Roderick on the Line

Ep. 251: "Popped Out"


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00:00:04   hello hi John John Ricca haha I'll just [TS]

00:00:47   say that so how do you feel about that [TS]

00:01:02   particular little hairpin in the career [TS]

00:01:04   of DL Roth how'd you feel about that [TS]

00:01:08   where's the stinky from the heat what's [TS]

00:01:09   it called loco del colle or what's the [TS]

00:01:11   name of it taco pasta crazy from the [TS]

00:01:16   heat crazy Oh del colle or David Lee [TS]

00:01:21   Roth official website how do I feel [TS]

00:01:24   about it how did I then or how do I feel [TS]

00:01:27   about it now well well oh goodness [TS]

00:01:30   can I close this tab um well here's what [TS]

00:01:33   you had you had you had the you had the [TS]

00:01:35   van Halen like five really good albums [TS]

00:01:38   well you know for really good albums did [TS]

00:01:41   some good albums and then the DLR left [TS]

00:01:44   and Sammy Hagar asked the musical [TS]

00:01:47   question why can't this be love right so [TS]

00:01:50   I don't remember exactly what happened I [TS]

00:01:51   think there was some bad blood with that [TS]

00:01:53   word sugar and DLR DL Roth goes off on [TS]

00:01:57   his own and puts out low code el calor [TS]

00:02:00   and what were the hits you had counts of [TS]

00:02:03   California Gurls [TS]

00:02:04   yep it would be and and just a gigolo [TS]

00:02:09   slash I got nobody [TS]

00:02:13   yeah yeah those were the big hits [TS]

00:02:17   I I don't even think it was uh I don't [TS]

00:02:19   even think it was a full record was it [TS]

00:02:22   wasn't it like a big EP was it crazy [TS]

00:02:25   from the heat oh my goodness [TS]

00:02:28   oh my goodness no wait nevermind Oh Edom [TS]

00:02:30   and smile heatoman smile came in 1986 oh [TS]

00:02:33   my goodness you're so right okay okay [TS]

00:02:37   here we go we got 14 minute long record [TS]

00:02:40   oh my goodness 1406 temperament has his [TS]

00:02:46   imprimatur on that one too I mean think [TS]

00:02:50   about think about how many copies of [TS]

00:02:53   that EP sold right yeah every single [TS]

00:03:00   person started a cover band only a [TS]

00:03:02   thousand people ever bought it think [TS]

00:03:05   about that and think about this is the [TS]

00:03:07   thing I've reflected on this before [TS]

00:03:10   which is that David Lee Roth did not [TS]

00:03:12   write any songs for this album right [TS]

00:03:14   they're all covers so how difficult [TS]

00:03:18   would it have been for him to make a [TS]

00:03:20   full-length album at this point he could [TS]

00:03:23   have just picked ten Tin Pan Alley songs [TS]

00:03:27   instead of four okay so he's got a cure [TS]

00:03:34   winter and Edgar Winter song and Edgar [TS]

00:03:37   Winter cover get a Louis Prima right [TS]

00:03:38   leave Prima cover you got a Beach Boys [TS]

00:03:40   cover get a cover of a song I've never [TS]

00:03:42   heard of by the lovin spoonful for songs [TS]

00:03:46   tour songs now why why didn't he do what [TS]

00:03:52   he do like good morning little [TS]

00:03:54   schoolgirl and some coverage for David [TS]

00:04:05   Lee Roth for dlr the man himself dl roth [TS]

00:04:07   to do yeah in 1984 released in 1985 I [TS]

00:04:11   think dem bones dem bones dem dry bones [TS]

00:04:13   got behind the list absolutely it's just [TS]

00:04:21   a strange it's a strange turn is all I'm [TS]

00:04:23   saying [TS]

00:04:24   it feels like a rush to market strategy [TS]

00:04:26   I think is the business term thing if I [TS]

00:04:28   want to get something out but [TS]

00:04:30   look at the personnel you look at the [TS]

00:04:32   personnel on this get Colson and [TS]

00:04:35   Christopher Cross in the studio Wow [TS]

00:04:39   well he have the power right mm-hmm this [TS]

00:04:41   is before he before he put together a [TS]

00:04:44   the band with Steve Vai let's see you [TS]

00:04:47   can eat him and smile yeah Yankee [TS]

00:04:49   woodsies see what I'm what I'm saying [TS]

00:04:52   though is that if you look at the five [TS]

00:04:54   greater let's say four great van Halen [TS]

00:04:56   albums with TLR every one of them's got [TS]

00:04:58   ice cream man or you know there's so [TS]

00:05:07   much of that stuff that would fit right [TS]

00:05:09   on eat him and smile or right on crazy [TS]

00:05:11   from the heat David was chomping at the [TS]

00:05:13   bit I think this is one of those you [TS]

00:05:16   know the way the way Lennon talks about [TS]

00:05:17   McCartney where he's like by the time I [TS]

00:05:19   got to the end [TS]

00:05:20   mmm-hmm I just knew exactly what he was [TS]

00:05:22   gonna play at all times it was just he [TS]

00:05:26   thought he thought he thought McCartney [TS]

00:05:28   was corny yeah and I think that I think [TS]

00:05:32   that Eddie Van Halen from the very [TS]

00:05:33   beginning was like this guy is such [TS]

00:05:35   cheeseball David always wanted to put [TS]

00:05:38   more accordion in the thing eventually [TS]

00:05:45   he was like I got a I got to do this [TS]

00:05:47   myself I got to get out there and put on [TS]

00:05:50   a show for people and have fun he's John [TS]

00:05:52   Roderick DL Roth is above all a showman [TS]

00:05:55   a show man in the business that is show [TS]

00:05:58   you know you cannot keep that man in a [TS]

00:06:01   box the answer to DL are in a box is not [TS]

00:06:03   a bigger box let that man out of his box [TS]

00:06:06   cuz he's got to show and he did girls [TS]

00:06:12   wouldn't that when that video came out [TS]

00:06:17   it encapsulated the 80s it really did [TS]

00:06:21   that was peak eighties so DL are on the [TS]

00:06:24   beach with all that and you know and [TS]

00:06:26   like shameless [TS]

00:06:28   it was so shameless just my math here [TS]

00:06:30   but it had a lot of girls in bikinis was [TS]

00:06:32   that right girls in bikinis there was a [TS]

00:06:34   lot of fisheye lens shots mmm there was [TS]

00:06:37   it was just like a costume parade it was [TS]

00:06:40   a it was like a day at Venice Beach I [TS]

00:06:42   don't know there was a [TS]

00:06:44   of the 80s let's say the version of the [TS]

00:06:46   80s that that was the that was the peak [TS]

00:06:48   moment of it [TS]

00:06:49   peek mid 80s I'm gonna peg to either [TS]

00:06:52   that or you spin me round' by dead her [TS]

00:06:55   life oh well see yeah sure that was one [TS]

00:06:59   of the first well excluding Bananarama [TS]

00:07:01   which we really haven't talked enough [TS]

00:07:02   about excluding Bananarama that's when [TS]

00:07:04   the stock Aitken Waterman thing I think [TS]

00:07:06   that might have been their first essay [TS]

00:07:07   w's first big hit was around and then [TS]

00:07:11   they kind of owned it for a couple years [TS]

00:07:12   everything with bump bump bump I don't [TS]

00:07:14   know but was all octaves everywhere I [TS]

00:07:23   listened to a yeah I listened to that [TS]

00:07:27   the other day I listened to the single [TS]

00:07:29   version which I liked but I listened to [TS]

00:07:31   an extended it starts out mostly [TS]

00:07:34   instrumental and you know that thing [TS]

00:07:35   when they do a remix oh just makes it a [TS]

00:07:37   long version where they would have part [TS]

00:07:38   of the vocals and the vocals would be [TS]

00:07:39   echoey and they call it a remix but man [TS]

00:07:44   that is that is a Swiss clock of [TS]

00:07:47   sequencing that's some nice ass sequence [TS]

00:07:50   anyway I'm taking off your topic but [TS]

00:07:51   that was a pivot point in the mid 80s I [TS]

00:07:54   think was you spin me around but you [TS]

00:07:55   might be right you might be right about [TS]

00:07:56   um about el loco del Colle or that that [TS]

00:08:00   that in the break to like the break in [TS]

00:08:03   that in you spin me right round right [TS]

00:08:08   where it goes [TS]

00:08:15   that's very tough it's fun to play even [TS]

00:08:19   on acoustic guitar you go like you know [TS]

00:08:21   like a GCC or GDD you do like a little [TS]

00:08:25   walk down bump bump bump alright wait [TS]

00:08:28   witness an octave it's an octave [TS]

00:08:29   it's dr. VAR v boy that's an octave [TS]

00:08:32   anyway it's super fun to do but you do a [TS]

00:08:34   walk down it's basically it's basically [TS]

00:08:36   wipeout right it's why is the wipeout [TS]

00:08:40   walk down the wipeout walk down I can't [TS]

00:08:44   there's a there's there's a there's f1 [TS]

00:08:46   tune that also does that yeah they're [TS]

00:08:51   pretty well known one with that exact [TS]

00:08:53   same walk down in the same key I believe [TS]

00:08:54   pretty well yeah pretty well [TS]

00:08:57   Taurus I believe well who was the man [TS]

00:08:59   they ripped off was that Taurus Tarsus [TS]

00:09:01   Tarsus Tarsus his early stairway rip off [TS]

00:09:06   heaven never gonna give you up dude it [TS]

00:09:10   was s aw that was this aw you got Kylie [TS]

00:09:13   Minogue pump up the volume pump up the [TS]

00:09:15   volume pump that maybe we should just [TS]

00:09:21   vocalize psaltery like from a low point [TS]

00:09:26   that was the beginning of the end for me [TS]

00:09:28   that high energy high ass exactly that's [TS]

00:09:32   the genre this and our Jim yeah that was [TS]

00:09:35   for me there were that was where I [TS]

00:09:37   started to pop out of 80's pop Tom okay [TS]

00:09:40   pop cause it was it was so and I'm not [TS]

00:09:43   talking about you spin me round' because [TS]

00:09:46   that was still new wave it felt like [TS]

00:09:50   that was an exciting moment of new wave [TS]

00:09:51   that was well that was also it was with [TS]

00:09:54   his persona and video and the sound I [TS]

00:09:56   mean that was such a new sound that was [TS]

00:09:59   I mean that did not sound like Shannon [TS]

00:10:00   that I'm trying to think of other bands [TS]

00:10:02   of that type but of that the high energy [TS]

00:10:04   stuff but it really though if he was [TS]

00:10:09   doing gender play two at a time when it [TS]

00:10:12   was like what's happening here it was [TS]

00:10:13   very exciting it was a lumberjack I mean [TS]

00:10:18   that guy was really swinging for the [TS]

00:10:19   fences no you're probably right but then [TS]

00:10:27   you slide into you're sliding into 86 [TS]

00:10:30   which in some ways is if not a [TS]

00:10:33   high-water mark it's a mark but 1987 [TS]

00:10:36   things are starting to get pretty rough [TS]

00:10:40   87 88 and 88 I feel like things really [TS]

00:10:43   87 88 like under the surface of the [TS]

00:10:47   water the Ducks feet are moving around [TS]

00:10:48   you're getting some Pixies action but [TS]

00:10:49   like but man a lot of bands really some [TS]

00:10:53   of their poorest work in 1987-88 I think [TS]

00:10:57   of that era as being Bon Jovi dominated [TS]

00:11:00   oh yeah right IANA steel horsey rides [TS]

00:11:06   like in excess kick [TS]

00:11:09   it was which I thought was a low point [TS]

00:11:11   it was it was Def Leppard's adrenalized [TS]

00:11:15   yeah it was all these bands that you [TS]

00:11:19   know that had that it started off kind [TS]

00:11:22   of sounding like teenage ac/dc and by [TS]

00:11:26   the end had become just like comedic [TS]

00:11:31   stadium rock that I just couldn't I [TS]

00:11:35   couldn't I I had to bail out of all of [TS]

00:11:38   that but it was also Peter Gabriel so so [TS]

00:11:43   was hammers 86 yeah I think yeah okay [TS]

00:11:49   here we go I don't wanna go through this [TS]

00:11:50   whole thing because it would take a year [TS]

00:11:51   but the list of Billboard Hot 100 [TS]

00:11:53   number-one singles of 1987 no I know go [TS]

00:11:56   to 88 80 go to 88 cuz you're right that [TS]

00:11:59   was the that was dead dead time 88 okay [TS]

00:12:02   Oh [TS]

00:12:03   start with faith by George Michael [TS]

00:12:05   that's a good song right [TS]

00:12:06   it's so emotional I think better in [TS]

00:12:08   retrospect I got my mind set on you not [TS]

00:12:12   a great song right the way you make me [TS]

00:12:13   feel not peak Jackson I need you tonight [TS]

00:12:15   that's not bug me we you and me we go [TS]

00:12:18   back and forth on the INXS but I think [TS]

00:12:20   the earlier stuff is probably a little [TS]

00:12:21   better I I need you tonight well in [TS]

00:12:24   excess I owe you gonna give you up never [TS]

00:12:35   gonna you know is true I tell you love [TS]

00:12:41   your secret heart [TS]

00:12:44   I was stand-in you were there two worlds [TS]

00:12:50   collided tear us apart we don't know [TS]

00:13:01   that the POW who is that [TS]

00:13:06   okay man in the mirror Oh God get out of [TS]

00:13:10   my dreams to get into my car [TS]

00:13:11   he claims Billy ocean mmm the stone the [TS]

00:13:15   stone roses when did when did Stone [TS]

00:13:17   Roses come out oh shit dog look at this [TS]

00:13:24   okay hang on [TS]

00:13:25   Oh a couple more here let's see wishing [TS]

00:13:28   well that's pretty good song together [TS]

00:13:30   for the flame terrible song a cheap [TS]

00:13:36   trick then you get I actually was really [TS]

00:13:39   into Terence Trent d'Arby for that first [TS]

00:13:42   fighter on that first blast and then you [TS]

00:13:47   know where did he that was a good song [TS]

00:13:59   that was a good record that's when that [TS]

00:14:02   showed up Steve Winwood what do you [TS]

00:14:04   think have you have you noticed this - [TS]

00:14:06   no I think I think what we're getting at [TS]

00:14:08   here yes is the beginning of what I this [TS]

00:14:14   was the first generation gap that I [TS]

00:14:16   strongly felt oh really like you feel [TS]

00:14:19   yeah a little left behind or like you [TS]

00:14:21   walked away from it you popped out well [TS]

00:14:23   yeah not left behind by any means but [TS]

00:14:25   like the the when I was a freshman in [TS]

00:14:28   high school the seniors in high school [TS]

00:14:31   had music that I identified as my music [TS]

00:14:35   right the even the guys that had [TS]

00:14:37   graduated a couple of years before I [TS]

00:14:40   went into high school the music that [TS]

00:14:42   they were listening to that was popular [TS]

00:14:44   at the time right [TS]

00:14:45   we still claimed as ours new wave punk [TS]

00:14:48   rock but also but I mean there was this [TS]

00:14:53   is like this murder of bands from that [TS]

00:14:58   really you know you think of those you [TS]

00:15:00   know if I say late 70s hard rock bands [TS]

00:15:02   there's like six bands we could all name [TS]

00:15:04   that pretty much everybody liked you [TS]

00:15:06   know everybody liked foreigner everybody [TS]

00:15:07   liked Boston [TS]

00:15:08   almost everybody likes getting head back [TS]

00:15:10   in black yeah well yeah the heavier [TS]

00:15:12   stuff but there was like solid hard rock [TS]

00:15:15   that was pretty unobjectionable to [TS]

00:15:17   everybody up until it the early eighties [TS]

00:15:19   when floor [TS]

00:15:20   got synthesizers and stuff like that but [TS]

00:15:22   you put that all the way through I mean [TS]

00:15:25   even in 286 when we were listening to [TS]

00:15:28   Glenn Frey and I mean all that stuff [TS]

00:15:35   came out of bands of the 70s you could [TS]

00:15:38   still make a connection to it yep but [TS]

00:15:41   between 86 when I graduated an 88 two [TS]

00:15:46   years later I still feel like I meet [TS]

00:15:49   people in the world and you want to [TS]

00:15:52   think you graduated high school in 88 we [TS]

00:15:55   are almost exactly the same generation [TS]

00:15:57   but I have feel so much more in common [TS]

00:16:00   with the class of 84 that is that's a [TS]

00:16:04   really good point yes the end of the 70s [TS]

00:16:08   in some ways yeah and by the time I meet [TS]

00:16:11   somebody who graduated in 88 almost all [TS]

00:16:13   of their cultural touchstones are [TS]

00:16:16   different they have different beginning [TS]

00:16:19   points they're not based in a Arrowsmith [TS]

00:16:23   economy yeah they're based in a you know [TS]

00:16:26   they they're they came out of they came [TS]

00:16:29   out of New Wave and and pop metal in a [TS]

00:16:32   totally different way and so I'm I'm [TS]

00:16:34   always feeling like somebody whose [TS]

00:16:35   moment was you know their junior year [TS]

00:16:39   whatever was in the late 80s I just [TS]

00:16:41   can't I don't have that I and I felt it [TS]

00:16:45   even then like what the hell is [TS]

00:16:47   happening to you kids [TS]

00:16:49   right right right they're games now the [TS]

00:16:52   video games really catching on around in [TS]

00:16:53   - yeah and I was 18 years old and I [TS]

00:16:56   already felt like wow and that was [TS]

00:16:59   Bossier between you between two [TS]

00:17:01   generations that was why that the Guns [TS]

00:17:04   N'Roses record was so powerful because [TS]

00:17:06   it felt like a throwback it felt like [TS]

00:17:09   very odd it was really well crafted and [TS]

00:17:13   thought it's really authentic I know [TS]

00:17:16   we'd like to avoid that term run the [TS]

00:17:18   show it's been talking about music but [TS]

00:17:19   it felt like now this is the real deal [TS]

00:17:21   like this is the shit man well because [TS]

00:17:24   those songs were were written in a blues [TS]

00:17:27   vernacular they were blue scale songs [TS]

00:17:29   and all metal at that time had [TS]

00:17:32   transitioned to [TS]

00:17:33   mixolydian you know it had gone it had [TS]

00:17:36   gone through this weird classical this I [TS]

00:17:39   this Yngwie Malmsteen idea that [TS]

00:17:42   classical music was what we were gonna [TS]

00:17:45   bring into metal got some hard rock to [TS]

00:17:47   difficult rock difficult rock right and [TS]

00:17:50   just like with scalloped stupid you're [TS]

00:17:56   absolutely right but also you had to [TS]

00:17:57   know what somebody's gotta laugh jokes [TS]

00:17:59   Marilyn are you there here's the thing [TS]

00:18:01   so this after that I will do all of [TS]

00:18:02   these but here's your run-through feed [TS]

00:18:05   run few days out of the year you [TS]

00:18:06   includes don't worry be happy [TS]

00:18:08   Love Bites by Def Leppard the very [TS]

00:18:11   interesting crazy comeback of red red [TS]

00:18:12   one by ub40 put on the radio I leave the [TS]

00:18:22   venue ready for this November it gets [TS]

00:18:23   pretty good you get to Kokomo Kokomo by [TS]

00:18:27   the Beach Boys you get wild with so with [TS]

00:18:30   Rob Lowe on drums right now on drums [TS]

00:18:33   know it's the father from the San [TS]

00:18:35   Francisco baby show John Stamos played [TS]

00:18:38   something thank you put a question on [TS]

00:18:40   that one [TS]

00:18:41   Wow well West bad medicine your love is [TS]

00:18:44   like bad medicine by Bon Jovi you get [TS]

00:18:48   baby I love your way slash Freiberg [TS]

00:18:50   medley by will to power look away by [TS]

00:18:54   Chicago and finally you know it buddy [TS]

00:18:55   Merry Christmas every rose has its thorn [TS]

00:18:58   by poison annus horribilis that is so [TS]

00:19:04   bad that is such a bad collection of [TS]

00:19:07   songs and you know that should have been [TS]

00:19:08   that should have been peak us I was [TS]

00:19:11   nineteen eighteen nineteen I should have [TS]

00:19:14   been like mm-hm [TS]

00:19:16   and it was at the time I knew it was [TS]

00:19:18   garbage at the time I was listening to [TS]

00:19:21   the Steve Miller Band because there was [TS]

00:19:23   nothing else let's see Oh toy soldiers [TS]

00:19:36   now I'm in 289 by Marty I could do this [TS]

00:19:37   all day yeah yeah yeah me too but I [TS]

00:19:40   don't want to and and I don't want to [TS]

00:19:42   validate that year by talking about it [TS]

00:19:44   now [TS]

00:19:45   lai was such a race down time and and I [TS]

00:19:49   was I had ejected myself from from youth [TS]

00:19:53   culture I don't think I don't think [TS]

00:19:55   people now can understand this the the [TS]

00:19:57   other thing that was happening he's [TS]

00:19:58   culture killed your dog [TS]

00:20:00   well it was the 20 year anniversary of [TS]

00:20:04   the year that the baby boomers cresteds [TS]

00:20:08   of 1968 and there was this total retro [TS]

00:20:16   60s the 60s are gonna make the 90s look [TS]

00:20:20   like the to 2010 it was you had it was [TS]

00:20:24   88 let's see no it might be 89 when you [TS]

00:20:27   had like the harmonic convergence coming [TS]

00:20:29   remember that was gonna be a big thing [TS]

00:20:31   yeah harmonic convergence moronic [TS]

00:20:34   convergence the bhagwan shree rajneesh [TS]

00:20:38   is out there bog warning you got waco [TS]

00:20:42   you get your bug wands Bhagwan and you [TS]

00:20:44   get your weight go no no that was a [TS]

00:20:49   hippie er that was an again I felt kind [TS]

00:20:51   of mad because I've been into the hippie [TS]

00:20:52   stuff a little bit before that so I [TS]

00:20:54   thought I was a little bit played well [TS]

00:20:57   but it was hippie [TS]

00:20:58   it was hippie music but it was also what [TS]

00:21:01   year did the doors movie come out Oh [TS]

00:21:04   with what's the same tile Kilmer doors [TS]

00:21:07   yeah I'm gonna say 1990s my guests 91 [TS]

00:21:13   okay so what was that right in there [TS]

00:21:15   somewhere [TS]

00:21:17   oh my gosh but yet but there was a movie [TS]

00:21:21   and this is before the 80s are gonna [TS]

00:21:24   make those 60s look like the 42s [TS]

00:21:26   mm-hmm there was a there was a Winona [TS]

00:21:30   Ryder movie that had Ironman in it oh [TS]

00:21:37   it's a transition from like brat pack to [TS]

00:21:40   Love Bites no blood bites vote loves [TS]

00:21:42   vulgar vulgar what's the what was her [TS]

00:21:43   movie with the love rush actually love [TS]

00:21:47   stinks [TS]

00:21:52   no but it was a period piece it was set [TS]

00:21:56   in 1968 it may have even been called [TS]

00:21:58   1968 yes and it had like a lot of it had [TS]

00:22:05   a lot of those scenes where somebody's [TS]

00:22:07   driving a Volkswagen bus and it and the [TS]

00:22:09   the soundtrack is Crosby Stills and Nash [TS]

00:22:12   [Laughter] [TS]

00:22:21   60 song you know yeah who likes can't [TS]

00:22:28   heat okay who comes home from work and [TS]

00:22:30   the 60s and puts on fucking canned heat [TS]

00:22:32   I've never understood that [TS]

00:22:33   well that was also the era of singles [TS]

00:22:36   radio everybody was buying 45s then so [TS]

00:22:39   you didn't have to I mean there was [TS]

00:22:40   there was AM radio and all that great [TS]

00:22:43   70s music like long cool woman in a [TS]

00:22:46   black dress like who you know nobody [TS]

00:22:48   bought a Hollies album but they bought [TS]

00:22:50   Hollies single yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:22:53   movies 1969 1969 came out in 1980 1969 [TS]

00:22:57   is gonna make 1988 look like the 42 s [TS]

00:22:59   that's Robert Downey jr. keep referring [TS]

00:23:02   to Kiefer [TS]

00:23:02   Keith er Sutherland you got Bruce [TS]

00:23:04   different Paul Mariette Hartley [TS]

00:23:05   she's a treat Wynonna Rider mmm 69 the [TS]

00:23:10   movie and so I so that was that moment [TS]

00:23:13   where it was like we are like I am 20 [TS]

00:23:17   years old and I am celebrating the [TS]

00:23:19   culture of 20 years ago and everyone's [TS]

00:23:25   wearing little round glasses and drawing [TS]

00:23:27   peace signs on their army jackets party [TS]

00:23:30   world party right yes and and there was [TS]

00:23:36   like this it was all it was that feeling [TS]

00:23:40   that that was the high-water mark of the [TS]

00:23:42   of the 20th century youth culture and we [TS]

00:23:45   don't have our own because punk rock had [TS]

00:23:48   like had become the de-facto youth [TS]

00:23:52   culture of of a tiny fraction of youth [TS]

00:23:56   and everyone else was just you know [TS]

00:23:59   listening to dead or alive and sort of [TS]

00:24:02   seen around it right but even the cult [TS]

00:24:05   even the cult was putting out sixties [TS]

00:24:09   music and rocking 60s Austin Tears for [TS]

00:24:14   Fears sowing the seeds of love as a 60s [TS]

00:24:17   retro don't you think so no it's it's [TS]

00:24:21   basically I mean I've heard talk about [TS]

00:24:23   this it was very influenced I watched [TS]

00:24:27   something a cup this is really quick a [TS]

00:24:28   week or two ago this amazing recent live [TS]

00:24:31   performance by Tears for Fears which [TS]

00:24:32   were primarily it's the two guys plus [TS]

00:24:34   band people and they sounded fucking [TS]

00:24:36   great they sounded so good and I always [TS]

00:24:39   liked that tune I was lying it was very [TS]

00:24:41   very emblematic of that new psychedelia [TS]

00:24:43   or you know what I mean kind of updated [TS]

00:24:45   psychedelia feeling the Tears for Fears [TS]

00:24:48   is an embarrassing moment for me [TS]

00:24:51   one of them one of several right that [TS]

00:24:55   you get that you encountered throughout [TS]

00:24:57   life when Tears for Fears was on the [TS]

00:24:59   radio I despised it and partly it was I [TS]

00:25:04   think I was picking up that that retro [TS]

00:25:07   psychedelic vibe without really may be [TS]

00:25:10   fully grokking where it was coming from [TS]

00:25:12   but the two guys had such frowny faces [TS]

00:25:17   they were just like so over serious and [TS]

00:25:20   so like over emotive and just dramatic [TS]

00:25:24   and it was very synth driven stuff and I [TS]

00:25:28   was I just felt like opposed to it [TS]

00:25:30   because there was a lot of catchy pop on [TS]

00:25:32   the radio at the time yeah and and it [TS]

00:25:35   was also a big period in our lives where [TS]

00:25:37   your reaction to culture was as much [TS]

00:25:40   about oh - talking here about probably [TS]

00:25:43   like more of songs from the big chair [TS]

00:25:45   than the hurting you're talking about [TS]

00:25:46   like the shout era right well the whole [TS]

00:25:50   thing was really good I mean you're [TS]

00:25:52   right when you turn against a band [TS]

00:25:54   though you know and because I'd been a [TS]

00:25:57   huge flock of seagulls fan everybody [TS]

00:25:59   else was what turned against him but I [TS]

00:26:01   didn't think you could deny those [TS]

00:26:02   singles I thought they were so strong [TS]

00:26:04   that you know there wasn't any you [TS]

00:26:06   couldn't futz around home Peter Parker [TS]

00:26:08   goes to the homecoming dance in the [TS]

00:26:10   spider-man movie he walks in there [TS]

00:26:12   playing space a love song great song [TS]

00:26:16   I mean that's not a cultural reference [TS]

00:26:18   point for me but yes I get that you saw [TS]

00:26:21   a spider-man movie once with the one [TS]

00:26:24   that just came out made hundred [TS]

00:26:25   seventeen million dollars and it's [TS]

00:26:26   probably the best Marvel movie ever made [TS]

00:26:27   yeah it's the one I'm talking about [TS]

00:26:29   you're gonna want to see there's no [TS]

00:26:36   origin story in it it goes straight to [TS]

00:26:38   the meat and he's played by an actual [TS]

00:26:39   kid it's really nice there's a nice [TS]

00:26:42   scene with the save it for later which [TS]

00:26:44   is a nice song that's a good song you [TS]

00:26:46   know save it for later and happy [TS]

00:26:47   dangerous flight pole-sitter [TS]

00:26:49   same exact song cover save it for later [TS]

00:26:52   well they did because because I think [TS]

00:26:55   somebody said hey your song is the same [TS]

00:26:57   as that song and then they covered it as [TS]

00:27:00   I kind of like walk those guys the save [TS]

00:27:06   it for later dudes the the pop star you [TS]

00:27:09   beat thank you the beat they became big [TS]

00:27:15   Harvey danger fans and whenever he yeah [TS]

00:27:18   whenever the English beat was in town [TS]

00:27:20   they would call Sean and Sean would jump [TS]

00:27:23   up with them and do save it for later [TS]

00:27:28   complicated that's a complicated [TS]

00:27:30   anecdote so and then Harvey danger would [TS]

00:27:33   do a medley of the two songs but what [TS]

00:27:36   got more complicated way English beat [TS]

00:27:39   singer guy blondie blondie we call him [TS]

00:27:44   according to Sean he started calling him [TS]

00:27:48   too much that's nice to hear we can the [TS]

00:28:16   other guy was ranking Roger [TS]

00:28:17   I remember ranking Roger yep because [TS]

00:28:20   they were before the English be UK they [TS]

00:28:22   were in they had that earlier BAM that [TS]

00:28:26   was even [TS]

00:28:27   like a different no Meah no no no you're [TS]

00:28:32   reversing it the general public and [TS]

00:28:33   before general public was devote oh okay [TS]

00:28:36   okay that's what it is you know what a [TS]

00:28:39   racist I am when I only knew them from [TS]

00:28:41   having their singles collection [TS]

00:28:42   what is beat which is a great singles [TS]

00:28:45   collection I thought the black guy was [TS]

00:28:47   the singer how about that how's that for [TS]

00:28:48   racism there it is there it is you're [TS]

00:28:51   gonna think so Dave weakling but back to [TS]

00:28:57   see ya later on and I'm talking about [TS]

00:29:02   2002 my good friend the Mike Squires [TS]

00:29:10   that we talk about periodically Mike [TS]

00:29:13   Henson remarks recent let's uh you know [TS]

00:29:15   he's a piece of problematic figure oh [TS]

00:29:17   did he have remarks recently what did [TS]

00:29:19   Mike Squires have to say I mean look it [TS]

00:29:20   up from the internet [TS]

00:29:23   Mike squares has got a lot to say [TS]

00:29:25   because Mike is too dumb to know it has [TS]

00:29:33   to say here's what happened I was at [TS]

00:29:36   Mike's house in in Portland Oregon I [TS]

00:29:38   don't know why I probably ran out of gas [TS]

00:29:40   or something and then he was the only [TS]

00:29:41   guy I knew nearby that had a car I was [TS]

00:29:45   there you know Mike has a incredible [TS]

00:29:48   vinyl collection that he curates and it [TS]

00:29:51   is it is really formidable this [TS]

00:29:55   collection of vinyl and it's the hairs [TS]

00:29:56   he cares and he put on Tears for Fears [TS]

00:30:01   the hurting and he said hey dummy this [TS]

00:30:06   is a great album and I said yeah yeah [TS]

00:30:11   right I don't like them and he said shut [TS]

00:30:14   up and listen and he played it and it's [TS]

00:30:18   undeniable a classic pop album they're [TS]

00:30:22   really really good songs and the [TS]

00:30:25   performance is very distinctive the [TS]

00:30:27   musicianship is very high and and as I [TS]

00:30:32   listened to the record I had gradually [TS]

00:30:35   their frowny faces their dumb British [TS]

00:30:38   frowny faces went out of my head [TS]

00:30:40   and was replaced by this in who you know [TS]

00:30:42   like what ended up being an incredible [TS]

00:30:44   appreciation of them so now you know it [TS]

00:30:46   was a late in life like epiphany and now [TS]

00:30:52   I feel like oh I should have liked them [TS]

00:30:55   all along I like them now a lot I when [TS]

00:30:58   their music comes on I'm always excited [TS]

00:30:59   and it was because that big you know Oh [TS]

00:31:02   Mike Squires right it had to give me an [TS]

00:31:05   education which I didn't like getting [TS]

00:31:08   from him of all people [TS]

00:31:10   oh it's kind of a double for you served [TS]

00:31:14   he's given me he served me a bunch of [TS]

00:31:16   times that's one of the reasons that one [TS]

00:31:23   of the reasons history will record him [TS]

00:31:24   as history's greatest English [TS]

00:31:25   skree politi another one what was that [TS]

00:31:27   there's another band what's the one I'm [TS]

00:31:28   thinking of that got better every album [TS]

00:31:29   they had like a screenplay was good but [TS]

00:31:31   then there was the one that was the band [TS]

00:31:33   that like had an 80's hit that we all [TS]

00:31:34   kind of go ha ha ha 80s hit but then [TS]

00:31:36   they have like better album after better [TS]

00:31:38   album in the late eighties and early 90s [TS]

00:31:39   some space not right now but you know [TS]

00:31:43   it's funny it's like a sweep up right [TS]

00:31:45   you get some innocent civilians get get [TS]

00:31:47   swept up in the dragnet and I think [TS]

00:31:50   that's the case I mean we've all [TS]

00:31:51   certainly written off certain songs or [TS]

00:31:54   bands because you go oh it's that thing [TS]

00:31:55   and I think that I think that happened [TS]

00:31:58   with them well then you know it happened [TS]

00:32:00   with Tears for Fears but also songs from [TS]

00:32:02   the big chair really got the singles [TS]

00:32:05   from that got really overplayed to where [TS]

00:32:06   I would dread hearing the beginning of [TS]

00:32:08   everybody wants to rule the world yeah [TS]

00:32:11   absolutely although there were singles [TS]

00:32:13   from that era that got over over [TS]

00:32:16   overplayed that I never got tired of so [TS]

00:32:20   there was something to that everybody [TS]

00:32:22   wants to rule the world that I still [TS]

00:32:24   have a trouble I still have trouble [TS]

00:32:25   listening to that song it was just like [TS]

00:32:27   jam down my throat if the rides was such [TS]

00:32:29   a prom theme you know it was just like [TS]

00:32:33   prom where as I will listen to that Don [TS]

00:32:38   Henley song about the about Central [TS]

00:32:41   America whatever the fuck that was don't [TS]

00:32:46   know freaks oh sure right right right [TS]

00:32:49   it was to do is dance I [TS]

00:32:53   Nevada all day and that was on the radio [TS]

00:32:55   constantly and that is a pie all you [TS]

00:32:58   know by all standards pretty bad but I [TS]

00:33:02   when that comes on I'm like yeah alright [TS]

00:33:04   I'll take it oh sorry yeah thought [TS]

00:33:06   technology in your direction I I don't I [TS]

00:33:08   don't want or need an answer now but [TS]

00:33:10   it's something I've just been thinking [TS]

00:33:12   about in the back of my mind for a while [TS]

00:33:14   especially since we've done this show [TS]

00:33:15   and talk so much about cocaine in music [TS]

00:33:18   you don't have to answer this now but I [TS]

00:33:21   wonder if you were to cast your mind [TS]

00:33:24   back over the years without knowing [TS]

00:33:26   specifics necessarily do you how much do [TS]

00:33:33   you think you would be able to go back [TS]

00:33:34   and identify what songs are fairly [TS]

00:33:38   legitimate zeitgeist hits which songs [TS]

00:33:41   got pretty puffed up because of the way [TS]

00:33:43   songs were recorded before SoundScan [TS]

00:33:45   would you be able to identify which [TS]

00:33:47   songs aren't were so improbably popular [TS]

00:33:50   because of paola or similar do you think [TS]

00:33:53   you could do that would you be able to [TS]

00:33:54   go back and go oh that's why that's why [TS]

00:33:57   starship was so popular in improbable [TS]

00:33:59   because of cocaine you're saying well I [TS]

00:34:01   mean on the one hand okay so I'm trying [TS]

00:34:02   to get out these these three axes we're [TS]

00:34:04   like on the one hand there's like you [TS]

00:34:05   take a song like what sugar sugar by the [TS]

00:34:07   Archies like that's a legitimately [TS]

00:34:09   catchy pop song and you can understand [TS]

00:34:10   why that would be a really popular song [TS]

00:34:11   yeah there are others where I mean this [TS]

00:34:14   the story has been told many times when [TS]

00:34:16   they flip the switch to SoundScan a lot [TS]

00:34:18   of stuff changed because I'm not telling [TS]

00:34:20   you this I'm telling anybody our [TS]

00:34:22   audience and you correct me if I'm wrong [TS]

00:34:23   but basically it used to be like pretty [TS]

00:34:25   much reporting and self reporting there [TS]

00:34:27   was a number of Records shipped and then [TS]

00:34:28   they will call around and you call the [TS]

00:34:30   record store frequently the record store [TS]

00:34:32   would say oh yeah you know what's [TS]

00:34:33   popular this one album we have way too [TS]

00:34:36   many copies of and need to move right so [TS]

00:34:38   maybe this on the second level you got [TS]

00:34:39   the dicey recording in the sound scam [TS]

00:34:42   basically brought in this idea of like [TS]

00:34:43   okay here's the reports on what people [TS]

00:34:45   actually bought with money in a record [TS]

00:34:47   store this week which was revolutionary [TS]

00:34:49   because what do we discover hey people [TS]

00:34:51   like hip hop and people like country and [TS]

00:34:52   country owned the charts for years after [TS]

00:34:54   that [TS]

00:34:55   once they change the way was the codecs [TS]

00:34:56   measured everything like hip up to right [TS]

00:35:00   hip hop took over from there absolutely [TS]

00:35:02   well Ian like I think it probably helped [TS]

00:35:04   a lot to realize wow this stuff actually [TS]

00:35:05   is really selling very well [TS]

00:35:07   and it's getting at that point we're [TS]

00:35:09   seeing a little poppier but I mean I [TS]

00:35:10   wonder I just sometimes wonder like you [TS]

00:35:12   know just a little bit little bit Alex [TS]

00:35:14   Jones conspiracy theory stuff here but [TS]

00:35:15   like I wonder like if with that [TS]

00:35:17   particular lens if you think you could [TS]

00:35:19   go back and go like oh that explains why [TS]

00:35:22   we heard so much like Def Leppard I [TS]

00:35:26   don't like that flip I you know I'm [TS]

00:35:28   sorry I don't like post photograph Def [TS]

00:35:32   Leppard's so much but I understand why [TS]

00:35:34   they're popular it was like you know it [TS]

00:35:36   was poppy you know uh that one guy [TS]

00:35:40   Shania Twain's ex you know that God [TS]

00:35:44   needs a pop you know I'm saying though [TS]

00:35:45   do you think you could go back would you [TS]

00:35:46   be able to eyeball it and know which [TS]

00:35:47   ones were pretty much straight up like [TS]

00:35:49   here's some cocaine play this album I [TS]

00:35:50   feel I feel like the others the other [TS]

00:35:53   thing in there is that again because it [TS]

00:35:57   was hard to know whose culture we will [TS]

00:36:00   we were dealing with at that time [TS]

00:36:01   because the baby boomers like do you [TS]

00:36:05   remember the tape TV show 30-something [TS]

00:36:08   right the baby boomers were in their [TS]

00:36:11   mid-30s which now we think of because [TS]

00:36:14   you and I are in our 40s or you know [TS]

00:36:17   around our 40s you know we look at 34 [TS]

00:36:25   year olds and say I mean 34 you're just [TS]

00:36:28   like getting started you're just a child [TS]

00:36:30   you're only just getting normal right [TS]

00:36:32   now come on [TS]

00:36:33   34 like finally you're kicking into gear [TS]

00:36:36   right when you're 29 you think you know [TS]

00:36:38   anything but by 34 you're like okay yeah [TS]

00:36:41   and at the time right we were teenagers [TS]

00:36:44   third polls seemed like they were you [TS]

00:36:47   know they like might as well give up I [TS]

00:36:50   mean you're already you've already [TS]

00:36:52   transitioned to irrelevant adulthood but [TS]

00:36:56   that was the baby boomers then and they [TS]

00:36:58   were still they were so much larger a [TS]

00:37:00   generation than we were that they were [TS]

00:37:02   still shoving heard it through the [TS]

00:37:04   grapevine down our throats right and and [TS]

00:37:07   they were still out like a predominant [TS]

00:37:10   market force well and they were the most [TS]

00:37:13   self-congratulatory generation of all [TS]

00:37:15   time and the most like self you know [TS]

00:37:18   just like soaking in [TS]

00:37:19   their own their own at what turns out to [TS]

00:37:22   be fairly recent past and so what you [TS]

00:37:26   have is which job is Jefferson Airplane [TS]

00:37:29   turning into Jefferson Starship who [TS]

00:37:31   actually had a couple of pretty good [TS]

00:37:35   hits in the late seventies yes you know [TS]

00:37:39   pretty good rock songs and then they [TS]

00:37:43   switch over to Jefferson or they'd [TS]

00:37:46   switch over to starship right and they [TS]

00:37:49   get two or three - I think just gimme [TS]

00:37:55   hits where it's like they've earned it [TS]

00:37:58   somehow they are in the in that oral [TS]

00:38:03   history of we built the city Grace Jones [TS]

00:38:04   it basically said like I would make some [TS]

00:38:06   money like I want to recount what are [TS]

00:38:07   you able to retire whatever it takes I [TS]

00:38:10   would like a giant giant hit please and [TS]

00:38:11   thank you and so and what they had then [TS]

00:38:14   was the pre SoundScan they had the [TS]

00:38:18   goodwill and the relationships with the [TS]

00:38:22   music business people who again were all [TS]

00:38:25   like pre 40 years old and they could [TS]

00:38:29   just say here's our new record make it a [TS]

00:38:31   hit and they're A&R and they're then the [TS]

00:38:34   president of the record company had [TS]

00:38:35   probably made his bones to Jefferson [TS]

00:38:39   Airplane and it was and you know you [TS]

00:38:42   look at that 80's heart record where [TS]

00:38:46   heart was like incredible band [TS]

00:38:49   throughout the 70s is so good in the 80s [TS]

00:38:53   it was just like what are you doing stop [TS]

00:38:55   please don't do that [TS]

00:38:56   and I love those girls and I know you [TS]

00:38:59   know I'm really good friends with one of [TS]

00:39:01   the women that that co-wrote some of [TS]

00:39:03   their songs who's a Seattle a luminary [TS]

00:39:08   and and grammy-winning artist and Linda [TS]

00:39:11   what's week one of my favorite no no no [TS]

00:39:14   not not Linda what's her name okay she [TS]

00:39:18   didn't write she didn't co-write like [TS]

00:39:19   the big seventies hits but she she was a [TS]

00:39:22   she was a friend and a co-writer with [TS]

00:39:23   them but during the era that [TS]

00:39:30   those those those mid-80s to talk about [TS]

00:39:35   like these dreams yeah it was just like [TS]

00:39:38   a knife in my heart yeah no pun intended [TS]

00:39:42   and then you get then you get all the [TS]

00:39:44   members of the Eagles and all the [TS]

00:39:46   members of Genesis and all the members [TS]

00:39:49   of you know and you get the Rolling [TS]

00:39:51   Stones solo records and it was just like [TS]

00:39:54   payday for all these people that had [TS]

00:39:57   that had made you know made their [TS]

00:40:01   epaulettes throughout the 70s that they [TS]

00:40:05   were still in charge of the culture [TS]

00:40:07   there wasn't anything there were no [TS]

00:40:08   upstarts right and punk rock was kept [TS]

00:40:12   out for the most part I mean new wave [TS]

00:40:14   was was gathered together and and made [TS]

00:40:17   into and and like almost immediately [TS]

00:40:20   defanged and turned into bubblegum music [TS]

00:40:24   but that's what I account for that and I [TS]

00:40:28   think cocaine is accessory to it because [TS]

00:40:33   that whole generation also was was you [TS]

00:40:37   know like had the incredible bad cocaine [TS]

00:40:40   judgment think about the Eric Clapton [TS]

00:40:44   hits of the eighties and then that weird [TS]

00:40:56   eighties blues revival with BB King [TS]

00:41:00   suddenly being a huge star and Robert [TS]

00:41:04   Cray and you got the Stevie Ray Vaughan [TS]

00:41:07   circa 85 [TS]

00:41:08   yeah and Stevie Ray is just he's just [TS]

00:41:11   playing Texas Hendrix [TS]

00:41:12   those are good albums in their killer [TS]

00:41:15   albums yeah killer who's rockin ZZ Top [TS]

00:41:18   you get you from your buddies in ZZ Top [TS]

00:41:19   kind of like we can't we can't talk shit [TS]

00:41:23   about southern rock oh no no I'm not [TS]

00:41:25   talking shit about any of these people [TS]

00:41:26   in that case but no you're right but [TS]

00:41:27   like yeah Clapton had the he did that [TS]

00:41:31   new version the slow version of after [TS]

00:41:32   midnight he did what was this other big [TS]

00:41:37   stuff you're right though yeah you're [TS]

00:41:38   right you're right those inner everybody [TS]

00:41:40   was not cashing in is the wrong word cuz [TS]

00:41:43   doesn't totally [TS]

00:41:44   caPSURE it it was more like it was like [TS]

00:41:45   some credibility bond had matured and [TS]

00:41:49   they were apart like a lots of people [TS]

00:41:50   were cashing in bits of their [TS]

00:41:51   credibility bond at that point do you [TS]

00:41:53   know what I mean [TS]

00:41:54   and yeah absolutely and one of the one [TS]

00:41:57   of the ones that I would make an [TS]

00:41:58   exception for is permanent vacation by [TS]

00:42:01   Aerosmith which was Aerosmith's comeback [TS]

00:42:06   longest run DMC [TS]

00:42:08   mmm-hmm like Run DMC pulled Aerosmith [TS]

00:42:12   out of the trash bin of history weren't [TS]

00:42:14   amazing what an amazing how did this [TS]

00:42:16   ever happen story when you really think [TS]

00:42:18   about it well yeah and it just and I run [TS]

00:42:21   DMC gave us such an education in the [TS]

00:42:23   early days in history of hip hop by [TS]

00:42:26   doing that just like this is how we did [TS]

00:42:28   it we took these records that have these [TS]

00:42:30   cool breaks like oh no no no no no no [TS]

00:42:33   and we just looped them and wrapped over [TS]

00:42:36   them so that's how it started so anyway [TS]

00:42:38   thanks a lot we're gonna give this [TS]

00:42:40   little like we're gonna throw this bone [TS]

00:42:41   to Aerosmith who have been I mean [TS]

00:42:44   there's a there's a great story in that [TS]

00:42:46   Aerosmith autobiography of Joey Wanaka [TS]

00:42:48   or whatever where he's driving his [TS]

00:42:51   Ferrari on the highway on like you know [TS]

00:42:53   interstate 95 or something like that and [TS]

00:42:57   and he's just like so drugged out he's [TS]

00:43:02   not paying attention and a semi truck [TS]

00:43:04   stops on the highway in front of him and [TS]

00:43:06   he just drives the Ferrari right up [TS]

00:43:08   underneath that's right up underneath [TS]

00:43:09   the semi I guess he has time that's time [TS]

00:43:12   to duck and there was some scene in the [TS]

00:43:14   in the recording studio with those guys [TS]

00:43:18   where where somebody was shooting a [TS]

00:43:20   crossbow like in the studio I mean those [TS]

00:43:23   guys should have there's not a single [TS]

00:43:25   member of Aerosmith that should be alive [TS]

00:43:27   and then they came out with that with [TS]

00:43:30   permanent vacation which although it [TS]

00:43:34   features the garbage track dudes look [TS]

00:43:37   dude looks like a lady mm-hmm it was it [TS]

00:43:41   was a killer record it had killer tunes [TS]

00:43:43   on it is that is that also like the [TS]

00:43:45   beginning of the Alicia Silverstone [TS]

00:43:47   videos era that came that came later you [TS]

00:43:52   know permanent vacation was the was the [TS]

00:43:55   tour that Guns and Roses Oak [TS]

00:43:57   for Aerosmith really I think also it [TS]

00:43:59   didn't didn't that Linda what's your [TS]

00:44:00   name right some of those primitive [TS]

00:44:02   vacation to her name its anon blonde [TS]

00:44:09   lady right didn't she write no that has [TS]

00:44:11   that has to be later hmm [TS]

00:44:13   poor not Blanc he came later okay so you [TS]

00:44:16   got hard time dude looks like a lady [TS]

00:44:17   ragdoll 1989 you got pump like the [TS]

00:44:28   trucks having intercourse look at that [TS]

00:44:30   yeah lava and I when pump came out and [TS]

00:44:35   I'd been a permanent vacation fan I [TS]

00:44:37   remember walking down the streets of [TS]

00:44:39   some little town and there was a record [TS]

00:44:41   store and prominently featured in the [TS]

00:44:44   window was the record cover of pump [TS]

00:44:46   their new album which they had raced out [TS]

00:44:48   you know pretty pretty quickly after [TS]

00:44:51   permanent vacation and I felt that weird [TS]

00:44:54   feeling of like we're feeling you used [TS]

00:44:56   to get in Europe when you would see [TS]

00:44:59   something American and feel a kinship [TS]

00:45:03   with it immediately because you know [TS]

00:45:06   Europe European still had mostly [TS]

00:45:08   positive feelings about America and [TS]

00:45:11   there would be something in the window [TS]

00:45:13   of a shop that was like the new record [TS]

00:45:15   from American band Aerosmith and I was [TS]

00:45:19   like that's right that's right [TS]

00:45:20   how you like how you like us now [TS]

00:45:21   Frenchie's yeah listen to Aerosmith I [TS]

00:45:25   bet I don't know I'm not saying I could [TS]

00:45:39   pick it out but you know it's just it's [TS]

00:45:41   another data point is all I'm saying [TS]

00:45:44   it's a very confusing time and I I think [TS]

00:45:47   we might be too close to it to to [TS]

00:45:50   properly analyze it because every time [TS]

00:45:52   you think you've got the 80s by by the [TS]

00:45:55   nose then you know then somebody throws [TS]

00:45:58   out some new thing where it's like oh [TS]

00:46:00   well what do you have to say about [TS]

00:46:02   Metallica mmm-hmm and then you're like [TS]

00:46:04   ah fuck what it Metallica how does that [TS]

00:46:07   where does that fit into anything that [TS]

00:46:09   first the first suit you know [TS]

00:46:11   like ride the lightning how do you how [TS]

00:46:13   do you account for that so it's um yeah [TS]

00:46:18   it's it's a little bit of a what was [TS]

00:46:20   that what was it what was that ban I'm [TS]

00:46:23   trying to remember the ban the very late [TS]

00:46:24   eighties band where the singer was so [TS]

00:46:28   Cokie just frenetic high-energy dancey [TS]

00:46:32   music and the singer had like colored [TS]

00:46:35   dreads that were he was a white guy [TS]

00:46:36   colored dreads piled up on top of his [TS]

00:46:39   head and he was dancing around just [TS]

00:46:41   flailing waving his arms it was the [TS]

00:46:43   beginning of that era where music videos [TS]

00:46:45   happened on a completely white [TS]

00:46:47   background music that would become like [TS]

00:46:52   yeah unbelievable [TS]

00:46:53   like would become that kind of music [TS]

00:46:54   yeah that stuff were pre delight mmm [TS]

00:46:58   like dance music but but done as though [TS]

00:47:02   it's rock it's not Jamiroquai that's [TS]

00:47:07   later on no that's later on big hat [TS]

00:47:09   music there was that video of a band [TS]

00:47:17   like maybe they even had two hits or he [TS]

00:47:19   had two heads it was a guy that wore his [TS]

00:47:22   hat down over his face and you could [TS]

00:47:24   never see his face cuz he had his hat [TS]

00:47:25   down over his eyes it was a type of [TS]

00:47:27   thing and and the the cover of his [TS]

00:47:29   record was just the bottom of his tennis [TS]

00:47:30   shoes you could kind of see him in the [TS]

00:47:32   background there's a lot of this stuff [TS]

00:47:35   it really appeals to the English like an [TS]

00:47:38   English pop music fan the the small [TS]

00:47:41   device of like this guy wears his hat [TS]

00:47:44   down over his eyes and it's like he's [TS]

00:47:46   the hit of the summer like how does the [TS]

00:47:50   British pop market like understand [TS]

00:47:53   itself how can you look yourself in [TS]

00:47:56   these it selves in the eye with the [TS]

00:47:58   chain saw [TS]

00:47:59   what was that remember the band with the [TS]

00:48:04   [Music] [TS]

00:48:05   guy would play chainsaws v Bend with a [TS]

00:48:12   chainsaw hmm what was that what was that [TS]

00:48:15   band what band with chain saw don't [TS]

00:48:20   overthink no my eye [TS]

00:48:26   Kyl Jekyll you wonder are they Christian [TS]

00:48:31   Wow yes [TS]

00:48:33   the this my friend here in Seattle who [TS]

00:48:35   co-wrote heart songs did not write the [TS]

00:48:37   the early 70s once but did I'm now [TS]

00:48:40   researching did co-write straight on [TS]

00:48:43   coming straight up to you yeah right [TS]

00:48:46   even it up these are killer man killer [TS]

00:48:50   late seventies heart tunes right you [TS]

00:48:54   want to think it's all Barracuda but [TS]

00:48:56   then you like heart kept it comin [TS]

00:48:58   yeah and then dog and butterfly which [TS]

00:49:00   was a song that that Ken Stringfellow [TS]

00:49:03   and I covered on the Ken Stringfellow [TS]

00:49:07   tour where the long winters were his [TS]

00:49:09   backing band oh I was I was at that yeah [TS]

00:49:12   so I don't know if I mentioned that to [TS]

00:49:15   you you met Scott Miller that man I find [TS]

00:49:18   ever mentioned it to you [TS]

00:49:21   right right so so there were there were [TS]

00:49:24   several phases of heart the several [TS]

00:49:27   phases of heart but oh the 80s heart and [TS]

00:49:31   then you know then heart brought it back [TS]

00:49:33   of course by by the grunge era like they [TS]

00:49:37   I think I think heart saw themselves or [TS]

00:49:39   they saw grunge in themselves not least [TS]

00:49:42   because Cameron Crowe made the it the [TS]

00:49:45   Nancy Wilson like crossover but yeah so [TS]

00:49:49   she's doing soundtracks and songs for [TS]

00:49:52   his films a lot right mmm that is a [TS]

00:49:56   thing that is a thing that is a thing [TS]

00:49:58   yeah no I'm not criticizing I'm just [TS]

00:50:00   saying no no no I [TS]

00:50:02   if I could do soundtracks for Cameron [TS]

00:50:05   Crowe films I would I heard I heard that [TS]

00:50:10   and you know when you think about it [TS]

00:50:11   like Ann Wilson was 30 years old in 1990 [TS]

00:50:20   what is that right [TS]

00:50:22   no she's gotta be older than that Oh 40 [TS]

00:50:24   years old 40 years old but still yeah I [TS]

00:50:27   mean 46 young kids good deal older than [TS]

00:50:30   Cameron right well that I was talk about [TS]

00:50:33   and I'm you know I'm lost [TS]

00:50:35   I'm looking at the Internet which makes [TS]

00:50:41   for a great podcast well uh I heard [TS]

00:50:45   through the grapevine that Cameron Crowe [TS]

00:50:48   was a fan of a long winter oh I feel [TS]

00:50:52   like you might have mentioned this you [TS]

00:50:53   were waiting for a call for a long time [TS]

00:50:55   weren't you have this is one of these [TS]

00:50:56   grapevine situations where you're like [TS]

00:50:58   how do I verify that right who do I call [TS]

00:51:03   to say hey I hear you yeah you you know [TS]

00:51:35   him like one time one time we played in [TS]

00:51:39   New York City and and after the show [TS]

00:51:43   somebody said oh AC Newman was here I [TS]

00:51:46   was like AC Newman was that a long [TS]

00:51:48   winter show oh yeah yeah it's great yeah [TS]

00:51:51   you know big fan of the band big fan and [TS]

00:51:53   so then I'm like oh shit AC Newman's a [TS]

00:51:56   big fan of the band yeah that's a big [TS]

00:52:00   deal I mean I mean you're like you know [TS]

00:52:03   it's like it's got Miller type situation [TS]

00:52:05   like when there's somebody who's like [TS]

00:52:06   you're special like you know don't be [TS]

00:52:08   creepy about it but like you know Zuppa [TS]

00:52:10   know and New Pornographers were like man [TS]

00:52:12   that was that was my jam yeah sure I [TS]

00:52:15   mean he's one of the great pop song [TS]

00:52:17   writers of our race he's got that kind [TS]

00:52:20   of like at least maybe less so now that [TS]

00:52:23   you know they've kind of the people know [TS]

00:52:25   them and stuff but like or like Ted Leo [TS]

00:52:26   frig's it for that matter where it's [TS]

00:52:28   tough we were like no but like that's my [TS]

00:52:29   special secret band and like to even the [TS]

00:52:31   inkling that they might even know who [TS]

00:52:32   you are such a big deal that's so [TS]

00:52:34   exciting [TS]

00:52:35   well and so every time I would see him [TS]

00:52:37   at like festivals or something like that [TS]

00:52:40   I would kind of roll up on him he's not [TS]

00:52:45   a reason I roll up kind of guy [TS]

00:52:48   what's up how's it going car going [TS]

00:52:54   through it perverted guys super you know [TS]

00:53:07   we'd always have a super smile on his [TS]

00:53:09   face but I'd be like remember me if you [TS]

00:53:16   were at our show you were at our show [TS]

00:53:20   yeah he was always really friendly and [TS]

00:53:22   we had we used to have fun on the [TS]

00:53:24   internet together but you know but I [TS]

00:53:26   definitely like feel like I kind of was [TS]

00:53:30   so glad that he was at that chair [TS]

00:53:32   question John if there should be a way [TS]

00:53:34   to ask like you know and this hasn't [TS]

00:53:37   gotten you past though means so many of [TS]

00:53:38   both of us got it's best so many all the [TS]

00:53:40   great shows and moments there should be [TS]

00:53:41   some kind of a code where we just go [TS]

00:53:43   wrong idea who I am like really awkward [TS]

00:53:48   four four four six minutes to 14 years [TS]

00:53:52   well this was always my thing with Doug [TS]

00:53:54   Marsh I would roll up on him at every [TS]

00:53:56   single event and Doug Marsh's as [TS]

00:53:58   introverted as a fucking clam I didn't [TS]

00:54:01   know oh yeah open to show a little bit [TS]

00:54:03   and you're like hello and he squirts [TS]

00:54:04   saltwater slams shut and I'd be like hi [TS]

00:54:10   it's me again John Roderick and I'm not [TS]

00:54:25   even gonna try the you know if I'm [TS]

00:54:28   standing next to him at a buffet [TS]

00:54:30   backstage somewhere and he takes a [TS]

00:54:32   strawberry maybe I'll take a strawberry [TS]

00:54:34   but I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna be [TS]

00:54:36   like hey look at us - strawberry loving [TS]

00:54:38   guys [TS]

00:54:45   the Cameron Crowe thing I actually went [TS]

00:54:48   to my people various people publicist [TS]

00:54:52   agent you know and I was like hey the [TS]

00:54:56   word on the street and I cannot tell you [TS]

00:54:58   where this word came from at the time I [TS]

00:55:00   probably could have [TS]

00:55:01   now I have no recollection but Cameron [TS]

00:55:04   Crowe is a fan of the long winter so you [TS]

00:55:08   guys do your job and figure out how to [TS]

00:55:12   get cameron crowe to do something where [TS]

00:55:16   he loves me publicly and you know my [TS]

00:55:19   people were just like huh [TS]

00:55:20   what yeah I don't you know we don't have [TS]

00:55:23   his phone number and it's really a big [TS]

00:55:25   workflow for this particular kind of [TS]

00:55:27   thing [TS]

00:55:28   yeah just like I'll call his people Hey [TS]

00:55:32   hi this is Joe publicist can you can [TS]

00:55:41   find out from Cameron if he's ever heard [TS]

00:55:43   of John Roderick just don't don't make a [TS]

00:55:45   big deal out of it yeah do you like me [TS]

00:55:47   yes or no check one exactly and you know [TS]

00:55:52   the it still is possible that one day [TS]

00:55:54   he'll make one of those classic Cameron [TS]

00:55:56   Crowe films and there will be a long [TS]

00:55:58   winter song in it and I'll be like [TS]

00:56:00   validated mm-hmm life validation the the [TS]

00:56:05   song lumberjack was released by jackal [TS]

00:56:08   JC k yl in 1991 here's some the lyrics I [TS]

00:56:12   was born in the backwoods of a two-bit [TS]

00:56:15   nowhere town fathered up some rock and [TS]

00:56:17   roll baby so your mothers could boogie [TS]

00:56:18   down [TS]

00:56:19   I ain't whistling Dixie no I'm a rebel [TS]

00:56:22   with a groove all the way from the world [TS]

00:56:24   they go round and round when they dig on [TS]

00:56:26   my new stainless steel sound wait a [TS]

00:56:29   minute was that a rat reference was that [TS]

00:56:31   a little like tap a little rat reference [TS]

00:56:33   there they go rap baby I'm a lumberjack [TS]

00:56:37   baby I'm gonna cut you down to size I'm [TS]

00:56:38   a lumberjack baby and you're the one [TS]

00:56:40   that gets my prize when you hear my [TS]

00:56:42   motor running you know I surely be cup [TS]

00:56:44   and a rise so I'm gonna crank it up and [TS]

00:56:47   cut it down no no none of them I have an [TS]

00:56:51   interesting story about that the jackals [TS]

00:56:53   the lumberjack okay yeah which is I was [TS]

00:56:59   so I took my daughter to a choir class [TS]

00:57:02   which is like little girl little girl [TS]

00:57:04   choir apparently at the level of choir [TS]

00:57:09   the genders are really separated still [TS]

00:57:13   because there is girl choir and I have [TS]

00:57:16   no idea where there is whether there is [TS]

00:57:18   boy choir because I have a little girl [TS]

00:57:20   and you are not given access to boy [TS]

00:57:22   choir and there are no boys at all at [TS]

00:57:25   girl choir okay not only know little [TS]

00:57:27   boys but also there are no boys in the [TS]

00:57:30   form of adult people's waiting in the [TS]

00:57:33   hall even it's like a very mom daughter [TS]

00:57:37   kind of situation they got a whole [TS]

00:57:40   separate building if there is a boy [TS]

00:57:41   choir it ain't in here I don't know [TS]

00:57:43   where they are and I don't know where [TS]

00:57:44   their concerts are I have no idea [TS]

00:57:46   whether they even exist to check out it [TS]

00:57:48   but I said you know I said I have a [TS]

00:57:52   little girl I want her to go to choir [TS]

00:57:53   obviously for obvious reasons I went to [TS]

00:57:55   choir and choir is important and so so [TS]

00:58:00   I'm the dad at choir who's standing in [TS]

00:58:03   the hall listening to them you know sing [TS]

00:58:06   the ABC song because they're little [TS]

00:58:07   girls and they've you know that not a [TS]

00:58:09   single one of them can carry a tune and [TS]

00:58:13   so I'm out in the hall and I'm talking [TS]

00:58:14   to the other moms and we're you know [TS]

00:58:18   talking mom stuff and the choir the [TS]

00:58:23   little girl choir that's happening is [TS]

00:58:25   happening in one of what we would [TS]

00:58:27   describe as Seattle's more affluent yet [TS]

00:58:31   still downtown neighborhoods okay [TS]

00:58:34   it's not one of the affluent [TS]

00:58:35   neighborhoods where people have moved [TS]

00:58:37   out to the suburbs and have just abandon [TS]

00:58:41   all hope [TS]

00:58:41   it's the downtown neighborhood where [TS]

00:58:44   people are buying 1902 houses with eight [TS]

00:58:48   bedrooms in them and God knows what [TS]

00:58:51   doing what with them why there are two [TS]

00:58:53   two bedrooms that are just full of junky [TS]

00:58:55   kids toys because nobody needs an eight [TS]

00:58:57   bedroom house to get a gift-wrapping [TS]

00:58:59   room you get a mudroom yeah that's right [TS]

00:59:01   this is my office and that's daddy's [TS]

00:59:03   office and never come into my office you [TS]

00:59:05   can come into my house but not my den [TS]

00:59:07   right exactly don't go into Daddy's [TS]

00:59:10   library and it's because one or both of [TS]

00:59:14   them work at either Microsoft or Amazon [TS]

00:59:17   maybe Starbucks and they just have more [TS]

00:59:20   money than they know what to do with and [TS]

00:59:22   they but they want to retain their [TS]

00:59:24   downtown miss so they buy a house in [TS]

00:59:27   anyway so I'm talking and there are a [TS]

00:59:29   lot of people like that that meet that [TS]

00:59:31   criteria at the playground that's around [TS]

00:59:34   my daughter's school because the the [TS]

00:59:37   school in the neighborhood where my [TS]

00:59:39   daughter school is it either the people [TS]

00:59:41   that live there are either University of [TS]

00:59:43   Washington professors and it's the class [TS]

00:59:45   it's the traditional neighborhood of [TS]

00:59:46   that or people that that have a very [TS]

00:59:50   short commute to the Microsoft campus [TS]

00:59:55   but still live in town anyway so I'm [TS]

00:59:57   talking to the moms [TS]

00:59:57   talking to the moms [TS]

01:00:00   and one of them says you know one of [TS]

01:00:02   them kind of has this like East Coast [TS]

01:00:05   accent and we get talking and she's like [TS]

01:00:08   well yeah you know I moved out here you [TS]

01:00:13   know sort of in the 90s and you know and [TS]

01:00:17   now we live in this big house and I kind [TS]

01:00:18   of you know got this little girl a mom a [TS]

01:00:22   mom ended up and I'm like I'm mom ended [TS]

01:00:25   up too and I was here in the early [TS]

01:00:26   nineties like did you move here for [TS]

01:00:28   grunge and she said grunge yeah I hated [TS]

01:00:35   grunge I was like you hated grunge you [TS]

01:00:40   and I are the same age fish and you were [TS]

01:00:43   in Seattle in 1991 what the hell were [TS]

01:00:46   you doing here mm-hmm [TS]

01:00:48   we didn't allow 22 year olds to come [TS]

01:00:51   here who hated grunge why would you come [TS]

01:00:53   here and she her face lit up and she [TS]

01:00:59   said I was I'm from Philly and I was [TS]

01:01:05   part of the New Jersey hair metal scene [TS]

01:01:09   of the late 80s and I was like say what [TS]

01:01:13   and I pulled up a like a church pew and [TS]

01:01:24   you know and she's not rocking any of [TS]

01:01:26   that now she's rocking like she's [TS]

01:01:28   rocking yeah hella fide rich mom thing [TS]

01:01:35   and she but all of a sudden her face is [TS]

01:01:36   transformed and she was like you know [TS]

01:01:39   like I was a high school dropout from my [TS]

01:01:42   inner-city Philly neighborhood and we [TS]

01:01:44   would go over to to Trenton and then [TS]

01:01:48   eventually like I hooked up with the [TS]

01:01:50   guys and warrant or whatever I think [TS]

01:01:53   like she listed all these bands and I [TS]

01:01:56   recognized them all but it was my occur [TS]

01:01:58   to you that you that these bands sold [TS]

01:02:01   millions of albums and probably there [TS]

01:02:03   were hundreds of people doing what she [TS]

01:02:04   did oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah and but all [TS]

01:02:08   of a sudden I'm looking at her and I'm [TS]

01:02:09   just like it's one of those things where [TS]

01:02:11   you look at it you look at kind of a [TS]

01:02:13   a holographic overlay of some historic [TS]

01:02:18   you look at the thing and then you look [TS]

01:02:20   at the holographic overlay of it you're [TS]

01:02:21   like holy shit that's what before they [TS]

01:02:23   tore all the buildings down and I see [TS]

01:02:25   her with hair this poodle hair that's [TS]

01:02:27   like foot and a half high and spandex [TS]

01:02:30   and like hanging out with these these [TS]

01:02:34   guys with the pointy guitars and I was [TS]

01:02:37   like Jesus Christ I need to know all [TS]

01:02:40   about this yes and she said I you know I [TS]

01:02:43   was part of that scene and we were [TS]

01:02:44   hardcore she's rocking cigarette warrant [TS]

01:02:48   that's a name I haven't heard yet right [TS]

01:02:51   and all of a sudden heard like the her [TS]

01:02:52   heels get spiky ear and she and she's [TS]

01:02:57   smoking more and we're talking about the [TS]

01:03:01   time you know that we're we're talking [TS]

01:03:05   about like Bon Jovi era but it's just [TS]

01:03:09   lightly post Bon Jovi's big fame when [TS]

01:03:11   everybody in New Jersey was a was a [TS]

01:03:13   poodle poodle metal guy mm-hmm [TS]

01:03:15   and she says we lived we lived this [TS]

01:03:19   incredible life it was a fantastic [TS]

01:03:22   moment in in history from 85 to 90 and I [TS]

01:03:28   was tending bar and I you know I didn't [TS]

01:03:32   even I hadn't even graduated from high [TS]

01:03:33   school and we were playing metal and we [TS]

01:03:35   were partying and then grunge I was it's [TS]

01:03:42   like wait wait wait this is where my [TS]

01:03:44   story picks up ye let me make this [TS]

01:03:49   connection let me feel this let me feel [TS]

01:03:51   this moment let me feel your anger and [TS]

01:03:54   frustration because I've only read about [TS]

01:03:56   this in magazines you were there and had [TS]

01:04:00   this was not LA Sunset Strip this was [TS]

01:04:03   the other one [TS]

01:04:04   the The Stone Pony in fucking like so [TS]

01:04:11   like sewer killed New Jersey right and [TS]

01:04:16   she said I realized that my life was a [TS]

01:04:21   head was like a dead end and I went on a [TS]

01:04:25   road trip to Princeton [TS]

01:04:27   and you know met somebody in a record [TS]

01:04:30   store and I was like how do you how do [TS]

01:04:32   you guys how do what does one have to do [TS]

01:04:34   in life to live in a place with trees [TS]

01:04:37   and the person at Princeton was like [TS]

01:04:40   well you go to college and then you can [TS]

01:04:45   live where there are trees and she was [TS]

01:04:48   like I had never seen a tree let alone a [TS]

01:04:52   bunch of trees all together where it [TS]

01:04:56   blocked the Sun and was shady and cool [TS]

01:04:58   and she said she had this incredible [TS]

01:05:00   moment where she where she said I'm [TS]

01:05:03   gonna go to college [TS]

01:05:05   and she did and she moved to Washington [TS]

01:05:09   with her already feeling like she was [TS]

01:05:11   too grown-up for for rock and roll Wow [TS]

01:05:15   and like went to university became a [TS]

01:05:19   computer person worked in computers [TS]

01:05:23   retired like met her husband who had you [TS]

01:05:27   know had gone to Cambridge or whatever [TS]

01:05:31   and had 25 degrees in computer science [TS]

01:05:33   and now they live in this beautiful home [TS]

01:05:35   and her story was one of these stories [TS]

01:05:38   that was just gonna walk past me on 15th [TS]

01:05:40   Avenue I was gonna be up there looking [TS]

01:05:43   for looking for a shade-grown coffee [TS]

01:05:45   beverage that had been cold brewed [TS]

01:05:48   somewhere and she was gonna be walking [TS]

01:05:50   by with some bag of organic things on [TS]

01:05:55   her way somewhere else and we would just [TS]

01:05:57   be two ships passing in the night and I [TS]

01:05:59   would see her and just be like oh what's [TS]

01:06:00   up you know rich mom from the [TS]

01:06:01   neighborhood and she would say like she [TS]

01:06:04   would pass me and not even notice me [TS]

01:06:06   because I just because I look like [TS]

01:06:08   somebody that's delivering things and [TS]

01:06:10   yet here it was like history in the [TS]

01:06:13   making so I went over to her house and [TS]

01:06:16   she pulled a photo album you're kidding [TS]

01:06:19   dad no no no I rolled over and peered at [TS]

01:06:25   the window it's me hi remember me from [TS]

01:06:29   girls choir you've got really great [TS]

01:06:35   furniture I like your hair like that no [TS]

01:06:37   she was like come over and see my shit [TS]

01:06:39   and so she pulls out this [TS]

01:06:41   and it's like she's laying across the [TS]

01:06:44   hood of a Camaro the whole time there [TS]

01:06:46   are and warranty COO Carrillo or whoever [TS]

01:06:49   standing there twirling drumsticks and [TS]

01:06:52   it's just like what am I looking at this [TS]

01:06:57   is something that I never never thought [TS]

01:06:59   that I would I never thought that I [TS]

01:07:01   would be like so close to in some ways [TS]

01:07:04   what I regard as the enemy and so she's [TS]

01:07:07   got a daughter [TS]

01:07:08   approximately your daughter's age yeah [TS]

01:07:11   so interesting yeah yeah and yeah right [TS]

01:07:16   and she's she is like that this is all [TS]

01:07:19   these these photo albums are like in the [TS]

01:07:21   Attic [TS]

01:07:22   this is her past that that she never [TS]

01:07:25   talks about never gets to talk about [TS]

01:07:28   both because I don't think anybody in [TS]

01:07:30   her circles are interested and it's just [TS]

01:07:34   not relevant it's not relevant to what [TS]

01:07:36   she's doing now but I you know as soon [TS]

01:07:38   as I dragged that church pew over and [TS]

01:07:42   was like I sat down and I was like you [TS]

01:07:44   tell me right now everything and she was [TS]

01:07:47   like wow really and the more she talked [TS]

01:07:50   the more I was like yes more more MORE [TS]

01:07:52   tell me everything tell me about your [TS]

01:07:53   culture tell me about your way and you [TS]

01:07:56   know the streets of Philadelphia like [TS]

01:07:58   this is all just stuff that exists in in [TS]

01:08:01   a mythological context to me well it's [TS]

01:08:03   like it's almost like it's something [TS]

01:08:04   like Quadrophenia or I'm thinking of [TS]

01:08:07   like that Twisted Sister documentary [TS]

01:08:08   which is really surprisingly good and [TS]

01:08:10   like you realize there's this entire [TS]

01:08:11   like you know just cuz you haven't [TS]

01:08:13   thought about her it's not your thing [TS]

01:08:14   like one may not realize there was an [TS]

01:08:17   incredibly rich and nuanced and like [TS]

01:08:20   potentially very subtle subculture going [TS]

01:08:23   around about this thing yeah well heavy [TS]

01:08:26   metal parking lot is what it is right [TS]

01:08:28   she was heavy metal parking lot and we [TS]

01:08:32   watched that film oh my god as though it [TS]

01:08:35   was a as though it was a message beamed [TS]

01:08:37   from outer space that's what it felt [TS]

01:08:39   like yeah yeah this is real that was it [TS]

01:08:42   wasn't a rat concert it's a rat concert [TS]

01:08:43   right no a goose priest [TS]

01:08:45   oh of course Judas Priest what I think [TS]

01:08:47   it was rad was right opening for them [TS]

01:08:49   maybe maybe you know the first rock [TS]

01:08:52   concert I ever saw [TS]

01:08:54   was do with Dakin Wow [TS]

01:08:58   and and I always put Dakin and wrap I [TS]

01:09:04   feel like they were contemporaries and I [TS]

01:09:06   feel like they were very much more New [TS]

01:09:09   Jersey than they were LA although I may [TS]

01:09:14   be wrong Browns was rockin I saw rat [TS]

01:09:16   open for Billy Squier 1984 and that was [TS]

01:09:21   with Billy Squier was that some emotions [TS]

01:09:23   in motion era yeah that was pre-ripped [TS]

01:09:26   no no I think it was that was I think he [TS]

01:09:29   was rocking me tonight probably my [TS]

01:09:30   girlfriend that was her her jam she [TS]

01:09:33   really she was let me put it let me put [TS]

01:09:36   it frankly she was very sexually [TS]

01:09:37   attracted to play square and she liked [TS]

01:09:40   she liked me dancing around in that [TS]

01:09:41   video she liked it a lot I'm going here [TS]

01:09:46   I'm going here to rat and I see that [TS]

01:09:49   looking at rats looking just at the [TS]

01:09:52   search records it appears that I have [TS]

01:09:54   already clicked on rats Wikipedia entry [TS]

01:09:57   recently enough that it's a different [TS]

01:09:59   color George Lynx was George Lynch in [TS]

01:10:04   doctor I know he's in Dakin was he in [TS]

01:10:06   rat at one point well so here are the [TS]

01:10:10   members of rat George and this is this [TS]

01:10:12   is what makes me feel like it's a Jersey [TS]

01:10:14   band [TS]

01:10:15   hmm Carlos Cavazos warranty party me [TS]

01:10:18   that's the one right warranty one I mean [TS]

01:10:23   they all they're all part of we passed [TS]

01:10:25   it does say they're from Los Angeles [TS]

01:10:28   that's weird now that's got to be that's [TS]

01:10:30   got to be a typo they should be from New [TS]

01:10:32   Jersey well maybe when maybe they moved [TS]

01:10:36   maybe they moved the origins of rat go [TS]

01:10:38   back as far as 1973 in Hollywood so [TS]

01:10:42   apparently they didn't move I think you [TS]

01:10:48   where's the bandanna for professional [TS]

01:10:49   reasons is that is it well isn't that [TS]

01:10:52   true also of the guy from who's the guy [TS]

01:10:56   that has a second career as a reality [TS]

01:10:58   star with the long blonde hair and [TS]

01:11:00   always wears a bond bandanna [TS]

01:11:03   oh right there Bret Michaels a Bret Bret [TS]

01:11:05   Michaels he's poison right yeah what's [TS]

01:11:10   going on under that man Dawkins from LA [TS]

01:11:14   to hmm [TS]

01:11:15   Rodgers rocking rocking with Dakin mmm [TS]

01:11:19   the guy the guy from Dakin [TS]

01:11:22   george'll in Georgia and she had that he [TS]

01:11:24   had the tips remember yeah and that was [TS]

01:11:26   one of those like lower tier B grade [TS]

01:11:30   metal guitar players that I still liked [TS]

01:11:32   oh he was great Paris is burning [TS]

01:11:34   breaking the chains that stuff was great [TS]

01:11:36   when I went to see them he had a sticker [TS]

01:11:40   on his guitar that said balls [TS]

01:11:47   [Music] [TS]

01:11:51   [Laughter] [TS]