H.I. #85: Another Person I've Never Heard Of
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all right here we go It's Showtime in
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kind of the feedback section I think two
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things have been burning a hole in my
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inbox and crashing the service at Reddit
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oh yeah and the first of those would be
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the continuing discussion about our use
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of the term ambulance drivers for people
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who drive ambulances whether they're
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paramedics whether they're ambulance
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drivers there are two things I've now
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learned and it's not really going to
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placate anyone the first is I now have a
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better understanding as to why
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paramedics were so upset by me
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describing someone who drives an
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ambulance as an ambulance driver and
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that is I think people in like the
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medical community like certain doctors
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or surgeons or people who think they're
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too cool for school use the term
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ambulance drivers as an insult for
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paramedics hmm it's like a way of
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belittling them it's like a nickname
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they give them to upset them so it's
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like a diddly brought wind up okay
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so saying look you he come the ambulance
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drivers is what you say when that the
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paramedics walk in the room so I can see
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why that would be upsetting on the other
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hand we've had a lot of feedback from
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people all around the world talking
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about various jurisdictions in which
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there are bespoke ambulance drivers
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there is a differentiation between
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people who drive ambulances and people
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who have the qualifications to actually
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tend to people in times of medical need
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so there are actually legitimate
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ambulance drivers who are not paramedics
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so that is a thing that exists cuz we
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were speculating about that last time
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like is that a thing very much so in
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certain countries and in certain places
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in other places it's not so much but
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that definitely is a thing that is
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interesting is very interesting I didn't
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come across that because I felt like at
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least from the feedback that I saw on
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the reddit my takeaway from reading a
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bunch of that stuff was wow there's a
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lot of different degrees of what this
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means people were describing in wherever
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they worked how in terms of paramedics
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it's like there's five different levels
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of what the person is and what they're
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qualified for and so once again like
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with everything in the world I felt like
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our discussion on ambulance drivers
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stroke paramedics opens up a door to
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another infinite world
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of complexity and differentiation that
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people are involved in so I felt frankly
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overwhelmed with all of the detail and
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differentiation of what is a paramedic
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where in the world what exactly does
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their job entail and how do you become
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one of these people well if you found
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that overwhelming how did you feel about
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the feedback to the 51 star American
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flag suggestions well I mean first we
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must say that I don't know who did it
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but at one point your design suggestion
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for the 51 star flag was living on the
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Wikipedia page for future suggested
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versions of how the 51 star flag might
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look and I feel like that was barely
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Wikipedia vandalization at all I feel
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like that's a legitimate proposal for
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what could be a future 51 star flag
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design so I was very happy to see that
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make its way into the Wikipedia article
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yeah I mean that list was all about
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suggestions like from various people
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who'd suggested them my favorite thing
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there was a little caption that sort of
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described how design proposed by Brady
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Haran and executed by CGP grey like that
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sort of play to that whole image that
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I'd tried to create of me as like you
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know the grand visionary at the top and
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you is like the drone that just like
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makes the stuff I was basically the
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seamstress in this situation right
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that's that's what was occurring there
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ya know if that caption was perfect
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great work for whoever did that so I
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really enjoyed that but of course as
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soon as you start showing something like
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that to the internet everybody wanted to
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jump in with their own version of the 51
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star flag so we said we got a whole
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bunch of interesting ones that were sent
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along I tried to create a reddit thread
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to capture them all together because I
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always just loved seeing what people
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make with this kind of stuff so I'll put
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it in the show notes there's a link to a
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reddit discussion which has just a ton
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of the designs all together in one place
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let me send a few of them along to you
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right now Brady and see what you think
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these ones that have your endorsement or
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your condemnation I'm just passing along
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a few that caught my eye
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no comment of endorsements or anything
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there say the first one Gray has sent to
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me in the star section
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has 51 stars arranged into the shape of
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a star so it's like a star of stars and
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it's a little bit on the silly side oh
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you think that's silly oh you have more
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stuff to cover okay but I thought it's
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interesting to see that the 51 stars can
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be arranged in a sense symmetrical
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because it's five ways is there a word
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for five way symmetry I feel like I
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should know this fivefold symmetry that
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fivefold symmetry yeah I think you're
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right there I think you're right so that
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can be done it's not too bad there are a
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few other versions of people trying to
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arrange the stars in a somewhat orderly
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pattern or at least pleasing so this one
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you've sent in the star section has the
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51 stars and they kind of arranged in
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diagonal rows rather than the horizontal
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rows that we're familiar with on the
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current American flag and yeah it just
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doesn't quite look right does it no it
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doesn't quite look right those are two
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sort of somewhat serious designs yeah
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there's one that's a little bit jokey
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but I actually kind of like it so I'll
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send this next one along to you okay so
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in this one what they've done is they've
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taken sort of the top corner where the
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stars live and instead they've made it
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the whole left-hand side of the flag
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like a vertical bar going down the whole
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height of the flag and they've arranged
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the stars in there the left-hand sixth
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of the flag is a pile of stars and then
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we have stripes all emanating from that
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and do you know what it looks wrong
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obviously because I'm so used to the US
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flag but if that had been the u.s. flow
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from day one I could easily look at that
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and think oh yeah that's just how their
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flag works I can see how that kind of
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works yeah I like this one doing a
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vertical banner on the left-hand side it
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gives you enough space to arrange the 51
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in a somewhat pleasing way I think it
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looks good I think it looks good
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because I feel like the 51 stars there's
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just no good way to do it in the
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existing format and so it's like maybe
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this is time for America to think
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outside the box if the flag is going to
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change so we have a couple of other
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thinking outside the box Options here
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Brady okay what do we go he comes
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another one why do 51 stars when instead
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you could do 51 stripes
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right say having 51 straps on a flag
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results in the straps being so close
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together that it looks almost just like
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a big rectangle of pinkness yep 51 yeah
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horizontal stripes with no stars just
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stripes yeah no stars at all hmm this
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next one very different thought on how
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to arrange the 51 stars which I quite
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like say here we've got the blue section
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at the top and the 51 stars have been
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arranged to write out the number 51
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mm-hmm yeah I quite like that that's a
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good contender yeah also okay our star
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is necessary I think we have some other
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options okay someone has put the lettuce
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Li this is the Roman numeral version of
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51 stars right which i think is great of
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course we can also just talk about the
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way America prefers to view herself says
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someone has just put the number one
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hashtag in the blue area instead of
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stars at all yeah
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we're number one that's America it's we
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are we now that's let's just say with
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romera we're number one my great
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disappointment is now that you have
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declared yourself the official US flag
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seamstress of hello internet people
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shouldn't even need to design flags they
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should just write written descriptions
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to you and then you knock it up for them
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and you know quick 5-10 minutes I wish
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them the best of luck with getting
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results for that people know what's
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gonna happen they know the results I
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felt like you were at my beck and call
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in the last episode when I was having
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you do I was just like throwing ideas
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out there and you were tapping away
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churning them out you know Brady I like
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to make your dreams a reality
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so I was very happy to do that
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immediately thank you you suggest I make
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I say jump graces hi that's exactly
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right that's that's how this
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relationship works all right thank you
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bedding flag designers at that you
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certainly took over our subreddit every
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time I went to the hello Internet
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subreddit it was just like Star Spangled
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Banner everywhere yeah there are
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absolutely everywhere if you go to the
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reddit link in the show notes there are
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a whole lot more than just the ones that
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I posted to Brady while we were
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discussing it I think there's something
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like 80 different takes on the flag and
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some of them are hilarious so I highly
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recommend you go check that out and see
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alternate flag designs
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the Tim's and gray will compile a list
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of his 51 favorites I will not know that
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what that happened so Brady I am
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recently back from America
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you were there forever I thought you
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were never coming home I wasn't sure if
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I was ever coming home
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it wasn't intended to be that long I
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wonder if your your accents like
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American dup a bit more whenever I go to
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Australia people say I sound more
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Australian when I come home for the
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first few weeks do people say you sound
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more American when you come back you
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couldn't say I'm more American actually
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now I think about it do you think I
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sound super American that is not
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possible for me to sound more American
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well I don't think you sound like tinged
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by Britishness you do sound a bit tinged
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by Britishness though Brady yeah but
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when I go to Australia I recharge my
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Aussie Nostromo is that how it works
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you're running low on Oz eNOS and need
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to charge back up every once in a while
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it's not intentional it just happens
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hang out with all my Aussie friends and
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I get a bit more ocka ocka ocka is like
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a it's an Australian thing saying you
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sound Orko means you sound really Ozzy
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oh it's probably incredibly racist and
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I've just insulted a whole bunch of
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people knowing the way the internet
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works now but I'd better look it up if
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you sound augur sounds Australian I
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don't see what the problem would be
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because you're Australian and then you
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could say that okay it means a rough
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uncultivated Australian man so a bit
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more uncultivated is it's you know it's
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a bit more rough around the edges slang
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for a stereotypical Australian someone
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with a strong accent who enjoys beer
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barbecues Australian football v8 cars
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behave cards that's a long story long
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story of you and asking was trailing
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about that kind of car yeah okay don't
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stop me on Holden versus forward I'm a
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hardened man for those who wandering
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there oh okay there you go yes so I
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don't think I'm sounding more American
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having come back from America I don't
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think the night of the case I'm sounding
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just the regular way yeah but while I
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was in America hmm I saw a thing Brady
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that I've been dreading for a while
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because a little while ago there was a
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article talking about how uber is going
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to introduce the much requested much
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requested feature of tipping the drivers
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in their app
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saw this public relations thing that
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uber is finally allowing riders to do
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what they have long desired which is tip
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their drivers I have some suspicions
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about how much riders have actually
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wanted that versus how much the drivers
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want that but anyway I saw this thing I
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had hoped in my heart of hearts that
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maybe it wouldn't come to pass but sure
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enough while I was in New York for the
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first time I saw it I took an uber thing
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popped up on my screen and it said I had
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a tip for your driver with three buttons
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on the bottom and an option to add an
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even larger custom amount if you so want
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to and honestly I feel like my heart
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sank very deeply that day so great when
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I get an uber and I get out of the car I
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don't even look at my phone usually for
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a cup or two later and then I see like
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you know the opportunity to do the star
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rating and everything is that when it
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happens is that next time you look at
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your phone so the driver could be long
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when you make this decision it has for
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me shown up on the page where you would
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normally give the driver the star rating
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I'll send you a screenshots I'm the
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first driver that I had who's asking for
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the tip okay yeah but so when it bothers
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you to give them the star rating you now
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have this additional mental burden on
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that page to decide if you want to give
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them additional money on top of the
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money that you have given them for the
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commercial transaction the clear
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commercial transaction that has happened
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but you don't have to give a tip you do
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not have to give a tip it's not required
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I'm not overly worried about this as
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long as it's not like a face-to-face
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awkward situation I'm kind of like I've
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always said I'm not opposed to tipping
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it's just the awkwardness of the moment
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and not having the money or how to give
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it to them and that sort of thing mm-hmm
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I mean if I was honest about that and I
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think I was then I don't mind giving the
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tip after the fact depending on the
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level of service and how I feel about
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how it went as long as I can do it like
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in the comfort of my sofa two or three
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hours later I'm alright with that what
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are the scenarios under which you would
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tip an uber driver I can imagine if they
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say we would have a conversation and
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they gave me
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useful information you know oh hey I'm
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new to town where's a good place to eat
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and they suggested a really good
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restaurant or they gave me some local
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advice or I really enjoyed the
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conversation maybe if the car was
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exceptionally clean or maybe if they had
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a couple of little goodies in there like
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a lovely or something I could have I can
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imagine scenarios that's really cute if
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there's a lolly in the back for Brady
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you might just give you a tip yeah I've
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had Reba rides where it was something
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really memorable I once had an uber
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driver whose name he was from Ethiopia
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and his name was millionaire that was
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actually his first name and I said how
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can I take a picture of you and like you
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know social media playing around with it
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and he was a really good sport and let
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me do it so he's a guy I would happily
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have tipped you know five bucks cause he
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he was a good sport and played around so
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I can see these things happening that's
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very interesting well although I can see
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immediately from your answer that of
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course you have more scenarios under
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which you might tip the driver because
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you're interacting with the driver
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whereas I have been thinking this entire
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time like I can't even imagine why I
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would give an uber driver a tip because
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my ideal situation is I just we just get
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in the car and I never really speak to
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the driver and then I just get out yeah
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I guess with me there is far less room
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for the ability to give a tip in the
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first place well then don't give a tip
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but do they know can they penalize you
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can they look later on and see who
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tipped and then who didn't and affect
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your star rankings with that information
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I was always under the impression it
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would be pulled at the end of the day
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and they wouldn't know who didn't didn't
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tip yeah that's my understanding is that
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the drivers do not know this is the best
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way to handle it like if they're going
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to do it doing it this way like the
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drivers don't know you can just do it
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later this sort of fine for me there's
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something about it being here that I
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feel like it is sullied uber it has
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taken this like clear commercial
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transaction in my mind and has now moved
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it into the world of somewhat ambiguous
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interactions and transactions is the
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best version of this that it could
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possibly be but I'm still sad to see
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that it's there
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I'm not surprised it happened why do you
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say that well I don't know how much you
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follow the news no I do know how much
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Father's Day Parade is you don't want to
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know how much I follow the news but like
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there's been a lot of in the UK in
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particular but
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elsewhere there's been a lot of
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confrontation lately as sort of drivers
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start to not unionize but get to a point
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where they're starting to expect more
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rights and they want to be treated as
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employees and have that rights to
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holidays and things like that which
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again sort of goes against how uber has
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always pitched itself but this is the
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whole other debate that we shouldn't
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wade into and while that's been going on
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at the same time uber itself is bit of a
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wounded ball at the moment because of
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all the problems that its former boss
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had been getting himself into and the
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culture of the company so we've got a
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situation where the drivers are sort of
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on the ascendancy and starting to make
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noise and the company at the top is kind
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of in a perilous condition and weakened
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so if there was ever a time where the
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drivers we're gonna get their way and
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start clawing back things they want now
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is the time I think the question of
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whether or not bird drivers are
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employees like that feels like a perfect
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thing that we could just argue about for
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a little while it seems to me like well
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they're clearly not but that of course
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gets us straight to the whole question
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of like the app economy which is a very
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big different sort of thing
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at least that's interesting that that's
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why you feel like it's obvious that this
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is going to happen because ubers in
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trouble the drivers are collectivizing
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it sounds like in some sense sober wants
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to make them happy I guess I mean we've
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got a culture where some people are
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thinking drivers aren't being treated
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well the company is getting this
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increasing reputation for being mean
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like this is obviously a move that would
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placate that somewhat so very
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unsurprising so after I saw that driver
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I was like ah here we are like now that
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now this thing has arrived my immediate
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next ride in New York in uber when the
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screen came up to do the five star
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rating it said that this driver does not
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currently accept tips
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and you know what I thought Brady I want
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to give that man a tip I've never had
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that feeling ever like boy I really want
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►
to give someone a tip but when I saw
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this one guy who didn't accept tips I
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thought you were the only person maybe
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in the entire history of the service
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industry that I have felt like please I
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would love to give you a tip for your
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refusal to accept tips but of course he
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had long driven away that wasn't a
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I couldn't hand him cash in the car
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because I didn't do the star rating
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until later I was hoping you're gonna
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you flicked him a cheeky Benjie flicked
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him a cheeky Benji that's what I would
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do baby but yes that's like I wish there
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was some way that I could reward better
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the drivers who don't accept the tips
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►
and just tell who burr
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please don't ever show me that tip
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screen because there's not a situation
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that I'm ever gonna actually want to
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press those buttons it just makes me
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feel a little guilty now every time that
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the star rating comes up and I don't
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actually press the tip button fair
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that's what tips are social gilts will
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chop that up as a loss to gray in his
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ongoing battle to have everything in the
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world shaped to his liking it totally is
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Brady like that's you know you're saying
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that it's like a joke but I do feel like
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this is a battle that I live every day
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I've been doing a bit of traveling
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lately myself mm-hmm one of the places I
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went was the US as well I saw you at
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VidCon and lots of other people and well
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it was all good for us to catch up
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mm-hmm but one of the other things I did
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while I was there in Anaheim was I went
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to Disneyland for the first time in a
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long time I went with our very good
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friend Destin who had a great time
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together but the thing I were used for
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the first time was this so called
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Fast Pass which is the system at
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Disneyland that allows you to supposedly
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get on rides more easily more quickly
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and not spend all your day what I would
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call queueing what Americans might call
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standing in line yeah so you sent me a
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photo of you and Destin in Disney as I
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was making my way towards Anaheim and my
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first thought of course was oh my god
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you're a Disney in the height of the
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summer I can't imagine ever doing
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something like that and I sent you a
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message immediately like I hope to god
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you bought the Fast Pass or that
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whatever the heck it's called yeah there
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are additional ticketing system yeah
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because in my mind this is a thing which
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is almost like it feels anti fairness
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but my understanding of this is that
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it's an extra ticket that allows you to
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go on like an executive line that's just
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for the people who bought the Fast Pass
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and so then you can then get to the
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front of the line faster is that correct
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well you like me have that completely
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wrong it is nothing like that although I
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thought the same I thought I could use
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financial might to buy myself a golden
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ticket that would allow me to walk past
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everyone and get on the rides more
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quickly and I was willing to do that I
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was willing to sacrifice
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my hard-earned money to buy back time of
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course I was hopeful I could do that
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that's how life works isn't it we spend
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most of our life earning money so we can
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buy time correct this is not how it
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it couldn't be further from it okay I
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don't know how to explain I'm going to
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attempt to explain it I haven't really
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thought about this that the logical way
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to explain to you how it works but I
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don't know whether I should just tell
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you what it looks like on the surface or
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what I later learned how it actually is
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working probably the best thing to do is
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tell you how it actually is working I'm
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wondering because I haven't been to
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Disney in a long time I've always
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thought like if I'm going to Disney I'm
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going in the offseason and I'm gonna buy
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there is no fast pass to buy alright so
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I have this all wrong I don't even
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understand what's occurring
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okay got it you have this all wrong and
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so did I and like this tonight when we
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were buying our tickets we're like how
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do we buy a first pass mister sounded
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like idiots I now realize we did sound
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like idiots and like the people were
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saying wait till you get inside oh yeah
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like you already know there's something
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ominously wrong like they're just wait
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till you get inside so wait till you get
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inside you idiots so what happens is you
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get a ticket to go into Disneyland it is
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important you keep that ticket because
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that ticket becomes very important and
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what happens is at any given ride there
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are two queues there were two lines
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there is what I will call the slow line
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which is for people without a fast bus
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okay there's the first pass line right
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now let's pretend it's the middle of the
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day now and there are lots of people in
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the park and there are lots of lines
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everywhere what you can do is you can
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join the slow line and you'll have a
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long wait let's say an hour and a half
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to get on the ride or what you can do is
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you can scan your ticket to get a fast
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pass for that particular ride and the
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first pass can be used later on in the
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day at a specified time so I would say
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you can come back at between 3 and 4
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o'clock this afternoon and join the fast
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that's how it works and during that time
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you can then move around the park and
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join other slow lines but you can only
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have one fast pass at a time you have to
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be really strategic and it's linked to
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your ticket so you can't like go around
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all the rides and get a fast pass for
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every single ride and have your day
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planned out for the whole day that was
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my immediate thought is you just run in
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and grab all the fast passes no no no
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you've got to be really strategic and
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what I'm not talking about here is all
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the ways you can obviously check the
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system and I'm sure people in reddit an
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email will say Oh Brady you should have
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done this and you should have done that
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and this is how you change did you not
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go to Disneyland hacking com to figure
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out your Fastpass strategy so I'm
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talking about if you follow the rules
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now this becomes really difficult later
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in the day Destin and I learned because
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there are couple arise we wanted to go
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on and they were having like you know up
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to two hours in the slow line but the
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fast pass line was like three or four
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hours in the future and you're having to
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like do all this mental mathematics
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you're thinking do I use my fasteners
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for this ride and join the slow line for
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that one which says it will be two and a
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half hours adieu I joined the slow line
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for that one and get the fast pass for
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that one but I can't use my fast pass
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for that one for two hours after that
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and that means I'm not going to be able
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to get another and like it becomes
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really really difficult and once you've
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got a first pass you're locked in you
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can't like cancel it and say oh I made
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them oh really yeah it's really
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difficult and there's no like gold and
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tickets or anything it's just like you
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know it's always good to have a fast
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pass because as Destin was always saying
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it's good for us to have a fast pass
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doing the work for us while we're
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standing in slow lines I totally get
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that yeah it feels like you have a
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virtual robot standing in line for you
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yeah and the way I believe it works
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underneath the hood is Disney allocates
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say a thousand fast passes every hour
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for every ride so as people are chalking
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up all these fast passes say you want to
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go on the roller coaster right as people
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were talking at the first passes they're
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all disappearing so all the fast passes
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between one and two are gone all the
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fast passes between two and three ago
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and all the fast passes between three
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and four are gone
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so very quickly that time that you can
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use your first pass on the
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roller-coaster is blowing right ahead
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like into the evening right if you don't
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get your first pass early you know you
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could have four or five hours into it
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you can use this fast pass and for that
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four or five hours you're going to be
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stuck in slow lines all that time you
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can only stand in slow lines so it
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becomes a real difficult decision I'm
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sure there are apps on websites that
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help you make such decisions we were
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using the Disney app all the time but
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I'm immediately feeling like you need
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some kind of app to help you plan this
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out okay I have a question I have a
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question Brady hmm do you know ahead of
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time when the Fastpass ticket is going
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to be good for or is it a surprise no
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you know ahead of time there's like
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screens and things that's all advertised
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so so it's like at the moment if you
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scan yourself for a first pass your
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first pass will be valid between three
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and four you know that beforehand got it
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got it all right now question about the
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fast pass line mm-hmm how does it work
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at the actual front of the line are they
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just pulling everybody straight off of
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the fast pass line on to the ride or are
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they mixing them in or like how does
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that work I'm not exactly sure but there
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seems to be like a blending okay of the
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lines that is heavily favored towards
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the fast passes it's not like every fast
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pass person gets on and then the slow
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people get on because that wouldn't work
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there's like a blending heavily-favored
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towards the fast passes I don't know the
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exact numbers but it felt like a fast
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pass line is about twice as fast as a
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slow line huh I don't know how
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beneficial this actually is for anybody
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who's in the park how did you feel about
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it going through the day with the Fast
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Pass this is what happened we went in
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early at the start we were getting loads
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of rides in at fast passes didn't even
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matter like we were like oh let's go on
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the Star Wars ride and it was like 9:00
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in the morning and the Fastpass said
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thing if you get a fast pass now it will
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be valid between 9:00 and 10:00 so we
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would like we didn't even need to get a
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fast bus you just walk straight in so
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for the first few hours the fast passes
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if you got a fast pass it would be valid
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in half an hour's time maybe it likely
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to be 9:30 or if you get a fast pass you
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can use it at 10:00 so we'd be like oh
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great let's grab a fast pass quickly go
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and do that ride and then come back at
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10 and do this ride so at first it
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seemed brilliant but then as more and
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into the park oh the first pass has
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started evaporating and that our slots
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were moving further and further into the
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day it got to a point later in the day
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where they were these two rides we
00:29:01
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wanted to go on and one of them had a
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slow line that was like two to two and a
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half hours and the other one if we got a
00:29:10
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fast pass we'd be able to use that fast
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pass in about four hours time so we were
00:29:14
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like oh God so we got the fast pass and
00:29:17
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then we're like okay well we can't go on
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that ride for four hours now we'll burn
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through two and a half hours in a slow
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line to get on that ride so as the day
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goes on it becomes much less useful whoo
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the thing I wondered for people who are
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wandering or why don't you just go and
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get lots of fast passes that a you can
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only get one at a time because it's
00:29:36
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linked to your ticket and if someone
00:29:38
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else gets one for you like you could say
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to someone are can you just scan your
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ticket and get me a fast pass for the
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roller coaster when you use your first
00:29:45
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pass it's wedded to your ticket so they
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do make sure I haven't just like got a
00:29:49
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fistful of fast passes that you've got
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off other people supposedly I don't know
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how well that's police but that is how
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it's supposed to work so they are trying
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to stop people scamming system okay you
00:29:59
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know what I'm just thinking though it's
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like okay wait a second you can't buy a
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fast pass but could you when you're
00:30:04
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entering the park could you tell the
00:30:06
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attendants that you're buying the
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tickets from like I would like to buy
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ten tickets please yeah but you know
00:30:11
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what they marry your tickets to your IDs
00:30:12
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and all sorts they're always like like
00:30:16
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wait I think I've found a loophole here
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nope the thing I wondered was if someone
00:30:21
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is like a guest of Disneyland and Disney
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I want them to you know have the
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corporate VIP experience what do those
00:30:26
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people get there must be some golden
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ticket and although I figure out unless
00:30:30
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there are secret entrances I was unaware
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of I think the golden ticket is some
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kind of pass that just gets you into any
00:30:37
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Fast Pass line at any time yeah I'm
00:30:39
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gonna bet that that's the case so you're
00:30:40
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still gonna be waiting half an hour to
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an hour but that must be the golden
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ticket I know for a fact that Disney has
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like a VIP system that people can try to
00:30:49
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approach their way through and that they
00:30:51
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have some special thing and I would
00:30:53
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assume given your description of this
00:30:55
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system that yeah it's like a Fast Pass
00:30:56
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that's available at all times that would
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be my yeah yeah and there's like lots of
00:31:00
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places have this at the airlines have
00:31:02
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special tickets they give out that will
00:31:06
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essentially be a ticket that will tell
00:31:07
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like the gate agent this person has to
00:31:09
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get on a plane and if you need to boot
00:31:10
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somebody off like you're gonna boot them
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off that's given out to super VIPs so I
00:31:15
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don't know like I can't articulate this
00:31:17
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but something about this fast pass
00:31:18
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system feels like a weird way in which
00:31:21
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people feel like they're winning
00:31:22
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something but I'm not actually sure they
00:31:24
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are not I agree with you like I said I
00:31:27
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think it's purely herd management it's
00:31:29
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just moving the cows around in a way
00:31:31
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that's not going to cause problems for
00:31:32
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Disneyland yeah that that's what's
00:31:34
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happening or maybe if I'm slightly more
00:31:37
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cynical about it it's constantly trying
00:31:40
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to give the guests more reasons to be
00:31:43
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hanging out at like the restaurants or
00:31:45
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places that you could pay and Disney
00:31:48
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like to make that an easier thing for
00:31:49
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people to do hmm
00:31:51
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so that they can feel like they're not
00:31:52
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wasting their time as much like they
00:31:54
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have the virtual robot waiting online
00:31:56
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for them hmm it's funny because it's
00:31:58
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like this conversation started out with
00:32:01
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my thought that there was something
00:32:02
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called a Fastpass that you could buy and
00:32:04
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gee I don't know how I feel about that
00:32:06
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but I feel like this system is somehow
00:32:09
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almost worse than just buying a VIP
00:32:11
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ticket I don't know is something about
00:32:13
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it that just feels like I don't quite
00:32:15
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like either because there's something
00:32:17
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democratic about oh we're all in an
00:32:19
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amusement park together and people just
00:32:21
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wait on lines and it's like an
00:32:23
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artificial environment so I don't know
00:32:26
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it's just it feels really weird and and
00:32:27
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there's something about it that I don't
00:32:30
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know almost adds like a layer of mental
00:32:32
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work on top of what you're doing like
00:32:34
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you have a thing to manage now while
00:32:37
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you're in the park as opposed to a more
00:32:38
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simpler task of you're just waiting on
00:32:41
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line or you're making a decision about
00:32:42
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how you want to spend your time versus
00:32:44
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your money I have to know though Brady
00:32:45
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these numbers that you're throwing out
00:32:47
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about being on line for an hour and a
00:32:48
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half or two hours are those real numbers
00:32:50
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or those exaggerated numbers please tell
00:32:52
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me there was one line for the cars ride
00:32:55
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that it felt like we were in that line
00:32:57
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for two or three hours
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I tell you what it would have driven me
00:33:02
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crazy except I hadn't seen Destin in
00:33:05
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person for about a year we were just
00:33:07
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like catching up so I enjoyed spending
00:33:08
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time with him but if it had been other
00:33:11
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circumstances it would have driven the
00:33:13
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absolutely crazy yeah I can totally
00:33:15
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leave that yes you have a great excuse
00:33:17
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to be able to spend a whole bunch of
00:33:18
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time with someone that you haven't
00:33:19
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actually seen in person for a long time
00:33:20
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so that mean yeah that makes it very
00:33:22
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fundamentally different but standing on
00:33:25
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line for two hours yeah do it's too much
00:33:28
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it's terrible the number of times I
00:33:30
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sounded like a grumpy old man and I said
00:33:32
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they just let too many people in this
00:33:33
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place right they're just greedy they
00:33:35
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would double the number of people in
00:33:37
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that place and they should be you think
00:33:38
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they're greedy yeah I think I'm just
00:33:41
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wondering because there'd be probably a
00:33:44
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pretty easy way to get half as many
00:33:45
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people in the park and that would be to
00:33:47
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double the ticket price hmm would you
00:33:51
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think that they're less greedy if they
00:33:52
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double the ticket price to get half as
00:33:54
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many people in or is that more greedy
00:33:56
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well that would be one way they could do
00:33:58
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it they could do it with price that
00:33:59
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would be a greedy way to do it or they
00:34:02
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could just sell this tickets no no you
00:34:05
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can't just sell us tickets that's
00:34:06
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madness no yet keep it affordable for
00:34:08
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like the common man they're not running
00:34:10
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a charity over there at Disney like that
00:34:12
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Mouse has got to eat Brady I don't think
00:34:14
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you understand well I have to say I'm
00:34:17
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very interested to hear how the Fast
00:34:19
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Pass works I think I feel like this is
00:34:20
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gonna be on my mind for a while you
00:34:23
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should go next time just go like us for
00:34:25
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research I don't know I keep thinking
00:34:26
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like there should be some kind of
00:34:28
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auction system here to work this out oh
00:34:30
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no I really thought that sounded I don't
00:34:33
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even mean in terms of like money I just
00:34:34
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mean like I know you may park credits or
00:34:37
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something everybody has a certain amount
00:34:40
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of park credits that they just get when
00:34:42
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they walk in if there's a ride that you
00:34:44
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►
really wanted to get to the front of
00:34:46
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like you could spend park credits to get
00:34:48
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on an additional line that would let you
00:34:50
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get to the front faster and then you
00:34:51
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could buy more Park credits from vending
00:34:53
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►
machines conveniently located around the
00:34:55
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park no no right now that's the terrible
00:34:57
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idea all of a sudden oh wait a minute no
00:34:59
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we've just made it a free-to-play game
00:35:00
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everything becomes this everything is
00:35:04
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gamified so great another little bit of
00:35:09
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travel I did and I don't want to brag
00:35:12
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are you sure but Mike
00:35:13
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this was a beautiful place I went to
00:35:15
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Santorini the Greek island whoa okay I
00:35:20
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had no idea that you did this seriously
00:35:22
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was one of the most beautiful places
00:35:23
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I've been Santorini it sounds beautiful
00:35:26
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it's a volcano crater that's a huge sort
00:35:30
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of lagoon in the middle opening out to
00:35:32
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the sea and it's got all these beautiful
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little white washed stone villages like
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all around the caldera of the volcano
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almost spilling down the cliffs into the
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sea it was gorgeous Wow
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mmm anyway I'll send you some pictures
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I'm looking at pictures online
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it looks like Mamma Mia that's what it
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looks like yeah I think Mamma Mia was
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filmed in here which is the town I
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stayed in oh okay well there we go so I
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won't bore you with all the things I did
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because it's pretty boring most there ii
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sat around looking at the view I did
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film a bunch of video so maybe we'll use
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that as the YouTube video for this
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particular episode of the podcast sounds
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good are you featured bravely swimming
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in any of these videos no no although I
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did swim out in the caldera but I'll
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come to that in a minute
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because that's part of what I do want to
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talk about there are two little things
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that happened I want to talk about the
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first is something I did that I've
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always been curious about and I'll ask
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if you've ever done it but I'd be
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willing to bet a considerable amount of
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Disney Land credits and that is I did
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that thing where you put your fate in
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like a tank of fish and they nibble your
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fate mm-hmm have you ever done that
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I have not done that now right actually
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I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to
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that I think you think I really I would
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find like oh I would never possibly do I
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would do that I wouldn't actually have a
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problem with that I just happen do you
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have not I've ever been in that
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situation but was it nice Brady the fish
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it was interesting right I supposedly
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they're like nibbling around dead skin
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and stuff and they've got a little bit
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of like anesthetic or something in their
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saliva then causes some sensation your
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face I don't I don't really know why it
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was good and how legit it was but we all
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did it I was there there was my wife and
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another couple and we all stuck effe in
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and the things that were interesting the
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first thing that was interesting was my
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wife was very apprehensive about and
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very stressed because
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is not a fan of like fish and sea
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creatures but yeah well I mean the sea
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is disgusting I'm with her on that one
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okay so when she put her feet in she was
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very tense and the fish sense that and
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the other three of us were having lots
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and lots of fish nibbling on our feet
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and the very few of the fish very near
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perfect and I was like saying to the
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people running the place Hey look my
00:37:47
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wife's not getting any fish nibbling
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what's your game and they were like is
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she really worried and stressed about
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this and um well actually she is and
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they were like yeah the fish no I don't
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know that sounds like an excuse for a
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defective fish as far as anything she's
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got a bad batch yeah exactly
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I'm sorry those are defective but the
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other thing was this little place where
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they were doing it it was really set up
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as bit of a tourist trap it was a lovely
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looking house you could see into her and
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everyone was going in to do it and
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obviously we were sucked in with the
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rest of them so lots of people were
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taking lots of pictures and making lots
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of videos and I will share one in the
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show notes and you can look at me with
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my feet in the fish tank and look at the
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video I deliberately didn't post it
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because I was saving it for the temps
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Wow so they can have the first look but
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it did make me wonder because we were
00:38:32
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all like you know hovering our phones
00:38:34
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over the tank taking these pictures so I
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said to the staff how often do people
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drop their phones in these fish tanks
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taking pictures and they just looked at
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me completely deadpan I said three or
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three or four times a day people drop
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their phones into the fish tank taking
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pictures of fish nibbling their feet in
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this one tiny shot and the other thing I
00:38:57
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did ask was how often do people get in
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because like when people first put their
00:39:01
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feet in some people like freak out and
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start screaming and my attitude is like
00:39:05
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calm down they just little fish that
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seems like someone's being a bit of a
00:39:09
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drama llama there yeah I'm doing that
00:39:10
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like they just want the attention for
00:39:12
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screaming it's what they want well yeah
00:39:13
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maybe so I did say to them how many
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times a day do people pay their money
00:39:17
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put their feet in and say not take their
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feet out and leave or do not even put
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their feet in at all ten times a day at
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least people hand over their money and
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then won't put their feet in or take
00:39:28
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their feet straight out because they're
00:39:30
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scared of the fish but kind of related
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to phone dropping there was one other
00:39:36
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thing that happened and you might think
00:39:37
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this is like a boring brady story no
00:39:39
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because essentially it is a boring
00:39:41
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Brittany story I don't think any of your
00:39:42
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stories are boring really
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one other thing happened that really
00:39:45
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affected me oh yeah on one of the days
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we decided we would get it and we went
00:39:49
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on this boat trip and we hired this like
00:39:51
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posh catamaran that takes you out into
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the center of Santorini you watch the
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sunset and they take you out to the
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middle where the center of the volcano
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is and the water is volcanic they're
00:40:05
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like it's like as you swim in it like
00:40:06
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there are like hot patches because of
00:40:08
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all the springs and hotness underneath
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mm-hmm so I was like oh I want to swim
00:40:13
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in that so they're like okay like not
00:40:15
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everyone wants to swim in it but I was
00:40:17
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you know how does now else I wanted to
00:40:19
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jump in the volcano water of course so
00:40:21
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they were like well you bathers might
00:40:23
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get stained by the unusual water because
00:40:25
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it's very smelly and full of sulfur and
00:40:27
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I'm well I didn't care and they said and
00:40:29
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also you have to take off like any
00:40:31
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jewelry because that stuff might get
00:40:33
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affected and I'm okay whatever so I took
00:40:35
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my ring off and took my watch off and
00:40:36
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everything and then I put them in my cap
00:40:39
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and stuff and my sunnies and stuff and
00:40:40
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then jumped in the water had a swim very
00:40:43
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good fun and then when I got out I was
00:40:46
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like oh I want to do like a snapchat or
00:40:48
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like take a picture now you know I feel
00:40:51
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►
invincible when it comes to phone
00:40:52
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►
dropping I don't worry about having my
00:40:54
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phone at the edge of things too much
00:40:57
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because like I'm invincible I'm
00:40:59
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invincible so I went and grabbed my cap
00:41:02
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which had my phone in it and came and
00:41:04
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went to the very back of the boat where
00:41:06
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it like slopes down into the water and
00:41:07
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took my phone out of my cap and started
00:41:12
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doing a snap and suddenly I heard this
00:41:14
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ding ding ding and like I thought like
00:41:17
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the people running the boat had dropped
00:41:18
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like a tool like a screwdriver or like a
00:41:21
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it sounded like an allen key being
00:41:22
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dropped I wonder what that noise was by
00:41:24
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I ignored it and then my wife says Brady
00:41:27
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that was your wedding ring which I'd
00:41:31
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also put in my cap I'm like oh my
00:41:34
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goodness and like the back of the boat
00:41:36
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►
here was like you know sloped down
00:41:37
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deliberately so water can run off into
00:41:39
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the sea and stuff you know and I'm not
00:41:42
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and I tell you what I've never let my
00:41:45
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heart just sank and I looked down and
00:41:48
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perched the very very edge of the boat
00:41:52
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►
hanging into the sea hanging over was my
00:41:56
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ring it had rode to the edge of the boat
00:41:57
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and just stopped and it was hanging over
00:41:59
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the edge and like I just saw her and
00:42:02
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►
then in the corner of my eye like the
00:42:04
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guy who was like running the boat one of
00:42:06
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the boat helpers had seen it too and he
00:42:08
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started leaning towards it to pick it up
00:42:10
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►
and I just screamed stop don't touch it
00:42:14
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look I did because I didn't want anyone
00:42:16
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►
stuffing up and knocking it in yeah yeah
00:42:18
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exactly it's like if this is going in
00:42:19
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►
the water it's gotta be my fault you
00:42:21
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►
know I just I just tiptoed up to it cuz
00:42:23
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just touching it could have knocked her
00:42:24
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over the edge
00:42:24
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sinking into the water and I just gently
00:42:28
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reached and just got my finger in it and
00:42:30
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just dragged along the thing off the
00:42:32
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►
edge until it was safe and then picked
00:42:34
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up and put it on my finger and like I
00:42:36
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was like I just sat down and I said oh
00:42:39
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my god I can't believe that just
00:42:41
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►
happened I was like what would I have
00:42:43
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►
done like I can't believe it my wife was
00:42:45
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►
nervous we support another one I was
00:42:52
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►
like for like 10-15 minutes I just I
00:42:54
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►
just had to have a little sit-down
00:42:55
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►
she's a very practical woman now yeah
00:42:58
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yeah it was it was very sobering it was
00:43:01
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very scary oh man I think you have my
00:43:04
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►
sympathies with that one it's funny
00:43:05
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►
because when when my wife and I got
00:43:08
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married we intentionally took a moment
00:43:11
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to say to each other if you ever lose
00:43:14
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the wedding ring
00:43:15
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we're both agreeing now like it's not
00:43:17
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►
any kind of big deal exactly like you're
00:43:18
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like what you mean like an omen or
00:43:20
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►
something yeah it's like yeah you just
00:43:21
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lose a wedding ring you just lose it
00:43:23
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►
right I can yeah it's an object you can
00:43:25
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►
just lose it we'll just get another one
00:43:27
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►
it's totally fine
00:43:29
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►
and actually I am on I'm on my second
00:43:32
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►
wedding ring in the exact same style my
00:43:34
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wife just surprised me as a gift and got
00:43:36
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a second wedding ring because after
00:43:38
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►
after the fitted Rollins stuff from last
00:43:40
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►
year my regular wedding ring was
00:43:42
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actually a little too big on my hand and
00:43:43
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it was bothering me so she got me one
00:43:45
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►
slightly a size smaller so I don't have
00:43:47
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this feeling of like you need to hold on
00:43:49
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►
to the original item but even even I in
00:43:53
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that moment like I think I would react
00:43:55
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►
the exact same way that you do I think
00:43:57
◼
►
there's there's like an impossibility to
00:43:59
◼
►
not have a kind of gut reaction about
00:44:01
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►
like this thing is incredibly valuable
00:44:03
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►
and irreplaceable and it's like perched
00:44:06
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even if in my head I know like oh my
00:44:08
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wife and I we agree like we'll just get
00:44:09
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another one and at this point if I were
00:44:11
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to lose it it wouldn't even be my
00:44:13
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original wedding ring it's just like a
00:44:15
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little gut reaction that I think what I
00:44:16
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would find impossible not to do even
00:44:20
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with intentionally no no put it like not
00:44:24
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trying to like D sacred ties the objects
00:44:27
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►
so that you're avoiding a future
00:44:29
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►
disaster yeah like it's funny on the
00:44:33
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►
total opposite end of the spectrum my
00:44:36
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father-in-law has never removed his
00:44:40
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wedding ring after he put it on for the
00:44:43
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►
first time at his wedding Wow and I I
00:44:46
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feel like that is a kind of streak that
00:44:49
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I couldn't psychologically handle it's
00:44:51
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just like this streak then becomes like
00:44:53
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►
too long and too powerful and I whenever
00:44:56
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anything like that would ever happen in
00:44:59
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►
my life I feel like I would
00:45:00
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intentionally D streak or D say critize
00:45:02
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those kind of things like you can't turn
00:45:04
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►
this into a thing it's like it's very
00:45:06
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►
impressive that he's done that but every
00:45:07
◼
►
time it ever comes up in conversation I
00:45:09
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►
just start getting nervous for him right
00:45:12
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►
but it's like you're gonna have to take
00:45:13
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►
off his ring at some point I wonder if
00:45:15
◼
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like in quiet moments if he ever like
00:45:17
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►
loosens and let pulls it down towards
00:45:19
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►
his fingers like oh love the void maybe
00:45:34
◼
►
that's the whole reason he keeps the
00:45:35
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►
street going is that it's an exciting
00:45:36
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►
thing to do every once in a while live
00:45:41
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►
oh but I'm glad I'm glad you got your
00:45:43
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wedding ring back and I'm glad that your
00:45:47
◼
►
invincibility in dropping objects is has
00:45:51
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stayed with you it continues like it
00:45:53
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►
continues and I know I'm jinxing myself
00:45:55
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►
here and also I did too a bit of a lie I
00:45:58
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►
am very paranoid holding my phone at the
00:46:00
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►
edge of boats and things like that and I
00:46:02
◼
►
am the guy who always says do i careful
00:46:03
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►
with your phone when you're under bridge
00:46:05
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►
love like I do hold it really carefully
00:46:06
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►
so I am a bit paranoid about the edge of
00:46:08
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►
boats so I was being super careful when
00:46:11
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I took my phone out of the cap and just
00:46:13
◼
►
completely forgot that I put my ring in
00:46:14
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►
there is your wedding ring in there
00:46:15
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►
because I never take my ring off either
00:46:17
◼
►
really like I very rarely take it off
00:46:20
◼
►
interesting I take my wedding ring off
00:46:21
◼
►
fairly regularly like when I go to the
00:46:23
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►
gym I take it off because it's
00:46:25
◼
►
uncomfortable when holding the bars but
00:46:27
◼
►
I'm always aware of trying to remember
00:46:29
◼
►
very consciously like it is in the gym
00:46:31
◼
►
locker like in your pants pong and like
00:46:33
◼
►
don't forget like having a mental place
00:46:35
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►
of holding it where it is and I also
00:46:38
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just I tend to play with it as well like
00:46:39
◼
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I tend to take the ring off and just
00:46:41
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like move it around in my hand and then
00:46:42
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►
put it back on yeah so I feel like it's
00:46:44
◼
►
a small miracle that I haven't lost a
00:46:46
◼
►
ring at some point it's only a matter of
00:46:49
◼
►
time why not join the three million
00:46:52
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►
people three million apparently who have
00:46:55
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►
turned to Harry's for a great shave at a
00:46:57
◼
►
great price now of course that number
00:46:59
◼
►
would be two million nine hundred ninety
00:47:01
◼
►
nine thousand nine hundred and ninety
00:47:03
◼
►
nine were it not for me because I am one
00:47:05
◼
►
of the Harry's shavers that is like a
00:47:08
◼
►
person who shaves with Harry's I'm not
00:47:10
◼
►
like a shaver itself like Excalibur
00:47:12
◼
►
ready for action my silver-handled
00:47:14
◼
►
Harry's sits proudly waiting in the
00:47:17
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►
bathroom ready for action whenever
00:47:18
◼
►
called upon now what is Harry's you ask
00:47:21
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well I'll share a little story you may
00:47:23
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that website harrys.com / h i and now
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thanks to them for supporting this
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episode so gray this next one's gonna
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require a little bit of background and
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for people who follow me on twitter
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they'll probably already be quite aware
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of it and apologies for the who
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but it has been a bit of a distraction
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for me this week it shouldn't have been
00:48:37
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some reason I got sucked into a black
00:48:39
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hole I'm ashamed to have been sucked
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into and I want to tell you about it now
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yeah but you know what
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something like black holes get us all
00:48:46
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this stuff that you know that you
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shouldn't get sucked into but you know
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what every once in a while everyone gets
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suckered into something that they
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shouldn't so it's become a bit of a
00:48:53
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guilty play toy for me so let me tell
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you about it yes so first of all just by
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way of background so you're kind of in
00:49:01
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in the picture maybe a little bit of
00:49:03
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unnecessary background but it does help
00:49:04
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put things into context for a long time
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now there's this institution in the UK
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called the Radio Times I believe was
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started by it was certainly part of the
00:49:15
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BBC for a long time and I think it
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started as like a printed guide to radio
00:49:19
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listings so you knew what was on like a
00:49:22
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TV Guide for radio yeah exactly but what
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happened was it very quickly became the
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TV Guide for all of the UK as well it
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just kept the name Radio Times ok that's
00:49:32
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confusing yeah so forever in a day
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well back in the good old days before I
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was even in the UK I think having a copy
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of the Radio Times was pretty important
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because it was a good way to find out
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what was on TV and even to this day if
00:49:44
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my wife wants to know what's on TV shows
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sometimes say oh why don't you check the
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Radio Times website because obviously it
00:49:49
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evolved into a website now for obvious
00:49:53
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reasons this is not a business model
00:49:55
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that seems to have a strong future
00:49:57
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certainly printed copies even the
00:49:59
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website I think has limited value yeah I
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mean that the very concept of what's on
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TV now is I think a concept that is
00:50:07
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dying yeah the Radio Times very much
00:50:10
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evolved into like most of these TV
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guides also evolved into kind of like a
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magazine about news and what's happening
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in TV shows and what's happening on the
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radio so it's always got articles and
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things like that as well
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it's not just purely a function of TV
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Guide now a while ago now I'm pretty
00:50:27
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sure this is right if I'm wrong I'll
00:50:28
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take my beating later but the BBC sold
00:50:32
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the Radio Times they sold the brand I
00:50:34
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think they thought it wasn't really that
00:50:35
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valuable to them it still had a little
00:50:37
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bit of value to it so they sold it off
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so it's no longer a BBC commodity or
00:50:42
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asset it's just the Radio Times I'm not
00:50:45
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a follower of it but from the little bit
00:50:48
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this week I have the distinct impression
00:50:50
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it's gone a little bit trashy it's gone
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a little bit town market since the BBC
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offloaded it you can imagine in you know
00:50:58
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the fight to survive maybe there they're
00:51:00
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going a bit down market
00:51:01
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just my opinion apologies if I'm wrong
00:51:03
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so that's what the Radio Times is
00:51:06
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they've got this website a little bit
00:51:08
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trashy populist might be a nicer way to
00:51:10
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put it yeah it looks like they just have
00:51:12
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a bunch of news about celebrities like
00:51:14
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I'm just clicking around and it's like
00:51:16
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celebrity TV news stuff yeah so again a
00:51:22
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lot of this I have found out in
00:51:23
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retrospect but last year they had on
00:51:26
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their website they did some kind of
00:51:28
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popularity contest
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with different categories like who's
00:51:31
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your favorite actor who's your favorite
00:51:33
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►
TV star who's your favorite radio
00:51:35
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presenter and they did all this public
00:51:37
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online voting mm-hmm and I don't think
00:51:39
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you win anything in particular you're
00:51:41
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just like I think they call it like
00:51:42
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their champion their radio times
00:51:44
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champion or whatever and apparently it
00:51:46
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was quite popular last year so they've
00:51:48
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done it again this year and early in
00:51:50
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this year's contest it was brought to my
00:51:54
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attention and this is where the story
00:51:56
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starts for me and unbeknownst to you
00:51:59
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also starts for you because one of the
00:52:02
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categories they created this year
00:52:04
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instead of just having radio stars they
00:52:06
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seem to have radio and podcast mm-hmm
00:52:09
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they created some audio section it's not
00:52:12
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entirely clear what you're voting on or
00:52:15
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how one becomes the champion whether you
00:52:17
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are like you know I don't know if it's
00:52:20
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if you're good at your job or just
00:52:21
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popular or have a nice voice or whatever
00:52:25
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it is that doesn't seem to be specified
00:52:26
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it's just like a trashy contest online
00:52:30
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to drive lots of people to their website
00:52:32
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with pages with ads on it and get lots
00:52:35
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it's like clickbait isn't it and they're
00:52:38
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►
taking advantage of people's popularity
00:52:40
◼
►
these things happen now for reasons
00:52:44
◼
►
again unbeknownst to me how this
00:52:45
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►
happened you and I were lumped into this
00:52:47
◼
►
contest no it's not exactly clear to me
00:52:51
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►
how one becomes the champion I'm not
00:52:53
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►
sure if it was like for the person who
00:52:55
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like has the best voice or is the most
00:52:57
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►
entertaining or it's just a raw
00:52:59
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►
popularity contest which i think is what
00:53:02
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►
today well it says here that the radio
00:53:04
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►
and podcast champion is about who's got
00:53:07
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►
the velvet voice to claim the title well
00:53:10
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►
but it's actually just a popularity
00:53:12
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►
contest I did read that a velvet voice
00:53:14
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►
line and that did make me think Grey's
00:53:16
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►
demand but anyway let's talk about what
00:53:19
◼
►
happened obviously this is just like a
00:53:21
◼
►
clickbait click farm that we're all
00:53:24
◼
►
getting suckered into this is a machine
00:53:25
◼
►
to generate page views as well yes yes
00:53:28
◼
►
so all of this has happened unbeknownst
00:53:31
◼
►
to me it was drawn to my attention by a
00:53:34
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►
benign tweet where someone pointed it
00:53:37
◼
►
out that I clicked on and I landed on
00:53:38
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►
the page near the star of this
00:53:41
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►
competition now the way the competition
00:53:44
◼
►
is structured is the same in all the
00:53:45
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►
different categories but I'll just talk
00:53:46
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►
about the radio podcast category and
00:53:48
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►
what they seem to have done is created
00:53:51
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►
this huge list of audio personalities
00:53:55
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►
for lack of a better term because it's
00:53:56
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►
radio and podcast people all lumped
00:53:58
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►
together mm-hmm
00:53:59
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►
and I'm assuming it's very UK skewed
00:54:02
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►
mm-hmm because there's lots of British
00:54:04
◼
►
radio presenters in there lots of famous
00:54:06
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►
names from over the years and things
00:54:07
◼
►
like that and you and I obviously was in
00:54:10
◼
►
this list I don't know how on earth has
00:54:12
◼
►
happened but it happened well I mean I
00:54:14
◼
►
guess we're a UK podcast yeah but I
00:54:17
◼
►
don't know how the people at Radio Times
00:54:18
◼
►
knew about us and stuff like I would
00:54:20
◼
►
have thought we were a little bit
00:54:21
◼
►
obscure for them anyway we're there I do
00:54:24
◼
►
not think we would be a little bit
00:54:25
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►
obscure for the bit continue on all
00:54:27
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►
right so what happens is all of these
00:54:30
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►
people this massive list was broken into
00:54:32
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►
four groups Group a group B C and D like
00:54:36
◼
►
a World Cup or a sporting competition
00:54:38
◼
►
and apparently this division was done
00:54:41
◼
►
randomly you and I ended up in the same
00:54:44
◼
►
group we were in Group D well it was
00:54:47
◼
►
drawn to my attention myself and this
00:54:50
◼
►
other chap called Greg James who I've
00:54:52
◼
►
learned is like a very famous Radio One
00:54:55
◼
►
presenter in the UK BBC Radio 1 very
00:54:58
◼
►
popular with the young people he's like
00:55:00
◼
►
he's a big deal so him and I were like
00:55:03
◼
►
near the top and you were like 3rd or
00:55:05
◼
►
4th or something but obviously there had
00:55:07
◼
►
not been many votes at this point
00:55:08
◼
►
because one or two votes here and there
00:55:10
◼
►
were dramatically changing the
00:55:13
◼
►
percentages of who got what right right
00:55:15
◼
►
when I drew people was attention to this
00:55:17
◼
►
things changed rapidly and you
00:55:21
◼
►
absolutely skyrocketed to the top of the
00:55:24
◼
►
group D at one point you were like
00:55:26
◼
►
garnering 70% of the vote and myself in
00:55:30
◼
►
this chap called Greg James was sort of
00:55:32
◼
►
slugging it out for second place we were
00:55:34
◼
►
quite close I was encouraging people to
00:55:37
◼
►
actually vote for you because this is
00:55:39
◼
►
obviously a nonsense thing and sort of
00:55:42
◼
►
the the public recognition and like you
00:55:44
◼
►
winning a public vote like this would be
00:55:46
◼
►
so awkward that it would tickle me no
00:55:48
◼
►
end and be quite funny so I was quite
00:55:49
◼
►
happy to see you streaking away but yeah
00:55:51
◼
►
no I know I know exactly what you're up
00:55:53
◼
►
to here right like you're trying to put
00:55:54
◼
►
me in a difficult position if I were to
00:55:56
◼
►
win this thing I know I know what you're
00:55:57
◼
►
doing you're not doing me any favors
00:55:59
◼
►
yeah so anyway I thought this was very
00:56:01
◼
►
funny and you were running away in
00:56:03
◼
►
winning Group D and it got to the point
00:56:05
◼
►
where so many teams were involved and
00:56:07
◼
►
there was all this red a coordination
00:56:08
◼
►
going that I was even trying to
00:56:10
◼
►
manipulate the percentages and I was
00:56:11
◼
►
sort of saying let's try and get gray
00:56:13
◼
►
onto exactly you know two-thirds of the
00:56:15
◼
►
vote and things like that and for a
00:56:17
◼
►
while that was working but then you sort
00:56:19
◼
►
of came back a little bit but you ended
00:56:22
◼
►
up with over fifty percent of the vote
00:56:23
◼
►
in group day big big winner and I
00:56:26
◼
►
indulged this Greg James guy for second
00:56:28
◼
►
place no doubt because all the Tim's
00:56:30
◼
►
were playing around and this vote is the
00:56:33
◼
►
worst structured voting system in the
00:56:35
◼
►
history of voting because you can just
00:56:37
◼
►
vote multiple times you could just sit
00:56:39
◼
►
there and click some people are saying
00:56:41
◼
►
you can't vote twice in a minute on
00:56:43
◼
►
their browsers but other people they're
00:56:44
◼
►
just voting over and over again so the
00:56:47
◼
►
whole thing's a debacle yeah yeah
00:56:48
◼
►
there's no way that's true I have voted
00:56:50
◼
►
immediately after it's a debacle so
00:56:53
◼
►
anyway you won and I thought that was
00:56:56
◼
►
good and I actually hadn't really looked
00:56:57
◼
►
into what happened next and I assumed
00:56:59
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►
you would go off and then now compete
00:57:01
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►
with the winners of Group A B and C but
00:57:05
◼
►
we are nowhere near that stage yet
00:57:07
◼
►
because what it turns out what they then
00:57:09
◼
►
did to keep this clique farm running
00:57:12
◼
►
was the top eight people in each group
00:57:15
◼
►
then have this kind of head-to-head
00:57:18
◼
►
knockout contest so you're paired up
00:57:21
◼
►
with people now and there are these
00:57:22
◼
►
head-to-head battles so you were paired
00:57:25
◼
►
up with a woman called Jenny Murray
00:57:27
◼
►
who's the present
00:57:29
◼
►
of the woman's hour on BBC radio and
00:57:31
◼
►
that vote went along and you won that
00:57:34
◼
►
vote congratulations so you got to go
00:57:36
◼
►
through to the next stage I was paired
00:57:39
◼
►
up with someone very interesting I was
00:57:40
◼
►
paired up with a radio presenter called
00:57:44
◼
►
Chris Evans okay that's the name I know
00:57:45
◼
►
I know the name Chris Evans I don't know
00:57:47
◼
►
why but I know that name our American
00:57:49
◼
►
friends would know him because he
00:57:50
◼
►
presented top gear for a year just
00:57:52
◼
►
recently when the big top gear up he he
00:57:55
◼
►
was the guy that was brought in to try
00:57:56
◼
►
and save the show he's very very famous
00:57:58
◼
►
in the UK less famous elsewhere and
00:58:01
◼
►
funnily enough on that exact same day
00:58:03
◼
►
that I was paired up with him the BBC
00:58:06
◼
►
the big news story of the day in the UK
00:58:09
◼
►
was the BBC had been forced to release
00:58:10
◼
►
the salaries of all of their celebrities
00:58:13
◼
►
that earned over a hundred and fifty
00:58:14
◼
►
thousand pounds a year and Chris Evans
00:58:17
◼
►
came top of the list here and like
00:58:19
◼
►
something over 2 million pounds a year
00:58:21
◼
►
from the BBC so he was really really
00:58:23
◼
►
heavily in the news that day mm-hmm it
00:58:25
◼
►
was a big deal can you believe Chris
00:58:26
◼
►
Evans gets 2 million pounds of public
00:58:28
◼
►
money and all this sort of stuff and
00:58:30
◼
►
then the BBC were defending at saying
00:58:32
◼
►
look he hosts the most popular radio
00:58:34
◼
►
show on Europe's most popular radio
00:58:36
◼
►
station of course he's worth all this
00:58:38
◼
►
money and on the same day I was in this
00:58:40
◼
►
popularity contest with Chris Evans so
00:58:43
◼
►
this really amused me and most of my
00:58:47
◼
►
friends have no interest or don't even
00:58:50
◼
►
know about hello Internet so for me to
00:58:53
◼
►
be able to go on Facebook and say to my
00:58:54
◼
►
friend say look I'm in a popularity
00:58:56
◼
►
contest with Chris Evans who everyone
00:58:58
◼
►
knows that was like quite funny my
00:59:00
◼
►
friends were quite amused by that and lo
00:59:02
◼
►
and behold again thanks to the Tim's and
00:59:05
◼
►
probably thanks to the fact recipients
00:59:07
◼
►
was keeping a low media profile that day
00:59:08
◼
►
and was unlikely to tweet and ask all
00:59:11
◼
►
his fans to vote for him I don't see why
00:59:13
◼
►
but let's ignore that I won the vote
00:59:16
◼
►
like I I smashed Chris Evans so this was
00:59:19
◼
►
very amusing to me I think this allows
00:59:21
◼
►
you to officially put on your CV Brady
00:59:23
◼
►
Haran more popular than Chris F yes
00:59:25
◼
►
anyway so this was really funny and for
00:59:27
◼
►
me this was like my Wimbledon like Timmy
00:59:30
◼
►
I was like the journeyman tennis player
00:59:32
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in the early rounds of Wimbledon tennis
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tournament playing a high seed and
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winning and even though I don't win the
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tournament I was like a giant killer and
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I'd had my moment so anyway we went
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through to the next round
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I was paired up next time with my
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nemesis Greg James again this red here
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one presenter who I advised for second
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place with the first time around
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and I was like joking around on Twitter
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like saying I look at my nemesis but I
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didn't actually know that much about him
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to be honest like I knew he was like
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very popular
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very popular
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hello and that so I went to his
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Wikipedia page just to learn more about
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him and the Tim's had already beaten me
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there and in the part of Wikipedia page
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where it was like you write about that
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personal information it said his arch
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nemesis is Brady Haran the YouTube video
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creator and podcast he was officially
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vs. no I'm just like man I'm just
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laughing because it's like there's this
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virus there's like these minor pages of
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Wikipedia yeah I have seen editors that
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specifically reference like hello
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Internet vandalism reverted know what
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people are up to and again I would never
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encourage these hilarious edits on minor
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pages like it's not something that you
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should do with the Wikipedia but it's
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just like it just really I love the idea
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that this random person is enlisted as
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your heart anyway that was me and you
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were put up against this guy called
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Steve Allen who I have to admit again I
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wasn't familiar with but I learned is a
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very popular London talk show host and
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has been around for years and years and
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has won awards and you know good on him
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very big name in radio apparently okay
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I'll take your word for it
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hmm so you are winning against him and I
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was holding my own against Greg James
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and like the teams were getting involved
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and I saw coordination on reddit which
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led to the coining of two new terms both
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of which I quite like
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one is Tim work whom Tim's work together
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to make cently happen I like that that's
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great yeah and the other one was Tim
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also a good one
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those are great words that's fantastic
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so there was a lot of Tim work and Tim
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foolery going around and I believe
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scripts and algorithms were being
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written to try and ballot stuff and help
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us out I mean hey the website says vote
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early vote often like forty one yeah so
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anyway I went on to win my vote against
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my nemesis Greg James and that was
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setting up the much-anticipated and
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talked about final in Group D against
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you and everyone was so curious about
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what would happen when you and I were
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placed head-to-head and I already had
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all my jokes and gags and things I was
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going to do ready it was going to be so
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but Steve Allen supporters they got
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together on Facebook and elsewhere and
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they put in a really concerted effort
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and obviously you were oblivious to all
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this so you weren't trying to manipulate
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the process anyway well no I knew this
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thing was happening because you I'd seen
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it the day before get started but it was
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one of these things I quickly realized
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the last thing in the world that I want
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is to win this poll right so that's why
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I was like I'm gonna shut the hell up on
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Twitter like that's my strategy like I
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would I decided to close my mouth about
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this yeah well there were rumors
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abounded that you so didn't want to win
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that you were actually writing scripts
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and you were manipulating the vote in
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favor of Steve Allen I cannot comment on
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that well whatever the reason well Steve
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Allen came back and he won so that was
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the end of you I'm afraid you were
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knocked out yes thank you Steve Allen so
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to win Group D and this is going on at
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the moment I should point out for people
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listening so you're not going to get
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resolution in this podcast this is
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occurring live we're live podcasting
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about this so to win Group D it was me
01:03:16
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versus Steve Allen and like I have to
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say I didn't care about winning I didn't
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want to win I wanted you to win I wasn't
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competitive about it I wasn't too
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bothered I'd had my fun I had my moment
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with Chris Evans who was the only person
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in the list who was really really famous
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to me yeah and I'd beaten him so I felt
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like I'd had my fun and I had my moment
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and whatever happens happens
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yeah and I was keeping an eye on it from
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time to time because people were
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tweeting me and early on I was like a
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head and then Steve Allen was pegging me
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back and it was pretty much 50/50 and he
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seems to have these surges later that's
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what happened against you he had this
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late surge so I thought okay well he's
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gonna win he's obviously a big famous
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award-winning radio presenter and good
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luck to him but then someone pointed out
01:03:58
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to me a tweet that he had written and it
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kind of riled me up a little bit yeah so
01:04:05
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I came across this as well and I
01:04:09
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understand what you're sort of
01:04:11
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hesitating to say here because in like
01:04:14
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in this story I am totally with you it's
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like oh this has been like a funny thing
01:04:18
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but then Steve Allen tweets
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I'm through to the quarterfinals so we
01:04:25
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need to vote again on the
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Radio Times website it's another person
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I've never heard of please vote another
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person I've never heard of yet so this
01:04:35
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is referring to the both of us yeah as
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like it's somebody I've never heard of
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vote for me against this nobody that's
01:04:45
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what it sounds like it's kind of feels a
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bit that way doesn't know we're a couple
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of nobodies and go and vote for me a bit
01:04:51
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sort this out
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it totally does like always with tweets
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you know it's like you can't people are
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terrible at reading the thing the way
01:04:58
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someone means for it to be read yeah but
01:05:01
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when I came across this because now I'm
01:05:03
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in the position of I have nothing to
01:05:05
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worry about and it's you versus Steve
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Allen now in my mind this thing is
01:05:10
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totally switched because I feel like
01:05:12
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Steve Allen well guess what Steve Allen
01:05:15
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I don't know who the hell you are right
01:05:17
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but you you are not treating Brady with
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the respect he deserves and Dave and I
01:05:24
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want to see you crushed like I don't
01:05:27
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want to see Brady just win like I want
01:05:30
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to see you a crowned into the goddamn
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dust by a podcast with many many
01:05:37
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hundreds of thousands of followers right
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it's like somebody you've never heard of
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and what like you can't bother to type
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it into Google for two seconds to look
01:05:46
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up who dr. Brady Haran is like you can't
01:05:48
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figure this out you can't even look at
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this guy on Twitter who has way more
01:05:51
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Twitter followers than you like there's
01:05:53
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something about it which whether he
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intended or not like just comes off as
01:05:58
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incredibly dismissive and it's like it's
01:06:01
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because he's against you I feel really
01:06:03
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emotionally invested your victory over
01:06:06
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Steve Allen like I really do this guy
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I've never heard of but like I would
01:06:11
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never go on the internet and be like Oh
01:06:13
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Brady's got a beat some Rando I've never
01:06:15
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heard of just go vote right and in it
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like in a very
01:06:18
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assumptive way like something about it
01:06:20
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just drives me crazy and so like
01:06:21
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whatever you're gonna say I feel like I
01:06:24
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feel it ten times more than you do
01:06:26
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oh that's nice I tell you what gray he's
01:06:29
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heard of us now yeah I hope so
01:06:34
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so I don't know what's gonna happen I
01:06:36
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don't know whether Steve Allen is going
01:06:37
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to defeat the both of us well here's the
01:06:40
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thing I don't know what's going to
01:06:42
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happen I can simply say at this very
01:06:44
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moment I have just checked the results
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and so far we have managed to push you
01:06:48
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into an 81 percent victory over 19
01:06:52
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percent for Steve Allen so so far we're
01:06:55
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doing pretty well I don't know when this
01:06:57
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round finishes but he's got quite a lead
01:07:01
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to overcome at this point and I'm I'm
01:07:04
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still going to be promoting this on
01:07:06
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Twitter like I want to see that
01:07:07
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disparity get as high as it can get
01:07:10
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I'm kinda hoping he gets a bit sour
01:07:12
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grapes about if it happens that way but
01:07:13
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I don't know what's gonna happen but I
01:07:15
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don't know when it ends it ends in a
01:07:18
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couple of days actually so it's gonna be
01:07:20
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a long battle this one but you know what
01:07:22
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couple of days it gives us plenty of
01:07:23
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time to push that up even higher yeah
01:07:26
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like keep going and keep cut but like
01:07:29
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okay so I feel like I sort of jumped in
01:07:31
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over you here because of the intensity
01:07:33
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of my emotion over this pointless and
01:07:36
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poorly rigged popularity contests that
01:07:39
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is a fartist that is entirely to
01:07:41
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generate money for a lowbrow TV Guide
01:07:44
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right the whole thing is just comical
01:07:48
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but like what is life if we don't get
01:07:50
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ridiculously upset over things that
01:07:52
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don't matter right no fun at all that's
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what it is but so I feel like I jumped
01:07:56
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in on this how do you feel Brady how
01:07:58
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does that tweet make you feel do you
01:08:00
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know what not really riled but there are
01:08:03
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you know among my many vices two of them
01:08:06
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are people treating new media with
01:08:11
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disrespect like old media like TV and
01:08:14
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radio people treating online video and
01:08:16
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podcasts disrespectful yeah like it's
01:08:18
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the second-class citizen I feel like
01:08:21
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he's done that a little bit and the
01:08:22
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other problem I have is like I do get a
01:08:25
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bit competitive about games this is why
01:08:27
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I don't play games like those read on
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that because I'm a little bit
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competitive I'd managed to completely
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Park that I was like I don't care I
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still don't care about like what happens
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when it goes to group a and B and D you
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know those people
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there's some big famous people in there
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and I I hope they win like I don't care
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about winning but this one now
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like I've kind of got a little bit
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about and I'm like ah you know what now
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I do kind of want to win this one yeah
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I'm with you on that entirely yeah yeah
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and like if the other people in the
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other groups I'm sure they don't even
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care about this and I'm sure they're not
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kind of like tweek you know I'll look
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I'm against some nobody
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I don't even know what's happening and
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that's fine and you know they deserve to
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win because they're big famous popular
01:09:05
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people and this is just a popularity
01:09:06
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contest but this guy riled me a bit and
01:09:09
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so it has brought out a little bit of my
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competitive streak so I was saying to
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people come on you know help me out so
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when a big protective uncle gray weighed
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in and said let's crush this going to
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the grave I did feel like thanks man one
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of my favorite things I saw today a
01:09:25
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friend of ours Logan from who works for
01:09:28
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Ted ed and call me Ishmael
01:09:29
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of course he saw what was going on and
01:09:31
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he sent out a small message to some of
01:09:33
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his friends on slack and not only do I
01:09:35
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like that he was helping me out I also
01:09:37
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loved how he described the competition
01:09:39
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he wrote our pal Brady Haran from purely
01:09:41
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videos in hello internet etc has
01:09:43
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advanced to round four of the radio
01:09:45
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turns radio and quad cast Championships
01:09:47
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and then he wrote the contest is
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basically the Grammy Awards meets human
01:09:51
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of the year makes Twitter polls but
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bigger cast your vote here so I don't
01:10:01
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know what's gonna happen I don't know
01:10:02
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what's gonna happen but like I kind of
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wouldn't mind flying the flag for group
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D now just because of this but we'll see
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it's gonna be a long day and a half if
01:10:11
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we're gonna do it but I think we're
01:10:13
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gonna win but it's totally right that
01:10:15
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this does this does touch on this weird
01:10:18
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I don't even know how to put it but
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there is like this weird still dismissal
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stroke antagonism between old media like
01:10:27
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toward new media and particularly in the
01:10:30
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personalities and I don't know I feel
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like there's something that has really
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shifted here because I remember you and
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I a few years ago we used to have
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conversations about internet fame versus
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what I used to call real fame I was like
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oh there's real famous people and
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there's internet famous people yeah and
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while I do think that there are still
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important differences between those two
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levels and in terms of things like pure
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mission for example yeah I feel like
01:11:03
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with the with the changes that have
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happened over the past few years I feel
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like something has switched and now the
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now like internet fame feels more like
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the real Fame and old media or like
01:11:16
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movie or TV people they're famous in a
01:11:20
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way that is more widely recognizable but
01:11:23
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just somehow feels less real to me than
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internet fame I simply mean this in the
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way like when I think of the creators
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that I follow the people who are famous
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to me because I follow the work that
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yeah when I say it's more real I have
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this feeling like I have some better
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sense of who those people are and
01:11:44
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there's something that just feels very
01:11:47
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produced and artificial about old media
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creations and of course sometimes that's
01:11:53
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what you want like you want a movie to
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be an artificially created thing but I
01:11:57
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just I feel like there's something that
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has switched in my mind about these two
01:12:01
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things and I would never I would never
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use that phrase any more like real Fame
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to describe someone who is in movies
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it's just like internet fame now feels
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more real or it may be it's like it's
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more close is a better word to describe
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it I don't know it's just but it's like
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partly because I feel like the switch
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has happened in my mind I feel more
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riled when I see old media people be
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like casually dismissive of a thing and
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especially even like the incredibly
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broad audience of YouTube channels and
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podcasts it's it's like on the Internet
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you don't know who you're necessarily
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messing with when it's at like another
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internet creator because it's sometimes
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harder to find out like what our viewer
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listenership numbers so yeah it's just
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it just bothered me it really did bother
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me that tweeted riled me up well I've
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appreciated your support because I have
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no delusion that you that big popper
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weighing into the Twitter debate has
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certainly upped the ante someone I have
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to say though I don't entirely agree
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with what you said about the internet
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fame and I I don't think I'm completely
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on board with you like tell me what you
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mean well certainly going to this most
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recent VidCon because this was the first
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time I've been to VidCon since epoch
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oh god of course I feel my monster that
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it is yes I keep forgetting that this
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was your first VidCon yeah okay I went
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to like the second one when it was a bit
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more low-key but this was my first one
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where it was like yeah and certainly
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saying that like hysteria around teenage
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boy is being chased latter the Beatles
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was eye-opening for me and all this and
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all the screaming and stuff was
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something to behold yes don't think the
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world is a good way to put it yeah but I
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still feel like internet fame internet
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notoriety or whatever you want to call
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it is a step down like it is lower and
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it's fragmented across so many people
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now so it's diluted basically it's like
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more dilute Fame but what I think is
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happening is like you know the old radio
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presenters I think this is more like a
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backlash to because certainly the last
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six months or so podcasts have like
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exploded like it's just become massive
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now and radio people must be seeing this
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like they must be starting to think I
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hang on this is our Netflix this is our
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YouTube this is the thing that's gonna
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come and start hitting us hard exactly
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yeah so I imagine there's like a lot of
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hostility towards podcasts and I don't
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think like podcasters are going to
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become the new radio DJs because there's
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too many of us like there's too many of
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us to keep in your head like you're not
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going to become the old radio stars of
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the past but what's going to happen is
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the radio stars are just gonna like fade
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away you know the podcasts are gonna
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kill the radio star and people like this
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so you know I'm gonna sort of fade away
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and the recognition and the attention of
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people who consume audio is going to be
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just spread much much thinner I still
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don't think of you know people like you
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and I as like famous people we're just
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like you know people that are sharing a
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portion of this new way that people can
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give their attention there's many things
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in there but I couldn't help but look up
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what radio program Steve Allen hosts
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yeah and find what the listenership
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numbers are right and hello Internet has
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more listeners than his radio program
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does right it's just like it's an
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interesting thing just to see this
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immediate comparison and it's like yeah
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I agree with you that podcasts
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dilute radio the thing that's happening
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here is is like a lot of radio stuff has
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to be broader because you're trying to
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broadcast it to everybody in a country
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mmm like hello internet is not a podcast
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that I feel like oh is this podcast for
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everyone in the world like what but
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hello Internet make a great national
01:15:52
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broadcast like of course it wouldn't
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right it's not a thing that you would
01:15:56
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put on a national radio and be like hey
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guess what for an hour and a half we're
01:16:00
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gonna have these two guys talking about
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a trip to Greece and fish eating your
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feets right this is like it's just it's
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not something that you're going to do
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yeah but for the people who like it they
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really like it and I know like I feel
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that way about all the podcast and I
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listen to like I listen to all sorts of
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podcast none of which would make any
01:16:20
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kind of sense as a national broadcast
01:16:22
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but for the people who like those shows
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like they like them much more than they
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like something that's produced for
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everyone so I see that narrower content
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is almost always going to win out over
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something that is produced for a general
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audience and the thing that has just
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happened is I feel like podcasting has
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really gotten over some kind of hump
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where now it's easy enough for regular
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people to subscribe and listen to
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podcasts and so there's a big influx of
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audience who are finding the things that
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they really like that really suit their
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personality and their tastes and their
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sense of humor and is like yeah if I was
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working in radio of course I'd be
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worried because the listeners ship
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numbers that you have from something
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like radio it's just like traditional
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broadcast TV used to be but of course
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everybody used to watch a few shows
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because there was no choice whatsoever
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but in in the modern world like you have
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infinite amount of choice which means if
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you can find something that you like you
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probably really like that thing and you
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can fill your life up with a bunch of
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stuff that you really like as opposed to
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something that you just kind of like so
01:17:34
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yeah if I was radio I'd be worried I
01:17:36
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just went and looked at Steve Allen's
01:17:37
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Twitter and an hour ago he's just
01:17:39
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tweeted vote vote vote
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in capital letters I'm gonna retweet
01:17:46
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that to say I shared the sentiment
01:17:48
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retweet that I have to retweet that too
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yeah well none like him I'm gonna
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include the link to the place where you
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vote well yeah because you know how the
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internet works yeah of course all right
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where is he yeah there he is Steve Allen
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live update vote vote vote all right
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yeah let's do this
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let me add a comment yep what do you
01:18:09
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guys think so the same thing I'm gonna
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say couldn't agree more dr. Brady Haran
01:18:17
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for the wind exclamation mark did you
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put the link yeah yeah I'm free the link
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in there we go great all right great
01:18:45
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you've gotta stay on the ball who's
01:18:47
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working for me you gotta see this arena
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oh yeah man I am I am here 110 percent
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buddy I'm here for you until the bitter
01:18:55
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bitter end and it's a great day only
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four great day oh yeah yes I don't care
01:19:01
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after this round whatever right but this
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is like cuz I feel a little big I feel a
01:19:06
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little bit guilty about like the
01:19:07
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technological expertise of the Tim's
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don't feel guilty about it at all
01:19:11
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because as far as I'm concerned this is
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exactly what the Radio Times wanted they
01:19:14
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wanted a gigantic click machine they
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left all the doors wide open for every
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possible way that you could click so as
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far as I'm concerned Radio Times is
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getting exactly what they wanted they'll
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be able to show their advertisers we had
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10 billion page views over the weekend
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right yeah they'll be able to sell that
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right along so far as I'm concerned
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everybody wins
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except Steve Allen hello listeners do
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I've been at the gym lately trying to
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get back on the horse again after
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falling off numerous times and I was
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having a discussion with my trainer the
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other day and it brought up something
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that I was curious to ask you and that
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is when you are doing like an exercise
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that involves counting like ten reps or
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twelve of them will do 20 of that do you
01:22:02
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count up or count down
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it's really interesting that you ask
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that Brady right because I have always
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counted up right but I have I don't know
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maybe a month ago I decided that that
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was the wrong way to do it yeah I should
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switch to counting down this seems like
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the better way to do it because it feels
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like more finality and more motivation
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to get to the end because then you're
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just keeping in your mind the number
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that's counting down you're not keeping
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in mind two things like counting up and
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the target that you're counting to you
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right you're a smart boy can you know
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hold that if not much information in
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your head it's not about that it's just
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about simplification it seems like this
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is the better way to do it it's not it's
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not of course Brady I can hold two
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pieces of information in my head at once
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but if I can hold just one piece of
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information in my head I would prefer to
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do that however I have found this is
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almost impossible to do
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I cannot mentally retrain myself to
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count down versus counting up like I
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keep mine constantly keep forgetting to
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do it or I find my internal count
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subroutine just wants to count up it
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just does is not designed to count in
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the opposite way so in my attempts to
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make something mentally simpler I have
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found that I have made it mentally
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impossible to do like I just cannot
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convince my brain to count down which
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way do you do it I definitely count up
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I prefer that too I haven't thought
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about the reasons but I'm gonna I'm
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about to speculate on it on the fly but
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I'm so into counting up that if my
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trainer counts down like towards the end
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like he used to go okay three two like
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so that's telling a philosophy I like
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tell him to stop I don't like it it just
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confuses me so he now knows not to speak
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he just says do do 10 silence no we talk
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a lot but just not to count mm-hm so
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like I count up and I don't like him to
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count with me event I think the reason I
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might like counting up is I like the
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idea that the thing I'm doing is growing
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a bank account growing or your scholar's
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wallboard growing like the numbers
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getting bigger and I'm achieving
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something look look now I've done five
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now done six the numbers getting bigger
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that's how strong and powerful I must be
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whereas if the if the number was
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diminishing I'd feel like I was just
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like hmm that's all going away I think
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that's why the count up happens because
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at least in my experience when you first
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tried to do any kind of exercise and you
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realize oh my arms are weak noodley
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appendages that could be nothing it's
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like oh wow lifting a bar above my head
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once this feels like a great
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accomplishment and then being able to do
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it twice that's why you start counting
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up I think that's why I started counting
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up without even thinking about it is you
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want to mark all of those achievements
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yeah I just think further along in the
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exercise routine now that I can do like
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five sets of five of an exercise it
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feels like the counting down is is the
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more correct way to do it but yeah I
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totally get you want to mark your
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achievements especially in the beginning
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when you were making very poor progress
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yeah another thing we were talking about
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was how much people like to know like
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for example when some people doing like
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the planks and things are that way you
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time it some of his clients don't like
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to be told the time at all they just
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want to be told at the end all right
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stop you learn the linen weaved other
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ones like tonight okay it's 5 seconds 10
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seconds 15 seconds and another thing he
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said was some people don't want to know
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how much weights been put on the bar
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like he'll put the things on there and
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say okay we're gonna do 10 reps you know
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and he wouldn't even tell them what the
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weight is and other people are really
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into it they want to know exactly what
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they're lifting and hours at our counts
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45 is okay right I say what about you I
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imagine you you quite like the
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information I would imagine when I was
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working in a very limited way with my
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trainer I found all of these additional
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things I just didn't I didn't like I
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didn't like any of these extra exercises
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I felt like I'm here to do a very simple
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and very narrow thing so I want to make
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sure that I'm not hurting myself on the
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exercises that I'm doing yeah like my
01:26:23
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trainer was trying to sell me on a bunch
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of like hey let's do these routines
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because you know we want to complicate
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to profit and have you here all the time
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me feeling like I want to extract
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knowledge from you and then be done with
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you right was was my my feeling of how
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this interaction should go I'll just say
01:26:41
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that I I felt very aware that on the
01:26:43
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times that my trainer was getting me to
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do like the routines that he wanted to
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do I felt like there were always like
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tricks being pulled like I don't think
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you're reporting the amount of time or
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weight accurately to me I think you're
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reporting it in a way that makes me feel
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better about what I'm accomplishing and
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I don't need any of these tricks I don't
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want to know that that's my feeling
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about it I think you're a little bit too
01:27:03
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distrustful there but yeah
01:27:05
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oh yeah you don't you don't think any
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trainers would pull tricks to make you
01:27:08
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feel better about cutting down the
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seconds a little bit so you feel like
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you accomplished something
01:27:12
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I think trainers would do that well
01:27:14
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maybe they do that they certainly try to
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boost your confidence and encourage you
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but I don't think that's like a bad
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thing but I mean yeah I guess I'd go to
01:27:23
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a trainer for a different reason to you
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I mean of course I could just go and do
01:27:25
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all the exercises myself but the problem
01:27:27
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is I won't do it unless I have like an
01:27:29
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appointment and someone making me do it
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for an hour a if I don't have an
01:27:32
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appointment I probably won't go and if I
01:27:34
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do go I'll just watch cricket on the TV
01:27:36
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and skive off after 15 minutes and get a
01:27:38
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Chinese on the way home basically think
01:27:43
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of there was this gym my parents old
01:27:46
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place in North Carolina that had a bagel
01:27:50
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shop in the gym right at the entry I
01:27:54
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used to wonder like I bet there's a a
01:27:57
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non-trivial number of people who say I'm
01:28:00
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going to the gym they go in they get a
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nice breakfast bagel and orange juice
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jump on it for a while and then just go
01:28:07
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home I bet that bagel shop tat up did a
01:28:09
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pretty good profit of people just
01:28:10
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turning around and feeling like well I
01:28:12
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tried I went to the gym I didn't make it
01:28:15
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inside of course but I made it to this
01:28:18
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suspiciously placed bagel shop which is
01:28:20
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right at the entry another thing I do is
01:28:23
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if I'm doing an exercise that's quite
01:28:24
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difficult and I know I'm gonna be really
01:28:26
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pushing it to get to the end like he
01:28:28
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says like I do 12 reps of this and it's
01:28:30
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something really heavy I will sometimes
01:28:32
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break it into two lots of six in my head
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I'll count up to six and then I'll do
01:28:36
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another six mm-hmm I guess it's just
01:28:38
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making things achievable yeah it's like
01:28:42
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any goal Brady you got to break it down
01:28:45
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achieve Abul parts because 12:12 the
01:28:48
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number too big for any mortal but two
01:28:51
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sets of six that might just be
01:28:52
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accomplishable or another thing is that
01:28:54
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makes me realize how psychological it is
01:28:56
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is how often the number he sets is my
01:28:58
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breaking point
01:29:00
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like okay you have to do seven at this
01:29:02
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really high way and the seventh one is
01:29:04
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like oh well I couldn't have done eight
01:29:06
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it would have been physically impossible
01:29:07
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that was my absolute limit but if he'd
01:29:09
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said to do eight it would have been the
01:29:11
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same thing but your body just like knows
01:29:13
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the finish line and like just falls over
01:29:15
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the finish line each time yeah yeah I
01:29:17
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want to be clear to any any Tim's who
01:29:19
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are listening who want to get on the
01:29:21
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fitter Tron lifestyle even though I have
01:29:23
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a particularly weird relationship with
01:29:26
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my trainer that was also extremely
01:29:28
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temporary I am again the first to
01:29:30
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acknowledge that if you want to do this
01:29:32
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kind of stuff like I highly recommend
01:29:33
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that you get a trainer because I was
01:29:36
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super aware of that effect to that the
01:29:39
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number he would mention would be the
01:29:40
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breaking point but it would also very
01:29:44
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often be further than I I would have
01:29:46
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been able to do if it was just me in the
01:29:47
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gym if it was just me thinking like oh
01:29:50
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instead of doing five reps I'm gonna try
01:29:52
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to do seven like I would never have been
01:29:53
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able to do seven but when he says do
01:29:55
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seven there is also that effect of like
01:29:58
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you're with another person and you want
01:30:00
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to try to do the thing so it's like it
01:30:02
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is definitely way more effective to have
01:30:03
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the person there but yeah I also found
01:30:06
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that effect very noticeable and very
01:30:09
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funny that I could always just barely
01:30:12
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achieve the thing that the trainer had
01:30:14
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said and I don't think it's because
01:30:17
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trainers are preternatural and their
01:30:21
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ability to predict exactly what your
01:30:22
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breaking point is I think there's
01:30:24
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something psychological about pushing
01:30:26
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yourself toward a limit that another
01:30:29
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person has specified what's your finish
01:30:31
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on five thousand set up at the moment
01:30:32
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what are you doing oh man so okay so
01:30:37
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here's the thing here's the thing that I
01:30:38
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find a little depressing I've been in
01:30:40
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America for six weeks very very long
01:30:43
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time America as we know streets are
01:30:46
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paved with donuts mm-hmm but more than
01:30:49
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that one of the problems that I have
01:30:52
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with traveling is that okay so in my
01:30:55
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regular routine I use freeway
01:30:59
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to do like bench presses and squats and
01:31:01
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this kind of stuff like this again very
01:31:02
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very low weights like I'm not doing
01:31:04
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anything impressive but I have found for
01:31:07
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me those are the exercises that I stick
01:31:08
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with the most that also have the most
01:31:11
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obvious impact for the minimum amount of
01:31:14
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time that I can possibly put in don't
01:31:16
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say the weights are low gray I always
01:31:17
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think it makes you sound like an awesome
01:31:19
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►
gorilla when you say I had to first seek
01:31:20
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professional advice to make sure I
01:31:22
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wasn't hurting myself it makes it sound
01:31:23
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like you're pulling planes with your
01:31:25
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teeth and lifting up cars with your bare
01:31:27
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hands yeah but that's exactly why I want
01:31:29
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to specify two people the weights are
01:31:31
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low because when they see my noodley
01:31:33
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body in person it's like wait a minute I
01:31:35
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thought you lifted weights and like yes
01:31:36
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they're very sad oh I thought maybe you
01:31:38
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were gonna say yeah I'm saying the
01:31:39
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weights are low just for other people's
01:31:41
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safety when in fact I'm just lifting
01:31:42
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incredible amounts that would kill a
01:31:44
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normal human like it's almost like a
01:31:46
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public safety reason that you're saying
01:31:48
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you live low weights when in fact you
01:31:50
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are lifting cars I wish that was the
01:31:52
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case but so I build up the weight very
01:31:54
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slowly over time because I'm just there
01:31:56
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in the gym myself so I want to be
01:31:58
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cautious again about injuring myself and
01:32:00
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so like my progression is
01:32:01
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extraordinarily slow but then what
01:32:03
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happens is over the summer it's way
01:32:07
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harder to get access while traveling to
01:32:11
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the kind of equipment that I'm normally
01:32:13
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►
using and so for six weeks I've been
01:32:16
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trying to exercise using crappy gym
01:32:19
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►
equipment essentially and you know
01:32:22
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you're going to get the machines at best
01:32:24
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to try to replicate some of the
01:32:26
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exercises that you do and I felt like I
01:32:28
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thought over the summer I was doing a
01:32:31
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pretty good job of probably maintaining
01:32:34
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my level of strength using resistance
01:32:36
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machines but just just two days ago
01:32:40
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after having finally come back from
01:32:43
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America and getting into my regular gym
01:32:45
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and getting back to the regular
01:32:46
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equipment I discovered that I was
01:32:48
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basically starting again from zero
01:32:50
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►
because those machines in the gym that
01:32:54
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just do one motion if you just don't
01:32:56
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►
realize how much they're helping you in
01:33:01
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►
the way that you don't have to use all
01:33:03
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►
kinds of stabilizing muscles you don't
01:33:05
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►
have to use any other part of your body
01:33:08
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it's like oh I'm doing a bench press on
01:33:09
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this machine it's like I'm literally
01:33:11
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exercising too
01:33:12
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muscles exactly and nothing else what's
01:33:15
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the benefit of those machines then is it
01:33:17
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the fact that you can really target a
01:33:19
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muscle la la I think the benefit of
01:33:21
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those machines is that it's less likely
01:33:22
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that people are going to injure
01:33:23
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themselves in a gym and so the insurance
01:33:25
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costs are lower like I think okay if I
01:33:28
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had to wager something I would wager
01:33:29
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that's why they're there oh so if I went
01:33:32
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to a gym and all their head was free
01:33:34
◼
►
weights I would think what am I paying
01:33:35
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for just a whole bunch of lumps of metal
01:33:36
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right have you not spent anything you
01:33:41
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►
know what I would believe that I would
01:33:43
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►
believe that that's an effect that
01:33:44
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►
people want to see a bunch of equipment
01:33:46
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►
because I feel actually like I've even
01:33:49
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kind of fallen for that because again in
01:33:50
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America when I've gone into gyms I feel
01:33:53
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like I'm Way more impressed by the gyms
01:33:55
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that have like a ton of equipment hmm
01:33:57
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even though I'm trying to walk to the
01:33:59
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very back of the gym to find the one
01:34:01
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►
free weight area and I want to skip all
01:34:03
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the rest of it but I still feel like I'm
01:34:04
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psychologically influenced by the
01:34:06
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►
existence of all of those machines even
01:34:08
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►
though I don't necessarily think that
01:34:10
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they're super beneficial for me my
01:34:12
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feeling is like I'm a little bit
01:34:14
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►
disappointed because I thought strength
01:34:16
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wise I had done a much better job of
01:34:18
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maintaining but I'm essentially starting
01:34:21
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►
over again from zero with the actual
01:34:23
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free weights because this is like oh man
01:34:26
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I am dramatically overestimated where I
01:34:28
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could continue from and so I'm building
01:34:30
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it back up but I don't mind because
01:34:32
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again I feel like the travelling was
01:34:35
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necessary and just like we're always
01:34:37
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saying with the fit of Tron lifestyle I
01:34:39
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feel like it's all about just getting
01:34:41
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back on all the time like as long as you
01:34:43
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as long as you're willing to continually
01:34:45
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get back on that's what really matters
01:34:47
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as opposed to any absolute position at
01:34:49
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any point in time do you get affected by
01:34:52
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the presence and the makeup and the
01:34:55
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demographics and the number of other
01:34:56
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people who are in the gym when you go
01:34:58
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like will you go into the free weights
01:35:00
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►
section and if there's like a bunch of
01:35:01
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huge bodybuilders doing awesome things
01:35:03
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►
will you just like sneak away because
01:35:05
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you're a bit embarrassed to be noodle
01:35:07
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►
man or are you completely oblivious to
01:35:09
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►
who's there and what who's doing what my
01:35:11
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►
only care is how many people are in the
01:35:13
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gym in terms of can I get access to the
01:35:15
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►
equipment right so I have strategically
01:35:17
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figured out the times when the fewest
01:35:19
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people are in the gym and I arrange my
01:35:21
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►
whole schedule around that right because
01:35:23
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it's like an immovable externality in my
01:35:26
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►
but the thing I found really interesting
01:35:28
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and again I want to specify to anybody
01:35:30
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►
who's thinking of going to the gym is I
01:35:32
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have found the super muscley guys
01:35:36
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►
nothing but the nicest guys in the world
01:35:38
◼
►
at least at least in my gym like it's
01:35:40
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►
not a lot of interaction but on
01:35:42
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►
occasions that I've had interactions
01:35:43
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it's always just like oh yeah they're
01:35:45
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super happy to see other people in the
01:35:47
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►
gym exercising like always very nice so
01:35:50
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I've never felt intimidated by any of
01:35:52
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those people if anything I always feel
01:35:53
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just super impressed because I have a
01:35:56
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►
much better sense now of how much work
01:36:01
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►
and effort that really represents in a
01:36:04
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►
way that I never had before I think I
01:36:08
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just have a much better sense for when I
01:36:09
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►
see a guy who's really built up his body
01:36:11
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►
it's like that is a lot of work two
01:36:14
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►
thumbs up to you dude fair enough
01:36:16
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are you intimidated by them Brady I am
01:36:18
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affected by how many people are in the
01:36:20
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gym and I don't like making a spectacle
01:36:23
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of myself so you don't throw the the
01:36:24
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weights down on the floor and you go
01:36:26
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hard as they make a big bashing sound
01:36:29
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►
yeah and also like even with my trainer
01:36:30
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he's now learnt like if I'm doing
01:36:33
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something that is likely to turn
01:36:35
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►
people's heads just because it involves
01:36:37
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eye catching motion or noise I want to
01:36:42
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do that like hidden away like if I'm
01:36:43
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doing something as simple as box jumps I
01:36:45
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don't want to do that out in the middle
01:36:47
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►
of the gym in a public area he knows I
01:36:49
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just don't like yeah that kind of stuff
01:36:51
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I would hate I would hate to do yeah I'm
01:36:53
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with there are certain exercises I won't
01:36:55
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do like I won't do like you know when
01:36:57
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you could hold weights at your side and
01:36:59
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you do lunges but you like walk across
01:37:02
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the gym oh yes no no I won't know that
01:37:04
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I'll do lunges on the spot but I'm not
01:37:06
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going to be that guy walking across the
01:37:08
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gym doing lunges like down the aisle in
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front of everyone and stuff I'm like no
01:37:11
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I don't want to be looked at I'm not
01:37:14
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quite sure I obviously I'm not a shy
01:37:15
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person but I don't know at the gym I
01:37:18
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don't like being a spectacle I just want
01:37:20
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to be in my corner do my stuff yeah yeah
01:37:22
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I'd veto a spectacle exercises as well
01:37:26
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can I just do a little bit of sports
01:37:28
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Ball corner so I just thought I'd sneak
01:37:33
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that in it's a question that immediately
01:37:37
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rolls into the start of sports ball
01:37:40
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it's really a question its but I of
01:37:44
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course Brady of course go ahead with
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sports ball corner because it starts
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with a little little sports spoke on a
01:37:50
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sequel that I thought you would
01:37:51
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appreciate ooh
01:37:52
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because we talked about this golfer who
01:37:55
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lost a big tournament because she had
01:37:57
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marked her bowl incorrectly on the green
01:38:00
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and put it back like a centimeter in the
01:38:02
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wrong place and she got this huge
01:38:04
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draconian penalty and it cost her an
01:38:06
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entire tournament and I thought that was
01:38:07
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really unfair right right
01:38:09
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as a result they actually changed some
01:38:12
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of the guidelines in golf to give people
01:38:14
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running tournaments a bit of discretion
01:38:16
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when that happens
01:38:17
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lo and behold there was another big
01:38:19
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tournament recently that was one there
01:38:22
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was the Irish Open this was a men's to
01:38:24
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on him at this time the exact same thing
01:38:26
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happened there was a slight miss placing
01:38:28
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of a bowl that was discovered very minor
01:38:30
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I don't it doesn't affect the results
01:38:32
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for my opinion and I think sanity
01:38:34
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prevailed and he wasn't penalized and he
01:38:37
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won the tournament okay he won the
01:38:39
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torn-up by six shots anyway but but
01:38:41
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anyway another golfer took to Twitter to
01:38:44
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complain about this you know what I
01:38:46
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could describe as a very gray like
01:38:47
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response that I thought you would
01:38:49
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Jimmy Walker replied to the European
01:38:53
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nice enforcement of the rules of golf
01:38:55
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and then he followed up with a second
01:38:58
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tweet saying if we don't have rules then
01:39:00
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we have nothing and that desmet of
01:39:03
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grayness to me I thought I thought you
01:39:06
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would appreciate that I do I mean the
01:39:08
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rules are civilization that's that's how
01:39:10
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everything holds together I agree with
01:39:11
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that but from your description it sounds
01:39:14
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like discretion was built into the rules
01:39:16
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so I'm not I'm not sure that this is a
01:39:18
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case where that's a violation how can
01:39:20
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you have like discretion in rules though
01:39:22
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like basically what's happening is you
01:39:24
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have now have flexible rows where it
01:39:25
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could be enforced or not enforced
01:39:27
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depending on a human decision don't get
01:39:29
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me wrong I don't like the discretion
01:39:31
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right like if I was in charge of any
01:39:32
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kind of sports body I would work to
01:39:34
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remove the discretion as much as
01:39:37
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possible in every step in every way but
01:39:39
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nonetheless what I'm what I'm saying is
01:39:42
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if the rules as currently written have a
01:39:45
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place where there is room for human
01:39:47
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discretion the players are operating
01:39:50
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within those rules yeah
01:39:52
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that is what is happening but there's a
01:39:54
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meta question here about should you have
01:39:56
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rules where there are human discretion
01:39:57
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and I think you end up having
01:40:00
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essentially human discretion results
01:40:02
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when there's no technological solution
01:40:04
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and so like before you have replay
01:40:06
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cameras you have to have umpires making
01:40:09
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decisions on the spot because otherwise
01:40:10
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the game would take a thousand hours to
01:40:12
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play out so then that's what I mean it's
01:40:15
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like I'm fine with it if it's written
01:40:17
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into the rules but on a meta level we
01:40:20
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should work overtime to reduce the human
01:40:22
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discretion in sports games because it's
01:40:25
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just like it it feels like ultimately a
01:40:27
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human discretion call has to have some
01:40:29
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element of unfairness because it depends
01:40:32
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on so many things happening at that
01:40:33
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exact instant I mean a statement from
01:40:36
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the people who make the rules of golf
01:40:38
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and oversee golf is quite telling but
01:40:40
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also could lead to problems it says
01:40:42
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players should not be held to the degree
01:40:45
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of precision that can sometimes be
01:40:47
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provided by video technology and like on
01:40:50
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the face of it that seems quite a
01:40:51
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►
reasonable statement you know no I don't
01:40:53
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ok I don't agree with that at all that
01:40:55
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reasonable in the slightest no no that's
01:40:57
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a rule that's rejecting the available
01:40:59
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technology I don't like that one tiny
01:41:00
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►
bit no but like basically the context of
01:41:03
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this is though it's not saying you know
01:41:05
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who crossed the line first in a race
01:41:08
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►
let's look at the video to know once and
01:41:09
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►
for all this is about things like
01:41:11
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replacing your bowl you know you pick up
01:41:12
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the ball and like wipe the grass off it
01:41:14
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can you put it back in the exact same
01:41:16
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►
spot that you picked it up from like a
01:41:18
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video will show actually it was half a
01:41:20
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millimeter to the left of where you just
01:41:22
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put it down players aren't robots they
01:41:23
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can't do that
01:41:24
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►
yeah ok physically can't do that I'll
01:41:26
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►
agree with that one that seems fair but
01:41:28
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here the technological limitation is the
01:41:30
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human eye right we're conceding that the
01:41:33
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resolution of the human eye and and
01:41:35
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memory for exact placement has limits
01:41:37
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so yeah I can go along with that that
01:41:39
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seems okay to me but then it does open
01:41:40
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this blurry line like ok how much can
01:41:43
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you be wrong by can you be wrong by 3
01:41:45
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►
millimeters can you be wrong by 5
01:41:47
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►
millimeters or can you just be wrong by
01:41:49
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►
whatever Jeff the rules man says on the
01:41:51
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►
day anyway what this is making me think
01:41:55
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►
of is I may have told this before but
01:41:57
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ages and ages ago when I was merely
01:41:59
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training to be a teacher there was this
01:42:02
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big list of boxes that we need to tick
01:42:04
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►
and I mean quite literally
01:42:06
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several hundred there was either like
01:42:08
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things you need to do to demonstrate
01:42:10
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►
evidence for your becoming a teacher
01:42:11
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mm-hmm and I'll never forget this
01:42:13
◼
►
conversation that I had with my advisor
01:42:15
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►
that essentially boiled down to I was
01:42:17
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like okay how many of these boxes do I
01:42:20
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►
need to tick
01:42:21
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►
she was says it would be great if you
01:42:23
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could take all of the boxes that's like
01:42:25
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okay yes I understand it would be great
01:42:27
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►
if I could take all of the boxes but
01:42:29
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what's the minimum number of boxes I
01:42:32
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could tick and you would still certify
01:42:34
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►
me as a teacher right it's like she she
01:42:36
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just would not give me an answer about
01:42:37
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that but it's like of course you want to
01:42:41
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know like what is the biggest boundary
01:42:43
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that I can push and yes I can
01:42:44
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immediately see that next year if the
01:42:47
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rule is the ball can be placed within
01:42:50
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the range of the human ability to
01:42:52
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determine what is the exact same spot I
01:42:55
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would be the guy who as a golfer who'd
01:42:57
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be saying the same thing like okay
01:42:59
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obviously I can't put it down the exact
01:43:01
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►
same spot but if I put it down a
01:43:03
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centimeter away is that still a good
01:43:05
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right and like they're not gonna want to
01:43:07
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whatever they're thinking in there and
01:43:09
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►
that would become the new norm Yeah
01:43:10
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right exactly it was like so I can move
01:43:12
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the ball a centimeter each time is that
01:43:14
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►
what you're saying and they're like no
01:43:15
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no you can't do it on purpose is like no
01:43:17
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of course not on purpose but like
01:43:19
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►
there's gotta be some number so it just
01:43:22
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►
it feels like the same situation again
01:43:23
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►
well great I enjoy your perspective on
01:43:26
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►
sporting controversies and incidents I'm
01:43:29
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glad you do there was one that came up
01:43:31
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►
earlier this year though I also I'm just
01:43:32
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►
dying to hear your opinion on and it
01:43:35
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►
happened so long ago that I thought I'd
01:43:37
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►
kind of missed my opportunity to ask you
01:43:38
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►
about it but it came up again in the
01:43:40
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►
news recently because of like ongoing
01:43:42
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►
action and it gives me a second bite of
01:43:44
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►
the cherry so I want to tell you about
01:43:46
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►
this other story that happened and just
01:43:48
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►
to get your perspective because it
01:43:49
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►
always illuminates me so what happened
01:43:54
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►
was at the start of this year there was
01:43:56
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a football match in the UK a soccer
01:43:58
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►
match and I won't go into the reasons
01:44:00
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►
why but there's one or two knockout
01:44:02
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►
tournaments in the UK we're really
01:44:05
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►
really lowly teams that bordering on
01:44:08
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amateur if not completely amateur get to
01:44:10
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play against the big professional teams
01:44:12
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►
in the early rounds and it's like it's
01:44:14
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always a big treat for them they hardly
01:44:16
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►
ever win if they win it becomes massive
01:44:17
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►
but it's always a big occasion Oh
01:44:20
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►
you know this lowly group of footballers
01:44:22
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►
who are plumbers and carpenters and that
01:44:24
◼
►
are playing against all the millionaire
01:44:26
◼
►
superstars this week can they beat them
01:44:28
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►
they normally get crushed sometimes
01:44:30
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►
sometimes they went really anyway it's
01:44:33
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always very romantic and the media gets
01:44:35
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►
very carried away with it when these
01:44:36
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►
random draws happen that allow this to
01:44:38
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happen happened this year at the start
01:44:40
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►
of the year this lowly team called
01:44:42
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►
Sutton United got to play against the
01:44:44
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►
millionaire superstars from Arsenal so
01:44:47
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►
there was all this there are all these
01:44:49
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►
profile pieces and media stories before
01:44:51
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►
the game about all the players for
01:44:53
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►
Sutton how they're all amateurs and how
01:44:55
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they're all these you know just normal
01:44:56
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►
chaps and they're getting to have their
01:44:57
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big day in the Sun and the thing the
01:45:00
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►
media really fell in love is was the
01:45:02
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►
fact that Sutton United's goalkeeping
01:45:05
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►
coach and also like their reserve
01:45:08
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►
goalkeeper in a way like if their
01:45:09
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►
goalkeeper got injured he was the guy
01:45:11
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►
that would come on in an emergency was
01:45:14
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►
this guy called Wayne Shaw and basically
01:45:17
◼
►
he seems like a nice guy
01:45:19
◼
►
but he's like very he's overweight he
01:45:23
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►
doesn't he doesn't look like a sportsman
01:45:25
◼
►
he's big he's a big fat guy and he's
01:45:27
◼
►
like a character of the club and I think
01:45:29
◼
►
he was also responsible for like you
01:45:30
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know cleaning the toilets or locking the
01:45:32
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►
gates and stuff you know he was like a
01:45:34
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►
salt of the earth important guy for the
01:45:37
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►
club that they all loved but he also
01:45:38
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►
happened to be their reserve goalkeeper
01:45:39
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►
in an emergency would he get to come on
01:45:42
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►
and play if there was an injury you get
01:45:44
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►
the picture but another thing that
01:45:47
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happens in the UK around sport is the
01:45:49
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betting markets the companies that take
01:45:52
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►
bets love creating publicity for
01:45:54
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►
themselves of course and one of them
01:45:57
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started a betting market on whether or
01:45:59
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not because this guy Wayne Shaw would be
01:46:01
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►
sitting on the bench for the whole game
01:46:02
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►
unless you had to play which was
01:46:04
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►
unlikely while he was sitting on the
01:46:06
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►
bench would this guy eat a pie a meat
01:46:09
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►
pie because like the thing you do at a
01:46:11
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►
football match if you're in the fan is
01:46:13
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you eat these small meat pies which I
01:46:15
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know I know they're not a big deal in
01:46:17
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►
America these sort of handheld sized
01:46:19
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pies full of mate but that's what you
01:46:21
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►
ate at a cold football game in England
01:46:23
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►
yeah only in a pie haha we'll give you
01:46:25
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these odds that he will or he might and
01:46:27
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►
they gave some ridiculous odds yeah I
01:46:28
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►
think just to be clear for the Americans
01:46:30
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►
like you need to understand that there's
01:46:31
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like a small handheld
01:46:33
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►
thing all right this is not like a like
01:46:35
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a cream pie or a big fruit pie now it's
01:46:37
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like yeah it's like a small half muffin
01:46:39
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►
it's a it's a very small thing but it's
01:46:41
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an unhealthy thing to it it's an
01:46:43
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unhealthy things eat and the word pie is
01:46:45
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just a funny word yeah and also pies are
01:46:48
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traditionally associated with like
01:46:50
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overweight people like yeah like a mean
01:46:53
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►
chart that people do is you know who ate
01:46:55
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all the pies who ate all the part as it
01:46:57
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►
was you because you're overweight so pie
01:46:59
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►
is that the stereotypical thing to say
01:47:00
◼
►
it if that person will eat so anyway
01:47:04
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►
towards the end of this game Arsenal won
01:47:06
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►
the game as expected the goalkeeping guy
01:47:09
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►
didn't have to come on because there was
01:47:11
◼
►
no injury so he set on the bench the
01:47:12
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►
whole game about 5-10 minutes before I
01:47:16
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►
can tell you eight minutes before the
01:47:17
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►
end of the game
01:47:18
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►
this guy Wayne sure eats of pie say sup
01:47:22
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►
someone passes in my pie is obviously
01:47:24
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►
going along with the joke and there's
01:47:25
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all these pictures and footage of him
01:47:27
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eating a pie and for like the first few
01:47:30
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►
hours it was really funny and it became
01:47:32
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the big funny story of the game because
01:47:34
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►
otherwise it was just a pretty boring
01:47:35
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►
game a big famous team beat a lowly
01:47:38
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►
little team but there's also a lot of
01:47:40
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like controversy around betting on sport
01:47:43
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literally in the UK and things being
01:47:45
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rigged like you know if someone said you
01:47:48
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►
know we're gonna win three nil and you
01:47:49
◼
►
rigged the game to win three nil that
01:47:51
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people could go to prison for that but
01:47:54
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should there be a scandal about a guy
01:47:57
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►
eating a pie like he knew this thing
01:47:59
◼
►
existed these bets existed when he made
01:48:02
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the decision to eat the pie he was like
01:48:04
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affecting the outcome and apparently
01:48:06
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some people won very large amounts of
01:48:08
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►
money because he ate the pie no I'm
01:48:09
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thinking I hope he bet on him eating a
01:48:12
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pie right like I want this guy to be a
01:48:14
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►
millionaire it would definitely be
01:48:16
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►
illegal for him to it would be illegal
01:48:18
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►
for him or people he was conspiring with
01:48:20
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►
to rig a betting market lada anyway who
01:48:23
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►
couldn't that's happen offshore like
01:48:24
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this I feel like there's a way to get
01:48:26
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this guy is pie money well you're quite
01:48:28
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right I think some people believe maybe
01:48:30
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►
he did conspire with people to make
01:48:31
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►
money I don't know but in the end he got
01:48:34
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in so much trouble from the football
01:48:36
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►
authorities he had to resign this guy
01:48:39
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►
that everyone at the club loves who
01:48:40
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paints the Lions and locks the gates and
01:48:42
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has loves the club with his heart and so
01:48:44
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he had to resign he's like being
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charged under football rules and he's in
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a whole bunch of trouble it's called pi
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gate it's this huge scandal that is like
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rolling on and I don't know what to
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think about it because if he didn't eat
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the pie he would have been affecting the
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marker as well once he knew this was
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happening he had sole control over
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whether he ate the pie or not it's not
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like he was out on the field and could
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you know didn't have total control over
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whether a girl was caught or not he had
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total control over whether he did or
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didn't eat the pie yeah I don't know
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what to think I want it I want you to
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sort this out for me
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well it just sounds like a big pile of
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bullshit because what it sounds like
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because first of all this whole
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situation is hilarious so there's an
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element of why don't we all just calm
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the hell down everybody and second of
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all you're right like as soon as the
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betting market is created we're in
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action triggers a betting results it's
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like well it doesn't matter what he does
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heats of pi he doesn't need to PI he
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goes to the game he doesn't show up to
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the game like all all of this now
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affects bets one way or the other
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yeah so what's a guy supposed to do and
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I feel like this hero knew what he was
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supposed to do he did the funniest thing
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which is to eat a pie so yeah like you
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put a man in a no-win situation he does
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something funny hopefully he's a secret
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millionaire offshore in the Bahamas for
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his actions but he's caught up in in
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some PI gate scandal like this seems
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crazy to me is this feels like people
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are too upset about a thing and the
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guy's in a no-win situation and having
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him resign from from his position it's
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like makes me angry Brady that's how I
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feel about that yeah the odds were 8 to
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1 you could put an 8 to 1 bet on him
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eating a pie mm-hmm just for
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clarification I'm pretty sure I don't
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know this for sure but I'm pretty sure
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you couldn't place a bet on him not
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eating a pie like that wasn't a bet you
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could place I don't think but presumably
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the betting company that was setting the
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odds would make money if he didn't eat
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the pie because all the people who
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placed bets would lose their wager yeah
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exactly he could he could have been
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equally in trouble from people saying
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are you were in cahoots with the betting
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company you deliberately didn't eat the
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pie so they could keep all those wages
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and he'd get in trouble for that as well
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in action causes and effects anyway
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right so god it's yeah this feels
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ridiculous to me and look maybe the man
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just want to eat a pie right well he was
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hungry he insisted afterwards that none
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of his friends had profited from the
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stunt and he only consumed a snack for
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quote a bit of banter as they love to
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say in the UK sure said this was a quote
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from him immediately after the game a
01:51:28
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few of the lads said to me early on
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what's going on with 8 to 1 about eating
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a pie and I said I don't know I've eaten
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nothing all day so I might give it a go
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later on I thought it would give them a
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bit of banter but the FA and gambling
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Commission failed to see the funny side
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and launched investigations the
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integrity in sport is not a joke
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said Richard Watson enforcement and
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intelligence director at the gambling
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Commission no hope this sounds like a
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fun guy great um a sort of related thing
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is I just I don't understand a lot of
01:51:56
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laws around like gambling and investing
01:52:00
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it's just sometimes they feel like laws
01:52:02
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that are kind of nannying laws like oh
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they're for your own good like oh you're
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not allowed to place bets or gamble
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regularly but you can do it with these
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various companies that we sanctioned
01:52:14
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like this this is a whole bunch of
01:52:15
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complications around the stuff that I
01:52:16
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just don't like anyway why shouldn't
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people be able to bet on whatever they
01:52:20
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want to bet on why is that wrong you
01:52:22
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know like if people want to set up a
01:52:23
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betting market for hello Internet like
01:52:25
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why would that be wrong about we know
01:52:26
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whether or not sports ball corner shows
01:52:28
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up in an episode what is wrong with
01:52:30
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people doing like a like a private wager
01:52:32
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on something like that I don't I don't
01:52:34
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well obviously the problem is it can be
01:52:36
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manipulated and cheated and if you and I
01:52:38
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found out about it and placed bets and
01:52:39
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then just cut sports poor corner so we
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could profit like that would be
01:52:43
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profitable it feels kind of wrong but
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like like I don't think this bet should
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have existed like you said it was like a
01:52:51
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no-win situation and there weren't two
01:52:52
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parties to the yeah you know what that's
01:52:55
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that that's actually a really good point
01:52:56
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because it's like the sanction cuz
01:52:58
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there's like these sanction companies in
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the UK that allowed the sports Spedding
01:53:01
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that I don't fully understand exactly
01:53:03
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how they work but in the UK you're
01:53:05
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allowed to bet on foreign elections like
01:53:08
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you can bet on the US presidential
01:53:10
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election results for example I'm just
01:53:12
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kind of vaguely wondering last time
01:53:13
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about the legality of
01:53:14
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so an American citizen you're not
01:53:16
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allowed to bet on the presidential
01:53:17
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election which seems like it's spoiling
01:53:19
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the fun but I just wanted like in an
01:53:21
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American citizen bet on a election while
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abroad like is that legally okay is that
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not legally okay I don't know whatever
01:53:27
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but nonetheless these companies exist
01:53:30
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that are allowed to create the bets that
01:53:33
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people can bet on and so it feels like
01:53:35
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well wait a minute yeah I think you're
01:53:37
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right Brady I feel like this this
01:53:38
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company is actually at fault because
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they're the ones that created this
01:53:42
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ridiculous bet like you got sanctioned
01:53:45
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to be the official holders of what can
01:53:47
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be better what cannot be bets and you
01:53:49
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messed it up by making this stupid pie
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bet your fault I think the company that
01:53:54
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made the pie bet they should resign from
01:53:57
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their ability to have the license for
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sports gambling that's what I think hmm
01:54:01
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shut him down I do see the problem with
01:54:03
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my liked to party
01:54:04
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comment earlier because obviously you
01:54:06
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could bet on whether Usain Bolt will run
01:54:08
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100 meters in under 10 seconds and he
01:54:11
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could affect that presumably
01:54:12
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without another party but like there are
01:54:16
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sanctions for that too but yeah it's
01:54:18
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difficult d gamble grade you ever bet on
01:54:20
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things when i gamble i gamble big so
01:54:23
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I'll buy lottery tickets but I find most
01:54:25
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gambling is too small stakes to be of
01:54:27
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interest to me when you said that I
01:54:29
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thought what do you buy like a thousand
01:54:31
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pounds with the fluttery tickets or
01:54:32
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something like this
01:54:34
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I does mean like the the payoff has to
01:54:37
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be really big in order for me to be
01:54:39
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interested in the gambling because
01:54:40
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otherwise it feels like oh I'm just
01:54:41
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putting money into a machine that is
01:54:43
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guaranteed to skim some money off the
01:54:45
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top and give it back to me obviously
01:54:47
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lottery tickets do the same thing but I
01:54:49
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feel like I'm happy to pay the skimming
01:54:51
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fee in order to get a potentially big
01:54:53
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reward so that's that's me go big or go
01:54:56
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home with gambling that's my rule have
01:54:58
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you bought lottery tickets lately
01:55:00
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because I know that in a your happiness
01:55:02
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barometer is it has been a long long
01:55:05
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time since I bought a lottery ticket so
01:55:07
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that's good I haven't bought a lottery
01:55:09
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ticket him probably a couple years
01:55:10
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actually oh that means you're happy
01:55:12
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basically since hello internet started
01:55:15
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yes that's right since hello internet
01:55:18
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started and I've I get to talk to you
01:55:21
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every two weeks my life has been filled
01:55:24
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with rainbows and happiness all the time
01:55:27
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I wonder if there's a
01:55:28
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market going on at the moment for Brady
01:55:30
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Haran versus Steve Allen I know where
01:55:33
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I'd place my bet
01:56:38
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are you still there
01:56:44
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not I thought you're being very
01:56:46
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unresponsive I'm calling you back and
01:56:51
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then I'll find out when you dropped out
01:56:54
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I'm just talking to myself now