Top Four

Top Four 2: TV Shows


00:00:00   I made notes about 15 minutes ago all

00:00:03   right well that's good that's your usual

00:00:05   prep time so uh I'm happy that you've

00:00:08   prepared for our this so this is Episode

00:00:13   two of top four top four

00:00:15   we're spelling out the four right it

00:00:17   makes it easier fo you are that is how

00:00:20   it's spelled yeah however you want to

00:00:21   add an e because a lot of people used to

00:00:23   take out vowels now we could just like

00:00:25   add a whole bunch is that the French

00:00:27   spelling yeah with web 4.0 is adding

00:00:31   bowels exactly more vowels

00:00:33   yeah well the French are taking over you

00:00:35   know we that's yes in French oh so this

00:00:43   is the show where we BS for like an hour

00:00:47   and what are our top four picks for

00:00:49   something and this week I picked the

00:00:52   topic the topic is favorite TV series so

00:00:57   are you ready for this

00:00:59   mmm so I'm curious I think we're gonna

00:01:11   have a lot of overlap here but I think

00:01:13   our our ordering might be different yeah

00:01:15   I think that's why we're gonna have

00:01:16   actually something to talk about because

00:01:17   we have been together for 12 almost 13

00:01:22   years now so we have had 13 years of TV

00:01:26   series watching together which is what

00:01:29   we normally watch we don't watch movies

00:01:30   we watch TV series we always have brand

00:01:33   new state TV TV yep you emphasize the T

00:01:36   yep I watched the TV mm-hmm so yeah

00:01:41   we're gonna have a lot of overlap but I

00:01:43   think it's gonna be interesting because

00:01:45   I think I have some surprises for you

00:01:48   interesting

00:01:49   so we'll see I have I made a big short

00:01:51   list it's not it's not so sure what does

00:01:54   that mean

00:01:56   all right well okay so on my short list

00:01:59   which I believe might be a Mike Hurley

00:02:02   term I'm not sure I think the word

00:02:04   shortlist has been around for longer

00:02:06   than my curly has been around well I'm

00:02:08   gonna give it to Mike early because he's

00:02:09   awesome that's fair short list is yours

00:02:11   now Mike

00:02:13   and so do you want me to just read off

00:02:15   the series that I have listed on my

00:02:16   short list here before we get into what

00:02:18   our actual top floors are yeah sure all

00:02:21   right let's see I got the wire six feet

00:02:24   under the office American the office UK

00:02:27   Breaking Bad Freaks and Geeks Arrested

00:02:29   Development coupling Parks and

00:02:31   Recreation orange is the new black

00:02:32   Walking Dead house of cards Ally McBeal

00:02:34   down now be the prayer the the Paradise

00:02:38   Dexter the tutors and Mad Men Wow

00:02:42   yeah so that was my short list of what I

00:02:46   was picking from that's on the long list

00:02:48   everything else so a lot of them I

00:02:54   eliminated first off because they aren't

00:02:56   finished yet or I haven't seen the final

00:02:57   season yet like Parks and Rec so I

00:03:01   haven't seen the final season of Parks

00:03:03   and Rec so I don't think I can put it on

00:03:04   my list yet even though I might end up

00:03:07   seeing that next week and have it on my

00:03:09   list so we'll see but do you have a

00:03:13   short list

00:03:13   I have like five things on here because

00:03:16   I couldn't think of many in the last 15

00:03:18   minutes you old you want to look at my

00:03:19   list and we could pause and then take a

00:03:21   minute and you can sip some tea you

00:03:23   decide you keep going that's the spirit

00:03:27   of the show is this is a natural you

00:03:29   know show so I think one thing that you

00:03:33   had in your list that I didn't have my

00:03:35   list now I'm reconsidering is the office

00:03:37   and you had both the UK and the u.s.

00:03:39   right I have it on my short list but if

00:03:43   you want to know my way which direction

00:03:45   do we go with our top four well number

00:03:48   one should be the best so should we talk

00:03:50   about that first or last let's go first

00:03:53   first yeah and then we're just like

00:03:55   going down to like the crap down these

00:03:58   are all good shows I mean are you well

00:04:00   it is for the for the purpose of right

00:04:01   now I mean are you I don't think either

00:04:03   if the office is gonna be your number

00:04:05   one is it actually it is American office

00:04:08   is my number one favorite TV series Wow

00:04:11   are you shocked and awed I yeah actually

00:04:16   I I would say it would be in my top five

00:04:21   but I'm not sure I would put it that

00:04:24   high up in fact I definitely put it

00:04:25   number one

00:04:26   I'm gonna tell you why it's my number

00:04:27   one over everything else because first

00:04:30   of all I have rewatched it many times

00:04:32   and every time i rewatch it i enjoy it

00:04:35   it makes me happy and another thing they

00:04:39   have i love the characters on it and

00:04:41   throughout the whole series even when I

00:04:43   was watching it more on time I guess

00:04:47   when I wasn't just re watching it and I

00:04:48   didn't really like certain seasons

00:04:50   altogether as a whole it works really

00:04:53   well and the each character even though

00:04:56   they're super silly sometimes they

00:04:57   really develop into real characters with

00:05:02   depth and and lives and person you care

00:05:05   about them very much and they're dynamic

00:05:08   even though it's a comedy and it's it

00:05:10   started off as a kind of shallow comedy

00:05:12   but it just it just grew into this

00:05:14   wonderful thing that felt like a little

00:05:16   family and I cry like crazy whenever

00:05:19   Michael leaves I cry like crazy when he

00:05:21   proposes to Holly I cry at the end when

00:05:24   Dwight and Angela get married I cry

00:05:26   every time Jim and Pam have like their

00:05:30   things together like during their

00:05:32   wedding the proposed everything like so

00:05:34   many spoiler alerts by the way yeah

00:05:36   spoiler Bell dong whatever spoiler dawg

00:05:39   [Laughter]

00:05:49   so I just a for a comedy to make me feel

00:05:55   that much is great and to make me laugh

00:05:57   as much as it does and every time i

00:05:59   rewatch it I find something new that's

00:06:01   funny or I forgot one of like the little

00:06:03   jokes here and there which I love that

00:06:07   that it still stays rich for me and

00:06:09   interesting and it's just kind of like a

00:06:12   it's kind of like a what's that called

00:06:15   when someone has like um a security

00:06:17   blanket I feel like the office is kind

00:06:19   of like my my cozy security blanket of

00:06:22   comedy and fun and so that's why it's my

00:06:25   number one that's interesting see

00:06:27   because as soon as you mentioned it on

00:06:29   your on your short long list your long

00:06:32   short list as soon as you mention it

00:06:33   I've got to put that in my top 5 for

00:06:36   sure maybe I might talk for we'll see

00:06:38   but it's gotta be my top 5 because

00:06:40   I love a lot of that with you of like

00:06:43   you know looking back on it went as it

00:06:45   was running I never thought this is the

00:06:48   best show ever I thought this is a good

00:06:49   show yeah yeah and as I as I with you

00:06:52   have rewatched it over the years and and

00:06:55   as the show went through and eventually

00:06:57   after probably a little bit too long

00:06:59   ended you know and there were definitely

00:07:03   like some some low points seasons that

00:07:06   there were a lot of a lot of like dud

00:07:08   episodes that were just kind of dumb or

00:07:10   dud segments within episodes and but

00:07:13   they were dud episodes I feel like a lot

00:07:15   of the other series that I have on here

00:07:17   some of them I just wish certain seasons

00:07:20   wouldn't even exist like let me give you

00:07:22   an example for something that actually

00:07:24   didn't make my list which is Arrested

00:07:26   Development which I loved Arrested

00:07:29   Development when it was new

00:07:30   I find it ivory watched it a whole bunch

00:07:32   of times and the more i rewatch it the

00:07:35   less funny I find it to be which is

00:07:37   makes me sad so I've almost kind of

00:07:39   stopped tree watching it so it remains

00:07:41   funny in my mind yeah and then rewatch

00:07:44   seeing that final season on Netflix or

00:07:47   whatever that was trying to be yeah

00:07:50   ruins it for me like that seeing even

00:07:53   like the first like five episodes of

00:07:54   that that we tried to watch kind of

00:07:57   wrecked stuff for me and I feel like

00:07:59   that that I wish that never was there

00:08:01   and so that got that's why it got booted

00:08:05   out of my top four completely see I I

00:08:07   have it as somewhere around number two

00:08:10   and I and and I that's soft that's not

00:08:12   like a firm commitment there but Wow you

00:08:14   have that up in your top four I do but

00:08:16   to me Arrested Development I haven't had

00:08:19   the same problem as you of like thinking

00:08:21   it's less funny over time but I haven't

00:08:22   leary watched it so maybe as much every

00:08:24   watcher if I'm like rewatching the

00:08:26   office Marco will come in and he'll sit

00:08:28   down and watch an episode and I'll be

00:08:29   like all right let's watch one more oh

00:08:31   okay let's watch one more he totally

00:08:36   ends up being a rewatch sure with me

00:08:37   so even though he's not really a I'm

00:08:40   gonna put this on her and watch it to

00:08:42   veg out he's not that type of person no

00:08:44   but but I think you're right though that

00:08:47   you know obviously I think anybody

00:08:50   considering Arrested Development needs

00:08:51   to totally pretend like season four

00:08:53   here's the net

00:08:54   like season just didn't exist just that

00:08:55   that was never there that was that was a

00:08:58   fluke it was you know that did that

00:09:01   doesn't exist like even even worse so

00:09:03   than the people who pretend the Star

00:09:04   Wars prequels didn't exist like

00:09:06   definitely like the Star Wars prequels

00:09:08   you believe well they kind of he's ever

00:09:10   so development no season before there

00:09:12   was no season for period

00:09:14   I think Arrested Development started

00:09:17   getting bad during season 3 and that

00:09:19   that is somewhat that was somewhat

00:09:20   controversial but I am very sensitive to

00:09:23   when the writing of a show starts to get

00:09:26   a little bit flatter where like the

00:09:28   character start to become kind of like

00:09:29   more like exaggerations or caricatures

00:09:33   of themselves rather than like doing

00:09:35   things that are more true to them and it

00:09:37   gets a little bit stupid yeah it's when

00:09:38   they stop acting like themselves yeah

00:09:41   when they when they do things that are

00:09:42   blatantly out of the character that they

00:09:45   spent so much time building is when it's

00:09:47   jarring and it makes me angry right and

00:09:49   usually it takes the form of people

00:09:51   becoming more extreme in some way

00:09:53   usually like you know in comedies is

00:09:55   everyone kind of just gets like stupider

00:09:57   and and and like I think what what made

00:10:01   the office so good is that the

00:10:03   characters went in the opposite

00:10:04   direction that you know with the office

00:10:06   over it started out as this kind of

00:10:08   stupid show that where the characters

00:10:10   were kind of flat and then over time

00:10:11   they developed them into very

00:10:13   well-rounded characters because that's

00:10:15   more like people in real life people in

00:10:17   real life are not usually these extreme

00:10:18   characters but with with Arrested

00:10:21   Development I thought seasons 1 & 2 were

00:10:24   pretty solid and then season 3 of the

00:10:28   original series you know before Netflix

00:10:29   season 3 I thought was getting stupid

00:10:31   and so I I'm one of the very few people

00:10:33   who thinks that it was cancelled at the

00:10:35   right time because I imagine if if it

00:10:39   hadn't been cancelled and if Arrested

00:10:40   Development had kept going on its

00:10:42   original path you know not the stupid

00:10:44   Netflix 1 but can't go on its original

00:10:46   path and made like two or three or four

00:10:47   more seasons like that I think it would

00:10:49   have gotten really dumb and the writers

00:10:51   would have gotten really worn out and we

00:10:52   would have we would have seen the result

00:10:54   of that I'm totally on that yacht with

00:10:56   you I mean I agree that it was canceled

00:10:59   at the right time I do yeah and I would

00:11:01   say the same thing about the wire and I

00:11:05   will I let sever the wire

00:11:07   right into that where's the wire for you

00:11:09   mr. Armand number one I thought so it's

00:11:12   my number two that's yeah well because

00:11:14   you know the office I mean no no part of

00:11:19   the office to me ever gets as good as

00:11:23   the wire to the in the way that I say

00:11:25   like damn that's so good like like after

00:11:28   like a particularly good episode of the

00:11:29   wire like oh man that's so good you like

00:11:31   the office the office never got there

00:11:33   from where the office is more like it's

00:11:35   more like the everyday lunch deli it's

00:11:37   like you it's you can count on it being

00:11:39   good never like totally stunning amazing

00:11:42   but it's consistently good and it makes

00:11:44   you feel good whereas the wire you know

00:11:46   and and you know all like the more

00:11:47   serious dramas are more like this like

00:11:49   Breaking Bad is like this to where like

00:11:52   you know it's just because of the nature

00:11:54   of the kind of show it is it's going to

00:11:56   be emotionally kind of more severe the

00:11:59   highs are gonna be higher the lows are

00:12:00   gonna be lower it's gonna just be like a

00:12:02   bigger roller coaster ride than

00:12:04   something like the office but I think

00:12:05   that gives it the potential to really to

00:12:08   really like be amazing during the good

00:12:10   parts and the wire I think overall is so

00:12:13   good and I will say though you know

00:12:16   similar to Arrested Development season 3

00:12:18   I think the wire season 5 was

00:12:20   dramatically less good than the previous

00:12:23   four seasons but was still really good

00:12:26   it was I I'm not sure it was really good

00:12:29   it rounded it out though I loved having

00:12:31   all the different aspects of it okay I

00:12:34   know what you're talking about ok

00:12:36   spoiler dong happening whatever but what

00:12:39   does that set what would that sound like

00:12:40   I'd already showed you the sound which

00:12:43   yeah okay I'm not doing it again so if I

00:12:48   know the whole crazy thing with McNulty

00:12:50   again what we said getting at a

00:12:52   character going to the extreme that's

00:12:54   what ruins things but if I kind of kind

00:12:58   of forget about the McNulty storyline

00:13:00   going out even though that was like the

00:13:01   main part of see it's season five in the

00:13:03   wire if you just focus on the spinning

00:13:06   in the newspaper and how the journalists

00:13:09   are affected in the whole ecosystem of

00:13:13   the wire I guess like a you're going

00:13:15   through each part of it and showing it's

00:13:18   just kind of putting a microscope to it

00:13:19   I think that that

00:13:21   needed to happen but it was the McNulty

00:13:24   crazy bum killing storyline that really

00:13:28   ruined it for the wire yeah like that

00:13:30   that to me I mean that that is mostly my

00:13:32   problem with tease and five is that

00:13:33   storyline McNulty in Leicester like that

00:13:36   that that was really like grossly out of

00:13:40   character for them and I don't think and

00:13:42   they tried to write it in you know the

00:13:44   in in ways that would that would

00:13:46   allegedly make sense but I don't think

00:13:48   they succeeded and I think you know I

00:13:50   think maybe what happened

00:13:51   you know David Simon the the creator of

00:13:53   the wire he he had his background in

00:13:57   newspaper reporting in Baltimore and it

00:14:00   almost like when somebody has like a

00:14:02   personal ax to grind

00:14:04   in in this kind of medium you that the

00:14:07   quality or the result usually suffers

00:14:09   and I think maybe this was David Simon

00:14:11   like finally getting his time to tell it

00:14:13   to like grind some axes about his new

00:14:15   Sabre background even though and I think

00:14:18   that might have clouded his judgment a

00:14:19   little bit in like what makes for a good

00:14:21   story for the wire and what these

00:14:24   characters really would and should be

00:14:25   doing you know maybe maybe he so badly

00:14:28   wanted to grind those axes that they

00:14:32   clouded his judgment is what I'm saying

00:14:34   that make sense yeah but I mean the wire

00:14:37   can't be my number one because it is

00:14:38   such a downer like I can't just pop on

00:14:41   an episode of the wire and be like oh

00:14:42   let me just cuddle up to this it's not

00:14:46   boogie I I like it a lot I mean I agree

00:14:50   I love it I love it too when we're

00:14:52   looking forward to rewatching the

00:14:54   remaster right yeah yeah so we're gonna

00:14:58   how many times have we seen the wire

00:15:00   together uh it's something like two and

00:15:02   a half all the way through yeah I'm like

00:15:05   that three yeah we everyone so we just

00:15:07   get that bug to watch the wire and it is

00:15:10   it is just so it's wonderful it's I just

00:15:15   can't even put words to why it's so good

00:15:17   it's just one of those things that you

00:15:18   have to tell everybody if you haven't

00:15:20   seen the wire please watch the wire but

00:15:23   please watch the first episode like six

00:15:26   times because you're gonna fall asleep

00:15:27   every time you're doing the fall asleep

00:15:30   through the first episode because it's

00:15:32   so dense and there's so much happening

00:15:34   and then

00:15:34   when Yuri watch it you'll understand why

00:15:36   the first episode of so dense but if

00:15:38   you're watching him for the first time

00:15:40   just plow on through just get there and

00:15:43   you will be hooked yep same deal in

00:15:45   season 2 starts the inter season 2

00:15:48   you're like I don't know these people

00:15:49   why are they on a docks I don't care

00:15:51   about this who yeah they do everything

00:15:53   everything's ruined

00:15:54   yeah nobody now yeah it all ties

00:15:57   together eventually it's worth it stick

00:15:59   through it you'll see the first time

00:16:01   watching it I didn't even get hooked

00:16:02   until the dead girls in the container

00:16:04   because it was kind of like a it made me

00:16:07   think of like a crazy Law & Order

00:16:09   episode I mean I was I was one season

00:16:12   one and you were kind of nearby living

00:16:14   with me at the time but you weren't

00:16:15   paying attention you like you know you'd

00:16:16   walk through the room and and see five

00:16:19   minutes in one room we had like one room

00:16:21   yeah well we had two rooms you'd walk

00:16:23   through the other one yeah so and and

00:16:28   then what hooked you was Omar in the

00:16:29   courtroom in season 2 yeah that was that

00:16:31   was amazing that was so funny we went

00:16:33   back and started over again for you I

00:16:35   had already seen I think all of it at

00:16:37   that point I know you that was your

00:16:38   first first watch yeah then we went back

00:16:40   yeah but you went back for me to watch

00:16:42   the first season and then we both caught

00:16:44   up together and we both finish it

00:16:45   together yeah that's right cuz you're

00:16:47   your gentleman naturally yeah every

00:16:49   start of the wire for you that's our

00:16:51   romance right there he's starting TV

00:16:53   shows together when one person says I

00:16:55   don't want to watch that and then they

00:16:56   get hooked and then they're like okay

00:16:58   I'll watch that that's how you watch the

00:16:59   tutors - that's true you're really gonna

00:17:01   want to watch it but really okay I won't

00:17:04   watch it yeah yep yeah and and so with

00:17:07   the wire I think one of the downsides of

00:17:10   it is that I used to love cop shows

00:17:13   before the wire

00:17:14   I love cop shows now the wire has

00:17:16   totally ruined all the cop shows hey we

00:17:19   watch white-collar but that's that's

00:17:22   true yeah chips and candy like it's like

00:17:25   it's your trash it's so great white

00:17:27   collar is like it's ice cream in TV form

00:17:30   like it is ice cream on TV and it's

00:17:34   indulgent and it's stupid and it's not

00:17:38   very healthy but it we enjoy it it makes

00:17:41   you smile

00:17:42   exactly and I'd like you know before the

00:17:45   wire I was really into like law and

00:17:46   order and like live

00:17:48   like the more serious cop shows but the

00:17:50   wiser

00:17:51   yeah but but like the wire is so much

00:17:55   better than any other serious cop show

00:17:57   I've ever seen and it makes the other

00:18:00   ones just seem so stupid

00:18:02   by comparison like not even they don't

00:18:05   just seem bad they actually seem stupid

00:18:07   by comparison

00:18:08   yeah I agree and so now I think I can

00:18:10   only watch shows like white collar which

00:18:12   are intended to be stupid presented as

00:18:15   stupid and kind of tongue-in-cheek about

00:18:18   how stupid they are yeah yeah like I

00:18:20   think I think white collar knows how

00:18:22   stupid it is oh it totally doesn't try

00:18:23   to hide it and I appreciate that white

00:18:26   collar yeah

00:18:27   all right so let's take our first

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00:18:34   is Law & Order SVU dude horrible please

00:18:40   never watch it no I watched so many

00:18:42   episode I watched so much of that but

00:18:44   the wire ruined it and I'll tell you

00:18:45   what I was like have you seen one

00:18:46   recently um I try to but it's just

00:18:50   they're so quick to like solve a case

00:18:51   and everything yeah it's it's the same

00:18:53   formula every episode oh yeah especially

00:18:56   SVU it's like it's it's very formulaic

00:18:59   it's yeah that show if you see one

00:19:01   recently it does not hold up anyway

00:19:05   let's move on because I want to talk

00:19:07   about another another series that has

00:19:10   the heavy part of it that makes it that

00:19:13   keeps it from my number one which I

00:19:14   believe you would think it would have

00:19:16   been my number one does it underground

00:19:18   it is six feet underground

00:19:20   actually to be precise but yeah six feet

00:19:23   under was previously my number one

00:19:26   favorite TV series ever but in recent

00:19:28   years I haven't I used to rewatch it at

00:19:33   least once a year since the first time I

00:19:35   saw which was like right after college

00:19:37   and Marcos Pittsburgh apartment we were

00:19:40   it's like what 2,000 who knows four or

00:19:44   five I graduated 2005 so yeah 2005 and

00:19:47   so it used to be my favorite I loved it

00:19:51   I loved all the characters I loved the

00:19:54   structure of it I thought it was so

00:19:56   original I really loved the kind of

00:19:59   absurdist like taking you out of the act

00:20:01   to these quirky little not dream

00:20:04   sequences but yeah I guess they kind of

00:20:06   were like hallucinations

00:20:07   yeah hallucinations of the characters

00:20:09   that kind of added depth to who they

00:20:11   were but I just everything about that

00:20:14   show just spoke to my I don't know inner

00:20:17   theater nerd maybe that's what it was

00:20:19   but it was it was fantastic and I loved

00:20:24   watching it and now I think in our life

00:20:28   as we've gotten older a lot of the

00:20:30   themes are way too heavy for me like I

00:20:35   feel like some of them are a little bit

00:20:37   too personal like and I just I can't

00:20:41   watch them anymore in the same

00:20:44   light-hearted carefreeness that I used

00:20:47   to watch them and yeah it just it's too

00:20:51   much for me I think about wanting to put

00:20:53   on again and watch it but I'm just never

00:20:57   in that mindset that I want to feel that

00:20:59   bad

00:21:00   so I guess I like the wire because thank

00:21:04   God like we are we're pretty removed

00:21:06   from the reality of the wire even though

00:21:09   it is very much reality for many many

00:21:11   people but I think six feet under is a

00:21:15   reality also for a lot of people and

00:21:18   yeah I still have it on my list is

00:21:21   number three because it's so fantastic

00:21:23   and I did love it for such a long time

00:21:25   but it is down it is down two slots yeah

00:21:29   that I I think that you know there's a

00:21:32   number of factors going into that I

00:21:33   first of all I agree it's a fantastic

00:21:35   show and it was it was in my list of

00:21:37   like top five that I should that I'm

00:21:38   considering but you know you have to

00:21:42   think about at the time it came out like

00:21:44   when it came out in the early 2000s

00:21:46   there there were no dramas like that

00:21:50   really like no there was nothing like

00:21:52   that

00:21:52   like now we have so many of these like

00:21:55   HBO / Showtime premium dramas with like

00:21:59   a lot of heavy themes and death and

00:22:01   maturity and everything like now those

00:22:04   dramas have become dime-a-dozen

00:22:06   and so it back then it was it was such a

00:22:09   like shocker like whoa this is so deep

00:22:12   this is so heavy it's so real

00:22:15   yeah it felt really real and it was

00:22:19   really it was very original for for its

00:22:21   time and now you know it's it's so easy

00:22:24   to to minimize that now or or it's less

00:22:27   significant now because we have so many

00:22:30   other shows like that and you know and

00:22:33   and the heavy stuff you're right like I

00:22:35   think as you get older as you go through

00:22:38   like you know growing up getting a job

00:22:40   having kids having like you know getting

00:22:43   having parents that are getting older

00:22:45   and all sorts of like crazy stuff like

00:22:46   if you're watching a lot of life stuff

00:22:49   yeah all sorts of life stuff having

00:22:51   relationships especially people who have

00:22:53   relationships that that don't go well or

00:22:55   have problems in the same way that these

00:22:56   characters are having problems like I

00:22:58   think that can very quickly become as

00:23:00   you said like something that you'd like

00:23:01   you're just never up for experiencing

00:23:04   that again like if given the choice

00:23:06   between burdening yourself with that

00:23:09   emotionally for an evening or watching

00:23:11   white collar and eating ice cream I

00:23:13   think or watching the office again right

00:23:15   I I think watching white collar and

00:23:17   eating ice cream is gonna win every time

00:23:18   every time you know it's it's like like

00:23:21   aspirationally it's like how like

00:23:22   Netflix put up this thing forever ago I

00:23:24   don't know but it's like you know the

00:23:26   people always like add these heavy Oscar

00:23:28   movies to their - they're cute - why'd

00:23:30   you never watch those Oscar movies I

00:23:32   can't and it was just like I can't

00:23:34   listen to like depressing grunge albums

00:23:36   anymore

00:23:37   because I I can't listen I can't do it

00:23:40   I'm sorry you know live you're over for

00:23:44   me does anybody listen alive lightning

00:23:48   crashes Marco oh my god like I think I

00:23:52   think that maybe that's just like an old

00:23:53   person thing you know like like as we

00:23:55   old people now really in 30 where I'm 33

00:24:00   right or am i 34 here 33 I'm 33 right

00:24:04   and and so I you know we we have a house

00:24:08   we have a kid we have a dog you know

00:24:11   like we spent today at a party at our

00:24:14   child's preschool so I think that makes

00:24:17   us old people and you know what like it

00:24:21   gets to a point I think where you're

00:24:22   just not in the mood for that drama like

00:24:24   even when Breaking Bad was happening we

00:24:26   watched that basically one season two

00:24:28   legs we're watching at all

00:24:29   Netflix and stuff and and we would watch

00:24:32   it and like we watch like one episode

00:24:34   and that show is so heavy that even like

00:24:37   after one episode every like I don't

00:24:39   want to watch another one tonight yeah

00:24:40   you couldn't watch I wanted to watch him

00:24:42   another one but yeah but no but I was

00:24:44   like I'm like it's so heavy I'm so down

00:24:46   and stressed out right now can we just

00:24:48   like watch white-collar now and go to

00:24:49   bed like like it was so I just couldn't

00:24:54   take it and and Breaking Bad I think as

00:24:56   an excellent show that I have I have

00:24:57   that as my you know in my top five to

00:24:59   consider as well but I haven't rewatched

00:25:02   it yet so it's a little early to say

00:25:03   yeah ivory watched it and it didn't make

00:25:06   my top 5 it didn't even make my

00:25:08   three-way tie for fifth yeah but I still

00:25:12   really really like it and I think it's a

00:25:14   fantastic series and I wish I kind of

00:25:17   had room for it in my top 5 it might it

00:25:20   might be maybe it's next to 6 feet under

00:25:22   because you know they're kind of in the

00:25:25   same boat where I can't really rewatch

00:25:27   them more than I already have now kind

00:25:31   of kind of burnt out that's fair

00:25:33   so what other ones do you have have we

00:25:38   have all of your top 4 now no that was

00:25:41   just number 3 was talking about Six Feet

00:25:42   Under and I'm gonna final one yeah are

00:25:44   you ready for this I am

00:25:45   it is Mad Men did you forget Mad Men

00:25:50   existed yeah you did yeah yeah you know

00:25:53   it just finished like we just saw it

00:25:56   really no actually it's on the very

00:25:57   bottom of my short list in like fading

00:25:59   pen that I grabbed like at the very and

00:26:02   I'm like oh my god I forgot about Mad

00:26:03   Men and then I quickly popped it into

00:26:05   the number four slot because it is so

00:26:08   good it we just finished watching it so

00:26:11   it's pretty fresh in my mind

00:26:12   we after we finished watching it we went

00:26:14   back and watched the first episode and

00:26:16   it was even better like it was but we

00:26:19   haven't gone through a full rewatch I've

00:26:21   every watched it the whole thing not

00:26:24   what the last season but oh I don't know

00:26:26   I don't know you've gone through yeah

00:26:27   I've gone through it because I usually

00:26:30   have TV shows on while I'm editing

00:26:32   photos so you have a lot of stuff but I

00:26:35   just again it's it's great depth it's

00:26:38   great human stories but yeah it's

00:26:40   because it's like period if

00:26:43   very removed from my life so I don't I

00:26:46   don't feel like it's as heavy as

00:26:48   something like a Six Feet Under

00:26:50   right I think you can't like the issues

00:26:52   these people are facing are not usually

00:26:54   issues that we face it's more of like a

00:26:58   lens into history and you're you're

00:27:00   watching these people and there are

00:27:01   extremely painful moments and there's

00:27:04   very frustrating moments and there are

00:27:06   very down moments but overall I I found

00:27:11   the phenomenon I guess of Mad Men to be

00:27:15   worthy enough of a spot in the top four

00:27:18   yeah I I might be with you in that I

00:27:20   have to rewatch it first up before I can

00:27:22   say for sure but it was very good but

00:27:24   again like I've only seen it once

00:27:26   through really and it has spanned the

00:27:28   last what like six years it's been on

00:27:30   for a long time but I mean like the

00:27:32   whole all the themes of women's rights

00:27:34   and how that evolved and that just

00:27:36   powers me up man I just want yeah you

00:27:38   know punch my fist in the air and just

00:27:39   be like yeah so it enrages me you know

00:27:43   what I mean it's just it's insane how

00:27:46   poorly treated women were and people

00:27:49   were like and how how different

00:27:51   everything was it really does put quite

00:27:53   and was a anthropological lens

00:27:57   I guess into into the history there of

00:27:59   that part of history and especially you

00:28:01   know being from New York living in New

00:28:03   York we worked in the city like we have

00:28:05   a little bit of a taste of that culture

00:28:08   that they are looking back into at a

00:28:11   time that we weren't there and our pant

00:28:13   you know our parents were children at

00:28:15   that time and that's also cool to think

00:28:17   about because I don't know about you but

00:28:19   I had my oh yeah no I do know about you

00:28:22   because you're my husband like our

00:28:24   relatives were the ones that were

00:28:26   working in the city yeah and and doing

00:28:29   similar jobs I mean not in advertising

00:28:32   but I mean my my grandma would go into

00:28:35   the city as a working woman and work for

00:28:37   a patterning company I think

00:28:42   McCall's I can't think of any way stat I

00:28:45   mean she would go into the city and she

00:28:47   had a job in Manhattan during that time

00:28:49   so it was it's kind of it's kind of neat

00:28:53   to think about it historically in a

00:28:55   personal way as well

00:28:56   as a universal people way yeah so that's

00:29:01   why it's in my top 4 yeah that makes a

00:29:03   lot of sense and now I want to rewatch

00:29:04   it the first first we gotta watch the

00:29:06   widescreen wire that was that first

00:29:08   before I think so okay well we already

00:29:11   been long we already started watching

00:29:13   the first episode so I love madmen

00:29:15   madman

00:29:16   we went back right after the final

00:29:19   episode again spoiler dong but you know

00:29:21   it's I'm not gonna talk about it so I

00:29:24   guess it was great unspoiled Ong but if

00:29:28   you do watch it stop thinking about

00:29:30   spoilers all right yeah so what's so now

00:29:40   that we've heard about my list and you

00:29:43   are kind of envious of my picks a little

00:29:45   bit yeah I know because you forgot about

00:29:47   like half the things we've watched yep

00:29:50   what's on your list and I think we

00:29:53   should talk about runner-ups at the very

00:29:55   end yeah so number one was wire no

00:29:58   question the wire number one although I

00:30:00   do have note of you know season 1

00:30:02   through 4 is really the star of the show

00:30:04   season 5 is week season 5 is in your

00:30:07   number 5 slot yeah somewhere in the top

00:30:11   few I want Arrested Development but

00:30:14   again seasons 1 & 2 Rockstar season 3

00:30:16   okay

00:30:17   season 4 did not exist if this is gonna

00:30:20   be like your video games where you're

00:30:21   like I have a number 7 yeah yeah it's

00:30:24   basically was that and then and six feet

00:30:26   under I think should be somewhere around

00:30:27   here - probably probably around the same

00:30:28   level as Arrested Development Wow see

00:30:30   I'm surprised at 6 feet under is on

00:30:32   there for you it was a very good show I

00:30:34   know and we have a lot of his we have I

00:30:36   also have like the memory of us watching

00:30:38   it together for the first time which you

00:30:40   know changes things - absolutely yeah

00:30:42   like I remember sitting there in

00:30:43   Pittsburgh on the cold fall evenings the

00:30:45   windows open yep

00:30:47   yeah it's great on your hand me down

00:30:48   couch from your brother-in-law uh-huh

00:30:50   yeah that was arranged badly until you

00:30:52   came over amazing because I apparently

00:30:54   can't arrange furniture in a room okay

00:30:56   focus list so then and Breaking Bad I

00:30:59   think I had down here as well that

00:31:01   should be somewhere in probably didn't

00:31:03   top ten at least okay so why Breaking

00:31:05   Bad make the list for you well again I

00:31:07   think it's a little early to say but I

00:31:09   do

00:31:10   I do want to really consider it for this

00:31:14   presence because I do think it was well

00:31:16   it had a good

00:31:18   it was very encompassing like the whole

00:31:21   series it felt closure i I couldn't I

00:31:25   I'm sorry to interrupt you but real

00:31:27   quick I couldn't put on something like

00:31:28   um like The Sopranos because I didn't

00:31:32   like one of the seasons and then I also

00:31:34   didn't like how it ended like it didn't

00:31:35   feel close to me so like I couldn't

00:31:38   really put it on but see The Sopranos

00:31:41   I think the Sopranos also benefits from

00:31:45   what I described what I just described a

00:31:47   six feet under which is like at the time

00:31:48   it was out there were no other shows

00:31:50   that really like that surprises even its

00:31:53   that's that to me when there like some

00:31:55   of the scenes I can't even watch yeah

00:31:57   it's crazy like there are certain things

00:31:59   I can watch and certain thing I don't

00:32:01   know why but certain Sopranos scenes

00:32:03   just rub they were so angry and violent

00:32:06   yeah like it was so so much anger in the

00:32:09   violence that I couldn't watch it or I

00:32:13   feel like a lot of the times violence in

00:32:16   the wire a lot of it is kind of

00:32:18   circumstantial and it's business it's

00:32:20   business or it's like the it's kind of

00:32:24   like the the situation that a lot of

00:32:26   these people are in in the wire and it's

00:32:28   almost like they have no choice I mean

00:32:30   they definitely have a choice but it's

00:32:32   so ingrained in their culture and the

00:32:35   wire that this is how life works that it

00:32:38   feels different and then the violence in

00:32:41   I guess not really violence but strange

00:32:44   deaths and six feet under that's just

00:32:45   some of its that's just a random random

00:32:48   yeah bizarre death it's not really

00:32:50   particularly violent so yeah I had the

00:32:54   mm-hmm I can't do Sopranos Sopranos well

00:32:57   surprise I think also like so I do think

00:33:00   a lot of people say best show ever and I

00:33:01   think it really was it benefited from

00:33:04   its newness at the time and also I think

00:33:08   it had really spotty writing like like

00:33:11   some of the seasons and episodes were

00:33:13   way way better than others some of them

00:33:16   I thought were downright stupid

00:33:18   I think spoiler dong or whatever after

00:33:22   after Tony got shot I think there was a

00:33:24   long span of really terrible episodes in

00:33:28   season there's like two seasons that

00:33:29   were just awful like almost unwatchable

00:33:31   bad characters doing things that were

00:33:34   way out of character things like that

00:33:35   like it was just like I being so

00:33:38   sensitive to what I perceive as poor

00:33:40   writing I I had a hard time with The

00:33:43   Sopranos and I don't think I would

00:33:44   rewatch it just because I I don't think

00:33:47   I would get past those points very well

00:33:49   we'll see Breaking Bad now let's get

00:33:51   back to your right so I'm in Breaking

00:33:53   Bad has a lot of that angry violence in

00:33:55   it too it does and I have a very hard

00:33:57   time watching especially like a lot of

00:33:59   the scenes with Tuco you know like I I

00:34:01   can't

00:34:02   it's very hard for me to watch that and

00:34:05   well Breaking Bad so much because like

00:34:07   it's such a strange mix of yeah well

00:34:11   what it is also like it's it's kind of

00:34:13   it has a similar problem that weeds has

00:34:15   which is like breaking bad is really

00:34:18   didn't even make my short list it's not

00:34:20   good but we watch out anyway but it's

00:34:23   not good I would also say Dexter has a

00:34:25   similar issue

00:34:27   Dexter's better than weeds but I like

00:34:30   Michael something Hall what I see

00:34:33   Michael see home sure I think I don't

00:34:36   know yeah he's a great actor but you

00:34:41   know III think Dexter had has a really

00:34:44   big problem with consistency and also it

00:34:46   just gets so repetitive at the end was

00:34:47   so bad oh yeah the last season because

00:34:52   the end was so bad yeah and it had a

00:34:55   couple of seasons in the middle that

00:34:56   were like the whole season was stupid -

00:34:57   yeah yeah but so it's really how many

00:35:01   serial killers are there in Miami like

00:35:03   why are there so many serial killers in

00:35:05   one small area of the United States the

00:35:08   moral of the story is don't go to

00:35:09   Florida oh my god there's so many people

00:35:12   killing people down there they're just

00:35:14   oh no just don't even cross the border

00:35:16   like it yeah crazy town just stay away

00:35:18   from Florida that's what I couldn't buy

00:35:20   about Dexter like yeah every it was like

00:35:23   a bad cop show that every episode they

00:35:25   kept the bat they like someone caught

00:35:26   the bad guy and it's fine when the

00:35:28   crimes vary but when it's all serial

00:35:31   killers like that just boggles my mind

00:35:34   yeah anyway so going back for you going

00:35:37   back inside we got

00:35:38   here so I think weeds and Breaking Bad

00:35:40   both had a similar issue of the main

00:35:43   plot point was everything just keeps

00:35:47   going wrong and getting worse like

00:35:49   that's like that's the only thing that

00:35:51   just keeps happening is everything just

00:35:52   keeps getting worse the characters try

00:35:54   something and they get themselves into

00:35:55   some horrible situation and everything

00:35:57   just gets worse because they're horrible

00:35:58   I can't stand when the failure in a TV

00:36:02   show like the the big crisis moment is

00:36:04   due to miscommunication that makes me

00:36:08   insane like like or a lack of people I

00:36:11   can lost like a lack of communication

00:36:13   like don't even talk about loss is three

00:36:15   just tell people look we're from this

00:36:17   side of the island oh so are we oh these

00:36:19   open your mouths and talk to each other

00:36:21   like the whole like just like the big

00:36:23   thing in Breaking Bad when he lost his

00:36:25   money to those crazy people because he

00:36:27   thought someone was gonna spoiler dong

00:36:28   because you know he thought someone was

00:36:30   coming for them and then he gave someone

00:36:32   the coordinates and then they showed up

00:36:34   but the wrong person showed up and then

00:36:35   they start you oh my god just talk to

00:36:38   each other and say what you're doing

00:36:39   like that would have solved every I hate

00:36:42   when I can figure out the one line that

00:36:44   they needed to say to solve everything

00:36:46   that ruins a show for me right and also

00:36:48   that like a normal person in its in the

00:36:51   situation would have just said that one

00:36:52   line yeah exactly like it's it's not

00:36:55   like it's not like there was this some

00:36:56   unfortunate tragedy where this doesn't

00:36:58   this you know would never have happened

00:37:00   you know if you put regular people in

00:37:02   the situation they would have you

00:37:03   communicated something more and this

00:37:04   wouldn't have been a problem yeah the

00:37:05   show kind of would have been over if

00:37:07   Walter was like hey Skyler I might be

00:37:10   able to sell some drugs what do you

00:37:13   think about this exactly anyway so yeah

00:37:17   so the whole like the type of show where

00:37:20   everyone just keeps messing themselves

00:37:23   up and getting themselves into

00:37:24   increasingly horrible situations I think

00:37:27   is kind of like a cheap shot and and I

00:37:29   get tired of it easily and so that's why

00:37:31   I could watch weeds Breaking Bad's on

00:37:33   your list now it yeah because you

00:37:35   couldn't think of anything else to put

00:37:37   on your list yeah pretty much I ended it

00:37:38   last minute you want to see you remember

00:37:40   coupling yes I have I have one more on

00:37:42   my list that we haven't talked about yet

00:37:43   okay and that's what I've been saving as

00:37:45   my finale even though it's not my number

00:37:46   one is it a surprise special guest

00:37:49   it is freaks and geeks

00:37:51   nice Freaks and Geeks I would put

00:37:54   somewhere in the top three probably my

00:37:56   number three I it is such a good show

00:38:00   and and I darted that are very painful

00:38:03   for you you vote yet whenever we watch

00:38:05   they are yeah because you know I've

00:38:07   always been a geek and and I had you

00:38:09   know a similarly hard time in school as

00:38:11   a lot of those a lot of those geek kids

00:38:13   and that in that in that show and I had

00:38:16   a really hard time with with a lot of

00:38:17   that stuff and so it is very painful to

00:38:20   watch at times but they manage like the

00:38:23   show they I've heard I've read

00:38:24   interviews here and there and you know

00:38:26   from some of the writers and cast and

00:38:27   everything and like the show was written

00:38:30   mostly from real stories that actually

00:38:33   happened to the writers and cast members

00:38:35   as you're growing up and the show was

00:38:38   made by geeks for geeks

00:38:41   it wasn't it like you know now that now

00:38:43   that there's money to be made in the

00:38:45   geek label because now he could

00:38:47   compasses lots of very lucrative things

00:38:49   now it's like geek has been invaded by

00:38:51   like people who just want to capitalize

00:38:53   on it who don't really understand it and

00:38:55   who kind of like portray it almost like

00:38:56   a parody like kind of Steve Urkel style

00:38:58   geeky but freaks and geeks was made by

00:39:02   people who you could tell they were

00:39:04   genuine you could tell they actually it

00:39:06   you could tell it was painful for them

00:39:08   too because they went through challenges

00:39:10   like this when they were in school when

00:39:12   they were young and and so and that

00:39:15   comes through you can really feel it as

00:39:17   as a geek like it comes through as

00:39:19   genuine I also like how a lot of the the

00:39:22   people who the people who play the geeks

00:39:24   in this in the series they are the right

00:39:29   age yeah for who they're playing yeah

00:39:31   they're all like you know sixteen and

00:39:33   they well they're you know I think James

00:39:35   Franco and a couple of the other people

00:39:36   who were playing the freaks were a

00:39:38   little bit older yeah I think they wrote

00:39:40   like like this like Sam Weir and his

00:39:42   friends like I think they were all

00:39:43   pretty they were they were all very

00:39:44   young and they looked like high school

00:39:46   students were supposed to look they

00:39:48   don't look like the Freak mutated high

00:39:50   school students they were all 35 or

00:39:53   series yeah we're like it's more of the

00:39:55   high school of the cool kids that you're

00:39:57   following the way this was totally

00:40:00   different

00:40:00   I love freaks and geeks I thought it was

00:40:02   fantastic - yeah and and it was all you

00:40:04   know it was only on for what

00:40:05   two seasons it was really short it was

00:40:07   canceled was it two or three have it in

00:40:09   the closet anyway there aren't that many

00:40:13   episodes of it I think there's only 20

00:40:14   episodes it's a very short show and they

00:40:16   were short episodes there was even some

00:40:18   mixup on some of the episodes right it

00:40:20   wasn't like one minute I think they

00:40:22   aired them out of order like after after

00:40:24   it had been decided that it's gonna be

00:40:25   canceled they like aired them in a weird

00:40:27   order but you know with now at the

00:40:28   Internet with you can get him in the

00:40:29   right order but anyway it never had a

00:40:31   chance to get bad because there weren't

00:40:33   that many episodes and and so I I really

00:40:37   hold that very highly that even though

00:40:39   like if you if you would like if there

00:40:41   was some article on BuzzFeed or

00:40:43   something that was like top you know top

00:40:45   five shows ever made like I don't think

00:40:47   it would ever get that kind of

00:40:48   recognition but it does for me because

00:40:51   similar to like what your feelings about

00:40:53   the office of it being and I think and I

00:40:55   will put the office in this list too I

00:40:56   think I put it above Breaking Bad but

00:41:00   it's similar to your feeling but the

00:41:01   office like I just feel good watching

00:41:03   freaking geeks and it there was never a

00:41:06   point in it where I was like oh this is

00:41:08   so dumb or the characters would never

00:41:10   have done this like there was never one

00:41:13   of those big writing flaws it never felt

00:41:15   like too like too much or too outrageous

00:41:18   or too patronizing or anything like that

00:41:19   it just is a very good show

00:41:22   and I think it portrays you know growing

00:41:26   up a portrays high school and and and

00:41:29   that awkward stage and and being a geek

00:41:32   it portrays those things in a very fair

00:41:37   way in a way that really feels true and

00:41:40   I don't think I've ever seen another

00:41:43   show that really nailed it the way they

00:41:45   did in that way I agree with you I think

00:41:48   it's a fantastic series but the reason

00:41:50   it didn't make my list just you know it

00:41:52   was because I didn't feel completely

00:41:54   rounded out and finished as a series it

00:41:57   left me wanting a little bit more but

00:41:59   like you said it didn't have a chance to

00:42:00   get bad which is a definite plus but at

00:42:03   the same time the way the the end a

00:42:06   couple of the episodes being a little

00:42:08   strange and disjointed towards the end

00:42:11   and not I just didn't feel like it was

00:42:13   really finished like I needed to a

00:42:16   little bit more about these people

00:42:19   to round it out and make it be like I

00:42:21   just watched a series like a lot for me

00:42:24   a really good TV series feels like an

00:42:26   extremely long movie yeah it needs the

00:42:31   the ups and downs of each episode but

00:42:33   each episode needs to connect to each

00:42:35   other and then form this whole arced

00:42:37   story that kind of gets tied up in a

00:42:40   nice little bundle of of this is this is

00:42:44   how it ends and series that didn't end

00:42:46   well or were left open I couldn't put

00:42:49   them on my list and in addition to

00:42:50   series that I haven't seen the end of

00:42:52   like something like house of cards which

00:42:54   we love Brian I couldn't really put that

00:42:56   on my list or The Walking Dead or which

00:43:00   oh my god that gives me so much anxiety

00:43:03   well I also have a problem orange is the

00:43:06   new black like it's not done yet

00:43:08   so I can't judge it but I love it I have

00:43:10   a problem highly ranking shows where I

00:43:13   end up hating everyone in them by the

00:43:16   end and so I would definitely have

00:43:19   Breaking Bad as as one as that's one of

00:43:21   its downsides I would also put six feet

00:43:23   under on that list where they're in your

00:43:25   top you just said they're near the top

00:43:27   are they getting knocked down now

00:43:29   because you're thinking of some other

00:43:30   things well no yeah they're near the top

00:43:32   but but like like six feet under by the

00:43:34   end you hate Nate you hate Brenda yeah I

00:43:39   mean who else isn't it I mean you know

00:43:40   like you just hate them you really care

00:43:42   about like you know Clare and Clare

00:43:44   pretty much the whole end is about

00:43:47   Claire yeah the whole end is about her

00:43:48   but no but yeah like you're gonna need

00:43:50   to put a serious dog in the front of

00:43:51   this show to say that we're gonna be

00:43:53   talking about all these shows and then

00:43:55   you're gonna be spoiled yeah well so you

00:44:00   know six feet under it had that problem

00:44:02   where at the end you just hate all the

00:44:04   main characters Breaking Bad I think had

00:44:06   the exact same problem where like you

00:44:08   just you hate wall you hate Jessie like

00:44:10   hates Kyla you hate Skye like you just

00:44:12   hate all those people by the end and I

00:44:15   don't but you love Saul that's true like

00:44:18   I don't feel great about those shows as

00:44:22   much as I do with the shows that kind of

00:44:25   make you love everybody and like the

00:44:28   wire I think is excellent this kind of

00:44:30   balance because the wire you know it has

00:44:32   like ostensibly good guy

00:44:33   as you said earlier like with the

00:44:35   violence the wire it writes things and

00:44:38   depicts things such that it kind of

00:44:41   shows everyone's basically doing what is

00:44:45   plausibly sensible to them given the

00:44:48   situation they're in yeah everyone feels

00:44:50   justified in their actions so you do end

00:44:51   up hating anybody and you feel horrible

00:44:53   that they have to do the stuff that they

00:44:54   have to do exactly like everything it's

00:44:57   the it's the it's the drug dealers it's

00:45:00   the people who are in the wake of the

00:45:02   drug dealer like every everybody you

00:45:05   they're victims of their circumstances

00:45:07   and it's their very they're not tragic I

00:45:11   mean they it is tragic but you want them

00:45:15   to succeed and you want them to be

00:45:17   better yeah and and that's and I feel

00:45:21   like like you just said it some of the

00:45:22   other shows you just don't feel like

00:45:24   they have much hope of succeeding

00:45:25   because they've proven over and over

00:45:27   again that they are incapable of

00:45:29   changing and being better right because

00:45:30   the other shows all they can like all

00:45:32   the riders can ever do is just make

00:45:34   everything worse well it's because most

00:45:35   of the people that they're writing are

00:45:37   all like whiny people I also want to

00:45:38   mention like on an upside Parks and Rec

00:45:41   I love Parks and Rec but I didn't see

00:45:43   the last season yet so can boy they're

00:45:45   done I didn't see the last season no

00:45:47   dong I'm saying it for everyone else so

00:45:49   they don't dong and don't dog us yeah

00:45:52   don't Don us if you have a podcast about

00:45:55   TV shows we won't listen to it and

00:45:57   totally watch it right I mean the funny

00:46:00   thing is like what what the heck are

00:46:02   they gonna do like what-what could

00:46:05   really be spoiled in Parks and Rec that

00:46:06   would really ruin like the last season

00:46:08   for us it doesn't it's not the kind of

00:46:09   show the problem is it already felt like

00:46:10   it finished

00:46:11   yeah it's recent one that we watched the

00:46:13   one before the last season it felt like

00:46:15   it was done because they went ahead in

00:46:17   the future and they showed like Leslie

00:46:18   doing her thing you know in the Central

00:46:21   Park office or whatever like the

00:46:22   statewide park yeah yeah that she made

00:46:24   and like the upstairs but so that felt

00:46:27   finished to me yeah and so I haven't

00:46:29   been like akin to get my hands on the

00:46:31   last season because I kind of felt like

00:46:33   it ended yeah like seeing that if I

00:46:36   didn't know there was a next season I

00:46:37   would have assumed that was the end of

00:46:38   the series yeah so I'm a little scared

00:46:40   yeah me too okay could you guys give me

00:46:43   some Ron Swanson well but again I think

00:46:46   Ron Swanson has been a victim

00:46:47   bad writing over time yeah he has some

00:46:49   spots that are bad like he turned stupid

00:46:52   like in the last couple seasons that we

00:46:55   saw like he he actually like he just

00:46:57   became kind of a clown and kind of an

00:46:59   idiot

00:46:59   rather than like the like you know

00:47:01   eccentric you know hard-ass that he was

00:47:04   in the earlier ones like he just became

00:47:06   an idiot well that's what makes the

00:47:07   Michael Scott character so fantastic I

00:47:09   think because in general he's written as

00:47:12   an idiot but then you see him being

00:47:14   really good at his job in certain

00:47:16   episodes and you're like that makes

00:47:19   sense why he has this job now yeah even

00:47:21   though he acts like a fool in between he

00:47:24   really can get his job done being that

00:47:27   as a documentary about an office and

00:47:29   working and and you see him being a

00:47:31   competent person and it makes him just

00:47:35   so much doubt I love it yeah well and I

00:47:38   think that's one thing that the u.s.

00:47:41   office did way better than the British

00:47:42   office and granted the British office

00:47:44   only had like he was season 12 episodes

00:47:46   yeah it was barely yeah plus the

00:47:48   Christmas special thing it was it had

00:47:50   almost no time relative to like the

00:47:52   amount of time that the US office had to

00:47:54   devote to anything have you watched the

00:47:56   UK office after watching the American

00:48:01   office recently not recently

00:48:03   I tried putting it on because it's on

00:48:04   Netflix it is hard to watch yeah this is

00:48:08   not it was amazing when we first saw it

00:48:10   before the American office came out

00:48:12   remember how bad we thought the American

00:48:13   office was because it was trying to be

00:48:15   the British office which we loved well

00:48:17   the first few episodes the American

00:48:19   office was bad because it was trying to

00:48:21   pick the British one yeah but you know

00:48:22   the British one never developed the

00:48:26   David Burke character it never developed

00:48:28   that the way the Michael Scott character

00:48:29   did of like you just like at the end you

00:48:32   just hated the boss you just hated David

00:48:35   Brent you never liked it never developed

00:48:37   him into it developed him into a jerk

00:48:40   whereas the u.s. office developed

00:48:43   Michael Scott into a lovable idiot

00:48:45   which is and and naughty and not like an

00:48:48   idiot in like a charming way like it in

00:48:50   like a kind of like a cool he was he was

00:48:53   a yeah court jester but at the same time

00:48:56   but in the charming yes sir it can has

00:48:59   to kind of be a little bit smart to

00:49:01   yeah it was it was always like Michael

00:49:03   Scott was was charming and and he was

00:49:06   lovable and David noxious yeah David

00:49:10   Brent was obnoxious but they didn't

00:49:11   build any character depth into David

00:49:13   Brent we knew a lot about Michael

00:49:14   Scott's character in his history in his

00:49:17   childhood and his relationships like we

00:49:20   knew a lot about him throughout the

00:49:22   series of the office that we never got

00:49:25   from the British office yeah and and you

00:49:28   know the British office yeah I mean yes

00:49:29   it was very short but I think I think it

00:49:31   had to be that short because they

00:49:33   basically did what they could do like

00:49:35   like they I think they had exhausted

00:49:36   most of the value out of the relatively

00:49:39   shallow characters that they that they

00:49:40   had created

00:49:41   all right Marco so what is your real

00:49:45   list we are all very confused yeah so am

00:49:48   I so I know number one the wire number

00:49:52   two may be between between Arrested

00:49:57   Development freaks and geeks and the

00:50:00   office so that's my top four but I'm not

00:50:03   entirely sure of the order all right and

00:50:07   Six Feet Under

00:50:08   is then Breaking Bad or kind of like

00:50:10   down like in like the five through ten

00:50:12   range I love it like ten minutes ago

00:50:14   Breaking Bad was like your number two it

00:50:16   was it knows my number five it's right

00:50:18   here okay one day one of these one of

00:50:21   these times we're gonna get you to have

00:50:24   like a real list I will never have know

00:50:26   that'll be like the thing with the shows

00:50:27   I will never actually have a solid top

00:50:29   four list prepared in advance we'll see

00:50:32   you'll have to pick the topic next time

00:50:34   I have a whole list of possible topics

00:50:36   my idea is to spring them on you without

00:50:38   any warning like we'll just do it one

00:50:40   night all right now we're talking about

00:50:41   you know hey I put it on the eighties

00:50:46   cars what the hell I couldn't even name

00:50:50   an 80s car besides being like yeah the

00:50:53   Fords something from the 80s or the

00:50:56   Mustang from the 80s or the Corvette

00:50:59   from the 80s all right well thanks a lot

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