Roderick on the Line

Ep. 262: "He Never Swore"


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00:00:21   Ferro hi John [TS]

00:00:24   hi Merlin how's it going everything's [TS]

00:00:32   great [TS]

00:00:33   it's so great everything's fine [TS]

00:00:37   remain calm all as well I got my bacon [TS]

00:00:42   number today oh you're making them no [TS]

00:00:44   this is boring stuff but I've struggled [TS]

00:00:46   I struggle with my computer machine Oh [TS]

00:00:48   your computer yeah you know I have a [TS]

00:00:52   computer here yeah is that right yeah [TS]

00:00:54   but I I felt like I needed another one [TS]

00:00:57   oh now I'm he's got my attention and so [TS]

00:01:00   I was like I've got the laptop which [TS]

00:01:04   already has more computing power than [TS]

00:01:06   all the computers that sent us to the [TS]

00:01:09   moon and I'll never use it I'll never [TS]

00:01:13   use any of that competing power I've [TS]

00:01:14   always felt with the computers that I [TS]

00:01:16   look at it it's you know it's this world [TS]

00:01:18   of potential that I'll never exploit I'm [TS]

00:01:21   just I'm just using word star but I got [TS]

00:01:28   this laptop and I didn't want it just [TS]

00:01:30   felt like it was a it was the special [TS]

00:01:32   box that I had the special things in but [TS]

00:01:34   I mean it like a big box that I put [TS]

00:01:36   other stuff in whoa and I wanted it to [TS]

00:01:40   be you know like that one that I used to [TS]

00:01:42   have that everybody laughed at me from [TS]

00:01:43   2005 it was a big box it had stuff in it [TS]

00:01:47   yeah [TS]

00:01:47   so I was over at my friend Jason Finn [TS]

00:01:50   the drummer of the presidents the United [TS]

00:01:52   States of America's house and he had [TS]

00:01:56   this uh this Apple sitting there and I [TS]

00:02:00   said what are you doing with that he's [TS]

00:02:02   like oh you know cleaning up getting it [TS]

00:02:03   out of here he said I've got a laptop so [TS]

00:02:06   I don't need that anymore and I was like [TS]

00:02:11   hmm he said oh okay for a steak dinner [TS]

00:02:20   interesting so just sitting there doing [TS]

00:02:23   nothing for him it's just sitting there [TS]

00:02:25   doing nothing and he said it'll probably [TS]

00:02:27   take one more upgrade like it'll [TS]

00:02:30   probably it's not brand new [TS]

00:02:33   right but it's still useful for the for [TS]

00:02:36   the big box that I need that I feel like [TS]

00:02:38   it need tabletop box so he said doesn't [TS]

00:02:44   have a keyboard or anything you're gonna [TS]

00:02:45   have to do that yourself [TS]

00:02:48   and you know you taught me to buy those [TS]

00:02:50   solar-powered keyboards so I went I went [TS]

00:02:53   on to the online and I got one of those [TS]

00:02:54   sent to me and I went downtown to the [TS]

00:02:58   fancy coz Jason's like I don't know it's [TS]

00:03:00   got to be a good steak dinner went down [TS]

00:03:02   to the fancy steak house at lunch I walk [TS]

00:03:06   in he's sitting there with this computer [TS]

00:03:07   on the table like like some real suave [TS]

00:03:12   guys doing slick handoff but in the [TS]

00:03:17   interim I remembered that I had found a [TS]

00:03:20   little bag that I had been meaning to [TS]

00:03:23   give to Jason which was a special bag [TS]

00:03:26   and I know how you feel about special [TS]

00:03:28   bags you know how I feel about special [TS]

00:03:30   Jason Jason feels this way too this was [TS]

00:03:34   a bag many many many years ago KEXP our [TS]

00:03:37   local alternative radio station gave [TS]

00:03:41   away a messenger bag as a bonus if you [TS]

00:03:45   donated some big amount of money okay [TS]

00:03:50   you got this messenger bag and we all [TS]

00:03:53   got them all the rock musicians at the [TS]

00:03:55   time got these bags they were bright [TS]

00:03:58   orange they said KEXP on them some [TS]

00:04:02   people really and you know it was big [TS]

00:04:04   enough to put a put a stack of 12-inch [TS]

00:04:06   records in it this is like a Timbuktu [TS]

00:04:07   bag nope no it was just it's actually I [TS]

00:04:11   mean in my personal opinion kind of look [TS]

00:04:13   it has zero features it's just like a [TS]

00:04:15   it's just a bag made out of you know bag [TS]

00:04:19   made out bag that's KEXP honors bright [TS]

00:04:22   orange a lot of people took these bags [TS]

00:04:26   as their kind of signature at the time [TS]

00:04:28   Nabeel our drummer had one I had a [TS]

00:04:32   couple of them you know it's the bag you [TS]

00:04:35   throw some stuff in but it never didn't [TS]

00:04:37   it didn't mean that much emotionally to [TS]

00:04:39   me so I was going through I was going [TS]

00:04:42   through bags the other about a month ago [TS]

00:04:45   and I opened up a bag BIGBANG it was [TS]

00:04:49   full of bags like dougie and I was like [TS]

00:04:52   oh look at this look at that I pulled [TS]

00:04:54   out a pulled out a bag out of there [TS]

00:04:55   opened it up it had bags and and inside [TS]

00:05:00   that bag was one of these orange KEXP [TS]

00:05:04   bags that I hadn't seen in a long time [TS]

00:05:06   it was in perfect condition [TS]

00:05:08   Jason was one of these people that had [TS]

00:05:11   that KEXP bag and he took it everywhere [TS]

00:05:13   he wore his into the ground he wore out [TS]

00:05:16   he wore out this bag sounds keep really [TS]

00:05:19   bonded with the bag he the bag meant so [TS]

00:05:21   much to him and after he'd blown out [TS]

00:05:24   this bag he actually you know he made a [TS]

00:05:26   kind of stink about it around town like [TS]

00:05:28   he went to KEXP he said why don't you [TS]

00:05:31   guys make this bag again and they were [TS]

00:05:33   like that's from ten years ago and he [TS]

00:05:34   said I know but it's the best like could [TS]

00:05:36   you make this bag just like make just a [TS]

00:05:39   landfill at a special level nobody would [TS]

00:05:43   accommodate him and I knew he was [TS]

00:05:46   brokenhearted that he they couldn't [TS]

00:05:48   replace this bag so I'm down there and [TS]

00:05:51   I'm like surprised I brought you the [TS]

00:05:56   like unobtainium bag hmm [TS]

00:05:59   oh he gets all teary-eyed he hugs it to [TS]

00:06:05   himself like you know like a like his [TS]

00:06:07   childhood teddy bear but now we're in [TS]

00:06:10   this uncomfortable position where I've [TS]

00:06:12   given him something worth a lot more to [TS]

00:06:14   him than this dump computer he's giving [TS]

00:06:16   me and yet I'm still on the hook for [TS]

00:06:19   buying him mistake and this is a topic [TS]

00:06:23   that has not been broached overtly no he [TS]

00:06:26   still thinks there's mistake coming well [TS]

00:06:28   cuz I'm mr. surprise person right um mr. [TS]

00:06:32   surprise person you brought me a cello I [TS]

00:06:33   brought you a cello yeah I like [TS]

00:06:35   surprised I didn't ask for it [TS]

00:06:37   I'd like to say surprise hey I I was [TS]

00:06:42   thinking of you I got you this thing I [TS]

00:06:44   found this thing is what often happens I [TS]

00:06:47   found this thing I thought of you [TS]

00:06:48   surprised and Jason Jason you know like [TS]

00:06:54   I say like you tear in his eye but he's [TS]

00:06:56   also a stickler for the deal [TS]

00:06:58   a stickler for the deal we come adjacent [TS]

00:07:00   fin by just letting it slide he's heat [TS]

00:07:03   like you he is dealt with the guy in the [TS]

00:07:04   back room smoke on cigar and peeling off [TS]

00:07:06   the hundred dollar bills yes he knows [TS]

00:07:07   where he speaks he knows this whole like [TS]

00:07:10   oh you're negotiating the record [TS]

00:07:12   contract well we're giving you a 100 [TS]

00:07:15   percent control over the artwork in [TS]

00:07:18   exchange for ninety four percent of the [TS]

00:07:22   creative output Jason loves a lot of [TS]

00:07:26   people's favorite part really listen we [TS]

00:07:29   negotiated hard for this one hundred [TS]

00:07:32   percent control over the artwork and the [TS]

00:07:34   labels like fine kid Jason knows [TS]

00:07:38   so Jason sits down with his brand-new [TS]

00:07:40   bag [TS]

00:07:41   it's tear-stained bag tucks his napkin [TS]

00:07:44   into his shirt orders a $65 steak oh [TS]

00:07:48   that's a nice steak what was a nice [TS]

00:07:52   steak I have to say so good steak there [TS]

00:07:55   it's a good steak place not to be undone [TS]

00:07:58   of course I ordered it [TS]

00:07:59   $72 take myself you not meet a stone so [TS]

00:08:04   you know long story short I end up [TS]

00:08:07   footing the bill for for not a no small [TS]

00:08:10   amount of lunch I got this computer the [TS]

00:08:15   bag is gone the bag was not that was no [TS]

00:08:18   undue burden on me right I that's not [TS]

00:08:22   like I tearfully parted with the bag I [TS]

00:08:24   found that bag in a bag in a bag yeah [TS]

00:08:28   that's the complexity is you both were [TS]

00:08:31   in some way proffer of current super [TS]

00:08:35   value to yourself he was not using his [TS]

00:08:38   desktop computer machine and you were [TS]

00:08:40   right using the bag in a bag in a bag [TS]

00:08:41   right okay but now that we can all agree [TS]

00:08:45   on steak we can all agree that steak is [TS]

00:08:48   a is a medium of exchange but so anyway [TS]

00:08:53   now I have this computer this big [TS]

00:08:55   computer and now it is sitting here on [TS]

00:08:57   the table but I haven't plugged it in [TS]

00:09:00   yet so I'm doing this show on my laptop [TS]

00:09:02   all good okay but it's here I'm looking [TS]

00:09:05   at it it looks like it looks like an [TS]

00:09:07   apple doesn't have a Big Apple on the [TS]

00:09:09   front does and one on the back [TS]

00:09:11   back it's me it's big it's got its [TS]

00:09:13   silver it's um it's on a kind of stand [TS]

00:09:17   that looks like a paperclip [TS]

00:09:18   sulle you might have what's called an [TS]

00:09:20   iMac an iMac mm-hmm I think I do if I [TS]

00:09:24   had my druthers it's what I would be [TS]

00:09:26   recording on right now is that right yes [TS]

00:09:28   and circumstances I would be speaking to [TS]

00:09:31   you on my iMac what are you speaking to [TS]

00:09:34   me on right now a MacBook which is in [TS]

00:09:38   the parlance today in my circles [TS]

00:09:40   sometimes called the MacBook adorable [TS]

00:09:41   it's very very small and cute and mostly [TS]

00:09:44   useless unless your iMac is not working [TS]

00:09:47   and then you plug it in with mini mini [TS]

00:09:48   dongles and you talk to your friend on [TS]

00:09:50   the internet for a little while so he's [TS]

00:09:52   got your running dongles right now oh [TS]

00:09:54   I'm a dongle country this is one of [TS]

00:09:57   those part of that current spate of [TS]

00:09:59   Apple products that are really great as [TS]

00:10:01   long as you don't use them for anything [TS]

00:10:05   flawlessly in conditions where that you [TS]

00:10:07   don't try to do anything useful with [TS]

00:10:08   them huh yeah no in the iMac I don't [TS]

00:10:11   know how old your iMac is but like do [TS]

00:10:13   you have a rough idea like what are we [TS]

00:10:14   talk about orders of magnitude how old's [TS]

00:10:15   that thing well old enough that he [TS]

00:10:19   bought it and then used it long enough [TS]

00:10:21   that it was sitting on the table at his [TS]

00:10:23   house and he was like I gotta get rid of [TS]

00:10:25   this thing so three to five or more [TS]

00:10:27   years yeah yeah let's put it at let's [TS]

00:10:33   split the difference at four four and a [TS]

00:10:35   half years okay it's not really [TS]

00:10:38   splitting the difference but I that's my [TS]

00:10:39   guess let's just not begging the [TS]

00:10:41   question that one drives me crazy right [TS]

00:10:43   people say begging the question when [TS]

00:10:45   they really mean raising the question [TS]

00:10:46   yeah no that's not begging the question [TS]

00:10:49   mm-hmm what is your opinion about this [TS]

00:10:52   that's four years [TS]

00:10:53   what say it's four years old well I can [TS]

00:10:55   in the fullness of time I will give you [TS]

00:10:58   an idea what kind of deal you got on it [TS]

00:10:59   but the truth is that that is a computer [TS]

00:11:02   that unless it has some kind of problem [TS]

00:11:03   I mean it's sort of like you know Kramer [TS]

00:11:06   trading his radar detector to Newman for [TS]

00:11:11   the crash helmet and neither one of them [TS]

00:11:12   works right it becomes kind of sad Gift [TS]

00:11:15   of the Magi if that thing works you [TS]

00:11:17   might have something kind of good on [TS]

00:11:18   your hands that you can put on your mp3s [TS]

00:11:20   on isn't that kind of part of the deal [TS]

00:11:21   you want all your stuff on a thing I [TS]

00:11:22   want stuff on a thing but also [TS]

00:11:25   yeah like I I have a little bit of I [TS]

00:11:28   mean I don't have anywhere near the [TS]

00:11:30   computer attachment anxiety that [TS]

00:11:34   probably I'm guessing 99.9% of the [TS]

00:11:39   people listening to this program suffer [TS]

00:11:40   from they have a lot of feelings and so [TS]

00:11:43   like if my laptop got left somewhere or [TS]

00:11:46   if it got wiped or if it got stolen or [TS]

00:11:50   if it was you know or if god forbid [TS]

00:11:54   sat in the crackheads trunk for a year a [TS]

00:11:56   satyr crackheads drunk for a year or or [TS]

00:12:00   if he were to be shot by a policeman or [TS]

00:12:03   if he were to someone other unfortunate [TS]

00:12:08   you're seeing like a Theodore Roosevelt [TS]

00:12:09   type situation like you're up there [TS]

00:12:11   giving a speech and a gunman takes a [TS]

00:12:13   crack at you mm-hmm stops the bullet he [TS]

00:12:15   takes the blow you continue speaking cuz [TS]

00:12:17   you're all fuckin Theodore Roosevelt [TS]

00:12:18   that kind of saturation that's right I'm [TS]

00:12:20   shot by a bullet but i but i apprehend [TS]

00:12:23   the culprit first of all and then [TS]

00:12:25   continue with my speech never pausing [TS]

00:12:27   never pausing okay all right so that's [TS]

00:12:30   not I don't have that problem what I [TS]

00:12:32   just have is the problem of a [TS]

00:12:34   proliferation of boxes yeah but also [TS]

00:12:36   justice you want to make sure this is [TS]

00:12:38   just if you turn this thing on and it [TS]

00:12:41   has a bomb on it or something you know [TS]

00:12:43   like a sad sad face or something if it [TS]

00:12:45   doesn't work the hard drives busted or [TS]

00:12:46   something you know Oh we'll go Jason and [TS]

00:12:50   I will go back to the start oh yeah I'm [TS]

00:12:53   sure I mean I I don't want to get a get [TS]

00:12:55   head in front of our skis on this one [TS]

00:12:57   but you know Jason's an art dealer and [TS]

00:13:00   he has a drummer right so these are [TS]

00:13:04   things we need to keep in mind I don't I [TS]

00:13:06   don't want to cast aspersions we're [TS]

00:13:08   living in a more woke and learning time [TS]

00:13:11   and I don't want to just say things [TS]

00:13:12   about drummers even though we know it's [TS]

00:13:14   mostly true it's a cultural thing it's [TS]

00:13:16   it's it's not see I think it's a [TS]

00:13:19   difference in culture when you're [TS]

00:13:20   dealing with the drummer you're [TS]

00:13:21   absolutely right here absolutely not [TS]

00:13:23   that they're less intelligent or trust [TS]

00:13:27   the bull don't you think a lot of it is [TS]

00:13:31   how a drummer is raised you know it I [TS]

00:13:33   appreciate that you're trying to show [TS]

00:13:35   cultural sensitivity well I want to [TS]

00:13:37   become want to be culturally sensitive [TS]

00:13:38   I have never I've never walked in and [TS]

00:13:41   Romer shoes that's right and I imagine [TS]

00:13:43   they imagine they suffer a lot they're [TS]

00:13:44   the the brunt of a lot of jokes that are [TS]

00:13:46   very funny because they're true and [TS]

00:13:48   you're usually the least useful person [TS]

00:13:51   in the band including the bass player [TS]

00:13:52   I'm taken taken together mm-hmm [TS]

00:13:56   have you ever have to move your drummers [TS]

00:13:58   drums because they just weren't into it [TS]

00:13:59   they were talking to somebody doing a [TS]

00:14:07   lot of heavy lifting in my experience [TS]

00:14:08   the drummer's in like like a restroom [TS]

00:14:11   stall and can't figure out how to get [TS]

00:14:13   out there talking up a bird and you're [TS]

00:14:15   the one you're the one carrying the [TS]

00:14:16   floor toms if you know what I'm saying [TS]

00:14:18   you remember one I had a guy that didn't [TS]

00:14:21   have that didn't have cases for his [TS]

00:14:23   drums or cymbals because he didn't [TS]

00:14:25   believe in them he would carry each is [TS]

00:14:27   that part of the century John is that [TS]

00:14:29   sialic it's symbolic no no no okay no no [TS]

00:14:32   I think other drummers also that was [TS]

00:14:35   anomalous but but you're you're right [TS]

00:14:37   there's I mean this is the problem with [TS]

00:14:40   stereotypes there's a stereotype for a [TS]

00:14:41   reason huh and talk about that anymore [TS]

00:14:44   no you can't really it's impossible to [TS]

00:14:46   say everything that we used to be able [TS]

00:14:49   to say about drummers yes because it was [TS]

00:14:51   understood in the culture that we were [TS]

00:14:53   that we were not only just kidding [TS]

00:14:56   mm-hmm [TS]

00:14:57   but also that we were serious that we [TS]

00:14:59   were serious and it was true yeah I mean [TS]

00:15:01   it's a kind of kidding that's that's [TS]

00:15:02   very very serious and a lot of people [TS]

00:15:04   don't have to live with a drummer they [TS]

00:15:06   don't have to you know deal with a [TS]

00:15:08   drummer in a business standpoint or with [TS]

00:15:10   trying to keep a beat or any of those [TS]

00:15:12   kinds of things and also they wanted to [TS]

00:15:14   do they got their crash cymbal that's [TS]

00:15:15   made out of a you know out of a crosscut [TS]

00:15:17   saw and that's like a funny thing to [TS]

00:15:18   them they strap it on to a stand and [TS]

00:15:20   pretty soon you're carrying that out to [TS]

00:15:21   the van well there's their bathroom [TS]

00:15:24   there are drummers and then there are [TS]

00:15:26   drummer you know you talk about [TS]

00:15:28   percussionists well I'm talking about [TS]

00:15:30   you know like the difference between a [TS]

00:15:32   drummer like I know a drummer I know a [TS]

00:15:35   lot of drummers sure I'm friends with [TS]

00:15:37   drummer yeah well but then there are you [TS]

00:15:40   know then there are drummers that are [TS]

00:15:41   like right everybody knows what we're [TS]

00:15:44   talking about here [TS]

00:15:49   at some point here's the thing let's not [TS]

00:15:52   get ahead of ourselves you need to get [TS]

00:15:53   this thing rolling make sure it even [TS]

00:15:55   just even starts up right that's at [TS]

00:15:58   first tasks I'm looking at it here in [TS]

00:16:00   the in the side light and there's a [TS]

00:16:02   shuts on it and I specifically said to [TS]

00:16:05   him when he handed it over to me I was [TS]

00:16:07   like this thing's not covered with [TS]

00:16:08   schmutz is it it was like no no no no no [TS]

00:16:11   no I'm not which immediately like yes it [TS]

00:16:13   was but he's also very he's fastidious [TS]

00:16:15   enough that I think he sprayed it down [TS]

00:16:17   with a cleaner that's nice but there's a [TS]

00:16:21   there's like something on the screen [TS]

00:16:23   that won't rub off it's like a like a [TS]

00:16:26   damage like something it's not cracked [TS]

00:16:29   but it's like it's got some kind of a [TS]

00:16:33   physical artifact of some kind of damage [TS]

00:16:35   yeah it's got like a like it looks like [TS]

00:16:38   you know cuz it's a it's like it's made [TS]

00:16:40   out of the same stuff as my electric [TS]

00:16:43   stove your core Cory and stovetop stuff [TS]

00:16:47   yeah and it looks like somebody put a [TS]

00:16:48   pot down on it I would not say this I [TS]

00:16:53   wouldn't put that past the drummer if a [TS]

00:16:55   drummer made some beans and need a place [TS]

00:16:57   to put them I could see him putting his [TS]

00:16:59   his iMac off-axis and using as a kind of [TS]

00:17:02   a trivet how do we know that he didn't [TS]

00:17:12   computer machine [TS]

00:17:13   he was website and and he was like doing [TS]

00:17:15   about a paddle oh he probably does that [TS]

00:17:18   adds value because that's what they do [TS]

00:17:20   that on the dashboard of their car you [TS]

00:17:21   know you'll see that a lot yeah you'll [TS]

00:17:24   see that in traffic oh my I think that [TS]

00:17:25   this actually has a like well wait a [TS]

00:17:28   minute now I'm rub it I'm rubbing it [TS]

00:17:30   here no won't rub off careful you don't [TS]

00:17:33   get too many oils on there you should [TS]

00:17:35   get up you should get a product I like a [TS]

00:17:36   lot called woosh you can order this from [TS]

00:17:38   your retailer they're in town and whoosh [TS]

00:17:41   you get this nice bottle this is not an [TS]

00:17:43   endorsement but you get a retweets or [TS]

00:17:45   not endorsements but you get this bottle [TS]

00:17:47   of stuff called woosh and it comes with [TS]

00:17:48   what they call a microfiber cloth and [TS]

00:17:50   you go since it's you put a little bit [TS]

00:17:52   of wish on the microfiber cloth and then [TS]

00:17:54   you gently gently rub it off and that [TS]

00:17:56   will sometimes restore it to its [TS]

00:17:58   showroom shine [TS]

00:17:59   you did with your phone I did that with [TS]

00:18:01   all the devices the other day is this a [TS]

00:18:03   thing that I can just use this the [TS]

00:18:06   spritz and the microfiber cloth that I [TS]

00:18:09   get with the new pair of glasses [TS]

00:18:11   possibly there are products that are [TS]

00:18:13   made for electronic devices and I've [TS]

00:18:16   learned from friends of mine who have [TS]

00:18:18   been Jean I at the Apple store that you [TS]

00:18:20   want to not spritz directly onto the [TS]

00:18:22   surface of the screen you want to spritz [TS]

00:18:24   under the microfiber cloth not too much [TS]

00:18:25   not too little then you rub it off you [TS]

00:18:27   won't be real channel real so these [TS]

00:18:29   friends of yours or friends of ours Oh [TS]

00:18:31   mostly friends of mine I don't think you [TS]

00:18:33   know that minnijean I do you have you [TS]

00:18:34   ever met a Jean I do you know people who [TS]

00:18:36   were geniuses in the growth well I have [TS]

00:18:38   a friend who is a Corson he was a genius [TS]

00:18:41   right he was Eric was a genius not ever [TS]

00:18:44   at the MAC store and not ever at the [TS]

00:18:46   Apple store but at the MAC store hmm do [TS]

00:18:49   you remember before there were Apple [TS]

00:18:51   store oh yeah there were of course you [TS]

00:18:53   do they were authorized Mac stores they [TS]

00:18:55   would have a big neon Apple in the [TS]

00:18:56   window with colors and whatnot him yeah [TS]

00:18:58   but they also sold other things like [TS]

00:18:59   RadioShack yes they were independently [TS]

00:19:03   owned and operated they were like they [TS]

00:19:06   might have been likes I think you could [TS]

00:19:08   get like certified but they were doing [TS]

00:19:11   their own thing they still exist and [TS]

00:19:13   they're real weird [TS]

00:19:15   they were always weird it always felt [TS]

00:19:17   like there was a guy with a gray [TS]

00:19:19   ponytail mm-hmm who would like had an [TS]

00:19:22   apple 2e yeah there were a lot of there [TS]

00:19:26   were people like Eric Corson back in the [TS]

00:19:27   back doing Mac Mac attacks attacks yeah [TS]

00:19:32   back him back in the back of Mac tech [TS]

00:19:34   for Bobby the guy he's probably could be [TS]

00:19:38   a Gulf War vet but Bobby's the guy with [TS]

00:19:39   the ponytail and he's writing stuff yeah [TS]

00:19:41   and it was a great job for Eric because [TS]

00:19:44   he would say okay guys I'm going on tour [TS]

00:19:46   and they would take his like milk carton [TS]

00:19:51   that he sat on has also have detained [TS]

00:19:54   all of his stuff and they tuck it under [TS]

00:19:57   the under the workbench and the rest of [TS]

00:20:00   the guys would you know they were all [TS]

00:20:01   like back there were backpacking Mac [TS]

00:20:04   attack Mac attackers him and then he'd [TS]

00:20:06   come back to work a month later two [TS]

00:20:08   months later and they [TS]

00:20:10   milk carton upside-down and all his [TS]

00:20:13   tools will be in there and he'd sit down [TS]

00:20:15   and get back to work making Santa's toys [TS]

00:20:24   feel like any of them had anything [TS]

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00:22:00   line and all the great shows I would not [TS]

00:22:05   leave quarters or weed in the milk [TS]

00:22:09   carnival no I do that all the time I'm [TS]

00:22:11   like let's see I've got all these little [TS]

00:22:12   bits I am and I throw me the milk [TS]

00:22:14   cartons I'm taking people's quarters [TS]

00:22:18   yeah but so but yeah so the MAC store [TS]

00:22:24   god I remember the first Mac store I [TS]

00:22:27   went to it it felt like a ha felt like a [TS]

00:22:30   hobby place exactly there was was a big [TS]

00:22:32   one in town here on 6th on 6th Street I [TS]

00:22:34   believe called Mac Adam and that was [TS]

00:22:37   like it was it was the Valhalla of nerdy [TS]

00:22:39   hobbyist Apple store so they would have [TS]

00:22:41   software they would have hardware they [TS]

00:22:43   had many many kinds of devices if you [TS]

00:22:45   want to get a scuzzy 25 or scuzzy 50 you [TS]

00:22:47   go there you want to get an Ethernet [TS]

00:22:49   adapter that's where you go yeah but it [TS]

00:22:51   always felt kind of they felt kind of [TS]

00:22:53   shambling especially now compared to [TS]

00:22:54   what we think of as an Apple store [TS]

00:22:56   yeah the lighting was very dark and them [TS]

00:22:59   wasn't it and it was like there was [TS]

00:23:01   unfinished shingling carpeting often had [TS]

00:23:05   carpeting carpet carpeting in those in [TS]

00:23:07   the shells with holes in them like at a [TS]

00:23:09   hardware store an old hardware store yep [TS]

00:23:11   I have a friend here that is the [TS]

00:23:14   assistant manager he's either the [TS]

00:23:16   assistant to the regional manager or [TS]

00:23:18   these is the assistant regional manager [TS]

00:23:19   of an apple store at one of the big [TS]

00:23:24   malls here in the region oh wow [TS]

00:23:27   and so I will go visit him sometimes and [TS]

00:23:31   it used to be that it felt like I got a [TS]

00:23:36   friend in the diamond business and I'd [TS]

00:23:40   go and he doesn't have to wear the [TS]

00:23:44   t-shirt oh so he's like an enlisted man [TS]

00:23:48   he's a yeah like an officer he's an [TS]

00:23:51   officer he gets to wear a shirt with the [TS]

00:23:52   button-down collar that does not [TS]

00:23:53   indicate that he's a board member [TS]

00:23:56   okay and you know sometimes I'll go and [TS]

00:24:01   he won't be there and then I'll see him [TS]

00:24:02   walking the mall with with an employee [TS]

00:24:05   giving him giving the employee an [TS]

00:24:07   employee review so he's not like he's [TS]

00:24:12   not a low-level operative but he's [TS]

00:24:14   definitely at the level where if he [TS]

00:24:16   speaks to lord Vader he may get choked [TS]

00:24:19   at a distance yeah pray he doesn't alter [TS]

00:24:21   it further you're talking about second [TS]

00:24:22   lieutenant you know secondary well but [TS]

00:24:24   you know a left tenant like not oh I see [TS]

00:24:27   he's got like a riding crop in a [TS]

00:24:28   button-down shirt yeah maybe like a [TS]

00:24:30   jaunty beret [TS]

00:24:31   and it used to be that you could kind of [TS]

00:24:33   waltz in there and say like no to mean [TS]

00:24:36   nudge nudge [TS]

00:24:36   is your wife a goer yeah does she go and [TS]

00:24:39   he would it's not like he ever likes [TS]

00:24:43   Liddy anything oh but he'd say let me he [TS]

00:24:46   might crack your case without an [TS]

00:24:47   appointment [TS]

00:24:48   yeah he'd say let me facilitate that [TS]

00:24:49   okay like I like a friend in the diamond [TS]

00:24:53   business well me too oh that's nice to [TS]

00:24:55   know you know I'll get into a whole line [TS]

00:24:57   of business that I don't even care about [TS]

00:24:58   if I have a friend in it [TS]

00:25:00   well it certainly opens the door I mean [TS]

00:25:02   I'm like I collect diamonds when did you [TS]

00:25:04   start doing that oh I had a friend in [TS]

00:25:05   the diamond but tell me more don't care [TS]

00:25:07   about diamonds I just ice got into it [TS]

00:25:09   cuz it's nice to have a pal but the last [TS]

00:25:15   couple of times he's like yeah there's [TS]

00:25:17   been a big crackdown from HQ and we [TS]

00:25:19   don't do anything nice for anybody [TS]

00:25:20   anymore it's not a very fun place to [TS]

00:25:23   work right now but you're welcome to [TS]

00:25:24   come down watch me in please [TS]

00:25:27   yeah you always come down and be in the [TS]

00:25:29   store and get treated like a regular [TS]

00:25:31   person I mean he can still get me a [TS]

00:25:33   genius he can get me a genius to look at [TS]

00:25:35   my problem like without waiting for a [TS]

00:25:40   year that's it I think that part of it [TS]

00:25:41   like what's happening in the store I [TS]

00:25:43   don't want to go off on a rant here but [TS]

00:25:44   it is very ad hoc we're like I [TS]

00:25:46   fortunately not had that many occasions [TS]

00:25:48   where I had to take my computer in to [TS]

00:25:50   get looked at but I had a pretty good [TS]

00:25:52   record on what it was but you know might [TS]

00:25:54   be the logic board whatever but you take [TS]

00:25:55   it in and it is a Death March you got to [TS]

00:25:57   make an appointment it might be a week [TS]

00:25:59   before you get appointment and then you [TS]

00:26:00   go ahead and you still gotta wait it [TS]

00:26:02   might be an hour you're sitting there no [TS]

00:26:04   of course it's like a lot of it [TS]

00:26:07   historically has been somebody with an [TS]

00:26:09   ancient Mac that might even be out of [TS]

00:26:11   it's a lot like the coupon situation at [TS]

00:26:13   Walgreens or people in there and they're [TS]

00:26:14   like I can't go I don't know what [TS]

00:26:16   happened the photos on my iPad Mini and [TS]

00:26:18   like there's a you know and you're gonna [TS]

00:26:19   walk through all that but nowadays [TS]

00:26:20   they're having actual problems with [TS]

00:26:22   their products and it's not a very fun [TS]

00:26:24   place to work [TS]

00:26:25   oh they're new keyboards are like bad [TS]

00:26:28   and they're on the on the laptop so yeah [TS]

00:26:30   yeah this is a little bit inside [TS]

00:26:31   baseball but just to give you a feel for [TS]

00:26:33   this I've had friends that get like a [TS]

00:26:35   crumb or a hair or something in this [TS]

00:26:37   tiny little keyboard that has no key [TS]

00:26:39   travel how would you get a crumb or a [TS]

00:26:41   hair sometimes a person a sport [TS]

00:26:43   person has to eat what would you do [TS]

00:26:45   you'd be eating or something or having [TS]

00:26:47   hair you're reporting from the show [TS]

00:26:49   floor or something like that you're [TS]

00:26:51   having a dumpling but then they have to [TS]

00:26:53   go through these mandated these court [TS]

00:26:56   mandated tests that they gotta go [TS]

00:26:57   through and when the tiger gonna run the [TS]

00:26:59   Diagnostics John you gotta run the [TS]

00:27:01   Diagnostics come on you know I feel [TS]

00:27:04   about diagnostic Diagnostics tell you [TS]

00:27:06   nothing the diagnosis tell you the [TS]

00:27:07   Diagnostics don't found nothing I've got [TS]

00:27:09   six on my skype for a week now [TS]

00:27:11   have you turned up you're compiling a [TS]

00:27:14   lot of pee do that but then apparently [TS]

00:27:17   turns out one of the things that they [TS]

00:27:19   need to chew part of that once they've [TS]

00:27:21   run the I guess the like software [TS]

00:27:23   diagnostics and hardware diet then the [TS]

00:27:25   Geena genius goes through and has to hit [TS]

00:27:28   every key on the keyboard and see what [TS]

00:27:31   it does [TS]

00:27:31   no wonder it takes a week to get an [TS]

00:27:33   appointment those guys yeah exactly [TS]

00:27:36   haven't hasn't somebody I bet you [TS]

00:27:38   there's there is a rhotic on the line [TS]

00:27:40   listener who has already invented a [TS]

00:27:42   machine that hits every key on a [TS]

00:27:44   keyboard oh you know just for their own [TS]

00:27:46   amusement they've done it yeah [TS]

00:27:48   eventually they'll put it on Etsy but [TS]

00:27:50   for now it's just an articulated finger [TS]

00:27:52   that hits all the keys like I knew a kid [TS]

00:27:54   up here whose band was him and a bunch [TS]

00:27:59   of machines he built to play instruments [TS]

00:28:01   oh so it was regular it's nice to have a [TS]

00:28:03   friend it's a nice to have little robot [TS]

00:28:07   friends and I think he had like I think [TS]

00:28:10   he took chopsticks and put little little [TS]

00:28:13   like tissue paper on the end of them and [TS]

00:28:17   taught it how to play the piano oh and [TS]

00:28:19   it had machines and the one of them [TS]

00:28:22   played the bass I think and I don't I [TS]

00:28:25   saw it a couple of times that it was it [TS]

00:28:27   was phenomenal [TS]

00:28:28   I don't know I don't know how hard it [TS]

00:28:30   would be to tour cuz I think you had to [TS]

00:28:32   thank you to rebuild it every time I [TS]

00:28:36   mean isn't it fair to say that ever [TS]

00:28:37   since the 808 drummers have mostly been [TS]

00:28:39   optional it's mostly for optics that's [TS]

00:28:42   that's I have a little box that makes so [TS]

00:28:47   I'm a yeah I know you're a hobbyist [TS]

00:28:49   that's why I'm so popular little box [TS]

00:28:55   table music bye [TS]

00:28:57   you'd be daddy never sleeps at night for [TS]

00:29:04   the floor baby laughs this little thing [TS]

00:29:06   made by boss made the by the boss [TS]

00:29:07   company and and it just makes drum [TS]

00:29:12   sounds and I'm a terrible there are so [TS]

00:29:14   many cool drum machines including the [TS]

00:29:15   808 I went into a music store don't wait [TS]

00:29:18   simulator on your freaking phone now [TS]

00:29:19   yeah but that doesn't make me happy okay [TS]

00:29:22   I decided those buttons you want to make [TS]

00:29:23   the patterns do that what I want to do [TS]

00:29:26   is sit what I want to do is sit on the [TS]

00:29:28   couch as I've done for 25 years and say [TS]

00:29:31   to someone sitting at a computer or box [TS]

00:29:33   can you make it go just keep playing [TS]

00:29:37   until I tell you I'm not angry anymore [TS]

00:29:38   just keep trying different things I was [TS]

00:29:41   I did a recording day one time where the [TS]

00:29:44   drummer came up finally and said I've [TS]

00:29:47   played this song 40 times I'm not gonna [TS]

00:29:49   play it again and I said that's what [TS]

00:29:52   drummers do yeah they play it over and [TS]

00:29:54   over and over and he said I've played it [TS]

00:29:58   perfectly 40 times you you need to get [TS]

00:30:01   your shit together well and I said [TS]

00:30:03   here's what tremors do they played 41 [TS]

00:30:05   times yeah you played 42 again I guess [TS]

00:30:08   how I that's how I my shit together if [TS]

00:30:11   you had wanted to be in a if you'd [TS]

00:30:13   wanted to play an instrument that people [TS]

00:30:14   cared what you thought you would have [TS]

00:30:15   picked a better one yeah you wouldn't [TS]

00:30:17   you would have gotten a violin or an [TS]

00:30:18   oboe or something that people have a lot [TS]

00:30:20   of respect for but no you're in there to [TS]

00:30:22   keep playing you're like a mouse in a [TS]

00:30:23   maze I'll tell you when you found the [TS]

00:30:24   end of the maze don't you worry you just [TS]

00:30:25   keep walking I'll tell you when you're [TS]

00:30:27   done I picked up a chair and I had of [TS]

00:30:29   course I already had my whip and I put [TS]

00:30:31   him back in his cage and I said keep [TS]

00:30:33   fucking playing this you got to know how [TS]

00:30:35   to kennel a drummer [TS]

00:30:36   but so I have this box and basically it [TS]

00:30:42   has an it has two knobs one is tempo and [TS]

00:30:45   the other is you can change what the [TS]

00:30:49   pattern is and you change the lit move [TS]

00:30:51   the knob one thing and it goes and then [TS]

00:30:55   you move it again and it's like you move [TS]

00:30:58   it again it's like so it's really it's [TS]

00:31:02   just tempo and complexity ten tempo and [TS]

00:31:05   complexity and then there is a menu if [TS]

00:31:08   you want to go to [TS]

00:31:10   scroll Scroll scroll Scroll and you can [TS]

00:31:13   change time signature so the [TS]

00:31:16   complexities find most drummers you know [TS]

00:31:23   they'll be able to rip out a little bit [TS]

00:31:25   of Tom Sawyer until it falls apart but [TS]

00:31:27   mostly you're gonna go back to 4/4 let's [TS]

00:31:28   be honest yeah well no see because I [TS]

00:31:31   like trick I like tricky tricks you talk [TS]

00:31:33   about drama drummers oh yeah there are [TS]

00:31:37   some I mean Barrett Martin loves to play [TS]

00:31:40   in in seven seven sixteen gotcha point [TS]

00:31:43   Matt Chamberlain like he's a drummer [TS]

00:31:44   drummer loves to play that guy's playing [TS]

00:31:47   on a different level he's got Galaxy [TS]

00:31:48   mind Matt Chamberlain Matt Cameron like [TS]

00:31:51   Cameron [TS]

00:31:52   all the great masters tricky dicks [TS]

00:31:55   anyway so I've got this thing and I just [TS]

00:31:58   like the way it sounds I run it into an [TS]

00:31:59   amplifier which is like the that's so [TS]

00:32:03   the thing itself has Mikey Mike the amp [TS]

00:32:05   or DDI damn I don't even do that I just [TS]

00:32:08   sit and I just sit and entertain myself [TS]

00:32:16   and it really disturbs me that I cannot [TS]

00:32:20   just I don't even have the technical [TS]

00:32:24   ability to just make that my sound it is [TS]

00:32:29   my sound it's the only thing I care [TS]

00:32:30   about I go into the studio and I'm like [TS]

00:32:32   well here's my thing that I made and and [TS]

00:32:34   like a live drummers like oh I can do [TS]

00:32:37   that and he starts to plan I'm like I [TS]

00:32:38   kind of just like the sound of my lock I [TS]

00:32:41   know it's almost like you want a sober [TS]

00:32:43   reliable grant Hart you and somebody who [TS]

00:32:45   can come in and like keep it beating you [TS]

00:32:47   say okay we'll do more or flippity [TS]

00:32:49   jibbity and then they can do more [TS]

00:32:51   flippity jibbety but they don't lose the [TS]

00:32:52   beat but still there's a purity to the [TS]

00:32:55   to the what the what the krautrock hall [TS]

00:32:57   for on the floor I kind of know you know [TS]

00:32:59   before you on the floor beat that's [TS]

00:33:01   that's a fantastic beat well and this is [TS]

00:33:03   the thing with making music with other [TS]

00:33:05   people because there are a lot of times [TS]

00:33:07   when the bass line that I record myself [TS]

00:33:10   does didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't [TS]

00:33:14   didn't didn't didn't [TS]

00:33:18   [Music] [TS]

00:33:20   no chord change that let you know like [TS]

00:33:23   as I'm writing it I'm talking to the [TS]

00:33:25   bass player who is me and I say I'm like [TS]

00:33:34   okay listen okay shake Racker okay [TS]

00:33:38   listen you're not going to do anything [TS]

00:33:40   in this song except this no no the other [TS]

00:33:46   instruments are gonna make changes [TS]

00:33:48   they're going to change chords and stuff [TS]

00:33:51   the bass is only gonna go didn't didn't [TS]

00:33:53   didn't didn't didn't didn't do until the [TS]

00:33:55   song is basically a bass drum with an [TS]

00:33:57   open e yeah right yeah but it needs to [TS]

00:34:00   happen it's very crucial to the song if [TS]

00:34:03   it doesn't happen it's not bass well and [TS]

00:34:05   it's not yeah all right the song doesn't [TS]

00:34:07   have the thing and the song doesn't have [TS]

00:34:09   the D it's your the key thing yes and [TS]

00:34:11   and the amazing skill that some bass [TS]

00:34:14   players have is to realize that really [TS]

00:34:17   to play only one note through the entire [TS]

00:34:21   length of a song and to still like be in [TS]

00:34:24   the pocket and make it groove is even [TS]

00:34:26   harder then moving stuff around because [TS]

00:34:29   you have to be like didn't didn't didn't [TS]

00:34:31   and I start thinking about something [TS]

00:34:33   else if you start thinking about [TS]

00:34:35   something else yeah then you're gonna [TS]

00:34:38   wander you're gonna wander away from the [TS]

00:34:39   tune but if you can really be in that [TS]

00:34:43   bass really be in that bass moment and [TS]

00:34:47   just every single one of those dunes [TS]

00:34:49   matters just as much to you as the one [TS]

00:34:52   before it I'm the one after Wow [TS]

00:34:56   basically not get distracted like when [TS]

00:34:58   the words start you start thinking about [TS]

00:35:00   like what kind of sandwich are gonna [TS]

00:35:01   have right and the thing is this is a [TS]

00:35:03   thing that this is why bass players are [TS]

00:35:05   often perfectly suited to this because [TS]

00:35:08   there's not a lot of other things [TS]

00:35:10   they're gonna think about right right [TS]

00:35:11   right oh we have that much to think [TS]

00:35:13   about like where where's my milk carton [TS]

00:35:16   basically it's kind of rhythmic fidget [TS]

00:35:18   spinner and its key its key key but [TS]

00:35:23   pretty soon then you're like pretty soon [TS]

00:35:26   then you're just you're sitting up there [TS]

00:35:28   with a bunch of instruments that you [TS]

00:35:29   made your [TS]

00:35:30   or you're playing everything through a [TS]

00:35:31   through a boss pedal into a single [TS]

00:35:33   amplifier and you're you're like LCD [TS]

00:35:35   Soundsystem guy except you can't afford [TS]

00:35:37   25 people onstage with you yeah I don't [TS]

00:35:41   know people really like that LCD [TS]

00:35:42   soundsystem guy I like some of their [TS]

00:35:44   stuff quite a lot drummers music you [TS]

00:35:49   just did that Merlin thing where where [TS]

00:35:52   your voice went up an octave person says [TS]

00:36:06   oh I quite like it [TS]

00:36:07   oh yeah yeah no I mean like I've played [TS]

00:36:12   my problem is that like like so many [TS]

00:36:15   people I came at the base this is no [TS]

00:36:18   disrespect to the wonderful people who [TS]

00:36:20   play the bass but I came at the base as [TS]

00:36:21   a guitar player I'm a very loo Barlow [TS]

00:36:23   esque bass player where it's like I'm [TS]

00:36:25   playing a 1 and a 5 and I'm going up and [TS]

00:36:28   I'm playing a little melody and I'm [TS]

00:36:29   mostly I'm going boop boop boop boop [TS]

00:36:30   where I'm trying to be my quiet like I [TS]

00:36:32   don't I mean to me a bass playing was a [TS]

00:36:34   hack for me like guitar playing I never [TS]

00:36:37   like like like you I never bothered to [TS]

00:36:39   get very good at guitar but I knew my [TS]

00:36:40   way around I knew what my capabilities [TS]

00:36:42   were mostly you like and I knew them [TS]

00:36:45   like if I want to make a silly sounding [TS]

00:36:46   fake Eddie Van Halen solo I knew how to [TS]

00:36:49   make that funny but the bass I came at [TS]

00:36:51   it totally as a hack where it's like [TS]

00:36:52   okay I understand all these strings are [TS]

00:36:53   pretty much the same as the lower four [TS]

00:36:55   strings I can figure that out and then I [TS]

00:36:57   figured out how to roughly emulate [TS]

00:36:58   something that wasn't don't wasn't doing [TS]

00:37:00   a Ramones I wasn't trying to do just [TS]

00:37:01   what the guitar part was right and then [TS]

00:37:04   you know as again as a fan of who [TS]

00:37:05   screwed you I started loving that idea [TS]

00:37:07   of like counter posing what the bass is [TS]

00:37:09   doing melodically with the guitar but I [TS]

00:37:12   still came at it with the way of [TS]

00:37:13   thinking I think there's a guitar way of [TS]

00:37:15   thinking and a bass way of thinking and [TS]

00:37:17   I think they're worried I think they're [TS]

00:37:18   very different you approach the [TS]

00:37:20   instrument your role and the [TS]

00:37:22   capabilities and the place and the song [TS]

00:37:24   are very different from comparing [TS]

00:37:27   between a natural bass player and [TS]

00:37:29   natural guitar player yes that may sound [TS]

00:37:31   ridiculously obvious until you listen to [TS]

00:37:33   some guy who picked up bass over the [TS]

00:37:35   weekend like you like you had to do one [TS]

00:37:37   time right so no musician would [TS]

00:37:42   disagree with what you just said but I [TS]

00:37:44   think most lay people are not aware of [TS]

00:37:46   how massively different the two [TS]

00:37:49   instruments are their role is [TS]

00:37:51   complementary but really a base is [TS]

00:37:53   closer to drums than it is to a guitar [TS]

00:37:54   and it's amazing to me that there are [TS]

00:37:58   lead singers who are bass players [TS]

00:38:01   because the two things mmm like playing [TS]

00:38:04   guitar and singing is very natural [TS]

00:38:06   you're you're throwing the chords down [TS]

00:38:09   in piles and you're building you know [TS]

00:38:13   you're building the Lego structure of [TS]

00:38:14   the song and you're singing in the in [TS]

00:38:17   between your strums kind of you know [TS]

00:38:19   you're like and here I go strumming and [TS]

00:38:21   the strumming and singing in an [TS]

00:38:23   instrument and I'm singing in and but [TS]

00:38:27   the bass isn't doing that all you know [TS]

00:38:29   the bass is like I am holding it down [TS]

00:38:32   here with the kick drum and to sing over [TS]

00:38:37   that is SuperDuper different [TS]

00:38:39   and and you know you see it lead singer [TS]

00:38:43   bass guys sting and Geddy Lee and Paul [TS]

00:38:47   McCartney Jack blades Jack blades name [TS]

00:38:51   [Music] [TS]

00:38:53   it was yeah Jack blades was he's the see [TS]

00:38:57   the basis I think Kelly Keegan Kelly [TS]

00:38:59   Keegan Kelly Kelly Kelly [TS]

00:39:01   I think Keegan Keegan Michael Kelly [TS]

00:39:03   Keegan Michael Kelly I think was that [TS]

00:39:04   was the drummer you got he got brake [TS]

00:39:06   blanket on home alone [TS]

00:39:08   which one took job alone one Joe Joe [TS]

00:39:11   Pesci Joe Pesci Joe Pesci was in a band [TS]

00:39:15   he was in a band with but he was in a [TS]

00:39:17   band with somebody else he was in band [TS]

00:39:18   with like a Joe Montana at one point I [TS]

00:39:20   think are you telling me Joe Pesci was [TS]

00:39:21   at home alone your are your guests [TS]

00:39:25   letting me know I've never seen home [TS]

00:39:27   alone what it had it had Jodie Foster [TS]

00:39:31   Wallace i fostered army was a funny name [TS]

00:39:39   mr. Wallace is a terrific name it was in [TS]

00:39:44   Joey D and the starlighter's hmm [TS]

00:39:47   no no this is back in the day and who [TS]

00:39:50   was he in with this he was in this with [TS]

00:39:51   somebody else who's famous and it's like [TS]

00:39:55   it's like a Joe [TS]

00:39:56   yeah I'm taking off your topic of base [TS]

00:39:58   yeah yeah well when I started playing [TS]

00:40:02   the bass as we've recorded this story [TS]

00:40:05   before of my like jumping into the base [TS]

00:40:09   as an epic story but I didn't have to [TS]

00:40:12   sing lead I only had to sing harmony and [TS]

00:40:14   that's easier it's easier to just be [TS]

00:40:16   like ah it's very hard for me to play [TS]

00:40:21   the bass properly and and sing because I [TS]

00:40:27   just because it's certainly my own songs [TS]

00:40:29   I did not write them or around the [TS]

00:40:31   ability to do that [TS]

00:40:33   and at one point we always were have we [TS]

00:40:35   always had a hard time figuring out how [TS]

00:40:37   to play blue diamonds on tour around you [TS]

00:40:41   switch parts we'd switch around cuz the [TS]

00:40:43   piano part on that song is not difficult [TS]

00:40:46   but it's sort of sig singly a thing that [TS]

00:40:51   I would write and do it's not a thing [TS]

00:40:53   that you'd say like hey piano player [TS]

00:40:54   here you go bomp bomp ed above it's just [TS]

00:40:57   not like a normal it's it's a piano part [TS]

00:41:00   written by somebody that doesn't really [TS]

00:41:02   play the piano and so it was we could [TS]

00:41:05   never figure out how to how to recreate [TS]

00:41:06   it on stage and so what we ended up [TS]

00:41:10   doing at one point was I played the bass [TS]

00:41:13   Erik Corson played the guitar and we [TS]

00:41:16   just eliminated the piano and I was so [TS]

00:41:20   terrible at the base we did this for an [TS]

00:41:22   entire tour I never figured out how to [TS]

00:41:24   do it and in fact a critic from The [TS]

00:41:27   Village Voice came to our show in New [TS]

00:41:28   York and said in the review bar where [TS]

00:41:32   there's a great band lead singer can't [TS]

00:41:34   play the bass oh boy [TS]

00:41:36   but uh put that hasn't Chopin smoked [TS]

00:41:39   fortunately he only tries to do it once [TS]

00:41:42   yeah well I I deserved it I deserved it [TS]

00:41:47   can play your mind [TS]

00:41:48   kaboom yeah so Joe Pesci was in a band [TS]

00:41:54   he was friends with Frankie Valli ah and [TS]

00:41:58   so he was in a band I'm not seeing the [TS]

00:42:00   name of the pin he was in a band with [TS]

00:42:01   Frank Vincent so do you remember the [TS]

00:42:03   movie Goodfellas yes when he says get [TS]

00:42:05   your shine box yeah that actor [TS]

00:42:08   was in a band with with a Joseph [TS]

00:42:12   Pechersky yeah she yep there's photos Oh [TS]

00:42:16   whose photos go search for Joe Pesci [TS]

00:42:18   band well I think that she probably [TS]

00:42:21   means fish that's what I'm gonna guess [TS]

00:42:24   mm-hmm - fish fish [TS]

00:42:29   Choi fish [TS]

00:42:30   it's a it's a Sicilian message it means [TS]

00:42:34   joy sleeps with the fishes [TS]

00:42:36   he's Joyce sings with his co-star actor [TS]

00:42:42   Joe Pesci yeah I didn't know that he was [TS]

00:42:45   in a show called star time kids oh that [TS]

00:42:48   was that kids cartoon show by James [TS]

00:42:50   Brown start time babies look at them [TS]

00:42:58   they're so amazing their mustaches are [TS]

00:43:00   so moustachy high now that looks like [TS]

00:43:02   Tony Orlando is that Tony Orlando [TS]

00:43:04   oh the two guy it's a Joe Pesci and then [TS]

00:43:10   Tony Orlando and then dawn but Don it's [TS]

00:43:13   like the dawn that's funny [TS]

00:43:16   I like yeah you know what that said my [TS]

00:43:19   brother my brother and me Joe that yeah [TS]

00:43:20   that's fun that's yeah yeah it's not a [TS]

00:43:25   disrespectful thing it's it's [TS]

00:43:27   self-preservation you got to know what [TS]

00:43:28   you're in for with these people and this [TS]

00:43:30   is not to say that every guitar player I [TS]

00:43:31   mean guitar players mm-hmm if you're [TS]

00:43:34   just the guitar player even if you like [TS]

00:43:35   a really good guitar player mm-hmm see I [TS]

00:43:38   I feel like this is already problematic [TS]

00:43:40   a lot of what we're saying hmm you know [TS]

00:43:50   when you watch the Metallica documentary [TS]

00:43:54   if you were me and you thought you knew [TS]

00:43:56   what worked in Metallica mm-hmm yeah you [TS]

00:43:59   know how do you think things worked in [TS]

00:44:01   Metallica well I bought into the guitar [TS]

00:44:04   for the practicing musician idea the [TS]

00:44:07   Kirk Hammett was a wonderful gift that [TS]

00:44:09   was brought to Metallica who had no idea [TS]

00:44:10   really what they were doing before then [TS]

00:44:12   no I mean that's not entirely true but [TS]

00:44:14   when you think of who in the 80's and [TS]

00:44:16   90's unimpeachably who is the guitar [TS]

00:44:19   wizard and probably controlling cool [TS]

00:44:22   a Metallica if you had to say who in the [TS]

00:44:25   mythology it would that be James [TS]

00:44:28   Hetfield really see I came up thinking [TS]

00:44:30   that it was always Kirk Hammett Kirk [TS]

00:44:31   Kirk Hammett was always the one getting [TS]

00:44:33   before the YouTube age we could go in [TS]

00:44:35   and see who actually plays what parts [TS]

00:44:36   and does what you know we had Clues we [TS]

00:44:39   we well we had quizzes you you are [TS]

00:44:42   talking to pure crazy right now I now I [TS]

00:44:44   know that because I've seen that you [TS]

00:44:46   documentary and I've watched the YouTube [TS]

00:44:47   I knew it but the craziness that you are [TS]

00:44:50   you are talking pure crazy and I would [TS]

00:44:52   have said that in 1984 Kirk Hammett yeah [TS]

00:44:56   what was I think he knows I think a lot [TS]

00:44:59   of times he doesn't know what key it's [TS]

00:45:00   in no he was always a dingaling every [TS]

00:45:02   and everything was played by James James [TS]

00:45:05   Hetfield well my understanding is that [TS]

00:45:08   James is the guy who really brings the [TS]

00:45:11   personality and sound that makes [TS]

00:45:13   metallica metallica and his rhythm [TS]

00:45:15   guitar playing is monstrously good which [TS]

00:45:19   is all of the song that's yes and then [TS]

00:45:21   you got this guy over here and he's got [TS]

00:45:22   a block of cheese and he's grating it in [TS]

00:45:25   some kind of Phrygian mode but he might [TS]

00:45:27   be a couple of frets off and he just [TS]

00:45:29   gets a little squiggly seems to fade [TS]

00:45:33   away you get to the end of that boy and [TS]

00:45:35   he's he's doing his shredding and it's [TS]

00:45:38   it gets a little low raga my Mike my [TS]

00:45:42   experience of Metallica and this is than [TS]

00:45:45   this I think was every every true [TS]

00:45:48   because you weren't metal is the thing I [TS]

00:45:50   would not know I mean it wasn't like a [TS]

00:45:53   denim jacket guy but I deeply love mini [TS]

00:45:55   metal bands yes [TS]

00:45:57   but myself a metalhead I would call [TS]

00:45:59   myself a college rock guy you were a [TS]

00:46:01   college rock god that's right and but [TS]

00:46:03   you were not a denim jacket guy I mean [TS]

00:46:07   start but like going back up some iron [TS]

00:46:09   Iron Maiden and Metallica and some Judas [TS]

00:46:12   Priest and whatever and then into the [TS]

00:46:15   80s like whatever was on headbangers [TS]

00:46:17   ball like that's a little later but like [TS]

00:46:20   no I mean I genuinely like I told you [TS]

00:46:21   before about my friend Phil and maybe [TS]

00:46:23   this mixtape of a metal mixtape in 1985 [TS]

00:46:26   - changed my life [TS]

00:46:26   and had so much great metal stuff on and [TS]

00:46:28   Steve Lyon open all these doors to go [TS]

00:46:30   beyond what I knew of as classic rock [TS]

00:46:32   and that's where I first heard whiplash [TS]

00:46:34   and [TS]

00:46:34   shirt fade to black and like you know [TS]

00:46:36   the trap does rice and all that stuff [TS]

00:46:38   when you went to through that huge [TS]

00:46:40   accept phase we were just like all I [TS]

00:46:42   want to hear is except I believe his [TS]

00:46:49   name is but I know the singer except who [TS]

00:46:54   Dirkschneider there were two good [TS]

00:46:55   musicians in Metallica oh boy too bad [TS]

00:46:58   musicians in Metallica [TS]

00:47:00   I think we're probably gonna you know [TS]

00:47:02   what we're gonna get a lot ladders on [TS]

00:47:03   this one we're gonna get a lot of [TS]

00:47:05   letters confirming that there are two [TS]

00:47:06   good was not really playing drums he was [TS]

00:47:12   beating on a phone book when you accept [TS]

00:47:13   the tonality of injustice for all and [TS]

00:47:15   realized that he was playing on a yellow [TS]

00:47:16   pages I'll you know you really [TS]

00:47:17   appreciate that boy could really play [TS]

00:47:19   some yellow pages it feels like a Bing [TS]

00:47:21   will ships an album that sounds like [TS]

00:47:23   that James Hetfield was a person and [TS]

00:47:27   this happens in music a lot of the time [TS]

00:47:29   where he's very loyal to his friend his [TS]

00:47:32   friend was there from the beginning his [TS]

00:47:34   friend was there as friends started it [TS]

00:47:37   with him and when the and when you're [TS]

00:47:40   first starting a band you start a band [TS]

00:47:42   with whoever's standing around how's it [TS]

00:47:44   else you know were they from oh yeah [TS]

00:47:47   something like he's ballet I guess they [TS]

00:47:49   technically every buddy says they're [TS]

00:47:50   from LA they're from San Francisco I [TS]

00:47:53   thought they're from these bands out [TS]

00:47:54   there from like El Cerrito my thinking I [TS]

00:47:55   ccr know CCR's from LA what no teleca's [TS]

00:48:01   from San Francisco but they live they [TS]

00:48:05   live in fancy Robin Williams houses now [TS]

00:48:07   but I think they're from I think that [TS]

00:48:09   for me is BAE well no they I think they [TS]

00:48:12   are from the East Bay before we Los [TS]

00:48:15   Angeles in late 1981 when Danish born [TS]

00:48:18   drummer Lars Ulrich placed an [TS]

00:48:19   advertisement in the recycler you're [TS]

00:48:23   saying that Metallica started in LA and [TS]

00:48:26   then moved to San Francisco them is [TS]

00:48:28   being from the Oakland area Wow [TS]

00:48:31   see I don't know I'm really confusing [TS]

00:48:33   now then we're CCR from I swear to Clara [TS]

00:48:35   from LA I think come on really yeah [TS]

00:48:38   how'd that get on the Zant's label [TS]

00:48:40   that's like good east babe hmm [TS]

00:48:42   this is really upsetting to me I'm [TS]

00:48:44   taking you on four point you're gonna [TS]

00:48:45   tell me about friendship [TS]

00:48:46   Elsa no see [TS]

00:48:48   see ours from El Cerrito from the area [TS]

00:48:51   oh isn't that interesting [TS]

00:48:52   okay oh well what do you know we have [TS]

00:48:56   looked around we have that flipped [TS]

00:48:58   around you know metallic is from El now [TS]

00:49:01   what about green day the Green Day ban [TS]

00:49:03   aren't they from like mostly see ours [TS]

00:49:04   from East Bay Ocala is from LA every day [TS]

00:49:08   is from no way we're providing mnemonics [TS]

00:49:18   for future CCR is to East Bay as [TS]

00:49:21   Metallica is to LA okay okay and journey [TS]

00:49:26   journey city by the bay started out as a [TS]

00:49:30   song about la haha did you know that I [TS]

00:49:33   didn't know that yeah when let's go down [TS]

00:49:36   the city and the Sun shines on LA and [TS]

00:49:38   then they flipped it around it took and [TS]

00:49:42   they turned is what they did [TS]

00:49:43   well everybody at these terrible 49ers [TS]

00:49:46   games that aren't even in the city of [TS]

00:49:47   San Francisco and they're singing along [TS]

00:49:48   on these songs their song about la [TS]

00:49:51   jumpers it's much better song about [TS]

00:49:53   about San Francisco that would have been [TS]

00:49:55   about la about it already I know the [TS]

00:49:59   thing is James Hetfield he started this [TS]

00:50:02   band with this guy cuz the guy started [TS]

00:50:05   the band apparently Lars was the one [TS]

00:50:06   that put the ad in who put in the [TS]

00:50:07   recycler that was him and James was like [TS]

00:50:10   a teenager and he said yeah sure and [TS]

00:50:12   then and I'm sure Lars is Danish this [TS]

00:50:14   was kind of exotic at the time you know [TS]

00:50:17   it's very metal to be from Denmark [TS]

00:50:18   Denmark is one of the more metal [TS]

00:50:20   countries that the dansk is is a very [TS]

00:50:25   metal and they're not as metal as in [TS]

00:50:27   Czechoslovakia well James had to know [TS]

00:50:37   that Lars was an albatross he was a [TS]

00:50:39   lodestone but he was a he's a man to [TS]

00:50:43   moil t matters but when they got kirk [TS]

00:50:46   hammett the only thing that he can do is [TS]

00:50:51   play a million notes those notes are non [TS]

00:50:55   melodic those notes are in my estimation [TS]

00:50:58   as a musician nonsensical [TS]

00:51:00   yeah he's there he's there Jimmy page a [TS]

00:51:02   little bit and as far what yeah [TS]

00:51:05   what do you mean Jimmy pages of genius [TS]

00:51:07   oh so much Blues so many losses oh my [TS]

00:51:12   gosh he has so many blues 'as he he's a [TS]

00:51:15   sloppy cheapskate is what he is he's [TS]

00:51:17   sloppy yes because he's feeling the [TS]

00:51:19   blues so intense it's the blues yes he'd [TS]

00:51:22   be so blue [TS]

00:51:23   what's John Paul Jones feeling because I [TS]

00:51:25   think I'm feeling what he feels John [TS]

00:51:27   Paul Jones is thinking about higher math [TS]

00:51:30   he's on different maths yeah he's like [TS]

00:51:33   Tom Schultz he's like salts whose home [TS]

00:51:42   is destroyed in the recent recent fires [TS]

00:51:44   r.i.p oh no real oh no that's terrible [TS]

00:51:47   John it's terrible wait I can't get into [TS]

00:51:49   that that's just too sad no bummers [TS]

00:51:50   Charles Schultz's home we're all great [TS]

00:51:53   laughs [TS]

00:51:54   rameneh PBP grew all the peanuts there [TS]

00:51:56   Oh [TS]

00:51:58   so anyway friendship is important and I [TS]

00:52:02   think you could agree the Jimmy Page [TS]

00:52:04   really dragged the band down and a lot [TS]

00:52:06   of points about Paige being sloppy which [TS]

00:52:11   is true yes is a it's a bonus that's a [TS]

00:52:15   blessing [TS]

00:52:15   it is a blessing because he was he's not [TS]

00:52:18   he was competing with Emerson Lake & [TS]

00:52:20   Project the the Emerson Lincoln project [TS]

00:52:27   era because that's where a lot of people [TS]

00:52:31   encoded is that the word for about prog [TS]

00:52:36   rock and it's easy to forget this really [TS]

00:52:38   good book by Dave waggle about prog rock [TS]

00:52:39   that's very very good [TS]

00:52:40   and about the culture of prog rock that [TS]

00:52:42   continues today mostly on cruise ships [TS]

00:52:43   but just me forget about this era how [TS]

00:52:46   influential all that stuff was at the [TS]

00:52:48   time that's what people aspire to you [TS]

00:52:49   they wanted to be freaking King Crimson [TS]

00:52:51   one that's why punk rock had to come [TS]

00:52:53   along that's that's what they say that's [TS]

00:52:55   what this one shows that's what they say [TS]

00:52:58   that's what flea says when they cut to [TS]

00:52:59   him at the in every document about every [TS]

00:53:02   classroom in John what does Chuck [TS]

00:53:03   Klosterman have to say would he be able [TS]

00:53:06   to come in and give an opinion do you [TS]

00:53:07   think I put a few words down Martin [TS]

00:53:09   Scorsese would there be an opportunity [TS]

00:53:10   for him to be sitting in a chair in his [TS]

00:53:12   little theater and be able to [TS]

00:53:14   because you know Isaac is very important [TS]

00:53:15   to Martin Scorcese he would it would [TS]

00:53:20   have another opportunity for ya / [TS]

00:53:24   opining and for for a girl to also be [TS]

00:53:27   there Oh Dave football with a big smile [TS]

00:53:30   and he'd say something very charming and [TS]

00:53:32   everybody would agree I watched his [TS]

00:53:33   documentary on Netflix now here's [TS]

00:53:35   another thing is I was watching a [TS]

00:53:36   program on Netflix and they played a [TS]

00:53:39   song that I must have heard before [TS]

00:53:41   because I had physical I used to make [TS]

00:53:43   out to Physical Graffiti in high school [TS]

00:53:44   and I owned an LP copy of it in college [TS]

00:53:47   and I listened to it like fairly often I [TS]

00:53:49   remember the song in the light the song [TS]

00:53:51   in the light is a very very good song I [TS]

00:53:54   had to hear it on a Netflix television [TS]

00:53:57   streaming program - really really she [TS]

00:53:58   ate it it was really really good and I [TS]

00:54:00   hear a song like that I hear a cashmere [TS]

00:54:03   I hear a song like that and I think I [TS]

00:54:04   think that's all John Paul Jones oh my [TS]

00:54:07   god I think I think I think Jimmy's just [TS]

00:54:09   just Jim is just sitting there counting [TS]

00:54:11   shekels he shows up he puts on a cape he [TS]

00:54:14   borrows a cape from Rick Wakeman he [TS]

00:54:16   shows up and he just he plays some [TS]

00:54:17   sloppy pentatonix for 10 minutes bananas [TS]

00:54:21   really you are literally banana took him [TS]

00:54:24   that live Ron album or both or neither I [TS]

00:54:26   feel like John Paul Jones clearly a [TS]

00:54:29   genius clearly a great great great [TS]

00:54:33   player he's a good is he game no in the [TS]

00:54:37   sense that like I think he genuinely [TS]

00:54:39   loves music as he doing I don't think [TS]

00:54:43   he's he's there to pull birds [TS]

00:54:45   necessarily to make shekels I think he's [TS]

00:54:47   partly there just out of a genuine love [TS]

00:54:48   of how nurten notes on a page like turn [TS]

00:54:50   into something beautiful but this is the [TS]

00:54:52   problem he's Rana Klee tragically [TS]

00:54:55   underused in Led Zeppelin mm-hmm because [TS]

00:54:58   I do not think he was given the mandate [TS]

00:55:02   at least very under-recognized I think [TS]

00:55:05   his tastefulness and like in some ways [TS]

00:55:07   maybe I don't say he was the pall of the [TS]

00:55:09   band but I think it's some ways he [TS]

00:55:10   brought things to that band that made [TS]

00:55:12   them so much more than what they [TS]

00:55:13   previously been capable of and will just [TS]

00:55:15   read it so like he's the piano player or [TS]

00:55:17   like he played the air bow here or [TS]

00:55:18   whatever he's very good but he didn't he [TS]

00:55:21   was not empowered because it wasn't his [TS]

00:55:24   band that's true if there's if there's [TS]

00:55:25   anybody in that band that's a hired gun [TS]

00:55:27   it's him and I don't think that I do not [TS]

00:55:31   think that the magic of Led Zepplin that [TS]

00:55:33   you are hearing and attributing to John [TS]

00:55:35   Paul Jones is actually coming from the [TS]

00:55:38   fountain of John Paul Jones I mean he [TS]

00:55:41   does a great job at the things that he [TS]

00:55:43   does that he he kills those things that [TS]

00:55:47   were handed to him and I wish that he [TS]

00:55:50   had had more authority in the band [TS]

00:55:52   because I know you're doing that thing [TS]

00:55:55   you're saying okay what did they [TS]

00:55:55   actually put on the screen like let's [TS]

00:55:57   set aside all the Chuck Klosterman [TS]

00:55:58   ization of this like what actually [TS]

00:56:00   happened in terms of what made it onto [TS]

00:56:02   the final yeah I don't think that that [TS]

00:56:04   in the room those moments where where [TS]

00:56:08   the other dudes [TS]

00:56:09   we're probably page said okay and then [TS]

00:56:12   then all this needs to get done and he [TS]

00:56:15   pushed the big platter of hot turkey [TS]

00:56:18   dinner over and said like I don't want [TS]

00:56:20   to think or think about this or do this [TS]

00:56:21   okay it came back to him like absolutely [TS]

00:56:26   perfectly done like all that PA all that [TS]

00:56:28   keyboard stuff it's all him like he's [TS]

00:56:30   super big is that I think he's the [TS]

00:56:32   flautist [TS]

00:56:33   he's the flautist but Jimmy Page stole [TS]

00:56:38   the chord progression for stairway to [TS]

00:56:40   heaven but I think it's John Paul Jones [TS]

00:56:41   that made it work I'm sorry this is [TS]

00:56:45   fraud we can't put this out there's no [TS]

00:56:48   way page is the page is the one that is [TS]

00:56:51   coming up with all the riffs all the t's [TS]

00:56:54   that you think he's like the Pete [TS]

00:56:55   Townsend in the band uh yeah well I mean [TS]

00:57:00   the you because you know about his you [TS]

00:57:02   know page was like hot session guy he [TS]

00:57:06   was hot session guy he was a Yardbird [TS]

00:57:09   Donovan's magic carpet ride I think he [TS]

00:57:16   played on I think he played on a king [TS]

00:57:18   song possibly even you really got me [TS]

00:57:20   it's disputed whether his track made it [TS]

00:57:22   on to the final but he was on some early [TS]

00:57:24   Kings singles I think and I you know and [TS]

00:57:26   he was in the Beatles right yeah he's [TS]

00:57:29   considered the seventh Beatle seventh [TS]

00:57:30   Beatle the seventh son of the seventh [TS]

00:57:32   son mm-hmm that's where the Iron Maiden [TS]

00:57:35   album comes from there are two good [TS]

00:57:38   musicians in Led Zeppelin [TS]

00:57:41   mm-hmm and there are two people who [TS]

00:57:46   owned Led Zeppelin and made it and made [TS]

00:57:49   everything and now you're into a Jean [TS]

00:57:51   and Paul type situation there are two [TS]

00:57:53   right people in Led Zeppelin who died [TS]

00:57:56   yes there are two but none of these twos [TS]

00:57:59   overlap wait I was up one time uh Frank [TS]

00:58:05   Frank Frank Zeppelin right yeah he died [TS]

00:58:08   early he's like one he's the Nell Aspen [TS]

00:58:10   all it's banned he's like the eighth or [TS]

00:58:12   ninth member of Led Zeppelin he's like [TS]

00:58:13   the piano player of the Rolling Stones [TS]

00:58:15   who was in the Rolling Stones from the [TS]

00:58:16   very beginning but she had a certain [TS]

00:58:17   Jimmy Stone yeah yeah certain point he [TS]

00:58:20   got he got put behind the curtain yeah [TS]

00:58:21   you drive himself an electric bathtub I [TS]

00:58:24   think that's what happen easily played [TS]

00:58:26   that pretty ovation teardrop guitar [TS]

00:58:27   piano uh Rolling Stone [TS]

00:58:31   it gathers no moss but also a Rolling [TS]

00:58:33   Stone electric bathtub was actually a [TS]

00:58:36   great band that's a terrific band yeah [TS]

00:58:38   no I'm saying that there is there was a [TS]

00:58:43   guy mm-hmm not Brian Jones talk about [TS]

00:58:49   it's not not Ian mcLaughlin but one of [TS]

00:58:52   those it was a piano boy in the Rolling [TS]

00:58:54   Stones yeah yeah the piano key on please [TS]

00:58:58   I'm just kissing names at this point no [TS]

00:59:00   it's Ian Stewart Ian Stewart and he's [TS]

00:59:03   not he's not the guy from that English [TS]

00:59:05   band the other English band that's the [TS]

00:59:06   guy my thing I think it'd be in swayin [TS]

00:59:08   Stewart Ian [TS]

00:59:09   who's the guy hits you with your rhythm [TS]

00:59:11   stick that's Ian Dury he was thinking of [TS]

00:59:15   Ian Ian McKellen you McCallum Ian [TS]

00:59:21   McDermott eita Mederma no Roni Ian Loog [TS]

00:59:25   Oldham Ian Lou gold and he's the one [TS]

00:59:27   that got sampled by that fan who knocks [TS]

00:59:28   people down walking down the street [TS]

00:59:30   that's right all their money money right [TS]

00:59:34   cuz they got Peter Allen to be their [TS]

00:59:36   manager that's the guy guys was married [TS]

00:59:37   to Liza Minnelli and he stole all their [TS]

00:59:38   rights wasn't that him uh it was the was [TS]

00:59:41   he married to Liza Minnelli Peter Allen [TS]

00:59:43   Peter Allen and my baby smiles at me [TS]

00:59:45   y'all go to Rio who's the guy who stole [TS]

00:59:47   all the money he said look look look [TS]

00:59:48   look you guys you're not you're not [TS]

00:59:49   getting paid right I'm gonna set this [TS]

00:59:51   straight no that was uh that was dude [TS]

00:59:53   man it was [TS]

00:59:54   I was fun his name was Alan fun no it [TS]

00:59:59   was [TS]

00:59:59   was [TS]

01:00:00   Morty it was no I think you're right I [TS]

01:00:06   think your friendship a friendship is [TS]

01:00:08   very important but you have to know [TS]

01:00:09   where to draw the line like say for [TS]

01:00:10   example you let's just say [TS]

01:00:12   hypothetically you knew a drummer who [TS]

01:00:13   really wanted a mistake no please no [TS]

01:00:15   right right [TS]

01:00:16   it was that's like Allen Funt yeah Allen [TS]

01:00:22   Funt doer no I'm talking about Ian [TS]

01:00:24   Stewart who do you know this story no he [TS]

01:00:27   was a founding member of the Rolling [TS]

01:00:31   Stones [TS]

01:00:31   from the very beginning when they all [TS]

01:00:34   met on a railroad platform and Mick [TS]

01:00:37   Jagger was like a platform in economics [TS]

01:00:40   school that make one economics - he's [TS]

01:00:42   like hey is that a Muddy Waters record [TS]

01:00:43   and best pals and they for me is news to [TS]

01:00:59   me I thought I thought that they meant [TS]

01:01:01   that a corps Eamon show were Mick had [TS]

01:01:03   been doing some kind of an undergraduate [TS]

01:01:05   thesis [TS]

01:01:06   yeah and Keith of course was a pirate at [TS]

01:01:08   the time yeah splitting splitting a fact [TS]

01:01:11   as they were splitting effect okay so [TS]

01:01:14   this guy he and Stewart was a really [TS]

01:01:16   really good musician and he was one of [TS]

01:01:20   the Bros in the band and then Andrew [TS]

01:01:24   Loog Oldham their original manager said [TS]

01:01:27   in 1963 right before they became big he [TS]

01:01:31   was like hey mate because that's how [TS]

01:01:34   they talk to each other yeah you don't [TS]

01:01:36   look right oh because he looks kind of [TS]

01:01:41   like Huey Lewis or he looks like a bloke [TS]

01:01:46   keyboardist and he really does not look [TS]

01:01:50   like he's in the Rolling Stones he [TS]

01:01:52   doesn't and so yes yes or non Rolling [TS]

01:01:55   Stones shaped face like no matter what [TS]

01:01:57   he did with his hair couldn't have done [TS]

01:01:58   it [TS]

01:01:59   he always was gonna look wrong and so he [TS]

01:02:02   said and this is the one of the most [TS]

01:02:03   amazing things I've ever heard he said [TS]

01:02:07   okay I'll keep playing piano in the [TS]

01:02:11   Rolling Stones [TS]

01:02:12   over here Oh No just offstage and [TS]

01:02:18   everybody was like great and then [TS]

01:02:21   eventually he was like I'll carry the [TS]

01:02:23   bags you guys you guys run on ahead and [TS]

01:02:27   then pretty soon he was like he's like [TS]

01:02:30   mal Evans meets a girl with a bag on her [TS]

01:02:32   head that's not very nice [TS]

01:02:34   he was the road manager okay like my [TS]

01:02:37   goodness in whatever reason Bret and in [TS]

01:02:40   whatever how he continued to be in the [TS]

01:02:43   Rolling Stones and in their operation [TS]

01:02:46   and continued to play the piano [TS]

01:02:47   what he's doing is like straight up [TS]

01:02:49   Cyrano in the wings like he's not a [TS]

01:02:52   stage he's not acknowledged he's [TS]

01:02:53   certainly not gonna be in bands photos [TS]

01:02:54   he plays it on Beggars Banquet he plays [TS]

01:02:58   on some girls he plays he plays on honky [TS]

01:03:02   tonk woman he plays the piano oh my all [TS]

01:03:05   the Rolling Stone songs until they [TS]

01:03:07   started getting like you know Nicky [TS]

01:03:09   Hopkins and Billy Preston and stuff to [TS]

01:03:11   come do but he was those guys were all [TS]

01:03:16   coming and doing like flashy bits over [TS]

01:03:19   the top of his key piano that is on [TS]

01:03:24   every Rolling Stones record so he is the [TS]

01:03:26   bees in the bane on a heartbreaker none [TS]

01:03:29   of us have ever heard of him [TS]

01:03:30   because his face was wrong and Andrew [TS]

01:03:35   Loog Oldham was like uh sorry I mean you [TS]

01:03:41   still need a piano player but and you're [TS]

01:03:43   great and so and it's another one of [TS]

01:03:46   these you know if you put Keith Richards [TS]

01:03:48   on a camera and you say like what do you [TS]

01:03:50   think of Sheryl Crow Keith Richards be [TS]

01:03:53   like Oh shallow crush she's a fag she's [TS]

01:03:56   the brightest and so he's an he's in [TS]

01:04:01   that category of offering a plot it's [TS]

01:04:03   free in Stuart well no he would he'd be [TS]

01:04:05   like Oh according to Dawood Aryan he was [TS]

01:04:08   on honky tonk women look at that Stewart [TS]

01:04:10   loaded gear into his van drove the group [TS]

01:04:11   to gigs replaced guitar strings and set [TS]

01:04:14   up Wasa's drums the way he himself would [TS]

01:04:15   play them I never ever swore at him [TS]

01:04:17   Watts says with rueful amazement ya [TS]

01:04:19   never swore at him I never swore at him [TS]

01:04:22   once I swore at everybody else [TS]

01:04:23   is the implication well he [TS]

01:04:25   reasons I'm sure everyone everyone else [TS]

01:04:26   that ever setup my drums I swore out [TS]

01:04:28   let's do heroin in France it'll be fun [TS]

01:04:30   you guys can live on the other side of [TS]

01:04:31   the island it'll be great I just I feel [TS]

01:04:34   like I he played he played on the [TS]

01:04:37   Rolling Stones best track which is under [TS]

01:04:39   cover of the night Wow this may need to [TS]

01:04:43   be a bonus episode Harlem shuffle the [TS]

01:04:54   empirically greatest Rolling Stones song [TS]

01:04:56   is rocks off Harlem shuffle and it's got [TS]

01:05:01   that like it's got that's where we're [TS]

01:05:03   learning that Brown now that's where I [TS]

01:05:04   learned that yeah I disagree but yeah [TS]

01:05:06   the sunshine towards the daylights out [TS]

01:05:08   of me [TS]

01:05:08   everyone is entitled to their thing [TS]

01:05:12   that's the thing about the internet now [TS]

01:05:14   the O opinion is different from any [TS]

01:05:16   other all all animals are alike we're [TS]

01:05:23   all on equal footing at this point I [TS]

01:05:24   have what feels like at this point every [TS]

01:05:26   opinion is the same that your fear [TS]

01:05:29   feeling that rocks off is the best [TS]

01:05:31   Rolling Stone song yeah [TS]

01:05:33   which in the past would have been [TS]

01:05:35   demonstrably false now that science [TS]

01:05:39   doesn't matter anymore [TS]

01:05:40   now that could be just as it could be [TS]

01:05:44   taken as just as true as my opinion that [TS]

01:05:46   sway is the greatest Rolling Stone song [TS]

01:05:48   sway sway is a very good song which is [TS]

01:05:52   totally true unimpeachably that's got a [TS]

01:05:55   groove it's got a groove to it oh oh [TS]

01:05:57   breaks my heart still every time yeah [TS]

01:06:00   and it feels like they're playing like a [TS]

01:06:01   little bit behind the beat a little bit [TS]

01:06:03   it's got a what girl songs dance some [TS]

01:06:06   good songs they had some good songs for [TS]

01:06:08   sure [TS]

01:06:08   The Rolling Stones did yeah they do well [TS]

01:06:10   I yeah you know there are no Beatles [TS]

01:06:14   well now now what about nobody's there [TS]

01:06:18   no Hitler they're somewhere in between [TS]

01:06:19   what about Roger Daltrey's inferiority [TS]

01:06:21   complex [TS]

01:06:22   do you ever dwell on that I think it is [TS]

01:06:24   justified okay [TS]

01:06:28   maybe it right there [TS]