The Incomparable

147: Space Fish


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00:00:11   the interoperable number 147 jun 2013 [TS]

00:00:19   welcome back to be uncomfortable i am [TS]

00:00:24   your host Jason snow and we are back [TS]

00:00:26   with another edition of our book club [TS]

00:00:28   with what I have to say our are perhaps [TS]

00:00:30   the core members of the book club [TS]

00:00:33   although we have many who come and go [TS]

00:00:35   and serenity Caldwell's a lot of them [TS]

00:00:36   there's a voice in this episode that we [TS]

00:00:38   haven't had with us for some time [TS]

00:00:40   because he's been a very busy fellow but [TS]

00:00:42   he read the assigned reading and so we [TS]

00:00:44   allowed him back on the podcast why so [TS]

00:00:46   is tia is not Dan more dan did you do [TS]

00:00:49   the assigned reading like most of it [TS]

00:00:52   alright i'll allow you back on the [TS]

00:00:53   podcast because you haven't been on at [TS]

00:00:55   least 24 hours [TS]

00:00:57   Scott McNulty also quite often he's on [TS]

00:01:00   every book club because he's read every [TS]

00:01:01   book hi Scott [TS]

00:01:02   hello I wasn't on every book club i did [TS]

00:01:04   not appear in the harry potter episode [TS]

00:01:06   i'm not sure that he encounters a book [TS]

00:01:09   club that was more of a phenomenon club [TS]

00:01:12   as it were and I despise it [TS]

00:01:14   and of course i was speaking earlier of [TS]

00:01:16   Glen fleischmann who is a friend of the [TS]

00:01:18   podcast and is frequently on but haven't [TS]

00:01:20   been on for a little while michael and [TS]

00:01:21   welcome back [TS]

00:01:22   hello oh wait that's not me hi hi there [TS]

00:01:26   alloy that has mr. McNulty lawyer I have [TS]

00:01:29   to ask you to cease and desist on any [TS]

00:01:30   hello [TS]

00:01:32   that's that's it the this podcast is [TS]

00:01:34   over [TS]

00:01:35   alright so we're going to do a with two [TS]

00:01:38   topics on the podcast this time [TS]

00:01:41   first we're going to do a book club [TS]

00:01:43   about john scalzi is recently published [TS]

00:01:46   novel the human division which is [TS]

00:01:49   interesting in that it was published [TS]

00:01:51   first as a weekly series of ebook [TS]

00:01:53   installments and then later wrapped up [TS]

00:01:55   into a regular old-fashioned book that [TS]

00:01:59   was published not too long ago and then [TS]

00:02:01   we're going to shift gears and talk a [TS]

00:02:03   little bit about the hugo nominees for [TS]

00:02:06   for short stories so for not not the not [TS]

00:02:09   the novel's we're going to do that on a [TS]

00:02:11   later show and we've been dutifully [TS]

00:02:12   plowing through those nominees and and [TS]

00:02:16   we'll get that in a few weeks but we're [TS]

00:02:18   going to talk about short stories [TS]

00:02:19   tonight instead so a little littlie will [TS]

00:02:22   to Part A two act play if you will of [TS]

00:02:26   the book club so we should get started [TS]

00:02:29   with john scalzi we covered him before [TS]

00:02:32   we talked about [TS]

00:02:33   we talked about his books numerous times [TS]

00:02:35   we talked about his novel redshirts last [TS]

00:02:37   year and he's back with this interesting [TS]

00:02:40   experiment of a serialize novel the [TS]

00:02:44   human division set in the same world as [TS]

00:02:48   his most i would say that we the thing [TS]

00:02:51   that made him well known the old man's [TS]

00:02:53   war University wrote he wrote four [TS]

00:02:56   novels in that universe and and he's [TS]

00:02:59   back with these tales of humans in a in [TS]

00:03:03   a big wide world or galaxy full of [TS]

00:03:06   different aliens many of whom are quite [TS]

00:03:08   threatening to the humans so for my [TS]

00:03:10   first question for you guys is how did [TS]

00:03:12   you read this did you read it in an [TS]

00:03:14   installment basis every week [TS]

00:03:17   did you save them up and read them in a [TS]

00:03:19   couple of bursts or did you wait for the [TS]

00:03:21   for it to be a novel and read it as a [TS]

00:03:23   whole I i kinda win some of the middle I [TS]

00:03:27   i would read a couple of them like when [TS]

00:03:29   they came out i think i read the first [TS]

00:03:31   since I i pre-ordered it so you got a [TS]

00:03:33   initial installment which was released [TS]

00:03:35   later for everybody else who bought the [TS]

00:03:37   whole thing that after the coup which is [TS]

00:03:39   sort of like a prologue and so I read [TS]

00:03:41   that and then like months later when the [TS]

00:03:43   human division start to come out i would [TS]

00:03:45   read like 10 maybe one or two and then [TS]

00:03:47   I'll probably forget for a couple weeks [TS]

00:03:49   and then sometimes every two or three to [TS]

00:03:51   stretch depending on I mean they're not [TS]

00:03:52   very long right so you can get away with [TS]

00:03:54   that right after the coup was was kind [TS]

00:03:57   of like the prequel it was just a short [TS]

00:03:59   story set in this world of old man's war [TS]

00:04:02   right it's a little bit longer than the [TS]

00:04:04   average but it turns out it it turns out [TS]

00:04:07   that those are characters that he picks [TS]

00:04:08   up and uses to in in most of the human [TS]

00:04:11   division right and at least one Harry is [TS]

00:04:14   is from earlier novels in this series [TS]

00:04:17   he's really a supporting character in [TS]

00:04:19   them [TS]

00:04:20   yes I I kinda was somewhere in the [TS]

00:04:21   middle there which means that every [TS]

00:04:23   couple weeks when I would pick up the [TS]

00:04:24   next installment i would think what [TS]

00:04:26   happened in the last installment they [TS]

00:04:28   need a previously on the human division [TS]

00:04:30   right Scott what about you [TS]

00:04:33   I was interested in reading it as it [TS]

00:04:38   came out but i found it annoying it [TS]

00:04:41   didn't happen i found it annoying that i [TS]

00:04:42   had to buy them separately [TS]

00:04:44   so I didn't do that and I waited until [TS]

00:04:46   they were all together so I could read [TS]

00:04:48   it in one fell swoop [TS]

00:04:50   I know I wanted to subscribe to it and [TS]

00:04:52   Amazon seem to just be incapable of that [TS]

00:04:54   as a concept [TS]

00:04:55   well no so amazon has something called [TS]

00:04:57   kindle cereals which is exactly this [TS]

00:05:00   idea that you subscribe to this like [TS]

00:05:02   book and you get chapters automatically [TS]

00:05:04   delivered the only problem with that of [TS]

00:05:06   course is that Amazon then says if [TS]

00:05:08   you're going to participate in the [TS]

00:05:09   serials you can't sell it anywhere else [TS]

00:05:12   yeah i think i think they also can't [TS]

00:05:13   they can't set the price anything other [TS]

00:05:15   than like 199 or some ridiculously low [TS]

00:05:18   price too so they they were never going [TS]

00:05:20   to do that and so instead you had to [TS]

00:05:22   order pre-order every order when it came [TS]

00:05:25   out every one of the thirteen chapters [TS]

00:05:28   which I did what I thought was really [TS]

00:05:30   stupid be great if we're living in an [TS]

00:05:32   age when computers manage these things [TS]

00:05:34   for its strange Glenn so how did you [TS]

00:05:36   read this [TS]

00:05:37   well I got confused because Oh Glenn [TS]

00:05:40   it's a good to have you back you can see [TS]

00:05:42   you can stop there Glenn it's cool i we [TS]

00:05:45   gave it away so long this this world of [TS]

00:05:47   yours so confusing after visiting other [TS]

00:05:50   blends the red two of the old man's word [TS]

00:05:54   for books in that University first two [TS]

00:05:57   and this came up for the book club so [TS]

00:05:59   like a human division and it was already [TS]

00:06:00   completely out because I've had this [TS]

00:06:02   kind of amnesia that goes with working [TS]

00:06:04   ridiculously hard for months at a time I [TS]

00:06:06   completely missed the fact this was [TS]

00:06:07   published as as a serial so I read it as [TS]

00:06:11   a straightforward thing I thought gosh [TS]

00:06:13   this book is episodic but i kinda liked [TS]

00:06:15   it and I thought oh this is great like [TS]

00:06:18   he's simulating the notion of releasing [TS]

00:06:19   stories one at a time that are [TS]

00:06:21   self-contained and have a kind of you [TS]

00:06:23   know cereal old movie narrative with [TS]

00:06:26   ridiculous daring do and i kind of i [TS]

00:06:28   read it differently like this was an [TS]

00:06:29   experiment as a book and then I get to [TS]

00:06:31   the end of like how but you know it [TS]

00:06:33   didn't actually it spoil my enjoyment of [TS]

00:06:35   the stories reading them all at once and [TS]

00:06:36   not actually understanding they were [TS]

00:06:38   intended to be released that way I [TS]

00:06:40   thought it was a really great [TS]

00:06:41   exploration of the form even without [TS]

00:06:43   knowing it was released in pieces over [TS]

00:06:45   four months that's very interesting to [TS]

00:06:47   me because I read his blog and follow me [TS]

00:06:49   on Twitter and it's like I was not it [TS]

00:06:50   was like human division like 24-7 [TS]

00:06:52   perfectly for like three months that [TS]

00:06:54   it's interesting because I think to [TS]

00:06:57   collinsport [TS]

00:06:57   and you know you can read Dickens and [TS]

00:06:59   you don't need to know the Dickens was [TS]

00:07:01   writing those things in a serialize with [TS]

00:07:04   newspaper but it does it just say [TS]

00:07:06   something about the form i I'm [TS]

00:07:08   fascinated by this experiment i think [TS]

00:07:10   it's i think it's a great thing that he [TS]

00:07:12   tried this I mean the this is similar to [TS]

00:07:17   the people talking about there's this [TS]

00:07:18   debate about whether you binge watch TV [TS]

00:07:21   episodes right or whether you watch them [TS]

00:07:23   one at a time and and whether a show is [TS]

00:07:26   actually better stretched out over long [TS]

00:07:28   periods of time or whether it's better [TS]

00:07:29   in the short bursts and I I don't think [TS]

00:07:32   there's one right answer and in the case [TS]

00:07:35   of hands on the story [TS]

00:07:36   yeah well and i was thinking i was [TS]

00:07:38   talking to somebody was watching lost [TS]

00:07:39   and I said it's one of my favorite shows [TS]

00:07:43   I think it's great i think you might [TS]

00:07:44   actually like it better because one of [TS]

00:07:45   the big frustrations when people [TS]

00:07:46   watching it [TS]

00:07:47   yeah people complain about like they [TS]

00:07:49   didn't answer my questions and all that [TS]

00:07:50   but i think a lot of that was caught up [TS]

00:07:52   in this you know that the show would be [TS]

00:07:53   on and then it would be gone for months [TS]

00:07:55   and then it would be on again for a [TS]

00:07:56   little bit minutes gone for another you [TS]

00:07:58   know eight months and and if you can [TS]

00:08:00   just keep on going [TS]

00:08:02   it's a little less frustrating at the [TS]

00:08:04   same time it can kind of be exhausting [TS]

00:08:06   so this was this was interesting in in [TS]

00:08:09   that he tried to pace it out and [TS]

00:08:10   although he sold up front because I i [TS]

00:08:12   read him on his blog and read him on [TS]

00:08:14   Twitter to he sold it is like a TV [TS]

00:08:16   series and I think that's false i I [TS]

00:08:19   don't think you can call this a TV [TS]

00:08:20   series because a TV series doesn't just [TS]

00:08:23   go away from all the main characters for [TS]

00:08:26   an entire episode and he did that in [TS]

00:08:28   this I mean it's fine but well yeah [TS]

00:08:30   they're kinda like yeah they're kind of [TS]

00:08:32   like those like one-off episode I mean [TS]

00:08:35   it's hard because if you look at [TS]

00:08:36   something like Game of Thrones or the [TS]

00:08:38   wire there are episodes in which major [TS]

00:08:42   characters do not appear but you always [TS]

00:08:44   do have some sort of anchor right some [TS]

00:08:46   of your characters are there yes right [TS]

00:08:48   and these we really do just walk away [TS]

00:08:50   from the main characters or their [TS]

00:08:51   mentioned or something like that which [TS]

00:08:53   is a little strange from the perspective [TS]

00:08:55   of a TV series but I mean there are [TS]

00:08:57   ontology series to write like you know [TS]

00:08:59   you think of something like I mean get [TS]

00:09:01   those tend to be even more decentralized [TS]

00:09:03   if you think about something like a [TS]

00:09:04   Twilight Zone er yeah there's no there's [TS]

00:09:06   no through-line image anthology series i [TS]

00:09:08   just i thought it was a little bit of a [TS]

00:09:09   myth [TS]

00:09:10   miss statement about what he was [TS]

00:09:12   actually doing here but what's funny is [TS]

00:09:15   you know people will talk about this as [TS]

00:09:16   it was coming out and I did read it as [TS]

00:09:18   it was coming week by week and people [TS]

00:09:20   would get frustrated when the [TS]

00:09:22   installment of that week didn't directly [TS]

00:09:24   pick up on what had happened before I [TS]

00:09:28   actually kinda found it kind of fun I [TS]

00:09:30   like i said i thought it was sort of he [TS]

00:09:32   shouldn't have said it was like a TV [TS]

00:09:33   series we're literally every episode is [TS]

00:09:35   going to be our little friends on the [TS]

00:09:36   spaceship get into trouble which is [TS]

00:09:38   certainly what he was setting up in the [TS]

00:09:39   first couple of chapters but i liked a [TS]

00:09:42   lot of the diversions and I like seeing [TS]

00:09:44   how it obviously fed into the main story [TS]

00:09:46   and I i kinda like the episodic nature [TS]

00:09:51   of it in a you know it was it was fun to [TS]

00:09:53   have that experience and to have those [TS]

00:09:55   cliffhangers where I really did [TS]

00:09:56   experience this novel / 12 or 13 weeks [TS]

00:10:00   instead of in you know a week or so of [TS]

00:10:02   reading it [TS]

00:10:03   yeah it's a I mean I love serialize [TS]

00:10:05   stuff i mean Jason of course you read a [TS]

00:10:07   lot comic books which have a similar [TS]

00:10:09   sort of going on right so I think I the [TS]

00:10:13   thing I like about something like a [TS]

00:10:14   serialize story when it comes to [TS]

00:10:16   television or comic books is that [TS]

00:10:17   there's often a sense and this is true [TS]

00:10:19   too in like longer book series [TS]

00:10:22   there's a sense of rewarding the reader [TS]

00:10:24   you know over a long period of time so [TS]

00:10:27   you know you watch a TV show and there's [TS]

00:10:29   like something mentioned in the episode [TS]

00:10:31   1 and it comes back you know it in like [TS]

00:10:34   episode 12 and you feel like a little [TS]

00:10:36   bit of like oh yeah I noticed that like [TS]

00:10:38   oh good they got back to that right like [TS]

00:10:39   and then that was the thing that [TS]

00:10:40   frustrated so many people about lost [TS]

00:10:41   they feel like ants were dropped and [TS]

00:10:43   never picked up again so I like that [TS]

00:10:46   there's in some ways even though this [TS]

00:10:47   was released episodically there no i [TS]

00:10:51   didn't feel like there was a maybe [TS]

00:10:52   enough of that although it's hard to [TS]

00:10:53   tell because you know I think maybe if I [TS]

00:10:56   went back and read it all now straight [TS]

00:10:57   through [TS]

00:10:58   I would pick up on things that had been [TS]

00:11:00   you know for sure earlier and there's [TS]

00:11:01   definitely some stuff that like alludes [TS]

00:11:03   to things you know there's clearly [TS]

00:11:04   foreshadowing knows what he's doing but [TS]

00:11:07   it's it's such a different scope because [TS]

00:11:09   it's almost more like a miniseries right [TS]

00:11:11   now Glenn said that he picked up on the [TS]

00:11:13   episodic nature of that I was going to [TS]

00:11:14   ask that question of if you read this as [TS]

00:11:16   a novel not realizing how it originally [TS]

00:11:19   been published [TS]

00:11:19   would you would you notice [TS]

00:11:21   well let me speak to that hypothetically [TS]

00:11:23   from a practical standpoint [TS]

00:11:25   yeah I i think it held together for me I [TS]

00:11:29   mean I got somewhere through it i [TS]

00:11:30   honestly didn't look it up and wonder I [TS]

00:11:32   thought scalzi likes to play with the [TS]

00:11:34   form of the novel and I actually thought [TS]

00:11:36   at some point this was going to be a [TS]

00:11:38   little red shirt be because the stuff [TS]

00:11:40   that happens at points is so ludicrous [TS]

00:11:42   and it's always you know it's always [TS]

00:11:44   Harry is the left at the last second the [TS]

00:11:48   timer counts down and then the ship [TS]

00:11:50   blows a hatch he grabs the hatch and [TS]

00:11:52   manages to ride it you know that kind of [TS]

00:11:54   thing is like the the improbable miss of [TS]

00:11:56   the MacGyver ish whatever all comes [TS]

00:11:58   together in every episode so I thought [TS]

00:12:00   at some level maybe he was going to show [TS]

00:12:02   that there was a manipulation going on [TS]

00:12:04   that was causing this kind of [TS]

00:12:06   ridiculousness to happen I realize now [TS]

00:12:08   these aren't the meta books this is just [TS]

00:12:10   the way it's set up and stuff keeps [TS]

00:12:12   happening these guys and they have to [TS]

00:12:13   roll with the punches of sometimes [TS]

00:12:15   really ridiculous plot elements but [TS]

00:12:17   because its colors you get deeper than [TS]

00:12:20   just the you know oh no here's a [TS]

00:12:22   mechanism you have to defeat and thats [TS]

00:12:24   it's like now there's this big [TS]

00:12:25   conspiracy [TS]

00:12:26   there's arch there's these well-drawn [TS]

00:12:29   characters in some cases in some of them [TS]

00:12:31   are very thin but also some very well [TS]

00:12:33   drawn ones and I felt there was enough [TS]

00:12:35   of a through line for me I felt it was [TS]

00:12:37   more like episodes of Star Trek if [TS]

00:12:38   anything you know and I was thinking [TS]

00:12:40   that's we're talking talking earlier [TS]

00:12:42   there is the episode does conspiracy how [TS]

00:12:45   to go look this up the 25th episode of [TS]

00:12:48   season [TS]

00:12:49   whatever and looked up here where it [TS]

00:12:53   turns out that there's a conspiracy and [TS]

00:12:55   I animation it's aliens have inhabited [TS]

00:12:57   in Seattle right and then it's never [TS]

00:12:59   followed up on ever again as Star Trek [TS]

00:13:02   The Next Generation yeah and I felt [TS]

00:13:04   there was a little element of that that [TS]

00:13:06   there was sort of almost too much [TS]

00:13:08   mystery there were too many things going [TS]

00:13:09   on there are too many sinister forces [TS]

00:13:12   but i thought this is kind of the nature [TS]

00:13:14   of something that felt episodic and [TS]

00:13:16   turned out was designed that way is that [TS]

00:13:17   you want to have these things that are [TS]

00:13:19   bigger than the story because if they're [TS]

00:13:21   within the story than you're done that [TS]

00:13:23   you have to invent the next thing for [TS]

00:13:24   the next story instead having a [TS]

00:13:26   far-ranging inexplicable mysterious and [TS]

00:13:29   even improbable conspiracy is a great [TS]

00:13:31   backdrop on twitch [TS]

00:13:33   set all these different plot elements [TS]

00:13:35   emotion yeah the only difference between [TS]

00:13:37   this in an episode of Star Trek is like [TS]

00:13:39   I said you wouldn't have a whole episode [TS]

00:13:41   of Star Trek that just involves the [TS]

00:13:42   people all of whom are basically going [TS]

00:13:44   to die down on a planet somewhere or the [TS]

00:13:47   radio talk show host basically honor [TS]

00:13:50   those are those are cutaways but they're [TS]

00:13:53   here they're there were entire [TS]

00:13:54   installment so in a novel i would just [TS]

00:13:56   be like all right I can read the next [TS]

00:13:57   chapter or not in installments you you [TS]

00:14:00   have that was like that's it [TS]

00:14:01   I don't get to see my friends this week [TS]

00:14:03   it just it was a different feeling Scott [TS]

00:14:05   with how did you feel it held together [TS]

00:14:08   as a novel versus a series of episodes [TS]

00:14:11   uh well III think that certainly each [TS]

00:14:15   episode each chapter was named in [TS]

00:14:17   episode so that's a good tip off if you [TS]

00:14:19   are not aware of material nature of the [TS]

00:14:23   book but I think overall it helped thank [TS]

00:14:26   you i mean i think scalzi is at his best [TS]

00:14:30   in this universe [TS]

00:14:32   I think he becomes no I saw him speak [TS]

00:14:35   once and he talked about how he likes to [TS]

00:14:39   write dialogue and he thinks he's very [TS]

00:14:40   good at it [TS]

00:14:41   I wish I agree with him he writes very [TS]

00:14:43   funny snappy dialogue and he's less good [TS]

00:14:45   at writing descriptions of things which [TS]

00:14:48   i always find interesting thinking about [TS]

00:14:49   that as i'm reading his books because he [TS]

00:14:52   introduces all these aliens and he [TS]

00:14:54   hardly ever really describes what they [TS]

00:14:57   look like [TS]

00:14:58   which i think is effective because the [TS]

00:15:00   reader's imagination can just fill in [TS]

00:15:02   the blanks of what these outrageous [TS]

00:15:04   aliens are he gives you just enough to [TS]

00:15:07   say like it's the size of a dog and [TS]

00:15:09   looks like a mantis and then he just [TS]

00:15:10   walks away [TS]

00:15:11   I got asked them to because I now i'm [TS]

00:15:13   curious so there's a heightened I'm [TS]

00:15:15   gonna butcher than her name hefty so [TS]

00:15:17   valla I want to know how you get to me I [TS]

00:15:20   picture her having she's like the legs [TS]

00:15:22   of like big bird and then but like [TS]

00:15:24   turning into like the roadrunner at the [TS]

00:15:26   top that's just the image in my head a [TS]

00:15:28   picture like Aunt beast from from her [TS]

00:15:31   mother going time [TS]

00:15:32   yeah sort of because she's kind of a [TS]

00:15:33   monster but she doesn't necessarily you [TS]

00:15:36   know she's very nice but looks like a [TS]

00:15:38   monster [TS]

00:15:38   exactly that is a great that last little [TS]

00:15:41   extra story that was apparently not part [TS]

00:15:43   of the serialization have to [TS]

00:15:44   overall it's a churro and speaks to the [TS]

00:15:46   youth of today actually had me in tears [TS]

00:15:48   it's Abby I'm like I want to spin off [TS]

00:15:50   series with her because he painted her [TS]

00:15:52   in such a rich way that almost nobody [TS]

00:15:55   else in the whole series gets that much [TS]

00:15:58   attention [TS]

00:15:59   it's it's you know they're yeah i think [TS]

00:16:02   what you said earlier about there being [TS]

00:16:03   some well-drawn characters and some not [TS]

00:16:05   so well-drawn characters I I think [TS]

00:16:07   you've got your main characters who are [TS]

00:16:09   the the the two guys was Harry Wilson [TS]

00:16:13   and heart and hard right hard Schmidt it [TS]

00:16:16   and there and there your and we get the [TS]

00:16:20   episode where he goes back to richmond [TS]

00:16:22   goes back to his is there like your [TS]

00:16:23   buddy cops [TS]

00:16:25   yeah yeah and then and then you've got [TS]

00:16:26   your kind of like trope characters your [TS]

00:16:28   your you know growth ambassador and your [TS]

00:16:32   kind of honorable captain who doesn't [TS]

00:16:35   want don't break the ship kinda and they [TS]

00:16:37   break the ship that totally break the [TS]

00:16:39   shit like it like in every episode they [TS]

00:16:41   break this [TS]

00:16:41   yeah exactly and and so it's kind of [TS]

00:16:44   like you know you've got your ensemble [TS]

00:16:46   and you get your main characters and [TS]

00:16:47   then you've got your ensemble and you've [TS]

00:16:49   got sort of a breakout character in [TS]

00:16:50   something like like like a hottie sort [TS]

00:16:52   of all who is this [TS]

00:16:54   you know alien day that they deal with [TS]

00:16:56   and Scott I think you're exactly right [TS]

00:16:59   this is it was so refreshing for me to [TS]

00:17:02   see skulls be back playing in this [TS]

00:17:04   universe because he it is he does a good [TS]

00:17:07   job at it and it's funny we cut it kind [TS]

00:17:09   of criticized him a little bit in red [TS]

00:17:11   shirts for wondering if he was pandering [TS]

00:17:12   a little bit too much too kind of nerd [TS]

00:17:14   culture and and here you could also [TS]

00:17:16   argue that he's retreating into this [TS]

00:17:18   familiar universe that he's built but at [TS]

00:17:20   the same time he's built its rich it's [TS]

00:17:23   got a lot of depth and really that first [TS]

00:17:25   set of books didn't have a fermenting it [TS]

00:17:29   was more like the climax of that part of [TS]

00:17:32   the other like act 1 of this story i'll [TS]

00:17:34   set up [TS]

00:17:35   yeah whereas i mean in that the human [TS]

00:17:37   division is sort of a second act because [TS]

00:17:39   it two ends on a you know is anything [TS]

00:17:43   really resolved so you know how you get [TS]

00:17:45   toward the end of a book or like 40 [TS]

00:17:47   minutes into a TV show and you're like [TS]

00:17:48   they're this can't be wrapped itself so [TS]

00:17:51   instead it was week 11 and i finished [TS]

00:17:53   week 11 and I think he's not going he [TS]

00:17:57   in this he it's not how many first i [TS]

00:17:59   went to the website was like how many [TS]

00:18:00   chapters other 13 huh that's not gonna [TS]

00:18:04   he's not gonna end indeed although we [TS]

00:18:08   get sort of a climax and there's some [TS]

00:18:10   excitement the grand mystery that has [TS]

00:18:13   been put forth very slowly over the [TS]

00:18:15   course of this book is not even room is [TS]

00:18:17   not resolved at all it's still out there [TS]

00:18:19   so stay tuned for season two of the [TS]

00:18:22   human division which is coming he is [TS]

00:18:23   going to do another book and he i think [TS]

00:18:25   is going to do it as a serial but it was [TS]

00:18:28   a little frustrating where when i [TS]

00:18:29   realized i signed up because it was [TS]

00:18:31   scalzi and because i thought it was an [TS]

00:18:32   interesting interesting experiment not [TS]

00:18:34   knowing that it was going to be booked [TS]

00:18:36   one of the new series i guess [TS]

00:18:39   well and I mean it's like a television [TS]

00:18:41   show in that way right like you get to [TS]

00:18:42   the end of the first season and you're [TS]

00:18:43   like well but there's usually that's [TS]

00:18:46   funny there's usually a better [TS]

00:18:47   there's a cliffhanger is often a [TS]

00:18:49   resolution like usually they have to [TS]

00:18:50   solve one problem introduce more or like [TS]

00:18:53   there has to be some Ark that's [TS]

00:18:54   completed I don't feel like there's art [TS]

00:18:56   that's completed you got to this point [TS]

00:18:57   where it's you know it's the anti didn't [TS]

00:19:00   do mall or something it's like you're at [TS]

00:19:02   the the crux of something really big [TS]

00:19:05   happening we get some resolution so it's [TS]

00:19:07   like what will happen to our heroes [TS]

00:19:09   after they plunge through the atmosphere [TS]

00:19:10   to earth earth stations destroyed and [TS]

00:19:13   it's like all right well but but we [TS]

00:19:14   don't have any resolution at all yet why [TS]

00:19:17   they mean the question of Earth and [TS]

00:19:18   going to earth as being the big build-up [TS]

00:19:21   I mean I felt I felt like that was good [TS]

00:19:23   but you're right it wasn't it didn't [TS]

00:19:25   actually resolve a lot of the questions [TS]

00:19:26   set out it was something came out like [TS]

00:19:29   there was some clues like oh the [TS]

00:19:31   conspiracy actually involves but the [TS]

00:19:33   wing and then set up but that's not that [TS]

00:19:36   can't be the whole story [TS]

00:19:37   it just felt like it I'm it's sort of [TS]

00:19:39   catalytic it's a season-ending it's a [TS]

00:19:41   season-ending cliffhanger is what we [TS]

00:19:43   have but if you think it i don't feel [TS]

00:19:44   like we got enough in the whole arc [TS]

00:19:45   because the whole like the whole setup [TS]

00:19:48   was all these mysterious things [TS]

00:19:50   happening the connections that they make [TS]

00:19:52   between them as super observers he gave [TS]

00:19:53   us a little too much knowledge about the [TS]

00:19:55   connections he didn't withhold enough [TS]

00:19:56   from us so it was obvious early on that [TS]

00:19:59   was connections between all these things [TS]

00:20:00   we saw ships be blown up from a position [TS]

00:20:02   that none of the main characters could [TS]

00:20:04   see so I don't know I felt like this was [TS]

00:20:06   two-thirds of the arc and we should've [TS]

00:20:08   gotten more [TS]

00:20:08   without the resolution itself had a [TS]

00:20:10   cliffhanger but felt like there was some [TS]

00:20:12   sense of partial completion and then the [TS]

00:20:14   bigger our quick arias on he does a nice [TS]

00:20:17   job with like Scott's and he's got a [TS]

00:20:21   dialogue he has a good sense of humor [TS]

00:20:22   and I like how he has a good sense of [TS]

00:20:26   how to pair sense of humor with the [TS]

00:20:30   sci-fi action in a way that if the humor [TS]

00:20:34   wasn't there it would seem really kind [TS]

00:20:36   of cliche and like I said we've seen all [TS]

00:20:37   of these these tricks before but because [TS]

00:20:40   he's got these it kind of amusing [TS]

00:20:42   characters and they're funny and they [TS]

00:20:44   they they know that they're in these [TS]

00:20:45   ridiculous situations it doesn't come [TS]

00:20:47   across as a comedy but it becomes [TS]

00:20:48   enjoyable and then when there is a [TS]

00:20:50   moment of of action like in the climax [TS]

00:20:53   here where there's the space station [TS]

00:20:54   that's going to be destroyed in there [TS]

00:20:55   then you know they end up having to be [TS]

00:20:57   clever in order to go out into the [TS]

00:20:59   vacuum and end up down on planet earth [TS]

00:21:02   and there are cows and there are some [TS]

00:21:04   jokes and I mean there's lots of that [TS]

00:21:06   you know it works I i think that's what [TS]

00:21:08   what it's like his secret sauce is he's [TS]

00:21:10   got some he's got the jokes and then [TS]

00:21:12   he's got a real mastery of these space [TS]

00:21:15   opera kind of gambits and he puts them [TS]

00:21:18   together in a way that's a pleasant III [TS]

00:21:20   this is the kind of Island this is the [TS]

00:21:22   kind of book that I is like comfort food [TS]

00:21:24   to me because this is like I don't find [TS]

00:21:27   it particularly challenging but it's so [TS]

00:21:29   enjoyable to go on an adventure like [TS]

00:21:32   this with somebody who's very good at [TS]

00:21:34   telling these stories i always think of [TS]

00:21:36   this in my head is classified under the [TS]

00:21:38   ripping good yarn kind of tale is I [TS]

00:21:41   think that the way I always describe my [TS]

00:21:43   head it's it's an adventure right it's [TS]

00:21:44   almost it's almost pulpy like in its you [TS]

00:21:47   know space hero thing but you know I i [TS]

00:21:49   agree that that the the sort of levity [TS]

00:21:53   in it does a good job of keeping it [TS]

00:21:55   thinks you know it feels to me like it [TS]

00:21:57   feels to me like like castle [TS]

00:21:58   Wow show right like that has kind of [TS]

00:22:01   deals with castle in Spain a ringing [TS]

00:22:03   endorsement that would not be fireflies [TS]

00:22:05   in firefly castle in Spanish yeah well [TS]

00:22:07   it deals with like there's there are [TS]

00:22:09   like that show people get murdered but [TS]

00:22:11   the right like but the thing that keeps [TS]

00:22:12   us going back is that the protagonist is [TS]

00:22:14   kind of charming and there's good like [TS]

00:22:15   banter you know and it's and it's a more [TS]

00:22:18   than a crime procedural it's it's very [TS]

00:22:20   comic or at least light-hearted [TS]

00:22:22   you know it's not your you know Dexter [TS]

00:22:24   something like that right like right [TS]

00:22:26   just like it's not like bloody and gory [TS]

00:22:28   it's just very you know it's got that [TS]

00:22:30   sort of light-hearted you kind of know [TS]

00:22:31   people will be alright in the end you [TS]

00:22:33   know you're not too worried about that [TS]

00:22:34   although they do have the whole episode [TS]

00:22:37   where we're hard Schmidt goes back to [TS]

00:22:39   his family and we get to know them all [TS]

00:22:40   and and reading that episodically I kept [TS]

00:22:43   thinking we're spending a lot of time [TS]

00:22:45   with this guy [TS]

00:22:46   are they gonna kill him right away [TS]

00:22:48   because that's what it felt like [TS]

00:22:50   and indeed he's immediately put in grave [TS]

00:22:52   jeopardy and I kept waiting for him to [TS]

00:22:53   die and he didn't know they put too much [TS]

00:22:55   but too much information about him to [TS]

00:22:57   kill him as my friend would say he's in [TS]

00:23:00   the opening credits so you can't kill [TS]

00:23:02   him kill him [TS]

00:23:03   well I anything can happen in a book III [TS]

00:23:07   like there's a like a a geopolitical [TS]

00:23:09   metaphor here but there's a a bit in [TS]

00:23:12   more we in here episode have to look it [TS]

00:23:15   up now in the bit where they find the [TS]

00:23:17   brain in the box so we have we three [TS]

00:23:18   spoiler horns is everyone ready yeah I [TS]

00:23:21   hope everybody's read this but Zach yeah [TS]

00:23:24   episode 11 a problem of proportion [TS]

00:23:26   starts out this very light or the thing [TS]

00:23:28   they find this you know this ship has [TS]

00:23:29   been disabled they're gonna go and see [TS]

00:23:31   what the deal is that right it out [TS]

00:23:33   waited whoever is attacking them and [TS]

00:23:35   they've gotten this ship haha and the [TS]

00:23:37   ship and they find theirs and so they [TS]

00:23:38   get together this very funny it's [TS]

00:23:40   actually very amusing together a crew [TS]

00:23:42   drawn from different races and they're [TS]

00:23:43   sort of being hilarious and so forth and [TS]

00:23:45   then and then you find begin the ship is [TS]

00:23:49   like Oh Wilson finds its being run by a [TS]

00:23:52   brain in a box that they have [TS]

00:23:54   essentially is taken someone Collins [TS]

00:23:58   races [TS]

00:23:59   they've taken this captain and they've [TS]

00:24:02   taken his brain and stuck into a [TS]

00:24:04   computational unit he's running the ship [TS]

00:24:05   and they promised him you get your body [TS]

00:24:07   back if the missions over and sort of [TS]

00:24:09   creepy and at some point one of the [TS]

00:24:11   other races i forget if it's all about [TS]

00:24:12   the river says you know actually you [TS]

00:24:15   guys kind of do that you humans do that [TS]

00:24:16   you sort of take brains your brains you [TS]

00:24:19   transfer people's knowledge from one [TS]

00:24:23   body to another so this is actually sort [TS]

00:24:25   of your technology like oh it started [TS]

00:24:27   out something really creepy then it sort [TS]

00:24:29   of seemed like wait you know this is [TS]

00:24:31   something that humans can do are kinda [TS]

00:24:33   creepy [TS]

00:24:34   it's one of the things that i like that [TS]

00:24:36   is that doesn't really affect chapter [TS]

00:24:38   where the one of the best i think [TS]

00:24:39   because it has that humor and then you [TS]

00:24:41   go to report it [TS]

00:24:43   yeah I also actually like the like the [TS]

00:24:45   little cut away on the planet where they [TS]

00:24:47   they they were the rogue colony and [TS]

00:24:49   there they realized that something has [TS]

00:24:50   gone horribly wrong [TS]

00:24:52   the the the overall plot here one of the [TS]

00:24:55   things I like about it is that in a lot [TS]

00:24:57   of the space opera sort of stories you [TS]

00:24:59   end up with you know it's humans vs [TS]

00:25:02   aliens right that's that's what is the [TS]

00:25:04   only it's a big bad universe out there [TS]

00:25:05   and in this case the the politics is is [TS]

00:25:08   quite different there there's the [TS]

00:25:09   Conclave and then there's the earth the [TS]

00:25:12   one day that it's not the Earth Alliance [TS]

00:25:14   it's the colonial Union colonial Union [TS]

00:25:18   right okay so but then there's earth and [TS]

00:25:20   earth is not it's on the outs with the [TS]

00:25:23   colonial Union's you have this [TS]

00:25:24   interesting dynamic where the fate of [TS]

00:25:27   humanity may not rest in the balance the [TS]

00:25:29   fate of the political construct of the [TS]

00:25:32   of the union may hang in the balance but [TS]

00:25:36   the humanity may be fine and so you've [TS]

00:25:38   got kind of humanity is not a monolithic [TS]

00:25:40   entity and aliens are maneuvering about [TS]

00:25:43   you know should we should hook up with [TS]

00:25:45   these guys are these guys and then and [TS]

00:25:48   behind it all is this question about are [TS]

00:25:50   these attacks coming from humans to and [TS]

00:25:52   what's the political motivation and i [TS]

00:25:53   like that it wasn't just a you know its [TS]

00:25:55   people vs. aliens thing and actually the [TS]

00:25:58   people you know are not necessarily all [TS]

00:26:01   on the same side i thought that was kind [TS]

00:26:03   of cool and that the aliens may be on [TS]

00:26:04   our side there's a wonderful bit in that [TS]

00:26:06   story at the end about a howl off buying [TS]

00:26:08   a truck without buying loving churros [TS]

00:26:11   where the little kid says to her you [TS]

00:26:13   monster and she's like well I don't know [TS]

00:26:15   what's a monster to you and it's like I [TS]

00:26:17   don't think I'm a monster and it becomes [TS]

00:26:19   that great little she's like I'm a woman [TS]

00:26:21   it's like you're a woman well yeah a [TS]

00:26:22   woman a little rough analog in my race i [TS]

00:26:25   am a woman but i'm also this other [TS]

00:26:27   species and i thought was a nice little [TS]

00:26:29   brain be no manipulation there you go [TS]

00:26:31   back and forth between those images [TS]

00:26:33   Scott what did you think of a human [TS]

00:26:35   division overall I thought it was [TS]

00:26:39   enjoyable I mean it's a quick light [TS]

00:26:41   reading especially if it isn't stretched [TS]

00:26:43   over 13 weeks yeah [TS]

00:26:45   reading in one lump i read it and like [TS]

00:26:48   you know a few hours but it was very [TS]

00:26:50   enjoyable uh I found the the dog king [TS]

00:26:54   episode to be god-kings great [TS]

00:26:56   entertaining even though I knew what was [TS]

00:26:59   going to happen i still thought it was [TS]

00:27:01   very entertaining [TS]

00:27:02   he is a he has a knack for like jason [TS]

00:27:06   said the humor in and you know in the [TS]

00:27:08   humour and in science fiction is humor [TS]

00:27:11   in general is difficult to do but then [TS]

00:27:13   you add science fiction and it makes it [TS]

00:27:15   even more difficult i think all that [TS]

00:27:17   episode was that chapter was sort of an [TS]

00:27:19   episode of futurama's first season but [TS]

00:27:21   nevermind it always comes back to [TS]

00:27:24   involve a dog of all fried was the dog [TS]

00:27:26   but still sorry [TS]

00:27:27   overall I would say thumbs up yeah much [TS]

00:27:30   better than red shirts in my opinion [TS]

00:27:33   yeah my only my only my only quibble and [TS]

00:27:38   it's fairly minor was that I thought he [TS]

00:27:40   went back to the the smart blood well [TS]

00:27:43   one time too many [TS]

00:27:44   there's like four three or four [TS]

00:27:46   different episodes in which it sits like [TS]

00:27:50   the deus ex machina out like don't worry [TS]

00:27:51   my blood is sparked I i hate his names [TS]

00:27:55   for things like I like the names of [TS]

00:27:57   those people that like BrainPal and [TS]

00:27:59   smart lad our blood and accounting makes [TS]

00:28:00   a joke about BrainPal sounding stupid [TS]

00:28:02   and one of the chapters i think they [TS]

00:28:04   said at the same time that's you know [TS]

00:28:06   that's what they named it right like [TS]

00:28:07   yeah yes your ipad/iphone matter if [TS]

00:28:11   you're smiling and I think it's not [TS]

00:28:14   agree that it's kind of awkward you want [TS]

00:28:16   a cooler name but at the same time it [TS]

00:28:18   seems very realistic to me [TS]

00:28:19   well you're probably right there the [TS]

00:28:21   smart blood I think he's afraid of the [TS]

00:28:23   smart blood becoming a total deus ex [TS]

00:28:25   machina so he calls it out but it's [TS]

00:28:27   still totally I mean if you don't then [TS]

00:28:31   it's like star trek into darkness was [TS]

00:28:33   like well they've got this magical but [TS]

00:28:34   blood now right so you can't what are [TS]

00:28:36   you doing with that trouble you can't [TS]

00:28:37   win it's it's magical blood it's there [TS]

00:28:39   at but you know he does [TS]

00:28:41   they do a lot of like wait we can use [TS]

00:28:43   that blood again it's so versatile [TS]

00:28:47   well yeah I mean I think it would be how [TS]

00:28:49   it had been used once or you know it [TS]

00:28:51   might have been [TS]

00:28:52   yeah i think i would be cool with it but [TS]

00:28:53   it does seriously I think it's you both [TS]

00:28:55   of the dogs episode right because that's [TS]

00:28:57   how they save the dog [TS]

00:28:58   and then in the episode with the the [TS]

00:29:01   Marines Special Forces guys were trapped [TS]

00:29:04   interrogated they use it to she sets it [TS]

00:29:06   on fire [TS]

00:29:06   that was a great escape senior like [TS]

00:29:08   she's naked she's tied up she has [TS]

00:29:10   nothing and they're about to torture her [TS]

00:29:12   to death [TS]

00:29:13   what will she do it was great and she [TS]

00:29:16   still gets out of it [TS]

00:29:17   I quite like that episode I thought that [TS]

00:29:19   was well well done with and it was one [TS]

00:29:20   of the more interesting for me more the [TS]

00:29:22   more interesting cutaways because it [TS]

00:29:25   would feel very much like a like a [TS]

00:29:27   what's the word [TS]

00:29:29   it's the you know the episode the [TS]

00:29:30   self-contained bottle episode you know [TS]

00:29:31   sort of thing where it's like alright [TS]

00:29:33   different characters were in this room [TS]

00:29:35   their lineup cut though they're tied up [TS]

00:29:37   naked go so as a follower of this of the [TS]

00:29:39   series too i really enjoy you know the [TS]

00:29:42   way the series works is your the there [TS]

00:29:44   are people here on earth and they become [TS]

00:29:45   80 years old or whatever and they leave [TS]

00:29:47   her forever to go become to get a new [TS]

00:29:50   body and then there are a soldier a [TS]

00:29:52   great premise old mentor really good [TS]

00:29:53   book the other books are good too even [TS]

00:29:56   though his tail [TS]

00:29:57   I really which is the first book in this [TS]

00:29:59   series that i read tells sort of this [TS]

00:30:01   plot of the third book from a different [TS]

00:30:03   perspective really good what we don't [TS]

00:30:06   ever see in that series is Earth [TS]

00:30:10   interacting with outer space we really [TS]

00:30:12   leave Earth and we never go back there [TS]

00:30:14   we never really see much about it and [TS]

00:30:16   that's what was really enjoyable about [TS]

00:30:18   this is that the climax of the of the [TS]

00:30:20   previous series was earth and [TS]

00:30:22   confronting or being confronted with the [TS]

00:30:24   truth about what was happening in space [TS]

00:30:26   here we actually get to see the [TS]

00:30:27   interactions and there are lots of jokes [TS]

00:30:28   about the Cubs winning the world series [TS]

00:30:30   which I find amusing and and we get we [TS]

00:30:33   get to see what's happening on earth and [TS]

00:30:35   there's you know they're they're like an [TS]

00:30:37   ambassador and their spies and there's [TS]

00:30:39   intrigue on earth and there's a bombing [TS]

00:30:40   and and and an informant who has [TS]

00:30:44   important information and then who of [TS]

00:30:46   course turns up dead immediately after [TS]

00:30:48   its and it's fun to have that all in [TS]

00:30:50   there together because before it was [TS]

00:30:53   like we were either out in the colonies [TS]

00:30:55   and you know or there was like back on [TS]

00:30:57   earth before but there was nothing in [TS]

00:30:59   between [TS]

00:30:59   isn't she like the I forget I like the [TS]

00:31:01   you know the daughter of the senator [TS]

00:31:02   who's on admission who is also sexy his [TS]

00:31:05   brother happens to be [TS]

00:31:07   you know it's great yeah yeah that's [TS]

00:31:09   fine they never the thing is I never [TS]

00:31:10   hook up which is sort of funny it's like [TS]

00:31:12   a lot of something but it's great it's a [TS]

00:31:14   lot of Miss connections and of course [TS]

00:31:15   Harry is to know ball and you know try [TS]

00:31:17   metabolize alcohol and so forth yeah [TS]

00:31:19   he's our little R little characters are [TS]

00:31:21   becoming a little kind of a nerd to you [TS]

00:31:22   is like that he said yeah yeah so it's [TS]

00:31:25   only I'm sorry [TS]

00:31:26   so generally positive thoughts about [TS]

00:31:27   about human division you're going to [TS]

00:31:29   read the next one at some point i'll [TS]

00:31:32   totally read the next one I Drive your [TS]

00:31:34   weekly or where you read it at the end i [TS]

00:31:36   will probably read it weekly because i [TS]

00:31:38   had lack willpower huh that's what he's [TS]

00:31:41   counting on that's what that's how [TS]

00:31:42   schools to get you [TS]

00:31:43   that's right that extra three dollars i [TS]

00:31:45   gave him with her just get confusion and [TS]

00:31:47   these are like me and then you could [TS]

00:31:49   read it all at once and not realize that [TS]

00:31:50   I am fusion you and fuchsia yeah it's [TS]

00:31:55   great [TS]

00:31:56   over the next hour the next college I [TS]

00:31:58   you know this is the thing he is just [TS]

00:32:00   even at his laziest or the times we [TS]

00:32:03   don't like him as much because of [TS]

00:32:04   whatever devices are plots using he's a [TS]

00:32:06   really terrific writer like I like to i [TS]

00:32:08   mean i think i will want to reading [TS]

00:32:09   everything he's written at some point I [TS]

00:32:11   don't think anyone's tried to wave me [TS]

00:32:13   off anything in particular because I've [TS]

00:32:15   like every area of like everything is [TS]

00:32:17   written we just you know he writes he [TS]

00:32:18   writes well and i'll come back you know [TS]

00:32:20   i'll come back to it and and i'll be the [TS]

00:32:23   next week I want to know what happens in [TS]

00:32:25   all kinds of crazy stuff is happening at [TS]

00:32:26   the end and i'm still inches not like [TS]

00:32:28   crazy stuff oh who cares it's crazy [TS]

00:32:30   stuff and tell me what happened more [TS]

00:32:33   crazy stuff please mark crazy stuff with [TS]

00:32:35   our little friends without president say [TS]

00:32:37   hello to our little friends [TS]

00:32:38   yes all right we're gonna move on then [TS]

00:32:42   and we're gonna leave John Scalzi behind [TS]

00:32:45   and we're going to talk about shorts to [TS]

00:32:46   Rachel but before we do that I would [TS]

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00:33:55   narrated by the same narrator who has [TS]

00:33:57   narrated all of the old man old man's [TS]

00:34:00   war series for audible so if you wanted [TS]

00:34:04   you could start with the very first book [TS]

00:34:06   old man's war or start with the human [TS]

00:34:08   division could I listened to a weekly [TS]

00:34:10   you could you could listen to one [TS]

00:34:12   chapter and then press pause go away [TS]

00:34:14   come back [TS]

00:34:15   listen to another chapter that's the [TS]

00:34:16   beauty of it do you guys have any any [TS]

00:34:18   suggestions for books that people should [TS]

00:34:20   look up if they're gonna have a free [TS]

00:34:22   book on audible if you're looking for a [TS]

00:34:24   series that you could really just sink [TS]

00:34:27   your teeth into I like this alternate [TS]

00:34:30   trucks homes series by lori king it's [TS]

00:34:32   surprisingly good so it got its got a [TS]

00:34:34   little weaker is going on but it starts [TS]

00:34:36   with the beekeepers apprentice which is [TS]

00:34:38   in fact available on audible and a [TS]

00:34:41   bridge form very very long very good [TS]

00:34:43   story and it tracks the story of this [TS]

00:34:47   woman Mary Russell who is apparently [TS]

00:34:48   kind of becomes a protégé of home [TS]

00:34:51   she's brilliant totally brilliant and [TS]

00:34:54   eventually they she grows up and things [TS]

00:34:56   changed between them but I think she's [TS]

00:34:57   in like that version like a number eight [TS]

00:35:00   or nine in the series our farther and [TS]

00:35:02   farther than that i think yeah I think [TS]

00:35:04   he's up to Class A 10 [TS]

00:35:05   I think I've right all of them they're [TS]

00:35:07   really terrific because she really gets [TS]

00:35:09   homes and the Mary Russell character [TS]

00:35:11   looks like as well [TS]

00:35:13   12 I'm like there's a lot I know but [TS]

00:35:15   it's so it's just I think it's a great [TS]

00:35:16   series and if you love sherlock holmes [TS]

00:35:19   she is a true to it even with all the [TS]

00:35:21   changes she makes she gets I think the [TS]

00:35:23   character very well it's the best [TS]

00:35:25   telling I mean I think your game is the [TS]

00:35:26   only other person I've read has written [TS]

00:35:28   homes in [TS]

00:35:30   you outside of the cannon that really [TS]

00:35:32   gets his nature so listen to that [TS]

00:35:34   audible the beekeepers apprentice by [TS]

00:35:37   Lori rking dan do you have a any audible [TS]

00:35:41   recommendations [TS]

00:35:41   I you know I was just browsing through [TS]

00:35:43   when we were talking about this at the [TS]

00:35:45   beginning of the show i'm not a huge [TS]

00:35:46   audiobook person but i came across one [TS]

00:35:50   of my old favorites which is kind of a [TS]

00:35:51   guilty pleasure and that is the the [TS]

00:35:54   first sort of major star wars book [TS]

00:35:57   written after the original trilogy which [TS]

00:36:00   is Timothy Zahn's heir to the empire and [TS]

00:36:03   and i love this book it's kind of cheesy [TS]

00:36:05   it reminds me of skulls in some way and [TS]

00:36:06   then it's like a good sort of adventure [TS]

00:36:08   story and it's one of the good series of [TS]

00:36:10   Star Wars novels that was written [TS]

00:36:12   afterward there aren't that many [TS]

00:36:13   features a humanoid of a different hue [TS]

00:36:16   as well indeed all these works [TS]

00:36:18   indeed and what I i actually really like [TS]

00:36:20   the villain in that series you but i [TS]

00:36:22   will say that what as i was browsing [TS]

00:36:23   through what caught my eye is that the [TS]

00:36:26   the the audiobook is a narrated by Denis [TS]

00:36:30   Lawson who is not only you and my [TS]

00:36:31   great-uncle but also plays the part of [TS]

00:36:33   Wedge Antilles in the Star Wars movies [TS]

00:36:35   and is it has a delightful Scottish [TS]

00:36:37   accent which is like three wins in 10 so [TS]

00:36:41   he he reads the abridged version and [TS]

00:36:44   then there's also another bridge version [TS]

00:36:45   so you can take your pick is can I sort [TS]

00:36:47   by accident audible can i say i only [TS]

00:36:49   want Scott's especially a good like [TS]

00:36:52   three deep Scott's I'd like that would [TS]

00:36:54   be a good feature I i haven't narrated [TS]

00:36:56   any books for audible yet or just a Scot [TS]

00:36:59   if somebody named Scott would do Scott [TS]

00:37:01   do you have it an audio book [TS]

00:37:02   recommendation [TS]

00:37:04   well I just finished the third book in [TS]

00:37:06   the milkweed triptych which is a [TS]

00:37:09   alternate history basically the idea is [TS]

00:37:12   what if the Nazis had don't want to [TS]

00:37:15   bring up Nazis all the time [TS]

00:37:16   what if the Nazis had psychic super [TS]

00:37:19   soldiers this is this is the the entry [TS]

00:37:21   Gillis's begin with better seats we I [TS]

00:37:23   think we made i mentioned this this the [TS]

00:37:25   first book in that series in our first [TS]

00:37:26   episode we may have BS Glenn I thinks [TS]

00:37:29   cast scorn upon it i read it well it got [TS]

00:37:31   worse and worse Admiral December this [TS]

00:37:33   equal to like the sequel [TS]

00:37:35   well this is the third so I read all the [TS]

00:37:37   different i said do you remember the [TS]

00:37:39   sequel I do i do [TS]

00:37:41   they're they're good so yeah basically [TS]

00:37:43   is the Nazis kind of second super [TS]

00:37:45   soldiers and the English have a warlocks [TS]

00:37:48   that don't make no blood prices to these [TS]

00:37:53   demons to do things and it gets it is [TS]

00:37:55   very interesting i won't ruin the third [TS]

00:37:57   book is basically is probably the best [TS]

00:38:00   of the three and it is a very [TS]

00:38:02   interesting perspective on it so let's [TS]

00:38:05   start with the first start with bitter [TS]

00:38:06   small three honorable and you'll have to [TS]

00:38:09   buy the other two but they're worth the [TS]

00:38:11   money or you just stay on audible and i [TS]

00:38:13   think you get a new book every month so [TS]

00:38:15   you have listened to that night to keep [TS]

00:38:16   one with the subscription you can buy [TS]

00:38:18   others that that's right the first ones [TS]

00:38:20   free and then you keep paying and then [TS]

00:38:21   you do you get them all over three [TS]

00:38:23   months [TS]

00:38:23   this is good i personally don't have to [TS]

00:38:25   commute but I know people who do who are [TS]

00:38:27   great consumers of this because [TS]

00:38:29   absolutely a lot of time on the road so [TS]

00:38:31   where we if the listen to being [TS]

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00:38:34   you add in these books and then you just [TS]

00:38:35   keep on keep on jogging or walking on [TS]

00:38:38   the treadmill or driving in your car so [TS]

00:38:41   once again to support the podcast and [TS]

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00:38:49   alright let's move on that was our [TS]

00:38:52   commercial announcement is very exciting [TS]

00:38:55   yes many books many books are available [TS]

00:38:57   on another book it's amazing it's like [TS]

00:39:00   reading literally with your only with [TS]

00:39:02   your ears [TS]

00:39:03   that's right many books died to bring [TS]

00:39:05   you this podcast so so we are every year [TS]

00:39:08   we do our Hugo episode where we read the [TS]

00:39:10   novels this year will be no different [TS]

00:39:11   there are five nominated novels as [TS]

00:39:13   always we will read all 5 i've already [TS]

00:39:14   read all 5 as if I dan is going to read [TS]

00:39:18   the sum and other half is going to omit [TS]

00:39:21   and in glen is gonna take a shot at i [TS]

00:39:23   have read 1.3 all that planning 3 i'm [TS]

00:39:26   going to apply as its as we tape this [TS]

00:39:28   podcast we're going to lie soon and I'm [TS]

00:39:30   bringing in the books with me okay we'll [TS]

00:39:32   come back with them read all right so [TS]

00:39:34   that we're going to have that we record [TS]

00:39:35   that in a few weeks [TS]

00:39:37   stay tuned we will be doing that but we [TS]

00:39:39   thought before before we do that we [TS]

00:39:42   would we would read the short stories [TS]

00:39:43   now some of these are available on on [TS]

00:39:45   the on the web and some of them aren't [TS]

00:39:47   linked to the ones that i can find on [TS]

00:39:49   the web in the show notes but we I [TS]

00:39:52   thought we talked about it because it's [TS]

00:39:53   so rare that we get a chance to talk [TS]

00:39:54   about [TS]

00:39:54   order fiction on the incomparable and [TS]

00:39:57   I'm a little disappointed last year [TS]

00:39:59   almost all the nominees ended up being [TS]

00:40:00   available for free on the web and that [TS]

00:40:02   hasn't happened this year which kind of [TS]

00:40:03   bugs me but do I look to me like there's [TS]

00:40:06   is there more of an effort to get those [TS]

00:40:07   out once the voting is done or is that [TS]

00:40:10   still that gets parole officer of herb [TS]

00:40:12   in print or what have you [TS]

00:40:14   last year i think they I think that [TS]

00:40:15   publishers made an effort to get them [TS]

00:40:18   freely available so people could read [TS]

00:40:19   them and talk about them and vote for [TS]

00:40:21   them and this year i think i think it [TS]

00:40:23   seems not so much [TS]

00:40:24   ok so there are three different [TS]

00:40:27   categories their short story novelette [TS]

00:40:28   and novella we were three short stories [TS]

00:40:32   nominated i think most of us read all [TS]

00:40:36   the short stories so we should probably [TS]

00:40:37   start there [TS]

00:40:39   let's see in no particular order [TS]

00:40:42   immersion by aliette did bowed our I [TS]

00:40:47   think her name is her him i don't even [TS]

00:40:49   know this is this this is her this is [TS]

00:40:52   the story of uh it's it's set on my god [TS]

00:40:56   is it a space station and there's a [TS]

00:40:59   technology called a Mercer that [TS]

00:41:01   basically overrides your visual [TS]

00:41:04   appearance and your personality with [TS]

00:41:06   with the with other memories and other [TS]

00:41:10   behaviors like a big universe that she's [TS]

00:41:12   just giving us a tiny slice that I don't [TS]

00:41:14   know she's written more in this space [TS]

00:41:16   and it's very interesting but if you're [TS]

00:41:18   getting like one one thousandth of a [TS]

00:41:20   percent and she keeps implying a lot of [TS]

00:41:23   things that you just don't know what [TS]

00:41:25   that the full picture is I i read these [TS]

00:41:28   stories you know so i read download 3 i [TS]

00:41:31   just read them in random order more or [TS]

00:41:33   less and I found that I liked coming in [TS]

00:41:36   increasing order as I went along and [TS]

00:41:38   this one was in the middle [TS]

00:41:39   ah interesting firmly in the middle i [TS]

00:41:41   would say so yeah like Glenn says I feel [TS]

00:41:45   like this is a part of a larger picture [TS]

00:41:47   I don't read a lot of short fiction i [TS]

00:41:49   read some what short fiction I do read I [TS]

00:41:51   think tends to be less often sci-fi and [TS]

00:41:53   more often something like a mystery [TS]

00:41:56   so like because I grew up reading track [TS]

00:41:57   home stories and Agatha Christie stories [TS]

00:41:59   and that kind of stuff and so you can [TS]

00:42:02   kind of get away with that because it's [TS]

00:42:03   got a very definite shape like a mystery [TS]

00:42:05   story in a book there's a mystery right [TS]

00:42:07   there's a [TS]

00:42:08   detective the detectives going to solve [TS]

00:42:09   the mystery at the end so there there's [TS]

00:42:12   something pleasing and you know [TS]

00:42:13   comforting about that whereas sci-fi [TS]

00:42:15   stories very often don't have you know [TS]

00:42:17   they they can be a little more abstract [TS]

00:42:19   or there's not quite such a defined [TS]

00:42:21   formula right and so this one it did [TS]

00:42:24   very much feel like a slice of a larger [TS]

00:42:27   work to me I mean there is sort of a [TS]

00:42:28   thread but you've got this the strange [TS]

00:42:30   dueling narrative including one that's [TS]

00:42:32   in the second person that's an unusual [TS]

00:42:34   look which took a little time to get [TS]

00:42:37   used to and it's sort of comes to a head [TS]

00:42:39   towards the end but at the same time I [TS]

00:42:44   felt like I you know I came out of it [TS]

00:42:46   and thought about it for a little bit [TS]

00:42:47   and it was like I'm not really sure what [TS]

00:42:48   you're going for here is this not story [TS]

00:42:51   would have been a strong candidate for [TS]

00:42:54   the James Tiptree jr. water that was [TS]

00:42:57   still being offered because it's one of [TS]

00:42:58   these things about it's a metaphor for [TS]

00:43:00   woman's identity although it's caffeine [TS]

00:43:02   is a broader thing to me man also use [TS]

00:43:04   the Mercer's but they seem to have less [TS]

00:43:06   trouble with them and women get subsumed [TS]

00:43:09   should i know there's an implicit in [TS]

00:43:11   that women tend to get this one going to [TS]

00:43:12   suggest this wife gets completely taken [TS]

00:43:14   over by her mercer and the husband seems [TS]

00:43:17   quite sad about it but but she's turned [TS]

00:43:20   left onto longer turn it up too long as [TS]

00:43:22   you wanted to fit in and she's she's not [TS]

00:43:24   of his race and uh and she's she's a [TS]

00:43:29   native of this station or planet or [TS]

00:43:31   wherever there are that were there when [TS]

00:43:33   the story takes place and so it that's [TS]

00:43:36   one of the interesting things about the [TS]

00:43:37   two different narratives we got the [TS]

00:43:38   people who are working there or that or [TS]

00:43:40   the narratives of it and then that [TS]

00:43:42   you've got this woman who's been [TS]

00:43:43   completely lost yourself and and where [TS]

00:43:46   we're seeing that dynamic but we're also [TS]

00:43:48   seeing the strange technology and trying [TS]

00:43:50   to figure out what the Mercer really [TS]

00:43:52   means and it's it starts out as being [TS]

00:43:54   almost like a hint sort of thing that [TS]

00:43:55   struck me as like well you know like you [TS]

00:43:57   what fingers you extend when you pick up [TS]

00:43:59   your teacup it's sort of like it'll tell [TS]

00:44:01   you all of those things but if you all [TS]

00:44:03   you do is ever listen to the Mercer you [TS]

00:44:05   completely lose who you are as a person [TS]

00:44:06   and you're just basically a robot [TS]

00:44:08   repeating the orders of the of the of [TS]

00:44:10   them the Mercer which seems to be what [TS]

00:44:12   happens to the characters like someone [TS]

00:44:14   who played too much wow who or that game [TS]

00:44:17   one start with the next to that she can [TS]

00:44:19   I feel like that game comes up in every [TS]

00:44:21   single [TS]

00:44:22   every single icomparable episode that's [TS]

00:44:23   because that's because that's an [TS]

00:44:25   excellent episode with actually genocide [TS]

00:44:27   scares the crap out of me as a kid [TS]

00:44:28   Scott what did you think well I liked [TS]

00:44:33   this short story a lot I I liked the [TS]

00:44:36   fact that it just kind of started and [TS]

00:44:38   you were kind of lost and didn't even [TS]

00:44:41   know what anniversary was which seems [TS]

00:44:42   important since it's the middle of the [TS]

00:44:44   short stories emerged inversion a new [TS]

00:44:47   kind of our are confused for a while and [TS]

00:44:50   then it kind of clicks at the end I [TS]

00:44:52   thought was very effective I she also [TS]

00:44:54   wrote one of the novellas that are is [TS]

00:44:57   nominated and I feel like she has a good [TS]

00:45:01   talent for kind of creating what seems [TS]

00:45:05   like a very well-thought-out world in a [TS]

00:45:09   very compressed amount of space in with [TS]

00:45:13   a few words i kind of feel like there's [TS]

00:45:15   a fully flashed world back there I don't [TS]

00:45:16   know a lot about it but I feel like [TS]

00:45:18   there's depth to it that I haven't seen [TS]

00:45:20   it's not like it's like a it's not a [TS]

00:45:22   soap bubble I feel like it's it's it's [TS]

00:45:25   fully fleshed out even if i'm only [TS]

00:45:27   getting this little slice [TS]

00:45:28   yeah i agree i i i didn't love this one [TS]

00:45:32   but I liked it [TS]

00:45:33   what's so another one is a there are [TS]

00:45:38   three short story nominees mantis wives [TS]

00:45:40   bike is Johnson this is interesting kiss [TS]

00:45:43   Johnson I recognize the name and I [TS]

00:45:44   looked I looked her up [TS]

00:45:46   this is a this is a woman author as well [TS]

00:45:48   and she wrote a novella that was [TS]

00:45:53   nominated last year that i liked a great [TS]

00:45:55   deal called the man who bridge the mist [TS]

00:45:57   liked it a lot [TS]

00:45:59   she also was nominated for the nebula [TS]

00:46:05   and Hugo I think she won the Nobel for a [TS]

00:46:08   short story called ponies which I [TS]

00:46:10   despised so i didn't know what i was [TS]

00:46:13   going to think about mantis wives was [TS]

00:46:14   the pony one ponies about vampire [TS]

00:46:16   unicorns no no that's another thing it [TS]

00:46:18   was it was the the ponies they kill each [TS]

00:46:20   other and it's awful and I mean I was [TS]

00:46:22   service vehicle but I didn't like it at [TS]

00:46:24   all [TS]

00:46:25   ya see well it was good i didn't like it [TS]

00:46:28   but I was really rich [TS]

00:46:30   yeah that's true but I feel like this [TS]

00:46:33   one suffers from the problem of people [TS]

00:46:37   how authors who sometimes go into [TS]

00:46:39   stories feeling like I am going to say [TS]

00:46:42   something with capital esas uh-huh and [TS]

00:46:45   get just there [TS]

00:46:48   I did not feel like there's a story here [TS]

00:46:50   no this this red like this reminded me [TS]

00:46:52   of the sort of things that got submitted [TS]

00:46:55   to me when I was everything intertext [TS]

00:46:57   the fiction magazine many years ago and [TS]

00:46:59   i would read this and think there are [TS]

00:47:00   many clever ideas here this reads more [TS]

00:47:02   like a summary or a a blister bullet [TS]

00:47:06   points of ideas the idea here is that [TS]

00:47:08   there are these these mantis people and [TS]

00:47:11   may the women eat their mates like [TS]

00:47:14   mantises do and they come up with all [TS]

00:47:17   sorts of different ways of doing it [TS]

00:47:18   because they're intelligent and they [TS]

00:47:19   have this culture and I I again it just [TS]

00:47:22   came across to me like it's clever but [TS]

00:47:24   it's not really a story it's just some [TS]

00:47:26   ideas on the back of a napkin [TS]

00:47:29   it's a little too clever for its own [TS]

00:47:31   good to two things that has one of the [TS]

00:47:33   best opening sentences [TS]

00:47:35   eventually the Mantis women discovered [TS]

00:47:37   that killing their husbands was not [TS]

00:47:39   inseparable from the getting of young i [TS]

00:47:41   just i read that a bunch of times and [TS]

00:47:43   the rest of the story didn't fulfill me [TS]

00:47:44   the same way that first sentence did it [TS]

00:47:46   was beautifully constructed the other is [TS]

00:47:48   this the kind of thing that got [TS]

00:47:49   published a lot in the nineteen [TS]

00:47:50   seventies and those like brave new [TS]

00:47:52   fiction dangerous visions that was like [TS]

00:47:55   stuff that was so challenging I'm like [TS]

00:47:57   well I'm going to be challenged by this [TS]

00:47:59   anymore because I can read all kinds of [TS]

00:48:00   experimental we have exposure to so much [TS]

00:48:03   more kinds of stuff i kinda I thought [TS]

00:48:04   this was amusing it was like an [TS]

00:48:06   amuse-bouche like a little thing you [TS]

00:48:08   read very quickly haha but it didn't [TS]

00:48:09   hold up as a story anyway in intertext [TS]

00:48:12   we always had the short must be [TS]

00:48:14   spectacular rule we called it which is [TS]

00:48:16   short short short stories were fine but [TS]

00:48:19   every word counts and you've got if [TS]

00:48:21   you're going to write a [TS]

00:48:21   five-hundred-word story it needs to blow [TS]

00:48:24   us away and that i was reminded of that [TS]

00:48:27   like three minutes and thought this is [TS]

00:48:29   very short [TS]

00:48:30   it didn't blow me away but at least to [TS]

00:48:32   issue it was your half-sister but it [TS]

00:48:35   raises the bar right there wasn't much [TS]

00:48:37   what there was a bit [TS]

00:48:38   yeah the Mantis wives don't eat in small [TS]

00:48:40   portions but they do start with the head [TS]

00:48:43   so that's nice to give them that yeah [TS]

00:48:46   Scott what did you think I thought was [TS]

00:48:49   interesting i don't understand why it [TS]

00:48:50   was nominated yet uh I thought you I'm [TS]

00:48:53   not said that i read it it was that it [TS]

00:48:55   was bored [TS]

00:48:56   uh I thought it was amusing as i read it [TS]

00:48:59   but then I thought why did I refit yeah [TS]

00:49:02   yep alright so that takes us to can lose [TS]

00:49:07   story mono RA which is a from an [TS]

00:49:12   anthology called the future is Japanese [TS]

00:49:14   and i love this one [TS]

00:49:17   yeah it was great yeah this is my [TS]

00:49:18   favorite of the three by here it's a [TS]

00:49:20   story about a spaceship a generational [TS]

00:49:22   spaceship it's a story about the [TS]

00:49:26   apocalypse essentially the end of the [TS]

00:49:27   world on earth and this one character [TS]

00:49:30   who is a boy as the earth is being [TS]

00:49:32   destroyed essentially who ends up being [TS]

00:49:35   the only Japanese person on this [TS]

00:49:38   American spaceship that's going to [TS]

00:49:39   another star and it's going to take [TS]

00:49:41   hundreds of years to get their wonderful [TS]

00:49:43   it has like everything it has lying [TS]

00:49:45   government contractors Japanese nobility [TS]

00:49:48   and if an affair [TS]

00:49:50   yes secrets giant huge solar sails [TS]

00:49:54   multi-generational spaceships [TS]

00:49:57   yeah I it is the scene that we're so as [TS]

00:50:02   we learn as this goes the everybody [TS]

00:50:05   everybody sures the population of Earth [TS]

00:50:07   at the the spaceships are going to be [TS]

00:50:09   ready and it turns out it was all the [TS]

00:50:11   contractors like spec spend it all on [TS]

00:50:13   hookers and and gin because fear would [TS]

00:50:17   actually happen because the world's [TS]

00:50:18   gonna end anyway so what the hell [TS]

00:50:20   and so the spaceships don't work and so [TS]

00:50:22   almost everybody dies on earth but but [TS]

00:50:24   uh with a creator of the the escape [TS]

00:50:27   their one real escape spaceship that [TS]

00:50:29   launches before that you know chaos [TS]

00:50:31   consumes the world is is the ex [TS]

00:50:36   boyfriend or lover of this kid's mom and [TS]

00:50:42   there's the scene it brought me to tears [TS]

00:50:44   the scene where the mom takes him down [TS]

00:50:48   to the embassy basically to give her son [TS]

00:50:51   to this this guy to force her son on [TS]

00:50:55   this guy and say you're not gonna run [TS]

00:50:56   away with me on your spaceship [TS]

00:50:58   I want you to save my son's life and [TS]

00:51:00   then the father comes and and he sees [TS]

00:51:02   the father and they and there's kind of [TS]

00:51:04   this nod of recognition and the parents [TS]

00:51:06   watches their son goes away and they're [TS]

00:51:08   never gonna see him again it's it's just [TS]

00:51:10   it's in in not a lot of pages it's [TS]

00:51:13   really quite touching [TS]

00:51:15   yeah it's the kind of thing that the [TS]

00:51:17   fellow we talked about the whole episode [TS]

00:51:18   4 and as is my won't i can't remember [TS]

00:51:21   his name [TS]

00:51:22   ted chang who air rights these things it [TS]

00:51:25   happened i remembered it's a miracle he [TS]

00:51:27   has that it's a very similar gift of a [TS]

00:51:30   few strokes it's like that he just puts [TS]

00:51:33   his brush on the paper and every brush [TS]

00:51:35   tells you a lifetime and you're done and [TS]

00:51:38   you think [TS]

00:51:39   how's that i read a story this kind of [TS]

00:51:41   story that was this short and yet I know [TS]

00:51:43   this much about everyone involved in all [TS]

00:51:45   the characters in the world [TS]

00:51:47   yeah and I mean yeah I and it was one of [TS]

00:51:51   those things where you could see the [TS]

00:51:52   ending kinda telegraphed sure [TS]

00:51:54   uh-huh but at the same time you know [TS]

00:51:56   despite that you it makes you think [TS]

00:51:58   right and that's that is that is the [TS]

00:52:00   goal of great stories it makes you think [TS]

00:52:02   like well what if it were what if it [TS]

00:52:03   were me in that situation what I be [TS]

00:52:05   willing to do that you know and I don't [TS]

00:52:08   know it'sit's I thought it was well put [TS]

00:52:10   together i thought this was a character [TS]

00:52:11   who you know you inhabit just long [TS]

00:52:14   enough to realize like that everything [TS]

00:52:15   that they do is realistic to a certain [TS]

00:52:20   extent right you know despite the fact [TS]

00:52:21   that it's an outlandish setting its [TS]

00:52:24   there's something true about that [TS]

00:52:26   character scott i'm coming to you [TS]

00:52:29   because you won't say it unless I ask [TS]

00:52:31   don't tell me Scott [TS]

00:52:33   well I think it could have used a little [TS]

00:52:36   more mantis but other than that huh [TS]

00:52:38   or maybe just wanted more met this belt [TS]

00:52:41   now I thought this is uh the story that [TS]

00:52:45   will get my vote yeah i think it was i [TS]

00:52:49   like to immersion a lot but i thought [TS]

00:52:51   this one was better [TS]

00:52:55   yeah it was it was touching it had a [TS]

00:52:58   you know the the self-sacrifice the [TS]

00:53:01   family sacrifice i loved the the way [TS]

00:53:04   that the Japanese people reacted they [TS]

00:53:07   were you know all very calm about this [TS]

00:53:09   the world is going to end but we have to [TS]

00:53:10   line up in our assigned places and just [TS]

00:53:13   wait because the government has promised [TS]

00:53:15   us that these spaceships are going to [TS]

00:53:17   take us away and they wouldn't lie to us [TS]

00:53:18   and then of course the prime minister [TS]

00:53:20   after several days of people sitting [TS]

00:53:22   around says uh by the way the spaceships [TS]

00:53:24   don't work and everyone just went home [TS]

00:53:27   and I thought well yeah that's that's [TS]

00:53:31   what else do you do you just go home i [TS]

00:53:33   suppose but yeah i really i really [TS]

00:53:35   enjoyed it and it's only 132 pages i [TS]

00:53:38   read about 20 minutes [TS]

00:53:39   I like the the main characters a [TS]

00:53:41   conundrum about trying to teach the [TS]

00:53:43   people on the spaceship about Japan and [TS]

00:53:45   he feels this way to that he is the only [TS]

00:53:47   Japanese person left alive that he needs [TS]

00:53:50   and he was just a little kid when he [TS]

00:53:51   left Japan but he's got to do you know [TS]

00:53:54   he's got this burden of trying to uphold [TS]

00:53:55   his this entire culture that he barely [TS]

00:53:58   understands himself I father was a [TS]

00:53:59   really nice you know there's just a lot [TS]

00:54:01   there in very very few words there's a [TS]

00:54:03   whole lot in this store trying to teach [TS]

00:54:05   the kids to play go [TS]

00:54:06   yeah I like that was nice touch this [TS]

00:54:09   boring yeah the stupid yeah I like that [TS]

00:54:11   it struck me is very like yeah this is [TS]

00:54:14   what kids would say yeah oh yeah alright [TS]

00:54:17   let's so who is born [TS]

00:54:18   let's move on to the novelettes I the [TS]

00:54:22   boy who cast no shadow by thomas old who [TS]

00:54:25   built who is a apparently a well-known [TS]

00:54:28   an award-winning Dutch novelist and this [TS]

00:54:30   is the first english-language thing he's [TS]

00:54:32   ever at least ever been recognized for [TS]

00:54:34   it anyway [TS]

00:54:35   the young man to his 493 according to [TS]

00:54:38   his body so the old is to be taken [TS]

00:54:41   lightly and this is a this is a strange [TS]

00:54:44   really fantasy story about a boy who [TS]

00:54:49   cast no shadow as in the title but it [TS]

00:54:52   you know much more interesting than that [TS]

00:54:53   is his friend who is made of glass who [TS]

00:54:55   is one of these glass boys and only boys [TS]

00:54:58   seem to be born with this it's a strange [TS]

00:55:01   genetic abnormality that causes them to [TS]

00:55:03   be made of glass like not metaphorically [TS]

00:55:05   or that syndrome where people have like [TS]

00:55:08   Samuel Jackson and unbreakable have [TS]

00:55:09   easily broken bones literally he has [TS]

00:55:12   made [TS]

00:55:12   glass he cries molten glass tears and if [TS]

00:55:16   you drop him he will shatter into a [TS]

00:55:18   million pieces of glass because he's [TS]

00:55:20   made of glass actual glass this is a [TS]

00:55:25   strange strange story metaphorically [TS]

00:55:27   though not actually he's not actually I [TS]

00:55:30   liked a lot of things about this story [TS]

00:55:31   you know i-i-i I felt like it almost [TS]

00:55:35   that the writer you know maybe he did it [TS]

00:55:39   on purpose but it felt to me almost as [TS]

00:55:40   if we were sort of supposed to we were [TS]

00:55:43   going to tell the story of the boy who [TS]

00:55:45   cast a shadow and in the end the glass [TS]

00:55:48   kid was more interesting so it was [TS]

00:55:49   really about the boy who cast a shadow [TS]

00:55:51   enabling the glass kid to see the world [TS]

00:55:55   and and have a good sort of end to his [TS]

00:55:57   life and that the fact that this boy [TS]

00:55:59   cast no shadow kind of wasn't relevant [TS]

00:56:02   at all he was there he was he enabled [TS]

00:56:06   the actual store yeah and it's nice that [TS]

00:56:08   there's a good title the Blue Castle [TS]

00:56:10   yeah and these are two you know [TS]

00:56:12   essentially they're they're Outsiders [TS]

00:56:15   there there there [TS]

00:56:17   unlike their friends the boy who cast a [TS]

00:56:20   shadow is also gay so he's ee an [TS]

00:56:23   outsider and struggles with that and [TS]

00:56:25   then then his friend is over protected [TS]

00:56:28   by his parents because you know he's [TS]

00:56:30   made of glass [TS]

00:56:31   I'm sure there are lots of there are [TS]

00:56:33   lots of of parallels you can draw I what [TS]

00:56:36   the story is really about it is he's [TS]

00:56:39   actually made of glass it's not just the [TS]

00:56:41   parents are being overprotective [TS]

00:56:42   uh but you know so i had moments where I [TS]

00:56:45   was like no you know why did she cast no [TS]

00:56:49   shadow what does that mean it probably [TS]

00:56:51   does mean something but there are also [TS]

00:56:53   moments in here that are really [TS]

00:56:54   beautiful about these friends and about [TS]

00:56:56   finding friendship in an unexpected [TS]

00:56:59   place and and and doing something for a [TS]

00:57:02   friend and pride trying to bring an [TS]

00:57:05   adventure [TS]

00:57:05   yeah and bring some meaning to [TS]

00:57:06   somebody's life who hasn't who's been [TS]

00:57:08   isolated and and I appreciated that even [TS]

00:57:11   though I'm not sure it worked on a [TS]

00:57:12   percent for me there's a sweet thing to [TS]

00:57:15   which is that like he really is made of [TS]

00:57:16   glass like it's not I mean it's a [TS]

00:57:18   metaphor I'm sure right there is some [TS]

00:57:19   expert but but he goes through all these [TS]

00:57:21   things he gets little cracks and they [TS]

00:57:22   get you never have to auto shop yah to [TS]

00:57:24   go to the auto glass [TS]

00:57:26   guy and I thought this great line is [TS]

00:57:28   there in Portugal yeah because I forget [TS]

00:57:30   the reason like having the porch like [TS]

00:57:32   old dutch writer there in Europe of [TS]

00:57:34   course yeah they took a train right this [TS]

00:57:35   is is this bit where says they're [TS]

00:57:37   wandering the streets he says an old [TS]

00:57:39   glass blower who is spoken for smoking [TS]

00:57:41   in front of his shot fell to his knees [TS]

00:57:42   and cried at the site of splinter the [TS]

00:57:44   nickname for the skin i smiled [TS]

00:57:46   that's what the reunion of Geppetto and [TS]

00:57:48   Pinocchio let's just been like this for [TS]

00:57:51   like yeah it was you can see this 3 and [TS]

00:57:54   the light and the whole thing like oh [TS]

00:57:56   that's beautiful one and there's the [TS]

00:57:58   moment about the last night leads to [TS]

00:58:00   splinter getting a crack in his back [TS]

00:58:03   it's like the first human contact he [TS]

00:58:05   ever has is that is that is that the the [TS]

00:58:09   boy who cast a shadow lays down and he [TS]

00:58:11   lays on top of the minutes like the [TS]

00:58:13   first physical contact that this person [TS]

00:58:15   has ever had and it's it's very sweet [TS]

00:58:18   and then there's also this funny moment [TS]

00:58:20   where the boy who cast a shadow is he [TS]

00:58:23   wakes up and and the the glass boy has [TS]

00:58:28   gone to town and gotten patched up [TS]

00:58:31   enough that he could and and he comes [TS]

00:58:33   back with a glass boat to go out in the [TS]

00:58:37   end to see it it's very strange and very [TS]

00:58:39   funny glassblower right now to its [TS]

00:58:41   lovely that's the thing is like it may [TS]

00:58:43   not totally hold together but kinda it's [TS]

00:58:45   just a lovely it's it's new to I don't [TS]

00:58:47   think I've read anything with these [TS]

00:58:49   elements that like it before and there's [TS]

00:58:50   something wonderful about something [TS]

00:58:52   unexpected in New yes yes all right [TS]

00:58:57   interesting interesting story fade to [TS]

00:59:00   white by cattle entei who has been [TS]

00:59:02   nominated for many things and I I again [TS]

00:59:05   like I said about kids Johnson things [TS]

00:59:07   that I've liked very much and things [TS]

00:59:09   that I haven't she wrote a Nobel i think [TS]

00:59:13   last year that I loved and then she [TS]

00:59:15   wrote a novel a few years ago I got [TS]

00:59:16   nominated that I really didn't like so [TS]

00:59:18   I'm all over the place with her [TS]

00:59:19   this is an interesting story it's [TS]

00:59:21   basically a a tale of an alternate [TS]

00:59:25   post-world war two Cold War McCarthy era [TS]

00:59:28   where McCarthy is the president the [TS]

00:59:31   united states has lost world war three [TS]

00:59:33   and large chunks of the country or [TS]

00:59:35   radioactive glass speaking of glass and [TS]

00:59:38   it's a story [TS]

00:59:40   three of the propaganda and it's also of [TS]

00:59:44   a boy and a girl who are part of the [TS]

00:59:45   breeding program that's going on because [TS]

00:59:48   some people are some men are soldiers [TS]

00:59:50   and they get sent out to the radioactive [TS]

00:59:52   waste but others are husbands and they [TS]

00:59:54   move from life to life one every one [TS]

00:59:57   every week for a four-week cycle and [TS]

00:59:58   have as many kids as they [TS]

00:59:58   have as many kids as they [TS]

01:00:00   like its genetic testing and and there's [TS]

01:00:02   all the there's some memos that we see [TS]

01:00:04   of the propaganda campaign and i like i [TS]

01:00:08   like this i liked it and the fact that [TS]

01:00:09   it didn't go the plot didn't go in the [TS]

01:00:12   direction that I expected as we see this [TS]

01:00:14   boy in this girl prepare for this and it [TS]

01:00:16   took a little while for me to figure out [TS]

01:00:17   exactly what was going on but I thought [TS]

01:00:19   that was kind of fun [TS]

01:00:20   yeah I really like this one myself I [TS]

01:00:22   like the propaganda in you know kind of [TS]

01:00:26   interspersed with the the narrative of [TS]

01:00:28   the story kind of fleshing out the world [TS]

01:00:30   because I could just see these [TS]

01:00:33   advertisements that they were talking [TS]

01:00:34   about kind of like the fifties [TS]

01:00:36   oh yeah motif which you know McCarthy [TS]

01:00:40   has frozen the country in one imagines [TS]

01:00:42   this kind of idealized nineteen fifties [TS]

01:00:45   era perfect nuclear family right even [TS]

01:00:48   the husband goes from place to place [TS]

01:00:50   exactly it was still the perfect nuclear [TS]

01:00:53   family buried in layers of the country [TS]

01:00:55   is radioactive class but everything is [TS]

01:00:56   fine don't worry it will all be ok i [TS]

01:01:00   like the husband's job basically get up [TS]

01:01:03   you go as if into an office and you hang [TS]

01:01:04   out in the men's club all day being [TS]

01:01:06   comfortable as it's hard being a husband [TS]

01:01:08   because you're protecting your precious [TS]

01:01:10   bodily fluids and you go home and and [TS]

01:01:13   like that that's your job [TS]

01:01:15   yeah yeah this was fun it was with [TS]

01:01:18   Americans and the the trials of the girl [TS]

01:01:21   who's trying to make sure that she's [TS]

01:01:22   allowed to have children because of her [TS]

01:01:25   genetic testing and then there's the boy [TS]

01:01:27   who's got a you know a strapping older [TS]

01:01:30   brother and he's wondering if he's ever [TS]

01:01:32   going to to be chosen to be a husband [TS]

01:01:35   and his interaction with his father when [TS]

01:01:37   he comes home and the girls got a girl's [TS]

01:01:40   got a black boyfriend and she's secretly [TS]

01:01:42   part Japanese but it can pass i guess [TS]

01:01:47   her mom is half japanese it this whole [TS]

01:01:51   yeah there's a lot in there again you [TS]

01:01:53   can pack a lot in one of these [TS]

01:01:54   relatively short stories and it was very [TS]

01:01:56   interesting evocative setting this this [TS]

01:02:00   fifties world except with nuclear [TS]

01:02:03   fallout raging everywhere [TS]

01:02:04   yes yeah [TS]

01:02:07   ok there's the girl thing who went out [TS]

01:02:09   for sushi by Pat Cadogan which is a [TS]

01:02:14   story of a beauty queen from Earth who [TS]

01:02:17   goes into space and decides she wants to [TS]

01:02:19   have surgery to turn herself into a fish [TS]

01:02:22   as you do as so often happens [TS]

01:02:26   yeah it's a story as old as time but it [TS]

01:02:30   was very thinly told and Seymour to be [TS]

01:02:32   an excuse for the sky that kind of walk [TS]

01:02:34   through all of these various ideas or [TS]

01:02:37   lady and a package man or woman it's pat [TS]

01:02:39   and just have an opportunity to kind of [TS]

01:02:42   run through pet ideas about how space [TS]

01:02:45   exploration might be fostered by having [TS]

01:02:48   body modifications that work better for [TS]

01:02:49   you that nothing was very thin very thin [TS]

01:02:52   she said she's a a woman writer by the [TS]

01:02:54   way so now you've got your you've got [TS]

01:02:57   your many more many women nominated this [TS]

01:03:01   year it's great to see good i agree with [TS]

01:03:03   you know this was not didn't feel that [TS]

01:03:06   strong to me there's some interesting [TS]

01:03:07   ideas here i think that there's it's a [TS]

01:03:09   lot of it's predicated on this pun of [TS]

01:03:11   going out for sushi being too want to be [TS]

01:03:15   surgically altered into being a fish a [TS]

01:03:17   space fish [TS]

01:03:19   yeah and then the end the only thing [TS]

01:03:24   about it that sort of had struck me [TS]

01:03:25   about it was the idea that maybe if you [TS]

01:03:29   saw this on on a in a movie or something [TS]

01:03:32   the idea that this is the fish don't [TS]

01:03:34   think she's anything interesting but [TS]

01:03:35   she's a beauty queen so imagine there's [TS]

01:03:38   this beautiful woman in outer space who [TS]

01:03:41   decides that she wants to be turned into [TS]

01:03:43   a chambered nautilus and that all of the [TS]

01:03:46   earth media we see briefly it is a gas [TS]

01:03:50   that this would happen but the idea is [TS]

01:03:51   she's out there to become sort of a [TS]

01:03:53   native of space and that means shedding [TS]

01:03:55   her old human body and becoming a [TS]

01:03:58   chambered nautilus and then they go off [TS]

01:04:00   to you know have other adventures and on [TS]

01:04:02   Jupiter I can see Sean having that but [TS]

01:04:06   uh huh [TS]

01:04:07   but yeah Scott what did you think I [TS]

01:04:10   think I think she did some clever things [TS]

01:04:12   with language in it but overall it [TS]

01:04:14   didn't do much for me [TS]

01:04:16   yeah it was clever idea [TS]

01:04:18   all the lawyers are chambered nautilus [TS]

01:04:20   by the way [TS]

01:04:21   yes he's funny keep books on the shelves [TS]

01:04:24   not all the chambered nautilus our [TS]

01:04:26   lawyers but all the lawyers are [TS]

01:04:28   chambered nautilus if you're looking for [TS]

01:04:30   a lawyer they are gonna get the chamber [TS]

01:04:33   not yet please otherwise yeah i thought [TS]

01:04:36   i had some good stuff in it but you [TS]

01:04:38   didn't let me cool yeah [TS]

01:04:40   yep hold the space ok where there are [TS]

01:04:42   two more in this cabbage there two more [TS]

01:04:44   in this category and they're both by [TS]

01:04:46   Sean Maguire who is a turban fantasy [TS]

01:04:49   writer who occasionally rights under a [TS]

01:04:51   pen name insult see tears which is a [TS]

01:04:54   which is a sort of a selkie story and [TS]

01:04:58   rat catcher which involves cats that are [TS]

01:05:02   intelligent cat cats [TS]

01:05:05   I honestly I i tried to get through [TS]

01:05:08   these and I couldn't [TS]

01:05:09   well I thought to myself do I just not [TS]

01:05:13   like your grands and maybe i will like [TS]

01:05:15   her other stuff and I didn't think it [TS]

01:05:19   was as bad [TS]

01:05:19   no no the way this maybe stuff week this [TS]

01:05:23   is mere Graham yes Shawn Maguire is also [TS]

01:05:26   here not know that this is the real the [TS]

01:05:28   real mirror granted shot at mcguire ah [TS]

01:05:30   so in sea salt tears i thought was [TS]

01:05:32   extremely beautiful never had multiple [TS]

01:05:34   times ratcatcher I found tedious and [TS]

01:05:38   yeah probably over formal and totally [TS]

01:05:41   almost plotless an interesting alright [TS]

01:05:44   well there you go in sea salt tears i [TS]

01:05:47   got further in and it was far enough to [TS]

01:05:49   like Scott said to just say this is much [TS]

01:05:52   better written than the mirror grant [TS]

01:05:54   novels [TS]

01:05:55   oh that was so that was sweet i thought [TS]

01:05:57   it was well told that a nice twist [TS]

01:05:59   thought it was a into the retelling of a [TS]

01:06:02   long you know held story in modern times [TS]

01:06:06   I don't know I've had a lot of wonderful [TS]

01:06:07   i think Freddy likes a three times now [TS]

01:06:09   and no zombies i love it no zombies [TS]

01:06:11   no but there are people who you know [TS]

01:06:13   eternal young and and curses that are [TS]

01:06:16   apparently onto the X generation i guess [TS]

01:06:18   i could see which I kind of saw that [TS]

01:06:21   coming but I didn't really like this i [TS]

01:06:25   mean i liked it i didn't hate it [TS]

01:06:27   which is step up yep i like but i didn't [TS]

01:06:30   i didn't like [TS]

01:06:31   I was confused once again why it was [TS]

01:06:34   nominated and even more confused by [TS]

01:06:36   white rat catcher was nominated that all [TS]

01:06:38   agree with you there that was just an [TS]

01:06:40   interesting but that's funny I thought [TS]

01:06:42   you guys would I was actually expecting [TS]

01:06:43   you all would have that I wonder if [TS]

01:06:45   knowing that it was mere Grant had known [TS]

01:06:47   that I would have read them both with [TS]

01:06:49   much more jaundiced eye having having [TS]

01:06:51   just gotten through blackout I really [TS]

01:06:54   didn't want to read more honestly and [TS]

01:06:56   and and thread catcher really put me off [TS]

01:06:58   and I so I i abandoned sea salt tears [TS]

01:07:01   I'll actually go back to it now the Glen [TS]

01:07:03   said nice things about it i'll go back I [TS]

01:07:04   i did it wasn't bad i did verify that it [TS]

01:07:06   was certainly I the writing didn't [TS]

01:07:09   bother me in a way that the novel novel [TS]

01:07:11   did but I was kind of I was kinda tapped [TS]

01:07:14   out so i'll take your word for it and [TS]

01:07:18   maybe i'll go back now I'm happy that I [TS]

01:07:20   just don't you know to categorically [TS]

01:07:23   hate everything she's done yeah that's [TS]

01:07:25   good that makes me feel good that's good [TS]

01:07:27   well I would love to get to a place with [TS]

01:07:28   her that I got to with so like I said [TS]

01:07:32   with cat valente and and with kids [TS]

01:07:35   Johnson where I can say huh [TS]

01:07:37   I didn't like that I like that so you [TS]

01:07:39   know I I i can like I'm capable of [TS]

01:07:41   liking things you do and some of them i [TS]

01:07:43   don't like but I haven't gotten there [TS]

01:07:47   yet with her but that's ok it's a [TS]

01:07:49   journey it's a journey it is ok so best [TS]

01:07:52   novella i only read one of these which [TS]

01:07:54   was the stars do not lie by Jay lake [TS]

01:07:56   did you guys read any of the others i [TS]

01:08:01   read them all [TS]

01:08:02   Oh Scott later so starts we'll start [TS]

01:08:05   with stars do not lie which what which [TS]

01:08:08   is um it's like alien steampunk kind of [TS]

01:08:13   it is and i kinda like it because again [TS]

01:08:17   it answers are important question which [TS]

01:08:19   is are there Zeppelin's and the answer [TS]

01:08:22   is yes Zeppelin's on an alien world [TS]

01:08:24   colonized by humans set thousands of [TS]

01:08:26   years ago with an interesting social [TS]

01:08:29   culture of there are pirate sort of [TS]

01:08:31   pirate people and then there's the [TS]

01:08:33   church and their kind of keeping these [TS]

01:08:35   secrets of of humanity actually not [TS]

01:08:37   being from this planet but scientists [TS]

01:08:39   figure it out there suppressed and [TS]

01:08:43   I I enjoyed all of that and then at the [TS]

01:08:46   end they like go to an island where [TS]

01:08:48   there's a volcano and everything closed [TS]

01:08:50   up and nothing is resolved and it's over [TS]

01:08:52   it is it does end quite abruptly yeah [TS]

01:08:56   which is I mean you know you only have [TS]

01:08:58   so much in the novel they were so I know [TS]

01:09:00   but there's so much weight put on the [TS]

01:09:01   the Envoy from the church and they I [TS]

01:09:04   know he kind of built up to some kind of [TS]

01:09:06   major revolution and then it may find [TS]

01:09:08   this spaceship right but in the volcano [TS]

01:09:10   yeah it's like I nothing happens when [TS]

01:09:13   the other other ship is coming and [TS]

01:09:15   there's something big is gonna happen [TS]

01:09:17   and we never yeah it's kind of like I [TS]

01:09:20   wanted this is like the skull thing [TS]

01:09:22   right where the you get the serial [TS]

01:09:24   things and I want the next episode of [TS]

01:09:26   this but I don't think it's gonna I [TS]

01:09:28   don't especially since jail acres and is [TS]

01:09:30   terminally ill and it's not gonna yeah [TS]

01:09:32   yes yeah he's not writing anymore so [TS]

01:09:34   we're gonna fix I'll get it but that's [TS]

01:09:35   that is sad and he's very talented [TS]

01:09:37   writer [TS]

01:09:37   yeah i like i like the story i just i [TS]

01:09:40   don't ya its ended abruptly and do [TS]

01:09:43   yeah yeah but-but-but you know as a [TS]

01:09:47   steampunk I I'm there's a lot of [TS]

01:09:49   steampunk stuff that i really like this [TS]

01:09:51   and this was another example again the [TS]

01:09:53   resemblance [TS]

01:09:54   how can you not like a story with us f1 [TS]

01:09:56   it's true and has a whole religious [TS]

01:09:58   overtones which always find interesting [TS]

01:09:59   ya around the I liked all of the content [TS]

01:10:04   idols that people have a makes it i just [TS]

01:10:09   found that humorous like the first quote [TS]

01:10:10   it is a you know more he introduces the [TS]

01:10:14   main character and then he follows us [TS]

01:10:17   like 18 different degrees and he's like [TS]

01:10:19   he's a fourth-degree priest that he's [TS]

01:10:23   also high level in the the government [TS]

01:10:25   thing that's a very funny moment where [TS]

01:10:27   the guy who's in the the Pirates [TS]

01:10:29   whatever guild in order to give him [TS]

01:10:34   classified a access basically he says [TS]

01:10:37   are you know what level are you and he [TS]

01:10:39   says I'm fourth level and he says well [TS]

01:10:41   congratulations you're 30 second level [TS]

01:10:43   now it's just the one I thought you were [TS]

01:10:45   gonna execute me [TS]

01:10:47   yeah but no I need to tell you the [TS]

01:10:49   secret so right exactly i was writing [TS]

01:10:51   the letters that moment where like you [TS]

01:10:52   can't the the priest there like the [TS]

01:10:54   priest can't be here is like well I'm [TS]

01:10:56   also a 30 [TS]

01:10:57   yeah one of you so i can I know [TS]

01:10:59   everything just get out of my way [TS]

01:11:01   that's right let me into your to your [TS]

01:11:03   place your little Clubhouse say okay so [TS]

01:11:06   what do you think of these others so [TS]

01:11:08   there is the Emperor soul by Brandon [TS]

01:11:13   Sanderson and if anyone has read any of [TS]

01:11:16   Brandon sense and stuff they will have [TS]

01:11:19   read this basically he is really really [TS]

01:11:22   interested in building magic systems and [TS]

01:11:27   so basically this novella is an excuse [TS]

01:11:31   for him to build a magic system based on [TS]

01:11:35   seals so you you place a seal on an [TS]

01:11:39   object our part part part part that was [TS]

01:11:42   worth unmuting yourself for I and I it [TS]

01:11:46   rewrites the history of the object so [TS]

01:11:49   you have like a phase that's very plain [TS]

01:11:52   but a seal master can put a seal on it [TS]

01:11:56   that will then turn it in to change the [TS]

01:11:57   history of that item and make it into [TS]

01:12:00   like you know a main bazar something [TS]

01:12:01   like and he's the guy was finishing the [TS]

01:12:03   wheel of time right to finish the wheel [TS]

01:12:05   times together didn't finish a meal of [TS]

01:12:06   time and he he did the mistborn series [TS]

01:12:11   so basically the story is the seal [TS]

01:12:14   master person is caught because they she [TS]

01:12:18   counterfeit Spain things she tries to [TS]

01:12:20   steal the Emperor's an emperors painting [TS]

01:12:23   but the Emperor's has a fatal accident [TS]

01:12:25   and so he his peace brain dead so she is [TS]

01:12:29   a taken into secrecy and she has to [TS]

01:12:33   basically create recreate the Emperor [TS]

01:12:35   soul using a seal and basically make a [TS]

01:12:38   counterfeit version of the Emperor huh [TS]

01:12:41   and so the the story is set up that [TS]

01:12:43   she's in this prison basically and it's [TS]

01:12:45   a back-and-forth where she explains [TS]

01:12:47   basically how all this magic works [TS]

01:12:49   it was interesting but it was mostly a [TS]

01:12:52   treatise on this magic system so if [TS]

01:12:55   you're not interested in a deep dive [TS]

01:12:56   into how this magic system works [TS]

01:12:59   you might want to skip the Emperor soul [TS]

01:13:02   right mirror grant nominated for it's a [TS]

01:13:06   prequel to feed it is a prequel to feed [TS]

01:13:09   settin [TS]

01:13:10   you know speaking of pandering to geeks [TS]

01:13:12   it's set in comic-con [TS]

01:13:14   it's called San Diego 2014 and there's [TS]

01:13:17   an outbreak of the killer [TS]

01:13:20   kellis-amberlee co their kellis-amberlee [TS]

01:13:23   virus in comic-con and this follows the [TS]

01:13:26   story of like a coast guard guy who's [TS]

01:13:29   also a big fire five flat fan and he if [TS]

01:13:34   they have a booth at comic-con and they [TS]

01:13:35   sell stuff and they sing firefly songs [TS]

01:13:38   and zombies are so it's a combination of [TS]

01:13:40   fee and fanfiction exactly excellent and [TS]

01:13:44   it tells the story of this ragtag group [TS]

01:13:47   of people trying to get out of the san [TS]

01:13:50   diego convention center so how was it it [TS]

01:13:53   was not good haha not dammit I i did not [TS]

01:13:57   enjoy it but I can see why people might [TS]

01:14:02   sir crowd pleaser [TS]

01:14:04   there you go on a red station drifting [TS]

01:14:07   by and let the boat hard against home [TS]

01:14:10   soon and she was a woman who wrote [TS]

01:14:11   immersion yeah this is the the novella [TS]

01:14:16   that will get my vote I believe because [TS]

01:14:18   it is just I think it's a beautiful [TS]

01:14:21   beautiful story it's basically set in [TS]

01:14:25   kind of it said on the space station [TS]

01:14:27   within a planet's multi-planet spanning [TS]

01:14:31   Empire that's based on basically it's [TS]

01:14:34   you know instead of European centric you [TS]

01:14:37   know Empire it's a vietnamese Empire and [TS]

01:14:41   so the the Empire is being attacked by [TS]

01:14:44   rebels and so numerous planets are [TS]

01:14:46   following and the Emperor is not doing [TS]

01:14:48   anything he's just reading and kind of [TS]

01:14:51   fortifying his holdings the main [TS]

01:14:52   character is a refugee who ends up on [TS]

01:14:55   this a space station that is a populated [TS]

01:15:00   by her about like distant relatives it [TS]

01:15:03   has a artificial intelligence which is [TS]

01:15:05   called a mind that is one of her [TS]

01:15:07   ancestors and the main character also [TS]

01:15:09   has memory implants of her answer a [TS]

01:15:12   couple of her ancestors a [TS]

01:15:15   memories and personas and the mind that [TS]

01:15:19   controls the space station is slowly [TS]

01:15:20   going insane and nobody can understand [TS]

01:15:23   why and all of the kind of most able [TS]

01:15:28   characters have been drafted by the [TS]

01:15:31   Emperor so there are no longer on the [TS]

01:15:32   station and their presumed dead so it's [TS]

01:15:34   kind of like the b-team is running the [TS]

01:15:36   station and it is just a great i really [TS]

01:15:39   enjoyed it [TS]

01:15:40   kudos to her and she would get my vote [TS]

01:15:43   then the final one is after the fall [TS]

01:15:47   before the fall during the fall last [TS]

01:15:49   night [TS]

01:15:50   yes winter is coming when threat is [TS]

01:15:53   coming had started reading that 1i said [TS]

01:15:55   finish it's pretty good it's a as the [TS]

01:15:59   title might suggest it is a tale of pre [TS]

01:16:03   post and during apocalypse where these [TS]

01:16:06   strange aliens come and wipe out earth [TS]

01:16:09   but as they're wiping out earth they [TS]

01:16:11   save some people and put them in a shell [TS]

01:16:15   which is basically an artificial [TS]

01:16:17   structure that is on earth but all of [TS]

01:16:20   Earth is ravaged and they are safe and [TS]

01:16:22   sound in this structure and basically [TS]

01:16:25   it's a zoo and I you the people who are [TS]

01:16:27   in there have been teleported there and [TS]

01:16:30   they don't have never seen any of these [TS]

01:16:31   aliens they don't really understand why [TS]

01:16:33   they're trapped together but they start [TS]

01:16:37   they try to you know continue the human [TS]

01:16:38   race but it fails for a variety of [TS]

01:16:41   reasons radiation damage and all that [TS]

01:16:44   kind of stuff so eventually the aliens [TS]

01:16:45   give them a time machine that only that [TS]

01:16:50   works sporadically so that they have [TS]

01:16:52   start sending back people to before the [TS]

01:16:54   apocalypse where they abduct children [TS]

01:16:56   and bring them back to after the [TS]

01:16:58   apocalypse [TS]

01:16:59   wow so that they can repopulate the [TS]

01:17:01   planet it's very interesting i try to [TS]

01:17:04   read some of that I got so far that i [TS]

01:17:06   just i just could not make any more I'm [TS]

01:17:09   sorry just was spindly headed time [TS]

01:17:12   machine traveling and child abduction [TS]

01:17:15   better there's time to have a child [TS]

01:17:16   abduction and the FBI is involved in a [TS]

01:17:19   math professor who gets pregnant and so [TS]

01:17:22   the aliens destroy the planet but then [TS]

01:17:24   they wanted to save the human race for [TS]

01:17:26   their zoo [TS]

01:17:28   yeah they put them in a zoo unclear why [TS]

01:17:31   and the the aliens are called Tesla [TS]

01:17:34   these for some reason okay [TS]

01:17:37   it is an odd fellow but I i thought it [TS]

01:17:40   was a I thought I could see why it was [TS]

01:17:43   nominated I think it's worth a [TS]

01:17:45   nomination but I don't think it's really [TS]

01:17:46   so you're gonna go without a red stretch [TS]

01:17:49   station drifting I am and not san diego [TS]

01:17:53   2014 definitely hot sandy hit all right [TS]

01:17:57   apparently that will be no award [TS]

01:18:00   Oh Jerry 24 ouch ouch that's a bad sign [TS]

01:18:04   alright and just to remind everybody out [TS]

01:18:07   there who wants to read along with us [TS]

01:18:09   our next book club will be about the [TS]

01:18:10   hugo nominees we've covered some of them [TS]

01:18:12   before redshirts a novel with three [TS]

01:18:16   codes by john scalzi hey he's back that [TS]

01:18:20   was nominated we did a whole episode [TS]

01:18:21   about it called the insular nervous fear [TS]

01:18:23   with either speak of it again but but [TS]

01:18:25   we'll we'll touch on it briefly in that [TS]

01:18:27   episode [TS]

01:18:28   captain for patrols Alliance which is a [TS]

01:18:31   for cozia novel we did a whole episode [TS]

01:18:33   about that too and that was actually a [TS]

01:18:35   really good for causing a novel the best [TS]

01:18:38   one in in in many years [TS]

01:18:40   so those we've covered before but we [TS]

01:18:43   will also be talking about black out by [TS]

01:18:46   mirror grant get ready i read it i read [TS]

01:18:50   it to 2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson that [TS]

01:18:54   should be very interesting [TS]

01:18:55   uh-huh when is reading it now as [TS]

01:18:59   involuntary and throwing the crescent [TS]

01:19:01   moon by solid and Achmed which i also [TS]

01:19:04   read and I'm not going to give away what [TS]

01:19:07   I think about these books but those are [TS]

01:19:10   the books that are nominated we will be [TS]

01:19:11   covering the next time so their best [TS]

01:19:15   enjoyed by audible.com yes that's right [TS]

01:19:17   makes you take you to audible i'm not [TS]

01:19:20   sure if all those books i think all [TS]

01:19:22   those books are actually available [TS]

01:19:25   inaudible [TS]

01:19:26   so thanks to my sponsor of course [TS]

01:19:30   audible.com go to audible podcast.com [TS]

01:19:32   slash incomparable yeah and thanks to my [TS]

01:19:35   panelists there they did a good job they [TS]

01:19:37   read the books and some of the stories [TS]

01:19:40   and Scott read everything because Scott [TS]

01:19:42   is the best going to thank you i have a [TS]

01:19:45   lot of free time apparently so I just I [TS]

01:19:47   just I just keep reading something to [TS]

01:19:49   fill the height [TS]

01:19:50   all you do is walk and read it's true I [TS]

01:19:53   i was walking around my kitchen to my [TS]

01:19:56   little table reading earlier today [TS]

01:19:58   wow that's a that's great when you can [TS]

01:20:00   combine them through two of my favorite [TS]

01:20:03   activities walking and reading that's [TS]

01:20:05   also canning now with about different [TS]

01:20:08   tunings same same place he likes kaneis [TS]

01:20:11   leave Leave it's a canning to your wife [TS]

01:20:13   gland fleischmann thanks for coming back [TS]

01:20:15   on the podcast well we'll have you back [TS]

01:20:16   for the hugo episode 2 that's great well [TS]

01:20:19   you know it was record another podcast [TS]

01:20:20   while we recorded this one night my coat [TS]

01:20:22   up [TS]

01:20:23   well that's good i think it is a great [TS]

01:20:24   to be back yes for you back again [TS]

01:20:26   nice to have you and Dan Morgan you are [TS]

01:20:28   on every podcast thank you for being on [TS]

01:20:30   this one too [TS]

01:20:31   great great great to be here and I'm [TS]

01:20:33   sure it'll be a long long time before I [TS]

01:20:35   appear on another podcast yeah exactly [TS]

01:20:37   it could be a long two days hours four [TS]

01:20:40   hours right and that's not like a star [TS]

01:20:44   trek to wrath of khan code right if days [TS]

01:20:47   14 hours you get total number of [TS]

01:20:49   podcasts and you know huh i'm confused [TS]

01:20:51   now [TS]

01:20:52   alright thanks to everybody out there [TS]

01:20:53   for listening you can always go to our [TS]

01:20:56   Goodreads group to see what we're going [TS]

01:20:59   to read next we'll just monitor the [TS]

01:21:00   incomparable twitter feed at the [TS]

01:21:03   incomparable but we are on Goodreads and [TS]

01:21:06   we try to keep that updated sometimes we [TS]

01:21:07   fail but we're on there and we will [TS]

01:21:09   listen to your discussion posts and [TS]

01:21:11   things too so go to goodreads and search [TS]

01:21:12   for the income from book club if you'd [TS]

01:21:14   like to join us stand until next time I [TS]

01:21:16   am your host Jason smell signing off [TS]

01:21:19   thanks for listening [TS]

01:21:32   nobody was in the chair it was [TS]

01:21:34   mts nobody comes out for the book about [TS]

01:21:37   bastards [TS]