Top Four

Top Four 6: Board Games


00:00:00   okay dogs in silent mode dog is silenced

00:00:03   well I should say stealth mode okay

00:00:06   let's uh let's do this thing

00:00:08   you know today's topic I picked board

00:00:12   games no we love playing board games yet

00:00:16   we are both big fans and we have played

00:00:18   many of the geeky board games that have

00:00:20   mostly originated from Germany at least

00:00:23   at least a while ago and we always try

00:00:25   to get people to play board games with

00:00:26   us but sometimes you never know what

00:00:28   kind of crowd you're with if they want

00:00:30   to play board games or not so we know

00:00:32   not to ask Merlin yes there's certain

00:00:34   people you know not to ask not like

00:00:36   Merlin's been over our house at all ever

00:00:39   Oh million times you know how much you

00:00:41   love to travel unnecessarily yeah anyway

00:00:45   so yeah I have a short list I bet you

00:00:49   have nothing prepared because there's

00:00:51   nothing in your lap right now I'm

00:00:52   looking at you and you are devoid of any

00:00:55   kind of information I have a list oh you

00:00:58   picked up your iPhone my god I do have a

00:01:00   list it is not though strictly ordered

00:01:03   and it is only six things long oh that's

00:01:07   pretty short I have a lot yeah cuz I

00:01:10   went into the game closet and just wrote

00:01:12   down all the games oh that's a good move

00:01:13   I should have done that do you want my

00:01:15   shortlist first so maybe you can add

00:01:16   some things yeah let's try that okay TIF

00:01:19   shortlist

00:01:19   we have Settlers of Catan we have Puerto

00:01:22   Rico Scrabble Agricola power grid power

00:01:26   grid factory manager Mille Bornes corkle

00:01:28   blackest Ticket to Ride balderdash the

00:01:31   construction game pictionary monopoly

00:01:33   clue and Bananagrams okay those are the

00:01:37   games I have on okay my short list in no

00:01:40   particular order my order was meant to

00:01:43   deceive I believe everything on my list

00:01:46   is on your list that's no surprise we

00:01:49   play games together so yeah so I want so

00:01:53   first of all let me disclaim upfront

00:01:54   there are certain games like Settlers of

00:01:57   Catan or Agricola Agricola there are

00:02:01   certain games like this where we are

00:02:02   probably not pronouncing the names

00:02:03   correctly

00:02:03   Agricola that sounds pretty good I

00:02:06   thought it was Agricole of it I don't

00:02:07   know Agricola I don't know it's like

00:02:10   well it's agriculture agriculture I

00:02:12   don't know right

00:02:13   so it sounds like Agricola yeah kula

00:02:18   however you pronounce that there's

00:02:19   somebody screaming while listening to

00:02:21   this right now that they know the

00:02:22   correct the right answer and we are

00:02:23   butchering it and they were just

00:02:24   screaming do you think we should never

00:02:25   had a chatroom show maybe maybe if the

00:02:29   listeners demanded enough there because

00:02:31   they're demanding all ten yeah they were

00:02:33   really ten people in there it would be

00:02:34   it would be not a lot of people

00:02:36   so especially because we record so

00:02:38   erratically whenever we can yeah we

00:02:40   would give people like thirty seconds

00:02:42   notice oh we're recording right now

00:02:46   alright so do you want to talk about

00:02:48   maybe some of the games in your list

00:02:49   that didn't make your top four before we

00:02:51   go into the top four um well I have a

00:02:53   really big list so a lot of the games

00:02:54   didn't make it and I'm pretty sure

00:02:56   probably some of them didn't make it for

00:02:58   the same reason that yours didn't make

00:02:59   it because I know you don't like games

00:03:02   with a lot of chance correct and that

00:03:05   drives you crazy when there's too much

00:03:07   chance and you feel like that nothing

00:03:09   you do will help you win or lose so you

00:03:12   want to feel in control of your gameplay

00:03:15   and the possibility of winning if every

00:03:17   game has a small amount of chance but

00:03:19   you're more happy with games with the

00:03:21   least amount of chance right in fact so

00:03:24   I mean I could I because I haven't even

00:03:26   picked my number my number one yet I'll

00:03:27   talk about the first one I put on my

00:03:28   list which is Puerto Rico it's the very

00:03:31   first one I thought of we haven't played

00:03:32   that one in so long I have it I don't

00:03:34   have it on my top 4 list because we

00:03:36   haven't played it in so long I don't

00:03:38   know and I feel like now that I know

00:03:39   spoiler if you buy your own boat you win

00:03:42   every time well not not every time I

00:03:44   approach win every time when I when you

00:03:46   get to buy your own boat I think well so

00:03:48   I've played a lot more than you except

00:03:50   played on the iPad and I've played it

00:03:52   more recently just because of that I pad

00:03:54   ones boring oh I like it anyway so and

00:03:57   one thing that very few of these like

00:03:59   awesome board games actually have good

00:04:01   iPad or computer versions and so it's a

00:04:04   pretty rare luxury when you find one and

00:04:06   Puerto Rico and Agricola Agricola

00:04:09   however it is they both have good iPad

00:04:11   versions neither of them are great but

00:04:14   both are good enough that if you enjoy

00:04:15   the game you will enjoy the iPad

00:04:17   versions anyway so I like Puerto Rico

00:04:20   because is what you just said that that

00:04:22   it doesn't have almost any luck like the

00:04:25   only random element in the game

00:04:27   is you know who you choose to go first

00:04:30   and and then the order in which the the

00:04:33   tiles come up for the the plantation

00:04:35   choice like when you get those tiles are

00:04:38   random that as far as I can't remember

00:04:40   that's the only random element in the

00:04:41   game and so almost everything you do is

00:04:45   a choice

00:04:47   you know you have made this decision it

00:04:48   will affect you like it is yours to win

00:04:51   or lose and besides that it is it you're

00:04:55   about to buy or not exactly it is you're

00:04:57   about to buy or not or you can buy all

00:04:59   the boats and blocked if out of them but

00:05:01   everyone knows I'm going to be buying

00:05:03   the boat get out of my way what is it

00:05:06   the wharf is the item that's it's one of

00:05:08   like the nine or the eight yeah

00:05:10   something like that but I always just go

00:05:12   for the boat and then there's one other

00:05:13   one too that if you get with the boat

00:05:15   the harbor I believe is so there's like

00:05:17   it's the one where you get one bonus

00:05:19   victory point for everything you ship

00:05:20   yes if you have those two together

00:05:22   because you're shipping on your own boat

00:05:24   yet is a clincher you are always gonna

00:05:26   win yeah it would you'd have to be very

00:05:28   bad at the game to have both of those

00:05:30   things and not win and I think see I

00:05:31   can't put it on my top four because now

00:05:33   that I figured that out as a player I

00:05:35   can't I know that that's the strategy to

00:05:37   win and I know if it doesn't happen for

00:05:39   me in the game I'm not going to win so I

00:05:42   kind of like it the magic is lost on me

00:05:45   well see to me that see what what makes

00:05:47   this game great is that everything you

00:05:50   do affects everyone else as well like

00:05:52   like you know in a game you take turns

00:05:54   and and like there's a certain number of

00:05:56   things you can pick from and you when it

00:05:59   comes to your turn you pick the thing

00:06:00   you want to do that round and you as the

00:06:03   person who picked it gets a small

00:06:04   advantage of that but every but whatever

00:06:07   you picked everyone else gets gets most

00:06:09   of that same benefit so if you pick for

00:06:11   instance the the mayor rate which which

00:06:13   lets you add more people to your

00:06:15   plantation then you know everyone else

00:06:18   gets to add people of their plantations

00:06:20   also you just get one more than they do

00:06:22   so it's a game where you have to very

00:06:24   much consider not only what is best for

00:06:27   you when it's your turn trying to pick

00:06:29   what to do but you got to make sure that

00:06:30   you're not going to really super

00:06:31   strongly benefit someone else you know

00:06:34   it to actually agree that it might hurt

00:06:37   you but at the same time if you don't

00:06:38   pick that thing then they probably will

00:06:40   when it come to comes around to them

00:06:41   so it's it's as weird tragedy that you

00:06:43   have to think about but I disagree with

00:06:45   you about about your hardware plus Wharf

00:06:47   thing in that that isn't just the one

00:06:49   strategy to win that is that is a

00:06:51   strategy that can win if if other people

00:06:55   are doing certain other things are not

00:06:56   doing them but the great thing about

00:06:58   this game is that you can't do the same

00:07:00   thing every game because whether that

00:07:02   can win will depend on what everyone

00:07:04   else is doing and if if so if the game

00:07:07   conditions are such like for example the

00:07:09   harbour and Wharf combo takes a long

00:07:11   time to get because those are two very

00:07:12   expensive items and money is pretty

00:07:14   scarce in this game so at least early on

00:07:17   so those are very hard to get for that

00:07:19   to work you have to you have to be in a

00:07:22   game where it's gonna it's gonna go on

00:07:25   for a while it's gonna take a lot of

00:07:26   turns and if if someone else is racing

00:07:30   towards one of the other conditions that

00:07:32   can end the game like filling up their

00:07:34   space with cheap buildings or filling up

00:07:36   their plantation you know with or

00:07:38   running out of people I forget some of

00:07:39   the other ones running out of victory

00:07:41   points in other ways like that strategy

00:07:43   only works if you have a long time with

00:07:45   those things to ship tons of goods with

00:07:48   them see now I think that this is where

00:07:49   you're getting all bogged down your

00:07:51   stupid iPad game because we play when we

00:07:54   play with people it's often someone who

00:07:56   hasn't played it as much as us and it is

00:07:59   or the or they are people who just

00:08:02   aren't as from like or they're just

00:08:04   totally new to the game right so they

00:08:06   either are less skilled than us or

00:08:09   totally new I don't think we've ever

00:08:11   played with someone who is at our skill

00:08:13   level of the game because we just don't

00:08:15   run into gaming nerds that cook that

00:08:18   often when we feel like hey let's play

00:08:21   so important go so whenever we're

00:08:24   playing live and in person no one else

00:08:26   has aggressive strategies so I get bored

00:08:29   playing it because I feel like I can

00:08:31   just slaughter everybody you should play

00:08:33   the iPad game it doesn't sound fun I

00:08:36   like anyway so Puerto Rico is it might

00:08:40   be my number one they thought it's close

00:08:42   and and I'm not alone in this decision

00:08:44   BoardGameGeek calm which is I think one

00:08:47   of the biggest if not the biggest

00:08:48   authorities in the geeky board game

00:08:50   world I already have to put a link in

00:08:52   our show notes you

00:08:53   BoardGameGeek maintains this like top

00:08:55   ranking list of like the top ranked

00:08:57   board games you know every you know

00:08:59   whatever all time every year whatever it

00:09:01   is and Puerto Rico was number one on

00:09:04   that list for a very long time four

00:09:06   years I think and I think it's still I

00:09:08   don't think it's number one anymore but

00:09:09   but I think it is still within the top

00:09:11   of you you know I I think all of my top

00:09:15   games are gonna be games that I haven't

00:09:17   really played much so I'm not very good

00:09:19   at yet because I find it enjoyable when

00:09:23   I can actually play the game and write

00:09:26   and enjoy the strategy of it without

00:09:29   knowing exactly how to win and play it

00:09:31   so yeah I'm totally bored of Puerto Rico

00:09:34   it's over for me

00:09:35   so what do want to talk about next I

00:09:38   think we should talk well I don't know

00:09:41   what what's yon you're shorty short list

00:09:43   so the next one I have on my list is

00:09:45   Agricola yeah that's my number one

00:09:48   really that's so it right now I have it

00:09:50   as number two below Puerto Rico but that

00:09:52   that's soft I could change that of

00:09:53   course Agricola's don't leave my number

00:09:55   one so why do you like it so much

00:09:58   I like it because you can stack all of

00:10:00   the animals so you like it because I

00:10:04   know as you're waiting for other people

00:10:07   to take their turns too slowly you can

00:10:09   have something to fidget with that's

00:10:10   pretty cool yeah they have very good

00:10:12   stackable pieces I love like making a

00:10:13   little cow towers good so yeah I like a

00:10:18   good fidget piece and I like when

00:10:20   they're stackable so that's a major plus

00:10:23   on why it moved up to number one slot

00:10:25   also it's fairly complicated I think

00:10:27   there's a lot of elements to the game

00:10:28   that even if you play it a lot you don't

00:10:31   get a chance to play every part of the

00:10:33   game in one round in one sitting of the

00:10:37   game so there was like a whole bunch of

00:10:38   things that you didn't get a chance to

00:10:39   do whether it's like some of the

00:10:41   occupation cards or building certain

00:10:44   types of cooking apparatus --is well

00:10:48   yeah you know you can that helped the

00:10:50   improvements yeah because I'm like once

00:10:53   the game starts going it starts off slow

00:10:54   but then it it just it rolls so quickly

00:10:57   into the end and everyone's like whoa I

00:10:59   just got a hang of this game and now

00:11:01   it's over and so you want to play again

00:11:03   and we've often played two rounds in

00:11:06   one night of that of that game because

00:11:08   once you get the hang of it and you

00:11:10   remember and you know because it goes a

00:11:12   long time between playing them when you

00:11:13   play it with people that you you just

00:11:16   want to play it again to see where how

00:11:18   far you can go and how far you can take

00:11:19   it and I still don't feel like I've

00:11:21   maxed out this game there still parts of

00:11:23   it that I find really intriguing and I

00:11:26   find yeah I don't always win and you

00:11:29   don't always win and you know that it's

00:11:31   it's still very random on who wins but

00:11:35   yet the luck factor is not that like the

00:11:38   chance the chance luck factor isn't very

00:11:40   great in this game either it's I think

00:11:42   it's a lot more skill yeah I'm trying to

00:11:44   think so B so I guess the most random

00:11:46   element in this game is the cards that

00:11:48   you're dealt the occupation and minor

00:11:49   improvement cards right but then you

00:11:50   kind of have a chance to get more and

00:11:53   you can kind of like use them or not use

00:11:55   them you don't have to focus on like the

00:11:57   randomness that you get it's more of

00:11:59   your deciding how you're filling up your

00:12:01   board and where you're focusing your

00:12:03   attention and if you're improving your

00:12:04   house if you're making a lot of grain if

00:12:07   you're making a lot of cooking a lot of

00:12:09   meat like you know so it's basically in

00:12:11   the game you have to the goal of the

00:12:12   game is to feed your family right yeah

00:12:16   and then to build like a big farm and

00:12:18   build a big farm and then make your

00:12:20   family larger and then so therefore you

00:12:21   can do more things if your family is

00:12:23   larger because you have more people in

00:12:25   order to accomplish more tasks and then

00:12:29   at the end of the game you have rounds

00:12:31   so the rounds go pretty regularly

00:12:33   there's nothing you can do to stop or

00:12:35   halt around from approaching you just

00:12:38   have to make sure you can feed your

00:12:39   family at the end of each round and

00:12:42   unless you then you get a penalty if you

00:12:45   can't then at the end of the game you

00:12:47   kind of tally up what you have and you

00:12:49   gain points from that and then the

00:12:50   winner it's the person with the most

00:12:51   points and there's also elements in the

00:12:54   game that will subtract points from your

00:12:56   total score so if you it it's also that

00:12:59   so it's all contingent on your own

00:13:01   gameplay you know there are other people

00:13:04   playing but you're kind of only playing

00:13:06   against them in the end right and and

00:13:08   it'll start competing for certain

00:13:10   resources but it's not as aggressive as

00:13:14   I'm gonna take this resource from you

00:13:16   it's more of this might be running out

00:13:18   or there's only one

00:13:19   so if you buy that first then you have

00:13:22   to buy the more expensive oven-like but

00:13:24   you know no one's gonna get locked out

00:13:25   of things completely well that's a big

00:13:28   game I don't know because there's only

00:13:29   two ovens if you play with more than two

00:13:31   but there's more there's more ways to

00:13:33   cook this you can't like you won't get

00:13:35   locked out of being able to you know

00:13:36   cook your own you know or or you can you

00:13:38   can just avoid cooking your animals and

00:13:40   get food in other ways right but at the

00:13:42   same time if you were you know gaining

00:13:44   money to buy your oven then that and

00:13:47   then the other person who wasn't with

00:13:49   gaining something else you know what I

00:13:51   mean so there's always a give-and-take

00:13:52   of what someone is working on I mean

00:13:54   plus they should have spotted you

00:13:55   stacking up all your clay exactly yeah

00:13:58   no I mean and that that game like you

00:13:59   mentioned the scoring like such certain

00:14:01   things will subtract once what I like

00:14:02   about it is you know it's your building

00:14:03   this farm and it's like you know you

00:14:05   have a house with a certain number of

00:14:06   people in it that you have to feed and

00:14:08   then you have you have cattle and you

00:14:10   have sheep you have all the animals you

00:14:12   have the pastures and they really get

00:14:13   this deck yeah and and you have like

00:14:17   these you have different crops you can

00:14:20   plant vegetables and and and grain to to

00:14:23   grow that and any of these things that

00:14:25   you don't do let's say you get to the

00:14:27   end of the game and you have no cows you

00:14:29   actually lose points for things that you

00:14:31   don't do so you really have to diversify

00:14:33   yeah like it it kind of forces you like

00:14:35   you you basically can't win if you like

00:14:37   hunker down and only do one strategy

00:14:39   because it's also there's a maximum

00:14:40   number of points you can earn from any

00:14:42   one category so it kind of forces you to

00:14:44   to really like try to do everything and

00:14:47   I think it is a little more competitive

00:14:49   than than what you just how you just a

00:14:51   curette described because every round

00:14:53   there's like certain spots on the board

00:14:55   that you that you can choose what to

00:14:57   take and whatever you take you only you

00:14:59   get that no one else gets that's true

00:15:00   that's where it's different from Puerto

00:15:01   Rico we're not like a round where it's

00:15:03   like okay you do you plate you decide to

00:15:05   play this way and then everyone else

00:15:07   gets to do it too and you get a bonus no

00:15:08   this is like you take the spot and

00:15:10   you're the only one that can so a field

00:15:13   or something for that entire round then

00:15:15   and and so and you know if you have a

00:15:17   bigger family which is a risk because

00:15:19   you have to feed them every round but if

00:15:20   you have a bigger family then you can

00:15:22   take more spots and so like there's the

00:15:24   there it's this game of really

00:15:25   calculated risk of like how long can I

00:15:29   wait before feeding time comes I don't

00:15:31   have enough food but if I pee it you

00:15:33   know if

00:15:33   by if I instead of getting food right

00:15:35   now if I take the risk that I'll be able

00:15:36   to find some later and right now I go

00:15:38   for that other cool thing on the board

00:15:40   cause no one's taken it yet you know

00:15:41   there's all these calculated risks you

00:15:43   have to you have to figure during that

00:15:45   game and and the bolder and riskier you

00:15:47   are generally the better you will do

00:15:48   like you know spanning your family

00:15:50   earlier so you can you can do more

00:15:51   things per turn but then you have to

00:15:53   feed those people so it is actually I

00:15:55   think pretty competitive I like it a lot

00:15:57   it is it if I would have played it more

00:16:00   than I have it might have become my

00:16:03   number one but because I played Puerto

00:16:04   Rico so much both in person and on the

00:16:06   iPad right now Puerto Rico is my number

00:16:08   one but I think Agricola is a solid

00:16:09   number two for me and it might

00:16:10   eventually become number one that's so

00:16:12   funny that your criteria for number one

00:16:13   is playing more and mine is playing

00:16:16   exactly

00:16:18   no it's Agricole is a great game you

00:16:20   know and and we haven't I mean as you

00:16:22   mentioned earlier we've barely scratched

00:16:23   the surface because there's this whole

00:16:25   this whole like different deck of cards

00:16:27   that you can that you can blend in and

00:16:29   we have used none of those we've only

00:16:31   there's like a super simple family mode

00:16:34   we don't play that we play that the

00:16:35   standard mode so it's like it's not the

00:16:37   super simplified one but it's the

00:16:39   regular set of cards with no extra cards

00:16:41   and that's all we've played so far and

00:16:44   even that like one one thing that that

00:16:47   Agricola has which I think Puerto Rico

00:16:48   does too but I think I recall is the

00:16:49   most aggressive on this front that the

00:16:52   game all of a sudden just ends like it's

00:16:58   over it's like I was planning I was

00:17:04   building this thing up and I was gonna

00:17:06   do it and then yeah like it's like these

00:17:08   awesome German games like a style of

00:17:10   this is like is it right as everything

00:17:12   starts to get going the game's over so

00:17:14   your biggest challenge really is is just

00:17:17   number of turns time it's like it's how

00:17:19   much you can get done before the game

00:17:21   ends and the game always ends before you

00:17:24   want it to like there's never enough

00:17:26   time and that I think that that alone

00:17:29   just doing it that way I think is a cool

00:17:30   way to do it because it's not like and

00:17:32   I'll get to things like monopoly in a

00:17:33   bit it's not like traditional style

00:17:36   board games where they just go on

00:17:37   seemingly forever

00:17:39   please monopoly people don't worry I got

00:17:40   your covered there but you know it it's

00:17:42   not like that these games they end

00:17:44   before you even want them to so it's

00:17:46   really hard to get boy

00:17:47   while playing these games yeah exactly

00:17:48   you don't get bored on these board games

00:17:50   nice thanks all right you want to take

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00:21:14   so we have Puerto Rico we have Agricola

00:21:16   and also I want I do want to mention

00:21:17   again Agricola has a great iPad version

00:21:19   the only thing is that it it try it

00:21:23   mimics too closely the board like Puerto

00:21:26   Rico you just in order to fit everything

00:21:28   on screen it has to like real rings away

00:21:31   certain things look and kind of compress

00:21:32   it down to its essence Agricola doesn't

00:21:35   do that it just like pans around this

00:21:36   giant so it's a little clumsy yeah if

00:21:40   you play Agricola you really need like a

00:21:42   pretty big table yeah because there

00:21:44   everyone has an individual board and

00:21:46   then there's like all these Center

00:21:47   boards and all these cards and yeah it's

00:21:49   it's pretty spread out you almost need

00:21:51   to play it on the floor yeah so anyway

00:21:55   moving on I wanted to next talk about

00:21:58   power grid the power grid didn't make my

00:22:02   list because I played it too much I'm

00:22:04   thinking good so one really good game

00:22:07   think of it one of the problems with

00:22:10   power grid is that our most common board

00:22:13   game player friends

00:22:14   our tips parents and it is among all the

00:22:18   games that we seem to play like this

00:22:19   they they've they've played almost all

00:22:21   of them and they are like they're not

00:22:23   geeks and so what's interesting is like

00:22:25   teaching them these games because some

00:22:27   of these games I think like oh this is

00:22:29   gonna be way too geeky for them they're

00:22:31   not gonna want to sit through all these

00:22:32   rules and everything and I'm wrong about

00:22:35   that every single time yeah like they

00:22:37   always get into it they always like it

00:22:39   even games like Agricola or Puerto Rico

00:22:41   that have a lot of rules and it's very

00:22:43   complex and takes a long time to set up

00:22:44   they first look at it and they're like

00:22:46   oh God

00:22:46   but then as soon as like as soon as we

00:22:48   explain it all and we start playing then

00:22:51   everyone's into it and there has never

00:22:53   once been a game where where anyone that

00:22:56   we've introduced it to whether it's them

00:22:57   are like you know my sister or brother

00:22:59   in law or anybody else like or you know

00:23:01   tips brother like we've introduced games

00:23:02   to lots of family members who are not

00:23:03   normally geeks you and Ryan my brother's

00:23:07   name is Ryan when you guys played power

00:23:10   grid like after everyone else did like

00:23:12   everyone else is kind of done like we

00:23:14   all probably around and you wanted to

00:23:16   play another round together and you play

00:23:17   like this lightning-fast round and that

00:23:19   was fantastic yeah guys yeah so anyways

00:23:22   a fun game these games are are if you

00:23:25   have been withholding these games from

00:23:27   like non geek members of your family or

00:23:29   friends because you don't think they'll

00:23:30   get it give them give them credit give

00:23:32   them a try because we have had only

00:23:34   fantastic luck introducing non geeks to

00:23:36   all these geeky games but we also kind

00:23:38   of hostage situation put them into

00:23:41   playing these games because we refuse to

00:23:42   watch movies with them because our taste

00:23:43   in movies are so different so it's

00:23:46   either like well if you want to spend

00:23:47   time with us at night we're gonna have

00:23:49   to play a board game that's there it in

00:23:52   our defense board games are way better

00:23:53   than watching movies with your parents

00:23:54   oh well because at least you get to talk

00:23:56   during board games and see each other

00:23:57   and during movies everyone just falls

00:23:59   asleep

00:23:59   exactly it's so late and everyone's

00:24:01   tired yeah so power grid so yeah as you

00:24:04   mentioned this this was this is the most

00:24:06   commonly picked game by your parents it

00:24:08   is their favorite it seems

00:24:10   and so you are sick of it I am not yet

00:24:12   your brother-in-law's 11th plains game

00:24:14   that's true yeah I have not yet sick of

00:24:16   power grid and part of that is because I

00:24:18   generally don't get sick of things I can

00:24:20   have the same thing and do the same

00:24:20   thing every day and be very happy really

00:24:22   you yeah surprising and but but part of

00:24:26   that also is is

00:24:28   I really do like it I don't think it is

00:24:30   I don't think it's number one I would

00:24:33   never put it as number one but it is a

00:24:36   really good game all around and I think

00:24:39   it is it might be among all the games

00:24:41   that we have introduced people to I

00:24:43   think it is one of the more accessible

00:24:45   ones and I think it's definitely we can

00:24:47   definitely say that it is like the

00:24:50   committee favorite it the crowd favorite

00:24:52   of like if you survey everyone like what

00:24:54   do you want to play tonight we have all

00:24:55   the different choices you know I'll want

00:24:57   to play something like power grid or

00:24:58   like Puerto Rico Riker Cola that's Mike

00:25:00   more complex or more crazy everyone

00:25:03   always agrees on power grid it's like

00:25:06   the cheese yes we can all agree on power

00:25:08   great pretty much that's how it happens

00:25:10   I mean the power grid also has like that

00:25:12   element of monopoly to it where you are

00:25:15   making money you know see you have

00:25:18   there's money in the game you have like

00:25:20   the paper money just like monopoly you

00:25:21   have little houses that represent towns

00:25:26   that you you know very similar to

00:25:28   monopoly where you have hotels that

00:25:30   you're you're taking land I guess in the

00:25:32   game and you have to kind of go through

00:25:35   a round in order to gather your

00:25:38   resources to power your town to then

00:25:41   make more money so and then the next

00:25:44   round starts and then you spend that

00:25:45   money getting what what's the word

00:25:49   energy

00:25:50   yeah well game resources to buy power

00:25:52   plants to to power your power plants and

00:25:56   then therefore power your cities and

00:25:57   then build more cities and so it's it's

00:26:00   very it's logical when you think about

00:26:04   how it's played it's not deep nothing's

00:26:06   buried in like secret cards or anything

00:26:08   it's all kind of laid out on the table

00:26:10   really simply but at the same time

00:26:12   there's a lot of strategy involved

00:26:13   there's very little luck and there's

00:26:15   very little chance right and and in

00:26:17   power grid it really is first and

00:26:20   foremost it is an economics game and it

00:26:23   is and you have to kind of judge like

00:26:25   you know what is the value of this power

00:26:27   plant to me and they're like the power

00:26:29   plants are sold by auction so you can

00:26:30   have to fight against everyone else but

00:26:32   that kind of gets fun because you get to

00:26:33   bid out loud you know and it's more

00:26:34   interactive it's not so stuck on the

00:26:37   board that's yeah that's a good point

00:26:38   that becomes more of like talking to

00:26:40   each other and making

00:26:41   jokes and bidding people up and you know

00:26:44   watching their eyes you have someone

00:26:45   that needs to play auctioneer because

00:26:46   otherwise someone would sit and think

00:26:47   about purchasing a power grid for like

00:26:49   80 years so it gets really fun yeah and

00:26:54   and it is also competitive like and

00:26:55   we've been lucky in areas like like you

00:26:58   know you it is kind of like a true

00:27:00   market on the resource side in that like

00:27:02   every round there's like only a certain

00:27:04   number of you know things of coal things

00:27:06   of oil etc and then your power plant

00:27:08   needs like one of those things and the

00:27:11   more people are buying something that

00:27:12   more expensive it gets automatically and

00:27:15   you can also run out of something

00:27:16   entirely so like if you buy resources

00:27:19   before someone else which is a strategic

00:27:21   element like if you kind of hang behind

00:27:23   in the game the way it's scored you get

00:27:25   all the advantages kind of like Mario

00:27:26   Cart so anyway there's all these

00:27:29   different facets of this game and you

00:27:31   can you can like screw somebody out of

00:27:32   like the last of the coal or something

00:27:34   and you also want to diversify from your

00:27:37   other players because if everyone's

00:27:39   going for coal powered power plants then

00:27:42   there's not going to be enough coal

00:27:43   resource in order to power these power

00:27:45   plants so if you see that everyone else

00:27:47   is bidding on coal power plants then you

00:27:49   might want to bid on the one that like

00:27:50   converts garbage into power so because

00:27:52   then you eventually will be paying less

00:27:54   than everyone else on your resource yeah

00:27:57   and in our games because our family is

00:27:59   either liberals or liberals in denial we

00:28:02   no one ever wants to buy garbage or

00:28:04   nuclear and so the and and whenever

00:28:07   someone's not buying something it

00:28:08   automatically gets cheaper and so

00:28:10   usually the eventually like I'm like I'm

00:28:12   like art fine I'll take the nuclear

00:28:14   because it's so cheap at this point it

00:28:15   makes no sense to buy anything else and

00:28:17   no one else wants it like yeah it helps

00:28:20   to kind of know who you're playing with

00:28:21   and and the clean-burning power plants

00:28:22   always the bidding the prices they go

00:28:25   for absolutely insane and that's the

00:28:27   thing there's no cap on how much you can

00:28:28   spend on a power plant right you just

00:28:30   how much money you have yeah it says

00:28:32   kind of what it's worth on the card but

00:28:34   as the bidding goes on you can just you

00:28:36   can spend as much as you want I mean

00:28:39   Ryan was went crazy and even over a

00:28:41   hundred dollars right yeah and kind of

00:28:46   paid off right or did it no it didn't he

00:28:48   lost by a dollar at the end of the game

00:28:50   yeah and so at the end of this game so

00:28:51   so you

00:28:52   can win by other means but we've had

00:28:55   many games where it's like you know you

00:28:57   win by a number of cities you power in

00:28:58   the last turn but if you tie with

00:29:01   somebody on that which often happens

00:29:02   then whoever has the most money between

00:29:04   those two players wins and so then like

00:29:06   all of your decision-making for the

00:29:08   entire game with like who do I spend the

00:29:09   extra two dollars for this expensive

00:29:11   coal here all that catches up to you at

00:29:14   the very end if you tie with somebody

00:29:15   which happens all the time

00:29:16   and we have we have really had many

00:29:19   games to be decided by one dollar or

00:29:22   three dollars yeah it's it's crazy like

00:29:25   how how tight it gets cuz it really is a

00:29:27   it's it's all about economics and and

00:29:30   cost efficiency and managing cost

00:29:31   efficiency and it does this in a way

00:29:33   that isn't boring because it sounds

00:29:35   really boring if we say the head but it

00:29:36   doesn't know what it isn't boring and

00:29:37   that people really get into now I want

00:29:39   to talk about power grid factory manager

00:29:41   which is a game we just recently started

00:29:43   playing I think we even played it just

00:29:44   once I think we did only played it last

00:29:47   Christmas because that's when we bought

00:29:49   it yeah it has very little to do with

00:29:50   power grid it really it's like the same

00:29:52   really different but it has very good

00:29:53   stackable pieces because it has a little

00:29:55   working men yes they stack in very great

00:29:57   little triangles and they look like

00:29:58   little cheerleader yeah like the

00:30:01   stackable

00:30:02   but I have that impossibly entering into

00:30:06   my top 4 list because I don't feel like

00:30:08   it's overplayed and I'm very interested

00:30:10   in playing it again I'm very excited

00:30:12   about it I had a lot of fun when we did

00:30:13   play it I can't remember the gameplay

00:30:15   for the life of me I can picture the

00:30:17   board but I can't remember how to play

00:30:19   it but it actually might make mine odd

00:30:21   because it doesn't bore me that's

00:30:24   amazing so and we should also point out

00:30:27   like power grid also has a pretty good

00:30:30   number of add-ons that you can buy to

00:30:33   either add more cards to the game which

00:30:34   we haven't done yet or what we have done

00:30:37   they actually sell alternate boards so

00:30:39   it comes with tool I can come to the

00:30:41   board is too sorry I did a lot like

00:30:42   Ticket to Ride from what I'm hearing is

00:30:44   that ticket to like which is what I have

00:30:45   on my short list but it didn't make the

00:30:47   top four I don't think it made the top 4

00:30:48   for you there's no a lot of chance in

00:30:50   that game but power grid and Ticket to

00:30:52   Ride also have varying maps that you can

00:30:55   play on that that bring more diversity

00:30:59   to each round yeah if you get bored

00:31:01   alright so I do feel like I have before

00:31:03   we get too far into anything else we

00:31:05   have to mention Carcassonne

00:31:06   because this is a game that is extremely

00:31:09   popular that we've never played so I'm

00:31:12   not judging it because I've just never

00:31:14   played it okay so many and check yeah so

00:31:16   just know that tell us about it we know

00:31:18   it exists it is on our list of things to

00:31:20   try but I like your feedback I do I like

00:31:23   it

00:31:23   oh yeah no feedback about everything

00:31:25   else is fine just know that we are aware

00:31:26   of Carcassonne existence and we have use

00:31:28   never played it okay I want to talk

00:31:30   about the construction game it's still

00:31:32   closed in our closet because we've only

00:31:34   played it at my parents house but it's

00:31:36   another game that I feel like is very

00:31:38   interesting the dynamic is really great

00:31:41   it's really fun to play in a group it's

00:31:42   competitive it is also kind of a it's

00:31:47   it's like a finance monopoly game again

00:31:49   yeah I would say it really bears a very

00:31:52   strong resemblance to Monopoly but it's

00:31:54   not just like monopoly the lost edition

00:31:57   you know it's not like that it's not

00:31:58   like construction monopoly it's not like

00:32:00   that it's actually called the

00:32:02   construction game it looks kind of just

00:32:03   like monopoly and you have to buy

00:32:06   equipment and you have to perform you

00:32:10   have to do jobs and you have to get win

00:32:12   bids to do the jobs with your equipment

00:32:14   and if you don't have the right

00:32:15   equipment to do the job

00:32:16   you know like anything you spend your

00:32:17   money to do all the stuff and then you

00:32:19   eventually win the game with the most

00:32:20   money is that right

00:32:21   they made it a long time we've played

00:32:23   Italy twice I know but it sounds like

00:32:25   five years ago I know and it lasts a

00:32:27   really really long time it is a

00:32:29   ridiculously long game but it's a lot of

00:32:32   fun it's it's very competitive it's very

00:32:35   energetic when you're playing with a

00:32:37   whole bunch of people who care very much

00:32:38   about playing the game yeah and I'm not

00:32:40   bored of it so it's like hovering I have

00:32:44   three I have three games that are

00:32:45   starred that I never get to play much

00:32:47   while you're on the subject let's

00:32:49   briefly talk about monopoly okay because

00:32:51   I need to talk I need to I need to talk

00:32:52   about it if you don't yeah I don't need

00:32:54   to talk about monopoly all right I'll

00:32:55   make it quick

00:32:56   okay so I have I have a history of when

00:32:59   I was growing up I was a massive

00:33:01   monopoly geek during the summer as I had

00:33:04   this group of friends that I see every

00:33:05   summer and we would play almost every

00:33:08   day at least once almost every day for a

00:33:11   good three or four summers that's a lot

00:33:13   of Monopoly we were really bored I mean

00:33:15   we were nerds we were too young to do

00:33:17   anything interesting and there weren't

00:33:18   any good German board games yet

00:33:20   we I mean we were like you know 13 or

00:33:22   something mean we were you know it

00:33:23   wasn't it wasn't a good time so so we

00:33:26   could do that so we did anyway so so

00:33:30   I've played a lot of Monopoly I've read

00:33:32   a couple of Monopoly books when I was a

00:33:33   teenager like the various strategy books

00:33:36   yeah I got my library anyway so monopoly

00:33:42   gets it gets a worse rap it is a better

00:33:43   game than those people think and there

00:33:45   have been a couple of other podcasts

00:33:46   about this I there I believe there was

00:33:47   an episode of unjust Amon lying about it

00:33:49   anyway I'll find it link to it but any

00:33:51   more links sorry more show notes anyway

00:33:55   you're the one dropping all these show

00:33:58   know that all over the place anyway so

00:34:06   monopoly gets it gets a worse rap than

00:34:08   it deserves because most people don't

00:34:11   actually do the rules most people have

00:34:13   House Rules

00:34:13   that quote make it more fun that usually

00:34:16   and involve injecting more money into

00:34:18   the game and when and then then they all

00:34:20   complain that takes forever and they

00:34:23   don't never connect the two dots to

00:34:25   realize monopoly ends when people go

00:34:27   bankrupt so if you inject money into the

00:34:29   game it will take longer for people to

00:34:31   go bankrupt that never crosses people's

00:34:34   mind and and so they and or they've just

00:34:36   they think they know how to play the

00:34:38   game and they never actually read the

00:34:40   rules like because they were just taught

00:34:42   when they were a kid and they just keep

00:34:43   playing the way they always have and

00:34:44   they ever actually read the rules which

00:34:45   are surprisingly short and so yeah rule

00:34:49   Monopoly rules are pretty much word of

00:34:50   mouth at this point yeah one's gonna

00:34:52   pick up that book like have you ever

00:34:53   read the rules to Scrabble I haven't no

00:34:55   I don't even know I have no idea what

00:34:56   the rules are I just know how to play I

00:34:57   think you know yeah it's one of those

00:34:58   things that you just learn how to play

00:35:00   right you're like as you're

00:35:01   indoctrinated into being a human you

00:35:03   just kind of play right so but you know

00:35:05   in in short if you think that you get

00:35:09   extra money for letting on free parking

00:35:10   or if you think that you don't get to

00:35:13   collect rent or anything in jail or if

00:35:15   you think that there's no auctions you

00:35:18   need to go read the rules no it's like

00:35:19   the big ones that most people don't know

00:35:22   turns out jail is awesome in late game

00:35:25   and free parking does nothing and

00:35:28   auctions are a critical part of the game

00:35:29   and yeah also buy the oranges anyway

00:35:33   everyone knows that by now I think

00:35:34   anyway monopoly is a very good game now

00:35:37   there there was a thing that was put out

00:35:39   some article I will not be able to find

00:35:41   this for the show notes but some article

00:35:42   that was put out about like what makes

00:35:43   games seem more fun and fair versus

00:35:47   others and monopoly does very poorly on

00:35:49   this kind of test so like one thing that

00:35:52   makes you gain like more fun for most

00:35:53   people to play is like do people get

00:35:56   eliminated midway through and they just

00:35:57   can't play and have to wait for everyone

00:35:59   else to finish the game because like

00:36:00   that's no fun for those people you

00:36:02   talked about that in our first show I

00:36:03   did youdid I know I talked about it was

00:36:06   on ATP anyway no sorry it was our very

00:36:07   first show of anyway games all right so

00:36:09   so there's there's that kind of thing

00:36:11   where like you know they're there or

00:36:13   certain factors like you know does one

00:36:15   person like really tear away at the

00:36:16   beginning and just have a huge lead that

00:36:18   just is insurmountable and you can tell

00:36:20   early on and then it's not fun to

00:36:22   continue that game right so there's

00:36:23   there's things like that that makes

00:36:25   certain games more or less fun a

00:36:26   monopoly does very badly on all those

00:36:28   things it is really a very old-school

00:36:30   kind of game there is a lot of luck

00:36:32   involved although not as much as most

00:36:34   people think if you if you kind of you

00:36:35   know know the numbers and you know the

00:36:37   stats of what could land it on but

00:36:38   anyway I'm gonna start cutting you off

00:36:40   about your monopoly time let's know but

00:36:41   so so I do think overall though I'll

00:36:44   close it out here I do think overall

00:36:45   monopoly is a better game than most

00:36:48   people give it credit for and it is

00:36:49   overall a pretty good game it does not

00:36:52   make my top 4 but it would probably make

00:36:55   my top 10 okay I have another old-school

00:36:58   game I want to bring up okay it's clue

00:37:01   really I really really like clue I do

00:37:05   [Laughter]

00:37:10   well come on monopoly is monopoly but

00:37:13   clue is not clue clue clue it's clear

00:37:17   there was a movement it was really good

00:37:19   I love clue the movie okay so I really

00:37:25   like the game clue no one ever wants to

00:37:27   play clue I had it as a kid and no one

00:37:29   ever wants to play this is the story of

00:37:31   your life but no one ever wants to play

00:37:32   or you know whatever wants to play my

00:37:34   favorite games I don't know I just like

00:37:36   the little rooms and I like the little

00:37:38   pieces and I'll you know having them all

00:37:43   in the different rooms and making

00:37:45   guesses and accusing people I was like

00:37:47   games

00:37:47   where you get to talk to people a little

00:37:48   bit yeah so I clue as a contender I

00:37:53   don't know if I'm gonna put it on my

00:37:54   list there's there's one slot open on my

00:37:56   list for a power grid factory manager

00:38:00   construction game or clue is what I have

00:38:03   hovering in the lot but I don't know

00:38:05   thank you so Peregrine factory manager

00:38:07   and concession game are both games that

00:38:09   you've played almost never and clearly

00:38:11   there's a game that what was the last

00:38:12   time you played games that I haven't

00:38:17   played a lot because I'm not bored with

00:38:19   them it's not like you just hate games I

00:38:21   love I don't like tired games I don't

00:38:24   like things that I'm tired of yeah well

00:38:27   you're the kind of person you get sick

00:38:28   of things pretty easily and I'm I'm the

00:38:30   guy to never get sick of things on from

00:38:32   everything you've been like jobs you're

00:38:34   the only thing that's stuck around

00:38:36   everything except me yeah I like you

00:38:38   maybe our dog and kid yeah our dog and

00:38:40   kid are good too games and stuff and

00:38:48   yeah hobbies I just move on I'm a

00:38:53   renaissance woman I know a little bit of

00:38:56   a little a whole bunch of things okay

00:38:58   well I think that's a fair analogy we're

00:39:01   gonna move on in case it isn't so I've

00:39:05   only played clue maybe twice and it was

00:39:08   a play clue I I can't judge it I like I

00:39:11   don't think I've ever played it as an

00:39:12   adult and so I don't really know like

00:39:14   objectively I might like it also because

00:39:16   I do really like the movie so maybe them

00:39:19   together that's most like movie and the

00:39:21   game I really like together is that what

00:39:25   if you watch the movie while playing the

00:39:28   game sounds of me it's like my dream of

00:39:32   eating Chinese food while people in

00:39:33   movies are eating Chinese food well I

00:39:37   really I just want to be eating Chinese

00:39:39   food out of a box with chopsticks while

00:39:42   I happen to accidentally be watching a

00:39:44   movie that the characters do that to and

00:39:46   I will feel so satisfied if that happens

00:39:49   because I always want Chinese food when

00:39:51   I see people eating Chinese food that

00:39:54   makes sense okay anyway please somewhere

00:39:58   on your list maybe a number four yeah

00:40:01   about another game that nobody ever

00:40:02   plays with me let's do it it's

00:40:06   balderdash

00:40:07   I love the game folder - I think it's

00:40:09   balderdash close enough and I played it

00:40:14   for the first time when I was a kid at

00:40:16   my friend's house and ever since then I

00:40:18   have asked for it for Christmas and I

00:40:21   never got it my entire childhood my

00:40:23   entire young adult life my entire

00:40:26   teenage life like I just I would always

00:40:29   be like what you offer Chris Ivy I love

00:40:31   that game folder - and no one would ever

00:40:33   ever get it and then one day one amazing

00:40:36   amazing Christmas my dear loving husband

00:40:39   finally finally after like six years he

00:40:44   finally bought me the game of balderdash

00:40:46   and now nobody plays it with me yeah and

00:40:49   no one ever ever plays it with me

00:40:52   everyone wants to play something else

00:40:53   every time and I and I feel so bad now

00:40:57   because I like beg people I'm like it's

00:40:58   gonna be really fun and then I get

00:40:59   nervous it's not gonna be fun because I

00:41:01   really like it because you've hyped it

00:41:03   up so much how many so I was high wait

00:41:07   wait wait and in addition to that so the

00:41:09   incomparable they play balderdash

00:41:11   and every time I have not been able to

00:41:14   join them yeah I've had something really

00:41:16   like I really could not change the times

00:41:18   that I could play like I could not play

00:41:21   any time they've invited me to play it's

00:41:24   the game that just is just right at the

00:41:28   reach of my fingertips and I cannot grab

00:41:29   on to it I love balderdash

00:41:32   and so after all that how many times

00:41:36   have you actually played the game

00:41:38   probably like six times but it's so good

00:41:43   I love making up stuff and I love when

00:41:45   people make up stuff it's funny it's

00:41:48   like pictionary but words and it's great

00:41:50   maybe we're doing you a favor by not

00:41:52   playing it with you because I would've

00:41:54   liked it otherwise it wouldn't make my

00:41:56   list yeah because you just hate

00:41:58   everything you play too much we don't

00:41:59   want to keeping me interested maybe like

00:42:02   I like the mystery will agree to play it

00:42:05   like every 10 years I love the mystery

00:42:10   that is bolder - and this one of this

00:42:12   game is to where you need more than two

00:42:14   people right

00:42:15   you do it yeah it's not as fun you need

00:42:17   like a group and you need to be in a

00:42:19   certain mindset to like you have to be

00:42:21   like an active group that's willing to

00:42:22   start like making up stuff and being a

00:42:24   little funny and you know you can't just

00:42:26   be a sleepy well let's play a board game

00:42:29   kind of group you have to be ready for

00:42:31   it right and it's and like that's one

00:42:34   thing to mention like a lot of these

00:42:35   games unfortunately like a lot of the

00:42:36   best ones can't be played with just two

00:42:38   people you know lots of people can get

00:42:40   one other person who agree to agree to

00:42:42   play a game with them you know whether

00:42:43   it's your partner or your sibling or

00:42:45   whatever like lots of people can get

00:42:47   like you know one person to agree but

00:42:49   but many of these games require at least

00:42:51   three people

00:42:52   yeah and that's where we get all tripped

00:42:53   up yeah that we never get to play those

00:42:55   games cuz we're just two people yeah and

00:42:57   then by the time Adams old enough he's

00:42:59   not gonna want to hang out with us no no

00:43:00   no or or he will hate all these games

00:43:02   cuz they'll be they'll be you know when

00:43:04   he's younger

00:43:04   they'll frustrate him you know and when

00:43:07   he gets older then he won't wanna hang

00:43:08   out with us yeah yeah we'll find out

00:43:10   eventually anyway maybe when he's 30

00:43:13   he'll be willing to play with us why do

00:43:14   you have one game on my list that we

00:43:16   have a two-person version that we've

00:43:17   never played well PowerGrid has a tube

00:43:20   that's how ryan and i played but what's

00:43:21   your what you--what is your other one

00:43:22   block Asst yeah block is totally made

00:43:25   like my list i love block and it made my

00:43:28   list as well really yeah that's so

00:43:29   surprising because it's a really really

00:43:31   it's a really really simple game it's

00:43:33   pretty much like it's almost like a

00:43:34   board game version of Tetris with other

00:43:36   players yeah you you're the goal is you

00:43:39   have a gridded a gridded did you have a

00:43:44   grid board yes it has like ridges and

00:43:47   you have little clear kind of colored

00:43:49   tie like um and they look like Tetris

00:43:52   pieces but it isn't just things with

00:43:55   five blocks in them and you eat each

00:43:56   person has a color and you have to fit

00:43:59   them on to this grid in a certain way

00:44:01   touching the other players pieces in one

00:44:03   certain way and the goal is to get rid

00:44:06   of all of your pieces and fill up this

00:44:08   board so it's kind of like a land grab

00:44:09   kind of game and it's really very fun

00:44:12   because you can play it very quickly

00:44:14   there's an almost notes that there's no

00:44:16   setup really besides giving out the

00:44:18   pieces but we have them all in neat

00:44:19   little bags because we are totally nerds

00:44:22   so the setups really easy the teaching

00:44:25   people how to play is really easy so

00:44:27   there's almost no

00:44:28   um what's that word when there's no

00:44:31   learning curve learning curve to play

00:44:34   this game and it's it's just really

00:44:35   simple and fun and it's difficult to be

00:44:38   bored of it because it's every game is

00:44:41   different

00:44:41   yeah Blancas has often been our dessert

00:44:44   game like we will play one of the big

00:44:46   complicated or an appetizer game yeah

00:44:49   right yeah like so we'll play like one

00:44:50   of the big complicated games like I

00:44:51   could Cola or Puerto Rico that takes it

00:44:53   the whole table and lots of setup time

00:44:54   we'll play one of those and at the end

00:44:56   of that it'll be like you know 10:30 I'm

00:44:58   like well we don't really want to start

00:44:59   a whole other one of those but how about

00:45:01   a quick round of blacas or while

00:45:02   someone's cleaning up the kitchen which

00:45:04   is usually unfortunately my mom and the

00:45:06   rest of us are like let's play a game

00:45:07   real quick but while we wait for

00:45:09   everyone to be done you know to go down

00:45:10   and actually play the big game then we

00:45:13   play a quick round to block us because

00:45:15   it's so quick yeah but they have a - you

00:45:16   have to buy a separate board to play two

00:45:18   people yeah there's also a three player

00:45:20   like a triangular version right there's

00:45:22   that one yeah I saw it online there

00:45:24   there is a three player version but the

00:45:25   so that's so the only limitation with

00:45:28   placas is that you have to play four

00:45:29   players yeah you can't play like three

00:45:32   to five people on the same board it's

00:45:33   like no this board this board requires

00:45:35   exactly four flame so you really have to

00:45:37   think about strategy and how you're

00:45:38   gonna play these gonna place your pieces

00:45:40   and how you're gonna block somebody and

00:45:42   how you're going to because if you play

00:45:44   a certain piece at the very end you get

00:45:46   super bonus points and you're super cool

00:45:48   but it is actually it's very very

00:45:50   difficult to to play all of your pieces

00:45:52   yeah it is it is a surprising like it

00:45:55   looks really simple but it is not easy

00:45:57   you it yeah you can learn it very

00:45:59   quickly but it is very hard to master

00:46:01   yeah and it's it that's another game

00:46:03   where like everybody we have introduced

00:46:05   it to not only gets it immediately but

00:46:06   also likes it pretty much you know

00:46:08   pretty well yeah and every time you play

00:46:10   it you're like okay let's play again

00:46:11   yeah another one yeah dump it out play

00:46:14   again or like if you if you have a

00:46:16   situation like a bigger gathering where

00:46:19   you have like multiple people cycling in

00:46:20   and out of playing the game then it's a

00:46:23   good it's a good game for that because

00:46:24   like a round of lock it only takes like

00:46:26   a half-hour maybe and then you can you

00:46:28   can like bring in a new a new person in

00:46:29   case oh yeah okay I'm done whoo let's

00:46:32   play next and it's it you can rotate in

00:46:34   and out it's really great that way

00:46:35   that's cool we should have one of those

00:46:36   out next time we have a party yeah it's

00:46:38   a good idea the block is station yeah I

00:46:40   would rent I rank block is right now I

00:46:42   have

00:46:42   Blagh into my number-4 spot i have

00:46:44   blockage I might move it up we'll see I

00:46:46   think I might move it up to number two

00:46:48   because my number two spots empty now

00:46:49   that we're talking about it I thought

00:46:51   that once we started discussing these I

00:46:53   would start loving them more or less

00:46:56   depending on how we talked about them

00:46:58   out loud so I think Bacchus will be my

00:47:00   number two nice because it's exciting

00:47:03   you know it's fun and it's quick it's

00:47:05   great and the only other other game on

00:47:07   my list is that we talked about which

00:47:09   kind it was also on your list and then

00:47:10   we'll talk about any extras that you

00:47:11   have is Bananagrams I have Bananagrams I

00:47:15   love that that's another quick fun it's

00:47:19   another game because it has you know

00:47:22   it's basically like speed Scrabble

00:47:24   almost like it's it's very you I mean

00:47:27   because real Scrabble is just too long

00:47:29   it is it takes too long everyone thinks

00:47:31   about their words too long yeah and like

00:47:34   everyone gets bored waiting for the

00:47:35   person like waiting for each person to

00:47:37   think about their word oh yeah you know

00:47:39   words with friends is actually better

00:47:42   than playing Scrabble better it is

00:47:45   because you don't have to actually like

00:47:46   you could go on with your life while

00:47:48   you're waiting for someone to play yeah

00:47:50   what it feels like when you're really

00:47:51   sitting there playing Scrabble you're

00:47:52   like I could just be doing anything else

00:47:54   right now yeah yeah I don't really do

00:47:57   not like playing Scrabble in person and

00:47:58   and most games I would prefer to play

00:48:01   like the hardcopy Scrabble is one of the

00:48:03   few where that's not the case

00:48:04   me too but anyway so but Bananagrams is

00:48:08   really great because so you know so it

00:48:10   literally is a bag shaped like a banana

00:48:13   full of little Scrabble tiles and

00:48:17   there's no points to them it's just the

00:48:19   letters and the game is you dump them

00:48:22   all out in the pile in the middle and

00:48:23   then like you like speed try to assemble

00:48:27   what is basically a valid Scrabble board

00:48:29   in your own little place at the table

00:48:30   that's like low Scrabble board yeah like

00:48:32   so you aren't competing with anyone else

00:48:34   on anything except so on yeah all your

00:48:35   words have to connect and they have to

00:48:36   all be real words yeah but and there's

00:48:39   no scoring so it's like whoever whoever

00:48:40   wins first basically right once all the

00:48:43   tiles are gone whoever has like a legit

00:48:46   finished board first wins right like no

00:48:49   no word no tiles that you haven't placed

00:48:51   in 2,000 words yet yeah yeah and I so it

00:48:54   it's a very quick very low effort

00:48:56   in a very low barrier game so again

00:48:59   perfect game for the end of a night or a

00:49:02   time when you don't have a lot of you

00:49:05   know a much time to play it also is is

00:49:08   very tolerant of different numbers of

00:49:09   players and you could probably play with

00:49:11   anything to an upright probably yeah

00:49:13   yeah so you're on a piece is basically

00:49:15   another game like this so that we should

00:49:16   mention is corkle that a lot of people

00:49:18   have really liked and we've showed them

00:49:19   that game and that is matching colors

00:49:22   and shapes so it's not good for your

00:49:24   colorblind friends but other than that

00:49:26   all sergeant

00:49:28   yes that it that's also a really good

00:49:32   fun kind of making grids of colors and

00:49:37   shapes in different patterns and

00:49:38   configurations yeah it's almost like

00:49:40   dominoes in a way but it's like it's

00:49:42   different rules you know yeah if you

00:49:44   haven't played corkle and you like

00:49:46   little fast kind of appetizer dessert

00:49:48   games then you should check out corkle

00:49:50   it so it's a good one to buy for

00:49:52   Christmas actually because yeah it's fun

00:49:54   family game yeah if you if you have a

00:49:57   family gathering and and you want to

00:49:59   like bring something for the family to

00:50:00   do quark roll Bananagrams and block it

00:50:03   yep those three things are our solid

00:50:06   picks and I also really like the sets

00:50:09   the card game set set set that's right

00:50:12   yeah I like that one a lot

00:50:13   that one hurts my brain I like that

00:50:16   one's really fun I love that game the

00:50:18   best thing either the colorblind not

00:50:21   compatible no game the the best thing

00:50:23   about set is how ridiculous you look

00:50:26   while you're playing it because

00:50:27   everyone's just staring at yes like have

00:50:30   a grid of cards that you placed out and

00:50:32   everyone is silently very intently

00:50:35   almost never blinking staring at this

00:50:37   game it looks so weird if you walk fast

00:50:40   a group of people playing with that they

00:50:42   look like they're possessed it's it's

00:50:45   amazing that that to me is the best part

00:50:47   it isn't a bad game it just I don't I

00:50:50   don't like it as much I love that game

00:50:52   too

00:50:52   so that's that's my whole list what do

00:50:55   you what else do you have on yours that

00:50:56   we haven't talked about on the big list

00:50:57   um

00:50:58   pictionary I guess would be one of the

00:51:00   big ones that we haven't really talked

00:51:02   about I've had a number of pictionary

00:51:03   birthdays yes it turns out a pictionary

00:51:07   Ballack we just play it kind of like the

00:51:09   old TV shows

00:51:10   where we just have groups of people on

00:51:13   teams and we go back and forth and we

00:51:14   just try and draw like an entire card in

00:51:17   what five minutes or less yeah well you

00:51:20   knew it like when when you first wanted

00:51:22   a pictionary party like six years ago I

00:51:25   went and bought like the cheapest like

00:51:27   office easel stand I could get in Haven

00:51:29   and the giant flipchart paper pads it

00:51:32   ended up being so much fun everyone got

00:51:33   really really into it yeah you spend

00:51:35   like 40 bucks and you have like this

00:51:36   awesome pictionary set and we played it

00:51:39   multiple times with at the end of

00:51:40   parties and it's gone over really well

00:51:42   and again we don't really adhere to the

00:51:44   rules very much it's more like here's a

00:51:46   card let's draw the whole card as fast

00:51:48   as you can and have your team guess yeah

00:51:50   or you know you have two minutes draw as

00:51:51   much of the card as you can and then you

00:51:53   know it's like tally points and yes we

00:51:55   do it really very um yeah I don't

00:51:58   laissez I'm not sure I've ever used the

00:51:59   board in pictionary no the board's

00:52:01   pretty boring yeah like when you do it

00:52:03   actually it's like yeah it's too boring

00:52:05   drawing on a giant flip chart is is much

00:52:08   better like speed speed drawing and you

00:52:10   like every one and it it's a fun game

00:52:12   whether you can draw or you can't

00:52:13   because people who can it's amazing how

00:52:16   much they can get out but yet people

00:52:18   still can't guess it and the people who

00:52:20   can't draw that's what's also extremely

00:52:23   funny seeing horrible stick figures and

00:52:26   like just completely deformed animals

00:52:29   that they're trying to convey pictures

00:52:31   of and it's great but what I like about

00:52:32   about that though is that artistic skill

00:52:36   does not seem to correlate to how good

00:52:38   you are pictionary exactly like it

00:52:40   because it isn't about draw a version of

00:52:43   this that looks good it's it's closer to

00:52:45   like icon or sign design in that it's

00:52:47   more like you have to communicate this

00:52:50   idea with imagery how how quickly and

00:52:54   effectively can you communicate this

00:52:55   idea which is it's it's a similar but

00:52:59   not the same skill and so like like I

00:53:02   can't draw for crap but I'm a little bit

00:53:04   better at that at that other skill than

00:53:06   I am at drawing so I can I can do okay

00:53:08   in fiction airy and I'm okay in picture

00:53:11   you do very long pictionary

00:53:12   yeah well it's icon design basically but

00:53:15   you also need a good to a team that can

00:53:17   guess - I mean we yes I'm the worst

00:53:19   guesser someone the true like this

00:53:20   amazing pagoda right or

00:53:23   something like that they drew it it

00:53:25   looked exactly like it but nobody on the

00:53:27   team knew what a pagoda was so they

00:53:29   couldn't get yeah it's like that was

00:53:31   such a good drawing but it's still fail

00:53:33   yeah yeah I'm much better at the drawing

00:53:36   part that I'm the guessing part yeah I

00:53:37   think you are a very good guesser aren't

00:53:39   you I don't know I just really like

00:53:40   playing the game it's it's one of those

00:53:42   things like the same kind of group that

00:53:44   would get into playing balderdash would

00:53:45   get into playing pictionary the way we

00:53:47   play it you just want us to play

00:53:49   balderdash so much only cuz we know

00:53:52   whatever plays balderdash with me

00:53:54   alrighty more no just being sad about

00:53:57   balderdash alright so but we have Mille

00:53:59   Bornes that was the other one I forgot

00:54:02   my Mille Bornes man you played that I

00:54:03   played that a lot in my childhood my

00:54:05   parents with my mom yeah my mom was

00:54:07   really into it as well and so I

00:54:08   discovered that like as a teenager she

00:54:09   really brought it back out there's old

00:54:10   ones in the 70 yeah I've played the one

00:54:12   from the 70s too and then we went on

00:54:14   eBay when we became our own little

00:54:16   family and also bought a set from the

00:54:18   70s because that's what we were used to

00:54:20   playing the new ones look really weird

00:54:21   yes it was like because the arts the

00:54:23   arts all different now and yeah and this

00:54:25   is this is a French driving game it's

00:54:26   played with cards and you have to get up

00:54:30   to speed and drive and so you get like

00:54:32   these speed cards it's show you how fast

00:54:35   your car is going but then same time you

00:54:37   get sabotages where like your tire gets

00:54:39   flat you run out of gas or and you have

00:54:41   to accomplish a thousand miles that's

00:54:44   yeah it's a meal mi yeah yeah Mille

00:54:49   Bornes 2000 1000 miles yeah and it's all

00:54:52   the games also call a thousand miles in

00:54:53   some places but yeah like France maybe

00:54:57   but yeah so and that too else yeah that

00:55:02   yeah I haven't played in a long time but

00:55:03   I did play it a lot recently together

00:55:05   you know and when we lived above Pizza

00:55:08   Grill so five years ago yeah so yeah ok

00:55:11   so so we played it recently five years

00:55:13   ago and before that like I I had that

00:55:16   game on my Palm Pilot and so I played I

00:55:19   played it a lot I remember like when I

00:55:20   worked at Staples in college I played it

00:55:22   a lot in the staples break room nothing

00:55:25   else to do well meal war is a really

00:55:27   good game so if anyone hasn't played it

00:55:28   and hasn't heard of it I highly suggest

00:55:30   it it's a really fun it's again you can

00:55:32   play with two players so that's really

00:55:34   good yeah it's one of the few it's a

00:55:36   really good rainy afternoon

00:55:37   if you want to teach your kids to it's a

00:55:39   kid-friendly game

00:55:40   yeah and it's and there's a little bit

00:55:42   of a little bit of aggression because

00:55:43   you can't like throw hazards at people

00:55:45   like cuz like you you don't just come

00:55:47   upon a flat tire you're you know wife or

00:55:50   mom gives you the flat tire and yes

00:55:55   anyway it's it's a good game it is not

00:55:58   like - the level of quality oh you know

00:56:00   what we should really talk about

00:56:01   settlers oops

00:56:02   no I don't want to talk about Sadler's

00:56:04   but we if you don't talk about settlers

00:56:07   we're gonna hear from what time is it

00:56:09   well this is the last thing we're

00:56:10   talking about so and then well then

00:56:14   we'll say our list and we'll be done

00:56:15   yeah so settlers settlers we have so

00:56:20   many expansion packs that we've never

00:56:21   ever opened because we play this game

00:56:24   there's and for us and especially I

00:56:26   think for you how we open the show I

00:56:28   guess it's a good way to close the show

00:56:29   is this is a game with tons of chance

00:56:32   yes and so the chance aspect of this

00:56:35   game kind of keeps us from really

00:56:37   enjoying it I like playing it a lot more

00:56:40   than you do because I find that the

00:56:41   chance element actually keeps a little

00:56:43   bit more fun for me but yeah it's not I

00:56:47   I want to play other things more than I

00:56:49   always want to play settlers yeah

00:56:51   settlers to me it's a I say this with

00:56:55   all the good and bad that comes with

00:56:56   this it is the Starbucks of modern geeky

00:57:00   games in the sense that Starbucks kind

00:57:05   of rescued the world in a way and that

00:57:07   they weren't the only ones to do but

00:57:08   they're like the biggest like the

00:57:09   headliners and the most popular who

00:57:11   rescued the world from like the old like

00:57:14   50s way of just like the cheapest

00:57:16   possible cheap crap Coffee gas station

00:57:19   coffee Folgers etc and they introduced

00:57:21   the world to the concept of you know

00:57:23   what coffee can be better than that and

00:57:25   I don't like Starbucks really I think

00:57:27   you can do way better than Starbucks if

00:57:29   you put some care and effort into it

00:57:30   yourself but I can't deny that Starbucks

00:57:34   has had the effect on the world of

00:57:37   reintroducing the world to good coffee

00:57:39   and I feel like settlers has kind of

00:57:43   done that to boardgames like it geeks

00:57:46   have known about settlers since the late

00:57:48   90s early 2000s it has come like

00:57:51   our mainstream and I'd say the last you

00:57:53   know five years or so but it's not new

00:57:55   and and it was the game that geeks who

00:57:59   knew about it could use in like 2002 to

00:58:03   introduce the rest of their friends to

00:58:05   the concept of better board games than

00:58:07   monopoly in Candyland you know it's very

00:58:09   accessible board game yeah and so it is

00:58:12   often the first or only modern and geeky

00:58:15   board game that people have played and

00:58:16   so I give a credit for that it does

00:58:19   deserve that credit we loved it in the

00:58:21   beginning you played it a lot and we

00:58:22   really really liked it but then we just

00:58:24   started finding new things yeah I used

00:58:27   to go to Starbucks every day for like a

00:58:29   year I'm gonna Starbucks every day we

00:58:30   still go to Starbucks over on road trips

00:58:32   we have no choice don't tell anybody

00:58:33   sorry I took that picture of you once my

00:58:38   miserable face yeah no I mean Starbucks

00:58:42   you know Starbucks is fine it's not

00:58:44   great it's fine that's what I think

00:58:46   about settlers it's fine

00:58:48   you know it is better than a lot of

00:58:50   games that came before it and it really

00:58:51   does deserve credit for assuring in the

00:58:54   mainstream to the idea of better newer

00:58:58   geekier games than what we all played

00:59:00   growing up but you can do a lot better I

00:59:03   think yeah that makes sense

00:59:06   that's how I feel all right so what you

00:59:08   talk for oh okay so number one I have

00:59:11   Agricola number two I have block as'

00:59:13   number three uh I kind of want to like

00:59:18   dump all the quick board the quick games

00:59:19   all like together like oh so you have

00:59:22   three number three's is that what you're

00:59:24   saying this is going horribly I want to

00:59:28   put balderdash on there but I feel like

00:59:30   I love it so much and no one ever ever

00:59:32   plays it with me it's like it's so hyped

00:59:34   up in my mind I did I'm so nervous about

00:59:37   playing it with other people at this

00:59:39   point because I think it's just gonna go

00:59:41   horribly I'm melting I'm melting okay

00:59:49   Agricola block is balderdash and

00:59:55   Bananagrams that doesn't feel good clue

00:59:55   Bananagrams that doesn't feel good clue

01:00:00   also doesn't feel good power grid

01:00:02   factory manager that you played once did

01:00:05   I played once here we go this this is

01:00:09   how bad I was video games this is how

01:00:11   bad you are at the board game ranking I

01:00:13   feel so bad good like wow okay Agricola

01:00:18   I'm blackest and balderdash and a whole

01:00:22   bunch of others Wow

01:00:24   I love you alright my top four number

01:00:26   one Puerto Rico number 2

01:00:29   Agricola number 3 block s number 4 power

01:00:32   grid Wow see for me it's all about what

01:00:34   didn't make the list

01:00:38   alright now we have some important

01:00:42   follow-up yeah it's now follow-up what

01:00:44   is it oh I don't know news new it is

01:00:46   news I guess yeah good isn't something

01:00:48   we missed you know or got wrong mmm-hmm

01:00:50   so in our last episode so now that's one

01:00:53   to ago right we did an episode on the

01:00:57   the top four worst Weezer singles not

01:01:00   worst Weezer songs the worst songs that

01:01:03   Weezer has that we chose to release as

01:01:05   singles yes for their albums and let me

01:01:09   just say right now we have heard el

01:01:10   Scorcho so many times since that I I'm I

01:01:14   hey I ended the show saying I liked el

01:01:17   Scorcho so I I stopped well I like it

01:01:20   even more now I don't hate it as a song

01:01:23   but it was a terrible choice of a single

01:01:26   for that time like that was yeah anyway

01:01:28   and you keep playing the greatest man

01:01:29   that ever did something or other

01:01:31   yeah in the bathroom anyway it goes

01:01:36   great there so I got stuck in my head

01:01:41   too it's like you know how it's the the

01:01:43   most frustrating thing to have a bad

01:01:44   song stuck in your head it's a bad

01:01:46   single and and to be fair and Weezer

01:01:48   actually is pretty good at releasing bad

01:01:52   songs as singles that gets stuck anyway

01:01:54   so what we're getting around to is that

01:01:56   apparently Weezer released another

01:01:57   single yeah they released a single today

01:01:59   yeah and a whole bunch of people were

01:02:00   tweeting it at us and I started

01:02:02   listening to women on the couch and

01:02:03   Marko runs in he's like no no no stop

01:02:05   because we're gonna listen to it on the

01:02:06   show yeah I don't and I I just could

01:02:09   tell that's what it was

01:02:10   I haven't heard it yet at all except for

01:02:12   like the little bit that you played in

01:02:13   the couch and like that

01:02:13   first about like five seconds yeah so

01:02:18   this is gonna be the first time we are

01:02:19   hearing it at all we're doing it live on

01:02:21   the show okay you're gonna have to put

01:02:24   clips in right yeah

01:02:26   not the whole thing all right let's go

01:02:28   okay I'm ready I'm scared I'm scared of

01:02:32   Amy here we go she's trying to be Eminem

01:02:51   I like it

01:02:57   what's he saying thank God for girls

01:03:05   they just say getting sweaty over rolls

01:03:07   I think so this is terrible

01:03:15   I like it

01:03:24   it's catchy come on is it I like all the

01:03:27   crazy lyrics I think that's the first

01:03:46   time a Ganesha was ever in a song yeah

01:03:56   Wow

01:03:57   that's it I really liked when they were

01:04:01   like rap talking I like that part

01:04:06   I like when all of a sudden they throw

01:04:08   in a lyric that doesn't rhyme or just

01:04:12   like stops everything kind of dead in

01:04:14   its musical tracks I think that's really

01:04:16   finally that's a very Weezer of them

01:04:18   they do that a lot that see to me I kind

01:04:23   of like it

01:04:23   I don't think that was bad enough to

01:04:26   make my top four worst singles no I it's

01:04:28   too it's too catchy mmm yes you to me

01:04:32   maybe it's only cuz I only heard it once

01:04:33   I don't care for the subject matter the

01:04:36   whole thank God for girls things what

01:04:39   about the cannolis in echinacea I don't

01:04:41   know I like a hope I like words so I had

01:04:46   a lot of words I like a lot of words yes

01:04:48   they can guarantee you that there were a

01:04:49   lot of words in that song besides I hear

01:04:52   this again that's not gonna happen right

01:04:54   now

01:04:55   oh yeah not right now but I think I

01:04:57   would listen to it again so I don't

01:04:58   think I would put it on my top four

01:05:00   I wouldn't even play it in the bathroom

01:05:02   whoa be it be it not because it's worse

01:05:05   than the greatest man who ever lived but

01:05:07   because it has nothing going for it like

01:05:09   it is it the greatest man that ever

01:05:11   lived is at least somewhat catchy at

01:05:13   least get stuck in your head I like this

01:05:14   because I like Macklemore and like that

01:05:16   kind of stuff and you don't like that so

01:05:18   right right you're not gonna like this

01:05:20   right like they are doing what is more

01:05:22   likely to be popular today and I give

01:05:24   them credit for that because they are

01:05:26   keeping themselves relatively Road

01:05:27   relevant I feel like they're keeping

01:05:28   themselves modern but they're kind of

01:05:30   sticking to who they are with their

01:05:32   quirkiness and thence a lot like

01:05:34   barenaked ladies kind of thing where

01:05:36   it's

01:05:37   lot of lyrics sometimes it sounds like

01:05:40   it doesn't make sense together it's kind

01:05:41   of nerdy it's I really like it but

01:05:45   they're a little bit more rock than make

01:05:47   it then barely a few ladies but like our

01:05:49   is I don't know what is that

01:05:51   I think if you're if you're if you're

01:05:52   English then like companies and bands if

01:05:55   are plural right but if you're American

01:05:57   and they're singular

01:05:57   I don't know when a band's name is

01:05:59   barenaked ladies that's yeah but they're

01:06:02   one band it's pretty second hands know

01:06:04   ladies right sometimes they're naked

01:06:06   though yeah anyway so I like it I think

01:06:11   it lacks what usually makes Weezer songs

01:06:14   catchy and memorable

01:06:16   it is neither I would say it's neither

01:06:17   of those things really I think it fits

01:06:19   into the whole modern music stuff this

01:06:21   stuff that's coming out now that people

01:06:22   really like that's fair so I don't think

01:06:24   it's a bad choice I mean and we haven't

01:06:27   we haven't heard much the album yet but

01:06:28   it's like one sweater song came out

01:06:29   sweater song was super weird but it fit

01:06:31   into the grunge culture that it came out

01:06:33   of so that's why I never made our list

01:06:36   it's a weird single but it fit when it

01:06:39   came out but sweater song I would say

01:06:42   sweater song was a much better song than

01:06:43   this

01:06:43   yes sweater song wasn't much better song

01:06:46   but you also don't like modern music you

01:06:49   old man that's true