Roderick on the Line

Ep. 260: "My Snapchat Years"


00:00:01   [Music] [TS]

00:00:05   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:07   hi Marilyn how's it going oh it's going [TS]

00:00:10   okay [TS]

00:00:11   you sound extra good today is that right [TS]

00:00:13   what did you do some different uh you [TS]

00:00:17   know I'm just working out all kinds of [TS]

00:00:19   differences are you in the basement no [TS]

00:00:24   you think you're gonna get past that [TS]

00:00:26   groan buddy follow-up for you i I have I [TS]

00:00:31   have now achieved a state where the [TS]

00:00:33   basement is a constant sixty-five [TS]

00:00:35   degrees which is very appealing on [TS]

00:00:37   purpose yes well I it will never get it [TS]

00:00:41   will never get nicer than that I'll take [TS]

00:00:43   a 65 any day right oh god yes it's you [TS]

00:00:47   know it used to be a root cellar and [TS]

00:00:48   like a coal a coal hole toe hole and now [TS]

00:00:53   it's you know now it's a constant [TS]

00:00:55   temptation this for a long time I think [TS]

00:01:02   I know what a root cellar is that's [TS]

00:01:04   where you put like tubers you put up [TS]

00:01:08   some tubers for winter is that what that [TS]

00:01:09   means mm-hmm any other kind of things go [TS]

00:01:12   you get a rutabaga I think that's that [TS]

00:01:14   tuber I don't know it's it's one of [TS]

00:01:17   those land vegetables yeah I mean I [TS]

00:01:19   think you that's where you put your [TS]

00:01:21   canning yeah put it up peaches yeah you [TS]

00:01:24   put your peaches up it down in there I [TS]

00:01:26   think well but maybe a root cellar is [TS]

00:01:27   even even dark e'er and musty er than [TS]

00:01:31   that all right I mean you throw your [TS]

00:01:34   roots down in a in a in a bin right the [TS]

00:01:38   roots always got a root bin I think it [TS]

00:01:40   should have a bin in the cellar uh-huh [TS]

00:01:41   and you don't in the ironical part is [TS]

00:01:43   you don't really put them up put them [TS]

00:01:44   down right but round you do a dog right [TS]

00:01:48   but you put your peaches up pictures up [TS]

00:01:53   roots down you put your pieces up on [TS]

00:01:56   this on the shelf down in the cellar [TS]

00:01:59   okay it's like the theme - it's like the [TS]

00:02:04   the theme song to the yeah that was a [TS]

00:02:08   Bo's a little wonderful reference I was [TS]

00:02:11   about to [TS]

00:02:16   potatoes turnips and carrots enough food [TS]

00:02:19   supplies placed in the root cellar over [TS]

00:02:20   the winter months include beets onions [TS]

00:02:21   charters and jams salt meat salt turbo [TS]

00:02:24   turbot turbo salt herring salt peanuts [TS]

00:02:27   peanut winter squash and cabbage Oh [TS]

00:02:30   single mention of a rutabaga No I see it [TS]

00:02:33   has a root right in the name I think a [TS]

00:02:35   rutabaga might be a vegetable capture [TS]

00:02:38   I've never seen a rutabaga in use I [TS]

00:02:42   think it might be a canary trap or a [TS]

00:02:44   false flag when I see a rutabaga at the [TS]

00:02:46   store no disrespect to it because I'm [TS]

00:02:48   sure somebody is I'm sure that [TS]

00:02:49   somebody's well one imagines that's [TS]

00:02:51   somebody's favorite vegetable I don't [TS]

00:02:53   know I wouldn't even know what part of [TS]

00:02:55   it to eat it looks impregnable uh let's [TS]

00:02:58   see rutabagas I feel like I went through [TS]

00:03:01   a stew making phase mm-hmm and I feel [TS]

00:03:04   like someone got me on a rutabaga tip [TS]

00:03:08   [Music] [TS]

00:03:09   and I think I put it in some stew I well [TS]

00:03:14   it says here it's a cross between a [TS]

00:03:16   cabbage and a turnip cabbage in a turn I [TS]

00:03:18   don't know how you would even cross [TS]

00:03:20   those things the roots yeah you just put [TS]

00:03:23   a boy turnip and a girl cabbage in a [TS]

00:03:25   room and get them vegetable husbandry [TS]

00:03:30   you know you got to get them in the [TS]

00:03:32   right state of mind I don't know much [TS]

00:03:33   about husbandry it's never really [TS]

00:03:35   appealed to me but you know you know [TS]

00:03:37   we're too big you know meets a turnip [TS]

00:03:39   come on I do I don't know it's one of [TS]

00:03:46   those things we've talked about or is it [TS]

00:03:48   4-h is that the one it's kind of early [TS]

00:03:52   and you know and what brings people to [TS]

00:03:54   want to do that especially in areas with [TS]

00:03:58   that are not strictly farm areas it's [TS]

00:04:00   kind of like farm cosplay but with a [TS]

00:04:01   cool jacket do you go to the State Fair [TS]

00:04:04   No [TS]

00:04:07   let's State Fair I mean what what I can [TS]

00:04:09   tell you is that we went to many many [TS]

00:04:13   fairs when I lived in Florida we would [TS]

00:04:15   go to regional fairs I feel like I've [TS]

00:04:17   been to the State Fair [TS]

00:04:18   I was I was almost killed on two [TS]

00:04:20   occasions by Bob Hope at the Ohio State [TS]

00:04:22   Fair when I was a child [TS]

00:04:24   really yeah I was almost hit by his [TS]

00:04:25   limousine a new scene Bob Hope yeah yes [TS]

00:04:29   his limousine I was running where I [TS]

00:04:30   shouldn't be running bad on me I almost [TS]

00:04:33   got hit by a limousine limousine goes by [TS]

00:04:35   and I look in the back seat and I I [TS]

00:04:37   exclaimed mr. hope young people I can [TS]

00:04:44   appreciate how cool arguably this [TS]

00:04:49   country's best-known most popular [TS]

00:04:51   comedian in his day uh yeah I mean he's [TS]

00:04:55   the he's the comedian he's the earth [TS]

00:04:59   he's American the original Tom Hanks you [TS]

00:05:02   know what I mean oh boy he's yeah golly [TS]

00:05:06   Bob Hope [TS]

00:05:07   you know I saw Count Basie at Disneyland [TS]

00:05:10   and I thought that I had some real [TS]

00:05:11   connection to her to to the real America [TS]

00:05:14   well you almost got killed by Bob Hope [TS]

00:05:16   hmm two times you say yeah I'm trying to [TS]

00:05:19   remember I wrote it down I haven't [TS]

00:05:20   thought about in a really long time but [TS]

00:05:22   yeah yeah I was at the Ohio State Fair [TS]

00:05:23   now I like us I like affair my ongoing [TS]

00:05:26   favorite fair in Florida which is a lot [TS]

00:05:30   of F's was the Strawberry Festival in [TS]

00:05:33   Plant City where they celebrated the [TS]

00:05:36   harvesting of strawberries and there [TS]

00:05:38   were mini strawberry related first of [TS]

00:05:40   all it was a generic you know a fair you [TS]

00:05:42   could see like Night Ranger or a country [TS]

00:05:43   band but you also like go make your own [TS]

00:05:46   strawberry shortcake and I like anything [TS]

00:05:48   with strawberries that's all hmm the [TS]

00:05:50   doll which one guitar bishop you could [TS]

00:05:53   make your own Strawberry Shortcake doll [TS]

00:05:54   like a build-a-bear type situation yeah [TS]

00:05:56   yeah no I don't think it was if they did [TS]

00:06:00   you know they did not have the rights [TS]

00:06:02   for it it was not a building or [TS]

00:06:03   situation I see I think I've just I've [TS]

00:06:09   been spending a lot of time on the [TS]

00:06:10   internet lately and I'm coming back in [TS]

00:06:12   this whole mode of like oh yeah people [TS]

00:06:14   are just making making sex dolls for [TS]

00:06:17   themselves based on just whatever [TS]

00:06:18   whatever they want [TS]

00:06:20   now oh because I would love to hear more [TS]

00:06:23   about that is this like the anime guys [TS]

00:06:25   with the pillows similar kind of thing I [TS]

00:06:27   think so I think the technology you know [TS]

00:06:29   now that China's gotten into the Game [TS]

00:06:31   Boy it's just the whole the whole [TS]

00:06:33   industry is exploded is it disrupting [TS]

00:06:35   John [TS]

00:06:36   I imagine if you wanted a Strawberry [TS]

00:06:38   Shortcake doll in that style you could [TS]

00:06:40   get one pretty cheaply you could you [TS]

00:06:43   could probably Amazon Prime a pretty [TS]

00:06:46   generic strawberry shortcake fuck-buddy [TS]

00:06:49   but if you wanted a bespoke model with [TS]

00:06:51   an articulating cake or one yeah one [TS]

00:06:56   that looked like one that looked like a [TS]

00:06:59   me or look like like like the lady from [TS]

00:07:03   lost or something like that like if you [TS]

00:07:04   had a real specific idea in mind which [TS]

00:07:06   how you wanted your cake to be shorted [TS]

00:07:08   you could probably you know what 3d 3d [TS]

00:07:10   printing faces you could put on it [TS]

00:07:13   people keep telling me people in the 3d [TS]

00:07:15   printing world keep telling me that 3d [TS]

00:07:17   printing is not not as greatest as we [TS]

00:07:19   all want it to be yet well everybody [TS]

00:07:21   sure talked about it for a while well [TS]

00:07:22   they sure did but I was like hey I've [TS]

00:07:24   got a thing that I want 3d printed and [TS]

00:07:26   the answer was no no you can't that's [TS]

00:07:30   that's not you can't do that yet and I [TS]

00:07:32   was like well what about this simpler [TS]

00:07:33   version of that no you can't really do [TS]

00:07:35   that yet either oh I see so this is one [TS]

00:07:38   of those this is like there's a little [TS]

00:07:42   bit of a it's a teaser 3d printing you [TS]

00:07:44   know you can sit around and think it's [TS]

00:07:46   kind of like we first heard about the [TS]

00:07:47   Internet you say VR or yeah every every [TS]

00:07:51   three to eight years we hear how VR is [TS]

00:07:53   really there yeah have you done a recent [TS]

00:07:56   VR tour [TS]

00:07:57   John I've never done a VR hi I there I [TS]

00:08:01   have a couple of people here in Seattle [TS]

00:08:02   is a big VR community and I went to one [TS]

00:08:05   of the VR startups actually I shop here [TS]

00:08:11   physically went there went there okay [TS]

00:08:14   sat down in the chair a lot of people [TS]

00:08:16   there a lot of lot of lot of people with [TS]

00:08:18   mustaches a lot of people with topknots [TS]

00:08:21   mm-hmm looking at their computers [TS]

00:08:24   beavering away and they're like sitting [TS]

00:08:26   the chair are you ready for this they [TS]

00:08:29   put the whole apparatus on and and then [TS]

00:08:33   I went through I went through a thing [TS]

00:08:34   and it felt like I was I felt like I was [TS]

00:08:37   at the IMAX at the Air and Space Museum [TS]

00:08:40   in 1979 it was like and now we're flying [TS]

00:08:44   and now we're going over a cliff [TS]

00:08:47   I bet it I bet it can be really cool I [TS]

00:08:51   mean I'm excited when any kind of [TS]

00:08:52   technology is moving forward even if the [TS]

00:08:54   tip of the iceberg that we see is kind [TS]

00:08:56   of silly because the truth is that VR is [TS]

00:08:58   gonna do lots of have lots of nice [TS]

00:09:00   knock-on effects like you know it will [TS]

00:09:02   get more powerful you know the things [TS]

00:09:04   that as a result I have no desire to do [TS]

00:09:06   that with that said if I go to a Disney [TS]

00:09:08   property and I go in one of those or you [TS]

00:09:10   know or Universal go I'll go on a Harry [TS]

00:09:12   Potter ride and I don't think like it's [TS]

00:09:14   amazing how you can trick my mind into [TS]

00:09:16   thinking that I'm falling and I'm a [TS]

00:09:17   little bit impressed by that yeah that [TS]

00:09:18   is impressive I think that the I think [TS]

00:09:21   AR is where I'm I'm excited hmm but [TS]

00:09:24   anything that happens in VR I just feel [TS]

00:09:27   like the that the if your body isn't [TS]

00:09:31   engaged in it it's always just gonna be [TS]

00:09:35   a show mm-hmm [TS]

00:09:36   you're just gonna put it on the show [TS]

00:09:38   damn it's a demo right if you're if [TS]

00:09:40   you're not if you can't touch with your [TS]

00:09:41   fingers and if you're not actually [TS]

00:09:43   walking in the environment then it's [TS]

00:09:46   yeah you're just sitting in a chair [TS]

00:09:48   watching a thing and and no matter how [TS]

00:09:51   realistic it is no matter how much [TS]

00:09:53   you're like I'm going through the room [TS]

00:09:54   it's like no matter how much you're [TS]

00:09:55   playing mist you're never gonna be it [TS]

00:10:03   you're never gonna get across that [TS]

00:10:07   uncanny valley it's going to be more [TS]

00:10:09   virtual than reality [TS]

00:10:10   yeah whereas whereas a are really [TS]

00:10:12   thrills me airs you know John I got to [TS]

00:10:15   tell you there's all kinds of [TS]

00:10:16   applications for AR and it is existing [TS]

00:10:18   on your device like theirs is pretty [TS]

00:10:22   weird and pretty cool I remember the [TS]

00:10:24   very first time I used something like [TS]

00:10:25   that that I can remember might have been [TS]

00:10:28   at max fun con where I didn't want to be [TS]

00:10:31   around people for a while and I went and [TS]

00:10:33   I wandered around outside the property [TS]

00:10:35   and I used the various sky apps which is [TS]

00:10:39   really fun when it's in your somewhere [TS]

00:10:40   dark with lots of stars like it really [TS]

00:10:41   really works yeah that was the first [TS]

00:10:44   time another time I had this really cool [TS]

00:10:45   app that pulled information from [TS]

00:10:47   Wikipedia and maybe Yelp but wherever [TS]

00:10:50   you were you could hold up your phone [TS]

00:10:52   and it would like show you the actual [TS]

00:10:53   stuff I thought that was pretty clever I [TS]

00:10:55   think there's an app and as of today or [TS]

00:10:57   actually as of yesterday I got this app [TS]

00:10:59   called tap measure which is [TS]

00:11:00   a are measuring app for your phone we [TS]

00:11:03   can look point it at the four corners of [TS]

00:11:04   a device of an area and scans you could [TS]

00:11:07   like cool the model of your whole room [TS]

00:11:09   please I hope you see where I'm going [TS]

00:11:11   with this I do I don't know if VR has a [TS]

00:11:13   role in John's life right now [TS]

00:11:15   I think AR I could think of several ways [TS]

00:11:17   AR could have a huge role in your life [TS]

00:11:19   right now somebody was just telling me [TS]

00:11:21   about the about the about like some kind [TS]

00:11:25   of little scanner in your phone a that [TS]

00:11:29   would be based around maybe like a like [TS]

00:11:32   a connects style I forget what those [TS]

00:11:35   were called but like three-dimensional [TS]

00:11:36   yeah special camera things that you [TS]

00:11:40   would be able to stand in a room and the [TS]

00:11:41   thing would just do measurements of your [TS]

00:11:43   body and and then just throw that to [TS]

00:11:46   custom clothing makers or it's like oh [TS]

00:11:49   you want to order this shirt just put [TS]

00:11:51   your camera in the corner and it'll scan [TS]

00:11:53   your size [TS]

00:11:54   yeah like Siri will this make me look [TS]

00:11:55   dumpy yeah that would be so fresh I'm [TS]

00:11:59   imagining your ongoing project - Museum [TS]

00:12:03   of Phi your collections mmm I could see [TS]

00:12:07   you doing an inventory of your current [TS]

00:12:09   extant collection and being able to [TS]

00:12:11   model that in various ways and I can [TS]

00:12:14   certainly see how your podcast studio of [TS]

00:12:17   the future in your root cellar like [TS]

00:12:18   putting that together could be really [TS]

00:12:19   useful you could you could like scan the [TS]

00:12:21   room and decide where you want your [TS]

00:12:22   captain's console to be in everything [TS]

00:12:24   mmm just saying I now that I'm no longer [TS]

00:12:32   now that I no longer have a [TS]

00:12:34   non-disclosure agreement with snapchat [TS]

00:12:37   mm-hmm [TS]

00:12:38   ty can speak I never actually had one [TS]

00:12:42   will you be harassed harassed born [TS]

00:12:45   snapchat yeah well I don't know what you [TS]

00:12:48   can say no no you know my millennial [TS]

00:12:52   girl millennium girlfriend was a [TS]

00:12:53   snapchat we were NDA of admitting that [TS]

00:12:55   your millennium girlfriend worked a [TS]

00:12:57   snapchat right right you're out of that [TS]

00:13:00   officially you can say yeah I'm you know [TS]

00:13:04   like time passages whoo-hoo buy me a [TS]

00:13:07   ticket on the last plane home tonight [TS]

00:13:08   that's right [TS]

00:13:10   and so so now when I reflect [TS]

00:13:13   back on my snapchat years on my home and [TS]

00:13:16   my time in the trenches there was nap [TS]

00:13:19   death I you know I was in a very [TS]

00:13:22   privileged position prior to the release [TS]

00:13:25   of the snapchat glasses you may remember [TS]

00:13:30   this was a big event mm-hmm in remember [TS]

00:13:34   rare as hen's teeth very hard behind [TS]

00:13:36   that's right [TS]

00:13:37   that's right yeah Matt how we even sent [TS]

00:13:39   me an email during the during the [TS]

00:13:41   excitement is he gonna use it to open [TS]

00:13:43   his garage door he said what do I have [TS]

00:13:47   to do to get a pair of those glasses you [TS]

00:13:50   know within that that first week of just [TS]

00:13:52   like they were they were $1,500 a pair [TS]

00:13:55   you know they were just going crazy you [TS]

00:13:57   did you find my like a vending machine [TS]

00:13:58   yeah you couldn't get him anywhere [TS]

00:14:00   except these vending machines and [TS]

00:14:01   snapchat would put of any machine [TS]

00:14:04   somewhere and not tell anybody and then [TS]

00:14:05   it was just like oh there's a vending [TS]

00:14:07   machine over there and you know they had [TS]

00:14:09   this whole this is guy but most [TS]

00:14:10   millennium thing ever real $1500 camera [TS]

00:14:15   glasses stands yeah and you could only [TS]

00:14:17   buy I think you could buy two that was [TS]

00:14:20   you were you could go to the machine you [TS]

00:14:22   could buy two and then it was done and [TS]

00:14:25   so during the run-up to the glasses [TS]

00:14:28   right I mean my lady was the lawyer [TS]

00:14:31   there and she she was the lawyer of the [TS]

00:14:34   labs that were developing the [TS]

00:14:37   technologies of the glasses and stuff [TS]

00:14:39   not not app side but like real world [TS]

00:14:42   side so these glasses we're all talking [TS]

00:14:45   about these glasses it's all Jewish [TS]

00:14:47   nobody can talk about it and little by [TS]

00:14:50   little like the glasses start to what [TS]

00:14:52   they are and what they're intended to do [TS]

00:14:53   start to trickle to me I can sight I see [TS]

00:14:57   a prototype of them I'm you know that [TS]

00:15:00   like millennium girlfriend has a pair [TS]

00:15:03   all of a sudden and we're playing with [TS]

00:15:05   them and this is you know a long time [TS]

00:15:07   before it's it can be talked about and I [TS]

00:15:10   got really excited about it at the [TS]

00:15:12   beginning at the with the teaser because [TS]

00:15:14   I thought of course this is this is the [TS]

00:15:18   beginning of real useful AR it's gonna [TS]

00:15:22   be glasses where you put them on and it [TS]

00:15:25   puts snapchat filters on people in real [TS]

00:15:28   it was just like this is gonna be so [TS]

00:15:30   killer I be thinking about stuff like [TS]

00:15:32   can I like my money ever since I was a [TS]

00:15:34   kid I've always thought no I think it's [TS]

00:15:35   a terrible idea [TS]

00:15:36   but when I was a kid I thought it'd be [TS]

00:15:37   cool if we were always recording [TS]

00:15:39   everything that we see and you'd go like [TS]

00:15:40   oh what's that really Craig T Nelson I [TS]

00:15:42   saw at the airport let me roll that back [TS]

00:15:44   you know that outrunning is that way [TS]

00:15:45   it's not what that person said three and [TS]

00:15:47   you could go back to Google but I'm [TS]

00:15:49   still like just the ability to have [TS]

00:15:50   these little round glasses with a camera [TS]

00:15:52   in I mean you could just you be snapping [TS]

00:15:53   and shining like all the time well when [TS]

00:15:55   when google glass came out my friend [TS]

00:15:57   dave miner who owns that bar i've taken [TS]

00:16:00   you there the five point here in seattle [TS]

00:16:02   they put up a very conspicuous sign that [TS]

00:16:04   said no Google glass allowed in the bar [TS]

00:16:06   it was part of their overall policy to [TS]

00:16:09   be like as punk as punk as possible at [TS]

00:16:12   all times but that got into the funk [TS]

00:16:15   rockin prohibiting things with signs and [TS]

00:16:33   so but then as it got closer and closer [TS]

00:16:36   rights now these these specs it was [TS]

00:16:39   clear it was clear as they got closer to [TS]

00:16:42   being released that they didn't do [TS]

00:16:43   anything they were just they were very [TS]

00:16:45   cool looking glasses I have to say [TS]

00:16:48   nothing all they did was just take like [TS]

00:16:52   30-second snaps and you couldn't even [TS]

00:16:55   see it didn't there was no playback [TS]

00:16:57   mechanism it was just a little tiny [TS]

00:16:58   camera in the corner of some sunglasses [TS]

00:16:59   oh it's a thin client eyeglass yeah to [TS]

00:17:03   your device you got the earth it there [TS]

00:17:05   that's right and then it then it's on [TS]

00:17:07   your phone and then you can post it or [TS]

00:17:08   whatever but it wasn't it didn't have [TS]

00:17:10   any the glasses themselves did did zilch [TS]

00:17:13   basically it was just like holding a [TS]

00:17:15   phone up to here to the side of your [TS]

00:17:17   head and and I guess it was cool if you [TS]

00:17:19   wanted if you were somebody that wanted [TS]

00:17:21   to snapchat yourself like skiing off a [TS]

00:17:23   buffle mobile or something but otherwise [TS]

00:17:25   most people just hold up their phone and [TS]

00:17:28   you couldn't selfie which was the number [TS]

00:17:29   one thing that made snapchat interesting [TS]

00:17:31   to people so that would do some [TS]

00:17:35   acrobatic glassware couldn't do it right [TS]

00:17:37   you have to have your friend selfie to [TS]

00:17:39   snap you and you press snap your friend [TS]

00:17:40   and that's not [TS]

00:17:41   how snapchat even worked it wasn't meant [TS]

00:17:43   to be like that kind of thing so anyway [TS]

00:17:46   there was this huge roll out and and [TS]

00:17:49   millennium girlfriend and I actually [TS]

00:17:51   went to New York City for the big [TS]

00:17:53   rollout and there was a pop-up store [TS]

00:17:57   that they built right next to Apple the [TS]

00:18:00   Apple store across the street from [TS]

00:18:02   Central Park and it was like all secret [TS]

00:18:06   and covered in scaffolding and we went [TS]

00:18:09   there the night before and it was a big [TS]

00:18:12   big empty cold empty room and at the [TS]

00:18:18   very end of this cold empty room was [TS]

00:18:20   this little vending machine that looked [TS]

00:18:23   like a Pokemon and it was a cutest [TS]

00:18:27   little vending machine in the world and [TS]

00:18:29   you kind of walk up to it and there's a [TS]

00:18:30   computer screen on it it sees you and [TS]

00:18:33   it's like hi and you're like hi and it [TS]

00:18:37   says do you want these things and you're [TS]

00:18:39   like I really do and then it like you [TS]

00:18:42   have a little fun that fun moment with [TS]

00:18:44   it and it gives you the little things [TS]

00:18:45   which are beautiful and they're in a [TS]

00:18:48   little case that's beautiful everything [TS]

00:18:50   about it was beautiful they just didn't [TS]

00:18:53   do anything and so then it was release [TS]

00:18:58   day and there's this line down the block [TS]

00:19:02   and like Kanye's managers there and and [TS]

00:19:07   and it's just this whole big scene and [TS]

00:19:10   everybody's trying to everybody's [TS]

00:19:11   clapping for these things and they're on [TS]

00:19:13   the internet I swear to you they were [TS]

00:19:14   like $1,500 a pair and I'm getting [TS]

00:19:18   emails from that how you right and left [TS]

00:19:19   and I I went with my lady to the event [TS]

00:19:24   and she's there kind of lawyering around [TS]

00:19:26   and then someone says - oh oh oh and [TS]

00:19:30   they're like tons and tons of him [TS]

00:19:32   snapchat employees there and they're all [TS]

00:19:35   they're all super casual but when you [TS]

00:19:37   when you really know the deal like their [TS]

00:19:39   t-shirt and jeans like cost $1500 each [TS]

00:19:43   or whatever I mean it's like very very [TS]

00:19:45   tech [TS]

00:19:47   check up cool up down cool huh [TS]

00:19:50   everybody's got a headset on they all [TS]

00:19:52   have little hear pieces and microphones [TS]

00:19:54   and the word gets to us like do you guys [TS]

00:19:57   want to go in the line up to the machine [TS]

00:19:59   do you guys want to get some specs [TS]

00:20:02   yourself and we looked at each other and [TS]

00:20:04   we were like sure you know like yeah of [TS]

00:20:07   course we get it we get to go up there [TS]

00:20:09   too because they were it was a embargo [TS]

00:20:11   right you couldn't employees the [TS]

00:20:13   snapchat did not get these things for [TS]

00:20:15   free this was like sometimes he would [TS]

00:20:17   drop and when I say he I mean whoever [TS]

00:20:20   the kid is that runs snapchat who's like [TS]

00:20:21   28 years old todd todd snap todd snap [TS]

00:20:26   right the todd snap of the of the east [TS]

00:20:28   coast naps he would put these little [TS]

00:20:32   snapchat machines like in the Mojave [TS]

00:20:34   Desert or he'd drop one into the Amazon [TS]

00:20:36   it was like what are you gonna do now [TS]

00:20:38   there's there these are available but [TS]

00:20:41   only at this thing that's like up the [TS]

00:20:44   Amazon River Todd understands scarcity [TS]

00:20:46   and welcome to the machine and like all [TS]

00:20:55   eyes are on us right people have been [TS]

00:20:57   waiting all day to get in this and we're [TS]

00:20:59   like we've cut ahead in the line and [TS]

00:21:01   it's cold warehouse and people are [TS]

00:21:02   standing on looking at us and we walked [TS]

00:21:04   up to the machine and big big [TS]

00:21:17   peanutbutter jars full of quarters [TS]

00:21:22   but we walk up when we're looking at it [TS]

00:21:24   we're talking to the machine machines [TS]

00:21:26   like hey you know what's up and we're [TS]

00:21:29   like oh man you know we can pick a [TS]

00:21:32   couple of different colors and we have [TS]

00:21:34   some decisions to make like which colors [TS]

00:21:36   do we want or and she and I are looking [TS]

00:21:38   at each other and we're like ah well we [TS]

00:21:40   should get some for this person and that [TS]

00:21:43   person and and we both kind of just [TS]

00:21:48   arrived at this moment like I don't I [TS]

00:21:51   don't really want one of these to you [TS]

00:21:55   know not interrupt but this is after [TS]

00:21:58   having played with the prototypes and [TS]

00:22:00   the emerging you know already had [TS]

00:22:02   experience with these things as it was [TS]

00:22:04   getting prototyped and in the like three [TS]

00:22:07   days leading up to the release of the [TS]

00:22:09   thing we had been walking around [TS]

00:22:11   Manhattan wearing them okay almost like [TS]

00:22:13   you got like a demo from Apple like you [TS]

00:22:14   got this unit to try out but it wasn't [TS]

00:22:16   gonna be yours to keep [TS]

00:22:17   yeah and it was it was like you know [TS]

00:22:19   we'd walk a we'd walk around with these [TS]

00:22:21   things on until we saw somebody looking [TS]

00:22:24   at us like some young person who was [TS]

00:22:27   like oh my god are those and then we [TS]

00:22:30   would quickly take them off and like run [TS]

00:22:32   away like run down the steps of the [TS]

00:22:34   subway to like because we were the [TS]

00:22:36   Beatles in 64 mm-hmm [TS]

00:22:38   you'd be set upon by top nuts that's [TS]

00:22:39   right and we ended up not we ended up [TS]

00:22:45   like standing there and basically the [TS]

00:22:48   only thing we could think of is well we [TS]

00:22:50   could really we could if we if we bought [TS]

00:22:52   a bunch of these we could go turn them [TS]

00:22:53   on the internet real fast and it was [TS]

00:22:55   like well yeah that's not really who we [TS]

00:22:57   are either so so that was an example of [TS]

00:23:00   a tech moment in recent days where I [TS]

00:23:03   felt like super excited about what a [TS]

00:23:06   thing could be and then as the thing got [TS]

00:23:10   closer and closer to real it was it was [TS]

00:23:13   clearer and clearer this is not gonna be [TS]

00:23:17   this isn't gonna be cool at all this is [TS]

00:23:19   just gonna be a this is like us this is [TS]

00:23:21   a thing that is going to lay the [TS]

00:23:23   groundwork for someone else to come [TS]

00:23:25   along yeah and do the thing which we all [TS]

00:23:27   know is coming which is to make a Google [TS]

00:23:31   glass that looks cool [TS]

00:23:34   like from what Google glass is that it [TS]

00:23:37   was a good idea that wasn't very [TS]

00:23:39   functional yet Turkey and a little bit [TS]

00:23:41   of its time right [TS]

00:23:43   the thing about snap glass was they [TS]

00:23:45   looked SuperDuper cool and did zilch now [TS]

00:23:50   we're still waiting for someone to come [TS]

00:23:52   out with a with a glasses that looks [TS]

00:23:54   cool that can also do things and and the [TS]

00:23:58   day it happens man [TS]

00:23:59   somebody's gonna somebody's gonna get to [TS]

00:24:02   be a rich person they're gonna get to [TS]

00:24:03   put their vending machine in the Amazon [TS]

00:24:05   mm-hm [TS]

00:24:06   I got a lot of thoughts on that are you [TS]

00:24:10   ready I mean are you ready not that [TS]

00:24:13   interesting are you ready there's a [TS]

00:24:17   couple things with that I mean you know [TS]

00:24:20   any time some new thing comes along and [TS]

00:24:22   I haven't prepared anything for this but [TS]

00:24:23   I'm thinking about like how like for [TS]

00:24:26   example for a long time a lot of people [TS]

00:24:27   have said I really hope Apple makes a [TS]

00:24:30   real like not just Apple TV the set-top [TS]

00:24:32   device but I really hope Apple makes a [TS]

00:24:33   TV and like I don't I'm on the infinite [TS]

00:24:37   timescale as John siracusa says yeah [TS]

00:24:39   sure that could happen but like really [TS]

00:24:41   do you really want that like I want [TS]

00:24:43   fewer things that have to be this one [TS]

00:24:46   way I mean think about the way that your [TS]

00:24:48   phone went from being something that was [TS]

00:24:50   a flip phone that had phone numbers and [TS]

00:24:53   the game snake on it to being something [TS]

00:24:54   where you could put your own put apps on [TS]

00:24:56   there that did lots of stuff and now it [TS]

00:24:58   became not a dumb device that's a very [TS]

00:25:00   smart device but the smartness of the [TS]

00:25:02   device came out of what you were able to [TS]

00:25:03   put on this really top-notch thing that [TS]

00:25:06   you were was a pleasure to use even [TS]

00:25:08   without apps the problem is that would [TS]

00:25:09   you ever just buy those round glasses [TS]

00:25:11   with a little camera on it no I mean [TS]

00:25:12   like which what you want is you want [TS]

00:25:14   something bigger out of that so I mean [TS]

00:25:16   the the real real technology it seems [TS]

00:25:19   like it's gonna be more like a sci-fi [TS]

00:25:20   contact lens type situation where you [TS]

00:25:23   take whatever glasses you already have a [TS]

00:25:25   fix this almost impossibly tiny dingus [TS]

00:25:28   to it and get all of the functionality [TS]

00:25:29   out of that without needing to have [TS]

00:25:31   dorky glasses that have a camera built [TS]

00:25:32   into them I know that's very you know [TS]

00:25:34   future stuff but that's that's when [TS]

00:25:36   you'll know it's arrived I mean you have [TS]

00:25:38   to go through these stages of [TS]

00:25:39   awkwardness you have to learn what [TS]

00:25:41   doesn't work you have to learn you know [TS]

00:25:43   just [TS]

00:25:44   just the component parts get cheaper or [TS]

00:25:46   more powerful all that changes I don't [TS]

00:25:48   know I'm just I'm always skeptical with [TS]

00:25:49   the first version of anything not [TS]

00:25:51   because I think it's a bad idea but [TS]

00:25:53   because like just what you described [TS]

00:25:54   which is there's so much stuff out there [TS]

00:25:56   I'm excited about it arrives and it's [TS]

00:25:58   fun for 90 minutes and you know this is [TS]

00:26:01   this is a gizmo this is a gadget it's a [TS]

00:26:03   fun thing but like this is not gonna be [TS]

00:26:04   part of my life yet you were an early [TS]

00:26:07   adopter of the Apple watch Amira correct [TS]

00:26:09   early ish [TS]

00:26:11   I'm trying to think of what I was a [TS]

00:26:12   really early adopter of podcasts [TS]

00:26:14   probably but yeah as far as technology [TS]

00:26:16   you were early on Twitter ly on Twitter [TS]

00:26:19   but as far as like the hardware stuff [TS]

00:26:21   okay look at it this way talk about [TS]

00:26:22   watches I've had like I don't wear [TS]

00:26:24   watches alright but I got like a sleep [TS]

00:26:27   watch where of course I'm obsessed with [TS]

00:26:30   my sleep and have another friend of mine [TS]

00:26:31   who was also obsessed with this sleep [TS]

00:26:33   talked about this watch he can get and [TS]

00:26:34   it was so dorky I mean it look it looked [TS]

00:26:37   like now I got not even as cool as a [TS]

00:26:40   dive watch but it was like having like [TS]

00:26:42   at the box from an engagement ring on [TS]

00:26:45   your wrist all the time was just this [TS]

00:26:47   huge ungainly thing and then when you [TS]

00:26:50   were when you woke up in the morning he [TS]

00:26:51   said I've got sleeping then you would go [TS]

00:26:53   and attach it via USB to your computer [TS]

00:26:55   and it would suck down that information [TS]

00:26:57   into a terrible app and like okay that's [TS]

00:27:00   it you know it was like a Palm Pilot for [TS]

00:27:02   sleep in some ways whereas now today I [TS]

00:27:04   have a Fitbit that automatically detects [TS]

00:27:06   when I go to sleep it automatically yeah [TS]

00:27:08   yeah and no one's talking about my sleep [TS]

00:27:10   at some point but ya know it does all [TS]

00:27:12   that automatically now and it's it's [TS]

00:27:14   it's it's fine [TS]

00:27:16   early adaptors of stuff I've bought a [TS]

00:27:18   lot of digital cameras over time yeah [TS]

00:27:21   yeah I love you know I remember yeah [TS]

00:27:24   when I first met you it was kind of like [TS]

00:27:26   when I was really getting into this [TS]

00:27:27   whole the whole stack of like digital [TS]

00:27:30   camera plus flicker as a thing and I [TS]

00:27:32   really that was in Flickr was a really [TS]

00:27:34   fun community and a great app a great [TS]

00:27:37   site and so that was a nice thing you [TS]

00:27:39   were an early adopter of LiveJournal I [TS]

00:27:42   was I loved LiveJournal yeah but I'd [TS]

00:27:44   look at it's funny now I look at photos [TS]

00:27:46   even of like around the time most [TS]

00:27:48   certainly stuff I took on my first [TS]

00:27:51   digital camera in 1999 is Halle Larry [TS]

00:27:53   yes like pictures of my now wife and me [TS]

00:27:55   around the time I first got a digital [TS]

00:27:57   camera [TS]

00:27:58   and if they're just they're just like a [TS]

00:27:59   colorful smudge it's it's so weird I [TS]

00:28:02   mean and you know this there's a [TS]

00:28:03   services that'll like seho you know [TS]

00:28:05   here's photos you took this many years [TS]

00:28:07   ago and even photos taken during my [TS]

00:28:08   daughter's lifetime I can't believe the [TS]

00:28:09   difference in quality I'm not sure where [TS]

00:28:11   I'm going with this I haven't been an [TS]

00:28:13   early adopter of that that many things [TS]

00:28:15   you did so many great Charles Peterson [TS]

00:28:18   style camera effects with your digital [TS]

00:28:21   Rockefeller filters long before filters [TS]

00:28:26   existed I know I have some great photos [TS]

00:28:29   there's a picture of me with some [TS]

00:28:30   chopsticks in San Francisco holding up [TS]

00:28:33   some kind of beam and you have digitally [TS]

00:28:36   smeared it with light and it's like so [TS]

00:28:39   cool or there's a picture of Madeline [TS]

00:28:40   and me talking at pictures of your mom [TS]

00:28:44   that way it was when you guys were doing [TS]

00:28:53   your little inside Seattle mini tour for [TS]

00:28:56   probably putting the days to bed and we [TS]

00:28:58   all in Josh and Emily know some of your [TS]

00:29:04   dad high-quality hang time with your dad [TS]

00:29:08   at I think a Death Cab show you guys [TS]

00:29:16   don't realize that that the first [TS]

00:29:18   contact I had with you was contacted I [TS]

00:29:21   don't think you were I I'm not a hundred [TS]

00:29:24   percent sure that you even were aware of [TS]

00:29:28   it was I mean I know you were aware of [TS]

00:29:30   it but I don't think when we actually [TS]

00:29:32   met in person that we made the [TS]

00:29:33   connection right away which was that a [TS]

00:29:36   kid came up to me in Boston stocking no [TS]

00:29:42   he said hold this bag of booty Dan that [TS]

00:29:47   would be my friend Dan he put some booty [TS]

00:29:48   in your hand and we took a photo yeah [TS]

00:29:50   little Dan in Boston who was a sweet guy [TS]

00:29:53   and he would come in at the time and now [TS]

00:29:58   he's a big boy yeah he was he was little [TS]

00:30:01   then and he was one of the he was one of [TS]

00:30:03   the mafia of indie rockers that would [TS]

00:30:05   come to to all indie rock shows yes but [TS]

00:30:09   he was like put this hold this [TS]

00:30:11   Pirate's Booty I want to take a picture [TS]

00:30:12   for you for a friend of mine in San [TS]

00:30:14   Francisco has a blog of rock musicians [TS]

00:30:17   holding piracy serves you had short hair [TS]

00:30:20   and no beard at the time look I looked [TS]

00:30:22   like I was 17 yeah and I'm like scallop [TS]

00:30:25   I look like a scallop and I'm holding [TS]

00:30:27   this pirates booty with this big dumb [TS]

00:30:29   smile of like okay because that was what [TS]

00:30:32   the internet was to me at the time it [TS]

00:30:33   was just like idea what the yeah I was [TS]

00:30:38   like okay so a guy in San Francisco [TS]

00:30:40   Boston our friends first of all and you [TS]

00:30:45   send him these pictures and he puts them [TS]

00:30:47   on the Internet okay and so I see that [TS]

00:30:51   picture pop up for once one I'm like oh [TS]

00:30:53   yeah that was really like I honestly did [TS]

00:30:56   think that the internet was a was just [TS]

00:30:58   some kind of like a message board for [TS]

00:31:01   nerds sharing this type of thing and [TS]

00:31:04   then when I met you which wasn't that [TS]

00:31:07   much longer some I remember having a [TS]

00:31:10   conversation where you were like oh yeah [TS]

00:31:12   you're in the Pirate's Booty this and I [TS]

00:31:16   was like that's you here we got David [TS]

00:31:20   Cross we got Mac from Superchunk we got [TS]

00:31:24   my dog let's see I think Matthew cause [TS]

00:31:27   is in here somewhere [TS]

00:31:28   sure I'm sure all of the extant long [TS]

00:31:32   winters at the time are in here my [TS]

00:31:34   friend Matt the surfer oh yeah these are [TS]

00:31:37   good these are good good photos our is [TS]

00:31:40   Flickr still available to people can [TS]

00:31:43   people stay dude yeah I mean what [TS]

00:31:46   happened why didn't they [TS]

00:31:47   why didn't they become the future it's a [TS]

00:31:52   long story I mean I think the the [TS]

00:31:55   shortage all there's so many cute [TS]

00:31:56   pictures with dogs - these are so cute [TS]

00:31:58   I'll see if I can find yours in here [TS]

00:32:00   well you know they got bought up by the [TS]

00:32:03   Yahoo oh look [TS]

00:32:04   oh it's Jay from Sloan and there's Matt [TS]

00:32:06   from orange er there's Chris from Sloan [TS]

00:32:08   this is good these are good photos [TS]

00:32:10   property look I should close this Oh [TS]

00:32:13   somebody put it in Mayor Fiorello statue [TS]

00:32:15   hands look at that you know I think I [TS]

00:32:17   bought by Yahoo and everything was fine [TS]

00:32:18   for a while and then they got kind of [TS]

00:32:20   under indie resourced and [TS]

00:32:23   when actually visited with did a little [TS]

00:32:25   mini talk with the Flickr group after [TS]

00:32:28   the acquisition and they were still like [TS]

00:32:30   so game and they were trying so hard but [TS]

00:32:33   there's no wood behind the arrow you [TS]

00:32:35   know what's your part of the the big [TS]

00:32:37   company it's it's hard and it's it sucks [TS]

00:32:40   cuz it was such a great app it was so [TS]

00:32:41   fun to use and it really was like a [TS]

00:32:42   little community like it was one of [TS]

00:32:44   those rare things where like at the [TS]

00:32:46   beginning this is so fucking boring at [TS]

00:32:47   the beginning of that kind of exciting [TS]

00:32:48   web 2.0 era there was like all these [TS]

00:32:50   great little things that people would [TS]

00:32:51   get on and it was actually useful and [TS]

00:32:52   actually fun and he actually would meet [TS]

00:32:54   people through it you know like Mike [TS]

00:32:55   livejournal which is a very web 1.0 but [TS]

00:32:58   I'll find that photo for you it's cut [TS]

00:33:00   beer I got to close that tab though cuz [TS]

00:33:01   I'm looking all these old pictures and [TS]

00:33:02   boy the photos are terrible cameras used [TS]

00:33:05   to be bad yeah yeah yeah they were [TS]

00:33:07   terrible they were terrible terrible [TS]

00:33:08   terrible yeah the first digital camera I [TS]

00:33:11   ever saw was at a restaurant in Seattle [TS]

00:33:14   where I used to go to get late-night [TS]

00:33:16   stroganoff and this was during that [TS]

00:33:19   phase where you know when I was a little [TS]

00:33:21   kid when I was a kid I loved stroganoff [TS]

00:33:23   because stroganoff was made with [TS]

00:33:24   hamburger and cream of mushroom soup [TS]

00:33:28   that was back when America understood [TS]

00:33:30   how to make garbage food for kids [TS]

00:33:33   Campbell Soup Company they really got [TS]

00:33:35   behind that they said look there's stuff [TS]

00:33:37   you could do with our soup that you have [TS]

00:33:38   not even thought about yet yeah throw [TS]

00:33:40   some hamburger in it and then put it [TS]

00:33:42   over noodles now where are we [TS]

00:33:43   yes we're somewhere we're somewhere [TS]

00:33:45   further down the road better well so I [TS]

00:33:49   started going to restaurants at that at [TS]

00:33:51   that a magical age when I could suddenly [TS]

00:33:53   afford to buy not just tacos grant [TS]

00:33:57   because I had a job and I could go to [TS]

00:33:59   places in the 11 o'clock at night that [TS]

00:34:01   were open and I could order things that [TS]

00:34:03   I wanted and I saw stroganoff on the [TS]

00:34:04   menu and I was like ambrosia stroganoff [TS]

00:34:07   and it showed up and it was flank steak [TS]

00:34:10   and onions cooked and put over noodles [TS]

00:34:13   huh and here's the thing that you don't [TS]

00:34:15   want which is a long cooked onion over a [TS]

00:34:18   plate of noodles because a onion a [TS]

00:34:22   cooked onion looks like a noodle I don't [TS]

00:34:24   think that's anybody's favorite food no [TS]

00:34:26   no and it was there it was an early [TS]

00:34:28   experience of the over fanciful of [TS]

00:34:32   things and I realized that Oh strong [TS]

00:34:35   enough I guess this is how well [TS]

00:34:37   originally and maybe the hamburger [TS]

00:34:39   version was an abomination but this is [TS]

00:34:42   way worse and but I loved stroganoff I [TS]

00:34:45   thought and so I spent years eating [TS]

00:34:47   flank steak stroganoff but dreaming of [TS]

00:34:52   hamburger stroganoff and now I'm finally [TS]

00:34:55   at the age where I can just go back and [TS]

00:34:57   eat bean casserole and hamburger [TS]

00:34:59   stroganoff and nobody can tell me [TS]

00:35:00   different uh-huh [TS]

00:35:01   it's like I can I can have cafeteria [TS]

00:35:04   food for the rest of my life and people [TS]

00:35:05   are people yell at me they yell at me [TS]

00:35:07   with their eyes I was at a party the [TS]

00:35:10   other day and I was like so I get up in [TS]

00:35:12   the morning oh they were like tell me [TS]

00:35:13   about how do you do a podcast and I said [TS]

00:35:15   well what I do is I get up in the [TS]

00:35:16   morning i microwave a cup of coffee and [TS]

00:35:18   I go talk to my friends and they were [TS]

00:35:21   like it was a it was a husband and wife [TS]

00:35:23   and they both like took a small step [TS]

00:35:25   back and we're like microwave your [TS]

00:35:27   coffee I was like oh don't get me [TS]

00:35:29   started there we go i microwave my [TS]

00:35:31   coffee I have a little I've been I [TS]

00:35:32   microwave some hamburger stroganoff [TS]

00:35:34   mm-hmm I sit and sit on the front seat [TS]

00:35:37   of my dad's car which is like a couch [TS]

00:35:39   sigh mm-hmm go to the State Fair [TS]

00:35:43   you know borders I blame the internet oh [TS]

00:35:45   as with so many things I blame the [TS]

00:35:47   internet I was thinking about this today [TS]

00:35:48   and it lots of people lots of old men [TS]

00:35:50   have talked about this you kind of [TS]

00:35:51   there's a part of you that pines for a [TS]

00:35:54   time when you could be at a party or a [TS]

00:35:58   dinner or waiting for a bus and have an [TS]

00:36:00   argument not an argument but a you know [TS]

00:36:02   an argument with somebody about what the [TS]

00:36:03   same thing existed no no yeah yeah and [TS]

00:36:09   and there was not really a way to [TS]

00:36:10   resolve it it's like well you're not [TS]

00:36:11   gonna get on a bus and go to the library [TS]

00:36:13   and go to famous firsts look you're not [TS]

00:36:17   gonna go like looking at encyclopedia [TS]

00:36:18   you can't cuz you got to go on your [TS]

00:36:19   goddamn bus and like this is why this is [TS]

00:36:22   I'm sorry to interrupt this is why the [TS]

00:36:24   Guinness Book of World Records existence [TS]

00:36:26   no I know Robert Doyle Hughes but go on [TS]

00:36:30   and now today you can like before [TS]

00:36:33   somebody's done having their out of [TS]

00:36:35   nowhere reckon about something somebody [TS]

00:36:36   else has already looked it up and you [TS]

00:36:38   can say no no no no no you know but like [TS]

00:36:40   the other side of that is back in the [TS]

00:36:42   day you could also get a bike a party [TS]

00:36:44   from a bunch of people who thought that [TS]

00:36:45   no you're doing stroganoff wrong so I [TS]

00:36:47   guess now you you know as the aggrieved [TS]

00:36:50   party you could [TS]

00:36:50   pull up your phone and say no no there [TS]

00:36:52   are many kinds of strokes and struggles [TS]

00:36:54   off like I can do this anyway this is [TS]

00:36:56   this is my house it's a land of [TS]

00:37:00   contrasts but I do kind of Miss the the [TS]

00:37:02   unknowability of things yeah yeah well I [TS]

00:37:06   do too but I had a I had a interesting [TS]

00:37:09   insight not very long ago which was that [TS]

00:37:14   my dad being the greatest generation [TS]

00:37:16   sons ever ever of all time born in 1921 [TS]

00:37:21   he and his cohort which includes Sammy [TS]

00:37:27   Davis jr. well let's can enjoy that and [TS]

00:37:30   John F Kennedy what about Johnny Carson [TS]

00:37:32   we be part of that cohort Johnny Carson [TS]

00:37:34   absolutely part of that cohort they [TS]

00:37:37   continued to be the prime movers of the [TS]

00:37:41   culture I would say all the way through [TS]

00:37:46   the Beatles all the way until about well [TS]

00:37:51   until about 1968 and we like to look [TS]

00:37:55   back and think oh you know from the [TS]

00:37:57   Beatles on it was the youth or even from [TS]

00:38:00   Elvis on it was the youth of America and [TS]

00:38:02   rock-and-roll but those people were just [TS]

00:38:04   children in terms of the culture who was [TS]

00:38:07   really driving the cultural the culture [TS]

00:38:10   and it was only in about the late 60s [TS]

00:38:13   where the were kids in college and their [TS]

00:38:16   protests and the [TS]

00:38:18   you know and the fact that that the the [TS]

00:38:21   liberal dream of my dad's generation [TS]

00:38:24   which was Kennedy Martin Luther King LBJ [TS]

00:38:27   all of that stuff all everybody was [TS]

00:38:30   killed basically and then it right about [TS]

00:38:33   the late 60s right about 1970 the [TS]

00:38:36   Greatest Generation just lost the just [TS]

00:38:39   steering wheel got taken from them and [TS]

00:38:41   my dad was you know an absolute like as [TS]

00:38:44   far left as you could be but it took him [TS]

00:38:46   several years to get to an understanding [TS]

00:38:50   that you could protest against the the [TS]

00:38:53   army being in Vietnam he was just he it [TS]

00:38:57   had never occurred to anybody of his [TS]

00:38:58   generation to be against the way we see [TS]

00:39:02   played out in episode 9 I believe it is [TS]

00:39:04   of the the Vietnam War series that I've [TS]

00:39:06   now watched twice where like it was it [TS]

00:39:09   was pretty awkward and pretty weird [TS]

00:39:10   especially after the Veterans Against [TS]

00:39:13   the War March when things got further [TS]

00:39:15   radicalized and they found themselves [TS]

00:39:16   that they were that even though the tide [TS]

00:39:18   of opinion across the nation was turning [TS]

00:39:20   against the war now they were like [TS]

00:39:22   radicalizing everybody by saying oh no [TS]

00:39:24   but you're doing this protest wrong like [TS]

00:39:28   it was it must have been hard to know [TS]

00:39:29   like what kind of footing to find at [TS]

00:39:31   that time well my mom was against the [TS]

00:39:33   war from the very beginning and it was a [TS]

00:39:34   contention between it was a contention [TS]

00:39:37   within their marriage but you know they [TS]

00:39:38   were like that was the way liberals [TS]

00:39:40   words the way liberals still are right [TS]

00:39:42   she was like against the war and dad was [TS]

00:39:45   like he can't be against the war it's [TS]

00:39:47   the United States of America mm-hmm [TS]

00:39:50   but you know my dad's first wife this is [TS]

00:39:52   a little-known story in my family my [TS]

00:39:55   dad's first wife who is the mother of my [TS]

00:39:57   older brothers and sister at one point [TS]

00:40:00   my dad was running for like a major [TS]

00:40:04   position in the Washington State [TS]

00:40:05   Democratic Party and his wife Jean [TS]

00:40:11   decided to run against him forgotten [TS]

00:40:17   this is good if you can imagine what it [TS]

00:40:20   was like around the dinner table between [TS]

00:40:22   those was he already declared and [TS]

00:40:23   running and then he was running and then [TS]

00:40:27   she was like I don't think so and threw [TS]

00:40:29   her hat in the ring and this was like [TS]

00:40:35   what this was this was how well their [TS]

00:40:37   marriage didn't work out it happens but [TS]

00:40:40   they were married for eight years or [TS]

00:40:41   something eight nine years that's that's [TS]

00:40:42   not nothing [TS]

00:40:43   not nothing considering that she's [TS]

00:40:45   running against you in you know Chia and [TS]

00:40:47   she ran it she ran at him from the left [TS]

00:40:49   to I mean he was the he thought he was a [TS]

00:40:53   wall he didn't see that coming oh no you [TS]

00:40:55   never see it you never see it coming [TS]

00:40:56   when they run at you from the left not [TS]

00:40:59   when you think you're a good liberal but [TS]

00:41:02   one of the things that that one of the [TS]

00:41:03   insights that I had was in 1968 my dad [TS]

00:41:09   was 47 right so 1970 he was my age 49 [TS]

00:41:15   oh my god and that was the moment that [TS]

00:41:19   he and his friends finally just the [TS]

00:41:22   culture just went past them and from [TS]

00:41:25   that point on the be the the baby [TS]

00:41:28   boomers were determining what the what [TS]

00:41:30   the dialectic was and the the greatest [TS]

00:41:35   generation just gradually had to cede [TS]

00:41:38   that they were no longer I mean they [TS]

00:41:43   could you could get hip but you no [TS]

00:41:45   longer were really laying it out there [TS]

00:41:48   and it seems like like I guess this [TS]

00:41:51   happens a lot but it was so so clear in [TS]

00:41:54   such stark relief then like you like any [TS]

00:41:56   American you still get a vote on what [TS]

00:41:57   this stuff is but you don't have this [TS]

00:41:59   veto power or like utter primacy of [TS]

00:42:02   opinion anymore that like there's a lot [TS]

00:42:04   of people that don't aren't going to [TS]

00:42:06   automatically agree with you because [TS]

00:42:07   you're from the greatest generation [TS]

00:42:08   right are you because you're the dads or [TS]

00:42:11   the moms right and Carson retained his [TS]

00:42:14   cultural presence but but you see him [TS]

00:42:20   even turn throughout the 70s into [TS]

00:42:23   somebody that when Dean Martin was on [TS]

00:42:27   the show Carson was real comfortable and [TS]

00:42:30   then he would have young people on and [TS]

00:42:32   just sort of be like so what are you [TS]

00:42:35   folks all you know what are you kids [TS]

00:42:36   doing today it wasn't so far off Tiny [TS]

00:42:39   Tim I mean he's a little bit like you're [TS]

00:42:40   having these people on as a curiosity [TS]

00:42:42   yeah right and and Dick Cavett was more [TS]

00:42:45   you know was more on the street [TS]

00:42:47   although whatever but but but that's the [TS]

00:42:52   age that we are now you and I mm-hmm and [TS]

00:42:55   unfortunately because Generation X was [TS]

00:42:58   so small we never had we never had the [TS]

00:43:03   feeling that like we were making the [TS]

00:43:05   culture really the same no one has [TS]

00:43:08   really cared what we think never never [TS]

00:43:11   cared the the baby boomers alone the [TS]

00:43:13   thing that's wrong per se but like [TS]

00:43:17   there's not that many generations that [TS]

00:43:18   should have the right to be a listen [TS]

00:43:20   really nobody cared nobody cared no we [TS]

00:43:22   were just too small and we were just we [TS]

00:43:24   were too even from an early age we were [TS]

00:43:27   too resigned [TS]

00:43:28   just like her losers but but this this [TS]

00:43:32   feeling now of being 49 and looking and [TS]

00:43:34   saying like oh it doesn't matter it [TS]

00:43:36   doesn't matter whether I'm for or [TS]

00:43:38   against the war it's just and it's not [TS]

00:43:41   like you go out to pasture but you [TS]

00:43:42   definitely feel like you I mean it's not [TS]

00:43:46   even that I hand over the reins I never [TS]

00:43:48   had the reins you never had the reins [TS]

00:43:49   it's just like you watch the reins get [TS]

00:43:51   handed over in front of you and you're [TS]

00:43:53   like I didn't even get to touch the [TS]

00:43:54   reins I'm we're like the Prince Charles [TS]

00:43:56   of cultures it's just like I've been [TS]

00:44:00   sitting here in my double-breasted [TS]

00:44:01   jacket until the sleeves are all frayed [TS]

00:44:04   waiting to be king even for a minute [TS]

00:44:08   you know my daughter has actually asked [TS]

00:44:10   about that she's because it's really [TS]

00:44:12   interesting to think about this man's in [TS]

00:44:13   his 70s at this point right [TS]

00:44:15   hmm it's like and she's what 90 [TS]

00:44:17   something [TS]

00:44:18   yeah always the always a prince bride [TS]

00:44:21   never never another Queen Queen Queen [TS]

00:44:25   Mother right to being queen mother no [TS]

00:44:30   who is it who's the lead son right Bob [TS]

00:44:37   Bob brick King Bob he the the son the [TS]

00:44:42   number one son top son is very handsome [TS]

00:44:46   mm-hmm and then he's surprisingly I [TS]

00:44:49   think lost his hair and everybody was he [TS]

00:44:51   looks a lot like his beautiful mother [TS]

00:44:53   but with a receding hairline yeah it's a [TS]

00:44:55   shame it has receded all the way pretty [TS]

00:44:57   much but it did it at a young age when [TS]

00:45:00   he still was you know when he still was [TS]

00:45:02   so beautiful that sucks and he didn't do [TS]

00:45:05   it Donald Trump where he was just like [TS]

00:45:07   you know what I'm gonna be standing out [TS]

00:45:08   in front of an airplane a lot for the [TS]

00:45:10   next several years where my hair is [TS]

00:45:12   gonna be blown all around so I'm gonna [TS]

00:45:15   just I'm gonna be President baseball I'm [TS]

00:45:17   gonna make oh yeah or you're gonna [TS]

00:45:19   become president pastry hair well he was [TS]

00:45:22   always pastry hair guy right but he [TS]

00:45:23   became president and eight ball hat [TS]

00:45:26   pretty early on that's smart you think [TS]

00:45:28   that was a logistical decision based on [TS]

00:45:29   planes planes and helicopters sure [TS]

00:45:31   because you're standing around you can't [TS]

00:45:33   I mean in the past he was photographed [TS]

00:45:36   always under his own conditions and he [TS]

00:45:39   could have three people like [TS]

00:45:41   the closet spring lacquer on him mm-hmm [TS]

00:45:44   but I think I think early on he was [TS]

00:45:46   standing out on a tarmac somewhere while [TS]

00:45:48   the plane was winding up and his hair [TS]

00:45:50   was standing straight up like this like [TS]

00:45:52   a sailfish you may not be aware that I [TS]

00:45:55   collect and curate photographs [TS]

00:45:57   unflattering photographs of the [TS]

00:45:59   president no it was in the early days of [TS]

00:46:03   the whatever this is we're going through [TS]

00:46:07   it became I have several small forms of [TS]

00:46:10   therapy that are mostly just for me and [TS]

00:46:12   one of them was every time I find a [TS]

00:46:14   really good unflattering photo and a lot [TS]

00:46:16   of them are him and his his his giant [TS]

00:46:18   ass playing golf but I do have a few of [TS]

00:46:20   his hair giving up the ghost a little [TS]

00:46:23   bit and not like a lot of guys with that [TS]

00:46:26   kind of pastry hair he has some bits [TS]

00:46:28   that are very very long and once they [TS]

00:46:30   come away from the primary case they're [TS]

00:46:33   way up there you can see him get caught [TS]

00:46:38   a little bit in like in like minor [TS]

00:46:41   tornadoes where the hair is like not [TS]

00:46:42   only up but it's also sort of twisting [TS]

00:46:44   to see how I mean there's some things we [TS]

00:46:47   know and some things we can guess about [TS]

00:46:48   the man we can we it is believed that he [TS]

00:46:52   has some kind of apparent anxiety about [TS]

00:46:57   stairs hmm this is fairly widely [TS]

00:47:00   documented has not been proven but he [TS]

00:47:02   has for years he's been tweeting about [TS]

00:47:04   how President Obama should use the [TS]

00:47:06   handrail when he gets off Air Force One [TS]

00:47:07   that it's very unsafe he's got some [TS]

00:47:10   hangups and I think one of them is [TS]

00:47:11   stairs so we know he doesn't like stairs [TS]

00:47:12   we know it doesn't like wind he's got a [TS]

00:47:15   low center of gravity he should be [TS]

00:47:17   pretty good on stairs yeah I think he [TS]

00:47:19   doesn't trust his tiny feet I think he's [TS]

00:47:20   afraid he's gonna go ass over teakettle [TS]

00:47:22   but like shit think about getting on and [TS]

00:47:24   off of planes it must be such a [TS]

00:47:25   stressful thing and yet lately he's been [TS]

00:47:27   doing more and more of those screaming [TS]

00:47:28   over the helicopter blades sound a [TS]

00:47:30   little mini press conferences so he must [TS]

00:47:32   have found something that is working for [TS]

00:47:33   him I feel like the who I mean just the [TS]

00:47:38   like small power of the presidency which [TS]

00:47:42   is no small power right but the small [TS]

00:47:44   power to just be ferried everywhere by [TS]

00:47:46   helicopter and like Air Force One even [TS]

00:47:48   even though Air Force one is probably [TS]

00:47:50   decorated atrociously and he's not [TS]

00:47:52   helping [TS]

00:47:53   I can imagine that they have they have [TS]

00:47:56   probably screwed some chandeliers into [TS]

00:47:58   the ceiling of Air Force One we're just [TS]

00:48:01   not seeing it yet imagine it being like [TS]

00:48:02   the Duke in a number one king of New [TS]

00:48:06   York oh yeah let's go he's got like a [TS]

00:48:08   chandelier on his limo but I was just in [TS]

00:48:16   DC the other day and some minor minor [TS]

00:48:19   minor dignitary drove by in with a [TS]

00:48:23   police escort and I think it was a [TS]

00:48:25   caravan of like two SUVs and I [TS]

00:48:28   speculated too there was somebody [TS]

00:48:30   standing on the street corner and as you [TS]

00:48:32   know on the East Coast nobody likes [TS]

00:48:34   being addressed more than just an East [TS]

00:48:37   Coaster standing waiting for a light by [TS]

00:48:39   a by a stranger like hey who do you [TS]

00:48:41   think is in that Caravan that's anything [TS]

00:48:44   and the local guy was like I don't know [TS]

00:48:46   man and then the light changed and I was [TS]

00:48:49   like well that hey great talk mm-hmm but [TS]

00:48:51   I was trying to think like who gets a [TS]

00:48:54   minor league police escort like that [TS]

00:48:56   like you know it wasn't super minor [TS]

00:48:59   league it was four cops - at each corner [TS]

00:49:01   and they were getting to run lights [TS]

00:49:03   maybe somebody from Congress uh well [TS]

00:49:06   somebody else I think overheard me talk [TS]

00:49:09   to mr. guy who then split and I think [TS]

00:49:13   over my shoulder they said might be Paul [TS]

00:49:15   Ryan and I was like huh Paul Ryan you [TS]

00:49:19   think it's that yeah I suppose that's [TS]

00:49:22   about Ryan you know it's like because [TS]

00:49:26   like the king of Mombasa is gonna get a [TS]

00:49:30   big entourage they're gonna throw [TS]

00:49:31   they're gonna be throwing flower petals [TS]

00:49:34   out in front of them that's that's in [TS]

00:49:36   his Ryder [TS]

00:49:37   that's in his Ryder right so but that [TS]

00:49:40   type of thing where everywhere you go [TS]

00:49:42   that's the thing money can't buy like us [TS]

00:49:46   like Zuckerberg doesn't get 50 cops [TS]

00:49:51   follow him following him and like [TS]

00:49:53   running red lights and when the [TS]

00:49:56   president comes here they close down the [TS]

00:49:57   freeway I am it's so disruptive and that [TS]

00:50:00   is a big I think a thing that that that [TS]

00:50:05   president baseball hat [TS]

00:50:06   probably like after he realized oh you [TS]

00:50:10   don't get chandeliers in your limo but [TS]

00:50:12   you do get to close down the freeway [TS]

00:50:14   that's got to be really enticing that's [TS]

00:50:16   got to really make a person not want to [TS]

00:50:18   retire not want to resign mm-hmm you [TS]

00:50:21   know even even if you do want to resign [TS]

00:50:23   that's gonna make you think twice about [TS]

00:50:24   resigning because once that goes away [TS]

00:50:26   you never get it back I mean something [TS]

00:50:28   that many of us can appreciate or [TS]

00:50:31   understand is first-class on a plane [TS]

00:50:35   so I i'd had a okay number of plane [TS]

00:50:38   flights throughout my life and then at [TS]

00:50:40   one point during the.com days my boss it [TS]

00:50:43   was a really great guy [TS]

00:50:44   upgraded me and I flew in 1999-2000 I [TS]

00:50:48   flew in first class for the first time [TS]

00:50:49   and you know it's such a it's such a [TS]

00:50:51   lame joke to make but it is kind of hard [TS]

00:50:54   to go back like once you've been in [TS]

00:50:56   first class and you especially today I [TS]

00:50:58   mean our first class today is like a put [TS]

00:51:03   it this way coach today not a fun [TS]

00:51:05   experience we've talked about this know [TS]

00:51:06   what it is what you have experienced [TS]

00:51:08   that and you go like this does not have [TS]

00:51:09   to be stressful and awful and I get to [TS]

00:51:12   feel a little bit fancy like especially [TS]

00:51:13   if you're a poor kid like me you go oh [TS]

00:51:15   this is this is kind of nice I would [TS]

00:51:17   love to do this again [TS]

00:51:18   and I bet it's like that to the tenth [TS]

00:51:19   power aspect especially if you're say a [TS]

00:51:21   Steve minuchin and or your price we're [TS]

00:51:24   talking about politics we promised we [TS]

00:51:26   wouldn't do that did we didn't talk [TS]

00:51:27   about politics well you know you talk [TS]

00:51:30   about optics optics you always had an [TS]

00:51:32   unofficial policy of let's not talk [TS]

00:51:34   about politics cuz I want to be able to [TS]

00:51:35   release them this is you don't talk [TS]

00:51:36   about religion in the ones that make it [TS]

00:51:38   on the air no no I'm not believe you me [TS]

00:51:44   my friend I know where the line is you [TS]

00:51:49   get quiet you get quiet for a little [TS]

00:51:51   while no no I know I know there was a [TS]

00:52:01   there was a while there right we're [TS]

00:52:02   right about an hour and 10 minutes in [TS]

00:52:05   where you were like this is a releasable [TS]

00:52:06   podcast you would view it would be so [TS]

00:52:08   good would be so close to being done and [TS]

00:52:10   be so close and then you would find a [TS]

00:52:12   message that you wanted to get out yeah [TS]

00:52:15   but you know [TS]

00:52:16   you know I don't disagree with your [TS]

00:52:17   message I just want to you know help the [TS]

00:52:18   nice people I know so no I believe I [TS]

00:52:25   believe the children are our future yeah [TS]

00:52:27   yeah but I do care to let them lead the [TS]

00:52:31   way are you really prepared that's the [TS]

00:52:33   thing about being 49 mm-hmm I feel like [TS]

00:52:36   one of the challenges that I've been [TS]

00:52:38   facing is how do I continue to be useful [TS]

00:52:41   to people which I've always desired to [TS]

00:52:43   be and tried to be how do I continue to [TS]

00:52:46   be useful while also acknowledging that [TS]

00:52:49   whether or not I think a thing matters [TS]

00:52:52   or is good or sensible no longer really [TS]

00:52:56   matters mm-hmm and so I want to continue [TS]

00:52:59   to be useful wanting to realize that [TS]

00:53:02   intellectually and then it's one thing [TS]

00:53:03   to see it play it out in every single [TS]

00:53:04   exchange of your life yeah since dad [TS]

00:53:08   where you're yelling at clouds yeah yeah [TS]

00:53:10   but you do want to be useful and there [TS]

00:53:15   was a time I think a long time before my [TS]

00:53:18   dad's generation where the understanding [TS]

00:53:22   continued to be that as people get older [TS]

00:53:24   they accrue wisdom and so are more [TS]

00:53:27   useful even if they aren't down in the [TS]

00:53:30   trenches doing things you go consult [TS]

00:53:32   them or whatever and then but you know [TS]

00:53:34   things changed that's nice that's not [TS]

00:53:38   fair to say the 20th century a lot of [TS]

00:53:39   stuff happened really fast but for many [TS]

00:53:41   mmm decades maybe even centuries the [TS]

00:53:44   pace of change would not exceed what [TS]

00:53:45   happened over two generations you can [TS]

00:53:47   say you know dad mom and dad have seen [TS]

00:53:49   some shit like we should listen to them [TS]

00:53:50   yeah right I mean daddy they know how to [TS]

00:53:52   root cellar we need the root cellar they [TS]

00:53:54   know from root cellar we should be [TS]

00:53:56   listening to them yeah right the wagon [TS]

00:53:58   is broken and only dad knows how to fix [TS]

00:54:00   it or how do you how do you water an [TS]

00:54:02   older horse hmm and you know Gramps has [TS]

00:54:06   got that kind of but but Gramps now is [TS]

00:54:08   like here's how you water an older horse [TS]

00:54:10   and like the kids are like son Jetson [TS]

00:54:13   scooters and they're like we don't use [TS]

00:54:15   horses great that's a good example yeah [TS]

00:54:17   well you know I like to help you've [TS]

00:54:20   given it some thought but like how can [TS]

00:54:25   we be useful without seeming grouchy [TS]

00:54:27   this has been something that we've been [TS]

00:54:29   all this time and realizing that my [TS]

00:54:32   looking at those photos of my dad right [TS]

00:54:34   around the time that I was that I was a [TS]

00:54:36   young young guy and my dad was like that [TS]

00:54:39   they all grew their sideburns long yeah [TS]

00:54:42   I got like over one like season [TS]

00:54:44   something every guy had sideburns my dad [TS]

00:54:47   went from being like we're from wearing [TS]

00:54:48   a James Bond tuxedo to having sideburns [TS]

00:54:53   long sideburns and wearing a kind of [TS]

00:54:55   leather like a leather trench coat not [TS]

00:54:58   even leather but like suede trench coat [TS]

00:55:00   and I was like what happened to my dad [TS]

00:55:02   is application of Dad's yeah and then [TS]

00:55:05   there and then there like going on ski [TS]

00:55:06   trips and they got big big big wide ties [TS]

00:55:09   and that was that was during that era [TS]

00:55:12   when the when my dad would appear in [TS]

00:55:14   court and the judge would because the [TS]

00:55:16   judges were maybe the last people to [TS]

00:55:18   adopt sideburns the judge a couple of [TS]

00:55:21   times a judge told my dad that that that [TS]

00:55:23   his the Blazer that he was wearing in [TS]

00:55:26   court was not suitable oh right like [TS]

00:55:28   that's your freebie yeah freebie you [TS]

00:55:31   know what Dave cuz they also like they [TS]

00:55:33   all drank together whatever so I was [TS]

00:55:35   like hey Dave [TS]

00:55:36   sidebar mm-hmm don't ever wear that [TS]

00:55:38   jacket in court again and my dad was [TS]

00:55:39   like well you know I was on my way [TS]

00:55:41   somewhere else yeah so that you know I [TS]

00:55:45   also don't want that to happen we're [TS]

00:55:47   we're just like okay well we're we're [TS]

00:55:52   gonna dye our hair too [TS]

00:55:55   we're gonna like Manic Panic my hair [TS]

00:55:57   just just to stay in the game it's like [TS]

00:56:00   no you're not you're not gonna do that [TS]

00:56:02   either yeah how's that helping yeah [TS]

00:56:04   you're not gonna Manic Panic I think [TS]

00:56:06   this is not interesting or funny but I [TS]

00:56:08   think two things you can do are to [TS]

00:56:11   embrace curiosity and kindness Oh [TS]

00:56:13   curiosity and Kanye it's not funny but [TS]

00:56:15   curiosity and kindness and you know [TS]

00:56:17   kindness kindness doesn't hurt anybody [TS]

00:56:21   as long as you're not being a dick about [TS]

00:56:23   it or doing it for your own selfish [TS]

00:56:25   reasons but like you know I go to the [TS]

00:56:28   bodega oh you know couple three times a [TS]

00:56:30   week and I see the lady at the bodega [TS]

00:56:32   who's always lady at the bodega and you [TS]

00:56:34   know she goes she's uh she's a woman in [TS]

00:56:36   flux she's a recent grandmother she's [TS]

00:56:38   she's always trying new things she's got [TS]

00:56:39   different nails [TS]

00:56:40   she's got different eyebrows she's got [TS]

00:56:42   different hair she's trying [TS]

00:56:43   some things out then I will frequent if [TS]

00:56:45   I feel this I will say hey I really like [TS]

00:56:47   your hair and that's it that's it I mean [TS]

00:56:49   cool I broke I hope that's not too gross [TS]

00:56:51   a thing to say to a sixty year old woman [TS]

00:56:53   but like I'll say hey I really like your [TS]

00:56:54   hair and that's have you ever have you [TS]

00:56:56   ever said eyebrows on fleek I should do [TS]

00:56:58   that I should do that I'm personal about [TS]

00:57:01   like a specific part like I don't want [TS]

00:57:03   to be like oh your left arm looks good [TS]

00:57:05   today [TS]

00:57:05   you know you get too specific and it [TS]

00:57:07   gets kind of odd like you have nice [TS]

00:57:09   incisors there was a while there where [TS]

00:57:12   where when I would use on fleek which I [TS]

00:57:17   now spell en fleek only off fleek on [TS]

00:57:22   fleek on the French style I would get a [TS]

00:57:25   lot of like big eye rolls from from my [TS]

00:57:31   millennium followers and I deploy them [TS]

00:57:47   tactically yes someday when the book is [TS]

00:57:55   written about our time the three lols [TS]

00:57:57   are gonna be a whole different laws but [TS]

00:58:01   as time went on and the millenniums [TS]

00:58:02   decided that all fleek was no longer [TS]

00:58:04   their thing they weren't doing it I was [TS]

00:58:07   like no no no on fleek is a thing you [TS]

00:58:10   can't back down you you may not want it [TS]

00:58:13   I went out there you did that you put it [TS]

00:58:16   out there yeah it was on fleek was you [TS]

00:58:18   not me but now I feel like and the thing [TS]

00:58:20   is I originally on fleek was only for [TS]

00:58:22   eyebrows is that right yeah it was just [TS]

00:58:25   for I brony eyebrows could be on fleek [TS]

00:58:27   at first John is that one of those black [TS]

00:58:29   lady reactions you have type things that [TS]

00:58:30   we need to talk about is it is it [TS]

00:58:32   are we being racial when we say on fleek [TS]

00:58:34   or is that just a purely without race [TS]

00:58:37   millennium thing I don't think so I [TS]

00:58:38   think it's pure millennium on fleek I [TS]

00:58:40   don't know where it came from and I [TS]

00:58:41   don't think anybody does mmm-hmm I may [TS]

00:58:44   be one there may be one of those things [TS]

00:58:46   where it was a misspelling like prawn [TS]

00:58:49   like oh that's a really good prawn and [TS]

00:58:51   and what it means was porn but they but [TS]

00:58:53   they were typing to catch fish [TS]

00:58:56   and it also brawl shrimping they call it [TS]

00:58:58   yeah okay all right or whatever all [TS]

00:59:01   those things that come out of 4chan [TS]

00:59:03   where somebody's like typing too fast [TS]

00:59:05   and they don't stick in your computer [TS]

00:59:06   they don't get it right like now on [TS]

00:59:09   4chan [TS]

00:59:09   instead of wall they say kak-kek because [TS]

00:59:15   they're near each other I know they're [TS]

00:59:18   not at all they're not I mean all is [TS]

00:59:20   right next to each other kek is far away [TS]

00:59:22   but it it it stands for something else [TS]

00:59:25   and so on for 10 now everybody goes kack [TS]

00:59:28   kack and it's a it's a forced meme you [TS]

00:59:31   know it's that's there's that's a fun [TS]

00:59:33   thing yeah the forced meme okay forced [TS]

00:59:36   meme people are always trying to force a [TS]

00:59:38   meme I'm hoping I can make a meme out of [TS]

00:59:39   the fact that I'm always typing [TS]

00:59:41   something wrong on my on iOS and I end [TS]

00:59:43   up getting a comma and the letter n in [TS]

00:59:45   the middle of the word did you ever get [TS]

00:59:47   that I and when I'm texting I and 30% of [TS]

00:59:51   my texts with a lowercase B I'm like [TS]

00:59:54   what time we're gonna be there B and I [TS]

00:59:57   don't know why oh it's because the B is [TS]

00:59:59   right [TS]

00:59:59   right [TS]

01:00:00   in the center above the space bar I'll [TS]

01:00:02   see you do a dip dip on the bar and you [TS]

01:00:04   accidentally had to be actually so where [TS]

01:00:06   are we going be and no one ever comments [TS]

01:00:09   on it nobody's ever like why you calling [TS]

01:00:11   me B it's kind of rappy it sounds a [TS]

01:00:12   little bit rappy yeah what's up being [TS]

01:00:14   hit up what up B I have a friend that [TS]

01:00:16   ends every text with BB [TS]

01:00:19   what's up BB and I think what he means [TS]

01:00:22   is baby what's up baby oh I don't like [TS]

01:00:25   that at all [TS]

01:00:26   I hate it and I said to him a couple of [TS]

01:00:28   times like - please don't call me bebe [TS]

01:00:30   and he's like no it means like it means [TS]

01:00:32   like BB and I'm like no no no it does [TS]

01:00:35   not I just like mommy blogger it's like [TS]

01:00:40   a French diminutive that I don't like [TS]

01:00:42   applied to me out like a day they like a [TS]

01:00:44   bit babe a hmm no it's a black lady [TS]

01:00:47   reaction gif thing when you call [TS]

01:00:48   somebody BAE isn't that a black lady [TS]

01:00:50   reaction gif thing we need to talk about [TS]

01:00:51   don't think so I think that's a pure [TS]

01:00:53   millennium thing okay what's a BAE a BAE [TS]

01:00:55   is like a it's like a sweet baby but [TS]

01:00:58   it's like that's my baby but it's BAE [TS]

01:01:01   what about squat goals see I use I [TS]

01:01:05   deploy squad girls all the time I will [TS]

01:01:06   not say BAE and I won't let anybody call [TS]

01:01:08   me Bay okay [TS]

01:01:09   oh you just lay that out there just this [TS]

01:01:11   is not a thing we're gonna do this yeah [TS]

01:01:12   don't don't call me Bay and most people [TS]

01:01:14   most of the millenniums that I associate [TS]

01:01:17   with have the good sense not to use Bay [TS]

01:01:19   even in their own lives I have one that [TS]

01:01:21   I've been sitting on for several weeks [TS]

01:01:23   and I finally had to ask some [TS]

01:01:24   millenniums about it because I keep [TS]

01:01:25   seeing it in like Twitter moments I [TS]

01:01:27   don't know what it means and I think I [TS]

01:01:29   got an answer but people kept talking [TS]

01:01:31   about when they when there were people [TS]

01:01:33   like on a reality show that they wanted [TS]

01:01:35   to hook up they would say that they're [TS]

01:01:37   shipping them they say oh yeah we're [TS]

01:01:40   we're shipping you know Todd and Alice [TS]

01:01:42   from you know rippy bachelors show or [TS]

01:01:44   whatever and I never I didn't understand [TS]

01:01:46   what that means and I thought and I the [TS]

01:01:49   answer that I got is really unsatisfying [TS]

01:01:51   they say a it's been around for a long [TS]

01:01:53   time idiot you with relationship are you [TS]

01:01:59   familiar with shipping as it sorry sorry [TS]

01:02:01   no I never never seen it never heard it [TS]

01:02:04   I just don't know I don't want to be [TS]

01:02:05   culturally appropriate if I don't need [TS]

01:02:08   to be appropriate appropriate [TS]

01:02:10   appropriation I'm um that's what I'm [TS]

01:02:12   shipping [TS]

01:02:13   yeah well I think that there's I think [TS]

01:02:16   that the millenniums have a lot of [TS]

01:02:17   different levels of relationship that we [TS]

01:02:20   didn't have sing it sister right because [TS]

01:02:24   he had like not very they seem totally [TS]

01:02:29   finally there's just every everything's [TS]

01:02:30   all higgledy-piggledy like whatever [TS]

01:02:32   guess you can say someone's your BAE [TS]

01:02:34   yes shipping with them you should be net [TS]

01:02:36   Netflix and leaking John John could it [TS]

01:02:39   be complicated I think it I think that's [TS]

01:02:42   part of how where it got started right [TS]

01:02:44   again with a hook up it might be a [TS]

01:02:49   Netflix on fleek oh it's leaking chill I [TS]

01:02:53   bet we can chill I'm not sure if it's [TS]

01:02:56   true like I one of my first millennium [TS]

01:03:00   friends back when they were still like [TS]

01:03:02   20 yeah I used to say to me all the time [TS]

01:03:06   used to sort of brag in a braggy young [TS]

01:03:08   person way about how fluid their [TS]

01:03:11   relationships works and as that's kind [TS]

01:03:14   of woke right it was well at the time I [TS]

01:03:17   think it was Ben it was it was a [TS]

01:03:18   contrast that that that this friend was [TS]

01:03:21   making between his you're like young [TS]

01:03:25   cool more groovy people and my old stuck [TS]

01:03:28   in the mud people and I never had the [TS]

01:03:30   heart to tell him that you know that I [TS]

01:03:33   whatever man I'd like touch more dicks [TS]

01:03:36   than you've had hot the entire line yeah [TS]

01:03:40   you were your patient zero for fluid [TS]

01:03:43   yeah that's right I was so fluid in the [TS]

01:03:45   early night for notes it's you've had [TS]

01:03:48   you've touched more dicks than you've [TS]

01:03:49   had hot meals is that it hot dinner too [TS]

01:03:56   many dicks that's too many I haven't [TS]

01:03:58   touched that many dicks but but but more [TS]

01:04:01   than hot more than he had had hot [TS]

01:04:02   dinners at the time now he may have had [TS]

01:04:04   more hot dinners in the interim I was so [TS]

01:04:08   fluid viscosity you know what I mean [TS]

01:04:10   like like early times this was like we [TS]

01:04:13   were very very existential viscosity you [TS]

01:04:15   were like eh you were like a human semen [TS]

01:04:17   squid he just fit into any space look [TS]

01:04:19   you know give it to you tell me where it [TS]

01:04:21   is and I will squeeze in there yeah what [TS]

01:04:24   time what do I wear [TS]

01:04:25   but as [TS]

01:04:26   time has gone on and now that he's a [TS]

01:04:28   person that's in his in his 30s like [TS]

01:04:31   that fluidity his fluidity has has [TS]

01:04:34   really coagulated right now he's just [TS]

01:04:37   sort of like he just wants a girlfriend [TS]

01:04:39   now oh yeah habit of thinking that [TS]

01:04:41   you're progressive yeah you think like [TS]

01:04:44   oh man I'm always gonna live like this [TS]

01:04:46   me and my friends are always gonna pig [TS]

01:04:47   pile naked and just like Netflix and and [TS]

01:04:50   and cleco all night and day and it's [TS]

01:04:54   like now well maybe but probably [TS]

01:04:56   everybody wants eventually everybody [TS]

01:04:58   wants a white picket fence except for a [TS]

01:05:00   very few of us just I always think about [TS]

01:05:02   the guys that there were kind of [TS]

01:05:04   ungraciously call townies but but the [TS]

01:05:06   guys in their late 20s 30s 40s 50s who [TS]

01:05:11   kept coming to college parties years [TS]

01:05:13   after they had gone there for one [TS]

01:05:14   semester I mean that's not a good look [TS]

01:05:17   in a pig pile no there was a there was a [TS]

01:05:21   that's not for you right there [TS]

01:05:23   there was a young kid who had a band [TS]

01:05:26   during the shearing peak indie rock [TS]

01:05:28   years here in Seattle and his dad was [TS]

01:05:33   the bass player in the band and his dad [TS]

01:05:37   was probably in his 40s and the kid was [TS]

01:05:42   late teens and his dad wore color in his [TS]

01:05:48   hair [TS]

01:05:48   you know like Manic Panic and it was [TS]

01:05:53   very uncomfortable for all of us because [TS]

01:05:56   you don't want to really be interacting [TS]

01:05:58   with the kid because he's a child [TS]

01:06:01   [Music] [TS]

01:06:03   you don't want to interact with the dad [TS]

01:06:06   because he's a dad that he's not your [TS]

01:06:08   dad but he's a student he's clearly a [TS]

01:06:09   dad's and dad yeah and but they would be [TS]

01:06:13   at parties and events like they would [TS]

01:06:15   the kid could be there because his dad [TS]

01:06:18   was there [TS]

01:06:18   mm-hm and his dad shouldn't have been [TS]

01:06:21   there and that was always very hard and [TS]

01:06:24   now but you know what's fortunate is [TS]

01:06:26   that now I can go to those parties and [TS]

01:06:28   there's usually like a there's usually a [TS]

01:06:30   padded chair that I can sit on and [TS]

01:06:33   in a corner and if people want to come [TS]

01:06:35   pay their respects they can put your [TS]

01:06:39   dogs up and maybe hold court a little [TS]

01:06:41   bit yeah you try and put your dogs up [TS]

01:06:45   and and you know the people that don't [TS]

01:06:48   want to come the people who want to [TS]

01:06:49   stand across the room and go ah that guy [TS]

01:06:51   I've never liked that guy they can do [TS]

01:06:54   that sure you don't have to come over no [TS]

01:06:55   but it's not like I'm circulating you [TS]

01:06:57   know what I mean I'm not out there like [TS]

01:06:58   trying to figure out who the young bands [TS]

01:07:00   are and go hang out with them it's like [TS]

01:07:02   if the young bands want to come say [TS]

01:07:03   hello that's wonderful [TS]

01:07:04   I'm doing a recording right now actually [TS]

01:07:06   and one of the MN and the person playing [TS]

01:07:09   the drums is a member of one of the [TS]

01:07:10   young bands and we have a great time [TS]

01:07:12   together I'll bet you do you know but [TS]

01:07:14   then I then I music a generational John [TS]

01:07:16   there's so much you guys still have in [TS]

01:07:18   common yeah it really is a language [TS]

01:07:19   Berlin mm-hmm but but then I'm like oh [TS]

01:07:22   oh wait I'm 20 years older than this [TS]

01:07:27   person yeah 20 years older which is an [TS]

01:07:32   entire which is the lifetime of an [TS]

01:07:34   entire cool musician yeah they're you [TS]

01:07:40   know these young musicians aren't 20 [TS]

01:07:42   they're in their late 20s they're [TS]

01:07:43   already at that age where a musician has [TS]

01:07:45   to confront the fact that maybe they [TS]

01:07:47   didn't make it and yet there is still a [TS]

01:07:50   plain old man yeah another playing with [TS]

01:07:53   an old guy now they're on some record by [TS]

01:07:55   a guy who's like wow I was sitting in a [TS]

01:07:59   chair with my fly unzips I was like sit [TS]

01:08:10   on a crate [TS]

01:08:23   which which would absolutely be my dream [TS]

01:08:25   right apparently John Lee for a long [TS]

01:08:30   time in the later days of his career and [TS]

01:08:32   I talked to many people that played with [TS]

01:08:34   him he did just keep his fly down oh [TS]

01:08:37   really [TS]

01:08:39   yeah he just I mean and it wasn't really [TS]

01:08:41   like the audience couldn't he was [TS]

01:08:42   sitting on it on a chair the audience [TS]

01:08:43   couldn't really see it but everybody [TS]

01:08:45   else could and I guess it was like for [TS]

01:08:47   he was just venting but that's that's a [TS]

01:08:51   bold place in life you got that is John [TS]

01:08:54   squat goals right now did you just have [TS]

01:08:56   a group group of men that you can really [TS]

01:08:58   relate to and you're all just totally [TS]

01:08:59   comfortable sitting around your fly's [TS]

01:09:00   down if nobody talks about it doesn't [TS]

01:09:02   have to be weird it's not even anything [TS]

01:09:03   you have to coordinate it just happens I [TS]

01:09:05   I for sure feel like at least for me [TS]

01:09:10   squad goals is only an internet joke for [TS]

01:09:14   me like personally I don't really have [TS]

01:09:17   squad goals I do have a goal to have [TS]

01:09:21   five or six people around my property in [TS]

01:09:23   my employ but I wouldn't call that a [TS]

01:09:25   squad well you know if it becomes a [TS]

01:09:29   squad and maybe not everybody who's on [TS]

01:09:31   the property in the compound is [TS]

01:09:33   technically in the squad you might have [TS]

01:09:35   some you know you think about Elvis [TS]

01:09:37   right you think about it so think about [TS]

01:09:39   anybody or you think about Don Corleone [TS]

01:09:41   you get these people that like are kind [TS]

01:09:43   of in this hammer right you get this [TS]

01:09:45   retinue of these kind of characters that [TS]

01:09:48   move in and out right right and Hammer [TS]

01:09:49   was paying all of his friends to be [TS]

01:09:51   there he was a nice man he's still a [TS]

01:09:53   nice man remember that hammers 50th [TS]

01:09:57   birthday party now I'm 15 not happen at [TS]

01:10:02   the Tonga room or whatever now we just [TS]

01:10:04   have a quiet dinner and get to bed early [TS]

01:10:05   I have a couple of squads I'm actually a [TS]

01:10:08   member of you have a couple of squads I [TS]

01:10:09   think I artist member of some squads I [TS]

01:10:12   think I'm an adjunct squaty but there [TS]

01:10:15   are but there are people that are [TS]

01:10:16   full-on like the squad is where they [TS]

01:10:20   live and belong because of FOMO FOMO [TS]

01:10:25   first in last out for me that's called [TS]

01:10:29   the fear of missing out Olympics oh the [TS]

01:10:31   fear of me it's the primary existential [TS]

01:10:34   characteristic of millenniums is [TS]

01:10:36   FOMO oh they have FOMO they're fun they [TS]

01:10:38   have a fear of missing out I feel like [TS]

01:10:41   the squad's that I am that the squad's [TS]

01:10:43   that I attend [TS]

01:10:44   are there not millenniums guan's they're [TS]

01:10:47   like squads of guys that get together [TS]

01:10:49   and watch football games and play poker [TS]

01:10:50   like rock people who do that listen Rock [TS]

01:10:55   poker they used to be ashamed that they [TS]

01:10:57   would watch football a little bit [TS]

01:10:59   because it wasn't very rock but then at [TS]

01:11:02   a certain point they just were like [TS]

01:11:03   that's I just want to watch football [TS]

01:11:05   whether it's rock or not it was [TS]

01:11:07   described it as something people took [TS]

01:11:08   pretty seriously were you weren't [TS]

01:11:10   allowed to shuck and jive and walk [TS]

01:11:11   around and you know play grab-ass that a [TS]

01:11:13   lot of your friends take it fairly [TS]

01:11:14   seriously you know way some people watch [TS]

01:11:17   Game of Thrones like you have to watch [TS]

01:11:18   this with a very prayerful mindset you [TS]

01:11:20   do it's a it's a particularly in Seattle [TS]

01:11:22   the professional sports are understood [TS]

01:11:26   in a kind of George Will context where [TS]

01:11:29   people intellectualize about sports here [TS]

01:11:32   Oh y'all get to be George Plimpton yeah [TS]

01:11:34   there's a there's a like oh no no we're [TS]

01:11:36   talking about the book about sports we [TS]

01:11:39   read the book about sports we didn't [TS]

01:11:41   we're not just here for the movie yep [TS]

01:11:46   and so and particularly when we lost our [TS]

01:11:49   basketball team then they became [TS]

01:11:51   existential you could be like dark about [TS]

01:11:54   sports [TS]

01:11:54   we're still talking about getting a [TS]

01:11:57   basketball team back God's like from the [TS]

01:12:00   outside and all its like the same God [TS]

01:12:02   but like when you're in a squad goal of [TS]

01:12:04   the Gauss you realize there's different [TS]

01:12:05   there's mopey god there's football Goths [TS]

01:12:07   you didn't like McDonald's goth like [TS]

01:12:09   they're all different like variations [TS]

01:12:11   now a lot of people are going to know [TS]

01:12:12   who McDonald's goth is but you'll know [TS]

01:12:14   if you're in the gods to go is that guys [TS]

01:12:16   McDonald's guy man everyone smile you'll [TS]

01:12:18   see somebody that's like I'm skater goth [TS]

01:12:19   and you go no they're skater is outside [TS]

01:12:23   of the realm of goth you know you are [TS]

01:12:25   not skater go that's another CAPTCHA [TS]

01:12:27   that's another one of those tests you [TS]

01:12:28   throw usually throw in a skater goth and [TS]

01:12:30   everybody so you can instantly know who [TS]

01:12:32   the real ballers are and in the [TS]

01:12:33   psychological exactly you're like punk [TS]

01:12:35   goth yes I like football goth sure [TS]

01:12:39   mm-hmm [TS]

01:12:40   but then you're like nature goth no no [TS]

01:12:44   there's no nature that's a black metal [TS]

01:12:48   isn't that a black metal thing like [TS]

01:12:50   those those bands that are like druids [TS]

01:12:52   with a kabuki the samurai make up [TS]

01:12:55   whatever it's called yeah they're out in [TS]

01:12:56   those little Scandinavian checks you [TS]

01:13:00   could be a Czech goth you could hello be [TS]

01:13:02   a check off that's the that's the entire [TS]

01:13:05   goth comes from the Czech Republic I bet [TS]

01:13:08   I bet the Czechs with all due respect to [TS]

01:13:11   the mini the mini black metal and dark [TS]

01:13:14   metals love the Nordic lands [TS]

01:13:17   I bet the Czechs just look in there and [TS]

01:13:18   like give me a fucking break [TS]

01:13:20   I'm standing here in a creek playing [TS]

01:13:21   guitar you you want you walk off like I [TS]

01:13:23   got I got heavy a heavy goth I worship a [TS]

01:13:25   fucking twig I feel like the slow Vox [TS]

01:13:28   are there's a lot of this is a thing [TS]

01:13:32   that you don't always know the Eastern [TS]

01:13:37   Slovakia is a very mountainous region [TS]

01:13:41   you know the Romanians get all the [TS]

01:13:43   Transylvania vibe they get to be like [TS]

01:13:46   whoo haha because they got Transylvania [TS]

01:13:49   there and it's it's mountainous and it's [TS]

01:13:51   like it's like scary but Ukraine [TS]

01:13:56   Slovakia Poland like there's a place in [TS]

01:14:00   there where the Carpathian Mountains are [TS]

01:14:02   very very tall like super tall like I [TS]

01:14:06   see full of bears tall and and they're [TS]

01:14:12   up there doing doing very Goffe things I [TS]

01:14:15   think you gotta get outside the [TS]

01:14:17   mainstream like you I don't doubt that [TS]

01:14:19   there are metal bands in Prague [TS]

01:14:21   certainly just the law of large numbers [TS]

01:14:22   tells us that there will be prog metal [TS]

01:14:24   bands but you got to really go up a [TS]

01:14:26   Carpathian to find some serious Goths [TS]

01:14:28   yeah that's not even the serious go [TS]

01:14:30   through people untethered from the [TS]

01:14:32   expectations of the city I think [TS]

01:14:34   somewhere up in Finland [TS]

01:14:36   you know the Finns hated the Russians so [TS]

01:14:39   much that they sided with the Nazis not [TS]

01:14:41   because they believed in Nazism but [TS]

01:14:43   because they hated the Russians that [TS]

01:14:45   much yeah the enemy my enemy that's [TS]

01:14:48   right the enemy of the enemy is my [TS]

01:14:50   friend and they are very I bet you [TS]

01:14:53   there's some there are some holes up [TS]

01:14:54   there that are full of dark magic [TS]

01:14:59   which is the one is Iceland the one [TS]

01:15:02   where they have gnomes Iceland has [TS]

01:15:05   gnomes this the Finns have gnomes I [TS]

01:15:08   don't think of the fins as nomic okay I [TS]

01:15:11   think that the Swedes have gnomes I [TS]

01:15:14   think that the the nor norsk have gnomes [TS]

01:15:17   the Danish definitely at the dance the [TS]

01:15:20   dance dance people and I think the I [TS]

01:15:23   think the the gnomes of Iceland probably [TS]

01:15:26   came they were like in the hold of the [TS]

01:15:29   ship that came from Denmark and they [TS]

01:15:30   snuck out like like a brown rat like a [TS]

01:15:32   little little bit of a rat they call it [TS]

01:15:34   no is there because it's it for them [TS]

01:15:36   that's like that's like that's like [TS]

01:15:38   pokemons there like that's just part of [TS]

01:15:40   the culture there's nobody's gonna be [TS]

01:15:41   freaked out that you believe in gnomes [TS]

01:15:42   right maybe a Finn you take a Finn a [TS]

01:15:45   true Russian hating Finn and their [TS]

01:15:47   attachment to the no mckernon omec [TS]

01:15:49   culture is something that's more bespoke [TS]

01:15:51   and personal that's their squad goal I [TS]

01:15:53   feel like probably in Finland they have [TS]

01:15:55   raids [TS]

01:15:56   oh right more than gnomes there's not [TS]

01:16:01   like somebody living in a tree stump [TS]

01:16:03   it's like some it's like a ghoul walking [TS]

01:16:05   through a blown-out forest that never [TS]

01:16:08   sees light we had Tom Petty he was our [TS]

01:16:09   race oh right [TS]

01:16:14   fucking-a what I'm gonna ask you about I [TS]

01:16:17   wonder what you got your basement no go [TS]

01:16:18   ahead talk about Tom Petty oh just for a [TS]

01:16:20   second I'll talk all the time petty you [TS]

01:16:22   want I do want to hear about the [TS]

01:16:23   progress of your house if it suits you [TS]

01:16:24   well so progress of the house goes like [TS]

01:16:27   this [TS]

01:16:28   some necessarily follow the Internet as [TS]

01:16:33   regards to this show but I can tell you [TS]

01:16:34   this has this has been brought up on [TS]

01:16:36   other programs that I do from people who [TS]

01:16:37   listen to show people are very [TS]

01:16:39   interested in what's happening with song [TS]

01:16:40   people I'm very interested with who's in [TS]

01:16:42   the basement Peter okay Peter Peter in [TS]

01:16:44   Somme and and retinue at your compound [TS]

01:16:47   people are very curious about what's [TS]

01:16:48   happening with this just as much as [TS]

01:16:49   you're comfortable could you give our [TS]

01:16:51   listeners an update on where you are so [TS]

01:16:53   some really kicked it into high gear at [TS]

01:16:56   a certain point some had everything [TS]

01:16:59   going at once at one point right he had [TS]

01:17:02   a lot of balls in the air he had he was [TS]

01:17:05   power washing the paint off the house he [TS]

01:17:07   was rebuilding the porch that I had torn [TS]

01:17:10   apart he was also doing kind of [TS]

01:17:13   magical thing which you always want but [TS]

01:17:16   can never sort of know how to ask for [TS]

01:17:19   which was he was just walking around the [TS]

01:17:21   house and in the course of doing his [TS]

01:17:23   other things pressure washing and and [TS]

01:17:26   the like he was also noticing broken [TS]

01:17:29   things and fixing them without being [TS]

01:17:31   asked this is the phenomenon that I call [TS]

01:17:33   power puttering is the ability to move [TS]

01:17:34   through a space accomplish things even [TS]

01:17:37   as you're realizing what else needs to [TS]

01:17:38   be accomplished it's a very powerful [TS]

01:17:39   concept it's incredible and he I came [TS]

01:17:42   home one day and walked around the back [TS]

01:17:43   of the house and SAAM had put a bunch of [TS]

01:17:45   he had replaced all the broken shingles [TS]

01:17:47   and I was like we didn't even talk about [TS]

01:17:50   shingles he's just got shingles sitting [TS]

01:17:54   around yeah I was well or he went and [TS]

01:17:56   got something he was legless on his way [TS]

01:17:58   to get some paint and he was like I'll [TS]

01:18:00   get a little bundle of shingles shingles [TS]

01:18:02   to and fix those broken shingles so he [TS]

01:18:05   was doing that kind of thing which was [TS]

01:18:07   pretty astonishing and then his friend [TS]

01:18:11   arrived and his friend was from Mexico [TS]

01:18:15   and some and he did not have a common [TS]

01:18:20   language and I said to some at one point [TS]

01:18:25   how long have you been working with your [TS]

01:18:29   friend and he said oh four years where [TS]

01:18:31   he's like he's like my guy Wow but it [TS]

01:18:35   was beyond language [TS]

01:18:37   yeah listening to them talk Psalms like [TS]

01:18:39   psalm is throwing out some like pidgin [TS]

01:18:44   Spanish and the guy is back at him kind [TS]

01:18:47   of with a little bit of that sort of [TS]

01:18:49   like see no kind of stuff where they [TS]

01:18:54   were just communicating I guess bye-bye [TS]

01:18:56   yep by common understanding of what [TS]

01:18:58   needs done and so he was psalms painter [TS]

01:19:01   and all of a sudden he was on the roof [TS]

01:19:04   he didn't carry a little transistor [TS]

01:19:06   radio with him he just was on the roof [TS]

01:19:10   doing things and within the space of two [TS]

01:19:13   days the entire house was went from a [TS]

01:19:16   stripped like a bomb crater to a [TS]

01:19:21   completely painted house and like pretty [TS]

01:19:24   well done [TS]

01:19:26   unfortunately this was right when the [TS]

01:19:29   people across the street Dan and his [TS]

01:19:32   wife who had finally completed the [TS]

01:19:34   restoration of Jamaica's house right [TS]

01:19:36   they were trying to have open houses so [TS]

01:19:39   all of a sudden all these people that [TS]

01:19:42   I'm hoping will filter down into my new [TS]

01:19:45   neighbors they're all coming by the [TS]

01:19:48   house to see how it's going and I've got [TS]

01:19:50   like a couple of guys on the roof one of [TS]

01:19:54   them of the transistor radio on his belt [TS]

01:19:56   yelling at each other in and in like a [TS]

01:19:59   patois language of their own design yeah [TS]

01:20:01   and one of them's like got a compressor [TS]

01:20:03   and there and so I talked to the real [TS]

01:20:05   estate agent and they were like no no [TS]

01:20:06   it's good it communicates that the [TS]

01:20:08   neighborhood is really coming up and I [TS]

01:20:10   was like okay I guess but but when you [TS]

01:20:13   combine that with the RV that's like the [TS]

01:20:17   third that's a third element you're [TS]

01:20:19   asking other people to accept like two [TS]

01:20:23   guys on the roof this guy and the porch [TS]

01:20:26   is still missing yeah and the owner [TS]

01:20:29   appears to have dug a trench around his [TS]

01:20:30   house and he has a vintage RV it's a lot [TS]

01:20:34   to take in this entire time Peters down [TS]

01:20:40   in the basement also with a compressor [TS]

01:20:42   also like doing also like finishing a [TS]

01:20:47   basement which was never intended to be [TS]

01:20:48   finished and there is some goth graffiti [TS]

01:20:52   down there from a time in the 70s I [TS]

01:20:55   think when one of the kids one of the [TS]

01:20:57   twelve kids that grew up in this house [TS]

01:20:59   had some sort of heavy rock band but pre [TS]

01:21:03   I mean like like like Newcastle Brown [TS]

01:21:08   Ale era heavy rock band okay like this [TS]

01:21:12   is where venom is from that type of [TS]

01:21:14   thing right so there's some little [TS]

01:21:16   there's some quizzical sort of like [TS]

01:21:19   quasi satanic pentagrams they can't see [TS]

01:21:24   that right nobody can see it no but is [TS]

01:21:27   there's a compressor down there you can [TS]

01:21:29   hear a couple of different compressors [TS]

01:21:30   going on okay on the problem but so [TS]

01:21:33   where we are right now what happened was [TS]

01:21:35   saw him and his partner were [TS]

01:21:38   kicking ass and then the one [TS]

01:21:41   disappointment I have is that right at [TS]

01:21:44   the end they they got to the finish line [TS]

01:21:50   they got to within sight of the finish [TS]

01:21:52   line and then they just like sort of [TS]

01:21:57   chucked it all in and we're gone and [TS]

01:21:59   what that meant was they were just like [TS]

01:22:01   and we're done [TS]

01:22:03   bye and I walked around the house that [TS]

01:22:09   day and I realized oh no in the last day [TS]

01:22:14   they painted all the windows shut like [TS]

01:22:16   they just got excited to be done kind of [TS]

01:22:20   yeah and you would think that somebody [TS]

01:22:22   that did this professionally would know [TS]

01:22:25   how to not just get excited to be done [TS]

01:22:28   on the last day because he had done so [TS]

01:22:30   much sort of strangely meticulous work [TS]

01:22:32   around the place he made everything it [TS]

01:22:34   all came together right he picks the [TS]

01:22:37   porch did the shingles he did the roof [TS]

01:22:39   he flashed everything that he didn't [TS]

01:22:41   have to flash he fixed stuff all around [TS]

01:22:43   the house that no one asked him to do [TS]

01:22:45   and then at the eleventh hour his guy [TS]

01:22:49   and he just painted all the windows shut [TS]

01:22:53   and as he was leaving I think I said hey [TS]

01:22:56   hey uh you guys coming back to do the [TS]

01:23:01   like not paint the windows shut thing [TS]

01:23:03   uh-huh and they were like I think they [TS]

01:23:08   both were like oh right and they walked [TS]

01:23:10   around the house once and I was like [TS]

01:23:14   okay they're gonna take care of this and [TS]

01:23:16   then they were gone and so now Here I am [TS]

01:23:21   [Music] [TS]

01:23:22   and I'm going around the house with an [TS]

01:23:26   x-acto knife and and a and a pry bar and [TS]

01:23:32   I'm cutting the paint and I'm pry [TS]

01:23:35   barring the windows open oh no and that [TS]

01:23:39   means that I'm gonna have to fix the [TS]

01:23:42   paint where I [TS]

01:23:45   fuck it up trying to get the windows [TS]

01:23:47   open right cuz you can't you know if [TS]

01:23:49   that if that's painted as the seam and [TS]

01:23:51   you wasn't if it tears off a little [TS]

01:23:52   sheet yeah a little bit gonna tear and [TS]

01:23:55   then you got a paint and then in [TS]

01:23:57   painting the windows shut I did kind of [TS]

01:23:59   a little bit of a radical thing which [TS]

01:24:00   I'd been wanting to do for 10 years [TS]

01:24:02   which was that so when Sam said I'm [TS]

01:24:04   gonna paint the house he was like what [TS]

01:24:06   color do you want to paint it and I said [TS]

01:24:08   Sam it's a white house [TS]

01:24:09   it was born it's a farm house right it [TS]

01:24:12   was born white it's always gonna be [TS]

01:24:14   painted white it it the trim is white [TS]

01:24:18   the house is white the porch is white it [TS]

01:24:21   doesn't if I were to come in here and be [TS]

01:24:23   one of those people that's like I want [TS]

01:24:24   my house to be gunmetal gray with with [TS]

01:24:27   the you know like luminescent green trim [TS]

01:24:30   I would be the asshole [TS]

01:24:31   I would be that's wrong that's not what [TS]

01:24:34   it's a gear house wants to be white it [TS]

01:24:36   is and it doesn't I mean it's like it [TS]

01:24:38   couldn't be other mm-hmm that's a white [TS]

01:24:41   barn it's a white house and it's not one [TS]

01:24:43   of those neighborhoods where there are a [TS]

01:24:44   lot of white houses this is the only one [TS]

01:24:46   it's got a white picket fence that [TS]

01:24:47   matches the house that's how it's made [TS]

01:24:49   and so some was a little disappointed [TS]

01:24:52   that he didn't get to make it fancier [TS]

01:24:55   but I did say what I've always wanted [TS]

01:24:58   is black lacquer window sashes so just [TS]

01:25:05   the interest part of the window the part [TS]

01:25:08   that actually moves black is in like [TS]

01:25:10   black like lacquer black like it looks [TS]

01:25:13   like a like it looks like a Japanese box [TS]

01:25:15   hmm so black black none blacker mm-hmm [TS]

01:25:18   none more that must must be very [TS]

01:25:21   dramatic look it's very good and it's [TS]

01:25:23   the thing is it's very subtle you don't [TS]

01:25:25   you know you don't notice it so much as [TS]

01:25:27   you feel it you feel that sort of [TS]

01:25:31   Slovakian carpathian yes you may not [TS]

01:25:34   know what it is you know is there's [TS]

01:25:35   something about this though this is [TS]

01:25:36   special yep like Japanese box but Psalm [TS]

01:25:39   and his and his best friend did not [TS]

01:25:44   properly tape and so there's a little [TS]

01:25:49   bit of bleed so I have to go back not [TS]

01:25:54   just and paint the windows where I've [TS]

01:25:55   cut them but also paint over the little [TS]

01:25:58   dabs of [TS]

01:25:58   black that are on the other side you [TS]

01:26:02   hate that feeling where you've had work [TS]

01:26:04   performed and now it just makes work for [TS]

01:26:05   you yeah and and yet I mean this is [TS]

01:26:08   certainly work I'm capable of doing [TS]

01:26:10   without too much complaint but it isn't [TS]

01:26:12   done and it didn't get done 100% right [TS]

01:26:15   and everything else he did was great and [TS]

01:26:17   it just felt like I was very sympathetic [TS]

01:26:19   to it where he was like I'm gonna be [TS]

01:26:21   done by Thursday and then Thursday came [TS]

01:26:23   and there was another day of work to do [TS]

01:26:25   and maybe he had budgeted maybe he had [TS]

01:26:29   scheduled something that started on [TS]

01:26:30   Thursday yeah and he just had to leave [TS]

01:26:34   and the thing was I I gave him a nice [TS]

01:26:37   tip because I eventually get to where [TS]

01:26:41   you talked about money [TS]

01:26:42   I did I was like I was like he he made [TS]

01:26:46   me an offer on the whole job he was like [TS]

01:26:50   what about this amount and I felt very [TS]

01:26:54   strongly that some was somebody that I [TS]

01:26:57   hadn't absolutely no interest in trying [TS]

01:27:00   to negotiate him down I was like Tom [TS]

01:27:02   that is a fine amount and let us have it [TS]

01:27:05   be so the project management triangle [TS]

01:27:07   becomes like we're locking in this [TS]

01:27:08   amount and then our scope and quality [TS]

01:27:11   will kind of is encompassed by this [TS]

01:27:14   amount hard edges d is the amount yeah [TS]

01:27:18   and I feel like you can definitely paint [TS]

01:27:20   your house for fifteen thousand dollars [TS]

01:27:21   and I didn't want to paint it from [TS]

01:27:23   fifteen thousand dollars but if you [TS]

01:27:25   paint your house for $7,500 you do not [TS]

01:27:29   get a fifteen thousand dollar job and [TS]

01:27:32   and I felt like the quality of the job [TS]

01:27:35   overall that Saum did on the entire [TS]

01:27:37   property was well in excess of what he [TS]

01:27:41   was asking and so I tipped him also but [TS]

01:27:45   there is this additional problem of like [TS]

01:27:49   oh now I have this thing to do Elizabet [TS]

01:27:52   taste in your mouth because everything [TS]

01:27:53   else went so well he didn't yell the [TS]

01:27:54   landing yeah only slightly because I [TS]

01:27:56   still feel like he did he did a bang-up [TS]

01:27:59   job for me mm-hmm [TS]

01:28:00   but there is that little bit of like hmm [TS]

01:28:03   psalms psalms guy as he described him [TS]

01:28:07   this is his mejor amigo yeah [TS]

01:28:09   did not [TS]

01:28:11   maybe take up the pride in the last bad [TS]

01:28:16   influence [TS]

01:28:16   I who knows what's going on between [TS]

01:28:19   those two [TS]

01:28:20   I cannot imagine them going and getting [TS]

01:28:22   a drink after work because I do not know [TS]

01:28:23   what they would talk about because they [TS]

01:28:26   didn't have even a lot to they it was [TS]

01:28:29   not I think some often instructed him on [TS]

01:28:32   what to do next by pointing with the [TS]

01:28:34   backside of a paintbrush fine I think if [TS]

01:28:38   you're clearing brush they understand [TS]

01:28:40   that there's an area where there's brush [TS]

01:28:41   we weren't there to not be brush and [TS]

01:28:43   brush has to go to somewhere else via a [TS]

01:28:45   given means pointing with the paintbrush [TS]

01:28:47   is more than enough yeah but there was [TS]

01:28:49   an understanding between them because [TS]

01:28:50   psalms guy was not a young person right [TS]

01:28:53   he was a man my own age so there was an [TS]

01:28:56   assumption between them I think that he [TS]

01:28:58   was talented at his work and did not [TS]

01:29:00   need to be supervised and my feeling [TS]

01:29:03   about the painting of the window shut is [TS]

01:29:04   not that psalms guy did it and didn't [TS]

01:29:08   then some wasn't hip to it I think it [TS]

01:29:10   was more that they both like there was a [TS]

01:29:13   little bit of a nod that went on between [TS]

01:29:14   them like are we good here I feel like [TS]

01:29:16   we're pretty I'd say I feel like we were [TS]

01:29:18   pretty good and it might be that some [TS]

01:29:20   underbid the job and felt like by the [TS]

01:29:23   end I had gotten good value because [TS]

01:29:25   that's how I feel but some definitely [TS]

01:29:29   left in that in a way that did not I [TS]

01:29:32   what I wanted to say was some you're [TS]

01:29:35   welcome here anytime [TS]

01:29:36   so great to land on that this whole [TS]

01:29:38   story has been leading up to Psalm [TS]

01:29:40   you're welcome back anytime you know [TS]

01:29:41   yeah and I could see this getting to a [TS]

01:29:43   point where he's on something like a [TS]

01:29:44   retainer where some just went when it [TS]

01:29:46   suits him you know every six to fourteen [TS]

01:29:49   weeks he just drives by and notices [TS]

01:29:50   something that needs fixing yeah and [TS]

01:29:52   here's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna fix [TS]

01:29:54   this for you and I'd be like absolutely [TS]

01:29:56   something you know what like I want you [TS]

01:29:59   know what I want now I want a weather [TS]

01:30:00   vane on top of the barn [TS]

01:30:01   I want a weather vane in the style of [TS]

01:30:04   not of a chicken I don't want a chicken [TS]

01:30:06   on top of the barn what I want is a [TS]

01:30:08   sailing ship a sailing ship that points [TS]

01:30:11   in the direction of the wind and creates [TS]

01:30:14   you just say I want a cool mailbox [TS]

01:30:16   that's hard to knock down boom mailbox I [TS]

01:30:18   do need that look at my current mailbox [TS]

01:30:20   is actually like screwed to the phone [TS]

01:30:23   Pole [TS]

01:30:26   that up to code I don't think so I don't [TS]

01:30:29   think anybody likes it but when I got [TS]

01:30:32   here it was screwed to the phone pole [TS]

01:30:33   and then when it started to fall down [TS]

01:30:35   Linkous phone poles you need a pretty [TS]

01:30:38   good screw to get into an old and might [TS]

01:30:40   have I have old phone poles they're very [TS]

01:30:41   porous they're poorest they are they're [TS]

01:30:44   there this one's rotted to the core and [TS]

01:30:46   so I had to find so the phone the [TS]

01:30:48   mailbox started to fall off the pump ol [TS]

01:30:50   Chanda and so I had to find I had to [TS]

01:30:54   find a some hell of screws but I found [TS]

01:30:56   them in the barn [TS]

01:30:57   and and so I zipped that thing back into [TS]

01:31:00   the phone pole and even now when the [TS]

01:31:03   when the garbage truck goes by too fast [TS]

01:31:05   the mailbox sort of rattles its prime to [TS]

01:31:09   get mailbox baseball but I don't think [TS]

01:31:11   kids today know what that is these kids [TS]

01:31:16   today have never hit a mailbox with a [TS]

01:31:18   baseball bat they don't even know they [TS]

01:31:19   don't even know how with the fancy [TS]

01:31:21   glasses yeah so anyway but Peter still [TS]

01:31:25   here and now Peter has done a pretty [TS]

01:31:27   great job of doing the basement so much [TS]

01:31:32   so that the basement now is a is a [TS]

01:31:34   constant temperature of 65 degrees [TS]

01:31:36   whereas the temperature yeah the [TS]

01:31:38   basement used to go from 90 degrees to 9 [TS]

01:31:41   degrees depending on what was going on [TS]

01:31:43   outside and you don't really have fancy [TS]

01:31:45   equipment down there in a situation like [TS]

01:31:46   that nope that's not a place that you [TS]

01:31:48   want to store your your precious old [TS]

01:31:52   like like western state hurricanes [TS]

01:31:55   posters cuz they're gonna get little [TS]

01:31:57   mold spots on him but I think today even [TS]

01:32:01   Peter is down in the basement even maybe [TS]

01:32:03   while we speak so while we were doing [TS]

01:32:04   the show my mom came into the room and [TS]

01:32:06   she handed me on a piece of yellow legal [TS]

01:32:10   paper a note that said hand me a note [TS]

01:32:15   that said I'm sorry , I'm getting sick [TS]

01:32:18   and I'm going home to bed [TS]

01:32:20   oh no I've given Peter the codes to the [TS]

01:32:25   storage unit so now Peter has the codes [TS]

01:32:27   okay now I don't know what she and Peter [TS]

01:32:31   have discussed sounds like quite an [TS]

01:32:33   escalation [TS]

01:32:34   that is that in Peters purview no no I [TS]

01:32:36   trust Peter with the codes okay Justin [TS]

01:32:38   with the cuts [TS]

01:32:38   I feel like Peter could have the launch [TS]

01:32:40   codes even Peter so I was I went to a [TS]

01:32:44   party the other day and another friend [TS]

01:32:46   of mine said that he and Peter were were [TS]

01:32:49   thinking about getting into the apple [TS]

01:32:51   cider business I said tell me more [TS]

01:33:03   and he walked me into his garage which [TS]

01:33:06   was full of bins of little crab apples [TS]

01:33:11   and he said he said these are these crab [TS]

01:33:17   apples are from the Loire region of [TS]

01:33:21   France and these crab apples are from [TS]

01:33:24   the Piedmont area of Italy and these [TS]

01:33:26   grants and I was and I was like where do [TS]

01:33:28   you get all these and he said well up [TS]

01:33:30   north of Seattle there is there's a [TS]

01:33:34   agricultural a large agricultural area [TS]

01:33:36   around the town of Arlington and there's [TS]

01:33:40   a man who has a large property that has [TS]

01:33:43   all of these magical vintage cider [TS]

01:33:47   apples growing with names like the names [TS]

01:33:52   of heritage rabbits [TS]

01:33:54   oh okay so they originated from these [TS]

01:33:56   European climes but these are locally [TS]

01:33:59   sourced technically speaking yeah Apple [TS]

01:34:03   from Italy and still have it'd be nice [TS]

01:34:04   for cider well that's right you wouldn't [TS]

01:34:06   have that shipped but the apples are a [TS]

01:34:10   lot of them are like apples that are [TS]

01:34:13   lost time no they don't exist in France [TS]

01:34:16   anymore because they've all been like [TS]

01:34:20   mega cultured mega a Gris out because [TS]

01:34:26   they because apparently all the cider [TS]

01:34:27   apples they have there now are by [TS]

01:34:29   Monsanto yeah so these are these are [TS]

01:34:33   like these incredible cider apples and [TS]

01:34:36   my friend Michael has decided that cider [TS]

01:34:39   making might be his new jam but he was [TS]

01:34:42   but he and Peter are going to partner up [TS]

01:34:44   on this [TS]

01:34:46   and I hear sounds good go get her [TS]

01:34:48   Oh Peters got a locker you know Peter [TS]

01:34:50   lives on a houseboat did I tell you yeah [TS]

01:34:51   yeah yeah yeah uh-huh [TS]

01:34:53   so Peters always have a certain state of [TS]

01:34:56   mind and beyond uh both it's a house [TS]

01:34:58   well you'll have a real different state [TS]

01:35:00   of mind and when I talked to him about [TS]

01:35:02   it I've never actually been on it but he [TS]

01:35:04   says it's more of a house shit or it's [TS]

01:35:05   more of a shed boat rather than a [TS]

01:35:07   houseboat and I'm like I've been down [TS]

01:35:10   around Lake Union a lot and I have seen [TS]

01:35:12   a lot of these shed boats which are old [TS]

01:35:16   you know they're properly like these [TS]

01:35:18   were places that fishermen lived in the [TS]

01:35:22   1910s that are still there and they're [TS]

01:35:24   usually like what you would call like a [TS]

01:35:27   shingle bedroom on a floating power it's [TS]

01:35:31   the way somebody would do ice fishing in [TS]

01:35:32   a cartoon kind of yeah there's like a [TS]

01:35:35   portal it that happens to be floating [TS]

01:35:37   yeah enough to put up enough to put a [TS]

01:35:39   like a double bed a lamp [TS]

01:35:41   chanmi a potty and maybe a maybe a [TS]

01:35:45   little kitchen but like not a ton of I [TS]

01:35:47   don't think it's a ton I don't think you [TS]

01:35:48   could play frisbee in it but you also [TS]

01:35:50   isn't it true a lot of the times with [TS]

01:35:51   these things it's not the kind of thing [TS]

01:35:53   where you would unmoor it and like go [TS]

01:35:54   out for the day [TS]

01:35:55   no it's mainly it is a floating Shack [TS]

01:35:58   yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a floating [TS]

01:35:59   Shack and I think what happens is you're [TS]

01:36:01   renting the right to to tie it up to [TS]

01:36:04   some place but if that if that person [TS]

01:36:06   says like you're out mm-hmm you know we [TS]

01:36:09   don't like your kind here you can hook a [TS]

01:36:12   15 horsepower Evinrude to it and on a [TS]

01:36:16   calm day like man your way across the [TS]

01:36:20   lake to a place where somebody else is [TS]

01:36:23   like yeah you can tie your house you got [TS]

01:36:25   find you slip entire house up here but [TS]

01:36:28   the but the end of the dock position on [TS]

01:36:30   all of the houseboat lure ages around [TS]

01:36:32   like Union is really pride of place you [TS]

01:36:37   do not come privacy well and expansive [TS]

01:36:41   view I mean you're the end of the dock [TS]

01:36:42   right it's like you're at the top of the [TS]

01:36:44   mountain and you don't just come along [TS]

01:36:46   and like more your little your little [TS]

01:36:48   outhouse on the front of somebody's dock [TS]

01:36:50   I mean there's like little slots I think [TS]

01:36:53   that they will find for you right [TS]

01:36:55   but typically so Peter was actually [TS]

01:36:57   talking about the people that Oh [TS]

01:36:59   the birth they own the mortgage where [TS]

01:37:03   there's at this houseboat community and [TS]

01:37:05   it's one of the older style ones where [TS]

01:37:07   everybody there's still a hippie most of [TS]

01:37:10   the houseboats in our Marin [TS]

01:37:12   yeah right they're still hippies tons of [TS]

01:37:14   because I mean especially living on [TS]

01:37:16   bojack's living on boat shacks I think [TS]

01:37:19   Ellen what did that I think I want lived [TS]

01:37:21   on a boat Chuck I feel like up until [TS]

01:37:23   about 1995 you could be just somebody [TS]

01:37:28   that lived on a houseboat it wasn't a [TS]

01:37:31   thing that wasn't considered magic it [TS]

01:37:34   was not a cute nor weird it was just [TS]

01:37:36   like oh yeah I live down on a houseboat [TS]

01:37:37   oh sure sure like you like living in a [TS]

01:37:40   small place than that that Bob's around [TS]

01:37:43   when somebody goes by in a boat huh [TS]

01:37:45   but then I think I think Sleepless in [TS]

01:37:49   Seattle changed it but also like lawyers [TS]

01:37:51   are always looking to take something [TS]

01:37:52   nice and make it bad but Peter still [TS]

01:37:56   lives in one of these communities where [TS]

01:37:58   everybody's like an old grouchy hippie [TS]

01:38:00   and the people that own the the marina [TS]

01:38:05   just rented a new end space so which did [TS]

01:38:11   not what there were people already there [TS]

01:38:13   that we're on the end seems like you [TS]

01:38:15   want to promote from within it does but [TS]

01:38:18   in this case they said as a pause yeah [TS]

01:38:20   it's Paul island they said somebody came [TS]

01:38:22   along and they want to pay a lot of [TS]

01:38:24   money to be on the end the only true [TS]

01:38:27   wealth is property and that's right like [TS]

01:38:30   it's a view space and they built a three [TS]

01:38:33   like some enormous because there are [TS]

01:38:36   limits on how big your houseboat can be [TS]

01:38:38   yeah that's your house yeah the Coast [TS]

01:38:41   Guard says no no no you can't do that [TS]

01:38:43   but they they went right up to the [TS]

01:38:45   property line if you know what I'm [TS]

01:38:46   saying on how big their houseboat could [TS]

01:38:48   be and they plopped it down on the end [TS]

01:38:51   that's all shame shame I know and the [TS]

01:38:54   entire neighborhood is up in arms about [TS]

01:38:55   it and by neighborhood I mean people in [TS]

01:38:58   shacks but like yeah you could go have [TS]

01:39:00   two Kajaki on that guy [TS]

01:39:01   you know yeah oh you got are you you [TS]

01:39:02   want to get along with your neighbors in [TS]

01:39:04   an environment like that because a lot [TS]

01:39:05   of things can go wrong if you know what [TS]

01:39:06   I mean yeah but this guy doesn't care [TS]

01:39:08   because he look he looks at all those [TS]

01:39:10   people behind him and he just says you [TS]

01:39:12   guys are us [TS]

01:39:13   our gas OC of shingles laughing a [TS]

01:39:15   floating loading and laughing and he's [TS]

01:39:17   out there with the big view of the city [TS]

01:39:19   and the people are mad but you know what [TS]

01:39:21   capitalist shit dog [TS]

01:39:23   so Pete and Peter's in there and he's [TS]

01:39:26   just like look I'm living in an outhouse [TS]

01:39:27   you got you know the my name is Paul on [TS]

01:39:29   this between [TS]

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