Roderick on the Line

Ep. 257: "Sonic Posture"


00:00:01   [Music] [TS]

00:00:05   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:07   hi Merlin as gone well we're starting [TS]

00:00:12   off this podcast with me in motion [TS]

00:00:15   moving from this room to that room I'm [TS]

00:00:19   carrying my whole podcast studio with me [TS]

00:00:21   geez yeah it's very complicated here [TS]

00:00:24   today there's a complicated sonic [TS]

00:00:28   posture to the to the whole estate okay [TS]

00:00:32   are you gonna even a clueless on what [TS]

00:00:34   has made the posture and what in [TS]

00:00:37   particular made it complicated yeah yeah [TS]

00:00:40   so so I was I was working on my house [TS]

00:00:46   this summer and I did the thing where [TS]

00:00:49   you know where I had a thing that I [TS]

00:00:51   wanted to do it wasn't an easy fix [TS]

00:00:53   I wanted to fix the front porch which [TS]

00:00:56   had which had sustained quite a bit of [TS]

00:00:59   weather damage and and I felt like I was [TS]

00:01:02   equal to the task my carpentry was equal [TS]

00:01:05   to the task so I began to begin to work [TS]

00:01:09   on the on the porch and I got I got to [TS]

00:01:14   to a place where I needed to tear some [TS]

00:01:16   stuff apart and you know I get a little [TS]

00:01:20   zealous I get a little obsessed and I [TS]

00:01:26   continue to tear the thing apart because [TS]

00:01:28   I kept finding things that needed to be [TS]

00:01:31   remediated and then I tore the whole [TS]

00:01:35   porch part oh boy [TS]

00:01:36   and then I studied it for a couple of [TS]

00:01:43   weeks a lot of people will tell you [TS]

00:01:47   there's there's a lot to carpentry [TS]

00:01:49   everybody knows that you need good tools [TS]

00:01:50   you need to measure twice all that kind [TS]

00:01:53   of stuff mm-hmm [TS]

00:01:54   but sometimes you just need to look at [TS]

00:01:55   where your porch used to be that's a big [TS]

00:01:56   part of carpentry yeah it is and I had a [TS]

00:01:59   little bench there some look at where [TS]

00:02:01   ports used to be and and say why and I [TS]

00:02:04   say why not why not right that's right [TS]

00:02:06   that's a Bobby candy was talking about I [TS]

00:02:08   right before sirhan sirhan get you soon [TS]

00:02:13   so I have a little park bench there that [TS]

00:02:15   also needs repair that I was gonna get [TS]

00:02:19   to right after the porch and I would sit [TS]

00:02:21   on the broken park bench and survey the [TS]

00:02:23   damage that I'd done in progress [TS]

00:02:27   yeah and I had a bunch of different [TS]

00:02:29   stuff I bought some lumber at the [TS]

00:02:31   lumberyard that was on sale and I had [TS]

00:02:35   that stacked there Oh God and I spent a [TS]

00:02:39   couple of days working with the the chop [TS]

00:02:42   saw to get my mitered edge technique and [TS]

00:02:48   then I who I had a lot of stuff to do I [TS]

00:02:51   went out of town I kind of left the [TS]

00:02:53   porch in its current state oh I did I [TS]

00:02:56   mentioned that I had dug a trench around [TS]

00:02:57   the porch a moat so it wasn't really [TS]

00:03:02   possible from the mail delivery person [TS]

00:03:06   and the UPS people to really transit [TS]

00:03:10   through my yard without it being kind of [TS]

00:03:13   a conventionally not conventionally [TS]

00:03:17   approachable why'd you make a trench [TS]

00:03:18   Sean well because I wanted to do some [TS]

00:03:21   further remediation against you know the [TS]

00:03:24   the elements and also I have in mind to [TS]

00:03:26   build a path a walkway but I needed to [TS]

00:03:29   get down there and put some cement board [TS]

00:03:31   some hardy board as we call it down [TS]

00:03:34   beneath the lay the level of the you [TS]

00:03:38   know the the ground so that it wasn't I [TS]

00:03:41   don't like a porch that has just sort of [TS]

00:03:42   lattice on it [TS]

00:03:44   I want a porch to feel solid like it's [TS]

00:03:46   really connected to the earth mmm [TS]

00:03:48   which means in my case digging a trench [TS]

00:03:51   and putting Hardy board down Hardy board [TS]

00:03:53   below the surface of the earth and then [TS]

00:03:56   fit back filling the earth and then [TS]

00:03:58   putting up the wood belly board and then [TS]

00:04:02   the mitered I learned so many times - oh [TS]

00:04:05   yeah so I surveyed you Hardy boards free [TS]

00:04:09   to the belly boards is that right I mean [TS]

00:04:11   there are some people that would be they [TS]

00:04:13   would make belly board on a hardy person [TS]

00:04:15   that fixes their porch in a weekend you [TS]

00:04:16   this is a more room a new ruminative [TS]

00:04:17   process for you right I'm not that kind [TS]

00:04:19   of guy [TS]

00:04:20   so anyway I'm studying this I started [TS]

00:04:24   coming back from my long trip I [TS]

00:04:26   continued [TS]

00:04:26   to study the porch and my friend Peter [TS]

00:04:31   happens along and Peter says I was [TS]

00:04:35   walking through the through a different [TS]

00:04:36   neighborhood a nice neighborhood let's [TS]

00:04:38   call it and there was a carpenter there [TS]

00:04:42   named psalm a Cambodian guy named Psalm [TS]

00:04:45   who was doing some great carpentry work [TS]

00:04:48   on this house that I passed by that [TS]

00:04:49   looked nice and so I got his card here [TS]

00:04:53   it is he's a professional carpenter this [TS]

00:04:56   is this is Peter you know passing by [TS]

00:04:58   being a pal and at one point I was like [TS]

00:05:01   ah you know I've been studying this [TS]

00:05:03   problem now for several weeks maybe I'll [TS]

00:05:07   give Psalm a call see what he has to say [TS]

00:05:09   so psalm comes out he says well it's [TS]

00:05:13   impossible to bid this job because [TS]

00:05:14   you've torn the house apart I can't know [TS]

00:05:19   how long this is gonna take to fix so [TS]

00:05:23   I'll just go at it and we'll work it out [TS]

00:05:27   well that's that's um that's troubling [TS]

00:05:30   well it is but at the same time I had a [TS]

00:05:34   fairly good feeling about Psalm you know [TS]

00:05:38   he's he had a he had a kind of like sure [TS]

00:05:41   I'm a licensed and bonded carpenter [TS]

00:05:44   that's not a problem it's right there [TS]

00:05:46   it's right there on the side but I also [TS]

00:05:50   you know I I'm trying to make a living [TS]

00:05:53   well you know I'm taking what they're [TS]

00:05:55   giving cuz I'm working for a living and [TS]

00:05:57   I said I said yes sir Johnny paycheck so [TS]

00:06:02   I said tell you what some you use you do [TS]

00:06:06   what you see fit I'm gonna I'm gonna pop [TS]

00:06:09   in I'm not gonna make any suggestions [TS]

00:06:12   really as a as like a fellow carpenter [TS]

00:06:15   here I'm gonna act as the homeowner and [TS]

00:06:18   just nod well you tell me what you think [TS]

00:06:22   and then I'll set you loose and we'll [TS]

00:06:25   figure out how much it cost later did [TS]

00:06:27   you have a rough like with in like half [TS]

00:06:30   an order of magnitude you have an idea [TS]

00:06:31   about what this might cost in terms of [TS]

00:06:34   paying Psalm Gemini had about you wanted [TS]

00:06:37   what you wanted to cost you have an idea [TS]

00:06:39   about no way [TS]

00:06:40   do I want to be more than this number [TS]

00:06:43   I'm just asking if you have a range in [TS]

00:06:45   your head I have a range in my head I [TS]

00:06:46   have the range of what it would cost for [TS]

00:06:49   me to do it in terms of blood and [TS]

00:06:52   treasure right I do this all the time [TS]

00:06:56   with stuff rifle I feel like this makes [TS]

00:06:58   me alerted man it's because sometimes I [TS]

00:07:00   will say whether it's the money I would [TS]

00:07:01   like to receive for something or the [TS]

00:07:03   money I'm willing to pay for something [TS]

00:07:04   I'll frequently do something as [TS]

00:07:05   ridiculous as a little excel in my head [TS]

00:07:07   we're all say there's no conceivable way [TS]

00:07:10   this could be done properly for less [TS]

00:07:12   than five hundred dollars but it would [TS]

00:07:14   be very surprising to me if this cost [TS]

00:07:16   more than two thousand seven hundred [TS]

00:07:18   dollars for what happened or maybe [TS]

00:07:20   higher maybe higher but you have like [TS]

00:07:22   within you know an order or two of [TS]

00:07:24   magnitude you know so if somebody were [TS]

00:07:26   to say to you yeah sure I'll do it for [TS]

00:07:27   sixty thousand say I'm gonna get another [TS]

00:07:29   bid right well on the contractor who's [TS]

00:07:32   working on the house across the street [TS]

00:07:33   came over and looked at my project at [TS]

00:07:36   one point along the way and he said huh [TS]

00:07:38   this is one of those things that could [TS]

00:07:40   cost $300 or $30,000 and I was like yeah [TS]

00:07:45   now that's about the range and he was [TS]

00:07:47   like because now you've got the porch [TS]

00:07:49   torn apart boy we should just jack up [TS]

00:07:51   the whole house engine out you might as [TS]

00:07:54   well I took care of other things right [TS]

00:07:55   and I said you know what you think just [TS]

00:07:57   like me and he said I remember the first [TS]

00:08:00   time I dug out the basement of a house [TS]

00:08:02   and I said tell me more he said well I [TS]

00:08:04   was 24 and I went fuck right of course [TS]

00:08:09   and he said it was the dumbest thing I [TS]

00:08:11   ever did and I wrote it to this day but [TS]

00:08:14   on the other hand my family and I sit in [TS]

00:08:16   our basement our cool basement all the [TS]

00:08:18   time and watch television nice and boy [TS]

00:08:21   you're really not making this easy but [TS]

00:08:23   in any case I realize that let's be [TS]

00:08:27   honest what you're describing there is [TS]

00:08:28   the fuel that's the fuel that drives the [TS]

00:08:30   rumination is that like well as long as [TS]

00:08:32   I'm doing this I wonder it's not even as [TS]

00:08:34   long in my opinion it's not even as [TS]

00:08:36   simple as as long as I'm doing this [TS]

00:08:38   clear thing which is tearing my portion [TS]

00:08:40   down to a certain degree I might as well [TS]

00:08:42   do that specific thing it's more like [TS]

00:08:44   there's a world of possibilities now [TS]

00:08:46   what what are the worlds that you might [TS]

00:08:48   have opened up that would have never [TS]

00:08:49   been available to you well you had an [TS]

00:08:50   intact [TS]

00:08:51   well that's exactly right like you know [TS]

00:08:54   what this house doesn't have a laundry [TS]

00:08:56   chute [TS]

00:08:56   oh shoot if you're not gonna moan coal [TS]

00:08:59   you could at least start with a laundry [TS]

00:09:00   chute [TS]

00:09:01   see why the heck wouldn't you I went I [TS]

00:09:04   went and toured a house on one of those [TS]

00:09:07   real estate tours where you where you go [TS]

00:09:09   with an agent you look at a house and it [TS]

00:09:13   had this laundry chute in the floor it [TS]

00:09:15   was a it was a house that it was built [TS]

00:09:17   in the early 50s in it architectural [TS]

00:09:19   style that I'm learning to appreciate [TS]

00:09:22   but at some point somebody realized the [TS]

00:09:24   master bedroom was over the laundry room [TS]

00:09:26   I don't know whether that was the day [TS]

00:09:27   they built the house or some subsequent [TS]

00:09:30   time but they were like what this house [TS]

00:09:32   needs is a laundry chute so they just [TS]

00:09:33   cut a square hole in the floor of the [TS]

00:09:36   closet that looked down into the [TS]

00:09:39   basement and so I was looking around the [TS]

00:09:41   house and I looked down this hole and I [TS]

00:09:42   was like oh awesome a hole in the closet [TS]

00:09:46   floor that custard that goes downstairs [TS]

00:09:48   it's meant as a laundry chute but if you [TS]

00:09:51   widened it a little bit I bet it could [TS]

00:09:53   be a monk [TS]

00:09:55   if you want to get out of a place bad [TS]

00:09:58   enough a lot of things can be a monk [TS]

00:10:00   hole oh yes well and this could be like [TS]

00:10:02   a pretty nice monk hole right just you [TS]

00:10:04   know you're like hang on just a second I [TS]

00:10:06   need to go in the closet and then [TS]

00:10:09   where's your closet where'd you go well [TS]

00:10:12   especially it's like burglars pop in and [TS]

00:10:14   they're like we're taking over and I [TS]

00:10:16   would just be like all right listen [TS]

00:10:18   while you guys ransacked the house my [TS]

00:10:20   daughter and I are gonna hide trembling [TS]

00:10:23   in the closet I want to get out of your [TS]

00:10:25   way yeah and then right here buddy [TS]

00:10:29   so I don't want to do that in this house [TS]

00:10:32   I realized so ssam came by he said just [TS]

00:10:35   you know turn me loose here I'm not [TS]

00:10:37   gonna rip you off and I said you know [TS]

00:10:38   what I like a guy who tells me he's not [TS]

00:10:40   gonna rip me off because that's a [TS]

00:10:42   guarantee that he's not gonna rip me off [TS]

00:10:44   word is bond word is bond so sob gets to [TS]

00:10:48   work now some is telling me a thing I [TS]

00:10:51   already know which is look you can pay [TS]

00:10:53   $300 for this or $30,000 if you did it [TS]

00:10:57   John if you would do $80,000 worth of [TS]

00:11:01   work cuz you're out here already with a [TS]

00:11:03   nail file [TS]

00:11:04   like trimming little tiny microscopic [TS]

00:11:07   edges on things that no one else can see [TS]

00:11:10   I'm not going to do that says song I'm [TS]

00:11:14   going to let's be honest hack this back [TS]

00:11:18   together and I was like you know I'm at [TS]

00:11:21   the stage having studied this now for [TS]

00:11:23   weeks yeah that's exactly what I'm [TS]

00:11:25   looking for you hacked this back [TS]

00:11:27   together and then I'll come out and sit [TS]

00:11:30   with a nail file and like trim it up [TS]

00:11:33   handshake so this morning I wake up I [TS]

00:11:37   realize you know I'm doing I'm doing my [TS]

00:11:40   podcast with Merlin it's at our new [TS]

00:11:42   earlier time but I wake up to the sound [TS]

00:11:46   of a circular saw or chop saw going in [TS]

00:11:50   the yard but also to the sound of some [TS]

00:11:54   hammering on the other side of the house [TS]

00:11:56   and I think now wait a minute Psalm [TS]

00:11:59   works alone but also you can tell by the [TS]

00:12:03   sound of the way the chop saw is being [TS]

00:12:06   used the person using it does not know [TS]

00:12:10   how to use a chop saw Oh No [TS]

00:12:12   and I'm thinking first of all some [TS]

00:12:14   serious concerns about that other side [TS]

00:12:16   of the house thing because is that like [TS]

00:12:17   a supporting beam type situation no idea [TS]

00:12:20   but I mean it's a chop saw it's not like [TS]

00:12:21   there it's not they don't ever they [TS]

00:12:23   don't have a like a the handsaw a [TS]

00:12:25   circular like a like a like a circular [TS]

00:12:28   saw that they're just out there chopping [TS]

00:12:29   the house they're they it's the sound of [TS]

00:12:32   a saw that is on a table mm-hmm that's [TS]

00:12:35   being used to chop pieces of wood but [TS]

00:12:40   the person using it cannot doesn't know [TS]

00:12:43   how and you can tell because the chop [TS]

00:12:46   saw it sounds like this that's how it [TS]

00:12:49   should sound and with these kinds of [TS]

00:12:52   things it's a little like being a [TS]

00:12:54   surgeon or you don't like want like [TS]

00:12:55   hesitation wounds when they're going you [TS]

00:12:57   know right you wants decisive I know [TS]

00:13:02   exactly what I'm doing some high level [TS]

00:13:03   Bob Vila shit where you know like I just [TS]

00:13:05   took off an eighth of an inch with the [TS]

00:13:06   chop saw Persis otherwise you're gonna [TS]

00:13:11   get splintering it all stall shit to [TS]

00:13:14   shop so and and so I can hear this [TS]

00:13:18   stop being used and it's going like this [TS]

00:13:20   [Music] [TS]

00:13:28   is that sound I know somnus that can be [TS]

00:13:31   song know so I pop out of the bed and I [TS]

00:13:36   stumbled down the stairs I stumble into [TS]

00:13:40   the kitchen mm-hmm yawn you stretch I do [TS]

00:13:46   yeah the Nathan porch the hallowed [TS]

00:13:58   ground of where the porch used to be [TS]

00:14:04   how's it going didn't she take your [TS]

00:14:06   daughter to school today and I'm like [TS]

00:14:08   Sam already knows my schedule huh I said [TS]

00:14:11   in fact no her mother took her to school [TS]

00:14:13   what's going on and he said oh just [TS]

00:14:15   working just just luckily buck chucking [TS]

00:14:17   along and I said I was listening to the [TS]

00:14:20   sound of a chop saw and it sounded like [TS]

00:14:25   somebody and he said he stopped me right [TS]

00:14:28   there and he kind of leaned in and he [TS]

00:14:31   said I think I think that's the Thai [TS]

00:14:35   people that live behind you and he gave [TS]

00:14:38   me a look that only a Cambodian [TS]

00:14:40   carpenter could give but suggested that [TS]

00:14:43   Thai people don't know how to use a chop [TS]

00:14:45   saw oh he's throwing Cambodian shade he [TS]

00:14:47   is and I was like you know America is [TS]

00:14:51   going strong thing that built this [TS]

00:14:56   country slightly different places from [TS]

00:15:01   just slightly south and he said you said [TS]

00:15:03   yeah the Thai neighbors over there and [TS]

00:15:05   these are new neighbors by the way they [TS]

00:15:06   the the Thai family just moved in behind [TS]

00:15:09   us behind me rather meonsam porch mate [TS]

00:15:17   they like to have evening parties where [TS]

00:15:21   they sit around laughing on the back [TS]

00:15:24   porch which is not a thing the former [TS]

00:15:26   neighbors did so now there's a new sonic [TS]

00:15:29   signature in the evenings of [TS]

00:15:31   people having a lively porch party [TS]

00:15:33   behind me where formerly there was just [TS]

00:15:36   silence that was just not I love silence [TS]

00:15:40   so that has complicated things for sure [TS]

00:15:43   because you know I pop around your sites [TS]

00:15:44   sometimes I'm gonna sleep in this [TS]

00:15:45   bedroom sometimes I move to that bedroom [TS]

00:15:48   it's you know there's a lot going on [TS]

00:15:50   anyway so the chop saw is going in the [TS]

00:15:53   back and I'm like I can't record the [TS]

00:15:55   podcast where I normally do because not [TS]

00:15:58   only what is it irritating just from [TS]

00:16:01   being a loud saw but it's also really [TS]

00:16:03   irritating because it sounds like [TS]

00:16:05   someone is is using a saw improperly [TS]

00:16:09   oh that's very distracting on a lot of [TS]

00:16:11   levels is so I say to Psalm listen I'm [TS]

00:16:14   doing a program upstairs a radio program [TS]

00:16:17   and he looks at me like this is this is [TS]

00:16:21   not the first crazy thing I've said to [TS]

00:16:22   him but it's in the family of crazy [TS]

00:16:25   things that I've said to him in our [TS]

00:16:27   short acquaintance he's like right a [TS]

00:16:29   radio program and I said basically a [TS]

00:16:31   radio program I'm doing upstairs so the [TS]

00:16:35   chop saw is very irritating so I'm gonna [TS]

00:16:38   kind of move to the front of the house [TS]

00:16:39   but that's where you're working so [TS]

00:16:42   anyway just that's just sort of a heads [TS]

00:16:44   up what I'm doing and he said well [TS]

00:16:45   before you go in I was thinking what [TS]

00:16:48   this house needs is to be painted and [TS]

00:16:51   I'm willing right now he goes into this [TS]

00:16:54   like I'm on right now to make you a [TS]

00:16:56   one-time deal on the whole project oh [TS]

00:17:00   boy because I'm about finishing up with [TS]

00:17:02   the porch today well and now and I'm [TS]

00:17:05   like wow but I'm standing on the porch I [TS]

00:17:07   can't see what he's done to the front of [TS]

00:17:09   the porch and I'm frankly I don't want [TS]

00:17:11   to know he's standing in your underpants [TS]

00:17:14   at this point I have put on pants out of [TS]

00:17:16   respect because I don't know what the [TS]

00:17:17   cultural yeah the more conversation of [TS]

00:17:20   the give like carpenter mores yeah there [TS]

00:17:22   are some people you could stand out on [TS]

00:17:23   the porch and your underwear it wouldn't [TS]

00:17:24   be a problem I know I realized that some [TS]

00:17:27   is a Cambodian fella but you know you [TS]

00:17:29   never say anything about the Thai royal [TS]

00:17:30   family you know that right I do know [TS]

00:17:31   that that's that's that's everybody [TS]

00:17:33   eventually learns that in you some [TS]

00:17:34   people learn the hard way there could be [TS]

00:17:36   a thing with Cambodian carpenters and [TS]

00:17:37   Underpants that you just not out of [TS]

00:17:39   cultural insensitivity but culturally uh [TS]

00:17:41   but farming say ignorance you just don't [TS]

00:17:42   know so no I think it's I think [TS]

00:17:44   travelers [TS]

00:17:45   a good choice but she didn't go and [TS]

00:17:46   cross the moat to go get a get a reckon [TS]

00:17:48   on how things were looking no he was in [TS]

00:17:50   the moat I didn't go into the moat with [TS]

00:17:52   him because I had a radio program to do [TS]

00:17:54   okay upstairs you know I learned that I [TS]

00:17:58   learned that don't talk about the Thai [TS]

00:17:59   family before before I did it so I [TS]

00:18:02   didn't make that problem but I did one [TS]

00:18:04   time sitting at a dinner table in Fez [TS]

00:18:10   make a comment about the King of Morocco [TS]

00:18:14   where which which resulted in me being [TS]

00:18:18   kicked under the table by three [TS]

00:18:20   different people oh my gosh and the [TS]

00:18:23   implication was not see the Tyrell [TS]

00:18:25   family don't you don't say anything [TS]

00:18:27   about because they are beloved the [TS]

00:18:30   Tyrells oh the Thai royal family the [TS]

00:18:33   Thai Royals not the type Alan the [TS]

00:18:36   Tyrells know their people have [TS]

00:18:40   complicated feelings about the Tyrells [TS]

00:18:41   yeah but the Thai Royals nice our [TS]

00:18:45   beloved and so you don't like I don't be [TS]

00:18:49   culturally insensitive but when you put [TS]

00:18:51   a giant giant giant portrait of somebody [TS]

00:18:53   in a extravagant outfit and it's a very [TS]

00:19:00   very very large outsized portrait as is [TS]

00:19:02   so often the case that many of the [TS]

00:19:03   Tyrell restaurants it's it's I'm not [TS]

00:19:07   saying you're asking for it but all I [TS]

00:19:08   know is I said to my pal that I went to [TS]

00:19:10   school with who happened to be the [TS]

00:19:11   nephew of the owner of the Thai [TS]

00:19:12   restaurant we went to I was like hey [TS]

00:19:14   what's the deal with no no don't don't [TS]

00:19:19   get my uncle mad like you want to get my [TS]

00:19:21   uncle mad no it's insane nothing about [TS]

00:19:24   the Tyrells no and the thing is if you [TS]

00:19:26   want to if you want to call the Tyrells [TS]

00:19:29   late at night and take an elevator up to [TS]

00:19:32   play a game of chess that's also [TS]

00:19:35   manageable okay but in this situation Oh [TS]

00:19:40   in the Moroccan situation it was not [TS]

00:19:41   that people were like oh our King is so [TS]

00:19:43   beloved don't say anything [TS]

00:19:45   it was kicks under the table indicating [TS]

00:19:47   we don't talk that way in public because [TS]

00:19:52   it's dangerous [TS]

00:19:54   and then everyone sort of smiled and [TS]

00:19:57   we're like the king is amazed [TS]

00:19:58   it was like oh and it was I did not [TS]

00:20:01   until that moment realized that there [TS]

00:20:03   was a element of Moroccan civic life [TS]

00:20:06   that was inhibited somewhat by suspicion [TS]

00:20:11   that there may be but you know okay so [TS]

00:20:13   for example my daughter is not a fan of [TS]

00:20:16   the current president and sometimes she [TS]

00:20:19   will say things that are untoward and we [TS]

00:20:21   kind of have a high-five about it but [TS]

00:20:23   there are certain kinds of things in [TS]

00:20:24   America you know to never say about the [TS]

00:20:30   commander-in-chief sure like one time I [TS]

00:20:33   was in line with the guys from military [TS]

00:20:35   school we were in line to see Gerald [TS]

00:20:36   Ford and I were checking us in and I'm [TS]

00:20:39   one of the guys made a joke by having a [TS]

00:20:40   bomb and not they did not think that was [TS]

00:20:44   funny oh maybe that's our Tyrells it's [TS]

00:20:47   like you don't make that kind of remark [TS]

00:20:48   just because like oh no that's you know [TS]

00:20:50   for the for what you get back on that [TS]

00:20:51   kind of remark the risks are high yes [TS]

00:20:55   yeah that's right you're not gonna want [TS]

00:20:58   me true especially Gerald Ford right now [TS]

00:21:00   yeah probably this is 1979 there was [TS]

00:21:05   discussion that there's guys running up [TS]

00:21:06   and down the aisle saying like nominated [TS]

00:21:08   Ford right will he make a run against [TS]

00:21:11   Ronald Reagan and I it was it was not a [TS]

00:21:14   very interesting event it was Gerald [TS]

00:21:16   Ford but you have to imagine as the guy [TS]

00:21:17   who pardoned Nixon you know his his [TS]

00:21:19   approval ratings went through the floor [TS]

00:21:21   when he did that yeah they did they did [TS]

00:21:22   that costume that cost him a second term [TS]

00:21:25   or something might say a first term [TS]

00:21:28   anyways yeah so I moved by my portable [TS]

00:21:36   podcast studio to the front of the house [TS]

00:21:38   to escape the chop saw okay but then as [TS]

00:21:42   I'm setting up I'm getting ready to go [TS]

00:21:43   I'm talking to you on the text I'm like [TS]

00:21:45   here we go but it's complicated out here [TS]

00:21:47   there's a very if I may you say there is [TS]

00:21:49   a very complicated sonic posture here at [TS]

00:21:52   the moment mm-hmm I'm hoping it will [TS]

00:21:53   resolve favorably that's right [TS]

00:21:56   immediately after typing that I hear the [TS]

00:22:01   portable transistor radio now I'm [TS]

00:22:04   talking about a transistor radio the [TS]

00:22:06   size of a pack of cigarettes kind of [TS]

00:22:08   like you might get you [TS]

00:22:11   in Phnom Penh in 1971 okay [TS]

00:22:16   battery-powered two knobs right the FM [TS]

00:22:20   tune tune in volume 2 volume right I [TS]

00:22:23   think even he wears a little hearing aid [TS]

00:22:26   earpieces right well you can or you can [TS]

00:22:29   just have it play out of its 5 cent [TS]

00:22:31   speaker you just explode it's like 6 [TS]

00:22:33   inch speaker whatever so that psalm [TS]

00:22:35   carries that on his belt okay okay [TS]

00:22:38   and it is playing an inscrutable mixture [TS]

00:22:41   of and I shouldn't have used the word [TS]

00:22:43   inscrutable it is playing no it is [TS]

00:22:44   playing a difficult to parse a good at [TS]

00:22:48   nasse of some kind of music but also [TS]

00:22:52   talking but it's very hard to make it [TS]

00:22:55   out because it's coming out of a speaker [TS]

00:23:00   but but it always it's all it's like his [TS]

00:23:03   theme music that plays whenever he came [TS]

00:23:05   to me and he is getting something out of [TS]

00:23:09   it he's carrying it around he's learned [TS]

00:23:11   anything from movies like Full Metal [TS]

00:23:13   Jacket you know that the music that you [TS]

00:23:15   have fine something can be very taking [TS]

00:23:17   Apocalypse Now that becomes very [TS]

00:23:19   memorable [TS]

00:23:19   it may mean fortunate you know that's [TS]

00:23:22   right Forrest Gump am I thinking of [TS]

00:23:30   Forrest Gump that was very popular movie [TS]

00:23:33   yeah for fortune Sons in a lot of movies [TS]

00:23:35   it's cowboy boots Creek Bop is in all [TS]

00:23:37   the commercials now there's at least two [TS]

00:23:45   commercials over watching a lot of CNN [TS]

00:23:46   because I'm always in the path of the [TS]

00:23:47   hurricane and the yes Anthony Bourdain [TS]

00:23:52   has a show he can't believe it's already [TS]

00:23:55   the tenth season of this show [TS]

00:23:56   alright he's pretty Punk yeah and then [TS]

00:23:58   there's another one it might might be [TS]

00:24:00   for boner medicine I'm not sure but [TS]

00:24:01   blitzkrieg bop like walking on sunshine [TS]

00:24:03   a lot appears in a lot of medicine ads [TS]

00:24:06   and various things did you know that [TS]

00:24:09   walking on sunshine is the song that [TS]

00:24:11   kept till Tuesday's voices carry out of [TS]

00:24:16   the top spot on the charts until you say [TS]

00:24:19   and as a consequence a me man hates when [TS]

00:24:25   you reference [TS]

00:24:25   the song walking on sunshine that's so [TS]

00:24:27   interesting I love any man but I really [TS]

00:24:29   also hate when people mention that song [TS]

00:24:31   what's hilarious to me is that because [TS]

00:24:35   as you know I love to find a chink in [TS]

00:24:37   someone's armor well it's well it either [TS]

00:24:40   yes but no I know that's the first thing [TS]

00:24:42   you do you size somebody up you look [TS]

00:24:43   them up and down you go what's this [TS]

00:24:44   person super insecure about yeah right I [TS]

00:24:47   mean it's something you have control [TS]

00:24:50   over I think it's on you just superpower [TS]

00:24:52   it's what you have in power right [TS]

00:24:53   Cyclops to turn off his eyes you know [TS]

00:24:56   it's like sang sang to the girl with the [TS]

00:24:58   white stripe and her hair oh don't touch [TS]

00:24:59   anybody with your hands right stripey [TS]

00:25:01   all right it's like stress yeah stripy [TS]

00:25:03   yeah so conscious about that I think any [TS]

00:25:08   time it comes up in conversation I'm [TS]

00:25:10   always like Oh Amy you know diecut are [TS]

00:25:12   you gonna play walking on sunshine [TS]

00:25:26   so I'm sitting in the other room getting [TS]

00:25:30   ready to broadcast and I hear Psalms [TS]

00:25:32   radio but it turns out Psalm is on the [TS]

00:25:35   roof wait a minute [TS]

00:25:38   some is now standing outside my bedroom [TS]

00:25:41   window and he is talking to himself [TS]

00:25:47   which I also knew he did know but I can [TS]

00:25:50   never get close enough to him to know [TS]

00:25:52   what he's talking about because he stops [TS]

00:25:54   talking to himself whenever he sees me [TS]

00:25:55   or for people so talk to themselves do [TS]

00:25:58   not like it when you notice they talk to [TS]

00:26:00   themselves and they really hate it when [TS]

00:26:02   you ask them what they were saying this [TS]

00:26:05   experience I'm just telling you if [TS]

00:26:06   you're around somebody talks to [TS]

00:26:07   themselves and you ask him about it it's [TS]

00:26:09   it's like it's like knocking on the door [TS]

00:26:10   while somebody's pooping like that well [TS]

00:26:12   do you know what you're not allowed to [TS]

00:26:13   even act like this is happening listen [TS]

00:26:15   this is like getting kicked when you [TS]

00:26:17   talk about the king of Morocco's it's [TS]

00:26:19   not a thing I'm gonna do right I'm not [TS]

00:26:21   gonna walk up on somebody and be like [TS]

00:26:22   key turn your transistor radio down and [TS]

00:26:24   tell me what the hell you were talking [TS]

00:26:25   to yourself about right what why all my [TS]

00:26:28   roofs um no no I don't want to know that [TS]

00:26:30   you don't [TS]

00:26:31   now I so Psalm is right on the other [TS]

00:26:33   side of my window and the curtains are [TS]

00:26:35   drawn so he doesn't know that I'm in [TS]

00:26:36   there I just told him I was doing [TS]

00:26:38   Oh show he thinks that he thinks I'm in [TS]

00:26:40   some some radio studio somewhere okay [TS]

00:26:43   and I'm listening to him talk to himself [TS]

00:26:45   and he's talking to himself quite [TS]

00:26:48   audibly and as though talking to another [TS]

00:26:52   person and he's saying oh no this [TS]

00:26:55   doesn't look too bad well wait a minute [TS]

00:26:56   English yeah he talked himself in [TS]

00:26:59   English he talks to himself in English [TS]

00:27:02   some is Cambodian but he has lived in [TS]

00:27:06   America for a long time he is no he's [TS]

00:27:13   actual like first gen immigrant he said [TS]

00:27:16   to me one time so Sam's been around here [TS]

00:27:18   for a little bit I should have indicated [TS]

00:27:20   that Psalms been we've been interacting [TS]

00:27:22   quite a bit and it's because and one of [TS]

00:27:25   the other things he does is he says see [TS]

00:27:26   you tomorrow and then at 9:00 in the [TS]

00:27:28   morning he texts me and says I'm not [TS]

00:27:30   coming today okay and weird but he and I [TS]

00:27:33   are very much alike in that and I just I [TS]

00:27:36   respect that enormously yeah all right [TS]

00:27:38   but I mean you know be careful if you [TS]

00:27:40   marry or hire someone who's too much [TS]

00:27:41   like yourself you know what I'm saying [TS]

00:27:43   Oh to this point the porch he does end [TS]

00:27:48   up coming okay and I'm like okay you're [TS]

00:27:51   here but well so we were out in the barn [TS]

00:27:53   one day and Sam said are those Vespas [TS]

00:27:56   but he pronounced the v like a W he said [TS]

00:27:59   are those West's and I said they are and [TS]

00:28:02   he said Wow when I was a kid you had to [TS]

00:28:05   be a rich rich guy to own one of those [TS]

00:28:07   and you have two of them and I said yeah [TS]

00:28:10   I mean they but neither one of them is [TS]

00:28:12   really in tip-top shape right now [TS]

00:28:14   and he said still you know maybe the [TS]

00:28:17   deal he had a real he had a real I'm [TS]

00:28:20   saying he does the porch she does the [TS]

00:28:21   pain he fixes the roof and maybe fixes [TS]

00:28:23   your West bus [TS]

00:28:23   oh I don't want them fixed by ssam [TS]

00:28:26   because I met a guy not very long ago so [TS]

00:28:30   my daughter had a play date with a [TS]

00:28:31   little girl and it was a situation that [TS]

00:28:34   was set up by a mom let's be honest a [TS]

00:28:37   busybody mom hmm at the elementary [TS]

00:28:40   school who said you know what we need we [TS]

00:28:42   need first graders to mentor [TS]

00:28:45   kindergarteners mm-hmm we do little of [TS]

00:28:47   that and I heard this and it wasn't [TS]

00:28:49   something that had happened when [TS]

00:28:51   my daughter was a kindergartner and I [TS]

00:28:52   said you know what we do need that why [TS]

00:28:54   didn't we have that one you know what [TS]

00:28:56   why didn't we have that before it was [TS]

00:28:58   like we always had this she's like [TS]

00:28:59   that's what I'm saying so I said for [TS]

00:29:01   everybody that's right good for the [TS]

00:29:04   first grader is good for the parents [TS]

00:29:05   it's good for the school so I said as a [TS]

00:29:09   father I volunteered my daughter on on [TS]

00:29:11   her behalf I said she would love to set [TS]

00:29:14   up a playdate with a kindergartner and [TS]

00:29:18   because I knew that she would and so we [TS]

00:29:20   set up a playdate with this young lady [TS]

00:29:22   who was very self possessed young woman [TS]

00:29:25   who's about to begin [TS]

00:29:26   kindergarten and we went over to her [TS]

00:29:30   house and we played together with her [TS]

00:29:32   and watching these two little girls [TS]

00:29:35   interact because it turns out there are [TS]

00:29:37   only six months apart and at one point [TS]

00:29:40   Harper came over I'm sorry the little [TS]

00:29:43   girl came over to her mother and said [TS]

00:29:45   and her mom said cuz the mom and I are [TS]

00:29:47   chatting the mom said how's it going and [TS]

00:29:50   she said I think I'm I think I'm done [TS]

00:29:53   now I mean I've I've met this girl and [TS]

00:29:56   it's I feel like I'd feel like we've [TS]

00:29:59   completed this mission because she was [TS]

00:30:02   her mother you know for warned me that [TS]

00:30:04   she was shy in particular and her mom [TS]

00:30:08   said well honey this isn't we're not [TS]

00:30:11   ending this now you're gonna have to go [TS]

00:30:13   back in and play with John's little girl [TS]

00:30:16   some more and Harper was like okay and [TS]

00:30:20   turned around and kind of went and she [TS]

00:30:21   she came and did this because my little [TS]

00:30:23   girl was up in her room still playing [TS]

00:30:25   happily contentedly with her toys yeah [TS]

00:30:27   we're not done with the mentoring yet [TS]

00:30:28   yeah and then then later on my little [TS]

00:30:32   girl came down and said yeah okay I [TS]

00:30:34   think I'm ready to go and I said oh what [TS]

00:30:37   was your favorite part about being here [TS]

00:30:39   on this playdate and she said hmm her [TS]

00:30:42   toys and I was like I think we need to [TS]

00:30:45   go back and and do some more playing and [TS]

00:30:48   shit my and my low girl went okay and [TS]

00:30:51   then whatever they crossed whatever [TS]

00:30:54   little girl Rubicon they needed to cross [TS]

00:30:55   and they got on the other side and then [TS]

00:30:58   they were a war with Rome Rome being me [TS]

00:31:01   yeah and [TS]

00:31:02   [Music] [TS]

00:31:03   then they were they could have played [TS]

00:31:05   together for 14 hours from that they [TS]

00:31:06   were they had become friends you know [TS]

00:31:09   whatever it happened they become friends [TS]

00:31:11   and now they were inseparable and [TS]

00:31:13   mission accomplished and I liked her [TS]

00:31:15   parents very much but as we're leaving [TS]

00:31:18   they opened the garage door to put the [TS]

00:31:22   little battery-powered Merce pink [TS]

00:31:25   Mercedes Benz that her grandparents had [TS]

00:31:27   bought for her back in the garage [TS]

00:31:30   Wow the garage door opens the garage is [TS]

00:31:33   full of Lambrettas there's pie that's a [TS]

00:31:36   different kind of WestBow that's a [TS]

00:31:38   different kind of West but there are [TS]

00:31:39   five and it's the kind of whisper that [TS]

00:31:41   if you're a whisper person for many [TS]

00:31:43   years and you decide that this is the [TS]

00:31:46   life you're gonna lead you graduate to [TS]

00:31:50   Lambretta so they're one of those we [TS]

00:31:51   always get the nicest one families well [TS]

00:31:54   I got the nicest pink Mercedes and they [TS]

00:31:56   got the nicest West bus which are [TS]

00:31:57   actually went brightest although they [TS]

00:31:59   say and they were both quick to say they [TS]

00:32:03   were both quick to apologize for the [TS]

00:32:04   pink Mercedes Benz by saying like the [TS]

00:32:08   grandparents bought this it isn't it's a [TS]

00:32:09   it's a gaudy thing it's not a thing we [TS]

00:32:11   ever would have bought and I said don't [TS]

00:32:13   worry don't worry no judgment here and [TS]

00:32:16   then garage full Lambrettas and I was [TS]

00:32:20   like Lambrettas the thing about [TS]

00:32:22   Lambrettas is if you see one you know [TS]

00:32:24   everything about this person now you [TS]

00:32:27   know everything [TS]

00:32:28   okay you know you know they like to [TS]

00:32:30   tinker you know they're meticulous these [TS]

00:32:32   are materially nicely maintained [TS]

00:32:34   Lambrettas you know they're meticulous [TS]

00:32:36   you know that they are all kinds of [TS]

00:32:39   things right I mean they're mod clearly [TS]

00:32:42   deeply mod but also Jessica's are you [TS]

00:32:46   more of a rocker I am right but I'm but [TS]

00:32:49   my vest but I'm one of these I'm a mud [TS]

00:32:51   duck all right I get in that given that [TS]

00:32:54   mud I'm a dirty rider right my bike is [TS]

00:32:57   intentionally rusty and fucked up and [TS]

00:33:00   you know dirty it's got a sticker on it [TS]

00:33:04   that says aviation gasoline only you [TS]

00:33:07   know I'm that guy I'm the one that's [TS]

00:33:09   like you know I don't know it's not like [TS]

00:33:10   I have a machine gun mounted to it but [TS]

00:33:11   it's the gear head yeah I'm not the one [TS]

00:33:14   that's a like that's out there restoring [TS]

00:33:16   some rare and so the the dad comes down [TS]

00:33:19   and he's a nice when we start talking [TS]

00:33:20   Lambrettas and he's like well you know [TS]

00:33:22   this one they didn't even have never [TS]

00:33:23   imported there's only 85 of them in the [TS]

00:33:25   world it's like some super sport mom [TS]

00:33:28   that's not our that's not our think it's [TS]

00:33:31   not our big thing but this is something [TS]

00:33:33   else and I was like these are gorgeous [TS]

00:33:34   he said yeah well here's the problem [TS]

00:33:37   like my grandmother my father-in-law or [TS]

00:33:42   my uncle in law or somebody like this [TS]

00:33:44   has this Porsche that he wants to give [TS]

00:33:48   us and I was like tell me more do you [TS]

00:33:52   really have my attention now sir mm-hmm [TS]

00:33:54   and he said it's this 1966 911s and I'm [TS]

00:34:00   like you know and I start to I'm [TS]

00:34:02   sweating now you know breaking ends and [TS]

00:34:05   he's like and the thing is I want to [TS]

00:34:07   keep it here because he doesn't want it [TS]

00:34:08   anymore you know and I'm just thinking [TS]

00:34:10   like this cars were so much money at [TS]

00:34:12   this car so credible I'm sure it's [TS]

00:34:14   meticulously maintained and he says I [TS]

00:34:17   want to keep it in the garage but I [TS]

00:34:18   don't know what to do with these [TS]

00:34:19   Lambrettas I don't want to just Park him [TS]

00:34:21   yeah I don't want to get a storage space [TS]

00:34:23   and I said you know I have a barn mm-hmm [TS]

00:34:27   you could in return for fixing up my [TS]

00:34:31   Vespas to this Lambretta standard you [TS]

00:34:34   could keep all five of these Lambrettas [TS]

00:34:36   in my barn and they would have I would [TS]

00:34:38   have such a cool barn at that point it [TS]

00:34:41   would be like a freakin Lambretta [TS]

00:34:43   showroom I see you're making room for [TS]

00:34:46   the 1966 911 asked by moving the [TS]

00:34:49   Lambrettas to John's barn where they [TS]

00:34:50   close with the West bus that's right [TS]

00:34:53   it's a kind of motor play date a motor [TS]

00:34:56   play date precisely he can come and [TS]

00:34:58   tinker not only on his Lambrettas but [TS]

00:35:01   now tinker on because there are a lot of [TS]

00:35:03   people that like a project right so I [TS]

00:35:17   have a little friend who likes to come [TS]

00:35:19   visit me and she comes into my house and [TS]

00:35:21   immediately begins knowing all of my [TS]

00:35:24   belongings [TS]

00:35:25   which is which is wonderful because she [TS]

00:35:30   does not want me around for it so she [TS]

00:35:34   basically is like shoo go run and play [TS]

00:35:37   John I'm busy now she's like that like [TS]

00:35:40   that shrimp in Finding Nemo right she's [TS]

00:35:44   got a clean she can't stop cleaning well [TS]

00:35:46   but it's it's cleaning isn't her thing [TS]

00:35:48   it's organized right no when only [TS]

00:35:51   knowing Ivan I have another friend [TS]

00:35:53   you've met her [TS]

00:35:54   the lady motorcycle gang mistress [TS]

00:35:57   yes who said she wants to come spend a [TS]

00:36:00   week ere at my house just getting rid of [TS]

00:36:02   stuff she said I just want to come here [TS]

00:36:06   and just help you by getting rid of [TS]

00:36:07   stuff it's nice that for a man who has [TS]

00:36:09   so many projects that he could do so [TS]

00:36:11   many other people particularly women [TS]

00:36:12   also be a project right well women who [TS]

00:36:15   make me a project or my projects their [TS]

00:36:17   projects my little friend who Knowles [TS]

00:36:22   has know she goes around and I find [TS]

00:36:31   little places where she's an old things [TS]

00:36:33   that I didn't mean I wasn't even aware [TS]

00:36:34   of before she know like ants do or [TS]

00:36:37   something well she went across the top [TS]

00:36:40   of the piano and she put all of the [TS]

00:36:41   people's business cards that I've [TS]

00:36:44   received in the last two years like all [TS]

00:36:45   in little piles but hilariously weeks [TS]

00:36:49   after she left I realized that she had [TS]

00:36:51   moved a very very heavy vintage desk [TS]

00:36:54   from one part of the house to another [TS]

00:36:56   and taken a lightweight desk from that [TS]

00:36:58   part of the house and put it where the [TS]

00:36:59   heavy desk was and I swear to you I [TS]

00:37:02   don't think I could have moved that's a [TS]

00:37:04   high level knowing yeah she's a hundred [TS]

00:37:06   pound person and she's moving big big [TS]

00:37:09   pieces of furniture around and and doing [TS]

00:37:11   it in a context where there are big big [TS]

00:37:14   other things in the way huge other [TS]

00:37:17   things that she would have to navigate [TS]

00:37:19   carrying this desk that I'm not sure I [TS]

00:37:21   could have carried it was a magic trick [TS]

00:37:23   because I didn't even notice it she [TS]

00:37:25   didn't point it out she was gone for [TS]

00:37:28   days and days and I was walking through [TS]

00:37:30   the room and I was like wait a minute [TS]

00:37:31   how did that table get in here there [TS]

00:37:33   used to be a really heavy desk there [TS]

00:37:35   and then I like walked really slowly [TS]

00:37:37   through the house kind of peering around [TS]

00:37:39   the corner like is that desk over it is [TS]

00:37:44   how did that go how could she I have no [TS]

00:37:49   idea how could she have known to do it [TS]

00:37:51   first of all because it was the right [TS]

00:37:52   move [TS]

00:37:53   that's what's the amazing thing [TS]

00:37:55   shit-shit the method the means and the [TS]

00:37:57   opportunity somehow I was gone I was [TS]

00:38:01   gone from the house she shooed me out of [TS]

00:38:02   here because she was at the time like no [TS]

00:38:04   lling marbles mm-hmm you know matchbooks [TS]

00:38:09   and when I came back later all this [TS]

00:38:12   magic could happen I wasn't even aware [TS]

00:38:13   of it and she of course wouldn't have [TS]

00:38:14   pointed it out because it's not her [TS]

00:38:16   style [TS]

00:38:16   so Psalm is outside the window I'm about [TS]

00:38:21   I'm waiting for you to call me and [TS]

00:38:23   Psalms up there going well I think I [TS]

00:38:26   could probably do that oh look at this [TS]

00:38:28   how am I gonna get that well you know [TS]

00:38:30   what I could do I could take that and [TS]

00:38:32   he's like actually poking on the window [TS]

00:38:35   with a little with a little screwdriver [TS]

00:38:36   yeah like three feet from me as I sit [TS]

00:38:41   with my headphones on prepared to [TS]

00:38:43   receive your phone call and I'm like the [TS]

00:38:46   sonic posture here is very complicated [TS]

00:38:48   right now [TS]

00:38:49   I don't know how long song I don't know [TS]

00:38:51   why Psalms on the roof I don't know how [TS]

00:38:53   long he's going to be on the roof if I [TS]

00:38:55   move back into the other room [TS]

00:38:57   I hear the bad saw I don't know what I [TS]

00:39:02   have a lot of rooms in this house I [TS]

00:39:03   don't know what room to be in because [TS]

00:39:05   there is very complicated like Southeast [TS]

00:39:10   Asian construction techniques being [TS]

00:39:12   exhibited in every corner right and then [TS]

00:39:16   I heard some I heard his radio sort of [TS]

00:39:20   retreat into the distance [TS]

00:39:22   but I wasn't confident that he wasn't [TS]

00:39:24   going to start fixing my bedroom window [TS]

00:39:28   which is not a thing that we had agreed [TS]

00:39:30   it sounds like that's a lot of scope but [TS]

00:39:33   he's industrious and he is he's [TS]

00:39:38   recognizes in my house that there are a [TS]

00:39:39   lot of things that need to get done and [TS]

00:39:41   he's like you know after I've hacked [TS]

00:39:42   this porch back together one and I [TS]

00:39:44   hacked this window back together he's [TS]

00:39:47   like he's got a vision [TS]

00:39:48   I think he does I think his vision is [TS]

00:39:51   partly to stay employed mm-hmm and he [TS]

00:39:54   likes it out here I like having him here [TS]

00:39:56   we'll just have to see we'll have to see [TS]

00:40:00   next steps because I have to go down [TS]

00:40:01   into the trench and see exactly where [TS]

00:40:04   we're at I think he wants to be retained [TS]

00:40:05   on an ongoing basis well because our [TS]

00:40:08   current arrangement is this is an [TS]

00:40:11   impossible project to bid why don't I [TS]

00:40:12   just start working on and I'll get back [TS]

00:40:14   to you she might be over $300 at this [TS]

00:40:16   point so that lost the floor at this [TS]

00:40:18   point I'm guessing we're over 300 but [TS]

00:40:21   were under 3,000 oh good good so anyway [TS]

00:40:26   I moved when you called I was in the [TS]

00:40:28   process of walking the entire podcast [TS]

00:40:30   studio through the hall back to the room [TS]

00:40:33   where the annoying saw was because it [TS]

00:40:37   sounds like what they did over there [TS]

00:40:39   what the Thai carpenters were doing is [TS]

00:40:41   cutting all the wood at once they were [TS]

00:40:44   making almond Minka interesting for a [TS]

00:40:48   project or for practice it sounded like [TS]

00:40:50   that I don't know what they're building [TS]

00:40:52   mm-hmm but it sounded like they cut 40 [TS]

00:40:55   pieces of wood or whatever they were [TS]

00:40:59   cutting I don't know they might have [TS]

00:41:00   been you know what they might have been [TS]

00:41:02   cutting up encyclopedias I have no no [TS]

00:41:08   thing your mind turns over though right [TS]

00:41:11   I don't know what that could be that's a [TS]

00:41:12   very strange sound for the saw to make [TS]

00:41:13   that that many times yeah you know are [TS]

00:41:16   there a lot of bases and cuts going on [TS]

00:41:17   what were they doing back there maybe [TS]

00:41:18   they have a 20-6 set of encyclopedias [TS]

00:41:20   old encyclopedias including the yearbook [TS]

00:41:24   they like to laugh we know that and [TS]

00:41:26   maybe it's just like what are we gonna [TS]

00:41:29   do with these old med libs or something [TS]

00:41:31   they love to laugh all this stuff is on [TS]

00:41:34   the internet now why why do we even have [TS]

00:41:35   this here let's cut them up with the [TS]

00:41:37   song right okay but it seems like [TS]

00:41:39   they've cooled it out and now I'm in the [TS]

00:41:41   backroom Psalm could be on the roof as [TS]

00:41:43   far as I know but and they the the tie [TS]

00:41:47   family could be like now burning the [TS]

00:41:49   Encyclopedia I mean boy this is a lots [TS]

00:41:56   of crock do you feel like this is [TS]

00:41:59   something you need to check in on do you [TS]

00:42:00   want to do a check in with Psalm and [TS]

00:42:02   you know pause a minute no I feel like [TS]

00:42:05   for the length of this podcast I am [TS]

00:42:06   willing to just let things roll I'm [TS]

00:42:10   gonna leave them agents fall I'm gonna [TS]

00:42:13   let those chips fall if I come out in [TS]

00:42:15   the front and SAAM has built the rebuilt [TS]

00:42:18   the porch so that it looks like the bow [TS]

00:42:20   of a ship or if he has rebuilt the porch [TS]

00:42:24   so that was like pretty sharp look I [TS]

00:42:26   gotta tell you he's sharp look if he's [TS]

00:42:28   made it look like the monitor fighting [TS]

00:42:31   the Merrimack that would be an [TS]

00:42:34   interesting like any any kind of [TS]

00:42:36   nautical porch would be a good look if [TS]

00:42:37   it look like a u-boat that would be nice [TS]

00:42:39   too Oh wouldn't that be a cool porch [TS]

00:42:43   with something with some you know [TS]

00:42:45   there's a couple things kind of mine for [TS]

00:42:47   some reason I'm thinking of that I don't [TS]

00:42:49   know it seems like an important metaphor [TS]

00:42:51   for me you know they're always painting [TS]

00:42:52   the Golden Gate Bridge they're never not [TS]

00:42:54   painting the Golden Gate Bridge it takes [TS]

00:42:57   one but not a person here because it's [TS]

00:43:00   more than one person but they're never [TS]

00:43:01   not painting the Golden Gate Bridge [TS]

00:43:02   there's always paint you paint you paint [TS]

00:43:04   then you repaint repaint so that's a [TS]

00:43:06   project that goes on and on you never [TS]

00:43:07   say oh we're done painting the Golden [TS]

00:43:09   Gate Bridge because that's just the [TS]

00:43:10   thing we do all the time [TS]

00:43:11   and you think about that that's a [TS]

00:43:13   certain kind of to me very interesting [TS]

00:43:14   mindset about how one does one's work [TS]

00:43:16   and I'm wondering if that's the kind of [TS]

00:43:18   thing that Psalm is bringing to the [TS]

00:43:19   situation does he have any idea how will [TS]

00:43:21   he know when he's done with house hmm [TS]

00:43:23   how will I know because there's uh yeah [TS]

00:43:26   exactly but if he is it in his bailiwick [TS]

00:43:29   as you say is it in his wheelhouse is it [TS]

00:43:31   in his estimation that he could say to [TS]

00:43:33   you John here's the big picture this is [TS]

00:43:35   why right now because you seem oddly and [TS]

00:43:39   curious about Tom's methods and means [TS]

00:43:41   and I'm wondering if that a certain [TS]

00:43:43   point you want to sit down maybe with [TS]

00:43:45   little little memo pad maybe kind of [TS]

00:43:46   write down some ideas about what the [TS]

00:43:48   scope of this project is the budget a [TS]

00:43:50   timeline kinds of things somebody like [TS]

00:43:52   me thinks about this is more of a human [TS]

00:43:54   experiment the thing is that if I were [TS]

00:43:57   in Psalms place and he were in mind and [TS]

00:43:59   we had established the more we should [TS]

00:44:01   offer that maybe you should come over to [TS]

00:44:02   his house well the thing is that I think [TS]

00:44:05   that he typically has he's able to get [TS]

00:44:07   up in the morning turn his transistor [TS]

00:44:09   radio on and go to work in a way that I [TS]

00:44:11   do not prefer so for now at least I feel [TS]

00:44:15   like we're in [TS]

00:44:16   right place in the world but if our [TS]

00:44:19   places were reversed and he had [TS]

00:44:21   exhibited the trust in me that I have [TS]

00:44:23   exhibited in him I think I would [TS]

00:44:26   absolutely be on his roof in a heartbeat [TS]

00:44:29   okay but because to see to rule it out [TS]

00:44:32   though you're not I mean now if it's me [TS]

00:44:35   cuz I'm wired real different from you I [TS]

00:44:37   would be thinking oh my god is this [TS]

00:44:40   gonna turn into a sudden invoice for [TS]

00:44:43   $27,000 oh and I go and then you go whoa [TS]

00:44:47   ssam this is a little more than I was [TS]

00:44:49   expecting is like what do you think I'm [TS]

00:44:50   here with my transistor radio most days [TS]

00:44:52   yeah what do you think this kind of [TS]

00:44:54   thing costs if you if you want your [TS]

00:44:56   house to look like part of a boat that [TS]

00:44:57   doesn't come cheap right you never [TS]

00:44:59   talked about a budget I assumed that [TS]

00:45:01   this guy was as they say the limit I [TS]

00:45:03   have a good idea well first of all as [TS]

00:45:06   the doctor who ended up sending me to [TS]

00:45:09   the psychiatrist once said that is an [TS]

00:45:11   excellent dependent clause you are [TS]

00:45:17   pretty suspicious of doctors but you [TS]

00:45:21   know what I didn't come to you oh sure [TS]

00:45:25   right she said that's exactly the kind [TS]

00:45:27   of thing a doctor would say yeah she [TS]

00:45:29   said you're sitting in here bagging on [TS]

00:45:30   doctors now but it's not like I came to [TS]

00:45:32   you for help and I was like to shade [TS]

00:45:36   doctor lady and she said so I'm gonna [TS]

00:45:39   send you to this psychiatrist you can go [TS]

00:45:41   or not and I was like you know what [TS]

00:45:43   thank goodness for New York doctors [TS]

00:45:44   because the Seattle doctor would have [TS]

00:45:47   just wrung their hands but you just said [TS]

00:45:50   you just did you talk to me like a New [TS]

00:45:53   York City policeman you were like you [TS]

00:45:54   can go do it or not I don't give a fuck [TS]

00:45:56   yeah I get the way mm-hmm so in this [TS]

00:45:59   situation [TS]

00:46:00   some could reasonably say I'm not the [TS]

00:46:04   one who tore apart your port and I could [TS]

00:46:08   say true don't play the porch card so I [TS]

00:46:12   don't have to so he doesn't have to say [TS]

00:46:14   that because I already know that he's [TS]

00:46:16   gonna say it right so he's on the roof [TS]

00:46:17   and if I go out and say some this is a [TS]

00:46:21   little bit of mission creep why are you [TS]

00:46:23   on the roof he's gonna say look I didn't [TS]

00:46:25   tear apart your porch no you can I'm not [TS]

00:46:28   I don't have any track record of [TS]

00:46:30   your house tearing shit apart do I I'm [TS]

00:46:33   the guy putting shit back together [TS]

00:46:35   aren't I and I'd be like yes [TS]

00:46:37   so he's like so if I'm on your roof [TS]

00:46:39   doing something it's probably putting [TS]

00:46:41   stuff back together not tearing it apart [TS]

00:46:42   oh it's got his version of whatever's in [TS]

00:46:44   the shows in the show right [TS]

00:46:47   except it's your house and the thing is [TS]

00:46:48   I know what needs fixed up there yeah if [TS]

00:46:51   he's poking on the window and saying oh [TS]

00:46:52   I think I could get this done I know [TS]

00:46:54   what that is I know what he's seen cuz [TS]

00:46:56   I've been on the right looking at it [TS]

00:46:58   I've been sitting on a broken park bench [TS]

00:46:59   on my own roof looking at it going oh [TS]

00:47:02   Jesus come to your house and slot the [TS]

00:47:03   rollin 808 out of your mouth that's [TS]

00:47:05   right I know because one of the things [TS]

00:47:09   that I liked about this house was that [TS]

00:47:10   it had not had its old windows replaced [TS]

00:47:12   by new vinyl windows but that means that [TS]

00:47:16   what's nice about it is that the glass [TS]

00:47:19   is all wavy oh yeah [TS]

00:47:21   because as you know glass is a liquid [TS]

00:47:23   uh-huh and it's still in motion and it [TS]

00:47:28   gets all wavy over the course that's [TS]

00:47:29   alive in a lot of ways it's alive that's [TS]

00:47:32   its life it's alive with the sound of [TS]

00:47:34   music but these windows are not [TS]

00:47:40   manufactured they're made they got a [TS]

00:47:43   bunch of glass out here they had a bunch [TS]

00:47:46   old-fashioned carpenters who knew how to [TS]

00:47:48   make things and they were just making [TS]

00:47:50   windows mm-hmm [TS]

00:47:52   they're one of the guys on the [TS]

00:47:53   construction site there was the guy who [TS]

00:47:55   was driving the team of horses there was [TS]

00:47:57   the guy who you know who had goggles on [TS]

00:48:00   that was running the steam-powered [TS]

00:48:02   spaceship mm-hmm and there was a glacier [TS]

00:48:05   is that where you have a glacier that's [TS]

00:48:06   what you have a glacier do yeah he was [TS]

00:48:08   out here making Windows and it isn't one [TS]

00:48:10   of those Henry Ford type situations [TS]

00:48:12   where you can just grab any any window [TS]

00:48:13   and stick it in any hole this is a [TS]

00:48:15   bespoke glacier window for a given hole [TS]

00:48:19   right and Psalm was walking around the [TS]

00:48:21   house and he was like oh right it's all [TS]

00:48:23   these one every single window is [TS]

00:48:24   different it's all custom windows built [TS]

00:48:26   by built by a glazier to fit the hole [TS]

00:48:29   that was cut by the carpenter who was [TS]

00:48:32   eyeballing it too because this was a [TS]

00:48:34   farmhouse and they were like nine guys [TS]

00:48:36   dressed like locomotive engineers but [TS]

00:48:39   the glazier in the window Lee a have to [TS]

00:48:41   work together they have to they have to [TS]

00:48:42   have they have to agree on the whole at [TS]

00:48:44   some point right they have to order they [TS]

00:48:46   have to shake hands and say here's how [TS]

00:48:48   big this whole is probably gonna be so [TS]

00:48:51   Psalms out there what he's looking at is [TS]

00:48:52   one of these windows and so he is he's [TS]

00:48:55   on the windows at this point he I think [TS]

00:48:57   that's what he was doing he was looking [TS]

00:48:59   at windows and he was like I'm gonna [TS]

00:49:01   have to rebuild this windows we're gonna [TS]

00:49:03   do this right no an upstairs window come [TS]

00:49:09   on Ruth okay and I'm listening [TS]

00:49:12   you know I'm listening to him through [TS]

00:49:14   that window through that self same [TS]

00:49:16   window oh I see talk to himself as he's [TS]

00:49:18   like I think I could do that oh look at [TS]

00:49:20   this yeah I got probably well this would [TS]

00:49:22   only be and I'm like yes yes yes okay [TS]

00:49:25   okay okay good don't you know for a [TS]

00:49:27   moment doubt that this all needs to be [TS]

00:49:29   related he's seeing the house as I am [TS]

00:49:34   yes you're curious about where this is [TS]

00:49:36   going how how we got from a missing [TS]

00:49:39   porch and a trench to talking about [TS]

00:49:41   Windows yeah and I think in painting I [TS]

00:49:44   feel like once you if you're the surgeon [TS]

00:49:47   and you open up the body mm-hm and [TS]

00:49:48   you're in there to address a tumor [TS]

00:49:51   uh-huh and then you find a house key in [TS]

00:49:54   there are you gonna leave it in are you [TS]

00:49:55   gonna take it out you gonna wake the guy [TS]

00:49:57   up and make him sign something no yeah [TS]

00:49:59   deal with what you've got so you your [TS]

00:50:01   your house is the open body and you [TS]

00:50:04   don't even know if you found a key yet [TS]

00:50:05   because cuz then what if what if you [TS]

00:50:06   actually I don't know find a sandwich or [TS]

00:50:08   something like oh well sudden the keys [TS]

00:50:10   not as important the sandwich gonna go [TS]

00:50:11   bad if we don't get it out of here you [TS]

00:50:12   even know how deep into the project you [TS]

00:50:14   there's no way to know you there's no [TS]

00:50:16   way to know even if it's really begun [TS]

00:50:17   yet you might still be you might still [TS]

00:50:19   be in the stage where he's just deciding [TS]

00:50:20   what needs needs needs fix yeah this is [TS]

00:50:23   it when Hawkeye Pierce opens a guy up on [TS]

00:50:26   the operating table yeah to fix one [TS]

00:50:28   thing yes he gets in there and he [TS]

00:50:30   realizes there's shrapnel throughout the [TS]

00:50:32   body because they call it meatball [TS]

00:50:33   surgery he called he calls Houlihan over [TS]

00:50:36   he's like put a clamp on here he knows [TS]

00:50:37   he knows she's a great nurse this is the [TS]

00:50:39   thing about Margaret absolutely the [TS]

00:50:41   difference with Frank burns and Hot Lips [TS]

00:50:44   get cut from whole cloth but there's [TS]

00:50:45   really a very different situation going [TS]

00:50:47   on there Hot Lips is very very very [TS]

00:50:50   talented she's an extremely talented [TS]

00:50:52   surgical nurse Frank burns too [TS]

00:50:54   a fucking hack yeah right yeah I and I'm [TS]

00:50:57   always I'm old ferret face the head [TS]

00:51:00   those two couldn't be more different and [TS]

00:51:02   how how it is that they that their love [TS]

00:51:05   of military pomp and circumstance would [TS]

00:51:07   bring them together any point in a storm [TS]

00:51:09   there's a police action and you know you [TS]

00:51:10   think love we find it much like a [TS]

00:51:12   sandwich or a key or part of a part of a [TS]

00:51:13   tumor I guess I guess but so the so [TS]

00:51:17   there's talk of Windows can you give me [TS]

00:51:19   just without getting too specific apart [TS]

00:51:21   from giving me this man's name [TS]

00:51:22   what about how long as far as you can [TS]

00:51:25   tell as far as you can reckon how long [TS]

00:51:28   has he been working on something at your [TS]

00:51:30   house like did you first engage some [TS]

00:51:33   when did your eye so your buddy tells [TS]

00:51:34   you about song when did you first start [TS]

00:51:36   the engagement process with song the [TS]

00:51:40   thing about some is I have to assume [TS]

00:51:42   that that name is just like Kim in Korea [TS]

00:51:45   okay or you know like Pierre in France [TS]

00:51:49   right pretty much every guy you meet in [TS]

00:51:51   France is named Pierre and I imagine [TS]

00:51:54   that's the same in Cambodia with them [TS]

00:51:55   okay okay [TS]

00:51:56   cuz it's a name that rolls off the [TS]

00:51:58   tongue right I'm not even sure he's [TS]

00:52:01   never actually pronounced his name to me [TS]

00:52:02   I read it off of his business card and [TS]

00:52:04   I've been calling him some this whole [TS]

00:52:06   time it might be pronounced some yeah my [TS]

00:52:09   landlord called me then that wrong name [TS]

00:52:10   for like ten years I never corrected him [TS]

00:52:11   did he did he call him Elron caught no [TS]

00:52:13   and call me Charles hmm I have no reason [TS]

00:52:16   to understand why you but he always [TS]

00:52:18   called me Charles and he was consistent [TS]

00:52:19   about it which I appreciate it I never [TS]

00:52:21   corrected him but because I knew he [TS]

00:52:23   meant me cuz I was always Charles yeah [TS]

00:52:26   not Charlie Charles no you're Charles [TS]

00:52:28   you'll be Charles from now on huh you [TS]

00:52:31   know you do kind of look like a Charles [TS]

00:52:33   as a Winchester no I would think more [TS]

00:52:36   like a chart like Charles Nelson Reilly [TS]

00:52:38   [Laughter] [TS]

00:52:43   I don't know if you're deliberately [TS]

00:52:46   avoiding the question okay let's get [TS]

00:52:47   back to orders of magnitude song has [TS]

00:52:49   been in some form of engagement with you [TS]

00:52:52   and your homestead for a day a week a [TS]

00:52:56   month it feels like forever okay all [TS]

00:53:00   right so it's like you've always been in [TS]

00:53:01   the Gold Room right yeah but some has [TS]

00:53:03   actually been here three days oh my [TS]

00:53:07   goodness [TS]

00:53:07   of course well that makes that makes a [TS]

00:53:09   lot of sense okay Sunday's he's there [TS]

00:53:11   some days he's not because you know yeah [TS]

00:53:14   it's been three days over the course of [TS]

00:53:15   ten days well in that case he's making [TS]

00:53:17   tremendous project progress he is Keys [TS]

00:53:19   kicking ass and taking names yeah that's [TS]

00:53:21   right he must understand the whole scope [TS]

00:53:23   here's the thing let's get back to your [TS]

00:53:24   body on the table right yeah laid out [TS]

00:53:26   like a patient etherized on a table [TS]

00:53:28   except that's your house right TS [TS]

00:53:30   Eliot's talking about in this case what [TS]

00:53:32   are you gonna do you're just gonna sit [TS]

00:53:33   you show up you say hi I'm Robert [TS]

00:53:35   surgeon and I make surgeons surgeries [TS]

00:53:38   right I'm not gonna bother examining you [TS]

00:53:41   I'm just gonna get my favorite scalpel [TS]

00:53:43   and get started no they want to get the [TS]

00:53:44   full examination they run a battery of [TS]

00:53:46   tests they want to make sure if you got [TS]

00:53:48   blood and stuff you don't just dive [TS]

00:53:49   straight even though the surgery's the [TS]

00:53:51   fun part is Hawkeye will tell you they [TS]

00:53:52   caught meatball surgery in this case he [TS]

00:53:54   was to scope out the entire body to know [TS]

00:53:58   where to begin [TS]

00:53:59   right well here's your typical value [TS]

00:54:02   tensor appear you know I'm saying yeah [TS]

00:54:03   your typical guy shows up he looks at it [TS]

00:54:05   he goes oh boy oh yeah Charlie fix it [TS]

00:54:07   here he comes and then he throws out a [TS]

00:54:09   number mm-hmm now that number is as far [TS]

00:54:15   as I'm concerned that number is just [TS]

00:54:16   like a parenting plan between two [TS]

00:54:18   divorced people if you put together a [TS]

00:54:21   parenting plan which first kid if you [TS]

00:54:24   put together a parenting plan which [TS]

00:54:26   every lawyer and family counselor will [TS]

00:54:28   insist that you do yeah what that [TS]

00:54:30   parenting plan is is a road map to [TS]

00:54:32   failure yeah because it's trying to it's [TS]

00:54:35   trying to accommodate the worst possible [TS]

00:54:38   scenario but then once it's on paper and [TS]

00:54:40   in front of you and you both sign it [TS]

00:54:42   you're both going to work toward that [TS]

00:54:45   eventualities cuz it's in the parenting [TS]

00:54:47   plan right so it's like oh you know [TS]

00:54:49   before the parenting plan you go oh I'm [TS]

00:54:51   going to the movies can you watch the [TS]

00:54:53   baby tonight sure after the parenting [TS]

00:54:56   plan oh I'm going to the movies can you [TS]

00:54:57   watch the baby tonight well tonight's [TS]

00:54:58   not my night right that's what a [TS]

00:55:01   parenting plan is yeah unless you got [TS]

00:55:04   real bad problems but a guy a guy shows [TS]

00:55:06   up here he looks at my house he goes oh [TS]

00:55:08   well it's gonna cost $6,000 now might [TS]

00:55:12   cost less mm-hmm well I can't know until [TS]

00:55:16   I get in there and see [TS]

00:55:18   that's your typical guy now he is gonna [TS]

00:55:23   find a way to make that thing cost [TS]

00:55:25   $6,000 because if you go oh okay [TS]

00:55:28   I hope it costs less he's gonna know how [TS]

00:55:32   this guy can afford a $6,000 project so [TS]

00:55:35   once I get in there you bet I'm gonna [TS]

00:55:37   find six thousand dollars worth of work [TS]

00:55:39   right [TS]

00:55:39   so when Flom says i'm just gonna jump in [TS]

00:55:42   here I'm gonna see what it is I'm gonna [TS]

00:55:44   tell you what it is when I find it I was [TS]

00:55:46   like okay you know what that works for [TS]

00:55:48   me because you're not throwing out some [TS]

00:55:49   crazy thing now it turns out it's you've [TS]

00:55:52   worked here three days you know it's [TS]

00:55:54   gonna be six hundred dollars instead of [TS]

00:55:56   six thousand dollars okay and what so [TS]

00:55:59   you won't know until he's tapped on the [TS]

00:56:00   windows and talked to himself a little [TS]

00:56:01   bit that's right right but what Saum [TS]

00:56:04   didn't know what the Duke boys didn't [TS]

00:56:06   know was that Roscoe had already blown [TS]

00:56:11   out the bridge and I had already been [TS]

00:56:15   under the porch for several weeks yeah [TS]

00:56:19   and as part of tearing the porch apart [TS]

00:56:21   what I also did was I cut out all the [TS]

00:56:24   dry rot and I replaced the dry rot rot [TS]

00:56:28   with good wood now this is a thing when [TS]

00:56:33   you look at a torn apart porch which is [TS]

00:56:35   thinking to yourself as if you're some [TS]

00:56:37   or anybody is oh boy but there's a lot [TS]

00:56:40   of dry rot under there oh he has a look [TS]

00:56:43   under there he goes Oh looks like [TS]

00:56:44   somebody's been down here with some good [TS]

00:56:45   gathered so he gets down there he's like [TS]

00:56:47   oh there's good wood all around here [TS]

00:56:48   then you telling that you let him [TS]

00:56:50   discover that that's right because if he [TS]

00:56:53   comes out of there if he comes out of [TS]

00:56:54   that hole and he's like oh there's a [TS]

00:56:55   bunch of dry rot under here I know [TS]

00:56:57   there's not any dry rot in there i i i [TS]

00:56:59   remediated all the dry rot by cutting it [TS]

00:57:02   out and putting in good wood but I've [TS]

00:57:03   also given you given some a little bit [TS]

00:57:05   of a puzzle here right not a puzzle you [TS]

00:57:07   give him a little bit of a maze like [TS]

00:57:08   he's gonna have to go figure some things [TS]

00:57:09   out it's not gonna be easy assumptions [TS]

00:57:11   that John's just a little too over [TS]

00:57:13   ambitious cuz Oh guess what surprise no [TS]

00:57:15   dry rot right he's gonna say Oh Johnny [TS]

00:57:18   fix it here tourist porch apart wall and [TS]

00:57:22   then he's then he's gonna get underneath [TS]

00:57:23   it he's gonna go Oh Johnny fix it did [TS]

00:57:26   some structural work some support put [TS]

00:57:29   some nut he did some non-obvious good [TS]

00:57:31   wood [TS]

00:57:31   yeah he did the hearts that well not the [TS]

00:57:34   heart stuff but he did the he did the [TS]

00:57:35   stuff that makes the other stuff [TS]

00:57:37   possible [TS]

00:57:38   he can take a sunshine and make it and [TS]

00:57:41   and turn it into rain mm-hmm taking [TS]

00:57:43   nothing date and suddenly did did he [TS]

00:57:45   admire your moat at all did he see that [TS]

00:57:47   as a promising thing we're like oh you [TS]

00:57:49   know to put the hardy boys in here like [TS]

00:57:50   that John knows what he's doing put a [TS]

00:57:53   buckboard down here and a little hardy [TS]

00:57:54   boy up the side and now you got to wait [TS]

00:57:56   up to build your your Hall yeah one of [TS]

00:57:58   the first things he said was did you dig [TS]

00:58:01   this look like what do you think [TS]

00:58:06   [Music] [TS]

00:58:09   [Laughter] [TS]

00:58:19   [Music] [TS]

00:58:23   yeah the trench used to go all the way [TS]

00:58:25   around the house and I've been filling [TS]

00:58:26   it with carpet come back and meet my [TS]

00:58:34   Thai friends who are running a chop saw [TS]

00:58:42   so he's really just he's work here [TS]

00:58:46   here's my thing and I don't get too far [TS]

00:58:48   ahead of this got obviously we're in [TS]

00:58:49   very early days of your relationship [TS]

00:58:51   with some but is there any chance this [TS]

00:58:53   could turn into something where your [TS]

00:58:54   house is Brian Wilson and he's dr. [TS]

00:58:56   Eugene Landy what I want what I want is [TS]

00:59:13   to live in a house where there's a psalm [TS]

00:59:15   walking around with the transistor radio [TS]

00:59:17   on the roof there is a like a small girl [TS]

00:59:22   that's knowing things on the on the [TS]

00:59:24   piano there's a motorcycle girl who's [TS]

00:59:27   throwing things away I would like [TS]

00:59:29   somebody with a clipboard and their hair [TS]

00:59:32   bun telling me what I have to do that [TS]

00:59:35   day this is this is the new the new [TS]

00:59:38   Roderick group right and I feel like if [TS]

00:59:41   I could and then I feel like there's a [TS]

00:59:44   rich guy out in [TS]

00:59:45   Barn fixing Lambrettas Oh Oh God this is [TS]

00:59:49   all coming together you're like Leonard [TS]

00:59:50   Bernstein oh yeah now I'm seeing it [TS]

00:59:53   you're the conductor right this is the [TS]

00:59:55   game mm-hmm all I'm trying to do you're [TS]

00:59:57   the poster composer and the conductor [TS]

00:59:59   you [TS]

00:59:59   you [TS]

01:00:00   need to tell people what kind of what to [TS]

01:00:01   make the robos out of you just need to [TS]

01:00:03   make a beautiful beautiful noise yeah [TS]

01:00:05   I'm get the Thai family working for you [TS]

01:00:08   at some point working with you at some [TS]

01:00:10   point not with the not with that song I [TS]

01:00:12   mean maybe you play something to learn [TS]

01:00:14   maybe there's a little bit of Lambretta [TS]

01:00:16   movement going on here you know what I'm [TS]

01:00:18   gonna say if you need if you need a [TS]

01:00:19   place to throw those encyclopedias I got [TS]

01:00:21   a big empty pool here and a girl who [TS]

01:00:23   will know them right no no come on I'm [TS]

01:00:26   gonna take the fence down you guys start [TS]

01:00:28   partying in my backyard [TS]

01:00:29   that's what I need to learn okay I need [TS]

01:00:31   to learn how to have fun yes yeah you [TS]

01:00:33   didn't know what you were there for [TS]

01:00:34   right oh great my job is just to find [TS]

01:00:37   what room in the house is quiet enough [TS]

01:00:39   to do my radio show show this is gonna [TS]

01:00:45   be fun to watch I can't wait to see how [TS]

01:00:47   this why don't see how it turns out cuz [TS]

01:00:48   this could really I think if you accept [TS]

01:00:50   it this is just a new ongoing process [TS]

01:00:52   and that the Roderick group is whoever's [TS]

01:00:54   there right now this is kind of like [TS]

01:00:56   your factory you like your Andy Warhol [TS]

01:00:57   factory people are gonna gonna come in [TS]

01:00:59   and out of the scene maybe The Velvet [TS]

01:01:01   Underground comes and play some tunes [TS]

01:01:03   there's somebody with body paint doing a [TS]

01:01:05   go-go dance and then you got Sam with [TS]

01:01:07   his radio and he's up here on the roof [TS]

01:01:08   and he's tapping on your windows you're [TS]

01:01:09   not sure why cuz it's not time to know [TS]

01:01:11   yet it's not time to know right well and [TS]

01:01:14   what's what's very interesting about so [TS]

01:01:16   I've only named just a few in the cast [TS]

01:01:19   of colorful characters that come around [TS]

01:01:21   here Peter actually the Peter that [TS]

01:01:24   introduced me to saw him Peter is [TS]

01:01:26   currently doing a little bit of work in [TS]

01:01:27   my basement the devil you say because [TS]

01:01:30   Peter came around Peter is a very old [TS]

01:01:33   friend he was the first friend I made [TS]

01:01:36   after I got sober when I got sober at [TS]

01:01:39   the at the shoot for that at the well he [TS]

01:01:42   doesn't get a chip okay but when I got [TS]

01:01:44   sober I was newly 26 years old and at [TS]

01:01:48   that point in time I did not understand [TS]

01:01:51   how you could be sober because everyone [TS]

01:01:53   I knew was a drunk and so who do you [TS]

01:01:56   hang out with right you hang out when [TS]

01:01:58   you hang out with normals hang out with [TS]

01:02:01   just people that are like standing [TS]

01:02:03   around [TS]

01:02:04   you've got to around all that time well [TS]

01:02:06   so Peter was this guy that I met because [TS]

01:02:09   I was sleeping in the I was sleeping in [TS]

01:02:11   the alcove at the top of the stairs of [TS]

01:02:12   this house [TS]

01:02:13   before you got a toothbrush this is via [TS]

01:02:16   this is a very early days very early I [TS]

01:02:18   didn't have I couldn't get a room [TS]

01:02:19   anywhere I didn't have I couldn't afford [TS]

01:02:21   before you lived in the van it is before [TS]

01:02:25   I lived in the van it is after I'd been [TS]

01:02:28   kicked out of everywhere I was trying to [TS]

01:02:30   get sober so I couldn't sleep on [TS]

01:02:32   people's couches you know that was I had [TS]

01:02:34   to have a little bit of dignity and I [TS]

01:02:36   and I met these people that lived in [TS]

01:02:38   this house because I knew this girl [TS]

01:02:41   Julie somehow because Julie knew this [TS]

01:02:43   guy Brent and Brent was a drunk but [TS]

01:02:47   Julie wasn't one and somehow Julie [TS]

01:02:49   invited me over to their house and it [TS]

01:02:51   was full of people this house was one of [TS]

01:02:53   those houses where six people lived and [TS]

01:02:55   none of them were drunks statistically [TS]

01:03:00   unlikely it was unlikely they were [TS]

01:03:02   artists and they were cooks there was a [TS]

01:03:06   drum kit in the basement there somebody [TS]

01:03:08   had painted a mural of a of a Senate are [TS]

01:03:11   on the wall in the living room is a [TS]

01:03:14   senator Oh centaur right beast the thing [TS]

01:03:21   is this might have been a Senate our [TS]

01:03:22   rather than a senator because the person [TS]

01:03:24   that painted it did not was an art [TS]

01:03:26   student who did not yet understand the [TS]

01:03:29   musculature of the human body [TS]

01:03:31   yeah and they gave you that the first [TS]

01:03:33   day no well they don't because this [TS]

01:03:36   Senate our or centaur as you say had two [TS]

01:03:39   biceps and I remember sitting in the [TS]

01:03:43   living room we going that's terrible I [TS]

01:03:45   mean the the head of the Centaur looks [TS]

01:03:47   correct okay but it has two biceps [TS]

01:03:51   there's no one else see this how can you [TS]

01:03:52   sit in this living room all day with [TS]

01:03:54   this painted on your wall this is got [TS]

01:03:55   one in the chamber that's why they call [TS]

01:03:56   them guns so anyway so I met Peter this [TS]

01:04:03   is yeah do something and this ended up [TS]

01:04:06   being how I met Laurel who became my [TS]

01:04:08   first sober girlfriend Oh because I [TS]

01:04:12   realized that these people did not drink [TS]

01:04:15   but still were kooky weird artists [TS]

01:04:19   people and in fact they were kookier [TS]

01:04:21   weirder and more arty than the drunks [TS]

01:04:24   thought it wasn't a call [TS]

01:04:25   because usually you see that in a cult [TS]

01:04:27   if people with that interesting and they [TS]

01:04:28   don't drink it's usually a cult well it [TS]

01:04:30   turns out that there's a whole group of [TS]

01:04:32   people out there in the world that are [TS]

01:04:33   just interesting and art also drunk and [TS]

01:04:37   it's not that they weren't fucked up [TS]

01:04:38   because they were all they weren't drunk [TS]

01:04:42   so peter has been around in my life ever [TS]

01:04:45   since Peter was the original bass player [TS]

01:04:47   of the long winters but he quit before [TS]

01:04:49   our first show well because he said that [TS]

01:04:51   our music sounded too it wasn't [TS]

01:04:55   authentic enough Peter has been a thorn [TS]

01:04:58   in my side let's be honest but Peter was [TS]

01:05:01   doing some work for my mom and then she [TS]

01:05:03   said why doesn't Peter come out and do [TS]

01:05:05   some work on your basement and I was [TS]

01:05:08   like yeah it's gonna be complicated for [TS]

01:05:09   me and Peter for me to be paying Peter [TS]

01:05:11   mm-hmm and I sent Peter in text and I [TS]

01:05:14   was like is this complicated for you to [TS]

01:05:17   be working on my house after everything [TS]

01:05:19   we've been through he was like at this [TS]

01:05:21   stage in my life I'm playing video poker [TS]

01:05:22   for a living [TS]

01:05:23   I want to just mm-hmm take some money so [TS]

01:05:29   I'll come work on your house so let's [TS]

01:05:30   just to have it not be complicated he [TS]

01:05:33   not my business but is it because Peter [TS]

01:05:35   is independently wealthy that he plays [TS]

01:05:37   video Parker or is he at this point is [TS]

01:05:45   he coordinating with some are they far [TS]

01:05:47   they have any kind of formal [TS]

01:05:48   relationship or the Nola's are these [TS]

01:05:50   people aware of each other not really [TS]

01:05:52   okay Peter right now lives on a [TS]

01:05:55   houseboat that is owned by his sister [TS]

01:05:58   but it's not one of those houseboats [TS]

01:06:00   that is like in Sex in the City [TS]

01:06:03   yeah it's a houseboat that is basically [TS]

01:06:07   like a as far as I know it's like a [TS]

01:06:10   toolshed [TS]

01:06:13   Popeye like it moves out faster on water [TS]

01:06:17   and is the thing that I'm aware of [TS]

01:06:19   yeah it's an older place it has one of [TS]

01:06:21   those crooked smokes dance that you [TS]

01:06:25   might see in an Appalachian home draws a [TS]

01:06:29   chimney that's right and his sister owns [TS]

01:06:32   it for some reason I don't know what his [TS]

01:06:35   sister has money she has a condo [TS]

01:06:37   downtown she's often out of [TS]

01:06:39   peter has a place to live he's currently [TS]

01:06:42   driving a Lexus because somebody owed [TS]

01:06:45   his brother some or his uncle some money [TS]

01:06:49   and the and the guy paid him in a Lexus [TS]

01:06:53   okay at the guy gave the Lexus his uncle [TS]

01:06:57   gave the Lexus to his daughter to take [TS]

01:06:58   to college she she thought the Lexus was [TS]

01:07:01   ostentatious and so somehow Peter in [TS]

01:07:05   here it's not the Peter okay so he's [TS]

01:07:07   living in a houseboat driving a Lexus [TS]

01:07:09   right now he's working in my basement [TS]

01:07:10   with structural things or as a moisture [TS]

01:07:13   abatement or what kind of stuff is if [TS]

01:07:14   you can save you're comfortable saying [TS]

01:07:15   what kind of stuff is he doing your [TS]

01:07:16   basement the basement was at some point [TS]

01:07:21   in its history was like a practice space [TS]

01:07:24   for a teenage heavy metal band you can [TS]

01:07:27   tell from the graffiti on the walls okay [TS]

01:07:29   at some point it was a root cellar [TS]

01:07:32   there's still a coal hopper from when [TS]

01:07:35   the house was heated with coal Wow [TS]

01:07:38   the coal hopper still has coal in it [TS]

01:07:41   although at some point before I bought [TS]

01:07:44   the house people started throwing [TS]

01:07:45   Mountain Dew bottles down into it too so [TS]

01:07:48   it was like coal like ancient coal and [TS]

01:07:51   also more recent Mountain Dew bottles [TS]

01:07:53   genie like a laundry chute right and so [TS]

01:07:56   Peter was like I'll get those Mountain [TS]

01:07:58   Dew bottles out of there but what we [TS]

01:07:59   really need is to put up some better [TS]

01:08:03   walls and I said here's my vision I want [TS]

01:08:05   it to be beadboard and he said yeah I [TS]

01:08:09   can work with that so Peters basically [TS]

01:08:11   building bead board walls in the [TS]

01:08:12   basement while some is building a [TS]

01:08:15   monitor and Merrimack out of the front [TS]

01:08:16   porch and when they see each other in [TS]

01:08:18   the yard when they're when the body [TS]

01:08:20   meets a body I yeah [TS]

01:08:22   they not each other okay because if it [TS]

01:08:24   weren't for Peter there be no song oh [TS]

01:08:26   that's true that's true [TS]

01:08:28   okay but they have no but they're not [TS]

01:08:30   interacting with each other two separate [TS]

01:08:32   projects different sizes at this point [TS]

01:08:34   and Peter works very quietly he's not [TS]

01:08:36   part of the sonic signature I'm just hmm [TS]

01:08:39   it's just I'm just [TS]

01:08:40   mmm excluding the Lambrettas and the [TS]

01:08:43   Knoller and the motorcycle girl just [TS]

01:08:46   even keeping them out of the scene for [TS]

01:08:48   the moment in the West bus it seems like [TS]

01:08:50   at some point saw [TS]

01:08:52   scope might expand or transmogrify in [TS]

01:08:59   such a way that he made bump up against [TS]

01:09:01   Peter in a way where they need to work [TS]

01:09:02   work some things out and which case Sam [TS]

01:09:04   would probably be kind of like the sub [TS]

01:09:05   project manager for that part here's [TS]

01:09:07   what's gonna happen [TS]

01:09:08   Peters gonna start working up the [TS]

01:09:10   basement stairs he's gonna start at the [TS]

01:09:13   bottom of the basement stairs he's gonna [TS]

01:09:14   be working up the basement stairs he [TS]

01:09:16   doesn't up right Peter is like me he's [TS]

01:09:19   too meticulous so Peters gonna be [TS]

01:09:21   spending too much time making things [TS]

01:09:24   perfect in the basement he's a part of [TS]

01:09:28   the plan or something you just kind of [TS]

01:09:29   know that's just one of the things you [TS]

01:09:31   have to deal with when you're dealing [TS]

01:09:32   with Peter okay if it isn't right [TS]

01:09:35   Peter's gonna he's gonna scream fuck and [TS]

01:09:37   then he's gonna rip it out and he's [TS]

01:09:38   gonna have to do it over okay this is [TS]

01:09:40   knowing when when the deadlines changed [TS]

01:09:42   probably hear the yelling yeah well [TS]

01:09:44   there's never a deadline with him [TS]

01:09:45   because you just have to let him do his [TS]

01:09:47   thing [TS]

01:09:48   you just see it wind him up you feed him [TS]

01:09:50   some Peter Chao and you lets go and it [TS]

01:09:52   gets done when it gets done that's part [TS]

01:09:55   of the that's part of the problem of [TS]

01:09:57   hiring your friends that was the problem [TS]

01:09:59   of the early long winters I put I didn't [TS]

01:10:01   hire the best musicians I could find I [TS]

01:10:03   just hired my friends I didn't I didn't [TS]

01:10:09   Eric what Eric's been the best member of [TS]

01:10:11   the long winters and he was the only guy [TS]

01:10:12   I didn't know before I started the band [TS]

01:10:14   everybody else I could have just I could [TS]

01:10:16   have just put an ad in the newspaper and [TS]

01:10:18   said wanted dudes that love Slayer so [TS]

01:10:23   Peters gonna be working up from the [TS]

01:10:24   bottom it's all eventual disappointments [TS]

01:10:27   some is gonna come down from the roof [TS]

01:10:30   and start working on the on the side of [TS]

01:10:32   the house and there's a place at the [TS]

01:10:35   basement door where there needs some [TS]

01:10:36   siding there some siding work needs to [TS]

01:10:40   get done and it's right where Peter is [TS]

01:10:44   going to be arriving at the top of the [TS]

01:10:46   stairs on Spike mr. golden spike that's [TS]

01:10:49   it yeah he's gonna be working on that [TS]

01:10:51   door from one side while Sam is working [TS]

01:10:53   on that door from the other side and [TS]

01:10:55   that will be the thing that ties the [TS]

01:10:56   whole it would be like ooh and the [TS]

01:10:59   project is completed until Psalm shows [TS]

01:11:02   up and says listen I got [TS]

01:11:04   your whole house I can't leave it this [TS]

01:11:06   but I'm gonna give you one of the days [TS]

01:11:08   gonna be amazing now one deal on the [TS]

01:11:11   whole thing the whole thing it's a [TS]

01:11:13   little basement I'm gonna do the whole [TS]

01:11:15   thing Peters in the basement take it out [TS]

01:11:17   the basement let's stop [TS]