Top Four 6: Board Games
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okay dogs in silent mode dog is silenced
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well I should say stealth mode okay
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let's uh let's do this thing
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you know today's topic I picked board
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games no we love playing board games yet
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we are both big fans and we have played
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many of the geeky board games that have
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mostly originated from Germany at least
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at least a while ago and we always try
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to get people to play board games with
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us but sometimes you never know what
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kind of crowd you're with if they want
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to play board games or not so we know
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not to ask Merlin yes there's certain
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people you know not to ask not like
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Merlin's been over our house at all ever
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Oh million times you know how much you
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love to travel unnecessarily yeah anyway
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so yeah I have a short list I bet you
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have nothing prepared because there's
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nothing in your lap right now I'm
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looking at you and you are devoid of any
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kind of information I have a list oh you
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picked up your iPhone my god I do have a
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list it is not though strictly ordered
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and it is only six things long oh that's
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pretty short I have a lot yeah cuz I
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went into the game closet and just wrote
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down all the games oh that's a good move
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I should have done that do you want my
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shortlist first so maybe you can add
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some things yeah let's try that okay TIF
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we have Settlers of Catan we have Puerto
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Rico Scrabble Agricola power grid power
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grid factory manager Mille Bornes corkle
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blackest Ticket to Ride balderdash the
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construction game pictionary monopoly
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clue and Bananagrams okay those are the
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games I have on okay my short list in no
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particular order my order was meant to
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deceive I believe everything on my list
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is on your list that's no surprise we
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play games together so yeah so I want so
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first of all let me disclaim upfront
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there are certain games like Settlers of
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Catan or Agricola Agricola there are
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certain games like this where we are
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probably not pronouncing the names
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Agricola that sounds pretty good I
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thought it was Agricole of it I don't
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know Agricola I don't know it's like
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well it's agriculture agriculture I
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don't know right
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so it sounds like Agricola yeah kula
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however you pronounce that there's
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somebody screaming while listening to
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this right now that they know the
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correct the right answer and we are
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butchering it and they were just
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screaming do you think we should never
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had a chatroom show maybe maybe if the
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listeners demanded enough there because
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they're demanding all ten yeah they were
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really ten people in there it would be
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it would be not a lot of people
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so especially because we record so
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erratically whenever we can yeah we
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would give people like thirty seconds
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notice oh we're recording right now
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alright so do you want to talk about
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maybe some of the games in your list
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that didn't make your top four before we
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go into the top four um well I have a
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really big list so a lot of the games
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didn't make it and I'm pretty sure
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probably some of them didn't make it for
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the same reason that yours didn't make
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it because I know you don't like games
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with a lot of chance correct and that
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drives you crazy when there's too much
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chance and you feel like that nothing
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you do will help you win or lose so you
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want to feel in control of your gameplay
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and the possibility of winning if every
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game has a small amount of chance but
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you're more happy with games with the
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least amount of chance right in fact so
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I mean I could I because I haven't even
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picked my number my number one yet I'll
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talk about the first one I put on my
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list which is Puerto Rico it's the very
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first one I thought of we haven't played
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that one in so long I have it I don't
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have it on my top 4 list because we
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haven't played it in so long I don't
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know and I feel like now that I know
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spoiler if you buy your own boat you win
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every time well not not every time I
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approach win every time when I when you
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get to buy your own boat I think well so
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I've played a lot more than you except
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played on the iPad and I've played it
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more recently just because of that I pad
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ones boring oh I like it anyway so and
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one thing that very few of these like
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awesome board games actually have good
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iPad or computer versions and so it's a
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pretty rare luxury when you find one and
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Puerto Rico and Agricola Agricola
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however it is they both have good iPad
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versions neither of them are great but
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both are good enough that if you enjoy
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the game you will enjoy the iPad
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versions anyway so I like Puerto Rico
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because is what you just said that that
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it doesn't have almost any luck like the
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only random element in the game
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is you know who you choose to go first
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and and then the order in which the the
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tiles come up for the the plantation
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choice like when you get those tiles are
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random that as far as I can't remember
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that's the only random element in the
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game and so almost everything you do is
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you know you have made this decision it
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will affect you like it is yours to win
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or lose and besides that it is it you're
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about to buy or not exactly it is you're
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about to buy or not or you can buy all
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the boats and blocked if out of them but
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everyone knows I'm going to be buying
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the boat get out of my way what is it
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the wharf is the item that's it's one of
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like the nine or the eight yeah
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something like that but I always just go
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for the boat and then there's one other
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one too that if you get with the boat
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the harbor I believe is so there's like
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it's the one where you get one bonus
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victory point for everything you ship
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yes if you have those two together
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because you're shipping on your own boat
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yet is a clincher you are always gonna
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win yeah it would you'd have to be very
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bad at the game to have both of those
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things and not win and I think see I
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can't put it on my top four because now
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that I figured that out as a player I
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can't I know that that's the strategy to
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win and I know if it doesn't happen for
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me in the game I'm not going to win so I
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kind of like it the magic is lost on me
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well see to me that see what what makes
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this game great is that everything you
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do affects everyone else as well like
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like you know in a game you take turns
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and and like there's a certain number of
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things you can pick from and you when it
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comes to your turn you pick the thing
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you want to do that round and you as the
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person who picked it gets a small
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advantage of that but every but whatever
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you picked everyone else gets gets most
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of that same benefit so if you pick for
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instance the the mayor rate which which
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lets you add more people to your
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plantation then you know everyone else
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gets to add people of their plantations
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also you just get one more than they do
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so it's a game where you have to very
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much consider not only what is best for
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you when it's your turn trying to pick
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what to do but you got to make sure that
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you're not going to really super
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strongly benefit someone else you know
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it to actually agree that it might hurt
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you but at the same time if you don't
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pick that thing then they probably will
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when it come to comes around to them
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so it's it's as weird tragedy that you
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have to think about but I disagree with
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you about about your hardware plus Wharf
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thing in that that isn't just the one
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strategy to win that is that is a
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strategy that can win if if other people
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are doing certain other things are not
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doing them but the great thing about
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this game is that you can't do the same
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thing every game because whether that
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can win will depend on what everyone
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else is doing and if if so if the game
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conditions are such like for example the
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harbour and Wharf combo takes a long
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time to get because those are two very
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expensive items and money is pretty
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scarce in this game so at least early on
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so those are very hard to get for that
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to work you have to you have to be in a
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game where it's gonna it's gonna go on
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for a while it's gonna take a lot of
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turns and if if someone else is racing
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towards one of the other conditions that
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can end the game like filling up their
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space with cheap buildings or filling up
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their plantation you know with or
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running out of people I forget some of
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the other ones running out of victory
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points in other ways like that strategy
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only works if you have a long time with
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those things to ship tons of goods with
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them see now I think that this is where
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you're getting all bogged down your
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stupid iPad game because we play when we
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play with people it's often someone who
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hasn't played it as much as us and it is
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or the or they are people who just
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aren't as from like or they're just
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totally new to the game right so they
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either are less skilled than us or
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totally new I don't think we've ever
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played with someone who is at our skill
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level of the game because we just don't
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run into gaming nerds that cook that
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often when we feel like hey let's play
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so important go so whenever we're
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playing live and in person no one else
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has aggressive strategies so I get bored
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playing it because I feel like I can
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just slaughter everybody you should play
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the iPad game it doesn't sound fun I
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like anyway so Puerto Rico is it might
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be my number one they thought it's close
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and and I'm not alone in this decision
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BoardGameGeek calm which is I think one
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of the biggest if not the biggest
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authorities in the geeky board game
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world I already have to put a link in
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our show notes you
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BoardGameGeek maintains this like top
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ranking list of like the top ranked
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board games you know every you know
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whatever all time every year whatever it
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is and Puerto Rico was number one on
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that list for a very long time four
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years I think and I think it's still I
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don't think it's number one anymore but
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but I think it is still within the top
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of you you know I I think all of my top
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games are gonna be games that I haven't
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really played much so I'm not very good
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at yet because I find it enjoyable when
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I can actually play the game and write
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and enjoy the strategy of it without
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knowing exactly how to win and play it
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so yeah I'm totally bored of Puerto Rico
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it's over for me
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so what do want to talk about next I
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think we should talk well I don't know
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what what's yon you're shorty short list
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so the next one I have on my list is
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Agricola yeah that's my number one
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really that's so it right now I have it
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as number two below Puerto Rico but that
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that's soft I could change that of
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course Agricola's don't leave my number
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one so why do you like it so much
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I like it because you can stack all of
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the animals so you like it because I
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know as you're waiting for other people
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to take their turns too slowly you can
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have something to fidget with that's
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pretty cool yeah they have very good
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stackable pieces I love like making a
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little cow towers good so yeah I like a
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good fidget piece and I like when
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they're stackable so that's a major plus
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on why it moved up to number one slot
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also it's fairly complicated I think
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there's a lot of elements to the game
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that even if you play it a lot you don't
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get a chance to play every part of the
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game in one round in one sitting of the
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game so there was like a whole bunch of
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things that you didn't get a chance to
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do whether it's like some of the
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occupation cards or building certain
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types of cooking apparatus --is well
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yeah you know you can that helped the
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improvements yeah because I'm like once
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the game starts going it starts off slow
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but then it it just it rolls so quickly
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into the end and everyone's like whoa I
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just got a hang of this game and now
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it's over and so you want to play again
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and we've often played two rounds in
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one night of that of that game because
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once you get the hang of it and you
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remember and you know because it goes a
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long time between playing them when you
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play it with people that you you just
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want to play it again to see where how
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far you can go and how far you can take
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it and I still don't feel like I've
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maxed out this game there still parts of
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it that I find really intriguing and I
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find yeah I don't always win and you
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don't always win and you know that it's
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it's still very random on who wins but
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yet the luck factor is not that like the
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chance the chance luck factor isn't very
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great in this game either it's I think
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it's a lot more skill yeah I'm trying to
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think so B so I guess the most random
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element in this game is the cards that
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you're dealt the occupation and minor
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improvement cards right but then you
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kind of have a chance to get more and
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you can kind of like use them or not use
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them you don't have to focus on like the
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randomness that you get it's more of
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your deciding how you're filling up your
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board and where you're focusing your
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attention and if you're improving your
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house if you're making a lot of grain if
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you're making a lot of cooking a lot of
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meat like you know so it's basically in
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the game you have to the goal of the
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game is to feed your family right yeah
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and then to build like a big farm and
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build a big farm and then make your
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family larger and then so therefore you
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can do more things if your family is
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larger because you have more people in
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order to accomplish more tasks and then
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at the end of the game you have rounds
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so the rounds go pretty regularly
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there's nothing you can do to stop or
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halt around from approaching you just
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have to make sure you can feed your
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family at the end of each round and
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unless you then you get a penalty if you
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can't then at the end of the game you
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kind of tally up what you have and you
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gain points from that and then the
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winner it's the person with the most
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points and there's also elements in the
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game that will subtract points from your
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total score so if you it it's also that
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so it's all contingent on your own
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gameplay you know there are other people
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playing but you're kind of only playing
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against them in the end right and and
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it'll start competing for certain
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resources but it's not as aggressive as
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I'm gonna take this resource from you
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it's more of this might be running out
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or there's only one
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so if you buy that first then you have
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to buy the more expensive oven-like but
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you know no one's gonna get locked out
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of things completely well that's a big
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game I don't know because there's only
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two ovens if you play with more than two
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but there's more there's more ways to
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cook this you can't like you won't get
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locked out of being able to you know
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cook your own you know or or you can you
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can just avoid cooking your animals and
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get food in other ways right but at the
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same time if you were you know gaining
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money to buy your oven then that and
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then the other person who wasn't with
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gaining something else you know what I
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mean so there's always a give-and-take
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of what someone is working on I mean
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plus they should have spotted you
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stacking up all your clay exactly yeah
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no I mean and that that game like you
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mentioned the scoring like such certain
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things will subtract once what I like
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about it is you know it's your building
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this farm and it's like you know you
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have a house with a certain number of
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people in it that you have to feed and
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then you have you have cattle and you
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have sheep you have all the animals you
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have the pastures and they really get
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this deck yeah and and you have like
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these you have different crops you can
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plant vegetables and and and grain to to
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grow that and any of these things that
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you don't do let's say you get to the
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end of the game and you have no cows you
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actually lose points for things that you
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don't do so you really have to diversify
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yeah like it it kind of forces you like
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you you basically can't win if you like
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hunker down and only do one strategy
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because it's also there's a maximum
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number of points you can earn from any
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one category so it kind of forces you to
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to really like try to do everything and
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I think it is a little more competitive
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than than what you just how you just a
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curette described because every round
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there's like certain spots on the board
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that you that you can choose what to
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take and whatever you take you only you
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get that no one else gets that's true
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that's where it's different from Puerto
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Rico we're not like a round where it's
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like okay you do you plate you decide to
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play this way and then everyone else
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gets to do it too and you get a bonus no
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this is like you take the spot and
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you're the only one that can so a field
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or something for that entire round then
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and and so and you know if you have a
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bigger family which is a risk because
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you have to feed them every round but if
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you have a bigger family then you can
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take more spots and so like there's the
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there it's this game of really
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calculated risk of like how long can I
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wait before feeding time comes I don't
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have enough food but if I pee it you
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by if I instead of getting food right
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now if I take the risk that I'll be able
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to find some later and right now I go
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for that other cool thing on the board
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cause no one's taken it yet you know
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there's all these calculated risks you
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have to you have to figure during that
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game and and the bolder and riskier you
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are generally the better you will do
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like you know spanning your family
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earlier so you can you can do more
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things per turn but then you have to
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feed those people so it is actually I
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think pretty competitive I like it a lot
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it is it if I would have played it more
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than I have it might have become my
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number one but because I played Puerto
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Rico so much both in person and on the
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iPad right now Puerto Rico is my number
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one but I think Agricola is a solid
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number two for me and it might
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eventually become number one that's so
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funny that your criteria for number one
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is playing more and mine is playing
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no it's Agricole is a great game you
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know and and we haven't I mean as you
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mentioned earlier we've barely scratched
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the surface because there's this whole
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this whole like different deck of cards
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that you can that you can blend in and
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we have used none of those we've only
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there's like a super simple family mode
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we don't play that we play that the
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standard mode so it's like it's not the
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super simplified one but it's the
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regular set of cards with no extra cards
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and that's all we've played so far and
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even that like one one thing that that
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Agricola has which I think Puerto Rico
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does too but I think I recall is the
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most aggressive on this front that the
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game all of a sudden just ends like it's
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over it's like I was planning I was
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building this thing up and I was gonna
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do it and then yeah like it's like these
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awesome German games like a style of
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this is like is it right as everything
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starts to get going the game's over so
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your biggest challenge really is is just
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number of turns time it's like it's how
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much you can get done before the game
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ends and the game always ends before you
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want it to like there's never enough
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time and that I think that that alone
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just doing it that way I think is a cool
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way to do it because it's not like and
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I'll get to things like monopoly in a
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bit it's not like traditional style
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board games where they just go on
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seemingly forever
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please monopoly people don't worry I got
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your covered there but you know it it's
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not like that these games they end
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before you even want them to so it's
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really hard to get boy
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while playing these games yeah exactly
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you don't get bored on these board games
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so we have Puerto Rico we have Agricola
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and also I want I do want to mention
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again Agricola has a great iPad version
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the only thing is that it it try it
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mimics too closely the board like Puerto
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Rico you just in order to fit everything
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on screen it has to like real rings away
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certain things look and kind of compress
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it down to its essence Agricola doesn't
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do that it just like pans around this
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giant so it's a little clumsy yeah if
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you play Agricola you really need like a
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pretty big table yeah because there
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everyone has an individual board and
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then there's like all these Center
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boards and all these cards and yeah it's
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it's pretty spread out you almost need
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to play it on the floor yeah so anyway
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moving on I wanted to next talk about
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power grid the power grid didn't make my
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list because I played it too much I'm
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thinking good so one really good game
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think of it one of the problems with
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power grid is that our most common board
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game player friends
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our tips parents and it is among all the
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games that we seem to play like this
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they they've they've played almost all
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of them and they are like they're not
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geeks and so what's interesting is like
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teaching them these games because some
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of these games I think like oh this is
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gonna be way too geeky for them they're
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not gonna want to sit through all these
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rules and everything and I'm wrong about
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that every single time yeah like they
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always get into it they always like it
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even games like Agricola or Puerto Rico
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that have a lot of rules and it's very
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complex and takes a long time to set up
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they first look at it and they're like
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but then as soon as like as soon as we
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explain it all and we start playing then
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everyone's into it and there has never
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once been a game where where anyone that
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we've introduced it to whether it's them
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are like you know my sister or brother
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in law or anybody else like or you know
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tips brother like we've introduced games
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to lots of family members who are not
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normally geeks you and Ryan my brother's
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name is Ryan when you guys played power
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grid like after everyone else did like
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everyone else is kind of done like we
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all probably around and you wanted to
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play another round together and you play
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like this lightning-fast round and that
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was fantastic yeah guys yeah so anyways
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a fun game these games are are if you
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have been withholding these games from
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like non geek members of your family or
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friends because you don't think they'll
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get it give them give them credit give
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them a try because we have had only
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fantastic luck introducing non geeks to
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all these geeky games but we also kind
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of hostage situation put them into
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playing these games because we refuse to
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watch movies with them because our taste
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in movies are so different so it's
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either like well if you want to spend
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time with us at night we're gonna have
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to play a board game that's there it in
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our defense board games are way better
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than watching movies with your parents
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oh well because at least you get to talk
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during board games and see each other
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and during movies everyone just falls
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exactly it's so late and everyone's
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tired yeah so power grid so yeah as you
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mentioned this this was this is the most
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commonly picked game by your parents it
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is their favorite it seems
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and so you are sick of it I am not yet
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your brother-in-law's 11th plains game
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that's true yeah I have not yet sick of
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power grid and part of that is because I
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generally don't get sick of things I can
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have the same thing and do the same
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thing every day and be very happy really
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you yeah surprising and but but part of
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that also is is
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I really do like it I don't think it is
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I don't think it's number one I would
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never put it as number one but it is a
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really good game all around and I think
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it is it might be among all the games
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that we have introduced people to I
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think it is one of the more accessible
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ones and I think it's definitely we can
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definitely say that it is like the
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committee favorite it the crowd favorite
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of like if you survey everyone like what
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do you want to play tonight we have all
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the different choices you know I'll want
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to play something like power grid or
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like Puerto Rico Riker Cola that's Mike
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more complex or more crazy everyone
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always agrees on power grid it's like
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the cheese yes we can all agree on power
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great pretty much that's how it happens
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I mean the power grid also has like that
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element of monopoly to it where you are
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making money you know see you have
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there's money in the game you have like
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the paper money just like monopoly you
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have little houses that represent towns
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that you you know very similar to
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monopoly where you have hotels that
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you're you're taking land I guess in the
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game and you have to kind of go through
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a round in order to gather your
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resources to power your town to then
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make more money so and then the next
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round starts and then you spend that
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money getting what what's the word
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yeah well game resources to buy power
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plants to to power your power plants and
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then therefore power your cities and
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then build more cities and so it's it's
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very it's logical when you think about
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how it's played it's not deep nothing's
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buried in like secret cards or anything
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it's all kind of laid out on the table
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really simply but at the same time
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there's a lot of strategy involved
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there's very little luck and there's
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very little chance right and and in
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power grid it really is first and
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foremost it is an economics game and it
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is and you have to kind of judge like
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you know what is the value of this power
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plant to me and they're like the power
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plants are sold by auction so you can
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have to fight against everyone else but
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that kind of gets fun because you get to
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bid out loud you know and it's more
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interactive it's not so stuck on the
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board that's yeah that's a good point
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that becomes more of like talking to
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each other and making
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jokes and bidding people up and you know
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watching their eyes you have someone
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that needs to play auctioneer because
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otherwise someone would sit and think
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about purchasing a power grid for like
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80 years so it gets really fun yeah and
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and it is also competitive like and
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we've been lucky in areas like like you
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know you it is kind of like a true
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market on the resource side in that like
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every round there's like only a certain
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number of you know things of coal things
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of oil etc and then your power plant
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needs like one of those things and the
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more people are buying something that
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more expensive it gets automatically and
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you can also run out of something
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entirely so like if you buy resources
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before someone else which is a strategic
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element like if you kind of hang behind
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in the game the way it's scored you get
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all the advantages kind of like Mario
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Cart so anyway there's all these
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different facets of this game and you
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can you can like screw somebody out of
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like the last of the coal or something
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and you also want to diversify from your
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other players because if everyone's
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going for coal powered power plants then
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there's not going to be enough coal
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resource in order to power these power
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plants so if you see that everyone else
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is bidding on coal power plants then you
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might want to bid on the one that like
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converts garbage into power so because
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then you eventually will be paying less
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than everyone else on your resource yeah
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and in our games because our family is
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either liberals or liberals in denial we
00:28:02
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no one ever wants to buy garbage or
00:28:04
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nuclear and so the and and whenever
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someone's not buying something it
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automatically gets cheaper and so
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usually the eventually like I'm like I'm
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like art fine I'll take the nuclear
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because it's so cheap at this point it
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makes no sense to buy anything else and
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no one else wants it like yeah it helps
00:28:20
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to kind of know who you're playing with
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and and the clean-burning power plants
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always the bidding the prices they go
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for absolutely insane and that's the
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thing there's no cap on how much you can
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spend on a power plant right you just
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how much money you have yeah it says
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kind of what it's worth on the card but
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as the bidding goes on you can just you
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can spend as much as you want I mean
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Ryan was went crazy and even over a
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hundred dollars right yeah and kind of
00:28:46
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paid off right or did it no it didn't he
00:28:48
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lost by a dollar at the end of the game
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yeah and so at the end of this game so
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can win by other means but we've had
00:28:55
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many games where it's like you know you
00:28:57
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win by a number of cities you power in
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the last turn but if you tie with
00:29:01
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somebody on that which often happens
00:29:02
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then whoever has the most money between
00:29:04
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those two players wins and so then like
00:29:06
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all of your decision-making for the
00:29:08
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entire game with like who do I spend the
00:29:09
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extra two dollars for this expensive
00:29:11
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coal here all that catches up to you at
00:29:14
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the very end if you tie with somebody
00:29:15
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which happens all the time
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and we have we have really had many
00:29:19
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games to be decided by one dollar or
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three dollars yeah it's it's crazy like
00:29:25
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how how tight it gets cuz it really is a
00:29:27
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it's it's all about economics and and
00:29:30
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cost efficiency and managing cost
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efficiency and it does this in a way
00:29:33
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that isn't boring because it sounds
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really boring if we say the head but it
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doesn't know what it isn't boring and
00:29:37
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that people really get into now I want
00:29:39
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to talk about power grid factory manager
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which is a game we just recently started
00:29:43
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playing I think we even played it just
00:29:44
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once I think we did only played it last
00:29:47
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Christmas because that's when we bought
00:29:49
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it yeah it has very little to do with
00:29:50
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power grid it really it's like the same
00:29:52
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really different but it has very good
00:29:53
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stackable pieces because it has a little
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working men yes they stack in very great
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little triangles and they look like
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little cheerleader yeah like the
00:30:02
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but I have that impossibly entering into
00:30:06
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my top 4 list because I don't feel like
00:30:08
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it's overplayed and I'm very interested
00:30:10
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in playing it again I'm very excited
00:30:12
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about it I had a lot of fun when we did
00:30:13
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play it I can't remember the gameplay
00:30:15
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for the life of me I can picture the
00:30:17
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board but I can't remember how to play
00:30:19
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it but it actually might make mine odd
00:30:21
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because it doesn't bore me that's
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amazing so and we should also point out
00:30:27
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like power grid also has a pretty good
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number of add-ons that you can buy to
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either add more cards to the game which
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we haven't done yet or what we have done
00:30:37
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they actually sell alternate boards so
00:30:39
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it comes with tool I can come to the
00:30:41
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board is too sorry I did a lot like
00:30:42
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Ticket to Ride from what I'm hearing is
00:30:44
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that ticket to like which is what I have
00:30:45
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on my short list but it didn't make the
00:30:47
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top four I don't think it made the top 4
00:30:48
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for you there's no a lot of chance in
00:30:50
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that game but power grid and Ticket to
00:30:52
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Ride also have varying maps that you can
00:30:55
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play on that that bring more diversity
00:30:59
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to each round yeah if you get bored
00:31:01
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alright so I do feel like I have before
00:31:03
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we get too far into anything else we
00:31:05
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have to mention Carcassonne
00:31:06
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because this is a game that is extremely
00:31:09
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popular that we've never played so I'm
00:31:12
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not judging it because I've just never
00:31:14
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played it okay so many and check yeah so
00:31:16
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just know that tell us about it we know
00:31:18
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it exists it is on our list of things to
00:31:20
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try but I like your feedback I do I like
00:31:23
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oh yeah no feedback about everything
00:31:25
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else is fine just know that we are aware
00:31:26
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of Carcassonne existence and we have use
00:31:28
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never played it okay I want to talk
00:31:30
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about the construction game it's still
00:31:32
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closed in our closet because we've only
00:31:34
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played it at my parents house but it's
00:31:36
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another game that I feel like is very
00:31:38
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interesting the dynamic is really great
00:31:41
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it's really fun to play in a group it's
00:31:42
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competitive it is also kind of a it's
00:31:47
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it's like a finance monopoly game again
00:31:49
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yeah I would say it really bears a very
00:31:52
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strong resemblance to Monopoly but it's
00:31:54
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not just like monopoly the lost edition
00:31:57
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you know it's not like that it's not
00:31:58
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like construction monopoly it's not like
00:32:00
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that it's actually called the
00:32:02
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construction game it looks kind of just
00:32:03
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like monopoly and you have to buy
00:32:06
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equipment and you have to perform you
00:32:10
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have to do jobs and you have to get win
00:32:12
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bids to do the jobs with your equipment
00:32:14
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and if you don't have the right
00:32:15
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equipment to do the job
00:32:16
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you know like anything you spend your
00:32:17
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money to do all the stuff and then you
00:32:19
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eventually win the game with the most
00:32:20
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money is that right
00:32:21
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they made it a long time we've played
00:32:23
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Italy twice I know but it sounds like
00:32:25
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five years ago I know and it lasts a
00:32:27
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really really long time it is a
00:32:29
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ridiculously long game but it's a lot of
00:32:32
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fun it's it's very competitive it's very
00:32:35
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energetic when you're playing with a
00:32:37
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whole bunch of people who care very much
00:32:38
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about playing the game yeah and I'm not
00:32:40
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bored of it so it's like hovering I have
00:32:44
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three I have three games that are
00:32:45
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starred that I never get to play much
00:32:47
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►
while you're on the subject let's
00:32:49
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briefly talk about monopoly okay because
00:32:51
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I need to talk I need to I need to talk
00:32:52
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about it if you don't yeah I don't need
00:32:54
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to talk about monopoly all right I'll
00:32:55
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make it quick
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okay so I have I have a history of when
00:32:59
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I was growing up I was a massive
00:33:01
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monopoly geek during the summer as I had
00:33:04
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this group of friends that I see every
00:33:05
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summer and we would play almost every
00:33:08
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day at least once almost every day for a
00:33:11
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good three or four summers that's a lot
00:33:13
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of Monopoly we were really bored I mean
00:33:15
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we were nerds we were too young to do
00:33:17
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anything interesting and there weren't
00:33:18
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any good German board games yet
00:33:20
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we I mean we were like you know 13 or
00:33:22
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something mean we were you know it
00:33:23
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wasn't it wasn't a good time so so we
00:33:26
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could do that so we did anyway so so
00:33:30
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I've played a lot of Monopoly I've read
00:33:32
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a couple of Monopoly books when I was a
00:33:33
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teenager like the various strategy books
00:33:36
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yeah I got my library anyway so monopoly
00:33:42
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gets it gets a worse rap it is a better
00:33:43
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game than those people think and there
00:33:45
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have been a couple of other podcasts
00:33:46
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about this I there I believe there was
00:33:47
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an episode of unjust Amon lying about it
00:33:49
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anyway I'll find it link to it but any
00:33:51
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more links sorry more show notes anyway
00:33:55
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you're the one dropping all these show
00:33:58
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know that all over the place anyway so
00:34:06
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monopoly gets it gets a worse rap than
00:34:08
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it deserves because most people don't
00:34:11
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actually do the rules most people have
00:34:13
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that quote make it more fun that usually
00:34:16
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and involve injecting more money into
00:34:18
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the game and when and then then they all
00:34:20
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complain that takes forever and they
00:34:23
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don't never connect the two dots to
00:34:25
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realize monopoly ends when people go
00:34:27
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bankrupt so if you inject money into the
00:34:29
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game it will take longer for people to
00:34:31
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go bankrupt that never crosses people's
00:34:34
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mind and and so they and or they've just
00:34:36
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they think they know how to play the
00:34:38
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game and they never actually read the
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rules like because they were just taught
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when they were a kid and they just keep
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playing the way they always have and
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they ever actually read the rules which
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are surprisingly short and so yeah rule
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Monopoly rules are pretty much word of
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mouth at this point yeah one's gonna
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pick up that book like have you ever
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read the rules to Scrabble I haven't no
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I don't even know I have no idea what
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the rules are I just know how to play I
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think you know yeah it's one of those
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things that you just learn how to play
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right you're like as you're
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indoctrinated into being a human you
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just kind of play right so but you know
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in in short if you think that you get
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extra money for letting on free parking
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or if you think that you don't get to
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collect rent or anything in jail or if
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you think that there's no auctions you
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need to go read the rules no it's like
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the big ones that most people don't know
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turns out jail is awesome in late game
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and free parking does nothing and
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auctions are a critical part of the game
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and yeah also buy the oranges anyway
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everyone knows that by now I think
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anyway monopoly is a very good game now
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there there was a thing that was put out
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some article I will not be able to find
00:35:41
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this for the show notes but some article
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that was put out about like what makes
00:35:43
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games seem more fun and fair versus
00:35:47
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others and monopoly does very poorly on
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this kind of test so like one thing that
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makes you gain like more fun for most
00:35:53
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people to play is like do people get
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eliminated midway through and they just
00:35:57
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can't play and have to wait for everyone
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else to finish the game because like
00:36:00
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that's no fun for those people you
00:36:02
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talked about that in our first show I
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did youdid I know I talked about it was
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on ATP anyway no sorry it was our very
00:36:07
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first show of anyway games all right so
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so there's there's that kind of thing
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where like you know they're there or
00:36:13
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certain factors like you know does one
00:36:15
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person like really tear away at the
00:36:16
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beginning and just have a huge lead that
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just is insurmountable and you can tell
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early on and then it's not fun to
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continue that game right so there's
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there's things like that that makes
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certain games more or less fun a
00:36:26
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monopoly does very badly on all those
00:36:28
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things it is really a very old-school
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kind of game there is a lot of luck
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involved although not as much as most
00:36:34
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people think if you if you kind of you
00:36:35
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know know the numbers and you know the
00:36:37
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stats of what could land it on but
00:36:38
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anyway I'm gonna start cutting you off
00:36:40
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about your monopoly time let's know but
00:36:41
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so so I do think overall though I'll
00:36:44
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close it out here I do think overall
00:36:45
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monopoly is a better game than most
00:36:48
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people give it credit for and it is
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overall a pretty good game it does not
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make my top 4 but it would probably make
00:36:55
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my top 10 okay I have another old-school
00:36:58
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game I want to bring up okay it's clue
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really I really really like clue I do
00:37:10
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well come on monopoly is monopoly but
00:37:13
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clue is not clue clue clue it's clear
00:37:17
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there was a movement it was really good
00:37:19
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I love clue the movie okay so I really
00:37:25
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like the game clue no one ever wants to
00:37:27
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play clue I had it as a kid and no one
00:37:29
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ever wants to play this is the story of
00:37:31
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your life but no one ever wants to play
00:37:32
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or you know whatever wants to play my
00:37:34
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favorite games I don't know I just like
00:37:36
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the little rooms and I like the little
00:37:38
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pieces and I'll you know having them all
00:37:43
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in the different rooms and making
00:37:45
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guesses and accusing people I was like
00:37:47
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where you get to talk to people a little
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bit yeah so I clue as a contender I
00:37:53
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don't know if I'm gonna put it on my
00:37:54
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list there's there's one slot open on my
00:37:56
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list for a power grid factory manager
00:38:00
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construction game or clue is what I have
00:38:03
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hovering in the lot but I don't know
00:38:05
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thank you so Peregrine factory manager
00:38:07
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and concession game are both games that
00:38:09
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you've played almost never and clearly
00:38:11
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there's a game that what was the last
00:38:12
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time you played games that I haven't
00:38:17
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played a lot because I'm not bored with
00:38:19
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them it's not like you just hate games I
00:38:21
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love I don't like tired games I don't
00:38:24
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like things that I'm tired of yeah well
00:38:27
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you're the kind of person you get sick
00:38:28
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of things pretty easily and I'm I'm the
00:38:30
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guy to never get sick of things on from
00:38:32
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everything you've been like jobs you're
00:38:34
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the only thing that's stuck around
00:38:36
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everything except me yeah I like you
00:38:38
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maybe our dog and kid yeah our dog and
00:38:40
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kid are good too games and stuff and
00:38:48
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yeah hobbies I just move on I'm a
00:38:53
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renaissance woman I know a little bit of
00:38:56
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a little a whole bunch of things okay
00:38:58
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well I think that's a fair analogy we're
00:39:01
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gonna move on in case it isn't so I've
00:39:05
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only played clue maybe twice and it was
00:39:08
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a play clue I I can't judge it I like I
00:39:11
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don't think I've ever played it as an
00:39:12
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adult and so I don't really know like
00:39:14
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objectively I might like it also because
00:39:16
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I do really like the movie so maybe them
00:39:19
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together that's most like movie and the
00:39:21
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game I really like together is that what
00:39:25
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if you watch the movie while playing the
00:39:28
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game sounds of me it's like my dream of
00:39:32
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eating Chinese food while people in
00:39:33
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movies are eating Chinese food well I
00:39:37
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really I just want to be eating Chinese
00:39:39
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food out of a box with chopsticks while
00:39:42
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I happen to accidentally be watching a
00:39:44
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movie that the characters do that to and
00:39:46
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I will feel so satisfied if that happens
00:39:49
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because I always want Chinese food when
00:39:51
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I see people eating Chinese food that
00:39:54
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makes sense okay anyway please somewhere
00:39:58
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on your list maybe a number four yeah
00:40:01
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about another game that nobody ever
00:40:02
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plays with me let's do it it's
00:40:07
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I love the game folder - I think it's
00:40:09
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balderdash close enough and I played it
00:40:14
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for the first time when I was a kid at
00:40:16
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my friend's house and ever since then I
00:40:18
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have asked for it for Christmas and I
00:40:21
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never got it my entire childhood my
00:40:23
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entire young adult life my entire
00:40:26
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teenage life like I just I would always
00:40:29
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be like what you offer Chris Ivy I love
00:40:31
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that game folder - and no one would ever
00:40:33
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►
ever get it and then one day one amazing
00:40:36
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►
amazing Christmas my dear loving husband
00:40:39
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finally finally after like six years he
00:40:44
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finally bought me the game of balderdash
00:40:46
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and now nobody plays it with me yeah and
00:40:49
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no one ever ever plays it with me
00:40:52
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everyone wants to play something else
00:40:53
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every time and I and I feel so bad now
00:40:57
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because I like beg people I'm like it's
00:40:58
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gonna be really fun and then I get
00:40:59
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nervous it's not gonna be fun because I
00:41:01
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really like it because you've hyped it
00:41:03
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►
up so much how many so I was high wait
00:41:07
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wait wait and in addition to that so the
00:41:09
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incomparable they play balderdash
00:41:11
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and every time I have not been able to
00:41:14
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►
join them yeah I've had something really
00:41:16
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like I really could not change the times
00:41:18
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►
that I could play like I could not play
00:41:21
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►
any time they've invited me to play it's
00:41:24
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the game that just is just right at the
00:41:28
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►
reach of my fingertips and I cannot grab
00:41:29
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on to it I love balderdash
00:41:32
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►
and so after all that how many times
00:41:36
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►
have you actually played the game
00:41:38
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probably like six times but it's so good
00:41:43
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►
I love making up stuff and I love when
00:41:45
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►
people make up stuff it's funny it's
00:41:48
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►
like pictionary but words and it's great
00:41:50
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►
maybe we're doing you a favor by not
00:41:52
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►
playing it with you because I would've
00:41:54
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liked it otherwise it wouldn't make my
00:41:56
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list yeah because you just hate
00:41:58
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everything you play too much we don't
00:41:59
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want to keeping me interested maybe like
00:42:02
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I like the mystery will agree to play it
00:42:05
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►
like every 10 years I love the mystery
00:42:10
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►
that is bolder - and this one of this
00:42:12
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►
game is to where you need more than two
00:42:14
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►
people right
00:42:15
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you do it yeah it's not as fun you need
00:42:17
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like a group and you need to be in a
00:42:19
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►
certain mindset to like you have to be
00:42:21
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►
like an active group that's willing to
00:42:22
◼
►
start like making up stuff and being a
00:42:24
◼
►
little funny and you know you can't just
00:42:26
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►
be a sleepy well let's play a board game
00:42:29
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►
kind of group you have to be ready for
00:42:31
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►
it right and it's and like that's one
00:42:34
◼
►
thing to mention like a lot of these
00:42:35
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►
games unfortunately like a lot of the
00:42:36
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best ones can't be played with just two
00:42:38
◼
►
people you know lots of people can get
00:42:40
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one other person who agree to agree to
00:42:42
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play a game with them you know whether
00:42:43
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it's your partner or your sibling or
00:42:45
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whatever like lots of people can get
00:42:47
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like you know one person to agree but
00:42:49
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but many of these games require at least
00:42:51
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three people
00:42:52
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yeah and that's where we get all tripped
00:42:53
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►
up yeah that we never get to play those
00:42:55
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games cuz we're just two people yeah and
00:42:57
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then by the time Adams old enough he's
00:42:59
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not gonna want to hang out with us no no
00:43:00
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no or or he will hate all these games
00:43:02
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cuz they'll be they'll be you know when
00:43:04
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►
he's younger
00:43:04
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►
they'll frustrate him you know and when
00:43:07
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he gets older then he won't wanna hang
00:43:08
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out with us yeah yeah we'll find out
00:43:10
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eventually anyway maybe when he's 30
00:43:13
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►
he'll be willing to play with us why do
00:43:14
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you have one game on my list that we
00:43:16
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have a two-person version that we've
00:43:17
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►
never played well PowerGrid has a tube
00:43:20
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►
that's how ryan and i played but what's
00:43:21
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your what you--what is your other one
00:43:22
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►
block Asst yeah block is totally made
00:43:25
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like my list i love block and it made my
00:43:28
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►
list as well really yeah that's so
00:43:29
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►
surprising because it's a really really
00:43:31
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it's a really really simple game it's
00:43:33
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►
pretty much like it's almost like a
00:43:34
◼
►
board game version of Tetris with other
00:43:36
◼
►
players yeah you you're the goal is you
00:43:39
◼
►
have a gridded a gridded did you have a
00:43:44
◼
►
grid board yes it has like ridges and
00:43:47
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►
you have little clear kind of colored
00:43:49
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tie like um and they look like Tetris
00:43:52
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►
pieces but it isn't just things with
00:43:55
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►
five blocks in them and you eat each
00:43:56
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►
person has a color and you have to fit
00:43:59
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►
them on to this grid in a certain way
00:44:01
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►
touching the other players pieces in one
00:44:03
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►
certain way and the goal is to get rid
00:44:06
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►
of all of your pieces and fill up this
00:44:08
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board so it's kind of like a land grab
00:44:09
◼
►
kind of game and it's really very fun
00:44:12
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►
because you can play it very quickly
00:44:14
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►
there's an almost notes that there's no
00:44:16
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setup really besides giving out the
00:44:18
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►
pieces but we have them all in neat
00:44:19
◼
►
little bags because we are totally nerds
00:44:22
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►
so the setups really easy the teaching
00:44:25
◼
►
people how to play is really easy so
00:44:27
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►
there's almost no
00:44:28
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►
um what's that word when there's no
00:44:31
◼
►
learning curve learning curve to play
00:44:34
◼
►
this game and it's it's just really
00:44:35
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simple and fun and it's difficult to be
00:44:38
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►
bored of it because it's every game is
00:44:41
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►
yeah Blancas has often been our dessert
00:44:44
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►
game like we will play one of the big
00:44:46
◼
►
complicated or an appetizer game yeah
00:44:49
◼
►
right yeah like so we'll play like one
00:44:50
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►
of the big complicated games like I
00:44:51
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►
could Cola or Puerto Rico that takes it
00:44:53
◼
►
the whole table and lots of setup time
00:44:54
◼
►
we'll play one of those and at the end
00:44:56
◼
►
of that it'll be like you know 10:30 I'm
00:44:58
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►
like well we don't really want to start
00:44:59
◼
►
a whole other one of those but how about
00:45:01
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a quick round of blacas or while
00:45:02
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►
someone's cleaning up the kitchen which
00:45:04
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►
is usually unfortunately my mom and the
00:45:06
◼
►
rest of us are like let's play a game
00:45:07
◼
►
real quick but while we wait for
00:45:09
◼
►
everyone to be done you know to go down
00:45:10
◼
►
and actually play the big game then we
00:45:13
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►
play a quick round to block us because
00:45:15
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►
it's so quick yeah but they have a - you
00:45:16
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have to buy a separate board to play two
00:45:18
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►
people yeah there's also a three player
00:45:20
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►
like a triangular version right there's
00:45:22
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that one yeah I saw it online there
00:45:24
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there is a three player version but the
00:45:25
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so that's so the only limitation with
00:45:28
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►
placas is that you have to play four
00:45:29
◼
►
players yeah you can't play like three
00:45:32
◼
►
to five people on the same board it's
00:45:33
◼
►
like no this board this board requires
00:45:35
◼
►
exactly four flame so you really have to
00:45:37
◼
►
think about strategy and how you're
00:45:38
◼
►
gonna play these gonna place your pieces
00:45:40
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►
and how you're gonna block somebody and
00:45:42
◼
►
how you're going to because if you play
00:45:44
◼
►
a certain piece at the very end you get
00:45:46
◼
►
super bonus points and you're super cool
00:45:48
◼
►
but it is actually it's very very
00:45:50
◼
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difficult to to play all of your pieces
00:45:52
◼
►
yeah it is it is a surprising like it
00:45:55
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►
looks really simple but it is not easy
00:45:57
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you it yeah you can learn it very
00:45:59
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►
quickly but it is very hard to master
00:46:01
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yeah and it's it that's another game
00:46:03
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►
where like everybody we have introduced
00:46:05
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►
it to not only gets it immediately but
00:46:06
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►
also likes it pretty much you know
00:46:08
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►
pretty well yeah and every time you play
00:46:10
◼
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it you're like okay let's play again
00:46:11
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►
yeah another one yeah dump it out play
00:46:14
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again or like if you if you have a
00:46:16
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situation like a bigger gathering where
00:46:19
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you have like multiple people cycling in
00:46:20
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and out of playing the game then it's a
00:46:23
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good it's a good game for that because
00:46:24
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like a round of lock it only takes like
00:46:26
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a half-hour maybe and then you can you
00:46:28
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can like bring in a new a new person in
00:46:29
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case oh yeah okay I'm done whoo let's
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play next and it's it you can rotate in
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and out it's really great that way
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that's cool we should have one of those
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out next time we have a party yeah it's
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a good idea the block is station yeah I
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would rent I rank block is right now I
00:46:42
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Blagh into my number-4 spot i have
00:46:44
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blockage I might move it up we'll see I
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think I might move it up to number two
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because my number two spots empty now
00:46:49
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that we're talking about it I thought
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that once we started discussing these I
00:46:53
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would start loving them more or less
00:46:56
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depending on how we talked about them
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out loud so I think Bacchus will be my
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number two nice because it's exciting
00:47:03
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you know it's fun and it's quick it's
00:47:05
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great and the only other other game on
00:47:07
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my list is that we talked about which
00:47:09
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kind it was also on your list and then
00:47:10
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we'll talk about any extras that you
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have is Bananagrams I have Bananagrams I
00:47:15
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love that that's another quick fun it's
00:47:19
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another game because it has you know
00:47:22
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it's basically like speed Scrabble
00:47:24
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almost like it's it's very you I mean
00:47:27
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because real Scrabble is just too long
00:47:29
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it is it takes too long everyone thinks
00:47:31
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about their words too long yeah and like
00:47:34
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everyone gets bored waiting for the
00:47:35
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person like waiting for each person to
00:47:37
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think about their word oh yeah you know
00:47:39
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words with friends is actually better
00:47:42
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than playing Scrabble better it is
00:47:45
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because you don't have to actually like
00:47:46
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you could go on with your life while
00:47:48
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you're waiting for someone to play yeah
00:47:50
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what it feels like when you're really
00:47:51
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sitting there playing Scrabble you're
00:47:52
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like I could just be doing anything else
00:47:54
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right now yeah yeah I don't really do
00:47:57
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not like playing Scrabble in person and
00:47:58
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and most games I would prefer to play
00:48:01
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like the hardcopy Scrabble is one of the
00:48:03
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few where that's not the case
00:48:04
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me too but anyway so but Bananagrams is
00:48:08
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really great because so you know so it
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literally is a bag shaped like a banana
00:48:13
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full of little Scrabble tiles and
00:48:17
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there's no points to them it's just the
00:48:19
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letters and the game is you dump them
00:48:22
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all out in the pile in the middle and
00:48:23
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then like you like speed try to assemble
00:48:27
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what is basically a valid Scrabble board
00:48:29
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in your own little place at the table
00:48:30
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that's like low Scrabble board yeah like
00:48:32
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so you aren't competing with anyone else
00:48:34
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on anything except so on yeah all your
00:48:35
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words have to connect and they have to
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all be real words yeah but and there's
00:48:39
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no scoring so it's like whoever whoever
00:48:40
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wins first basically right once all the
00:48:43
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tiles are gone whoever has like a legit
00:48:46
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finished board first wins right like no
00:48:49
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no word no tiles that you haven't placed
00:48:51
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in 2,000 words yet yeah yeah and I so it
00:48:54
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it's a very quick very low effort
00:48:56
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in a very low barrier game so again
00:48:59
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perfect game for the end of a night or a
00:49:02
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time when you don't have a lot of you
00:49:05
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know a much time to play it also is is
00:49:08
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very tolerant of different numbers of
00:49:09
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players and you could probably play with
00:49:11
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anything to an upright probably yeah
00:49:13
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yeah so you're on a piece is basically
00:49:15
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another game like this so that we should
00:49:16
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mention is corkle that a lot of people
00:49:18
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have really liked and we've showed them
00:49:19
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that game and that is matching colors
00:49:22
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and shapes so it's not good for your
00:49:24
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colorblind friends but other than that
00:49:26
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all sergeant
00:49:28
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yes that it that's also a really good
00:49:32
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fun kind of making grids of colors and
00:49:37
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shapes in different patterns and
00:49:38
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configurations yeah it's almost like
00:49:40
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dominoes in a way but it's like it's
00:49:42
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different rules you know yeah if you
00:49:44
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haven't played corkle and you like
00:49:46
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little fast kind of appetizer dessert
00:49:48
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games then you should check out corkle
00:49:50
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it so it's a good one to buy for
00:49:52
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Christmas actually because yeah it's fun
00:49:54
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family game yeah if you if you have a
00:49:57
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family gathering and and you want to
00:49:59
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like bring something for the family to
00:50:00
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do quark roll Bananagrams and block it
00:50:03
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yep those three things are our solid
00:50:06
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picks and I also really like the sets
00:50:09
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the card game set set set that's right
00:50:12
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yeah I like that one a lot
00:50:13
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that one hurts my brain I like that
00:50:16
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one's really fun I love that game the
00:50:18
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best thing either the colorblind not
00:50:21
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compatible no game the the best thing
00:50:23
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about set is how ridiculous you look
00:50:26
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while you're playing it because
00:50:27
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everyone's just staring at yes like have
00:50:30
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a grid of cards that you placed out and
00:50:32
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everyone is silently very intently
00:50:35
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almost never blinking staring at this
00:50:37
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game it looks so weird if you walk fast
00:50:40
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a group of people playing with that they
00:50:42
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look like they're possessed it's it's
00:50:45
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amazing that that to me is the best part
00:50:47
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it isn't a bad game it just I don't I
00:50:50
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don't like it as much I love that game
00:50:52
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►
so that's that's my whole list what do
00:50:55
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you what else do you have on yours that
00:50:56
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we haven't talked about on the big list
00:50:58
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pictionary I guess would be one of the
00:51:00
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big ones that we haven't really talked
00:51:02
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about I've had a number of pictionary
00:51:03
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birthdays yes it turns out a pictionary
00:51:07
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Ballack we just play it kind of like the
00:51:09
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old TV shows
00:51:10
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where we just have groups of people on
00:51:13
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teams and we go back and forth and we
00:51:14
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just try and draw like an entire card in
00:51:17
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what five minutes or less yeah well you
00:51:20
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knew it like when when you first wanted
00:51:22
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a pictionary party like six years ago I
00:51:25
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went and bought like the cheapest like
00:51:27
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office easel stand I could get in Haven
00:51:29
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and the giant flipchart paper pads it
00:51:32
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ended up being so much fun everyone got
00:51:33
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really really into it yeah you spend
00:51:35
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like 40 bucks and you have like this
00:51:36
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►
awesome pictionary set and we played it
00:51:39
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multiple times with at the end of
00:51:40
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parties and it's gone over really well
00:51:42
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and again we don't really adhere to the
00:51:44
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rules very much it's more like here's a
00:51:46
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card let's draw the whole card as fast
00:51:48
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as you can and have your team guess yeah
00:51:50
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or you know you have two minutes draw as
00:51:51
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much of the card as you can and then you
00:51:53
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know it's like tally points and yes we
00:51:55
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do it really very um yeah I don't
00:51:58
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laissez I'm not sure I've ever used the
00:51:59
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board in pictionary no the board's
00:52:01
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pretty boring yeah like when you do it
00:52:03
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actually it's like yeah it's too boring
00:52:05
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drawing on a giant flip chart is is much
00:52:08
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►
better like speed speed drawing and you
00:52:10
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like every one and it it's a fun game
00:52:12
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►
whether you can draw or you can't
00:52:13
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►
because people who can it's amazing how
00:52:16
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much they can get out but yet people
00:52:18
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still can't guess it and the people who
00:52:20
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can't draw that's what's also extremely
00:52:23
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funny seeing horrible stick figures and
00:52:26
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►
like just completely deformed animals
00:52:29
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that they're trying to convey pictures
00:52:31
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►
of and it's great but what I like about
00:52:32
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about that though is that artistic skill
00:52:36
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does not seem to correlate to how good
00:52:38
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you are pictionary exactly like it
00:52:40
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because it isn't about draw a version of
00:52:43
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►
this that looks good it's it's closer to
00:52:45
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like icon or sign design in that it's
00:52:47
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more like you have to communicate this
00:52:50
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idea with imagery how how quickly and
00:52:54
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effectively can you communicate this
00:52:55
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idea which is it's it's a similar but
00:52:59
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not the same skill and so like like I
00:53:02
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can't draw for crap but I'm a little bit
00:53:04
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better at that at that other skill than
00:53:06
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I am at drawing so I can I can do okay
00:53:08
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in fiction airy and I'm okay in picture
00:53:11
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►
you do very long pictionary
00:53:12
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►
yeah well it's icon design basically but
00:53:15
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►
you also need a good to a team that can
00:53:17
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guess - I mean we yes I'm the worst
00:53:19
◼
►
guesser someone the true like this
00:53:20
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►
amazing pagoda right or
00:53:23
◼
►
something like that they drew it it
00:53:25
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►
looked exactly like it but nobody on the
00:53:27
◼
►
team knew what a pagoda was so they
00:53:29
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►
couldn't get yeah it's like that was
00:53:31
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►
such a good drawing but it's still fail
00:53:33
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►
yeah yeah I'm much better at the drawing
00:53:36
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part that I'm the guessing part yeah I
00:53:37
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►
think you are a very good guesser aren't
00:53:39
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►
you I don't know I just really like
00:53:40
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playing the game it's it's one of those
00:53:42
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things like the same kind of group that
00:53:44
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►
would get into playing balderdash would
00:53:45
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get into playing pictionary the way we
00:53:47
◼
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play it you just want us to play
00:53:49
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►
balderdash so much only cuz we know
00:53:52
◼
►
whatever plays balderdash with me
00:53:54
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►
alrighty more no just being sad about
00:53:57
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►
balderdash alright so but we have Mille
00:53:59
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Bornes that was the other one I forgot
00:54:02
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►
my Mille Bornes man you played that I
00:54:03
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►
played that a lot in my childhood my
00:54:05
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►
parents with my mom yeah my mom was
00:54:07
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►
really into it as well and so I
00:54:08
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►
discovered that like as a teenager she
00:54:09
◼
►
really brought it back out there's old
00:54:10
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►
ones in the 70 yeah I've played the one
00:54:12
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►
from the 70s too and then we went on
00:54:14
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►
eBay when we became our own little
00:54:16
◼
►
family and also bought a set from the
00:54:18
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70s because that's what we were used to
00:54:20
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►
playing the new ones look really weird
00:54:21
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►
yes it was like because the arts the
00:54:23
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►
arts all different now and yeah and this
00:54:25
◼
►
is this is a French driving game it's
00:54:26
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►
played with cards and you have to get up
00:54:30
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to speed and drive and so you get like
00:54:32
◼
►
these speed cards it's show you how fast
00:54:35
◼
►
your car is going but then same time you
00:54:37
◼
►
get sabotages where like your tire gets
00:54:39
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►
flat you run out of gas or and you have
00:54:41
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►
to accomplish a thousand miles that's
00:54:44
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►
yeah it's a meal mi yeah yeah Mille
00:54:49
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Bornes 2000 1000 miles yeah and it's all
00:54:52
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►
the games also call a thousand miles in
00:54:53
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►
some places but yeah like France maybe
00:54:57
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►
but yeah so and that too else yeah that
00:55:02
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►
yeah I haven't played in a long time but
00:55:03
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►
I did play it a lot recently together
00:55:05
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►
you know and when we lived above Pizza
00:55:08
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►
Grill so five years ago yeah so yeah ok
00:55:11
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►
so so we played it recently five years
00:55:13
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►
ago and before that like I I had that
00:55:16
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►
game on my Palm Pilot and so I played I
00:55:19
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►
played it a lot I remember like when I
00:55:20
◼
►
worked at Staples in college I played it
00:55:22
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►
a lot in the staples break room nothing
00:55:25
◼
►
else to do well meal war is a really
00:55:27
◼
►
good game so if anyone hasn't played it
00:55:28
◼
►
and hasn't heard of it I highly suggest
00:55:30
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►
it it's a really fun it's again you can
00:55:32
◼
►
play with two players so that's really
00:55:34
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►
good yeah it's one of the few it's a
00:55:36
◼
►
really good rainy afternoon
00:55:37
◼
►
if you want to teach your kids to it's a
00:55:39
◼
►
kid-friendly game
00:55:40
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►
yeah and it's and there's a little bit
00:55:42
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►
of a little bit of aggression because
00:55:43
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►
you can't like throw hazards at people
00:55:45
◼
►
like cuz like you you don't just come
00:55:47
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►
upon a flat tire you're you know wife or
00:55:50
◼
►
mom gives you the flat tire and yes
00:55:55
◼
►
anyway it's it's a good game it is not
00:55:58
◼
►
like - the level of quality oh you know
00:56:00
◼
►
what we should really talk about
00:56:01
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►
settlers oops
00:56:02
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►
no I don't want to talk about Sadler's
00:56:04
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►
but we if you don't talk about settlers
00:56:07
◼
►
we're gonna hear from what time is it
00:56:09
◼
►
well this is the last thing we're
00:56:10
◼
►
talking about so and then well then
00:56:14
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►
we'll say our list and we'll be done
00:56:15
◼
►
yeah so settlers settlers we have so
00:56:20
◼
►
many expansion packs that we've never
00:56:21
◼
►
ever opened because we play this game
00:56:24
◼
►
there's and for us and especially I
00:56:26
◼
►
think for you how we open the show I
00:56:28
◼
►
guess it's a good way to close the show
00:56:29
◼
►
is this is a game with tons of chance
00:56:32
◼
►
yes and so the chance aspect of this
00:56:35
◼
►
game kind of keeps us from really
00:56:37
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►
enjoying it I like playing it a lot more
00:56:40
◼
►
than you do because I find that the
00:56:41
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►
chance element actually keeps a little
00:56:43
◼
►
bit more fun for me but yeah it's not I
00:56:47
◼
►
I want to play other things more than I
00:56:49
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►
always want to play settlers yeah
00:56:51
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►
settlers to me it's a I say this with
00:56:55
◼
►
all the good and bad that comes with
00:56:56
◼
►
this it is the Starbucks of modern geeky
00:57:00
◼
►
games in the sense that Starbucks kind
00:57:05
◼
►
of rescued the world in a way and that
00:57:07
◼
►
they weren't the only ones to do but
00:57:08
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►
they're like the biggest like the
00:57:09
◼
►
headliners and the most popular who
00:57:11
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►
rescued the world from like the old like
00:57:14
◼
►
50s way of just like the cheapest
00:57:16
◼
►
possible cheap crap Coffee gas station
00:57:19
◼
►
coffee Folgers etc and they introduced
00:57:21
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►
the world to the concept of you know
00:57:23
◼
►
what coffee can be better than that and
00:57:25
◼
►
I don't like Starbucks really I think
00:57:27
◼
►
you can do way better than Starbucks if
00:57:29
◼
►
you put some care and effort into it
00:57:30
◼
►
yourself but I can't deny that Starbucks
00:57:34
◼
►
has had the effect on the world of
00:57:37
◼
►
reintroducing the world to good coffee
00:57:39
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and I feel like settlers has kind of
00:57:43
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►
done that to boardgames like it geeks
00:57:46
◼
►
have known about settlers since the late
00:57:48
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►
90s early 2000s it has come like
00:57:51
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►
our mainstream and I'd say the last you
00:57:53
◼
►
know five years or so but it's not new
00:57:55
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►
and and it was the game that geeks who
00:57:59
◼
►
knew about it could use in like 2002 to
00:58:03
◼
►
introduce the rest of their friends to
00:58:05
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►
the concept of better board games than
00:58:07
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►
monopoly in Candyland you know it's very
00:58:09
◼
►
accessible board game yeah and so it is
00:58:12
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►
often the first or only modern and geeky
00:58:15
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►
board game that people have played and
00:58:16
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►
so I give a credit for that it does
00:58:19
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►
deserve that credit we loved it in the
00:58:21
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beginning you played it a lot and we
00:58:22
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really really liked it but then we just
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started finding new things yeah I used
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to go to Starbucks every day for like a
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year I'm gonna Starbucks every day we
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still go to Starbucks over on road trips
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we have no choice don't tell anybody
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sorry I took that picture of you once my
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miserable face yeah no I mean Starbucks
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you know Starbucks is fine it's not
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great it's fine that's what I think
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about settlers it's fine
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you know it is better than a lot of
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games that came before it and it really
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does deserve credit for assuring in the
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mainstream to the idea of better newer
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geekier games than what we all played
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growing up but you can do a lot better I
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think yeah that makes sense
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that's how I feel all right so what you
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talk for oh okay so number one I have
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Agricola number two I have block as'
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number three uh I kind of want to like
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dump all the quick board the quick games
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all like together like oh so you have
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three number three's is that what you're
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saying this is going horribly I want to
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put balderdash on there but I feel like
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I love it so much and no one ever ever
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plays it with me it's like it's so hyped
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up in my mind I did I'm so nervous about
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playing it with other people at this
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point because I think it's just gonna go
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horribly I'm melting I'm melting okay
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Agricola block is balderdash and
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Bananagrams that doesn't feel good clue
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Bananagrams that doesn't feel good clue
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also doesn't feel good power grid
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factory manager that you played once did
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I played once here we go this this is
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how bad I was video games this is how
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bad you are at the board game ranking I
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feel so bad good like wow okay Agricola
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I'm blackest and balderdash and a whole
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bunch of others Wow
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I love you alright my top four number
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one Puerto Rico number 2
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Agricola number 3 block s number 4 power
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grid Wow see for me it's all about what
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didn't make the list
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alright now we have some important
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follow-up yeah it's now follow-up what
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is it oh I don't know news new it is
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news I guess yeah good isn't something
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we missed you know or got wrong mmm-hmm
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so in our last episode so now that's one
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to ago right we did an episode on the
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the top four worst Weezer singles not
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worst Weezer songs the worst songs that
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Weezer has that we chose to release as
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singles yes for their albums and let me
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just say right now we have heard el
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Scorcho so many times since that I I'm I
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hey I ended the show saying I liked el
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Scorcho so I I stopped well I like it
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even more now I don't hate it as a song
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but it was a terrible choice of a single
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for that time like that was yeah anyway
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and you keep playing the greatest man
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that ever did something or other
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yeah in the bathroom anyway it goes
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great there so I got stuck in my head
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too it's like you know how it's the the
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most frustrating thing to have a bad
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song stuck in your head it's a bad
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single and and to be fair and Weezer
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actually is pretty good at releasing bad
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songs as singles that gets stuck anyway
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so what we're getting around to is that
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apparently Weezer released another
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single yeah they released a single today
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yeah and a whole bunch of people were
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tweeting it at us and I started
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listening to women on the couch and
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Marko runs in he's like no no no stop
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because we're gonna listen to it on the
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show yeah I don't and I I just could
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tell that's what it was
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I haven't heard it yet at all except for
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like the little bit that you played in
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the couch and like that
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first about like five seconds yeah so
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this is gonna be the first time we are
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hearing it at all we're doing it live on
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the show okay you're gonna have to put
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clips in right yeah
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not the whole thing all right let's go
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okay I'm ready I'm scared I'm scared of
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Amy here we go she's trying to be Eminem
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what's he saying thank God for girls
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they just say getting sweaty over rolls
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I think so this is terrible
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it's catchy come on is it I like all the
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crazy lyrics I think that's the first
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time a Ganesha was ever in a song yeah
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that's it I really liked when they were
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like rap talking I like that part
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I like when all of a sudden they throw
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in a lyric that doesn't rhyme or just
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like stops everything kind of dead in
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its musical tracks I think that's really
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finally that's a very Weezer of them
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they do that a lot that see to me I kind
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I don't think that was bad enough to
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make my top four worst singles no I it's
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too it's too catchy mmm yes you to me
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maybe it's only cuz I only heard it once
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I don't care for the subject matter the
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whole thank God for girls things what
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about the cannolis in echinacea I don't
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know I like a hope I like words so I had
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a lot of words I like a lot of words yes
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they can guarantee you that there were a
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lot of words in that song besides I hear
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this again that's not gonna happen right
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oh yeah not right now but I think I
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would listen to it again so I don't
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think I would put it on my top four
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I wouldn't even play it in the bathroom
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whoa be it be it not because it's worse
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than the greatest man who ever lived but
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because it has nothing going for it like
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it is it the greatest man that ever
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lived is at least somewhat catchy at
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least get stuck in your head I like this
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because I like Macklemore and like that
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kind of stuff and you don't like that so
01:05:18
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right right you're not gonna like this
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right like they are doing what is more
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likely to be popular today and I give
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them credit for that because they are
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keeping themselves relatively Road
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relevant I feel like they're keeping
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themselves modern but they're kind of
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sticking to who they are with their
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quirkiness and thence a lot like
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barenaked ladies kind of thing where
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lot of lyrics sometimes it sounds like
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it doesn't make sense together it's kind
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of nerdy it's I really like it but
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they're a little bit more rock than make
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it then barely a few ladies but like our
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is I don't know what is that
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I think if you're if you're if you're
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English then like companies and bands if
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are plural right but if you're American
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and they're singular
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I don't know when a band's name is
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barenaked ladies that's yeah but they're
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one band it's pretty second hands know
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ladies right sometimes they're naked
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though yeah anyway so I like it I think
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it lacks what usually makes Weezer songs
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catchy and memorable
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it is neither I would say it's neither
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of those things really I think it fits
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into the whole modern music stuff this
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stuff that's coming out now that people
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really like that's fair so I don't think
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it's a bad choice I mean and we haven't
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we haven't heard much the album yet but
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it's like one sweater song came out
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sweater song was super weird but it fit
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into the grunge culture that it came out
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of so that's why I never made our list
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it's a weird single but it fit when it
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came out but sweater song I would say
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sweater song was a much better song than
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yes sweater song wasn't much better song
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but you also don't like modern music you
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old man that's true