H.I. #87: Podcast of the Century
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hello hello it looks good waveform looks
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good on the new posh as cushions
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microphone I was not sure if you were
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actually going to use that to record a
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show or if it was going to remain a
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trophy forever somewhere in your house I
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couldn't have predicted what you were
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going to do I like the idea of it taking
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some beatings like while I do like
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objects I also like objects that have
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like been used in battle like the real
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thing I prefer that to something that
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just sits in a glass case mmm so once
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this has got scratches on it and I've
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dropped it and it's got a few dings and
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dongs and things like that's just gonna
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make me love it more and you know
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knowing that it was used for the next
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two to three hundred hello Internet
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episodes you and I will be automated by
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then of course hopefully oh thanks I
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would like nothing more to collect the
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revenues on an automated hello Internet
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I'm so excited to tell you about this
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that I don't know how to tell you okay
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like do I stretch it out as a big long
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story with the twist or do I just like
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tell you the cool thing first and I
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don't know how to do it I think I'm
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gonna just jump right in and give you
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the good stuff cuz you just have to know
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it's too cool I don't know Brady isn't
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it always best to start at the beginning
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no not always
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I'm gonna mess around with the timeline
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a bit here okay I'm gonna send you a
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picture okay okay in itself it's a
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pretty cool picture here we go
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Oh what are you saying there the scale
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is a little tricky on this photograph
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but it looks like I am seeing a rocket
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launch at night I can't quite tell how
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big this actually is but it looks like a
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pretty reasonably sized Rockets
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launching over the ocean or watching
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over the ocean this is part of the
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Roxette X project that NASA runs where
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they launch these things called sounding
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rockets okay which are basically
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repurposed military hardware that they
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can send into space on suborbital
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flights as kind of a cheap way of
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putting things in space and they're
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often used for research or sometimes
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student projects and things like that so
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they'll go up and you'll get five or six
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minutes of zero-g and that sort of thing
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oh so there are people in there no there
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aren't people in the okay no they're
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nowhere near big enough for like people
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but they're still pretty hefty Rockets
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and they can go hundreds
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miles into space so you know pretty
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awesome things so interesting story as
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well by the way why they're called
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sounding Rockets because I thought there
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must be something to do with like sonar
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or something like they used to send them
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up and like have them make noise to
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measure things but it actually has
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nothing to do with it it comes from like
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the nautical term sounding which is when
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they used to drop like string or ropes
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with weights on them off the back of a
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ship to measure how deep the water was
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hmm so this is kind of like in Reverse
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because they're sending these things
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that really high
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they're sending these sounding rockets
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into space to figure out how deep space
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is I don't think that's the job of this
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sounding is the string at the end of the
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rocket if we're going to send it as far
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as we can and that's how big space is
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Mikiko boy golly it's a space it's
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really big there that last one we sent
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we ran out of string again
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so big deal and I'll actually uh
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endeavor to post a video of this
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particular one launching because it's
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not like watching a set in five take off
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to the moon where they start off really
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slow rumbling from the pad these things
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are like a bullet out of a gun they're
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hmm I think it's something like 30
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g-forces when they take off there's
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nobody in that rocket it's crazy and
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even when it's that sustained flight
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it's about 15 J so you couldn't put
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people in it and they also spin at a
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crazy rate to keep them stable but then
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this particular one sort of stops
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spinning when it gets into space and it
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stayed sort of weightless and hardly
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moving at all for six minutes and then
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they re spin it up and it falls back
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down to earth and it lands in the ocean
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in the Atlantic Ocean this thing takes
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off from a place called the Wallops
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Flight Facility which is an island off
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Virginia hmm and then someone will fish
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it out of the water and if necessary
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they can get the experiment out of the
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rocket if it hasn't been bits
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information back hmm that's what's going
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on this particular launch happened just
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recently on August 13 and this thing
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went up a hundred miles so it went into
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space came back down fantastic these
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things have you know reasonably common
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launches like this but this one was a
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bit special and I'll send you another
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picture okay because as far as I know
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this is the first time that the hello
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Internet Nayland gear flag has gone into
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space there was a nail and gear flag in
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the nose of this rocket dick has now
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been into space Wow okay so you send me
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a picture of a mini flag that it looks
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like somebody made about the length of a
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number-two pencil this was in the nose
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of the spaceship that we're talking
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about here it was so if I may explain
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okay yeah how did this come to pass
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basically the start of Operation tetra
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as I'm calling it I was contacted by a
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Tim who I'm gonna give the code name
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deep space contacted me and this person
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was was working on the experimental
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payload and it's quite common for people
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working on these sort of things to put a
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couple of little personal trinkets in
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like everyone likes IANA if there's
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something that can be signed and they
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might put like an SD card with a bunch
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of pictures and everyone's names on them
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so they can say your name went into
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space and that so deep space contacted
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me and basically said there could be an
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opportunity here so we decided it was
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time for the hailing gear to go into
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space but it had to be extremely small
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we couldn't send like a full-size flag
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because the amount of space and weight
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you've got is like tiny yeah he
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basically said I had to be small enough
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that if it was all like round up it
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could fit inside like a tiny little like
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pill container and the amount of fuel
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you need to accelerate any mass to 30
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G's at a sustained level it gets
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expensive fast hmm but luckily I happen
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to be very good friends in Bristol here
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with a very talented woman whose
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business is doing tiny like intricate
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stitching and needlework
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so I didn't want to just send like a
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paper flag or a cardboard flag into
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space because I thought that would be a
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bit naff I want it to be like a proper
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cloth flag with you know the nailing
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gear embroidered on so what you're
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looking at there is not just like a
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piece of paper that looks at the nailing
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gear there is a proper cloth flag with
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little bits of string and like all the
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little things as if you were going to
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so it is a proper nailing gear flag
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shrunk down even the white part there is
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like separate cloth stitched on so this
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friend of mine made this beautiful tiny
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flag yeah you sent me the world's
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tiniest photograph of this tiny flag you
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sent me a photograph for ants so I
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couldn't quite see the detail but yes
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once you start describing it I can see
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that it has that additional bit of white
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on it so that it can be flown on a tiny
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planet that this spaceship might land on
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baby I'm gonna say that that makes it a
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hundred times better that it's not just
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a piece of paper with the logo printed
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out on it it is a hello Internet flag
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shrunk down to tiny size that's way
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better that's way better uh uh for the
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listeners after my complaining that the
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photograph Brady sent me was too small
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Brady has now sent macro shots of the
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detail of this flag I think these are
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ten 20 megapixel photos that have come
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across the old iMessage now I can see
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every if i zoom into my computer I can
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see every single individual lovingly
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crafted stitch on this tiny hello
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internet flag it's beautiful I did say
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to my friend Kate because like her
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business is making these tiny stitch
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things like she makes like recreations
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of detailed maps out of stitches hmm and
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I did say to her once the Tim say this
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like they're gonna get pretty excited I
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did say how do you feel about making a
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whole bunch of tiny you know India flags
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and she sort of said she may have a
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sideline anyway at the moment there's
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just the one man it's been in space and
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it's being sent back to me it was fished
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out of the well the whole rocket was
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lodged out of the Atlantic by the
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fishermen oh god I didn't even occur to
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me see you're gonna get this back in
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your hands yes Wow it's soon to be in
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the post from codenamed deep space and
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I've said can you also include like an
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official letter to like certify that it
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went into space and all that sort of
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stuff cuz you know I like all that kind
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so hello Internet flag in space it did
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get a little bit wet because when the
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rocket smashes into the season
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can leak in so a little bit of seawater
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got onto it but you know that just adds
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to the awesomeness of it in my opinion
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it was exposed to a bit of you know a
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bit a vacuum nurse and you know it's
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done the real deal man it's done the
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real deal this is such an artifact of
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hello Internet I know what you're
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thinking I know what you're thinking
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what am I thinking Brady medal of honor
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well medal of honor obviously I don't
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need to say that out loud I'm still
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thinking about just the object itself
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and oh yeah this needs to be kept in a
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vacuum seal like under a glass dome
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there needs to be some sort of like
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monument around this hello internet
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artifact this is great I really love
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this like the photograph that you sent
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me of this launch like it's majestic to
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see photographs of humans launching
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objects into space just under normal
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circumstances like look at this
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tremendous triumph we have as a species
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but now that this photograph has taken
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on almost majestic or holy proportions
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in my mind I lack the words to describe
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it yeah well my plan is to get that
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amazing photo framed with the flag
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framed mmm and have it like as a
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permanent display that could possibly go
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and well to us right yes yeah I was
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thinking Kate who stitched her I was
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thinking of having it that displayed in
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her shop for a like a month or two so
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she could say look I made this flag and
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here is going into space cuz then like
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normal people will see it and I won't
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just be in my office and it feels like
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it's like it's part of its well to a
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stage one I could see the museums around
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the world that are interested in in
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hello internet as a cultural powerhouse
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would want there's artifacts on loan on
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display I think this quite reasonably
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could go on world tours in museums
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across the globe without a doubt before
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going into its final resting place at
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the permanent hello internet museum on
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level seven of the Marty Blackstone
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right of course we're all be displayed
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next to the full-size hello Internet
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Nayland gave flag that was flown on Air
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Force One which is already framed in my
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yes Brady's office the temporary holding
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place for all of the hello internet
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artifacts that will eventually be
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relocated to the proper Museum do you
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know what's amazing though what there
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was actually a nail in gear space race
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I'm gonna send you another picture I'm
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not even joking here comes another
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picture sent by another Tim who has been
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working on the innards and circuitry for
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a small satellite which is likely to be
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launched possibly next year please tell
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me this is a Soviet satellite it's not
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severe it's not serious
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oh wow this is a piece of it looks like
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circuit board like printed circuit board
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it's like shielding board and
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silk-screened
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on to it is the name of a few people of
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note engine the creator and well you can
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see it there gray yeah I can see that
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this the nail and gear silk-screened
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onto the shielding board for this
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satellite it's very I like that it's
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being it's being held in you know the
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blue gloves for working with delicate
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equipment or important equipment this is
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proper cleanroom stuff you're looking at
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here this is a honest-to-goodness
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awesome satellite that's gonna be proper
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like 600 kilometers in space for a long
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time this is no joking matter
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so up there as it's zooming around the
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earth there will be a nail in gear
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insert shielding the delicate innards of
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the satellite from the harsh radiation
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of space also awesome not as awesome as
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an actual flag going into space but
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still very very awesome do you know
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what's really cool about the miniature
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flag and why it means so much to me well
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is because it was a really big thing in
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the Apollo time to take miniature flags
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like to the moon and stuff oh yeah and
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you can still buy them on the
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second-hand market and a miniature
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American flag that went to the moon
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depending on whether it went around the
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moon landed on the moon went on the
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surface of the Moon you're looking at
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tens tens tens of thousands of dollars
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at least wait can you explain that to me
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are you saying that there was there was
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a market for astronauts bringing flags
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up on space missions and then bringing
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them back Apollo astronauts ever allow
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all astronauts still but it was a it was
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a particularly big thing in the Apollo
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time were allowed to take these personal
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preference kits they're called ppk/s
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to space and it's like you know a cloth
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bag and you could put whatever you
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wanted in there so they would put things
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in there that would be valuable because
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they went to space and if the material
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stayed in the module that went around
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the moon you know that's pretty valuable
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if you took it with you into the lunar
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landing module and it went down onto the
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surface that made the item even more
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valuable if it was in a pocket or
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something when you walked around on the
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moon well that's pretty valuable stuff
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days it did start causing a few
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controversies later on Apollo 15 got
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themselves into a bit of controversy to
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do with taking up a bunch of envelopes
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and stamps and salt and stuff and the
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Hulk sort of grubby market side of it
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became a little bit controversial for a
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while that's what I was wondering is
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this like part of the unofficial
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compensation package of becoming an
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astronaut is a wink-wink we all know you
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get to bring up some stuff that you can
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sell on the grey market
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it wasn't even unofficial there are
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these things and you can still buy them
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today there's quite a market for them I
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think they're called
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insurance covers and they would be like
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an official envelope like with nice
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printed stuff on it like a picture of
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the crew commemorating the mission and
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like stamps and things like that and all
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the astronauts on that mission like Neil
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Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and Michael
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Collins did this with each sign the
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envelope mm-hmm so it had all three
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members of the mission on the envelope
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and they do a whole bunch of them and
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then those envelopes would be split
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amongst the families because then if
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they then like died on the moon because
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they couldn't get life insurance because
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no one would insure them these things
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would be so valuable they would act as
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life insurance so they were actually
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called insurance covers and there were
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things they were sitting there signing
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thinking this is gonna keep my family
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fed if I die in space hmm interesting
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stuff isn't it the the envelope thing
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I've heard that I guess what I'm
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wondering is that this policy of you can
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bring up a little bag full of personal
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items yeah how much was it blessed or
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anticipated from NASA that you of course
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are going to bring up things that you're
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just going to resell versus oh you're
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you're bringing up a photograph of your
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wife and family you know to put on the
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dashboard of the spaceship like in a
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movie or whatever or leave on the moon
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there was one Apollo astronaut who left
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a photo of his wife and kids actually on
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the surface of the Moon or to do that
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like I guess that's what I'm wondering
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I understand that they could officially
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bring up objects but was it foreseen or
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anticipated that this would rapidly turn
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into a gray market of memorabilia I'm
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pretty sure it was already a known thing
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that was happening hmm like even before
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Apollo the early missions it was sort of
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already a thing that items flown in
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space were valuable and astronauts
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you know when known to be taking them up
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there and like doing their own little
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side deals with people to take certain
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things into space it came to a head
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after Apollo 15 I can't remember all the
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exact details I think from memory it was
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reaching a kind of more industrial scale
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almost and then it kind of started
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looking bad or and then they sort of
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introduced some new rules but up until
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then it was kind of okay NASA again I'm
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just speaking from memory here but I
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believe NASA didn't even look at what
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was in those bags that's how personal
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they were the only person who had a list
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of what was in your personal preference
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kit I believe was probably deke Slayton
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who was the head of the astronaut office
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so he had to know what was in there just
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so that you weren't taking you know a
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stick of dynamite up or something like
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that or the or they have a they have an
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inventory just in case there's an Apollo
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13 moment of oh oh somebody brought
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scotch tape how incredibly convenient
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assist I actually brought the correct
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shaped carbon what a blessing that's
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really interesting
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I have one more question about this
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Brady Oh Andy what go on can you explain
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the name operation tetra I feel like
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there's some clever meaning to this that
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I as a person who lacks your
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encyclopedic knowledge of outer space I
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am not picking up on what is this
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operation name and what does it mean
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the reason is code operation tetra is
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not for me to reveal that is a decision
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for deep-space if we manage to reveal it
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okay that's how secretive it is if
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deep-space wishes to reveal why we're
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calling our operation tetra that is his
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prerogative okay
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well we'll find out next episode if such
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information is revealed or if it remains
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forever a mystery I was so excited by
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this but before I spoke about it on the
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show today because obviously most just
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had been done by email and post before I
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spoke about it on the show today I
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wanted to have had a voice conversation
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just to find out you know you find out
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so much more that way
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so I had the phone call and that just
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got me even more excited and I couldn't
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tell you because I wanted to surprise
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you on the show hmm so I immediately
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phoned my wife and she's like what's
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going on I'm so excited I have to tell
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you what's going on in LA and she
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already knew about the thing going into
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space I was like I spoke I spoke to him
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she said oh that's good and you know I
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told her all sorts of bits and pieces
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and she listened and you know what her
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reaction was I'm going to guess as with
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so many things with your wife and hello
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Internet related her reaction was no
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reaction she said don't forget to pick
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up some bananas at the show oh god
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that's the worst
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that is so deflation arey I can
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understand that feeling I have been on
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the unintentional receiving end of those
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kind of remarks to where you're telling
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someone something that you think is so
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amazing and that other person is like oh
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that's great that's great we need milk
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as well if you happen to be going out
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like before that she did ask me one
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question and that kind of shot me down
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as well because I said oh the flow I
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went into space I went into space and
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she went we're in space did it go mm-hmm
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and then I went oh well it like it went
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up like high for six minutes and then it
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fell back down into the sea okay she was
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►
looking for a planet name actually two
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►
and a half years ago on day one of the
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podcast we launched a probe headed out
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towards Pluto and it's just come back
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anyway I did pick up the bananas we get
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the important things done here speaking
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of space gray Elon Musk apparently has
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released the picture of what the
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spacesuit is gonna look like that is
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gonna be worn by his SpaceX crew when
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they like go to space I mean I don't
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know why there's crew on his dragon
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cargo capsule spurt
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okay I have a question Brady okay all
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right there's a good chance I won't have
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the answer well okay my question is
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actually partly about that because I
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feel like maybe I'm wrong about this but
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it feel like you're a real NASA man am I
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right about that like yeah a couple of
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episodes ago
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there was something about cars in
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Australia and it was like Oh everybody
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in Australia it's wibbly-wobbly versus
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zingers like and I'm a wibbly-wobbly man
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like people pick sides in nineteen oh
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you're talking about now Holden Holden
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yeah yeah I got it all right I may be
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wrong but I'm realizing when you send me
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this story about SpaceX that I feel like
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you're a NASA man in your bones and I
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would wonder first is that correct and
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if it is correct
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►
how much do you follow news about SpaceX
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I love NASA because you know I've got
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the runs on the board haven't they they
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put people on the moon they were the
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ground breakers and when they were doing
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space stuff at its best it was all about
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just what can we do what can we do just
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for the sake of doing not what's gonna
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make us money not how much money are we
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gonna get by landing on the moon or
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putting people in space or taking a
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photo of the moons of Saturn it was just
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what can we do and let's do it and I
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love them for that times have changed
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and at times have even changed at NASA
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in my opinion and so when I look at
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things like SpaceX
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while they're doing impressive difficult
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things mm-hmm
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a lot of it is kind of what can we do
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that's already been done but cheaper
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what can we do that's already been done
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but earn money from it right and like
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that's important and like I know it's
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important to make space stuff cheaper
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because that's what's gonna make it you
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know more useful to us as humans but
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that just doesn't inspire me I'm not
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inspired by economics like when they
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keep landing these reusable rockets and
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everyone's like this is a great
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milestone for space like it's not a
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great milestone it just means it's gonna
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make rocket use cheaper mm-hmm and
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that's to me that's not a milestone
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that's just like economies and like
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don't get me wrong it does look pretty
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impressive when those things land
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because there just is such a bizarre
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looking thing to see something land
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backwards like that mm-hmm so I am
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impressed by the visuals of it but I
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don't think all these milestones of
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making things cheaper are like inspiring
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me I think they're good and I'm glad
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people are doing them and I'm glad
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they're a businessman who care about
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these things because it's important to
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push it all forward so I'm not going to
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poopoo them but I'm also not gonna
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get stars in my eyes and think how
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wonderful this is I just think it's just
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the corporatization and the businesses
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ation of space which was inevitable and
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but it just doesn't stir me you like
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space before it was all corporate yeah
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►
you've summed it up there yeah it's
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interesting because I am very aware that
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of all of the companies that are in the
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musk orbit the only one that I actually
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really follow with any detail is Tesla
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and I haven't followed any of the news
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out of SpaceX it just doesn't hold my
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mind even though I completely agree with
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with your comments but like the
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economics of it are important for the
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future of space travel it's just that I
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don't follow it I actually haven't even
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seen one of those videos yet of the
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Rockets landing backwards like I've I've
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seen still photographs but I've never
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actually seen the video itself it's
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quite a sight it's quite a funny size
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it's worth a look yeah but I just think
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is interesting is I do know people who
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are into space and it's like for some
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people like while you are a NASA man
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some people are all in on SpaceX like
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they're super interested in SpaceX and
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not very interested in the stuff that
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came before space yeah there are two
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types of SpaceX fans there are the ones
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you just described who we'd like just
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love that it's becoming business and
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private mhm and they're also like the
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cheerleaders who just like anything
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space is good hey if it's space it's
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good and they get all excited and you
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know my feeling on this face - your
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pressure that's how you feel about it
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space - you pressure you mustn't say
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anything bad about SpaceX because
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they're like pushing space forward and
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like you know they're not question that
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anyway I think it's an interesting thing
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because I vaguely know when SpaceX stuff
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is going on because I see people
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tweeting at me about the news and asking
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what I think about it I'm just always
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the way that I just don't follow it it
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doesn't pull my attention toward it
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maybe I think you've solidified
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something in my mind that it's it's like
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the NASA stuff is interesting because it
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was first and as I think I've said
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before in the podcast I view a lot of
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the NASA stuff as particularly
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interesting the whole space race time
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was particularly interesting because it
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history where there there
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like technological happenings that were
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off the timeline I feel like the
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progress of technology is is very
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ordered and one thing very naturally
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comes after the next but that maybe we
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had this moment where there was a like a
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push that was ahead of its time
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which is then why we didn't have much
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progress for a long time but that makes
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it super interesting that there were
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other things happening in the world that
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forced this early expansion of a thing
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that really shouldn't have happened for
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another 60 years so like that is very
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interesting but I think you're right
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maybe a lot of the stuff right now it
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doesn't capture my attention because it
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is mostly about dropping the costs to
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the point at which it's economical to do
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and then maybe my interest will uptick
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once it gets out of the we're dropping
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the cost phase and it's like okay I
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think I'll be excited once we start
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actually moving cargo in and out of
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space or like when we actually start
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mining asteroids like Jeff Bezos his
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rifle company is trying to do like I
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think that's maybe where I'll be
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interested again but I still feel like
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I'm at a real lull for interest in
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what's going on in space like we're
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going through a necessary process but
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it's not exciting to me yet until we
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start doing like new things again yeah I
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think I get a little bit demotivated
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when I think people are doing things
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just for the money and I feel like it's
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an inevitable consequence of private
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funded space travel and exploration that
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it has to be done for the money
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otherwise it won't happen so I'm not
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saying like Elon Musk only cares about
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money right but I am saying they are
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making sure everything they do will make
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money and that's when it becomes a bit
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demotivating even when they start you
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know doing lots more cargo or when they
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start mining stuff I don't care about
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the mining asteroids because it's
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profitable I'm really curious to see
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what it's like on an asteroid mm-hmm
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like that's gonna be cool but when it's
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about money I straightaway go I love
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when things are being done just for the
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accomplishment for the glory of it glory
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I care you glory too I understand that
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feeling I think that my feeling is a
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little bit different in that I think
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with stuff like this in my mind when I
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think about mining asteroids I think
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it's not like wow Bezos or musk are
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gonna make a fortune on the
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asteroids right isn't that exciting I
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think I'm much more interested because
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it's like the money is an indication
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that something is useful now it's not
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just a stunt it means like if a thing
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can be done for profit it means there is
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some intrinsic utility in the thing for
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someone somewhere like that's where it
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starts becoming interesting again like
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like once the economics of asteroid
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mining become viable it means that
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whatever it is that's happening is
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useful and relevant to people in some
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way but it feels like we're not there
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yet and who knows how long it will take
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to actually get there this this is also
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the kind of thing I feel like I have no
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idea or mental estimate of like what is
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the timeline of how long is it going to
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take before the very first roll of
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copper is ever pulled in from from an
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asteroid like I have no idea is that ten
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years is it 50 years is it a hundred
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years away like I don't have any concept
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of what people are thinking about in
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that domain I get a and I get why that
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is of interest to you and it certainly
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is important to lots of people and it's
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inevitable that that's the way things
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would end up but I feel sad that that is
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actually become so important to everyone
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like that's what's reigned in NASA isn't
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it means that saying you know how is
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what you're doing actually useful to
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humans not another space probe into the
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outer solar system like do something
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useful there's this that all this
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pressure to do something useful
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there was nothing useful about going to
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the moon oh there was something useful
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it was proven those Russkies that we
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were better I'm gonna directly argue
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that that was actually tremendously
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useful and that's why it was a bit of a
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like an artificial technological leap we
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gotta prove to somebody that we're way
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better than them like watch out Russians
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America rules yep but America didn't
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prove its might by finding a cheaper way
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to refine copper ore didn't move its
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might by increasing its gross domestic
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product by fifteen percent and used that
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as a way of saying see Russia we are
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mighty what they did was something
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audacious with no seeming economic value
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so even though there was the political
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utility of it at the time the thing they
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realized they had to do
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- really well the world and prove their
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amazingness wasn't economic news outside
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Elon Musk has released this image of
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their space suit I was just curious what
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you thought of it I thought like it's
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obviously a very glossy PR picture
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mm-hmm designed to impress but it's the
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first look at a private space suit I
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wonder what you thought of it I think it
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looks sleek it looks very 2001 there
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isn't much to comment on it except there
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is something that endlessly tickles me
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about the Guardian has an article in
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which they referenced that quote chief
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executive Elon Musk revealed the suit on
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Instagram on Wednesday right like
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there's something about that that I just
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I find really funny that we live in this
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world where the CEOs of major companies
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or even big notable politicians like
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they announced stuff on like Twitter and
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Instagram and I just wait for the day
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when someone really important announces
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the thing on reddit and then newspapers
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have to reveal that cyber monkey 47
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revealed his future plans about this you
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know enormous company that he runs on
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his reddit I guess it is only a matter
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of time before some kid who's had a
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social media account forever with the
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dumb name who just wants to keep keeping
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it becomes a CEO of an important company
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and then all of his announcements are on
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this social media with this with his old
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handle right that he made up when he was
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13 like I just it tickles me to think
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that that's going to happen eventually
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or like I look forward to like a
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president declaring war on snapchat the
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yeah where am i Brady right now I
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actually don't know where you are I'm
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assuming you're in England but seriously
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you never tell me I actually at one
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point thought you'd gone to America for
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the Eclipse and hadn't told me
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maybe I have no a student know that you
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didn't it is actually true that I have
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of Tim's we are not in America recording
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while the Eclipse is occurring on a
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podcast many many moons ago Oh clever it
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was speculated whether or not we were
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going to be in America for the Eclipse
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whether or not the podcast was going to
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still be in existence at the time that
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the Eclipse occurred and the podcasts
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still exists but we did not make it to
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America at this summer sorry everybody
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for two minutes I was jealous of all my
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American friends but for the 48 hours
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either side of those two minutes I was
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feeling very very happy to not be in
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airports and on planes yeah I think that
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is definitely the case where both of us
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we've ended up with a summer with lots
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of travel and it was just it was very
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difficult to try to coordinate
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I had the longest traveling I ever had
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this summer which was then followed by a
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very short break being back in England
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and then a big anniversary trip and it's
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just like the summer was just a big big
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traveling summer and it just really
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wasn't it wasn't going to work out going
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to America so I have said before saying
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a total solar eclipse is an amazing
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thing I did see one in China and it
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remains one of the most extraordinary
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things I've seen so I think everyone who
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was lucky enough to see in the United
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States is very fortunate and I hope they
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enjoyed it but the cheer pressure got a
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little bit crazy at some points on
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Twitter and like I braved it
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occasionally with a little bit of
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mocking the America centric nosov it
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took even my breath away like someone
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needs to get over there and tell
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Americans that eclipses like happen
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elsewhere like seriously it was crazy
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that how America centric it was but ok
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ok my fault for following so many
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Americans on Twitter but CNN did my head
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in most of all constantly referring to
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this as the eclipse of the century by
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area this is the eclipse of the century
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I have not been able to establish I
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can't even make one up is it the only
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Eclipse this century Brady no is it the
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only eclipse in America this century no
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okay is it the biggest eclipse no is
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it's not the longest of the personal
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wall is the glyph it's not the smallest
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it's nothing I couldn't find a single
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criteria by which this was the eclipse
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of the century other than it was
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happening right now in America is that
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the eclipse of the century that has been
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most often referred to as the eclipse of
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the century perhaps that is the metric
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by which they are measuring and it will
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remain so until the next solar eclipse
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in the United States but there are some
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people saying oh there's some
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coast-to-coast criteria but eclipses
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have gone across like other countries
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like if you are not being America
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centric there is no way you could call
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it the eclipse of the century
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and even if you are being America
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centric they have a better Eclipse this
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century admittedly not for a long time
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when is the better Eclipse oh it's like
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right at the end of the century okay
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well promise right now if the podcast is
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still running it will be there for the
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second Eclipse of the century we missed
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the first one but we'll catch the second
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one in America I started looking up
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other eclipses to find out what really
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is the eclipse of the century I decided
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I wanted to figure out what would be the
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eclipse of the century I didn't really
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decide on one there was a quite a good
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one in Antarctica that goes the opposite
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way to normal but what I then started
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looking at was what I just the best
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eclipses full-stop
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and there's actually a Wikipedia page
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you can go to because you know how they
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know every Eclipse forever so they know
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when they're gonna happen in that and
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you can look up all these amazing things
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like eclipses that coincide with
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transits of Venus and things like that
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like all these amazing alignments that
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happen in space and there was one I
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think in like 20,000 years or something
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where a total solar eclipse coincides
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with a transit of Venus and things like
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that so I was reading about that stuff
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right and that stuff is so far in the
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future it starts to make you feel a
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little bit insignificant
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and then I saw an image taken from space
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of the Eclipse that just happened and it
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was like a time-lapse showing the moon's
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shadow sweep across the earth and when
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you saw it in time-lapse and you
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realized all that eclipses is like a
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shadow fleetingly crossing another
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object part of me looked at that imagery
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and thought that's amazing like that's
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really amazing to see it's amazing that
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we can do that that we can look at the
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moon shadow from space aren't we amazing
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but another part of me thought like that
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was just a shadow briefly touching
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another object in space it happens all
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it will happen for hundreds of thousands
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of more years it happens all across the
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universe all the time
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and yet we humans down here are getting
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so excited and calling it the eclipse of
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the century and like our planets
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grinding to a halt so we can watch it
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and it made me suddenly think that
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humans like really fleeting and pathetic
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few things first I need you to send me
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the link to this list of eclipses
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because I can I searched for Wikipedia
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eclipse the top result was Twilight Saga
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: Eclipse so I am NOT able to find this
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list that you're talking about put list
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of future astronomical events okay this
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is Wikipedia article is very interesting
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but it is not what I think we're really
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looking for here list of future
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astronomical events yeah and if you
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scroll down to things that are happening
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like you know in the year 20,000 346
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turbine becomes the North Star and
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things like that okay right so I'm
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looking at list of future astronomical
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events I enjoy this breakdown we have
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the 21st century including things like
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Halley's comet reaches perihelion as it
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returns to the inner solar system
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there's Venus occults Jupiter I don't
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actually know what the word cult's means
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in this context it's kind of like an
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eclipse but the other way it's like two
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things crossing over each other in the
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night sky okay so what was that one
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Venus occult Venus is called Jupiter so
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that would look like Venus was crossing
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in front of Jupiter from our perspective
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okay so there's a few things that are
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listed here in the 21st century the next
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category is 22nd to 30th century no
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the near Star Trek future I imagine they
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then goes to the 4th to 10th millennium
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but I really enjoy that after the 10th
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of millennium they simply call it the
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far future right I feel like 4th to 10th
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millennium I think you can categorize it
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as the far future I like that they like
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Nana now after 10th millennium far
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future is what we need to talk about
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some of these are awesome that and it
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makes me sad that I won't be here like
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in the year 38,000 172 if you're on the
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surface of Neptune
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you can watch Uranus transit across the
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front of the Sun the rarest of all
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planetary transits Oh wouldn't that be
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amazing or if you were around here on
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earth in the year 67,000 173 Mercury and
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Venus crossed the ecliptic at the same
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time but then a mere two thousand years
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later you can watch something I would
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love to see a simultaneous transit of
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Venus and Mercury both crossing the
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Sun's face at the same time personally I
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like Wikipedia for some of its its
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little human elements here that in the
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year 4000 772 on October 13th the Mayan
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calendar will require a sixth digit I
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like to imagine that on October 12 of
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that year there are once again people
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freaking out about the inevitable end of
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the earth at that point like oh the
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Mayan calendar hopefully has five digits
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that's referred to as the Mayan bug I
00:41:00
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really like the idea of that that people
00:41:03
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will just have totally forgotten all of
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the history up until now that go now
00:41:05
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Mayan calendar again it's coming up to
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another digit the minds didn't see this
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far in advance and in America it would
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still be eclipses of the century that
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time there's an eclipse that's going to
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happen here it's it's an interesting
00:41:17
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list yes you these things I enjoy the
00:41:19
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idea of physicists calculating and
00:41:21
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finding these things are simulating
00:41:23
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these things on a computer however it is
00:41:24
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they they come across these events this
00:41:26
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is also for me as a former physics major
00:41:29
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it's the pleasing nature of being able
00:41:32
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to do calculations that are so many
00:41:34
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times in physics you're doing a
00:41:35
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calculation and say these things like oh
00:41:37
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well we're just gonna have to ignore
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friction and air resistance for this
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physics problem but when you're dealing
00:41:43
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with very massive bodies in space
00:41:47
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in the vacuum of space you can say yeah
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we can actually calculate what's going
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to happen in the year 7,000 right
00:41:54
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because we can't ignore friction because
00:41:55
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there isn't any friction like it's
00:41:57
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trivial in this case so I love the idea
00:41:59
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that you can just calculate that stuff
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so far out in advance apparently there
00:42:02
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is a point though where even like solar
00:42:04
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system predictions become chaotic there
00:42:06
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has to be because you have to flag solar
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wind and the vacuum of space is not a
00:42:10
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pure vacuum there has to be some point
00:42:13
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at which that is but like how close is
00:42:14
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that to the actual heat death of the
00:42:16
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universe I would love to know somebody
00:42:17
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knows yeah like where does it start
00:42:19
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becoming chaotic in those predictions
00:42:22
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long after you and I are in the ground
00:42:25
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that's for sure but all of this all of
00:42:28
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this aside the thing I kept thinking
00:42:29
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about with this eclipse coming up in
00:42:31
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America and of course as having made
00:42:34
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reference to eight years ago I feel like
00:42:36
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someone has been turning up the volume
00:42:38
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in the background of my life for the
00:42:40
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past three months about how often I hear
00:42:42
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about this eclipse like on Twitter and
00:42:44
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references to the rest of it and as it
00:42:47
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kept getting closer and as I was
00:42:48
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thinking more and more about eclipses
00:42:49
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and seeing what equipment you need to
00:42:54
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view the Eclipse and where you need to
00:42:55
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be I have to say I feel like this this
00:42:57
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took all of the shine off of eclipses in
00:43:01
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my mind because like you when you were
00:43:04
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talking about oh it's a shadow crossing
00:43:06
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in front of an object I feel like I have
00:43:07
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crossed some kind of mental barrier
00:43:09
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where I don't even understand why this
00:43:12
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is anything other than just a thing of
00:43:16
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mild interests I don't know I feel like
00:43:18
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I can't understand anymore how it is
00:43:20
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that people are interpreting me eclipse
00:43:22
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it's like okay so your subjective
00:43:23
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experience is you're outside it goes
00:43:26
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dark for a few moments and then it's
00:43:28
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light again in the middle of the day
00:43:29
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that's not what the Eclipse experience
00:43:32
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is though like that's that's not what
00:43:33
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happens okay why is it so breathtaking
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it is a very beautiful thing it's rare
00:43:39
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right let's ignore like the historical
00:43:42
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significance of the human-like
00:43:44
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relationship with eclipses because you
00:43:46
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can easily dismiss that as old
00:43:48
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superstition right so let's just talk
00:43:50
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about that as just a thing of beauty it
00:43:52
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is a very beautiful thing okay it's also
00:43:55
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like just something so far from what
00:43:57
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you're used to seeing like watching the
00:43:59
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Sun which you've seen like
00:44:01
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every day of your life in the sky
00:44:02
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suddenly being like eaten away like
00:44:05
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pac-man is like it's just very strange
00:44:08
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to look up and think that's like a
00:44:10
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really strange thing to see
00:44:11
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like if something extraordinary is in
00:44:13
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the sky and then for the two minutes of
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totality not only is it strange to have
00:44:18
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like Knight thrust upon you so quickly
00:44:21
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there is like an eeriness to it because
00:44:23
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everything else is like de still so like
00:44:26
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the birds are all out and animals are
00:44:28
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around and suddenly they're quite
00:44:29
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confused so some interesting things
00:44:31
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happen but the most important thing is
00:44:33
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it just looks really beautiful the way
00:44:35
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you see the corona and look at the
00:44:38
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diamond ring phenomena and the
00:44:40
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glistening around the edge of the Sun
00:44:42
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this black disc in the sky with the
00:44:43
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light around it but the other thing
00:44:45
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that's seeing a total eclipse in real
00:44:47
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life impressed upon me that is never
00:44:50
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conveyed in photos this is what I'm
00:44:52
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wondering like what is the in presence
00:44:53
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experience yeah there is something
00:44:55
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that's not conveyed in photos and this
00:44:56
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will sound silly because I know how far
00:44:58
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away all these objects are right but
00:45:01
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there is like a kind of three
00:45:03
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dimensionality to it that's hard to
00:45:05
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explain it doesn't just look like a flat
00:45:07
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photo or a video it feels more
00:45:09
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three-dimensional and almost feels like
00:45:11
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you could reach out and touch it it's
00:45:13
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got this really weird quality to it and
00:45:15
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I was talking to a very good friend
00:45:17
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Destin beforehand who did watch the
00:45:19
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Eclipse I would have been severely
00:45:20
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disappointed if Destin had not seen the
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Eclipse and who also I must say did
00:45:24
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invite me to go and watch it with him
00:45:25
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and tried to accommodate me so he was
00:45:27
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very kind but I couldn't make it and he
00:45:29
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also took an incredible photo of the
00:45:32
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International Space Station transiting
00:45:34
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the Sun partway through the Eclipse so
00:45:37
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make sure you go and check that out and
00:45:38
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whatever other videos Destin has
00:45:40
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produced about it because I'm sure
00:45:41
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they'll be brilliant although I have not
00:45:42
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yet seen them but when I was talking to
00:45:44
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Destin beforehand I said to him whatever
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you do like make sure you put your
00:45:48
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camera down at some point and look at it
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because there's something about seeing
00:45:52
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it that no photo will convey and you
00:45:54
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should just stop and look at it for a
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►
minute because that's the best thing
00:45:57
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about it and afterwards like he said I
00:46:01
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even stopped taking photos I almost
00:46:03
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forgot to take photos because looking at
00:46:05
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it was what it was all about and he
00:46:06
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couldn't have agreed more hmmm as I said
00:46:09
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do you agree like no photo can explain
00:46:10
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what that looks like and he said 100%
00:46:12
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great hmm maybe you're talking me back
00:46:14
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into it braiding you should definitely
00:46:16
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watch one at some point they are lovely
00:46:18
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to watch I feel like your poetic words
00:46:20
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are unwinding something about my
00:46:23
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experience of seeing photographs on
00:46:25
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Twitter of people holding paper plates
00:46:27
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in front of their face this one for me
00:46:29
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in a way was a bit ruined by the hype
00:46:31
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mm-hmm like I'd rather go and watch one
00:46:34
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in Antarctica or like in some obscure
00:46:37
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place where it's a bit it feels a little
00:46:40
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►
bit more I don't want to sound like
00:46:42
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really like like a personal experience
00:46:44
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you want to pry yeah I don't want to
00:46:46
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like say like more at one with a nature
00:46:47
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or something like that where I'm gonna
00:46:49
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embarrass myself but where it doesn't
00:46:50
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feel like it's just something for CNN to
00:46:52
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put another counter on the screen for
00:46:54
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right it's inevitable when something
00:46:55
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happens in America it's gonna get like
00:46:58
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hyped to death
00:46:59
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like whenever the Olympics are in
00:47:00
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America they're never as good because
00:47:02
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the Olympics are like this exotic
00:47:03
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sporting event when I was growing up the
00:47:05
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Olympics of this amazing thing in
00:47:07
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countries you could never dream of
00:47:08
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visiting and you can't even say their
00:47:10
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names properly and then whenever the
00:47:12
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Olympics goes to America it's just like
00:47:14
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their Super Bowl you know the Super Bowl
00:47:18
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of athletics comes a bit rubbish because
00:47:20
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as much as I love America and Americans
00:47:23
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they kind of you know they have this way
00:47:26
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about things they have this way about
00:47:29
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them right that's probably the best way
00:47:30
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to say it Brady so they even turned the
00:47:33
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Eclipse into like the Super Bowl of
00:47:35
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astronomy it had to be the eclipse of
00:47:38
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the century this is the world champion
00:47:40
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of eclipses it's like it's you know it's
00:47:43
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just it's a it's an eclipse I know you
00:47:45
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haven't heard one for a while and you're
00:47:46
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right to want to go out and watch it but
00:47:48
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yeah calm down calm down I'm feeling
00:47:52
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like the inevitable name of this podcast
00:47:53
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should be eclipse of the century perhaps
00:47:56
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that's a bit too mean like that's gonna
00:47:59
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set terrible expectations for the
00:48:01
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listeners if they see eclipses of the
00:48:03
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►
century are you telling me that the Nile
00:48:05
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and gay flag has been sent into space
00:48:08
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and you're gonna make this podcast name
00:48:10
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about the eclipse you know what it is
00:48:12
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it's the podcast of the century that's
00:48:14
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what it is I think you've called it
00:48:16
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because us sending that flag into space
00:48:18
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was pretty amazing and there's more good
00:48:20
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stuff to come podcast of the century it
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is there we go then
00:48:25
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by the way I just wanted to bring up a
00:48:27
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little quick thing we talked in the last
00:48:29
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episode about positioning your icons on
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your iPhone because I've now got this
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massive screen where the plus the plus
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screen yet so I was talking to my wife
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about and I saying how I'm gonna move
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Twitter and all my regularly used icons
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down lower so I can get to them more
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easily and I said you know and then you
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know our muscle memory where they are
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eventually and everything will be back
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to normal and she told me something she
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does that I didn't know she did and is
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really interesting and I thought you
00:48:54
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would find interesting and that is every
00:48:57
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few days or so she moves her icons for
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things she gets a little bit addicted to
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like Twitter and Instagram so they're
00:49:04
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not always in the same place so she
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doesn't get that muscle memory so she
00:49:08
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actually thinks about it like do I
00:49:09
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really want to open Twitter yet again do
00:49:11
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I really want to browse Instagram like
00:49:14
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to actually put a barrier to finding it
00:49:16
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to stop her opening it all the time out
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of force of habit and I found that I
00:49:19
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didn't know she did it and I found it
00:49:21
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fascinating and I thought it was a
00:49:22
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really clever idea that is a really
00:49:24
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great idea yeah it's a really
00:49:25
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interesting idea because I mean you know
00:49:27
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my attack to this is to take everything
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off my phone except the absolute bare
00:49:33
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minimum of what I need probably I think
00:49:36
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you would say definitely to a level at
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which it inconveniences the other people
00:49:40
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who have to interact with me yes yes
00:49:43
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from Brady there without a doubt because
00:49:45
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I make my phone as inert an object as
00:49:49
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possible that does his few functions
00:49:50
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it's possible right that shall we say is
00:49:54
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not a strategy for everyone that's like
00:49:56
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that's one step away from cutting off
00:49:57
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your fingers to stop yourself using a
00:49:59
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pepper what I feel is is the inevitable
00:50:02
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is it's like this is how it starts and
00:50:04
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it ends in a cabin in the woods with no
00:50:06
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Wi-Fi right like that's we all know
00:50:08
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that's where this is this is inevitably
00:50:10
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going but so I actually think this is
00:50:13
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this is a kind of brilliant strategy for
00:50:17
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a much less extreme take on it like you
00:50:20
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still want to have these things on your
00:50:23
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phone because they're useful and because
00:50:24
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you like them and because they bring
00:50:26
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entertainment into your life but it is
00:50:29
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so easy to mindlessly just go to them
00:50:34
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and to not really to have that like
00:50:36
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lizard part of your brain way
00:50:38
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up and think what's on Twitter and it
00:50:39
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just goes and it looks and you don't
00:50:40
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quite consciously realize what's
00:50:42
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happening like that's a really great
00:50:44
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strategy and I think that's a really
00:50:46
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great option for you want to stay
00:50:49
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connected to the world like a normal
00:50:51
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person but still break that automatic
00:50:55
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reflex that you get over time and let's
00:50:58
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be honest is also a thing that many of
00:51:00
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these companies who want you to have
00:51:02
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their apps on your phone like they
00:51:04
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intentionally try to get you
00:51:07
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Skinner boxed into that habit of just
00:51:10
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opening kind of thoughtlessly so you you
00:51:12
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are you do have a bit of an antagonist
00:51:14
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in the form of some of those apps I
00:51:16
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think that's a really great idea is it a
00:51:17
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strategy that you're going to adopt I
00:51:19
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don't know yeah I don't know I'm a bit
00:51:21
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of a mess with my phone at the moment
00:51:22
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like I've repositioned the icons and I'm
00:51:24
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not happy and I'm not happy with my
00:51:26
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phone life at the moment and I don't
00:51:29
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want to share it up because I think it's
00:51:31
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a bit of a boring thing to talk about
00:51:32
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repeatedly I've just I haven't found a
00:51:34
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happy place with my new phone and my
00:51:36
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icon positioning and you think this is a
00:51:38
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►
boring topic I'll tell you no no
00:51:41
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actually like for me I kind of think it
00:51:44
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►
is a bit of a boring topic but for some
00:51:47
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►
reason it's it's a topic that lots of
00:51:48
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people can't move away from people love
00:51:50
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this topic in a way that I find is
00:51:53
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►
weirdly intense and obsessive but I am
00:51:55
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►
with you 100% about this again simply
00:51:58
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►
because I'm running the beta on my phone
00:51:59
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►
so it changed a bunch of things about
00:52:01
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►
how and where different apps need to be
00:52:04
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►
but I'm with you like I am it I'm at a
00:52:06
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place where I feel veryuncertain with
00:52:08
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►
where different apps go and how
00:52:10
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►
everything is going to be arranged you
00:52:11
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►
know you know how when your house isn't
00:52:12
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quite right like you haven't unpacked
00:52:14
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►
boxes or a room is messy and stuff and
00:52:16
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like you've got other things to do but
00:52:18
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►
just knowing that room is messy is
00:52:20
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►
messing your mind I'm having that about
00:52:22
◼
►
my phone at the moment every time I
00:52:23
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►
think about my phone I just feel this
00:52:25
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►
like I'm really unhappy because I know
00:52:26
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►
it's it's not serving me well and the
00:52:29
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►
screens too big I may have made a
00:52:31
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►
I don't know the screen is definitely
00:52:33
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►
too big like this is an example of with
00:52:35
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►
a screen being too big causing me a
00:52:36
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►
problem right mm-hmm
00:52:38
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►
when you make a snapchat video like you
00:52:41
◼
►
hold down the button to make the video
00:52:44
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►
and to release the button like on screen
00:52:47
◼
►
the on screen video button like
00:52:49
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►
to take your thumb off ur involves
00:52:51
◼
►
having to change your grip on the phone
00:52:53
◼
►
because your thumb holding the video
00:52:54
◼
►
button is part of your grip on the phone
00:52:56
◼
►
so when you lift that thumb off the
00:52:59
◼
►
screen and you're using one hand right
00:53:02
◼
►
you no longer have the same grip on the
00:53:04
◼
►
phone so the phone kind of drops and
00:53:06
◼
►
slips and moves and that is the last
00:53:08
◼
►
half a second of your snapchat video
00:53:10
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►
which you then can't edit because you
00:53:11
◼
►
can't add up snapchat videos now so
00:53:13
◼
►
every snapchat video I make ends with
00:53:15
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►
the camera - suddenly jerking for half a
00:53:18
◼
►
second as I lift my thumb off the video
00:53:20
◼
►
right it's just little things like that
00:53:22
◼
►
it's annoying and these devices are with
00:53:23
◼
►
us all the time and it's like a thing
00:53:26
◼
►
that you have to deal with with all day
00:53:27
◼
►
long I'm with you 100% to better that
00:53:29
◼
►
it's it's like having part of your house
00:53:31
◼
►
not in order
00:53:32
◼
►
yeah it's worse than that because it's a
00:53:34
◼
►
thing that you end up opening and
00:53:35
◼
►
looking at so many times I should have
00:53:38
◼
►
stuck with the small phone because the
00:53:39
◼
►
other thing I thought would happen in my
00:53:40
◼
►
head I thought having this big phone
00:53:42
◼
►
would give me a battery that would last
00:53:44
◼
►
for weeks I think I fell into the hype
00:53:46
◼
►
that you get better battery life hmm so
00:53:48
◼
►
still when I look down at my battery and
00:53:49
◼
►
yet again I'm in the red I'm like what I
00:53:52
◼
►
thought I've got this big ginormous
00:53:53
◼
►
phone I'd have more battery life and
00:53:55
◼
►
still my batteries always buddy empty
00:53:57
◼
►
God's sake I thought at least I was
00:54:00
◼
►
buying more battery life ya know you're
00:54:02
◼
►
never winning this race it's absolutely
00:54:04
◼
►
frustrating gray I'm calling it yeah end
00:54:07
◼
►
of phone conversation done if this is
00:54:08
◼
►
gonna be the podcast of the century we
00:54:10
◼
►
can't have this much phone talk in it so
00:54:13
◼
►
gray I think it's fitting that you
00:54:15
◼
►
decided to call this episode podcast of
00:54:17
◼
►
the century mm-hmm because I have
00:54:19
◼
►
launched a new podcast I thought maybe
00:54:25
◼
►
you were paying me in an immense
00:54:26
◼
►
compliment I swear I didn't set that up
00:54:31
◼
►
that was entirely your idea to call it
00:54:32
◼
►
podcast and century you did not set that
00:54:34
◼
►
up that was redoing that yeah so you
00:54:36
◼
►
have started you've launched a new
00:54:39
◼
►
podcast Brady and yep if I may say so my
00:54:42
◼
►
own personal experience of this is it's
00:54:44
◼
►
about time I feel like ever since we did
00:54:48
◼
►
the first 10 episodes and then hello
00:54:51
◼
►
internet has continued on since then I
00:54:54
◼
►
have been waiting it felt just so so
00:54:57
◼
►
inevitable that you would launch a
00:55:00
◼
►
podcast at some point and I would
00:55:02
◼
►
mention this to you
00:55:03
◼
►
over the years and you would say no no
00:55:06
◼
►
I'm too busy I can't possibly do a
00:55:08
◼
►
podcast I would say that's okay I'll
00:55:10
◼
►
just wait I'll wait for the day that
00:55:12
◼
►
inevitably occurs
00:55:14
◼
►
well now it's here it's finally here
00:55:15
◼
►
Brady it is here and I have to say of
00:55:17
◼
►
all the people who have been encouraging
00:55:20
◼
►
bordering on pressuring me to do it gray
00:55:23
◼
►
has been top of the list it's something
00:55:25
◼
►
you've really been encouraging me to do
00:55:26
◼
►
for a long time oh yeah so if you think
00:55:28
◼
►
that like I've sticked off behind Gray's
00:55:30
◼
►
back you couldn't be further from the
00:55:31
◼
►
truth he's forever telling me he thought
00:55:33
◼
►
it was something I should do and has
00:55:35
◼
►
been very encouraging and helpful so
00:55:36
◼
►
Brady do you want to pitch the people on
00:55:38
◼
►
what your podcast is about well before I
00:55:40
◼
►
tell you tell you about and the name of
00:55:42
◼
►
it I have to quickly tell you about my
00:55:44
◼
►
co-host or vice host yeah what's his
00:55:47
◼
►
name his name is Tim no and it's not a
00:55:50
◼
►
joke it's not a joke as his real name
00:55:52
◼
►
he's one of my best friends and has been
00:55:54
◼
►
for a very long time he lives in
00:55:55
◼
►
Australia and his real name is Tim so
00:55:58
◼
►
while this podcast has no you know links
00:56:02
◼
►
with hello Internet it's just it's just
00:56:03
◼
►
a separate thing that I'm doing
00:56:05
◼
►
occasionally in my spare time the
00:56:07
◼
►
co-host is code Tim and this has caused
00:56:09
◼
►
much amusement so there you go you can
00:56:12
◼
►
make what you will of that it's a
00:56:14
◼
►
podcast I'm doing with my friend Tim and
00:56:16
◼
►
the name of it is the unmade podcast and
00:56:22
◼
►
the pitch of it is so far you never know
00:56:25
◼
►
what direction of podcast is gonna end
00:56:27
◼
►
up going no but so far the idea is in
00:56:29
◼
►
each episode we discuss ideas for
00:56:33
◼
►
podcasts that would be fun to make and
00:56:35
◼
►
then we talk about each other's ideas
00:56:36
◼
►
and whether we think they're good ideas
00:56:38
◼
►
or bad ideas and it's supposed to be
00:56:39
◼
►
funny so sometimes it's a serious idea
00:56:42
◼
►
more often than not there's silly ideas
00:56:44
◼
►
and we each pitch two ideas to each
00:56:46
◼
►
other per episode and then we just chat
00:56:48
◼
►
about them and joke around and see where
00:56:51
◼
►
the conversation goes and it's been
00:56:53
◼
►
quite good fun to make so unmade podcast
00:56:55
◼
►
because their podcasts that will
00:56:57
◼
►
probably always be unmade it's a tea is
00:57:00
◼
►
Brady it's an eternal teas for these
00:57:02
◼
►
podcasts that people are going to want
00:57:03
◼
►
can I do a little bit of a spoiler for
00:57:05
◼
►
the first episode just related to this
00:57:07
◼
►
you can the first episode came out
00:57:09
◼
►
before we're recording so hopefully some
00:57:12
◼
►
people have actually listened to it yeah
00:57:13
◼
►
but yesterday day before yesterday when
00:57:16
◼
►
ya recording timeline here hmm so I've
00:57:18
◼
►
listened to the first episode and the
00:57:20
◼
►
t's think about I actually got a preview
00:57:21
◼
►
I got to hurt here in early and early
00:57:23
◼
►
cut you did you had exclusive first
00:57:26
◼
►
listen I felt very privileged with that
00:57:27
◼
►
you actually listened to it before it
00:57:29
◼
►
was properly cut down to size they say
00:57:31
◼
►
you heard it when it was still a little
00:57:32
◼
►
bit ugly but that's okay I didn't think
00:57:35
◼
►
no but there's a funny thing here so the
00:57:37
◼
►
segment that you have at the very end is
00:57:39
◼
►
where your co-host suggests the idea of
00:57:42
◼
►
a Groundhog Day podcast in which you
00:57:44
◼
►
were going to discuss Groundhog Day
00:57:46
◼
►
every day mm-hmm and and I told you at
00:57:51
◼
►
the time that's a hilarious topic
00:57:53
◼
►
because it's not viously such a terrible
00:57:55
◼
►
mm-hmm but I have to listen to that show
00:57:57
◼
►
it's one of these things like that idea
00:57:58
◼
►
keeps haunting me I keep thinking about
00:58:01
◼
►
the Groundhog Day podcast and I feel
00:58:04
◼
►
like there is nothing more that I want
00:58:06
◼
►
than to hear you do a Groundhog Day Park
00:58:09
◼
►
like I can't let this idea go yeah and I
00:58:12
◼
►
feel like this is what the podcast maybe
00:58:14
◼
►
is just getting teased about shows that
00:58:19
◼
►
are not going to be made because it
00:58:21
◼
►
would be crazy for you to make the
00:58:22
◼
►
Groundhog Day podcast yeah but I I
00:58:24
◼
►
cannot let it go I keep coming back to
00:58:26
◼
►
this idea of every day you're doing a
00:58:28
◼
►
podcast about the movie Groundhog Day
00:58:30
◼
►
it's fantastic say another idea that
00:58:34
◼
►
came up in that first episode was one
00:58:37
◼
►
that I suggested called I called a
00:58:38
◼
►
podcast ology and every episode you
00:58:40
◼
►
discuss a different ology so it could be
00:58:42
◼
►
biology or proctology or entomology and
00:58:46
◼
►
that sort of thing and it was more of a
00:58:48
◼
►
serious idea we joked around about it
00:58:49
◼
►
was a serious idea and seriously the
00:58:51
◼
►
number of people who've contacted me
00:58:53
◼
►
saying like yeah we like the unmade
00:58:55
◼
►
podcast ready but whatever you do you
00:58:57
◼
►
have to start that ology one that's one
00:58:59
◼
►
we really want to hear so I think you're
00:59:01
◼
►
right I think like as we throw these
00:59:03
◼
►
ideas around we're gonna get a lot of
00:59:05
◼
►
people saying that's actually probably a
00:59:07
◼
►
podcast you should make which is like
00:59:09
◼
►
maybe it's nice that they think that I
00:59:10
◼
►
have to say though like to be a bit
00:59:12
◼
►
better about it
00:59:13
◼
►
mmm obviously I think about the episodes
00:59:16
◼
►
beforehand and think I'll what ideas am
00:59:17
◼
►
I gonna have and I always try I want
00:59:19
◼
►
them to be funny so I always come up
00:59:20
◼
►
with some ridiculous stupid idea that
00:59:22
◼
►
could never be a podcast and I just sit
00:59:24
◼
►
around thinking about it and within an
00:59:27
◼
►
I've reshaped it in my head and tweaked
00:59:29
◼
►
it and thought about to a point where I
00:59:30
◼
►
think you know what this actually would
00:59:32
◼
►
be a really good podcast and no matter
00:59:34
◼
►
how stupid the idea is I always end up
00:59:37
◼
►
thinking that is stupid but that should
00:59:39
◼
►
probably get made I'd be pretty good you
00:59:40
◼
►
know I just I'm just realizing now
00:59:43
◼
►
somehow this had not occurred to me
00:59:44
◼
►
before this very moment but it somehow
00:59:46
◼
►
seems inevitable that the person who has
00:59:48
◼
►
so many projects that he runs would end
00:59:52
◼
►
up doing a podcast about an infinite
00:59:56
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►
possibility of potential projects that's
00:59:58
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►
what happened great when when to
00:59:58
◼
►
what happened great when when to
01:00:00
◼
►
when I were discussing what are we going
01:00:01
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►
to do a podcast about we had three or
01:00:03
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four ideas and we kept changing the idea
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because each day we thought we had a
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better idea and it got to a point where
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I was saying you know all these ideas
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are so interesting that we're talking
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about why don't we just make the podcast
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about all the ideas we're having for a
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podcast so that's what we're doing I
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have had a couple of little observations
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I wanted to share though there's
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something I wanted to say about it
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because hello Internet you run the show
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on hello Internet and you do all the
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behind-the-scenes stuff and run all the
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technical stuff and I've actually always
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been quite oblivious to it so I've had
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to learn how to do all that stuff cuz
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I'm running this new one and it has made
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me realize a few things and it has made
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me feel like I need to make like a small
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apology to you because like to make the
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apology I will first have to admit to a
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slightly uncharitable thought I had
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about you mmm-hmm and that was before we
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started like working together properly
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and we were just friends and I watched
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your videos I always thought that you
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were this really like accurate
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meticulous guy because your videos are
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all about you know really good accurate
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explaining things that are researched
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and the videos are all so well prepared
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and well executed so I had this image of
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you okay and that's where this apology
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is going okay well when we started
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working together more and I started
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having more communication with you but
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also you started doing like hello
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internet stuff I would like occasionally
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find little things like a little typo or
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something that I thought was a little
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bit sloppy like a space missing or there
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should be a you know just little tiny
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things that I had little details that I
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thought weren't perfect mm-hmm and I
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thought you know you know fair enough
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that's okay I've now realized that when
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you are doing a podcast and you were
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doing all this stuff behind the scenes
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on hello Internet it is such a Fafi job
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mm-hmm there are so many different
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little things to do there are so many
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bowls to keep in the air at once so many
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little fields and things you have to
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fill out and bits and pieces to do that
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those little mistakes that I thought you
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were making because you just weren't
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paying attention to detail that was not
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the case at all there's just too much to
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do and like it just gets away from you
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all this stuff really quickly like I'm
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sure it will become more routine in time
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but at the moment I'm finding
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all the stuff you do on the technical
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side of a podcast is really like I feel
01:02:16
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like a duck really paddling really fast
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underwater so all those times when
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you've made a little mistake here or
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there in a webpage and I was texting you
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saying gray I think you need to fix this
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on that webpage because it doesn't look
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absolutely perfect I take all that back
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I now realize what you were doing and
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you did a very good job so apologies for
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those thoughts
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thank you I accept your apology for your
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silent thoughts all right but now you do
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see why I made originally like a hundred
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point here's all the switches you need
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to flip and all those things that you
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need to do it is you use the right word
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it is a remarkably Fafi job with just a
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like a whole bunch of picky little
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things that are really easy to forget
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when you're launching a podcast so now
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that you are at the helm of your other
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show this burden of responsibility falls
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on you as the captain of that show a
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couple more little observations one is
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just and this is something that's true
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for any project but I've just been
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reminded of it because I haven't started
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like a new project since objectivity
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how long has objectivity been running
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now well over two years somehow that
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makes me feel really old and it's
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reminded me how all-consuming and what a
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narcotic it can be tada
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do like something new hmm like because
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the unmade podcast is like it's taken us
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seriously I'm not joking here it's taken
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us a year to record a few episodes
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because we're both so busy so I'm not
01:03:35
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sure what the future of this podcast is
01:03:37
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if it's gonna be just a few episodes
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occasionally or it's gonna be regular at
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the moment regular looks difficult but
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maybe it will be I hope it will be but
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just doing something new and putting
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something new out there it's really
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exciting and it's really all consuming
01:03:51
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and even though like I'm making no money
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from it and I shouldn't be doing it and
01:03:56
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I should be like doing all my projects
01:03:58
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that are like my job right like it just
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takes up a disproportionate amount of
01:04:02
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your headspace when you do something new
01:04:04
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and that's like voluntary because it's
01:04:07
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such a drug to be creating something new
01:04:09
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and it's such a nice feeling so I have
01:04:11
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enjoyed putting something new out just I
01:04:13
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mean I still enjoy every new episode of
01:04:15
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Hello internet and every new episode of
01:04:16
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numberphile and every new episode of
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everything I do but the whole project
01:04:20
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being new is like another level up isn't
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it yeah there is a very very different
01:04:24
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if someone searches back through my
01:04:26
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Twitter history I think I made a comment
01:04:27
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exactly along these lines when we
01:04:29
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launched hello Internet
01:04:31
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about how it's so exciting and different
01:04:33
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to launch a new project into the world
01:04:37
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it's not like anything else it's not
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like uploading videos to your existing
01:04:42
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channel it's not like continuing to
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produce episodes of a thing that you
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already do this is also why I think that
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in the world of just being people who
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have to create things for a living the
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other side of this is that you do have a
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kind of siren song of new projects
01:04:58
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always attracting you away from your
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current work because of that excitement
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I'm glad that you're being able to
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experience that and I'm particularly
01:05:05
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shocked to realize that it has been two
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years since you did that with
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objectivity The Brady in my head is
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always just spawning new channels
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constant I think it's getting closer to
01:05:14
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three years there's like a hundred and
01:05:15
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twenty other episodes so let's not say
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that let's just say - let's just say -
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I'll feel better about that yeah another
01:05:23
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thing I noticed the idea of this podcast
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as we've said is just to come up with
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ideas for podcasts and we usually give
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them a name and I find this very easy
01:05:30
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coming up with ideas and giving them a
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name but do you know what's funny what
01:05:36
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an incredibly difficult process it was
01:05:38
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to actually name this podcast it was so
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difficult like every other idea I have
01:05:42
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in the show I give it a name like just
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off the top of my head straight away and
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just seems like a natural fit and I'm
01:05:47
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usually pretty happy with it but this
01:05:48
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was really difficult as you know cuz I
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was I was lamenting to you coming up
01:05:52
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with the name you seemed pretty
01:05:53
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desperate and I message about names it
01:05:56
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was such a heard show to name the
01:05:58
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branding of it and the look of it was
01:05:59
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quite easy cuz I got like really good
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artists to do it the branding was easy
01:06:02
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because you didn't do that part yeah and
01:06:04
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also he did double the branding based on
01:06:07
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earlier name and then I called him up
01:06:08
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and said no we're not doing that name so
01:06:09
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he had to start again but anyway it was
01:06:12
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very hard to name how did you name hello
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Internet cuz that was your idea we
01:06:16
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bounced around ideas a little bit you
01:06:18
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know forever ago about naming the
01:06:19
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podcast but it was mainly like we kind
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of knew that the show wasn't going to be
01:06:23
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about anything in particular so we had
01:06:25
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to pick a name that wasn't really
01:06:26
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anything in particular I'm not sure that
01:06:29
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hello internet is the best name for this
01:06:32
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show as it currently exists but it
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doesn't matter because especially with a
01:06:36
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show like this one
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the name just becomes the thing as long
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as it the name doesn't have some
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specific meaning then it just becomes
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what it is hello Internet is the name of
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this show even if for someone who's a
01:06:50
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new listener does that name make any
01:06:52
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sense like it doesn't really but it just
01:06:55
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is what it is cuz I was having this
01:06:57
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discussion I was discussing with my wife
01:06:59
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and I was saying am I worrying too much
01:07:00
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about the name I said the same thing I
01:07:02
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said you know the show if the show's
01:07:04
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good that's what matters and then the
01:07:05
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name just fits the show yeah without a
01:07:06
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doubt and I even said to her I mean look
01:07:08
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at hello Internet that's not a
01:07:09
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particularly good name and that's become
01:07:10
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very successful and she said hello Anton
01:07:13
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it's a really good name and I had never
01:07:15
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thought of it as a good name before so I
01:07:17
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think it's just a name I wouldn't say
01:07:19
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that it's a particularly good name I
01:07:20
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think it ends up having really good
01:07:22
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associations for the people who listen
01:07:24
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to the show because they like the show
01:07:25
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and then that's the name I think the
01:07:26
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name only matters if you're trying to
01:07:28
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really be about a specific thing and
01:07:31
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capture the audience for that thing they
01:07:35
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give you were launching a new podcast
01:07:37
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talking about all of the exciting new
01:07:39
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economies of scale in outer space and
01:07:42
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you wanted people who are really into
01:07:43
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that kind of thing to listen to your
01:07:44
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show then you need to have a title that
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describes what that show is about you
01:07:49
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know mining for cheaper and outer space
01:07:52
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podcast show right that's the name you
01:07:54
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need so that people know what it
01:07:55
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actually is but I think for for these
01:07:57
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cut like for two dudes talking kinds of
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shows it doesn't really matter what the
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name I think I'm just running through my
01:08:03
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mental list of the shows that I listen
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to that are you know maybe ostensibly
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about a thing or ostensibly have a
01:08:09
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format but are really just about liking
01:08:11
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who the hosts are none of those names
01:08:13
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really matter none of them are really
01:08:14
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descriptive about what the show is and
01:08:16
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it doesn't make any difference because
01:08:17
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you're listening for the people you're
01:08:19
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not listening for the specific yeah
01:08:23
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content the unmade podcast does have a
01:08:25
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bit more of a format than Halloween
01:08:26
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snare though it does but ultimately I
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like from having listened to the first
01:08:30
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episode and of course we know better
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than anybody like shows aren't what they
01:08:34
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start as necessarily they grow and they
01:08:36
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become their own thing it has more of a
01:08:39
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format but ultimately again it that is a
01:08:42
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show that at least from the first
01:08:44
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episode strikes me as very much as it is
01:08:46
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the conversation between the two of you
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is the thing
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which is also why like when we were
01:08:51
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talking on iMessage I was in the same
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camp as your wife of you need to pick a
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name but the name is not going to make
01:08:57
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or break the show the content is the
01:08:59
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thing that's going to do that mm-hmm I'd
01:09:01
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like to ask you to because I have been
01:09:04
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expectant and sort of harassing you
01:09:06
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about when are you going to finally do a
01:09:08
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podcast yeah is there something that
01:09:11
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made this finally happened now as
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opposed to a year ago like is there a
01:09:16
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series of events that brought this into
01:09:17
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being or was it something that you just
01:09:19
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decided now was the time that you you
01:09:22
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wanted to do this basically what took so
01:09:24
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long we started a year ago I'm not
01:09:26
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joking it actually I looked at the day
01:09:27
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and I think the first one we recorded
01:09:29
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was actually a year ago this month hmm
01:09:31
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and just recently we recorded our third
01:09:34
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episode that we're happy with I didn't
01:09:37
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want to release a podcast like one
01:09:39
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episode and then never released another
01:09:40
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one I wanted to have three made mm-hmm
01:09:43
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so that even if people aren't that into
01:09:44
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it so it doesn't become a thing I could
01:09:46
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release three like a trilogy mmm
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so I didn't want to release it until I
01:09:50
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had made three and at the very least so
01:09:53
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now that there's three I feel like okay
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now let's see what people think and if
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they like it we'll make more and if they
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don't like it well or at least three and
01:10:00
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people can enjoy those three episodes as
01:10:02
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a thing that I did once with my mate
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mm-hmm that's really what the tipping
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point was and also to get to a point
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where I was thinking if I don't do this
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I'll never do it I had someone make a
01:10:12
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youtube video recently that was of
01:10:14
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something I'd been planning to do for
01:10:15
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about two years and I could have done
01:10:17
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two years ago and I hadn't and they
01:10:19
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released a video and I was like you
01:10:22
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can't just sit on stuff you idiot yeah
01:10:24
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if you want to do things do things maybe
01:10:26
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that catalyzed me to in some way I'm not
01:10:27
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sure I'm gonna think come on do crap
01:10:30
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Brady so so we've put it out there yeah
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because you certainly don't do enough as
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it is you better get off your body for
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some more well I'm gonna see what
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happens but thank you for letting me
01:10:41
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discuss it in such depth here and how
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their internet oh yeah but I'm very
01:10:45
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happy that it's out there and and I
01:10:46
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think people should go listen go give it
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a try yeah unmade dot FM and may FM
01:10:52
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that's right and that's as good a jump
01:10:53
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off point is anyway and that's got all
01:10:54
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the links and it's I think you can
01:10:56
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search for it now on some of the usual
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places so don't like stop listening to
01:11:00
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hello internet now but maybe at the end
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week launching a new podcast and I have
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impressed by what a pleasure it is to
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does it all for you I wish this had been
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around like 10 years ago when I was
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practically crying myself to sleep every
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night trying to understand domain names
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h o v ER like a hovercraft we have a
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topic Brady that we want to talk about
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but I feel like I have just spent this
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afternoon in preparation for catching up
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on a whole big story that I was dimly
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aware existed which is this
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lawsuit that has been taking place
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between h3h3 a big popular content
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creator on YouTube and another much
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smaller YouTube channel over copyright
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infringement and I feel like since I
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have caught up on this thing all at once
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I'm not really sure how to explain the
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timeline or how to explain this whole
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event to the listeners
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do you've any idea how to how to
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summarize this for everybody I only
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found out about it yesterday as well
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okay you're not up on your YouTube news
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no no I'm surprisingly bad and stuff
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like this hmm but obviously this h3h3
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people made this video really taking the
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piss out of this other video mm-hm and
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they showed lots of clips from it but
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then they also cut to themselves taking
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the mickey out of it yeah h3h3 would
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describe this as a reaction video they
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use that language themselves I thought
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it was beyond a reaction video myself I
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think it was more than that like to me a
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reaction video is just people watching
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things going Oh gross haha that's funny
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but they like took this one to pieces
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like they did a real job on him I mean
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calling this a reaction video is like
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calling what I'd let immediate did to
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style was a reaction video like I think
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this was more in that genre of like a
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really harsh critique and it wasn't just
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like passively reacting to it though I
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think it was probably quite fair the
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other guy didn't they went to court
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hdhd have one there's been this
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judgement in which the judge has said
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this was not defamatory because which
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was also part of the lawsuit and this
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was fair use this was fair criticism
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which is being hailed as a big victory
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for fair use but the judge also said in
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like a footnote in the judgement while
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this is fair use I'm not applying this
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to the other sort of brand of reaction
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videos where people are more just
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watching and really is using the content
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so the judge herself has basically said
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there are two types of reaction videos
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those that I think are fair use and
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those that I'm not commenting on which
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reading between the lines says I don't
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think a fair use interesting I feel like
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I'm I have a
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a little bit of a different subjective
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take on it I think if you imagine
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there's a spectrum and in my head I
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picked the red letter media thing as an
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example of one extreme end of the
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spectrum yes taking out the word react
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videos for a moment there is this
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question of you want to make a video
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about something that somebody else has
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made they've made a YouTube video or
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maybe they have made Star Wars whatever
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it is you want to make a video about a
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thing that somebody else has made on one
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end of the spectrum is what I think is
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the worst and awful is the pure react
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video which as you were saying before is
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somebody just puts a webcam on their
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face and you see them watching a thing
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they watch the thing in its entirety and
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the worst of them say very little or
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just chuckle or make facial expressions
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and do almost nothing yeah that's one
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end of the spectrum and then on the
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other end of the spectrum I think you
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you have something like red letter media
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as a perfect example of yeah they have
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taken Star Wars they've used an enormous
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amount of footage from it but they have
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essentially made an entirely brand-new
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thing yes that and they're like that is
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the clearest case of fair use that can
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possibly exist and then the react the
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pure react video is the absolute worst
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use case that there possibly is yeah and
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something like what h3h3 made is in
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between those two extremes it's not red
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letter media but it's also not them just
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filming their faces doing nothing
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my personal subjective take is that it's
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closer to the pure reaction video than
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it is to the red letter media end of
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that spectrum hmm but ultimately that is
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a subjective call like if I was a judge
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I would say I would say what they did
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was fair use but it feels to me like
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it's much closer to the pure react end
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of the spectrum where it's like if we
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turn this dial down a lot more then it
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starts becoming a little bit of a gray
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area that at least that's that's my
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particular feel for it
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I mean I agree there is like this
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blurred spectrum and I think your two
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extreme ends are correct
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I watched the h3h
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a video that caused the whole kerfuffle
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hmm and I thought you know I think he's
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sued because they were taking the piss
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out of him and if they'd said this was a
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magnificent video mm-hmm he wouldn't
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have sued so really he got he's knows
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how to join but the thing I think
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decided at and I think it's kind of what
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the judge said as well was does this
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video become like a replacement or
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substitute for watching the original
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like if you'd liked this guy what's his
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name who's or whatever his name is if
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you'd liked this guy who made the
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original video and you liked his stuff
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could you have gone on to h3h3 and watch
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that instead to replace the experience
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and certainly you couldn't do that
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because they chopped it to pieces they
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were stopping at all the time they were
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belittling it you know you wouldn't get
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the same experience whereas if you just
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played the video and put yourself down
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in the bottom corner pulling faces and
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then you have replaced the experience
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you don't have to watch both it's funny
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that you pick that up because I actually
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took down the exact quote that the judge
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wrote because I thought this is an
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interesting part of it so again h3h3
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took this person's video they played
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clips of it paused it then talked about
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what had just happened on screen you
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know and played clips of it right there
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and they're making fun of and commenting
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on the video and again like mock Regan
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and commentary is exactly what the whole
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idea of fair use is for like you're
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commenting on a thing so the quote from
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the judge is because the Cline h3h3
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video does not offer a substitute for
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the original hmm it does not substitute
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a market that properly belongs to the
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copyright holder yeah so like we have
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discussed on previous shows there's also
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this idea with fair use of have you
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taken away the markets that the original
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thing was created for like God are you
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substituting the thing and what I think
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is really interesting is though I
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watched the h3h3 video making fun of
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this guy and they're funny like they're
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very likeable and they do a good job of
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ripping apart this guy's thing but when
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I watched it what I thought is I want to
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go now find the original video and I
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want to watch that because partly what I
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was curious is it's very hard to tell
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when you're watching someone who's cut
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a thing how much of the thing is missing
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right now like how much is this is clips
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versus how much of it is the original
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thing so I went back and I watched the
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original video mm-hmm and it's hard to
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say I'd love to see someone actually do
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a little timeline but I feel like they
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probably used 70% of the original thing
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and yet it's interesting cuz I was like
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I'm looking at this judge's decision and
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I agree like it does not substitute for
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the original but I think what is
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crossing my mind is it's almost like
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YouTube is creating a new concept in the
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world which is like the idea of fair use
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was originally created for this idea of
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like if you watch the red letter media
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review of Star Wars does that substitute
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for watching the Star Wars movie itself
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obviously not right because they're two
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totally different experiences and
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watching the h3h3 video I totally agree
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with the judge like it doesn't
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substitute the original markets that
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belongs to the original copyright holder
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like if you like that guy's videos
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watching h3h3 is nothing like watching
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his videos without their commentary
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they're two totally different things
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yeah but there is this idea that's
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creeping into my head that watching the
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h3h3 video it doesn't substitute for the
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original but it does obviate the need to
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watch the original hmmm because I was
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just aware of watching the original one
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it's like I feel I have totally seen
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this yeah yeah it doesn't substitute but
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it does kind of remove something because
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I've only just been think about this
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this afternoon I'm not saying they're
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like oh that so the case should have
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been decided in a different way like I
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completely agree with the way the case
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was decided and thank God for everybody
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on YouTube but it was decided this way
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hmmm but I just keep I have the little
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wedge in my mind that I keep thinking
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there is this idea that this this
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concept of fair use was written in a
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very different environment than it is
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being applied now and it's like I feel
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like there's that there's an additional
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subtlety to the idea of substitution as
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a test for fair use that is being pulled
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out by this case in my mind because I
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really do think that the h3h3 video
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obviates the need to watch the original
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which is a new concept in the world at
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least that's how it feels to me this
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finding as well that's being hired by
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youtubers everywhere as a really good
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thing for them could come back to bite
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them on the backside because if all your
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mail on lines and other video stealing
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freebooters of the world can turn this
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to their advantage
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suddenly you know all your best YouTube
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videos are going to end up on the mail
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online website and they're gonna say oh
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no it's that's you know fair use or
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we're not taking your market away
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because we have a whole different
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demographic or right right taking your
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market away because we've made some
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changes to it that you weren't willing
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to make like we made it short we're
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catering to people who like short
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45-second clips you're catering to
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people who like 15-minute in depth
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science things like it does open a door
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that people may think twice about later
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I completely agree and the thing that I
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keep thinking of is take the kinds of
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videos that we make like educational
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videos there's this whole world of
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YouTube that I'm just not really
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comfortable with which is this kind of
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area that is is it's not the pure react
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videos but it's sort of that where
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somebody takes somebody else's video and
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just plays most of it but pauses it and
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then talks and then plays most of it and
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pauses it and talks like it's very
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parasitic isn't it I mean this guy who
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made the video that got which I didn't
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think was very good but he he made a lot
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of effort and he made a creation and
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these people didn't really create much
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they just sat there and watched it and
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talked about it and you could say well
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their creation was their wit and their
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intellect and their all their satire
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they brought to it but I still think one
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person has like you know built the
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pyramid and the other person has just
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said your pyramids crap mm-hmm and
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they're both getting the same reward as
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if they both built a pyramid mm-hmm
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there is definitely something to that
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and I'm aware that this world of YouTube
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where people play other people's videos
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pause comment and continue to play and
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pause comment again I'm not a I'm not a
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judge here I'm not like the god of
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copyright but my feeling is if you use
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100% of the other person's video and
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only do the pause play pause I feel like
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for me personally I would not rule that
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which is why in my head the h3h3 video
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it almost sets like the limit for what
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is it that I would consider is fair use
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but is getting very close to the edge of
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what is not fair use because I feel like
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if you watch their video and you watch
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the original there's so much of the
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original in there and they're playing it
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all in chronological order and just
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pausing and commenting they can such an
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interesting legal case but it is it is
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like it's setting a minimum bar of what
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do I agree with but I feel like you're
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coming real close to the edge of what is
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actually the fair use and and I could
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see a lot of people getting upset when
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like you said other people can start
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using big big chunks of their video and
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and playing the game of how little
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commentary can we possibly add while
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still considering this to be fair use
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and it's like oh we haven't substituted
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for your market because watching our
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video with our comments is not the same
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as watching your video but that's where
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I mean like I feel like I have this idea
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that there's like an additional concept
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here with fair use in the internet world
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that needs some exploration and I don't
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even know what directions that
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exploration would take there is one
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thing I will say that I think is the
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unambiguous great part about this case
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so like well the copyright part is a bit
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like ooh I'm happy about it but it's a
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bit of a less certain that it's going to
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be great for youtubers kind of thing the
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part that I do think is fantastic is is
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the part of the case which is about
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defamation and that is the thing that
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could have been really bad for all
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youtubers where the lawsuit it seems
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like a big part of it was the idea that
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they aren't just commenting on the other
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guy's video they're making fun of him
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yeah and then it's it's like does making
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fun of someone on the Internet is this
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going to be an example that we can say
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here is the bar where we set what
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defamation is and that defamation is
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making fun of someone's parkour skills
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on the Internet right like is that
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defamation or saying that like the
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treatment of characters in his video is
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like is that defamation now the judge
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had some funny language that they go
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over in their video about how it's like
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it is so clearly not defamation to make
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fun of someone on the Internet and that
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is a door that I'm very glad was more
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clearly closed in this case we haven't
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opened the door wider to what is the
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minimum bar for being able to sue
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someone for defamation because if this
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video was defamatory then it's like we
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have opened a Pandora's box of crazy for
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for what is acceptable or what is not
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acceptable content on the internet so
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that to me is is the best and the
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clearest wind out of this case by far so
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great another youtubey thing which has
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been in my life the last few days is
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this thing where YouTube are flagging
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videos that they think unsuitable for
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full advertising though automatically if
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this is done automatically
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videos are flagged as potentially being
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unsuitable for certain advertisers so
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they'll serve no advertising or very
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limited advertising against it I feel
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like there was a an asteroid called the
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ad pocalypse which crossed the sky of
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our YouTube planets and it is forever
01:27:44
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continuing to rain down chunks of it
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upon the earth this is yet another chunk
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of this is YouTube fairly recently in
01:27:54
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introducing some AI machine learning
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BOTS that are trying to scan the video
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for content and automatically determine
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advertiser friendliness or not I mean
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I've got a lot of videos on YouTube as
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you know and I haven't been particularly
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affected by this but in the last few
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days I've just noticed on a few of my
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lesser channels I had a whole bunch of
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videos flagged for her did you get a
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notification about them being flagged or
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did you manually look I manually looked
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well okay so I went had a look and I
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found some and I can sort of see why
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some of them maybe were flagged
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automatically because of the headline
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like I'll give you a give you an example
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of some that were flagged I did one
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about viagra which is actually about a
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chemistry of how viagra works there's no
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sexual content it is literally about
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chemistry do you say what the purpose of
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Viagra is is it hinted at in a playful
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manner hardly at all no
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in a way that's unsuitable okay another
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one called making nanoparticles in
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supercritical water right which is a
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really boring science II thing there was
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one that got flagged which has kind of
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amused me because it was one that it was
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a funny film that was unlisted that
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Destin and I made years ago called in
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the YouTube Mossad room because they
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have a Mossad room for staff in YouTube
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and we made a funny video pretending
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that I was giving Destin the message and
01:29:09
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we were being secretly that's wildly
01:29:13
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inappropriate for work however but yeah
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I remember that one anyway I don't care
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it got flagged another one's just called
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Subutai mole and asthma again you know
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just a technical video about how a
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certain chemical is used to treat asthma
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and then on my second numberphile
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channel where I have extras my big
01:29:30
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channels this doesn't seem to have
01:29:31
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happened on but on my secondary
01:29:33
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numberphile channel called numberphile -
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I had some extra footage for this big
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video I did about derangements which are
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as mathematical thing liked arrangements
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are like permutations and it's just a
01:29:44
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boring mathematical thing and this video
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was called derangement extra footage on
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numberphile and you can ask for a manual
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review so I asked for manual reviews on
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all of these videos I don't think I did
01:29:57
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on the message one but I asked for a
01:29:59
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manual review on all of them and of all
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the derangement one within two seconds
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of watching her it's James grime with a
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piece of brown paper doing math
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equations talking about these things
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called arrangements and permutations and
01:30:13
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arranging cards in certain order and so
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while we've been talking I have got an
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email back from YouTube saying hi
01:30:22
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numberphile - after manually reviewing
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your video we've confirmed that it isn't
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suitable for all advertisers Wow as a
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result it will continue to run limited
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or no ads so they give a reason I use it
01:30:37
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too boring for most advertisers is that
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the reason is that's gonna shut down all
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of numberphile so he confirmed that your
01:30:47
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video is snore tastic and advertisers
01:30:49
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are uninterested he's quiet
01:30:51
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you know if you don't like mathematics
01:30:53
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okay but there is no way that it is
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unsuitable if this has been manually
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I am absolutely flabbergasted
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I mean it's had 66 thousand views and
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like it's not gonna make lots and lots
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of money and this isn't about money
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you know if they shut down all my videos
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fair enough you know it's not that it's
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just that I kind of put a toe in the
01:31:15
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water here and thought haha that's funny
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the system's a bit broken I'll go for
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the manual review right and the manual
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reviews broken so suddenly I'm thinking
01:31:22
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hang on what's going on here
01:31:25
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unless this video is going to take a
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very dramatic turn at some at some point
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in I have to admit later on there is a
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part where he does say n factorial take
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n factorial over 1 factorial plus in
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effect or over 2 factorial take n effect
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whoa whoa calm down well down there
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Brady I'm kind of a little bit outraged
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why do you feel outraged because they're
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now saying they manually review them and
01:31:52
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they think it's not suitable mm-hmm and
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that makes me think the manual review
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like the checks and balances aren't
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working so your frustration is that the
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system is broken I don't mind that it
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got flagged because derangement is a
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word that I could see could have other
01:32:06
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meanings right you know that they're
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concerned about I can see why maybe I
01:32:10
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mean I don't know why the main video
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which is also called arrangement on the
01:32:14
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main channel wasn't flagged maybe
01:32:15
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numberphile has protected status and
01:32:18
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it's a some white listed channel and
01:32:20
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maybe numberphile 2 is seen because it's
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a smaller channel it hasn't got those
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protections but I would also just posit
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here that like when people have
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conversations about what the YouTube
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algorithm does or or any of these
01:32:30
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machine learning systems that there are
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non human understandable reasons why
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these things occur that's just a part of
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the way yeah these systems work is that
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even if you were able to peer directly
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into the code there may be no human
01:32:45
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understandable explanation as to why due
01:32:47
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to similar videos end up with different
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results but that is precisely why say a
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human manual review is a necessary part
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of the process and it is not encouraging
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that it does not work no I've had my
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human manual review and unless yeah like
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you say unless there's something about
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that video other than I I'm a little bit
01:33:07
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I'm a little bit upset about it
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and like I said I'm not upset cuz of
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money I'm upset cuz it's wrong yeah well
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it's a it's upsetting as always with
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this YouTube stuff because it is a thing
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upon which like it's it's never about
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any one video but it is about the system
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upon which livelihoods depend that's why
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people always get real nervous when this
01:33:26
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stuff happens with YouTube so I have a
01:33:29
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question as someone who has gone through
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the manual review process hmm is there
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now a button that you can press that
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says you would like to appeal the manual
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review process no it only just says you
01:33:39
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can find more information about our
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advertiser friendly guidelines in our
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Help Center if they're going to have a
01:33:43
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manual review system at all I feel like
01:33:47
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it as a subjective experience as a user
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of YouTube it's incredibly infuriating
01:33:53
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to press a button that says hey human is
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going to look at this and you get a form
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letter back that explains nothing right
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that's just sent out thousands and
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thousands of times an hour I'm sure as a
01:34:05
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content creator the thing that I would
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want to have happen is when you press
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the manual review button maybe it comes
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back with the judgment that you don't
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want but it should also come back with a
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time stamp that says like here then a
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link to the policy that it is deemed
01:34:22
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that this violates I mean I can see how
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that would be very time consuming for
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the five people they've got doing the
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job but I just don't know what the
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person did like did the person not watch
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it did they just look at the headline
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the same as the algorithm did and think
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are derangement it must be about mental
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illness or something what did the manual
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person do the whole point of the manual
01:34:44
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process is to understand what the hell
01:34:46
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is going on like I'm very happy to use
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machine learning to do a whole bunch of
01:34:51
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sorting like I understand this like I
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said it is an intrinsic part of the
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machine learning that it is not
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understandable and so then when you're
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kicking it over into a human the whole
01:35:00
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benefit of the human side of the system
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is there is at least the possibility of
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understanding and and that a reason can
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be given but that's why a form letter
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back is frustrating because it's just oh
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it might as well have been a robot right
01:35:14
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like for all you know the appeal is just
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another like it's a peeled app which is
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doing a different algorithm to take a
01:35:21
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look at the videos
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yeah gives you no explanation of what is
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occurring like it's not unlikely that
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that's really genuinely possible right
01:35:28
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that it's just oh it's just a different
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system that we have and if the two
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systems agree then we say yes of course
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it's not friendly to all advertisers or
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whatever their their language is that
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they use they have used the word manual
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which is an interesting word to have
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chosen I mean what does menu were very
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meaning it it could just be a clockwork
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AI right that's that's what it is it's
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City right it's marbles and it's rubber
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bands but it's still they built a big
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machine somewhere that's watching the
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YouTube videos it's interesting that
01:35:55
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that you mentioned this because I've
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been hearing grumbles and grumbles about
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this this kind of content system or once
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you can it just seems like YouTube has a
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very hard time making a correct maneuver
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and I manually went through a bunch of
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my videos and I wanted to take a look Oh
01:36:08
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have I been caught by this because again
01:36:10
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it seems like people just get surprised
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like you don't get notifications that a
01:36:14
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thing has occurred and I look through my
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videos nothing has been flagged yet but
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you know who knows maybe I have to keep
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think of all the news stories that have
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affected me mostly over the last week or
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two mm-hmm it has to be a story about
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Big Ben which if you're gonna be
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pedantic is the name of like oh no one
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those people don't just ignore them just
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move right along Big Ben the tower yeah
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the big famous clock in London right
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what everybody thinks of as Big Ben the
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big famous clock but in fact the story
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is about Big Ben because it's about the
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Bell they're doing a big restoration job
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on the tower which I think it's called
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the Elizabeth tower that houses Big Ben
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it's the tower with the clock at the top
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so they need to do all this renovation
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and as a result the bells not gonna ring
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except like for very special occasions
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like New Year's even stuff like that so
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they're they're silencing the Bell and I
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thought fair enough you got to do your
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work you could you know I can imagine
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you've got to switch the Bell off and it
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just suddenly emerged that the Bell is
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going to be deactivated for like four
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mmm-hmm and at first people were like us
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for years okay and then I think within
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the course of a day or two people just
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started saying hang on a second for
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years and then the politicians have
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chimed and even the Prime Minister I
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think has said this seems excessive like
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does it does it really have to be four
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years and I agree I think it is
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absolutely outrageous that you won't be
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able to hear big ben ring for four years
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and there's gonna be scaffolding on that
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tower for ages as well I think this is
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such an important thing in London you
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know for tourism and just for the look
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I cannot believe anything can take that
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long to fix you look at your pair and
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they get those sink holes in the road
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and I fixed within twenty minutes and
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they're gonna take four years to fix a
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clock like I know it's a difficult job
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it's an important
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it's pressures and clocks are hard to
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fix and this requires expertise but just
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throw more people at it
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nothing should take four years nothing
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should take four years that's a bold
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statement there we go up the Manhattan
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Project took four years
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I checked it actually took four years so
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they're saying they can go from not
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having a nuclear bomb to like the
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nuclear bomb in the same amount of time
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it takes to fix a clock mm-hmm what well
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it's a historical repair of the tower I
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thought was the primary thing this is
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one of these things where I don't read
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the mythical man-month right you put a
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thousand men on it it's going to take 40
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years to fix it to have the most this is
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the most famous monument in London if
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not the world maybe there's only
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probably two or three more famous
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monuments in the world do you think
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that's reasonable to have it so out of
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commission for four years I don't know I
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don't know I've been aware of the story
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because I think being in London somehow
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I was I've been aware for a really long
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time that the tower was going to be
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covered up in scaffolding for a long
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period of time I don't remember where it
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was but I feel like I've known this for
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months and months and months but it has
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suddenly become a story because it's
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like people can crystallize around the
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concept of the bell not ringing which
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has turned it into a thing and it's
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happening now it's yeah come the repair
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job of the century yes it becomes a
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repair shop of the century but when I
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when I came back to London from the
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summer the scaffolding was just going up
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and I took a picture of it at that time
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because I knew like oh yes it's going to
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be a while before the tower is fully
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uncovered again like this has been this
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is going to be some big huge job but the
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four years thing it's just like I don't
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know because it's hard to say with
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projects like this what are what are
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they doing if they are trying to restore
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the tower so that it can last another
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hundred years taking four percent of the
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time to restore the tower doesn't seem
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like a crazy number to me that would
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seem quite reasonable if this is a
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restoration job to last a hundred years
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now if it is a restoration
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to last six years then yes there is some
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horrible bureaucratic problem going on
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with how long the repairs taken what it
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is that they're actually doing here all
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right I don't know with construction
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projects in particular like I'm also
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just aware of this in London that I I
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like to take photographs of some places
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that I know that are under construction
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when they're foolish enough to put up a
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date and I have a few places where I
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have photographs of the exact same sign
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as they have changed the date over the
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years for like opening for the Olympics
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as opening for 2015 opening 2017 opening
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2080 right and they just keep bumping it
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back I wouldn't be surprised if once
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that scaffolding goes up it actually
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ends up taking them six years or eight
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years to really do the thing like four
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years is they're optimistic outcome
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right now but they're going to discover
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something in the process of doing the
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restoration that actually makes it take
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much longer can you imagine being an
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American tourist coming to London and
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Big Ben's covered in scaffolding it's
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amazing it's like such a problem or what
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I wonder is they're very good in London
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about putting up those drawings of the
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building on the outside of the building
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and if the thing is it's amazing
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actually how often you don't necessarily
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notice there is I think I have a
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photograph was it seen Paul's Cathedral
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there was some place where they they put
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up that kind of scaffolding and from the
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right view like down the street you'd
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never know like you wouldn't know yes if
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you didn't do you never know if it's
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just the background to you and you see
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st. Paul's Cathedral the time but if
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you've come just to take a photo of Big
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Ben which is what most people come to
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London to do you're gonna notice well
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people come to London to have fun in
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Trafalgar Square
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that's the primary reason that they they
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come here and I think we've discussed
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before there are the danger to London's
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tourism around that particular tourist
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attraction is is much much worse than
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this I only mentioned the construction
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around Big Bend because you know there
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is going to be some nonzero number of
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tourists who see the scaffolding around
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it with the drawing of the tower on it
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who think that is the thing like that
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someone is going to have that experience
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that's definitely going to put the
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drawing on it day oh oh they have to if
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they don't put the drawing on it I will
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be very surprised they're gonna put the
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drawing on there maybe if they're really
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clever they can do some rear projection
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of a clock on the actual drawing so they
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could get the time right that would be a
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good thing to do I
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think the scaffolding won't cover the
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clock itself until the very last minute
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but hmm what could be wrong about that -
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as possible that's possible here's the
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other thing though that I think is
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interesting around this this
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construction thing like it's going to
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take so long
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but what has happened like I kind of
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love when this happens and I also hate
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when it happens is that now what the
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bell will chime for is turning into like
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a fun political issue where everybody
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gets to argue about what events are they
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going to ring the bell for right so
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somebody somebody made a terrible
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mistake where they said oh the Bell
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isn't going to ring for four years right
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and then as you mentioned like
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politicians came in and they said well
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well what about for New Year's and I
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said okay well we can make the bell ring
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for New Year's so it's like no no if you
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say the Bell won't ring don't concede or
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I don't ever concede because then all
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you're going to deal with for forever is
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people asking you to make the bell ring
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for their idea of what a special
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occasion is and so already there's a
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little storm about is the bell going to
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ring for the moment of the glorious
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Independence of the UK when it leaves
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the EU like surely Big Ben should ring
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for that as like oh no you've opened
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yourself up to this problem of everybody
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asking now that you have declared this
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period of silence of everybody asking
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for the bell to ring on a special
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occasion like you know in the next four
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years there's going to be some dramatic
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news event right some tragedy of some
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kind and people will be calling for the
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bell to ring as respect for this moment
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right like it's inevitable that this is
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going to happen at the moment they're
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saying anything New Year's Eve and
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remembrance Sunday it'd be interesting
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it's a really really important member of
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the royal family does for example in the
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next four years which is not an
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inconceivable thought it's not
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inconceivable that the queen is going to
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die in the next four years right I said
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we're not jinxing the Queen here Big Ben
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was ringing everyone would be saying it
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should be silenced so I don't know what
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they're gonna do when that happens yeah
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you can't say hey the Queen's dead let's
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so bring a bow don't um yeah I've put my
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money right now but if the Queen dies
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they will ring the bell
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right I bet that will happen that's
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that's what I put my money on but when
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someone dies isn't it all you know stop
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the bills that's like birth that's even
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the poem isn't it it's when someone
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it's an inversion you're totally right
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because the Bell is silent we had now we
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must ring the bell to not ring the bell
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incredibly disrespectful do you know
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what's gonna happen what every bad thing
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that happens in the next four years is
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gonna be put down to the curse of Big
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Ben it's gonna be like you know when
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local celebrities start dying and think
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bad things happen it's gonna be all this
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just started happening when Big Ben's
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stopped ringing you know I think you're
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right I think you're right Brady Big Ben
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it's it's the beating heart of the
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United Kingdom it's terrible terrible
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luck to still the beating heart of this
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kingdom and is it a coincidence they
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stopped the Bell the same day as the
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eclipse of the century I don't think it
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is yeah no I don't think it is mm-hmm
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it's concerning it's really really
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concerning point that you brought up
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their curse the big ten I hope we make
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it through it
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do I sound Pasha yes you sound Pasha
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without a doubt I think we could do with
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double-blind posh tests on this and if
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people would definitely say this is the
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Pasha one although because it's like
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that old-fashioned type of microphone I
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was hoping would maybe make me sound
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like those people who did like
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voiceovers for nineteen fifties
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newsrooms like now having set the new
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land speed record out on the lakes of
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North America it's pretty good