The Incomparable

153: Monkey with a Tinfoil Sandwich


00:00:00   the incomparable number 153 artists 2013 [TS]

00:00:09   we're back on the uncomfortable i'm your [TS]

00:00:11   host Jason snow and tonight we're going [TS]

00:00:13   to be talking about time travel movies [TS]

00:00:15   but I have a confession to make [TS]

00:00:17   what you're listening to is timeline be [TS]

00:00:20   this podcast we already did the podcast [TS]

00:00:23   and then we entered a time-travel box [TS]

00:00:25   traveled back a little more than an hour [TS]

00:00:27   in time and are now emerging from the [TS]

00:00:30   box at the beginning of the podcast [TS]

00:00:31   which i know is very confusing just like [TS]

00:00:34   some of the movies were going to be [TS]

00:00:36   talking about tonight among my guests on [TS]

00:00:39   tonight's show our Lex Friedman who were [TS]

00:00:42   gonna find out didn't really like primer [TS]

00:00:44   hi Lex I I really didn't like primer no [TS]

00:00:47   no that's too bad because we're going to [TS]

00:00:50   talk about it i'm glad you watched it [TS]

00:00:52   spoiler alert i watched it twice it's [TS]

00:00:55   all spoilers we will fire the spoiler [TS]

00:00:58   horn off at the end of the podcast but [TS]

00:01:01   yeah we're going to talk about all the [TS]

00:01:02   movies [TS]

00:01:03   Tony sindelar is also here hi Tony [TS]

00:01:06   I you know if somebody ran up to me and [TS]

00:01:08   shakes me and asked me what year is it [TS]

00:01:09   i'm just slap them unless they're like [TS]

00:01:11   filling out a check or something when [TS]

00:01:12   they get that's that's a good idea if [TS]

00:01:14   you run into yourself and yourself has [TS]

00:01:16   gold bars or silver bars all taped to [TS]

00:01:18   his chest [TS]

00:01:19   I would ask for a 50-50 split yeah just [TS]

00:01:22   take the money and run man that's just [TS]

00:01:23   that's that's how you do this be called [TS]

00:01:25   being a gentleman I think so [TS]

00:01:27   david lawrence here hi David [TS]

00:01:30   hello I'm i'm hoping we didn't get [TS]

00:01:33   around to talking about Inspector [TS]

00:01:34   Spacetime Oh Who I think we I think I [TS]

00:01:37   can guarantee you that there will be no [TS]

00:01:38   talk about Inspector Spacetime on this [TS]

00:01:41   episode I just have a feeling it's it's [TS]

00:01:44   the braider time don't change the [TS]

00:01:45   timeline David don't alter the time line [TS]

00:01:47   or we'll have to record this podcast [TS]

00:01:49   again and nobody wants that [TS]

00:01:51   don't don't Drive Angry well how we [TS]

00:01:53   maybe we'll talk about groundhog day [TS]

00:01:55   know that would be nice if we mentioned [TS]

00:01:56   that at the end that would be that would [TS]

00:01:57   be good [TS]

00:01:58   John siracusa is here hi John if I'm [TS]

00:02:02   listening to this just a message to [TS]

00:02:03   myself make sure you get into the box [TS]

00:02:06   it's imperative that you do that thank [TS]

00:02:07   you completely thank you [TS]

00:02:09   and then I know that in this episode [TS]

00:02:11   you're gonna you're going to talk about [TS]

00:02:12   all of the things that you absolutely [TS]

00:02:15   love about twelve Monkeys probably that [TS]

00:02:18   it's not a time travel movie probably we [TS]

00:02:21   haven't recorded that part [TS]

00:02:22   no you know no that's right it's all to [TS]

00:02:24   come buddy ashley is also here Monty I [TS]

00:02:28   suspect is going to like primer or [TS]

00:02:32   primer as much as i do I like time [TS]

00:02:35   travel movies because they have lots of [TS]

00:02:37   rules rules are important i love [TS]

00:02:40   diagrams even if the diagrams aren't [TS]

00:02:43   exactly right [TS]

00:02:44   I like favorite part of back to the [TS]

00:02:46   future when they stopped the movie to [TS]

00:02:48   show a diagram what happened nothing [TS]

00:02:50   like a good checkpoint sequence that is [TS]

00:02:52   it's the best is the best so I don't [TS]

00:02:55   know where to begin with these three [TS]

00:02:56   movies that are that the ones that I [TS]

00:02:58   told you to see I the earliest is 12 [TS]

00:03:02   monkeys which I just watched again last [TS]

00:03:06   night and I want to talk about twelve [TS]

00:03:08   Monkeys looper and and primer intern [TS]

00:03:12   primer primer there's a whole convoluted [TS]

00:03:15   you can call it either 1 it's shane [TS]

00:03:17   carruth director says that it was [TS]

00:03:19   supposed to be called primer and he got [TS]

00:03:21   because that's what the word means is a [TS]

00:03:23   you know an instruction manual basically [TS]

00:03:25   to teach you how to do something but [TS]

00:03:27   everybody called primer instead of [TS]

00:03:28   primer so he gave up so that really [TS]

00:03:31   caught there it just like primer fine [TS]

00:03:34   but that's not the word and i do want to [TS]

00:03:36   talk about time travel in general are [TS]

00:03:40   these movies these movies have different [TS]

00:03:44   takes on time mechanics and every time [TS]

00:03:46   travel movie is different back to the [TS]

00:03:47   future is you know fade away when you [TS]

00:03:50   change the timeline kind of thing [TS]

00:03:52   the reason i wanted us to talk about 12 [TS]

00:03:54   monkeys is having seen so many time [TS]

00:03:58   travel movies i really love the fact [TS]

00:03:59   that 12 monkeys has a really kind of [TS]

00:04:03   hard definition of time travel which is [TS]

00:04:06   that there's only one timeline things [TS]

00:04:08   only are ever what they are [TS]

00:04:12   everything is inevitable it's kind of [TS]

00:04:13   really depressing in twelve Monkeys [TS]

00:04:15   because everything out some point bruce [TS]

00:04:17   willis just says you're all dead to me [TS]

00:04:19   already [TS]

00:04:20   you're all gonna die doesn't matter but [TS]

00:04:23   i like that 12 monkeys doesn't go in for [TS]

00:04:25   any of this sort of like wait a second [TS]

00:04:27   that's a paradox like the doctor who [TS]

00:04:29   kind of thing where you're like you [TS]

00:04:31   don't even know anymore it's like it [TS]

00:04:33   the time paradoxes beat you down until [TS]

00:04:34   you can't complain [TS]

00:04:35   anymore and 12 monkeys like no one said [TS]

00:04:37   the things happens it always happens the [TS]

00:04:39   first scene of the movie is the last [TS]

00:04:40   seen the movie and that's what that's [TS]

00:04:44   what I appreciate about 12 monkeys is I [TS]

00:04:46   really like its perspective on time [TS]

00:04:47   travel [TS]

00:04:48   you thought it was the hardest of I [TS]

00:04:50   would I thought that primer or primary [TS]

00:04:52   was it has the hardest take on time [TS]

00:04:55   travel and the 12 monkeys was artistic [TS]

00:04:58   license and it was it was it was not [TS]

00:05:00   answerable artistic license because they [TS]

00:05:02   wanted to be like they didn't want to go [TS]

00:05:04   for the happy ending but like it's like [TS]

00:05:07   they punted they weren't going to do [TS]

00:05:08   anything like it's a time travel movie [TS]

00:05:10   yes but I think I like its purity I like [TS]

00:05:13   the purity that the of saying there is [TS]

00:05:15   only one timeline and you don't even [TS]

00:05:17   need to wrap your head around everything [TS]

00:05:18   that is going to happen happened if you [TS]

00:05:20   send somebody back in time they're gonna [TS]

00:05:22   do what they did [TS]

00:05:24   there's only one stream and everything [TS]

00:05:26   is in that stream and there's no [TS]

00:05:27   changing anything and I thought that was [TS]

00:05:29   interesting because yeah because because [TS]

00:05:32   primer is not like that at all [TS]

00:05:34   correct but if you're going to have a [TS]

00:05:36   movie where ever there's only one [TS]

00:05:39   timeline i want more complicated things [TS]

00:05:41   to have happened in 12 monkeys only [TS]

00:05:44   really listened in on itself once and I [TS]

00:05:46   want to get really complicated dance and [TS]

00:05:48   I i don't think they needed to do lots [TS]

00:05:50   of looping stuff because i had the time [TS]

00:05:53   travel part 12mon cases is like less [TS]

00:05:55   important i think then because it's [TS]

00:05:58   unlike unlike the other movies there is [TS]

00:06:00   no authoritative voice in the movie [TS]

00:06:02   explain do you have time travel works [TS]

00:06:03   you have these crazy scientists who [TS]

00:06:05   you're not sure about the competence of [TS]

00:06:07   the scientists and quotes you have a [TS]

00:06:09   crazy you have a crazy person who had [TS]

00:06:11   various points what they do what they do [TS]

00:06:13   more in 12 monkeys at a time families [TS]

00:06:15   they do the unreliable narrator things [TS]

00:06:17   like wait a second maybe there is no [TS]

00:06:18   timetable this guy is really nuts and [TS]

00:06:20   they don't go heavily into that but that [TS]

00:06:21   it's more of that kind of movie than it [TS]

00:06:23   is a time-travel Murray and this goes is [TS]

00:06:25   nobody it being crazy when he jumps and [TS]

00:06:29   then he sort of gradually becomes less [TS]

00:06:31   crazy which I liked it's like a symptom [TS]

00:06:33   of being described as he is nuts but he [TS]

00:06:36   is the main voice like because he says [TS]

00:06:39   you're already dead to me because he [TS]

00:06:40   says you can't change that he is our [TS]

00:06:42   he's the only person we have telling us [TS]

00:06:43   have the rules of time travel movie for [TS]

00:06:45   the most part and are we supposed to [TS]

00:06:47   believe him [TS]

00:06:48   nothing i can do is change you're all [TS]

00:06:49   going to die anyway pop what does he [TS]

00:06:51   know about time travel he's it has he [TS]

00:06:52   been told this by authoritative people [TS]

00:06:54   are not even sure it but it's mostly [TS]

00:06:56   because they didn't want a hat like [TS]

00:06:57   that's not what the story is about the [TS]

00:06:58   story is about this guy and it's about [TS]

00:07:01   like the audience's hope that the world [TS]

00:07:03   will be saved and the directors desire [TS]

00:07:05   not to have that happen which I find [TS]

00:07:06   pleasing and and makes it a fun movie [TS]

00:07:09   for me up but it's almost like time [TS]

00:07:11   travel is not an important part of this [TS]

00:07:14   movie is just a and it's kind of like [TS]

00:07:16   they could have had a regular movie shot [TS]

00:07:18   out of sequence like the pulp fiction [TS]

00:07:19   type thing and had the same type of [TS]

00:07:21   effect you didn't need that i'm driving [TS]

00:07:23   seat for me i have this thing where I [TS]

00:07:26   you know I'm not a huge fan of all [TS]

00:07:28   genres of sci-fi but time-traveling that [TS]

00:07:30   will always suck me in any medium and I [TS]

00:07:33   feel like 12 monkeys sucks most of the [TS]

00:07:37   fun out of time travel it takes a very [TS]

00:07:40   sort of basic take on it with no fancy [TS]

00:07:44   fullness which I am craving and I don't [TS]

00:07:47   know I I saw that movie knowing nothing [TS]

00:07:49   about it if you can imagine me not [TS]

00:07:50   knowing anything about a movie talking [TS]

00:07:51   and I I was not surprised by I like to [TS]

00:07:55   be surprised by time travel to like I [TS]

00:07:56   want to be surprised by was possible but [TS]

00:07:58   it's sort of i don't call it exactly [TS]

00:08:01   predictable but it feels to Pat I think [TS]

00:08:04   there's too fine a point on it i can see [TS]

00:08:07   that i mean it is directly predictable [TS]

00:08:08   in that you can see that first scene and [TS]

00:08:10   kind of expect what's gonna happen [TS]

00:08:11   although they try to misdirect you but [TS]

00:08:14   like what i liked about it is that it [TS]

00:08:15   was a straight line and I I've seen so [TS]

00:08:18   many twisty time travel movies that I [TS]

00:08:19   don't know there's something about [TS]

00:08:20   seeing something that's a little bit a [TS]

00:08:23   little bit more straightforward i also [TS]

00:08:25   like the fact that he goes back and [TS]

00:08:26   forth and that you know it's not that [TS]

00:08:29   he's unstuck he's he's just kind of [TS]

00:08:30   alternating back and forth [TS]

00:08:32   I don't know it also it's one of the [TS]

00:08:34   more coherent terry gilliam movies ever [TS]

00:08:37   it was fun it's one of the most [TS]

00:08:40   conventional movies and yeah i think the [TS]

00:08:42   things that are good about it are the [TS]

00:08:44   Gilliam things like it has charm and [TS]

00:08:46   character and whacking is I think it has [TS]

00:08:48   one of the best crazy Brad Pitt [TS]

00:08:49   performances but she came to do many [TS]

00:08:51   performances they were like that but i [TS]

00:08:53   think this is one of the best ones [TS]

00:08:54   Bruce Willis's yeah I like I would [TS]

00:08:57   really like brad pitt's crazy person [TS]

00:08:58   performances it's sort of like is the [TS]

00:09:00   baseline for crazy bread [TS]

00:09:01   and other boys reason similar things [TS]

00:09:03   that have no idea where I thought this [TS]

00:09:04   one was charming was like that's what [TS]

00:09:06   the movie is supposed to be like they're [TS]

00:09:07   it's not time bandits right but it's a [TS]

00:09:09   little bit wacky a little bit dark a [TS]

00:09:11   little bit weird and that's what's [TS]

00:09:12   interesting about this movie i think the [TS]

00:09:13   weakest part of the movie are we [TS]

00:09:14   watching it is the parts are trying to [TS]

00:09:17   be like a regular Hollywood movie like [TS]

00:09:18   the female love interest yeah her [TS]

00:09:20   character arc is not believable and [TS]

00:09:22   silly and you know that she's from [TS]

00:09:23   another movie and you don't care about [TS]

00:09:25   that you just want to see wacky [TS]

00:09:26   scientists guys and bruce willis not [TS]

00:09:29   knowing what's going on and failing to [TS]

00:09:30   save the world like that's what i want [TS]

00:09:31   to see i love the scientists to the [TS]

00:09:33   that's a Gilliam moment that you almost [TS]

00:09:35   right out of Brazil that I love is the [TS]

00:09:37   rig that they put him in a high chair [TS]

00:09:39   and there's the weird rigged with this [TS]

00:09:41   monitors on it in the various British [TS]

00:09:43   actors her [TS]

00:09:45   there's a shot of them all looming over [TS]

00:09:47   him that's just like a shot in Brazil [TS]

00:09:49   where they think I mean yeah never been [TS]

00:09:52   a big painting hanging over to give him [TS]

00:09:53   something pleasing to look at because I [TS]

00:09:55   we have an unbelievable underground and [TS]

00:09:57   then these terrible cages and he's some [TS]

00:09:58   kind of criminal and how to time travel [TS]

00:10:00   happens without special effects and [TS]

00:10:02   without any sort of pomp and [TS]

00:10:04   circumstance for the most part is [TS]

00:10:05   refreshing i really like and I don't [TS]

00:10:08   think I notice the first time i watch [TS]

00:10:09   this movie I really like how when he [TS]

00:10:11   first tries to escape he ends up at a at [TS]

00:10:14   like a cat scan and it's the big tube [TS]

00:10:17   that they're sticking a guy into and he [TS]

00:10:19   really recoiled at that and then later [TS]

00:10:20   we see [TS]

00:10:21   oh that's pretty much how they do the [TS]

00:10:22   time travel is they put a wrap them in [TS]

00:10:24   plastic and and shove them into it you [TS]

00:10:26   know what plastic is essential part of [TS]

00:10:28   their technique clearly the clear [TS]

00:10:30   plastic a plastic environment suits all [TS]

00:10:32   like the electrodes that they want to [TS]

00:10:33   have their cake and eat it too that you [TS]

00:10:35   want to be a silly movie and be whacking [TS]

00:10:37   everything but they do want to have time [TS]

00:10:39   travel but they don't want to explain it [TS]

00:10:40   in anyway and so like they kind of [TS]

00:10:42   trying to walk a line between don't take [TS]

00:10:43   this seriously but do take it seriously [TS]

00:10:45   because like you know that it's the type [TS]

00:10:47   of movie like look at they are human [TS]

00:10:49   races and beaten down to the apartment [TS]

00:10:50   living underground and this is the time [TS]

00:10:52   they discovered time travel that's not [TS]

00:10:53   how you know it makes no sense right but [TS]

00:10:55   you but not a type of movie you must [TS]

00:10:56   think about that desperate times John [TS]

00:10:58   call for desperate time travel measures [TS]

00:11:00   but would it still be plausible because [TS]

00:11:03   I've been part of the in seeing the [TS]

00:11:05   movie is like is bristles character [TS]

00:11:06   crazy or not right and if they had a [TS]

00:11:09   whole thing where like they explain this [TS]

00:11:11   is how time travel works and he [TS]

00:11:12   understands that he knows how he's gonna [TS]

00:11:13   be traveled [TS]

00:11:14   you know transported back right like [TS]

00:11:15   they never get into that he's just back [TS]

00:11:17   whenever you know had some arbitrary [TS]

00:11:19   amount of time I mean if they explained [TS]

00:11:21   that wouldn't that kind of I feel like [TS]

00:11:23   that kind of week in the question that [TS]

00:11:25   the first half of the movie ass in terms [TS]

00:11:27   of like is he crazy or not right if you [TS]

00:11:29   like by keeping it vague [TS]

00:11:31   it makes it to a certain extent unclear [TS]

00:11:34   it's unreliable narrator more than time [TS]

00:11:36   travel paradoxes and stuff yeah I mean I [TS]

00:11:39   i really like 12 monkeys but it's really [TS]

00:11:41   unclear what type of movie it is right [TS]

00:11:43   is a science fiction movie is a terrible [TS]

00:11:44   movie within science fiction genre is a [TS]

00:11:46   dark comedy is it this weird love story [TS]

00:11:49   that attacked in there also it's like [TS]

00:11:50   it's all these things which I think are [TS]

00:11:52   interesting but it's kind of jumbled and [TS]

00:11:54   unclear i love this movie [TS]

00:11:56   I really do but i think you're right i [TS]

00:11:58   think and i think i think john hit on it [TS]

00:12:00   too which is in some ways the time [TS]

00:12:03   travel time travel and 12 monkeys is the [TS]

00:12:05   way they do the out-of-sequence [TS]

00:12:08   storytelling that ever since pulp [TS]

00:12:10   fiction pretty much every other movie [TS]

00:12:11   does and accepted 12 monkeys [TS]

00:12:14   it's telling a linear story from bruce [TS]

00:12:17   willis's perspective but it's not linear [TS]

00:12:19   in terms of time which i think is kind [TS]

00:12:21   of interesting without it being the [TS]

00:12:23   point of the movie because the point of [TS]

00:12:24   the movie isn't that the point of the [TS]

00:12:25   movie is this inevitability that he's [TS]

00:12:28   you know there are lots of non tried [TS]

00:12:29   time travel movies where the protagonist [TS]

00:12:30   is inevitably going to reach his [TS]

00:12:32   destination and you maybe there's been a [TS]

00:12:34   for uh you know flash forward every or [TS]

00:12:38   it's told in flashback and here you know [TS]

00:12:40   instead time travel is the device that [TS]

00:12:42   we use to basically say that humanity is [TS]

00:12:44   hurtling toward disaster and then what [TS]

00:12:47   what caused it and then you have to [TS]

00:12:48   wonder so that you know it's a different [TS]

00:12:50   use of time travel works or not the [TS]

00:12:52   point [TS]

00:12:52   it's almost just like a narrative device [TS]

00:12:54   to tell the story but i do like this [TS]

00:12:57   movie and I love some of terry gilliam's [TS]

00:13:00   movies and why I you know what I [TS]

00:13:01   mentioned it earlier i really mean of [TS]

00:13:03   one of the things i like about this [TS]

00:13:04   movie is that it is Gilliam button down [TS]

00:13:07   just enough that i didn't write it [TS]

00:13:10   somewhere we have some of his excesses [TS]

00:13:12   are not on display but it's still [TS]

00:13:15   interesting i like the Surrey ality of [TS]

00:13:18   the beginning part and I because i think [TS]

00:13:21   it's sort of illustrates the [TS]

00:13:23   unreliable narrator because maybe they [TS]

00:13:26   are perfectly normal scientists and [TS]

00:13:28   maybe this is a perfectly normal [TS]

00:13:29   facility but maybe we're perceiving it [TS]

00:13:32   through bruce willis's eyes and going ok [TS]

00:13:34   this is really weird and he's freaking [TS]

00:13:37   out and then all of a sudden he's in the [TS]

00:13:38   past [TS]

00:13:40   David David people's by the way who who [TS]

00:13:41   r Blade Runner and Unforgiven is the [TS]

00:13:44   co-writer of this movie so it's an [TS]

00:13:46   interesting screenwriter to has anybody [TS]

00:13:48   seen the french film that it's based on [TS]

00:13:50   my youtube i believe i have shit a [TS]

00:13:53   logitech no well no nobody has seen that [TS]

00:13:57   movie I yeah I have a I have a link to [TS]

00:14:01   it in fact the users attention to have [TS]

00:14:03   seen it and they've left terrible [TS]

00:14:06   comments about that that's not yes it's [TS]

00:14:10   interesting it's well it's all it's all [TS]

00:14:12   done in photographs he couldn't that the [TS]

00:14:15   guy who made it couldn't get a film [TS]

00:14:16   camera so it's all it's like a Ken Burns [TS]

00:14:19   action film was it's like sliding across [TS]

00:14:23   photographs and zooming in and zooming [TS]

00:14:26   out [TS]

00:14:27   yeah does not sound appealing know it's [TS]

00:14:31   like French new way of with more action [TS]

00:14:34   than some of those movies [TS]

00:14:37   yeah I I so so i like i like this movie [TS]

00:14:41   a lot that's why that's why I tossed it [TS]

00:14:42   in here and i'm intrigued by the way [TS]

00:14:44   that it uses time travel but it's not a [TS]

00:14:46   movie about time travel [TS]

00:14:48   so you know I like that a lot more when [TS]

00:14:50   i saw when it was released because I [TS]

00:14:52   guess I was a lot younger and now i'm [TS]

00:14:53   still charmed by it but now I see that [TS]

00:14:55   did that's problem i I'm right there [TS]

00:14:58   with you this was a five-star kind of [TS]

00:14:59   movie when it came out for me and now [TS]

00:15:01   when I look at it I i I'm that's exactly [TS]

00:15:03   what I'm charmed by it but some of the [TS]

00:15:05   stuff in and madeleine stowe you know [TS]

00:15:07   she's she's nice and all but her [TS]

00:15:09   character is a kind of a disaster [TS]

00:15:12   because it she never does she outside [TS]

00:15:15   the first five minutes she's on screen I [TS]

00:15:17   think she never does anything that makes [TS]

00:15:19   any sense that any human being would [TS]

00:15:21   ever behave the way that she does and [TS]

00:15:24   she doesn't act like a nap someone in a [TS]

00:15:25   terry gilliam move if she did that [TS]

00:15:27   they're like all right it doesn't act [TS]

00:15:28   like a normal person but she's wacky and [TS]

00:15:30   crazy she's just like just like from [TS]

00:15:32   another movie has no inkling that he [TS]

00:15:34   might actually be from the future for a [TS]

00:15:35   very long [TS]

00:15:36   time and then all of a sudden she [TS]

00:15:37   believes it's like her arc is not [TS]

00:15:39   yeah that's that's ok when she gets [TS]

00:15:41   there that she might start believing it [TS]

00:15:42   but she's like sticking around with this [TS]

00:15:46   guy and I never believed that she's [TS]

00:15:48   doing it because she you know she's just [TS]

00:15:51   a bleeding-heart who wants to make sure [TS]

00:15:53   he's taken care of [TS]

00:15:55   I just I never get that from her there's [TS]

00:15:57   a little hook up like she remembers him [TS]

00:15:59   from somewhere but like it its it's not [TS]

00:16:01   enough right it's just she would have [TS]

00:16:02   remembered it because the child actor [TS]

00:16:04   they got the papers will look nothing [TS]

00:16:05   like him and that happens later and that [TS]

00:16:08   child was Joseph Gordon know I feel bad [TS]

00:16:10   that I don't like about monkeys more [TS]

00:16:12   because i love time travel movies i love [TS]

00:16:14   Terry Gilliam I like Bruce Willis I like [TS]

00:16:16   Brad Pitt can't stand this movie [TS]

00:16:20   Wow and 'iblame brad pitt's he just [TS]

00:16:22   really gets on my nerves he's acting I [TS]

00:16:24   don't think he's acting like a crazy [TS]

00:16:25   person he's acting like somebody acting [TS]

00:16:28   crazy just wonder why he's acting like [TS]

00:16:30   crazy Brad Pitt which is different [TS]

00:16:32   yeah crazy bread print is the thing he [TS]

00:16:34   thinks that crazy is you talk really [TS]

00:16:36   fast and you repeat some of your [TS]

00:16:38   dialogue but I I'm not charmed by I'm [TS]

00:16:40   not charmed by his performance is I [TS]

00:16:42   think he's hit his gestures and his [TS]

00:16:44   physical comedy in this with this black [TS]

00:16:46   stuff he's not believable it's not like [TS]

00:16:48   in a serious movie would be a crazy guy [TS]

00:16:50   he's a crazy guy is crazy for comments a [TS]

00:16:52   straight stage East AG performance right [TS]

00:16:55   how special needs to get him into his [TS]

00:16:57   own room because nobody's getting any [TS]

00:16:58   sleep no sleep gonna get better know [TS]

00:17:02   what is what is wrong hospital [TS]

00:17:04   plus he gets a key from somewhere how [TS]

00:17:06   does that happen [TS]

00:17:07   I don't know where it got it either [TS]

00:17:09   first you know like present-day [TS]

00:17:11   philadelphia and baltimore don't [TS]

00:17:13   actually look that much worse then [TS]

00:17:14   post-apocalyptic underground yeah [TS]

00:17:17   seriously I was trying to think like [TS]

00:17:18   we're gonna shoot this they have to make [TS]

00:17:20   all sides understand our plants it's [TS]

00:17:22   it's all there is no sleep they had no [TS]

00:17:24   sound stages for stuff it's all power [TS]

00:17:26   plants and they have a building with [TS]

00:17:27   like pillars on it somewhere and they [TS]

00:17:29   put like homeless people just all over [TS]

00:17:30   like would put a building that nice have [TS]

00:17:32   that many homeless people swarming on it [TS]

00:17:34   spoiler Philadelphia remind me not to [TS]

00:17:39   visit any other thoughts about twelve [TS]

00:17:41   Monkeys before we we move on to another [TS]

00:17:43   bit of time travel could use more [TS]

00:17:45   monkeys more much [TS]

00:17:47   there's a lot of markets people [TS]

00:17:48   speculate there are 12 [TS]

00:17:49   monkeys in their arm someone maybe he [TS]

00:17:52   used too many monkeys there's a lot of [TS]

00:17:54   there's a monkey that goes down the hole [TS]

00:17:55   which is like you know let's be a [TS]

00:17:58   parallel for you know Bruce will is not [TS]

00:17:59   a continuity error to for the living [TS]

00:18:01   among I said the sandwiches in tin foil [TS]

00:18:03   but it's actually a plastic bag [TS]

00:18:05   yeah like that's an unreliable what you [TS]

00:18:06   take the word of like a guy hanging [TS]

00:18:07   outside the mansion while the rumors we [TS]

00:18:09   trips where you get your news the rumors [TS]

00:18:11   weren't true they they didn't actually [TS]

00:18:13   lower a monkey with a temple i am [TS]

00:18:14   prepared to defend almost on the pics of [TS]

00:18:16   12 monkeys to do you know they fired [TS]

00:18:18   monkeys into the TimeGate in Southland [TS]

00:18:20   Tales maybe this isn't the same universe [TS]

00:18:22   one of the things i like about this [TS]

00:18:24   movie is the is the appearance and and [TS]

00:18:28   they overplayed a little bit in a scene [TS]

00:18:30   that again I will just not resemble the [TS]

00:18:32   president president the presentation of [TS]

00:18:34   an academic paper that exist in any [TS]

00:18:38   universe where Madeline stones got her [TS]

00:18:40   various slides that she's speaking to a [TS]

00:18:42   rap yeah mostly empty room of sight [TS]

00:18:46   khayat rest's historians I don't even [TS]

00:18:48   know what but i like the idea that these [TS]

00:18:50   guys in the future had been just [TS]

00:18:52   randomly shooting people through history [TS]

00:18:55   trying to get information and the end [TS]

00:18:58   that they're the source of these tales [TS]

00:19:01   of the Apocalypse from history [TS]

00:19:03   I always thought that was kind of fun [TS]

00:19:04   yeah they're very good at the joke it [TS]

00:19:06   you know science isn't an exact science [TS]

00:19:08   okay right right on the money cut to you [TS]

00:19:10   know you're in the trench warfare and [TS]

00:19:11   friend out the whole idea of getting [TS]

00:19:13   information from the from the past by [TS]

00:19:16   like recovering like the only thing that [TS]

00:19:18   survived which is like some ladies [TS]

00:19:20   answering machine you know [TS]

00:19:21   yes a voicemail from some random thing [TS]

00:19:23   like that's all they have to go on right [TS]

00:19:25   and what they didn't plan for it right [TS]

00:19:26   it's no one plans for the apocalypse is [TS]

00:19:28   the wilder the first guy comes back you [TS]

00:19:30   think they come up with a better plan [TS]

00:19:31   than leave a message on the answering [TS]

00:19:33   machine if it's after we've gotten the [TS]

00:19:35   phone number they get to time travel but [TS]

00:19:36   they can't do you know anything else [TS]

00:19:39   that's sophisticated or interesting it's [TS]

00:19:41   easy to leave a message for the future [TS]

00:19:43   is sketching on a rock or something [TS]

00:19:46   well I think they would they knew what [TS]

00:19:47   answering machines they had access to [TS]

00:19:49   and so they should call this one and I'm [TS]

00:19:52   gonna make sense and then I that that's [TS]

00:19:54   one of those rare time-travel real time [TS]

00:19:56   travel moments in this movie is where [TS]

00:19:58   bruce willis leaves his message and then [TS]

00:20:00   immediately his buddy John Cena from [TS]

00:20:02   homicide who I really didn't like on [TS]

00:20:04   homicide is it says appears and he's [TS]

00:20:08   like yeah we got your message my god [TS]

00:20:10   yeah at time travel movie there any [TS]

00:20:11   hands on the ridiculous like kinda [TS]

00:20:13   here's a gun that you need for something [TS]

00:20:15   seeing the airport data that movie so [TS]

00:20:17   much all I know if two metal detectors [TS]

00:20:19   and he's handing him a gun while they go [TS]

00:20:21   down the escalator and everything they [TS]

00:20:23   could fight your way through security on [TS]

00:20:24   that whole scene is shot in the [TS]

00:20:26   philadelphia convention center [TS]

00:20:28   oh and I've been to conferences there [TS]

00:20:29   you walk down that big hallway when the [TS]

00:20:31   stairs on either side you hear the whole [TS]

00:20:32   accordion music is your water is no [TS]

00:20:34   accordion music and it's much better lit [TS]

00:20:36   um but yeah you know they've gotten much [TS]

00:20:38   better at sending people into time once [TS]

00:20:40   they send John Sita they sent him to [TS]

00:20:42   exactly the right square foot- it it's a [TS]

00:20:46   shotgun approach you know how many times [TS]

00:20:48   he's been sent and where everything is [TS]

00:20:50   that you don't know but we don't know [TS]

00:20:51   that he could have been hanging around [TS]

00:20:52   he has been eating sandwiches at the [TS]

00:20:55   airport waiting six months I'd watch [TS]

00:20:58   that movie but it's the terminal well [TS]

00:21:01   sandwiches [TS]

00:21:02   I mean him showing up is need from a [TS]

00:21:04   time travel but it doesn't quite make [TS]

00:21:05   sense in terms of like what is Bruce was [TS]

00:21:06   actually supposed to do [TS]

00:21:08   yeah didn't enjoy that part in the movie [TS]

00:21:10   the audience's is still it is like you [TS]

00:21:13   moved on to the Bruce Willis has to save [TS]

00:21:15   the world because that [TS]

00:21:16   yeah okay whatever the disappointment [TS]

00:21:19   yes but that's what they're playing on a [TS]

00:21:20   certain point of the movie makes you [TS]

00:21:22   believe that it will be possible for [TS]

00:21:24   Bruce will save the world that it takes [TS]

00:21:25   that away which is what strongly about [TS]

00:21:27   it see if you're a scientist the first [TS]

00:21:29   thing you do when you have time travel [TS]

00:21:31   is find out if you can change the past [TS]

00:21:33   we should have found that out before [TS]

00:21:34   sending bruce willis back yeah maybe [TS]

00:21:37   they could have just screwed up [TS]

00:21:38   that's true maybe just bad luck ellipse [TS]

00:21:40   they're doing the best they can they're [TS]

00:21:42   not the best scientists they're the only [TS]

00:21:44   science that's that's why before you [TS]

00:21:46   move off this movie that is actually my [TS]

00:21:47   favorite part of this movies in the very [TS]

00:21:49   end sequence when you've got [TS]

00:21:50   what's-his-name with the ponytail going [TS]

00:21:52   through a divorce [TS]

00:21:53   yeah and they want and they you know [TS]

00:21:55   this point you're still waiting for [TS]

00:21:56   Bruce Willis to save the world and got [TS]

00:21:58   the woman and they're going to go off [TS]

00:21:59   together whatever and I think the 12 [TS]

00:22:01   monkeys were just letting the animals [TS]

00:22:02   are no big deal and they guy insist on [TS]

00:22:05   seeing the stuff they're doing that [TS]

00:22:06   tension thing you think it's to be like [TS]

00:22:07   oh don't worry they're gonna break or [TS]

00:22:09   something the guy asked them to open so [TS]

00:22:10   sure pop and like that's the end of it [TS]

00:22:12   with you [TS]

00:22:13   that's the end of the movie opens the [TS]

00:22:15   thing up before the actual end of the [TS]

00:22:16   movie was yesterday everything right [TS]

00:22:18   that is the great gut-punch of like [TS]

00:22:20   world so how does not gonna be that kind [TS]

00:22:22   of movie and it's not actually the end [TS]

00:22:23   of the movies we still have the steaks [TS]

00:22:25   like crystal is what happens to him or [TS]

00:22:26   whatever that I love that I love that [TS]

00:22:28   that's definitely terry gilliam thing [TS]

00:22:30   it's like we're not going to say that is [TS]

00:22:32   a big dramatic reveal we're not going to [TS]

00:22:33   have a scene where we build tension but [TS]

00:22:34   he just puts the miles away he's gonna [TS]

00:22:36   pop that sucker open let the guys smell [TS]

00:22:37   it game over and then everything else [TS]

00:22:39   like he's just off to travel the rest of [TS]

00:22:41   the world look at that point you know [TS]

00:22:42   things are not going well so that I [TS]

00:22:44   really like that and then the scientists [TS]

00:22:46   on the airplane has that great line [TS]

00:22:48   I'm in insurance yeah I like that that's [TS]

00:22:50   that moment of that's your little moment [TS]

00:22:52   of Hope right is that now they figured [TS]

00:22:54   it out the end or maybe or not I guess [TS]

00:22:58   some people speculate that scientists is [TS]

00:23:00   there to maintain the position of [TS]

00:23:02   authority that the scientists have in [TS]

00:23:04   there you know dystopian future where [TS]

00:23:06   they get to you know hang out and you [TS]

00:23:08   know behind tables and yelling inmates i [TS]

00:23:10   prefer to believe that that's the shows [TS]

00:23:12   that Bruce Willis you know even though [TS]

00:23:13   he died he succeeded in and saving your [TS]

00:23:17   getting the information they needed to [TS]

00:23:19   figure out what caused the virus but you [TS]

00:23:22   could be its come on give me a little [TS]

00:23:24   shred of hope in this bleak do you [TS]

00:23:26   prefer like Bruce Willis as as Christ [TS]

00:23:29   figure interpretation of 12 12 12 [TS]

00:23:30   monkeys sure 12 monkeys will be back in [TS]

00:23:33   11 mungkin 613 monkeys do not know how [TS]

00:23:36   this normal what's going back we kill me [TS]

00:23:38   kill a monkey every time until they're [TS]

00:23:40   no more monkeys the hope at the end of [TS]

00:23:41   this movie is that the animals rule the [TS]

00:23:43   world and are happy and find all those [TS]

00:23:45   people are gone and I get around these [TS]

00:23:46   cool buildings that's that I think that [TS]

00:23:48   line is not gonna like a winter in [TS]

00:23:50   Philadelphia gonna it was there in the [TS]

00:23:52   winter in the zoo anyway yeah yeah the [TS]

00:23:55   other 12 monkeys is essentially planet [TS]

00:23:56   of the apes and John's wide planted here [TS]

00:24:01   and slide around on that would be much [TS]

00:24:03   much bigger makeup challenge planning on [TS]

00:24:05   the drafts and yeah you there Lex i have [TS]

00:24:09   here yes well I you know I like what I [TS]

00:24:11   what I do so I i want to thank our [TS]

00:24:12   sponsor and when I do that I like to [TS]

00:24:14   have people with me on this journey [TS]

00:24:16   because i think it's a much more [TS]

00:24:17   interesting thing where when we're [TS]

00:24:19   talking about the sponsor together and [TS]

00:24:20   and I i know that you are well versed in [TS]

00:24:24   in in hover I him [TS]

00:24:27   it's true however is an excellent [TS]

00:24:29   company where they've got you can get [TS]

00:24:32   your own domain there's a maiden name [TS]

00:24:33   registrar that's right that you get your [TS]

00:24:35   own domain and can be not just calm [TS]

00:24:38   although I and you think all the [TS]

00:24:39   dot-coms are gone i want i went on [TS]

00:24:41   however the other day and and [TS]

00:24:43   register.com in about two minutes [TS]

00:24:46   I got it paid for it and it was it was a [TS]

00:24:50   visible in my web browser in like less [TS]

00:24:52   than five minutes and and here's the [TS]

00:24:54   thing you might have noticed is that [TS]

00:24:55   unlike many competitive competing [TS]

00:24:58   registrars you did not get interrupted [TS]

00:25:00   with a million upsells along the way [TS]

00:25:02   like pay extra for privacy guard and pay [TS]

00:25:04   extra for faster registration and [TS]

00:25:06   whatever they don't they don't do the [TS]

00:25:07   upsells that ever which is nice i was [TS]

00:25:09   impressed that it's our it's a very [TS]

00:25:11   simple easy-to-use mean I've registered [TS]

00:25:13   a lot of domains and a lot of different [TS]

00:25:15   registers over the years and going to [TS]

00:25:18   hover it was like I said it was super [TS]

00:25:20   easy and fast in and and I appreciate [TS]

00:25:23   that plus they've got I mean I mentioned [TS]

00:25:25   dot-com but they've got all the domain [TS]

00:25:27   endings the dot codes that TV is just [TS]

00:25:30   about anything you can think about so [TS]

00:25:31   you so if you've got something like I [TS]

00:25:33   registered a domain for for the book [TS]

00:25:35   that I'm writing because I'm gonna wanna [TS]

00:25:36   I'm gonna want to promote it when when I [TS]

00:25:38   publish it and it took no time at all [TS]

00:25:41   and you can do all that dns matcha [TS]

00:25:44   nations to set it up to point to a [TS]

00:25:45   specific server or it's also got like [TS]

00:25:47   easy redirect support when you check a [TS]

00:25:49   box and put in a URL you want to [TS]

00:25:51   redirect your domain to and boom it's [TS]

00:25:53   done and that's what I did and it was it [TS]

00:25:55   was done in minutes and then they also [TS]

00:25:57   offer they offer email services so that [TS]

00:26:01   you can for for a really low price [TS]

00:26:04   add-on you can add in email addresses or [TS]

00:26:07   even a blanket email addresses for [TS]

00:26:09   domain so if you want to receive email [TS]

00:26:11   you can do it and have all forward to [TS]

00:26:13   your gmail account or any other account [TS]

00:26:15   that you've got which I think it's [TS]

00:26:16   pretty cool so basically it's trying to [TS]

00:26:17   if you want to have that place on the [TS]

00:26:19   web that you can point to it with hover [TS]

00:26:21   it it demystifies all that you don't [TS]

00:26:25   have to go through the rigmarole it used [TS]

00:26:27   to be back in the old days when when I [TS]

00:26:29   registered my first domain it was like [TS]

00:26:31   cracking cracking a code and like a you [TS]

00:26:35   need a time-travel scientists from 12 [TS]

00:26:37   monkeys to figure it out [TS]

00:26:39   and you know the the truly magical thing [TS]

00:26:41   with her besides the fact that you know [TS]

00:26:43   it's got that non it's got a nice design [TS]

00:26:45   it's the rare domain registrar that [TS]

00:26:46   isn't totally cluttered as you look at [TS]

00:26:48   it but when you call them and they're [TS]

00:26:50   open from eight am-2 a p.m. eastern time [TS]

00:26:52   when you call them at their toll free [TS]

00:26:53   number you never hear music a human [TS]

00:26:55   being answers the phone actual human you [TS]

00:26:58   don't have to leave a message that the [TS]

00:27:00   people in the future after the [TS]

00:27:01   apocalypse will get it and i use their [TS]

00:27:04   there they want their valet transfer [TS]

00:27:07   service so you call them up and you say [TS]

00:27:09   here's the main want to transfer from [TS]

00:27:10   this other crappy registrar and transfer [TS]

00:27:11   to you and I was like okay we'll take [TS]

00:27:13   care of it and they do it all they do [TS]

00:27:14   all the work for you don't do anything [TS]

00:27:16   that's pretty cool and I the other thing [TS]

00:27:18   i want to mention about however was they [TS]

00:27:21   are part of two cows which has been on [TS]

00:27:23   the in the Mac community for ages now [TS]

00:27:27   they've been around since 94 [TS]

00:27:28   if you remember two cows the website and [TS]

00:27:31   shareware reviews and things like that [TS]

00:27:33   maybe they are they become one of the [TS]

00:27:35   largest domain registers in the world [TS]

00:27:36   but they're they're humble beginnings [TS]

00:27:38   were actually the very Mac friendly kind [TS]

00:27:42   of beginning and there and there they're [TS]

00:27:44   still very nice people but they're there [TS]

00:27:47   are people and now they've become this [TS]

00:27:49   wild success in this other area so let's [TS]

00:27:52   now is the time where I should probably [TS]

00:27:53   give everybody the secret code which is [TS]

00:27:55   also my favorite URL on the entire [TS]

00:27:58   internet this week what is that URL if [TS]

00:28:00   I'm glad you asked it is hovered calm / [TS]

00:28:03   incomparable what do i get if i go there [TS]

00:28:05   do you know i do you get ten percent off [TS]

00:28:09   of whatever you by using that code ten [TS]

00:28:12   percent off [TS]

00:28:14   wow you just put it put it in you can [TS]

00:28:16   also if you go just hover com you can [TS]

00:28:18   put in the code and comfortable but the [TS]

00:28:20   easiest way it will automatically be [TS]

00:28:21   applied to your order hover com / [TS]

00:28:23   incomparable so if you've got a domain [TS]

00:28:25   you don't want you don't fool around [TS]

00:28:27   with stuff you've already got a webhost [TS]

00:28:29   somewhere else maybe you can register [TS]

00:28:31   with her get that domain that you want [TS]

00:28:34   and even just set it to forward and [TS]

00:28:36   start there and and you don't have to [TS]

00:28:37   configure any crazy dns anything and you [TS]

00:28:40   can get your website up and running and [TS]

00:28:41   then you can add some email to to it and [TS]

00:28:44   you no longer have to be just some guy @ [TS]

00:28:46   gmail.com you can have your whole any [TS]

00:28:49   domain you want as long as somebody else [TS]

00:28:51   doesn't have it but [TS]

00:28:52   they're out there i got a dot-com I got [TS]

00:28:54   a dot-com I thought they were all gone i [TS]

00:28:56   thought literally every alphabetical [TS]

00:28:58   combination in.com was taken and it's [TS]

00:29:00   not so so thanks to hover and thank you [TS]

00:29:04   Lex for coming along on my little helper [TS]

00:29:05   journey with me but thanks to her for [TS]

00:29:07   sponsoring the incomparable it's really [TS]

00:29:08   great and thanks to them for letting me [TS]

00:29:10   register a domain in under five minutes [TS]

00:29:13   without any hassle that was pretty cool [TS]

00:29:16   yeah so let's talk about a another Bruce [TS]

00:29:20   Willis movie from of more recent vintage [TS]

00:29:23   which is looper is rian johnson's movie [TS]

00:29:26   from from last year from 2012 [TS]

00:29:28   I don't know what youre you're listening [TS]

00:29:31   to this podcast you could be the future [TS]

00:29:33   or the past by a time-travel we just [TS]

00:29:35   don't know but it was made in 2012 and [TS]

00:29:38   it's bruce willis and Joseph [TS]

00:29:40   gordon-levitt and I saw this movie on [TS]

00:29:42   home video I didn't see it when it was [TS]

00:29:43   out there so there was a lot of buzz [TS]

00:29:45   about it and people really liked it and [TS]

00:29:46   and you know this this is the movie [TS]

00:29:48   about the the time-traveling hitmen [TS]

00:29:51   let's just say the laws of time and [TS]

00:29:54   space are not adhere to as firmly and [TS]

00:29:58   looper as in other movies we're talking [TS]

00:30:01   about tonight would that be a fair [TS]

00:30:02   assessment [TS]

00:30:03   well it has a set of rules and it's very [TS]

00:30:05   clear about them but they're dumb rule [TS]

00:30:07   yeah as soon as they announced the rules [TS]

00:30:11   you're like this movie a lot but they're [TS]

00:30:12   dumb rules [TS]

00:30:13   yeah just like I complain about the [TS]

00:30:15   scientists and 12 monkeys I feel like [TS]

00:30:16   the Mafia looper could be taking much [TS]

00:30:18   better advantage of the rules of the [TS]

00:30:20   world they find themselves it well they [TS]

00:30:22   are criminals [TS]

00:30:23   yeah organized crime it's not that [TS]

00:30:26   organized like 12 monkeys like this is [TS]

00:30:29   what kind of branded down to the title [TS]

00:30:31   as a time travel movie but the that I [TS]

00:30:34   think the reason people got excited [TS]

00:30:35   about this movie is that it's a time [TS]

00:30:37   probably and another kind of movie that [TS]

00:30:39   you don't expect it to be right [TS]

00:30:41   so they have that you know that the [TS]

00:30:43   telekinesis thing like it around mid way [TS]

00:30:45   through the movie it shifts of like you [TS]

00:30:46   thought this movie is about time travel [TS]

00:30:48   actually this superpower is a kid that [TS]

00:30:50   super powers on a farm and that is like [TS]

00:30:52   that is really the the pros and honesty [TS]

00:30:55   time travel time travel tractor [TS]

00:30:56   time-travels para practica like just [TS]

00:30:58   like a backdrop for the story of this [TS]

00:31:00   kit [TS]

00:31:00   yeah and how much you're willing to buy [TS]

00:31:02   into that and how much you enjoy that [TS]

00:31:04   you just want to appear time travel [TS]

00:31:05   would you just want to rip our movie do [TS]

00:31:06   you want to mixed it's it's an [TS]

00:31:09   interesting mixture it's done and I [TS]

00:31:10   think that to the two generals are mixed [TS]

00:31:12   together not a clumsy way but more in [TS]

00:31:15   like he didn't care that these two [TS]

00:31:18   things like these to taste might not [TS]

00:31:20   taste great together they're gonna be [TS]

00:31:22   together and it's gonna you know it's [TS]

00:31:24   going to work out the purposes of the [TS]

00:31:25   story i like the idea of you meeting [TS]

00:31:30   your older self and the the rules that [TS]

00:31:33   have to be set up to the idea that we [TS]

00:31:34   kill i'm not quite sure I understand all [TS]

00:31:38   the mechanics of why they're killing who [TS]

00:31:41   they're killing when they're killing [TS]

00:31:43   them in the act of dumping people back [TS]

00:31:45   in time to kill them and all of that it [TS]

00:31:47   seems that seems like not a great use of [TS]

00:31:49   time travel but but when I just like [TS]

00:31:51   it's a Rube Goldberg machine yeah I do i [TS]

00:31:54   do like though the that it sets up this [TS]

00:31:56   yet you know young Joe and old Joe [TS]

00:31:58   meeting and interesting scenes with [TS]

00:32:00   Joseph gordon-levitt and bruce willis [TS]

00:32:02   and also i enjoy that [TS]

00:32:04   fast-forward of sort of like here's what [TS]

00:32:06   would have happened if you had killed [TS]

00:32:07   him then this is the life that you would [TS]

00:32:10   have led which is what leads him back [TS]

00:32:11   although again I i have that moment of [TS]

00:32:14   like we'll wait but if he came back and [TS]

00:32:15   now he didn't kill him why is he still [TS]

00:32:17   here and are these parallel universes [TS]

00:32:20   but no they're not because if you kill [TS]

00:32:21   yourself them things disappear and [TS]

00:32:23   there's no paradoxes paradoxes are [TS]

00:32:26   prohibited in this universe [TS]

00:32:27   sure well but what about things like [TS]

00:32:30   somebody watching his fingers disappear [TS]

00:32:33   yeah like that's a great comparison with [TS]

00:32:34   us back to you better not but back to [TS]

00:32:37   the future like that's a great [TS]

00:32:37   comparison because they both did very [TS]

00:32:39   similar things were like things that are [TS]

00:32:41   going on now somehow affect the past [TS]

00:32:44   which affect you in your current [TS]

00:32:45   situation which really makes no sense [TS]

00:32:47   but for some reason like in a silly you [TS]

00:32:50   know kind of adventure comedy romp movie [TS]

00:32:51   like back to the future find the guy's [TS]

00:32:53   hand phase-out was playing guitar [TS]

00:32:55   everyone's fine with it right in this [TS]

00:32:56   movie that was trying to be so like here [TS]

00:32:58   are rules or whatever that is perhaps [TS]

00:33:00   the dumbest rule that somehow because [TS]

00:33:02   we've got your other self and we cut off [TS]

00:33:04   his fingers now you find yourself back [TS]

00:33:06   in the exact same position you have been [TS]

00:33:07   before we didn't like everything else [TS]

00:33:09   happen exactly the same the only [TS]

00:33:10   difference is now you don't have your [TS]

00:33:11   fingers you would never be in the same [TS]

00:33:12   position and same generation if you [TS]

00:33:14   don't have your finger and you wouldn't [TS]

00:33:15   remember you would you be like oh I [TS]

00:33:17   always didn't have [TS]

00:33:17   finger instead of being like holy cow i [TS]

00:33:20   lost a finger will know you always [TS]

00:33:22   didn't have a finger and it's the same [TS]

00:33:24   and it's the same rules and more lessons [TS]

00:33:26   back to the future but totally just does [TS]

00:33:27   not work in this movie that rule doesn't [TS]

00:33:29   work here [TS]

00:33:30   I didn't like the finger stuff but I [TS]

00:33:32   totally was on board with you okay I'm [TS]

00:33:34   gonna scar myself now so that my older [TS]

00:33:36   self can suddenly get the message i like [TS]

00:33:38   that and that also seems like i got [TS]

00:33:40   really bad like it makes them leaving [TS]

00:33:42   messages on answering machine look like [TS]

00:33:43   look civilized it's it's a cool idea [TS]

00:33:47   it's you know it's so much easier in [TS]

00:33:48   building 10 like we're just going to [TS]

00:33:50   remember to do this later right right [TS]

00:33:51   yeah yeah it was a cool idea but it [TS]

00:33:55   didn't make a whole lot of sense i mean [TS]

00:33:57   I the way it's executed in the movie is [TS]

00:33:58   fascinating right it's like oh my God [TS]

00:34:00   look what's happening [TS]

00:34:01   I just feel like it would be easier to [TS]

00:34:02   take the guy you want to kill and send [TS]

00:34:04   it back in time into a volcano him into [TS]

00:34:06   the ocean [TS]

00:34:06   yea yea or just you know tell them right [TS]

00:34:09   there where you got them will be [TS]

00:34:12   actually have that one line that says [TS]

00:34:13   why they can't do that doesn't make [TS]

00:34:15   sense when you die [TS]

00:34:16   ok now for the ocean whatever thats [TS]

00:34:17   that's kind of why I find it refreshing [TS]

00:34:18   that by the end of the movie like people [TS]

00:34:21   are being torn apart by telekinesis and [TS]

00:34:22   like all right now we're getting [TS]

00:34:23   somewhere [TS]

00:34:23   yeah i did like the one seen the diner [TS]

00:34:26   where bruce willis just said it's [TS]

00:34:28   complicated [TS]

00:34:29   uh-huh we don't want to make diagrams [TS]

00:34:31   and stuff it will get you know like it's [TS]

00:34:33   fun in Back to the Future to where he [TS]

00:34:35   makes a diagram but the idea that they [TS]

00:34:37   made us think they were going to explain [TS]

00:34:39   the rules mother said ma'am yeah well I [TS]

00:34:41   didn't he didn't want to explain like [TS]

00:34:43   paradoxes and timelines they had [TS]

00:34:44   established the rules but it's like but [TS]

00:34:46   wait a second like the person the movie [TS]

00:34:47   is about to consider the dumb rules and [TS]

00:34:49   merciless don't think about the dumb [TS]

00:34:51   rules just like Bruce Willis in this too [TS]

00:34:55   I I think he's he's got this you know [TS]

00:34:58   he's he's tired and he's kind of old lug [TS]

00:35:01   and he's got regret and you know there [TS]

00:35:04   are a lot of things i like I liked about [TS]

00:35:05   him in this movie it is weird when it [TS]

00:35:07   turns into Chronicle toward the end [TS]

00:35:10   where it's all you nor the x-men it's [TS]

00:35:11   all this telekinesis and a showdown at a [TS]

00:35:13   farm and and it didn't go where I [TS]

00:35:15   expected it and I like the novelty of [TS]

00:35:17   that but uh I don't know that is for a [TS]

00:35:20   movie maybe the bar was set too high for [TS]

00:35:22   me going in and so my expectations were [TS]

00:35:24   just raised but I I I came out of this [TS]

00:35:26   movie thinking it was kind of a mess and [TS]

00:35:29   I [TS]

00:35:30   I i liked parts of it but i'm not sure i [TS]

00:35:32   liked it as a whole and that maybe it [TS]

00:35:34   was just overhyped maybe that's the [TS]

00:35:35   reason I felt that way [TS]

00:35:36   yeah I'm not gonna be like oh I liked [TS]

00:35:38   his older albums but brick when Perseus [TS]

00:35:41   i enjoy doing so much more than this [TS]

00:35:42   moving I thought brick was just [TS]

00:35:44   fantastic and I even like Terriers which [TS]

00:35:46   apparently also did an episode of [TS]

00:35:48   looking at IMDB page but I like this a [TS]

00:35:50   lot more than brick but break just you [TS]

00:35:52   know about the brother the brothers [TS]

00:35:53   bloom but no fans of that either [TS]

00:35:55   I I like that very much like that [TS]

00:35:56   haven't seen it you should see it [TS]

00:35:59   alright that's good and you should see [TS]

00:36:00   break if you haven't because i really [TS]

00:36:02   like that I think it's worth watching [TS]

00:36:03   it's very its kind of maybe it's like a [TS]

00:36:05   one-trick pony but that trick is really [TS]

00:36:06   good [TS]

00:36:07   everybody but me really likes it that if [TS]

00:36:10   mommy hates 12 monkeys so take that as [TS]

00:36:13   you ride with your head up with nothing [TS]

00:36:15   I like real film noir not see I don't [TS]

00:36:18   inject well I I didn't object to loopers [TS]

00:36:21   really lousy the time-travel rules [TS]

00:36:24   because I i like that at least seem to [TS]

00:36:26   to stick to them [TS]

00:36:28   the thing that took me out of the movie [TS]

00:36:30   but besides that third act where it's [TS]

00:36:31   now all about superheroes instead now [TS]

00:36:34   what was this notion that I'm I I don't [TS]

00:36:37   like when the same person is from two [TS]

00:36:40   different times fights with himself [TS]

00:36:42   because I I don't know I feel like if my [TS]

00:36:45   future self came to me I could be very [TS]

00:36:47   quickly convinced that we were the same [TS]

00:36:48   person you can make out the whole time [TS]

00:36:50   like right i don't understand most of [TS]

00:36:53   the time and like hash embrace but I [TS]

00:36:55   feel like there's it doesn't make any [TS]

00:36:56   sense to fight with a few yourself to me [TS]

00:36:58   that is a paradox much more than [TS]

00:36:59   anything else the movie doesn't make [TS]

00:37:00   sense [TS]

00:37:01   you gotta get along if my future self [TS]

00:37:02   game here we just sit in the corner talk [TS]

00:37:05   about how we're both the only two people [TS]

00:37:06   who don't like brick and we be [TS]

00:37:07   high-fiving would you not much to say no [TS]

00:37:10   it would be you know that's the thing [TS]

00:37:12   you already know what you're gonna tell [TS]

00:37:13   me about the future [TS]

00:37:14   I know what its gonna say now when I [TS]

00:37:16   still like hearing myself say it [TS]

00:37:18   wow you just blew my mind you just [TS]

00:37:21   explain podcasting I thought Joseph [TS]

00:37:26   gordon-levitt had a good job making [TS]

00:37:28   bruce willis his face [TS]

00:37:30   yeah yeah yeahs either miss facial [TS]

00:37:32   expression that will this does a lot [TS]

00:37:33   those good yeah that's sort of squinting [TS]

00:37:35   thing [TS]

00:37:37   yeah I fought him as the younger bruce [TS]

00:37:39   willis which and a lot of movies like [TS]

00:37:41   this you don't buy [TS]

00:37:42   right and he had to do homework where [TS]

00:37:43   they did some makeup and then he also [TS]

00:37:44   had to do acting because that's what it [TS]

00:37:46   really is is just gordon-levitt is [TS]

00:37:48   trying to be young Bruce Willis here [TS]

00:37:49   Bruce Willis's get trying to do anything [TS]

00:37:51   but here's what shows up [TS]

00:37:53   yeah it's not like faceoff where you [TS]

00:37:55   have two characters trying to meet in [TS]

00:37:56   the middle right nothing like thisoh [TS]

00:37:58   personal assistants Bruno I've returned [TS]

00:38:00   and that's it you just have to go with [TS]

00:38:02   it i also like that they should have new [TS]

00:38:04   parents watch this movie if you want to [TS]

00:38:05   know what it's like when kids have [TS]

00:38:06   tantrums [TS]

00:38:07   oh god yes blood everywhere yeah don't [TS]

00:38:10   have time to watch the looper they have [TS]

00:38:12   their kids having tantrums they can [TS]

00:38:15   watch the last hop just skip to the end [TS]

00:38:16   they can watch it in 10 minutes [TS]

00:38:17   installments over a couple of weeks [TS]

00:38:21   that's why do parents hate people who [TS]

00:38:22   don't have kids people who don't have [TS]

00:38:23   kids are all I saw this movie called [TS]

00:38:25   looper [TS]

00:38:26   yeah it was actually kind of liked that [TS]

00:38:29   movie it like i like that the idea of a [TS]

00:38:31   you know you had kids with super powers [TS]

00:38:33   and tianjin super what about like [TS]

00:38:35   toddlers supervisor because that seems [TS]

00:38:36   like a much bigger problem [TS]

00:38:38   yeah acre rotate great strips Superman's [TS]

00:38:41   babysitter go searching for that it's [TS]

00:38:44   great it's the problems a babysitter has [TS]

00:38:46   with Superman the toddler one of the [TS]

00:38:50   things i did like about looper was that [TS]

00:38:52   you know it so you have the time-travel [TS]

00:38:55   you have the the sort of mutant [TS]

00:38:57   superpower kid but you also have film [TS]

00:39:00   noir and you also have like Shane [TS]

00:39:03   basically you know your hero defending [TS]

00:39:06   the the woman and the child and I kinda [TS]

00:39:09   like that it it did take that Shane [TS]

00:39:13   template and then resolved it in a way [TS]

00:39:17   that Shane would never have done [TS]

00:39:19   although the kid would still go come [TS]

00:39:21   back trying not to spoil it but you know [TS]

00:39:26   and we will play the spoiler horn at the [TS]

00:39:28   end of the episode that it wasn't 12 and [TS]

00:39:30   12 monkeys the members forces all i see [TS]

00:39:32   are dead people i don't remember the [TS]

00:39:33   movies before after success before is [TS]

00:39:35   before four or maybe it was after [TS]

00:39:38   oh it was both it depends what time when [TS]

00:39:41   you're in [TS]

00:39:42   alright i did find it interesting too [TS]

00:39:44   that both 12 monkeys and looper don't [TS]

00:39:48   just deal with time travel but the idea [TS]

00:39:50   of the time-travel screws up your brain [TS]

00:39:52   right right [TS]

00:39:54   he's crazy and 12 monkeys and he's kind [TS]

00:39:57   of losing his mind the longer he's in [TS]

00:40:00   the past and looper which is weird but I [TS]

00:40:03   like it [TS]

00:40:03   well you know the idea that time travel [TS]

00:40:05   is a really bad idea [TS]

00:40:06   yes no on so many levels yeah and then [TS]

00:40:10   they organized crime comes in and they [TS]

00:40:11   put their own bad idea of how to time [TS]

00:40:13   travel on top of the bad idea [TS]

00:40:16   I feel like in addition to the just eat [TS]

00:40:17   the general idea of sending people back [TS]

00:40:19   in time not being a great idea [TS]

00:40:20   like why have people in charge of [TS]

00:40:22   killing themselves that seems like just [TS]

00:40:24   like that's an administrative decision [TS]

00:40:26   that they made that I don't agree with [TS]

00:40:28   it so easy to send you back to someone [TS]

00:40:30   who won't have a moral problem with [TS]

00:40:31   killing yeah it seems like you know like [TS]

00:40:33   there's 30 other guys and that they have [TS]

00:40:35   a ready supply of those people [TS]

00:40:37   yeah they use one of them I i would kill [TS]

00:40:40   them in the future and send the body [TS]

00:40:41   back to the ocean and done or I feel [TS]

00:40:45   like if you have time travel [TS]

00:40:47   you could probably make a whole lot of [TS]

00:40:48   money without going to all the effort of [TS]

00:40:50   being the mob [TS]

00:40:52   yeah yes betting on horse dreams whether [TS]

00:40:55   they only intended well I guess yeah we [TS]

00:40:57   don't know today only in time travel in [TS]

00:40:58   one direction or something weird [TS]

00:41:01   yeah the whole idea of i was actually [TS]

00:41:04   let down by the idea of the Rainmaker [TS]

00:41:06   who is consolidating all the gangs and I [TS]

00:41:09   thought that was going to be an [TS]

00:41:11   interesting you know this is why this is [TS]

00:41:13   accelerating but it was sort of shadowy [TS]

00:41:15   and then at the end we get this [TS]

00:41:16   revelation of like oh that the kid is [TS]

00:41:18   gonna grow up to be the Rainmaker or is [TS]

00:41:21   he and i kinda wanted the other kids to [TS]

00:41:24   be the Rainmaker [TS]

00:41:25   yeah i was just like okay yes i would [TS]

00:41:27   have been a nice twist it will and it [TS]

00:41:29   was the law of the economy of characters [TS]

00:41:32   to happening there where it's like well [TS]

00:41:33   who could it be there you know it's the [TS]

00:41:36   people we've known apparently because it [TS]

00:41:38   has to be somebody we have known and [TS]

00:41:39   yeah i don't know i don't know like i [TS]

00:41:42   said i don't think it was a bad movie [TS]

00:41:44   but it didn't you know people were [TS]

00:41:45   raving about it and maybe I've seen too [TS]

00:41:47   many time travel movies to be impressed [TS]

00:41:49   I I saw it on like opening day and went [TS]

00:41:51   into it not knowing too much about it [TS]

00:41:53   and I enjoyed it a lot but you know i'd [TS]

00:41:56   say it's one of the better science [TS]

00:41:56   fiction movies i saw that year but that [TS]

00:41:58   is a yeah lobar yeah I thought it was [TS]

00:42:00   really fun but i think the next one down [TS]

00:42:02   the line was like Prometheus or [TS]

00:42:03   something you know I thought was really [TS]

00:42:05   fun when I was walking out of it and by [TS]

00:42:07   the time I got home I thought of a lot [TS]

00:42:08   of plot holes but didn't really affect [TS]

00:42:10   my enjoyment during the movie itself [TS]

00:42:12   there's a lot of interesting stuff in [TS]

00:42:13   there with her you know they're funny [TS]

00:42:15   rocket cars and you know these weird you [TS]

00:42:16   know the guy that setback from from the [TS]

00:42:18   future to run the organized crime was [TS]

00:42:21   like kind of a big deal but you get the [TS]

00:42:22   idea that probably getting sent back in [TS]

00:42:24   time is you know not exactly a motion [TS]

00:42:26   motion for me I like my character a lot [TS]

00:42:29   yeah that was reported a lot of there's [TS]

00:42:31   a lot of interesting stuff in there but [TS]

00:42:32   yeah there's some stuff that doesn't [TS]

00:42:33   that doesn't stick [TS]

00:42:34   um you know I i enjoyed the ending I [TS]

00:42:36   didn't expect the ending the way it was [TS]

00:42:38   and I don't know other people you know [TS]

00:42:39   read that had you know 30 minutes into [TS]

00:42:41   it but now that was clever this this lot [TS]

00:42:43   of moving parts in this movie I feel [TS]

00:42:45   like they had too much stuff in it like [TS]

00:42:48   all the things we just mentioned [TS]

00:42:48   time-travel telekinesis rocket cars [TS]

00:42:51   organized crime especially love love [TS]

00:42:53   this love interest child in danger [TS]

00:42:55   motherhood like you could remove a whole [TS]

00:42:58   bunch of those pieces and and make the [TS]

00:43:00   end like the individual scenes were good [TS]

00:43:02   you know the crime boss the guy in [TS]

00:43:03   trouble the crime boss like those scenes [TS]

00:43:05   were fine but like is like now we're [TS]

00:43:07   gonna have one of those scenes and now [TS]

00:43:08   we're going to seem like this and now [TS]

00:43:09   we're going to be seen this movie is [TS]

00:43:10   just but by the end of it and what is [TS]

00:43:12   the kid [TS]

00:43:13   have to be a telekinetic monster why [TS]

00:43:15   can't he just be like really good at [TS]

00:43:17   running organized crime in the future [TS]

00:43:18   right [TS]

00:43:19   not that I want to capture that lineup [TS]

00:43:21   but I would have been like look at you [TS]

00:43:22   can't you can't also make a sort of film [TS]

00:43:25   noir and also make a time-travel we also [TS]

00:43:27   make an organized crime would also make [TS]

00:43:29   a little you know same time movie like [TS]

00:43:30   he can't do all those well and so I [TS]

00:43:33   would have concentrated on the ones that [TS]

00:43:34   were the most interesting and sacrifice [TS]

00:43:36   the bunch of others when when I i will [TS]

00:43:38   they did like a lot of the acting in it [TS]

00:43:40   you know i like the Bruce will is [TS]

00:43:42   actually acted a little bit a little bit [TS]

00:43:44   you can do that sometimes [TS]

00:43:46   yeah this is rian johnson is directed [TS]

00:43:50   several episodes of Breaking Bad [TS]

00:43:52   including i think i'm pretty sure he [TS]

00:43:55   directed the one called fly which is [TS]

00:43:58   just the two of them in her room and [TS]

00:44:00   they never leave the room and that's it [TS]

00:44:03   and I mean there's some really nice [TS]

00:44:05   acting in that so there were a lot of [TS]

00:44:08   scenes in this that reminded me of that [TS]

00:44:10   but then I wanted to go see that instead [TS]

00:44:12   gets better [TS]

00:44:13   ryan Johnson in my opinion is kind of a [TS]

00:44:15   show-off [TS]

00:44:16   yes he would like you to know he is [TS]

00:44:19   clever and he is clever and he is [TS]

00:44:21   cleaned up we get it you made a movie [TS]

00:44:24   time-travel gangster telekinesis film [TS]

00:44:29   noir Shane rocket car movie we got a [TS]

00:44:34   space for Krugerrands [TS]

00:44:35   well if you guys want a movie that's [TS]

00:44:37   just time travel let me interest you in [TS]

00:44:39   primer and also left an 80-minute 100k [TS]

00:44:43   primer primer whatever you want to call [TS]

00:44:45   it [TS]

00:44:46   I thought we were only watching bruce [TS]

00:44:47   willis time travel movies with bruce [TS]

00:44:49   willis ladies bracelet replace the box i [TS]

00:44:52   watch disney's a kid was that an [TS]

00:44:54   accident that was it was an accident on [TS]

00:44:57   many lives I watched Pulp Fiction i'm [TS]

00:44:59   pretty sure they jump I'd be I'd be [TS]

00:45:01   happy to talk about unbreakable because [TS]

00:45:02   i love that movie but we probably should [TS]

00:45:03   stick to the time travel theme and I've [TS]

00:45:05   been meaning to talk about primer primer [TS]

00:45:06   however you want to call it premieres [TS]

00:45:08   correct forever [TS]

00:45:10   you can call it whatever you like it's [TS]

00:45:12   it famously 2004 movie directed produced [TS]

00:45:15   starring written financed all seven [TS]

00:45:18   thousand dollars of it by a chain [TS]

00:45:19   Carruth literally made this movie for [TS]

00:45:21   seven thousand dollars but is overrated [TS]

00:45:23   shows uh well it's 47 thousand dollars [TS]

00:45:26   its kind of [TS]

00:45:27   amazing as good as it looks but it's [TS]

00:45:29   definitely a seven thousand dollar movie [TS]

00:45:30   I i really love this movie but i also [TS]

00:45:34   have no judgments against people who [TS]

00:45:36   hate it because it is weird and it is [TS]

00:45:39   hard to follow and it's mumbly and lots [TS]

00:45:43   of things don't happen for a while and [TS]

00:45:45   then when things start happening they [TS]

00:45:47   happen in rapid succession and you go [TS]

00:45:48   what wait a second what happened but as [TS]

00:45:52   a time travel movie what I like about it [TS]

00:45:53   is it feels to me appropriately [TS]

00:45:56   confusing for time travel i guess that's [TS]

00:45:59   the thing I liked about it is consistent [TS]

00:46:00   in its own way and yet completely crazy [TS]

00:46:03   in a way that I think time travel would [TS]

00:46:05   be so I like that about it i'm [TS]

00:46:07   interested what you guys think of a [TS]

00:46:09   primer that's what i was saying i [TS]

00:46:10   thought i had the hardest rules of time [TS]

00:46:12   travel because it was like no time [TS]

00:46:14   travel messes you up [TS]

00:46:17   it is confusing if you're an observer or [TS]

00:46:20   participants anybody it is doesn't act [TS]

00:46:22   in the way that you expected to and it's [TS]

00:46:25   totally hardcore of like we are you know [TS]

00:46:28   they even had seems like here we're [TS]

00:46:31   going to show you with a pencil paper [TS]

00:46:32   how this thing works or whatever but [TS]

00:46:34   like that's just it within the context [TS]

00:46:36   of the movie once people start time [TS]

00:46:37   traveling it's like sorry it's time [TS]

00:46:39   travel it's going to be confusing and [TS]

00:46:41   yes and the model they have ya is our [TS]

00:46:44   the the rules are confusing which I like [TS]

00:46:46   to like the system they have laid out is [TS]

00:46:48   a confusing system just you know simply [TS]

00:46:50   how the box works it is not simple even [TS]

00:46:53   it is most basic level before it starts [TS]

00:46:55   being experienced before you before you [TS]

00:46:56   before you even get some the box just [TS]

00:46:58   explain how the box works like [TS]

00:46:59   understanding that rule system and then [TS]

00:47:01   it's like a game where they teach you a [TS]

00:47:03   mechanic like here's why jumping works [TS]

00:47:05   and here's our weapon works right and [TS]

00:47:06   then they slowly ramp you up this one is [TS]

00:47:08   like they teach you a mechanic [TS]

00:47:09   you don't understand the mechanics and [TS]

00:47:11   then they put your last level of the [TS]

00:47:12   game and before they tell you that [TS]

00:47:14   there's time travel in the movie you're [TS]

00:47:16   already on at least the third time [TS]

00:47:18   through some of the essence [TS]

00:47:20   yes you think you're watching the [TS]

00:47:21   discovery of it and then realize that [TS]

00:47:23   it's actually already been well [TS]

00:47:25   discovered i think that's debatable I've [TS]

00:47:27   seen the big chart and everything I [TS]

00:47:28   don't you can you can see a lot of early [TS]

00:47:30   scenes as the first time TSU works [TS]

00:47:33   perfectly well because they do show you [TS]

00:47:34   the same thing [TS]

00:47:35   the original seems yes but the first [TS]

00:47:37   scene where a biz up on [TS]

00:47:39   building looking down at Aaron all you [TS]

00:47:41   got the head Brian that's at least the [TS]

00:47:43   third time that scene is played out [TS]

00:47:45   right but you cannot there's also an [TS]

00:47:47   interpretation that works within the [TS]

00:47:48   rules of the movie that the first time [TS]

00:47:50   you see a lot of the scenes is actually [TS]

00:47:51   not the first time that they occurred in [TS]

00:47:53   the timelines because you know in the [TS]

00:47:55   times when things go well on the [TS]

00:47:56   headphones go off without a hitch [TS]

00:47:58   it looks the same as the first time [TS]

00:48:00   that's the whole point [TS]

00:48:01   yeah yeah I like um and I know again [TS]

00:48:05   there are reasons why people and i'm [TS]

00:48:06   waiting because I know Lex didn't like [TS]

00:48:08   this movie i think the things that I [TS]

00:48:10   like about it is I I like that it's a [TS]

00:48:12   bunch of nerds who are trying to figure [TS]

00:48:13   something out i like that the idea that [TS]

00:48:14   time travel might be invented in this [TS]

00:48:16   completely random accidental way in an [TS]

00:48:19   office park in austin and somewhere in [TS]

00:48:23   Texas in Austin but it's seems like cost [TS]

00:48:26   ya will say it's austin uh and and you [TS]

00:48:30   know they figure it out slowly they [TS]

00:48:32   think they're doing something else and [TS]

00:48:34   they're wondering there's a guy i think [TS]

00:48:36   a nice scene when they when the good [TS]

00:48:37   they go to the guy who's like this is [TS]

00:48:39   months of growth on this penny or [TS]

00:48:41   whatever it is we love we bore a weeble [TS]

00:48:44   that's right [TS]

00:48:45   uh I like all of that that that they [TS]

00:48:48   they don't know what they're doing you [TS]

00:48:50   know that they just suddenly have this [TS]

00:48:52   thing and then and then we understand [TS]

00:48:54   again it's a movie that nerds can love [TS]

00:48:56   because it explainers it explains like [TS]

00:49:00   in an interesting way it's not a magic [TS]

00:49:02   portal that you step through you have to [TS]

00:49:04   get in a box with an oxygen tank and [TS]

00:49:05   wait there as you go back [TS]

00:49:06   second-by-second I kinda like that [TS]

00:49:08   mechanic that it's it's really hard it's [TS]

00:49:11   weird it's what you know it's perfectly [TS]

00:49:14   reasonably what time travel would be [TS]

00:49:16   when you discovered time travel which is [TS]

00:49:18   not easy [TS]

00:49:19   I don't know if it's it's the fact that [TS]

00:49:21   it's hard as it is realistic but not the [TS]

00:49:23   amended mechanics I'm willing to give it [TS]

00:49:24   a pass on that but it's not real time [TS]

00:49:26   travel John I know you know the secrets [TS]

00:49:28   of the rear travel but that's how we [TS]

00:49:31   look so yeah but it seems really wish to [TS]

00:49:33   me that it would be weird and hard and [TS]

00:49:34   that that not what we expect from the [TS]

00:49:36   movies and the idea that it's discovered [TS]

00:49:38   by accident and yeah i mean this movie [TS]

00:49:40   is very INXS unaccessible the amount we [TS]

00:49:43   are just the the opening sequence with [TS]

00:49:45   the the nerds who are wearing ties [TS]

00:49:47   sitting in a kitchen putting something [TS]

00:49:48   two envelopes and there [TS]

00:49:50   talking over each other and there [TS]

00:49:51   mumbling and there's four characters two [TS]

00:49:53   of them were not actually going to see [TS]

00:49:54   that much yeah it's you know there's [TS]

00:49:56   there's a lot in that first like like 20 [TS]

00:49:58   minutes that like I could see a lot of [TS]

00:50:00   people pretty justifiably turning this [TS]

00:50:03   movie off especially for a 78 with [TS]

00:50:05   minute yes spent 20 minutes of nothing [TS]

00:50:07   happening [TS]

00:50:08   yeah well that's why works as a film [TS]

00:50:10   festival movie though because film [TS]

00:50:11   festival ways they love that you go in [TS]

00:50:13   it's a bunch of people in the kitchen [TS]

00:50:14   you don't know what it's about and then [TS]

00:50:16   they hit you in the film festival people [TS]

00:50:17   love that but you compare that to the [TS]

00:50:19   final 20 minutes which is right about [TS]

00:50:21   when they say yes maybe we can purposely [TS]

00:50:24   affect the past and then think just go [TS]

00:50:26   completely crazy and every day the [TS]

00:50:29   director had throating immediately then [TS]

00:50:31   the movies over [TS]

00:50:31   i I've seen this movie I think three or [TS]

00:50:33   four times now the most recent time like [TS]

00:50:35   two days ago when I was rewatching it [TS]

00:50:36   was feeling like really good like I'm [TS]

00:50:38   finally getting it and then like you [TS]

00:50:39   know I rewatched the last 12 minutes [TS]

00:50:41   like you have twice and I was like oh so [TS]

00:50:44   close and yet no I don't you know it's [TS]

00:50:46   like I've seen the chart and I could [TS]

00:50:47   like replicate that chart for somebody [TS]

00:50:48   but i could not construct that chart [TS]

00:50:50   from my own viewing of the monster movie [TS]

00:50:53   I've seen it like five or six times and [TS]

00:50:55   every time it's like that where I get to [TS]

00:50:58   the point I'm like wait a second [TS]

00:50:59   hydrocodone looks like i can look at the [TS]

00:51:02   terminus ya doing when they step matches [TS]

00:51:04   to what I've seen it's like it's like if [TS]

00:51:06   I was looking at like a matter you know [TS]

00:51:07   math problem when I'd be like yeah that [TS]

00:51:09   solution makes sense but I could never [TS]

00:51:10   solve this problem but there but there [TS]

00:51:12   are multiple possible solutions given [TS]

00:51:13   the rule that string variable yeah there [TS]

00:51:15   are multiple possible solutions that fit [TS]

00:51:17   and like and I think the trend is the [TS]

00:51:19   simplest basically I was gonna say my [TS]

00:51:20   favorite thing about the movie for Lex [TS]

00:51:22   craft over but now i'm going to crap all [TS]

00:51:23   over a little bit a lot of the problem [TS]

00:51:25   with this movie aside from like pacing [TS]

00:51:26   and low budget stuff like that [TS]

00:51:28   is that a lot and a lot of the reason [TS]

00:51:30   it's hard to understand it it fails to [TS]

00:51:32   communicate the ideas that i wanted to [TS]

00:51:34   communicate like if you watch a movie a [TS]

00:51:35   hundred times you can see I can see in [TS]

00:51:37   this scene this is what the director was [TS]

00:51:38   trying to say but it does a bad job of [TS]

00:51:41   community that either because they have [TS]

00:51:42   an important conversation and they only [TS]

00:51:44   got one take of it and then decided to [TS]

00:51:46   buy it by running water like [TS]

00:51:48   16-millimeter film is our attention and [TS]

00:51:50   you can't really defend that's what I [TS]

00:51:53   mean he specifically said this I guess [TS]

00:51:55   this movie basically couldn't have been [TS]

00:51:57   longer than 80 minutes because they're [TS]

00:51:58   just there was no other footage right [TS]

00:52:00   they did like maximum to take some [TS]

00:52:02   everything right [TS]

00:52:02   it's also like it didn't even it didn't [TS]

00:52:05   even succeed on the basic level just [TS]

00:52:07   communicating waterbar be communicated [TS]

00:52:08   the same because of budget and because [TS]

00:52:10   of you know experience all things and [TS]

00:52:11   that is probably the worst thing about [TS]

00:52:13   this movie you can see like there's a [TS]

00:52:14   confidence problem and that contributes [TS]

00:52:17   to its difficulty understanding the [TS]

00:52:18   people who love the movies i'll know [TS]

00:52:19   it's don't you understand so awesome is [TS]

00:52:21   so hard to understand sometimes it's [TS]

00:52:22   hard to understand because the guy did a [TS]

00:52:23   bad job is right and that's that's my [TS]

00:52:26   problem is that it's not i don't mind a [TS]

00:52:28   movie where you have to work extra hard [TS]

00:52:29   to understand i don't mind movie where [TS]

00:52:31   you get more out of it by watching it [TS]

00:52:32   multiple times or even if you basically [TS]

00:52:34   need to watch at multiple times [TS]

00:52:36   understand it but i think that that was [TS]

00:52:38   not necessarily their intent when they [TS]

00:52:40   made this movie i think it is a side [TS]

00:52:41   effect of not just pour filmmaking in a [TS]

00:52:45   sense of its low budget like I think you [TS]

00:52:46   could show somebody this movie and they [TS]

00:52:48   would not necessarily recognize that it [TS]

00:52:49   was made for seven thousand dollars i [TS]

00:52:50   think that's a testament to whatever [TS]

00:52:52   grilling skills they had that they [TS]

00:52:54   pulled off what they did I think it is a [TS]

00:52:56   script that is flawed and I i get and I [TS]

00:53:00   respect the notion of i'm going to write [TS]

00:53:02   this with you know i'm not going to [TS]

00:53:04   pander to the audience i'm not going to [TS]

00:53:06   make any of the dialogue accessible in [TS]

00:53:09   the first half of the film is losing [TS]

00:53:12   more money i shot and I started and I [TS]

00:53:13   paid for its for be but you have to do [TS]

00:53:15   something you have to be involved in [TS]

00:53:17   math maybe you know I do a lot of [TS]

00:53:19   multi-screen stuff there's a lot of [TS]

00:53:22   movies and television that I consumed [TS]

00:53:23   while i also have a laptop on my lap or [TS]

00:53:25   an iPad in my hand this is not a movie [TS]

00:53:27   for you right so there's you know when i [TS]

00:53:29   watch this movie the first time I made [TS]

00:53:31   that mistake so when I rewatched it last [TS]

00:53:33   week for this podcast I said you know [TS]

00:53:35   there will be no distractions nobody was [TS]

00:53:36   home the kids were all asleep my wife [TS]

00:53:38   was as it was just me and the TV and I [TS]

00:53:40   really got no further i mean i've read [TS]

00:53:42   the charts [TS]

00:53:43   I've read the articles i've read [TS]

00:53:44   analysis I don't want to work this hard [TS]

00:53:46   and it's not it misses out on the [TS]

00:53:48   enjoyable factor like i was talking [TS]

00:53:50   before with 12 monkeys that there's some [TS]

00:53:52   kind of innate fun to me in time travel [TS]

00:53:54   even if it's a dark story i wanna do [TS]

00:53:57   something fun about it and this is just [TS]

00:53:58   the chores just manual labor in movie [TS]

00:54:01   form eight kids do you ever think your [TS]

00:54:03   movies didn't have the challenge of a [TS]

00:54:04   crossword puzzle in them yet but I have [TS]

00:54:06   delicate hands [TS]

00:54:07   this is one of my favorite movies and I [TS]

00:54:10   watched it so many times I'm convinced i [TS]

00:54:11   dunno what happened [TS]

00:54:12   in it and I have a correction i like to [TS]

00:54:14   make to that charter one scene but i [TS]

00:54:16   will say i noticed today we'll be [TS]

00:54:18   watching it if I walk out of the room i [TS]

00:54:21   immediately can't understand anybody [TS]

00:54:23   like I have to be staring at screens yes [TS]

00:54:26   time [TS]

00:54:27   yeah it's up Monty i'm with you this is [TS]

00:54:30   this is one of my favorites as well but [TS]

00:54:33   it's not for everybody eat it one of the [TS]

00:54:35   things I like about it is that I feel [TS]

00:54:36   like it is internally consistent i think [TS]

00:54:39   i think Lex and John are right that [TS]

00:54:41   there's a combination of some it in [TS]

00:54:44   competence or something like that of the [TS]

00:54:47   director because he's new to this that [TS]

00:54:50   is part of it but I do i do think [TS]

00:54:52   absolutely that this is a movie that [TS]

00:54:54   does not [TS]

00:54:55   it's gonna come to you on your own terms [TS]

00:54:56   and it doesn't it just doesn't care if [TS]

00:54:59   you don't understand it which I kind of [TS]

00:55:00   I'm up for that challenge and I feel [TS]

00:55:02   like I do understand it more now but i [TS]

00:55:05   love that every time i go back to it I i [TS]

00:55:07   get another nuance of it and i love that [TS]

00:55:09   it is telling a story that i haven't [TS]

00:55:11   seen a million times before or at least [TS]

00:55:13   in a way that makes me feel like I [TS]

00:55:16   haven't seen a million times before for [TS]

00:55:18   such a short movie and for such a techie [TS]

00:55:21   movie i love the little extra things [TS]

00:55:24   that puts in like I can see somebody's [TS]

00:55:26   bleeding from the ear because time [TS]

00:55:28   travel was hard on you or maybe it's [TS]

00:55:29   from spending all that time in a box [TS]

00:55:31   full of argon but then later when they [TS]

00:55:33   say and I can't write anymore i can see [TS]

00:55:36   the show you how much but I can't make [TS]

00:55:38   the hand do it [TS]

00:55:39   that's neat yeah that's disturbing thing [TS]

00:55:43   to have happened to the movies an [TS]

00:55:44   interesting contrast with another movie [TS]

00:55:46   that is compared to a lot of memento [TS]

00:55:48   which has a similar structure where you [TS]

00:55:50   gotta pay attention to it and you can [TS]

00:55:52   figure it out if you watch enough [TS]

00:55:53   memento is like if you had filled in all [TS]

00:55:57   the gaps in the script where someone [TS]

00:55:59   should have said something they didn't [TS]

00:56:00   if you had shot a slightly more complex [TS]

00:56:01   momento you watch it three times you get [TS]

00:56:03   it I get you know it you don't need a [TS]

00:56:05   chart you don't need to read articles [TS]

00:56:06   but you probably do need to see more [TS]

00:56:08   than one time and maybe I and momentum [TS]

00:56:10   has the amazing than the first time you [TS]

00:56:12   see it if you pay attention you will [TS]

00:56:13   believe you understand it by the end of [TS]

00:56:14   it and maybe even will [TS]

00:56:16   that's not true of this movie at all and [TS]

00:56:19   so like you get its a similar approach [TS]

00:56:21   to filmmaking it if you like that kind [TS]

00:56:22   of puzzle movie memento is kind of the [TS]

00:56:25   easy listening [TS]

00:56:26   smooth jazz version and primers like the [TS]

00:56:29   thrash metal or indie rocker REM in 1972 [TS]

00:56:33   we'll see i think the other piece [TS]

00:56:34   there's that memento you could react it [TS]

00:56:36   and people have I think you can even get [TS]

00:56:37   a DVD that does it you can re-edit [TS]

00:56:39   momento in chronological order and [TS]

00:56:41   understand what's actually happening and [TS]

00:56:43   I don't think you can do that with [TS]

00:56:44   private not without additional voiceover [TS]

00:56:47   probably right [TS]

00:56:48   there's parts of primer that don't [TS]

00:56:50   happen in the movie there's a guy that [TS]

00:56:52   yeah Charles Iranian lots and lots of [TS]

00:56:55   the future we never see ya there's a guy [TS]

00:56:57   right that's one of my favorite moments [TS]

00:56:59   is that there's a guy who's obviously [TS]

00:57:00   been using the box and they don't even [TS]

00:57:01   know like yeah I mean we have never seen [TS]

00:57:04   him and he's been mentioned but how the [TS]

00:57:07   hell did that happen but he donated then [TS]

00:57:08   they're like we're not we're not going [TS]

00:57:09   to worry about that that's just letting [TS]

00:57:11   you know that you know that things are [TS]

00:57:12   unsettled things aren't really [TS]

00:57:13   problematic that is not again we're not [TS]

00:57:14   going to solve that guy's not gonna be [TS]

00:57:16   okay with calculator because that's what [TS]

00:57:18   it would be like if you were in that if [TS]

00:57:19   you're in the situation where time [TS]

00:57:20   travels possible things would happen [TS]

00:57:22   that you have no explanation for that [TS]

00:57:23   don't make any sense and that even [TS]

00:57:25   though you know time travel is possible [TS]

00:57:26   you still can decrease that never got [TS]

00:57:27   there like your your causality engine of [TS]

00:57:30   trying to make explain the world is [TS]

00:57:31   broken because something happens and you [TS]

00:57:34   can even use like but if he went like [TS]

00:57:36   this too many possibilities yeah so [TS]

00:57:37   that's why I mean that it's same thing [TS]

00:57:39   with the sort of obtusa voiceovers why [TS]

00:57:42   doesn't why is the voice-over say [TS]

00:57:43   everything like why doesn't come out and [TS]

00:57:45   say anything why is it all kind of like [TS]

00:57:46   I'm apologizing to my cell phone [TS]

00:57:48   answering machine about something that [TS]

00:57:50   happened that we both already know so i [TS]

00:57:51   don't have to spell it out like that the [TS]

00:57:53   voice-over being like that is part of [TS]

00:57:55   the challenge of the movie but it also [TS]

00:57:56   is part of the you know failing to [TS]

00:57:58   communicate part of the movie and it's [TS]

00:57:59   also part of the this is not the smooth [TS]

00:58:01   jazz version so it's you know that the [TS]

00:58:04   good things and the bad things kind of [TS]

00:58:05   combined with my thing in time travel [TS]

00:58:07   movies as i always want the scientists [TS]

00:58:09   like i said in a 12 monkeys [TS]

00:58:12   the first thing you do is find out if [TS]

00:58:13   you can change the past well that's what [TS]

00:58:15   these guys did you can actually see them [TS]

00:58:17   tinkering saying we have time travel [TS]

00:58:20   what can we do with it yeah but my [TS]

00:58:21   favorite part of this movie and the part [TS]

00:58:23   that makes this whole movie for me the [TS]

00:58:24   first time I watched them like finally [TS]

00:58:26   someone has made this movie is that this [TS]

00:58:27   has the best and as far as I'm concerned [TS]

00:58:29   the only realistic scene between two [TS]

00:58:32   people I where one is introducing the [TS]

00:58:35   other something fantastical that scene [TS]

00:58:37   where they're at the truck and they're [TS]

00:58:38   saying look you're about to [TS]

00:58:39   something I know you're going to think [TS]

00:58:41   that I'm like making fun of you or that [TS]

00:58:43   I'm you know like that is what a dirty [TS]

00:58:45   person would do to preface what was [TS]

00:58:48   about to happen because it's the it's [TS]

00:58:49   you have to go in and say I know what [TS]

00:58:51   you're going to think because it's [TS]

00:58:52   ridiculous but I promise you I'm not [TS]

00:58:55   playing a joke on you i wouldn't do [TS]

00:58:57   something like that whole preface is the [TS]

00:58:59   most human part of this movie and i [TS]

00:59:01   think is you know the most realistic [TS]

00:59:03   part because that's what draws you win [TS]

00:59:04   you like the whole idea these guys are [TS]

00:59:06   gonna do this in their garage or like if [TS]

00:59:07   they didn't do this in the garage this [TS]

00:59:09   is how they were acting having them go [TS]

00:59:10   immediately to and let's go for the [TS]

00:59:12   stock market like that's what nerds [TS]

00:59:13   would do right and then of course it [TS]

00:59:14   goes off the rails because they're human [TS]

00:59:15   and it's like well we have time travel [TS]

00:59:17   now bad things are gonna happen and the [TS]

00:59:19   darker natures are gonna come out all [TS]

00:59:20   the stuff or whatever but that that [TS]

00:59:22   little nugget in the center of the movie [TS]

00:59:23   and that whole scene i think it's nicely [TS]

00:59:25   letting everything that sells the whole [TS]

00:59:27   movie to me oh it's the nicely let's see [TS]

00:59:29   it shouldn't be in the middle of a movie [TS]

00:59:30   it should be earlier in the movie my [TS]

00:59:32   favorite movie is when it ended in like [TS]

00:59:35   you didn't like that bet [TS]

00:59:36   no I did I liked that bit it just came [TS]

00:59:38   too late even beyond the kind of the [TS]

00:59:40   confusion about the time-travel elements [TS]

00:59:42   there's also some stuff that in there [TS]

00:59:43   that's confusing just in terms of not [TS]

00:59:45   explaining that would like there's the [TS]

00:59:46   whole thing we're gonna go back in and [TS]

00:59:48   redo the party over and over again and [TS]

00:59:50   why is that is the word that seem like [TS]

00:59:52   like like that I did I couldn't even [TS]

00:59:54   completely piece together who the [TS]

00:59:56   relationships were between them and [TS]

00:59:58   people rights [TS]

00:59:58   people rights [TS]

01:00:00   why that like it was like his eyes [TS]

01:00:02   married but he wants to be a hero right [TS]

01:00:04   like the details the details and [TS]

01:00:06   confusing and I think that that you [TS]

01:00:08   could potentially chalk up to the you [TS]

01:00:10   know this being a novice writer-director [TS]

01:00:13   I felt like the other stuff that was [TS]

01:00:14   intentionally confusing like like that [TS]

01:00:17   that right boys like light up that seam [TS]

01:00:20   is that they're trying to keep doing [TS]

01:00:22   that something terrible happens at the [TS]

01:00:24   party and they keep redoing it until [TS]

01:00:26   they get it right but I but their [TS]

01:00:27   motivation was unclear but I think [TS]

01:00:29   that's right that's just the part of the [TS]

01:00:31   movie where they've stopped hiding in a [TS]

01:00:33   hotel because they're afraid of [TS]

01:00:34   affecting anything which was a good idea [TS]

01:00:37   another like well screw we can define [TS]

01:00:39   the future however we want and my guess [TS]

01:00:41   and this is just a guess is that they [TS]

01:00:43   decided that the shooting at the party [TS]

01:00:45   was what led to grainger coming back [TS]

01:00:48   from the future so fix that [TS]

01:00:51   yeah it's just weird because i didn't [TS]

01:00:52   really explain it was the whole thing [TS]

01:00:53   where Aaron wanted to be the hero right [TS]

01:00:56   like that was like they would get things [TS]

01:00:57   where it wasn't like the shooting would [TS]

01:00:59   be prevented no one's hurt but it wasn't [TS]

01:01:01   satisfactory enough right and like I [TS]

01:01:03   didn't really get why did he care about [TS]

01:01:06   what was his relationship with the woman [TS]

01:01:08   who I thought was actually involved a [TS]

01:01:09   but they don't really explain that life [TS]

01:01:11   you know there was that that to me was [TS]

01:01:13   like wire but I didn't get that there's [TS]

01:01:15   a lot of technical detail in this movie [TS]

01:01:17   not so much with the character detail [TS]

01:01:21   let me guess you guys are are sort of [TS]

01:01:23   interesting although sort of [TS]

01:01:25   interchangeable at times and some of [TS]

01:01:28   their interaction about discovery and [TS]

01:01:29   enthusiasm of the discovery is good it's [TS]

01:01:31   possible that naming them a band Aaron [TS]

01:01:33   there's a problem you [TS]

01:01:35   I mean I liked a lot about they had a [TS]

01:01:37   lot of that like their interplay between [TS]

01:01:38   them [TS]

01:01:39   I like the discovery process where it's [TS]

01:01:40   kind of their going back and forth each [TS]

01:01:43   making kind of little breakthroughs I [TS]

01:01:44   thought I thought that actually kind of [TS]

01:01:45   modeled scientific discovery in a way [TS]

01:01:47   that ya never see in movies and that was [TS]

01:01:49   neat and and things like that and then [TS]

01:01:51   not understanding stuff and working [TS]

01:01:52   through it but but then yet it is it's [TS]

01:01:54   completely unclear to move kind of what [TS]

01:01:57   their relationships with any of these [TS]

01:01:58   other people are and there are other [TS]

01:02:00   people in the movie right are no i did [TS]

01:02:02   enjoy the moment speaking of other [TS]

01:02:04   people when they are talking a [TS]

01:02:07   like I don't know his characters which [TS]

01:02:09   but when there's one say to the other [TS]

01:02:10   that you should go to another hemisphere [TS]

01:02:12   and just live his life and don't come [TS]

01:02:14   back [TS]

01:02:15   I like the idea of having multiples of [TS]

01:02:17   you who are living a different [TS]

01:02:18   hemispheres that you can each have your [TS]

01:02:19   own take on your life i thought that was [TS]

01:02:20   fun [TS]

01:02:21   yeah i'm gonna go to France or I'm gonna [TS]

01:02:23   go to Asia and i'm going to do mandarin [TS]

01:02:26   i'm going to build a very large box and [TS]

01:02:29   we believe they shot that on location [TS]

01:02:31   and trance on that budget have these [TS]

01:02:33   whole justify everybody they have to [TS]

01:02:35   fragment when i say when i saw that [TS]

01:02:37   scene because I hadn't seen this movie [TS]

01:02:39   in a long time when I saw that scene [TS]

01:02:40   again in my head that scene was so [TS]

01:02:43   clearly France is so clearly epic and [TS]

01:02:45   then you look at it again it's like [TS]

01:02:46   close shots of people in a room like [TS]

01:02:48   there's nothing to suggest it's like [TS]

01:02:50   Israel to suggest they didn't even try [TS]

01:02:53   like but somehow the first time I saw [TS]

01:02:54   that movie I was so on you know just for [TS]

01:02:56   the magic of moviemaking yep he's in [TS]

01:02:58   France now he's gonna build a big one of [TS]

01:03:00   these things like if you know the [TS]

01:03:01   theater of the mind works so much better [TS]

01:03:03   than now now i can watch it without [TS]

01:03:04   getting that caught up and unlike out [TS]

01:03:06   they there there in some guys garage yet [TS]

01:03:08   the guy who speaks French is that good [TS]

01:03:11   because we couldn't afford that that [TS]

01:03:12   match shot of the big-box being [TS]

01:03:15   constructed that would cost more than [TS]

01:03:17   the movie so that's a big point in favor [TS]

01:03:19   of this movie [TS]

01:03:20   this might be the only movie ever where [TS]

01:03:22   they have one scene in France and they [TS]

01:03:23   don't establish it with the Eiffel Tower [TS]

01:03:25   expensive to buy the footage David [TS]

01:03:28   lawyer or an actual writer of things we [TS]

01:03:32   look at a movie like this by a novice [TS]

01:03:34   writer-director I mean do you look at it [TS]

01:03:36   and think it's it's it's an interesting [TS]

01:03:38   attempt or is it is it more of a weird [TS]

01:03:41   failure [TS]

01:03:42   I'm just kind of curious what your take [TS]

01:03:43   on a movie like this is well I you know [TS]

01:03:45   I'd love to walk up to him and slap him [TS]

01:03:47   a few times haha [TS]

01:03:49   because well you know i love i really [TS]

01:03:51   like the logic of it and you know and [TS]

01:03:54   the rules and you know building the [TS]

01:03:56   thing in the discovery and all that you [TS]

01:03:59   know there's so many things that are [TS]

01:04:00   really well done and then the story and [TS]

01:04:04   the acting just don't hold up to the [TS]

01:04:08   rigid logic of the science of it you [TS]

01:04:10   know the acting I mean I think that's [TS]

01:04:12   why we don't know any of these other [TS]

01:04:13   characters is that there they don't know [TS]

01:04:15   any actors ahead to have it over and [TS]

01:04:17   also have well lines yeah yeah [TS]

01:04:19   the right down here a biz blonde this [TS]

01:04:21   movie I've seen like double digits [TS]

01:04:24   yeah well after I saw the first time [TS]

01:04:27   because i watched it twice in the last [TS]

01:04:29   week because I've never seen it before [TS]

01:04:31   and what I heard about it for years and [TS]

01:04:34   so I read up on it afterwards and you [TS]

01:04:38   know the whole thing if you know I [TS]

01:04:39   couldn't find any actors who couldn't [TS]

01:04:42   inject you know they injected too much [TS]

01:04:44   drama into it so we decided to do it [TS]

01:04:46   ourselves and first of all I know enough [TS]

01:04:49   actors in Texas to know that [TS]

01:04:51   yeah there are people who can do that [TS]

01:04:52   but if he had been able to step outside [TS]

01:04:56   and see someone else doing it then he [TS]

01:04:58   might have seen the problems with it [TS]

01:05:00   right [TS]

01:05:00   um you know Woody Allen can get away [TS]

01:05:03   with that and even Woody Allen has [TS]

01:05:05   problems with some of his movies [TS]

01:05:06   especially of late but you know to write [TS]

01:05:10   and direct and star and be the [TS]

01:05:13   cinematographer that's too much for your [TS]

01:05:16   first movie yeah and I think all of the [TS]

01:05:18   problems I had with the story came from [TS]

01:05:21   that and all the problems I had with the [TS]

01:05:22   acting came from because because a lot [TS]

01:05:24   of it is done in that sort of dragnet [TS]

01:05:27   monotone yeah let's get through the [TS]

01:05:29   scene before the film runs out we're [TS]

01:05:30   gonna talk like this and you talk about [TS]

01:05:32   me however years talk i think i know [TS]

01:05:34   you're a bit of a control freak is what [TS]

01:05:36   I want you know really I grew up with [TS]

01:05:38   engineers so yeah I know [TS]

01:05:40   yeah exactly the weird thing is that i [TS]

01:05:42   think he did the things that are [TS]

01:05:43   difficult [TS]

01:05:44   well and the things that are yes sadly [TS]

01:05:46   so for example that uses there's a [TS]

01:05:48   cinema star will be like that there's a [TS]

01:05:49   cns movie where lighters for Aaron [TS]

01:05:52   fights himself and you believe that our [TS]

01:05:54   invites himself but he couldn't afford [TS]

01:05:55   half hour and actually find himself he [TS]

01:05:57   couldn't even afford to have a guy with [TS]

01:05:58   a wig you see from the back fight [TS]

01:05:59   himself the the scene in the movie reads [TS]

01:06:02   as oakley that's Aaron fighting himself [TS]

01:06:03   that's a good job someone who you think [TS]

01:06:05   that's difficult to do on a budget when [TS]

01:06:07   you can't do any of those good things [TS]

01:06:08   but the basic thing of like have people [TS]

01:06:11   have lines to establish what they are [TS]

01:06:12   what their relationships are to each [TS]

01:06:13   other and make sure the oddball the [TS]

01:06:15   audio is it [TS]

01:06:16   understandable that he messes up but but [TS]

01:06:19   he can he can do a guy fighting himself [TS]

01:06:20   for seven thousand dollars for the whole [TS]

01:06:22   movie [TS]

01:06:22   I mean look I'm not going to defend the [TS]

01:06:24   audio in the scene where they're from [TS]

01:06:25   the fountain ridiculous [TS]

01:06:27   oh oh yeah that hurt yeah that hurt [TS]

01:06:31   seven thousand dollars though it's got [TS]

01:06:34   you know there was a pretty fountain is [TS]

01:06:36   sure 11 of the rules that I was brought [TS]

01:06:40   up in when i started doing theater was [TS]

01:06:42   that a playwright never direct his own [TS]

01:06:44   work because you need to be able to [TS]

01:06:47   watch and you can't watch when you're [TS]

01:06:50   trying to tell people how to do it the [TS]

01:06:51   way you want it to be done because maybe [TS]

01:06:54   the way you want it to be done might not [TS]

01:06:56   work and so you know so that bothered me [TS]

01:07:01   so when I watched the second time was [TS]

01:07:03   like and you know that's why [TS]

01:07:05   ok ok but yeah I i did like so much of [TS]

01:07:09   it so so yeah that the things I didn't [TS]

01:07:12   like pissed me off and the thing I [TS]

01:07:14   really liked made the things I didn't [TS]

01:07:16   like piss me off even more [TS]

01:07:17   it's a strange strange moving it is [TS]

01:07:19   unlike any other movie I've ever seen it [TS]

01:07:21   is a weird thing its I mean I like it [TS]

01:07:24   but I think I like it more as a puzzle [TS]

01:07:26   but as a movie or a story yes [TS]

01:07:29   yeah yeah it's really liked puzzles I [TS]

01:07:31   like puzzles [TS]

01:07:32   yeah oh yeah yeah I think that's right [TS]

01:07:34   as i watch it i'm watching it to kind of [TS]

01:07:36   have that experience of whether it's [TS]

01:07:38   like replaying a game or you know [TS]

01:07:39   whatever whatever it's like not quite [TS]

01:07:41   watching a movie it's like experiencing [TS]

01:07:43   the mystification and trying to figure [TS]

01:07:46   out what i'm missing and and I it's not [TS]

01:07:49   the same as watching other favorite [TS]

01:07:51   movies it's more like yeah I'm gonna do [TS]

01:07:53   another crossword puzzle [TS]

01:07:54   so what have we learned about time [TS]

01:07:56   travel movies guys by watching these [TS]

01:07:58   three movies are very different takes on [TS]

01:07:59   time travel did we learn that we have [TS]

01:08:01   other movies that we like better about [TS]

01:08:02   time travel that way i mean i don't know [TS]

01:08:04   i like i love primer but I I think we [TS]

01:08:07   learned that these three movies that we [TS]

01:08:08   talked about even though they seem to [TS]

01:08:10   have some kind of unifying theme and [TS]

01:08:12   time travel don't 3-parachute there are [TS]

01:08:15   three very different movies that share [TS]

01:08:16   almost nothing in common except the [TS]

01:08:18   general idea of time with mr Bruce [TS]

01:08:20   Willis movies not even that except the [TS]

01:08:23   time-travel screws you up [TS]

01:08:24   time travel does screw you up in all [TS]

01:08:26   three of them know that's what that's [TS]

01:08:27   true actually [TS]

01:08:28   bad either too many pallets don't [TS]

01:08:31   traveling at I'm virus research screwed [TS]

01:08:33   us up and throw monkeys time travel is [TS]

01:08:35   fine [TS]

01:08:35   that wasn't a problem what screwed up [TS]

01:08:36   Bruce Willis right he makes him drool [TS]

01:08:39   like a large amount of drool always [TS]

01:08:41   drills that scenario work it out cg [TS]

01:08:43   afterwards simple Shepherd screwed up [TS]

01:08:46   Bruce Willis now and where there's the [TS]

01:08:48   David Addison movie I watched that I [TS]

01:08:50   would watch them just David Addison [TS]

01:08:51   really yeah yeah i think it was a [TS]

01:08:54   chemistry thing now the Charles rocket [TS]

01:08:56   is dead i'm not sure they can do that [TS]

01:08:57   but if you like David medicine so much [TS]

01:08:59   go listen to Bruce Willis's harmonica [TS]

01:09:00   album i own a return of Brunei how ya on [TS]

01:09:04   cassette I see you [TS]

01:09:07   wow that was weak [TS]

01:09:10   all right do we have before before we go [TS]

01:09:13   I wanted to ask all you guys since we're [TS]

01:09:16   talking about time travel you have a [TS]

01:09:17   preferred you know a favorite time [TS]

01:09:20   travel movie that that you'd like to [TS]

01:09:21   mention here before we go I think [TS]

01:09:24   somewhere in time is really sweet [TS]

01:09:25   somewhere in time is lovely and the book [TS]

01:09:28   did time return that it's based on a [TS]

01:09:31   richard matheson very good i was on [TS]

01:09:34   Mackinac Island last weekend and I saw [TS]

01:09:36   the location they used for the coin shop [TS]

01:09:39   which I thought was weird because they [TS]

01:09:40   also used the hotel del coronado in san [TS]

01:09:43   diego for more action movie and I was in [TS]

01:09:45   two places are nowhere near each other [TS]

01:09:47   not even close and believe it or not [TS]

01:09:49   it's being turned into a musical as we [TS]

01:09:51   speak [TS]

01:09:52   Oh over for the stage we already [TS]

01:09:55   mentioned back to the future but i think [TS]

01:09:56   it's you know that's that's my go-to [TS]

01:09:58   time travel movie first the movie that's [TS]

01:10:00   just so successful and so many levels [TS]

01:10:02   and just handles time travel like it's [TS]

01:10:04   nothing like that like they can get that [TS]

01:10:06   movie just does everything right and [TS]

01:10:07   just casual and breezy time-travel sure [TS]

01:10:10   always the whole movie on and we'll just [TS]

01:10:11   have funny jokes and interesting [TS]

01:10:13   situations and we'll just do everything [TS]

01:10:14   we can do with it thats equals less so [TS]

01:10:16   of course but that I think it's probably [TS]

01:10:19   my favorite time probably it's my second [TS]

01:10:22   favorite time travel movie my favorite [TS]

01:10:24   time travel movie and calling a [TS]

01:10:26   time-travel i agree is will I pre defend [TS]

01:10:29   is a bit of a stretch but i'm going to [TS]

01:10:30   go with groundhog day [TS]

01:10:32   yeah that's close that's close deadline [TS]

01:10:33   a definitely different kind of movie [TS]

01:10:35   there but higher degree of difficulty me [TS]

01:10:37   yeah yeah that's like the ground today [TS]

01:10:39   is like transcendent [TS]

01:10:40   right yeah i would go with grand hog day [TS]

01:10:43   in Back to the Future back and forth and [TS]

01:10:47   then the movie that hasn't been made yet [TS]

01:10:49   that i would love to see how I saw in [TS]

01:10:51   the past from the future [TS]

01:10:53   there you go this will make them more [TS]

01:10:55   and very happy [TS]

01:10:56   it's Connie Willis's to say nothing of [TS]

01:10:59   the dog [TS]

01:10:59   oh yeah that would be at that that's not [TS]

01:11:01   a fun book that's the nice part is that [TS]

01:11:03   is delightful i would like somebody to [TS]

01:11:05   make a movie out of Robert highlands all [TS]

01:11:07   you zombies but very little happens that [TS]

01:11:09   isn't just plot its pile of owen [TS]

01:11:13   speaking of books time and again by Jack [TS]

01:11:16   Finney which I think jon stewart bought [TS]

01:11:21   the rights to years and years ago before [TS]

01:11:22   the daily show and then hasn't done [TS]

01:11:25   anything with bastard Tony did you have [TS]

01:11:28   a design star trek for counters at a [TS]

01:11:31   time travel movie or just a whale movie [TS]

01:11:32   that has time-travel payment [TS]

01:11:34   well it is a movie about whales that has [TS]

01:11:37   time travel in it like that movie it's [TS]

01:11:40   mostly a whale vehicle that's an itch I [TS]

01:11:42   you know I'm the wikipedia page on Whale [TS]

01:11:44   movies is woefully incomplete compared [TS]

01:11:46   to the wikipedia page on the time-travel [TS]

01:11:48   movies get on it shut in citation needed [TS]

01:11:51   he's at work haha blackfish currently in [TS]

01:11:54   theaters you know that the book the time [TS]

01:11:56   traveler's wife that's good time travel [TS]

01:11:59   yes but not the movie know the movies [TS]

01:12:01   terrible time travel put the book is [TS]

01:12:02   good time for hope it's good times roll [TS]

01:12:04   well my favorite time travel movies [TS]

01:12:06   primer so yeah yeah mine too [TS]

01:12:07   wow I can't believe you know I'd the [TS]

01:12:10   most time travel it is the most tribe [TS]

01:12:12   travel of any touch [TS]

01:12:14   yeah you have one more energy hold the [TS]

01:12:16   board had too much stuff diluting the [TS]

01:12:17   time-travel primer is the answer [TS]

01:12:19   rumors like that you want all time [TS]

01:12:21   travel this is it is you're getting it [TS]

01:12:23   you turn that you don't like it so much [TS]

01:12:24   if I discovered time travel [TS]

01:12:26   I would do a lot of things but the very [TS]

01:12:28   first thing i do would be go back in [TS]

01:12:29   time and not watch primer for that you [TS]

01:12:32   can unwatchable yet depending on which a [TS]

01:12:35   continuity you would get really going to [TS]

01:12:37   make sure that the wax their gets back [TS]

01:12:39   in the bus so what you do is you drugged [TS]

01:12:41   you drugged the lex there before he [TS]

01:12:42   watched the movie take the movie and and [TS]

01:12:45   break it right if it was a digital copy [TS]

01:12:47   just destroy all the digital devices in [TS]

01:12:49   your house [TS]

01:12:50   Lex in order for that to happen some Lex [TS]

01:12:52   has to see primer that's the problem [TS]

01:12:54   damn best you the best you can do is not [TS]

01:12:57   be that lets tribe that's the thing [TS]

01:12:59   about the movie is like a can't have [TS]

01:13:00   darkest timeline primer can't help but [TS]

01:13:02   follow a character or a set of [TS]

01:13:05   characters and they get the privilege [TS]

01:13:07   point of view when in reality there is [TS]

01:13:09   no privilege for the third there is no [TS]

01:13:10   hit you know privilege frame of [TS]

01:13:12   reference like all of those versions of [TS]

01:13:14   a baron are equally important in the [TS]

01:13:16   same and just be great cameras following [TS]

01:13:18   this one we think it's okay for him to [TS]

01:13:19   drugs other one so in the reality Lex [TS]

01:13:21   wants to go back and not watch that [TS]

01:13:23   movie you think that's okay because [TS]

01:13:26   you're thinking respect perspective of [TS]

01:13:27   you but you are also the other person [TS]

01:13:29   who is seeing the movie so you want to [TS]

01:13:31   see yourself you're not see or not see [TS]

01:13:32   exactly he's excited for this new movies [TS]

01:13:34   heard his first i'll talk about so [TS]

01:13:36   there's no you're not saving anybody for [TS]

01:13:38   anything I think what sold me on primer [TS]

01:13:40   was like my fourth or fifth viewing when [TS]

01:13:43   I realized early on that the life was [TS]

01:13:45   complaining about rats in the walls [TS]

01:13:47   oh yeah and that's the drugged yeah [TS]

01:13:49   whichever of that drug geriatric that [TS]

01:13:52   was on your fourth viewing you should [TS]

01:13:54   definitely consult the chart [TS]

01:13:55   yeah that was the one I was gonna say it [TS]

01:13:57   was literally on this movie and then I [TS]

01:14:00   got in the first run River significant [TS]

01:14:02   have heard that it's a grower you know [TS]

01:14:03   you gotta watch it four or five times [TS]

01:14:04   before you really start to like it i [TS]

01:14:06   like that i think on the second time [TS]

01:14:08   through i got that he was bleeding from [TS]

01:14:10   his ear not because from that one trip [TS]

01:14:13   but then like he had done multiple years [TS]

01:14:14   many trips [TS]

01:14:15   yeah he was ahead of the other one [TS]

01:14:16   because he was filling in for himself [TS]

01:14:18   and it was because otherwise I'm like [TS]

01:14:19   you're bleeding from your ear and [TS]

01:14:21   there's like he's looking at how old a [TS]

01:14:22   lot of lovin it's like no we should do [TS]

01:14:25   like a couple more runs to make more [TS]

01:14:26   money on the stock market it's like [TS]

01:14:27   there's blood coming from your brain on [TS]

01:14:30   to this time it's a problem and [TS]

01:14:31   originally they were saying well we [TS]

01:14:33   could just win the lottery [TS]

01:14:34   well I'll take until Saturday yeah guys [TS]

01:14:36   this isn't safe this place to get a time [TS]

01:14:41   machine also get really impatient [TS]

01:14:43   yeah yeah that's what I the character [TS]

01:14:45   arc i really do like when they start off [TS]

01:14:46   very cautious and then throw that out [TS]

01:14:49   screw it so quickly that i like the fact [TS]

01:14:51   they throw it over the idea of like [TS]

01:14:53   punching the Boston the fakes and then [TS]

01:14:54   going back and not have [TS]

01:14:55   done it like a concept like that'sthat's [TS]

01:14:57   the impetus like that's where the idea [TS]

01:14:59   gets out there and and the motivation is [TS]

01:15:01   so petty and silly but part of that is [TS]

01:15:04   the scientific thing we go [TS]

01:15:05   well can we do this maybe well well can [TS]

01:15:08   I do that what if there were now two of [TS]

01:15:11   me can i duplicate myself and the whole [TS]

01:15:13   that I like when that when they get the [TS]

01:15:14   cell phone and they have to like debate [TS]

01:15:16   how much is the technology of cellphone [TS]

01:15:18   networks before we like I don't know how [TS]

01:15:19   they worked you know how they worked out [TS]

01:15:21   real that's real that's a good see [TS]

01:15:22   that's unbelievable engineer Eddie and I [TS]

01:15:23   think it's really bring my phone and his [TS]

01:15:25   phone [TS]

01:15:26   well I guess this is how it works maybe [TS]

01:15:28   I like there'll be saving money can we [TS]

01:15:30   use the freon known to hit did you cut [TS]

01:15:33   anything at ya know one of my [TS]

01:15:36   discoveries when I looked at that chart [TS]

01:15:37   for the first time was the idea that [TS]

01:15:39   primer takes place like over like I [TS]

01:15:41   think five days [TS]

01:15:42   yes it's like ground it's like Groundhog [TS]

01:15:45   Day underground for years or whatever [TS]

01:15:46   yeah I am troubled i have trouble [TS]

01:15:48   processing that even for like an [TS]

01:15:49   80-minute movie it it feels like it's [TS]

01:15:51   taking place over a much larger haha [TS]

01:15:53   well it's only five like chronological [TS]

01:15:56   days but they go three and a half days [TS]

01:15:58   past they spent many days awake again [TS]

01:16:01   the first time they use the failsafe [TS]

01:16:02   there only three and a half days in but [TS]

01:16:05   now they're starting over right when [TS]

01:16:06   they travel a long way they can't sleep [TS]

01:16:08   in the box right so that's one of the [TS]

01:16:09   reasons they're all frazzled when they [TS]

01:16:11   get out and there's that and there's the [TS]

01:16:12   cute line like oh I'm hungry cuz i have [TS]

01:16:14   meat two ladies I think that's the best [TS]

01:16:16   line in the movie that's probably the [TS]

01:16:17   best of the best time travel i never [TS]

01:16:19   knew we because it's not in the movie [TS]

01:16:20   with lots of jokes and one-liners and [TS]

01:16:22   not even very community community seems [TS]

01:16:24   that when just kind of lands right in [TS]

01:16:25   the middle like hey I haven't even said [TS]

01:16:27   it wrong and i haven't eaten since later [TS]

01:16:28   this afternoon [TS]

01:16:29   yeah delivered delivered in that same on [TS]

01:16:32   the tone is everything else that's why [TS]

01:16:33   it works about this is a movie this [TS]

01:16:35   would actually benefit from a remake [TS]

01:16:37   can you imagine like a fancy glossy [TS]

01:16:39   remake of this by a director who with an [TS]

01:16:41   hour-long car chase right at the end [TS]

01:16:44   no not like that but just like done [TS]

01:16:45   night done more nicely and you could do [TS]

01:16:47   more stuff like you could further [TS]

01:16:49   explore things in a more coherent way [TS]

01:16:50   you know somebody you wouldn't even need [TS]

01:16:52   a big remake I think somebody could take [TS]

01:16:54   digital video cameras and their friends [TS]

01:16:57   and make me make this movie we didn't [TS]

01:16:59   make it better if shane carruth just [TS]

01:17:00   come forward in time to now the team i [TS]

01:17:02   could have made an amazing movie for [TS]

01:17:04   7,000 audio doesn't work just like [TS]

01:17:05   another track it's all day no you know i [TS]

01:17:08   have an iphone [TS]

01:17:09   take the script and make a perfectly [TS]

01:17:10   adequate movie yes [TS]

01:17:12   yeah yeah nine years later I'm gonna [TS]

01:17:14   really love this movie the 30th time I [TS]

01:17:16   see ya [TS]

01:17:17   it gets better every time it does it [TS]

01:17:19   does it but you might not like it [TS]

01:17:21   let's just watch it like 20 more times [TS]

01:17:23   and you'll be there with us if I'm not [TS]

01:17:25   seeing any remix by the way it's it's [TS]

01:17:27   the Stockholm Syndrome of time tracking [TS]

01:17:29   it is you see the rate we're going to [TS]

01:17:30   recite all the dialogue and still not be [TS]

01:17:32   able to explain what because that's when [TS]

01:17:34   it was really sinks in that yeah I don't [TS]

01:17:37   know they were they were afraid that [TS]

01:17:38   like the studio was afraid that like [TS]

01:17:39   people wouldn't understand twelve [TS]

01:17:41   Monkeys so I don't think it's not that [TS]

01:17:43   was like there you go home yeah you can [TS]

01:17:45   you imagine a studio ever letting his [TS]

01:17:47   movie out that last audience for 12 [TS]

01:17:49   monkeys did really poorly and people [TS]

01:17:50   didn't understand it and it was like [TS]

01:17:52   they were basically wanted to like have [TS]

01:17:54   terry gilliam go back and like change a [TS]

01:17:56   bunch of stuff that we shoot Stephanie [TS]

01:17:58   he said he wasn't going to and you know [TS]

01:18:00   and then it kind of did okay but yeah [TS]

01:18:01   but yeah but yeah that no one's gonna [TS]

01:18:03   give this guy money to do a primer 12 [TS]

01:18:05   monkeys came out a year after pulp [TS]

01:18:08   fiction and I really peg pulp fiction as [TS]

01:18:11   the the moment where everybody realized [TS]

01:18:13   that telling stories out of order was [TS]

01:18:15   cool and since then there's been a flood [TS]

01:18:17   of them so that was very early on and I [TS]

01:18:19   think you know that's why they were [TS]

01:18:21   afraid people are going to not [TS]

01:18:22   understand it's not linear ho [TS]

01:18:24   but not everyone is quentin tarantino [TS]

01:18:26   unfortunately no well that's true i like [TS]

01:18:28   when turn you know but it's probably [TS]

01:18:29   good that everybody isn't it yeah i [TS]

01:18:30   would think about yeah what everybody's [TS]

01:18:32   forgetting my good heat but he made it [TS]

01:18:34   look so easy like you shoot things out [TS]

01:18:35   of sequence and it all comes together [TS]

01:18:36   and satisfying way if the only movies [TS]

01:18:39   you can take your kids were two are [TS]

01:18:40   rated that would get a fast right you [TS]

01:18:42   know is a Quentin Tarantino Reggie kids [TS]

01:18:45   with quentin tarantino scooby-doo man [TS]

01:18:47   I'd see that he's probably down so much [TS]

01:18:49   energy stuff g-rated stuff that he's [TS]

01:18:51   obsessed with but quite would put [TS]

01:18:53   himself in a shaggy and you don't ya [TS]

01:18:54   we'll leave that for another podcast [TS]

01:18:58   where we maybe we draft directors and [TS]

01:19:00   assign them bizarre movies I don't know [TS]

01:19:03   there's there's there's a topic there [TS]

01:19:04   somewhere but we should we should step [TS]

01:19:07   out of the time machine and get on with [TS]

01:19:09   our lives are actually no I think the [TS]

01:19:11   machine is warmed up so we can all enter [TS]

01:19:13   the box and and exit at the beginning of [TS]

01:19:16   the podcast but before we step inside [TS]

01:19:18   the time machine I want to thank my [TS]

01:19:20   guests for being here [TS]

01:19:22   Tony sindelar thank you for watching [TS]

01:19:24   movies and coming and talking about them [TS]

01:19:26   it was my pleasure David lure always [TS]

01:19:29   nice to have you on [TS]

01:19:30   thank you very much always nice to be [TS]

01:19:32   here Monty I'm glad there's somebody who [TS]

01:19:34   likes primer glad I could help [TS]

01:19:37   it's takes ever being on my side [TS]

01:19:40   Lex Friedman thank you for being on it's [TS]

01:19:42   not always nice to have you on the [TS]

01:19:44   uncomfortable it was a pleasure except [TS]

01:19:46   for the part where i watch primer yeah i [TS]

01:19:47   got two and three in bed and John [TS]

01:19:50   siracusa thank you for being here too i [TS]

01:19:53   really like primer to is just not very [TS]

01:19:55   very very fit no problem is probably [TS]

01:19:58   number three and it has some issues [TS]

01:19:59   there's no doubt about it i love it [TS]

01:20:01   anyway but yeah there's plenty of issues [TS]

01:20:03   and for everybody here at the [TS]

01:20:05   uncomfortable I've been your host Jason [TS]

01:20:07   snow [TS]

01:20:07   thanks for listening we'll see you next [TS]

01:20:09   time [TS]

01:20:15   we're back on the uncomfortable i'm your [TS]

01:20:21   host Jason snow and tonight we're going [TS]

01:20:23   to be talking about time travel movies [TS]

01:20:25   but I have a confession to make [TS]

01:20:27   what you're listening to is timeline be [TS]

01:20:30   this podcast we already did the podcast [TS]

01:20:33   and then we entered a time-travel box [TS]

01:20:35   traveled back a little more than an hour [TS]

01:20:37   and are now emerging from the beginning [TS]

01:20:40   I know [TS]