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Ep. 268: "A Principled Ohioan"

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0:00:05hello daijaan hi Merlin how's it going

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0:00:20about three days ago I got a pair of

0:00:24pants at a thrift store and they were

0:00:29called Adriano or Adriano gold Schmiedt

0:00:35and I had never heard the name Adriano

0:00:40gold Schmiedt and I thought I thought me

0:00:43that's a pretty cool name

0:00:45mm-hmm and that you know the pants were

0:00:48like three dollars or something so I was

0:00:50like yeah you know that's cool Oh get

0:00:53him let's stand up scale well I did that

0:00:56thing where I was like I got a I gotta

0:00:58figure out what Adriano Goldschmidt is

0:01:00and and normally before I buy something

0:01:03like that I've looked it up right there

0:01:04mm-hmm oh that's smart and so did you

0:01:09you don't rep the wrong thing no you

0:01:11don't want to get so you don't want to

0:01:12get something that looks fancy that's

0:01:13fake fancy and you don't want to get

0:01:15something that is like I'm just gonna

0:01:18wear these around the house your company

0:01:20and your product I think there's very

0:01:24few even customs or laws the concern

0:01:30that I think you can name it whatever

0:01:31you want

0:01:32yeah you could you could say fanciest

0:01:34giant somebody yeah exactly right yeah

0:01:36be it's AG Adriano gold Schmiedt Inc

0:01:41right but I so I had him in my arms at

0:01:46the thrift store and I was like Adriana

0:01:50Goldschmidt Autry on a gold meet and

0:01:53because I wanted to look it up but I was

0:01:55you know I was like I'll do that in a

0:01:57second because I was yeah halfway

0:01:58through searching for a rack or

0:02:00something

0:02:00and then I went over to the thing and I

0:02:04wandering around the store and then I

0:02:06was like what was I gonna do

0:02:08oh right Adriano gone I looked at the

0:02:09pants again to remember the name

0:02:11Jan Goldsmith Audrianna gold Reid and

0:02:15then for whatever reason something else

0:02:17has so the person said something to me

0:02:19anyway I bought the pants having not

0:02:22looked up Audrey on her Goldschmidt but

0:02:24as I was walking out of the store I was

0:02:25like oh right I want to look up what

0:02:27these are for three bucks you know geez

0:02:30so in the dungarees yeah they're like

0:02:32black soft jeans okay so I looked at it

0:02:37I looked at it begin Audriana colt sweet

0:02:40right I'll you know as soon as I get to

0:02:42my truck I'm gonna sit there and look it

0:02:44up before I you know while the trucks

0:02:45were warming up somehow I didn't do that

0:02:48so when I got home and I was unloading

0:02:50the groceries and stuff and I and I kept

0:02:53the little thrift store package and I'm

0:02:55like all right right right right and I

0:02:56look at the pants Audrianna cold sweet

0:02:58right as soon as I get in the house I'm

0:02:59gonna look it up anyway for the last

0:03:02three days I have looked at the jeans

0:03:05and I have memorized the name Audria of

0:03:08Goldschmidt Anna gold Smith and I've

0:03:10repeated it to myself like five six

0:03:12times like a mantra and then each time

0:03:15it's like the name hypnotizes me or

0:03:20somehow it's like an incantation

0:03:23so almost like I like a spell like a

0:03:25spell and and if I say it five times I

0:03:28will I will forget to look it up it's

0:03:31like a spell about itself oh it's doing

0:03:33like a like a mine white thing yeah so

0:03:36I've done a goldsmith Audrianna gold to

0:03:37meet and then it's it's well there may

0:03:40be more to it but it appears that at

0:03:42least one performance characteristic of

0:03:43this incantation is that as soon as you

0:03:45say the words you forget the words and

0:03:48that you said them yeah right I have to

0:03:51then remember oh right I was gonna look

0:03:53up with those jeans what were those

0:03:54jeans again with no I don't I don't

0:03:57retain Adriano

0:03:58I don't retain gold Schmiedt I retained

0:04:01nothing not even the initials so on my

0:04:05way in here to sit down I was like right

0:04:08right right

0:04:09Adriano Gold's made I mean I I pulled

0:04:13them out of the washing machine to look

0:04:16at the name on them and then I was like

0:04:18you know they're my new jeans I'll just

0:04:19put him on and I put them on I'm wearing

0:04:21them

0:04:21right now oh wow like debut and as I was

0:04:27sitting down at the computer as we

0:04:29called I was like Audrey on a culture

0:04:30meet Audrey or gold mean but I'm already

0:04:34deciding that I don't like them I'm

0:04:35gonna give them back to the thirst

0:04:37oh what a journey well because they're

0:04:41not inexpensive if you go to your local

0:04:43Nordstrom and you pick these up you're

0:04:46gonna spend so you're gonna spend some

0:04:47money the thing is that it it's very

0:04:50very very rarely happens because usually

0:04:52I only buy things that are that are

0:04:54pretty unworn you know you don't want to

0:04:58just go buy somebody else's where it

0:05:02pays to be picky and bees as I sat down

0:05:07they didn't they don't smell bad they

0:05:10don't smell thrift story they just smell

0:05:13like somebody else oh I see I don't want

0:05:16to sit around and smell up somebody else

0:05:18can't imprint on them yeah so anyway

0:05:23what's the story with Audrey no gold

0:05:24tree did you look him up I looked on the

0:05:26internet science site

0:05:27Adrian Adriano Goldschmidt he's an

0:05:29Italian fashion designer who focuses on

0:05:31denim jeans known as The Godfather of

0:05:33denim and the originator of premium

0:05:36denim he created he created bezel replay

0:05:39gap 1969 and AG Adriano Gulch meet and

0:05:43is currently directing gold sign and

0:05:46men's citizens of humanity design and

0:05:51citizens he's kind of a kind of a kind

0:05:54of a big wheel yeah this is a pants

0:05:56baller created premium denim yeah

0:06:05premium denim yeah were you were you

0:06:09around for the for the transition to

0:06:11premium I mean I you know I was extant

0:06:14but it was not I just remember having

0:06:17one of those old man moments where you

0:06:19know you hear like oh you can buy these

0:06:20jeans now and they're $400 and I was

0:06:23like that seems like a lot of money for

0:06:24jeans pretty much makes that I feel like

0:06:28I feel like I'm aware that diesel is a

0:06:31brand from a time when jeans got costly

0:06:34and

0:06:35presumably fancy but the funny part is

0:06:38like you think about the 80s I mean not

0:06:40not to make this totally an old man

0:06:41thing but like when with the call of

0:06:45designer jeans got popular in the late

0:06:4670s kind of associated a little bit with

0:06:49the disco movement you get you're very

0:06:51tight you think you look at it you look

0:06:52for a band to go to Vanderbilt

0:06:54Jordache Georgia oh oh I my home in

0:06:59Seattle but I live in Britannia also the

0:07:08Jordache look oh yeah what were some

0:07:11other ones you got we're so dark

0:07:19okay clients nothing comes between me

0:07:22and my cow me and my Calvin's yeah

0:07:24that's right

0:07:26and and so then so in my head I you know

0:07:28it's funny $40 is such an interesting as

0:07:31they say price point like you know a or

0:07:34four four zero four zero dollars like if

0:07:36you watch if you're watching you're in a

0:07:38hotel room and you get regular TV on

0:07:40you'll notice how many things that you

0:07:41order off the TV regardless of how many

0:07:44you end up getting cuz of this special

0:07:45offer you call next hundred minutes as

0:07:4739.95 at that and and now when I was a

0:07:51youth two things were $40 two very

0:07:54important things a pair of like pretty

0:07:56good Nikes $40 $40 a pair of what they

0:08:00think all designer jeans that's $40 huh

0:08:03now and now in my household both of

0:08:05those that was that made it at like a

0:08:06vellum good like you've got to be

0:08:08kidding me like you could get these

0:08:10perfectly serviceable JCPenney shoes

0:08:12that are blue and orange and have the

0:08:14wrong number of stripes on it absolutely

0:08:16you get those for maybe eight eight or

0:08:18ten dollars ditto for a pair of Levi's

0:08:20that you pick up at Sears or tough skins

0:08:23right yeah I know I wouldn't wear tough

0:08:26skin cuz you're hot

0:08:27yeah I was too husky yeah and I've never

0:08:30been able to wear any kind of Wranglers

0:08:32or anything like that

0:08:33husky Huskies like the boy version of

0:08:35women oh it's available in women's sizes

0:08:39horrible code word like literally half

0:08:42of the population has

0:08:45their clothes is like your little bigger

0:08:47than we'd like well I get twelve let's

0:08:50go over to women's to Walker to walk

0:08:52around with the word husky around your

0:08:55neck was was really a Scarlet Letter I

0:08:58know but I I the the the original run of

0:09:03fashion jeans in the 70s and early 80s I

0:09:07didn't I obviously was too young to

0:09:09really participate in because yeah like

0:09:10you say $40 for appearances your style

0:09:13yeah but but the second wave of what I

0:09:18think here is being described as premium

0:09:20denim mm-hmm I was standing at Ground

0:09:22Zero of premium denim because my

0:09:27girlfriend at the time worked in the 90s

0:09:31at a store sort of pioneered this this

0:09:36this whole concept of thought technology

0:09:39was pioneered in Seattle which was and

0:09:42pioneered by like a specific couple of

0:09:44people which was go out to the Rocky

0:09:47Mountain States drive around oh yeah you

0:09:50talked about this yeah yeah you

0:09:52mentioned you did talk about just so you

0:09:53know you did talk about this your lady

0:09:55friend who would go off on journeys to

0:09:57try and find this she decided this would

0:09:59become her business she could go out and

0:10:01find some trousers that she could sell

0:10:03for a way above what she bought them for

0:10:04right now's her chance and so she worked

0:10:07at a storefront here in Seattle and the

0:10:09hole and this was later right after it

0:10:12wasn't so easy to just go find jeans

0:10:13lying around the whole point of the

0:10:16storefront was it was just like walk in

0:10:19the door there were four shelves maybe

0:10:23in the store and one of the shelves had

0:10:25a pair of original Air Jordans mm-hmm

0:10:30one of the shelves had a pair of

0:10:32original something you know is like

0:10:34there were four things for sale in the

0:10:35store it was not a store that you went

0:10:37to buy things and she was sitting behind

0:10:40the counter looking at a magazine and

0:10:42the point is you would walk in there and

0:10:44try and sell her your jeans and her job

0:10:48was to sit there and look at your jeans

0:10:50like no you're not the ones on you

0:10:52mmm-hmm

0:10:53like you'd walk in with an armload of

0:10:54jeans and go hey what do you think of

0:10:56these and then she would

0:10:58sneer at your genes and then you would

0:11:01walk out of there feeling bad and

0:11:03sometimes you would argue with her and

0:11:05she would just like look at her she'd go

0:11:08back to reading her that's like they're

0:11:09gonna fight with a frat boy that you

0:11:11just can't ya can are you with the girl

0:11:14whose sole job it is to mock your gene

0:11:18the most important part of her job is

0:11:20what she doesn't buy right and so she

0:11:23would sometimes somebody would walk in

0:11:26and say uh could I saw these jeans who

0:11:29would grandfathers and she'd be like

0:11:32those jeans and give you some amount of

0:11:36money I don't I was never like to 100%

0:11:38privy to how much you know money went

0:11:41back that's interesting but so she man

0:11:44he would have been bragging about it

0:11:45yeah well she's playing it close to the

0:11:48vest you know that this is the thing

0:11:50that was an era when thrift store

0:11:52Pickers I think I've told you about this

0:11:55we would go to thrift stores it way way

0:11:57out in the country and we'd be walking

0:12:00around and there'd be five other people

0:12:01in the store and they would all know

0:12:04each other and glare at each other and

0:12:06we'd be walking through the aisle and

0:12:08dadada and then you know somebody would

0:12:11be coming the other way with a shopping

0:12:12cart full of stuff and they would pass

0:12:14her and they'd be like hi Meegan mm-hmm

0:12:17and she'd go hi and it was like wow we

0:12:21are 80 miles out of Seattle like what

0:12:24are you people and she's just like oh my

0:12:26god that person is just the worst they

0:12:29run a little store somewhere in there

0:12:30you know grudging level of respect to it

0:12:33though or absolutely like it was he

0:12:36might be a little envious it's somebody

0:12:37somebody got got to the trousers first

0:12:39some of that but they all were very

0:12:41detailed about what they bought on what

0:12:43they liked and what their thing was

0:12:45right so Meegan would walk through and

0:12:47just she'd pick stuff out and be like oh

0:12:49yeah this is worth ninety dollars but

0:12:50gross huh and I never got into it right

0:12:56I did not

0:12:57that whole resale of things I just

0:12:59didn't have any interest in if it wasn't

0:13:01my size and if I wasn't gonna wear it

0:13:03personally I had no it's nice lifestyle

0:13:05job though cuz I think about my daughter

0:13:07who loves all these different brands of

0:13:09little crappy tiny plastic toys and

0:13:11each one when you get these crappy toys

0:13:13there's very many many varieties of

0:13:14these but they each come with like a

0:13:16sheet sort of like when you get tops

0:13:18baseball cards I'm going to show you

0:13:19like which which sometimes you get a

0:13:20card in there it's a meta card of what

0:13:22cards to collect and oh oh this

0:13:24particular little lip balm cover it

0:13:26looks like a hat is a is like a pretty

0:13:29normal one this one's like a super rare

0:13:30I was like well you seem to get a super

0:13:32rare every time we buy these are you

0:13:34sure that that's not super rare but that

0:13:36was your phone like you know how to get

0:13:38the right pokemons and whatnot and like

0:13:40you can find a way to turn those other

0:13:41people's pants into a business if you

0:13:43buy a tootsie roll with our tootsie roll

0:13:45pop with an Indian on it shooting an

0:13:47arrow at a star you get a free one I've

0:13:49heard that or something no roll pop huh

0:13:54I used to collect those wrappers because

0:13:58they had because you'd find the one with

0:14:00the Indian with the star arm they

0:14:01weren't that rare and I never traded one

0:14:02in for a free one but that's how you

0:14:04could save your fingernail clippings and

0:14:06solid SD water you remember that I do

0:14:08not remember that mm-hmm saving the top

0:14:12from a pop top like that that's like

0:14:13super aluminum or something you get

0:14:15extra money for super aluminum school

0:14:19like our school God God God bless the

0:14:21hard-working people at our school and

0:14:23and the people who dozens of years ago

0:14:25came up with these really terrible ideas

0:14:27for raising money and can they continue

0:14:29to do them today to bring in oh you

0:14:32bring in your your label tops from

0:14:34cereal and we'll make like half hold

0:14:39this garbage at your house until you

0:14:41bring it to our house you know she could

0:14:42do you bring the super aluminum from the

0:14:44top of your pop top so we treat those

0:14:50well so a good thing about Meighan was

0:14:53that she hurt her raven hair girl you're

0:15:01with for a while that's not her

0:15:02she was raven haired mm-hmm did we go to

0:15:04dinner one time it's different

0:15:06it's like that's her name I never met

0:15:11her she's just she's just a mythical

0:15:14character she's just in the pantheon for

0:15:16me completely a mythic gold Kelly I

0:15:18still think about it

0:15:23did I tell you I told you I tried to get

0:15:26my daughter on that and she wouldn't she

0:15:28didn't buy it because the the way the

0:15:30story goes and John Syracuse it reminds

0:15:31me that I'm remembering this story wrong

0:15:33but your story is what was is your is

0:15:35your good buddy from Alaska right well

0:15:37it was it was tell the story again cuz

0:15:40it's been a long time I refer to it a

0:15:42lot and it'll help me tell this it'll

0:15:44come back welcome back to the pants in a

0:15:45minute but tell me tell me the story

0:15:47wasn't Mike I want to sell no no Eric

0:15:49Eric okay and and so and Jonna siracusa

0:15:53remembers this story you told as being

0:15:55like it was an important like end of

0:15:57high school end of an era kind of thing

0:15:59and you guys were parting ways and he

0:16:01had he had a message for you know how do

0:16:03you remember it I just remember it as

0:16:05your friend who in my head I know it's

0:16:07not Mike Squires but it feels like a

0:16:08very Mike Squires thing to do it might

0:16:10the story is you and you and your buddy

0:16:12are out your buddy goes to a drinking

0:16:13fountain gets a drink of water and then

0:16:15he says to you from now on for the rest

0:16:16of your life every time you take a drink

0:16:19from a water fountain I want you to

0:16:20think of me that's the way I remember it

0:16:23that that that is how it happened but

0:16:25it's um and the rub is you told me that

0:16:29story and now in my broken brain every

0:16:33time I drink from a water fountain which

0:16:35is not that often but now which makes it

0:16:37even more acute is every time I stick a

0:16:40drink of water from a water fountain I

0:16:41think of you remembering your friend

0:16:44whom I've never met so that's on me now

0:16:46so that the story was Eric Spurlock okay

0:16:52was a guy who moved to Alaska with his

0:16:56his parents after he was already a

0:17:01teenager they they live they live back

0:17:03east in upstate New York in like Geneseo

0:17:06New York and they moved to Alaska

0:17:08because Eric's dad's brother lived up

0:17:10there already or whatever and Eric's

0:17:13Eric's cousin was a guy named John what

0:17:21the hell was his last name John was like

0:17:24the year ahead of me okay and John was

0:17:27the funny guy in school

0:17:29the guy that uh oh fuck his name I just

0:17:32it just passed god that's so frustrating

0:17:34John

0:17:35was was Adriano gold goldsmith John was

0:17:39one year older than me and he was the

0:17:41funny guy in the senior class when I was

0:17:42a junior the funny guy in the class

0:17:46clown and cut-up he's legit made people

0:17:47laugh he was the funny guy and he had a

0:17:50pockmarked face like he was never gonna

0:17:52be one of the handsome guys and he was

0:17:56just he was just viciously funny and and

0:18:00and awful right I mean he was he was

0:18:03scary he was a he was he was a bully

0:18:07well he's fast at knowing where to go

0:18:10right he was super fast and the thing is

0:18:12that you know despite because in Alaska

0:18:14it's kind of cut cutthroat a little bit

0:18:17and no oh jon-jerale

0:18:19jon-jerale nobody could get jon-jerale

0:18:22nobody backed jon-jerale and into a

0:18:24corner nothing right I mean you couldn't

0:18:26you couldn't you couldn't like rich

0:18:29clothes shame him you couldn't like

0:18:33classic a classic maybe not not to say

0:18:36these an unattractive man but like the

0:18:37kid and in my case felt a little bullied

0:18:39sometimes that's where the humor comes

0:18:41from it comes from this deflection and

0:18:42being ill that becomes your strength yes

0:18:44sir he absolutely and that was how I

0:18:46felt right I was chubby and I was I was

0:18:50sears we'll call you husky husky I was

0:18:53universally considered a dork you know I

0:18:56was I was a year younger than everybody

0:18:58else because my parents put me in

0:19:02kindergarten when I was four and so I

0:19:04was just a dork I couldn't grow a

0:19:06mustache I didn't I was just sort of

0:19:08like really was and scallop I just

0:19:15looked like a scalpel so unfinished and

0:19:17my mom kept cutting my hair until I

0:19:19absolutely pushed her hand away one time

0:19:22like yeah I went to school just hidden

0:19:32this is worse than a principled Ohioan

0:19:35she was so principled and so watching

0:19:39jon-jerale just be like just like watch

0:19:41on people I really did admire him but I

0:19:46also was terrified of him and

0:19:48he never gave me any praise or

0:19:50acknowledgement he was always he saw me

0:19:52as a holding he was and he saw me not as

0:19:55a even a comer but just like you know

0:19:57right get away from me scallop like the

0:19:59last thing I need is a bunch of fanboys

0:20:01I was like a bunch of fanboys I'm your

0:20:03only fan boy yeah he was just like dick

0:20:05and everything I you know I wanted to do

0:20:08he he kind of did before me like he

0:20:10wanted to be a DJ a radio DJ and that's

0:20:13what I wanted to be he got a job at a

0:20:16radio station his junior year house it's

0:20:18coming back to me yeah you know as a

0:20:20sophomore I was just like Chuck girls

0:20:22we're getting a radio station like me -

0:20:23would be President and then one time

0:20:26right there I'm like our president it

0:20:29was our president one time jon-jerale

0:20:32I remember the day I actually remember

0:20:34the moment and where I was standing in

0:20:35the high school where I work it was a

0:20:37group of people standing around he was a

0:20:38senior by then I was a junior which is

0:20:41when I really kind of came into my world

0:20:42and I said something to a group of

0:20:45people and John turned and he was like

0:20:46huh that was I was pretty good and I was

0:20:50just like the crown has passed mm-hmm

0:20:53boom but anyway Spurlock was John

0:20:57Gerald's cousin and he was my age and it

0:20:59kind of looked like John but even kind

0:21:02of more dorky John had a pock pockmarked

0:21:05face but not but he wasn't unhandsome

0:21:08eric was just sort of like me kind of

0:21:10unformed a guy that was gonna be an

0:21:12attractive man but not a very attractive

0:21:15teen that's how it works

0:21:16eric was also very funny but he was

0:21:21coming from outside he was coming from

0:21:23New York

0:21:24and he really strongly strongly felt

0:21:28that Alaska was something he didn't he

0:21:32couldn't penetrate like he just was

0:21:35never gonna be Alaskan and he felt it

0:21:39really acutely right you could just feel

0:21:41that he was the insecurity of not

0:21:44understanding what all the rules were

0:21:46and not getting the inside you know not

0:21:50comprehending it but he's super funny

0:21:53and he became a very close member of our

0:21:55of our group but he never accepted

0:21:58entirely how close he was to us

0:22:01we all thought he was integral and he

0:22:06always couldn't let that be he he always

0:22:09felt outside and at the end of high

0:22:12school we were we were all kind of at

0:22:18that point in time like yes sure going

0:22:20off to college but Alaska was all we

0:22:23knew and we we all assumed we would go

0:22:28to college and then come back to Alaska

0:22:29that was that was the whole universe

0:22:31there I don't think it occurred to any

0:22:34one of us that we would ever live

0:22:35outside of Alaska we were going off to

0:22:38college yeah but we were coming back and

0:22:42we're whatever big plans you've got for

0:22:44the long long future they end up you

0:22:47know very much not nearly as important

0:22:50it's like what that next thing is

0:22:52like the college thing is a big thing

0:22:53that's a good step going to college but

0:22:56then at Christmas time we'll be back

0:22:57here to compare notes and then you know

0:22:59what we're gonna do we're gonna graduate

0:23:01we're gonna be in college cotillion

0:23:02mm-hmm not high school Kentucky moc yeah

0:23:06and so Jim McNeal who was from Arkansas

0:23:11but Jim always felt very much part of

0:23:13Alaska because Jim igneel didn't have

0:23:15insecurities Jim Jim even spoke with a

0:23:19southern accent but in Alaska that's

0:23:20just an advantage he was out of Arkansas

0:23:23accent thick one but he was just like

0:23:24I'm from Alaska what are you talking

0:23:26about and Eric and I were walking in the

0:23:29Sears Mall and we stopped to go to the

0:23:30bathroom and there was a drinking

0:23:32fountain and we stopped to get a drink

0:23:33of water and Eric had just a few minutes

0:23:36before we had this great reveal this he

0:23:40dropped this bomb which was we're moving

0:23:44my folks are leaving Alaska home on

0:23:47they'd only been there for three years

0:23:48and this is how you tell me is he

0:23:51telling them all this is how you tell me

0:23:53right and his father bought the his

0:23:56father came up to Alaska he to I guess

0:24:00start over I don't know why you would do

0:24:03this but he came up and bought a bakery

0:24:09and the bakery was for sale

0:24:14because it had formerly been owned by

0:24:17Robert Hanssen who was the Alaska Baker

0:24:20who would who would kidnap prostitutes

0:24:25put them in his airplane take them up to

0:24:27his take them up to wilderness locations

0:24:31set them free and then hunt them hmm

0:24:35there's a there's a movie made about him

0:24:38Robert Hanssen yeah it's a terrible

0:24:40movie butcher baker right but he would

0:24:43like he would yeah he would like the

0:24:47greatest game or whatever like set them

0:24:48loose and most dangerous game right and

0:24:53so Hanson had just been caught mm-hmm

0:24:57like that year and all of a sudden his

0:25:00bakery was like for sale oh now you're

0:25:02gonna want to burn a lot of sage in that

0:25:04place and Eric Spurlock's dad came up

0:25:07and bought the bakery so all of a sudden

0:25:09we're like did they disclose something

0:25:11like that is that something where

0:25:12they've got to let you know I think so I

0:25:14mean I think I think there was a lot of

0:25:16like wow why is that bakery so cheap

0:25:18yeah and and and my understanding of the

0:25:20story is that he did not use the bakery

0:25:22as a as part of his thing it was just

0:25:24for work that was where you went to work

0:25:26yeah but you know one of those things

0:25:28that a lot of people didn't have in high

0:25:30school but I did was a friend whose dad

0:25:32owned a bakery so he were like we could

0:25:35as we were driving around town I was

0:25:36like oh let's let's uh swing into

0:25:38Spurlock's bakery go in there and get

0:25:40some big bakery things pretty pretty

0:25:44cool mm-hmm

0:25:45so Eric says yeah we're moving and and

0:25:49my reaction was like we can't move like

0:25:53he made it you made it all the way

0:25:55through high school you can make it well

0:25:56you're an Alaskan like what do you mean

0:25:58you're moving and he was like yeah we're

0:26:00going back to New York

0:26:01and then he drops this verse down I'm

0:26:04drinking water and he like standing by I

0:26:07mean he goes every time you see that

0:26:09that the writing on the train at the

0:26:13bottom of the water family I want you to

0:26:16think of me oh man I was like I hate how

0:26:20effective that is Wow Wow and you know

0:26:24of course there it is it lives in infamy

0:26:26it's

0:26:26so it's so good because if you're doing

0:26:29to somebody who's really suggestible

0:26:30like I am it's really good because it's

0:26:33also one of those things where how are

0:26:35you gonna like prevent that if it does

0:26:37start to drive you crazy and you can't

0:26:39unthink the thought like what are you

0:26:41gonna do is the whole point of a thing

0:26:43like that is it doesn't happen often

0:26:44enough that you'd like get used to it

0:26:45and you know be able to kind of ride it

0:26:47off it's like ah it would be like from

0:26:49now on every time you see a urinal cake

0:26:51I want you to think of me like you would

0:26:52like you wouldn't even see it coming

0:26:53how do you reprogram yourself from

0:26:55something I don't know but I need to

0:26:57find out cuz I'm very vulnerable well

0:26:59and you're absolutely right like you

0:27:02don't see it isn't like saying every

0:27:04time you drink water right that would be

0:27:06just that would be too much and that

0:27:08would it wouldn't work yeah yeah I mean

0:27:09it's like gambling paying off

0:27:10periodically like the way it would

0:27:12really get in your brain is Oh God

0:27:14see now I'm gonna think about urinals no

0:27:16now I'm gonna think about this episode

0:27:17well every time I see a urinal cake you

0:27:19don't see your own cakes as you used to

0:27:21if you worked in an office where there

0:27:23was a urinal cake in the urinal yeah

0:27:25nothing like that could could work

0:27:27because you use it three times a day and

0:27:29you'd see the urinal cake like you're

0:27:30saying it wouldn't it wouldn't stick but

0:27:32somebody wear it out somebody like you

0:27:35or me where where if the number of times

0:27:38we use a public urinal is somewhat

0:27:40limited and then yeah like you say there

0:27:42aren't urinal cakes anymore for those

0:27:43listeners who don't know what a urinal

0:27:45cake is I'm sure there are zones well if

0:27:48you know baked goods you know about

0:27:49Hanson's bakery you can know about

0:27:51Anchorage yeah so this is a thing where

0:27:57you get this I don't know what it's made

0:27:59of but I don't know it's almost like a

0:28:01bar of soap yeah kind of wax waxy foamy

0:28:05off in pink and it sits at the bottom of

0:28:08the urinal and I think its purpose is to

0:28:11make it smell less like urine and then

0:28:13people urinate on it and ironically

0:28:15enough I think that releases some of the

0:28:18urine cakes powers and the smell of a

0:28:21urine cake is distinctive so and it's

0:28:23not unpleasant so that you very sweet

0:28:25yeah it replaces the smell of urine with

0:28:28this this other smell yeah yeah yeah but

0:28:32I think part of the urine cake have you

0:28:34have you been to a

0:28:36like men's rooms in Europe no no

0:28:41well European I've ever been on the

0:28:43continent no never been on the continent

0:28:45my bent - I've been tingling that's it

0:28:47England well and they I'm not sure they

0:28:49have them there but I think they'll sit

0:28:51down there I think yeah I think the UK

0:28:54that's an entire like island of sitters

0:28:56but they don't I don't think they use

0:28:59they might but there's a the the

0:29:01universal universally popular urinal

0:29:04manufacturers in Europe have now put in

0:29:10their urinals a little painting like

0:29:15they put a fly in there something of a

0:29:16fly or a bee or a little thing to aim at

0:29:20that's that's never centered it's always

0:29:22to the side you must physics physics

0:29:25yeah in a spot that will reduce splatter

0:29:28mm-hmm and if you stand there and pee on

0:29:31the B or pee on the fly it will it's

0:29:35like I have to assume maximum efficiency

0:29:38of the of the urinal yeah and I have

0:29:40found it impossible to not pee on the

0:29:43fly you would have a B you would have to

0:29:45be such an iconoclast he would have to

0:29:49be make a point of saying I am currently

0:29:51not peeing on a fly because that's a

0:29:52thing that I'm doing

0:29:53you would have to hopefully sick cuz

0:29:55your mind what's the pee on that fly so

0:29:56hard no you don't get any coupons or

0:29:59anything out of it but like it's a sense

0:30:01it's a sense of achievement I hit the

0:30:02fly with my pee the thing is you would

0:30:04have to be stronger than that because

0:30:06I'm the type of person that would go to

0:30:08a urinal and say like I'm not gonna pee

0:30:10on the floor I mean that's the type of

0:30:12thing I would do sure but I can't I'm

0:30:14powerless against that fly I know I know

0:30:16because it's otherwise it's just a big

0:30:18white emptiness it's a it's a it's a

0:30:21bowl of it's an infinite bowl I would

0:30:23like more things like that in life I

0:30:24would like more things where you don't

0:30:27need to necessarily have instructions or

0:30:29tutorial you don't need to take an

0:30:30extension class but I would like more

0:30:32I'm gonna call it hinting more like

0:30:34hinting at like okay you know what this

0:30:36is gonna go well we put a thing in here

0:30:37that's not a real fly you don't have to

0:30:39feel bad mmm-hmm we're being flyest

0:30:40that's an image of a fly that you that

0:30:43we're just gonna put this here and we

0:30:45find that people will hit it with their

0:30:46pee and you don't get a bank shot you

0:30:48know it's not like going straight up

0:30:49against

0:30:50you know in a really brightly lit room

0:30:52what one may not realize I don't want to

0:30:53be too graphic here I think most people

0:30:55don't realize how much spotter there is

0:30:56with P noise there's more spotter than

0:30:59you would imagine especially if you're

0:31:00wearing khaki pants and this is a thing

0:31:02that they solved a problem yeah they

0:31:04probably they probably have saw they

0:31:06probably saved let's say conservatively

0:31:09a hundred billion man-hours of cleaning

0:31:13and the shame you know but the thing is

0:31:17they should do freakonomics should do

0:31:18like a whole episode on this because you

0:31:20think about this first of all less

0:31:21stress let's just start with the

0:31:23beginning you're not gonna get your

0:31:24khaki pants I'll cover with splatter

0:31:25that's good right now right you're also

0:31:27gonna waste the more productivity you

0:31:29last time spent trying to dab dab dab to

0:31:32get PP off of off of your pants also you

0:31:34know what less money spent on laundering

0:31:36now that might have a knock-on effect

0:31:37mmm for the be laundering industry

0:31:39that's good for everybody you ready for

0:31:40this one less splatter on the floor

0:31:42let's need to overtly send in janitor

0:31:44man to come in and clean them the

0:31:45splatter it's good for everybody you put

0:31:48a fly in there they say art isn't useful

0:31:49it's very useful you put a fly in a

0:31:51urinal I feel like well first of all in

0:31:54Europe I feel like the bee is more

0:31:56popular than the fly oh because the fly

0:32:00conveys dirtiness right it's a fly in

0:32:04your bathroom that's not what you want

0:32:05oh I see I see yep yep yep yep apply is

0:32:08gross but uh this is probably

0:32:09evolutionary psychology on some level at

0:32:12least a couple ways so you think if you

0:32:14could if you were out in the world just

0:32:16sort of peeing in the gravel and there

0:32:18was an opportunity to pee on a bee well

0:32:20I peed it moves wouldn't you do it I

0:32:23mean there's ants I'd follow it along I

0:32:25mean I it's you got to do that that's

0:32:27just it's in your brain but it gives you

0:32:30that sense of accomplishment like I've

0:32:32been I just peed on that B for a long

0:32:34time but but I do feel I I hear what

0:32:40you're saying and I agree and I'm

0:32:41thinking like what are the what are the

0:32:42other what are the analogues to this

0:32:44like like if you paint lines on a

0:32:47highway right that's all that's also

0:32:49just I think give you some examples of

0:32:53this one example that comes up for me

0:32:56several times a year is that I will see

0:32:59an occurrence of a three-digit number

0:33:02and that was my laundry number

0:33:04when I was in military school which

0:33:06meant that every single item that I

0:33:07owned with a sharpie or with a white

0:33:10laundry marker every single item that I

0:33:12owned had this three digit number on it

0:33:15and it basically equalled me like for

0:33:17practical purposes it was almost like a

0:33:18serial number

0:33:19it was technicals laundry number but

0:33:21I'll cement that if I ever lost anything

0:33:22he would have that three digit number on

0:33:24it and it would return to me because you

0:33:25would even know what everybody else's

0:33:27number was all right so now whenever I

0:33:30see that three-digit number in the wild

0:33:32of course the very first thing I think

0:33:34of is that hey that's weird that's my

0:33:37laundry number well what was your

0:33:38laundry I don't know I mean should I say

0:33:40for OPSEC reasons it's 207 I don't want

0:33:43people I don't people trolling me about

0:33:44it but um like that or like my PO Box

0:33:46and College was 289 and so you know I'm

0:33:49just this is just a random example but

0:33:51those are kinds of things where that's

0:33:52just digits that doesn't mean anything

0:33:54we imbue these digits you know you get a

0:33:56420 or 69 nice like or you get you know

0:33:59you got a lucky number like a like a 37

0:34:01right mm-hmm and then you start noticing

0:34:04that but I think it has to be that kind

0:34:06of thing it can't be oh I saw a number

0:34:08that wouldn't work it's got to be

0:34:10something that appears somewhat randomly

0:34:12like unto a water fountain right a

0:34:15payphone

0:34:16the rapidly disappearing payphone yeah

0:34:18the payphones are gone now the other day

0:34:24nobody's having a good day when they're

0:34:26using a pencil and I and that's actually

0:34:29been true for a while yes to these when

0:34:32they were still kind of pick on dirty

0:34:34this thing sorry to put that on your

0:34:36face

0:34:36well I mean we all did it for decades

0:34:39think about that mouthpiece think about

0:34:41how many mouths have been right there

0:34:42well just you know think about I mean

0:34:44huh what at what age did you stop

0:34:46sucking on quarters stop sucking on

0:34:49course I'd say sometime between 3 and 11

0:34:51yeah yeah but sucking on a quarter well

0:34:54yeah I know I know I know and my

0:34:56daughter loves like like my god like me

0:34:57I think you've talked about this too I

0:34:59used to love collecting change and

0:35:01rolling it up and just playing with it

0:35:03and acting like that was in monopoly man

0:35:05like running my hands through it smell

0:35:07your hands smell my hands after you

0:35:09played with money all right it's not a

0:35:11nice smell oh it's a something smell

0:35:13yeah

0:35:15it smells like blood yes there's no

0:35:17you're right you're right yeah yeah

0:35:18absolutely bloody smell well you know

0:35:20they say every hundred dollar bill in

0:35:21America is got cocaine residue that's

0:35:24what they say

0:35:24boss skanks they also say that you happy

0:35:27if you collect a tootsie roll pop with

0:35:29an indian and shooting a star it's the

0:35:31show art for this week already

0:35:32uh-huh got it right here apparently

0:35:35turns out you don't get frequency puffs

0:35:37from it it's there's many many Indians

0:35:39shooting stars and people have gotten

0:35:40tattoos of it is a thing I just learned

0:35:42right and it's some kind of I wonder you

0:35:44know there's got to be a website that

0:35:47deals with that kind of urban legend oh

0:35:49no I just felt five yeah my sources

0:35:52people here clicking because I'm working

0:35:54on the program while we're doing that

0:35:56yeah other things like that but I think

0:35:59it needs to be some combination of

0:36:00something very concrete it can't be as

0:36:02general as like I say just the existence

0:36:05of a number or the color blue or

0:36:06something that it has to be something

0:36:08that you don't have time to think about

0:36:11processing that once you see it on some

0:36:14kind of like um Subrosa level you're

0:36:18processing that you oh that's that thing

0:36:20and I'm thinking of Eric now Eric

0:36:22Spurlock I feel like I feel like this is

0:36:25one of the things that is going to make

0:36:28it's gonna popularize AR and it's gonna

0:36:32it's going to facilitate the transition

0:36:34to AR because what well I think one of

0:36:38the main main main first uses and maybe

0:36:42primary uses of AR is going to be to

0:36:45gamify regular life mmm game uh so

0:36:48regular life yeah so like you know so

0:36:51everything is gonna turn into there's a

0:36:53little coins floating above your tasks

0:36:57or coins floating above things in the

0:37:00world you're gonna Mario over to there

0:37:01and then you jump left left right contra

0:37:03code you grab your you grab your your

0:37:04grab a coin

0:37:06you're not goes into your virtual purse

0:37:08yes exactly and and that gamification

0:37:10will be used by companies and you know

0:37:14if they're smart by governments but

0:37:16certainly by by companies get your

0:37:19coffee somewhere and like you get

0:37:22half off 20% off if you agree to watch a

0:37:2515-second and that or as you're walking

0:37:28through the mall companies will pay to

0:37:31have gold coins floating over the front

0:37:33of their store and you never would have

0:37:35gone over to the Gucci store but you go

0:37:37over there and click and clean collect

0:37:41your coin and then you're standing in

0:37:43front of the store you know or you have

0:37:45to go inside the store to the store rack

0:37:47to collect clean a version of that in

0:37:50this neighborhood near my house over in

0:37:52West Portal where once a year

0:37:54many of the merchants participate in a

0:37:56Where's Waldo

0:37:58tournament so there's a cutout Waldo you

0:38:01put the cutout Waldo somewhere in the

0:38:03store and then you're supposed to go to

0:38:04all the stores and find Waldo and then

0:38:06you can turn that in for I don't know

0:38:07significant prizes and coins

0:38:09yeah significant prizes but if you think

0:38:12about the things that we want people to

0:38:14do right edge the attention economy

0:38:16right it's not it's not as so obviously

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0:40:13the great shows which is a kind of a

0:40:22gold coin just in this case a gold coin

0:40:24goes to president Zuckerberg Winklevoss

0:40:30but I'm thinking about the other things

0:40:32that we want people to do right like

0:40:34during rush hour traffic now we're

0:40:35talking about a thing we're talking bout

0:40:36a time driving zipper merge we want you

0:40:42to zipper merge stop doing that thing

0:40:43where you going through early or too

0:40:44late

0:40:44zipper merge is what it's all about

0:40:45that's it now we're going to be driving

0:40:47at that point it's all gonna be a

0:40:50driverless cars futurist cuz you did it

0:40:53you took an eternity you jump you left

0:40:54you left you took two assumptions and

0:40:56two plus two x equals like seven you

0:40:59just went to a whole other place

0:41:00somebody told me the other day that

0:41:02there's actually a master's degree in

0:41:05futurism available at the university of

0:41:07hawai and they said why are you not in

0:41:10the master's program at the University

0:41:11of Hawaii why are you why are you even

0:41:13not there yeah and I was like there's a

0:41:16lot of reasons that I'm not but you know

0:41:18what I am a master's degree I don't like

0:41:20the food there at the University of

0:41:22Hawaii well just Hawaii in general it's

0:41:24nothing against the good people of

0:41:25Hawaii I'm so they really do not want me

0:41:27to be there I don't I felt very

0:41:28unwelcome and I felt like I should feel

0:41:30very unwelcome there it's not a good

0:41:32scene but the food I just I can't I

0:41:34can't get with the food there I couldn't

0:41:35do what master's program was that could

0:41:36be two years and you got to write a

0:41:37thesis got a very futuristic thesis yeah

0:41:40probably

0:41:41look you got a living a wife or two

0:41:43years we're gonna semesters degree in

0:41:45futurism I don't see why you can't do

0:41:47that from your home you should

0:41:48able to do that should be a cyber

0:41:49University thing know what I mean your

0:41:52watch but think about how we how people

0:41:56will be controlled by this Spurlock Ian

0:41:59like sync concept but by their own you

0:42:04know by their own volition they'll

0:42:06direct the Spurlock effect they'll be

0:42:09out there being asked to to put put that

0:42:14little bit of like dystopian game onto

0:42:18all the things that they're doing these

0:42:20little like oh well if you're over here

0:42:22I want you to you know it but it's all

0:42:24gonna be they're all gonna be it's gonna

0:42:25be collecting in their in their virtual

0:42:29reality account yes right their life

0:42:31account their credit card like the

0:42:35Minority Report movie and Facebook right

0:42:37so again Minority Report which i think

0:42:39is a very good movie this is thinking

0:42:41about majority reported I haven't seen

0:42:43it in a long time it's movie I think

0:42:44about fairly often who owned there's one

0:42:46one particular scene where Mission

0:42:49Impossible guys was walking around

0:42:51I've memory serves he's walking through

0:42:53a public area Oh abs are talking the ads

0:42:56are talking to him specifically

0:42:57addressing him see I think you combined

0:43:00something like that with you obviously

0:43:01with a Facebook type thing

0:43:02sure so they know lots of stuff about

0:43:06you and then now I realize I'm not being

0:43:08a true as for locking in futurist

0:43:09because I haven't made the leaps that

0:43:11you're late making but I bet in the near

0:43:12term that's gonna be the case

0:43:13it's kind of the case right now like

0:43:15we're a few there's all these dingaling

0:43:17apps where if you're not paying any

0:43:18attention and you should be paying

0:43:19attention and do you want to do location

0:43:21do you want to do notifications do you

0:43:23want to do beep-beep-beep-beep and like

0:43:24a lot of times when you do that even

0:43:26though it breaks the Terms of Service it

0:43:28does lots of stuff to push you things

0:43:31based on where you are or what you

0:43:32haven't done for a while it is doing

0:43:34that open your treasure chest from this

0:43:37from this screen white face guy in app

0:43:42purchase peas double-click to continue

0:43:45and then you've agreed the terms in

0:43:47service and now that yeah that's that's

0:43:49your gold coin for now but you're saying

0:43:51this could be a Mario type situation

0:43:52well what what Minority Report this is

0:43:56the great thing about the about science

0:43:58fiction right they get it they get 80%

0:44:00of it but they don't

0:44:01they it's never really possible to see

0:44:03so clearly like it when we were kids we

0:44:06never would have imagined there wouldn't

0:44:07be a NASA now the science the wonderful

0:44:11science fiction movies I mean setting

0:44:12aside the haha never got a jetpack stuff

0:44:14but you think about how many science

0:44:16fiction movies well so fancifully cover

0:44:20the idea of like even hyperspace travel

0:44:23this is a really obvious one but I think

0:44:25that the one that everybody missed was

0:44:26communications an amazing thing that

0:44:29happen is communications there's so many

0:44:31movies from the 70s 80s 90s that fall

0:44:33apart if you have a wireless phone

0:44:35uh-huh

0:44:36it does not a plot anymore and now you

0:44:39can look up a word on your phone while

0:44:41you're at the cabin the the thing that

0:44:43that Minority Report didn't get was that

0:44:47VR was going to be personal individual

0:44:49so that the plot point of that moment as

0:44:53he's walking through this mall and all

0:44:54the all the video ads are like hello

0:44:56protagonist who's name is ringing out as

0:44:59bad guy and he's like people can hear my

0:45:02name but it will that will all just be

0:45:04in your little heads-up display yeah all

0:45:06that personalization fuck you asshole so

0:45:15but what's gonna be fucked up about that

0:45:17I think is that every person's this is

0:45:19this will this will be playing to the

0:45:21the intrinsic narcissism of modern

0:45:24people every person will be experiencing

0:45:27the world completely personalized and it

0:45:30won't be very long it won't take very

0:45:32long for us to believe that the world

0:45:35actually does belong to oh my god in my

0:45:38mind how different is it from going into

0:45:40one of those massively multiplayer

0:45:41massive games and you get to pick what

0:45:43kind of cloak and sword and are you this

0:45:45kind of hell for that kind of how far

0:45:46yeah hi alpha or a wood elf like are you

0:45:49you know what I mean and see like and

0:45:50now maybe you see everybody else becomes

0:45:53your own little deviantART well you

0:45:55start thinking oh you know everybody

0:45:56should look like a monkey or something

0:45:57well every single store every single ad

0:45:59every single thing would be for

0:46:03everybody else parents man it's the same

0:46:06Walmart that doesn't make any sense you

0:46:07should have the lobby spoke a are

0:46:10Walmart but but like most people's minds

0:46:13are

0:46:14not most people's minds are vulnerable

0:46:16enough or lazy enough I guess that they

0:46:18will not be who they will not be

0:46:21thinking to themselves this is true for

0:46:24everyone they're just gonna be just

0:46:26bathing in the fact that they're hearing

0:46:28their name spoken over and over and over

0:46:30by everything yeah and it's gonna create

0:46:33if we didn't think we already had a

0:46:35nation of monsters it's going to that is

0:46:39gonna be a technology that divides us

0:46:41rather than unites so you give me much

0:46:43to think about I think you should be

0:46:44teaching in Hawaii I teach you know what

0:46:47I'm teaching in virtual Hawaii professor

0:46:57John turn up your brass valves to to psi

0:47:05Broderick you think you have a steampunk

0:47:09virtual class i we were we were trying

0:47:12to we the Jules Verne desk it's like you

0:47:15covered wood we're doing a photo shoot

0:47:18the other day Ken Jennings and I and we

0:47:21were trying to communicate futurism

0:47:25without without using steampunk yeah we

0:47:36determine that it's goggles you cannot

0:47:39communicate anymore the future without

0:47:41without Jules Bernie and so we're there

0:47:45and it's just like no goggles and then

0:47:47Ken just slowly starts putting these

0:47:48goggles on and I'm like no goggles and

0:47:50the goggles just go on you kept out we

0:47:52were in a lab coat so way absolutely lab

0:47:55coat this is like what can you do you

0:47:57can't fight it may be holding bloody

0:48:00baby dolls like the Beatles yesterday

0:48:02and today or or her again the the the

0:48:05dance the dancing scenes from Buck

0:48:07Rogers the television show mmm that's a

0:48:11warm fuzzy I keep I keep wanting to I

0:48:13should go on YouTube it's like Audrey on

0:48:15a gold Schmiedt mm-hmm

0:48:17for years I've been saying funny it's

0:48:20still it's still don't jump ahead but

0:48:21isn't that funny it's still there I have

0:48:23an entire text file called mystery

0:48:25something that's called mystery memories

0:48:27and it's all things I remember that are

0:48:29very weird that I mean some of its stuff

0:48:32as quotidian as like ancient Chinese

0:48:34secret it's done like that remember I

0:48:37had one time my clothes nation oh it's

0:48:42kind of kind of obscure once I was

0:48:44driving around went on Colerain Avenue

0:48:46with my grandmother and I thought a

0:48:47water tower look like a baseball

0:48:48baseball mitt and I still think about it

0:48:50today sliced tomatoes so thin your

0:48:52mother-in-law will never come back big

0:48:55Griz today at the plate speed whenever

0:48:57has a second cup of my coffee

0:48:59uh-huh ancient Chinese secret huh I had

0:49:02a I had a little text file on my phone

0:49:05[Music]

0:49:08about the Bionic Woman doll Steve Austin

0:49:13they put out Oscar Oscar gold Gulch Mead

0:49:16and those it was like a little thumb

0:49:18button in the back right I think so but

0:49:20this yeah all I know is the song starts

0:49:22Jaime Sommers all day all night Marianne

0:49:36I still have that in my head

0:49:37that was a commercial for the first date

0:49:42to all of these is it's so of all of

0:49:45these are so many of these is setting us

0:49:47up my hallucinations from when I was

0:49:48eight there are so many things in here I

0:49:50could go on YouTube and I could probably

0:49:52find it and never occurs to me to go

0:49:54find the gravy train or chuck wagon ad I

0:49:55should go find that wouldn't remember

0:49:57when the little cover wagon the

0:49:58Conestoga wagon goes under the rug the

0:50:00dogs confused that was the world that I

0:50:02wanted to live in a little mini chuck

0:50:04wagon world where that where underneath

0:50:06the sink there was like a whole cowboy

0:50:08universe why do only people in

0:50:12commercials get that well and the thing

0:50:15is that the only person that ever saw

0:50:16that was the dog I know

0:50:17wasn't that tragic yeah bit like so you

0:50:22could go here's cash Amburgey catches

0:50:24big barking bar

0:50:25south Lebanon Ohio

0:50:27follow the cars fallen science the cash

0:50:30is big bargain barn in south Lebanon

0:50:32Ohio anyway

0:50:36you there uh yeah I just I'm sorry I

0:50:39thought I thought I finally ended the

0:50:41podcast I definitely have a text file of

0:50:47like weird memories that aren't related

0:50:50to commercials but like those memories

0:50:52where you think I've got to write this

0:50:56down because this is such a powerful

0:50:58every time you think it it's emotional

0:51:00memory every time you three experience

0:51:02it gets more faded but more edited like

0:51:05you've got to like capture the pure

0:51:06memory when it comes to you when I read

0:51:09them now even the ones that I wrote

0:51:11fairly recently like in the last couple

0:51:13of years like oh shit I've got to put

0:51:14this down I read it now and it just

0:51:16doesn't I didn't write it well enough or

0:51:20something and I just and the and the

0:51:22memory is kind of lost by trying to

0:51:24capture it the sense impression it's

0:51:26like trying to remember a dream like

0:51:28it's like saying through your fingers

0:51:29the harder you try the faster it goes

0:51:30away yeah lieutenant well because there

0:51:34because they're all those there's

0:51:35there's all those feelings like I

0:51:37remember the feeling of sitting in a

0:51:39booth and my mom said maybe and I

0:51:43thought that meant that yes and here's

0:51:45like what I you might start making it

0:51:48too specific and you go okay do I really

0:51:50remember those being those red plastic

0:51:52cups that they Pete had a Pizza Hut did

0:51:53Pizza Hut even have booths and you find

0:51:55yourself going wait and they start

0:51:56fact-checking yourself and pretty soon

0:51:57you're crushing the bunny yeah you don't

0:52:00want to crush the bunny

0:52:03yeah I have a couple of those memories

0:52:05right the time that I lost my horse

0:52:07wallet in the water

0:52:08oh they're odd yes there was a very

0:52:10specific memory I have in in Hawaii when

0:52:15I was a kid I was with my dad

0:52:16we were try and this was back when Maui

0:52:19didn't most of Maui didn't have paved

0:52:21roads it was all dirt roads and we were

0:52:24at some little store and they had a rack

0:52:27of comic books which I'd been you know

0:52:29there hadn't been comic books anywhere I

0:52:31had gone in Hawaii it was like my kind

0:52:33of found comic books and I said dad can

0:52:36I have

0:52:37can I have a comic and he said you get

0:52:40him a couple comics and I brought three

0:52:43up to the cash register but I told you

0:52:44this how's it going I brought three and

0:52:47my dad said I said you could have a

0:52:48couple and I said three as a couple and

0:52:51dad said three is a few uh I had that up

0:52:56until junior high I thought a couple

0:52:57meant like a handful you know a couple I

0:52:59think it was five a couple is two a few

0:53:02is two two four yeah a few was to 250 I

0:53:06didn't realize a couple always meant to

0:53:08I didn't realize that until like junior

0:53:09high

0:53:09well I still don't believe it no but my

0:53:11dad said you can't you know you can have

0:53:14zero because I said you could I said you

0:53:17could have a couple and you brought up a

0:53:18few seconds there oh shit dog that is

0:53:21harsh well that's why I remember this

0:53:23was it was probably snow I don't know I

0:53:26don't know it was a hard become okay but

0:53:30I I remember the store I remember the

0:53:32light in of the day I remember the dirt

0:53:35of the road and the little town that we

0:53:37were in and the whole experience of

0:53:39being on this long car ride with him in

0:53:40Hawaii because it was just solidified in

0:53:44this moment of like I had three comic

0:53:47books in my hand I was at the cash

0:53:49register and those comic books went away

0:53:51because I didn't I did not parse the

0:53:55difference between a couple and a few I

0:53:57remember I I did not buy a lot of comic

0:54:00books gonna have a lot of dough for that

0:54:01kind of thing but I feel this might been

0:54:03when my dad was alive was definitely

0:54:05more still at our other house where he

0:54:07had lived but so I might have been eight

0:54:08maybe nine and I had some kind of a DC

0:54:11comic I picked up you know 25 cents 35

0:54:14cents I am I'm it had hippies in it and

0:54:18I think I've tried to find this over the

0:54:21years I feel like it might have been a

0:54:22Superman or probably a Batman or maybe

0:54:24like a Justice not Justice League

0:54:26whatever was called whatever the

0:54:27Superfriends were the Superfriends I

0:54:30guess but my mom I remember feeling very

0:54:34ashamed that my mom took it away from me

0:54:36because she thought it was objectionable

0:54:38I think she thought it had like drug

0:54:39things I remember she put it on top of

0:54:41the dresser and I at one time I snuck

0:54:43into her room and got one last look at

0:54:46the forbidden comic and that I never saw

0:54:47it again

0:54:48the forbidden comic were hip

0:54:50he's appeared hippies and and where the

0:54:52hippies like bad with a lot of hippies

0:54:55were like we're getting into a Pizza Hut

0:54:57tumblr type situation cuz I feel like I

0:55:00remember it having like I was probably

0:55:02titillated

0:55:03I'm gonna guess by like girls in

0:55:06lavender or mini dresses because I was a

0:55:08big fan of Mod Squad and I had a huge

0:55:10crush on Julie she was one of my first

0:55:12crush crushes and then you get that

0:55:15Peggy Lipton right so like you know her

0:55:18daughter was on the Parks and Rec it's

0:55:19crazy stuff I don't know it was on the

0:55:21Mod Squad

0:55:22I don't we didn't get the Mod Squad okay

0:55:24was that a good show was it like

0:55:27untouchable it was one of those like TV

0:55:30is trying to get cool in the late

0:55:32sixties shows - yes and it was it was a

0:55:37it was the main guy the black guy and

0:55:39the pretty girl and and the three of

0:55:41them were the Mod Squad and they would

0:55:43solve crimes but doing undercover things

0:55:44you know like 21 Jump Street yeah I

0:55:47guess so I reckon it was I reckon yeah

0:55:49but I think it also I feel like in my

0:55:51head in this guy again this could be a

0:55:52Pizza Hut tumblr situation cuz I very

0:55:54clearly remember those red Tom where's

0:55:55the Pizza Hut and also I think it had

0:55:57like guys with roger McGuinn glasses and

0:56:00like indian headband oh sure of course

0:56:02of course you know the look like I'm 21

0:56:05Jump Street was exactly like that they

0:56:07wanted to do stories about gangs but

0:56:08they couldn't they couldn't use actual

0:56:11red or no colors and so like their gang

0:56:15yellow and the cruds

0:56:18yeah the lemon drops and I think they're

0:56:31wearing roger mcginn glasses like man

0:56:37you wanna buy some squeak-squeak not a

0:56:39thing yeah this new drug it's called

0:56:42pistol-whip the kids are doing it

0:56:43and yes so anyway that's I got you away

0:56:47from your pants hey Adriano Goldsmith

0:56:49you know I'm telling you I'm here to

0:56:50tell you like Peter Schaffer says in the

0:56:52play Equus moments snap together like

0:56:54magnets

0:56:55there's no way to have any you don't get

0:56:58much control over what decides to stick

0:57:00around how you remember it whether you

0:57:01remember it and having just watched

0:57:03cocoa yesterday

0:57:03which is a very very good movie now of

0:57:07course I'm thinking a lot about memory

0:57:08it's Coco the movie about about a an ape

0:57:12I loved this movie so much I don't want

0:57:16to say too much I would just say it's a

0:57:18very good Pixar movie it has a lot is

0:57:22based around the Day of the Dead and a

0:57:25Mexican family Oh on day the day and

0:57:27it's it's really really good I didn't

0:57:32cry oh yeah I love that gorilla yeah

0:57:35like a hundred different sign languages

0:57:37if I'm a different Coco different Coco

0:57:39yeah

0:57:40Coco cool I got the kitten and then it

0:57:45was terrible watching it was wonderful

0:57:47it was beautiful shining disc meet

0:57:51Coco's new kittens I gotta stop the show

0:57:53is Coco alive still uh I think Coco I

0:57:59don't know it's gonna be a Rosanna

0:58:00situation did they replace the Coco it

0:58:02looks to be according to the internet

0:58:03science site looks like Coco still alive

0:58:05you know Coco I mean girl was 46 years

0:58:08old dude and she's still out there

0:58:10talking to kittens and we don't we don't

0:58:13have like a lot

0:58:14I mean God bless the hippo at the

0:58:16Cincinnati Zoo it's a really cute hippo

0:58:18god bless all my cute animals that said

0:58:20why are we just not getting 24/7 Coco

0:58:22well yeah why doesn't Coco's why don't

0:58:25we have a Coco in every community that

0:58:27people could just go interact with I

0:58:28think it's got to be pretty labor

0:58:30intensive to teach a a gorilla how to

0:58:34sign but I also think why are we not

0:58:37doing that I mean we're spending we're

0:58:39spending tons and tons of money building

0:58:41the f-35 and that sister it's a lot less

0:58:44useful than being able to sign with apes

0:58:47did I tell you I got scammed by cheetahs

0:58:50owner say what okay so you're in for

0:58:53Tarzan movies yes okay I'm pretty sure I

0:58:56got scammed cuz here's the thing there's

0:58:58this guy I gotta look this up see this

0:58:59is another thing I hadn't even bothered

0:59:00to look up but cheetah the original

0:59:04cheetah from the Tarzan movies was like

0:59:06basically in this you know not a hospice

0:59:10but like a retirement like a like a

0:59:11monkey retirement home

0:59:13jim-jim sorry chimps are monkeys anyway

0:59:16you know I'm staying here you

0:59:17don't don't write us don't add us no no

0:59:20no but basically this guy took care of

0:59:22cheetah and the idea was we're gonna

0:59:24cover cheetahs expenses oh by the way I

0:59:27didn't mention cheetah reportedly loves

0:59:29to paint she cheated and cheetah would

0:59:33make these paintings and this fella you

0:59:35could buy an original Chi cheetah canvas

0:59:38and that money was used to help cheetah

0:59:41I still had in my house one of these

0:59:44that I bought and I remember from the

0:59:45moment I got it I thought huh I'm not

0:59:49I'm not an artist or an art critic but

0:59:51looking at this this does not look like

0:59:53knowing a little bit that I know about

0:59:56people and children in particular in

0:59:57some animals if you give an animal

0:59:57some animals if you give an animal

1:00:00Oh paint what they make will not look

1:00:02anything like what you would expect

1:00:05imagine it's gonna be like there's gonna

1:00:07be big splotches in this area nothing

1:00:09over here this is a very uniform like

1:00:11strokes of purple and kind of

1:00:13complementary colors and I was like this

1:00:15I don't know about this I'm pretty sure

1:00:17I'm pretty sure as a jamup I'm pretty

1:00:19sure the dude painted it I feel like if

1:00:22you went on line and said cheetah paint

1:00:25and see now I got a look I bet you

1:00:27there's a video of cheetah actually

1:00:28painting paintings and you can you can

1:00:31go and verify this cheetah no H because

1:00:35ice I actually there's a place there's a

1:00:38place where elephants are given paint

1:00:40brushes and and canvases okay and and

1:00:44it's the similar type of thing they sell

1:00:46the paintings in order to raise money

1:00:48for the elephants yeah and I work well

1:00:52yeah right but also you know the idea

1:00:54being that an elephant has all this

1:00:56depth and sensitivity and if you get if

1:00:59you teach them to paint they can I mean

1:01:01it really helps them emotionally oh okay

1:01:04all right that's super interesting to me

1:01:06I have watched hours and hours of maybe

1:01:08not hours but let's say I've watched a

1:01:10lot more than one of elephants painting

1:01:13okay and they seem to really really do

1:01:17it enthusiastically and and you do

1:01:19really feel like they get the idea they

1:01:21understand that they're making art and I

1:01:24I was on the very very edge of buying a

1:01:29giant elephant artwork several times and

1:01:32the thing was they they put them up at

1:01:34each individual piece and I went through

1:01:37them many times like which one of these

1:01:39you know and I would narrow it down to a

1:01:41couple and then I I never pulled the

1:01:43trigger because I honestly I felt like

1:01:45the elephant had yet to do its best work

1:01:46oh okay it's still a young artist I was

1:01:49waiting for them to mature I was waiting

1:01:51for their paintings to mature and so

1:01:53that I mean because they the painting

1:01:55spoke to me but there was just there was

1:01:56this feeling of like nascent talent that

1:01:59was like it just needed a little bit

1:02:01more time with paint a little bit more

1:02:03time it's like wackadoo enough to feel

1:02:05like naive art like your friend your

1:02:07friend they are collecting drummer now

1:02:09does he have anything that's been

1:02:10painted by animals

1:02:11no he does not does he likes folky naive

1:02:17art is that his thing no not quite not

1:02:20quite all the way to that he likes but

1:02:23it's all his art is mostly figurative

1:02:26it's not just like splattered paint on a

1:02:28canvas it's usually like a painting of a

1:02:31thing no my friend rainy Egan who lives

1:02:35with you in San Francisco California he

1:02:37does so he lives over over by the park

1:02:48got the guy insulted when I was drunk

1:02:50that time that was a total moment one

1:03:05day I will be as absolutely unfiltered

1:03:08as Merlin Mann in this moment of your

1:03:13clients to be able to afford this house

1:03:15forgetting for alcohol reasons I don't

1:03:17think you see me like not being quite

1:03:19myself maybe I was too much myself that

1:03:21night there was also some herbs involved

1:03:26that night and that might have been part

1:03:27of it you were tying it on sometimes

1:03:30rock and roll buddy and we're having a

1:03:32this was after MC Hammer's birthday

1:03:34party wasn't it yeah yeah same night

1:03:36after you spit on the streetcar and they

1:03:38went to this guy's massive massive house

1:03:39where he lived alone in a streetcar

1:03:43[Music]

1:03:45yeah the streetcar Twitter account said

1:03:48hey that still has an impact

1:03:53we watched elf last night and I as of

1:03:56last night I'm giving up on trying to

1:03:58help my daughter remember this I was

1:03:59like hey hey that time that guy came

1:04:01over in the wind Burke of that morning

1:04:02when that tall guy with the dark hair he

1:04:03used to be married to that elf girl hmm

1:04:06she's like I don't know I don't

1:04:07understand any of the words that he just

1:04:08said she's not usually blonde but they

1:04:12used to be married and she was a singer

1:04:13with them Ward and she's like why are

1:04:14you still talking let's just watch the

1:04:15movie

1:04:15what no who do you who you impressing

1:04:17with this me showing her the email the

1:04:19time I emailed Bill Hader like I'm

1:04:21supposed really impress her or something

1:04:22yeah yep yep the kids don't care

1:04:24they don't care although I it was nice

1:04:27he was a gentleman he came over the

1:04:28house was like hey what's this guy doing

1:04:29in my house look at this guy yeah he's a

1:04:31gentleman he's a gentleman I'm friends

1:04:32with Casper baby pants yes and being

1:04:35friends with couchsurfing dance within

1:04:37the kid universe yeah water in that

1:04:41seaside town he does and and it is a I

1:04:44mean all of the other things that I can

1:04:45talk about about about timer nice man

1:04:51he's a nice man he's got a lot going on

1:04:53but i tough man kids are Havel they say

1:04:56never work with with children or animals

1:04:57is what they say you know he Casper baby

1:05:01pants he he raised his son to our

1:05:03program and daughter is really really

1:05:06really nice email that kind of made my

1:05:07month he's nice I think about him all

1:05:09the time because what about the guy

1:05:11insulted well the guy where I told him

1:05:13is his bathroom was too expensive for

1:05:14living alone what was that he didn't

1:05:16listen to our show does he know no he

1:05:21but he's you know he's just sitting on a

1:05:24big big pile of money he's like Absalom

1:05:27the caterpillar room over sting but

1:05:35there are people periodically that will

1:05:37come through town or that I'll talk to

1:05:39who are like I remember that night in

1:05:40San Francisco with that we spent with

1:05:42Merlin man and I'll be like Shirin and

1:05:45and then they'll tell a story about how

1:05:47you got rowdy yeah and took a took a

1:05:50Subway sandwich and stuck it in two

1:05:52different nights a bellhops here or

1:05:54whatever sandwich is over a sewer with

1:05:58pollen storm and I think that's you know

1:06:00that's been pretty well documented I

1:06:02have a photo of Jonathan Coulton

1:06:05standing standing in a subway at like

1:06:062:00 in the morning looking with his

1:06:08eyes closed his eyes are always closed

1:06:09in photos if you ever notice sign

1:06:11I think his eyes were always closed he's

1:06:14a Dracula he puts his he puts like a

1:06:17little hologram of an eyeball in front

1:06:20of his eyelid by using Cylons anybody

1:06:24who could benefit from the AR economy

1:06:27that is coming down the road it is your

1:06:29friend Jonathan Coulton it's true

1:06:30although I had an interesting

1:06:32conversation the other day this is this

1:06:35may be this may be a thought technology

1:06:37that

1:06:38you do not want our listeners do not

1:06:40want Jesus I had a conversation with a

1:06:44with a good friend who is a friend of

1:06:45yours and a friend of the program and a

1:06:47friend of our universe who said I feel

1:06:50like the up-and-coming the next gen the

1:06:55kids who are like walking into the world

1:06:57right now they do not have any loyalty

1:07:02to nerd and so this thing though this

1:07:08thing that we have been living in the

1:07:09last 10 years is like so many other

1:07:12things in our lives a thing where as

1:07:15we're in it we're thinking this is the

1:07:18future forever Oh sort of like the

1:07:21embalming years like I felt like that

1:07:22was gonna take yeah or like we've talked

1:07:25about before all through the 90s I was

1:07:27thinking that the that the information

1:07:31that I was that I was really honing the

1:07:34skills that I was honing to be able to

1:07:36tell a 1954 Fender Telecaster from an l5

1:07:40Telecaster it became useless to me

1:07:44I mean useless less than used it went

1:07:46from it went from being fairly useful as

1:07:48an obscure thing not many people knew to

1:07:50like being like tears in rain yeah well

1:07:52it was not not just obscure I mean it

1:07:55was a way you could make a living you

1:07:56could be a person who sat behind a desk

1:07:58and somebody came in and said you'd be

1:08:00able to go like oh this is not an

1:08:01original truss rod for sure thank you

1:08:04for Telecaster and you're like sorry

1:08:06buddy that's not the real tuning pegs

1:08:08now who cares and so all of this

1:08:11investment that a lot of us have put

1:08:13into and and all of the rewards we've

1:08:15reaped but the investment into this idea

1:08:18of like nerd culture yeah the the

1:08:22supposition is that's all going away and

1:08:25when it goes away it's not one of these

1:08:27things that's going to go away gently

1:08:30over eight years it's a thing that's

1:08:32gonna go away pretty fast because it's

1:08:34going to become and I think it maybe

1:08:36already is true that it's it's already

1:08:39transitioning to nostalgia culture so

1:08:43well put

1:08:46or 2008 when nerd was new or remember

1:08:512011 when we first like when the first

1:08:54Iron Man movie came out and people were

1:08:56like oh my god

1:08:57that he's not he's fairly obscure as

1:09:01these kinds of things go and it's Robert

1:09:03Downey jr. and it's good and like for

1:09:05the first time like a superhero movie

1:09:07made since Superman could be good like

1:09:10what is happening yeah and I think I

1:09:12think the idea now is that that young

1:09:15people coming up or like what they're I

1:09:17mean nerd has become meaningless phrase

1:09:19right it's everybody is one yeah you

1:09:22just want my hot topic and it's just

1:09:23like wow that's stuff I could never have

1:09:25imagined just special edition Doctor Who

1:09:28Funko dolls and stuff like what is

1:09:30happening and it's complete it's so

1:09:33completely Universal that the idea of

1:09:35for instance going on a nerd cruise or

1:09:37or being a nerd artist or something it

1:09:41just is not meaningful to somebody

1:09:43that's under the age of 25 so taken to

1:09:45its extreme that's somebody like a

1:09:46Jonathan Coulton probably like maybe

1:09:48they might be giants MC Frontalot right

1:09:50that's front in particular or maybe

1:09:52Weird Al like these people who were like

1:09:54part of their bona fides were like they

1:09:56are very talented at doing something

1:09:59that feels like a little bit of an

1:10:01outsider thing for weirdos but I feel

1:10:03like the talent will always win out

1:10:05right they might be giants have never I

1:10:07mean they might be giants have

1:10:09definitely not there they haven't like

1:10:13suffered during the nerd years but also

1:10:16they are great right so they figured a

1:10:20diversify their income stream which i

1:10:21think is pretty amazing yeah they sell a

1:10:23literally a ton of t-shirts but like

1:10:26literally one ton but like that music

1:10:31will always appeal to people not

1:10:33necessarily through them reflecting on

1:10:36their own identity as a nerd right and

1:10:38that's true of Jonathan Coulton too but

1:10:40there are an awful awful awful lot of

1:10:42people out there whose whole business

1:10:44and their whole thing is just like you

1:10:49know the t-shirt actually says like nerd

1:10:50exclamation point and and that is gonna

1:10:54be that's all nostalgia now even already

1:10:57yeah

1:10:58I yeah you think about look at how many

1:11:00movies slated freely and this is the

1:11:02result of many many market conditions

1:11:04that are too complicated into here but

1:11:06your look at the number of movies coming

1:11:07out in 2018 that are either sequels part

1:11:11of a franchise or like repurposed from

1:11:13something like look up I mean they've

1:11:15made movies from books for a very long

1:11:17time but like for so many things to be

1:11:20part of a franchise it's it's it's it's

1:11:22it would be and then to say that like

1:11:25these 35 superhero movies look at all

1:11:27the nerds of one right right but we now

1:11:33get three hundred thousand dollar movies

1:11:34that are way too dark getting made yay

1:11:36thank you barely see anything

1:11:38nerds I'm a nerd the thing about the

1:11:41Nerds winning is what we who we don't

1:11:43remember is all the times in the past

1:11:45where X has won and then that's just

1:11:48mainstream culture now and we never

1:11:50think about it again right like that's

1:11:52that's how the hegemony works it is and

1:11:54so so as nerd passes like what's next I

1:11:58don't know when I was on the when I was

1:12:00on this submarine the other day I was

1:12:03talking to the captain and he was saying

1:12:05I can't use sports metaphors there none

1:12:08of the crew like I have 300 people on

1:12:11this boat and not a single one of them

1:12:12understands what I mean when I say let's

1:12:14take this let's let's gain some yards on

1:12:16this let's take this let's take this

1:12:18project and go in for a touchdown I just

1:12:20get blank looks and he says you know

1:12:22this guy's he has to say let's collect

1:12:24the infinity gems he's yeah he's foot

1:12:27he's 41 or whatever and he's a he's a

1:12:28commander of a submarine he's like

1:12:30they're all gamers and I have no idea

1:12:32what what they are what it motivates

1:12:35them because sports metaphors just go

1:12:37right over their head and and that is a

1:12:39thing that's a language gulf that will

1:12:41that exists now and it's like not just a

1:12:44language gulf but like a like a

1:12:46comprehension gulf I have never played a

1:12:48game like that there are lots and lots

1:12:51of people now who are making a pretty

1:12:53good living just being professional

1:12:54gamers where they just play games and

1:12:57other people watch them and I'll never

1:12:59be in that I'll never I mean you know

1:13:02I've made it this far I can I made it

1:13:06all the way to doing stuff on apps

1:13:11and and knowing enough to disable in-app

1:13:14purchases but you're also two point

1:13:15laughs where you get to begin your

1:13:16sentences with dependent clauses like

1:13:18the other day when I was on a submarine

1:13:23just go by but as far as me being like

1:13:27like ground zero and opulent culture

1:13:30right I totally missed the window mr.

1:13:32new song it's about I was at a store

1:13:39yesterday and some music came on the

1:13:42internet overhead the internet overhead

1:13:45which I guess used to be called music oh

1:13:48yes yes yes speaker they called speaker

1:13:52content now speaker content I was like

1:13:56I've heard this song before I've heard

1:13:57it enough now and it feels like is this

1:14:01a song that was really popular nine

1:14:02months ago and I missed it or two years

1:14:06ago and I missed it because this is a

1:14:07really good song how did I miss this

1:14:10going by so I so I Sam dit mhm

1:14:14Sam's gotten very fast Shazam TM it's

1:14:17gotten really fast and sound

1:14:19they're just crazy fast now I don't know

1:14:21what they've done to tweak that but it

1:14:22fits the song that you're pretty sure it

1:14:24should know it'll know in seconds now

1:14:25and it's gotten really good at at doing

1:14:28it in a noisy restaurant or in a room

1:14:30where there was a lot of ambient noise

1:14:31where it's magic to me that that would -

1:14:35and that's an app where it's like you

1:14:38know I have all those apps where you

1:14:40point your phone up at the stars and it

1:14:43tells you about the constellations last

1:14:44night to find the super moon and those

1:14:46are those are wonderful but in terms of

1:14:48being able to be in a store and go

1:14:50what's this song and hold your phone up

1:14:51and it tells you I still am amazed by

1:14:53that

1:14:54it's almost always pink remember that

1:14:57time when you and I were in your living

1:14:59room and you had me sing my own song

1:15:01into the phone it was just like is that

1:15:09Tom flicker I think yeah but but so I

1:15:13pulled my phone up and it tells me that

1:15:15this song is effectively brand new this

1:15:19fall it's number one on the charts and

1:15:21it's by Portugal the man who are

1:15:24hey friends of mine and be from Alaska

1:15:26Portugal the man and it's this song

1:15:29where it basically sounds like a CeeLo

1:15:30green song it doesn't sound it's such a

1:15:33hooky hook and it doesn't feel like

1:15:37indie rock necessarily it feels like

1:15:39this other thing this kind of thing that

1:15:42could be like andre 3000 song off of an

1:15:45outcast record the song is 2 minutes and

1:15:4940 seconds long I mean genius length

1:15:52where it comes to the end and you're

1:15:53like wait wait is that all played again

1:15:56and so I texted a friend of mine like oh

1:16:00man

1:16:01Portugal the man has got a legit hit

1:16:05torch another man and the friend of mine

1:16:07was like I'm playing in the in that band

1:16:10now I've been in Portugal demands since

1:16:122015 and you didn't even know it and I

1:16:14was like what and then he sent me a

1:16:16picture of himself on an airplane

1:16:18wearing a hat that said Alaska and he's

1:16:21like we're on tour right now we're

1:16:22flying out to somewhere stand and those

1:16:27guys are from Alaska right we're all

1:16:28from there from Matanuska Valley I just

1:16:31found out my my niece is going out with

1:16:33a guy who's his podcast is more popular

1:16:35than mine I mean I wasn't familiar with

1:16:39it but I I see I realized now this guy

1:16:42whose name I keep seeing turning up in

1:16:43various places you imagine how that

1:16:44feels to me is it Travis McElroy I

1:16:46couldn't say yeah but anyway Paul the

1:16:51man this tune that they're doing they're

1:16:53younger than me Portugal they're in

1:16:54Portugal Portugal the man is the name of

1:16:56the band that's the name of the band and

1:16:57they did that thing with the where they

1:17:00did like bad punctuation it's Portugal

1:17:02period the period man what Portugal

1:17:06Portugal the period man they put like

1:17:09extra punctuation god speed you pluck

1:17:12amber gets a pass on that but everybody

1:17:14else needs to quit doing that just well

1:17:15it's too late they've been doing it for

1:17:17like nine years so Portugal now anyway

1:17:20they are Portugal the man they are

1:17:22they're not like young they've been and

1:17:25they've been a band for 10 years but

1:17:27they're still in there I think early 30s

1:17:29and this tune and the whole vibe of it

1:17:32porch another man like he's wearing a

1:17:34mustache and it's like post-ironic

1:17:37- into like normcore mustache and the

1:17:40whole thing just feels like musically

1:17:43I'm super into it but culturally it's

1:17:46just a little bit out of my reach like I

1:17:50can't quite even though they're only

1:17:53there 35 they're not even music facial

1:17:56hair music has changed a lot in your 40s

1:17:59I used to be the only people who look

1:18:01like you were what

1:18:02who's that band I like granddaddy like

1:18:04you me the grande a granddaddy would

1:18:06look like you you get an iron wine it

1:18:09looks like you may be a Dave bazan

1:18:10but like you did not see that many

1:18:12bearded people and now it's just all

1:18:13beers a whistle isn't you oh hey

1:18:17speaking of which did you know the page

1:18:19where the lines getting back together I

1:18:20did I heard that yeah and they're going

1:18:22right left I follow him on Twitter he's

1:18:24a good man yeah he's good he's good and

1:18:27it's gonna be the next few years all

1:18:30about Pedro by the way because you know

1:18:35they're young enough that they could get

1:18:37into this black man young

1:18:39well he's younger than me is he

1:18:41everybody's an old soul that's true

1:18:44that's true a lot of people get old

1:18:46young mmm Portugal - man Portugal period

1:18:51the man no period Portugal period the

1:18:56man no Peter no period right and then

1:18:58got a black Emperor they it is Godspeed

1:19:02you exclamation point

1:19:03black Emperor I believe that's right how

1:19:05to look well there's ellipses and you'll

1:19:08know us by the trail of death that's

1:19:10true we will that's right Friday Night

1:19:15Lights band that's like the MTV version

1:19:18of guts beat you black rapper what do

1:19:19they call what's that band called the

1:19:20Friday Night Lights Friday Night Lights

1:19:23oh come on it's that one band that's a

1:19:25show about a football right yes - true

1:19:28true high true eyes big hearts we're not

1:19:31gonna lose true eyes big heart song used

1:19:35on explosions in the sky oh this guy do

1:19:38they have weird punctuation no I I like

1:19:41their music fine but they remind me of

1:19:43like a little bit of like they are the

1:19:45Coldplay - Godspeed You black hampers

1:19:47Radiohead Oh interesting

1:19:50interesting I have not spent enough time

1:19:51in the Canon of all of that oh really

1:19:55is it all isn't that all like Mogwai

1:19:57derived no no I feel step on your shoe

1:20:04oh no just it concerns me because there

1:20:08was a point probably in the year that

1:20:10didn't exist there's a point at some

1:20:12point 1987 1987 point in the mid to late

1:20:1590s it suddenly became clear that I was

1:20:18supposed to really like a band called

1:20:20tortoise I was supposed to really like

1:20:23they all had names that sound like like

1:20:25a Mexican cactus cactuses or something

1:20:27like these bands use and I would just be

1:20:29like I don't get i this feels it feels

1:20:31like a jamup I get it it's slow and

1:20:34there's a vibraphone what is happening

1:20:36now god speech about Goepper you could

1:20:37call them a post rock band you could but

1:20:40like they're doing a whole different

1:20:41thing they're kind of what is that thing

1:20:45did I have their songs on my phone and

1:20:47it's uh but I don't know I never

1:20:50understood what post rock is I I don't

1:20:52either

1:20:52I don't either it all was that one guy

1:20:54what's his name John McEnroe there's

1:20:56that one guy that's in all those bands I

1:20:57think his name's John McEnroe John

1:20:59McEnroe was one of the greatest the

1:21:01greatest vibraphonist something he

1:21:03married to Brookfield he was now he's

1:21:05married - are you thinking of paper

1:21:07paper chase what's the right no no I got

1:21:14all I got is this twenty dollar bill

1:21:15paper moon he's married paper moon one

1:21:20of those long pillows with a Neil Young

1:21:25album it's only available streaming on

1:21:27that Orange Box down on paper moon no

1:21:29Tatum O'Neal Tatum O'Neal was married to

1:21:32the guy from tortoise I'm pretty sure my

1:21:33right what are those pillows fit that

1:21:36like that are waifu's uh-huh spiky blue

1:21:41haired girl you sleep with pillow yeah

1:21:43yeah yeah yeah well pillow but why

1:21:47everybody have holidays oh shit oh shit

1:21:52well should I bleep it what happen oh

1:21:54yeah you probably did

1:21:55[Laughter]