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Ep. 262: "He Never Swore"

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0:00:21Ferro hi John

0:00:24hi Merlin how's it going everything's

0:00:32great

0:00:33it's so great everything's fine

0:00:37remain calm all as well I got my bacon

0:00:42number today oh you're making them no

0:00:44this is boring stuff but I've struggled

0:00:46I struggle with my computer machine Oh

0:00:48your computer yeah you know I have a

0:00:52computer here yeah is that right yeah

0:00:54but I I felt like I needed another one

0:00:57oh now I'm he's got my attention and so

0:01:00I was like I've got the laptop which

0:01:04already has more computing power than

0:01:06all the computers that sent us to the

0:01:09moon and I'll never use it I'll never

0:01:13use any of that competing power I've

0:01:14always felt with the computers that I

0:01:16look at it it's you know it's this world

0:01:18of potential that I'll never exploit I'm

0:01:21just I'm just using word star but I got

0:01:28this laptop and I didn't want it just

0:01:30felt like it was a it was the special

0:01:32box that I had the special things in but

0:01:34I mean it like a big box that I put

0:01:36other stuff in whoa and I wanted it to

0:01:40be you know like that one that I used to

0:01:42have that everybody laughed at me from

0:01:432005 it was a big box it had stuff in it

0:01:47yeah

0:01:47so I was over at my friend Jason Finn

0:01:50the drummer of the presidents the United

0:01:52States of America's house and he had

0:01:56this uh this Apple sitting there and I

0:02:00said what are you doing with that he's

0:02:02like oh you know cleaning up getting it

0:02:03out of here he said I've got a laptop so

0:02:06I don't need that anymore and I was like

0:02:11hmm he said oh okay for a steak dinner

0:02:20interesting so just sitting there doing

0:02:23nothing for him it's just sitting there

0:02:25doing nothing and he said it'll probably

0:02:27take one more upgrade like it'll

0:02:30probably it's not brand new

0:02:33right but it's still useful for the for

0:02:36the big box that I need that I feel like

0:02:38it need tabletop box so he said doesn't

0:02:44have a keyboard or anything you're gonna

0:02:45have to do that yourself

0:02:48and you know you taught me to buy those

0:02:50solar-powered keyboards so I went I went

0:02:53on to the online and I got one of those

0:02:54sent to me and I went downtown to the

0:02:58fancy coz Jason's like I don't know it's

0:03:00got to be a good steak dinner went down

0:03:02to the fancy steak house at lunch I walk

0:03:06in he's sitting there with this computer

0:03:07on the table like like some real suave

0:03:12guys doing slick handoff but in the

0:03:17interim I remembered that I had found a

0:03:20little bag that I had been meaning to

0:03:23give to Jason which was a special bag

0:03:26and I know how you feel about special

0:03:28bags you know how I feel about special

0:03:30Jason Jason feels this way too this was

0:03:34a bag many many many years ago KEXP our

0:03:37local alternative radio station gave

0:03:41away a messenger bag as a bonus if you

0:03:45donated some big amount of money okay

0:03:50you got this messenger bag and we all

0:03:53got them all the rock musicians at the

0:03:55time got these bags they were bright

0:03:58orange they said KEXP on them some

0:04:02people really and you know it was big

0:04:04enough to put a put a stack of 12-inch

0:04:06records in it this is like a Timbuktu

0:04:07bag nope no it was just it's actually I

0:04:11mean in my personal opinion kind of look

0:04:13it has zero features it's just like a

0:04:15it's just a bag made out of you know bag

0:04:19made out bag that's KEXP honors bright

0:04:22orange a lot of people took these bags

0:04:26as their kind of signature at the time

0:04:28Nabeel our drummer had one I had a

0:04:32couple of them you know it's the bag you

0:04:35throw some stuff in but it never didn't

0:04:37it didn't mean that much emotionally to

0:04:39me so I was going through I was going

0:04:42through bags the other about a month ago

0:04:45and I opened up a bag BIGBANG it was

0:04:49full of bags like dougie and I was like

0:04:52oh look at this look at that I pulled

0:04:54out a pulled out a bag out of there

0:04:55opened it up it had bags and and inside

0:05:00that bag was one of these orange KEXP

0:05:04bags that I hadn't seen in a long time

0:05:06it was in perfect condition

0:05:08Jason was one of these people that had

0:05:11that KEXP bag and he took it everywhere

0:05:13he wore his into the ground he wore out

0:05:16he wore out this bag sounds keep really

0:05:19bonded with the bag he the bag meant so

0:05:21much to him and after he'd blown out

0:05:24this bag he actually you know he made a

0:05:26kind of stink about it around town like

0:05:28he went to KEXP he said why don't you

0:05:31guys make this bag again and they were

0:05:33like that's from ten years ago and he

0:05:34said I know but it's the best like could

0:05:36you make this bag just like make just a

0:05:39landfill at a special level nobody would

0:05:43accommodate him and I knew he was

0:05:46brokenhearted that he they couldn't

0:05:48replace this bag so I'm down there and

0:05:51I'm like surprised I brought you the

0:05:56like unobtainium bag hmm

0:05:59oh he gets all teary-eyed he hugs it to

0:06:05himself like you know like a like his

0:06:07childhood teddy bear but now we're in

0:06:10this uncomfortable position where I've

0:06:12given him something worth a lot more to

0:06:14him than this dump computer he's giving

0:06:16me and yet I'm still on the hook for

0:06:19buying him mistake and this is a topic

0:06:23that has not been broached overtly no he

0:06:26still thinks there's mistake coming well

0:06:28cuz I'm mr. surprise person right um mr.

0:06:32surprise person you brought me a cello I

0:06:33brought you a cello yeah I like

0:06:35surprised I didn't ask for it

0:06:37I'd like to say surprise hey I I was

0:06:42thinking of you I got you this thing I

0:06:44found this thing is what often happens I

0:06:47found this thing I thought of you

0:06:48surprised and Jason Jason you know like

0:06:54I say like you tear in his eye but he's

0:06:56also a stickler for the deal

0:06:58a stickler for the deal we come adjacent

0:07:00fin by just letting it slide he's heat

0:07:03like you he is dealt with the guy in the

0:07:04back room smoke on cigar and peeling off

0:07:06the hundred dollar bills yes he knows

0:07:07where he speaks he knows this whole like

0:07:10oh you're negotiating the record

0:07:12contract well we're giving you a 100

0:07:15percent control over the artwork in

0:07:18exchange for ninety four percent of the

0:07:22creative output Jason loves a lot of

0:07:26people's favorite part really listen we

0:07:29negotiated hard for this one hundred

0:07:32percent control over the artwork and the

0:07:34labels like fine kid Jason knows

0:07:38so Jason sits down with his brand-new

0:07:40bag

0:07:41it's tear-stained bag tucks his napkin

0:07:44into his shirt orders a $65 steak oh

0:07:48that's a nice steak what was a nice

0:07:52steak I have to say so good steak there

0:07:55it's a good steak place not to be undone

0:07:58of course I ordered it

0:07:59$72 take myself you not meet a stone so

0:08:04you know long story short I end up

0:08:07footing the bill for for not a no small

0:08:10amount of lunch I got this computer the

0:08:15bag is gone the bag was not that was no

0:08:18undue burden on me right I that's not

0:08:22like I tearfully parted with the bag I

0:08:24found that bag in a bag in a bag yeah

0:08:28that's the complexity is you both were

0:08:31in some way proffer of current super

0:08:35value to yourself he was not using his

0:08:38desktop computer machine and you were

0:08:40right using the bag in a bag in a bag

0:08:41right okay but now that we can all agree

0:08:45on steak we can all agree that steak is

0:08:48a is a medium of exchange but so anyway

0:08:53now I have this computer this big

0:08:55computer and now it is sitting here on

0:08:57the table but I haven't plugged it in

0:09:00yet so I'm doing this show on my laptop

0:09:02all good okay but it's here I'm looking

0:09:05at it it looks like it looks like an

0:09:07apple doesn't have a Big Apple on the

0:09:09front does and one on the back

0:09:11back it's me it's big it's got its

0:09:13silver it's um it's on a kind of stand

0:09:17that looks like a paperclip

0:09:18sulle you might have what's called an

0:09:20iMac an iMac mm-hmm I think I do if I

0:09:24had my druthers it's what I would be

0:09:26recording on right now is that right yes

0:09:28and circumstances I would be speaking to

0:09:31you on my iMac what are you speaking to

0:09:34me on right now a MacBook which is in

0:09:38the parlance today in my circles

0:09:40sometimes called the MacBook adorable

0:09:41it's very very small and cute and mostly

0:09:44useless unless your iMac is not working

0:09:47and then you plug it in with mini mini

0:09:48dongles and you talk to your friend on

0:09:50the internet for a little while so he's

0:09:52got your running dongles right now oh

0:09:54I'm a dongle country this is one of

0:09:57those part of that current spate of

0:09:59Apple products that are really great as

0:10:01long as you don't use them for anything

0:10:05flawlessly in conditions where that you

0:10:07don't try to do anything useful with

0:10:08them huh yeah no in the iMac I don't

0:10:11know how old your iMac is but like do

0:10:13you have a rough idea like what are we

0:10:14talk about orders of magnitude how old's

0:10:15that thing well old enough that he

0:10:19bought it and then used it long enough

0:10:21that it was sitting on the table at his

0:10:23house and he was like I gotta get rid of

0:10:25this thing so three to five or more

0:10:27years yeah yeah let's put it at let's

0:10:33split the difference at four four and a

0:10:35half years okay it's not really

0:10:38splitting the difference but I that's my

0:10:39guess let's just not begging the

0:10:41question that one drives me crazy right

0:10:43people say begging the question when

0:10:45they really mean raising the question

0:10:46yeah no that's not begging the question

0:10:49mm-hmm what is your opinion about this

0:10:52that's four years

0:10:53what say it's four years old well I can

0:10:55in the fullness of time I will give you

0:10:58an idea what kind of deal you got on it

0:10:59but the truth is that that is a computer

0:11:02that unless it has some kind of problem

0:11:03I mean it's sort of like you know Kramer

0:11:06trading his radar detector to Newman for

0:11:11the crash helmet and neither one of them

0:11:12works right it becomes kind of sad Gift

0:11:15of the Magi if that thing works you

0:11:17might have something kind of good on

0:11:18your hands that you can put on your mp3s

0:11:20on isn't that kind of part of the deal

0:11:21you want all your stuff on a thing I

0:11:22want stuff on a thing but also

0:11:25yeah like I I have a little bit of I

0:11:28mean I don't have anywhere near the

0:11:30computer attachment anxiety that

0:11:34probably I'm guessing 99.9% of the

0:11:39people listening to this program suffer

0:11:40from they have a lot of feelings and so

0:11:43like if my laptop got left somewhere or

0:11:46if it got wiped or if it got stolen or

0:11:50if it was you know or if god forbid

0:11:54sat in the crackheads trunk for a year a

0:11:56satyr crackheads drunk for a year or or

0:12:00if he were to be shot by a policeman or

0:12:03if he were to someone other unfortunate

0:12:08you're seeing like a Theodore Roosevelt

0:12:09type situation like you're up there

0:12:11giving a speech and a gunman takes a

0:12:13crack at you mm-hmm stops the bullet he

0:12:15takes the blow you continue speaking cuz

0:12:17you're all fuckin Theodore Roosevelt

0:12:18that kind of saturation that's right I'm

0:12:20shot by a bullet but i but i apprehend

0:12:23the culprit first of all and then

0:12:25continue with my speech never pausing

0:12:27never pausing okay all right so that's

0:12:30not I don't have that problem what I

0:12:32just have is the problem of a

0:12:34proliferation of boxes yeah but also

0:12:36justice you want to make sure this is

0:12:38just if you turn this thing on and it

0:12:41has a bomb on it or something you know

0:12:43like a sad sad face or something if it

0:12:45doesn't work the hard drives busted or

0:12:46something you know Oh we'll go Jason and

0:12:50I will go back to the start oh yeah I'm

0:12:53sure I mean I I don't want to get a get

0:12:55head in front of our skis on this one

0:12:57but you know Jason's an art dealer and

0:13:00he has a drummer right so these are

0:13:04things we need to keep in mind I don't I

0:13:06don't want to cast aspersions we're

0:13:08living in a more woke and learning time

0:13:11and I don't want to just say things

0:13:12about drummers even though we know it's

0:13:14mostly true it's a cultural thing it's

0:13:16it's it's not see I think it's a

0:13:19difference in culture when you're

0:13:20dealing with the drummer you're

0:13:21absolutely right here absolutely not

0:13:23that they're less intelligent or trust

0:13:27the bull don't you think a lot of it is

0:13:31how a drummer is raised you know it I

0:13:33appreciate that you're trying to show

0:13:35cultural sensitivity well I want to

0:13:37become want to be culturally sensitive

0:13:38I have never I've never walked in and

0:13:41Romer shoes that's right and I imagine

0:13:43they imagine they suffer a lot they're

0:13:44the the brunt of a lot of jokes that are

0:13:46very funny because they're true and

0:13:48you're usually the least useful person

0:13:51in the band including the bass player

0:13:52I'm taken taken together mm-hmm

0:13:56have you ever have to move your drummers

0:13:58drums because they just weren't into it

0:13:59they were talking to somebody doing a

0:14:07lot of heavy lifting in my experience

0:14:08the drummer's in like like a restroom

0:14:11stall and can't figure out how to get

0:14:13out there talking up a bird and you're

0:14:15the one you're the one carrying the

0:14:16floor toms if you know what I'm saying

0:14:18you remember one I had a guy that didn't

0:14:21have that didn't have cases for his

0:14:23drums or cymbals because he didn't

0:14:25believe in them he would carry each is

0:14:27that part of the century John is that

0:14:29sialic it's symbolic no no no okay no no

0:14:32I think other drummers also that was

0:14:35anomalous but but you're you're right

0:14:37there's I mean this is the problem with

0:14:40stereotypes there's a stereotype for a

0:14:41reason huh and talk about that anymore

0:14:44no you can't really it's impossible to

0:14:46say everything that we used to be able

0:14:49to say about drummers yes because it was

0:14:51understood in the culture that we were

0:14:53that we were not only just kidding

0:14:56mm-hmm

0:14:57but also that we were serious that we

0:14:59were serious and it was true yeah I mean

0:15:01it's a kind of kidding that's that's

0:15:02very very serious and a lot of people

0:15:04don't have to live with a drummer they

0:15:06don't have to you know deal with a

0:15:08drummer in a business standpoint or with

0:15:10trying to keep a beat or any of those

0:15:12kinds of things and also they wanted to

0:15:14do they got their crash cymbal that's

0:15:15made out of a you know out of a crosscut

0:15:17saw and that's like a funny thing to

0:15:18them they strap it on to a stand and

0:15:20pretty soon you're carrying that out to

0:15:21the van well there's their bathroom

0:15:24there are drummers and then there are

0:15:26drummer you know you talk about

0:15:28percussionists well I'm talking about

0:15:30you know like the difference between a

0:15:32drummer like I know a drummer I know a

0:15:35lot of drummers sure I'm friends with

0:15:37drummer yeah well but then there are you

0:15:40know then there are drummers that are

0:15:41like right everybody knows what we're

0:15:44talking about here

0:15:49at some point here's the thing let's not

0:15:52get ahead of ourselves you need to get

0:15:53this thing rolling make sure it even

0:15:55just even starts up right that's at

0:15:58first tasks I'm looking at it here in

0:16:00the in the side light and there's a

0:16:02shuts on it and I specifically said to

0:16:05him when he handed it over to me I was

0:16:07like this thing's not covered with

0:16:08schmutz is it it was like no no no no no

0:16:11no I'm not which immediately like yes it

0:16:13was but he's also very he's fastidious

0:16:15enough that I think he sprayed it down

0:16:17with a cleaner that's nice but there's a

0:16:21there's like something on the screen

0:16:23that won't rub off it's like a like a

0:16:26damage like something it's not cracked

0:16:29but it's like it's got some kind of a

0:16:33physical artifact of some kind of damage

0:16:35yeah it's got like a like it looks like

0:16:38you know cuz it's a it's like it's made

0:16:40out of the same stuff as my electric

0:16:43stove your core Cory and stovetop stuff

0:16:47yeah and it looks like somebody put a

0:16:48pot down on it I would not say this I

0:16:53wouldn't put that past the drummer if a

0:16:55drummer made some beans and need a place

0:16:57to put them I could see him putting his

0:16:59his iMac off-axis and using as a kind of

0:17:02a trivet how do we know that he didn't

0:17:12computer machine

0:17:13he was website and and he was like doing

0:17:15about a paddle oh he probably does that

0:17:18adds value because that's what they do

0:17:20that on the dashboard of their car you

0:17:21know you'll see that a lot yeah you'll

0:17:24see that in traffic oh my I think that

0:17:25this actually has a like well wait a

0:17:28minute now I'm rub it I'm rubbing it

0:17:30here no won't rub off careful you don't

0:17:33get too many oils on there you should

0:17:35get up you should get a product I like a

0:17:36lot called woosh you can order this from

0:17:38your retailer they're in town and whoosh

0:17:41you get this nice bottle this is not an

0:17:43endorsement but you get a retweets or

0:17:45not endorsements but you get this bottle

0:17:47of stuff called woosh and it comes with

0:17:48what they call a microfiber cloth and

0:17:50you go since it's you put a little bit

0:17:52of wish on the microfiber cloth and then

0:17:54you gently gently rub it off and that

0:17:56will sometimes restore it to its

0:17:58showroom shine

0:17:59you did with your phone I did that with

0:18:01all the devices the other day is this a

0:18:03thing that I can just use this the

0:18:06spritz and the microfiber cloth that I

0:18:09get with the new pair of glasses

0:18:11possibly there are products that are

0:18:13made for electronic devices and I've

0:18:16learned from friends of mine who have

0:18:18been Jean I at the Apple store that you

0:18:20want to not spritz directly onto the

0:18:22surface of the screen you want to spritz

0:18:24under the microfiber cloth not too much

0:18:25not too little then you rub it off you

0:18:27won't be real channel real so these

0:18:29friends of yours or friends of ours Oh

0:18:31mostly friends of mine I don't think you

0:18:33know that minnijean I do you have you

0:18:34ever met a Jean I do you know people who

0:18:36were geniuses in the growth well I have

0:18:38a friend who is a Corson he was a genius

0:18:41right he was Eric was a genius not ever

0:18:44at the MAC store and not ever at the

0:18:46Apple store but at the MAC store hmm do

0:18:49you remember before there were Apple

0:18:51store oh yeah there were of course you

0:18:53do they were authorized Mac stores they

0:18:55would have a big neon Apple in the

0:18:56window with colors and whatnot him yeah

0:18:58but they also sold other things like

0:18:59RadioShack yes they were independently

0:19:03owned and operated they were like they

0:19:06might have been likes I think you could

0:19:08get like certified but they were doing

0:19:11their own thing they still exist and

0:19:13they're real weird

0:19:15they were always weird it always felt

0:19:17like there was a guy with a gray

0:19:19ponytail mm-hmm who would like had an

0:19:22apple 2e yeah there were a lot of there

0:19:26were people like Eric Corson back in the

0:19:27back doing Mac Mac attacks attacks yeah

0:19:32back him back in the back of Mac tech

0:19:34for Bobby the guy he's probably could be

0:19:38a Gulf War vet but Bobby's the guy with

0:19:39the ponytail and he's writing stuff yeah

0:19:41and it was a great job for Eric because

0:19:44he would say okay guys I'm going on tour

0:19:46and they would take his like milk carton

0:19:51that he sat on has also have detained

0:19:54all of his stuff and they tuck it under

0:19:57the under the workbench and the rest of

0:20:00the guys would you know they were all

0:20:01like back there were backpacking Mac

0:20:04attack Mac attackers him and then he'd

0:20:06come back to work a month later two

0:20:08months later and they

0:20:10milk carton upside-down and all his

0:20:13tools will be in there and he'd sit down

0:20:15and get back to work making Santa's toys

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0:21:58Casper for supporting Roderick on the

0:22:00line and all the great shows I would not

0:22:05leave quarters or weed in the milk

0:22:09carnival no I do that all the time I'm

0:22:11like let's see I've got all these little

0:22:12bits I am and I throw me the milk

0:22:14cartons I'm taking people's quarters

0:22:18yeah but so but yeah so the MAC store

0:22:24god I remember the first Mac store I

0:22:27went to it it felt like a ha felt like a

0:22:30hobby place exactly there was was a big

0:22:32one in town here on 6th on 6th Street I

0:22:34believe called Mac Adam and that was

0:22:37like it was it was the Valhalla of nerdy

0:22:39hobbyist Apple store so they would have

0:22:41software they would have hardware they

0:22:43had many many kinds of devices if you

0:22:45want to get a scuzzy 25 or scuzzy 50 you

0:22:47go there you want to get an Ethernet

0:22:49adapter that's where you go yeah but it

0:22:51always felt kind of they felt kind of

0:22:53shambling especially now compared to

0:22:54what we think of as an Apple store

0:22:56yeah the lighting was very dark and them

0:22:59wasn't it and it was like there was

0:23:01unfinished shingling carpeting often had

0:23:05carpeting carpet carpeting in those in

0:23:07the shells with holes in them like at a

0:23:09hardware store an old hardware store yep

0:23:11I have a friend here that is the

0:23:14assistant manager he's either the

0:23:16assistant to the regional manager or

0:23:18these is the assistant regional manager

0:23:19of an apple store at one of the big

0:23:24malls here in the region oh wow

0:23:27and so I will go visit him sometimes and

0:23:31it used to be that it felt like I got a

0:23:36friend in the diamond business and I'd

0:23:40go and he doesn't have to wear the

0:23:44t-shirt oh so he's like an enlisted man

0:23:48he's a yeah like an officer he's an

0:23:51officer he gets to wear a shirt with the

0:23:52button-down collar that does not

0:23:53indicate that he's a board member

0:23:56okay and you know sometimes I'll go and

0:24:01he won't be there and then I'll see him

0:24:02walking the mall with with an employee

0:24:05giving him giving the employee an

0:24:07employee review so he's not like he's

0:24:12not a low-level operative but he's

0:24:14definitely at the level where if he

0:24:16speaks to lord Vader he may get choked

0:24:19at a distance yeah pray he doesn't alter

0:24:21it further you're talking about second

0:24:22lieutenant you know secondary well but

0:24:24you know a left tenant like not oh I see

0:24:27he's got like a riding crop in a

0:24:28button-down shirt yeah maybe like a

0:24:30jaunty beret

0:24:31and it used to be that you could kind of

0:24:33waltz in there and say like no to mean

0:24:36nudge nudge

0:24:36is your wife a goer yeah does she go and

0:24:39he would it's not like he ever likes

0:24:43Liddy anything oh but he'd say let me he

0:24:46might crack your case without an

0:24:47appointment

0:24:48yeah he'd say let me facilitate that

0:24:49okay like I like a friend in the diamond

0:24:53business well me too oh that's nice to

0:24:55know you know I'll get into a whole line

0:24:57of business that I don't even care about

0:24:58if I have a friend in it

0:25:00well it certainly opens the door I mean

0:25:02I'm like I collect diamonds when did you

0:25:04start doing that oh I had a friend in

0:25:05the diamond but tell me more don't care

0:25:07about diamonds I just ice got into it

0:25:09cuz it's nice to have a pal but the last

0:25:15couple of times he's like yeah there's

0:25:17been a big crackdown from HQ and we

0:25:19don't do anything nice for anybody

0:25:20anymore it's not a very fun place to

0:25:23work right now but you're welcome to

0:25:24come down watch me in please

0:25:27yeah you always come down and be in the

0:25:29store and get treated like a regular

0:25:31person I mean he can still get me a

0:25:33genius he can get me a genius to look at

0:25:35my problem like without waiting for a

0:25:40year that's it I think that part of it

0:25:41like what's happening in the store I

0:25:43don't want to go off on a rant here but

0:25:44it is very ad hoc we're like I

0:25:46fortunately not had that many occasions

0:25:48where I had to take my computer in to

0:25:50get looked at but I had a pretty good

0:25:52record on what it was but you know might

0:25:54be the logic board whatever but you take

0:25:55it in and it is a Death March you got to

0:25:57make an appointment it might be a week

0:25:59before you get appointment and then you

0:26:00go ahead and you still gotta wait it

0:26:02might be an hour you're sitting there no

0:26:04of course it's like a lot of it

0:26:07historically has been somebody with an

0:26:09ancient Mac that might even be out of

0:26:11it's a lot like the coupon situation at

0:26:13Walgreens or people in there and they're

0:26:14like I can't go I don't know what

0:26:16happened the photos on my iPad Mini and

0:26:18like there's a you know and you're gonna

0:26:19walk through all that but nowadays

0:26:20they're having actual problems with

0:26:22their products and it's not a very fun

0:26:24place to work

0:26:25oh they're new keyboards are like bad

0:26:28and they're on the on the laptop so yeah

0:26:30yeah this is a little bit inside

0:26:31baseball but just to give you a feel for

0:26:33this I've had friends that get like a

0:26:35crumb or a hair or something in this

0:26:37tiny little keyboard that has no key

0:26:39travel how would you get a crumb or a

0:26:41hair sometimes a person a sport

0:26:43person has to eat what would you do

0:26:45you'd be eating or something or having

0:26:47hair you're reporting from the show

0:26:49floor or something like that you're

0:26:51having a dumpling but then they have to

0:26:53go through these mandated these court

0:26:56mandated tests that they gotta go

0:26:57through and when the tiger gonna run the

0:26:59Diagnostics John you gotta run the

0:27:01Diagnostics come on you know I feel

0:27:04about diagnostic Diagnostics tell you

0:27:06nothing the diagnosis tell you the

0:27:07Diagnostics don't found nothing I've got

0:27:09six on my skype for a week now

0:27:11have you turned up you're compiling a

0:27:14lot of pee do that but then apparently

0:27:17turns out one of the things that they

0:27:19need to chew part of that once they've

0:27:21run the I guess the like software

0:27:23diagnostics and hardware diet then the

0:27:25Geena genius goes through and has to hit

0:27:28every key on the keyboard and see what

0:27:31it does

0:27:31no wonder it takes a week to get an

0:27:33appointment those guys yeah exactly

0:27:36haven't hasn't somebody I bet you

0:27:38there's there is a rhotic on the line

0:27:40listener who has already invented a

0:27:42machine that hits every key on a

0:27:44keyboard oh you know just for their own

0:27:46amusement they've done it yeah

0:27:48eventually they'll put it on Etsy but

0:27:50for now it's just an articulated finger

0:27:52that hits all the keys like I knew a kid

0:27:54up here whose band was him and a bunch

0:27:59of machines he built to play instruments

0:28:01oh so it was regular it's nice to have a

0:28:03friend it's a nice to have little robot

0:28:07friends and I think he had like I think

0:28:10he took chopsticks and put little little

0:28:13like tissue paper on the end of them and

0:28:17taught it how to play the piano oh and

0:28:19it had machines and the one of them

0:28:22played the bass I think and I don't I

0:28:25saw it a couple of times that it was it

0:28:27was phenomenal

0:28:28I don't know I don't know how hard it

0:28:30would be to tour cuz I think you had to

0:28:32thank you to rebuild it every time I

0:28:36mean isn't it fair to say that ever

0:28:37since the 808 drummers have mostly been

0:28:39optional it's mostly for optics that's

0:28:42that's I have a little box that makes so

0:28:47I'm a yeah I know you're a hobbyist

0:28:49that's why I'm so popular little box

0:28:55table music bye

0:28:57you'd be daddy never sleeps at night for

0:29:04the floor baby laughs this little thing

0:29:06made by boss made the by the boss

0:29:07company and and it just makes drum

0:29:12sounds and I'm a terrible there are so

0:29:14many cool drum machines including the

0:29:15808 I went into a music store don't wait

0:29:18simulator on your freaking phone now

0:29:19yeah but that doesn't make me happy okay

0:29:22I decided those buttons you want to make

0:29:23the patterns do that what I want to do

0:29:26is sit what I want to do is sit on the

0:29:28couch as I've done for 25 years and say

0:29:31to someone sitting at a computer or box

0:29:33can you make it go just keep playing

0:29:37until I tell you I'm not angry anymore

0:29:38just keep trying different things I was

0:29:41I did a recording day one time where the

0:29:44drummer came up finally and said I've

0:29:47played this song 40 times I'm not gonna

0:29:49play it again and I said that's what

0:29:52drummers do yeah they play it over and

0:29:54over and over and he said I've played it

0:29:58perfectly 40 times you you need to get

0:30:01your shit together well and I said

0:30:03here's what tremors do they played 41

0:30:05times yeah you played 42 again I guess

0:30:08how I that's how I my shit together if

0:30:11you had wanted to be in a if you'd

0:30:13wanted to play an instrument that people

0:30:14cared what you thought you would have

0:30:15picked a better one yeah you wouldn't

0:30:17you would have gotten a violin or an

0:30:18oboe or something that people have a lot

0:30:20of respect for but no you're in there to

0:30:22keep playing you're like a mouse in a

0:30:23maze I'll tell you when you found the

0:30:24end of the maze don't you worry you just

0:30:25keep walking I'll tell you when you're

0:30:27done I picked up a chair and I had of

0:30:29course I already had my whip and I put

0:30:31him back in his cage and I said keep

0:30:33fucking playing this you got to know how

0:30:35to kennel a drummer

0:30:36but so I have this box and basically it

0:30:42has an it has two knobs one is tempo and

0:30:45the other is you can change what the

0:30:49pattern is and you change the lit move

0:30:51the knob one thing and it goes and then

0:30:55you move it again and it's like you move

0:30:58it again it's like so it's really it's

0:31:02just tempo and complexity ten tempo and

0:31:05complexity and then there is a menu if

0:31:08you want to go to

0:31:10scroll Scroll scroll Scroll and you can

0:31:13change time signature so the

0:31:16complexities find most drummers you know

0:31:23they'll be able to rip out a little bit

0:31:25of Tom Sawyer until it falls apart but

0:31:27mostly you're gonna go back to 4/4 let's

0:31:28be honest yeah well no see because I

0:31:31like trick I like tricky tricks you talk

0:31:33about drama drummers oh yeah there are

0:31:37some I mean Barrett Martin loves to play

0:31:40in in seven seven sixteen gotcha point

0:31:43Matt Chamberlain like he's a drummer

0:31:44drummer loves to play that guy's playing

0:31:47on a different level he's got Galaxy

0:31:48mind Matt Chamberlain Matt Cameron like

0:31:51Cameron

0:31:52all the great masters tricky dicks

0:31:55anyway so I've got this thing and I just

0:31:58like the way it sounds I run it into an

0:31:59amplifier which is like the that's so

0:32:03the thing itself has Mikey Mike the amp

0:32:05or DDI damn I don't even do that I just

0:32:08sit and I just sit and entertain myself

0:32:16and it really disturbs me that I cannot

0:32:20just I don't even have the technical

0:32:24ability to just make that my sound it is

0:32:29my sound it's the only thing I care

0:32:30about I go into the studio and I'm like

0:32:32well here's my thing that I made and and

0:32:34like a live drummers like oh I can do

0:32:37that and he starts to plan I'm like I

0:32:38kind of just like the sound of my lock I

0:32:41know it's almost like you want a sober

0:32:43reliable grant Hart you and somebody who

0:32:45can come in and like keep it beating you

0:32:47say okay we'll do more or flippity

0:32:49jibbity and then they can do more

0:32:51flippity jibbety but they don't lose the

0:32:52beat but still there's a purity to the

0:32:55to the what the what the krautrock hall

0:32:57for on the floor I kind of know you know

0:32:59before you on the floor beat that's

0:33:01that's a fantastic beat well and this is

0:33:03the thing with making music with other

0:33:05people because there are a lot of times

0:33:07when the bass line that I record myself

0:33:10does didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't

0:33:14didn't didn't didn't

0:33:18[Music]

0:33:20no chord change that let you know like

0:33:23as I'm writing it I'm talking to the

0:33:25bass player who is me and I say I'm like

0:33:34okay listen okay shake Racker okay

0:33:38listen you're not going to do anything

0:33:40in this song except this no no the other

0:33:46instruments are gonna make changes

0:33:48they're going to change chords and stuff

0:33:51the bass is only gonna go didn't didn't

0:33:53didn't didn't didn't didn't do until the

0:33:55song is basically a bass drum with an

0:33:57open e yeah right yeah but it needs to

0:34:00happen it's very crucial to the song if

0:34:03it doesn't happen it's not bass well and

0:34:05it's not yeah all right the song doesn't

0:34:07have the thing and the song doesn't have

0:34:09the D it's your the key thing yes and

0:34:11and the amazing skill that some bass

0:34:14players have is to realize that really

0:34:17to play only one note through the entire

0:34:21length of a song and to still like be in

0:34:24the pocket and make it groove is even

0:34:26harder then moving stuff around because

0:34:29you have to be like didn't didn't didn't

0:34:31and I start thinking about something

0:34:33else if you start thinking about

0:34:35something else yeah then you're gonna

0:34:38wander you're gonna wander away from the

0:34:39tune but if you can really be in that

0:34:43bass really be in that bass moment and

0:34:47just every single one of those dunes

0:34:49matters just as much to you as the one

0:34:52before it I'm the one after Wow

0:34:56basically not get distracted like when

0:34:58the words start you start thinking about

0:35:00like what kind of sandwich are gonna

0:35:01have right and the thing is this is a

0:35:03thing that this is why bass players are

0:35:05often perfectly suited to this because

0:35:08there's not a lot of other things

0:35:10they're gonna think about right right

0:35:11right oh we have that much to think

0:35:13about like where where's my milk carton

0:35:16basically it's kind of rhythmic fidget

0:35:18spinner and its key its key key but

0:35:23pretty soon then you're like pretty soon

0:35:26then you're just you're sitting up there

0:35:28with a bunch of instruments that you

0:35:29made your

0:35:30or you're playing everything through a

0:35:31through a boss pedal into a single

0:35:33amplifier and you're you're like LCD

0:35:35Soundsystem guy except you can't afford

0:35:3725 people onstage with you yeah I don't

0:35:41know people really like that LCD

0:35:42soundsystem guy I like some of their

0:35:44stuff quite a lot drummers music you

0:35:49just did that Merlin thing where where

0:35:52your voice went up an octave person says

0:36:06oh I quite like it

0:36:07oh yeah yeah no I mean like I've played

0:36:12my problem is that like like so many

0:36:15people I came at the base this is no

0:36:18disrespect to the wonderful people who

0:36:20play the bass but I came at the base as

0:36:21a guitar player I'm a very loo Barlow

0:36:23esque bass player where it's like I'm

0:36:25playing a 1 and a 5 and I'm going up and

0:36:28I'm playing a little melody and I'm

0:36:29mostly I'm going boop boop boop boop

0:36:30where I'm trying to be my quiet like I

0:36:32don't I mean to me a bass playing was a

0:36:34hack for me like guitar playing I never

0:36:37like like like you I never bothered to

0:36:39get very good at guitar but I knew my

0:36:40way around I knew what my capabilities

0:36:42were mostly you like and I knew them

0:36:45like if I want to make a silly sounding

0:36:46fake Eddie Van Halen solo I knew how to

0:36:49make that funny but the bass I came at

0:36:51it totally as a hack where it's like

0:36:52okay I understand all these strings are

0:36:53pretty much the same as the lower four

0:36:55strings I can figure that out and then I

0:36:57figured out how to roughly emulate

0:36:58something that wasn't don't wasn't doing

0:37:00a Ramones I wasn't trying to do just

0:37:01what the guitar part was right and then

0:37:04you know as again as a fan of who

0:37:05screwed you I started loving that idea

0:37:07of like counter posing what the bass is

0:37:09doing melodically with the guitar but I

0:37:12still came at it with the way of

0:37:13thinking I think there's a guitar way of

0:37:15thinking and a bass way of thinking and

0:37:17I think they're worried I think they're

0:37:18very different you approach the

0:37:20instrument your role and the

0:37:22capabilities and the place and the song

0:37:24are very different from comparing

0:37:27between a natural bass player and

0:37:29natural guitar player yes that may sound

0:37:31ridiculously obvious until you listen to

0:37:33some guy who picked up bass over the

0:37:35weekend like you like you had to do one

0:37:37time right so no musician would

0:37:42disagree with what you just said but I

0:37:44think most lay people are not aware of

0:37:46how massively different the two

0:37:49instruments are their role is

0:37:51complementary but really a base is

0:37:53closer to drums than it is to a guitar

0:37:54and it's amazing to me that there are

0:37:58lead singers who are bass players

0:38:01because the two things mmm like playing

0:38:04guitar and singing is very natural

0:38:06you're you're throwing the chords down

0:38:09in piles and you're building you know

0:38:13you're building the Lego structure of

0:38:14the song and you're singing in the in

0:38:17between your strums kind of you know

0:38:19you're like and here I go strumming and

0:38:21the strumming and singing in an

0:38:23instrument and I'm singing in and but

0:38:27the bass isn't doing that all you know

0:38:29the bass is like I am holding it down

0:38:32here with the kick drum and to sing over

0:38:37that is SuperDuper different

0:38:39and and you know you see it lead singer

0:38:43bass guys sting and Geddy Lee and Paul

0:38:47McCartney Jack blades Jack blades name

0:38:51[Music]

0:38:53it was yeah Jack blades was he's the see

0:38:57the basis I think Kelly Keegan Kelly

0:38:59Keegan Kelly Kelly Kelly

0:39:01I think Keegan Keegan Michael Kelly

0:39:03Keegan Michael Kelly I think was that

0:39:04was the drummer you got he got brake

0:39:06blanket on home alone

0:39:08which one took job alone one Joe Joe

0:39:11Pesci Joe Pesci Joe Pesci was in a band

0:39:15he was in a band with but he was in a

0:39:17band with somebody else he was in band

0:39:18with like a Joe Montana at one point I

0:39:20think are you telling me Joe Pesci was

0:39:21at home alone your are your guests

0:39:25letting me know I've never seen home

0:39:27alone what it had it had Jodie Foster

0:39:31Wallace i fostered army was a funny name

0:39:39mr. Wallace is a terrific name it was in

0:39:44Joey D and the starlighter's hmm

0:39:47no no this is back in the day and who

0:39:50was he in with this he was in this with

0:39:51somebody else who's famous and it's like

0:39:55it's like a Joe

0:39:56yeah I'm taking off your topic of base

0:39:58yeah yeah well when I started playing

0:40:02the bass as we've recorded this story

0:40:05before of my like jumping into the base

0:40:09as an epic story but I didn't have to

0:40:12sing lead I only had to sing harmony and

0:40:14that's easier it's easier to just be

0:40:16like ah it's very hard for me to play

0:40:21the bass properly and and sing because I

0:40:27just because it's certainly my own songs

0:40:29I did not write them or around the

0:40:31ability to do that

0:40:33and at one point we always were have we

0:40:35always had a hard time figuring out how

0:40:37to play blue diamonds on tour around you

0:40:41switch parts we'd switch around cuz the

0:40:43piano part on that song is not difficult

0:40:46but it's sort of sig singly a thing that

0:40:51I would write and do it's not a thing

0:40:53that you'd say like hey piano player

0:40:54here you go bomp bomp ed above it's just

0:40:57not like a normal it's it's a piano part

0:41:00written by somebody that doesn't really

0:41:02play the piano and so it was we could

0:41:05never figure out how to how to recreate

0:41:06it on stage and so what we ended up

0:41:10doing at one point was I played the bass

0:41:13Erik Corson played the guitar and we

0:41:16just eliminated the piano and I was so

0:41:20terrible at the base we did this for an

0:41:22entire tour I never figured out how to

0:41:24do it and in fact a critic from The

0:41:27Village Voice came to our show in New

0:41:28York and said in the review bar where

0:41:32there's a great band lead singer can't

0:41:34play the bass oh boy

0:41:36but uh put that hasn't Chopin smoked

0:41:39fortunately he only tries to do it once

0:41:42yeah well I I deserved it I deserved it

0:41:47can play your mind

0:41:48kaboom yeah so Joe Pesci was in a band

0:41:54he was friends with Frankie Valli ah and

0:41:58so he was in a band I'm not seeing the

0:42:00name of the pin he was in a band with

0:42:01Frank Vincent so do you remember the

0:42:03movie Goodfellas yes when he says get

0:42:05your shine box yeah that actor

0:42:08was in a band with with a Joseph

0:42:12Pechersky yeah she yep there's photos Oh

0:42:16whose photos go search for Joe Pesci

0:42:18band well I think that she probably

0:42:21means fish that's what I'm gonna guess

0:42:24mm-hmm - fish fish

0:42:29Choi fish

0:42:30it's a it's a Sicilian message it means

0:42:34joy sleeps with the fishes

0:42:36he's Joyce sings with his co-star actor

0:42:42Joe Pesci yeah I didn't know that he was

0:42:45in a show called star time kids oh that

0:42:48was that kids cartoon show by James

0:42:50Brown start time babies look at them

0:42:58they're so amazing their mustaches are

0:43:00so moustachy high now that looks like

0:43:02Tony Orlando is that Tony Orlando

0:43:04oh the two guy it's a Joe Pesci and then

0:43:10Tony Orlando and then dawn but Don it's

0:43:13like the dawn that's funny

0:43:16I like yeah you know what that said my

0:43:19brother my brother and me Joe that yeah

0:43:20that's fun that's yeah yeah it's not a

0:43:25disrespectful thing it's it's

0:43:27self-preservation you got to know what

0:43:28you're in for with these people and this

0:43:30is not to say that every guitar player I

0:43:31mean guitar players mm-hmm if you're

0:43:34just the guitar player even if you like

0:43:35a really good guitar player mm-hmm see I

0:43:38I feel like this is already problematic

0:43:40a lot of what we're saying hmm you know

0:43:50when you watch the Metallica documentary

0:43:54if you were me and you thought you knew

0:43:56what worked in Metallica mm-hmm yeah you

0:43:59know how do you think things worked in

0:44:01Metallica well I bought into the guitar

0:44:04for the practicing musician idea the

0:44:07Kirk Hammett was a wonderful gift that

0:44:09was brought to Metallica who had no idea

0:44:10really what they were doing before then

0:44:12no I mean that's not entirely true but

0:44:14when you think of who in the 80's and

0:44:1690's unimpeachably who is the guitar

0:44:19wizard and probably controlling cool

0:44:22a Metallica if you had to say who in the

0:44:25mythology it would that be James

0:44:28Hetfield really see I came up thinking

0:44:30that it was always Kirk Hammett Kirk

0:44:31Kirk Hammett was always the one getting

0:44:33before the YouTube age we could go in

0:44:35and see who actually plays what parts

0:44:36and does what you know we had Clues we

0:44:39we well we had quizzes you you are

0:44:42talking to pure crazy right now I now I

0:44:44know that because I've seen that you

0:44:46documentary and I've watched the YouTube

0:44:47I knew it but the craziness that you are

0:44:50you are talking pure crazy and I would

0:44:52have said that in 1984 Kirk Hammett yeah

0:44:56what was I think he knows I think a lot

0:44:59of times he doesn't know what key it's

0:45:00in no he was always a dingaling every

0:45:02and everything was played by James James

0:45:05Hetfield well my understanding is that

0:45:08James is the guy who really brings the

0:45:11personality and sound that makes

0:45:13metallica metallica and his rhythm

0:45:15guitar playing is monstrously good which

0:45:19is all of the song that's yes and then

0:45:21you got this guy over here and he's got

0:45:22a block of cheese and he's grating it in

0:45:25some kind of Phrygian mode but he might

0:45:27be a couple of frets off and he just

0:45:29gets a little squiggly seems to fade

0:45:33away you get to the end of that boy and

0:45:35he's he's doing his shredding and it's

0:45:38it gets a little low raga my Mike my

0:45:42experience of Metallica and this is than

0:45:45this I think was every every true

0:45:48because you weren't metal is the thing I

0:45:50would not know I mean it wasn't like a

0:45:53denim jacket guy but I deeply love mini

0:45:55metal bands yes

0:45:57but myself a metalhead I would call

0:45:59myself a college rock guy you were a

0:46:01college rock god that's right and but

0:46:03you were not a denim jacket guy I mean

0:46:07start but like going back up some iron

0:46:09Iron Maiden and Metallica and some Judas

0:46:12Priest and whatever and then into the

0:46:1580s like whatever was on headbangers

0:46:17ball like that's a little later but like

0:46:20no I mean I genuinely like I told you

0:46:21before about my friend Phil and maybe

0:46:23this mixtape of a metal mixtape in 1985

0:46:26- changed my life

0:46:26and had so much great metal stuff on and

0:46:28Steve Lyon open all these doors to go

0:46:30beyond what I knew of as classic rock

0:46:32and that's where I first heard whiplash

0:46:34and

0:46:34shirt fade to black and like you know

0:46:36the trap does rice and all that stuff

0:46:38when you went to through that huge

0:46:40accept phase we were just like all I

0:46:42want to hear is except I believe his

0:46:49name is but I know the singer except who

0:46:54Dirkschneider there were two good

0:46:55musicians in Metallica oh boy too bad

0:46:58musicians in Metallica

0:47:00I think we're probably gonna you know

0:47:02what we're gonna get a lot ladders on

0:47:03this one we're gonna get a lot of

0:47:05letters confirming that there are two

0:47:06good was not really playing drums he was

0:47:12beating on a phone book when you accept

0:47:13the tonality of injustice for all and

0:47:15realized that he was playing on a yellow

0:47:16pages I'll you know you really

0:47:17appreciate that boy could really play

0:47:19some yellow pages it feels like a Bing

0:47:21will ships an album that sounds like

0:47:23that James Hetfield was a person and

0:47:27this happens in music a lot of the time

0:47:29where he's very loyal to his friend his

0:47:32friend was there from the beginning his

0:47:34friend was there as friends started it

0:47:37with him and when the and when you're

0:47:40first starting a band you start a band

0:47:42with whoever's standing around how's it

0:47:44else you know were they from oh yeah

0:47:47something like he's ballet I guess they

0:47:49technically every buddy says they're

0:47:50from LA they're from San Francisco I

0:47:53thought they're from these bands out

0:47:54there from like El Cerrito my thinking I

0:47:55ccr know CCR's from LA what no teleca's

0:48:01from San Francisco but they live they

0:48:05live in fancy Robin Williams houses now

0:48:07but I think they're from I think that

0:48:09for me is BAE well no they I think they

0:48:12are from the East Bay before we Los

0:48:15Angeles in late 1981 when Danish born

0:48:18drummer Lars Ulrich placed an

0:48:19advertisement in the recycler you're

0:48:23saying that Metallica started in LA and

0:48:26then moved to San Francisco them is

0:48:28being from the Oakland area Wow

0:48:31see I don't know I'm really confusing

0:48:33now then we're CCR from I swear to Clara

0:48:35from LA I think come on really yeah

0:48:38how'd that get on the Zant's label

0:48:40that's like good east babe hmm

0:48:42this is really upsetting to me I'm

0:48:44taking you on four point you're gonna

0:48:45tell me about friendship

0:48:46Elsa no see

0:48:48see ours from El Cerrito from the area

0:48:51oh isn't that interesting

0:48:52okay oh well what do you know we have

0:48:56looked around we have that flipped

0:48:58around you know metallic is from El now

0:49:01what about green day the Green Day ban

0:49:03aren't they from like mostly see ours

0:49:04from East Bay Ocala is from LA every day

0:49:08is from no way we're providing mnemonics

0:49:18for future CCR is to East Bay as

0:49:21Metallica is to LA okay okay and journey

0:49:26journey city by the bay started out as a

0:49:30song about la haha did you know that I

0:49:33didn't know that yeah when let's go down

0:49:36the city and the Sun shines on LA and

0:49:38then they flipped it around it took and

0:49:42they turned is what they did

0:49:43well everybody at these terrible 49ers

0:49:46games that aren't even in the city of

0:49:47San Francisco and they're singing along

0:49:48on these songs their song about la

0:49:51jumpers it's much better song about

0:49:53about San Francisco that would have been

0:49:55about la about it already I know the

0:49:59thing is James Hetfield he started this

0:50:02band with this guy cuz the guy started

0:50:05the band apparently Lars was the one

0:50:06that put the ad in who put in the

0:50:07recycler that was him and James was like

0:50:10a teenager and he said yeah sure and

0:50:12then and I'm sure Lars is Danish this

0:50:14was kind of exotic at the time you know

0:50:17it's very metal to be from Denmark

0:50:18Denmark is one of the more metal

0:50:20countries that the dansk is is a very

0:50:25metal and they're not as metal as in

0:50:27Czechoslovakia well James had to know

0:50:37that Lars was an albatross he was a

0:50:39lodestone but he was a he's a man to

0:50:43moil t matters but when they got kirk

0:50:46hammett the only thing that he can do is

0:50:51play a million notes those notes are non

0:50:55melodic those notes are in my estimation

0:50:58as a musician nonsensical

0:51:00yeah he's there he's there Jimmy page a

0:51:02little bit and as far what yeah

0:51:05what do you mean Jimmy pages of genius

0:51:07oh so much Blues so many losses oh my

0:51:12gosh he has so many blues 'as he he's a

0:51:15sloppy cheapskate is what he is he's

0:51:17sloppy yes because he's feeling the

0:51:19blues so intense it's the blues yes he'd

0:51:22be so blue

0:51:23what's John Paul Jones feeling because I

0:51:25think I'm feeling what he feels John

0:51:27Paul Jones is thinking about higher math

0:51:30he's on different maths yeah he's like

0:51:33Tom Schultz he's like salts whose home

0:51:42is destroyed in the recent recent fires

0:51:44r.i.p oh no real oh no that's terrible

0:51:47John it's terrible wait I can't get into

0:51:49that that's just too sad no bummers

0:51:50Charles Schultz's home we're all great

0:51:53laughs

0:51:54rameneh PBP grew all the peanuts there

0:51:56Oh

0:51:58so anyway friendship is important and I

0:52:02think you could agree the Jimmy Page

0:52:04really dragged the band down and a lot

0:52:06of points about Paige being sloppy which

0:52:11is true yes is a it's a bonus that's a

0:52:15blessing

0:52:15it is a blessing because he was he's not

0:52:18he was competing with Emerson Lake &

0:52:20Project the the Emerson Lincoln project

0:52:27era because that's where a lot of people

0:52:31encoded is that the word for about prog

0:52:36rock and it's easy to forget this really

0:52:38good book by Dave waggle about prog rock

0:52:39that's very very good

0:52:40and about the culture of prog rock that

0:52:42continues today mostly on cruise ships

0:52:43but just me forget about this era how

0:52:46influential all that stuff was at the

0:52:48time that's what people aspire to you

0:52:49they wanted to be freaking King Crimson

0:52:51one that's why punk rock had to come

0:52:53along that's that's what they say that's

0:52:55what this one shows that's what they say

0:52:58that's what flea says when they cut to

0:52:59him at the in every document about every

0:53:02classroom in John what does Chuck

0:53:03Klosterman have to say would he be able

0:53:06to come in and give an opinion do you

0:53:07think I put a few words down Martin

0:53:09Scorsese would there be an opportunity

0:53:10for him to be sitting in a chair in his

0:53:12little theater and be able to

0:53:14because you know Isaac is very important

0:53:15to Martin Scorcese he would it would

0:53:20have another opportunity for ya /

0:53:24opining and for for a girl to also be

0:53:27there Oh Dave football with a big smile

0:53:30and he'd say something very charming and

0:53:32everybody would agree I watched his

0:53:33documentary on Netflix now here's

0:53:35another thing is I was watching a

0:53:36program on Netflix and they played a

0:53:39song that I must have heard before

0:53:41because I had physical I used to make

0:53:43out to Physical Graffiti in high school

0:53:44and I owned an LP copy of it in college

0:53:47and I listened to it like fairly often I

0:53:49remember the song in the light the song

0:53:51in the light is a very very good song I

0:53:54had to hear it on a Netflix television

0:53:57streaming program - really really she

0:53:58ate it it was really really good and I

0:54:00hear a song like that I hear a cashmere

0:54:03I hear a song like that and I think I

0:54:04think that's all John Paul Jones oh my

0:54:07god I think I think I think Jimmy's just

0:54:09just Jim is just sitting there counting

0:54:11shekels he shows up he puts on a cape he

0:54:14borrows a cape from Rick Wakeman he

0:54:16shows up and he just he plays some

0:54:17sloppy pentatonix for 10 minutes bananas

0:54:21really you are literally banana took him

0:54:24that live Ron album or both or neither I

0:54:26feel like John Paul Jones clearly a

0:54:29genius clearly a great great great

0:54:33player he's a good is he game no in the

0:54:37sense that like I think he genuinely

0:54:39loves music as he doing I don't think

0:54:43he's he's there to pull birds

0:54:45necessarily to make shekels I think he's

0:54:47partly there just out of a genuine love

0:54:48of how nurten notes on a page like turn

0:54:50into something beautiful but this is the

0:54:52problem he's Rana Klee tragically

0:54:55underused in Led Zeppelin mm-hmm because

0:54:58I do not think he was given the mandate

0:55:02at least very under-recognized I think

0:55:05his tastefulness and like in some ways

0:55:07maybe I don't say he was the pall of the

0:55:09band but I think it's some ways he

0:55:10brought things to that band that made

0:55:12them so much more than what they

0:55:13previously been capable of and will just

0:55:15read it so like he's the piano player or

0:55:17like he played the air bow here or

0:55:18whatever he's very good but he didn't he

0:55:21was not empowered because it wasn't his

0:55:24band that's true if there's if there's

0:55:25anybody in that band that's a hired gun

0:55:27it's him and I don't think that I do not

0:55:31think that the magic of Led Zepplin that

0:55:33you are hearing and attributing to John

0:55:35Paul Jones is actually coming from the

0:55:38fountain of John Paul Jones I mean he

0:55:41does a great job at the things that he

0:55:43does that he he kills those things that

0:55:47were handed to him and I wish that he

0:55:50had had more authority in the band

0:55:52because I know you're doing that thing

0:55:55you're saying okay what did they

0:55:55actually put on the screen like let's

0:55:57set aside all the Chuck Klosterman

0:55:58ization of this like what actually

0:56:00happened in terms of what made it onto

0:56:02the final yeah I don't think that that

0:56:04in the room those moments where where

0:56:08the other dudes

0:56:09we're probably page said okay and then

0:56:12then all this needs to get done and he

0:56:15pushed the big platter of hot turkey

0:56:18dinner over and said like I don't want

0:56:20to think or think about this or do this

0:56:21okay it came back to him like absolutely

0:56:26perfectly done like all that PA all that

0:56:28keyboard stuff it's all him like he's

0:56:30super big is that I think he's the

0:56:32flautist

0:56:33he's the flautist but Jimmy Page stole

0:56:38the chord progression for stairway to

0:56:40heaven but I think it's John Paul Jones

0:56:41that made it work I'm sorry this is

0:56:45fraud we can't put this out there's no

0:56:48way page is the page is the one that is

0:56:51coming up with all the riffs all the t's

0:56:54that you think he's like the Pete

0:56:55Townsend in the band uh yeah well I mean

0:57:00the you because you know about his you

0:57:02know page was like hot session guy he

0:57:06was hot session guy he was a Yardbird

0:57:09Donovan's magic carpet ride I think he

0:57:16played on I think he played on a king

0:57:18song possibly even you really got me

0:57:20it's disputed whether his track made it

0:57:22on to the final but he was on some early

0:57:24Kings singles I think and I you know and

0:57:26he was in the Beatles right yeah he's

0:57:29considered the seventh Beatle seventh

0:57:30Beatle the seventh son of the seventh

0:57:32son mm-hmm that's where the Iron Maiden

0:57:35album comes from there are two good

0:57:38musicians in Led Zeppelin

0:57:41mm-hmm and there are two people who

0:57:46owned Led Zeppelin and made it and made

0:57:49everything and now you're into a Jean

0:57:51and Paul type situation there are two

0:57:53right people in Led Zeppelin who died

0:57:56yes there are two but none of these twos

0:57:59overlap wait I was up one time uh Frank

0:58:05Frank Frank Zeppelin right yeah he died

0:58:08early he's like one he's the Nell Aspen

0:58:10all it's banned he's like the eighth or

0:58:12ninth member of Led Zeppelin he's like

0:58:13the piano player of the Rolling Stones

0:58:15who was in the Rolling Stones from the

0:58:16very beginning but she had a certain

0:58:17Jimmy Stone yeah yeah certain point he

0:58:20got he got put behind the curtain yeah

0:58:21you drive himself an electric bathtub I

0:58:24think that's what happen easily played

0:58:26that pretty ovation teardrop guitar

0:58:27piano uh Rolling Stone

0:58:31it gathers no moss but also a Rolling

0:58:33Stone electric bathtub was actually a

0:58:36great band that's a terrific band yeah

0:58:38no I'm saying that there is there was a

0:58:43guy mm-hmm not Brian Jones talk about

0:58:49it's not not Ian mcLaughlin but one of

0:58:52those it was a piano boy in the Rolling

0:58:54Stones yeah yeah the piano key on please

0:58:58I'm just kissing names at this point no

0:59:00it's Ian Stewart Ian Stewart and he's

0:59:03not he's not the guy from that English

0:59:05band the other English band that's the

0:59:06guy my thing I think it'd be in swayin

0:59:08Stewart Ian

0:59:09who's the guy hits you with your rhythm

0:59:11stick that's Ian Dury he was thinking of

0:59:15Ian Ian McKellen you McCallum Ian

0:59:21McDermott eita Mederma no Roni Ian Loog

0:59:25Oldham Ian Lou gold and he's the one

0:59:27that got sampled by that fan who knocks

0:59:28people down walking down the street

0:59:30that's right all their money money right

0:59:34cuz they got Peter Allen to be their

0:59:36manager that's the guy guys was married

0:59:37to Liza Minnelli and he stole all their

0:59:38rights wasn't that him uh it was the was

0:59:41he married to Liza Minnelli Peter Allen

0:59:43Peter Allen and my baby smiles at me

0:59:45y'all go to Rio who's the guy who stole

0:59:47all the money he said look look look

0:59:48look you guys you're not you're not

0:59:49getting paid right I'm gonna set this

0:59:51straight no that was uh that was dude

0:59:53man it was

0:59:54I was fun his name was Alan fun no it

0:59:59was

0:59:59was

1:00:00Morty it was no I think you're right I

1:00:06think your friendship a friendship is

1:00:08very important but you have to know

1:00:09where to draw the line like say for

1:00:10example you let's just say

1:00:12hypothetically you knew a drummer who

1:00:13really wanted a mistake no please no

1:00:15right right

1:00:16it was that's like Allen Funt yeah Allen

1:00:22Funt doer no I'm talking about Ian

1:00:24Stewart who do you know this story no he

1:00:27was a founding member of the Rolling

1:00:31Stones

1:00:31from the very beginning when they all

1:00:34met on a railroad platform and Mick

1:00:37Jagger was like a platform in economics

1:00:40school that make one economics - he's

1:00:42like hey is that a Muddy Waters record

1:00:43and best pals and they for me is news to

1:00:59me I thought I thought that they meant

1:01:01that a corps Eamon show were Mick had

1:01:03been doing some kind of an undergraduate

1:01:05thesis

1:01:06yeah and Keith of course was a pirate at

1:01:08the time yeah splitting splitting a fact

1:01:11as they were splitting effect okay so

1:01:14this guy he and Stewart was a really

1:01:16really good musician and he was one of

1:01:20the Bros in the band and then Andrew

1:01:24Loog Oldham their original manager said

1:01:27in 1963 right before they became big he

1:01:31was like hey mate because that's how

1:01:34they talk to each other yeah you don't

1:01:36look right oh because he looks kind of

1:01:41like Huey Lewis or he looks like a bloke

1:01:46keyboardist and he really does not look

1:01:50like he's in the Rolling Stones he

1:01:52doesn't and so yes yes or non Rolling

1:01:55Stones shaped face like no matter what

1:01:57he did with his hair couldn't have done

1:01:58it

1:01:59he always was gonna look wrong and so he

1:02:02said and this is the one of the most

1:02:03amazing things I've ever heard he said

1:02:07okay I'll keep playing piano in the

1:02:11Rolling Stones

1:02:12over here Oh No just offstage and

1:02:18everybody was like great and then

1:02:21eventually he was like I'll carry the

1:02:23bags you guys you guys run on ahead and

1:02:27then pretty soon he was like he's like

1:02:30mal Evans meets a girl with a bag on her

1:02:32head that's not very nice

1:02:34he was the road manager okay like my

1:02:37goodness in whatever reason Bret and in

1:02:40whatever how he continued to be in the

1:02:43Rolling Stones and in their operation

1:02:46and continued to play the piano

1:02:47what he's doing is like straight up

1:02:49Cyrano in the wings like he's not a

1:02:52stage he's not acknowledged he's

1:02:53certainly not gonna be in bands photos

1:02:54he plays it on Beggars Banquet he plays

1:02:58on some girls he plays he plays on honky

1:03:02tonk woman he plays the piano oh my all

1:03:05the Rolling Stone songs until they

1:03:07started getting like you know Nicky

1:03:09Hopkins and Billy Preston and stuff to

1:03:11come do but he was those guys were all

1:03:16coming and doing like flashy bits over

1:03:19the top of his key piano that is on

1:03:24every Rolling Stones record so he is the

1:03:26bees in the bane on a heartbreaker none

1:03:29of us have ever heard of him

1:03:30because his face was wrong and Andrew

1:03:35Loog Oldham was like uh sorry I mean you

1:03:41still need a piano player but and you're

1:03:43great and so and it's another one of

1:03:46these you know if you put Keith Richards

1:03:48on a camera and you say like what do you

1:03:50think of Sheryl Crow Keith Richards be

1:03:53like Oh shallow crush she's a fag she's

1:03:56the brightest and so he's an he's in

1:04:01that category of offering a plot it's

1:04:03free in Stuart well no he would he'd be

1:04:05like Oh according to Dawood Aryan he was

1:04:08on honky tonk women look at that Stewart

1:04:10loaded gear into his van drove the group

1:04:11to gigs replaced guitar strings and set

1:04:14up Wasa's drums the way he himself would

1:04:15play them I never ever swore at him

1:04:17Watts says with rueful amazement ya

1:04:19never swore at him I never swore at him

1:04:22once I swore at everybody else

1:04:23is the implication well he

1:04:25reasons I'm sure everyone everyone else

1:04:26that ever setup my drums I swore out

1:04:28let's do heroin in France it'll be fun

1:04:30you guys can live on the other side of

1:04:31the island it'll be great I just I feel

1:04:34like I he played he played on the

1:04:37Rolling Stones best track which is under

1:04:39cover of the night Wow this may need to

1:04:43be a bonus episode Harlem shuffle the

1:04:54empirically greatest Rolling Stones song

1:04:56is rocks off Harlem shuffle and it's got

1:05:01that like it's got that's where we're

1:05:03learning that Brown now that's where I

1:05:04learned that yeah I disagree but yeah

1:05:06the sunshine towards the daylights out

1:05:08of me

1:05:08everyone is entitled to their thing

1:05:12that's the thing about the internet now

1:05:14the O opinion is different from any

1:05:16other all all animals are alike we're

1:05:23all on equal footing at this point I

1:05:24have what feels like at this point every

1:05:26opinion is the same that your fear

1:05:29feeling that rocks off is the best

1:05:31Rolling Stone song yeah

1:05:33which in the past would have been

1:05:35demonstrably false now that science

1:05:39doesn't matter anymore

1:05:40now that could be just as it could be

1:05:44taken as just as true as my opinion that

1:05:46sway is the greatest Rolling Stone song

1:05:48sway sway is a very good song which is

1:05:52totally true unimpeachably that's got a

1:05:55groove it's got a groove to it oh oh

1:05:57breaks my heart still every time yeah

1:06:00and it feels like they're playing like a

1:06:01little bit behind the beat a little bit

1:06:03it's got a what girl songs dance some

1:06:06good songs they had some good songs for

1:06:08sure

1:06:08The Rolling Stones did yeah they do well

1:06:10I yeah you know there are no Beatles

1:06:14well now now what about nobody's there

1:06:18no Hitler they're somewhere in between

1:06:19what about Roger Daltrey's inferiority

1:06:21complex

1:06:22do you ever dwell on that I think it is

1:06:24justified okay

1:06:28maybe it right there