Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► hello hi John [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► hi Marilyn how's it going oh it's going [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► okay [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► you sound extra good today is that right [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► what did you do some different uh you [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► know I'm just working out all kinds of [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► differences are you in the basement no [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► you think you're gonna get past that [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► groan buddy follow-up for you i I have I [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► have now achieved a state where the [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► basement is a constant sixty-five [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► degrees which is very appealing on [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► purpose yes well I it will never get it [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► will never get nicer than that I'll take [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► a 65 any day right oh god yes it's you [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► know it used to be a root cellar and [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► like a coal a coal hole toe hole and now [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► it's you know now it's a constant [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► temptation this for a long time I think [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► I know what a root cellar is that's [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► where you put like tubers you put up [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► some tubers for winter is that what that [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► means mm-hmm any other kind of things go [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► you get a rutabaga I think that's that [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► tuber I don't know it's it's one of [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► those land vegetables yeah I mean I [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► think you that's where you put your [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► canning yeah put it up peaches yeah you [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► put your peaches up it down in there I [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► think well but maybe a root cellar is [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► even even dark e'er and musty er than [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► that all right I mean you throw your [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► roots down in a in a in a bin right the [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► roots always got a root bin I think it [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► should have a bin in the cellar uh-huh [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► and you don't in the ironical part is [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► you don't really put them up put them [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► down right but round you do a dog right [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► but you put your peaches up pictures up [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► roots down you put your pieces up on [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► this on the shelf down in the cellar [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► okay it's like the theme - it's like the [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► the theme song to the yeah that was a [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► Bo's a little wonderful reference I was [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► about to [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► potatoes turnips and carrots enough food [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► supplies placed in the root cellar over [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► the winter months include beets onions [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► charters and jams salt meat salt turbo [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► turbot turbo salt herring salt peanuts [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► peanut winter squash and cabbage Oh [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► single mention of a rutabaga No I see it [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► has a root right in the name I think a [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► rutabaga might be a vegetable capture [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► I've never seen a rutabaga in use I [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► think it might be a canary trap or a [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► false flag when I see a rutabaga at the [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► store no disrespect to it because I'm [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► sure somebody is I'm sure that [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► somebody's well one imagines that's [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► somebody's favorite vegetable I don't [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► know I wouldn't even know what part of [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► it to eat it looks impregnable uh let's [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► see rutabagas I feel like I went through [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► a stew making phase mm-hmm and I feel [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► like someone got me on a rutabaga tip [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► and I think I put it in some stew I well [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► it says here it's a cross between a [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► cabbage and a turnip cabbage in a turn I [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► don't know how you would even cross [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► those things the roots yeah you just put [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► a boy turnip and a girl cabbage in a [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► room and get them vegetable husbandry [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► you know you got to get them in the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► right state of mind I don't know much [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► about husbandry it's never really [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► appealed to me but you know you know [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► we're too big you know meets a turnip [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► come on I do I don't know it's one of [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► those things we've talked about or is it [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► 4-h is that the one it's kind of early [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► and you know and what brings people to [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► want to do that especially in areas with [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► that are not strictly farm areas it's [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► kind of like farm cosplay but with a [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► cool jacket do you go to the State Fair [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► No [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► let's State Fair I mean what what I can [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► tell you is that we went to many many [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► fairs when I lived in Florida we would [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► go to regional fairs I feel like I've [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► been to the State Fair [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► I was I was almost killed on two [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► occasions by Bob Hope at the Ohio State [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► Fair when I was a child [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► really yeah I was almost hit by his [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► limousine a new scene Bob Hope yeah yes [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► his limousine I was running where I [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► shouldn't be running bad on me I almost [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► got hit by a limousine limousine goes by [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► and I look in the back seat and I I [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► exclaimed mr. hope young people I can [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► appreciate how cool arguably this [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► country's best-known most popular [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► comedian in his day uh yeah I mean he's [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► the he's the comedian he's the earth [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► he's American the original Tom Hanks you [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► know what I mean oh boy he's yeah golly [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► Bob Hope [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► you know I saw Count Basie at Disneyland [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► and I thought that I had some real [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► connection to her to to the real America [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► well you almost got killed by Bob Hope [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► hmm two times you say yeah I'm trying to [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► remember I wrote it down I haven't [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► thought about in a really long time but [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► yeah yeah I was at the Ohio State Fair [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► now I like us I like affair my ongoing [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► favorite fair in Florida which is a lot [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► of F's was the Strawberry Festival in [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► Plant City where they celebrated the [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► harvesting of strawberries and there [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► were mini strawberry related first of [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► all it was a generic you know a fair you [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► could see like Night Ranger or a country [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► band but you also like go make your own [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► strawberry shortcake and I like anything [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► with strawberries that's all hmm the [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► doll which one guitar bishop you could [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► make your own Strawberry Shortcake doll [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► like a build-a-bear type situation yeah [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► yeah no I don't think it was if they did [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► you know they did not have the rights [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► for it it was not a building or [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► situation I see I think I've just I've [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► been spending a lot of time on the [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► internet lately and I'm coming back in [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► this whole mode of like oh yeah people [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► are just making making sex dolls for [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► themselves based on just whatever [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► whatever they want [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► now oh because I would love to hear more [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► about that is this like the anime guys [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► with the pillows similar kind of thing I [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► think so I think the technology you know [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► now that China's gotten into the Game [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► Boy it's just the whole the whole [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► industry is exploded is it disrupting [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► I imagine if you wanted a Strawberry [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► Shortcake doll in that style you could [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► get one pretty cheaply you could you [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► could probably Amazon Prime a pretty [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► generic strawberry shortcake fuck-buddy [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► but if you wanted a bespoke model with [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► an articulating cake or one yeah one [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► that looked like one that looked like a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► me or look like like like the lady from [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► lost or something like that like if you [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► had a real specific idea in mind which [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► how you wanted your cake to be shorted [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► you could probably you know what 3d 3d [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► printing faces you could put on it [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► people keep telling me people in the 3d [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► printing world keep telling me that 3d [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► printing is not not as greatest as we [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► all want it to be yet well everybody [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► sure talked about it for a while well [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► they sure did but I was like hey I've [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► got a thing that I want 3d printed and [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► the answer was no no you can't that's [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that's not you can't do that yet and I [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► was like well what about this simpler [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► version of that no you can't really do [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► that yet either oh I see so this is one [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► of those this is like there's a little [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► bit of a it's a teaser 3d printing you [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► know you can sit around and think it's [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► kind of like we first heard about the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► Internet you say VR or yeah every every [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► three to eight years we hear how VR is [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► really there yeah have you done a recent [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► VR tour [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► John I've never done a VR hi I there I [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► have a couple of people here in Seattle [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► is a big VR community and I went to one [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► of the VR startups actually I shop here [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► physically went there went there okay [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► sat down in the chair a lot of people [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► there a lot of lot of lot of people with [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► mustaches a lot of people with topknots [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► mm-hmm looking at their computers [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► beavering away and they're like sitting [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► the chair are you ready for this they [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► put the whole apparatus on and and then [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► I went through I went through a thing [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► and it felt like I was I felt like I was [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► at the IMAX at the Air and Space Museum [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► in 1979 it was like and now we're flying [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► and now we're going over a cliff [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► I bet it I bet it can be really cool I [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► mean I'm excited when any kind of [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► technology is moving forward even if the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► tip of the iceberg that we see is kind [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► of silly because the truth is that VR is [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► gonna do lots of have lots of nice [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► knock-on effects like you know it will [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► get more powerful you know the things [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► that as a result I have no desire to do [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► that with that said if I go to a Disney [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► property and I go in one of those or you [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► know or Universal go I'll go on a Harry [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► Potter ride and I don't think like it's [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► amazing how you can trick my mind into [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► thinking that I'm falling and I'm a [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► little bit impressed by that yeah that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► is impressive I think that the I think [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► AR is where I'm I'm excited hmm but [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► anything that happens in VR I just feel [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► like the that the if your body isn't [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► engaged in it it's always just gonna be [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► a show mm-hmm [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► you're just gonna put it on the show [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► damn it's a demo right if you're if [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► you're not if you can't touch with your [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► fingers and if you're not actually [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► walking in the environment then it's [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► yeah you're just sitting in a chair [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► watching a thing and and no matter how [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► realistic it is no matter how much [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► you're like I'm going through the room [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► it's like no matter how much you're [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► playing mist you're never gonna be it [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► you're never gonna get across that [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► uncanny valley it's going to be more [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► virtual than reality [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► yeah whereas whereas a are really [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► thrills me airs you know John I got to [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► tell you there's all kinds of [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► applications for AR and it is existing [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► on your device like theirs is pretty [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► weird and pretty cool I remember the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► very first time I used something like [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that that I can remember might have been [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► at max fun con where I didn't want to be [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► around people for a while and I went and [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► I wandered around outside the property [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► and I used the various sky apps which is [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► really fun when it's in your somewhere [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► dark with lots of stars like it really [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► really works yeah that was the first [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► time another time I had this really cool [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► app that pulled information from [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► Wikipedia and maybe Yelp but wherever [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► you were you could hold up your phone [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► and it would like show you the actual [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► stuff I thought that was pretty clever I [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► think there's an app and as of today or [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► actually as of yesterday I got this app [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► called tap measure which is [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► a are measuring app for your phone we [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► can look point it at the four corners of [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► a device of an area and scans you could [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► like cool the model of your whole room [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► please I hope you see where I'm going [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► with this I do I don't know if VR has a [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► role in John's life right now [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► I think AR I could think of several ways [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► AR could have a huge role in your life [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► right now somebody was just telling me [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► about the about the about like some kind [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► of little scanner in your phone a that [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► would be based around maybe like a like [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► a connects style I forget what those [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► were called but like three-dimensional [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► yeah special camera things that you [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► would be able to stand in a room and the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► thing would just do measurements of your [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► body and and then just throw that to [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► custom clothing makers or it's like oh [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► you want to order this shirt just put [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► your camera in the corner and it'll scan [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► your size [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► yeah like Siri will this make me look [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► dumpy yeah that would be so fresh I'm [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► imagining your ongoing project - Museum [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► of Phi your collections mmm I could see [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► you doing an inventory of your current [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► extant collection and being able to [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► model that in various ways and I can [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► certainly see how your podcast studio of [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► the future in your root cellar like [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► putting that together could be really [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► useful you could you could like scan the [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► room and decide where you want your [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► captain's console to be in everything [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► mmm just saying I now that I'm no longer [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► now that I no longer have a [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► non-disclosure agreement with snapchat [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► mm-hmm [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► ty can speak I never actually had one [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► will you be harassed harassed born [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► snapchat yeah well I don't know what you [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► can say no no you know my millennial [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► girl millennium girlfriend was a [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► snapchat we were NDA of admitting that [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► your millennium girlfriend worked a [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► snapchat right right you're out of that [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► officially you can say yeah I'm you know [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► like time passages whoo-hoo buy me a [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► ticket on the last plane home tonight [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► that's right [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► and so so now when I reflect [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► back on my snapchat years on my home and [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► my time in the trenches there was nap [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► death I you know I was in a very [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► privileged position prior to the release [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► of the snapchat glasses you may remember [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► this was a big event mm-hmm in remember [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► rare as hen's teeth very hard behind [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► that's right [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► that's right yeah Matt how we even sent [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► me an email during the during the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► excitement is he gonna use it to open [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► his garage door he said what do I have [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► to do to get a pair of those glasses you [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► know within that that first week of just [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► like they were they were $1,500 a pair [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► you know they were just going crazy you [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► did you find my like a vending machine [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► yeah you couldn't get him anywhere [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► except these vending machines and [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► snapchat would put of any machine [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► somewhere and not tell anybody and then [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► it was just like oh there's a vending [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► machine over there and you know they had [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► this whole this is guy but most [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► millennium thing ever real $1500 camera [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► glasses stands yeah and you could only [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► buy I think you could buy two that was [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► you were you could go to the machine you [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► could buy two and then it was done and [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► so during the run-up to the glasses [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► right I mean my lady was the lawyer [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► there and she she was the lawyer of the [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► labs that were developing the [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► technologies of the glasses and stuff [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► not not app side but like real world [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► side so these glasses we're all talking [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► about these glasses it's all Jewish [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► nobody can talk about it and little by [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► little like the glasses start to what [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► they are and what they're intended to do [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► start to trickle to me I can sight I see [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► a prototype of them I'm you know that [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► like millennium girlfriend has a pair [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► all of a sudden and we're playing with [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► them and this is you know a long time [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► before it's it can be talked about and I [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► got really excited about it at the [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► beginning at the with the teaser because [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► I thought of course this is this is the [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► beginning of real useful AR it's gonna [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► be glasses where you put them on and it [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► puts snapchat filters on people in real [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► it was just like this is gonna be so [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► killer I be thinking about stuff like [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► can I like my money ever since I was a [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► kid I've always thought no I think it's [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► a terrible idea [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► but when I was a kid I thought it'd be [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► cool if we were always recording [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► everything that we see and you'd go like [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► oh what's that really Craig T Nelson I [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► saw at the airport let me roll that back [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► you know that outrunning is that way [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► it's not what that person said three and [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► you could go back to Google but I'm [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► still like just the ability to have [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► these little round glasses with a camera [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► in I mean you could just you be snapping [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► and shining like all the time well when [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► when google glass came out my friend [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► dave miner who owns that bar i've taken [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► you there the five point here in seattle [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► they put up a very conspicuous sign that [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► said no Google glass allowed in the bar [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► it was part of their overall policy to [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► be like as punk as punk as possible at [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► all times but that got into the funk [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► rockin prohibiting things with signs and [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► so but then as it got closer and closer [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► rights now these these specs it was [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► clear it was clear as they got closer to [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► being released that they didn't do [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► anything they were just they were very [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► cool looking glasses I have to say [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► nothing all they did was just take like [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► 30-second snaps and you couldn't even [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► see it didn't there was no playback [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► mechanism it was just a little tiny [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► camera in the corner of some sunglasses [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► oh it's a thin client eyeglass yeah to [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► your device you got the earth it there [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► that's right and then it then it's on [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► your phone and then you can post it or [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► whatever but it wasn't it didn't have [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► any the glasses themselves did did zilch [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► basically it was just like holding a [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► phone up to here to the side of your [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► head and and I guess it was cool if you [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► wanted if you were somebody that wanted [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► to snapchat yourself like skiing off a [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► buffle mobile or something but otherwise [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► most people just hold up their phone and [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► you couldn't selfie which was the number [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► one thing that made snapchat interesting [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► to people so that would do some [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► acrobatic glassware couldn't do it right [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► you have to have your friend selfie to [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► snap you and you press snap your friend [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► and that's not [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► how snapchat even worked it wasn't meant [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► to be like that kind of thing so anyway [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► there was this huge roll out and and [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► millennium girlfriend and I actually [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► went to New York City for the big [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► rollout and there was a pop-up store [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► that they built right next to Apple the [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► Apple store across the street from [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► Central Park and it was like all secret [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► and covered in scaffolding and we went [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► there the night before and it was a big [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► big empty cold empty room and at the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► very end of this cold empty room was [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► this little vending machine that looked [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► like a Pokemon and it was a cutest [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► little vending machine in the world and [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► you kind of walk up to it and there's a [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► computer screen on it it sees you and [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► it's like hi and you're like hi and it [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► says do you want these things and you're [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► like I really do and then it like you [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► have a little fun that fun moment with [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► it and it gives you the little things [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► which are beautiful and they're in a [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► little case that's beautiful everything [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► about it was beautiful they just didn't [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► do anything and so then it was release [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► day and there's this line down the block [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► and like Kanye's managers there and and [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► and it's just this whole big scene and [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► everybody's trying to everybody's [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► clapping for these things and they're on [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► the internet I swear to you they were [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► like $1,500 a pair and I'm getting [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► emails from that how you right and left [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► and I I went with my lady to the event [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► and she's there kind of lawyering around [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► and then someone says - oh oh oh and [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► they're like tons and tons of him [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► snapchat employees there and they're all [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► they're all super casual but when you [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► when you really know the deal like their [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► t-shirt and jeans like cost $1500 each [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► or whatever I mean it's like very very [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► tech [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► check up cool up down cool huh [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► everybody's got a headset on they all [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► have little hear pieces and microphones [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► and the word gets to us like do you guys [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► want to go in the line up to the machine [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► do you guys want to get some specs [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► yourself and we looked at each other and [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► we were like sure you know like yeah of [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► course we get it we get to go up there [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► too because they were it was a embargo [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► right you couldn't employees the [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► snapchat did not get these things for [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► free this was like sometimes he would [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► drop and when I say he I mean whoever [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► the kid is that runs snapchat who's like [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► 28 years old todd todd snap todd snap [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► right the todd snap of the of the east [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► coast naps he would put these little [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► snapchat machines like in the Mojave [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► Desert or he'd drop one into the Amazon [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► it was like what are you gonna do now [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► there's there these are available but [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► only at this thing that's like up the [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► Amazon River Todd understands scarcity [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► and welcome to the machine and like all [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► eyes are on us right people have been [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► waiting all day to get in this and we're [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► like we've cut ahead in the line and [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► it's cold warehouse and people are [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► standing on looking at us and we walked [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► up to the machine and big big [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► peanutbutter jars full of quarters [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► but we walk up when we're looking at it [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► we're talking to the machine machines [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► like hey you know what's up and we're [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► like oh man you know we can pick a [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► couple of different colors and we have [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► some decisions to make like which colors [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► do we want or and she and I are looking [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► at each other and we're like ah well we [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► should get some for this person and that [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► person and and we both kind of just [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► arrived at this moment like I don't I [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► don't really want one of these to you [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► know not interrupt but this is after [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► having played with the prototypes and [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► the emerging you know already had [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► experience with these things as it was [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► getting prototyped and in the like three [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► days leading up to the release of the [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► thing we had been walking around [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► Manhattan wearing them okay almost like [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► you got like a demo from Apple like you [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► got this unit to try out but it wasn't [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► gonna be yours to keep [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► yeah and it was it was like you know [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► we'd walk a we'd walk around with these [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► things on until we saw somebody looking [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► at us like some young person who was [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► like oh my god are those and then we [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► would quickly take them off and like run [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► away like run down the steps of the [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► subway to like because we were the [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► Beatles in 64 mm-hmm [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► you'd be set upon by top nuts that's [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► right and we ended up not we ended up [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► like standing there and basically the [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► only thing we could think of is well we [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► could really we could if we if we bought [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► a bunch of these we could go turn them [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► on the internet real fast and it was [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► like well yeah that's not really who we [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► are either so so that was an example of [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► a tech moment in recent days where I [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► felt like super excited about what a [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► thing could be and then as the thing got [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► closer and closer to real it was it was [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► clearer and clearer this is not gonna be [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► this isn't gonna be cool at all this is [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► just gonna be a this is like us this is [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► a thing that is going to lay the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► groundwork for someone else to come [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► along yeah and do the thing which we all [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► know is coming which is to make a Google [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► glass that looks cool [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► like from what Google glass is that it [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► was a good idea that wasn't very [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► functional yet Turkey and a little bit [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► of its time right [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the thing about snap glass was they [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► looked SuperDuper cool and did zilch now [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► we're still waiting for someone to come [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► out with a with a glasses that looks [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► cool that can also do things and and the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► day it happens man [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► somebody's gonna somebody's gonna get to [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► be a rich person they're gonna get to [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► put their vending machine in the Amazon [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► mm-hm [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► I got a lot of thoughts on that are you [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► ready I mean are you ready not that [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► interesting are you ready there's a [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► couple things with that I mean you know [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► any time some new thing comes along and [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► I haven't prepared anything for this but [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► I'm thinking about like how like for [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► example for a long time a lot of people [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► have said I really hope Apple makes a [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► real like not just Apple TV the set-top [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► device but I really hope Apple makes a [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► TV and like I don't I'm on the infinite [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► timescale as John siracusa says yeah [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► sure that could happen but like really [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► do you really want that like I want [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► fewer things that have to be this one [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► way I mean think about the way that your [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► phone went from being something that was [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► a flip phone that had phone numbers and [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► the game snake on it to being something [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► where you could put your own put apps on [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► there that did lots of stuff and now it [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► became not a dumb device that's a very [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► smart device but the smartness of the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► device came out of what you were able to [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► put on this really top-notch thing that [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► you were was a pleasure to use even [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► without apps the problem is that would [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► you ever just buy those round glasses [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► with a little camera on it no I mean [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► like which what you want is you want [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► something bigger out of that so I mean [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► the the real real technology it seems [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► like it's gonna be more like a sci-fi [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► contact lens type situation where you [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► take whatever glasses you already have a [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► fix this almost impossibly tiny dingus [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► to it and get all of the functionality [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► out of that without needing to have [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► dorky glasses that have a camera built [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► into them I know that's very you know [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► future stuff but that's that's when [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► you'll know it's arrived I mean you have [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► to go through these stages of [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► awkwardness you have to learn what [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► doesn't work you have to learn you know [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► just [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► just the component parts get cheaper or [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► more powerful all that changes I don't [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► know I'm just I'm always skeptical with [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► the first version of anything not [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► because I think it's a bad idea but [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► because like just what you described [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► which is there's so much stuff out there [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► I'm excited about it arrives and it's [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► fun for 90 minutes and you know this is [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► this is a gizmo this is a gadget it's a [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► fun thing but like this is not gonna be [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► part of my life yet you were an early [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► adopter of the Apple watch Amira correct [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► early ish [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► I'm trying to think of what I was a [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► really early adopter of podcasts [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► probably but yeah as far as technology [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► you were early on Twitter ly on Twitter [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► but as far as like the hardware stuff [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► okay look at it this way talk about [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► watches I've had like I don't wear [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► watches alright but I got like a sleep [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► watch where of course I'm obsessed with [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► my sleep and have another friend of mine [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► who was also obsessed with this sleep [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► talked about this watch he can get and [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► it was so dorky I mean it look it looked [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► like now I got not even as cool as a [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► dive watch but it was like having like [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► at the box from an engagement ring on [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► your wrist all the time was just this [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► huge ungainly thing and then when you [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► were when you woke up in the morning he [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► said I've got sleeping then you would go [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► and attach it via USB to your computer [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► and it would suck down that information [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► into a terrible app and like okay that's [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► it you know it was like a Palm Pilot for [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► sleep in some ways whereas now today I [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► have a Fitbit that automatically detects [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► when I go to sleep it automatically yeah [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► yeah and no one's talking about my sleep [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► at some point but ya know it does all [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► that automatically now and it's it's [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► it's it's fine [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► early adaptors of stuff I've bought a [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► lot of digital cameras over time yeah [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► yeah I love you know I remember yeah [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► when I first met you it was kind of like [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► when I was really getting into this [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► whole the whole stack of like digital [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► camera plus flicker as a thing and I [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► really that was in Flickr was a really [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► fun community and a great app a great [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► site and so that was a nice thing you [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► were an early adopter of LiveJournal I [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► was I loved LiveJournal yeah but I'd [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► look at it's funny now I look at photos [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► even of like around the time most [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► certainly stuff I took on my first [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► digital camera in 1999 is Halle Larry [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► yes like pictures of my now wife and me [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► around the time I first got a digital [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► camera [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► and if they're just they're just like a [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► colorful smudge it's it's so weird I [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► mean and you know this there's a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► services that'll like seho you know [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► here's photos you took this many years [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► ago and even photos taken during my [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► daughter's lifetime I can't believe the [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► difference in quality I'm not sure where [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► I'm going with this I haven't been an [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► early adopter of that that many things [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► you did so many great Charles Peterson [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► style camera effects with your digital [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► Rockefeller filters long before filters [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► existed I know I have some great photos [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► there's a picture of me with some [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► chopsticks in San Francisco holding up [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► some kind of beam and you have digitally [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► smeared it with light and it's like so [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► cool or there's a picture of Madeline [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► and me talking at pictures of your mom [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► that way it was when you guys were doing [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► your little inside Seattle mini tour for [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► probably putting the days to bed and we [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► all in Josh and Emily know some of your [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► dad high-quality hang time with your dad [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► at I think a Death Cab show you guys [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► don't realize that that the first [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► contact I had with you was contacted I [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► don't think you were I I'm not a hundred [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► percent sure that you even were aware of [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it was I mean I know you were aware of [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► it but I don't think when we actually [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► met in person that we made the [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► connection right away which was that a [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► kid came up to me in Boston stocking no [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► he said hold this bag of booty Dan that [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► would be my friend Dan he put some booty [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► in your hand and we took a photo yeah [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► little Dan in Boston who was a sweet guy [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► and he would come in at the time and now [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► he's a big boy yeah he was he was little [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► then and he was one of the he was one of [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► the mafia of indie rockers that would [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► come to to all indie rock shows yes but [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► he was like put this hold this [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► Pirate's Booty I want to take a picture [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► for you for a friend of mine in San [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► Francisco has a blog of rock musicians [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► holding piracy serves you had short hair [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and no beard at the time look I looked [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► like I was 17 yeah and I'm like scallop [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► I look like a scallop and I'm holding [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► this pirates booty with this big dumb [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► smile of like okay because that was what [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► the internet was to me at the time it [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► was just like idea what the yeah I was [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► like okay so a guy in San Francisco [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► Boston our friends first of all and you [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► send him these pictures and he puts them [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► on the Internet okay and so I see that [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► picture pop up for once one I'm like oh [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► yeah that was really like I honestly did [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► think that the internet was a was just [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► some kind of like a message board for [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► nerds sharing this type of thing and [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► then when I met you which wasn't that [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► much longer some I remember having a [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► conversation where you were like oh yeah [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► you're in the Pirate's Booty this and I [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► was like that's you here we got David [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► Cross we got Mac from Superchunk we got [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► my dog let's see I think Matthew cause [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► is in here somewhere [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► sure I'm sure all of the extant long [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► winters at the time are in here my [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► friend Matt the surfer oh yeah these are [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► good these are good good photos our is [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► Flickr still available to people can [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► people stay dude yeah I mean what [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► happened why didn't they [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► why didn't they become the future it's a [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► long story I mean I think the the [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► shortage all there's so many cute [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► pictures with dogs - these are so cute [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► I'll see if I can find yours in here [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► well you know they got bought up by the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► Yahoo oh look [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► oh it's Jay from Sloan and there's Matt [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► from orange er there's Chris from Sloan [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► this is good these are good photos [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► property look I should close this Oh [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► somebody put it in Mayor Fiorello statue [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► hands look at that you know I think I [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► bought by Yahoo and everything was fine [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► for a while and then they got kind of [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► under indie resourced and [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► when actually visited with did a little [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► mini talk with the Flickr group after [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► the acquisition and they were still like [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► so game and they were trying so hard but [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► there's no wood behind the arrow you [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► know what's your part of the the big [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► company it's it's hard and it's it sucks [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► cuz it was such a great app it was so [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► fun to use and it really was like a [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► little community like it was one of [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► those rare things where like at the [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► beginning this is so fucking boring at [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► the beginning of that kind of exciting [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► web 2.0 era there was like all these [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► great little things that people would [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► get on and it was actually useful and [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► actually fun and he actually would meet [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► people through it you know like Mike [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► livejournal which is a very web 1.0 but [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► I'll find that photo for you it's cut [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► beer I got to close that tab though cuz [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► I'm looking all these old pictures and [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► boy the photos are terrible cameras used [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► to be bad yeah yeah yeah they were [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► terrible they were terrible terrible [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► terrible yeah the first digital camera I [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► ever saw was at a restaurant in Seattle [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► where I used to go to get late-night [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► stroganoff and this was during that [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► phase where you know when I was a little [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► kid when I was a kid I loved stroganoff [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► because stroganoff was made with [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► hamburger and cream of mushroom soup [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► that was back when America understood [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► how to make garbage food for kids [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► Campbell Soup Company they really got [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► behind that they said look there's stuff [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► you could do with our soup that you have [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► not even thought about yet yeah throw [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► some hamburger in it and then put it [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► over noodles now where are we [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► yes we're somewhere we're somewhere [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► further down the road better well so I [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► started going to restaurants at that at [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► that a magical age when I could suddenly [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► afford to buy not just tacos grant [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► because I had a job and I could go to [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► places in the 11 o'clock at night that [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► were open and I could order things that [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► I wanted and I saw stroganoff on the [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► menu and I was like ambrosia stroganoff [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► and it showed up and it was flank steak [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► and onions cooked and put over noodles [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► huh and here's the thing that you don't [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► want which is a long cooked onion over a [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► plate of noodles because a onion a [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► cooked onion looks like a noodle I don't [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► think that's anybody's favorite food no [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► no and it was there it was an early [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► experience of the over fanciful of [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► things and I realized that Oh strong [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► enough I guess this is how well [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► originally and maybe the hamburger [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► version was an abomination but this is [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► way worse and but I loved stroganoff I [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► thought and so I spent years eating [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► flank steak stroganoff but dreaming of [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► hamburger stroganoff and now I'm finally [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► at the age where I can just go back and [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► eat bean casserole and hamburger [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► stroganoff and nobody can tell me [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► different uh-huh [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► it's like I can I can have cafeteria [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► food for the rest of my life and people [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► are people yell at me they yell at me [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► with their eyes I was at a party the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► other day and I was like so I get up in [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► the morning oh they were like tell me [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► about how do you do a podcast and I said [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► well what I do is I get up in the [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► morning i microwave a cup of coffee and [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► I go talk to my friends and they were [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► like it was a it was a husband and wife [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► and they both like took a small step [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► back and we're like microwave your [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► coffee I was like oh don't get me [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► started there we go i microwave my [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► coffee I have a little I've been I [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► microwave some hamburger stroganoff [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► mm-hmm I sit and sit on the front seat [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► of my dad's car which is like a couch [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► sigh mm-hmm go to the State Fair [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► you know borders I blame the internet oh [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► as with so many things I blame the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► internet I was thinking about this today [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and it lots of people lots of old men [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► have talked about this you kind of [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► there's a part of you that pines for a [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► time when you could be at a party or a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► dinner or waiting for a bus and have an [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► argument not an argument but a you know [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► an argument with somebody about what the [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► same thing existed no no yeah yeah and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► and there was not really a way to [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► resolve it it's like well you're not [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► gonna get on a bus and go to the library [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and go to famous firsts look you're not [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► gonna go like looking at encyclopedia [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► you can't cuz you got to go on your [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► goddamn bus and like this is why this is [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► I'm sorry to interrupt this is why the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► Guinness Book of World Records existence [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► no I know Robert Doyle Hughes but go on [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► and now today you can like before [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► somebody's done having their out of [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► nowhere reckon about something somebody [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► else has already looked it up and you [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► can say no no no no no you know but like [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► the other side of that is back in the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► day you could also get a bike a party [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► from a bunch of people who thought that [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► no you're doing stroganoff wrong so I [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► guess now you you know as the aggrieved [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► party you could [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► pull up your phone and say no no there [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► are many kinds of strokes and struggles [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► off like I can do this anyway this is [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► this is my house it's a land of [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► contrasts but I do kind of Miss the the [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► unknowability of things yeah yeah well I [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► do too but I had a I had a interesting [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► insight not very long ago which was that [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► my dad being the greatest generation [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► sons ever ever of all time born in 1921 [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► he and his cohort which includes Sammy [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► Davis jr. well let's can enjoy that and [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► John F Kennedy what about Johnny Carson [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► we be part of that cohort Johnny Carson [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► absolutely part of that cohort they [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► continued to be the prime movers of the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► culture I would say all the way through [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► the Beatles all the way until about well [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► until about 1968 and we like to look [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► back and think oh you know from the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► Beatles on it was the youth or even from [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► Elvis on it was the youth of America and [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► rock-and-roll but those people were just [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► children in terms of the culture who was [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► really driving the cultural the culture [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► and it was only in about the late 60s [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► where the were kids in college and their [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► protests and the [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► you know and the fact that that the the [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► liberal dream of my dad's generation [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► which was Kennedy Martin Luther King LBJ [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► all of that stuff all everybody was [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► killed basically and then it right about [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the late 60s right about 1970 the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► Greatest Generation just lost the just [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► steering wheel got taken from them and [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► my dad was you know an absolute like as [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► far left as you could be but it took him [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► several years to get to an understanding [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► that you could protest against the the [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► army being in Vietnam he was just he it [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► had never occurred to anybody of his [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► generation to be against the way we see [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► played out in episode 9 I believe it is [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► of the the Vietnam War series that I've [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► now watched twice where like it was it [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► was pretty awkward and pretty weird [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► especially after the Veterans Against [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► the War March when things got further [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► radicalized and they found themselves [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that they were that even though the tide [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► of opinion across the nation was turning [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► against the war now they were like [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► radicalizing everybody by saying oh no [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► but you're doing this protest wrong like [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► it was it must have been hard to know [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► like what kind of footing to find at [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► that time well my mom was against the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► war from the very beginning and it was a [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► contention between it was a contention [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► within their marriage but you know they [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► were like that was the way liberals [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► words the way liberals still are right [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► she was like against the war and dad was [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► like he can't be against the war it's [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► the United States of America mm-hmm [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► but you know my dad's first wife this is [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► a little-known story in my family my [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► dad's first wife who is the mother of my [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► older brothers and sister at one point [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► my dad was running for like a major [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► position in the Washington State [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► Democratic Party and his wife Jean [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► decided to run against him forgotten [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► this is good if you can imagine what it [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► was like around the dinner table between [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► those was he already declared and [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► running and then he was running and then [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► she was like I don't think so and threw [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► her hat in the ring and this was like [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► what this was this was how well their [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► marriage didn't work out it happens but [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► they were married for eight years or [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► something eight nine years that's that's [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► not nothing [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► not nothing considering that she's [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► running against you in you know Chia and [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► she ran it she ran at him from the left [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► to I mean he was the he thought he was a [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► wall he didn't see that coming oh no you [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► never see it you never see it coming [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► when they run at you from the left not [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► when you think you're a good liberal but [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► one of the things that that one of the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► insights that I had was in 1968 my dad [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► was 47 right so 1970 he was my age 49 [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► oh my god and that was the moment that [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► he and his friends finally just the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► culture just went past them and from [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► that point on the be the the baby [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► boomers were determining what the what [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► the dialectic was and the the greatest [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► generation just gradually had to cede [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► that they were no longer I mean they [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► could you could get hip but you no [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► longer were really laying it out there [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► and it seems like like I guess this [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► happens a lot but it was so so clear in [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► such stark relief then like you like any [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► American you still get a vote on what [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► this stuff is but you don't have this [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► veto power or like utter primacy of [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► opinion anymore that like there's a lot [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► of people that don't aren't going to [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► automatically agree with you because [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► you're from the greatest generation [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► right are you because you're the dads or [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► the moms right and Carson retained his [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► cultural presence but but you see him [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► even turn throughout the 70s into [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► somebody that when Dean Martin was on [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the show Carson was real comfortable and [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► then he would have young people on and [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► just sort of be like so what are you [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► folks all you know what are you kids [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► doing today it wasn't so far off Tiny [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► Tim I mean he's a little bit like you're [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► having these people on as a curiosity [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► yeah right and and Dick Cavett was more [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► you know was more on the street [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► although whatever but but but that's the [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► age that we are now you and I mm-hmm and [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► unfortunately because Generation X was [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► so small we never had we never had the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► feeling that like we were making the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► culture really the same no one has [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► really cared what we think never never [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► cared the the baby boomers alone the [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► thing that's wrong per se but like [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► there's not that many generations that [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► should have the right to be a listen [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► really nobody cared nobody cared no we [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► were just too small and we were just we [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► were too even from an early age we were [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► too resigned [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► just like her losers but but this this [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► feeling now of being 49 and looking and [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► saying like oh it doesn't matter it [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► doesn't matter whether I'm for or [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► against the war it's just and it's not [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► like you go out to pasture but you [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► definitely feel like you I mean it's not [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► even that I hand over the reins I never [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► had the reins you never had the reins [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► it's just like you watch the reins get [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► handed over in front of you and you're [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► like I didn't even get to touch the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► reins I'm we're like the Prince Charles [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► of cultures it's just like I've been [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► sitting here in my double-breasted [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► jacket until the sleeves are all frayed [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► waiting to be king even for a minute [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► you know my daughter has actually asked [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► about that she's because it's really [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► interesting to think about this man's in [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► his 70s at this point right [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► hmm it's like and she's what 90 [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► yeah always the always a prince bride [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► never never another Queen Queen Queen [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► Mother right to being queen mother no [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► who is it who's the lead son right Bob [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► Bob brick King Bob he the the son the [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► number one son top son is very handsome [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► mm-hmm and then he's surprisingly I [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► think lost his hair and everybody was he [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► looks a lot like his beautiful mother [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► but with a receding hairline yeah it's a [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► shame it has receded all the way pretty [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► much but it did it at a young age when [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► he still was you know when he still was [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► so beautiful that sucks and he didn't do [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► it Donald Trump where he was just like [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► you know what I'm gonna be standing out [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► in front of an airplane a lot for the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► next several years where my hair is [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► gonna be blown all around so I'm gonna [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► just I'm gonna be President baseball I'm [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► gonna make oh yeah or you're gonna [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► become president pastry hair well he was [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► always pastry hair guy right but he [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► became president and eight ball hat [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► pretty early on that's smart you think [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► that was a logistical decision based on [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► planes planes and helicopters sure [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► because you're standing around you can't [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► I mean in the past he was photographed [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► always under his own conditions and he [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► could have three people like [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► the closet spring lacquer on him mm-hmm [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► but I think I think early on he was [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► standing out on a tarmac somewhere while [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► the plane was winding up and his hair [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► was standing straight up like this like [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► a sailfish you may not be aware that I [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► collect and curate photographs [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► unflattering photographs of the [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► president no it was in the early days of [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► the whatever this is we're going through [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► it became I have several small forms of [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► therapy that are mostly just for me and [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► one of them was every time I find a [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► really good unflattering photo and a lot [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► of them are him and his his his giant [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► ass playing golf but I do have a few of [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► his hair giving up the ghost a little [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► bit and not like a lot of guys with that [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► kind of pastry hair he has some bits [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► that are very very long and once they [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► come away from the primary case they're [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► way up there you can see him get caught [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► a little bit in like in like minor [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► tornadoes where the hair is like not [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► only up but it's also sort of twisting [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► to see how I mean there's some things we [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► know and some things we can guess about [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► the man we can we it is believed that he [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► has some kind of apparent anxiety about [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► stairs hmm this is fairly widely [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► documented has not been proven but he [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► has for years he's been tweeting about [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► how President Obama should use the [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► handrail when he gets off Air Force One [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► that it's very unsafe he's got some [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► hangups and I think one of them is [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► stairs so we know he doesn't like stairs [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► we know it doesn't like wind he's got a [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► low center of gravity he should be [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► pretty good on stairs yeah I think he [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► doesn't trust his tiny feet I think he's [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► afraid he's gonna go ass over teakettle [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► but like shit think about getting on and [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► off of planes it must be such a [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► stressful thing and yet lately he's been [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► doing more and more of those screaming [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► over the helicopter blades sound a [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► little mini press conferences so he must [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► have found something that is working for [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► him I feel like the who I mean just the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► like small power of the presidency which [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► is no small power right but the small [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► power to just be ferried everywhere by [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► helicopter and like Air Force One even [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► even though Air Force one is probably [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► decorated atrociously and he's not [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► helping [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► I can imagine that they have they have [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► probably screwed some chandeliers into [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the ceiling of Air Force One we're just [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► not seeing it yet imagine it being like [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► the Duke in a number one king of New [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► York oh yeah let's go he's got like a [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► chandelier on his limo but I was just in [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► DC the other day and some minor minor [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► minor dignitary drove by in with a [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► police escort and I think it was a [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► caravan of like two SUVs and I [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► speculated too there was somebody [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► standing on the street corner and as you [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► know on the East Coast nobody likes [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► being addressed more than just an East [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► Coaster standing waiting for a light by [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► a by a stranger like hey who do you [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► think is in that Caravan that's anything [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► and the local guy was like I don't know [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► man and then the light changed and I was [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► like well that hey great talk mm-hmm but [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► I was trying to think like who gets a [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► minor league police escort like that [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► like you know it wasn't super minor [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► league it was four cops - at each corner [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► and they were getting to run lights [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► maybe somebody from Congress uh well [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► somebody else I think overheard me talk [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► to mr. guy who then split and I think [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► over my shoulder they said might be Paul [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► Ryan and I was like huh Paul Ryan you [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► think it's that yeah I suppose that's [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► about Ryan you know it's like because [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► like the king of Mombasa is gonna get a [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► big entourage they're gonna throw [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► they're gonna be throwing flower petals [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► out in front of them that's that's in [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► his Ryder [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► that's in his Ryder right so but that [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► type of thing where everywhere you go [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► that's the thing money can't buy like us [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► like Zuckerberg doesn't get 50 cops [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► follow him following him and like [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► running red lights and when the [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► president comes here they close down the [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► freeway I am it's so disruptive and that [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► is a big I think a thing that that that [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► president baseball hat [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► probably like after he realized oh you [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► don't get chandeliers in your limo but [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you do get to close down the freeway [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► that's got to be really enticing that's [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► got to really make a person not want to [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► retire not want to resign mm-hmm you [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► know even even if you do want to resign [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that's gonna make you think twice about [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► resigning because once that goes away [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► you never get it back I mean something [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► that many of us can appreciate or [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► understand is first-class on a plane [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► so I i'd had a okay number of plane [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► flights throughout my life and then at [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► one point during the.com days my boss it [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► was a really great guy [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► upgraded me and I flew in 1999-2000 I [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► flew in first class for the first time [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► and you know it's such a it's such a [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► lame joke to make but it is kind of hard [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► to go back like once you've been in [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► first class and you especially today I [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► mean our first class today is like a put [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► it this way coach today not a fun [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► experience we've talked about this know [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► what it is what you have experienced [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► that and you go like this does not have [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► to be stressful and awful and I get to [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► feel a little bit fancy like especially [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► if you're a poor kid like me you go oh [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► this is this is kind of nice I would [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► love to do this again [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► and I bet it's like that to the tenth [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► power aspect especially if you're say a [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► Steve minuchin and or your price we're [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► talking about politics we promised we [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► wouldn't do that did we didn't talk [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► about politics well you know you talk [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► about optics optics you always had an [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► unofficial policy of let's not talk [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► about politics cuz I want to be able to [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► release them this is you don't talk [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► about religion in the ones that make it [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► on the air no no I'm not believe you me [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► my friend I know where the line is you [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► get quiet you get quiet for a little [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► while no no I know I know there was a [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► there was a while there right we're [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► right about an hour and 10 minutes in [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► where you were like this is a releasable [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► podcast you would view it would be so [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► good would be so close to being done and [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► be so close and then you would find a [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► message that you wanted to get out yeah [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► but you know [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► you know I don't disagree with your [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► message I just want to you know help the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► nice people I know so no I believe I [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► believe the children are our future yeah [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► yeah but I do care to let them lead the [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► way are you really prepared that's the [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► thing about being 49 mm-hmm I feel like [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► one of the challenges that I've been [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► facing is how do I continue to be useful [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► to people which I've always desired to [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► be and tried to be how do I continue to [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► be useful while also acknowledging that [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► whether or not I think a thing matters [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► or is good or sensible no longer really [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► matters mm-hmm and so I want to continue [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► to be useful wanting to realize that [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► intellectually and then it's one thing [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► to see it play it out in every single [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► exchange of your life yeah since dad [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► where you're yelling at clouds yeah yeah [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► but you do want to be useful and there [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► was a time I think a long time before my [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► dad's generation where the understanding [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► continued to be that as people get older [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► they accrue wisdom and so are more [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► useful even if they aren't down in the [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► trenches doing things you go consult [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► them or whatever and then but you know [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► things changed that's nice that's not [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► fair to say the 20th century a lot of [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► stuff happened really fast but for many [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► mmm decades maybe even centuries the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► pace of change would not exceed what [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► happened over two generations you can [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► say you know dad mom and dad have seen [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► some shit like we should listen to them [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► yeah right I mean daddy they know how to [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► root cellar we need the root cellar they [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► know from root cellar we should be [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► listening to them yeah right the wagon [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► is broken and only dad knows how to fix [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► it or how do you how do you water an [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► older horse hmm and you know Gramps has [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► got that kind of but but Gramps now is [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► like here's how you water an older horse [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► and like the kids are like son Jetson [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► scooters and they're like we don't use [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► horses great that's a good example yeah [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► well you know I like to help you've [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► given it some thought but like how can [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► we be useful without seeming grouchy [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► this has been something that we've been [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► all this time and realizing that my [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► looking at those photos of my dad right [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► around the time that I was that I was a [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► young young guy and my dad was like that [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► they all grew their sideburns long yeah [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► I got like over one like season [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► something every guy had sideburns my dad [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► went from being like we're from wearing [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► a James Bond tuxedo to having sideburns [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► long sideburns and wearing a kind of [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► leather like a leather trench coat not [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► even leather but like suede trench coat [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► and I was like what happened to my dad [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► is application of Dad's yeah and then [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► there and then there like going on ski [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► trips and they got big big big wide ties [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► and that was that was during that era [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► when the when my dad would appear in [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► court and the judge would because the [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► judges were maybe the last people to [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► adopt sideburns the judge a couple of [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► times a judge told my dad that that that [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► his the Blazer that he was wearing in [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► court was not suitable oh right like [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► that's your freebie yeah freebie you [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► know what Dave cuz they also like they [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► all drank together whatever so I was [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► like hey Dave [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► sidebar mm-hmm don't ever wear that [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► jacket in court again and my dad was [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► like well you know I was on my way [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► somewhere else yeah so that you know I [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► also don't want that to happen we're [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► we're just like okay well we're we're [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► gonna dye our hair too [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► we're gonna like Manic Panic my hair [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► just just to stay in the game it's like [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► no you're not you're not gonna do that [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► either yeah how's that helping yeah [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► you're not gonna Manic Panic I think [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► this is not interesting or funny but I [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► think two things you can do are to [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► embrace curiosity and kindness Oh [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► curiosity and Kanye it's not funny but [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► curiosity and kindness and you know [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► kindness kindness doesn't hurt anybody [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► as long as you're not being a dick about [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► it or doing it for your own selfish [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► reasons but like you know I go to the [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► bodega oh you know couple three times a [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► week and I see the lady at the bodega [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► who's always lady at the bodega and you [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► know she goes she's uh she's a woman in [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► flux she's a recent grandmother she's [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► she's always trying new things she's got [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► different nails [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► she's got different eyebrows she's got [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► different hair she's trying [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► some things out then I will frequent if [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► I feel this I will say hey I really like [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► your hair and that's it that's it I mean [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► cool I broke I hope that's not too gross [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► a thing to say to a sixty year old woman [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► but like I'll say hey I really like your [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► hair and that's have you ever have you [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► ever said eyebrows on fleek I should do [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► that I should do that I'm personal about [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► like a specific part like I don't want [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► to be like oh your left arm looks good [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► you know you get too specific and it [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► gets kind of odd like you have nice [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► incisors there was a while there where [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► where when I would use on fleek which I [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► now spell en fleek only off fleek on [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► fleek on the French style I would get a [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► lot of like big eye rolls from from my [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► millennium followers and I deploy them [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► tactically yes someday when the book is [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► written about our time the three lols [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► are gonna be a whole different laws but [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► as time went on and the millenniums [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► decided that all fleek was no longer [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► their thing they weren't doing it I was [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► like no no no on fleek is a thing you [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► can't back down you you may not want it [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► I went out there you did that you put it [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► out there yeah it was on fleek was you [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► not me but now I feel like and the thing [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► is I originally on fleek was only for [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► eyebrows is that right yeah it was just [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► for I brony eyebrows could be on fleek [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► at first John is that one of those black [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► lady reactions you have type things that [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► we need to talk about is it is it [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► are we being racial when we say on fleek [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► or is that just a purely without race [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► millennium thing I don't think so I [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► think it's pure millennium on fleek I [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► don't know where it came from and I [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► don't think anybody does mmm-hmm I may [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► be one there may be one of those things [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► where it was a misspelling like prawn [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► like oh that's a really good prawn and [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► and what it means was porn but they but [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► they were typing to catch fish [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► and it also brawl shrimping they call it [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► yeah okay all right or whatever all [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► those things that come out of 4chan [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► where somebody's like typing too fast [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► and they don't stick in your computer [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► they don't get it right like now on [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► 4chan [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► instead of wall they say kak-kek because [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► they're near each other I know they're [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► not at all they're not I mean all is [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► right next to each other kek is far away [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► but it it it stands for something else [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► and so on for 10 now everybody goes kack [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► kack and it's a it's a forced meme you [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► know it's that's there's that's a fun [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► thing yeah the forced meme okay forced [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► meme people are always trying to force a [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► meme I'm hoping I can make a meme out of [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► the fact that I'm always typing [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► something wrong on my on iOS and I end [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► up getting a comma and the letter n in [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► the middle of the word did you ever get [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► that I and when I'm texting I and 30% of [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► my texts with a lowercase B I'm like [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► what time we're gonna be there B and I [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► don't know why oh it's because the B is [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► right [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► in the center above the space bar I'll [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► see you do a dip dip on the bar and you [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► accidentally had to be actually so where [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► are we going be and no one ever comments [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► on it nobody's ever like why you calling [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► me B it's kind of rappy it sounds a [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► little bit rappy yeah what's up being [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► hit up what up B I have a friend that [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► ends every text with BB [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► what's up BB and I think what he means [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► is baby what's up baby oh I don't like [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► that at all [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► I hate it and I said to him a couple of [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► times like - please don't call me bebe [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► and he's like no it means like it means [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► like BB and I'm like no no no it does [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► not I just like mommy blogger it's like [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► a French diminutive that I don't like [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► applied to me out like a day they like a [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► bit babe a hmm no it's a black lady [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► reaction gif thing when you call [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► somebody BAE isn't that a black lady [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► reaction gif thing we need to talk about [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► don't think so I think that's a pure [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► millennium thing okay what's a BAE a BAE [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► is like a it's like a sweet baby but [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► it's like that's my baby but it's BAE [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► what about squat goals see I use I [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► deploy squad girls all the time I will [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► not say BAE and I won't let anybody call [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► me Bay okay [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► oh you just lay that out there just this [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► is not a thing we're gonna do this yeah [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► don't don't call me Bay and most people [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► most of the millenniums that I associate [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► with have the good sense not to use Bay [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► even in their own lives I have one that [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► I've been sitting on for several weeks [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► and I finally had to ask some [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► millenniums about it because I keep [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► seeing it in like Twitter moments I [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► don't know what it means and I think I [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► got an answer but people kept talking [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► about when they when there were people [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► like on a reality show that they wanted [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► to hook up they would say that they're [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► shipping them they say oh yeah we're [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► we're shipping you know Todd and Alice [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► from you know rippy bachelors show or [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► whatever and I never I didn't understand [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► what that means and I thought and I the [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► answer that I got is really unsatisfying [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► they say a it's been around for a long [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► time idiot you with relationship are you [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► familiar with shipping as it sorry sorry [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► no I never never seen it never heard it [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► I just don't know I don't want to be [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► culturally appropriate if I don't need [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► to be appropriate appropriate [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► appropriation I'm um that's what I'm [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► shipping [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► yeah well I think that there's I think [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► that the millenniums have a lot of [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► different levels of relationship that we [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► didn't have sing it sister right because [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► he had like not very they seem totally [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► finally there's just every everything's [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► all higgledy-piggledy like whatever [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► guess you can say someone's your BAE [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► yes shipping with them you should be net [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► Netflix and leaking John John could it [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► be complicated I think it I think that's [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► part of how where it got started right [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► again with a hook up it might be a [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► Netflix on fleek oh it's leaking chill I [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► bet we can chill I'm not sure if it's [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► true like I one of my first millennium [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► friends back when they were still like [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► 20 yeah I used to say to me all the time [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► used to sort of brag in a braggy young [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► person way about how fluid their [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► relationships works and as that's kind [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► of woke right it was well at the time I [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► think it was Ben it was it was a [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► contrast that that that this friend was [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► making between his you're like young [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► cool more groovy people and my old stuck [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► in the mud people and I never had the [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► heart to tell him that you know that I [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► whatever man I'd like touch more dicks [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► than you've had hot the entire line yeah [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► you were your patient zero for fluid [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► yeah that's right I was so fluid in the [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► early night for notes it's you've had [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► you've touched more dicks than you've [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► had hot meals is that it hot dinner too [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► many dicks that's too many I haven't [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► touched that many dicks but but but more [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► than hot more than he had had hot [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► dinners at the time now he may have had [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► more hot dinners in the interim I was so [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► fluid viscosity you know what I mean [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► like like early times this was like we [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► were very very existential viscosity you [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► were like eh you were like a human semen [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► squid he just fit into any space look [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► you know give it to you tell me where it [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► is and I will squeeze in there yeah what [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► time what do I wear [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► but as [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► time has gone on and now that he's a [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► person that's in his in his 30s like [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► that fluidity his fluidity has has [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► really coagulated right now he's just [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► sort of like he just wants a girlfriend [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► now oh yeah habit of thinking that [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► you're progressive yeah you think like [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► oh man I'm always gonna live like this [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► me and my friends are always gonna pig [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► pile naked and just like Netflix and and [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► and cleco all night and day and it's [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► like now well maybe but probably [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► everybody wants eventually everybody [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► wants a white picket fence except for a [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► very few of us just I always think about [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► the guys that there were kind of [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► ungraciously call townies but but the [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► guys in their late 20s 30s 40s 50s who [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► kept coming to college parties years [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► after they had gone there for one [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► semester I mean that's not a good look [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► in a pig pile no there was a there was a [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► that's not for you right there [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► there was a young kid who had a band [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► during the shearing peak indie rock [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► years here in Seattle and his dad was [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► the bass player in the band and his dad [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► was probably in his 40s and the kid was [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► late teens and his dad wore color in his [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► hair [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► you know like Manic Panic and it was [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► very uncomfortable for all of us because [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► you don't want to really be interacting [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► with the kid because he's a child [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► you don't want to interact with the dad [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► because he's a dad that he's not your [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► dad but he's a student he's clearly a [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► dad's and dad yeah and but they would be [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► at parties and events like they would [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► the kid could be there because his dad [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► was there [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► mm-hm and his dad shouldn't have been [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► there and that was always very hard and [TS]