Hello Internet

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00:00:01 ◼   ► podcast dear podcast gods please forgive

00:00:04 ◼   ► the sins we've committed over the last

00:00:05 ◼   ► half-hour and let this episode actually

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00:00:12 ◼   ► it seems Brady that Trafalgar Square is

00:00:16 ◼   ► doubling down on their policy of no fun

00:00:19 ◼   ► big time I was there the other day

00:00:21 ◼   ► mm-hmm and you know how you're not

00:00:23 ◼   ► allowed on the lines and you said there

00:00:24 ◼   ► was like some guard right well now the

00:00:27 ◼   ► whole lion area at the bottom of

00:00:29 ◼   ► Nelson's column had like this like black

00:00:33 ◼   ► and yellow crime scene esque tape around

00:00:37 ◼   ► it so you couldn't even get to within

00:00:38 ◼   ► touching distance of the Lions yet alone

00:00:40 ◼   ► climb on them it was like all

00:00:41 ◼   ► quarantined there was no water in the

00:00:44 ◼   ► fountains so there was no fun to be had

00:00:47 ◼   ► in the fountains seriously it was crazy

00:00:49 ◼   ► it was the least fun place in all of the

00:00:53 ◼   ► UK except when you talked about

00:00:56 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square and you were dissing it

00:00:58 ◼   ► and you were quite right to be dissing

00:00:59 ◼   ► it you did leave out Nelson's column

00:01:01 ◼   ► itself which i think is one of the great

00:01:03 ◼   ► sites of London and that is still a

00:01:05 ◼   ► reason to go to Trafalgar Square and I

00:01:07 ◼   ► do still love that I guess but it

00:01:09 ◼   ► doesn't help that Nelson's column is now

00:01:11 ◼   ► in the center of this no fun zone

00:01:13 ◼   ► yeah and on one side you have Trafalgar

00:01:16 ◼   ► Square which used to be fun and on the

00:01:18 ◼   ► other side you just have a massive

00:01:20 ◼   ► traffic intersection yeah it needs a

00:01:23 ◼   ► reason to be a fun place to go but you

00:01:25 ◼   ► sent me this photograph of the square

00:01:28 ◼   ► crime scene off yeah it is hard to

00:01:31 ◼   ► express how enraged that made me because

00:01:36 ◼   ► the thing I was aware of when I was

00:01:38 ◼   ► there the first time and saw those signs

00:01:40 ◼   ► about don't climb on the Lions the thing

00:01:42 ◼   ► that a bunch of people were doing which

00:01:44 ◼   ► the guard seemed totally okay on is

00:01:46 ◼   ► there's two positions to photograph

00:01:48 ◼   ► yourself with the Lions at Trafalgar

00:01:50 ◼   ► Square

00:01:50 ◼   ► there is the risky one for the

00:01:53 ◼   ► adventurous types which is to climb up

00:01:55 ◼   ► on to the actual back of the lion and

00:01:57 ◼   ► get a photograph there yeah but lots of

00:02:00 ◼   ► families take a kind of classic

00:02:02 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square photo which is a dad

00:02:05 ◼   ► will raise up their kids onto the paws

00:02:09 ◼   ► of the lion so like there's this

00:02:10 ◼   ► relatively low area between

00:02:13 ◼   ► the two pause of each of the Lions and

00:02:15 ◼   ► every family loves to pack their kids in

00:02:18 ◼   ► between the paws and take photographs of

00:02:20 ◼   ► that it's a super cute photo right it's

00:02:21 ◼   ► great and it seemed like that was okay

00:02:24 ◼   ► with the guards they weren't stopping

00:02:25 ◼   ► anybody from doing that it was just

00:02:27 ◼   ► going on the backs of the Lions but now

00:02:29 ◼   ► like you said they've put this tape

00:02:31 ◼   ► around the whole thing so that you can't

00:02:34 ◼   ► touch the Lions you certainly can't put

00:02:36 ◼   ► people between the paws of the Lions

00:02:38 ◼   ► it's unbelievable again it makes me so

00:02:40 ◼   ► angry I could just I don't know it well

00:02:43 ◼   ► before you go off on one there are two

00:02:45 ◼   ► possible explanations for this that have

00:02:48 ◼   ► come to mind mm-hmm the first and the

00:02:51 ◼   ► one that I hope is true but is by far

00:02:53 ◼   ► the least likely is that in a hallow

00:02:56 ◼   ► internet wikipedia style lockdown moment

00:02:59 ◼   ► the sheer act of us talking about a

00:03:01 ◼   ► topic has caused such nuisance making by

00:03:04 ◼   ► tims that the authorities have had no

00:03:06 ◼   ► choice but to essentially lock down the

00:03:10 ◼   ► Lions which would amuse me no end but

00:03:12 ◼   ► clearly is not the case the second and

00:03:15 ◼   ► more likely scenario is that some kind

00:03:17 ◼   ► of work is going on some kind of

00:03:20 ◼   ► preparation maybe they were having to do

00:03:23 ◼   ► something to to concrete up above and

00:03:26 ◼   ► they didn't want things falling down

00:03:27 ◼   ► onto people from Lord Nelson or they

00:03:30 ◼   ► were prepping something I mean the fact

00:03:31 ◼   ► the fountains are empty as well tells me

00:03:33 ◼   ► that maybe they're doing though you know

00:03:35 ◼   ► once or twice a year

00:03:36 ◼   ► spring clean so I think the most likely

00:03:39 ◼   ► scenario is that this was a temporary

00:03:40 ◼   ► measure but nevertheless it would be fun

00:03:45 ◼   ► if it was it was like a Wikipedia style

00:03:47 ◼   ► page lock there and that would cause

00:03:49 ◼   ► again we would never promote Wikipedia

00:03:52 ◼   ► vandalism that's the wrong thing to do

00:03:54 ◼   ► and of course we never promote social

00:03:57 ◼   ► disobedience on this podcast that would

00:04:00 ◼   ► be wrong to do to promote people to go

00:04:02 ◼   ► and sit on the backs of the Lions to

00:04:03 ◼   ► retweet people doing that kind of thing

00:04:05 ◼   ► that would be wrong on many levels but

00:04:07 ◼   ► neither of us would ever do such a thing

00:04:08 ◼   ► and as we've said that the perfect storm

00:04:10 ◼   ► of the two is to go into the Wikipedia

00:04:13 ◼   ► page for Trafalgar Square and fill it

00:04:15 ◼   ► with photos of a city on the line yeah

00:04:18 ◼   ► we would never encourage that but I'm

00:04:21 ◼   ► always suspicious about this because my

00:04:23 ◼   ► personal experience with

00:04:26 ◼   ► bureaucracies and this kind of structure

00:04:29 ◼   ► is there's like a crank shift that only

00:04:31 ◼   ► turns in one direction and the direction

00:04:34 ◼   ► that it turns is more regulations more

00:04:37 ◼   ► rules and less fun and that it's

00:04:39 ◼   ► essentially impossible to turn that back

00:04:42 ◼   ► in the other direction and so yeah even

00:04:45 ◼   ► if this is for building works let's say

00:04:47 ◼   ► let's say is the best case scenario that

00:04:49 ◼   ► go we just want to polish up the liens

00:04:51 ◼   ► right and I can still imagine them

00:04:53 ◼   ► thinking after a little bit like hey you

00:04:55 ◼   ► know what this square is way easier to

00:04:57 ◼   ► manage

00:04:58 ◼   ► once we wall off the whole central

00:05:00 ◼   ► column like now we don't have to worry

00:05:02 ◼   ► about anything and then some lawyer

00:05:04 ◼   ► would say hey you know what now you

00:05:06 ◼   ► don't have to worry about people

00:05:07 ◼   ► climbing up on Nelson's column not even

00:05:09 ◼   ► on the liens there's just like a

00:05:10 ◼   ► stair-step thing that you can climb up

00:05:11 ◼   ► on why don't we just leave it up it's

00:05:14 ◼   ► already been up for a couple of weeks

00:05:16 ◼   ► and everything's been fine so that

00:05:17 ◼   ► that's my fear it's like I can just feel

00:05:20 ◼   ► the machinery of desaturating the world

00:05:23 ◼   ► turning another tick yeah

00:05:27 ◼   ► that's my worry my favorite example of

00:05:29 ◼   ► fun being taken away because of safety

00:05:32 ◼   ► won't mean a tremendous amount to you

00:05:34 ◼   ► because you have no idea how the game of

00:05:37 ◼   ► Australian rules football works but you

00:05:39 ◼   ► know it's like an oblong like egg-shaped

00:05:41 ◼   ► bowl that people kick and catch and do

00:05:43 ◼   ► things like that with and it was a great

00:05:45 ◼   ► tradition at Australian rules football

00:05:47 ◼   ► games that at the end of the game when

00:05:49 ◼   ► the final siren went and after the

00:05:51 ◼   ► players had left the field they would

00:05:53 ◼   ► sound the siren again about five or ten

00:05:56 ◼   ► minutes later and everyone could run out

00:05:58 ◼   ► onto the field with the balls they'd

00:06:00 ◼   ► brought along themselves and like just

00:06:02 ◼   ► to run around on the field and kick the

00:06:03 ◼   ► ball and you could like try and kick for

00:06:05 ◼   ► the goals and pretend to be a hero and

00:06:07 ◼   ► kick the ball through the goals that

00:06:08 ◼   ► your heroes had just been doing wow that

00:06:10 ◼   ► sounds great it was great fun and you'd

00:06:11 ◼   ► have two or three thousand people all

00:06:13 ◼   ► over the field each having their own

00:06:15 ◼   ► little games kicking it back and forward

00:06:17 ◼   ► the probability of walking off that

00:06:19 ◼   ► field without getting hit in the face by

00:06:20 ◼   ► a football it was virtually zero of

00:06:23 ◼   ► course no guarantee that at least once

00:06:25 ◼   ► you would get hit by a ball you didn't

00:06:27 ◼   ► see coming because it was just like a

00:06:28 ◼   ► frenzy of balls in the air

00:06:29 ◼   ► but it was so much fun you know you'd

00:06:31 ◼   ► line up the girls and try and kick a

00:06:33 ◼   ► goal from an angle you just saw your

00:06:34 ◼   ► heroes doing it and then eventually so

00:06:36 ◼   ► many people were complaining about

00:06:38 ◼   ► getting hurt by getting hit by balls in

00:06:40 ◼   ► the head or like you know twisting their

00:06:42 ◼   ► ankle that eventually they banned it and

00:06:45 ◼   ► like it went away and it was one of the

00:06:46 ◼   ► great quaint traditions of Australian

00:06:48 ◼   ► sport that all the kids were allowed to

00:06:50 ◼   ► do this after a big professional game of

00:06:52 ◼   ► sport but gone now gone tour the

00:06:55 ◼   ► professionalism and health and safety

00:06:57 ◼   ► gone mad I tell you

00:06:58 ◼   ► it's not even health and safety gone mad

00:07:00 ◼   ► it's there's a certain kind of I think

00:07:03 ◼   ► undue weight that boredom and

00:07:08 ◼   ► seriousness and safety always have in

00:07:10 ◼   ► conversations because it ends up being

00:07:12 ◼   ► really hard to argue for the intangible

00:07:16 ◼   ► values like fun over the tangible thing

00:07:20 ◼   ► like someone could hurt themselves no

00:07:22 ◼   ► matter how small the probability of

00:07:24 ◼   ► someone could hurt themselves or a thing

00:07:26 ◼   ► could be dangerous is it's like I feel

00:07:28 ◼   ► like any possibility of that in all

00:07:31 ◼   ► conversations in organizations around

00:07:34 ◼   ► anything like it it's always biased

00:07:37 ◼   ► toward this direction that's why I find

00:07:40 ◼   ► it really frustrating you know now it's

00:07:42 ◼   ► a long time ago but I was always hugely

00:07:44 ◼   ► frustrated when I was a teacher to

00:07:45 ◼   ► discover how many of the things that I

00:07:47 ◼   ► thought were awesome cool fun things

00:07:48 ◼   ► that my teachers had done when I was a

00:07:50 ◼   ► kid in the science lab were totally off

00:07:53 ◼   ► limits Oh like we can't do any of that

00:07:55 ◼   ► like are you crazy you can't have a kid

00:07:57 ◼   ► touch a Van de Graaff generator what if

00:07:59 ◼   ► they have a heart condition we don't

00:08:00 ◼   ► know about it's like has this ever

00:08:02 ◼   ► happened in the history of ever that a

00:08:04 ◼   ► kids died from a heart attack from

00:08:05 ◼   ► touching a Van de Graaff generator and

00:08:06 ◼   ► they're like it could happen it's the

00:08:08 ◼   ► case of course it could happen but like

00:08:10 ◼   ► how we have to weigh these things

00:08:11 ◼   ► they're like mmm no it could happen

00:08:14 ◼   ► we're not gonna do that like only things

00:08:15 ◼   ► that are totally safe oh my god it

00:08:18 ◼   ► really bothers me I think that's why the

00:08:19 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square thing gets right at the

00:08:21 ◼   ► heart of me just to top it off I think

00:08:23 ◼   ► this is the funniest thing I have seen

00:08:25 ◼   ► which is related to Trafalgar Square

00:08:27 ◼   ► being the no fun zone just mere hours

00:08:30 ◼   ► ago on the hello internet subreddit

00:08:33 ◼   ► someone posted a video of themselves in

00:08:36 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square a couple of years ago

00:08:37 ◼   ► doing some juggling and the guards at

00:08:41 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square come over and tell him

00:08:42 ◼   ► the juggling

00:08:43 ◼   ► not allowed in Trafalgar Square it looks

00:08:45 ◼   ► like this guy was putting together one

00:08:46 ◼   ► of those videos where he's doing

00:08:48 ◼   ► juggling in various spots all over the

00:08:50 ◼   ► world he says in the description that

00:08:52 ◼   ► like he'd traveled to all of these

00:08:54 ◼   ► various places and there was only one

00:08:56 ◼   ► spot in the whole world where they told

00:08:58 ◼   ► him

00:08:59 ◼   ► oh sorry you're not allowed to juggle

00:09:00 ◼   ► and that was Trafalgar Square yeah I

00:09:02 ◼   ► mean to be fair that is also probably

00:09:04 ◼   ► one of the prime spot where like you

00:09:05 ◼   ► know professional jugglers try and bust

00:09:07 ◼   ► for twenty minutes and make a bit of

00:09:08 ◼   ► money if there was one place where I

00:09:10 ◼   ► thought you would get cracked down on

00:09:12 ◼   ► for juggling it actually would be

00:09:13 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square

00:09:14 ◼   ► that's like busker central isn't it and

00:09:17 ◼   ► they're like very fine-tuned to people

00:09:19 ◼   ► doing unauthorized busking they're

00:09:20 ◼   ► busking I can totally understand

00:09:22 ◼   ► well juggling is a busker classic as

00:09:24 ◼   ► well it's not busking if you don't have

00:09:25 ◼   ► a like a sad poppers hat in front of you

00:09:28 ◼   ► with some coins that you placed inside

00:09:29 ◼   ► of it to get the thing going they

00:09:31 ◼   ► clearly thought that's what he was

00:09:32 ◼   ► starting to do I need to watch the video

00:09:33 ◼   ► I don't get me wrong I like a good

00:09:35 ◼   ► juggle do you like a good juggle I'm a

00:09:36 ◼   ► very good juggler oh yeah

00:09:38 ◼   ► yeah how many balls can you juggle the

00:09:40 ◼   ► ones Brady well I'm not very good at

00:09:42 ◼   ► four but I'm very good at three and I

00:09:44 ◼   ► can do like behind my back and tricks

00:09:46 ◼   ► and under my legs and stuff well I look

00:09:48 ◼   ► forward to the brady juggling roadshow

00:09:50 ◼   ► i can't believe you haven't been

00:09:51 ◼   ► subjected to it yet to be honest you

00:09:53 ◼   ► know what I'm surprised I haven't been

00:09:55 ◼   ► subjected to it yet either but I have a

00:09:57 ◼   ► feeling like the next time we see each

00:09:58 ◼   ► other in person there's gonna be some

00:09:59 ◼   ► juggling if there's like middle kids

00:10:01 ◼   ► that are bored sometimes my wife will

00:10:03 ◼   ► say just do a bit of juggling for them

00:10:05 ◼   ► just to cheer them up and I'd like it's

00:10:06 ◼   ► them all excited to say that feels very

00:10:08 ◼   ► uncle Brady do you pull coins from

00:10:10 ◼   ► behind their ears as well do you do that

00:10:12 ◼   ► do you take their noses now I'm a bit

00:10:14 ◼   ► more like edgy than that I tell you what

00:10:18 ◼   ► a couple more things though coming back

00:10:20 ◼   ► to the Lions hmm because I was reading

00:10:22 ◼   ► about why they banned people going on

00:10:24 ◼   ► the Lions and I read quite a bit about

00:10:25 ◼   ► this and how they were like structural

00:10:27 ◼   ► problems they did like surveys of the

00:10:29 ◼   ► Lions and found that people were

00:10:30 ◼   ► starting to wear them away and stuff of

00:10:33 ◼   ► course yeah yeah but like fix them then

00:10:35 ◼   ► because this is part of the experience

00:10:37 ◼   ► it's like saying we're gonna ban people

00:10:39 ◼   ► from throwing coins into the Trevi

00:10:41 ◼   ► Fountain because occasionally coins hit

00:10:43 ◼   ► the stonework and cause little chips

00:10:45 ◼   ► right well yeah and the Trevi Fountain

00:10:48 ◼   ► is old and famous and important and

00:10:49 ◼   ► shouldn't be chipped but it's way more

00:10:51 ◼   ► important that you're there to throw

00:10:52 ◼   ► coins into it so this kind of damage and

00:10:56 ◼   ► wear and tear

00:10:56 ◼   ► is part of the story of the lines so if

00:11:00 ◼   ► they get worn away and you've got to

00:11:01 ◼   ► give one of them you know a bit of back

00:11:03 ◼   ► surgery or reinforce one or do some work

00:11:05 ◼   ► on them okay do the work but you've got

00:11:09 ◼   ► to take the hit you know I'm with you

00:11:11 ◼   ► 100% and I think this is another example

00:11:13 ◼   ► of where there's an easy argument to

00:11:16 ◼   ► make which like with the pigeons as well

00:11:18 ◼   ► it's like you can put a number on how

00:11:20 ◼   ► much damage does pigeon poo cause in

00:11:22 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square every year in terms of

00:11:24 ◼   ► dollars right you can say like it costs

00:11:25 ◼   ► us X amount to clean this thing every

00:11:27 ◼   ► year you can also say oh the Lions if we

00:11:30 ◼   ► need to strengthen up the backs every

00:11:32 ◼   ► decade it's gonna cost us X amount and

00:11:34 ◼   ► like that is a real clear bureaucratic

00:11:36 ◼   ► argument but what it just feel like is

00:11:39 ◼   ► the intangible thing on the other side

00:11:40 ◼   ► is but you know this is why people come

00:11:43 ◼   ► here if you have to have touristy

00:11:46 ◼   ► interesting things for people to do and

00:11:49 ◼   ► if you continually crank this dial of

00:11:52 ◼   ► having more and more of them more and

00:11:55 ◼   ► more off limits like what is the point

00:11:56 ◼   ► of all of this it's like yes I'm sure it

00:11:59 ◼   ► costs a lot of money to clean up all the

00:12:00 ◼   ► pigeon poo in Trafalgar Square but

00:12:02 ◼   ► people come from the world over to see

00:12:05 ◼   ► the pigeons and to go on the backs of

00:12:06 ◼   ► the Lions and surely hundreds of

00:12:09 ◼   ► thousands of tourists a year pay through

00:12:13 ◼   ► tax revenue and buying stuff and

00:12:15 ◼   ► supporting the local economy like they

00:12:17 ◼   ► pay for that upkeep like there's no way

00:12:19 ◼   ► that it doesn't but I feel like somehow

00:12:21 ◼   ► the preservationist side and the cost

00:12:24 ◼   ► side of the argument is just the de

00:12:26 ◼   ► facto winner and it's it's like

00:12:28 ◼   ► impossible to try to be on the side of

00:12:31 ◼   ► these intangible things and I feel like

00:12:33 ◼   ► I got again I'm totally with you on this

00:12:35 ◼   ► it's like hey look guess what these

00:12:37 ◼   ► lions being outside wears them away

00:12:40 ◼   ► everything erodes over time you're going

00:12:43 ◼   ► to have to update them anyway

00:12:46 ◼   ► why not update them more frequently and

00:12:48 ◼   ► also let people enjoy them and we could

00:12:51 ◼   ► just put the whole thing inside a

00:12:52 ◼   ► gigantic plastic box right and there's I

00:12:55 ◼   ► go well there's also sun damage getting

00:12:56 ◼   ► through that box so we can put it in a

00:12:58 ◼   ► gigantic opaque box right all around

00:13:00 ◼   ► your vulgar square and nobody is allowed

00:13:03 ◼   ► in is like is that what you want now

00:13:04 ◼   ► it'll last a really long time right but

00:13:06 ◼   ► nobody gets to appreciate it like that

00:13:08 ◼   ► feels like the logical conclusion of

00:13:10 ◼   ► where

00:13:10 ◼   ► sends up well that wouldn't be good with

00:13:12 ◼   ► a big black box around Trafalgar Square

00:13:14 ◼   ► everybody wants that nobody wants that

00:13:16 ◼   ► except someone going like well you know

00:13:19 ◼   ► it would save us a lot of money every

00:13:20 ◼   ► year on meeting its cost like yeah I'm

00:13:21 ◼   ► sure it would I'm sure it goddamn would

00:13:23 ◼   ► it's fine but like the last thing I just

00:13:25 ◼   ► want to mention about this is the

00:13:26 ◼   ► juggling guy reminded me of something

00:13:27 ◼   ► that I haven't thought about in years

00:13:30 ◼   ► but as soon as I saw his video I was

00:13:31 ◼   ► like oh yeah I forgot about this event

00:13:33 ◼   ► so this is something like maybe 7 years

00:13:38 ◼   ► ago now my wife and I thought that we

00:13:42 ◼   ► might be leaving London permanently we

00:13:45 ◼   ► weren't sure this is the time of my life

00:13:47 ◼   ► where I sort of ended up living in

00:13:48 ◼   ► Hawaii for a little bit but we were

00:13:50 ◼   ► thinking there's a good possibility that

00:13:52 ◼   ► we're leaving London and we won't come

00:13:54 ◼   ► back obviously that didn't happen but we

00:13:56 ◼   ► thought that at the time and now the

00:13:59 ◼   ► place where my wife and I met each other

00:14:03 ◼   ► in person for the first time was

00:14:06 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square if you are standing at

00:14:09 ◼   ► the National Gallery and you are looking

00:14:11 ◼   ► toward Nelson's column we actually met

00:14:14 ◼   ► right beneath the paws of one of those

00:14:16 ◼   ► lions and it'd be the lion on the left

00:14:18 ◼   ► hand side that is where we met for the

00:14:21 ◼   ► first time and so when we were leaving

00:14:23 ◼   ► London we thought you know what might be

00:14:24 ◼   ► nice is let's take some really nice

00:14:28 ◼   ► photographs of ourselves in Trafalgar

00:14:30 ◼   ► Square as just like a little memory and

00:14:32 ◼   ► momento of here's a city that we really

00:14:35 ◼   ► like and here's the place that we met so

00:14:37 ◼   ► my wife and I we got dressed up all nice

00:14:40 ◼   ► and fancy my wife had a bunch of very

00:14:42 ◼   ► high-end photography gear and we got up

00:14:44 ◼   ► super early in the morning and we went

00:14:46 ◼   ► out to Trafalgar Square and we thought

00:14:48 ◼   ► okay we're gonna take some photographs

00:14:49 ◼   ► of ourselves at sunrise right like we

00:14:51 ◼   ► get there there is nobody in Trafalgar

00:14:54 ◼   ► Square the place is totally empty it's

00:14:57 ◼   ► just my wife and I and she sets up her

00:14:59 ◼   ► camera on the tripod so that we can take

00:15:01 ◼   ► some pictures of us in various locations

00:15:02 ◼   ► and we're there for mere minutes before

00:15:06 ◼   ► out of nowhere a guard comes along and

00:15:09 ◼   ► tells us that we're not allowed to be

00:15:10 ◼   ► taking these pictures in Trafalgar

00:15:12 ◼   ► Square it's like are you serious man

00:15:15 ◼   ► like is this is this something that's

00:15:16 ◼   ► really happening right now he goes yeah

00:15:17 ◼   ► well you're not allowed to do commercial

00:15:19 ◼   ► photography like okay but we're taking

00:15:22 ◼   ► pictures of ourselves

00:15:24 ◼   ► for us lives like this isn't commercial

00:15:26 ◼   ► photography look what are you talking

00:15:28 ◼   ► about there goes uh well you have a

00:15:30 ◼   ► tripod with that camera so it must be

00:15:32 ◼   ► commercial photography there's no

00:15:33 ◼   ► tripods allowed in Trafalgar Square for

00:15:35 ◼   ► taking photographs it's one of these

00:15:36 ◼   ► things where it's just so crazy making

00:15:39 ◼   ► you feel like you're in this bizarro

00:15:40 ◼   ► moment of weight like presumably you

00:15:44 ◼   ► don't want tripods in Trafalgar Square

00:15:46 ◼   ► because they take up a lot of space and

00:15:48 ◼   ► there's a lot of people here but there's

00:15:49 ◼   ► only three humans in the world in

00:15:51 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square right now it's like my

00:15:53 ◼   ► wife myself and this guy telling us that

00:15:55 ◼   ► we're not allowed to take these pictures

00:15:56 ◼   ► it was just like this incredibly

00:15:58 ◼   ► frustrating back-and-forth where we're

00:16:01 ◼   ► trying to convince this guy like we're

00:16:02 ◼   ► not taking commercial photographs and

00:16:05 ◼   ► he's like well why are you dressed up

00:16:06 ◼   ► all nice and like he just wouldn't let

00:16:07 ◼   ► it go and he's like now you can't do

00:16:09 ◼   ► this you got to go you got to get out of

00:16:10 ◼   ► here and not take these nice uh memento

00:16:12 ◼   ► photographs of yourself bothering no one

00:16:15 ◼   ► at 6:00 a.m. or whatever in Trafalgar

00:16:17 ◼   ► Square how did that end did you walk

00:16:19 ◼   ► away with the tie between your legs or

00:16:20 ◼   ► did you stand up for your rights and

00:16:21 ◼   ► sock him once I didn't punch him if

00:16:24 ◼   ► that's what you're saying all right well

00:16:26 ◼   ► here's an interesting thing which is

00:16:27 ◼   ► that we knew in advance that Trafalgar

00:16:30 ◼   ► Square and there's one other place in

00:16:31 ◼   ► the UK which have really strange rules

00:16:34 ◼   ► around photography inside of them

00:16:37 ◼   ► they're super harsh on commercial

00:16:40 ◼   ► photography and getting filming rights

00:16:41 ◼   ► and all the rest of this yeah because

00:16:43 ◼   ► it's a revenue stream yeah and it's like

00:16:45 ◼   ► again also for doing like filming stuff

00:16:47 ◼   ► there it makes total sense because you

00:16:49 ◼   ► see movies and TV shows being filmed in

00:16:51 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square and they have to close

00:16:52 ◼   ► the whole place down it's like yeah of

00:16:53 ◼   ► course that makes sense because it's a

00:16:55 ◼   ► big hassle like it takes up the square

00:16:56 ◼   ► bla bla bla but I think it's a very big

00:16:59 ◼   ► difference between that kind of thing

00:17:00 ◼   ► and to people who are just like no we're

00:17:02 ◼   ► taking photographs for ourselves like we

00:17:04 ◼   ► don't have a crew here there's just two

00:17:06 ◼   ► people and we've come at a time that's

00:17:07 ◼   ► bothering no one the problem is you two

00:17:09 ◼   ► is so damn good-looking he probably

00:17:11 ◼   ► thought you were both models yes I'm

00:17:12 ◼   ► sure that is precisely what it was he's

00:17:14 ◼   ► like oh look at these amazingly

00:17:15 ◼   ► good-looking people they must be models

00:17:18 ◼   ► but so all we did was like the dude was

00:17:20 ◼   ► super frustrating and we went up the

00:17:22 ◼   ► staircase and sort of by the National

00:17:24 ◼   ► Gallery and just waited for a little bit

00:17:26 ◼   ► he wandered around and then seemed to

00:17:28 ◼   ► disappear from somewhere so he just went

00:17:30 ◼   ► back out and took a bunch of photos and

00:17:31 ◼   ► then left it's just it's just like what

00:17:33 ◼   ► the lion is like okay sure mr. guard

00:17:35 ◼   ► like I know you're gonna stand here

00:17:36 ◼   ► you're gonna take the camera if

00:17:38 ◼   ► leave it on the tripod and try to take

00:17:39 ◼   ► some pictures of ourselves so I'm just

00:17:40 ◼   ► gonna wait until you're further away and

00:17:42 ◼   ► out of eyesight and then just do it

00:17:44 ◼   ► again and then leave but it's like yeah

00:17:46 ◼   ► Jeff allgor square no fun zone for a

00:17:49 ◼   ► long time and the ratchet is only

00:17:51 ◼   ► getting turned up the whole professional

00:17:53 ◼   ► photography thing also it must be

00:17:55 ◼   ► getting just impossible to police

00:17:56 ◼   ► because any amateur these days you know

00:18:00 ◼   ► has a tripod and a posh camera and a

00:18:02 ◼   ► nice lens but also you could be there

00:18:05 ◼   ► just clowning around on your iPhone and

00:18:07 ◼   ► you could be some youtuber making your

00:18:08 ◼   ► video that's gonna get watched by 30

00:18:10 ◼   ► million people how they're policing that

00:18:12 ◼   ► I've got no idea it doesn't make any

00:18:14 ◼   ► sense I think especially with YouTube

00:18:16 ◼   ► the whole notion of commercial is very

00:18:17 ◼   ► strange because I took some videos of

00:18:20 ◼   ► the signs in Trafalgar Square and I put

00:18:22 ◼   ► that up on my second channel and the

00:18:24 ◼   ► second channel does have ads that run on

00:18:27 ◼   ► that video so like was I commercially

00:18:29 ◼   ► filming in Trafalgar Square on my iPhone

00:18:32 ◼   ► it's like I guess by have a letter of

00:18:34 ◼   ► the law I was but by no reasonable

00:18:37 ◼   ► person's definition would you say oh

00:18:38 ◼   ► that was a commercial filming operation

00:18:42 ◼   ► lock him up lock him up it is very funny

00:18:45 ◼   ► because that you also see when I was

00:18:47 ◼   ► there on that day I did see a bunch of

00:18:48 ◼   ► people with what I think of as like the

00:18:50 ◼   ► the KC nice tat filming set up where

00:18:54 ◼   ► they have a very impressive looking

00:18:56 ◼   ► canon camera with a little road

00:18:58 ◼   ► microphone attachment on the top and the

00:19:00 ◼   ► gorilla pod stand to hold it in their

00:19:02 ◼   ► hands and it is it's this funny thing of

00:19:05 ◼   ► like is that just some kid filming stuff

00:19:09 ◼   ► for himself right or is that a vlogger

00:19:11 ◼   ► with millions and millions of

00:19:12 ◼   ► subscribers like you don't know and then

00:19:14 ◼   ► is that a commercial operation or not it

00:19:16 ◼   ► really is crazy and it's unbelievable

00:19:18 ◼   ► and it's frustrating

00:19:19 ◼   ► I was actually alerted to this situation

00:19:21 ◼   ► by a couple of Tim's who I think had go

00:19:25 ◼   ► onto the square they're from San

00:19:27 ◼   ► Francisco but they were holidaying in

00:19:28 ◼   ► London I was a married couple and they'd

00:19:30 ◼   ► gone to the square I think for a little

00:19:32 ◼   ► bit of gray inspired civil disobedience

00:19:34 ◼   ► and they obviously saw this roped-off

00:19:38 ◼   ► area and realized they couldn't get up

00:19:40 ◼   ► on the lines so they took like a photo

00:19:42 ◼   ► and posted it on Twitter sort of saying

00:19:45 ◼   ► look how unfun the no-fun zone is now

00:19:48 ◼   ► and I saw this and I just happened to be

00:19:50 ◼   ► on the train on

00:19:51 ◼   ► my way into London where I had meetings

00:19:53 ◼   ► that day right near Trafalgar Square and

00:19:56 ◼   ► I felt so bad I felt like I had to do my

00:19:58 ◼   ► bit for London and for the UK I didn't

00:20:00 ◼   ► want them leaving thinking so terribly

00:20:03 ◼   ► of Trafalgar Square so I did message

00:20:05 ◼   ► them on Twitter and I said I'll tell you

00:20:07 ◼   ► what if you're in that same place at six

00:20:09 ◼   ► o'clock tonight I'll come and say hello

00:20:10 ◼   ► and let's take a better photo

00:20:12 ◼   ► so sure enough we went later on and they

00:20:15 ◼   ► turned up and like we get our own little

00:20:16 ◼   ► photoshoot and funnily enough I think

00:20:18 ◼   ► that photoshoot may have been with your

00:20:21 ◼   ► love lion because as I think about it

00:20:23 ◼   ► now it was that lion on the left nearest

00:20:26 ◼   ► the gallery as you look down mm-hmm from

00:20:29 ◼   ► the gallery so I think we were doing our

00:20:31 ◼   ► little photo at the grail of life we

00:20:33 ◼   ► didn't get stopped by the way kudos to

00:20:36 ◼   ► the first person that goes on to

00:20:37 ◼   ► Wikipedia and refers to that line as the

00:20:39 ◼   ► love line right now brady you're just

00:20:41 ◼   ► encouraging Wikipedia vandalism that we

00:20:42 ◼   ► don't promote that on the show don't do

00:20:44 ◼   ► that you wouldn't want to cause but

00:20:45 ◼   ► could be view problems I don't want to

00:20:47 ◼   ► tell you that I don't want to tell you

00:20:48 ◼   ► that you're so good to the tim's brady

00:20:50 ◼   ► you really are taking photographs in

00:20:52 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square manufacturing shoes

00:20:54 ◼   ► getting vinyl records printed you're

00:20:56 ◼   ► very good to the audience you always put

00:20:58 ◼   ► me to shame with that no I was writing

00:21:00 ◼   ► hereby and like they had previously

00:21:03 ◼   ► posted another picture as well where

00:21:04 ◼   ► they had been at the San Francisco

00:21:06 ◼   ► baseball stadium sitting like near where

00:21:08 ◼   ► I sat when I went as well so they'd been

00:21:11 ◼   ► goodtimz our like rewarding good Tim

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00:22:33 ◼   ► gray in the last podcast I talked about

00:22:36 ◼   ► how traffic responds to ambulances and

00:22:41 ◼   ► you know people getting out the way of

00:22:42 ◼   ► ambulances and that caused lots of

00:22:44 ◼   ► interesting discussion and there was

00:22:46 ◼   ► lots of legal debate and things like

00:22:47 ◼   ► that and there's no need to go over all

00:22:49 ◼   ► that again I think it's been well and

00:22:51 ◼   ► truly thrashed out on the reddit but one

00:22:54 ◼   ► thing I said that caused some

00:22:57 ◼   ► controversy was I referred to the

00:23:01 ◼   ► drivers of ambulances as ambulance

00:23:04 ◼   ► drivers mm-hmm and I don't know if you

00:23:07 ◼   ► have seen some of the reaction this

00:23:09 ◼   ► course I said at the time that a lot of

00:23:11 ◼   ► people who work in ambulances listen to

00:23:13 ◼   ► the podcast and that was proven to be

00:23:14 ◼   ► true because they all got in touch I

00:23:16 ◼   ► have seen very much of this as well yes

00:23:19 ◼   ► and basically that to summarize their

00:23:22 ◼   ► argument I supposedly have done them a

00:23:26 ◼   ► disservice by referring to them as

00:23:28 ◼   ► ambulance drivers as mere ambulance

00:23:30 ◼   ► drivers because they are trained

00:23:33 ◼   ► paramedics and they don't take well to

00:23:35 ◼   ► being called ambulance drivers and I was

00:23:38 ◼   ► wondering how you felt about this how

00:23:39 ◼   ► you felt to this admonishment that I

00:23:41 ◼   ► received it's a funny thing because I

00:23:43 ◼   ► feel like there is a presumption from

00:23:46 ◼   ► the people who are paramedics about a

00:23:49 ◼   ► thing that we're saying which were not

00:23:50 ◼   ► because when I say something like

00:23:53 ◼   ► ambulance driver which is the phrase

00:23:55 ◼   ► that I also used I feel like in my mind

00:23:58 ◼   ► you can translate that into like a hero

00:24:01 ◼   ► among men right like like that person is

00:24:04 ◼   ► doing like awesome cool danger is

00:24:07 ◼   ► driving down the roads like they're

00:24:09 ◼   ► going to literally save lives yeah

00:24:11 ◼   ► they're going in all of these dangerous

00:24:13 ◼   ► situations there was no suggestion they

00:24:15 ◼   ► were not trained to do it as well

00:24:17 ◼   ► not-here is like ambulance driver it

00:24:19 ◼   ► does not equate to like uber driver like

00:24:22 ◼   ► dude with a car right who's just doing a

00:24:24 ◼   ► thing that is not the comparison in my

00:24:27 ◼   ► mind like I can totally understand from

00:24:30 ◼   ► the perspective of a paramedic like you

00:24:31 ◼   ► go through a whole bunch of training and

00:24:33 ◼   ► then you you have a title that you are a

00:24:35 ◼   ► paramedic that means a particular thing

00:24:38 ◼   ► in your mind

00:24:39 ◼   ► whereas when we're talking about it at

00:24:41 ◼   ► least in my head it's all kind of mushed

00:24:42 ◼   ► together where it's like oh yes of

00:24:44 ◼   ► course

00:24:44 ◼   ► ambulance drivers and paramedics like

00:24:46 ◼   ► these are just people who are saving

00:24:48 ◼   ► people's lives I and they are incredibly

00:24:50 ◼   ► valuable members of society and they do

00:24:52 ◼   ► great things we got a lot of feedback

00:24:54 ◼   ► because I can understand why from the

00:24:57 ◼   ► perspective of a paramedic they might

00:24:59 ◼   ► feel like being referred to as an

00:25:02 ◼   ► ambulance driver is less than what they

00:25:04 ◼   ► are but that is by no means the feeling

00:25:07 ◼   ► in at least my head and I presume your

00:25:10 ◼   ► head when you are discussing what these

00:25:12 ◼   ► people do well yes

00:25:15 ◼   ► can I second what gray just said but can

00:25:18 ◼   ► I also add with all the love in the

00:25:20 ◼   ► world to those paramedics get off your

00:25:23 ◼   ► high horse

00:25:24 ◼   ► whoa because I accept that you have this

00:25:27 ◼   ► incredible training and knowledge that I

00:25:29 ◼   ► don't have and I'm so thankful for what

00:25:31 ◼   ► you do and I think you're heroes and you

00:25:32 ◼   ► know one day one of you might be leaning

00:25:34 ◼   ► over me to save my life and I hope

00:25:36 ◼   ► you're not still angry at me at that

00:25:37 ◼   ► point and the words he will say is he's

00:25:39 ◼   ► putting the mask over your face are your

00:25:42 ◼   ► Brady Haran yeah has this on your high

00:25:44 ◼   ► horse but no the thing is like yes you

00:25:48 ◼   ► have all this medical training but at

00:25:51 ◼   ► that moment in time when you are driving

00:25:53 ◼   ► the ambulance to me you are an ambulance

00:25:55 ◼   ► driver and that also is important and

00:25:58 ◼   ► amazing and well trained and brilliant

00:26:00 ◼   ► mm-hmm but a person driving an ambulance

00:26:02 ◼   ► is an ambulance driver kind of like by

00:26:04 ◼   ► definition even if they've stolen it

00:26:07 ◼   ► they're an ambulance driver at that

00:26:09 ◼   ► point in time and if like say someone

00:26:10 ◼   ► drove into the front wall of my house

00:26:12 ◼   ► tomorrow and knocked over the wall and I

00:26:15 ◼   ► was upset at them and I was like here on

00:26:17 ◼   ► the podcast complaining about it and I

00:26:19 ◼   ► said oh great gonna believe it like some

00:26:21 ◼   ► car driver drove into my wall and

00:26:23 ◼   ► knocked it over yesterday they're not

00:26:25 ◼   ► gonna call me up and say well actually I

00:26:26 ◼   ► happen to be a brain surgeon and I'd

00:26:28 ◼   ► prefer if you'd said a brain surgeon

00:26:30 ◼   ► drove into

00:26:31 ◼   ► my world yesterday like yes maybe you

00:26:33 ◼   ► are a brain surgeon but at the time you

00:26:35 ◼   ► were driving the car and knocking over

00:26:37 ◼   ► the wall all you were to me was the

00:26:40 ◼   ► driver of a car

00:26:41 ◼   ► likewise when someone is driving an

00:26:43 ◼   ► ambulance past me at high speed just go

00:26:45 ◼   ► and save a life at that point in time

00:26:47 ◼   ► you're an ambulance driver and I think

00:26:49 ◼   ► it's a fair description of what you are

00:26:50 ◼   ► and trust me you know if I am out in the

00:26:53 ◼   ► field making one of my videos and a

00:26:55 ◼   ► little kid says mommy mommy look at that

00:26:58 ◼   ► cameraman over there I'm not gonna turn

00:27:00 ◼   ► around and say excuse me

00:27:02 ◼   ► I'm a trained journalist and I have

00:27:04 ◼   ► interview skills and I also do the

00:27:06 ◼   ► editing and I've also put things

00:27:07 ◼   ► together and I'm gonna create a lovely

00:27:09 ◼   ► narrative out of the story I just think

00:27:11 ◼   ► okay I'm a cameraman at the moment

00:27:14 ◼   ► oh my god okay a few things I feel like

00:27:17 ◼   ► I cannot go down this line of reasoning

00:27:19 ◼   ► with you the thing is I would bet so

00:27:22 ◼   ► much money in real life that you would

00:27:24 ◼   ► turn to that kid and be like excuse me I

00:27:26 ◼   ► am a trained journalist like everything

00:27:28 ◼   ► I know about you everything about our

00:27:30 ◼   ► private conversations to me like are all

00:27:33 ◼   ► arrows pointing in the direction of yes

00:27:35 ◼   ► Brady would tell that child that he is a

00:27:38 ◼   ► trained journalist and not really a

00:27:40 ◼   ► cameraman in that moment that you've got

00:27:42 ◼   ► that wrong you've got that wrong but

00:27:43 ◼   ► putting that aside the ambulance driver

00:27:45 ◼   ► thing okay so if you were in that field

00:27:48 ◼   ► filming a video about ambulances and

00:27:51 ◼   ► they let you drive the ambulance would

00:27:55 ◼   ► you say that you were an ambulance

00:27:56 ◼   ► driver in that moment no okay you caught

00:28:00 ◼   ► me out there okay perhaps using the

00:28:02 ◼   ► notion of someone having stolen the

00:28:05 ◼   ► ambulance was maybe me taking a little

00:28:07 ◼   ► bit of dramatic license the amusement of

00:28:10 ◼   ► our listeners but I do think it is fair

00:28:13 ◼   ► to call someone who is earning money

00:28:15 ◼   ► while driving the ambulance an ambulance

00:28:18 ◼   ► driver and yes they also have an even

00:28:21 ◼   ► more important role to play but in the

00:28:23 ◼   ► context of my story mhm

00:28:25 ◼   ► all that mattered was that their own

00:28:26 ◼   ► ambulance driver so here's the thing

00:28:27 ◼   ► that I'm a little bit foggy on so the

00:28:29 ◼   ► preferred term is paramedic

00:28:31 ◼   ► I feel like I don't understand very

00:28:33 ◼   ► clearly the boundaries of this word

00:28:35 ◼   ► because do paramedics only exist in some

00:28:40 ◼   ► form of transit like I'm thinking about

00:28:43 ◼   ► right a paramedic is coming in and

00:28:45 ◼   ► ambulance where a paramedic is coming in

00:28:47 ◼   ► a helicopter do paramedics operate

00:28:51 ◼   ► inside of the hospital or do they

00:28:53 ◼   ► operate exclusively outside of the

00:28:57 ◼   ► hospital in transit back to it like I

00:28:59 ◼   ► don't understand actually very clearly

00:29:01 ◼   ► where the boundaries of this are you're

00:29:02 ◼   ► asking me I'm already in trouble for not

00:29:04 ◼   ► knowing this so you don't ask me okay

00:29:06 ◼   ► I'm looking at now while I look this up

00:29:08 ◼   ► I have another question I want to throw

00:29:09 ◼   ► out there to the paramedics if you're a

00:29:12 ◼   ► paramedic and you lose your driver's

00:29:15 ◼   ► license let's say for drink-driving I'm

00:29:17 ◼   ► assuming you can't now drive the

00:29:20 ◼   ► ambulance are you still a paramedic if

00:29:22 ◼   ► you can't drive an ambulance who drives

00:29:25 ◼   ► the ambulance

00:29:25 ◼   ► are there any just bespoke ambulance

00:29:27 ◼   ► drivers you know I Drive the ambulance

00:29:29 ◼   ► but like I've got nothing about the

00:29:31 ◼   ► human body like I just get the

00:29:32 ◼   ► paramedics there to those people even

00:29:34 ◼   ► exist that's a very interesting question

00:29:36 ◼   ► I feel like economies tend towards

00:29:38 ◼   ► specialization I feel like somewhere in

00:29:40 ◼   ► some country this has to be a clear

00:29:42 ◼   ► division of labor that there does exist

00:29:44 ◼   ► someone who is an ambulance driver only

00:29:47 ◼   ► who's trained on racetracks and like

00:29:51 ◼   ► pretend villages to be able to drive

00:29:52 ◼   ► around corners because that seems like a

00:29:54 ◼   ► very different skill sets from being

00:29:57 ◼   ► able to stop someone from bleeding to

00:29:59 ◼   ► death in their kitchen I don't think

00:30:01 ◼   ► there's necessarily overlap so there

00:30:03 ◼   ► must be someplace that has this division

00:30:04 ◼   ► of labor I'm sure we'll find out from

00:30:06 ◼   ► all of the paramedics well we're not

00:30:08 ◼   ► gonna find out from the paramedic

00:30:09 ◼   ► Wikipedia page because that's a little

00:30:11 ◼   ► bit nebulous I was looking over that too

00:30:13 ◼   ► and I'm like I'm getting no help from

00:30:14 ◼   ► your Wikipedia page this is now what I'm

00:30:15 ◼   ► looking for plays plays plays nuisance

00:30:19 ◼   ► Tim make the term ambulance driver

00:30:22 ◼   ► redirect to paramedic Brady you you are

00:30:25 ◼   ► such a troublemaker it's a thing I have

00:30:27 ◼   ► to disapprove of greatly in your

00:30:29 ◼   ► personality so these are the questions

00:30:31 ◼   ► are there people who are ambulance

00:30:33 ◼   ► drivers only and do paramedics only

00:30:37 ◼   ► exist in transit from location our

00:30:41 ◼   ► paramedics do they not exist inside of a

00:30:43 ◼   ► hospital I feel like this is this is

00:30:45 ◼   ► what we need to know please go to the

00:30:46 ◼   ► reddit's and have a big angry discussion

00:30:49 ◼   ► about it I'm feeling a bit bad about

00:30:51 ◼   ► this Wikipedia thing I'll tell you what

00:30:53 ◼   ► if you are a Wikipedia mischief-maker

00:30:56 ◼   ► not only are you very naughty and we

00:30:58 ◼   ► don't

00:30:59 ◼   ► proof of that but I hope at least once a

00:31:01 ◼   ► year you make a donation to the wiki

00:31:03 ◼   ► foundation to support them because like

00:31:05 ◼   ► Wikipedia is pretty important it's one

00:31:07 ◼   ► of the few things that like when I get

00:31:09 ◼   ► pestered about donations on the Internet

00:31:10 ◼   ► I will sometimes say you know what I

00:31:12 ◼   ► like Wikipedia I'm gonna check him a few

00:31:15 ◼   ► bucks that is the same in our household

00:31:17 ◼   ► because yes it is Wikipedia it's super

00:31:19 ◼   ► fun to mess with and it is also maybe

00:31:22 ◼   ► one of the most important things for

00:31:24 ◼   ► civilization that has emerged in the

00:31:26 ◼   ► past 20 years it's on both sides of

00:31:28 ◼   ► those scales support your local

00:31:30 ◼   ► Wikipedia people was that an NPR joke I

00:31:32 ◼   ► don't know what that was I feel like

00:31:34 ◼   ► I've heard that phrase but I wasn't

00:31:35 ◼   ► intentionally making an NPR joke because

00:31:37 ◼   ► like this is something that's been on my

00:31:39 ◼   ► mind lately and you've just brought it

00:31:40 ◼   ► up by accident but I don't listen to NPR

00:31:43 ◼   ► radio because I live in England right

00:31:46 ◼   ► but I do listen to lots of NPR podcasts

00:31:48 ◼   ► an NPR podcasts are obviously supported

00:31:52 ◼   ► through like the NPR pot of money and I

00:31:55 ◼   ► think they've gotten themselves into

00:31:56 ◼   ► this weird antiquated situation now

00:31:59 ◼   ► where there's obviously some turf war

00:32:01 ◼   ► going on and there's a lot of politics

00:32:04 ◼   ► involved because whenever you're

00:32:06 ◼   ► listening to the podcasts they always

00:32:08 ◼   ► say if you want to support the podcast

00:32:09 ◼   ► and give money so we can keep making

00:32:11 ◼   ► this excellent podcast right go to your

00:32:13 ◼   ► local radio station and give them money

00:32:16 ◼   ► because some of that money will find its

00:32:18 ◼   ► way here and that's what keeps the

00:32:19 ◼   ► podcast guy and I understand the

00:32:21 ◼   ► situation that has come about and why

00:32:23 ◼   ► this has happened but I think at some

00:32:25 ◼   ► stage in PR are gonna have to say do you

00:32:28 ◼   ► know are like our podcasts are really

00:32:30 ◼   ► popular now and people want to give them

00:32:32 ◼   ► money but they don't want to do this

00:32:33 ◼   ► like indirect weird thing where they

00:32:35 ◼   ► have to go to their radio station and

00:32:37 ◼   ► prop up the radio station yeah let's

00:32:39 ◼   ► keep getting their podcast yeah so I

00:32:41 ◼   ► think NPR needs to soon revisit this

00:32:45 ◼   ► situation where their podcasts are

00:32:47 ◼   ► saying hey go to your local radio

00:32:49 ◼   ► station and give them money I understand

00:32:51 ◼   ► the politics I can see what's happened

00:32:52 ◼   ► as old media versus new media thing

00:32:55 ◼   ► going on within the one organization but

00:32:57 ◼   ► it's very strange to me and it's

00:32:59 ◼   ► starting to sound strange that makes no

00:33:01 ◼   ► sense to me so you're listening to an

00:33:02 ◼   ► NPR podcast yeah so I'm listening to it

00:33:04 ◼   ► and they say if you like this and you

00:33:06 ◼   ► want to give us money here's what you do

00:33:08 ◼   ► go to your local NPR radio station and

00:33:12 ◼   ► give them money okay so I am Joe Johnson

00:33:16 ◼   ► listening in Boise Idaho and I like a

00:33:19 ◼   ► podcast from Washington about about

00:33:21 ◼   ► Washington politics or something Yeah

00:33:22 ◼   ► right it's not about Boise it's some NPR

00:33:25 ◼   ► podcast broadcast to everybody and yeah

00:33:28 ◼   ► in theory the thing that I'm supposed to

00:33:30 ◼   ► do is find Boise radio be qrx 103.2 and

00:33:37 ◼   ► hand them an envelope full of cash like

00:33:40 ◼   ► that seems so crazy I don't even

00:33:41 ◼   ► understand how that mechanism is

00:33:42 ◼   ► supposed to work that is so weird it's a

00:33:44 ◼   ► bit like us saying if you like hello

00:33:46 ◼   ► internet and want to support Brady and

00:33:48 ◼   ► gray give money to my best friends

00:33:50 ◼   ► cousins sisters brother cuz I owe him

00:33:52 ◼   ► money for something I borrowed from him

00:33:54 ◼   ► six months ago

00:33:55 ◼   ► and that will really help me out people

00:33:58 ◼   ► will know I don't do that yeah I would

00:34:00 ◼   ► never do that they need to set up crowd

00:34:01 ◼   ► funding for the podcast that seems like

00:34:04 ◼   ► what they should do and clearly I mean I

00:34:05 ◼   ► can see what's happened obviously this

00:34:07 ◼   ► is the huge radio infrastructure which

00:34:09 ◼   ► is probably crumbling in some way

00:34:11 ◼   ► because of everyone's listening to

00:34:13 ◼   ► podcasts instead of radio and the radio

00:34:15 ◼   ► people are like worried that they're

00:34:17 ◼   ► gonna cease to exist totally be worried

00:34:19 ◼   ► they are on the way out and you don't

00:34:21 ◼   ► need to explain to me that that the

00:34:22 ◼   ► journalism of the radio stations feeds

00:34:24 ◼   ► into the podcast I understand all that

00:34:26 ◼   ► there's a New York Times podcast I

00:34:28 ◼   ► listen to sometimes and they always say

00:34:29 ◼   ► hey people always ask how to give money

00:34:31 ◼   ► the best thing you can do is get a

00:34:33 ◼   ► subscription to The New York Times

00:34:34 ◼   ► because that's the journalistic engine

00:34:36 ◼   ► that keeps this podcast going and again

00:34:38 ◼   ► that's true but it's that extra layer of

00:34:42 ◼   ► abstraction that I think makes you

00:34:45 ◼   ► resistant the New York Times one is at

00:34:47 ◼   ► least to me a much straighter arrow yes

00:34:48 ◼   ► this is the parent organization the New

00:34:50 ◼   ► York Times give us some money to support

00:34:52 ◼   ► the podcast it's very interesting from a

00:34:55 ◼   ► big organization perspective of like if

00:34:59 ◼   ► you want people to give you money how to

00:35:01 ◼   ► do it I feel like in that situation

00:35:02 ◼   ► let's say there was a podcast from the

00:35:04 ◼   ► New York Times I was listening to and

00:35:05 ◼   ► that I liked and I want to support it

00:35:07 ◼   ► like I would feel a little bit of a

00:35:09 ◼   ► weirdness giving to the New York Times

00:35:11 ◼   ► as a whole because I feel like but I

00:35:13 ◼   ► want to give it to this exact podcast

00:35:15 ◼   ► yeah but you can see that the New York

00:35:17 ◼   ► Times organization wants the money to go

00:35:20 ◼   ► to the parent organization not to the

00:35:23 ◼   ► podcast in particular and of course like

00:35:25 ◼   ► money

00:35:26 ◼   ► is fungible for an organization like

00:35:28 ◼   ► that it doesn't really matter

00:35:29 ◼   ► yeah but I'm thinking like if NPR was

00:35:32 ◼   ► doing crowdfunding

00:35:33 ◼   ► I think the institution's instinct would

00:35:37 ◼   ► be to do the thing that would probably

00:35:38 ◼   ► get them less money overall which is to

00:35:41 ◼   ► have one gigantic contribute to NPR fund

00:35:44 ◼   ► as opposed to setting up a whole bunch

00:35:47 ◼   ► of contribute to this particular podcast

00:35:50 ◼   ► funds even if they had some little

00:35:53 ◼   ► disclaimer like oh you're contributing

00:35:54 ◼   ► to podcast X and 50% of the revenue that

00:35:58 ◼   ► goes to podcast X goes to the parent

00:35:59 ◼   ► organization as well hmm

00:36:01 ◼   ► like I'd be willing to bet they would

00:36:03 ◼   ► make more revenue overall by asking for

00:36:06 ◼   ► donations to particular podcast than to

00:36:08 ◼   ► the parent organization but also bet

00:36:11 ◼   ► they would never actually set it up that

00:36:12 ◼   ► way no probably not

00:36:14 ◼   ► speaking of big organizations let me

00:36:16 ◼   ► tell you a funny thing that happened to

00:36:17 ◼   ► me yesterday I went to my local gym I

00:36:21 ◼   ► just want to sit in the jacuzzi actually

00:36:22 ◼   ► so I went along and I sat in the jacuzzi

00:36:25 ◼   ► because I that's what I wanted all right

00:36:27 ◼   ► this is what I wanted and where my sort

00:36:30 ◼   ► of gym is is sort of connected to this

00:36:32 ◼   ► posh hotel and guests of the posh hotel

00:36:34 ◼   ► used the same facility and this hotel

00:36:37 ◼   ► always hosts like away days and weddings

00:36:39 ◼   ► and stuff like that right so I was

00:36:41 ◼   ► sitting in the jacuzzi for probably half

00:36:43 ◼   ► an hour and there was obviously this big

00:36:45 ◼   ► away day happening at the hotel they

00:36:48 ◼   ► were all men all these men who were at

00:36:51 ◼   ► this away day for this business came and

00:36:53 ◼   ► sat in the jacuzzi around me so there

00:36:55 ◼   ► was like probably eight of us and the

00:36:56 ◼   ► seven of them worked for this business

00:36:58 ◼   ► and they were talking about their work

00:37:00 ◼   ► and then a few of them got out and then

00:37:02 ◼   ► a couple more came and then a few of

00:37:03 ◼   ► others got out and a couple more came

00:37:04 ◼   ► and over the course of half an hour

00:37:06 ◼   ► probably 16 or 17 people that worked for

00:37:09 ◼   ► this business set in the jacuzzi with me

00:37:12 ◼   ► and they spent the whole time talking

00:37:14 ◼   ► about their work non-stop the politics

00:37:18 ◼   ► of how bills lazy and isn't pulling his

00:37:20 ◼   ► weight and this email and their email

00:37:22 ◼   ► and this report I had to fill out and

00:37:23 ◼   ► this thing I had to do they never

00:37:25 ◼   ► stopped talking about their work the

00:37:26 ◼   ► whole time the whole half hour I was in

00:37:29 ◼   ► the jacuzzi and it was only at the very

00:37:30 ◼   ► very end it suddenly occurred to me

00:37:33 ◼   ► after listening to these people talk

00:37:35 ◼   ► non-stop about their work for half an

00:37:37 ◼   ► hour I had no idea what they did or what

00:37:40 ◼   ► business not one single thing gave away

00:37:44 ◼   ► what their business was and it made me

00:37:46 ◼   ► realize how universal people complaining

00:37:49 ◼   ► about their work is like I even said to

00:37:52 ◼   ► them at the end guys I've been listening

00:37:53 ◼   ► to you guys for the last half an hour I

00:37:55 ◼   ► have no idea what you do like what's

00:37:57 ◼   ► your business like and they all laughed

00:38:00 ◼   ► and like they realized like at certain

00:38:02 ◼   ► points I was like I thought I'd figured

00:38:04 ◼   ► it out and I was transposing different

00:38:05 ◼   ► businesses on to what they did they

00:38:07 ◼   ► could they could have been a bunch of

00:38:08 ◼   ► journalists seriously they could have

00:38:10 ◼   ► been they could have been accountants at

00:38:12 ◼   ► one point I thought they were like

00:38:13 ◼   ► estate agents and things like that I

00:38:15 ◼   ► couldn't figure out what they were doing

00:38:16 ◼   ► listening to them talk for half an hour

00:38:18 ◼   ► part of it made me miss working because

00:38:20 ◼   ► they had such comradery and you know but

00:38:23 ◼   ► another part of me made me realize well

00:38:25 ◼   ► working in their organizations pretty

00:38:27 ◼   ► crappy yeah you're always getting sucked

00:38:29 ◼   ► up into politics

00:38:30 ◼   ► as soon as you get past maybe five

00:38:32 ◼   ► people working together it's it's like

00:38:33 ◼   ► politics starts to happen it's just a

00:38:35 ◼   ► natural side-effect of the way humans

00:38:37 ◼   ► are so what was the business I have to

00:38:38 ◼   ► know now even when they told me I still

00:38:41 ◼   ► don't know what they did cuz apparently

00:38:42 ◼   ► they worked in operations for a retail

00:38:45 ◼   ► organization okay okay yeah so I don't

00:38:48 ◼   ► know exactly what that means does that

00:38:49 ◼   ► mean is there like head office for a

00:38:51 ◼   ► shop I don't know this scenario when I'm

00:38:54 ◼   ► talking to somebody and I get an answer

00:38:57 ◼   ► about their job that's what you should

00:38:58 ◼   ► say your job is when you don't want

00:39:00 ◼   ► people to ask questions because as soon

00:39:01 ◼   ► as they said operations for a retail

00:39:02 ◼   ► organization I just shut up yeah you

00:39:05 ◼   ► know what that's that's not a bad idea

00:39:06 ◼   ► I work in digital operations I mean the

00:39:09 ◼   ► thing I wanted to say when they said

00:39:10 ◼   ► that was what retail organization then I

00:39:13 ◼   ► was a stranger and I just basically had

00:39:15 ◼   ► told these people I've been listening to

00:39:16 ◼   ► you gossip I would have looked like some

00:39:18 ◼   ► kind of industrial spy or like

00:39:21 ◼   ► investigative journalist if I said what

00:39:23 ◼   ► organization yeah give me names you

00:39:25 ◼   ► bring out a little waterproof notepad to

00:39:28 ◼   ► write things down any oh yeah

00:39:29 ◼   ► interesting I think what's happening

00:39:32 ◼   ► here is there is like a larger and

00:39:36 ◼   ► larger portion of the economy which is

00:39:38 ◼   ► not directly involved in doing the thing

00:39:41 ◼   ► but is instead involved in managing

00:39:45 ◼   ► doing the thing yeah and I feel like

00:39:48 ◼   ► this is why is an incredibly common

00:39:51 ◼   ► experience to run into people and it's

00:39:53 ◼   ► like

00:39:53 ◼   ► everybody seems to be like so what do

00:39:55 ◼   ► you do exactly

00:39:57 ◼   ► like I don't understand on making a

00:39:59 ◼   ► thing you're overseeing people who make

00:40:01 ◼   ► a thing or you're overseeing departments

00:40:03 ◼   ► of people who make a thing it just feels

00:40:05 ◼   ► like the economy leans more towards

00:40:09 ◼   ► layers of management and I'm not even

00:40:11 ◼   ► saying that those layers are unnecessary

00:40:13 ◼   ► like I think as the economy gets more

00:40:15 ◼   ► complicated it shouldn't be surprised

00:40:17 ◼   ► that more and more people are involved

00:40:19 ◼   ► in which you could broadly call like

00:40:20 ◼   ► management or logistics like that

00:40:23 ◼   ► becomes more and more vital as a thing

00:40:25 ◼   ► to do yeah but I do have this let's call

00:40:27 ◼   ► it like not really great pro-social

00:40:30 ◼   ► tendency that in these moments when

00:40:31 ◼   ► somebody gives me an answer like that I

00:40:33 ◼   ► have a very hard time not like drilling

00:40:36 ◼   ► down with the person precisely what it

00:40:39 ◼   ► is that they do it almost always ends up

00:40:41 ◼   ► in this thing where is like oh if I'm

00:40:42 ◼   ► meeting with someone on a Friday the

00:40:44 ◼   ► conversation will bend towards be like

00:40:46 ◼   ► okay look I still don't understand this

00:40:48 ◼   ► morning when you went when you went into

00:40:50 ◼   ► work is like 9:00 a.m. what was the

00:40:53 ◼   ► thing that you did it's like this line

00:40:55 ◼   ► of questioning makes people really

00:40:56 ◼   ► uncomfortable yeah it would have made

00:40:59 ◼   ► them more uncomfortable because our bare

00:41:01 ◼   ► legs were touching underwater I could

00:41:02 ◼   ► see how that definitely encourages a

00:41:04 ◼   ► little bit of social walk for this I

00:41:06 ◼   ► love the fact that you're chatting with

00:41:07 ◼   ► a bunch of other guys in the jacuzzi

00:41:09 ◼   ► after spying on them for a while that's

00:41:11 ◼   ► it's like oh I wanted to go out with him

00:41:13 ◼   ► they were planning their night out

00:41:14 ◼   ► sounds like they were gonna have a big

00:41:15 ◼   ► night out though talking about what pub

00:41:16 ◼   ► they were gonna go to and go out

00:41:17 ◼   ► drinking and I was like oh yeah that's

00:41:20 ◼   ► fantastic and then these guys are

00:41:21 ◼   ► wondering who the hell is this hanger I

00:41:22 ◼   ► know from the way they were talking

00:41:25 ◼   ► they'd probably just think I was one of

00:41:26 ◼   ► them like I didn't think anyone knew who

00:41:28 ◼   ► anyone was like who is that guy Arden hi

00:41:30 ◼   ► you must be in I thought you knew who he

00:41:32 ◼   ► was

00:41:32 ◼   ► I don't know he seems to fit in you

00:41:34 ◼   ► could have totally blended right in this

00:41:35 ◼   ► is like an American Psycho situation

00:41:37 ◼   ► where none of these guys really know who

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00:43:22 ◼   ► hello Internet that's a you DIBL EECOM

00:43:26 ◼   ► slash hello Internet I remember when

00:43:30 ◼   ► Theresa May the prime minister of the UK

00:43:33 ◼   ► which is prime minister as I'm speaking

00:43:34 ◼   ► now I don't know what the situation

00:43:36 ◼   ► would be with this podcast goes out the

00:43:39 ◼   ► prime minister who called the snap

00:43:40 ◼   ► election to consolidate her power as we

00:43:44 ◼   ► discussed and I couldn't resist

00:43:46 ◼   ► on election night when it all went wrong

00:43:48 ◼   ► for her and she lost her majority and it

00:43:51 ◼   ► must have been one of the less enjoyable

00:43:53 ◼   ► evenings of her professional career I

00:43:55 ◼   ► couldn't resist going back to your tweet

00:43:58 ◼   ► and when the election was first called

00:43:59 ◼   ► where you just had the Jurassic Park

00:44:02 ◼   ► meme of clever girl and I remember you

00:44:05 ◼   ► talking about it on the podcast her you

00:44:07 ◼   ► talked about what a genius move it was

00:44:08 ◼   ► people had to vote for her she cornered

00:44:11 ◼   ► them in such a clever way that they had

00:44:13 ◼   ► no choice but to vote for her and

00:44:14 ◼   ► increase her power for those who don't

00:44:17 ◼   ► know that's not how it played out then

00:44:20 ◼   ► she went from having a small majority in

00:44:23 ◼   ► the House of Commons to having no

00:44:25 ◼   ► majority in the House of Commons how are

00:44:27 ◼   ► you feeling now are you feeling sheepish

00:44:29 ◼   ► so I didn't follow the election at all

00:44:32 ◼   ► between that tweet and then when

00:44:34 ◼   ► somebody sent me a message about like oh

00:44:36 ◼   ► there's a coalition government in the UK

00:44:38 ◼   ► now like as far as on my radar

00:44:40 ◼   ► like the whole election disappeared and

00:44:41 ◼   ► then just reappeared several weeks later

00:44:43 ◼   ► yeah it's interesting and from my

00:44:45 ◼   ► perspective I have no idea what happened

00:44:48 ◼   ► in the intermediate time what's happen

00:44:51 ◼   ► is she's obviously in the minority she

00:44:53 ◼   ► hasn't got enough votes to get anything

00:44:56 ◼   ► through okay but what she's doing is

00:44:58 ◼   ► rather than forming a coalition which is

00:45:00 ◼   ► what happened a couple of elections ago

00:45:02 ◼   ► between the Conservatives and the

00:45:03 ◼   ► Liberal Democrats right what she's

00:45:05 ◼   ► trying to do as we're speaking now it

00:45:07 ◼   ► hasn't actually been signed and it's

00:45:09 ◼   ► causing controversy for some other

00:45:10 ◼   ► reasons that I won't bore you with but

00:45:12 ◼   ► what she's trying to do is broker a deal

00:45:15 ◼   ► with a political party the DUP from

00:45:18 ◼   ► Northern Ireland mm-hmm who have some

00:45:20 ◼   ► handful of seats in the Commons but

00:45:23 ◼   ► they've got just enough seats to give

00:45:26 ◼   ► her a majority so what she's doing is

00:45:28 ◼   ► she's trying to broker a deal with them

00:45:30 ◼   ► where they're not in coalition and they

00:45:32 ◼   ► don't have to support her laws and all

00:45:34 ◼   ► her votes and everything she does but

00:45:36 ◼   ► they do agree to support her on two

00:45:38 ◼   ► important things confidence and supply

00:45:41 ◼   ► so if there's a no confidence vote they

00:45:43 ◼   ► agree to support the government so the

00:45:45 ◼   ► government can stay in government and if

00:45:47 ◼   ► there's something that's going to block

00:45:48 ◼   ► up the money in the budget supply they

00:45:50 ◼   ► also will support the government on that

00:45:52 ◼   ► so it's not a coalition they don't have

00:45:54 ◼   ► like you know oh interests they're not

00:45:55 ◼   ► part of the government it's just an

00:45:57 ◼   ► agreement to support them on those two

00:45:59 ◼   ► crucial things and everything else is

00:46:01 ◼   ► gonna be just chaos and what they're

00:46:04 ◼   ► gonna get for that deal is yet to be

00:46:06 ◼   ► finalized like you know lb suddenly

00:46:09 ◼   ► gonna get lots of shiny new gorgeous

00:46:11 ◼   ► infrastructure in certain parts of

00:46:12 ◼   ► Northern Ireland as a result of this I

00:46:15 ◼   ► imagine that might happen yes but of

00:46:18 ◼   ► course the problem is Northern Ireland

00:46:19 ◼   ► is deeply deeply divided between its own

00:46:22 ◼   ► parties like the DUP lynchin phone well

00:46:24 ◼   ► we're not going to go into that but

00:46:26 ◼   ► obviously like shin vain and these other

00:46:28 ◼   ► parties in Northern Ireland like hang on

00:46:29 ◼   ► a second you're the UK government you're

00:46:31 ◼   ► supposed to in some ways kind of

00:46:33 ◼   ► keep out of the Northern Ireland mess

00:46:36 ◼   ► you know there's agreements here that

00:46:37 ◼   ► have been made and now you're like

00:46:39 ◼   ► budding up with just one of the parties

00:46:40 ◼   ► to get their votes so more messes to

00:46:44 ◼   ► come as we speak now this agreement

00:46:46 ◼   ► hasn't been signed

00:46:47 ◼   ► that's very interesting I thought she

00:46:48 ◼   ► had formed an official coalition this is

00:46:50 ◼   ► a much more interesting situation the UK

00:46:52 ◼   ► government sort of kind of taking aside

00:46:56 ◼   ► in the Northern Irish politics like boy

00:46:58 ◼   ► that sounds like a whole bunch and not

00:47:00 ◼   ► fun I like this idea that there's a

00:47:02 ◼   ► coalition that is a it's like an

00:47:04 ◼   ► unofficial official coalition is what's

00:47:06 ◼   ► happening here which is amazing because

00:47:09 ◼   ► it sounds like maximum instability now

00:47:11 ◼   ► it's like coalition's people always

00:47:13 ◼   ► worry about them being unstable and now

00:47:15 ◼   ► to not even have a coalition is unstable

00:47:18 ◼   ► err that's fantastic I don't know what

00:47:21 ◼   ► the betting markets are saying at the

00:47:22 ◼   ► moment but a lot of people are saying

00:47:25 ◼   ► that they'll probably be another

00:47:27 ◼   ► election this year

00:47:28 ◼   ► oh really interesting I think not but

00:47:30 ◼   ► why do you think not because I mean one

00:47:33 ◼   ► of the reasons this election went so

00:47:35 ◼   ► pear-shaped I think for Teresa may was

00:47:38 ◼   ► like election fatigue and I think people

00:47:40 ◼   ► are sick of having elections all the

00:47:42 ◼   ► time and they thought she was having

00:47:43 ◼   ► another one to be a bit greedy people

00:47:45 ◼   ► wanted to give her bit of a bloody nose

00:47:47 ◼   ► for that well they did for whatever

00:47:50 ◼   ► reason so I think if there's another

00:47:52 ◼   ► election this year it will be one that's

00:47:53 ◼   ► kind of forced upon them certainly I

00:47:55 ◼   ► don't think the Conservative Party would

00:47:57 ◼   ► risk holding it but I don't know what do

00:47:59 ◼   ► I know

00:47:59 ◼   ► I don't know much your bet is that if

00:48:01 ◼   ► there is another election it would just

00:48:03 ◼   ► be simply because the government just

00:48:04 ◼   ► falls apart it is in essentially

00:48:06 ◼   ► dissolves yeah and we have another

00:48:08 ◼   ► election interesting folks two paces

00:48:10 ◼   ► yeah it's interesting because again I I

00:48:13 ◼   ► didn't follow any of the things going on

00:48:15 ◼   ► but the reason I thought it was such a

00:48:16 ◼   ► clever move is because I did have this

00:48:18 ◼   ► feeling like boy really boxed in to

00:48:20 ◼   ► having to support Theresa May because

00:48:23 ◼   ► like my feeling is the result we have

00:48:25 ◼   ► now is kind like the worst of everything

00:48:27 ◼   ► because if brexit is going to happen

00:48:31 ◼   ► even though i am not in favor of brexit

00:48:34 ◼   ► i would still want the UK government to

00:48:36 ◼   ► be in the strongest negotiating position

00:48:39 ◼   ► for brexit to occur otherwise it feels

00:48:42 ◼   ► like cutting your nose to spite your

00:48:43 ◼   ► face hmm and so that's why I thought

00:48:45 ◼   ► like oh man this elections lockdown be

00:48:47 ◼   ► because everyone else is gonna make this

00:48:50 ◼   ► kind of like same game theory

00:48:51 ◼   ► calculation like well we don't want

00:48:52 ◼   ► brexit to happen but if it's gonna

00:48:53 ◼   ► happen like we might as well make our

00:48:55 ◼   ► position super strong now it feels like

00:48:57 ◼   ► oh god here we go like well the UK is

00:48:59 ◼   ► wandering into brexit with a real bloody

00:49:04 ◼   ► nose before the negotiations have even

00:49:06 ◼   ► really begun I feel like this is not a

00:49:08 ◼   ► good situation I tell you one thing

00:49:10 ◼   ► that's interesting that I mean I know

00:49:11 ◼   ► you and I are not you know we don't talk

00:49:13 ◼   ► a lot of politics and stuff and you know

00:49:15 ◼   ► especially you aren't particularly

00:49:16 ◼   ► interested but this does mean that if

00:49:20 ◼   ► BRICS it goes ahead which it seems like

00:49:22 ◼   ► it still will you being so wrong about

00:49:24 ◼   ► the general election does mean you're

00:49:27 ◼   ► probably more likely to be right now

00:49:29 ◼   ► about your bricks at prediction and that

00:49:31 ◼   ► is everyone seems to agree now that soft

00:49:34 ◼   ► brexit is much more likely than hard

00:49:37 ◼   ► brick so we seem to be drifting towards

00:49:39 ◼   ► a hard brick set before this election

00:49:41 ◼   ► and now soft bricks that seems like the

00:49:44 ◼   ► more likely scenario yeah I don't know

00:49:46 ◼   ► it's like I still feel like with all of

00:49:48 ◼   ► this stuff there's some weird part of me

00:49:49 ◼   ► which still thinks like this will just

00:49:50 ◼   ► never be resolved right but this will

00:49:52 ◼   ► just go on forever and ever even though

00:49:54 ◼   ► I know that it can't like article 50 has

00:49:55 ◼   ► been triggered yeah there's some part of

00:49:57 ◼   ► me which just can't let go of the idea

00:49:58 ◼   ► of like man people can stall forever

00:50:02 ◼   ► sometimes and are we just are we just

00:50:03 ◼   ► going to be left in a limbo that just

00:50:05 ◼   ► never ends that's a remain of fantasy

00:50:07 ◼   ► then that remain a fantasy suddenly

00:50:09 ◼   ► became a little bit more possible I

00:50:10 ◼   ► think it's still a fantasy but I

00:50:12 ◼   ► obviously was hoping we would stay in

00:50:14 ◼   ► the EU as well so the idea of it falling

00:50:16 ◼   ► apart delights me but I don't know if

00:50:18 ◼   ► it'll happen or not but yeah I think it

00:50:21 ◼   ► won't I don't think it will fall apart

00:50:23 ◼   ► something happens or endless negotiation

00:50:26 ◼   ► happens but those are different from it

00:50:27 ◼   ► falling apart I don't know it's been a

00:50:29 ◼   ► real interesting time with elections

00:50:31 ◼   ► that's for sure and I feel like this one

00:50:33 ◼   ► was to me particularly unexpected I feel

00:50:36 ◼   ► like I don't really understand what

00:50:37 ◼   ► happened between when she called the

00:50:39 ◼   ► election and when the election happened

00:50:41 ◼   ► but yeah it's surprising it is

00:50:43 ◼   ► interesting and I don't like the

00:50:45 ◼   ► position that the UK is in now because I

00:50:47 ◼   ► feel like it's a it's a worse

00:50:49 ◼   ► negotiating position but maybe if it

00:50:51 ◼   ► ends up being a softer brexit in the

00:50:53 ◼   ► long run that's better

00:50:54 ◼   ► I don't know who knows only in the

00:50:56 ◼   ► future will we know current US recording

00:50:58 ◼   ► this now has no idea so there was

00:51:00 ◼   ► another page

00:51:01 ◼   ► of news I wanted to bring up with you

00:51:04 ◼   ► this is one of the times where the fact

00:51:05 ◼   ► that our podcasts are so far apart comes

00:51:08 ◼   ► in handy or works against us I don't

00:51:10 ◼   ► know which it's summertime Brady you

00:51:12 ◼   ► can't have a lot of podcast in the

00:51:13 ◼   ► summer everybody knows that no you

00:51:15 ◼   ► certainly can't there was big news that

00:51:18 ◼   ► I couldn't wait to tell you it's not be

00:51:20 ◼   ► related we haven't actually had the buzz

00:51:21 ◼   ► this week is there gonna be a buzz this

00:51:22 ◼   ► week there's no buzz this week Brady

00:51:24 ◼   ► okay there has been a lot of B news in

00:51:27 ◼   ► fact did you not see the story about the

00:51:29 ◼   ► Vice President of the United States has

00:51:31 ◼   ► put a beehive at his house this sounds

00:51:33 ◼   ► vaguely familiar it was like

00:51:34 ◼   ► presidential buzz news in the summertime

00:51:37 ◼   ► Twitter is also very hard to do so I

00:51:39 ◼   ► haven't been keeping up with the Twitter

00:51:40 ◼   ► as much because it's warm outside the

00:51:43 ◼   ► second lady has installed a beehive at

00:51:45 ◼   ► the vice presidential residence it's to

00:51:47 ◼   ► raise awareness of the dwindling

00:51:49 ◼   ► honeybee population well now that we've

00:51:51 ◼   ► gotten some honeybees in the vice

00:51:54 ◼   ► presidency there's only one place to go

00:51:56 ◼   ► presidential honeybees in the future

00:51:58 ◼   ► imagine that like a big white house of

00:52:00 ◼   ► bees yeah that'll be awesome White House

00:52:02 ◼   ► or bust for bees okay so after that

00:52:05 ◼   ► accidental piece of buzz let me tell you

00:52:07 ◼   ► more importantly what I thought was

00:52:10 ◼   ► going to be Mount Everest news that I

00:52:11 ◼   ► couldn't wait to discuss with you but I

00:52:14 ◼   ► think it's been snatched away from me

00:52:15 ◼   ► because there was this story during the

00:52:17 ◼   ► rounds a few weeks ago that this really

00:52:20 ◼   ► famous feature on Mount Everest called

00:52:23 ◼   ► the Hillary step which is a sort of

00:52:25 ◼   ► rocky outcropping it's the last bit of

00:52:27 ◼   ► technical climbing you have to do before

00:52:29 ◼   ► you get to like the summit of Everest

00:52:31 ◼   ► mm-hmm had like collapsed had fallen

00:52:34 ◼   ► apart apparently it was shaken apart by

00:52:37 ◼   ► the earthquake that happened a couple of

00:52:38 ◼   ► years ago and because no one had gone

00:52:40 ◼   ► and navigated it since because of

00:52:42 ◼   ► problems on Everest all the climbers

00:52:44 ◼   ► were going back for the first time and

00:52:46 ◼   ► they were like it's not there anymore

00:52:48 ◼   ► there's just all this snow and the rocks

00:52:49 ◼   ► falling apart and my impression was it

00:52:52 ◼   ► had become actually easier now to get up

00:52:54 ◼   ► past her and go on up to the summit and

00:52:56 ◼   ► they were like these before and after

00:52:58 ◼   ► pictures doing the rounds and it looked

00:53:00 ◼   ► to me like it wasn't there anymore and I

00:53:02 ◼   ► was really excited and so just before

00:53:04 ◼   ► the show I was like getting everything

00:53:05 ◼   ► ready to tell you about it mm-hmm and

00:53:07 ◼   ► now there seems to be this second story

00:53:09 ◼   ► where climbers are saying no no no no we

00:53:12 ◼   ► think it's still there there's just been

00:53:13 ◼   ► a lot of snow and you can't see

00:53:14 ◼   ► properly and it's covering snow at the

00:53:16 ◼   ► moment but the Hillary step is still

00:53:17 ◼   ► there so the jury is out as to whether

00:53:21 ◼   ► or not this famous feature this beloved

00:53:23 ◼   ► feature on Mount Everest may not even be

00:53:26 ◼   ► there anymore it's not often you get

00:53:27 ◼   ► geological news is it that works in a

00:53:30 ◼   ► pretty slow time scale so the idea that

00:53:32 ◼   ► we have like a new piece of geology to

00:53:34 ◼   ► tell everyone about that was quite

00:53:36 ◼   ► exciting to me but now I don't know yes

00:53:38 ◼   ► I have to wait a bit longer issues of

00:53:40 ◼   ► the buzz might come out on a monthly

00:53:42 ◼   ► basis but I feel like the geology Now

00:53:44 ◼   ► magazine maybe comes out once a year

00:53:46 ◼   ► geological news happens on a geological

00:53:49 ◼   ► time scale yeah but like of all the

00:53:51 ◼   ► things that could change like all the

00:53:54 ◼   ► geological features in the world that

00:53:55 ◼   ► could change like there's only one

00:53:57 ◼   ► geological feature like higher than the

00:54:01 ◼   ► Hillary step and that is like the summit

00:54:03 ◼   ► of Mount Everest so sure of the summit

00:54:05 ◼   ► of Mount Everest disappearing which I

00:54:06 ◼   ► don't think is technically possible the

00:54:08 ◼   ► Hillary step disappearing is like big

00:54:10 ◼   ► news it's the second highest named thing

00:54:12 ◼   ► in the world I think so anyway there you

00:54:14 ◼   ► go there's Mount Everest non news or

00:54:17 ◼   ► maybe news let's wait till the snow

00:54:19 ◼   ► thaws but I have been hearing you Tim's

00:54:21 ◼   ► for those 400,000 Tim's that alerted me

00:54:24 ◼   ► to this news I didn't receive your

00:54:26 ◼   ► emails and tweets thank you so you went

00:54:31 ◼   ► to WWDC mm-hmm and I know you've

00:54:34 ◼   ► discussed this on detail in the other

00:54:37 ◼   ► place but I do want to find out what it

00:54:40 ◼   ► was like that was it good by the way the

00:54:42 ◼   ► other place is like a politics joke like

00:54:44 ◼   ► if people don't know how that

00:54:45 ◼   ► Parliament's work you don't name the

00:54:46 ◼   ► other chamber and stuff oh yeah my

00:54:48 ◼   ► learned friend in another place is what

00:54:50 ◼   ► you sometimes stay instead of like the

00:54:52 ◼   ► House of Lords really is it like a

00:54:53 ◼   ► question time thing I don't think I've

00:54:54 ◼   ► ever heard that yeah it's like it's like

00:54:56 ◼   ► a parliament thing so anyway was it good

00:54:59 ◼   ► did you have a good time I always feel

00:55:01 ◼   ► kind of funny going to a conference like

00:55:02 ◼   ► WWDC because I don't really have any

00:55:05 ◼   ► reason to be there like I'm not a

00:55:06 ◼   ► developer I don't have like a software

00:55:08 ◼   ► business that has any reason to be in

00:55:10 ◼   ► WWDC this is for me just totally an

00:55:13 ◼   ► extension of really like my professional

00:55:17 ◼   ► interest in Apple as a user of their

00:55:20 ◼   ► products and particularly interesting to

00:55:23 ◼   ► go after what feels like has been a long

00:55:24 ◼   ► time where there haven't been any

00:55:25 ◼   ► updates in in their products

00:55:28 ◼   ► I went I really enjoyed it I feel like

00:55:30 ◼   ► they had a whole bunch of exciting

00:55:31 ◼   ► announcements which it's it's kind of

00:55:34 ◼   ► nice to be there in person for that and

00:55:37 ◼   ► to be around people when that's

00:55:38 ◼   ► happening why well it's nice to be in

00:55:41 ◼   ► person because when you're watching the

00:55:43 ◼   ► announcements you can see other people's

00:55:45 ◼   ► reactions to things and you know how you

00:55:47 ◼   ► know what other people care about and

00:55:49 ◼   ► what you care about and this was this

00:55:51 ◼   ► was a really good show because everybody

00:55:53 ◼   ► got something that they liked and then

00:55:55 ◼   ► yeah the other reason I do like to be

00:55:57 ◼   ► there in person is when Apple announces

00:56:01 ◼   ► that they have new products like this

00:56:03 ◼   ► year they have new iPads they give out

00:56:06 ◼   ► review units to some of the people who

00:56:08 ◼   ► are there and mmm there are

00:56:10 ◼   ► circumstances under which maybe a person

00:56:13 ◼   ► like me can get their hands on the brand

00:56:15 ◼   ► new thing to get a first look at it for

00:56:18 ◼   ► brief periods of time and that's the

00:56:21 ◼   ► kind of thing that you can only do if

00:56:22 ◼   ► you are physically at where the

00:56:25 ◼   ► conference is happening that's just

00:56:27 ◼   ► plain exciting like it's it's super fun

00:56:29 ◼   ► and super interesting to see the brand

00:56:32 ◼   ► new thing that was announced the day

00:56:34 ◼   ► before which hasn't gone on sale yet so

00:56:36 ◼   ► I really quite like that who would have

00:56:37 ◼   ► thought that you of all people would

00:56:39 ◼   ► like get a thrill from that luck because

00:56:41 ◼   ► you know you're gonna get it in a few

00:56:42 ◼   ► weeks and you buy everything new anyway

00:56:43 ◼   ► so you are gonna have one who would have

00:56:45 ◼   ► thought that like that kind of cheap

00:56:48 ◼   ► thrill would penetrate your rational

00:56:52 ◼   ► exterior don't get me wrong like it

00:56:53 ◼   ► would work on me because I like cheap

00:56:55 ◼   ► thrills but who would have thought that

00:56:57 ◼   ► you would be so susceptible to the cheap

00:56:59 ◼   ► thrill of oh I'm getting to touch this a

00:57:01 ◼   ► few weeks before everyone else is that a

00:57:02 ◼   ► cheap thrill though I mean the joke is

00:57:04 ◼   ► always like Apple has this reality

00:57:06 ◼   ► distortion bubble that they announce

00:57:07 ◼   ► things and and it seems like it's

00:57:09 ◼   ► amazing in their presentations but

00:57:11 ◼   ► there's a really big difference between

00:57:13 ◼   ► seeing and handling something in person

00:57:15 ◼   ► hmm versus just seeing it presented on a

00:57:20 ◼   ► stage oh yeah don't get me wrong oh yeah

00:57:22 ◼   ► no I understand the difference between

00:57:24 ◼   ► saying a picture of it and actually

00:57:25 ◼   ► getting to use it and I just could have

00:57:27 ◼   ► imagined a scenario in which you said

00:57:29 ◼   ► well it's going to be in the shop in six

00:57:32 ◼   ► weeks anyway and I'm going to buy it so

00:57:34 ◼   ► the fact that I've touched it for 15

00:57:35 ◼   ► minutes six weeks before is really

00:57:38 ◼   ► irrelevant I'm gonna come to grips with

00:57:40 ◼   ► it soon anyway and I

00:57:41 ◼   ► no in six weeks whether it's good or

00:57:43 ◼   ► it's bad and it's basically just that

00:57:45 ◼   ► kind of not that you would boast about

00:57:48 ◼   ► it but that kind of boast enos of I got

00:57:50 ◼   ► to touch it before everyone else I would

00:57:52 ◼   ► have thought would have little impact on

00:57:53 ◼   ► you I feel like you don't understand it

00:57:55 ◼   ► all the joy that I'm getting out of this

00:57:56 ◼   ► right it's not that I get to change it

00:57:58 ◼   ► before other people do it's I want to

00:58:01 ◼   ► pass it through my own evaluation filter

00:58:04 ◼   ► as soon as possible so impatient you're

00:58:06 ◼   ► impatient to see it ya know you use you

00:58:09 ◼   ► don't me see you such funny words it's

00:58:10 ◼   ► like I want to know if the thing is as

00:58:12 ◼   ► good as they're saying it is but you are

00:58:15 ◼   ► gonna find that out like you're gonna

00:58:16 ◼   ► find that out whether you're at WWDC or

00:58:18 ◼   ► not like you're gonna find out when it's

00:58:20 ◼   ► in the shop if it's as good as they say

00:58:22 ◼   ► it is yeah I just like to find out

00:58:23 ◼   ► sooner it's fun to find out sooner

00:58:25 ◼   ► hence my word impatient which I think

00:58:27 ◼   ► was the ideal word for that to describe

00:58:29 ◼   ► that I want to find out sooner I think

00:58:31 ◼   ► yes but it somehow really when you use

00:58:33 ◼   ► the words I feel like I have the shape

00:58:35 ◼   ► of some like Brady thought in my mind

00:58:37 ◼   ► which you seem to be expressing which

00:58:39 ◼   ► doesn't match up with my own internal

00:58:41 ◼   ► experience here because if I was in

00:58:44 ◼   ► London still I don't think I'd be

00:58:47 ◼   ► feeling like oh man I can't wait to see

00:58:48 ◼   ► the thing like I got to get my hands on

00:58:49 ◼   ► it I would just be waiting until it was

00:58:51 ◼   ► available but if I can go to WWE word to

00:59:02 ◼   ► use but maybe you're right maybe it is

00:59:04 ◼   ► the best word in in this circumstance

00:59:06 ◼   ► I mean WWDC like isn't that like fueled

00:59:10 ◼   ► by impatience like people's enthusiasm

00:59:12 ◼   ► to see the stuff as soon as humanly

00:59:14 ◼   ► possible like that's why everyone's

00:59:16 ◼   ► there I know there are the reasons like

00:59:18 ◼   ► collaboration and you know the primary

00:59:21 ◼   ► thing with WWDC is apples announcing all

00:59:23 ◼   ► of their new software changes so that

00:59:26 ◼   ► all of the developers who are there can

00:59:28 ◼   ► get their apps ready for when the

00:59:31 ◼   ► software is officially released like

00:59:33 ◼   ► there has to be a big period of time

00:59:35 ◼   ► between which Apple reveals here's all

00:59:37 ◼   ► the new things we've been working on

00:59:39 ◼   ► here all the changes that we've made you

00:59:42 ◼   ► need to adapt all of your programs to

00:59:44 ◼   ► work with this new paradigm like there

00:59:46 ◼   ► has to be at least a several month gap

00:59:49 ◼   ► before the time yeah before then apple

00:59:51 ◼   ► says here we're now putting all of these

00:59:54 ◼   ► changes on

00:59:55 ◼   ► everybody's iPhone impatience isn't the

00:59:57 ◼   ► correct word to describe that it's just

00:59:59 ◼   ► like we need

00:59:59 ◼   ► like we need

01:00:00 ◼   ► buffer period where people can adapt

01:00:03 ◼   ► their stuff to the new way things are

01:00:05 ◼   ► going to work and that is why

01:00:07 ◼   ► essentially everybody is at WWDC they

01:00:10 ◼   ► want to find out what's happening and

01:00:12 ◼   ► more importantly software developers can

01:00:15 ◼   ► actually get in touch with people at

01:00:17 ◼   ► Apple and ask them questions about how

01:00:19 ◼   ► to change their software that's why I

01:00:21 ◼   ► feel I always feel like really out of

01:00:23 ◼   ► place you're the one guy there that

01:00:25 ◼   ► wants to just touch an iPad before

01:00:26 ◼   ► everyone oh yeah exactly

01:00:27 ◼   ► everybody else is there for like serious

01:00:29 ◼   ► business work and I'm they're going to

01:00:30 ◼   ► let me look at the thing it's so that's

01:00:34 ◼   ► why I don't it feels a bit funny to go

01:00:36 ◼   ► but it it just so happens to have worked

01:00:39 ◼   ► out in the past two years that WWDC

01:00:43 ◼   ► combined with other things and family

01:00:47 ◼   ► stuff it's worked out that I can roll it

01:00:49 ◼   ► up into one gigantic ball of traveling

01:00:51 ◼   ► for the summer it happens to have worked

01:00:54 ◼   ► out this way but it's not the kind of

01:00:56 ◼   ► thing like I wouldn't fly over only for

01:00:59 ◼   ► WWDC most likely I need to like wrap it

01:01:01 ◼   ► up in a whole bunch of other stuff to do

01:01:03 ◼   ► because again I have no real reason to

01:01:04 ◼   ► be there except in patients are they

01:01:07 ◼   ► releasing anything that I should be

01:01:09 ◼   ► excited about I would say the thing that

01:01:11 ◼   ► you should be excited about is new iMac

01:01:13 ◼   ► pros yeah I did hear there is one and it

01:01:17 ◼   ► excites me I went to the Apple store

01:01:19 ◼   ► today but obviously it wasn't there

01:01:21 ◼   ► because I wanted to find out what it was

01:01:22 ◼   ► all about but it's not coming out until

01:01:24 ◼   ► much later in the year it's coming out

01:01:25 ◼   ► in December supposedly but yes this is

01:01:28 ◼   ► for you and I for the work that we do

01:01:30 ◼   ► probably the machines that we should get

01:01:32 ◼   ► and it's also very nice because they're

01:01:35 ◼   ► making it in black which is nice instead

01:01:37 ◼   ► of the silver co as a way to distinguish

01:01:39 ◼   ► like this is their professional thing

01:01:40 ◼   ► but yet it's coming out in a few months

01:01:43 ◼   ► and I don't know about you but my iMac

01:01:46 ◼   ► certainly could use a bit of horsepower

01:01:49 ◼   ► update yeah when it comes to exporting

01:01:51 ◼   ► videos and editing podcasts and all the

01:01:53 ◼   ► rest of that differently please tell me

01:01:55 ◼   ► it's gonna have like some ports in it

01:01:57 ◼   ► please they're not gonna like just have

01:01:59 ◼   ► like one hole in it for Apple stuff only

01:02:02 ◼   ► like is it gonna have like am I gonna be

01:02:04 ◼   ► able to plug stuff into it it's funny

01:02:05 ◼   ► you mention that because I'm recording

01:02:07 ◼   ► right now on my macbook pro which I

01:02:10 ◼   ► brought with me for this trip and

01:02:13 ◼   ► the lack of ports is just killing me

01:02:14 ◼   ► setting it up today it's like I have

01:02:16 ◼   ► four USB seaports but of course the

01:02:18 ◼   ► microphone that I'm using isn't USB see

01:02:19 ◼   ► it's USB a so I need to have an adapter

01:02:21 ◼   ► and it's like all of the hard drives I

01:02:23 ◼   ► have also need adapters and I'm sitting

01:02:25 ◼   ► here over the past few weeks realizing

01:02:27 ◼   ► like I don't have enough adapters to

01:02:29 ◼   ► work with this thing and even when I

01:02:32 ◼   ► went out and bought like a big bag full

01:02:34 ◼   ► of adapters there's still only four

01:02:36 ◼   ► ports and it's like I need to plug in

01:02:38 ◼   ► more than four things when I'm doing

01:02:39 ◼   ► professional work on the road and the

01:02:41 ◼   ► lack of SD card slot is just killing me

01:02:45 ◼   ► on this trip I just had this today I

01:02:48 ◼   ► went to the mech store today and I was

01:02:50 ◼   ► looking at the MacBook Pro and I was

01:02:52 ◼   ► just like I was looking for an SD slot

01:02:54 ◼   ► in it just then the lady from the shop

01:02:56 ◼   ► came up to me and said can I help you

01:02:58 ◼   ► and I basically this turned her and said

01:03:00 ◼   ► you guys are having a laugh and walked

01:03:01 ◼   ► off I was disenchanted I gotta say of

01:03:05 ◼   ► all of the things that they've done okay

01:03:08 ◼   ► switching to USB C ports I can get on

01:03:10 ◼   ► board a train that's driving to the

01:03:11 ◼   ► future fine right reducing the number of

01:03:14 ◼   ► ports I guess I can live with it but

01:03:16 ◼   ► cutting out the SD card slot so that you

01:03:19 ◼   ► can pull footage off your camera fast

01:03:22 ◼   ► like isn't that the definition of Pro

01:03:25 ◼   ► like how is this not in the laptop it

01:03:27 ◼   ► has killed me so many times on this trip

01:03:30 ◼   ► it is such a pain in the butt to not

01:03:32 ◼   ► have that I do know that the new Mac Pro

01:03:35 ◼   ► does have USB C slots and has USB a

01:03:39 ◼   ► slots and has thunderbolt slots I don't

01:03:42 ◼   ► know if it has an SD card slot or not

01:03:44 ◼   ► but it seems like they've reversed a

01:03:48 ◼   ► little bit on their decision of we will

01:03:50 ◼   ► just go with two beautiful USB C ports

01:03:54 ◼   ► because how could you possibly ever need

01:03:55 ◼   ► more so it does look like they're black

01:03:58 ◼   ► I Mac Pro will actually have a bunch of

01:04:00 ◼   ► slots but it kills me on this laptop

01:04:02 ◼   ► like I swear to God if Apple released

01:04:04 ◼   ► the exact same laptop and they only

01:04:05 ◼   ► changed one thing they added an SD card

01:04:07 ◼   ► like I would buy it because it's so

01:04:09 ◼   ► important you reminded me with this s

01:04:11 ◼   ► taste stuff because obviously you're

01:04:12 ◼   ► taking photos on your trip what

01:04:15 ◼   ► percentage of the photos that you take

01:04:18 ◼   ► have you in them have you taken any

01:04:20 ◼   ► photos with you in them okay I am going

01:04:24 ◼   ► to estimate five

01:04:26 ◼   ► sent of the photos I take have me in

01:04:28 ◼   ► them oh that's more than I would have

01:04:30 ◼   ► guessed there might be a real over

01:04:31 ◼   ► estimate but here's the thing Brady the

01:04:35 ◼   ► only reason that I take photographs with

01:04:37 ◼   ► me in them is because I know that my

01:04:39 ◼   ► parents and my wife vastly prefer

01:04:41 ◼   ► photographs that have me in them versus

01:04:44 ◼   ► just photographs of things which I can

01:04:46 ◼   ► totally understand but if for some

01:04:49 ◼   ► reason my family did not want

01:04:52 ◼   ► photographs of what I'm up to I think I

01:04:54 ◼   ► would have essentially 0 photographs

01:04:57 ◼   ► with with myself in them I go a little

01:04:59 ◼   ► bit back and forward on this because

01:05:00 ◼   ► don't get me wrong like I love taking

01:05:02 ◼   ► like a nice photo for the sake of just a

01:05:04 ◼   ► photo but part of me does think like if

01:05:07 ◼   ► you're not taking any pictures with you

01:05:09 ◼   ► in them what's the point of taking a

01:05:10 ◼   ► photo at all I guess like why not just

01:05:13 ◼   ► like buy a postcard buy a photographer

01:05:14 ◼   ► who would have taken a much better

01:05:16 ◼   ► further from the same spot I don't agree

01:05:18 ◼   ► with that I think there's something

01:05:19 ◼   ► about taking a photograph of a spot that

01:05:22 ◼   ► you have taken like obviously of course

01:05:24 ◼   ► any any notable landmark of any kind if

01:05:26 ◼   ► you go to there will exist better

01:05:28 ◼   ► photographs of that thing but I think

01:05:30 ◼   ► there's something kind of nice about

01:05:33 ◼   ► taking a photograph yourself of a place

01:05:35 ◼   ► even if it's not a as good of a

01:05:37 ◼   ► photograph as it could possibly be I

01:05:38 ◼   ► also think that if you go somewhere

01:05:40 ◼   ► significant you should like take a photo

01:05:41 ◼   ► of yourself there like it's kind of like

01:05:44 ◼   ► your flag on the moon it's just like

01:05:46 ◼   ► yeah I I was here you know I was there

01:05:49 ◼   ► when you look back at it I've liked if

01:05:50 ◼   ► you go somewhere really amazing and

01:05:51 ◼   ► don't and have no photograph of yourself

01:05:53 ◼   ► there I think you could regret it later

01:05:55 ◼   ► I'm mentally running over my last 10

01:05:57 ◼   ► years of taking photographs and I feel

01:05:58 ◼   ► like I don't really regret not having

01:05:59 ◼   ► photographs of me and any particular

01:06:01 ◼   ► places I feel like I'm totally fine with

01:06:03 ◼   ► a photograph of the thing but it is

01:06:06 ◼   ► mostly that other people are much less

01:06:08 ◼   ► fine with solely photographs of things

01:06:10 ◼   ► they want photographs of people which is

01:06:12 ◼   ► completely understandable in further fun

01:06:17 ◼   ► election news we have another election

01:06:20 ◼   ► that took place recently and this was

01:06:24 ◼   ► the Puerto Rican referendum on whether

01:06:27 ◼   ► or not

01:06:29 ◼   ► Puerto Rico should become a state of the

01:06:33 ◼   ► United States

01:06:34 ◼   ► raaah Puerto Rico has existed for a very

01:06:36 ◼   ► long time in this in-between land

01:06:40 ◼   ► as a territory and the US has this very

01:06:44 ◼   ► strange system of territories which was

01:06:47 ◼   ► obviously designed for the 1800s when

01:06:51 ◼   ► America was adding a whole bunch of

01:06:52 ◼   ► states and was not intended to be a

01:06:55 ◼   ► thing that would just go on forever but

01:06:58 ◼   ► Puerto Rico has ended up being a

01:06:59 ◼   ► territory for a very very long time

01:07:02 ◼   ► and there has been a debate for ages

01:07:06 ◼   ► about whether or not Puerto Rico should

01:07:07 ◼   ► become a state of the United States if

01:07:10 ◼   ► it should become an independent country

01:07:13 ◼   ► of its own or if it should enter into

01:07:16 ◼   ► what is called free association with the

01:07:19 ◼   ► United States which is I guess you could

01:07:22 ◼   ► describe it as independence light where

01:07:24 ◼   ► it is functionally an independent

01:07:27 ◼   ► country but a bit under the aegis of the

01:07:29 ◼   ► United States these are the options that

01:07:33 ◼   ► have been open to Puerto Rico and they

01:07:35 ◼   ► just recently had a referendum on it and

01:07:36 ◼   ► Puerto Rico has voted for full statehood

01:07:40 ◼   ► as the option that they wish to pursue

01:07:42 ◼   ► all right there are a few things coming

01:07:44 ◼   ► to mind and a few things to talk about

01:07:45 ◼   ► that you're going to want to talk about

01:07:47 ◼   ► but just to start me off here you're

01:07:50 ◼   ► talking as if this is entirely their

01:07:52 ◼   ► decision which I find hard to believe

01:07:53 ◼   ► like there's a there's a whole other

01:07:55 ◼   ► party here isn't there which is the

01:07:57 ◼   ► other 50 states it's not just their

01:07:59 ◼   ► decision is it's not like you and I

01:08:00 ◼   ► could decide we want to form a state of

01:08:03 ◼   ► the United States and vote on it and

01:08:04 ◼   ► then tell them right all right we're in

01:08:06 ◼   ► this is the beginning of even under the

01:08:10 ◼   ► best of circumstances what would be a

01:08:12 ◼   ► very long dance between Puerto Rico and

01:08:16 ◼   ► and the United States

01:08:17 ◼   ► I don't know offhand what the exact

01:08:19 ◼   ► procedure is but yeah it is not the case

01:08:21 ◼   ► that if Puerto Rico decides that it

01:08:23 ◼   ► wants to be a state that it is just

01:08:25 ◼   ► immediately accepted into the Union

01:08:27 ◼   ► given its status as a territory right so

01:08:30 ◼   ► given that is a known thing I assume

01:08:33 ◼   ► polling been done but I don't know

01:08:34 ◼   ► whether it's that this is a common

01:08:36 ◼   ► knowledge or not is it a well known

01:08:38 ◼   ► thing how the greater body of the United

01:08:41 ◼   ► States feels about this like do most

01:08:43 ◼   ► people think yeah let him in order most

01:08:45 ◼   ► people think no way we don't want to

01:08:47 ◼   ► like what's the general temperature of

01:08:49 ◼   ► the United States in in relation to this

01:08:51 ◼   ► I have never seen any polling data on it

01:08:53 ◼   ► I

01:08:53 ◼   ► would be curious but I would bet that if

01:08:56 ◼   ► you asked Americans about Puerto Rico

01:08:59 ◼   ► you would only get one of two answers

01:09:01 ◼   ► and it would be people who think it is a

01:09:03 ◼   ► separate country and people who think it

01:09:05 ◼   ► is already a state in the United States

01:09:07 ◼   ► no I would wager an enormous amount of

01:09:10 ◼   ► money on that that most people would not

01:09:12 ◼   ► be able to answer that Puerto Rico is a

01:09:14 ◼   ► territory of the United States right

01:09:15 ◼   ► most continental citizens yeah I agree

01:09:19 ◼   ► with part one of what you said I just

01:09:20 ◼   ► cannot believe part two I cannot believe

01:09:22 ◼   ► you could find people who think Puerto

01:09:25 ◼   ► Rico is one of the 50 states you always

01:09:27 ◼   ► have such a high opinion of people Brady

01:09:28 ◼   ► I find it really charming it's like I

01:09:31 ◼   ► know too many things about how people in

01:09:32 ◼   ► New Mexico have a hard time getting

01:09:34 ◼   ► deliveries to New Mexico in the United

01:09:36 ◼   ► States like I've run across too much of

01:09:38 ◼   ► this stuff where people just don't

01:09:41 ◼   ► understand what the states are I'm not

01:09:43 ◼   ► even confident that more than 75% of

01:09:47 ◼   ► adult Americans would know that there

01:09:48 ◼   ► are 50 states exactly I've run into

01:09:50 ◼   ► people who are like oh it's 52 states

01:09:52 ◼   ► isn't it for some reason like this seems

01:09:53 ◼   ► to be a number that lodges in people's

01:09:54 ◼   ► heads I can see where that confusion

01:09:56 ◼   ► comes from but yeah okay so that's why I

01:09:58 ◼   ► would be very willing to bet that most

01:10:00 ◼   ► Americans think it is already a state or

01:10:02 ◼   ► think it is a separate country and just

01:10:03 ◼   ► don't really have any opinion on this

01:10:05 ◼   ► matter at all but what I think is a

01:10:07 ◼   ► really really interesting snag in this

01:10:12 ◼   ► because because as we said like this is

01:10:14 ◼   ► going to start a dance between Puerto

01:10:15 ◼   ► Rico and the United States but just I

01:10:18 ◼   ► think there's interesting parallels with

01:10:20 ◼   ► this to brexit because just like the

01:10:24 ◼   ► brexit turnout was lower than expected

01:10:27 ◼   ► the voter turnout in the Puerto Rican

01:10:30 ◼   ► referendum was hilariously low 23% of

01:10:38 ◼   ► the population turned out to vote in

01:10:40 ◼   ► this referendum that seems to me just

01:10:43 ◼   ► like a real snag perhaps in this because

01:10:47 ◼   ► again it's like a non-binding referendum

01:10:49 ◼   ► but I feel like it is really hard to

01:10:52 ◼   ► call that a clear victory that Puerto

01:10:56 ◼   ► Ricans want to become an official state

01:10:59 ◼   ► in the United States when only 23% of

01:11:03 ◼   ► people turned out to vote in the actual

01:11:06 ◼   ► referendum

01:11:07 ◼   ► I mean I'm no expert on this I've only

01:11:08 ◼   ► read one article about the story at all

01:11:10 ◼   ► but in that article I did read two

01:11:13 ◼   ► important pieces of information that

01:11:14 ◼   ► feed into that though one is they have

01:11:16 ◼   ► voted on this before yes yeah it's not

01:11:20 ◼   ► the first time yeah and the second thing

01:11:22 ◼   ► is this particular election was unique

01:11:24 ◼   ► because there was this like call for a

01:11:26 ◼   ► boycott like there was a political

01:11:28 ◼   ► reason for that low turnout it wasn't

01:11:30 ◼   ► that people don't care and things that

01:11:32 ◼   ► was like the low turnout it was in

01:11:34 ◼   ► itself part of the the politics of it

01:11:36 ◼   ► that's exactly right that I didn't

01:11:37 ◼   ► follow the exact details of it but the

01:11:39 ◼   ► two other major parties and options

01:11:41 ◼   ► boycotted the referendum which when you

01:11:44 ◼   ► look at the voter turnout makes it even

01:11:46 ◼   ► more hilarious because 23 percent of the

01:11:48 ◼   ► people showed up to vote but of those 23

01:11:51 ◼   ► percent who showed up to vote 97 percent

01:11:53 ◼   ► of them voted for state it is like okay