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H.I. #85: Another Person I've Never Heard Of

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0:00:00all right here we go It's Showtime in

0:00:04kind of the feedback section I think two

0:00:06things have been burning a hole in my

0:00:08inbox and crashing the service at Reddit

0:00:11oh yeah and the first of those would be

0:00:14the continuing discussion about our use

0:00:16of the term ambulance drivers for people

0:00:18who drive ambulances whether they're

0:00:20paramedics whether they're ambulance

0:00:21drivers there are two things I've now

0:00:24learned and it's not really going to

0:00:25placate anyone the first is I now have a

0:00:28better understanding as to why

0:00:29paramedics were so upset by me

0:00:32describing someone who drives an

0:00:33ambulance as an ambulance driver and

0:00:35that is I think people in like the

0:00:37medical community like certain doctors

0:00:40or surgeons or people who think they're

0:00:42too cool for school use the term

0:00:45ambulance drivers as an insult for

0:00:47paramedics hmm it's like a way of

0:00:50belittling them it's like a nickname

0:00:51they give them to upset them so it's

0:00:53like a diddly brought wind up okay

0:00:56so saying look you he come the ambulance

0:00:58drivers is what you say when that the

0:01:00paramedics walk in the room so I can see

0:01:02why that would be upsetting on the other

0:01:04hand we've had a lot of feedback from

0:01:06people all around the world talking

0:01:08about various jurisdictions in which

0:01:11there are bespoke ambulance drivers

0:01:14there is a differentiation between

0:01:15people who drive ambulances and people

0:01:19who have the qualifications to actually

0:01:21tend to people in times of medical need

0:01:24so there are actually legitimate

0:01:26ambulance drivers who are not paramedics

0:01:28so that is a thing that exists cuz we

0:01:30were speculating about that last time

0:01:31like is that a thing very much so in

0:01:33certain countries and in certain places

0:01:35in other places it's not so much but

0:01:37that definitely is a thing that is

0:01:39interesting is very interesting I didn't

0:01:41come across that because I felt like at

0:01:43least from the feedback that I saw on

0:01:45the reddit my takeaway from reading a

0:01:48bunch of that stuff was wow there's a

0:01:50lot of different degrees of what this

0:01:53means people were describing in wherever

0:01:55they worked how in terms of paramedics

0:01:58it's like there's five different levels

0:02:00of what the person is and what they're

0:02:02qualified for and so once again like

0:02:04with everything in the world I felt like

0:02:05our discussion on ambulance drivers

0:02:08stroke paramedics opens up a door to

0:02:11another infinite world

0:02:13of complexity and differentiation that

0:02:16people are involved in so I felt frankly

0:02:18overwhelmed with all of the detail and

0:02:20differentiation of what is a paramedic

0:02:23where in the world what exactly does

0:02:25their job entail and how do you become

0:02:28one of these people well if you found

0:02:30that overwhelming how did you feel about

0:02:32the feedback to the 51 star American

0:02:34flag suggestions well I mean first we

0:02:37must say that I don't know who did it

0:02:40but at one point your design suggestion

0:02:45for the 51 star flag was living on the

0:02:48Wikipedia page for future suggested

0:02:51versions of how the 51 star flag might

0:02:54look and I feel like that was barely

0:02:57Wikipedia vandalization at all I feel

0:02:59like that's a legitimate proposal for

0:03:01what could be a future 51 star flag

0:03:04design so I was very happy to see that

0:03:06make its way into the Wikipedia article

0:03:08yeah I mean that list was all about

0:03:10suggestions like from various people

0:03:12who'd suggested them my favorite thing

0:03:14there was a little caption that sort of

0:03:15described how design proposed by Brady

0:03:18Haran and executed by CGP grey like that

0:03:21sort of play to that whole image that

0:03:23I'd tried to create of me as like you

0:03:25know the grand visionary at the top and

0:03:27you is like the drone that just like

0:03:29makes the stuff I was basically the

0:03:31seamstress in this situation right

0:03:33that's that's what was occurring there

0:03:35ya know if that caption was perfect

0:03:37great work for whoever did that so I

0:03:39really enjoyed that but of course as

0:03:41soon as you start showing something like

0:03:43that to the internet everybody wanted to

0:03:45jump in with their own version of the 51

0:03:48star flag so we said we got a whole

0:03:50bunch of interesting ones that were sent

0:03:52along I tried to create a reddit thread

0:03:55to capture them all together because I

0:03:57always just loved seeing what people

0:03:59make with this kind of stuff so I'll put

0:04:02it in the show notes there's a link to a

0:04:04reddit discussion which has just a ton

0:04:07of the designs all together in one place

0:04:10let me send a few of them along to you

0:04:12right now Brady and see what you think

0:04:13these ones that have your endorsement or

0:04:16your condemnation I'm just passing along

0:04:19a few that caught my eye

0:04:20no comment of endorsements or anything

0:04:23there say the first one Gray has sent to

0:04:25me in the star section

0:04:27has 51 stars arranged into the shape of

0:04:30a star so it's like a star of stars and

0:04:32it's a little bit on the silly side oh

0:04:35you think that's silly oh you have more

0:04:37stuff to cover okay but I thought it's

0:04:39interesting to see that the 51 stars can

0:04:41be arranged in a sense symmetrical

0:04:44because it's five ways is there a word

0:04:46for five way symmetry I feel like I

0:04:48should know this fivefold symmetry that

0:04:50sounds good

0:04:50fivefold symmetry yeah I think you're

0:04:52right there I think you're right so that

0:04:54can be done it's not too bad there are a

0:04:57few other versions of people trying to

0:05:00arrange the stars in a somewhat orderly

0:05:03pattern or at least pleasing so this one

0:05:07you've sent in the star section has the

0:05:0951 stars and they kind of arranged in

0:05:11diagonal rows rather than the horizontal

0:05:13rows that we're familiar with on the

0:05:15current American flag and yeah it just

0:05:18doesn't quite look right does it no it

0:05:19doesn't quite look right those are two

0:05:21sort of somewhat serious designs yeah

0:05:24there's one that's a little bit jokey

0:05:25but I actually kind of like it so I'll

0:05:27send this next one along to you okay so

0:05:30in this one what they've done is they've

0:05:32taken sort of the top corner where the

0:05:35stars live and instead they've made it

0:05:36the whole left-hand side of the flag

0:05:39like a vertical bar going down the whole

0:05:42height of the flag and they've arranged

0:05:45the stars in there the left-hand sixth

0:05:47of the flag is a pile of stars and then

0:05:49we have stripes all emanating from that

0:05:52and do you know what it looks wrong

0:05:55obviously because I'm so used to the US

0:05:56flag but if that had been the u.s. flow

0:05:58from day one I could easily look at that

0:06:00and think oh yeah that's just how their

0:06:02flag works I can see how that kind of

0:06:03works yeah I like this one doing a

0:06:05vertical banner on the left-hand side it

0:06:08gives you enough space to arrange the 51

0:06:11in a somewhat pleasing way I think it

0:06:13looks good I think it looks good

0:06:14because I feel like the 51 stars there's

0:06:17just no good way to do it in the

0:06:21existing format and so it's like maybe

0:06:23this is time for America to think

0:06:25outside the box if the flag is going to

0:06:28change so we have a couple of other

0:06:29thinking outside the box Options here

0:06:31Brady okay what do we go he comes

0:06:34another one why do 51 stars when instead

0:06:38you could do 51 stripes

0:06:40right say having 51 straps on a flag

0:06:43results in the straps being so close

0:06:45together that it looks almost just like

0:06:47a big rectangle of pinkness yep 51 yeah

0:06:51horizontal stripes with no stars just

0:06:54stripes yeah no stars at all hmm this

0:06:56next one very different thought on how

0:06:58to arrange the 51 stars which I quite

0:07:01like say here we've got the blue section

0:07:04at the top and the 51 stars have been

0:07:06arranged to write out the number 51

0:07:09mm-hmm yeah I quite like that that's a

0:07:11good contender yeah also okay our star

0:07:14is necessary I think we have some other

0:07:16options okay someone has put the lettuce

0:07:20Li this is the Roman numeral version of

0:07:2351 stars right which i think is great of

0:07:27course we can also just talk about the

0:07:29way America prefers to view herself says

0:07:32someone has just put the number one

0:07:34hashtag in the blue area instead of

0:07:37stars at all yeah

0:07:38we're number one that's America it's we

0:07:41are we now that's let's just say with

0:07:45romera we're number one my great

0:07:46disappointment is now that you have

0:07:48declared yourself the official US flag

0:07:50seamstress of hello internet people

0:07:52shouldn't even need to design flags they

0:07:54should just write written descriptions

0:07:55to you and then you knock it up for them

0:07:57and you know quick 5-10 minutes I wish

0:08:00them the best of luck with getting

0:08:01results for that people know what's

0:08:03gonna happen they know the results I

0:08:04felt like you were at my beck and call

0:08:05in the last episode when I was having

0:08:07you do I was just like throwing ideas

0:08:09out there and you were tapping away

0:08:11churning them out you know Brady I like

0:08:13to make your dreams a reality

0:08:14so I was very happy to do that

0:08:16immediately thank you you suggest I make

0:08:19I say jump graces hi that's exactly

0:08:22right that's that's how this

0:08:23relationship works all right thank you

0:08:25bedding flag designers at that you

0:08:27certainly took over our subreddit every

0:08:29time I went to the hello Internet

0:08:30subreddit it was just like Star Spangled

0:08:33Banner everywhere yeah there are

0:08:34absolutely everywhere if you go to the

0:08:36reddit link in the show notes there are

0:08:38a whole lot more than just the ones that

0:08:41I posted to Brady while we were

0:08:43discussing it I think there's something

0:08:44like 80 different takes on the flag and

0:08:46some of them are hilarious so I highly

0:08:49recommend you go check that out and see

0:08:52alternate flag designs

0:08:54the Tim's and gray will compile a list

0:08:56of his 51 favorites I will not know that

0:08:59what that happened so Brady I am

0:09:02recently back from America

0:09:05you were there forever I thought you

0:09:07were never coming home I wasn't sure if

0:09:09I was ever coming home

0:09:10it wasn't intended to be that long I

0:09:12wonder if your your accents like

0:09:13American dup a bit more whenever I go to

0:09:15Australia people say I sound more

0:09:17Australian when I come home for the

0:09:18first few weeks do people say you sound

0:09:20more American when you come back you

0:09:22couldn't say I'm more American actually

0:09:23now I think about it do you think I

0:09:24sound super American that is not

0:09:25possible for me to sound more American

0:09:27well I don't think you sound like tinged

0:09:29by Britishness you do sound a bit tinged

0:09:31by Britishness though Brady yeah but

0:09:33when I go to Australia I recharge my

0:09:35Aussie Nostromo is that how it works

0:09:37you're running low on Oz eNOS and need

0:09:39to charge back up every once in a while

0:09:41it's not intentional it just happens

0:09:42hang out with all my Aussie friends and

0:09:44I get a bit more ocka ocka ocka is like

0:09:47a it's an Australian thing saying you

0:09:49sound Orko means you sound really Ozzy

0:09:50oh it's probably incredibly racist and

0:09:52I've just insulted a whole bunch of

0:09:54people knowing the way the internet

0:09:56works now but I'd better look it up if

0:09:59you sound augur sounds Australian I

0:10:01don't see what the problem would be

0:10:02because you're Australian and then you

0:10:03could say that okay it means a rough

0:10:05uncultivated Australian man so a bit

0:10:08more uncultivated is it's you know it's

0:10:10a bit more rough around the edges slang

0:10:12for a stereotypical Australian someone

0:10:14with a strong accent who enjoys beer

0:10:16barbecues Australian football v8 cars

0:10:18behave cards that's a long story long

0:10:22story of you and asking was trailing

0:10:24about that kind of car yeah okay don't

0:10:26stop me on Holden versus forward I'm a

0:10:28hardened man for those who wandering

0:10:30there oh okay there you go yes so I

0:10:35don't think I'm sounding more American

0:10:37having come back from America I don't

0:10:38think the night of the case I'm sounding

0:10:40just the regular way yeah but while I

0:10:42was in America hmm I saw a thing Brady

0:10:45that I've been dreading for a while

0:10:47because a little while ago there was a

0:10:52article talking about how uber is going

0:10:56to introduce the much requested much

0:11:00requested feature of tipping the drivers

0:11:04in their app

0:11:06saw this public relations thing that

0:11:09uber is finally allowing riders to do

0:11:13what they have long desired which is tip

0:11:15their drivers I have some suspicions

0:11:17about how much riders have actually

0:11:19wanted that versus how much the drivers

0:11:20want that but anyway I saw this thing I

0:11:24had hoped in my heart of hearts that

0:11:25maybe it wouldn't come to pass but sure

0:11:28enough while I was in New York for the

0:11:31first time I saw it I took an uber thing

0:11:35popped up on my screen and it said I had

0:11:38a tip for your driver with three buttons

0:11:41on the bottom and an option to add an

0:11:44even larger custom amount if you so want

0:11:47to and honestly I feel like my heart

0:11:49sank very deeply that day so great when

0:11:53I get an uber and I get out of the car I

0:11:55don't even look at my phone usually for

0:11:56a cup or two later and then I see like

0:11:59you know the opportunity to do the star

0:12:00rating and everything is that when it

0:12:02happens is that next time you look at

0:12:03your phone so the driver could be long

0:12:05gone

0:12:06when you make this decision it has for

0:12:08me shown up on the page where you would

0:12:12normally give the driver the star rating

0:12:15I'll send you a screenshots I'm the

0:12:17first driver that I had who's asking for

0:12:20the tip okay yeah but so when it bothers

0:12:21you to give them the star rating you now

0:12:24have this additional mental burden on

0:12:26that page to decide if you want to give

0:12:29them additional money on top of the

0:12:32money that you have given them for the

0:12:34commercial transaction the clear

0:12:35commercial transaction that has happened

0:12:38but you don't have to give a tip you do

0:12:39not have to give a tip it's not required

0:12:41I'm not overly worried about this as

0:12:44long as it's not like a face-to-face

0:12:45awkward situation I'm kind of like I've

0:12:49always said I'm not opposed to tipping

0:12:50it's just the awkwardness of the moment

0:12:52and not having the money or how to give

0:12:54it to them and that sort of thing mm-hmm

0:12:56I mean if I was honest about that and I

0:12:59think I was then I don't mind giving the

0:13:02tip after the fact depending on the

0:13:04level of service and how I feel about

0:13:05how it went as long as I can do it like

0:13:07in the comfort of my sofa two or three

0:13:09hours later I'm alright with that what

0:13:11are the scenarios under which you would

0:13:14tip an uber driver I can imagine if they

0:13:17say we would have a conversation and

0:13:19they gave me

0:13:20useful information you know oh hey I'm

0:13:23new to town where's a good place to eat

0:13:24and they suggested a really good

0:13:25restaurant or they gave me some local

0:13:28advice or I really enjoyed the

0:13:31conversation maybe if the car was

0:13:33exceptionally clean or maybe if they had

0:13:35a couple of little goodies in there like

0:13:36a lovely or something I could have I can

0:13:40imagine scenarios that's really cute if

0:13:43there's a lolly in the back for Brady

0:13:44you might just give you a tip yeah I've

0:13:47had Reba rides where it was something

0:13:48really memorable I once had an uber

0:13:50driver whose name he was from Ethiopia

0:13:52and his name was millionaire that was

0:13:54actually his first name and I said how

0:13:56can I take a picture of you and like you

0:13:58know social media playing around with it

0:13:59and he was a really good sport and let

0:14:01me do it so he's a guy I would happily

0:14:02have tipped you know five bucks cause he

0:14:04he was a good sport and played around so

0:14:07I can see these things happening that's

0:14:09very interesting well although I can see

0:14:10immediately from your answer that of

0:14:12course you have more scenarios under

0:14:14which you might tip the driver because

0:14:15you're interacting with the driver

0:14:16whereas I have been thinking this entire

0:14:18time like I can't even imagine why I

0:14:20would give an uber driver a tip because

0:14:22my ideal situation is I just we just get

0:14:25in the car and I never really speak to

0:14:26the driver and then I just get out yeah

0:14:28I guess with me there is far less room

0:14:30for the ability to give a tip in the

0:14:32first place well then don't give a tip

0:14:34but do they know can they penalize you

0:14:36can they look later on and see who

0:14:38tipped and then who didn't and affect

0:14:39your star rankings with that information

0:14:41I was always under the impression it

0:14:42would be pulled at the end of the day

0:14:44and they wouldn't know who didn't didn't

0:14:45tip yeah that's my understanding is that

0:14:47the drivers do not know this is the best

0:14:49way to handle it like if they're going

0:14:51to do it doing it this way like the

0:14:53drivers don't know you can just do it

0:14:55later this sort of fine for me there's

0:14:58something about it being here that I

0:15:00feel like it is sullied uber it has

0:15:01taken this like clear commercial

0:15:04transaction in my mind and has now moved

0:15:07it into the world of somewhat ambiguous

0:15:10interactions and transactions is the

0:15:13best version of this that it could

0:15:14possibly be but I'm still sad to see

0:15:17that it's there

0:15:18I'm not surprised it happened why do you

0:15:20say that well I don't know how much you

0:15:23follow the news no I do know how much

0:15:26Father's Day Parade is you don't want to

0:15:28know how much I follow the news but like

0:15:31there's been a lot of in the UK in

0:15:33particular but

0:15:34elsewhere there's been a lot of

0:15:35confrontation lately as sort of drivers

0:15:38start to not unionize but get to a point

0:15:41where they're starting to expect more

0:15:42rights and they want to be treated as

0:15:44employees and have that rights to

0:15:46holidays and things like that which

0:15:48again sort of goes against how uber has

0:15:50always pitched itself but this is the

0:15:51whole other debate that we shouldn't

0:15:52wade into and while that's been going on

0:15:55at the same time uber itself is bit of a

0:15:57wounded ball at the moment because of

0:15:58all the problems that its former boss

0:16:01had been getting himself into and the

0:16:03culture of the company so we've got a

0:16:04situation where the drivers are sort of

0:16:06on the ascendancy and starting to make

0:16:09noise and the company at the top is kind

0:16:11of in a perilous condition and weakened

0:16:14so if there was ever a time where the

0:16:16drivers we're gonna get their way and

0:16:18start clawing back things they want now

0:16:21is the time I think the question of

0:16:23whether or not bird drivers are

0:16:24employees like that feels like a perfect

0:16:25thing that we could just argue about for

0:16:27a little while it seems to me like well

0:16:28they're clearly not but that of course

0:16:31gets us straight to the whole question

0:16:32of like the app economy which is a very

0:16:34big different sort of thing

0:16:37at least that's interesting that that's

0:16:38why you feel like it's obvious that this

0:16:40is going to happen because ubers in

0:16:42trouble the drivers are collectivizing

0:16:45it sounds like in some sense sober wants

0:16:47to make them happy I guess I mean we've

0:16:49got a culture where some people are

0:16:50thinking drivers aren't being treated

0:16:52well the company is getting this

0:16:53increasing reputation for being mean

0:16:56mm-hmm

0:16:56like this is obviously a move that would

0:16:59placate that somewhat so very

0:17:01unsurprising so after I saw that driver

0:17:04I was like ah here we are like now that

0:17:07now this thing has arrived my immediate

0:17:09next ride in New York in uber when the

0:17:13screen came up to do the five star

0:17:15rating it said that this driver does not

0:17:18currently accept tips

0:17:20and you know what I thought Brady I want

0:17:23to give that man a tip I've never had

0:17:25that feeling ever like boy I really want

0:17:27to give someone a tip but when I saw

0:17:28this one guy who didn't accept tips I

0:17:30thought you were the only person maybe

0:17:32in the entire history of the service

0:17:33industry that I have felt like please I

0:17:35would love to give you a tip for your

0:17:38refusal to accept tips but of course he

0:17:40had long driven away that wasn't a

0:17:42possibility

0:17:43I couldn't hand him cash in the car

0:17:44because I didn't do the star rating

0:17:46until later I was hoping you're gonna

0:17:47say

0:17:48you flicked him a cheeky Benjie flicked

0:17:50him a cheeky Benji that's what I would

0:17:52do baby but yes that's like I wish there

0:17:56was some way that I could reward better

0:17:57the drivers who don't accept the tips

0:17:59and just tell who burr

0:18:01please don't ever show me that tip

0:18:02screen because there's not a situation

0:18:04that I'm ever gonna actually want to

0:18:05press those buttons it just makes me

0:18:07feel a little guilty now every time that

0:18:09the star rating comes up and I don't

0:18:11actually press the tip button fair

0:18:13enough

0:18:13that's what tips are social gilts will

0:18:15chop that up as a loss to gray in his

0:18:17ongoing battle to have everything in the

0:18:19world shaped to his liking it totally is

0:18:22Brady like that's you know you're saying

0:18:23that it's like a joke but I do feel like

0:18:25this is a battle that I live every day

0:18:26in many many different ways I'm not even

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0:20:31I've been doing a bit of traveling

0:20:33lately myself mm-hmm one of the places I

0:20:35went was the US as well I saw you at

0:20:37VidCon and lots of other people and well

0:20:40it was all good for us to catch up

0:20:41mm-hmm but one of the other things I did

0:20:43while I was there in Anaheim was I went

0:20:45to Disneyland for the first time in a

0:20:47long time I went with our very good

0:20:49friend Destin who had a great time

0:20:51together but the thing I were used for

0:20:53the first time was this so called

0:20:55Fast Pass which is the system at

0:20:58Disneyland that allows you to supposedly

0:21:00get on rides more easily more quickly

0:21:03and not spend all your day what I would

0:21:05call queueing what Americans might call

0:21:07standing in line yeah so you sent me a

0:21:09photo of you and Destin in Disney as I

0:21:12was making my way towards Anaheim and my

0:21:15first thought of course was oh my god

0:21:17you're a Disney in the height of the

0:21:20summer I can't imagine ever doing

0:21:22something like that and I sent you a

0:21:24message immediately like I hope to god

0:21:25you bought the Fast Pass or that

0:21:28whatever the heck it's called yeah there

0:21:30are additional ticketing system yeah

0:21:32because in my mind this is a thing which

0:21:35is almost like it feels anti fairness

0:21:41but my understanding of this is that

0:21:43it's an extra ticket that allows you to

0:21:45go on like an executive line that's just

0:21:48for the people who bought the Fast Pass

0:21:50and so then you can then get to the

0:21:52front of the line faster is that correct

0:21:55well you like me have that completely

0:22:00wrong it is nothing like that although I

0:22:02thought the same I thought I could use

0:22:04financial might to buy myself a golden

0:22:08ticket that would allow me to walk past

0:22:10everyone and get on the rides more

0:22:12quickly and I was willing to do that I

0:22:14was willing to sacrifice

0:22:15my hard-earned money to buy back time of

0:22:19course I was hopeful I could do that

0:22:21that's how life works isn't it we spend

0:22:22most of our life earning money so we can

0:22:24buy time correct this is not how it

0:22:26works

0:22:28it couldn't be further from it okay I

0:22:30don't know how to explain I'm going to

0:22:32attempt to explain it I haven't really

0:22:33thought about this that the logical way

0:22:35to explain to you how it works but I

0:22:36don't know whether I should just tell

0:22:38you what it looks like on the surface or

0:22:40what I later learned how it actually is

0:22:43working probably the best thing to do is

0:22:44tell you how it actually is working I'm

0:22:46wondering because I haven't been to

0:22:49Disney in a long time I've always

0:22:50thought like if I'm going to Disney I'm

0:22:52going in the offseason and I'm gonna buy

0:22:54a Fastpass

0:22:55there is no fast pass to buy alright so

0:22:57I have this all wrong I don't even

0:22:59understand what's occurring

0:23:00okay got it you have this all wrong and

0:23:02so did I and like this tonight when we

0:23:04were buying our tickets we're like how

0:23:05do we buy a first pass mister sounded

0:23:07like idiots I now realize we did sound

0:23:09like idiots and like the people were

0:23:11saying wait till you get inside oh yeah

0:23:14like you already know there's something

0:23:16ominously wrong like they're just wait

0:23:18till you get inside so wait till you get

0:23:19inside you idiots so what happens is you

0:23:24get a ticket to go into Disneyland it is

0:23:26important you keep that ticket because

0:23:27that ticket becomes very important and

0:23:29what happens is at any given ride there

0:23:33are two queues there were two lines

0:23:35there is what I will call the slow line

0:23:39which is for people without a fast bus

0:23:42okay there's the first pass line right

0:23:45now let's pretend it's the middle of the

0:23:48day now and there are lots of people in

0:23:50the park and there are lots of lines

0:23:51everywhere what you can do is you can

0:23:54join the slow line and you'll have a

0:23:57long wait let's say an hour and a half

0:24:00to get on the ride or what you can do is

0:24:04you can scan your ticket to get a fast

0:24:07pass for that particular ride and the

0:24:10first pass can be used later on in the

0:24:14day at a specified time so I would say

0:24:17you can come back at between 3 and 4

0:24:20o'clock this afternoon and join the fast

0:24:23pass line

0:24:24that's how it works and during that time

0:24:27you can then move around the park and

0:24:29join other slow lines but you can only

0:24:32have one fast pass at a time you have to

0:24:36be really strategic and it's linked to

0:24:38your ticket so you can't like go around

0:24:41all the rides and get a fast pass for

0:24:44every single ride and have your day

0:24:45planned out for the whole day that was

0:24:47my immediate thought is you just run in

0:24:49and grab all the fast passes no no no

0:24:51you've got to be really strategic and

0:24:53what I'm not talking about here is all

0:24:55the ways you can obviously check the

0:24:56system and I'm sure people in reddit an

0:24:58email will say Oh Brady you should have

0:24:59done this and you should have done that

0:25:00and this is how you change did you not

0:25:01go to Disneyland hacking com to figure

0:25:03out your Fastpass strategy so I'm

0:25:06talking about if you follow the rules

0:25:07now this becomes really difficult later

0:25:11in the day Destin and I learned because

0:25:14there are couple arise we wanted to go

0:25:16on and they were having like you know up

0:25:18to two hours in the slow line but the

0:25:21fast pass line was like three or four

0:25:23hours in the future and you're having to

0:25:26like do all this mental mathematics

0:25:28you're thinking do I use my fasteners

0:25:30for this ride and join the slow line for

0:25:33that one which says it will be two and a

0:25:35half hours adieu I joined the slow line

0:25:37for that one and get the fast pass for

0:25:39that one but I can't use my fast pass

0:25:41for that one for two hours after that

0:25:42and that means I'm not going to be able

0:25:44to get another and like it becomes

0:25:46really really difficult and once you've

0:25:48got a first pass you're locked in you

0:25:49can't like cancel it and say oh I made

0:25:52them oh really yeah it's really

0:25:54difficult and there's no like gold and

0:25:57tickets or anything it's just like you

0:25:59know it's always good to have a fast

0:26:00pass because as Destin was always saying

0:26:03it's good for us to have a fast pass

0:26:04doing the work for us while we're

0:26:05standing in slow lines I totally get

0:26:07that yeah it feels like you have a

0:26:08virtual robot standing in line for you

0:26:10yeah and the way I believe it works

0:26:12underneath the hood is Disney allocates

0:26:16say a thousand fast passes every hour

0:26:20for every ride so as people are chalking

0:26:24up all these fast passes say you want to

0:26:25go on the roller coaster right as people

0:26:29were talking at the first passes they're

0:26:31all disappearing so all the fast passes

0:26:33between one and two are gone all the

0:26:34fast passes between two and three ago

0:26:36and all the fast passes between three

0:26:37and four are gone

0:26:38so very quickly that time that you can

0:26:40use your first pass on the

0:26:41roller-coaster is blowing right ahead

0:26:43like into the evening right if you don't

0:26:46get your first pass early you know you

0:26:47could have four or five hours into it

0:26:49you can use this fast pass and for that

0:26:50four or five hours you're going to be

0:26:52stuck in slow lines all that time you

0:26:54can only stand in slow lines so it

0:26:57becomes a real difficult decision I'm

0:26:59sure there are apps on websites that

0:27:00help you make such decisions we were

0:27:03using the Disney app all the time but

0:27:04I'm immediately feeling like you need

0:27:06some kind of app to help you plan this

0:27:08out okay I have a question I have a

0:27:09question Brady hmm do you know ahead of

0:27:11time when the Fastpass ticket is going

0:27:15to be good for or is it a surprise no

0:27:18you know ahead of time there's like

0:27:19screens and things that's all advertised

0:27:21so so it's like at the moment if you

0:27:22scan yourself for a first pass your

0:27:24first pass will be valid between three

0:27:25and four you know that beforehand got it

0:27:28got it all right now question about the

0:27:30fast pass line mm-hmm how does it work

0:27:33at the actual front of the line are they

0:27:36just pulling everybody straight off of

0:27:38the fast pass line on to the ride or are

0:27:40they mixing them in or like how does

0:27:42that work I'm not exactly sure but there

0:27:44seems to be like a blending okay of the

0:27:47lines that is heavily favored towards

0:27:49the fast passes it's not like every fast

0:27:51pass person gets on and then the slow

0:27:52people get on because that wouldn't work

0:27:54there's like a blending heavily-favored

0:27:57towards the fast passes I don't know the

0:27:58exact numbers but it felt like a fast

0:28:00pass line is about twice as fast as a

0:28:03slow line huh I don't know how

0:28:06beneficial this actually is for anybody

0:28:08who's in the park how did you feel about

0:28:11it going through the day with the Fast

0:28:12Pass this is what happened we went in

0:28:15early at the start we were getting loads

0:28:18of rides in at fast passes didn't even

0:28:20matter like we were like oh let's go on

0:28:22the Star Wars ride and it was like 9:00

0:28:24in the morning and the Fastpass said

0:28:26thing if you get a fast pass now it will

0:28:27be valid between 9:00 and 10:00 so we

0:28:29would like we didn't even need to get a

0:28:31fast bus you just walk straight in so

0:28:33for the first few hours the fast passes

0:28:36if you got a fast pass it would be valid

0:28:38in half an hour's time maybe it likely

0:28:39to be 9:30 or if you get a fast pass you

0:28:42can use it at 10:00 so we'd be like oh

0:28:43great let's grab a fast pass quickly go

0:28:45and do that ride and then come back at

0:28:4710 and do this ride so at first it

0:28:49seemed brilliant but then as more and

0:28:51more people

0:28:52into the park oh the first pass has

0:28:54started evaporating and that our slots

0:28:56were moving further and further into the

0:28:58day it got to a point later in the day

0:29:00where they were these two rides we

0:29:01wanted to go on and one of them had a

0:29:03slow line that was like two to two and a

0:29:06half hours and the other one if we got a

0:29:10fast pass we'd be able to use that fast

0:29:11pass in about four hours time so we were

0:29:14like oh God so we got the fast pass and

0:29:17then we're like okay well we can't go on

0:29:18that ride for four hours now we'll burn

0:29:20through two and a half hours in a slow

0:29:21line to get on that ride so as the day

0:29:25goes on it becomes much less useful whoo

0:29:29the thing I wondered for people who are

0:29:31wandering or why don't you just go and

0:29:32get lots of fast passes that a you can

0:29:35only get one at a time because it's

0:29:36linked to your ticket and if someone

0:29:38else gets one for you like you could say

0:29:39to someone are can you just scan your

0:29:41ticket and get me a fast pass for the

0:29:43roller coaster when you use your first

0:29:45pass it's wedded to your ticket so they

0:29:47do make sure I haven't just like got a

0:29:49fistful of fast passes that you've got

0:29:51off other people supposedly I don't know

0:29:53how well that's police but that is how

0:29:54it's supposed to work so they are trying

0:29:57to stop people scamming system okay you

0:29:59know what I'm just thinking though it's

0:30:00like okay wait a second you can't buy a

0:30:02fast pass but could you when you're

0:30:04entering the park could you tell the

0:30:06attendants that you're buying the

0:30:07tickets from like I would like to buy

0:30:08ten tickets please yeah but you know

0:30:11what they marry your tickets to your IDs

0:30:12and all sorts they're always like like

0:30:16wait I think I've found a loophole here

0:30:17nope the thing I wondered was if someone

0:30:21is like a guest of Disneyland and Disney

0:30:23I want them to you know have the

0:30:24corporate VIP experience what do those

0:30:26people get there must be some golden

0:30:28ticket and although I figure out unless

0:30:30there are secret entrances I was unaware

0:30:32of I think the golden ticket is some

0:30:34kind of pass that just gets you into any

0:30:37Fast Pass line at any time yeah I'm

0:30:39gonna bet that that's the case so you're

0:30:40still gonna be waiting half an hour to

0:30:42an hour but that must be the golden

0:30:43ticket I know for a fact that Disney has

0:30:46like a VIP system that people can try to

0:30:49approach their way through and that they

0:30:51have some special thing and I would

0:30:53assume given your description of this

0:30:55system that yeah it's like a Fast Pass

0:30:56that's available at all times that would

0:30:58be my yeah yeah and there's like lots of

0:31:00places have this at the airlines have

0:31:02special tickets they give out that will

0:31:04essentially

0:31:06essentially be a ticket that will tell

0:31:07like the gate agent this person has to

0:31:09get on a plane and if you need to boot

0:31:10somebody off like you're gonna boot them

0:31:11off that's given out to super VIPs so I

0:31:15don't know like I can't articulate this

0:31:17but something about this fast pass

0:31:18system feels like a weird way in which

0:31:21people feel like they're winning

0:31:22something but I'm not actually sure they

0:31:24are not I agree with you like I said I

0:31:27think it's purely herd management it's

0:31:29just moving the cows around in a way

0:31:31that's not going to cause problems for

0:31:32Disneyland yeah that that's what's

0:31:34happening or maybe if I'm slightly more

0:31:37cynical about it it's constantly trying

0:31:40to give the guests more reasons to be

0:31:43hanging out at like the restaurants or

0:31:45places that you could pay and Disney

0:31:48like to make that an easier thing for

0:31:49people to do hmm

0:31:51so that they can feel like they're not

0:31:52wasting their time as much like they

0:31:54have the virtual robot waiting online

0:31:56for them hmm it's funny because it's

0:31:58like this conversation started out with

0:32:01my thought that there was something

0:32:02called a Fastpass that you could buy and

0:32:04gee I don't know how I feel about that

0:32:06but I feel like this system is somehow

0:32:09almost worse than just buying a VIP

0:32:11ticket I don't know is something about

0:32:13it that just feels like I don't quite

0:32:15like either because there's something

0:32:17democratic about oh we're all in an

0:32:19amusement park together and people just

0:32:21wait on lines and it's like an

0:32:23artificial environment so I don't know

0:32:26it's just it feels really weird and and

0:32:27there's something about it that I don't

0:32:30know almost adds like a layer of mental

0:32:32work on top of what you're doing like

0:32:34you have a thing to manage now while

0:32:37you're in the park as opposed to a more

0:32:38simpler task of you're just waiting on

0:32:41line or you're making a decision about

0:32:42how you want to spend your time versus

0:32:44your money I have to know though Brady

0:32:45these numbers that you're throwing out

0:32:47about being on line for an hour and a

0:32:48half or two hours are those real numbers

0:32:50or those exaggerated numbers please tell

0:32:52me there was one line for the cars ride

0:32:55that it felt like we were in that line

0:32:57for two or three hours

0:33:00I tell you what it would have driven me

0:33:02crazy except I hadn't seen Destin in

0:33:05person for about a year we were just

0:33:07like catching up so I enjoyed spending

0:33:08time with him but if it had been other

0:33:11circumstances it would have driven the

0:33:13absolutely crazy yeah I can totally

0:33:15leave that yes you have a great excuse

0:33:17to be able to spend a whole bunch of

0:33:18time with someone that you haven't

0:33:19actually seen in person for a long time

0:33:20so that mean yeah that makes it very

0:33:22fundamentally different but standing on

0:33:25line for two hours yeah do it's too much

0:33:28it's terrible the number of times I

0:33:30sounded like a grumpy old man and I said

0:33:32they just let too many people in this

0:33:33place right they're just greedy they

0:33:35would double the number of people in

0:33:37that place and they should be you think

0:33:38they're greedy yeah I think I'm just

0:33:41wondering because there'd be probably a

0:33:44pretty easy way to get half as many

0:33:45people in the park and that would be to

0:33:47double the ticket price hmm would you

0:33:51think that they're less greedy if they

0:33:52double the ticket price to get half as

0:33:54many people in or is that more greedy

0:33:56well that would be one way they could do

0:33:58it they could do it with price that

0:33:59would be a greedy way to do it or they

0:34:02could just sell this tickets no no you

0:34:05can't just sell us tickets that's

0:34:06madness no yet keep it affordable for

0:34:08like the common man they're not running

0:34:10a charity over there at Disney like that

0:34:12Mouse has got to eat Brady I don't think

0:34:14you understand well I have to say I'm

0:34:17very interested to hear how the Fast

0:34:19Pass works I think I feel like this is

0:34:20gonna be on my mind for a while you

0:34:23should go next time just go like us for

0:34:25research I don't know I keep thinking

0:34:26like there should be some kind of

0:34:28auction system here to work this out oh

0:34:30no I really thought that sounded I don't

0:34:33even mean in terms of like money I just

0:34:34mean like I know you may park credits or

0:34:37something everybody has a certain amount

0:34:40of park credits that they just get when

0:34:42they walk in if there's a ride that you

0:34:44really wanted to get to the front of

0:34:46like you could spend park credits to get

0:34:48on an additional line that would let you

0:34:50get to the front faster and then you

0:34:51could buy more Park credits from vending

0:34:53machines conveniently located around the

0:34:55park no no right now that's the terrible

0:34:57idea all of a sudden oh wait a minute no

0:34:59we've just made it a free-to-play game

0:35:00everything becomes this everything is

0:35:04gamified so great another little bit of

0:35:09travel I did and I don't want to brag

0:35:12are you sure but Mike

0:35:13this was a beautiful place I went to

0:35:15Santorini the Greek island whoa okay I

0:35:20had no idea that you did this seriously

0:35:22was one of the most beautiful places

0:35:23I've been Santorini it sounds beautiful

0:35:26it's a volcano crater that's a huge sort

0:35:30of lagoon in the middle opening out to

0:35:32the sea and it's got all these beautiful

0:35:34little white washed stone villages like

0:35:37all around the caldera of the volcano

0:35:39almost spilling down the cliffs into the

0:35:42sea it was gorgeous Wow

0:35:43mmm anyway I'll send you some pictures

0:35:45I'm looking at pictures online

0:35:46it looks like Mamma Mia that's what it

0:35:48looks like yeah I think Mamma Mia was

0:35:50filmed in here which is the town I

0:35:51stayed in oh okay well there we go so I

0:35:54won't bore you with all the things I did

0:35:57because it's pretty boring most there ii

0:35:58sat around looking at the view I did

0:36:00film a bunch of video so maybe we'll use

0:36:02that as the YouTube video for this

0:36:05particular episode of the podcast sounds

0:36:07good are you featured bravely swimming

0:36:09in any of these videos no no although I

0:36:12did swim out in the caldera but I'll

0:36:14come to that in a minute

0:36:15because that's part of what I do want to

0:36:16talk about there are two little things

0:36:17that happened I want to talk about the

0:36:19first is something I did that I've

0:36:21always been curious about and I'll ask

0:36:25if you've ever done it but I'd be

0:36:27willing to bet a considerable amount of

0:36:29Disney Land credits and that is I did

0:36:35that thing where you put your fate in

0:36:38like a tank of fish and they nibble your

0:36:40fate mm-hmm have you ever done that

0:36:43I have not done that now right actually

0:36:47I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to

0:36:48that I think you think I really I would

0:36:50find like oh I would never possibly do I

0:36:52would do that I wouldn't actually have a

0:36:53problem with that I just happen do you

0:36:55have not I've ever been in that

0:36:57situation but was it nice Brady the fish

0:36:59nibbles

0:37:00it was interesting right I supposedly

0:37:02they're like nibbling around dead skin

0:37:04and stuff and they've got a little bit

0:37:05of like anesthetic or something in their

0:37:07saliva then causes some sensation your

0:37:10face I don't I don't really know why it

0:37:12was good and how legit it was but we all

0:37:15did it I was there there was my wife and

0:37:17another couple and we all stuck effe in

0:37:19and the things that were interesting the

0:37:22first thing that was interesting was my

0:37:24wife was very apprehensive about and

0:37:26very stressed because

0:37:27is not a fan of like fish and sea

0:37:29creatures but yeah well I mean the sea

0:37:31is disgusting I'm with her on that one

0:37:32okay so when she put her feet in she was

0:37:35very tense and the fish sense that and

0:37:37the other three of us were having lots

0:37:39and lots of fish nibbling on our feet

0:37:41and the very few of the fish very near

0:37:43perfect and I was like saying to the

0:37:46people running the place Hey look my

0:37:47wife's not getting any fish nibbling

0:37:48what's your game and they were like is

0:37:50she really worried and stressed about

0:37:51this and um well actually she is and

0:37:53they were like yeah the fish no I don't

0:37:55know that sounds like an excuse for a

0:37:57defective fish as far as anything she's

0:37:59got a bad batch yeah exactly

0:38:01I'm sorry those are defective but the

0:38:03other thing was this little place where

0:38:04they were doing it it was really set up

0:38:06as bit of a tourist trap it was a lovely

0:38:08looking house you could see into her and

0:38:10everyone was going in to do it and

0:38:12obviously we were sucked in with the

0:38:14rest of them so lots of people were

0:38:15taking lots of pictures and making lots

0:38:17of videos and I will share one in the

0:38:19show notes and you can look at me with

0:38:20my feet in the fish tank and look at the

0:38:22video I deliberately didn't post it

0:38:24because I was saving it for the temps

0:38:26Wow so they can have the first look but

0:38:29it did make me wonder because we were

0:38:32all like you know hovering our phones

0:38:34over the tank taking these pictures so I

0:38:36said to the staff how often do people

0:38:38drop their phones in these fish tanks

0:38:40taking pictures and they just looked at

0:38:42me completely deadpan I said three or

0:38:45four a day

0:38:47three or four times a day people drop

0:38:50their phones into the fish tank taking

0:38:51pictures of fish nibbling their feet in

0:38:53this one tiny shot and the other thing I

0:38:57did ask was how often do people get in

0:38:59because like when people first put their

0:39:01feet in some people like freak out and

0:39:02start screaming and my attitude is like

0:39:05calm down they just little fish that

0:39:07seems like someone's being a bit of a

0:39:09drama llama there yeah I'm doing that

0:39:10like they just want the attention for

0:39:12screaming it's what they want well yeah

0:39:13maybe so I did say to them how many

0:39:16times a day do people pay their money

0:39:17put their feet in and say not take their

0:39:20feet out and leave or do not even put

0:39:22their feet in at all ten times a day at

0:39:25least people hand over their money and

0:39:27then won't put their feet in or take

0:39:28their feet straight out because they're

0:39:30scared of the fish but kind of related

0:39:33to phone dropping there was one other

0:39:36thing that happened and you might think

0:39:37this is like a boring brady story no

0:39:39because essentially it is a boring

0:39:41Brittany story I don't think any of your

0:39:42stories are boring really

0:39:43one other thing happened that really

0:39:45affected me oh yeah on one of the days

0:39:47we decided we would get it and we went

0:39:49on this boat trip and we hired this like

0:39:51posh catamaran that takes you out into

0:39:55the center of Santorini you watch the

0:39:58sunset and they take you out to the

0:40:00middle where the center of the volcano

0:40:02is and the water is volcanic they're

0:40:05like it's like as you swim in it like

0:40:06there are like hot patches because of

0:40:08all the springs and hotness underneath

0:40:10mm-hmm so I was like oh I want to swim

0:40:13in that so they're like okay like not

0:40:15everyone wants to swim in it but I was

0:40:17you know how does now else I wanted to

0:40:19jump in the volcano water of course so

0:40:21they were like well you bathers might

0:40:23get stained by the unusual water because

0:40:25it's very smelly and full of sulfur and

0:40:27I'm well I didn't care and they said and

0:40:29also you have to take off like any

0:40:31jewelry because that stuff might get

0:40:33affected and I'm okay whatever so I took

0:40:35my ring off and took my watch off and

0:40:36everything and then I put them in my cap

0:40:39and stuff and my sunnies and stuff and

0:40:40then jumped in the water had a swim very

0:40:43good fun and then when I got out I was

0:40:46like oh I want to do like a snapchat or

0:40:48like take a picture now you know I feel

0:40:51invincible when it comes to phone

0:40:52dropping I don't worry about having my

0:40:54phone at the edge of things too much

0:40:57because like I'm invincible I'm

0:40:59invincible so I went and grabbed my cap

0:41:02which had my phone in it and came and

0:41:04went to the very back of the boat where

0:41:06it like slopes down into the water and

0:41:07took my phone out of my cap and started

0:41:12doing a snap and suddenly I heard this

0:41:14ding ding ding and like I thought like

0:41:17the people running the boat had dropped

0:41:18like a tool like a screwdriver or like a

0:41:21it sounded like an allen key being

0:41:22dropped I wonder what that noise was by

0:41:24I ignored it and then my wife says Brady

0:41:27that was your wedding ring which I'd

0:41:31also put in my cap I'm like oh my

0:41:34goodness and like the back of the boat

0:41:36here was like you know sloped down

0:41:37deliberately so water can run off into

0:41:39the sea and stuff you know and I'm not

0:41:42and I tell you what I've never let my

0:41:45heart just sank and I looked down and

0:41:48perched the very very edge of the boat

0:41:52hanging into the sea hanging over was my

0:41:56ring it had rode to the edge of the boat

0:41:57and just stopped and it was hanging over

0:41:59the edge and like I just saw her and

0:42:02then in the corner of my eye like the

0:42:04guy who was like running the boat one of

0:42:06the boat helpers had seen it too and he

0:42:08started leaning towards it to pick it up

0:42:10and I just screamed stop don't touch it

0:42:14look I did because I didn't want anyone

0:42:16stuffing up and knocking it in yeah yeah

0:42:18exactly it's like if this is going in

0:42:19the water it's gotta be my fault you

0:42:21know I just I just tiptoed up to it cuz

0:42:23just touching it could have knocked her

0:42:24over the edge

0:42:24sinking into the water and I just gently

0:42:28reached and just got my finger in it and

0:42:30just dragged along the thing off the

0:42:32edge until it was safe and then picked

0:42:34up and put it on my finger and like I

0:42:36was like I just sat down and I said oh

0:42:39my god I can't believe that just

0:42:41happened I was like what would I have

0:42:43done like I can't believe it my wife was

0:42:45nervous we support another one I was

0:42:52like for like 10-15 minutes I just I

0:42:54just had to have a little sit-down

0:42:55she's a very practical woman now yeah

0:42:58yeah it was it was very sobering it was

0:43:01very scary oh man I think you have my

0:43:04sympathies with that one it's funny

0:43:05because when when my wife and I got

0:43:08married we intentionally took a moment

0:43:11to say to each other if you ever lose

0:43:14the wedding ring

0:43:15we're both agreeing now like it's not

0:43:17any kind of big deal exactly like you're

0:43:18like what you mean like an omen or

0:43:20something yeah it's like yeah you just

0:43:21lose a wedding ring you just lose it

0:43:23right I can yeah it's an object you can

0:43:25just lose it we'll just get another one

0:43:27it's totally fine

0:43:29and actually I am on I'm on my second

0:43:32wedding ring in the exact same style my

0:43:34wife just surprised me as a gift and got

0:43:36a second wedding ring because after

0:43:38after the fitted Rollins stuff from last

0:43:40year my regular wedding ring was

0:43:42actually a little too big on my hand and

0:43:43it was bothering me so she got me one

0:43:45slightly a size smaller so I don't have

0:43:47this feeling of like you need to hold on

0:43:49to the original item but even even I in

0:43:53that moment like I think I would react

0:43:55the exact same way that you do I think

0:43:57there's there's like an impossibility to

0:43:59not have a kind of gut reaction about

0:44:01like this thing is incredibly valuable

0:44:03and irreplaceable and it's like perched

0:44:05on the

0:44:06even if in my head I know like oh my

0:44:08wife and I we agree like we'll just get

0:44:09another one and at this point if I were

0:44:11to lose it it wouldn't even be my

0:44:13original wedding ring it's just like a

0:44:15little gut reaction that I think what I

0:44:16would find impossible not to do even

0:44:20with intentionally no no put it like not

0:44:24trying to like D sacred ties the objects

0:44:27so that you're avoiding a future

0:44:29disaster yeah like it's funny on the

0:44:33total opposite end of the spectrum my

0:44:36father-in-law has never removed his

0:44:40wedding ring after he put it on for the

0:44:43first time at his wedding Wow and I I

0:44:46feel like that is a kind of streak that

0:44:49I couldn't psychologically handle it's

0:44:51just like this streak then becomes like

0:44:53too long and too powerful and I whenever

0:44:56anything like that would ever happen in

0:44:59my life I feel like I would

0:45:00intentionally D streak or D say critize

0:45:02those kind of things like you can't turn

0:45:04this into a thing it's like it's very

0:45:06impressive that he's done that but every

0:45:07time it ever comes up in conversation I

0:45:09just start getting nervous for him right

0:45:12but it's like you're gonna have to take

0:45:13off his ring at some point I wonder if

0:45:15like in quiet moments if he ever like

0:45:17loosens and let pulls it down towards

0:45:19his fingers like oh love the void maybe

0:45:34that's the whole reason he keeps the

0:45:35street going is that it's an exciting

0:45:36thing to do every once in a while live

0:45:40dangerously

0:45:41oh but I'm glad I'm glad you got your

0:45:43wedding ring back and I'm glad that your

0:45:47invincibility in dropping objects is has

0:45:51stayed with you it continues like it

0:45:53continues and I know I'm jinxing myself

0:45:55here and also I did too a bit of a lie I

0:45:58am very paranoid holding my phone at the

0:46:00edge of boats and things like that and I

0:46:02am the guy who always says do i careful

0:46:03with your phone when you're under bridge

0:46:05love like I do hold it really carefully

0:46:06so I am a bit paranoid about the edge of

0:46:08boats so I was being super careful when

0:46:11I took my phone out of the cap and just

0:46:13completely forgot that I put my ring in

0:46:14there is your wedding ring in there

0:46:15because I never take my ring off either

0:46:17really like I very rarely take it off

0:46:20interesting I take my wedding ring off

0:46:21fairly regularly like when I go to the

0:46:23gym I take it off because it's

0:46:25uncomfortable when holding the bars but

0:46:27I'm always aware of trying to remember

0:46:29very consciously like it is in the gym

0:46:31locker like in your pants pong and like

0:46:33don't forget like having a mental place

0:46:35of holding it where it is and I also

0:46:38just I tend to play with it as well like

0:46:39I tend to take the ring off and just

0:46:41like move it around in my hand and then

0:46:42put it back on yeah so I feel like it's

0:46:44a small miracle that I haven't lost a

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0:48:22episode so gray this next one's gonna

0:48:26require a little bit of background and

0:48:28for people who follow me on twitter

0:48:31they'll probably already be quite aware

0:48:32of it and apologies for the who

0:48:34but it has been a bit of a distraction

0:48:36for me this week it shouldn't have been

0:48:37some reason I got sucked into a black

0:48:39hole I'm ashamed to have been sucked

0:48:41into and I want to tell you about it now

0:48:42yeah but you know what

0:48:43something like black holes get us all

0:48:46this stuff that you know that you

0:48:47shouldn't get sucked into but you know

0:48:48what every once in a while everyone gets

0:48:51suckered into something that they

0:48:52shouldn't so it's become a bit of a

0:48:53guilty play toy for me so let me tell

0:48:56you about it yes so first of all just by

0:48:59way of background so you're kind of in

0:49:01in the picture maybe a little bit of

0:49:03unnecessary background but it does help

0:49:04put things into context for a long time

0:49:08now there's this institution in the UK

0:49:10called the Radio Times I believe was

0:49:13started by it was certainly part of the

0:49:15BBC for a long time and I think it

0:49:17started as like a printed guide to radio

0:49:19listings so you knew what was on like a

0:49:22TV Guide for radio yeah exactly but what

0:49:25happened was it very quickly became the

0:49:27TV Guide for all of the UK as well it

0:49:30just kept the name Radio Times ok that's

0:49:32confusing yeah so forever in a day

0:49:35well back in the good old days before I

0:49:36was even in the UK I think having a copy

0:49:38of the Radio Times was pretty important

0:49:41because it was a good way to find out

0:49:42what was on TV and even to this day if

0:49:44my wife wants to know what's on TV shows

0:49:46sometimes say oh why don't you check the

0:49:47Radio Times website because obviously it

0:49:49evolved into a website now for obvious

0:49:53reasons this is not a business model

0:49:55that seems to have a strong future

0:49:57certainly printed copies even the

0:49:59website I think has limited value yeah I

0:50:01mean that the very concept of what's on

0:50:04TV now is I think a concept that is

0:50:07dying yeah the Radio Times very much

0:50:10evolved into like most of these TV

0:50:12guides also evolved into kind of like a

0:50:15magazine about news and what's happening

0:50:17in TV shows and what's happening on the

0:50:18radio so it's always got articles and

0:50:20things like that as well

0:50:21it's not just purely a function of TV

0:50:23Guide now a while ago now I'm pretty

0:50:27sure this is right if I'm wrong I'll

0:50:28take my beating later but the BBC sold

0:50:32the Radio Times they sold the brand I

0:50:34think they thought it wasn't really that

0:50:35valuable to them it still had a little

0:50:37bit of value to it so they sold it off

0:50:39so it's no longer a BBC commodity or

0:50:42asset it's just the Radio Times I'm not

0:50:45a follower of it but from the little bit

0:50:47I've looked

0:50:48this week I have the distinct impression

0:50:50it's gone a little bit trashy it's gone

0:50:53a little bit town market since the BBC

0:50:55offloaded it you can imagine in you know

0:50:58the fight to survive maybe there they're

0:51:00going a bit down market

0:51:01just my opinion apologies if I'm wrong

0:51:03so that's what the Radio Times is

0:51:06they've got this website a little bit

0:51:08trashy populist might be a nicer way to

0:51:10put it yeah it looks like they just have

0:51:12a bunch of news about celebrities like

0:51:14I'm just clicking around and it's like

0:51:16celebrity TV news stuff yeah so again a

0:51:22lot of this I have found out in

0:51:23retrospect but last year they had on

0:51:26their website they did some kind of

0:51:28popularity contest

0:51:29with different categories like who's

0:51:31your favorite actor who's your favorite

0:51:33TV star who's your favorite radio

0:51:35presenter and they did all this public

0:51:37online voting mm-hmm and I don't think

0:51:39you win anything in particular you're

0:51:41just like I think they call it like

0:51:42their champion their radio times

0:51:44champion or whatever and apparently it

0:51:46was quite popular last year so they've

0:51:48done it again this year and early in

0:51:50this year's contest it was brought to my

0:51:54attention and this is where the story

0:51:56starts for me and unbeknownst to you

0:51:59also starts for you because one of the

0:52:02categories they created this year

0:52:04instead of just having radio stars they

0:52:06seem to have radio and podcast mm-hmm

0:52:09they created some audio section it's not

0:52:12entirely clear what you're voting on or

0:52:15how one becomes the champion whether you

0:52:17are like you know I don't know if it's

0:52:20if you're good at your job or just

0:52:21popular or have a nice voice or whatever

0:52:25it is that doesn't seem to be specified

0:52:26it's just like a trashy contest online

0:52:30to drive lots of people to their website

0:52:32with pages with ads on it and get lots

0:52:35of clicks

0:52:35it's like clickbait isn't it and they're

0:52:38taking advantage of people's popularity

0:52:40these things happen now for reasons

0:52:44again unbeknownst to me how this

0:52:45happened you and I were lumped into this

0:52:47contest no it's not exactly clear to me

0:52:51how one becomes the champion I'm not

0:52:53sure if it was like for the person who

0:52:55like has the best voice or is the most

0:52:57entertaining or it's just a raw

0:52:59popularity contest which i think is what

0:53:01a kind of

0:53:02today well it says here that the radio

0:53:04and podcast champion is about who's got

0:53:07the velvet voice to claim the title well

0:53:10but it's actually just a popularity

0:53:12contest I did read that a velvet voice

0:53:14line and that did make me think Grey's

0:53:16demand but anyway let's talk about what

0:53:19happened obviously this is just like a

0:53:21clickbait click farm that we're all

0:53:24getting suckered into this is a machine

0:53:25to generate page views as well yes yes

0:53:28so all of this has happened unbeknownst

0:53:31to me it was drawn to my attention by a

0:53:34benign tweet where someone pointed it

0:53:37out that I clicked on and I landed on

0:53:38the page near the star of this

0:53:41competition now the way the competition

0:53:44is structured is the same in all the

0:53:45different categories but I'll just talk

0:53:46about the radio podcast category and

0:53:48what they seem to have done is created

0:53:51this huge list of audio personalities

0:53:55for lack of a better term because it's

0:53:56radio and podcast people all lumped

0:53:58together mm-hmm

0:53:59and I'm assuming it's very UK skewed

0:54:02mm-hmm because there's lots of British

0:54:04radio presenters in there lots of famous

0:54:06names from over the years and things

0:54:07like that and you and I obviously was in

0:54:10this list I don't know how on earth has

0:54:12happened but it happened well I mean I

0:54:14guess we're a UK podcast yeah but I

0:54:17don't know how the people at Radio Times

0:54:18knew about us and stuff like I would

0:54:20have thought we were a little bit

0:54:21obscure for them anyway we're there I do

0:54:24not think we would be a little bit

0:54:25obscure for the bit continue on all

0:54:27right so what happens is all of these

0:54:30people this massive list was broken into

0:54:32four groups Group a group B C and D like

0:54:36a World Cup or a sporting competition

0:54:38and apparently this division was done

0:54:41randomly you and I ended up in the same

0:54:44group we were in Group D well it was

0:54:47drawn to my attention myself and this

0:54:50other chap called Greg James who I've

0:54:52learned is like a very famous Radio One

0:54:55presenter in the UK BBC Radio 1 very

0:54:58popular with the young people he's like

0:55:00he's a big deal so him and I were like

0:55:03near the top and you were like 3rd or

0:55:054th or something but obviously there had

0:55:07not been many votes at this point

0:55:08because one or two votes here and there

0:55:10were dramatically changing the

0:55:13percentages of who got what right right

0:55:15and

0:55:15when I drew people was attention to this

0:55:17things changed rapidly and you

0:55:21absolutely skyrocketed to the top of the

0:55:24group D at one point you were like

0:55:26garnering 70% of the vote and myself in

0:55:30this chap called Greg James was sort of

0:55:32slugging it out for second place we were

0:55:34quite close I was encouraging people to

0:55:37actually vote for you because this is

0:55:39obviously a nonsense thing and sort of

0:55:42the the public recognition and like you

0:55:44winning a public vote like this would be

0:55:46so awkward that it would tickle me no

0:55:48end and be quite funny so I was quite

0:55:49happy to see you streaking away but yeah

0:55:51no I know I know exactly what you're up

0:55:53to here right like you're trying to put

0:55:54me in a difficult position if I were to

0:55:56win this thing I know I know what you're

0:55:57doing you're not doing me any favors

0:55:59yeah so anyway I thought this was very

0:56:01funny and you were running away in

0:56:03winning Group D and it got to the point

0:56:05where so many teams were involved and

0:56:07there was all this red a coordination

0:56:08going that I was even trying to

0:56:10manipulate the percentages and I was

0:56:11sort of saying let's try and get gray

0:56:13onto exactly you know two-thirds of the

0:56:15vote and things like that and for a

0:56:17while that was working but then you sort

0:56:19of came back a little bit but you ended

0:56:22up with over fifty percent of the vote

0:56:23in group day big big winner and I

0:56:26indulged this Greg James guy for second

0:56:28place no doubt because all the Tim's

0:56:30were playing around and this vote is the

0:56:33worst structured voting system in the

0:56:35history of voting because you can just

0:56:37vote multiple times you could just sit

0:56:39there and click some people are saying

0:56:41you can't vote twice in a minute on

0:56:43their browsers but other people they're

0:56:44just voting over and over again so the

0:56:47whole thing's a debacle yeah yeah

0:56:48there's no way that's true I have voted

0:56:50immediately after it's a debacle so

0:56:53anyway you won and I thought that was

0:56:56good and I actually hadn't really looked

0:56:57into what happened next and I assumed

0:56:59you would go off and then now compete

0:57:01with the winners of Group A B and C but

0:57:05we are nowhere near that stage yet

0:57:07because what it turns out what they then

0:57:09did to keep this clique farm running

0:57:12mm-hmm

0:57:12was the top eight people in each group

0:57:15then have this kind of head-to-head

0:57:18knockout contest so you're paired up

0:57:21with people now and there are these

0:57:22head-to-head battles so you were paired

0:57:25up with a woman called Jenny Murray

0:57:27who's the present

0:57:29of the woman's hour on BBC radio and

0:57:31that vote went along and you won that

0:57:34vote congratulations so you got to go

0:57:36through to the next stage I was paired

0:57:39up with someone very interesting I was

0:57:40paired up with a radio presenter called

0:57:44Chris Evans okay that's the name I know

0:57:45I know the name Chris Evans I don't know

0:57:47why but I know that name our American

0:57:49friends would know him because he

0:57:50presented top gear for a year just

0:57:52recently when the big top gear up he he

0:57:55was the guy that was brought in to try

0:57:56and save the show he's very very famous

0:57:58in the UK less famous elsewhere and

0:58:01funnily enough on that exact same day

0:58:03that I was paired up with him the BBC

0:58:06the big news story of the day in the UK

0:58:09was the BBC had been forced to release

0:58:10the salaries of all of their celebrities

0:58:13that earned over a hundred and fifty

0:58:14thousand pounds a year and Chris Evans

0:58:17came top of the list here and like

0:58:19something over 2 million pounds a year

0:58:21from the BBC so he was really really

0:58:23heavily in the news that day mm-hmm it

0:58:25was a big deal can you believe Chris

0:58:26Evans gets 2 million pounds of public

0:58:28money and all this sort of stuff and

0:58:30then the BBC were defending at saying

0:58:32look he hosts the most popular radio

0:58:34show on Europe's most popular radio

0:58:36station of course he's worth all this

0:58:38money and on the same day I was in this

0:58:40popularity contest with Chris Evans so

0:58:43this really amused me and most of my

0:58:47friends have no interest or don't even

0:58:50know about hello Internet so for me to

0:58:53be able to go on Facebook and say to my

0:58:54friend say look I'm in a popularity

0:58:56contest with Chris Evans who everyone

0:58:58knows that was like quite funny my

0:59:00friends were quite amused by that and lo

0:59:02and behold again thanks to the Tim's and

0:59:05probably thanks to the fact recipients

0:59:07was keeping a low media profile that day

0:59:08and was unlikely to tweet and ask all

0:59:11his fans to vote for him I don't see why

0:59:13but let's ignore that I won the vote

0:59:16like I I smashed Chris Evans so this was

0:59:19very amusing to me I think this allows

0:59:21you to officially put on your CV Brady

0:59:23Haran more popular than Chris F yes

0:59:25anyway so this was really funny and for

0:59:27me this was like my Wimbledon like Timmy

0:59:30I was like the journeyman tennis player

0:59:32in the early rounds of Wimbledon tennis

0:59:34tournament playing a high seed and

0:59:36winning and even though I don't win the

0:59:37tournament I was like a giant killer and

0:59:39I'd had my moment so anyway we went

0:59:41through to the next round

0:59:42I was paired up next time with my

0:59:45nemesis Greg James again this red here

0:59:48one presenter who I advised for second

0:59:50place with the first time around

0:59:52and I was like joking around on Twitter

0:59:53like saying I look at my nemesis but I

0:59:56didn't actually know that much about him

0:59:57to be honest like I knew he was like

0:59:59very popular

0:59:59very popular

1:00:00hello and that so I went to his

1:00:01Wikipedia page just to learn more about

1:00:02him and the Tim's had already beaten me

1:00:05there and in the part of Wikipedia page

1:00:07where it was like you write about that

1:00:09personal information it said his arch

1:00:11nemesis is Brady Haran the YouTube video

1:00:13creator and podcast he was officially

1:00:17vs. no I'm just like man I'm just

1:00:24laughing because it's like there's this

1:00:27virus there's like these minor pages of

1:00:30Wikipedia yeah I have seen editors that

1:00:32specifically reference like hello

1:00:34Internet vandalism reverted know what

1:00:37people are up to and again I would never

1:00:39encourage these hilarious edits on minor

1:00:42pages like it's not something that you

1:00:43should do with the Wikipedia but it's

1:00:45just like it just really I love the idea

1:00:47that this random person is enlisted as

1:00:49your heart anyway that was me and you

1:00:55were put up against this guy called

1:00:56Steve Allen who I have to admit again I

1:00:58wasn't familiar with but I learned is a

1:01:00very popular London talk show host and

1:01:04has been around for years and years and

1:01:06has won awards and you know good on him

1:01:08very big name in radio apparently okay

1:01:11I'll take your word for it

1:01:12hmm so you are winning against him and I

1:01:15was holding my own against Greg James

1:01:17and like the teams were getting involved

1:01:19and I saw coordination on reddit which

1:01:22led to the coining of two new terms both

1:01:25of which I quite like

1:01:26one is Tim work whom Tim's work together

1:01:29to make cently happen I like that that's

1:01:31great yeah and the other one was Tim

1:01:33Foley

1:01:36also a good one

1:01:38those are great words that's fantastic

1:01:41so there was a lot of Tim work and Tim

1:01:43foolery going around and I believe

1:01:44scripts and algorithms were being

1:01:46written to try and ballot stuff and help

1:01:49us out I mean hey the website says vote

1:01:51early vote often like forty one yeah so

1:01:54anyway I went on to win my vote against

1:01:57my nemesis Greg James and that was

1:01:59setting up the much-anticipated and

1:02:02talked about final in Group D against

1:02:04you and everyone was so curious about

1:02:06what would happen when you and I were

1:02:07placed head-to-head and I already had

1:02:09all my jokes and gags and things I was

1:02:11going to do ready it was going to be so

1:02:12much fun

1:02:13but Steve Allen supporters they got

1:02:17together on Facebook and elsewhere and

1:02:19they put in a really concerted effort

1:02:21and obviously you were oblivious to all

1:02:23this so you weren't trying to manipulate

1:02:24the process anyway well no I knew this

1:02:26thing was happening because you I'd seen

1:02:28it the day before get started but it was

1:02:30one of these things I quickly realized

1:02:32the last thing in the world that I want

1:02:33is to win this poll right so that's why

1:02:35I was like I'm gonna shut the hell up on

1:02:37Twitter like that's my strategy like I

1:02:40would I decided to close my mouth about

1:02:42this yeah well there were rumors

1:02:44abounded that you so didn't want to win

1:02:46that you were actually writing scripts

1:02:48and you were manipulating the vote in

1:02:49favor of Steve Allen I cannot comment on

1:02:52that well whatever the reason well Steve

1:02:57Allen came back and he won so that was

1:03:00the end of you I'm afraid you were

1:03:01knocked out yes thank you Steve Allen so

1:03:04to win Group D and this is going on at

1:03:07the moment I should point out for people

1:03:08listening so you're not going to get

1:03:09resolution in this podcast this is

1:03:11occurring live we're live podcasting

1:03:13about this so to win Group D it was me

1:03:16versus Steve Allen and like I have to

1:03:18say I didn't care about winning I didn't

1:03:21want to win I wanted you to win I wasn't

1:03:23competitive about it I wasn't too

1:03:25bothered I'd had my fun I had my moment

1:03:27with Chris Evans who was the only person

1:03:29in the list who was really really famous

1:03:30to me yeah and I'd beaten him so I felt

1:03:32like I'd had my fun and I had my moment

1:03:34and whatever happens happens

1:03:36yeah and I was keeping an eye on it from

1:03:38time to time because people were

1:03:39tweeting me and early on I was like a

1:03:42head and then Steve Allen was pegging me

1:03:44back and it was pretty much 50/50 and he

1:03:46seems to have these surges later that's

1:03:48what happened against you he had this

1:03:49late surge so I thought okay well he's

1:03:51gonna win he's obviously a big famous

1:03:53award-winning radio presenter and good

1:03:55luck to him but then someone pointed out

1:03:58to me a tweet that he had written and it

1:04:03kind of riled me up a little bit yeah so

1:04:05I came across this as well and I

1:04:09understand what you're sort of

1:04:11hesitating to say here because in like

1:04:14in this story I am totally with you it's

1:04:17like oh this has been like a funny thing

1:04:18but then Steve Allen tweets

1:04:21I'm through to the quarterfinals so we

1:04:25need to vote again on the

1:04:27Radio Times website it's another person

1:04:30I've never heard of please vote another

1:04:33person I've never heard of yet so this

1:04:35is referring to the both of us yeah as

1:04:39like it's somebody I've never heard of

1:04:42vote for me against this nobody that's

1:04:45what it sounds like it's kind of feels a

1:04:47bit that way doesn't know we're a couple

1:04:49of nobodies and go and vote for me a bit

1:04:51sort this out

1:04:52it totally does like always with tweets

1:04:54you know it's like you can't people are

1:04:56terrible at reading the thing the way

1:04:58someone means for it to be read yeah but

1:05:01when I came across this because now I'm

1:05:03in the position of I have nothing to

1:05:05worry about and it's you versus Steve

1:05:07Allen now in my mind this thing is

1:05:10totally switched because I feel like

1:05:12Steve Allen well guess what Steve Allen

1:05:15I don't know who the hell you are right

1:05:17but you you are not treating Brady with

1:05:22the respect he deserves and Dave and I

1:05:24want to see you crushed like I don't

1:05:27want to see Brady just win like I want

1:05:30to see you a crowned into the goddamn

1:05:33dust by a podcast with many many

1:05:37hundreds of thousands of followers right

1:05:40it's like somebody you've never heard of

1:05:42and what like you can't bother to type

1:05:44it into Google for two seconds to look

1:05:46up who dr. Brady Haran is like you can't

1:05:48figure this out you can't even look at

1:05:50this guy on Twitter who has way more

1:05:51Twitter followers than you like there's

1:05:53something about it which whether he

1:05:55intended or not like just comes off as

1:05:58incredibly dismissive and it's like it's

1:06:01because he's against you I feel really

1:06:03emotionally invested your victory over

1:06:06Steve Allen like I really do this guy

1:06:09I've never heard of but like I would

1:06:11never go on the internet and be like Oh

1:06:13Brady's got a beat some Rando I've never

1:06:15heard of just go vote right and in it

1:06:17like in a very

1:06:18assumptive way like something about it

1:06:20just drives me crazy and so like

1:06:21whatever you're gonna say I feel like I

1:06:24feel it ten times more than you do

1:06:26oh that's nice I tell you what gray he's

1:06:29heard of us now yeah I hope so

1:06:34so I don't know what's gonna happen I

1:06:36don't know whether Steve Allen is going

1:06:37to defeat the both of us well here's the

1:06:40thing I don't know what's going to

1:06:42happen I can simply say at this very

1:06:44moment I have just checked the results

1:06:46and so far we have managed to push you

1:06:48into an 81 percent victory over 19

1:06:52percent for Steve Allen so so far we're

1:06:55doing pretty well I don't know when this

1:06:57round finishes but he's got quite a lead

1:07:01to overcome at this point and I'm I'm

1:07:04still going to be promoting this on

1:07:06Twitter like I want to see that

1:07:07disparity get as high as it can get

1:07:10I'm kinda hoping he gets a bit sour

1:07:12grapes about if it happens that way but

1:07:13I don't know what's gonna happen but I

1:07:15don't know when it ends it ends in a

1:07:18couple of days actually so it's gonna be

1:07:20a long battle this one but you know what

1:07:22couple of days it gives us plenty of

1:07:23time to push that up even higher yeah

1:07:26like keep going and keep cut but like

1:07:29okay so I feel like I sort of jumped in

1:07:31over you here because of the intensity

1:07:33of my emotion over this pointless and

1:07:36poorly rigged popularity contests that

1:07:39is a fartist that is entirely to

1:07:41generate money for a lowbrow TV Guide

1:07:44right the whole thing is just comical

1:07:48but like what is life if we don't get

1:07:50ridiculously upset over things that

1:07:52don't matter right no fun at all that's

1:07:54what it is but so I feel like I jumped

1:07:56in on this how do you feel Brady how

1:07:58does that tweet make you feel do you

1:08:00know what not really riled but there are

1:08:03you know among my many vices two of them

1:08:06are people treating new media with

1:08:11disrespect like old media like TV and

1:08:14radio people treating online video and

1:08:16podcasts disrespectful yeah like it's

1:08:18the second-class citizen I feel like

1:08:21he's done that a little bit and the

1:08:22other problem I have is like I do get a

1:08:25bit competitive about games this is why

1:08:27I don't play games like those read on

1:08:29that because I'm a little bit

1:08:29competitive I'd managed to completely

1:08:31Park that I was like I don't care I

1:08:34still don't care about like what happens

1:08:36when it goes to group a and B and D you

1:08:38know those people

1:08:39there's some big famous people in there

1:08:40and I I hope they win like I don't care

1:08:43about winning but this one now

1:08:45like I've kind of got a little bit

1:08:47about and I'm like ah you know what now

1:08:50I do kind of want to win this one yeah

1:08:51I'm with you on that entirely yeah yeah

1:08:53and like if the other people in the

1:08:55other groups I'm sure they don't even

1:08:56care about this and I'm sure they're not

1:08:57kind of like tweek you know I'll look

1:08:59I'm against some nobody

1:09:00I don't even know what's happening and

1:09:02that's fine and you know they deserve to

1:09:03win because they're big famous popular

1:09:05people and this is just a popularity

1:09:06contest but this guy riled me a bit and

1:09:09so it has brought out a little bit of my

1:09:11competitive streak so I was saying to

1:09:13people come on you know help me out so

1:09:15when a big protective uncle gray weighed

1:09:16in and said let's crush this going to

1:09:18the grave I did feel like thanks man one

1:09:24of my favorite things I saw today a

1:09:25friend of ours Logan from who works for

1:09:28Ted ed and call me Ishmael

1:09:29of course he saw what was going on and

1:09:31he sent out a small message to some of

1:09:33his friends on slack and not only do I

1:09:35like that he was helping me out I also

1:09:37loved how he described the competition

1:09:39he wrote our pal Brady Haran from purely

1:09:41videos in hello internet etc has

1:09:43advanced to round four of the radio

1:09:45turns radio and quad cast Championships

1:09:47and then he wrote the contest is

1:09:49basically the Grammy Awards meets human

1:09:51of the year makes Twitter polls but

1:09:54bigger cast your vote here so I don't

1:10:01know what's gonna happen I don't know

1:10:02what's gonna happen but like I kind of

1:10:04wouldn't mind flying the flag for group

1:10:07D now just because of this but we'll see

1:10:09it's gonna be a long day and a half if

1:10:11we're gonna do it but I think we're

1:10:13gonna win but it's totally right that

1:10:15this does this does touch on this weird

1:10:18I don't even know how to put it but

1:10:20there is like this weird still dismissal

1:10:23stroke antagonism between old media like

1:10:27toward new media and particularly in the

1:10:30personalities and I don't know I feel

1:10:33like there's something that has really

1:10:34shifted here because I remember you and

1:10:37I a few years ago we used to have

1:10:39conversations about internet fame versus

1:10:42what I used to call real fame I was like

1:10:46oh there's real famous people and

1:10:48there's internet famous people yeah and

1:10:50while I do think that there are still

1:10:53important differences between those two

1:10:56levels and in terms of things like pure

1:10:59name wreck

1:11:01mission for example yeah I feel like

1:11:03with the with the changes that have

1:11:05happened over the past few years I feel

1:11:06like something has switched and now the

1:11:08now like internet fame feels more like

1:11:11the real Fame and old media or like

1:11:16movie or TV people they're famous in a

1:11:20way that is more widely recognizable but

1:11:23just somehow feels less real to me than

1:11:26internet fame I simply mean this in the

1:11:29way like when I think of the creators

1:11:30that I follow the people who are famous

1:11:32to me because I follow the work that

1:11:35they do

1:11:36yeah when I say it's more real I have

1:11:38this feeling like I have some better

1:11:40sense of who those people are and

1:11:44there's something that just feels very

1:11:47produced and artificial about old media

1:11:51creations and of course sometimes that's

1:11:53what you want like you want a movie to

1:11:54be an artificially created thing but I

1:11:57just I feel like there's something that

1:11:58has switched in my mind about these two

1:12:01things and I would never I would never

1:12:03use that phrase any more like real Fame

1:12:05to describe someone who is in movies

1:12:08it's just like internet fame now feels

1:12:11more real or it may be it's like it's

1:12:13more close is a better word to describe

1:12:16it I don't know it's just but it's like

1:12:19partly because I feel like the switch

1:12:20has happened in my mind I feel more

1:12:22riled when I see old media people be

1:12:25like casually dismissive of a thing and

1:12:29especially even like the incredibly

1:12:31broad audience of YouTube channels and

1:12:35podcasts it's it's like on the Internet

1:12:37you don't know who you're necessarily

1:12:39messing with when it's at like another

1:12:41internet creator because it's sometimes

1:12:43harder to find out like what our viewer

1:12:45listenership numbers so yeah it's just

1:12:47it just bothered me it really did bother

1:12:49me that tweeted riled me up well I've

1:12:51appreciated your support because I have

1:12:53no delusion that you that big popper

1:12:55weighing into the Twitter debate has

1:12:57certainly upped the ante someone I have

1:13:00to say though I don't entirely agree

1:13:01with what you said about the internet

1:13:03fame and I I don't think I'm completely

1:13:06on board with you like tell me what you

1:13:08mean well certainly going to this most

1:13:11recent VidCon because this was the first

1:13:13time I've been to VidCon since epoch

1:13:15oh god of course I feel my monster that

1:13:17it is yes I keep forgetting that this

1:13:19was your first VidCon yeah okay I went

1:13:21to like the second one when it was a bit

1:13:22more low-key but this was my first one

1:13:24where it was like yeah and certainly

1:13:26saying that like hysteria around teenage

1:13:29boy is being chased latter the Beatles

1:13:31was eye-opening for me and all this and

1:13:33all the screaming and stuff was

1:13:34something to behold yes don't think the

1:13:37world is a good way to put it yeah but I

1:13:39still feel like internet fame internet

1:13:43notoriety or whatever you want to call

1:13:44it is a step down like it is lower and

1:13:48it's fragmented across so many people

1:13:50now so it's diluted basically it's like

1:13:53more dilute Fame but what I think is

1:13:55happening is like you know the old radio

1:13:58presenters I think this is more like a

1:14:00backlash to because certainly the last

1:14:03six months or so podcasts have like

1:14:05exploded like it's just become massive

1:14:07now and radio people must be seeing this

1:14:10like they must be starting to think I

1:14:12hang on this is our Netflix this is our

1:14:14YouTube this is the thing that's gonna

1:14:15come and start hitting us hard exactly

1:14:18yeah so I imagine there's like a lot of

1:14:19hostility towards podcasts and I don't

1:14:23think like podcasters are going to

1:14:24become the new radio DJs because there's

1:14:27too many of us like there's too many of

1:14:28us to keep in your head like you're not

1:14:30going to become the old radio stars of

1:14:33the past but what's going to happen is

1:14:35the radio stars are just gonna like fade

1:14:36away you know the podcasts are gonna

1:14:39kill the radio star and people like this

1:14:43so you know I'm gonna sort of fade away

1:14:44and the recognition and the attention of

1:14:48people who consume audio is going to be

1:14:50just spread much much thinner I still

1:14:53don't think of you know people like you

1:14:55and I as like famous people we're just

1:14:59like you know people that are sharing a

1:15:01portion of this new way that people can

1:15:04give their attention there's many things

1:15:06in there but I couldn't help but look up

1:15:08what radio program Steve Allen hosts

1:15:11yeah and find what the listenership

1:15:13numbers are right and hello Internet has

1:15:17more listeners than his radio program

1:15:19does right it's just like it's an

1:15:21interesting thing just to see this

1:15:22immediate comparison and it's like yeah

1:15:25I agree with you that podcasts

1:15:28dilute radio the thing that's happening

1:15:32here is is like a lot of radio stuff has

1:15:36to be broader because you're trying to

1:15:40broadcast it to everybody in a country

1:15:43mmm like hello internet is not a podcast

1:15:46that I feel like oh is this podcast for

1:15:49everyone in the world like what but

1:15:50hello Internet make a great national

1:15:52broadcast like of course it wouldn't

1:15:54right it's not a thing that you would

1:15:56put on a national radio and be like hey

1:15:57guess what for an hour and a half we're

1:16:00gonna have these two guys talking about

1:16:03a trip to Greece and fish eating your

1:16:05feets right this is like it's just it's

1:16:07not something that you're going to do

1:16:08yeah but for the people who like it they

1:16:14really like it and I know like I feel

1:16:16that way about all the podcast and I

1:16:17listen to like I listen to all sorts of

1:16:19podcast none of which would make any

1:16:20kind of sense as a national broadcast

1:16:22but for the people who like those shows

1:16:25like they like them much more than they

1:16:27like something that's produced for

1:16:29everyone so I see that narrower content

1:16:34is almost always going to win out over

1:16:36something that is produced for a general

1:16:39audience and the thing that has just

1:16:41happened is I feel like podcasting has

1:16:43really gotten over some kind of hump

1:16:46where now it's easy enough for regular

1:16:48people to subscribe and listen to

1:16:50podcasts and so there's a big influx of

1:16:53audience who are finding the things that

1:16:56they really like that really suit their

1:16:59personality and their tastes and their

1:17:01sense of humor and is like yeah if I was

1:17:03working in radio of course I'd be

1:17:05worried because the listeners ship

1:17:08numbers that you have from something

1:17:10like radio it's just like traditional

1:17:12broadcast TV used to be but of course

1:17:14everybody used to watch a few shows

1:17:16because there was no choice whatsoever

1:17:18but in in the modern world like you have

1:17:21infinite amount of choice which means if

1:17:23you can find something that you like you

1:17:24probably really like that thing and you

1:17:27can fill your life up with a bunch of

1:17:29stuff that you really like as opposed to

1:17:31something that you just kind of like so

1:17:34yeah if I was radio I'd be worried I

1:17:36just went and looked at Steve Allen's

1:17:37Twitter and an hour ago he's just

1:17:39tweeted vote vote vote

1:17:42in capital letters I'm gonna retweet

1:17:46that to say I shared the sentiment

1:17:48retweet that I have to retweet that too

1:17:50yeah well none like him I'm gonna

1:17:52include the link to the place where you

1:17:54vote well yeah because you know how the

1:17:56internet works yeah of course all right

1:17:58where is he yeah there he is Steve Allen

1:18:01live update vote vote vote all right

1:18:04yeah let's do this

1:18:05let me add a comment yep what do you

1:18:09guys think so the same thing I'm gonna

1:18:12say couldn't agree more dr. Brady Haran

1:18:17for the wind exclamation mark did you

1:18:30put the link yeah yeah I'm free the link

1:18:32in there we go great all right great

1:18:45you've gotta stay on the ball who's

1:18:47working for me you gotta see this arena

1:18:48oh yeah man I am I am here 110 percent

1:18:52buddy I'm here for you until the bitter

1:18:55bitter end and it's a great day only

1:18:58four great day oh yeah yes I don't care

1:19:01after this round whatever right but this

1:19:03is like cuz I feel a little big I feel a

1:19:06little bit guilty about like the

1:19:07technological expertise of the Tim's

1:19:09don't feel guilty about it at all

1:19:11because as far as I'm concerned this is

1:19:12exactly what the Radio Times wanted they

1:19:14wanted a gigantic click machine they

1:19:16left all the doors wide open for every

1:19:18possible way that you could click so as

1:19:20far as I'm concerned Radio Times is

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1:21:35this show quick finish on 5,000 whoo

1:21:39I've been at the gym lately trying to

1:21:41get back on the horse again after

1:21:43falling off numerous times and I was

1:21:47having a discussion with my trainer the

1:21:48other day and it brought up something

1:21:50that I was curious to ask you and that

1:21:53is when you are doing like an exercise

1:21:56that involves counting like ten reps or

1:21:59twelve of them will do 20 of that do you

1:22:02count up or count down

1:22:08it's really interesting that you ask

1:22:10that Brady right because I have always

1:22:13counted up right but I have I don't know

1:22:18maybe a month ago I decided that that

1:22:21was the wrong way to do it yeah I should

1:22:23switch to counting down this seems like

1:22:27the better way to do it because it feels

1:22:30like more finality and more motivation

1:22:34to get to the end because then you're

1:22:36just keeping in your mind the number

1:22:38that's counting down you're not keeping

1:22:39in mind two things like counting up and

1:22:41the target that you're counting to you

1:22:42right you're a smart boy can you know

1:22:44hold that if not much information in

1:22:46your head it's not about that it's just

1:22:47about simplification it seems like this

1:22:49is the better way to do it it's not it's

1:22:51not of course Brady I can hold two

1:22:52pieces of information in my head at once

1:22:53but if I can hold just one piece of

1:22:56information in my head I would prefer to

1:22:58do that however I have found this is

1:23:03almost impossible to do

1:23:05I cannot mentally retrain myself to

1:23:09count down versus counting up like I

1:23:12keep mine constantly keep forgetting to

1:23:15do it or I find my internal count

1:23:19subroutine just wants to count up it

1:23:21just does is not designed to count in

1:23:24the opposite way so in my attempts to

1:23:26make something mentally simpler I have

1:23:29found that I have made it mentally

1:23:31impossible to do like I just cannot

1:23:33convince my brain to count down which

1:23:37way do you do it I definitely count up

1:23:40mm-hmm

1:23:41I prefer that too I haven't thought

1:23:43about the reasons but I'm gonna I'm

1:23:44about to speculate on it on the fly but

1:23:47I'm so into counting up that if my

1:23:49trainer counts down like towards the end

1:23:51like he used to go okay three two like

1:23:54so that's telling a philosophy I like

1:23:56tell him to stop I don't like it it just

1:23:58confuses me so he now knows not to speak

1:24:01he just says do do 10 silence no we talk

1:24:06a lot but just not to count mm-hm so

1:24:08like I count up and I don't like him to

1:24:11count with me event I think the reason I

1:24:14might like counting up is I like the

1:24:16idea that the thing I'm doing is growing

1:24:18like

1:24:19a bank account growing or your scholar's

1:24:22wallboard growing like the numbers

1:24:23getting bigger and I'm achieving

1:24:24something look look now I've done five

1:24:27now done six the numbers getting bigger

1:24:28that's how strong and powerful I must be

1:24:30whereas if the if the number was

1:24:32diminishing I'd feel like I was just

1:24:34like hmm that's all going away I think

1:24:37that's why the count up happens because

1:24:39at least in my experience when you first

1:24:41tried to do any kind of exercise and you

1:24:44realize oh my arms are weak noodley

1:24:47appendages that could be nothing it's

1:24:50like oh wow lifting a bar above my head

1:24:52once this feels like a great

1:24:53accomplishment and then being able to do

1:24:55it twice that's why you start counting

1:24:58up I think that's why I started counting

1:24:59up without even thinking about it is you

1:25:01want to mark all of those achievements

1:25:04yeah I just think further along in the

1:25:06exercise routine now that I can do like

1:25:09five sets of five of an exercise it

1:25:12feels like the counting down is is the

1:25:14more correct way to do it but yeah I

1:25:15totally get you want to mark your

1:25:17achievements especially in the beginning

1:25:20when you were making very poor progress

1:25:22yeah another thing we were talking about

1:25:26was how much people like to know like

1:25:30for example when some people doing like

1:25:32the planks and things are that way you

1:25:33time it some of his clients don't like

1:25:36to be told the time at all they just

1:25:37want to be told at the end all right

1:25:39stop you learn the linen weaved other

1:25:41ones like tonight okay it's 5 seconds 10

1:25:43seconds 15 seconds and another thing he

1:25:46said was some people don't want to know

1:25:49how much weights been put on the bar

1:25:50like he'll put the things on there and

1:25:51say okay we're gonna do 10 reps you know

1:25:53and he wouldn't even tell them what the

1:25:54weight is and other people are really

1:25:55into it they want to know exactly what

1:25:57they're lifting and hours at our counts

1:25:5945 is okay right I say what about you I

1:26:02imagine you you quite like the

1:26:04information I would imagine when I was

1:26:05working in a very limited way with my

1:26:08trainer I found all of these additional

1:26:10things I just didn't I didn't like I

1:26:12didn't like any of these extra exercises

1:26:14I felt like I'm here to do a very simple

1:26:16and very narrow thing so I want to make

1:26:19sure that I'm not hurting myself on the

1:26:21exercises that I'm doing yeah like my

1:26:23trainer was trying to sell me on a bunch

1:26:25of like hey let's do these routines

1:26:27because you know we want to complicate

1:26:30to profit and have you here all the time

1:26:32right

1:26:33me feeling like I want to extract

1:26:34knowledge from you and then be done with

1:26:36you right was was my my feeling of how

1:26:38this interaction should go I'll just say

1:26:41that I I felt very aware that on the

1:26:43times that my trainer was getting me to

1:26:45do like the routines that he wanted to

1:26:47do I felt like there were always like

1:26:49tricks being pulled like I don't think

1:26:50you're reporting the amount of time or

1:26:52weight accurately to me I think you're

1:26:54reporting it in a way that makes me feel

1:26:56better about what I'm accomplishing and

1:26:58I don't need any of these tricks I don't

1:27:00want to know that that's my feeling

1:27:02about it I think you're a little bit too

1:27:03distrustful there but yeah

1:27:05oh yeah you don't you don't think any

1:27:07trainers would pull tricks to make you

1:27:08feel better about cutting down the

1:27:10seconds a little bit so you feel like

1:27:11you accomplished something

1:27:12I think trainers would do that well

1:27:14maybe they do that they certainly try to

1:27:16boost your confidence and encourage you

1:27:17but I don't think that's like a bad

1:27:19thing but I mean yeah I guess I'd go to

1:27:23a trainer for a different reason to you

1:27:24I mean of course I could just go and do

1:27:25all the exercises myself but the problem

1:27:27is I won't do it unless I have like an

1:27:29appointment and someone making me do it

1:27:30for an hour a if I don't have an

1:27:32appointment I probably won't go and if I

1:27:34do go I'll just watch cricket on the TV

1:27:36and skive off after 15 minutes and get a

1:27:38Chinese on the way home basically think

1:27:43of there was this gym my parents old

1:27:46place in North Carolina that had a bagel

1:27:50shop in the gym right at the entry I

1:27:54used to wonder like I bet there's a a

1:27:57non-trivial number of people who say I'm

1:28:00going to the gym they go in they get a

1:28:02nice breakfast bagel and orange juice

1:28:04jump on it for a while and then just go

1:28:07home I bet that bagel shop tat up did a

1:28:09pretty good profit of people just

1:28:10turning around and feeling like well I

1:28:12tried I went to the gym I didn't make it

1:28:15inside of course but I made it to this

1:28:18suspiciously placed bagel shop which is

1:28:20right at the entry another thing I do is

1:28:23if I'm doing an exercise that's quite

1:28:24difficult and I know I'm gonna be really

1:28:26pushing it to get to the end like he

1:28:28says like I do 12 reps of this and it's

1:28:30something really heavy I will sometimes

1:28:32break it into two lots of six in my head

1:28:34I'll count up to six and then I'll do

1:28:36another six mm-hmm I guess it's just

1:28:38making things achievable yeah it's like

1:28:42any goal Brady you got to break it down

1:28:44into

1:28:45achieve Abul parts because 12:12 the

1:28:48number too big for any mortal but two

1:28:51sets of six that might just be

1:28:52accomplishable or another thing is that

1:28:54makes me realize how psychological it is

1:28:56is how often the number he sets is my

1:28:58breaking point

1:29:00like okay you have to do seven at this

1:29:02really high way and the seventh one is

1:29:04like oh well I couldn't have done eight

1:29:06it would have been physically impossible

1:29:07that was my absolute limit but if he'd

1:29:09said to do eight it would have been the

1:29:11same thing but your body just like knows

1:29:13the finish line and like just falls over

1:29:15the finish line each time yeah yeah I

1:29:17want to be clear to any any Tim's who

1:29:19are listening who want to get on the

1:29:21fitter Tron lifestyle even though I have

1:29:23a particularly weird relationship with

1:29:26my trainer that was also extremely

1:29:28temporary I am again the first to

1:29:30acknowledge that if you want to do this

1:29:32kind of stuff like I highly recommend

1:29:33that you get a trainer because I was

1:29:36super aware of that effect to that the

1:29:39number he would mention would be the

1:29:40breaking point but it would also very

1:29:44often be further than I I would have

1:29:46been able to do if it was just me in the

1:29:47gym if it was just me thinking like oh

1:29:50instead of doing five reps I'm gonna try

1:29:52to do seven like I would never have been

1:29:53able to do seven but when he says do

1:29:55seven there is also that effect of like

1:29:58you're with another person and you want

1:30:00to try to do the thing so it's like it

1:30:02is definitely way more effective to have

1:30:03the person there but yeah I also found

1:30:06that effect very noticeable and very

1:30:09funny that I could always just barely

1:30:12achieve the thing that the trainer had

1:30:14said and I don't think it's because

1:30:17trainers are preternatural and their

1:30:21ability to predict exactly what your

1:30:22breaking point is I think there's

1:30:24something psychological about pushing

1:30:26yourself toward a limit that another

1:30:29person has specified what's your finish

1:30:31on five thousand set up at the moment

1:30:32what are you doing oh man so okay so

1:30:37here's the thing here's the thing that I

1:30:38find a little depressing I've been in

1:30:40America for six weeks very very long

1:30:43time America as we know streets are

1:30:46paved with donuts mm-hmm but more than

1:30:49that one of the problems that I have

1:30:52with traveling is that okay so in my

1:30:55regular routine I use freeway

1:30:59to do like bench presses and squats and

1:31:01this kind of stuff like this again very

1:31:02very low weights like I'm not doing

1:31:04anything impressive but I have found for

1:31:07me those are the exercises that I stick

1:31:08with the most that also have the most

1:31:11obvious impact for the minimum amount of

1:31:14time that I can possibly put in don't

1:31:16say the weights are low gray I always

1:31:17think it makes you sound like an awesome

1:31:19gorilla when you say I had to first seek

1:31:20professional advice to make sure I

1:31:22wasn't hurting myself it makes it sound

1:31:23like you're pulling planes with your

1:31:25teeth and lifting up cars with your bare

1:31:27hands yeah but that's exactly why I want

1:31:29to specify two people the weights are

1:31:31low because when they see my noodley

1:31:33body in person it's like wait a minute I

1:31:35thought you lifted weights and like yes

1:31:36I do

1:31:36they're very sad oh I thought maybe you

1:31:38were gonna say yeah I'm saying the

1:31:39weights are low just for other people's

1:31:41safety when in fact I'm just lifting

1:31:42incredible amounts that would kill a

1:31:44normal human like it's almost like a

1:31:46public safety reason that you're saying

1:31:48you live low weights when in fact you

1:31:50are lifting cars I wish that was the

1:31:52case but so I build up the weight very

1:31:54slowly over time because I'm just there

1:31:56in the gym myself so I want to be

1:31:58cautious again about injuring myself and

1:32:00so like my progression is

1:32:01extraordinarily slow but then what

1:32:03happens is over the summer it's way

1:32:07harder to get access while traveling to

1:32:11the kind of equipment that I'm normally

1:32:13using and so for six weeks I've been

1:32:16trying to exercise using crappy gym

1:32:19equipment essentially and you know

1:32:22you're going to get the machines at best

1:32:24to try to replicate some of the

1:32:26exercises that you do and I felt like I

1:32:28thought over the summer I was doing a

1:32:31pretty good job of probably maintaining

1:32:34my level of strength using resistance

1:32:36machines but just just two days ago

1:32:40after having finally come back from

1:32:43America and getting into my regular gym

1:32:45and getting back to the regular

1:32:46equipment I discovered that I was

1:32:48basically starting again from zero

1:32:50because those machines in the gym that

1:32:54just do one motion if you just don't

1:32:56realize how much they're helping you in

1:33:01the way that you don't have to use all

1:33:03kinds of stabilizing muscles you don't

1:33:05have to use any other part of your body

1:33:08it's like oh I'm doing a bench press on

1:33:09this machine it's like I'm literally

1:33:11exercising too

1:33:12muscles exactly and nothing else what's

1:33:15the benefit of those machines then is it

1:33:17the fact that you can really target a

1:33:19muscle la la I think the benefit of

1:33:21those machines is that it's less likely

1:33:22that people are going to injure

1:33:23themselves in a gym and so the insurance

1:33:25costs are lower like I think okay if I

1:33:28had to wager something I would wager

1:33:29that's why they're there oh so if I went

1:33:32to a gym and all their head was free

1:33:34weights I would think what am I paying

1:33:35for just a whole bunch of lumps of metal

1:33:36right have you not spent anything you

1:33:41know what I would believe that I would

1:33:43believe that that's an effect that

1:33:44people want to see a bunch of equipment

1:33:46because I feel actually like I've even

1:33:49kind of fallen for that because again in

1:33:50America when I've gone into gyms I feel

1:33:53like I'm Way more impressed by the gyms

1:33:55that have like a ton of equipment hmm

1:33:57even though I'm trying to walk to the

1:33:59very back of the gym to find the one

1:34:01free weight area and I want to skip all

1:34:03the rest of it but I still feel like I'm

1:34:04psychologically influenced by the

1:34:06existence of all of those machines even

1:34:08though I don't necessarily think that

1:34:10they're super beneficial for me my

1:34:12feeling is like I'm a little bit

1:34:14disappointed because I thought strength

1:34:16wise I had done a much better job of

1:34:18maintaining but I'm essentially starting

1:34:21over again from zero with the actual

1:34:23free weights because this is like oh man

1:34:26I am dramatically overestimated where I

1:34:28could continue from and so I'm building

1:34:30it back up but I don't mind because

1:34:32again I feel like the travelling was

1:34:35necessary and just like we're always

1:34:37saying with the fit of Tron lifestyle I

1:34:39feel like it's all about just getting

1:34:41back on all the time like as long as you

1:34:43as long as you're willing to continually

1:34:45get back on that's what really matters

1:34:47as opposed to any absolute position at

1:34:49any point in time do you get affected by

1:34:52the presence and the makeup and the

1:34:55demographics and the number of other

1:34:56people who are in the gym when you go

1:34:58like will you go into the free weights

1:35:00section and if there's like a bunch of

1:35:01huge bodybuilders doing awesome things

1:35:03will you just like sneak away because

1:35:05you're a bit embarrassed to be noodle

1:35:07man or are you completely oblivious to

1:35:09who's there and what who's doing what my

1:35:11only care is how many people are in the

1:35:13gym in terms of can I get access to the

1:35:15equipment right so I have strategically

1:35:17figured out the times when the fewest

1:35:19people are in the gym and I arrange my

1:35:21whole schedule around that right because

1:35:23it's like an immovable externality in my

1:35:26life

1:35:26but the thing I found really interesting

1:35:28and again I want to specify to anybody

1:35:30who's thinking of going to the gym is I

1:35:32have found the super muscley guys

1:35:36nothing but the nicest guys in the world

1:35:38at least at least in my gym like it's

1:35:40not a lot of interaction but on

1:35:42occasions that I've had interactions

1:35:43it's always just like oh yeah they're

1:35:45super happy to see other people in the

1:35:47gym exercising like always very nice so

1:35:50I've never felt intimidated by any of

1:35:52those people if anything I always feel

1:35:53just super impressed because I have a

1:35:56much better sense now of how much work

1:36:01and effort that really represents in a

1:36:04way that I never had before I think I

1:36:08just have a much better sense for when I

1:36:09see a guy who's really built up his body

1:36:11it's like that is a lot of work two

1:36:14thumbs up to you dude fair enough

1:36:16are you intimidated by them Brady I am

1:36:18affected by how many people are in the

1:36:20gym and I don't like making a spectacle

1:36:23of myself so you don't throw the the

1:36:24weights down on the floor and you go

1:36:26hard as they make a big bashing sound

1:36:29yeah and also like even with my trainer

1:36:30he's now learnt like if I'm doing

1:36:33something that is likely to turn

1:36:35people's heads just because it involves

1:36:37eye catching motion or noise I want to

1:36:42do that like hidden away like if I'm

1:36:43doing something as simple as box jumps I

1:36:45don't want to do that out in the middle

1:36:47of the gym in a public area he knows I

1:36:49just don't like yeah that kind of stuff

1:36:51I would hate I would hate to do yeah I'm

1:36:53with there are certain exercises I won't

1:36:55do like I won't do like you know when

1:36:57you could hold weights at your side and

1:36:59you do lunges but you like walk across

1:37:02the gym oh yes no no I won't know that

1:37:04I'll do lunges on the spot but I'm not

1:37:06going to be that guy walking across the

1:37:08gym doing lunges like down the aisle in

1:37:10front of everyone and stuff I'm like no

1:37:11I don't want to be looked at I'm not

1:37:14quite sure I obviously I'm not a shy

1:37:15person but I don't know at the gym I

1:37:18don't like being a spectacle I just want

1:37:20to be in my corner do my stuff yeah yeah

1:37:22I'd veto a spectacle exercises as well

1:37:26can I just do a little bit of sports

1:37:28Ball corner so I just thought I'd sneak

1:37:33that in it's a question that immediately

1:37:37rolls into the start of sports ball

1:37:39corner

1:37:40it's really a question its but I of

1:37:44course Brady of course go ahead with

1:37:46sports ball corner because it starts

1:37:47with a little little sports spoke on a

1:37:50sequel that I thought you would

1:37:51appreciate ooh

1:37:52because we talked about this golfer who

1:37:55lost a big tournament because she had

1:37:57marked her bowl incorrectly on the green

1:38:00and put it back like a centimeter in the

1:38:02wrong place and she got this huge

1:38:04draconian penalty and it cost her an

1:38:06entire tournament and I thought that was

1:38:07really unfair right right

1:38:09as a result they actually changed some

1:38:12of the guidelines in golf to give people

1:38:14running tournaments a bit of discretion

1:38:16when that happens

1:38:17lo and behold there was another big

1:38:19tournament recently that was one there

1:38:22was the Irish Open this was a men's to

1:38:24on him at this time the exact same thing

1:38:26happened there was a slight miss placing

1:38:28of a bowl that was discovered very minor

1:38:30I don't it doesn't affect the results

1:38:32for my opinion and I think sanity

1:38:34prevailed and he wasn't penalized and he

1:38:37won the tournament okay he won the

1:38:39torn-up by six shots anyway but but

1:38:41anyway another golfer took to Twitter to

1:38:44complain about this you know what I

1:38:46could describe as a very gray like

1:38:47response that I thought you would

1:38:48appreciate

1:38:49Jimmy Walker replied to the European

1:38:52Golf Tour

1:38:53nice enforcement of the rules of golf

1:38:55and then he followed up with a second

1:38:58tweet saying if we don't have rules then

1:39:00we have nothing and that desmet of

1:39:03grayness to me I thought I thought you

1:39:06would appreciate that I do I mean the

1:39:08rules are civilization that's that's how

1:39:10everything holds together I agree with

1:39:11that but from your description it sounds

1:39:14like discretion was built into the rules

1:39:16so I'm not I'm not sure that this is a

1:39:18case where that's a violation how can

1:39:20you have like discretion in rules though

1:39:22like basically what's happening is you

1:39:24have now have flexible rows where it

1:39:25could be enforced or not enforced

1:39:27depending on a human decision don't get

1:39:29me wrong I don't like the discretion

1:39:31right like if I was in charge of any

1:39:32kind of sports body I would work to

1:39:34remove the discretion as much as

1:39:37possible in every step in every way but

1:39:39nonetheless what I'm what I'm saying is

1:39:42if the rules as currently written have a

1:39:45place where there is room for human

1:39:47discretion the players are operating

1:39:50within those rules yeah

1:39:52that is what is happening but there's a

1:39:54meta question here about should you have

1:39:56rules where there are human discretion

1:39:57and I think you end up having

1:40:00essentially human discretion results

1:40:02when there's no technological solution

1:40:04and so like before you have replay

1:40:06cameras you have to have umpires making

1:40:09decisions on the spot because otherwise

1:40:10the game would take a thousand hours to

1:40:12play out so then that's what I mean it's

1:40:15like I'm fine with it if it's written

1:40:17into the rules but on a meta level we

1:40:20should work overtime to reduce the human

1:40:22discretion in sports games because it's

1:40:25just like it it feels like ultimately a

1:40:27human discretion call has to have some

1:40:29element of unfairness because it depends

1:40:32on so many things happening at that

1:40:33exact instant I mean a statement from

1:40:36the people who make the rules of golf

1:40:38and oversee golf is quite telling but

1:40:40also could lead to problems it says

1:40:42players should not be held to the degree

1:40:45of precision that can sometimes be

1:40:47provided by video technology and like on

1:40:50the face of it that seems quite a

1:40:51reasonable statement you know no I don't

1:40:53ok I don't agree with that at all that

1:40:55reasonable in the slightest no no that's

1:40:57a rule that's rejecting the available

1:40:59technology I don't like that one tiny

1:41:00bit no but like basically the context of

1:41:03this is though it's not saying you know

1:41:05who crossed the line first in a race

1:41:08let's look at the video to know once and

1:41:09for all this is about things like

1:41:11replacing your bowl you know you pick up

1:41:12the ball and like wipe the grass off it

1:41:14can you put it back in the exact same

1:41:16spot that you picked it up from like a

1:41:18video will show actually it was half a

1:41:20millimeter to the left of where you just

1:41:22put it down players aren't robots they

1:41:23can't do that

1:41:24yeah ok physically can't do that I'll

1:41:26agree with that one that seems fair but

1:41:28here the technological limitation is the

1:41:30human eye right we're conceding that the

1:41:33resolution of the human eye and and

1:41:35memory for exact placement has limits

1:41:37so yeah I can go along with that that

1:41:39seems okay to me but then it does open

1:41:40this blurry line like ok how much can

1:41:43you be wrong by can you be wrong by 3

1:41:45millimeters can you be wrong by 5

1:41:47millimeters or can you just be wrong by

1:41:49whatever Jeff the rules man says on the

1:41:51day anyway what this is making me think

1:41:55of is I may have told this before but

1:41:57ages and ages ago when I was merely

1:41:59training to be a teacher there was this

1:42:02big list of boxes that we need to tick

1:42:04and I mean quite literally

1:42:06several hundred there was either like

1:42:08things you need to do to demonstrate

1:42:10evidence for your becoming a teacher

1:42:11mm-hmm and I'll never forget this

1:42:13conversation that I had with my advisor

1:42:15that essentially boiled down to I was

1:42:17like okay how many of these boxes do I

1:42:20need to tick

1:42:21she was says it would be great if you

1:42:23could take all of the boxes that's like

1:42:25okay yes I understand it would be great

1:42:27if I could take all of the boxes but

1:42:29what's the minimum number of boxes I

1:42:32could tick and you would still certify

1:42:34me as a teacher right it's like she she

1:42:36just would not give me an answer about

1:42:37that but it's like of course you want to

1:42:41know like what is the biggest boundary

1:42:43that I can push and yes I can

1:42:44immediately see that next year if the

1:42:47rule is the ball can be placed within

1:42:50the range of the human ability to

1:42:52determine what is the exact same spot I

1:42:55would be the guy who as a golfer who'd

1:42:57be saying the same thing like okay

1:42:59obviously I can't put it down the exact

1:43:01same spot but if I put it down a

1:43:03centimeter away is that still a good

1:43:05right and like they're not gonna want to

1:43:06say yeah

1:43:07whatever they're thinking in there and

1:43:09that would become the new norm Yeah

1:43:10right exactly it was like so I can move

1:43:12the ball a centimeter each time is that

1:43:14what you're saying and they're like no

1:43:15no you can't do it on purpose is like no

1:43:17of course not on purpose but like

1:43:19there's gotta be some number so it just

1:43:22it feels like the same situation again

1:43:23well great I enjoy your perspective on

1:43:26sporting controversies and incidents I'm

1:43:29glad you do there was one that came up

1:43:31earlier this year though I also I'm just

1:43:32dying to hear your opinion on and it

1:43:35happened so long ago that I thought I'd

1:43:37kind of missed my opportunity to ask you

1:43:38about it but it came up again in the

1:43:40news recently because of like ongoing

1:43:42action and it gives me a second bite of

1:43:44the cherry so I want to tell you about

1:43:46this other story that happened and just

1:43:48to get your perspective because it

1:43:49always illuminates me so what happened

1:43:54was at the start of this year there was

1:43:56a football match in the UK a soccer

1:43:58match and I won't go into the reasons

1:44:00why but there's one or two knockout

1:44:02tournaments in the UK we're really

1:44:05really lowly teams that bordering on

1:44:08amateur if not completely amateur get to

1:44:10play against the big professional teams

1:44:12in the early rounds and it's like it's

1:44:14always a big treat for them they hardly

1:44:16ever win if they win it becomes massive

1:44:17but it's always a big occasion Oh

1:44:20you know this lowly group of footballers

1:44:22who are plumbers and carpenters and that

1:44:24are playing against all the millionaire

1:44:26superstars this week can they beat them

1:44:28they normally get crushed sometimes

1:44:30sometimes they went really anyway it's

1:44:33always very romantic and the media gets

1:44:35very carried away with it when these

1:44:36random draws happen that allow this to

1:44:38happen happened this year at the start

1:44:40of the year this lowly team called

1:44:42Sutton United got to play against the

1:44:44millionaire superstars from Arsenal so

1:44:47there was all this there are all these

1:44:49profile pieces and media stories before

1:44:51the game about all the players for

1:44:53Sutton how they're all amateurs and how

1:44:55they're all these you know just normal

1:44:56chaps and they're getting to have their

1:44:57big day in the Sun and the thing the

1:45:00media really fell in love is was the

1:45:02fact that Sutton United's goalkeeping

1:45:05coach and also like their reserve

1:45:08goalkeeper in a way like if their

1:45:09goalkeeper got injured he was the guy

1:45:11that would come on in an emergency was

1:45:14this guy called Wayne Shaw and basically

1:45:17he seems like a nice guy

1:45:19but he's like very he's overweight he

1:45:23doesn't he doesn't look like a sportsman

1:45:25he's big he's a big fat guy and he's

1:45:27like a character of the club and I think

1:45:29he was also responsible for like you

1:45:30know cleaning the toilets or locking the

1:45:32gates and stuff you know he was like a

1:45:34salt of the earth important guy for the

1:45:37club that they all loved but he also

1:45:38happened to be their reserve goalkeeper

1:45:39in an emergency would he get to come on

1:45:42and play if there was an injury you get

1:45:44the picture but another thing that

1:45:47happens in the UK around sport is the

1:45:49betting markets the companies that take

1:45:52bets love creating publicity for

1:45:54themselves of course and one of them

1:45:57started a betting market on whether or

1:45:59not because this guy Wayne Shaw would be

1:46:01sitting on the bench for the whole game

1:46:02unless you had to play which was

1:46:04unlikely while he was sitting on the

1:46:06bench would this guy eat a pie a meat

1:46:09pie because like the thing you do at a

1:46:11football match if you're in the fan is

1:46:13you eat these small meat pies which I

1:46:15know I know they're not a big deal in

1:46:17America these sort of handheld sized

1:46:19pies full of mate but that's what you

1:46:21ate at a cold football game in England

1:46:23yeah only in a pie haha we'll give you

1:46:25these odds that he will or he might and

1:46:27they gave some ridiculous odds yeah I

1:46:28think just to be clear for the Americans

1:46:30like you need to understand that there's

1:46:31like a small handheld

1:46:33thing all right this is not like a like

1:46:35a cream pie or a big fruit pie now it's

1:46:37like yeah it's like a small half muffin

1:46:39it's a it's a very small thing but it's

1:46:41an unhealthy thing to it it's an

1:46:43unhealthy things eat and the word pie is

1:46:45just a funny word yeah and also pies are

1:46:48traditionally associated with like

1:46:50overweight people like yeah like a mean

1:46:53chart that people do is you know who ate

1:46:55all the pies who ate all the part as it

1:46:57was you because you're overweight so pie

1:46:59is that the stereotypical thing to say

1:47:00it if that person will eat so anyway

1:47:04towards the end of this game Arsenal won

1:47:06the game as expected the goalkeeping guy

1:47:09didn't have to come on because there was

1:47:11no injury so he set on the bench the

1:47:12whole game about 5-10 minutes before I

1:47:16can tell you eight minutes before the

1:47:17end of the game

1:47:18this guy Wayne sure eats of pie say sup

1:47:22someone passes in my pie is obviously

1:47:24going along with the joke and there's

1:47:25all these pictures and footage of him

1:47:27eating a pie and for like the first few

1:47:30hours it was really funny and it became

1:47:32the big funny story of the game because

1:47:34otherwise it was just a pretty boring

1:47:35game a big famous team beat a lowly

1:47:38little team but there's also a lot of

1:47:40like controversy around betting on sport

1:47:43literally in the UK and things being

1:47:45rigged like you know if someone said you

1:47:48know we're gonna win three nil and you

1:47:49rigged the game to win three nil that

1:47:51people could go to prison for that but

1:47:54should there be a scandal about a guy

1:47:57eating a pie like he knew this thing

1:47:59existed these bets existed when he made

1:48:02the decision to eat the pie he was like

1:48:04affecting the outcome and apparently

1:48:06some people won very large amounts of

1:48:08money because he ate the pie no I'm

1:48:09thinking I hope he bet on him eating a

1:48:12pie right like I want this guy to be a

1:48:14millionaire it would definitely be

1:48:16illegal for him to it would be illegal

1:48:18for him or people he was conspiring with

1:48:20to rig a betting market lada anyway who

1:48:23couldn't that's happen offshore like

1:48:24this I feel like there's a way to get

1:48:26this guy is pie money well you're quite

1:48:28right I think some people believe maybe

1:48:30he did conspire with people to make

1:48:31money I don't know but in the end he got

1:48:34in so much trouble from the football

1:48:36authorities he had to resign this guy

1:48:39that everyone at the club loves who

1:48:40paints the Lions and locks the gates and

1:48:42has loves the club with his heart and so

1:48:44he had to resign he's like being

1:48:47charged under football rules and he's in

1:48:49a whole bunch of trouble it's called pi

1:48:51gate it's this huge scandal that is like

1:48:54rolling on and I don't know what to

1:48:57think about it because if he didn't eat

1:48:58the pie he would have been affecting the

1:49:00marker as well once he knew this was

1:49:02happening he had sole control over

1:49:05whether he ate the pie or not it's not

1:49:07like he was out on the field and could

1:49:08you know didn't have total control over

1:49:10whether a girl was caught or not he had

1:49:12total control over whether he did or

1:49:14didn't eat the pie yeah I don't know

1:49:17what to think I want it I want you to

1:49:18sort this out for me

1:49:19well it just sounds like a big pile of

1:49:21bullshit because what it sounds like

1:49:22because first of all this whole

1:49:24situation is hilarious so there's an

1:49:26element of why don't we all just calm

1:49:28the hell down everybody and second of

1:49:30all you're right like as soon as the

1:49:32betting market is created we're in

1:49:35action triggers a betting results it's

1:49:38like well it doesn't matter what he does

1:49:40heats of pi he doesn't need to PI he

1:49:42goes to the game he doesn't show up to

1:49:44the game like all all of this now

1:49:46affects bets one way or the other

1:49:49yeah so what's a guy supposed to do and

1:49:51I feel like this hero knew what he was

1:49:53supposed to do he did the funniest thing

1:49:55which is to eat a pie so yeah like you

1:49:59put a man in a no-win situation he does

1:50:01something funny hopefully he's a secret

1:50:04millionaire offshore in the Bahamas for

1:50:07his actions but he's caught up in in

1:50:09some PI gate scandal like this seems

1:50:12crazy to me is this feels like people

1:50:14are too upset about a thing and the

1:50:17guy's in a no-win situation and having

1:50:20him resign from from his position it's

1:50:23like makes me angry Brady that's how I

1:50:26feel about that yeah the odds were 8 to

1:50:291 you could put an 8 to 1 bet on him

1:50:31eating a pie mm-hmm just for

1:50:33clarification I'm pretty sure I don't

1:50:34know this for sure but I'm pretty sure

1:50:36you couldn't place a bet on him not

1:50:38eating a pie like that wasn't a bet you

1:50:39could place I don't think but presumably

1:50:43the betting company that was setting the

1:50:46odds would make money if he didn't eat

1:50:48the pie because all the people who

1:50:50placed bets would lose their wager yeah

1:50:52exactly he could he could have been

1:50:53equally in trouble from people saying

1:50:54are you were in cahoots with the betting

1:50:56company you deliberately didn't eat the

1:50:58pie so they could keep all those wages

1:51:00and he'd get in trouble for that as well

1:51:02in action causes and effects anyway

1:51:05right so god it's yeah this feels

1:51:10ridiculous to me and look maybe the man

1:51:13just want to eat a pie right well he was

1:51:15hungry he insisted afterwards that none

1:51:18of his friends had profited from the

1:51:19stunt and he only consumed a snack for

1:51:21quote a bit of banter as they love to

1:51:24say in the UK sure said this was a quote

1:51:26from him immediately after the game a

1:51:28few of the lads said to me early on

1:51:30what's going on with 8 to 1 about eating

1:51:32a pie and I said I don't know I've eaten

1:51:34nothing all day so I might give it a go

1:51:36later on I thought it would give them a

1:51:38bit of banter but the FA and gambling

1:51:41Commission failed to see the funny side

1:51:42and launched investigations the

1:51:44integrity in sport is not a joke

1:51:46said Richard Watson enforcement and

1:51:48intelligence director at the gambling

1:51:50Commission no hope this sounds like a

1:51:51fun guy great um a sort of related thing

1:51:55is I just I don't understand a lot of

1:51:56laws around like gambling and investing

1:52:00it's just sometimes they feel like laws

1:52:02that are kind of nannying laws like oh

1:52:05they're for your own good like oh you're

1:52:07not allowed to place bets or gamble

1:52:10regularly but you can do it with these

1:52:12various companies that we sanctioned

1:52:14like this this is a whole bunch of

1:52:15complications around the stuff that I

1:52:16just don't like anyway why shouldn't

1:52:19people be able to bet on whatever they

1:52:20want to bet on why is that wrong you

1:52:22know like if people want to set up a

1:52:23betting market for hello Internet like

1:52:25why would that be wrong about we know

1:52:26whether or not sports ball corner shows

1:52:28up in an episode what is wrong with

1:52:30people doing like a like a private wager

1:52:32on something like that I don't I don't

1:52:33get it

1:52:34well obviously the problem is it can be

1:52:36manipulated and cheated and if you and I

1:52:38found out about it and placed bets and

1:52:39then just cut sports poor corner so we

1:52:41could profit like that would be

1:52:43profitable it feels kind of wrong but

1:52:46like like I don't think this bet should

1:52:49have existed like you said it was like a

1:52:51no-win situation and there weren't two

1:52:52parties to the yeah you know what that's

1:52:55that that's actually a really good point

1:52:56because it's like the sanction cuz

1:52:58there's like these sanction companies in

1:53:00the UK that allowed the sports Spedding

1:53:01that I don't fully understand exactly

1:53:03how they work but in the UK you're

1:53:05allowed to bet on foreign elections like

1:53:08you can bet on the US presidential

1:53:10election results for example I'm just

1:53:12kind of vaguely wondering last time

1:53:13about the legality of

1:53:14so an American citizen you're not

1:53:16allowed to bet on the presidential

1:53:17election which seems like it's spoiling

1:53:19the fun but I just wanted like in an

1:53:21American citizen bet on a election while

1:53:24abroad like is that legally okay is that

1:53:26not legally okay I don't know whatever

1:53:27but nonetheless these companies exist

1:53:30that are allowed to create the bets that

1:53:33people can bet on and so it feels like

1:53:35well wait a minute yeah I think you're

1:53:37right Brady I feel like this this

1:53:38company is actually at fault because

1:53:40they're the ones that created this

1:53:42ridiculous bet like you got sanctioned

1:53:45to be the official holders of what can

1:53:47be better what cannot be bets and you

1:53:49messed it up by making this stupid pie

1:53:51bet your fault I think the company that

1:53:54made the pie bet they should resign from

1:53:57their ability to have the license for

1:53:59sports gambling that's what I think hmm

1:54:01shut him down I do see the problem with

1:54:03my liked to party

1:54:04comment earlier because obviously you

1:54:06could bet on whether Usain Bolt will run

1:54:08100 meters in under 10 seconds and he

1:54:11could affect that presumably

1:54:12without another party but like there are

1:54:16sanctions for that too but yeah it's

1:54:18difficult d gamble grade you ever bet on

1:54:20things when i gamble i gamble big so

1:54:23I'll buy lottery tickets but I find most

1:54:25gambling is too small stakes to be of

1:54:27interest to me when you said that I

1:54:29thought what do you buy like a thousand

1:54:31pounds with the fluttery tickets or

1:54:32something like this

1:54:34I does mean like the the payoff has to

1:54:37be really big in order for me to be

1:54:39interested in the gambling because

1:54:40otherwise it feels like oh I'm just

1:54:41putting money into a machine that is

1:54:43guaranteed to skim some money off the

1:54:45top and give it back to me obviously

1:54:47lottery tickets do the same thing but I

1:54:49feel like I'm happy to pay the skimming

1:54:51fee in order to get a potentially big

1:54:53reward so that's that's me go big or go

1:54:56home with gambling that's my rule have

1:54:58you bought lottery tickets lately

1:55:00because I know that in a your happiness

1:55:02barometer is it has been a long long

1:55:05time since I bought a lottery ticket so

1:55:07that's good I haven't bought a lottery

1:55:09ticket him probably a couple years

1:55:10actually oh that means you're happy

1:55:12basically since hello internet started

1:55:15yes that's right since hello internet

1:55:18started and I've I get to talk to you

1:55:21every two weeks my life has been filled

1:55:24with rainbows and happiness all the time

1:55:27I wonder if there's a

1:55:28market going on at the moment for Brady

1:55:30Haran versus Steve Allen I know where

1:55:33I'd place my bet

1:56:38are you still there

1:56:44not I thought you're being very

1:56:46unresponsive I'm calling you back and

1:56:51then I'll find out when you dropped out

1:56:54I'm just talking to myself now