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Ep. 263: "Rear Admiral Crunch"

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0:00:22hello hi John hi Merlyn how's it going

0:00:26super good

0:00:28are you having a nice morning so far a

0:00:30pretty good morning yeah T good morning

0:00:33you know I'm trying to I'm trying to

0:00:35practice better sleep hygiene I've heard

0:00:38rumors about this yeah and the Sun now

0:00:41the Sun has become my friend the Sun

0:00:44accommodates us it's finally like a

0:00:46normal day yeah I accept we're about

0:00:48daylight savings time it again uh like a

0:00:52week from now it's all gonna go to shit

0:00:54again

0:00:54it's only in the last week that sunset

0:00:57feels like a normal time and I don't I

0:01:01don't mind the dark mornings but it

0:01:02feels like it came up I mean you're in a

0:01:03different latitude longitude you're in a

0:01:05different horizontal than I am that's

0:01:07right

0:01:07latitude what does that do to your day I

0:01:11mean it's both right cuz I remember

0:01:13being in Portland and thinking their

0:01:14time feels different here it is

0:01:16different yeah and the summertime the

0:01:18Sun doesn't go down until like almost

0:01:2110:00 but in the winter especially after

0:01:25the after the the daylight savings time

0:01:28comes in the Sun Goes Down at 4:00 yeah

0:01:32and so that's too early John that's

0:01:35right it's the worst and there's no

0:01:36reason for daylight savings time up here

0:01:38it doesn't it all it does is is pummel

0:01:41us nobody cares if it's like light at

0:01:46give your family more time to collect

0:01:48their potatoes yeah yes so so appalling

0:01:52it's like when you get home from work

0:01:53it's already dark when you get home from

0:01:56school it's like already dark there's no

0:01:58daylight that is hard on my lady friend

0:02:00man she works for a living

0:02:01it sucks to leave work while the Sun is

0:02:03setting is gross it's terrible well you

0:02:06know what I was growing up in the winter

0:02:09you never saw the Sun I had a classroom

0:02:11my fifth and sixth grade classroom was

0:02:13in a converted locker room because the

0:02:17hotter the school my elementary school

0:02:21had been a Catholic school like a

0:02:24private school and somehow the city

0:02:26absorbed it but there but it wasn't

0:02:29quite big enough to to accommodate all

0:02:33the students and so they and also there

0:02:35weren't

0:02:36locker rooms because it was an

0:02:37elementary school now instead of I mean

0:02:39I think it was a Catholic junior high or

0:02:42something okay so they turned the locker

0:02:44room into a into a class and it was

0:02:49great in there it was like this it was

0:02:51like this little it wasn't little it was

0:02:54big but it was all carpeted they had

0:02:56carpeted the floors I think they'd

0:02:58carpeted like they put carpet on

0:03:01everything they could and it just felt

0:03:02like a little womb in there but the

0:03:04problem is you would go in in the

0:03:06morning and it would be dark and you

0:03:08would come out at night and it would be

0:03:09dark and it was like you just I mean I

0:03:13guess on sunny days they would they

0:03:15would give us recess and we'd go outside

0:03:16and get a little Sun but there were

0:03:20windows right so you couldn't look out

0:03:21and even see no good that's good body

0:03:25clock it does but it was like living

0:03:27inside of a beanbag chair I'm talking

0:03:30about it I kind of miss it I would take

0:03:31it go back to my fifth grade class and

0:03:34just curl up in the corner and read

0:03:36watership down a Sat book you left alone

0:03:39it is a sad book huh

0:03:41it is that book um I want to circle back

0:03:44to your sleep because I I'm not up to

0:03:46date on your other program but I'd like

0:03:47to hear about your sleep I'm just saying

0:03:48I've talked about this too much lately

0:03:50so I'm just gonna say this I'm uh I have

0:03:52feelings about time and I have a lot of

0:03:55feelings about time and keeps on tickin

0:03:57and yeah I my thought on this is just

0:04:03pick one just pick one good time I mean

0:04:06if we're gonna do daylight saving time

0:04:08let's do that all the time if we do the

0:04:10other one let's do the other one but

0:04:11let's just do one and stick with it it's

0:04:13the change is you have a kid now that's

0:04:16old enough that you're probably facing

0:04:18this when daylight saving time starts it

0:04:21feels criminal to a child

0:04:23mm-hmm it's not even near sunset you're

0:04:26supposed to go to bed while the Sun is

0:04:28still visible in the sky I will farm

0:04:31people no thanks Marcia are we what what

0:04:34what is happening we need to just get

0:04:36one in and stick with it I think that

0:04:38Jim I have a lot of other feelings but

0:04:39just for the purposes of this program I

0:04:41just want to say let's not

0:04:42overcomplicate this it seems like

0:04:44daylight savings time

0:04:46and the electoral college gam starting a

0:04:50list are the same right they're both

0:04:53things that we need to eliminate but

0:04:56there's a lot of investment in it that

0:05:00no you know it's like the sunk cost

0:05:01fallacy nobody really cares what we've

0:05:04invested in them like it's not it's not

0:05:06like it's not like it would cost us

0:05:10really any money we just were just

0:05:12emotionally invested in these dumb ideas

0:05:15that are and also like the electro

0:05:17college is getting worse the time thing

0:05:19sucks but it's always sucked mostly the

0:05:20same the electro college problem is

0:05:22getting worse yeah but there's no you

0:05:25know that's not like the it's not like

0:05:27the people in power presently are going

0:05:29to do anything about I know I know but

0:05:30as more people move to cities and as

0:05:32collections of various political parties

0:05:34tend to get more kind of collect or pool

0:05:38down to these same areas I mean come on

0:05:41Montana really it's awful so but what do

0:05:44we do it's another example of of what

0:05:47what of a situation where they just need

0:05:50to give us the keys let's that

0:05:51do-nothing Congress Congress keeps

0:05:55changing or changing our clock the

0:05:58government wasn't it Arizona that

0:06:00decided in their in their way the path

0:06:03they passed a referendum where they

0:06:05wouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King

0:06:06Day and also they wouldn't go on

0:06:08daylight savings yeah oh yeah and is

0:06:11that still true is it still the one

0:06:13state that won't switch over hip-hop

0:06:16songs about that I feel like and I'm

0:06:18pretty sure that Arizona is still off

0:06:21the daylight saving time but you know

0:06:26there's videos you can watch about this

0:06:27that are that will that will make you

0:06:28extra super mad because there are there

0:06:30are areas where like to two different

0:06:32sides of the street you know are like in

0:06:34different times there's stuff it's just

0:06:36bananas oh I'm so mad already

0:06:38yeah that's I'm so mad I'm so mad you

0:06:40know that's like splitting families

0:06:42apart it's like kind of temporal Civil

0:06:45War yeah that's right that's exactly

0:06:47what it is one side over here the other

0:06:49side over here it's got no soup yeah and

0:06:51the brother against brother but the

0:06:52other one doesn't find out for an hour

0:06:54it's just like in East Germany I

0:06:56remember seeing after they took the wall

0:06:59down there were all

0:07:00these situations where it I guess when

0:07:03the wall was there it was maybe less

0:07:06clear because there was a giant wall but

0:07:11when the wall went down you realized how

0:07:13many places came out in the countryside

0:07:15that they'd that just like in Berlin

0:07:18they ran this wall down the middle of

0:07:20the street and there was a house over

0:07:22here and there was a house over there

0:07:24and all of a sudden there was a no-man's

0:07:26land between them where they had been

0:07:29like neighbors where you could call from

0:07:32the porch and like your Leahy who that's

0:07:36that's so arbitrary it's like a tornado

0:07:37you know you just it's ridiculous right

0:07:40it's crazy it's crazy and and you you

0:07:42can stand in those places now and just

0:07:43be like wait a minute wait a minute wait

0:07:45wait these were two separate countries

0:07:46before like like really it's across the

0:07:49street what else goes on the list I've

0:07:51got don't talk about your sleep I got

0:07:52daylight saving time I got the electoral

0:07:54college are there other things that were

0:07:56once a good idea for a reason that are

0:07:58sticking around in a way that's that's

0:08:01perhaps harming us more than helping us

0:08:03hmm that's a good question

0:08:05yeah we'll think on it I got I got a

0:08:07list start it if you think of anything

0:08:08well you know I'm thinking I'm I'm

0:08:10thinking about that stuff all the time

0:08:13you know I usually usually think about

0:08:15it in terms of like top-down

0:08:18organization rather than bottom-up

0:08:20organization mmm-hmm

0:08:22I mean there are ones that are just like

0:08:24bees in my bonnet you take like

0:08:25something like a fax machine where it's

0:08:28almost like like anthrax or polio or

0:08:30something we're like as long as any of

0:08:32them are still out there we might get a

0:08:33fax or need to get a fax they need to be

0:08:35eradicated think we need to just say as

0:08:37a people we were not going to use this

0:08:39it lets served a very important purpose

0:08:41but there are so many better ways to do

0:08:44that at this point unless met with fax

0:08:45machines on the list yeah please do you

0:08:47know until very recently only it feels

0:08:50like only a year ago even I was still

0:08:53getting emails from people saying well

0:08:56just fax just print this out sign it and

0:08:59fax it back to me and I always refused

0:09:03to do it

0:09:03and there were a lot of well

0:09:13yeah it's been like oh no you DocuSign

0:09:16but I do a lot of my business on my

0:09:19phone and a lot of those apps are badly

0:09:21well I don't have to tell you about an

0:09:24app that's badly you said this to people

0:09:27in positions of power or basically if

0:09:29you can't do it on your phone you're not

0:09:30gonna do it right and I said I said to a

0:09:33guy the other day he was like well just

0:09:35send me an invoice for that and I said

0:09:36you and I've been doing business for 22

0:09:38years uh-huh do you need me to fucking

0:09:41send you an invoice are you serious are

0:09:43you serious right now

0:09:44you need an invoice from me legging

0:09:46write it out on a piece of paper and

0:09:48sign my name to it you know I don't give

0:09:50a shit but what world are we living in

0:09:52they use yeah I need to send you an

0:09:54input Britney's for a system probably

0:09:56sky Sesenta the thing is I sent him one

0:09:58he's like oh I can't open that because I

0:10:01because I did it in pages because I

0:10:04don't have word I don't know I don't

0:10:07know man I don't know send a text file

0:10:10it says send me $200 motherfucker right

0:10:13so don't make it a check I'm putting

0:10:14checks on a list so he says oh well if I

0:10:17was the business I can't send it to you

0:10:19because I'm not the business manager if

0:10:21I was the business manager I'd do it and

0:10:23I'm like you're the manager what do you

0:10:26mean business you're doing with the

0:10:28manager manager you're the manager

0:10:30manager you telling me that the business

0:10:32manager has got some system that you are

0:10:35like yes ma'am Trump won but DocuSign

0:10:49and I know this is not a plug but

0:10:56DocuSign in the last nine months let's

0:11:00say has finally gotten to a point where

0:11:04more than 60% of the time I use it I

0:11:07don't fling my phone across the room and

0:11:10scream well that's that's nice to hear

0:11:11yeah so I just signed a contract a few

0:11:13days ago I signed it on DocuSign and and

0:11:16it was one of those I think some we

0:11:18crossed some line where these apps now

0:11:22are starting to say like ah you've been

0:11:26here

0:11:27or yes I like like square when you when

0:11:32you when you go to a shop and you use

0:11:34your credit card on this way it no

0:11:37longer in most cases is confused by who

0:11:41you are and wants you to put your email

0:11:42address in right if I've used a credit

0:11:44card on square now I get a receipt in

0:11:46them yeah it just has decide it's

0:11:50figured it out it's figured out for the

0:11:52most part there are still some places

0:11:53that are like where they were the person

0:11:55behind the counter says would you like a

0:11:56receipt would you like a receipt and I'm

0:11:58like yes I always want to receipt and

0:12:00they're like they turn the thing around

0:12:01they're like just put in your email

0:12:02address I'm like I would rather give you

0:12:06a pint of blood and stand here and put

0:12:11my email address and for my blood

0:12:15you know what you're gonna get before

0:12:17you get a email address I want you to

0:12:19fax me the receipt yeah I want you to

0:12:21fax it between two slices of bread

0:12:23melons you want you to put it between

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0:15:07shows well okay here's the thing I don't

0:15:11go on about checks but you know the

0:15:13thing is a check made sense at a time

0:15:15when you hmm

0:15:16the Czech people oh no sorry now I'm not

0:15:19talking about the metal the metal is no

0:15:21but like in a time when most of us were

0:15:23using American green currency and coins

0:15:26to pay for things checks made a lot of

0:15:28sense so like if you want to get your

0:15:29sea-monkeys right you might you might

0:15:32send a senate check or what a check or

0:15:34your rent because it doesn't make sense

0:15:35sense to send your $200 rent check or to

0:15:38send your $200 in cash in the mail look

0:15:41you don't want to do that no and so you

0:15:43say please accept this little piece of

0:15:44paper with my signature that's going on

0:15:47the list with my signature on it so you

0:15:48know it's me and then my bank will give

0:15:50you this much money if it's in them it

0:15:53made a lot of sense but now

0:15:54doing that so much now people especially

0:15:56the millenniums the millenniums don't

0:15:58even understand what cash is anymore by

0:16:03some Altoids and the user leaves their

0:16:05chip card yeah

0:16:06that's why I keep I keep paying

0:16:08millenniums for things in in Canadian

0:16:11currency because they don't know the

0:16:12difference I'm like here you go this is

0:16:13two loonies and a toonie and they're

0:16:17like thanks thanks man priests process

0:16:20is real gold

0:16:21that's a Canadian doubloon blooney a

0:16:25doubloon e huh yeah they they put it up

0:16:29into their mouths and they they bite on

0:16:30it because they've seen Olympians do

0:16:32that with their gold medal our

0:16:33prospectors counterfeit money I learned

0:16:40from prospectors I actually still get a

0:16:44book of checks oh I think I know because

0:16:48I pay people that come around oh sure

0:16:52my psalm wouldn't turn down a check I

0:16:54bet no no in fact they paid him with a

0:16:56check I pay people that come around I

0:17:00like to have every kind of financial

0:17:01instruments available because there are

0:17:03a lot of people that I do business with

0:17:05the don't they don't trust the banks do

0:17:06you want a German bearer bond yeah

0:17:09that's right that's right and the way I

0:17:11get them is that I shut down the entire

0:17:14electrical grid mmm

0:17:16ladies and gentlemen I give you the

0:17:18f-b-i smell that coffee they pack them

0:17:21with coffee but I just I just found out

0:17:25the other day because you know that I

0:17:28don't like to sit and yell at companies

0:17:31or corporation you know that's not gonna

0:17:34happen I don't like to do it but

0:17:36recently Chase Bank some kind of a

0:17:47problem and Jesus was now in your bed

0:17:49box yeah there's a problem we've written

0:17:53a thousand word letter to them to the

0:17:55States Attorney General so so you know a

0:18:01letter was drafted a minute went out and

0:18:03we edited it down

0:18:05and now it's ready to send cowboy the

0:18:07States Attorney General is gonna hear

0:18:09about it when I was growing up we always

0:18:12used the National Bank of Alaska and

0:18:14there were a lot of there was the bank

0:18:17it's a National Bank

0:18:18well the National Bank of Alaska it's

0:18:21the bank of the nation of Alaska okay

0:18:24when my dad worked for the Alaska

0:18:25Railroad we used the Alaska Railroad

0:18:27employees Federal Credit Union and that

0:18:31was my first book of checks and when my

0:18:34and that was like 12 years old my dad

0:18:36was like I'm getting you a checking

0:18:38account and I was like oh my god I'm so

0:18:40big I could almost drive and they let me

0:18:44pick out the kind of checks I wanted and

0:18:46of course I got the ones with the

0:18:49Western theme that looked like old

0:18:51parchment and my checkbook looked like

0:18:55hand tooled leather that's a good look

0:18:57that's a really good look it's really

0:18:59impressed by it and so because I wanted

0:19:01to be prepared I went through and I

0:19:04signed every check in advance so I

0:19:05didn't have to worry about doing it a

0:19:12hand-tooled leather book of checks a

0:19:16blank side checked in

0:19:19that was my first experience before that

0:19:22my bank account that I had down here in

0:19:25Seattle when I was a kid you know I had

0:19:26a bank book they not only millenniums

0:19:30one book yeah but even like Generation Y

0:19:33won't understand what that is but they

0:19:35give you a password a book like a pass

0:19:37it was and it was like a little ledger

0:19:39yeah and every time you made a deposit

0:19:41they would like write it in this book

0:19:44and and and every time you you admit it

0:19:47withdrawn so you could keep this little

0:19:49book oh my god I pored over this little

0:19:53book you know because every every time

0:19:55somebody would give me 25 cents I would

0:19:57put it in a shoebox then when I got up

0:19:59enough money that it was worth a trip to

0:20:01the bank I would carry my shoebox in to

0:20:03the bank and give them and open the lid

0:20:06and say like here I made a dollar doing

0:20:08this and I mowed the lawn for six weeks

0:20:11and let's say say that there's a lot of

0:20:12people in life

0:20:15they loved kids because everyone had all

0:20:17the time in the world but that's true

0:20:19that's true

0:20:20you can't there be 16 people at windows

0:20:22yeah right and the carpets on the floor

0:20:25and they were giving away toasters going

0:20:27to the baby I got my first digital clock

0:20:29radio came from a bank bank right first

0:20:33Supertramp was on a bank radio really oh

0:20:36the rig wasn't at the bank no no I had

0:20:38to take it home plug in and take out the

0:20:40box and whatnot yeah but National Bank

0:20:42it wasn't a real digital clock it was

0:20:44one of the ones that flipped away

0:20:45couldja flipper Chuck I was at a thrift

0:20:49store the other day and I saw one of

0:20:50those and it was the same one that I'd

0:20:53had as a kid and I I was walking through

0:20:55the shelves you know looking at all the

0:20:56crap and I saw this thing from afar and

0:20:59just had that like that bursts of

0:21:02familiarity of like what the hell is

0:21:04that like there I've seen a billion

0:21:07clocks at thrift stores why am I having

0:21:09this reaction I walked over to it and it

0:21:11was like yeah oh the but this is the

0:21:14button that I would every morning hit

0:21:17hoping that I would the alarm would stop

0:21:20bringing in that I would never have to

0:21:21go to school again speaking of sleep the

0:21:28one that I had when I was probably at my

0:21:31nearly most sleep-deprived I want to say

0:21:33around eighth grade it we had a real

0:21:35nice feature if you're having trouble

0:21:37sleeping you can get sleep at night and

0:21:39you know what I do before the minute

0:21:42card flipped you behind a little bit

0:21:45just a little bit of like pumped up I

0:21:50guess it's 12:03 now Oh back with bings

0:22:02word things Oh things were just things

0:22:05it was so simple then these were things

0:22:07clocks were clocks well I hope you'll

0:22:09follow up and you know get a response to

0:22:11the letter oh well so anyway this is bad

0:22:16OPSEC for even talking about banking

0:22:17things but since you're walking out the

0:22:19door I guess you're free to talk about

0:22:20it yeah no it's good that so so

0:22:22Washington Mutual I got my first washing

0:22:25mutual account really early on in

0:22:2791 because I tried to use US Bank and US

0:22:32Bank had this program that they were

0:22:33really excited about they touted this

0:22:35program called overdraft protection

0:22:38where if you if you wrote a check and

0:22:41you didn't have enough money to cover it

0:22:42they would cover it

0:22:43it was overdraft protection that's

0:22:45imagine I was like I was like that's

0:22:47gonna be great you guys cover it

0:22:49fantastic alright and then I made the

0:22:52natural assumption that when you then

0:22:54put more money in the bank they paid

0:22:56themselves and whatever little charge

0:23:00they had and and everybody was good but

0:23:05in fact what overdraft protection was

0:23:07was the a paid your debt and took the

0:23:11amount that they'd paid and put it in a

0:23:13separate account because they were loan

0:23:15it was alone oh that's how they get you

0:23:19yeah and so then I would make my deposit

0:23:21of my paycheck and burp interpreter

0:23:24Merilee on my way well one day I went

0:23:26into the bank and they were like you're

0:23:28$500

0:23:29you have $500 in your overdraft

0:23:31protection account and it's accruing at

0:23:3524 percent interest or something like

0:23:37this and some banker told this to me and

0:23:39I was like what are you talking about

0:23:41because each one of these $20 checks

0:23:44that had that had would that would have

0:23:47bounced oh it's accruing toward them

0:23:49were them oh that's that's the wrong

0:23:51kind of accrual right and they had not

0:23:53it was not clear and they were like oh

0:23:55well if you'd read the fine print on the

0:23:57thing that you signed it was one of

0:23:58those if you'd read the fine print

0:23:59things and so at the time I was pretty

0:24:02young I didn't fully understand the

0:24:06repercussions of everything that I did

0:24:07and I said I am closing my account good

0:24:11day sir

0:24:11and that set in motion a situation where

0:24:16I was getting phone calls in an attempt

0:24:20to collect a debt and any information

0:24:22will be used by Miranda uniforms for

0:24:26spor eleven more years so ye every time

0:24:29every time I had a house phone mr.

0:24:33Roderick

0:24:34does it make you feel like a big man not

0:24:35to pay your bills but anyway I went to

0:24:40Washington Mutual I loved my

0:24:41relationship with them they were right

0:24:43there on Broadway I remember them being

0:24:45in Florida it was they were they became

0:24:48a big bank but they were originally a

0:24:49local bank

0:24:50I had a count number that when I would

0:24:53when I would go up to the teller and

0:24:55they would read my account number they'd

0:24:56say oh wow you've been here a long time

0:24:58this is the old style of account number

0:25:00and I always took a lot of pride in that

0:25:02you know I like I like to have an old

0:25:04style account number and then they got

0:25:06too big for their britches they screwed

0:25:08up they they became a big behemoth and

0:25:14they fell apart well they lost a little

0:25:18bit that personal touch

0:25:19you really did they really did and they

0:25:21also lost like several tens of billions

0:25:24of dollars yeah and then they were

0:25:26absorbed by Chase Bank a faceless New

0:25:28York banking enterprise and and largely

0:25:31it was because of my old account number

0:25:34my mind now like account number that

0:25:38predated five different iterations of of

0:25:40the bank but I just hung in there I was

0:25:44like all right I'm gonna hang in there

0:25:47you know because I've got this account

0:25:48number that starts with zero five nine

0:25:49or something which you know which it's

0:25:54it's hard for me to you know when I call

0:25:55triple-a and they're like thank you for

0:25:57being a member since 1997 I'm like you

0:25:59goddamn right uh-huh

0:26:00you goddamn right triple-a you provide a

0:26:02good service even though you're even

0:26:04there customer service is about 50/50

0:26:06yeah anyway Chase Bank has started they

0:26:14wanted us to use their take a picture of

0:26:16the check in a little little deposit

0:26:17nothing yeah but in the last year they

0:26:22have disappeared three separate checks

0:26:26know where they they said your check has

0:26:30been deposited here's your number you

0:26:32know here's a transaction up and they

0:26:35sent the people who whose check it was a

0:26:38canceled like canceled check the back X

0:26:43Emily but did not deposit the money

0:26:48that's that feels like I don't want to

0:26:51talk out of school here that feels like

0:26:52a a failure at a fairly fundamental

0:26:55level for what one considers a

0:26:57professional bank for what a bank is

0:26:59being asked for what we still actually

0:27:02need a god damned bank to do that's

0:27:05right and so they're like hey early

0:27:08adopter grab on this technology where

0:27:10you just take a picture with a jack why

0:27:15do we do it's like when you go on do on

0:27:21an app and they're like oh just put your

0:27:23phone over your credit card and we'll

0:27:25scan it and then it'll be in your

0:27:27account and you sit there with your

0:27:28phone trying to square up the credit

0:27:30card like a minute and yeah you know I

0:27:32could have just put the number in by now

0:27:34anyway so we so it was my bookkeeper who

0:27:39discovered this my bookkeeper who said

0:27:43wait a minute

0:27:43there's like five thousand dollars

0:27:46missing that's a lot of money John it's

0:27:48a lot of money so we called them we

0:27:49called their customer service operation

0:27:51which was in Bangalore right next to

0:27:54where they make the torpedoes okay and

0:27:57we talked to some people who they were

0:27:59able to resolve it very quickly I

0:28:01imagine ultimately what they said was

0:28:03that a banking relationship between a

0:28:06bank and a customer is a relationship

0:28:10that requires some mutual effort in the

0:28:16sense that the bank can take your money

0:28:19and give you a number for the exchange

0:28:23but then it's really the onus is on the

0:28:26customer to make sure that the money was

0:28:30there oh you fucked up this is what

0:28:32they're saying by not being sure you

0:28:35didn't follow up follow up make sure the

0:28:38cheque went through is that what

0:28:39happened yeah I didn't check the bank's

0:28:41work and that was part of our mutual

0:28:44obligations one I'll see now you know

0:28:45yeah the bank takes my money and get and

0:28:49tells me that it's fine but then I have

0:28:51to make sure mmm

0:28:53so that precipitated well that really

0:28:57really kind of like if you think about

0:28:59what is it bad

0:29:00actually good for I mean one of the

0:29:01obvious things is like okay they got a

0:29:03pretty secure facility if you want to

0:29:05put your deed in a safe-deposit box you

0:29:08would do that if somebody sends you a

0:29:09piece of paper that says it's worth

0:29:10$5,000 they'll take care of that what

0:29:13they said then you know you should

0:29:14really be checking in on that box you

0:29:18should pop in once in a while make sure

0:29:19that deed is still there the way you

0:29:21left it

0:29:21yeah make sure that the that we didn't

0:29:23like break it open with a crowbar

0:29:25I thought you pushed it our relationship

0:29:27so believe you me my bookkeeper really

0:29:31had a lot to say on this matter and

0:29:35wrote she tends to write very long

0:29:37letters and then my job is to you know

0:29:41punch him up a little bit make make him

0:29:43a little bit tighter tighter anyway

0:29:46she's going to the state's attorney

0:29:47general but in any joke a but you're the

0:29:48manager in that case yeah but we have so

0:29:51we're now switching our bank and I and I

0:29:54this is another Bank I've had a long

0:29:56relationship with it because this was

0:29:57the bank where I did the banking for the

0:29:59Roderick group right and what I had

0:30:02realized I didn't know this I guess

0:30:05because I had registered several aliases

0:30:07at that Bank because I was in a phase

0:30:10then before I started before I really

0:30:13started taking by the kitchen if you

0:30:19have the option of registering an alias

0:30:22I would I would do it out the door what

0:30:32I did and didn't even realize I done is

0:30:35that you can write me a check you can

0:30:39write a check to hashtag supertrain and

0:30:41I can catch I can cash it please someone

0:30:44do this and I don't know why like four

0:30:49years Wow if somebody's like oh yeah I

0:30:52can write you a check just say like yeah

0:30:55make it a hashtag supertrain I can do

0:30:57that Wow what is that ever seen I could

0:31:00see that screwing up the system because

0:31:02that's got a special character in it

0:31:03well it does and I'm and I'm not sure

0:31:06either

0:31:07about whether or not the hashtag is just

0:31:10for fun

0:31:11I see but to accuse about this heat now

0:31:15well and I and I actually I sent an

0:31:17email to my banker and I was like can I

0:31:19really do this and then I realized wait

0:31:21a minute I can get checks made that say

0:31:24hashtag super training oh my god

0:31:27I could get a platinum business card

0:31:29that says hashtag super train on it oh

0:31:31my god

0:31:32and if it was one of those new ones

0:31:34where the numbers just like kind of

0:31:36itched on the back that would look so

0:31:38badass it's super bad I'm okay for this

0:31:41bounce on super train it's also also I

0:31:43can get checks written to all the great

0:31:45shows oh my like I don't even remember

0:31:49doing this I must have been in an

0:31:51absolute fugue state and I think at what

0:31:54I did at the time I was very busy I

0:31:57think even my banker offered me the

0:31:59option of getting checks made with with

0:32:02a stencil picture like a like a clipart

0:32:05picture of a GMC RV on them and I guess

0:32:08I I guess I maybe forgot to give him the

0:32:12go-ahead on that now I'm kind of now i

0:32:14partly regret it and partly am kind of

0:32:17fine with it but I don't have this so

0:32:22you're moving thanks that's good it

0:32:25feels like a good step but now you're

0:32:27gonna feel like you need to ride that

0:32:28like if you do the I mean that's a

0:32:30pretty common thing now you take a photo

0:32:31of a check yeah like you feel like you

0:32:33need with your new bank or your new old

0:32:35thank you super training bank you still

0:32:36feel like you need to kind of ride that

0:32:37and monitor the relationship well it's

0:32:40interesting because when I was at

0:32:44Washington Mutual I didn't have enough

0:32:46money coming and going that I had a

0:32:48banker but I knew the tellers you know

0:32:52I'd go in there and like hey cuz I it

0:32:55was like the old style of banking those

0:32:58people worked there for a long time and

0:33:00you would go to posit your paycheck all

0:33:04the time you would he'd go in there and

0:33:07it was two blocks from where I work and

0:33:08it was like part of your day go to the

0:33:10bank that was part of the ritual like go

0:33:13to the butcher shop go to the bank there

0:33:15was like this is this certain like these

0:33:16at least weekly errands that I was

0:33:19compelled to attend as a kid that were

0:33:21just like part of life go to the post

0:33:23office yeah

0:33:24right oh stop aside fire 13 cent stamps

0:33:27most of his bank hardware store or

0:33:30grocery store that was back when I

0:33:33carried a little laminated card in my

0:33:35wallet where I'd written down the phone

0:33:36numbers of everyone I knew in tiny tiny

0:33:39tiny little letters i smart then I

0:33:41laminated it with scotch tape or with

0:33:44packing tape it was like a piece of

0:33:46paper and I would put packing tape over

0:33:48you know this is we still had the

0:33:51specter of nuclear war hanging over our

0:33:52head we had to be ready to jump into a

0:33:53bunker at any time oh I'm reading a book

0:33:56right now about the United States

0:34:00government's like the basically the cold

0:34:03war strategy for continuity of

0:34:07government and I'm the hole like where

0:34:11the plan started during the Truman

0:34:13administration like wait a minute

0:34:14if the Russians were to drop a bomb on

0:34:18the White House do we have a plan right

0:34:22for that and the answer was no why would

0:34:25we never had a plan like like like the

0:34:28first I think that somewhere in the book

0:34:30is a story like the first day of Harry

0:34:33Truman's presidency after FDR died

0:34:37they're like you're the president now

0:34:38and he was like great I'm going to the

0:34:40bank and he walked out the door of the

0:34:43White House and started walking to the

0:34:45bank where he had where he did his

0:34:47banking and and the Secret Service was

0:34:52like chasing after him and they shut

0:34:53down the street and suddenly all of

0:34:55Washington DC is like paralyzed because

0:34:58the president like snuck out a side door

0:35:01and went to the bank and didn't realize

0:35:05or didn't factor in that he couldn't do

0:35:08that he was already vice president how'd

0:35:10he not know that but as vice president

0:35:12in 19 in the 45 but like in the 40s like

0:35:18just because he wasn't he wasn't FDR's

0:35:20vice president until that that final

0:35:23term right until 40 44 44 and up until

0:35:28that point you know he'd been a senator

0:35:29in it so wait a minute if he was elected

0:35:31in 44 he came in January 45 so he'd only

0:35:34been that was April when Roosevelt

0:35:37thought it

0:35:38he was he was vice president for two

0:35:39months oh my goodness and then it's like

0:35:42oh you're the president now I if I knew

0:35:44that I forgot it that's super

0:35:45interesting it's really interesting and

0:35:47I think the story is that he can't that

0:35:51he got a message like Harry come over to

0:35:53the White House we need to talk to you

0:35:55and he said huh that's weird

0:35:57I've only seen the president twice since

0:36:01the election I wonder why I wonder what

0:36:04they want and he walked over to the

0:36:06White House and Eleanor Roosevelt was

0:36:07waiting for him oh my goodness

0:36:09and she was like Harry you're the

0:36:10president now and he's like shit I gotta

0:36:13go to the bank until the middle of the

0:36:25war there was no Secret Service

0:36:26protection for the vice president they

0:36:28didn't think it was necessary who would

0:36:30bother so he just walked around and then

0:36:33I think it was then they realized oh

0:36:35wait a minute he's the next in line and

0:36:38FDR could die any day we'd better put

0:36:41we'd better give him two agents you know

0:36:43to kind of make sure he doesn't get lost

0:36:45and and and Truman there's more like

0:36:48minders yeah and he was like get off me

0:36:50you know you get out of here kid you're

0:36:52bugging me but then he realized oh you

0:36:55can't do that anymore Harry you're the

0:36:56president but so this book yeah it's

0:36:59about all of the secret you know grass

0:37:03gradually and I I didn't know this

0:37:05either but there was a whole period in

0:37:07the late 40s early 50s where

0:37:09conventional wisdom in the United States

0:37:12seemed to be that our future as a

0:37:15country was going to involve us

0:37:18basically moving our industry

0:37:20underground because of the threat of

0:37:23nuclear war yeah yeah so that a

0:37:27seemingly survivable nuclear war that

0:37:29will let us continue to have milling

0:37:31machines underground for perpetuity

0:37:32that's right so they so government

0:37:35agents went around and did an enormous

0:37:37survey of all the caves in the United

0:37:40States and they were like well let's see

0:37:43if we just requisition all these caves

0:37:45if we eminent domain all these caves and

0:37:47we build like

0:37:50General Mills I guess it's real this is

0:37:53real dr. Strangelove in the mineshaft

0:37:55gap was not so far off no no no they

0:37:58were it was it was it there was a period

0:38:01there and I think it was I think

0:38:04depending on who you were talking to if

0:38:06the period was either long or short I

0:38:08think a lot of people in government who

0:38:10had actually seen the pictures of her

0:38:12Oshima were like oh wait a minute this

0:38:15is a lot worse than we thought there's

0:38:17nobody there's no surviving this yeah

0:38:19but they didn't really they didn't

0:38:21disseminate that to everybody and so

0:38:23there were a lot of people running

0:38:24around like well you know not just

0:38:28building bomb shelters but but but

0:38:31really envisioning that the entire

0:38:33country was going to move out from the

0:38:36cities get out of the center so that we

0:38:38weren't as easy a target and sort of you

0:38:42know like disseminate our business and

0:38:45and and manufacturing sort of out into

0:38:50the out into the woods the United States

0:38:52basically becomes a series of Horcruxes

0:38:54so we distribute everything and I've

0:38:59seen that that movie where they were

0:39:00sunglasses when they're watching Bikini

0:39:02Atoll we should be pretty good to go we

0:39:03dig a hole be hard it's three into

0:39:07Oklahoma and everything will be fine

0:39:09yeah there were actually real estate

0:39:11advertisements at the time for houses in

0:39:14upstate New York and southern Virginia

0:39:16that we're like you know this is a

0:39:18beautiful farm it's well outside the

0:39:20blast zone oh my god was this also run

0:39:23so I mean I there's gosh there's been so

0:39:25much presidential stuff floating around

0:39:26about just boy laws work like when did

0:39:29it is it officially like a law a rule

0:39:32policy for example that the President

0:39:34and Vice President don't fly together

0:39:36isn't that a thing so this happened

0:39:39circus it's that era is this was that

0:39:41era okay yeah that that that they

0:39:44realized that the this is when they

0:39:47developed those elaborate hierarchies

0:39:50where you know I mean it's on it I think

0:39:53it had always been that the that the

0:39:56Speaker of the House ascended to the

0:39:58presidency if you know that the

0:40:00President and the Vice President were

0:40:01finally codified like when interior

0:40:03comes into the picture yeah and this

0:40:04went all the way down to eventually what

0:40:07happened was if the Secretary of

0:40:09Interior dies there the guy that's

0:40:13running the Tennessee Valley Authority

0:40:15is next in line to become Secretary of

0:40:19the Interior in the future

0:40:22administration post apocalypse and

0:40:25somewhere down the line there there's

0:40:27like there's a list of succession that's

0:40:32like 60 people deep like that's insane

0:40:35like the mayor of Skokie Illinois

0:40:38becomes the President of the United

0:40:40States at some point if the 75 people

0:40:44ahead of him in line are at we're all

0:40:46vaporized and every single cabinet

0:40:51member also has this train of potential

0:40:54successors and in situations where the

0:40:57US gets on a real war footing all of

0:41:00those people know they're on that list

0:41:02and they get some like like like some

0:41:07telegram activating this like DEFCON 1

0:41:13thing that it actually has a name like

0:41:15that like like con-com when when this

0:41:19set of conditions occurs this plan goes

0:41:24into action the word goes out we're now

0:41:25in space White House mode right and some

0:41:29of those people the Tennessee Valley

0:41:31Authority person or the person that is

0:41:33in charge of the Grand Coulee Dam like a

0:41:37federal agent or someone else empowered

0:41:40to do this shows up and becomes that

0:41:42person's bodyguard like we need to

0:41:45protect you sir like don't you can't go

0:41:48to the bank today because you are a

0:41:51forty second in line to be the Secretary

0:41:54of Housing in human welfare or whatever

0:41:58yeah so and so as the 50s wore on the

0:42:04government became less and less

0:42:06convinced and then less and less

0:42:07interested in this project of putting

0:42:11the American all of the American people

0:42:13underground and all of our industry they

0:42:15were like you know what

0:42:16this isn't gonna work this is really

0:42:18something very scalable no like Carl's

0:42:20brought the bad Canyon's we could put

0:42:23like it off you pretty I think it cave

0:42:26is pretty moist John it's how its moist

0:42:28it's disgusting it's dark it's there's

0:42:31not much parking no and where the where

0:42:34the potties where would you go where

0:42:35would you go out to smoke

0:42:36I'll think about that at the time that

0:42:39would have been a big issue not a huge

0:42:41issue what do you do you gonna go up the

0:42:42mine chef's you're gonna ride an

0:42:43elevator outside to have a but every 20

0:42:45minutes I'll tell you what I'll go up

0:42:46your mind chef's fifties but so the

0:42:50government did not abandon this project

0:42:52when it came to themselves so they so

0:42:57basically they as far as the American

0:42:59people were concerned the government was

0:43:00like let's do that civil defense thing

0:43:02where we show them a lot of like

0:43:03cartoons kids ducking and covering and

0:43:13hey that was the extent of the plant oh

0:43:16and they built the interstate highways I

0:43:17guess in the internet and well

0:43:19eventually I mean is that in the book

0:43:22but isn't that at least the lore that I

0:43:25always heard was that what we could

0:43:26consider the Internet today started as a

0:43:27DARPA project to be able to maintain

0:43:30continuity of communication and

0:43:33structure after some kind of a

0:43:35devastating event yes right and that

0:43:38whole problem that so I'm I'm not that

0:43:40deep into the book but that all came

0:43:43after they realized oh wait a minute

0:43:46how are we going to like how are we

0:43:49going to stay in contact with the

0:43:51Department of the Navy if everything

0:43:53blows up how are we going to stay in

0:43:54contact with General Mills how are we

0:43:56gonna get our Captain Crunch and little

0:43:58by little you know they he got a you got

0:44:01a field promotion he's a colonel now

0:44:02Colonel crunch he'd be the captain is

0:44:16like a colonel right he'd be Admiral

0:44:18crime this is confusing so you think a

0:44:20hot guy hot guys a captain with two bars

0:44:21in the army but I believe a captain in

0:44:24the Navy is like a

0:44:26colonel or yeah full yeah full fuller

0:44:30colonel that's right okay so come on

0:44:33he'd become a would he become a

0:44:34brigadier general he would become a rear

0:44:38end he'd become rear admiral car things

0:44:49but so they continued to build secret

0:44:53installations for government people to

0:44:56survive the war caves and and

0:44:59underground bunkers not just the one

0:45:02from war games but like all over every

0:45:04single state has an underground bunker

0:45:06for the government people to escape to

0:45:10and all these elaborate plans and they

0:45:13have they have secret laminated cards

0:45:15that have not only the numbers of all

0:45:17their friends written on them but also

0:45:19dr. Strangelove were written and

0:45:21directed by Wes Anderson yeah right you

0:45:24get walkie-talkies you get laminated

0:45:26cards you get cool uniforms oh I bet I

0:45:29bet those what what is it's that

0:45:31Terminator movie the third one where

0:45:33they find that that bunker in the

0:45:35mountain right isn't that the third time

0:45:37I don't acknowledge that movie but that

0:45:39sounds like it could be right so and

0:45:41they go in and and the whole thing is

0:45:44decorated super mid-century multum at

0:45:50bachelor pad right right it's like it's

0:45:54like it's like the Playboy Mansion

0:45:55except like hardened against the ground

0:45:58has a real grotto and does that come in

0:45:59it okay no but it has a lot of a lot of

0:46:02hanging moss that came from the sweat

0:46:04and cigarette smoke of all those people

0:46:06in there coughing there'd be in that

0:46:10cave that wet air those pall malls farts

0:46:21have you been recently to a hotel that

0:46:25has not been upgraded from from times of

0:46:30your well I feel like I got I think you

0:46:34told I told you my sad tale of woe where

0:46:35I got stuck in

0:46:37where was I anyway I recently got stuck

0:46:40somewhere my flight got canceled had to

0:46:41stay overnight and you know I'm a

0:46:42Marriott man they put me up in a

0:46:43Marriott and I think it was that rare

0:46:47thing where I was in this Marriott

0:46:48probably right at the end of the cycle

0:46:50where the furniture is a little

0:46:52oversized and like brown wood and stuff

0:46:55it hadn't gotten that light look that

0:46:57you see in most hotels today right yeah

0:46:59yeah yeah I mean it always strikes me

0:47:01how much especially given how many

0:47:03basically old like disused SROs get

0:47:06turned into hotels now like it's weird

0:47:08what gets attention and what gets

0:47:09upgraded but yeah most of them seem like

0:47:11they've gotten an upgrade in the last

0:47:1210-15 years but do you still get

0:47:14somewhere there's like also the one you

0:47:16were at in San Francisco where there's

0:47:17bits of carpeting that had been replaced

0:47:18because probably blood total it's that

0:47:21was a total SRO a classic a classic

0:47:24hotel that probably until recently

0:47:27sure-sure down to a shared bathroom

0:47:29right well the rooms had bathrooms and

0:47:33and looked like bathrooms that had been

0:47:35there a long time but but almost

0:47:38certainly almost certainly 25 years ago

0:47:42if you walk down the halls of those of

0:47:44those floors it would smell like fried

0:47:46fish because people had that is not a

0:47:58very friendly thing to fry in an SRO oh

0:48:01my goodness oh my gosh she's gonna cling

0:48:03to every fiber and it's not gonna it's

0:48:05gonna be like close to like a bait fish

0:48:07quality probably like a lightly saute

0:48:10column and I've looked in it enough in

0:48:20enough doorways at a guy in an

0:48:22undershirt you know when I was 22 or

0:48:33whatever I didn't realize that the world

0:48:36was gonna change yeah cuz this looked

0:48:38like what did it what I what it looked

0:48:41like in the 50s you know until then

0:48:42until the 90s there were still in babies

0:48:49[Music]

0:48:51but there were always like old guys in

0:48:53undershirts fryin fish on hot plates in

0:48:55single that would always be true I

0:49:00didn't realize that all those hotels

0:49:02would become a so tells and I just look

0:49:06at my phone trying to find where were we

0:49:08where were we when I met the guy from TV

0:49:12and we hung out and you got the nice

0:49:14room and I got the not nice room was

0:49:15that was that Portland guy from TV TV

0:49:19with the jaw I like James oh sure James

0:49:24Urbaniak I like that guy yeah that was

0:49:27the that was a classic hotel comedy but

0:49:51don't you be putting the bones down the

0:49:53sink that was the hotel room where I

0:49:56opened the door one time in there just a

0:49:59mystery well there was a single

0:50:01walkie-talkie lying in the center of the

0:50:03room I was like the beginning of an

0:50:05adventure and mine looked like I don't

0:50:08know like an updated version of the

0:50:09prisoner it was it was like it was a

0:50:11very very tidy cell yeah yeah put a TV

0:50:16in a hotel room John well because Lingus

0:50:21is that what it is like there's no place

0:50:23there's nope there's no drawers you can

0:50:24only hang your clothes basically you get

0:50:27throw pillows and kind of Lingus that's

0:50:28the whole thing right you go in there

0:50:29you're gonna wash your hands you might

0:50:31well sure you might want to brush your

0:50:32teeth but like is it because young

0:50:33people have so much sex they just want

0:50:35to get on the bed is that what it is cuz

0:50:36the bed is real central to the room no I

0:50:39think you come in you put yeah here's

0:50:41what you do you take your your dynamic

0:50:44abag you set it down you pull out your

0:50:46can of mustache wax cotton can of hair

0:50:50wax you can of eyebrow wax your hogs fat

0:50:53hair tonic you you untie your

0:50:56[Music]

0:51:01the next thing it's gonna be oh sheikh

0:51:04is good artisanal handcrafted

0:51:09bindle yeah you let your hair deal it's

0:51:13gonna be your source neckerchief tied

0:51:16around an artisanal responsibly sourced

0:51:20stick that's right that's right well

0:51:22yeah like a like like a renewable stick

0:51:26renewables it's gonna be like that a

0:51:28hardwood flooring site on NPR it's gonna

0:51:30be all recovered hobo sticks that's

0:51:32right holy sticks that they found in a

0:51:33pile at the big hobo mass it's like it

0:51:36reduce like you don't you don't make a

0:51:37didgeridoo you find a didgeridoo okay so

0:51:42you go in the room you're ready for some

0:51:43kind of Lingus you take out your bindle

0:51:44you got so here was the philosophy

0:51:47initially you remember initially you

0:51:50first heard of boutique hotels well and

0:51:55artisanal anything oh okay right we're

0:51:58going all the way back workers set the

0:51:59set the Wayback Machine to all the way

0:52:01back to the first time you heard the

0:52:04word artisanal bread okay right all

0:52:09right now hearing about we actually have

0:52:11a loaf in our refrigerator right now

0:52:13that says artisan bread then I think

0:52:15bread if memory serves is the first

0:52:17thing where I heard somebody use that

0:52:18where they didn't mean like you're an

0:52:19artisan making wagon wheels you're not a

0:52:21Cooper you're not a Fletcher right an

0:52:24artisan bread right okay I think the

0:52:28first time I don't remember the first

0:52:29time I heard the word art artisanal but

0:52:33I do

0:52:33well the first time I'm saying was from

0:52:35you but I think I think I've really

0:52:38given that one some legs you sure did

0:52:41yeah I think the first time you said it

0:52:44I had I had about 30 seconds of like

0:52:47very slow thinking where I was like what

0:52:59but but so I dated I dated a gal in the

0:53:0390s who was part of that whole I've told

0:53:05you about her who was part of that whole

0:53:06take find jeans in Montana for 50 cents

0:53:11bring them to Seattle fine

0:53:13like old jeans for 50 cents at thrift

0:53:17stores in Montana bring them to Seattle

0:53:18sell them to a broker from Japan for

0:53:22$1,500

0:53:23he will take those jeans to Japan and

0:53:27sell them for $15,000 really early on in

0:53:32this case pants minor she was and I know

0:53:36a guy who was a literal pants prospector

0:53:38and he made a fortune he bought himself

0:53:41a house just driving around Montana in

0:53:44that weird era where all these old guys

0:53:48were dying their old buckle back Levi's

0:53:51were going to the goodwill and and you

0:53:55could drive around and just go to good

0:53:56wills and just flip through stuff and be

0:53:58like oh check out these jeans they're

0:53:59worth $20,000 and I don't want to break

0:54:05the goof here how far off is that really

0:54:08how much were they were they charging

0:54:09for jeans in Japan like over $1,000

0:54:11sometimes up to five figures and you got

0:54:17some really authentic 60s made in the

0:54:20USA a Jefferson Airplane era Levi's in

0:54:23the right condition with the right

0:54:25what's called Hin gauging J jeans okay

0:54:28he gave you're gonna you're gonna be

0:54:29able to move that up to five figures I

0:54:31mean right now if you find a pair of of

0:54:36sixties biggie Levi's you can sell them

0:54:41online for good good money but there was

0:54:49there was a bubble in that market just

0:54:51like there was a time when when a 1959

0:54:57Les Paul I mean there were 59 Les Paul's

0:54:59that were selling for a million dollars

0:55:01that's not true oh I see bubble yes yes

0:55:04said you know what yes yes yes yes

0:55:06they're like a tulip type situation yeah

0:55:08so there was a while where it felt like

0:55:11so yeah right here I have a pair of

0:55:15vintage 50's biggie Levi's for $5,500 Oh

0:55:19jiminy on Etsy we've got let's see

0:55:26now those are from nineteen so this pair

0:55:28of jeans from 1987 is $250 like this

0:55:33world still exists there's a nice pair

0:55:37of vintage men's Levi's xx great

0:55:39acid-wash jeans mmm they're after $4.99

0:55:42so you can just pick those right up

0:55:43acid-wash jeans can you believe that 32

0:55:4636 that's a slender to kind of taller

0:55:48fella but there were these but but the

0:55:52even older Levi's the ones that had like

0:55:54a buckle in the back okay were were

0:56:00super prized among the the like fashion

0:56:03cognoscenti in Tokyo and and I don't

0:56:09think you can still get that kind of

0:56:10money but this friend of mine who did

0:56:12this work who drove around Montana he

0:56:14said I have my retirement and my like my

0:56:19escape bag mice might keep a small bag

0:56:22packed yeah under my bed I have two

0:56:25pairs of jeans in this bag that if I

0:56:29need to I can live off of he sure

0:56:33wouldn't trust it to a bank no it's

0:56:35under his bed you know there's a famous

0:56:37story of a woman that was out in the

0:56:39outing the sort of outside of Sacramento

0:56:42and she was just out in the gold country

0:56:45they call it gold country and she found

0:56:47a mineshaft that was just sort of open

0:56:50and she walked in just touristing you

0:56:54know just like pooping around boopity

0:56:55boop and kind of walked into the mine a

0:56:59little bit maybe further than you would

0:57:01do if you weren't bold and turned a

0:57:05corner and there was a table and there

0:57:07was a pair of jeans on them that were

0:57:10like a old patch two pair of jeans and

0:57:12she pulled him out of there and was like

0:57:13oh look at these you know look at these

0:57:15old great jeans and they'd been patched

0:57:17and whatnot and she brought him out and

0:57:19they're the oldest pair of Levi's like

0:57:23oldest surviving pair the oldest pair no

0:57:26one at Levi's had ever seen them and she

0:57:29brought them in and they became like

0:57:32these talismanic pants that

0:57:36you know that were just the earth right

0:57:41right but so that was my first

0:57:44experience of understanding that there

0:57:47was value in something that wasn't an

0:57:50antique but was you know like a soft

0:57:55good and it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't

0:57:59clear where the value actually was other

0:58:02than scarcity I guess scarcity also it's

0:58:05interesting how I mean guess this is

0:58:06obvious but it also sets a new bar in

0:58:08some ways where you think about like oh

0:58:10wow it's almost like breaking a record

0:58:13right like where somebody breaks a

0:58:14record and breaks it by like more than

0:58:165% you're like wow we're capable of much

0:58:19more than we realized

0:58:20and so that might kind of reset the

0:58:22market a little bit cuz now people can

0:58:23go oh are there more of these out there

0:58:24should we should we go a little bit

0:58:26deeper into the cave and see if there's

0:58:27some special pants that's exactly right

0:58:29and I remember sitting at her because I

0:58:30would sit and watch her do her job and

0:58:32people would come in with a big stack of

0:58:33Levi's did you get bring it I for that

0:58:36oh you get a really good eye and she had

0:58:38this she already had that that attitude

0:58:41you know she had really really dark

0:58:43brown hair and she dyed it black she

0:58:45dyed it black for no reason like it was

0:58:47already as brown as brown could be and

0:58:50she was like black dark dark red

0:59:00lipstick and she would sit and smoke

0:59:02cigarettes behind the counter where she

0:59:03worked and people would say I got all

0:59:05these Levi's and she would she would

0:59:07flip through them with such disdain

0:59:10we're so attracted this woman I haven't

0:59:12met the person on the other side would

0:59:15just feel so bad for themselves for

0:59:17bringing this stack of jeans down to her

0:59:19and thanks but no thanks for these but I

0:59:29will take this pair and you're just like

0:59:32wow she was one of those people that had

0:59:34the ability to go to a thrift store buy

0:59:37a puffy coat and make it seem like it

0:59:39was from the future mm-hmm it's like how

0:59:41did you make that seem like it's from

0:59:43the future that's like a mom coat from

0:59:441981 and she's just like I don't know

0:59:46man that's a gift yeah why are you

0:59:48talking to me and it's like I'm your

0:59:49boyfriend yeah yeah I'm an idol to talk

0:59:51to you but so I think the premise as we

0:59:58moved into the whole thing

0:59:58moved into the whole thing

1:00:00like well these boots admittedly these

1:00:03boots are $500 the premise was that

1:00:07you'd only need one pair right mm-hmm

1:00:10right it was it was that yes things that

1:00:13are made in America things that are made

1:00:15by hand are gonna be a lot more

1:00:17expensive this is how you get to the

1:00:19artisan thing you're here this is how

1:00:20you get okay so it's gonna be a lot more

1:00:22expensive but where you're already used

1:00:25to paying thirty five hundred dollars

1:00:26for a pair of baggy jeans if you're

1:00:28anybody you're just making that mental

1:00:32transition you're not gonna have seven

1:00:34pairs of these boots you're gonna have

1:00:37one mm-hm and then just sit with that

1:00:40for a second you're just gonna need one

1:00:42just one just one it's gonna be very

1:00:46expensive but it's all you need is the

1:00:50one it's like finding the one true beard

1:00:52go yeah yeah that's all you need you're

1:00:56gonna have one can of mustache wax not

1:00:58four and that idea like I remember it

1:01:05kind of reverberating it actually it it

1:01:10hit the top pair of Levi's in the stack

1:01:13of 40 pairs of Levi's I hadn't had

1:01:14reverberating all the way down to the

1:01:16bottom and I was like wait I only need

1:01:18one pair of Levi's I think that's wrong

1:01:20I think I need all these maybe I don't

1:01:23need all these Levi's right but I

1:01:25definitely need more than one pair and

1:01:27then that was all of a sudden there was

1:01:29denim that was made at the that the

1:01:31white cone mill in being oz back

1:01:34Tennessee or whatever in roz but

1:01:36whatever

1:01:36Carolina it's like oh man these jeans

1:01:39are five hundred dollars but you only

1:01:41need one yeah jeans are tough now if

1:01:45it's a top hat one one really nice

1:01:55artisanal time pad yeah don't wonder

1:01:58from a small batch Tennessee top but I

1:02:02think when they check into those

1:02:04fisherman's hotel it's all coming

1:02:08together now you know what it would be

1:02:10embarrassing don't don't embarrass me

1:02:12don't embarrass

1:02:13self by giving me the fucking drawers

1:02:15what am I gonna put in drawers I have

1:02:17one pair of pants on the top hat yeah

1:02:18you open the door to your room

1:02:20there's no TV there's a walkie-talkie on

1:02:22the floor there's two hangers and

1:02:23there's a little Larry source neatly

1:02:26sourced hangers locally-sourced hangers

1:02:28that are carved out of out of

1:02:29prehistoric whale bone uh-huh

1:02:31you hang your one jacket that cost

1:02:34$1,200 on it you put your artisanal

1:02:37boots on the floor and then you lay back

1:02:40and read your artisanal book you know

1:02:42anyone you don't take a few jacket your

1:02:45jacket is one of those like bandleader

1:02:46ones right there's there's no jacket

1:02:48required you're walking around you're

1:03:00one pair of pants you get your band well

1:03:01what do you call that kind of jacket

1:03:02like an atom and jacket there's a name

1:03:03for that yeah I would say it was the it

1:03:07was the what is the Buddhists ik guy

1:03:09what is he called he's the covered this

1:03:11damn ant vest

1:03:15what's the address best called it's a

1:03:17collar jacket you got the knot

1:03:21bandleader it's good it's a sergeant

1:03:24major the something major the drum major

1:03:27yeah but there's a name for that

1:03:30particular vest you talked about the one

1:03:33with the multiple but the Frog ings and

1:03:36stuff on it and they got the Frog in his

1:03:38waistcoat they call it a waistcoat in

1:03:40England to make it even more confusing

1:03:41how they do oh man there's so much

1:03:44vintage out of man stuff look at all of

1:03:45this you can get it Bonaparte hat

1:03:51we call him Bonaparte cause we're still

1:03:53mad at me we're against him we're

1:03:56against him not for it I'm the one that

1:04:00needs to adjust I need to get out of

1:04:01this mindset I have I'm gonna bring

1:04:03seven pairs of me undies for the two

1:04:04days that I'm there I need one pair of

1:04:06underwear I need one grand master jacket

1:04:08with frogging x' a 31 top hat and even

1:04:11though I don't have a mustache I should

1:04:12probably bring some some mustache soils

1:04:15you can use it on your eyebrows okay if

1:04:17you get one of those pairs of Mac weld

1:04:19and silver Underpants yeah those aren't

1:04:21cheap but you can wear those day in and

1:04:22day out because the silver will

1:04:24anesthetize the buck

1:04:26the antimicrobial silver add the

1:04:27microbial yeah our thanks to hellofresh

1:04:30for supporting this episode of Roderick

1:04:32on the line hello fresh hello yeah

1:04:35Froggy's I I was in the market for this

1:04:39kind of thing not very long ago as I was

1:04:41compiling my King Neptune outfit yeah

1:04:44and I contacted a man in Canada because

1:04:48what I really wanted was a jacket from

1:04:51the Royal Canadian Mounted Police but

1:04:55what I learned is that the Royal

1:04:57Canadian Mounted Police iconic red

1:05:00jacket is not only copyrighted by the

1:05:04Royal Canadian Mounted Police but you

1:05:07never owned your Mountie jacket when

1:05:11you're a Mountie you are only in Lent

1:05:14you're just inhabiting it for the for

1:05:16the role for the that's right

1:05:17because duty the jacket is is sacrosanct

1:05:23and just like the way you refer to the

1:05:27Queen you've got the Queen but the Queen

1:05:29is different from the throne right and

1:05:32you got a pope but that's different than

1:05:33the Vatican or the papacy there's this

1:05:36thing that's bigger than you that you're

1:05:37just inhabitant in that case it's a red

1:05:38coat yeah you got the Pope over here

1:05:40yeah it's like getting a soup right the

1:05:44jacket the the emblem of the Mounties is

1:05:48is a thing that when you're done being a

1:05:52Mountie you give the jacket back so you

1:05:56don't see Canadian punk rockers out

1:05:59rolling around in old Mountie jackets

1:06:01with the big energy it's not like West

1:06:03Germany green jackets that are just

1:06:05everywhere no it's not and so I am I was

1:06:09up in the Canadian internet I don't know

1:06:13if you've ever been to it that's the

1:06:16dossier

1:06:16yeah and it's um but you know there's

1:06:18it's almost like a fully functioning

1:06:21internet up that's a lot friendlier

1:06:23but I'm up there and I'm like look I

1:06:24want one of these and they're like sorry

1:06:26hmm and then I found a guy outside of

1:06:31Ottawa who as far as I could tell lives

1:06:35in a shipping container okay and he's a

1:06:38very friendly man he actually wanted to

1:06:40talk on the phone quite a bit and

1:06:42because he was helping me I indulged him

1:06:46in this and I spoke to him on the phone

1:06:49for a long time and heard all about his

1:06:52many adventures driving a truck in the

1:06:54Yukon Territories and living in a big

1:06:57house with a lot of friends that he

1:06:59doesn't have anymore

1:07:00but one thing he does have is a small

1:07:03collection of jackets which were used in

1:07:06the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

1:07:09Academy oh pretty good and they are in a

1:07:15lot of ways fancier than Royal Canadian

1:07:20Mounted Police

1:07:21normal tunics they're called tunics by

1:07:24the way okay

1:07:25and because they're like cadet jackets

1:07:29right it's not like you're the rank and

1:07:31file these are the these are the

1:07:32hotshots so they've got a lot of gold

1:07:33braids on them and I don't even know if

1:07:36the if that Academy still makes them

1:07:39wear these jackets but somehow the fact

1:07:42that they were cadet jackets meant that

1:07:44there was a loophole and he had some and

1:07:48I wanted that also you're you're not as

1:07:53far as I know Canadian so are you are

1:07:54you on or bound are you stealing

1:07:56Canadian valour by wearing that because

1:07:58it seems to me if you're from a

1:07:59different country you should be able to

1:08:00get the real deal well but this is the

1:08:02thing they're not letting him go they're

1:08:05not letting him go the scarcity begins

1:08:07scarcity yeah you serve at the pleasure

1:08:09of the President

1:08:10Yeah right like gifts for the Queen who

1:08:12works for the crown it's all that it's

1:08:14all that stuff all that stuff that

1:08:16government stuff that my dad used to

1:08:17have around when he was working for the

1:08:19federal government that would say like

1:08:21when you're done using this pencil

1:08:22return it to the federal government

1:08:24[Music]

1:08:26anyway so this guy very unusual person

1:08:29and and these jackets had an unusual

1:08:32sizing system and he and I were

1:08:33negotiating

1:08:35what what jackets he had and he I said

1:08:38listen just send me the biggest tallest

1:08:41one you have I know there are big tall

1:08:43Mounties but I'm not willing to take

1:08:46chances so send me the biggest tallest

1:08:49one you have well the jacket arrived and

1:08:51it was neither big nor tall but it was

1:08:55the biggest one he had and so what I

1:08:57have Merlin is a mount is a of 60s Royal

1:09:01Canadian Mounted Police Academy jacket

1:09:04how long is it well I think it would fit

1:09:08you perfectly oh my god but I don't want

1:09:11to give you things that you don't want

1:09:13right because because there are all

1:09:16these people trying to give you things

1:09:17you don't want I have a whole closet

1:09:19full of things I'm supposed to give you

1:09:20at some point but here is this thing if

1:09:23you wore this around you would be so

1:09:25adamant fancy there's no one in America

1:09:28that has one it's called a hazhar a

1:09:30huzzah search for hu s SAR hu s s AR but

1:09:37isn't aren't I gonna get a bunch of Hot

1:09:38Topic stuff here no I think you'll be

1:09:46safe I think it's hard to knowing you

1:09:48know your Google is not my Google your

1:09:49grandma is not my grandma you know so so

1:09:52try try try googling it and then you get

1:09:53some mannequin in a hussar Oh hussar

1:09:57Azhar it looks like for fifteen hundred

1:09:59dollars you can get this one Napoleonic

1:10:02Wars Dolman

1:10:03it's a French hussar Dolman more

1:10:06specific Sha Tsui I just literally this

1:10:10week really

1:10:11Dolman is the kind of sleeve I learned

1:10:12about on Project Runway Dolman is a kind

1:10:15of sleeve you can you learn about on

1:10:16Project Runway I'll be kind of sleep you

1:10:18learned about on Project Runway hussar

1:10:20hazhar as how did you learn about it and

1:10:23why oh because they were talking about

1:10:25making a Dolman sleeve and they said

1:10:26they're kind of tired of seeing that

1:10:27look and they want to see them doing

1:10:28something else it's not in black what is

1:10:30a Dolman sleeve I think it's where it's

1:10:33part of the eyes I don't know exactly

1:10:35but I'm not gonna look it up because I

1:10:37don't screw up my search history I got

1:10:38his are in there I don't wanna mess

1:10:39myself up I think it's when you gotta

1:10:40front to back and the sleeve is implied

1:10:42by the general shape of the garment it's

1:10:44not like a separate sleeve that you sew

1:10:46on whyphy and now I'll find out if I'm

1:10:48right

1:10:48what is it called Dolman Dolman now why

1:10:52did I not know but was the problem with

1:10:54the problem is that there's a lot of

1:10:56steampunk overlap here hmm and the

1:11:00steampunk overlap anytime I'm walking

1:11:04through the world and I walk into any

1:11:06kind of Venn diagram that is like

1:11:10overlapping a steampunk Venn diagram I

1:11:12tread very carefully it's a little bit

1:11:15like Juggalos where like there's a

1:11:17certain amount where you have like a

1:11:18kind of awe and respect but you don't

1:11:20you don't necessarily want to be a

1:11:22Juggalo you've got to be careful that

1:11:24you just state Juggalo adjacent yeah

1:11:26right and and with steampunk like I like

1:11:28leather

1:11:29I like brass sure I like gold braids you

1:11:31would love to have a leather typewriter

1:11:33I like little tinker II things yesterday

1:11:36I was at one of those I was walking

1:11:38through one of those little towns where

1:11:41the and it's a here in Washington it's a

1:11:43little town on the ocean that has a

1:11:46store that's basically selling old

1:11:48fishing net there's a guy was literally

1:11:50a corncob pipe that's meant selling old

1:11:53net but then but then the town is is

1:11:57trying to decide whether it wants to get

1:11:58fancy or not or whether it even can get

1:12:00fancy okay

1:12:01and so there's a little store where

1:12:03there's a guy selling cigars but he also

1:12:05sells like nada que Lea hmm and I can

1:12:10put that up in your seaman's hotel I

1:12:12can't resist it right so I'm in there

1:12:14I'm looking at old barometers and I'm

1:12:17like how many barometers can a person

1:12:18have in their house but you get some

1:12:20really nice giant ass compasses you get

1:12:23big compasses right nautical nice

1:12:25nautical compasses really polished

1:12:28really you know like I said like I want

1:12:31a sextant I don't even know why oh you

1:12:33could use a sextant I bet you could pick

1:12:35that up in a weekend but this is really

1:12:37reckoning distances like by Sunday what

1:12:40I don't want though is to have a chance

1:12:43to have more stuff in my house that is

1:12:44steampunk adjacent because I already

1:12:46have a lot oh yeah yeah yeah you know

1:12:49when you put it all into one place

1:12:51yeah tells a different story than you

1:12:52want to tell so I find this walk give a

1:12:55deep sea diving suit no okay have you

1:12:57ever wondered what it's no real a suit

1:12:59no no no no no really it's too big

1:13:01well too big okay do I want one yes but

1:13:04am I too claustrophobic

1:13:06yes oh I just meant to hang there no but

1:13:09if it was there I would want to put it

1:13:10on put it on a panic attack put it back

1:13:22you might be like I gotta put that on

1:13:26act of steampunk self-immolation I have

1:13:3012 different Stetson fedoras and I would

1:13:34never wear one outside but I wear them

1:13:36around the house all day now and I'll

1:13:42see another I'll see a fedora like

1:13:44across the room and I'm wearing one and

1:13:46I'll walk over and I'll take the one I

1:13:47have on off and all the place oh the

1:13:49other one too

1:13:52you gotta have two threes too two is one

1:13:55one is none you know like I want a

1:13:57shoulder holster yeah what I really

1:14:02wearing it wearing my pistol under my

1:14:04blender my Levi's best in case you got a

1:14:06pistol with a punk but I realized I

1:14:09think probably back then that and and

1:14:11then this entire show the entire history

1:14:14of Roderick on the line all points to

1:14:16one thing which is that I should never

1:14:18ever ever carry a concealed weapon

1:14:22interesting because I'm an eight I'm a

1:14:25natural-born Sheriff hmm and all those

1:14:28dummies out there carrying you know like

1:14:31carrying pistols are all and it was a

1:14:34lot of are not even officers they're not

1:14:36at all they think of themselves as

1:14:38sheriff's too but the problem is I know

1:14:40I'm a sheriff and if I was carrying a

1:14:42gun around

1:14:42I would be sheriffing all the fucking

1:14:44time and that is not what the world

1:14:46needs there is not a single parking lot

1:14:47that you attend to that would go on

1:14:50sheriff

1:14:50I would sheriff I would I'd be

1:14:53sheriffing everybody I'd be like one of

1:14:54those Australian Shepherds who's like

1:14:56every time he tries to run kids talking

1:14:59to the air you grab their pants with

1:15:00your teeth you pull him back in New York

1:15:01that's you yeah that's you with a pistol

1:15:02in the parking lot yeah that's not what

1:15:04I mean froggy went a-courtin and he did

1:15:05ride but I do want a shoulder holster

1:15:08and I'm not sure what to put in it

1:15:09obviously oh no I'm not gonna be my

1:15:13phone I think what it should be as well

1:15:15a collapsible brass telescope

1:15:18oh no you to travel sextant you only

1:15:23need one but I don't wanna know and so

1:15:31here I am I'm looking at these huh Sarge

1:15:33jackets huh huh and I'm like oh I really

1:15:35like that oh that's fun that's fun stuff

1:15:50really fun