Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► this episode of Roderick on the line is [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► brought to you in part by our X bar our [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► X bar score ingredients do all the [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► talking it's simply like eating three [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► egg whites two dates and six almonds [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► with no BS learn more right now by [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► visiting our X bar comm /ro TL and by [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Mack Weldon Mack Weldon is better than [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► whatever you're wearing right now to [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► find out why go and visit Mack Weldon [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► dot-com [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► hello yeah hi John hi Merlin how's it [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► going happy jeez November [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► yeah it's fall now bald autumn also [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► pumpkins pumpkins everywhere as the song [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► goes gourds gourds gourds just just [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► sitting here just sitting here I mean [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► that's the end the end well you know I [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► don't like to talk about the show on the [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► show you know but with that said [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► everything that's in the show is in the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► show sure are you on your new old [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► computer I am I'm in my new old room in [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► my new old computer on my new old [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► bedroom my new old studio room you're [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► kidding in my new old computer which I [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► just two minutes ago set up for this and [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I've got a there's a little bit of an [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► awkwardness because I've got a table and [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► the table is not big enough for the [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► computer table no I mean it's a table [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► but it's what's why it's it's long but [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► it's not wide and it's it's not like [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► it's not big enough but if I put it on [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► the table then I can't see pass to the [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► computer it would just be me and the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► computer and so I got a little table [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► like a like a little cocktail table then [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► I put on the side of the big table to [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► put the monitor so that I can kind of [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► look down sort of like sort of like the [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► master control program in Tron [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► okay so your your big cpu iMac unit is [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► on the secondary table it's on the side [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► right and then on the on the table is [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► only the wireless Logitech sunshine [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► powered keyboard that you turn me on to [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► but the problem is I don't like using a [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► wireless mouse [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► I just don't like it I didn't feel right [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► to you know I just feel like it's an [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► offense to nature mm-hmm we get Wireless [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► Keyboard is just as God intended but a [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► wireless mouse it's not really a mouse [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► anymore no it's like in the analogy I [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► mean part of what made it a mouse is it [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► had a little tail on it thank you [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► it's like a farmer's wife cut off their [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► tails with a carving knife which is [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► pretty brutal oh no I can't unsee that [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► so I like a wired mouse but the problem [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► with that is yeah I also don't want an [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► offshore mouse mm like a mouse that [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► looks like it was made for a PC oh oh I [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► see [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► this might be a little bit of Mouse [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► racism but I don't want a Logitech mouse [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► I don't want a mouse that's got lots of [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► buttons I don't like a mouse with a [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► spinner ball you would not like my [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► Logitech mouse because even though it is [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► a baller Mouse yeah it really it kind of [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► looks like Ed Begley Jr designed a race [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► car yeah I don't want to mount that [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► where it looks like I'm at a nail salon [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► getting you know lifelike manicure I [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► don't want a mouse that looks like a koi [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► pond like a gentleman's mouse a [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► gentleman's mouse and I have a nice [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► Apple Mouse that I like that came with [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► some ancient computer it's like it's [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► basically clear plastic it probably came [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► with a with one of those apples that was [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► like like colored and looked like a [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► gumdrop at we say african-american now [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► what was that I just sent you my mouse [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► you can see the Ed Begley Mouse all [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► right let me see this mouse here I'm [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► looking at it oh my goodness yeah that's [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► going on with that mouse it's got a lot [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► yeah it's got a lot of affordances on it [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► so I was looking online at mice and I [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► saw that a mouse touted somewhere the [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► inflator the MX master is it go to Mouse [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► it's like what abomination is that yeah [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► it's really ugly uh so anyway but here's [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► the thing my little Apple Mouse [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► which is which is clear like crystal and [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► only has far as I can tell it only does [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► one thing just it just moves well it [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► does two things it moves around and it [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► clicks it has one way of clicking it's [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► on a USB cord that is very short it's [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► it's not meant to be strung around it's [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► not probably not meant to go all the way [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► to a side table right and my side table [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► is on the left for not for ergonomic a [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► bull's your righty and I'm a righty so I [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► want my mouse to stretch all the way [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► over to the other side of the big table [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► and so I went on a quest for a extension [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► USB cable female-to-male on one end and [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► bail to be me on the other and as God [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► intended that's God intended and so [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► that's right I God didn't make Adam and [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► Adam in a met and Jeeves [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► so in my house as you probably know [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► there are 40 bins full of power cables [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► quarter inch cables XLR cables those old [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► 13 USB cables you see a couple of those [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► oh yeah do I have have some blackberry [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► power cables I have a lot of cables from [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► LG phones [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► I have printer cables I have wall warts [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► for every distortion box ever [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► manufactured by any manufacturer I have [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► Radio Shack equipment dating back to the [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► 50s I could like I could make crystal [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► radio set out of the cables I have and [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► so I'm like I will not go to the store [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► or log on to Amazon for this simple [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► cable I will find it in my archives my [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► cable calves and I spent the equivalent [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► of the man-hours that they used to build [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the Panama Canal looking for what seemed [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► to me to be a simple cable that everyone [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► should have seems so [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► to it if there's got to be one of those [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► around and there is not it never is I've [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► got things from the 90s I've got five of [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► something from the 90s and I've got like [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► one of those in the entire edifice and I [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► can never find it I think it's red I [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► think it's it's a very important cable I [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► have a million USB on one side firewire [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► on the other side yeah I don't know when [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► they made you change on remember they [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► made you change from the dirty pink [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► USB adapter nobody had to get all new [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► cables oh yeah he had to get an extra [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► set cuz you go to different places you [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► remember that I remember your about [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► frustrating that was it was frustrating [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► yeah well so I went on Amazon and I was [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► like okay fine I'm defeated like it was [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► like every time we go to Amazon it's [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► like fine you got me again you got me [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► Bezos go ahead and you know go ahead [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► take my money build another magic [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► dirigible that you won't even show the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► rest of us he's laughing all the time [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► he's flying around in dirigibles and [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► they have cloaking devices he's not even [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► sharing the fun with us [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► no we can't even came and see what he's [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► showing off if I were listen I've said [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► if I were yeah Elon Musk enough times [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► that there ought to be an acronym for it [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► mmm-hmm III II M or om um which it is [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► original I would have had a dirigible a [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► long time ago but not just a dirigible I [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► would have done a scale not a scale I [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► would have done a to scale reproduction [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► of the Hindenburg - the swastika decked [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► it out even nicer you know just like [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► decked it out really nicely would you [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► have liked tea service and stuff like [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► that oh for sure [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► white glove service and then here's the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► thing I wouldn't use it to go places I [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► would just Park it off the coast and it [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► would be my apartment oh he'll be like a [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► tree house without a tree yeah it would [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► just sky so disgusting does Elan live in [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► San Francisco or LA or somewhere like [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► else I you know what I don't know the [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► answer to that it's gonna drive our [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► listeners nuts but I feel like he must [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► well I'm sure he has more than one out [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► well I'm not sure I one imagines he has [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► more than one home I'll bet he's got [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► something in Silicon Valley right um [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► he's got something where he lives in the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► tube bunker somewhere I you know [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► actually I started thinking about this [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► not connected to Elon who obviously has [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► enough you know he's building a super [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► high-speed train to space so he's he's [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► busy I thought about this when I was [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► interacting with the orbit of that like [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► preppy bro that started snapchat that [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► rich young kid with a rich lawyer dad [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► who's like just sort of a beach bum [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► starts this thing now he's got a billion [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► dollars in and he's and something like a [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► hundred thousand pairs of glasses that [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► he can't but he did a smart thing with [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► his money I thought which was he bought [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► up the entire town of Venice California [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► now even if his company tanks at least [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► he has all his real estate I mean he's [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► become he became the biggest real estate [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► company that true Santa Monica he owns [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► so much land he bought Santa Monica [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► Airport it's the only true wealth right [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► so he just was you know like like rather [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► than then just keep that money in sports [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► football teams like Paul Allen oh Paul [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► Allen also bought a bunch of real estate [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► I mean real estate but so he's you know [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► he's doing that thing of like young tech [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► billionaire he's doing a little bit [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► smarter cuz he's buying real estate but [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► I'm sure he's rolling around Venice on a [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► unicycle with six armed guards also on [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► unicycles I was like why wouldn't that [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► kid buy have a Hindenburg bill for [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► himself park it right above and slightly [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► off the coast of Venice and just sit [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► there all day with those engines just [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► relaxing how relaxing it would be and [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► like if you need to go somewhere maybe [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► you want to get a bite it's something [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► you don't have on the dirigible you want [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► to go to like in and out or something [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► you just slowly lower it down that's [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► something to do in downtown LA and you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► would just like slow because I've always [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► loved [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► I've always loved forts I've over my [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► life I have created so many secret [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► hideouts for myself there's a time in [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► junior high when I almost lived in the [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► crawlspace where I'd like I had a whole [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► like environment up there that I created [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► you know to get your best what was your [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► best secret for man that was a thing [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► well no it's okay it can be revealed now [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► it's been unsealed but like circa eighth [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► grade when I was really at peak weirdo [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► at some point we gotten you get you get [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► a they you'll really call it an attic [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► you call it a crawlspace and it is [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► usually accessible via in Florida you [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► don't have basements it's accessible in [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► the garage there's usually like a little [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► door you move you get a ladder you move [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► this door aside and you can go up there [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► and put your Christmas shit up there um [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► and I'm not sure why this happened maybe [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► we had a credit card with Sears we [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► started getting lots of Sears things we [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► had Sears come out and install those [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► it's like a door you pull down a handle [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► and then folding steps come down you [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► know and you walk up you ascend up into [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► there and I had made that has got to be [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► up there for me excluding certain like [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► you know point of forts in the woods and [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► stuff like that that if to have that in [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► house like nearby to have someplace you [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► could go that was in your house but away [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► from your house it was like finding a [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► secret room [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► if felt totally underutilized to me like [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► why would you just put Christmas [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► ornaments up here like you could you [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► could bring choose your own adventure [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► books and a 16-ounce bottle of coke up [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► there it had a floor and and the wreath [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► it kind of had a floor mostly had that [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► pink itchy insulation the dry beans [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► that's sort of one reason you would you [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► but you know bears the other thing was [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► when you're in eighth grade and you got [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► coke and potato chips in a choose your [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► own adventure book you also have [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► relatively unlimited time especially if [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► you don't do homework so you can really [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► you can really plunge a resource I'm [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► just thinking like you know if you two [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► applied that [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► if you took that mindset with the budget [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► of a Zeppelin well sure but I'm curious [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► about this space did you put in a floor [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► or what what what did you stand I don't [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► remember what I did because you really [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► weren't supposed to be up there it [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► troubled my family that I went up there [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► I wasn't doing anything like dad I just [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► didn't want to be around people I think [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► I think I would bring up a portable [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► radio and then I would have had a little [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► bookshelf I put up there with my books [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► and I just mostly go up there just be [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► myself and listen to key 1:05 and that I [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► see I want to say that I put down boards [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► but I can't imagine I had the upper-body [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► strength to move boards up steps I [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► probably put down like a cardboard box [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► or fashion in their sets chair between [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► the beams of the house there was a there [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► was an apartment building here in [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► Seattle where a bunch of I used to work [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► in a punk rock pizza parlor and a bunch [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► of the pizza parlor people all moved in [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► together into one sort of rickety old [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► janky apartment building was it called a [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► squat yeah well they were paying rent [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► okay okay and it was one of those things [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► where the nice bedroom [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► belonged to the responsible girl who was [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► kind of the assistant manager and then [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► the next bedroom belonged to you know [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► the girl that worked hard and then the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► next bedroom was so late lazy girl and [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► her like like her incompetent friends no [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► and then like there was a actual stair [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► like a finished stair up to an attic [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► which was unfinished and had just no [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► floor it just had had like you're saying [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► insulation but it was a proper stair up [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► there and so a couple of the dudes at [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► the pizza parlor went in there and [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► showed all this ingenuity and and put [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► all this effort and money into buying [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► wood nailing it down and building a [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► floor in this [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► a building where I think the rent for [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► the whole thing was probably $400 Wow [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden they had they [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► built this like because it was an old [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► building so you could stand up up there [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► it was it was a big big attic space it [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► was a proper not just bedroom it was a [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► it was the whole top of the building Wow [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► what it was a flat and they had this [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► incredible loft up there which they just [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► constructed out of the air as far as I [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► could tell and I think the arrangement [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► was that they pay you know I don't know [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► how much rent they paid because they [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► invented the room but you know it was [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► such a step up from my thing which was [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► like hey is anybody sleeping on this [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► couch tonight oh yeah [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► that I just I was I was in awe of it and [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► then I'm probably you know I'm glad to [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► have you a little bit out of the way [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► well they were glad to have them they [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► none of them wanted me there after a [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► very short period of time and and it was [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► and that was that was that how a house [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► or a set of a set of people that I would [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► that was a time when I was behaving just [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► shamefully and so even when I think back [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► at it what should be wonderful memories [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► of my like mid to late drug period [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► they're awful memories and when that [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► building eventually was torn down by a [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► giant collection of backhoes and [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► bulldozers and replaced with a just [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► skeezy new condo eight story tall new [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► condo I rejoiced a little because it had [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► because some of my bad memories were [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► buried buried in a hole [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► yeah but I'm with you about the fort's [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► promise we didn't have none of our [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► places had good forts [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► anywhere no good forts you know I feel [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► like part of it is I mean obviously [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► there's this one thing where like when [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► you're a kid and I [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► count you know being 14 is you know [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► still being a kid but you know when [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► you're a kid especially when you're a [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► little kid you're small you can fit [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► under the sink you could go into the [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► credenza there's this there's a certain [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► appeal to like I wonder if I could fit [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► into that you know what I mean and like [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► then you see these photographs of like [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► apartments in Hong Kong I don't feel you [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► ever seen any of those photos of the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► inside of apartments in Hong Kong but [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► they're just they're crazy I mean [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► they're like a little bigger than like [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► an airport bathroom and a family lives [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► in them and it's just completely crazy [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► what people fit into these I think [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► there's something very appealing to a [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► certain kind of introvert weirdo [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► personality about having a hidey-hole [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► well all I ever wanted was a secret room [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► and I freaking I was talking to but it [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► was a friend who was having a house [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► built oh oh I know who was it was my [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► good friend Matt Dresner former bass [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► player of the gits [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► he had he has just rebuilt his house it [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► was you know it was a did a sort of gut [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► renovation of it and of course the first [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► question I asked was well did you have a [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► secret room installed mm-hm [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► and on the face of it his denial that he [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► had a secret room built is the smart [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► move right if I did I couldn't tell you [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► it's right you're not gonna say like [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► yeah I want to know where the secret [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► room is it's behind the painting where [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► the wall safe is like you're not gonna [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► reveal it to just any you know defeat on [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► purpose yeah but I could tell in his [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► reply that he he didn't have a secret [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► room built because what he said was I [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► talked to the contractor about a secret [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► room and it ended up that the bid to [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► build a secret room would have been was [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► prohibitively expensive I'll bet that's [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► how they get you [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► I'll bet they know we got a loved one [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► right yeah this I see this guy coming a [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► mile off he's gonna want a hidey hole [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► alright look at or a hidden staircase or [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► all those all those yeah I'm like I'm [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► okay so the I feel like there's a [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► hierarchy of these things we've talked [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► about the monk hole I think having a way [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► to get out of your house and move a [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► distance away even if it's not [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► inhabitable [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► per say it's just a smart idea yeah [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► right every house every house has to [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► have two means of egress like in case on [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► fire right you got to have way to get [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► out that just makes sense tunnel to the [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► back nine to the back nine but you also [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► I mean don't you need an existencial [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► means if aggress what if you just need [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► to get away from you what if you just [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► need to be somewhere so I think you got [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it you get among coal and that could be [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► a very modest Montcoal but it doesn't [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► have to be like a full-on like hallway [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► like a James Bond hallway although that [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► would be really nice that would be nice [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► then you get I think you can think about [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► again this is not as spectacular but [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► certainly like hidden panels like what's [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► the first thing you do in D&D you go in [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► a room and you search for like doors and [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► panels right yeah someplace where you [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► could put stuff I think a secret hallway [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► feels like a really smart grown-up thing [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► to put in your house a waiting made [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► there that's just for you is a very very [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► good idea my aunt my aunt's beach house [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► the entire inside of the house and I'm [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► talking about walls and ceiling was [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► painted beadboard and it's a style of [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► Oregon beach house that I think is it is [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► an imitation of a style of Cape Cod [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► beach house except because it was Oregon [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► you like Oregon in the in 1890 really [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► wanted to be Cape Cod in 1790 and so [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► they they built like whole communities [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► including the little town of gearheart [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► Oregon in imitation of this you know [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► like weathered [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► cedar shingles and and this though but [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► the thing about Cape Cod and I don't [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► think a lot of people know this is that [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► their beach houses of the East Coast the [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► vacation homes of the East Coast often [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► not even beach ones but like up in Maine [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and out on the coast a lot of them are [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► uninsulated like it's just the out walls [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► and then the the beams you know though [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► yeah I've made a lot of vacation homes [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► in pretty nice areas that are [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► essentially like a hovel uh-huh yeah [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► just a fucking missiles almost like a [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► lean-to [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► when you look at these on Cape Cod from [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► outside they're three storeys tall they [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► look like beautiful elegant homes it's [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► just that the inside isn't done and what [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► and because what they do is that the end [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► of the season the last day of summer [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► they lock the door and they don't come [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► back until May or June and it seems [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► crazy to me and from the Northwest [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► perspective it's never consistently the [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► weather is never consistent enough here [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► that you would build a house like that [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► I mean we don't have air conditioning [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► anywhere but we certainly do put [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► insulation in things so the oregon beach [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► house has insulated walls but beadboard [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► floor-to-ceiling and also the ceiling [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► and in this house it was painted kind of [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► dark green the beadboard was dark green [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► upstairs the beadboard was all painted a [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► bright and cheery cream yellow mm-hmm [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► but what it meant was because the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► beadboard is just panels they had a few [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► different places where if you kind of [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► pressed on the wall it would go pump and [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► you just wall would just open oh my god [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► and that's where their liquor cabinet [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► was oh my god behind a wall next to the [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► fireplace if you just like leaned on it [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► it would go and then the wall opened and [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► it was full of booze yeah like her hole [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► but the the problem was over the course [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► of 50 years of living there they that [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► was a popular place and so there's a [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► spot where you get wear and tear you [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► give 10,000 hands and so there's [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► basically like a like a brat like sort [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► of a gray hand shaped stain in the paint [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► yeah that's bad OPSEC yeah exactly so I [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► mean I think you also if you're gonna do [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► it that way you also have to carry a [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► hanky with you okay well it should be [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► like a hankie on a string well I mean I [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► think you're probably establishing one [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► of the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► guidelines for this kind of thing which [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► is that you know have it be commensurate [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► with how secret you needed to be how [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► much it's used uh-huh right so if you're [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► the kind of person like we were recently [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► looking at cap boxes in new litter box [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► and that you can get some very obviously [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► you can get self-defend a lot of money [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► some people want a litter box that also [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► doubles as like an end table or a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► nightstand [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► well I'm not here to judge but that for [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► me kind of feels like the worst of all [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► worlds right but I mean you know if it's [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► something where like you wouldn't want [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► your refrigerator to be invisible like [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► you know that's not hiding anything from [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► anybody although you do see those [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► kitchens where you walk in and you're [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► like where's the refrigerator we have [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► which of these things are doors for [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► something yeah and it just they made it [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► look like a cupboard that's that's a [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► little cute for my liking well yeah [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► because what you are you ashamed to have [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► a refrigerator why would you mask it [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► yeah we all have them [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► yeah it's just it's just nature but like [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► what I mean so in the hierarchy though [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► then so you got you you move up you get [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► my uncles I know I realize my uncle is a [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► very ambitious project you probably want [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► to undertake from the very design of the [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► house but like you know a secret panel [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► you get into like a hidden corridor and [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► I would call it a corridor but like a [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► secret room it doesn't even need to [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► really doesn't need to be like a V for [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► Vendetta room it doesn't need to be like [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► an entire like like secret den in fact I [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► think it'd be less detectable from [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► people who are like going and looking at [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► your plans right you don't want it to be [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► too detectable there's probably some [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► kind of illusion you can use with with [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► false walls and depths and assumptions [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► and visual illusions and tricks but I'm [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► talking about like a room that's big [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► enough to have like like like just I [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► don't know even just like a chair in it [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► but a place to lay down would be nice [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► too the first thing I do when I'm in a [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► space for any length of time as I walk [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► around trying to make sure that the [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► physical space as I perceive it for the [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► outside comports with the [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► the way that the space is conditioning [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► it's a hundred percent I do the side I [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► don't talk about it but I do the same [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► thing I learned this in the Amityville [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► Horror the horror you realize there [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► could be a secret red room in your [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► basement that you don't know about until [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► it's 3:15 a.m. right right you I don't [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► want to know no no no no no alarms and [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► no surprises I want to know what I'm [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► dealing with here and so you could do [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► that you know and again to talk to [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► another movie you look at the the [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► watching movie well Rorschach takes out [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► his tape measure he has an air SATs tape [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► measure to figure out where the comedian [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► is hiding his costume in photos there's [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► something like that I would take a [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► hidden panel in my closet I would put my [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► trophies in my and my pictures of Silk [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► Spectre one in there I would totally do [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► that I well and also who doesn't want a [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► thing where you open a wall and it's [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► full of machine guns machine guns [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► newspaper clippings [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► maybe things you've received from the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► mayor I think I've told you before about [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► the house in Sun Valley I went to with [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► my friend Trevor where his uncle after [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► we were smoking cigars after our steak [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► dinner he said you want to see my gun [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► room and we went upstairs this is back [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► before gun room was a thing where you [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► would go like oh no are you a murderer [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► this was back when I was like gun room [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► yeah you are it didn't used to be the [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► last thing you'd hear no it was like [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► you're a top shelf gentleman and we went [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► upstairs and into his bed he had a big [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► big house in in Sun Valley and we walked [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► through some door in his closet and then [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► through a secret door [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► an entire room a full-on bedroom sized [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► room full of machine guns oh man and he [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► wasn't a survivalist or anything like [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that he was just a rich dude an [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► eccentric a rich eccentric the trevor [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► was like oh that's my that's my uncle [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► with the [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► you know like it rolled his eyes but [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► when we can't when we went to Sun Valley [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► this uncle was like yeah [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► Trevor's here with his friends and he [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► just like we couldn't pay for anything [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► he treated us like big shots staking [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► cigars and he also had a room full of [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► guns and probably a room full of gold [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► bars that he didn't show that's what he [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► showed exactly this episode of Roderick [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► on the line is brought to you in part by [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► Mack [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► Elton you can learn more about Mack [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► Weldon right now by visiting Mack Weldon [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► calm guys I'm a huge fan of Mack [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► Weldon's clothes I buy an unconscionable [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► amount of their stuff using my very own [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► American money it's true I'm wearing [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► Mack Weldon as we speak don't be creepy [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► Mack Weldon makes stuff like shirts [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► pants hoodies socks and yes they're [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► internationally famous underwear these [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► pieces are all just insanely comfortable [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► they're sturdy and well-made they fit [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► great they look very handsome and they [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► feel amazing to wear real talk today I [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► want to talk to you once again about [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► Mack Walden's shirts because that's my [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► favorite that's that's I have so many of [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► these it's really really weird they make [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► something called the Pima long sleeve [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► t-shirt [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► I'm not comfortable admitting how many [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► of these I own but let's just say I have [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► sacks and stacks of them mini mini [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► they are literally my daily go-to top [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► layer and unless the occasion demands it [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► you'll more often than not find me in [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► one of these boys everyday they are the [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► best right now can you hear it [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► that's it close I know this sounds like [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► a weird one but I love their plain white [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► t-shirts it's so hard to find a white [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► t-shirt that you like they gets so gross [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► they're so skinny and they get all [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► balled up and untucked mm-hmm not at [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► Mack Walden these are Hardy well [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► tailored shirts with a nice long tail [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► keeps it tucked in like you're a big boy [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► I switch to these last years throughout [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► all my other shirts with the disgusting [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► yellow pit stains since then I've never [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► looked back Mac Weldon and then of [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► course yes there are their magical [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► Underpants mat golden has a line of [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► silver underwear and shirts that are [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► naturally antimicrobial and that means [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► they eliminate odor they want you to be [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► comfortable so if you don't like your [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► first pair you can keep it no refund [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► your money no questions asked this is [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► insane [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► Mac Weldon you guys listen please go you [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► head over to Mac Weldon calm go have a [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► look around look at these shirts look at [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► these Underpants when you found [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► something you like and you're ready to [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► checkout use our very special promo code [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► ro TL just like it sounds are OTL and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► you're gonna get 20% off your order [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► our thanks to Mac Weldon for supporting [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► Roderick on the line and all the great [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► shows right that's left the room that he [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► showed you you know okay now let me ask [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you this is it mmm how does one put this [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► where is the line in deciding what you [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► offer up to people these RVs showing [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► your secret [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► things because it seems to me somebody [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► who's offering to show you their secret [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► things may not be so good at keeping a [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► secret or do you think it's not like a [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► false flag operation he's showing you [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the little gun room [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► he's never gonna show you what the big [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► gun room is my sense of that because [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► this was in the 1980s my sense of that [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► is that at the time conspiracy was not a [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► mainstream thing like it wasn't I [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► remember I'm sorry to interrupt you but [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► I remember very specifically I was [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► working at my parents restaurant and [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► there's a guy who pulled me aside he was [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► a regular customer every Saturday night [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► and he asked me what I knew about the [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► Trilateral Commission uh-huh and I said [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► I said can I get you more water and he [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► said do you understand what the [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► Trilateral Commission is and I said I do [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► not know what the trial omission is and [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► and this is gonna surprise you but at [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► length he told me what the Trilateral [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► Commission is and now my first my first [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► hands-on exposure to conspiracy culture [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► was probably 1979 or 80 I I don't think [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► I don't think it became such a thing [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► until maybe even Waco like I don't think [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► that normal people would look at [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► something like that and go you are a [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► loon yeah well because because the great [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► conspiracies all were anti-semitic right [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► I mean you were you had to you already [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► had established yourself if you were [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► talk about the trilateral commission [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► there was an 80% chance that you were [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► gonna start talking about the [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► Rothschilds Zionism yeah and in a winky [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► winky kind of way okay okay um you know [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► the protocols of the Elders of Zion [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► just like JFK well so that was right I [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► think JFK was great probably the first I [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► mean after after it let's be honest [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► after the Judaism issue JFK has got to [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► be one of the first truly great white [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► people conspiracies right where the word [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► that I mean the CIA the Cubans Lyndon [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► Johnson the like the people that managed [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► Wiggly pigley like everybody was [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► involved it's all connected I have seen [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► look at this red yarn but in the in the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► 80s and into I think the first [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► conspiracy a book I read that wasn't [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► that wasn't like a mainstream conspiracy [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► like who shot JFK [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► was a book called behold the pale horse [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► oh yeah you've talked about this remind [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► me about this yeah behold the pale horse [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► was written by one of these guys [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► probably the same guy that that wouldn't [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► let you finish your busboy rounds cuz he [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► wanted to talk about the crisis it's all [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► connected John everything's kind of put [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► it but this was the first book I think [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► that made that argument that it's all [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► connected and it goes down throughout [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► the book and it and it talks about all [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► the conspiracies the Flat Earth them [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► under the under the ice UFO secret [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► government has have been around for a [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► while the lizard people yeah it has and [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► and this guy took it all and put it [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► together you know as he know with a [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► conspiracy it there only has to be loose [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► association association it wouldn't be a [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► conspiracy do you know do you know what [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► kind of like self-knowledge and sanity [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► it takes to take in that much disparate [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► information and stay a sane person it [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► takes a very strong character trying it [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► does it does and and it's funny because [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► yesterday I posted without comment a [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► couple of grapple graphs and [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► infographics and put on some [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► infographics that I found as I was [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► watching the internet go as I was [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► watching it roll on roll on steam [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► rolling on I found these infographics on [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► voxcom [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► and one of them they were two very [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► interesting ones it was just like gun [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► ownership on one axis to violent deaths [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► on another axis by state and by and by [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► country by nation and you know [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► predictable results like the states that [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► had more gun ownership had more gun [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► deaths I know that's a radical I mean [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► you're not even drawing a conclusion [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► from it it's just a data all right and [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► the countries that had more guns had [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► more gun deaths in them there's not a [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► graphic indicating how many good guys [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► with guns bring up that save rate yeah [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► and it doesn't end it and and to be [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► honest it does not make a distinction [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► between [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► and suicide deaths and violent crime [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► deaths I think it's cause mm-hmm and and [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► and there was and it was hilarious [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► because you know at first of course my [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► Twitter followers the initial wave of [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► them are like wow you know this should [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► this is a wake-up call or you know it [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► was like the the sort of Twitter [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► responses that are validating the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► amplifying preaching to the choir once [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► and then it got into that realm of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► internet professor oh boy here he comes [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► and the first and and and people who are [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► like I'm not a statistician but I play [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► one on TV yeah and I got the first reply [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► where the reply er used the word [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► causation and I was like in before [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► correlation does not equal causation [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► like I wanted to get in before that in [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► the in the in the 4chan parlance because [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► law and the the first ones were these [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► people that were like interesting [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► correlation mm-hm [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► and I was like is that feels like a dog [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► whistle mm-hmm but then out it goes into [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► and pretty soon it's one of those things [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► that has found its way to people that [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► are that are sitting on their branches [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► out in the doubt in the dirt and there's [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► no I made no comments on these graphs [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► and within the graph fix themselves [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► there's no commentary it's just simply a [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► line turns out when there's more rain [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► things get wet that's right it's just [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► the thing and people started arguing [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► they started arguing with the with the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► graphic because they started arguing [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► with the implication that they drew from [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► the graphic and gradually little by [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► little came this wave of correlation [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► does not equal causation [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► and what that is is the that's another [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► one of these things like ad hominem [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► attack or straw man fallacy where you [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► get a term and it's used enough that it [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► is disseminated out to a group of people [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► that don't really know how to use it [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► but they but now they're employing it as [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► a way of like like during the during the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► last election the number of times I read [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► the word straw man mm-hm [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► even referring to things that was like [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► well that's what you know that's [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► actually not I mean it it is a fallacy [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► it's just not that one but it's one of [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► those ones like like the one the classic [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► hit for me is just introducing the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► notion of hypocrisy it's one of those [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► it's in your quiver as one of those [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► things that will just shut down the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► conversation and you may understand why [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► the conversation just shut down but you [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► feel you get to feel like you won [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► because you said caught you said you [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► said correlation yeah yeah that's right [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► and so that I think came as a result of [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► people trying to talk to conspiracy [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► theorists and say well I mean I see [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► there is some correlation here but it [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► but it doesn't that doesn't mean that [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► there's causation here and the [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► conspiracy theorist got that and they [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► were like hmm that's that shut me down [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► that time I didn't know what that meant [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► so now I'm gonna I'm gonna turn that [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► right and now all the conspiracy [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► theorists are using it or or rather all [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► that like nuts are using it to to argue [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► with graphs all right argue with like [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► not just statistic that's the price of [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► freedom John it was really an [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► interesting process really an [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► interesting like three hours because it [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► just press freedom John in order to have [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► the freedom to have guns for no [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► particular reason we need to understand [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► some people are going to die from guns [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► cuz that's the price of freedom it is [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► freedom it is the price of freedom well [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► I think you know the other thing you [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► have to remember is people die Oh [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► correlation yeah well things go to sleep [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► there's no snow and then you wake up and [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► everybody's been shot that's a [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► correlation [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► it's not the gun it's the bullet that [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► kills people so what are you gonna do [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► Marilyn you're gonna make bullets you [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► gonna take physics and make it illegal [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► you can't land on a fraction law cars [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► kill people you're gonna make cars [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► illegal this episode of Roderick on the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► line is brought to you in part by our X [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► bar you can learn more about our X bar [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► right now by visiting our X bar comm /r [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► OTL this is a new sponsor and we are [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► very very excited to have them I am a [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► fan of our X bar let me tell you a [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► little bit about what this is our X bar [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► is a whole food protein bar and what [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► does that mean it means that their bars [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► are made with 100% whole ingredients our [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► X bar wants to be transparent and [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► upfront with their customers which is [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► why they label the core ingredients [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► right on the front of the package and [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► the ingredients that make up the texture [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► and taste on the back it's all there [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► things like 100% real cacao tickets how [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► you pronounce that cacao coconut what [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► have you all I know is they're yum [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► delicious beyond being a go-to snack [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► that checks off a number of nutritional [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► boxes rx bars actually taste delicious [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► this is true they found creating a bar [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► made from real whole food ingredients [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► actually tastes better than anything out [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► there they don't need the fillers they [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► don't need the additives they don't need [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► the chemicals or the added sugar in here [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► here's the thing the core ingredients [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► they do all the talking it says right on [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► the front it's simply like eating three [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► egg whites two dates and six almonds [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► with no b.s that means bad stuff that's [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► fun turns out that real food ingredients [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► actually do taste good you can actually [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► taste the cacao the real fruit and the [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► spices like sea salt mmm it's really [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► like sweet or savory chocolate or fruit [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► flavors there's an arcs bar for you 11 [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► delicious flavor varieties and they're [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► all gluten free soy free dairy free no [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► added sugar no artificial colors [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► artificial flavors preservatives or [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► fillers and hey whites for protein dates [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► to bind it and the nutsert for texture [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► our X bars are great night yeah here's [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► the thing I I my pal Dan introduced me [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► to these things and I was very skeptical [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► tell me about this a few months ago I [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► thought what the heck I'll try it and I [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► got totally hooked see I do this dumb [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► thing where how does one say I forget to [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► eat all day long he gets to be like 2 or [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► 3 o'clock I forget to eat [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► what am I gonna do I go eat a like a [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► like a whole [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► like a jar of chow mein no I go and I [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► have this ready supply right here right [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► here on my desk you can hear it I got [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► these wonderful chocolate sea salt rx [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► bars I have a pile of them right here on [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► my professional podcasting desk now [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► what's my favorite I'll have those Faria [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► go-to snack little tide me over till [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► dinner [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► a lot of people also like the mixed [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► berry and the apple cinnamon to each his [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► or her own we always say here on [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► Roderick on the line rx bars for 25% off [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► your first order we want you to go over [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► to our X bar comm /r OTL and use the [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► very special promo code ro TL just like [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► it sounds a check out then I'll get you [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► 25% off your first order our X bar comm [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► /ro TL our thanks to them for joining us [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► as a new sponsor for supporting Roderick [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► online and all the great shows for a [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► half your argument is invalid so anyway [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► but I I want to return just for a moment [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► to your search for a cat box yeah have [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► you ever I've seen a lot of cat boxes [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► advertised as smell free mm-hmm smell [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► proof and I've never actually seen a cat [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► box in the wild that was truly smell [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► proof I've seen smell proof [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► self-cleaning cat boxes in the wild but [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► they smell like cat boxes yeah do you [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► know of in all this technology so we put [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► a man on the moon right we we have [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► invented the Roomba [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► can't put metal in the microwave but you [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► can't put metal in the microwave also a [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► microwave cannot cook the center of a [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► lasagna no matter how long you put it in [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► there that's I have seen that just [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► that's not correlation that's just a [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► fact yeah so yeah [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► oh you guys are you real smart you got a [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► thousand Rams in your computers ya [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► figure this out but how the fuck do you [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► cook the inside of a lasagna you can't [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► do it yeah but why has there not why has [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► Elon Musk or someone or the poor the [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► dude bro from snapchat yes why did he [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► make those sunglasses [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► stead of actually inventing a way to own [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► a cat and not have your house smell like [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► a cat scene why would anybody spend [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► money putting in fucking granite [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► counters in their kitchen when they [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► could use that money to make a secret [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► room whoa right oh how about I you know [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► what I want everything in my kitchen to [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► be invisible [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► I don't want doors I don't want to see [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► doors but I can't can't afford a hidden [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► room here's the thing I think there's [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► two ways to look at smell at least two [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► ways to look at smell in the one way the [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► one that people think about is ooh my [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► cat makes a tinkle on a duty in a box [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► right and I don't want to smell it no [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► right I think that's when most people [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► talk about that I think that's what they [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► mean in our case it's that as much as [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► one does not want to be led around by [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► one's cat one's cat decides whether or [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► not that box will accommodate its [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► blessing oh and so the other kind of [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► smell is it maybe the cat doesn't like [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► the way that thing smells so although [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the pleasant knock-on effect of [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► frequently changing or you know sifting [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► out the cat box and nice knock-on effect [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► of that as your house does not smell [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► like ammonia as much right the important [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► thing is you make sure you maintain a [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► high level of confidence and dignity [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► with your cat that your cat knows that [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► the he or she or they can go into the [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► box and offer up their blessing in a way [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► that won't be disturbing to them has it [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► ever occurred to you or does it appeal [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► to you at all to be one of those people [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► that teaches their cat to crouched on [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► the toilet seat and go to the bathroom [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► in the toilet I'm intrigued by the [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► people who do and I've done a little bit [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► of scholarship about cat training I [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► don't I don't hold that it is impossible [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► is probably difficult but I think if you [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► if you're the kind of person that really [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► wants to train a cat maybe you can or [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► more importantly maybe you can see [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► yourself you think the cat if you're the [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► kind of person who wants to think that [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► you've trained a cat yes I like that [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► it's kind of it's a kind of feline [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► suggestibility I'm not against it and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► I'm not saying it doesn't exist don't [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► don't email me yeah what we were looking [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► for was we have an old cat who's got a [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► lot of problems and at one point why did [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► we do this basically we wanted to have a [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► box that she would enjoy using and that [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► we ideally wouldn't have to see [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► and smell so we've tried some different [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► ones now we're gonna get a lot of [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► letters about this because you can [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► actually plunge a lot of money I have [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► friends who have the very expensive [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► self-cleaning boxes that look like a [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► space capsule uh-huh and you can spend [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► four figures on something like that and [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► those worked there they're useful device [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► they think they work they tell you that [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► they work but I mean that's a lot like [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► trading a cat yeah right that's the [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► thing right they try they tell you that [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► works but how much how much side [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► maintenance are they doing that they're [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► not acknowledged John is there any [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► chance that it could just be cat [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► correlation cat correlation is not [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► causation it could be a cat availability [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► heuristic right cat confirmation by us [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► it could be a cat hominem argument well [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► there it is cat confirmation bias [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► because there tip so plasma trichinosis [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► deposit trichinosis and also yeah you [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► know I mean like you know who knows no [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► the cat has you convinced and smell the [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► cat is important right the cat the cats [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► like you love the smell who's training [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► whom maybe it's training less that's it [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► that was one of my favorite or a late [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► period or eat the Franklin I don't know [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► why we have animals in our house some of [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► the photographs of these cat boxes are [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► very very funny just like the idea that [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► you get your lamp up on the table and [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► you see this little head sticking out oh [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► yeah this is my shit box I put a light I [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► visited a cat last night oh that I used [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► to own Oh [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► after my wonderful cat my beloved cat [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► Lewis was killed I was despondent and a [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► friend of mine had a cat that was the [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► this friend of mine was in a love [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► relationship with a guy that I know I [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► know them both they're both friends of [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► mine and it turned out that their and [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► then they had a baby a beautiful [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► beautiful baby and then it turned out [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► that the guy didn't really want to like [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► be tied down by a bunch of rules sound [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► and so we're always trying to tie it [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► down with rules I know [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► rules and stuff and so their [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► relationship ended and as a parting gift [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► to kind of like maybe salve the wound of [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► him just moving into an apartment across [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► town and getting a girlfriend he got [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► them a cat that they didn't want I'm [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► kind of fun it was like a lovely parting [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► gift it was sort of like oh you know [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► brought it home it gave the cat to the [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► little girl like sweetie I got you this [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► wonderful gift you take care of this now [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► yeah and the mom was like we didn't want [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► cat yeah and if we had wanted a cat it [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► wouldn't be that cat we didn't even get [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► to choose the cat and he dropped the cat [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► off and then was never seen again [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► definitely a certain kind of genre of [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► gift here you have yes yeah and and it's [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► not that he was never seen again I see [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► him all the time it's just that he never [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► was seen again in the context of the cat [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► this was one of those cats that was [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► weaned too early it had it's a cat whose [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► head is too small for its body oh no not [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► like micro encephalitis of Oh Mike Oh [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► Mike Rowe okay oh no so cephalic did it [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► was it was just a you know some cats [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► have proportions like anybody else and I [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► don't want a body shame this cat but [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► it's just like him just for you it's not [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► the prettiest cat no no and what you [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► picked it to bring into your home for [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► ever this is not a cat I would have [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► picked this is a cat that my mom would [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► suggest that you drown in a river she's [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► from Ohio she has she had 20 cats living [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► under the corn crib but that's a [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► different thing and so the cat was one [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► of those cats that if you touched it the [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► first time it would purr have you [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► touched it the second time it would like [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► rub up against your hand I mean if you [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► touched it the third time it would grab [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► you in its claws and bite you I'm not [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► I'm not a cat psychologist but you think [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► that comes from the weaning too early it [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► sounds like it has trust issues in [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► additionally have a tiny tiny head it [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► sounds like it's got trust issues cuz Oh [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► a cat is ultimately a wild animal [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► it wants to be wild that's right and [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► this cat did have trust issues this cat [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► was purchased or [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► scavenged by this guy who immediately [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► handed it over to a one and a half year [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► old and they start and and a woman that [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► didn't want it there but I think it was [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► already this way so the cat stayed with [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► them for a while at this point we saw [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► evidence no no he left a cat into the [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► house like dropped it off and said here [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► this is me now no no I mean I think he [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► sees her on Wednesdays and Sundays [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► what's the cat I sleep and and so this [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► little girl you know these are [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► progressive people these are good [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► friends of mine and progressive people [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► and they were one of the they were one [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► of the parents's who taught their pre [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► verbal child sign language oh right [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► because of the you know because of the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► understanding that child can communicate [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► before they can talk and so they taught [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► the the baby how to sign like hungry and [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► tired and stopped sending to me mad and [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► like you know you're not the boss of me [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► and whatever else and so the mom my pal [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► came into the room one time to find the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► cat like claws in each side of the [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► baby's head like like cat biting the the [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► baby's pate made the baby into prey [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► while the baby was signing frantically [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► signing stop stop stop [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► no I hate that image it's terrible and [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► stuff cuz the cat didn't speak baby [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► silent hitch the cat did not speak baby [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► silent they should see they should've [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► thought the big cat sign language well [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► this is the thing they taught the baby [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► sign language they didn't I guess [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► communicate to the baby that she needed [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► to be looking at someone while signing [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and so that they could see her she was [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► talking to herself with her hands yeah [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► she was talking to them to the walls and [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► so the mom immediately called me and [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► said we need your help and that help is [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► get this cat out of here can't do an [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► extraction and I said I'll be there in [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► 15 minutes [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► and so I came over with a cat extraction [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► vehicle [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► that's right it was it was like a Geek [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► Squad actually doesn't yeah I showed up [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► with a cardboard box and a roll of [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► masking sitting by the front door for [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► other reasons I was like okay I'll take [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► this box in this roll of masking tape [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► mm-hm [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► so I show up over there and here's this [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► cat who now just seems demure and and [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► the baby the cat doesn't know it's bad [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► we put that on the cat cat spine and you [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► know I am a cat whisperer that's why she [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► called me [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► and so I'm there and and I do the thing [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► that a cat whisperer does which is not [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► approach the cat you just sit and start [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► making Pleasant chitchat with the with [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► the other humans let the cat find you [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► the cat's gonna find you cats not [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► unaware that you're there it's curious [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► it just means it's time so I'm talking [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► to the to the grown-up and you know and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► interacting with the child and they both [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► have a look of desperation in their eyes [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► like like a Stockholm Syndrome situation [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► like everything's fine everything's fine [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► but there there's eyeballing me well [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► their adrenaline let's just be pumping [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► yeah when are you gonna get this this [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► monster out of here right and I'm you [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► know I'm like I'm like the bus driver in [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► in the spill Justin Hoffman movie one [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► day but no the one who walks around the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► streets shouting Attica Attica oh yeah [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► Dog Day Afternoon I'm like the I'm like [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► the cop bus driver that that fooled the [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► audience in the big twist at the end of [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► the movie when I see so spoiler alert [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► you're the sleeper cell [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► I'm the sleeper cell or something you're [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► at least in disguise so but you know in [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► your kind of training that like you need [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► to come in and play it off legit the [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► only way to make friends with a cat is [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► to not pay attention to the cat that's [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► right and so the cat eventually finds me [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► and I pick the cat up and the cat is you [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► know the cat gives me two three paths [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► and then is [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► biting me and climbing me mm-hmm but in [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► a way that it thinks is fun and I'm like [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► you know Kitty I've been clawed by by [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► bigger cats than you and I gradually [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► just maintaining friendly eye contact [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► with my friend and her daughter I take [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► the cat [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► I put the cat in the box now you me that [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► simple did you scoop it did you did you [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► grab it by the by the scrub I already [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► had the cat in in my lap you're doing [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► like a Blofeld pet yeah and then the cat [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► a Blofeld pet that's attacking you okay [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► I put the cat in the box now the cat did [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► not expect the box the cat never expects [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► the box if you leave a box out a cat [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► will go into it [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► but the cat expects that box mm-hmm so [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► if you go if you try and approach that [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► box with the cat in it and like close up [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► the box it depends on the cat yeah [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► that's gonna sometimes but in this [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► instance it was like hey cat why don't [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► you go in this box for a little bit I [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► put the cat in the box and then I tried [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► to seal the box with masking tape [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► loosely right but standard cardboard [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► Amazon stop box with four flaps that's [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► right oh boy now I don't know if you've [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► ever tried to seal a cat in oh yeah but [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► cat was not into it and masking tape is [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► not sufficient you know you you're never [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► really truly ready for a motivated cat [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► that's right that's right it was the cat [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► moves in ways that are very [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► unpredictable the best you can do is [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► like like a blanket party the best you [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► can do is like basically throw it in a [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► sack which I've done I have thrown a cat [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► in a sack it's yeah as you need to [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► really like overwhelm the cat so quickly [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► that there's no part of their body [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► they're like yeah like any kind of a [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► pest if they can get their head out the [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► whole body will come out that's exactly [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► what I get for flaps down and tape it it [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► was very hard and I'm God I mean I read [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► a thread on Quora the other day where [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► some European smartypants was like why [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► are American cops so rough [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► and then of course there was the [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► predictable answer from a bunch of cops [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► but what is correlation yeah one of the [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► cops was like I'd like to propose a [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► thought experiment why don't you go [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► wherever you are and find the smallest [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► person you know just the one that you [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► think is like the smallest least [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► physically imposing person you know now [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► try to put handcuffs on them if they [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► don't want you to yeah what we're [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► neither one did you get hurt I challenge [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► you go do it now find the smallest [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► person I mean that's not a child the [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► smallest adult person you and try and [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► put handcuffs on it you say go and [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► apprehend a twink we go well now that's [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► not a word we can use it I use that word [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► anymore I can't say it because it's not [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► part okay okay let's say you've got to [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► get this cat in the box I put enough [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► masking tape over it that it is just an [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► initial level and I mean I was coming [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► out of the crack well at the very first [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► I think I had successfully convinced the [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► cat it was a game but then I picked the [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► box up and I am saying [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► avoir to my friends as I'm hustling to [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► the door with the cat in the box and the [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► cat then realizes the jig is up [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► and nothing to lose he's trying to get [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► out of that box [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► sure and once we get outside I don't [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► want to let the cat out of the box [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► outside cuz it's not an outside cat so [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► I'm on my way to the car and I'm trying [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► to keep the cat immediately has nine [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► paws right like how are how are all [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► these paws getting out of this box [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► there's like I can count nine paws as [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► it's just thrashing and roaring well I [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► get it to get it to my car and I get the [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► cat in the car and then I don't care if [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► it gets out of the box because the car [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► is a contained environment all I have to [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► do is get the cat in the box one more [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► I get it in the car I take it and I get [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► in the car okay and she puts a bunch of [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► cat accoutrement in the trunk and she's [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► so grateful she's like thank you [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► collects all the cats things all the [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► cats luggage in the trunk can I go home [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► the cat is walking around my car roaring [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► at me [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► at me [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► I'm only grateful that it is a girl cat [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► because she's not like pissing on [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► everything in that kind of fury piss [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► that only a cat can do like a dog does a [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► defensive spray or a scared spray we're [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► scared spray right I think that's the [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► that's what a cat does when it feels [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► threatened but a cat's an asshole right [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► cuz they're all assholes it feels [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► threatened just because you're like you [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► put it in a car in a box covered with [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► masking tape anyway I get it home and I [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► get the cat in the in the house and the [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► cat and I began to live together well so [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► so the cat is named Lucy and I could [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► never separate the cat's name from [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► Lucile Van Pelt's because they basically [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► have the same personality the cat is [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► deceptive the cat is like you know like [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► it's one of those cats where you wake up [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► in the morning you stumble down the [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► stairs pour yourself a cup of ambition [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► yawn stretch try to you know come to [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► life and this cat leaps out from behind [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► leaps out from its secret room which we [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► weren't even aware existed and claws the [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► shit out of your ankles while you're not [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► ready and now you're in a Clouseau and [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► Kato type situation it's exactly right [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► where the cat the cat thinks that it's [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► funny to come attack you and then rage [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► off into the night and so you're always [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► walking around the house with your [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► ankles and wrists are are always like [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► covered with scratches and you have I [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► mean I had cat scratch fever the entire [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► time cat scratch fever it's better than [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► Wango Tango it's a great riff dude that [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► is a really good riff so eventually [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► didn't scratched by Kate oh yeah [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► actually I'm like cat [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► Lucy Lucy cat she lived here for about [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► six months I was like Lucy I just I find [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► this relationship [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► just isn't going anywhere like I'm not [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► falling in love with you I mean I fell [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► in love with Lois the day he showed up [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► just not meant to be [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► I'm not bonding with you sweetheart [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► mm-hmm and I said you're gonna go live [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► on a farm and in this case on the farm [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► the farm is my mom's house oh I see it's [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► it's a metaphorical metaphorical form [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► that's right because my mom had 20 cats [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► living under the corn crib and only two [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► of them had names she knows what to do [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► with a disagreeable cat [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► she's not gonna train you to go to the [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► bathroom in a toilet she just doesn't [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► care [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► mm-hmm and that like lack of care kind [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► of extends in all directions so the cat [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► went to live with my mom and my mom was [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► fine she was fine the cat was fine I [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► think the I think Lucy understood as all [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► animals do that you do not jump out from [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► behind a piece of furniture and claw my [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► mom now boy we do it once it's not at [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► one time buddy we had a cat that would [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► not enter the living room I knew better [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► it knew better than to go into the [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► living room and we would all be in the [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► living room with the doors wide open on [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► both sides and the cat would would come [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► to the threshold of the living room and [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► sit now if you can train a cat to do [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► that I will put in with you you cannot [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► train a cat to do it unless you are my [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► mom and she never hit this is also an [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► important distinction though because [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► training is man I'm gonna get a book and [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► I'm gonna get an audio book and I'm [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► gonna watch some YouTube videos and I'm [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► gonna train my cat or you could be the [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► kind of person who throws a certain [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► shape where the cat just learns how to [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► stay alive yeah the cat was like [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► entering that room puts me at risk [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► somehow I don't get my mind right yeah [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► psionic risk mm-hmm because the woman [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► there the woman what that is that is [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► vibrating in colors that only I can see [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► the woman that is making that is making [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► noises at both ends of the [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► sonic spectrum that no human can hear [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► she comes in colors everywhere yeah she [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► will send mind lightning now huh if I [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► walk across the threshold so I don't [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► want that sadness that's a good word for [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► it yeah so and my mom uses psyonix all [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► the time she uses it on like I haven't [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► seen her in months and I get her [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► psionics yeah well she's she walks [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► around and like um you know like bad men [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► on the sidewalk in the middle of the [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► night we'll kind of step to the side and [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► take their head their their their [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► balaclavas off on their way to their [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► their appointment robbing stores milady [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► yeah she does it but she eventually said [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► there's no there is no magic to this cat [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► mm and if I'm gonna feed and clothe a [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► worker I would like that worker to be [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► working in the mind and a cat has a job [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► yeah and this cat is not performing up [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► to the standards of employment here well [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► right about that time Erik Corson bass [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► player of the long winters was spending [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► a lot of time at the house because we [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► had built a studio in our Munk hole in [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► the basement of her house we had a rock [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► and roll monk hole down in the basement [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► no one down by your racks of glasses yep [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► yeah down there we call it the Red Room [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► but it was only because it had I had [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► chosen for it bright red carpet but the [TS]

01:06:11 ◼   ► room itself was painted gunmetal grey so [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► it was already it was already creating [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► like disturbance in you even as he [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► walked through the door like it was like [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► alert alert alert monk home uncle Eric [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► loved it down there and he he and I were [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► spending a bunch of time down there [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► recording tambourine tracks on the [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► unreleased forth long winter's records [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► months and months anyway Eric and Lucy [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► saw each other across a crowded dance [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► floor and moved through the crowd toward [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► one another and met in the middle and [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► were never to be apart and Lucy now to [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► this day [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► ten years later lives happily with Eric [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► Carson in his house in white center [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► Seattle and Eric thinks about her and [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► she thinks about him every minute of [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► their lives and he and every morning he [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► wakes up and stumbles to the kitchen she [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► attacks him and shreds his ankles and he [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► considers it the ultimate gesture of [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► love and he grabs her and goes oh do do [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► pooty doo doo doo dee and she bites him [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► in shreds him and he goes Dora burger [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► googoo gaagaa and she loves him I've [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► never seen an animal love a person so [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► much she wasn't doing it out of [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► malfeasant aggression no that's how she [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► do this is just a weaning thing she is [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► so important didn't get enough time with [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► her mom so I'm interacting with Lucy all [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► the time because I've been over Eric's [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► house oh really and you know glad to [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► hear that yeah it's fun oh it's fun [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► um and my impression of I mean I've had [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► more interesting interpersonal [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► interactions with a hard-boiled egg that [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► I have Lucy do you see listen [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► differently now I mean now that you see [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► Lucy in an accommodating environment you [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► see the cat differently well when I look [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► into her eyes deep into her eyes tiny [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► little head I see into infinity because [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► between her eyes and infinity there [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► isn't anything it just goes and goes is [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► she an old soul [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► I don't know why I think that is part of [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► the infinity in there okay and it may be [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► that I don't see it because it's smaller [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► than the space that it's meant to occupy [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► it's kind of like maybe it's down in the [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► bottom and I can't quite see it okay but [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► she and Eric understand each other [TS]

01:09:11 ◼   ► perfectly and watching her be a good [TS]

01:09:16 ◼   ► house cat and a good studio cat and like [TS]

01:09:18 ◼   ► a constant companion and friend she she [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► and Eric play this game you know he has [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► one of those walk around houses where [TS]