s I [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► think was you spin me around but you [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► might be right you might be right about [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► um about el loco del Colle or that that [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► that in the break to like the break in [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► that in you spin me right round right [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► where it goes [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► that's very tough it's fun to play even [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► on acoustic guitar you go like you know [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► like a GCC or GDD you do like a little [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► walk down bump bump bump alright wait [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► witness an octave it's an octave [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► it's dr. VAR v boy that's an octave [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► anyway it's super fun to do but you do a [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► walk down it's basically it's basically [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► wipeout right it's why is the wipeout [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► walk down the wipeout walk down I can't [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► there's a there's there's a there's f1 [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► tune that also does that yeah they're [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► pretty well known one with that exact [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► same walk down in the same key I believe [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► pretty well yeah pretty well [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► Taurus I believe well who was the man [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► they ripped off was that Taurus Tarsus [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► Tarsus Tarsus his early stairway rip off [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► heaven never gonna give you up dude it [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► was s aw that was this aw you got Kylie [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► Minogue pump up the volume pump up the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► volume pump that maybe we should just [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► vocalize psaltery like from a low point [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that was the beginning of the end for me [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► that high energy high ass exactly that's [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► the genre this and our Jim yeah that was [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► for me there were that was where I [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► started to pop out of 80's pop Tom okay [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► pop cause it was it was so and I'm not [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► talking about you spin me round' because [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► that was still new wave it felt like [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► that was an exciting moment of new wave [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► that was well that was also it was with [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► his persona and video and the sound I [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► mean that was such a new sound that was [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I mean that did not sound like Shannon [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► that I'm trying to think of other bands [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► of that type but of that the high energy [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► stuff but it really though if he was [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► doing gender play two at a time when it [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► was like what's happening here it was [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► very exciting it was a lumberjack I mean [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► that guy was really swinging for the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► fences no you're probably right but then [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► you slide into you're sliding into 86 [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► which in some ways is if not a [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► high-water mark it's a mark but 1987 [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► things are starting to get pretty rough [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► 87 88 and 88 I feel like things really [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► 87 88 like under the surface of the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► water the Ducks feet are moving around [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► you're getting some Pixies action but [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► like but man a lot of bands really some [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► of their poorest work in 1987-88 I think [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► of that era as being Bon Jovi dominated [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► oh yeah right IANA steel horsey rides [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► like in excess kick [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► it was which I thought was a low point [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► it was it was Def Leppard's adrenalized [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► yeah it was all these bands that you [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► know that had that it started off kind [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► of sounding like teenage ac/dc and by [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► the end had become just like comedic [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► stadium rock that I just couldn't I [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► couldn't I I had to bail out of all of [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► that but it was also Peter Gabriel so so [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► was hammers 86 yeah I think yeah okay [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► here we go I don't wanna go through this [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► whole thing because it would take a year [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► but the list of Billboard Hot 100 [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► number-one singles of 1987 no I know go [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► to 88 80 go to 88 cuz you're right that [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► was the that was dead dead time 88 okay [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► Oh [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► start with faith by George Michael [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► that's a good song right [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► it's so emotional I think better in [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► retrospect I got my mind set on you not [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► a great song right the way you make me [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► feel not peak Jackson I need you tonight [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► that's not bug me we you and me we go [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► back and forth on the INXS but I think [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► the earlier stuff is probably a little [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► better I I need you tonight well in [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► excess I owe you gonna give you up never [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► gonna you know is true I tell you love [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► your secret heart [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► I was stand-in you were there two worlds [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► collided tear us apart we don't know [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► that the POW who is that [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► okay man in the mirror Oh God get out of [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► my dreams to get into my car [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► he claims Billy ocean mmm the stone the [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► stone roses when did when did Stone [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► Roses come out oh shit dog look at this [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► okay hang on [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► Oh a couple more here let's see wishing [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► well that's pretty good song together [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► for the flame terrible song a cheap [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► trick then you get I actually was really [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► into Terence Trent d'Arby for that first [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► fighter on that first blast and then you [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► know where did he that was a good song [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► that was a good record that's when that [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► showed up Steve Winwood what do you [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► think have you have you noticed this - [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► no I think I think what we're getting at [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► here yes is the beginning of what I this [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► was the first generation gap that I [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► strongly felt oh really like you feel [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► yeah a little left behind or like you [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► walked away from it you popped out well [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► yeah not left behind by any means but [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► like the the when I was a freshman in [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► high school the seniors in high school [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► had music that I identified as my music [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► right the even the guys that had [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► graduated a couple of years before I [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► went into high school the music that [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► they were listening to that was popular [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► at the time right [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► we still claimed as ours new wave punk [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► rock but also but I mean there was this [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► is like this murder of bands from that [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► really you know you think of those you [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► know if I say late 70s hard rock bands [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► there's like six bands we could all name [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► that pretty much everybody liked you [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► know everybody liked foreigner everybody [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► liked Boston [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► almost everybody likes getting head back [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► in black yeah well yeah the heavier [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► stuff but there was like solid hard rock [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► that was pretty unobjectionable to [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► everybody up until it the early eighties [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► when floor [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► got synthesizers and stuff like that but [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► you put that all the way through I mean [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► even in 286 when we were listening to [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► Glenn Frey and I mean all that stuff [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► came out of bands of the 70s you could [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► still make a connection to it yep but [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► between 86 when I graduated an 88 two [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► years later I still feel like I meet [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► people in the world and you want to [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► think you graduated high school in 88 we [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► are almost exactly the same generation [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► but I have feel so much more in common [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► with the class of 84 that is that's a [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► really good point yes the end of the 70s [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► in some ways yeah and by the time I meet [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► somebody who graduated in 88 almost all [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► of their cultural touchstones are [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► different they have different beginning [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► points they're not based in a Arrowsmith [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► economy yeah they're based in a you know [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► they they're they came out of they came [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► out of New Wave and and pop metal in a [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► totally different way and so I'm I'm [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► always feeling like somebody whose [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► moment was you know their junior year [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► whatever was in the late 80s I just [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► can't I don't have that I and I felt it [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► even then like what the hell is [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► happening to you kids [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► right right right they're games now the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► video games really catching on around in [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► - yeah and I was 18 years old and I [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► already felt like wow and that was [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► Bossier between you between two [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► generations that was why that the Guns [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► N'Roses record was so powerful because [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► it felt like a throwback it felt like [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► very odd it was really well crafted and [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► thought it's really authentic I know [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► we'd like to avoid that term run the [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► show it's been talking about music but [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► it felt like now this is the real deal [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► like this is the shit man well because [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► those songs were were written in a blues [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► vernacular they were blue scale songs [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► and all metal at that time had [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► transitioned to [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► mixolydian you know it had gone it had [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► gone through this weird classical this I [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► this Yngwie Malmsteen idea that [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► classical music was what we were gonna [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► bring into metal got some hard rock to [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► difficult rock difficult rock right and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► just like with scalloped stupid you're [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► absolutely right but also you had to [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► know what somebody's gotta laugh jokes [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► Marilyn are you there here's the thing [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► so this after that I will do all of [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► these but here's your run-through feed [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► run few days out of the year you [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► includes don't worry be happy [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► Love Bites by Def Leppard the very [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► interesting crazy comeback of red red [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► one by ub40 put on the radio I leave the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► venue ready for this November it gets [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► pretty good you get to Kokomo Kokomo by [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► the Beach Boys you get wild with so with [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► Rob Lowe on drums right now on drums [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► know it's the father from the San [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Francisco baby show John Stamos played [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► something thank you put a question on [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► that one [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► Wow well West bad medicine your love is [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► like bad medicine by Bon Jovi you get [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► baby I love your way slash Freiberg [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► medley by will to power look away by [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► Chicago and finally you know it buddy [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► Merry Christmas every rose has its thorn [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► by poison annus horribilis that is so [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► bad that is such a bad collection of [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► songs and you know that should have been [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► that should have been peak us I was [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► nineteen eighteen nineteen I should have [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► been like mm-hm [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► and it was at the time I knew it was [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► garbage at the time I was listening to [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► the Steve Miller Band because there was [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► nothing else let's see Oh toy soldiers [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► now I'm in 289 by Marty I could do this [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► all day yeah yeah yeah me too but I [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► don't want to and and I don't want to [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► validate that year by talking about it [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► lai was such a race down time and and I [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► was I had ejected myself from from youth [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► culture I don't think I don't think [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► people now can understand this the the [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► other thing that was happening he's [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► culture killed your dog [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► well it was the 20 year anniversary of [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► the year that the baby boomers cresteds [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► of 1968 and there was this total retro [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► 60s the 60s are gonna make the 90s look [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► like the to 2010 it was you had it was [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► 88 let's see no it might be 89 when you [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► had like the harmonic convergence coming [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► remember that was gonna be a big thing [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► yeah harmonic convergence moronic [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► convergence the bhagwan shree rajneesh [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► is out there bog warning you got waco [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► you get your bug wands Bhagwan and you [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► get your weight go no no that was a [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► hippie er that was an again I felt kind [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► of mad because I've been into the hippie [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► stuff a little bit before that so I [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► thought I was a little bit played well [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► but it was hippie [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► it was hippie music but it was also what [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► year did the doors movie come out Oh [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► with what's the same tile Kilmer doors [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► yeah I'm gonna say 1990s my guests 91 [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► okay so what was that right in there [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► somewhere [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► oh my gosh but yet but there was a movie [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► and this is before the 80s are gonna [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► make those 60s look like the 42s [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► mm-hmm there was a there was a Winona [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► Ryder movie that had Ironman in it oh [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► it's a transition from like brat pack to [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► Love Bites no blood bites vote loves [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► vulgar vulgar what's the what was her [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► movie with the love rush actually love [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► stinks [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► no but it was a period piece it was set [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► in 1968 it may have even been called [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► 1968 yes and it had like a lot of it had [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► a lot of those scenes where somebody's [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► driving a Volkswagen bus and it and the [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► the soundtrack is Crosby Stills and Nash [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► 60 song you know yeah who likes can't [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► heat okay who comes home from work and [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the 60s and puts on fucking canned heat [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► I've never understood that [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► well that was also the era of singles [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► radio everybody was buying 45s then so [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► you didn't have to I mean there was [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► there was AM radio and all that great [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► 70s music like long cool woman in a [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► black dress like who you know nobody [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► bought a Hollies album but they bought [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► Hollies single yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► movies 1969 1969 came out in 1980 1969 [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► is gonna make 1988 look like the 42 s [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► that's Robert Downey jr. keep referring [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► to Kiefer [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► Keith er Sutherland you got Bruce [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► different Paul Mariette Hartley [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► she's a treat Wynonna Rider mmm 69 the [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► movie and so I so that was that moment [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► where it was like we are like I am 20 [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► years old and I am celebrating the [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► culture of 20 years ago and everyone's [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► wearing little round glasses and drawing [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► peace signs on their army jackets party [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► world party right yes and and there was [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► like this it was all it was that feeling [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► that that was the high-water mark of the [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► of the 20th century youth culture and we [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► don't have our own because punk rock had [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► like had become the de-facto youth [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► culture of of a tiny fraction of youth [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► and everyone else was just you know [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► listening to dead or alive and sort of [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► seen around it right but even the cult [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► even the cult was putting out sixties [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► music and rocking 60s Austin Tears for [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► Fears sowing the seeds of love as a 60s [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► retro don't you think so no it's it's [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► basically I mean I've heard talk about [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► this it was very influenced I watched [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► something a cup this is really quick a [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► week or two ago this amazing recent live [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► performance by Tears for Fears which [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► were primarily it's the two guys plus [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► band people and they sounded fucking [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► great they sounded so good and I always [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► liked that tune I was lying it was very [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► very emblematic of that new psychedelia [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► or you know what I mean kind of updated [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► psychedelia feeling the Tears for Fears [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► is an embarrassing moment for me [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► one of them one of several right that [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► you get that you encountered throughout [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► life when Tears for Fears was on the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► radio I despised it and partly it was I [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► think I was picking up that that retro [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► psychedelic vibe without really may be [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► fully grokking where it was coming from [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► but the two guys had such frowny faces [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► they were just like so over serious and [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► so like over emotive and just dramatic [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► and it was very synth driven stuff and I [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► was I just felt like opposed to it [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► because there was a lot of catchy pop on [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► the radio at the time yeah and and it [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► was also a big period in our lives where [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► your reaction to culture was as much [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► about oh - talking here about probably [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► like more of songs from the big chair [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► than the hurting you're talking about [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► like the shout era right well the whole [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► thing was really good I mean you're [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► right when you turn against a band [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► though you know and because I'd been a [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► huge flock of seagulls fan everybody [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► else was what turned against him but I [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► didn't think you could deny those [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► singles I thought they were so strong [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► that you know there wasn't any you [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► couldn't futz around home Peter Parker [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► goes to the homecoming dance in the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► spider-man movie he walks in there [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► playing space a love song great song [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► I mean that's not a cultural reference [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► point for me but yes I get that you saw [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► a spider-man movie once with the one [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► that just came out made hundred [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► seventeen million dollars and it's [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► probably the best Marvel movie ever made [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► yeah it's the one I'm talking about [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► you're gonna want to see there's no [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► origin story in it it goes straight to [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► the meat and he's played by an actual [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► kid it's really nice there's a nice [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► scene with the save it for later which [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► is a nice song that's a good song you [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► know save it for later and happy [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► dangerous flight pole-sitter [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► same exact song cover save it for later [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► well they did because because I think [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► somebody said hey your song is the same [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► as that song and then they covered it as [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► I kind of like walk those guys the save [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► it for later dudes the the pop star you [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► beat thank you the beat they became big [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► Harvey danger fans and whenever he yeah [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► whenever the English beat was in town [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► they would call Sean and Sean would jump [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► up with them and do save it for later [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► complicated that's a complicated [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► anecdote so and then Harvey danger would [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► do a medley of the two songs but what [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► got more complicated way English beat [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► singer guy blondie blondie we call him [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► according to Sean he started calling him [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► too much that's nice to hear we can the [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► other guy was ranking Roger [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► I remember ranking Roger yep because [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► they were before the English be UK they [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► were in they had that earlier BAM that [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► was even [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► like a different no Meah no no no you're [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► reversing it the general public and [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► before general public was devote oh okay [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► okay that's what it is you know what a [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► racist I am when I only knew them from [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► having their singles collection [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► what is beat which is a great singles [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► collection I thought the black guy was [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► the singer how about that how's that for [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► racism there it is there it is you're [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► gonna think so Dave weakling but back to [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► see ya later on and I'm talking about [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► 2002 my good friend the Mike Squires [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► that we talk about periodically Mike [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► Henson remarks recent let's uh you know [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► he's a piece of problematic figure oh [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► did he have remarks recently what did [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► Mike Squires have to say I mean look it [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► up from the internet [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► Mike squares has got a lot to say [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► because Mike is too dumb to know it has [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► to say here's what happened I was at [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► Mike's house in in Portland Oregon I [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► don't know why I probably ran out of gas [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► or something and then he was the only [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► guy I knew nearby that had a car I was [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► there you know Mike has a incredible [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► vinyl collection that he curates and it [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► is it is really formidable this [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► collection of vinyl and it's the hairs [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► he cares and he put on Tears for Fears [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the hurting and he said hey dummy this [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► is a great album and I said yeah yeah [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► right I don't like them and he said shut [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► up and listen and he played it and it's [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► undeniable a classic pop album they're [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► really really good songs and the [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► performance is very distinctive the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► musicianship is very high and and as I [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► listened to the record I had gradually [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► their frowny faces their dumb British [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► frowny faces went out of my head [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► and was replaced by this in who you know [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► like what ended up being an incredible [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► appreciation of them so now you know it [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► was a late in life like epiphany and now [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► I feel like oh I should have liked them [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► all along I like them now a lot I when [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► their music comes on I'm always excited [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► and it was because that big you know Oh [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► Mike Squires right it had to give me an [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► education which I didn't like getting [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► from him of all people [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► oh it's kind of a double for you served [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► he's given me he served me a bunch of [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► times that's one of the reasons that one [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► of the reasons history will record him [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► as history's greatest English [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► skree politi another one what was that [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► there's another band what's the one I'm [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► thinking of that got better every album [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► they had like a screenplay was good but [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► then there was the one that was the band [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that like had an 80's hit that we all [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► kind of go ha ha ha 80s hit but then [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► they have like better album after better [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► album in the late eighties and early 90s [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► some space not right now but you know [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► it's funny it's like a sweep up right [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► you get some innocent civilians get get [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► swept up in the dragnet and I think [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► that's the case I mean we've all [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► certainly written off certain songs or [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► bands because you go oh it's that thing [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► and I think that I think that happened [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► with them well then you know it happened [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► with Tears for Fears but also songs from [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► the big chair really got the singles [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► from that got really overplayed to where [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► I would dread hearing the beginning of [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► everybody wants to rule the world yeah [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► absolutely although there were singles [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► from that era that got over over [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► overplayed that I never got tired of so [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► there was something to that everybody [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► wants to rule the world that I still [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► have a trouble I still have trouble [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► listening to that song it was just like [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► jam down my throat if the rides was such [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► a prom theme you know it was just like [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► prom where as I will listen to that Don [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► Henley song about the about Central [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► America whatever the fuck that was don't [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► know freaks oh sure right right right [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► it was to do is dance I [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► Nevada all day and that was on the radio [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► constantly and that is a pie all you [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► know by all standards pretty bad but I [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► when that comes on I'm like yeah alright [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► I'll take it oh sorry yeah thought [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► technology in your direction I I don't I [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► don't want or need an answer now but [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► it's something I've just been thinking [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► about in the back of my mind for a while [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► especially since we've done this show [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► and talk so much about cocaine in music [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► you don't have to answer this now but I [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► wonder if you were to cast your mind [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► back over the years without knowing [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► specifics necessarily do you how much do [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► you think you would be able to go back [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► and identify what songs are fairly [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► legitimate zeitgeist hits which songs [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► got pretty puffed up because of the way [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► songs were recorded before SoundScan [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► would you be able to identify which [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► songs aren't were so improbably popular [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► because of paola or similar do you think [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► you could do that would you be able to [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► go back and go oh that's why that's why [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► starship was so popular in improbable [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► because of cocaine you're saying well I [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► mean on the one hand okay so I'm trying [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► to get out these these three axes we're [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► like on the one hand there's like you [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► take a song like what sugar sugar by the [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► Archies like that's a legitimately [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► catchy pop song and you can understand [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► why that would be a really popular song [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► yeah there are others where I mean this [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► the story has been told many times when [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► they flip the switch to SoundScan a lot [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► of stuff changed because I'm not telling [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► you this I'm telling anybody our [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► audience and you correct me if I'm wrong [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► but basically it used to be like pretty [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► much reporting and self reporting there [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► was a number of Records shipped and then [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► they will call around and you call the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► record store frequently the record store [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► would say oh yeah you know what's [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► popular this one album we have way too [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► many copies of and need to move right so [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► maybe this on the second level you got [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the dicey recording in the sound scam [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► basically brought in this idea of like [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► okay here's the reports on what people [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► actually bought with money in a record [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► store this week which was revolutionary [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► because what do we discover hey people [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► like hip hop and people like country and [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► country owned the charts for years after [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► once they change the way was the codecs [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► measured everything like hip up to right [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► hip hop took over from there absolutely [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► well Ian like I think it probably helped [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► a lot to realize wow this stuff actually [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► is really selling very well [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► and it's getting at that point we're [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► seeing a little poppier but I mean I [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► wonder I just sometimes wonder like you [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► know just a little bit little bit Alex [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► Jones conspiracy theory stuff here but [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► like I wonder like if with that [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► particular lens if you think you could [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► go back and go like oh that explains why [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► we heard so much like Def Leppard I [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► don't like that flip I you know I'm [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► sorry I don't like post photograph Def [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► Leppard's so much but I understand why [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► they're popular it was like you know it [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► was poppy you know uh that one guy [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► Shania Twain's ex you know that God [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► needs a pop you know I'm saying though [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► do you think you could go back would you [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► be able to eyeball it and know which [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► ones were pretty much straight up like [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► here's some cocaine play this album I [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► feel I feel like the others the other [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► thing in there is that again because it [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► was hard to know whose culture we will [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► we were dealing with at that time [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► because the baby boomers like do you [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► remember the tape TV show 30-something [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► right the baby boomers were in their [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► mid-30s which now we think of because [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► you and I are in our 40s or you know [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► around our 40s you know we look at 34 [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► year olds and say I mean 34 you're just [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► like getting started you're just a child [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► you're only just getting normal right [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► now come on [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► 34 like finally you're kicking into gear [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► right when you're 29 you think you know [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► anything but by 34 you're like okay yeah [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► and at the time right we were teenagers [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► third polls seemed like they were you [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► know they like might as well give up I [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► mean you're already you've already [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► transitioned to irrelevant adulthood but [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that was the baby boomers then and they [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► were still they were so much larger a [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► generation than we were that they were [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► still shoving heard it through the [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► grapevine down our throats right and and [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► they were still out like a predominant [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► market force well and they were the most [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► self-congratulatory generation of all [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► time and the most like self you know [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► just like soaking in [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► their own their own at what turns out to [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► be fairly recent past and so what you [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► have is which job is Jefferson Airplane [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► turning into Jefferson Starship who [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► actually had a couple of pretty good [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► hits in the late seventies yes you know [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► pretty good rock songs and then they [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► switch over to Jefferson or they'd [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► switch over to starship right and they [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► get two or three - I think just gimme [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► hits where it's like they've earned it [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► somehow they are in the in that oral [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► history of we built the city Grace Jones [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► it basically said like I would make some [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► money like I want to recount what are [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► you able to retire whatever it takes I [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► would like a giant giant hit please and [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► thank you and so and what they had then [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► was the pre SoundScan they had the [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► goodwill and the relationships with the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► music business people who again were all [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► like pre 40 years old and they could [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► just say here's our new record make it a [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► hit and they're A&R and they're then the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► president of the record company had [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► probably made his bones to Jefferson [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► Airplane and it was and you know you [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► look at that 80's heart record where [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► heart was like incredible band [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► throughout the 70s is so good in the 80s [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► it was just like what are you doing stop [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► please don't do that [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► and I love those girls and I know you [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► know I'm really good friends with one of [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► the women that that co-wrote some of [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► their songs who's a Seattle a luminary [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► and and grammy-winning artist and Linda [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► what's week one of my favorite no no no [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► not not Linda what's her name okay she [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► didn't write she didn't co-write like [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► the big seventies hits but she she was a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► she was a friend and a co-writer with [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► them but during the era that [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► those those those mid-80s to talk about [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► like these dreams yeah it was just like [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► a knife in my heart yeah no pun intended [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► and then you get then you get all the [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► members of the Eagles and all the [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► members of Genesis and all the members [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► of you know and you get the Rolling [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► Stones solo records and it was just like [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► payday for all these people that had [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► that had made you know made their [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► epaulettes throughout the 70s that they [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► were still in charge of the culture [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► there wasn't anything there were no [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► upstarts right and punk rock was kept [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► out for the most part I mean new wave [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► was was gathered together and and made [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► into and and like almost immediately [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► defanged and turned into bubblegum music [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► but that's what I account for that and I [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► think cocaine is accessory to it because [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► that whole generation also was was you [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► know like had the incredible bad cocaine [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► judgment think about the Eric Clapton [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► hits of the eighties and then that weird [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► eighties blues revival with BB King [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► suddenly being a huge star and Robert [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► Cray and you got the Stevie Ray Vaughan [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► circa 85 [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► yeah and Stevie Ray is just he's just [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► playing Texas Hendrix [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► those are good albums in their killer [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► albums yeah killer who's rockin ZZ Top [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► you get you from your buddies in ZZ Top [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► kind of like we can't we can't talk shit [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► about southern rock oh no no I'm not [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► talking shit about any of these people [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► in that case but no you're right but [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► like yeah Clapton had the he did that [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► new version the slow version of after [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► midnight he did what was this other big [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► stuff you're right though yeah you're [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► right you're right those inner everybody [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► was not cashing in is the wrong word cuz [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► doesn't totally [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► caPSURE it it was more like it was like [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► some credibility bond had matured and [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► they were apart like a lots of people [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► were cashing in bits of their [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► credibility bond at that point do you [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► know what I mean [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► and yeah absolutely and one of the one [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► of the ones that I would make an [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► exception for is permanent vacation by [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► Aerosmith which was Aerosmith's comeback [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► longest run DMC [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► mmm-hmm like Run DMC pulled Aerosmith [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► out of the trash bin of history weren't [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► amazing what an amazing how did this [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► ever happen story when you really think [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► about it well yeah and it just and I run [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► DMC gave us such an education in the [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► early days in history of hip hop by [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► doing that just like this is how we did [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► it we took these records that have these [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► cool breaks like oh no no no no no no [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► and we just looped them and wrapped over [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► them so that's how it started so anyway [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► thanks a lot we're gonna give this [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► little like we're gonna throw this bone [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► to Aerosmith who have been I mean [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► there's a there's a great story in that [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► Aerosmith autobiography of Joey Wanaka [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► or whatever where he's driving his [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► Ferrari on the highway on like you know [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► interstate 95 or something like that and [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► and he's just like so drugged out he's [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► not paying attention and a semi truck [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► stops on the highway in front of him and [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► he just drives the Ferrari right up [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► underneath that's right up underneath [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► the semi I guess he has time that's time [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► to duck and there was some scene in the [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► in the recording studio with those guys [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► where where somebody was shooting a [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► crossbow like in the studio I mean those [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► guys should have there's not a single [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► member of Aerosmith that should be alive [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► and then they came out with that with [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► permanent vacation which although it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► features the garbage track dudes look [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► dude looks like a lady mm-hmm it was it [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► was a killer record it had killer tunes [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► on it is that is that also like the [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► beginning of the Alicia Silverstone [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► videos era that came that came later you [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► know permanent vacation was the was the [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► tour that Guns and Roses Oak [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► for Aerosmith really I think also it [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► didn't didn't that Linda what's your [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► name right some of those primitive [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► vacation to her name its anon blonde [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► lady right didn't she write no that has [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► that has to be later hmm [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► poor not Blanc he came later okay so you [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► got hard time dude looks like a lady [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► ragdoll 1989 you got pump like the [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► trucks having intercourse look at that [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► yeah lava and I when pump came out and [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► I'd been a permanent vacation fan I [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► remember walking down the streets of [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► some little town and there was a record [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► store and prominently featured in the [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► window was the record cover of pump [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► their new album which they had raced out [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► you know pretty pretty quickly after [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► permanent vacation and I felt that weird [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► feeling of like we're feeling you used [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► to get in Europe when you would see [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► something American and feel a kinship [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► with it immediately because you know [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► Europe European still had mostly [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► positive feelings about America and [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► there would be something in the window [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► of a shop that was like the new record [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► from American band Aerosmith and I was [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► like that's right that's right [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► how you like how you like us now [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► Frenchie's yeah listen to Aerosmith I [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► bet I don't know I'm not saying I could [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► pick it out but you know it's just it's [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► another data point is all I'm saying [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► it's a very confusing time and I I think [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► we might be too close to it to to [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► properly analyze it because every time [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► you think you've got the 80s by by the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► nose then you know then somebody throws [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► out some new thing where it's like oh [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► well what do you have to say about [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► Metallica mmm-hmm and then you're like [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► ah fuck what it Metallica how does that [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► where does that fit into anything that [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► first the first suit you know [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► like ride the lightning how do you how [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► do you account for that so it's um yeah [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► it's it's a little bit of a what was [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► that what was it what was that ban I'm [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► trying to remember the ban the very late [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► eighties band where the singer was so [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► Cokie just frenetic high-energy dancey [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► music and the singer had like colored [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► dreads that were he was a white guy [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► colored dreads piled up on top of his [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► head and he was dancing around just [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► flailing waving his arms it was the [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► beginning of that era where music videos [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► happened on a completely white [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► background music that would become like [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► yeah unbelievable [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► like would become that kind of music [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► yeah that stuff were pre delight mmm [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► like dance music but but done as though [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► it's rock it's not Jamiroquai that's [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► later on no that's later on big hat [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► music there was that video of a band [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► like maybe they even had two hits or he [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► had two heads it was a guy that wore his [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► hat down over his face and you could [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► never see his face cuz he had his hat [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► down over his eyes it was a type of [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► thing and and the the cover of his [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► record was just the bottom of his tennis [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► shoes you could kind of see him in the [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► background there's a lot of this stuff [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it really appeals to the English like an [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► English pop music fan the the small [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► device of like this guy wears his hat [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► down over his eyes and it's like he's [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► the hit of the summer like how does the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► British pop market like understand [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► itself how can you look yourself in [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► these it selves in the eye with the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► chain saw [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► what was that remember the band with the [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► guy would play chainsaws v Bend with a [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► chainsaw hmm what was that what was that [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► band what band with chain saw don't [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► overthink no my eye [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► Kyl Jekyll you wonder are they Christian [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► Wow yes [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► the this my friend here in Seattle who [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► co-wrote heart songs did not write the [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► the early 70s once but did I'm now [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► researching did co-write straight on [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► coming straight up to you yeah right [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► even it up these are killer man killer [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► late seventies heart tunes right you [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► want to think it's all Barracuda but [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► then you like heart kept it comin [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► yeah and then dog and butterfly which [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► was a song that that Ken Stringfellow [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► and I covered on the Ken Stringfellow [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► tour where the long winters were his [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► backing band oh I was I was at that yeah [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► so I don't know if I mentioned that to [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► you you met Scott Miller that man I find [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► ever mentioned it to you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► right right so so there were there were [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► several phases of heart the several [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► phases of heart but oh the 80s heart and [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► then you know then heart brought it back [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► of course by by the grunge era like they [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► I think I think heart saw themselves or [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► they saw grunge in themselves not least [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► because Cameron Crowe made the it the [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► Nancy Wilson like crossover but yeah so [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► she's doing soundtracks and songs for [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► his films a lot right mmm that is a [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► thing that is a thing that is a thing [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► yeah no I'm not criticizing I'm just [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► saying no no no I [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► if I could do soundtracks for Cameron [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► Crowe films I would I heard I heard that [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► and you know when you think about it [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► like Ann Wilson was 30 years old in 1990 [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► what is that right [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► no she's gotta be older than that Oh 40 [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► years old 40 years old but still yeah I [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► mean 46 young kids good deal older than [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► Cameron right well that I was talk about [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► and I'm you know I'm lost [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► I'm looking at the Internet which makes [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► for a great podcast well uh I heard [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► through the grapevine that Cameron Crowe [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► was a fan of a long winter oh I feel [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► like you might have mentioned this you [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► were waiting for a call for a long time [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► weren't you have this is one of these [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► grapevine situations where you're like [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► how do I verify that right who do I call [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► to say hey I hear you yeah you you know [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► him like one time one time we played in [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► New York City and and after the show [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► somebody said oh AC Newman was here I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► was like AC Newman was that a long [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► winter show oh yeah yeah it's great yeah [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► you know big fan of the band big fan and [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► so then I'm like oh shit AC Newman's a [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► big fan of the band yeah that's a big [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► deal I mean I mean you're like you know [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► it's like it's got Miller type situation [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► like when there's somebody who's like [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► you're special like you know don't be [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► creepy about it but like you know Zuppa [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► know and New Pornographers were like man [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► that was that was my jam yeah sure I [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► mean he's one of the great pop song [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► writers of our race he's got that kind [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► of like at least maybe less so now that [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► you know they've kind of the people know [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► them and stuff but like or like Ted Leo [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► frig's it for that matter where it's [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► tough we were like no but like that's my [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► special secret band and like to even the [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► inkling that they might even know who [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► you are such a big deal that's so [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► exciting [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► well and so every time I would see him [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► at like festivals or something like that [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► I would kind of roll up on him he's not [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► a reason I roll up kind of guy [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► what's up how's it going car going [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► through it perverted guys super you know [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► we'd always have a super smile on his [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► face but I'd be like remember me if you [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► were at our show you were at our show [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► yeah he was always really friendly and [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► we had we used to have fun on the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► internet together but you know but I [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► definitely like feel like I kind of was [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► so glad that he was at that chair [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► question John if there should be a way [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► to ask like you know and this hasn't [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► gotten you past though means so many of [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► both of us got it's best so many all the [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► great shows and moments there should be [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► some kind of a code where we just go [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► wrong idea who I am like really awkward [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► four four four six minutes to 14 years [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► well this was always my thing with Doug [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► Marsh I would roll up on him at every [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► single event and Doug Marsh's as [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► introverted as a fucking clam I didn't [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► know oh yeah open to show a little bit [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► and you're like hello and he squirts [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► saltwater slams shut and I'd be like hi [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► it's me again John Roderick and I'm not [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► even gonna try the you know if I'm [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► standing next to him at a buffet [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► backstage somewhere and he takes a [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► strawberry maybe I'll take a strawberry [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► but I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna be [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► like hey look at us - strawberry loving [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► guys [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► the Cameron Crowe thing I actually went [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► to my people various people publicist [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► agent you know and I was like hey the [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► word on the street and I cannot tell you [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► where this word came from at the time I [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► probably could have [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► now I have no recollection but Cameron [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► Crowe is a fan of the long winter so you [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► guys do your job and figure out how to [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► get cameron crowe to do something where [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► he loves me publicly and you know my [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► people were just like huh [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► what yeah I don't you know we don't have [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► his phone number and it's really a big [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► workflow for this particular kind of [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► yeah just like I'll call his people Hey [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► hi this is Joe publicist can you can [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► find out from Cameron if he's ever heard [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► of John Roderick just don't don't make a [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► big deal out of it yeah do you like me [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► yes or no check one exactly and you know [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► the it still is possible that one day [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► he'll make one of those classic Cameron [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► Crowe films and there will be a long [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► winter song in it and I'll be like [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► validated mm-hmm life validation the the [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► song lumberjack was released by jackal [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► JC k yl in 1991 here's some the lyrics I [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► was born in the backwoods of a two-bit [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► nowhere town fathered up some rock and [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► roll baby so your mothers could boogie [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► I ain't whistling Dixie no I'm a rebel [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► with a groove all the way from the world [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► they go round and round when they dig on [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► my new stainless steel sound wait a [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► minute was that a rat reference was that [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► a little like tap a little rat reference [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► there they go rap baby I'm a lumberjack [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► baby I'm gonna cut you down to size I'm [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► a lumberjack baby and you're the one [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► that gets my prize when you hear my [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► motor running you know I surely be cup [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► and a rise so I'm gonna crank it up and [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► cut it down no no none of them I have an [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► interesting story about that the jackals [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► the lumberjack okay yeah which is I was [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► so I took my daughter to a choir class [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► which is like little girl little girl [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► choir apparently at the level of choir [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► the genders are really separated still [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► because there is girl choir and I have [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► no idea where there is whether there is [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► boy choir because I have a little girl [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► and you are not given access to boy [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► choir and there are no boys at all at [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► girl choir okay not only know little [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► boys but also there are no boys in the [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► form of adult people's waiting in the [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► hall even it's like a very mom daughter [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► kind of situation they got a whole [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► separate building if there is a boy [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► choir it ain't in here I don't know [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► where they are and I don't know where [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► their concerts are I have no idea [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► whether they even exist to check out it [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► but I said you know I said I have a [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► little girl I want her to go to choir [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► obviously for obvious reasons I went to [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► choir and choir is important and so so [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► I'm the dad at choir who's standing in [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► the hall listening to them you know sing [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► the ABC song because they're little [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► girls and they've you know that not a [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► single one of them can carry a tune and [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► so I'm out in the hall and I'm talking [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► to the other moms and we're you know [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► talking mom stuff and the choir the [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► little girl choir that's happening is [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► happening in one of what we would [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► describe as Seattle's more affluent yet [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► still downtown neighborhoods okay [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► it's not one of the affluent [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► neighborhoods where people have moved [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► out to the suburbs and have just abandon [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► all hope [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► it's the downtown neighborhood where [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► people are buying 1902 houses with eight [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► bedrooms in them and God knows what [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► doing what with them why there are two [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► two bedrooms that are just full of junky [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► kids toys because nobody needs an eight [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► bedroom house to get a gift-wrapping [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► room you get a mudroom yeah that's right [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► this is my office and that's daddy's [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► office and never come into my office you [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► can come into my house but not my den [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► right exactly don't go into Daddy's [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► library and it's because one or both of [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► them work at either Microsoft or Amazon [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► maybe Starbucks and they just have more [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► money than they know what to do with and [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► they but they want to retain their [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► downtown miss so they buy a house in [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► anyway so I'm talking and there are a [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► lot of people like that that meet that [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► criteria at the playground that's around [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► my daughter's school because the the [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► school in the neighborhood where my [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► daughter school is it either the people [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► that live there are either University of [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► Washington professors and it's the class [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► it's the traditional neighborhood of [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► that or people that that have a very [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► short commute to the Microsoft campus [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► but still live in town anyway so I'm [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► talking to the moms [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► talking to the moms [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► and one of them says you know one of [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► them kind of has this like East Coast [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► accent and we get talking and she's like [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► well yeah you know I moved out here you [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► know sort of in the 90s and you know and [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► now we live in this big house and I kind [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► of you know got this little girl a mom a [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► mom ended up and I'm like I'm mom ended [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► up too and I was here in the early [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► nineties like did you move here for [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► grunge and she said grunge yeah I hated [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► grunge I was like you hated grunge you [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► and I are the same age fish and you were [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► in Seattle in 1991 what the hell were [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► you doing here mm-hmm [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► we didn't allow 22 year olds to come [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► here who hated grunge why would you come [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► here and she her face lit up and she [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► said I was I'm from Philly and I was [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► part of the New Jersey hair metal scene [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► of the late 80s and I was like say what [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► and I pulled up a like a church pew and [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► you know and she's not rocking any of [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► that now she's rocking like she's [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► rocking yeah hella fide rich mom thing [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► and she but all of a sudden her face is [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► transformed and she was like you know [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► like I was a high school dropout from my [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► inner-city Philly neighborhood and we [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► would go over to to Trenton and then [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► eventually like I hooked up with the [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► guys and warrant or whatever I think [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► like she listed all these bands and I [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► recognized them all but it was my occur [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► to you that you that these bands sold [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► millions of albums and probably there [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► were hundreds of people doing what she [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► did oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah and but all [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► of a sudden I'm looking at her and I'm [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► just like it's one of those things where [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► you look at it you look at kind of a [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► a holographic overlay of some historic [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► you look at the thing and then you look [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► at the holographic overlay of it you're [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► like holy shit that's what before they [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► tore all the buildings down and I see [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► her with hair this poodle hair that's [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► like foot and a half high and spandex [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► and like hanging out with these these [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► guys with the pointy guitars and I was [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► like Jesus Christ I need to know all [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► about this yes and she said I you know I [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► was part of that scene and we were [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► hardcore she's rocking cigarette warrant [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► that's a name I haven't heard yet right [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► and all of a sudden heard like the her [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► heels get spiky ear and she and she's [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► smoking more and we're talking about the [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► time you know that we're we're talking [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► about like Bon Jovi era but it's just [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► lightly post Bon Jovi's big fame when [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► everybody in New Jersey was a was a [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► poodle poodle metal guy mm-hmm [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► and she says we lived we lived this [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► incredible life it was a fantastic [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► moment in in history from 85 to 90 and I [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► was tending bar and I you know I didn't [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► even I hadn't even graduated from high [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► school and we were playing metal and we [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► were partying and then grunge I was it's [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► like wait wait wait this is where my [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► story picks up ye let me make this [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► connection let me feel this let me feel [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► this moment let me feel your anger and [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► frustration because I've only read about [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► this in magazines you were there and had [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► this was not LA Sunset Strip this was [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► the other one [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► the The Stone Pony in fucking like so [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► like sewer killed New Jersey right and [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► she said I realized that my life was a [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► head was like a dead end and I went on a [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► road trip to Princeton [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► and you know met somebody in a record [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► store and I was like how do you how do [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► you guys how do what does one have to do [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► in life to live in a place with trees [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► and the person at Princeton was like [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► well you go to college and then you can [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► live where there are trees and she was [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► like I had never seen a tree let alone a [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► bunch of trees all together where it [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► blocked the Sun and was shady and cool [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► and she said she had this incredible [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► moment where she where she said I'm [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► gonna go to college [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► and she did and she moved to Washington [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► with her already feeling like she was [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► too grown-up for for rock and roll Wow [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► and like went to university became a [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► computer person worked in computers [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► retired like met her husband who had you [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► know had gone to Cambridge or whatever [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► and had 25 degrees in computer science [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► and now they live in this beautiful home [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► and her story was one of these stories [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► that was just gonna walk past me on 15th [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► Avenue I was gonna be up there looking [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► for looking for a shade-grown coffee [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► beverage that had been cold brewed [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► somewhere and she was gonna be walking [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► by with some bag of organic things on [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► her way somewhere else and we would just [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► be two ships passing in the night and I [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► would see her and just be like oh what's [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► up you know rich mom from the [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► neighborhood and she would say like she [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► would pass me and not even notice me [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► because I just because I look like [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► somebody that's delivering things and [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► yet here it was like history in the [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► making so I went over to her house and [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► she pulled a photo album you're kidding [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► dad no no no I rolled over and peered at [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► the window it's me hi remember me from [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► girls choir you've got really great [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► furniture I like your hair like that no [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► she was like come over and see my shit [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► and so she pulls out this [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► and it's like she's laying across the [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► hood of a Camaro the whole time there [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► are and warranty COO Carrillo or whoever [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► standing there twirling drumsticks and [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► it's just like what am I looking at this [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► is something that I never never thought [TS]

01:06:59 ◼   ► that I would I never thought that I [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► would be like so close to in some ways [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► what I regard as the enemy and so she's [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► got a daughter [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► approximately your daughter's age yeah [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► so interesting yeah yeah and yeah right [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► and she's she is like that this is all [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► these these photo albums are like in the [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► Attic [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► this is her past that that she never [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► talks about never gets to talk about [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► both because I don't think anybody in [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► her circles are interested and it's just [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► not relevant it's not relevant to what [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► she's doing now but I you know as soon [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► as I dragged that church pew over and [TS]

01:07:42 ◼   ► was like I sat down and I was like you [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► tell me right now everything and she was [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► like wow really and the more she talked [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► the more I was like yes more more MORE [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► tell me everything tell me about your [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► culture tell me about your way and you [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► know the streets of Philadelphia like [TS]

01:07:58 ◼   ► this is all just stuff that exists in in [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► a mythological context to me well it's [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► like it's almost like it's something [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► like Quadrophenia or I'm thinking of [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► like that Twisted Sister documentary [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► which is really surprisingly good and [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► like you realize there's this entire [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► like you know just cuz you haven't [TS]

01:08:13 ◼   ► thought about her it's not your thing [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► like one may not realize there was an [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► incredibly rich and nuanced and like [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► potentially very subtle subculture going [TS]

01:08:23 ◼   ► around about this thing yeah well heavy [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► metal parking lot is what it is right [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► she was heavy metal parking lot and we [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► watched that film oh my god as though it [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► was a as though it was a message beamed [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► from outer space that's what it felt [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► like yeah yeah this is real that was it [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► wasn't a rat concert it's a rat concert [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► right no a goose priest [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► oh of course Judas Priest what I think [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► it was rad was right opening for them [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► maybe maybe you know the first rock [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► concert I ever saw [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► was do with Dakin Wow [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► and and I always put Dakin and wrap I [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► feel like they were contemporaries and I [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► feel like they were very much more New [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► Jersey than they were LA although I may [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► be wrong Browns was rockin I saw rat [TS]

01:09:16 ◼   ► open for Billy Squier 1984 and that was [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► with Billy Squier was that some emotions [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► in motion era yeah that was pre-ripped [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► no no I think it was that was I think he [TS]

01:09:29 ◼   ► was rocking me tonight probably my [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► girlfriend that was her her jam she [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► really she was let me put it let me put [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► it frankly she was very sexually [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► attracted to play square and she liked [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► she liked me dancing around in that [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► video she liked it a lot I'm going here [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► I'm going here to rat and I see that [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► looking at rats looking just at the [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► search records it appears that I have [TS]

01:09:54 ◼   ► already clicked on rats Wikipedia entry [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► recently enough that it's a different [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► color George Lynx was George Lynch in [TS]

01:10:04 ◼   ► doctor I know he's in Dakin was he in [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► rat at one point well so here are the [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► members of rat George and this is this [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► is what makes me feel like it's a Jersey [TS]

01:10:14 ◼   ► band [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► hmm Carlos Cavazos warranty party me [TS]

01:10:18 ◼   ► that's the one right warranty one I mean [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► they all they're all part of we passed [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► it does say they're from Los Angeles [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► that's weird now that's got to be that's [TS]

01:10:30 ◼   ► got to be a typo they should be from New [TS]

01:10:32 ◼   ► Jersey well maybe when maybe they moved [TS]

01:10:36 ◼   ► maybe they moved the origins of rat go [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► back as far as 1973 in Hollywood so [TS]

01:10:42 ◼   ► apparently they didn't move I think you [TS]

01:10:48 ◼   ► where's the bandanna for professional [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► reasons is that is it well isn't that [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► true also of the guy from who's the guy [TS]

01:10:56 ◼   ► that has a second career as a reality [TS]

01:10:58 ◼   ► star with the long blonde hair and [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► always wears a bond bandanna [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► oh right there Bret Michaels a Bret Bret [TS]

01:11:05 ◼   ► Michaels he's poison right yeah what's [TS]

01:11:10 ◼   ► going on under that man Dawkins from LA [TS]

01:11:14 ◼   ► to hmm [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► Rodgers rocking rocking with Dakin mmm [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► the guy the guy from Dakin [TS]

01:11:22 ◼   ► george'll in Georgia and she had that he [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► had the tips remember yeah and that was [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► one of those like lower tier B grade [TS]

01:11:30 ◼   ► metal guitar players that I still liked [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► oh he was great Paris is burning [TS]

01:11:34 ◼   ► breaking the chains that stuff was great [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► when I went to see them he had a sticker [TS]

01:11:40 ◼   ► on his guitar that said balls [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

01:11:51 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]