H.I. #93: Mr. Chompers
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we drive the listeners crazy because we
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love them I do never cease being
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surprised by how bad your spelling is
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behind the Saints it seems like it's not
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your luck strongest suit
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I would say that spelling is is perhaps
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perhaps my weakest suit way better at
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socializing at big parties probably way
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better at skydiving than I am at
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spelling my method of spelling words is
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just typed quickly right just type
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quickly whatever comes into your head
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first there what I'm about to say of
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course of course as a former teacher I
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would never endorse let students do what
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I'm about to say that I I did when I was
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a student but when I was back in like
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high school and middle school I would
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cheat the hell out of spelling tests how
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do you would you check one of the years
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I had a homeroom class that then rolled
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over into an English class and so I
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would I would be able to just write very
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lightly in pencil some of the the
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spelling words that I knew were going to
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be on the test or like the likely
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spelling words that were going to be on
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the test or it concealed them somewhere
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else you know I think most industrious
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kids now if you really put your mind to
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it it's not super hard to cheat if
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you're not in a standardized test
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environment and there's any kind of
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regularity to it but here's the thing
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the reason I felt no guilt about
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cheating is because I could only cheat
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my way to like a 50 percent score right
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if I wasn't cheating I would get like a
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20 percent score on the spelling it
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would have been atrocious but if I had
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cheated my way into like oh wow I got a
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got an 80 percent this week it would be
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way too obvious right there like I would
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have been caught for cheating
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immediately because it would be so
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obvious that there's no way this kid
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actually did it so I felt like I cheated
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myself into a less bad failing grade to
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try to not entirely pull down my grade
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average for the class on a whole so that
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was my history with spelling in school
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normally between you and I there is a
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one-way flow of
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pictures of cute puppies I often send
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you pictures of Audrey and Lulu in
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action and stuff like that mm-hmm
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but everything has changed you have been
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sending me videos and pictures of you
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playing with a super super cute dog what
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is going on tell people what is
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happening in your world
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what is happening in my world is not
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what the listeners are probably
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imagining I have not gotten a dog the
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gray family has no intention to get a
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dog but we make decisions not promises
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for our future selves but you know for
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the moment we've decided that we're not
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gonna get a dog hmm but but we talked
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our way into dog sitting our neighbors
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new puppy I have been like it like a
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stay at home doggy dad for the past week
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taking care of a little Bulldog breed
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puppy who is very cute and I feel like
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someone who has a baby and then can't
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help but just send photos of the baby to
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everyone in the world I think I have
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sent photos and videos of this little
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dog to lots of people lots of people
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like on social boundaries it's like
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should I really be sending this person
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the picture of the dog like I'm what the
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dog is so cute like what I can't not
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send this photograph so yeah there's
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been there's been an exodus of dog
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photos and videos from my phone to many
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other people so I can see how your wife
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would get herself into dog sitting I
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cannot see how you would have agreed to
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this it seems like that it seems like
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something you wouldn't do like like you
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know you're a nice guy and right stuff
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but I can't say you agreeing to dog shit
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like someone else's dog okay so okay I
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have to ask you this because when I have
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sent out these pictures to people I have
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gotten universal feedback which is
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exactly exactly what you're expressing
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which is I don't understand why or how
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you've agreed to this and to me I feel
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like my only response is what do you
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mean why would someone agreed like I can
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barely understand like what what do you
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think is the reason that I wouldn't do
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it's such an encroachment upon your time
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and your space for something that is not
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yours and like I know you've been
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involved it's not just like you've just
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been keeping an eye on it you've been
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like training it you know trying to make
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it a better dog a better puppy very
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important it sounds like it's been you
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know and I know it's encroached on your
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ability to do other things in your
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normal course of your day you've made it
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sound like it's you know becoming real
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a big thing in your life for whatever
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period you're doing this for and that
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just seems like something that you would
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be reluctant to agree to you know you
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you are so you know organized and set in
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your ways and like to organize your time
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and you're quite like a self-contained
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unit this is drew like you don't seem
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like someone who does lots and lots of
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things for the benefit of other people
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and yet this dog-sitting thing goes
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against that and I get you get like you
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know some fun times and cuteness out of
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it but I wouldn't have thought that
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would have been enough to have overcome
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all your other traits I guess I can see
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that on the other hand puppies are great
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yeah my parents mostly let it but I
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helped out with the training of Lucy my
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parents dog when she was a little puppy
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and that was that was the first time I
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ever had any experience doing formal dog
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training and so like I found that a
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really interesting experience and as
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I've mentioned many times on the podcast
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like a helpful experience and looking
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back now you do talk about that Cesar
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Millan show a lot don't you and like you
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have got a bit of an interest in dog
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training now I think about it
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yeah like actually we can we can revisit
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that in a moment but but so like this
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this to me is now like another little
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step up of the ratchet where it's like
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oh now there's a dog that I have total
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responsibility for for huge portions of
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the day and so that that's a very
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different level of behavior training and
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I like I personally just find that very
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interesting but but I will say you are
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100% right when you talk about an
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encroachment into my life because in the
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in the main room of our house the room
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where we have the kitchen and I like a
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couch in space to watch TV the main
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living area of the house 40% of that
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floor space is now taken up by a doggy
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not for this dog dog sitting which
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contains within it a doggy bed and many
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doggy toys we also got a harness for the
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little dog and leash we've purchased
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many many things for this popper
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so just oh yeah oh my god yeah my
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commitment is this are you just doing
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something temporarily while they went to
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like Europe for a week or is this while
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they go to their job everyday you've
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said I will care for your dog during the
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day while you do your normal job every
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day of your life so basically I'm taking
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care of the dog during the day this is
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what we've signed up for is the puppy is
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very very young he's about 10 weeks old
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now what's his name I mean for the
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privacy sake for the dog I don't want to
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give his name that's true that's true
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safety grey safety yeah I'm gonna call
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him mr. chompers because he chomps on
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absolutely everything and that's that is
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the number one behavior that we're
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working on right now is that mr.
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chompers has to get less Chompy is mr.
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chompers chomping your personal
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no no he's very good about that actually
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mr. chompers favorite thing to chomp our
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hands I would count your hands as your
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personal possessions but I see what you
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made how they're just they're just part
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of the meat sack that I live in that's a
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very different thing but yes and mr.
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chompers we're doing lots of redirection
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you know you chew on toys and it's great
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to see him learn over time that can
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change his behavior like I find that
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very rewarding I was like the most proud
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father in the world the very first day
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when he went on his own and picked up
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one of his chew toys instead of having
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to be directed towards the chew toy like
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this is very very young puppy behavior
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where they're just you know yeah it's
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very hard to train them at this stage
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but no I'm taking care of him during the
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day and I will say that I suspect right
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that we were like angels from heaven
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descended upon these neighbors of ours
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with their dog because they had taken a
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bunch of time off work to be around mr.
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chompers and then they had to go back to
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work and they were trying to arrange
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like some things with their other family
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and like daycare Scituate and like a
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whole bunch of other stuff and then we
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showed up like hey I work from home I
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couldn't look after mr. chompers ed is
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like and I'm more more than happy yank
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I needed to help out with the training
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while he's a little puppy for a while so
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but how did you get out of this now like
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at what point do you say okay I'm not
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having a dog anymore have you put any
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kind of expiration date on this
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agreement or yeah the implied expiration
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date is just when he's old enough to
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actually be able to be left alone for
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some period of time like he's just he's
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he's too young as a puppy to be on its
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own all day so like they have to do
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something with him and so and so this
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way like he doesn't have to go you know
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into like a doggy daycare facility for
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the day I can I can just go I can just
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go pick him up bring him to my place
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drop him off and then and then have this
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little puppy be essentially an
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all-consuming focus of my life for the
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entire day it's it's exhausting it's
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genuinely exhausted is there any concern
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you're gonna get into one of these like
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cliched sort of surrogate mother type
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positions when they say okay it's time
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for us to have our dog back and you're
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gonna be like your dog I'm the one who's
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brought it up and told it to tourism no
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no but see see this is this is the thing
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that nobody understands right this is
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the best way to have a dog is the
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ability to give him back at the end of
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the day or like this weekend right we
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don't have we don't have mr. chompers
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this weekend because he is with his
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actual parents he's like oh wow my wife
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and I now have like look at this look at
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all of this space we have we can
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collapse the whole the whole dog pen
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situation we can put it off to the side
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we can just relax it's great like I feel
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like this is this is what this is what
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Brady grandparents are always talking
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about right with their like Oh grandkids
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are better than real kids because you
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get to give the grandchildren back but
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you also get to spend some time with the
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grandkids but do you find yourself
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sitting around ever thinking wow I wish
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mr. chompers was here we do wonder what
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mr. chompers is up to right yeah I
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wonder what he's doing right now we've
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definitely reviewed mr. chompers videos
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that we've taken and photographs because
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Brady at this age they grow up so fast
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like he's legitimately bigger every day
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and now that I will I will not have seen
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him for a long weekend when I see mr.
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chompers tomorrow he's gonna he's gonna
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be he's gonna be so much bigger already
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you have to give to cherish the time
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that you have with them when they're
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young are you dealing with Poe and we oh
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yeah yeah we have in the
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house yeah we're doing pedal pads like
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he's not he's not potty trained yet so
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we're doing the piddle pads on the floor
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for now so we have that all we have that
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laid out a little dog goes through
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mountains of Biddle pads so yeah that's
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that's it yeah you had to pick up a /
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yeah yeah I picked up poo that's what
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you do with dogs oh man I would I will
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pay you 50 pounds for a video of you
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picking up a poo why I just can't
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imagine you doing it we want one of
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those little dog poo bag dispensers in
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the shape of a bone right so you can
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pull out a little dog poop bag yeah yeah
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you know what I'm talking about the kind
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in cross yeah so yeah we've just got one
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yeah I take I take mr. chompers out for
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walks we're trying to train him to go to
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the bathroom outside and say yeah you
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pick up poo that that's what you do with
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with fill dogs
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if tagine have to organize and mr.
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chompers Audrey playdate
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oh yeah does she do well with other dogs
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depends on the dog hmm she's quite
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territorial but away from home she's
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pretty friendly with all dogs in her
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Park only certain dogs are allowed right
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of course of course I forget that Audrey
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does own that Park it is it does say on
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away from her away from home she's
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pretty cool with old dogs and she gets
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used to any dog within about a minute
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well you know socializing is an
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important part of a puppy life but this
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is absolutely not moved your own
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personal needle for getting a dog at
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some point oh you know I can see at some
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point in the future we get a dog I don't
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see it in the near future for a whole
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variety of reasons and and again
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everybody says to me they're like oh you
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know oh you you've adopted somebody
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else's dog essentially during the day
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like you're gonna you're gonna have a
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dog within weeks and and my my view on
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this is the exact opposite we are in
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fact satiating our doggy needs right we
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are not amplifying doggy native we'll
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say once you're mr. chompers excess is
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no longer on tap you may feel
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hot stoppers I don't think we've got to
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the endgame yet but I have now activated
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the section of the hello Internet
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patreon page so that any existing
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patrons and any future patrons
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can provide a postal address like they
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can fill in a postal address section now
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and if they decide to do so it's a
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voluntary thing obviously but if they
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decide to do so they will be going into
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a specially devised semi random ballot
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and I will occasionally be sending out
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random hot stoppers to people and they
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would arrive unexpectedly like a like a
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gift from Santa Claus I will not be
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emailing or informing people that they
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are coming right
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partly because I like the surprise mmm
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and partly because if I did do that and
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then for some reason someone's gets lost
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in the post right I get back to that
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original problem that I'm trying to
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avoid administration so you would not
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know it's coming right now we get back
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to fulfillment problems yeah exactly
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even though it's like a free gift people
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will still get upset if I email them and
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say you've got one coming hmm and it
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doesn't arrive so I'm not doing that I
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think that's great
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remind me brainy there's a thing I want
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to talk to you after the show after
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we're done recording about about that
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about what to do with X I've been
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thinking some learn something along
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those lines but it you had to say it was
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very interesting reading through the
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feedback I always really liked it to see
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all all the feedback in the reddit and
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people coming up with ideas about what
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to do I'm gonna stay away from any
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specific solutions right now but what I
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will say my general feeling reading
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through people's ideas is I was aware I
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was aware of myself getting pulled
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toward and sort of repelled away from
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two kinds of ideas I really liked all
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the ideas that people had that were just
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fun ideas like some people came up with
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some fun possibly impractical and maybe
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not really doable ideas but just like
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fun things what could you do with a
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thousand hot Stoppers right and people
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came up with great ideas and I just
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found it interesting that even though my
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question was help us solve this economic
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problem last time I found myself
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repelled away a little bit from the
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actual solutions to this problem like
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there were a couple of really good
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write-ups where people were going
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through like oh here here's how you can
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solve this problem in in a in a very
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efficient way and just thought no I
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think these are these are whimsical hot
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Stoppers I agree I think they should be
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used in some kind of fun way I also
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think a lot of
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the suggestions I read indicated to me
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that people hadn't really understood the
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problem mmm and they were saying I don't
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know this is it this is an easy problem
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just like set this price and do this and
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organize this distribution person and
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like they just then outlined a solution
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which was the exact thing I was trying
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to avoid which was a whole big thing
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right so it's still it's still
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unresolved you've got yours now though I
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did send you some yes what do you what
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are your thoughts now that you've seen
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them in the in the real life flesh I
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absolutely love that istick they're not
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actually made of flesh of course dude
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that would be weird not stoppers if that
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if a ki fingers I'd opened up an
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envelope and gotten some flesh based on
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Stoppers I don't think we would
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recording this podcast right now I think
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our relationship would be terminated
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least a chump is would have liked him
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you know we can't train mr. jumpers on
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human flesh that's the be very much
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against the training that we're working
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very hard with with him all right
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there's no joking about mr. choppers
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training sorry it's absolutely serious
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no it's great it's great seeing them as
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a whole big bunch and I feel like it it
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it compels the mind with fun ideas
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seeing a big a big bunch of hot stoppers
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like that have you actually used one
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though to stop hotness I have not yet
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used one to stop hotness I promise when
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I do when I do use a the first hot
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stopper to stop hotness I'll post it up
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on on Twitter or on my second channel
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somewhere so so people can see the
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virgin use of a hot stopper so many
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people have responded to it I guess we
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should just shout out to all the people
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who had something to say about our
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discussion last episode about the
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astronauts dressing up for Halloween oh
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man I've got to say yeah there was a
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there was so much feedback about this
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and this this is also one of those
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moments where even after what we've been
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doing this show together now what 10
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years I my ability to predict what
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people are going to comment on about in
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the show I feel like it's not even it's
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not even bad it's it's like my
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predictions are exactly opposites like
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if we if we just reversed with my
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predictions would be that would be the
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truth and I thought like oh the
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astronaut thing like oh no I was
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probably going to talk about that and
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then I was I was deeply
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concerned like out of mind that there's
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gonna be so much feedback about the 9/11
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memorial it's like there that 9/11
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memorial thumbs down I don't like it it
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stinks right and it's like feedback a
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couple of comments that agree and mostly
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silence silence right but astronauts
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have dressed up as a minion is like boom
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so much feedback so much feedback and I
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felt like you were kind of backed into a
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corner by a lot of that feedback I mean
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I feel like I brought it upon myself to
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a degree because I was quite flamboyant
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about it you know I was quite
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over-the-top in my criticism maybe that
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caused some of the pushback but also it
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was overwhelmingly people disagree with
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my position hmm they disagree that it
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was silly and wrong for them to dress up
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as spider-man and minions and that that
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I read I've read almost all of the
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feedback and I have to say having read
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all the feedback and absorbed it taken
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in what people had to say I'm pretty
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much unmoved
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from my position I still think I think
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all the people responding have maybe
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misunderstood that they've definitely
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have misunderstood some of my criticism
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because I certainly don't really blame
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the astronauts for it you know some
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people I felt like were going in to bat
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for the astronauts but I also think some
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of the feedback was maybe a little naive
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as to hell NASA works and life on the
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space station works and how tightly
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controlled the media operation is with
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anything necessarily 'td I think people
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had in their minds the idea that the
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astronauts were sitting around on the
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ISS drinking their morning coffee you
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know their day off on Halloween thinking
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about what to do and came up with the
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idea that they were going to do a fun
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thing and take a photograph of it and
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then then if you are complaining about
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them in their Halloween costumes it
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seems like you are the world's biggest
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Grinch but it's yes like hey these guys
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are on a break they should be allowed to
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just you know be themselves yes there
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was an enormous amount of shouldn't
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astronauts be allowed to have spare time
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ss and I think like this this really
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this really drives to the heart about
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what's occurring here like if you if you
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think this is a spontaneous outburst
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from the astronauts and they were just
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doing a thing because it was fun to them
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oh yeah no one in the world is going to
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have a problem with that but I think you
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know even even I who do not follow space
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very much know that like their time is
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incredibly regulated on there like they
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are so scheduled that my you know maybe
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I'm wrong but I'd be willing to bet my
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entire net worth that those things are
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scheduled zaniness right for PR purposes
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that that's what it is and and I think
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that that that's the the feedback that
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you were getting is the idea like if
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it's genuine than you you are like a
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monster but if it's scheduled zaniness
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like that's a very different that's a
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very different thing yeah if these
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people you know took this stuff up
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because they wanted to do something for
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their own kids or something mm-hmm okay
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if you want to go with that story you
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can go with it but like they're there in
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the they're there in the PR position all
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those like the group in front of the TV
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camera the sheduled downlink like this
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was not something that just happened and
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someone down at Mission Control said oh
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that's classic let's let's grab this for
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the cameras as well yeah like this was a
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no this wasn't what a magical Stefani's
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moment the other argument that really
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all the arguments people were making I
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didn't really agree with but you know
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you know it's a bit unfair I have the
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microphone so it's not fair that I just
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you know they have to have their say as
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well and I and I have read their say but
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this whole thing about our even
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astronauts need to relax and decompress
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and do fun things like of course that of
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course and astronauts have do have a lot
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of time off on the space station and
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their time off is very protected by the
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way like getting getting you know
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getting someone to do work on the space
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station during their break is a is a big
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deal they do have a lot of their own
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time and films and things to do and and
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the other thing that again was driving
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me a bit crazy was this whole inspiring
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kids like I don't think that's the way
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to inspire kids to become an astronaut
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and if it effect
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is the way to inspire kids to become an
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astronaut I'm a bit worried about the
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sort of people who want to become
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astronauts oh my god like like people
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are saying are some kid dressed as
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spider-man we'll take a lot of
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inspiration from seeing an astronaut
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dressed up as spider-man that was crap
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kids dress up as astronauts that's what
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kids dressing up spider-man so anyway
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anyway look I don't want to like dredge
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it all up again I've read all the
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feedback and like I get that people
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disagree and I'm yet to read something
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that has made me change my mind I think
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I have dealt with astronauts and
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International Space Station things
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before and they are very tightly
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controlled all the photos and the videos
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that come down anything that's publicly
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released has layers upon layers of
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bureaucracy involved and if you think
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this was just a bunch of cheeky
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astronauts doing something for fun and
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then saying look what we did know when
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you what we were up to maybe you're
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right I don't know I don't know the
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actual details of this case but I would
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be very very surprised by that there is
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an item in our show notes which I think
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is maybe one of the oldest things in our
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show notes that I know I listed in one
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of them for like their first 10 episodes
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which was this this very idea of like
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inspiring someone to become an astronaut
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and like I just will never actually
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really do it as a full topic so I'll
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just mention it now but like I find that
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stuff raising making because it we you
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know my feeling is always like guess
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what hard things are hard you want to
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become an astronaut it's hard like this
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is one of the hardest career paths you
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could go down and I remember there's
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like so much in in the sciences of this
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this idea of like we want to encourage
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more people to do physics and it's like
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what's your plan how do you want to make
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more people do physics right because
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physics graduates are super valuable and
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the answer was always the same thing the
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answer was oh well we're going to
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inspire more people to go into physics
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by dumbing down the physics right by
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doing all kinds of demos and flashy
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stuff that has nothing to do with what
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actual physics is
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and okay if this even works it's just a
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it's just a trick right like the you you
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are hood winking someone into a career
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in which they're totally gonna fail or
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do poorly because like guess what
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physics is actually a whole bunch bunch
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of math and I like I feel so strongly
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about it because like the whole reason
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god like here's a subject that is just
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hard but it's also clear and crisp and
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there's no ambiguity and there's no
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nonsense and so I always worry that this
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kind of stuff actually pushes away the
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kinds of people that you want to go into
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those fields and and anybody that it
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encourages it's not actually helpful
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like I totally agree with you like if
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some kid sees an astronaut dressed up as
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spider-man and decides that he's going
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to become an astronaut based on that
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like that kids not gonna be an astronaut
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it's not gonna happen no they're
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probably not cut from the right cloth
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yeah I mean III could I can see a
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counter-argument I can see a
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counter-argument that maybe there will
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be a bunch of people who will be reached
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by this photo that had never considered
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aerospace before and this is the this
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was the tiny little spark that lit the
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fire when they looked into it further
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they found other things that were more
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legitimate about aerospace that appealed
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to them so I think there is a an
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alternative argument but the thing is
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astronaut is a job that hasn't even got
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that problem because the best renautas
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like go and go in massive fiery rockets
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in there in this extreme environment
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everything about the astronaut job is
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quite kind of you know sexy anyway it's
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not like it's not like a job where
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there's like a paucity of applicants
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yeah I'm willing to bet there are way
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more people applying to at at school
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then astronaut school let's in it's
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really really hard to become an
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astronaut because everybody wants to do
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it so they don't they have no PR problem
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here right and also and so you know do
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you think people want to become
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basketballs because they once saw
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Michael Jordan dress up as spider-man no
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they saw him playing
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basket ball and thought well playing
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basketball looks awesome I want to be a
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basketball er it's the same for the
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astronauts just being astronauts is cool
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enough but there is this weird idea like
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oh we're gonna get people go do a thing
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by showing them the thing in a way that
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it isn't it's like that's the terrible
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idea but yeah the astronauts cool wing
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oversubscribed I think they're turning a
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lot of people away at the gate or like
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I'm sorry we can't let you interact not
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school because so many people who are
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applying go like guess what we need to
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take the best of the best like you need
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to be super smart and an incredible
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physical condition in order to get into
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astronaut school it's a fright stuff
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psycho up hello Internet is there a
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career that you want to inspire kids to
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go into well the best way you're going
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to reach the kids these days or anybody
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is by building a website and as you know
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there's only one place you want to go to
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Squarespace think it dream it make it
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last episode I asked feedback on whether
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or not normal
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photography settings can trigger an
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epileptic seizure and I'm here to report
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that the feedback I received was exactly
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zero items of feedback right nothing
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I heard absolutely nothing and what are
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you saying he's saying people with
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epilepsy are not interactive yes Brady
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that's the correct no whatever are lazy
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you are lazy people with epilepsy you
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should be on the reddit helping us out
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on a podcast if you ask her feedback and
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and you know the audience is hello in
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chat audience like you're gonna get a
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lot of feedback I think there is
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probably nothing that people would love
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to talk about more than their own
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medical problems like so you're asking
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for medical problem feedback it's like
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BAM people love that conversation right
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like let me tell you all about all my
00:29:52
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medical problems right they're like oh
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my god I have a cousin with his exact
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medical problem so my feeling that like
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I heard nothing just just yeah
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tumbleweeds on an infinite Oasis it was
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it was nothing it just 100% confirmed to
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me that this is one of these many fake
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safety things right that someone has the
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idea that this can occur this is the
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camera flashes this is the camera single
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camera flashes causing a problem during
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school photos yeah that this this idea
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is written down because someone just
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thinks it's a possibility and then it
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it's like an idea that spreads and
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metastasizes across a whole variety of
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industries because nobody wants to be
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the person who contradicts the idea that
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like a camera flash can cause an
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epileptic seizure
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so maybe I'm wrong maybe this week will
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be the actual feedback but I'm I'm
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guessing not I'm guessing not on that
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one fake safety and by the way all the
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people who have admonished gray and I
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for causing a problem in their
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productivity and workflow because we
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you will get no apology from us because
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we could not have warned you anymore
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that that game would take a lot of your
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time but my goodness a lot of people
00:31:07
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seem to have gotten into that oh my god
00:31:09
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I have to say I did really enjoy that
00:31:11
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because because I feel like this has
00:31:14
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happened enough in my own life I'm
00:31:15
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minding my own business and then
00:31:17
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something blows a tremendous
00:31:19
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productivity hole right through the
00:31:21
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center of my life I like I think
00:31:23
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everybody knows this experience and I
00:31:25
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did get some some unreasonable amount of
00:31:28
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joy from seeing all the people replying
00:31:29
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on Twitter saying like I know that you
00:31:31
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warned me but nonetheless I had no idea
00:31:34
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right it's like I've lost two days so I
00:31:37
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feel like we were 100% in the clear on
00:31:39
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that because yes we could we could not
00:31:41
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have warned more clearly but people
00:31:43
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still click the button and many of them
00:31:45
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click the button in situations that they
00:31:47
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totally knew they should have clicked it
00:31:49
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but there you go
00:31:50
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so universal paper clips it is spreading
00:31:55
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replicating throughout the world I had a
00:31:57
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nice little bit of feedback because the
00:31:59
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person who made the game he this is
00:32:02
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Frank lat Frank Lance and he tweeted to
00:32:06
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the soon after the podcast came out I
00:32:08
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can't believe I got the numberphile guy
00:32:10
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I'm so happy
00:32:11
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oh that's great that's great so he feels
00:32:16
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like he's fishing in the world as well
00:32:18
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right he was like who else didn't I
00:32:19
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catch in my book I told him that he was
00:32:23
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responsible for probably preventing the
00:32:25
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release of possibly two numberphile
00:32:27
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videos as a result of making that game
00:32:29
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yeah that's good Oh actually you know
00:32:32
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what there is something that was really
00:32:33
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grinding my gears over the feedback on
00:32:35
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this but I just want to mention before I
00:32:36
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forget and it was this okay so listeners
00:32:41
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I need to explain something about
00:32:42
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podcasts and conversations to you right
00:32:44
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now just just because a thing is not
00:32:49
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explicitly mentioned does not mean that
00:32:52
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Brady and I do not know about the thing
00:32:54
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and I I saw so many comments from people
00:32:58
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who were saying a variation of I can't
00:33:01
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believe that gray doesn't know about cow
00:33:04
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clicker games or Idol games like I can't
00:33:06
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believe he's never come across one of
00:33:09
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these things before that is outrageous
00:33:11
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and shocking to me that he's never seen
00:33:13
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in this genre before how ridiculous and
00:33:16
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they're like showing me a bunch of these
00:33:17
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different things I feel like like when
00:33:19
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we were having that conversation I was
00:33:21
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making reference to these other like
00:33:24
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game mechanics that are quite cheap
00:33:26
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that's like guys that start was
00:33:28
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referring to or even even if I didn't
00:33:30
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say that is that it's like yes it would
00:33:31
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be quite shocking if someone who likes
00:33:33
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games a lot had never come across one of
00:33:34
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these games but like the amount of
00:33:36
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feedback I don't know this just there's
00:33:37
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something about this that drives me
00:33:39
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crazy you know better than this by now
00:33:42
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I need internet exists for people to try
00:33:45
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to say they know something that someone
00:33:46
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else does I know I know
00:33:48
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but I'll just as I'm saying it out loud
00:33:50
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I'm just realizing I have to reek at
00:33:53
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agura's this in my mind as the that you
00:33:56
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forgot to mention feedback on videos
00:33:59
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right which also drives me crazy or it's
00:34:01
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like yeah yeah I started with 20,000
00:34:03
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words and I went down to a thousand
00:34:04
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words like you trust me I didn't forget
00:34:06
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to mention a thing like the most obvious
00:34:07
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thing so the only thing that would have
00:34:09
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been more annoying is if someone said oh
00:34:10
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this is stupid podcast X talked about
00:34:13
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this game three weeks ago someone else
00:34:18
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has already spoken about this therefore
00:34:20
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it is forbidden to speak about it ever
00:34:22
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yeah yeah that would be another kind of
00:34:24
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feedback so I just I just want to
00:34:27
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mention right now like I have played a
00:34:28
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lot of these kind of games and I don't
00:34:30
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like all of them if if you listen to
00:34:33
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that section about Universal paperclips
00:34:35
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and you were thinking oh this is just
00:34:37
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another one of these clicker type games
00:34:39
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I just want to make it really clear this
00:34:41
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game validates the existence of the
00:34:45
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entire genre which i think is mostly
00:34:48
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boring and a kind of a kind of
00:34:53
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psychological unfun this trap but like
00:34:56
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this game is different so if you heard
00:34:58
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that and you didn't didn't try it
00:35:00
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because you know what kind of game were
00:35:02
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talking about try it anyway like I
00:35:05
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really really think this is this is the
00:35:08
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diamond in the rough before this genre
00:35:10
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can I plug something of mine what would
00:35:12
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you like to plug Grady I want to plug
00:35:14
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►
one of my oldest youtube channels which
00:35:17
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is periodic videos which is my chemistry
00:35:20
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youtube channel mmm and I want to plug
00:35:22
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►
it for a very specific reason and that
00:35:23
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►
is Professor Sir Martin Polyakov
00:35:27
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who is the star of most of the videos
00:35:29
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he's the professor with the big fuzzy
00:35:32
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gray hair I've been working with him for
00:35:34
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many many years he's a dear friend he's
00:35:37
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also he's also responsible for a lot of
00:35:40
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my other subsequent work like he's been
00:35:43
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a key plank in a lot of my channels
00:35:45
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getting to where they've gotten so he's
00:35:46
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been a very important part of my youtube
00:35:48
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►
career he is turning 70 years old in the
00:35:54
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next week or two as we are recording now
00:35:56
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I think let me check his birthday yeah
00:35:59
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16th of December 16th of December on the
00:36:02
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16th of December he is turning 70 this
00:36:06
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is in the in the year 2017 if you're
00:36:09
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listening in the far future so and like
00:36:13
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you know I don't we don't get each other
00:36:15
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►
birthday presents or anything but if
00:36:16
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there's one thing that sir Martin is
00:36:19
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truly obsessed with it is periodic
00:36:23
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►
videos youtube channel statistics hey
00:36:26
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►
like he follows them much more than a
00:36:28
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►
distinguished professor with
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responsibility and anytime we reach any
00:36:34
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milestone or are about to reach any
00:36:36
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►
milestone or anything happens across
00:36:38
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numerous videos he'll be like well this
00:36:40
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video we made two years ago just passed
00:36:42
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a million views and LU like he's he's
00:36:45
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watching it day and night he's got his
00:36:46
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eye on the ball he's got his eye on the
00:36:48
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►
bowl and almost exactly on his 70th
00:36:53
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►
birthday periodic videos the channel is
00:36:55
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due to hit you know probably the
00:36:57
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milestone of milestones that our YouTube
00:36:59
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channel hits and that is 1 million
00:37:02
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subscribers yeah that's the big one
00:37:04
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that's a big one that's that's the one
00:37:07
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that people make a song and dance about
00:37:08
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and they give you a gold button etc yeah
00:37:09
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I think that I think the million
00:37:11
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subscribers is a bigger deal than the 10
00:37:13
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million subscribers buy a lot like that
00:37:15
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that is the biggest milestone that a
00:37:17
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channel can cross yeah
00:37:19
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martin is excited about this upcoming
00:37:23
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thing and he has noted that it could
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have happened on his birthday although
00:37:28
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looking at sort of some of the
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projections and the statistics our our
00:37:32
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projected million subscriber number has
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now drifted out slightly to slightly
00:37:36
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beyond his birthday
00:37:38
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where my plea to the hello internet
00:37:39
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listeners this comes in if you have a
00:37:42
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YouTube account and your YouTube person
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and you haven't subscribed to periodic
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videos but you think maybe you would or
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you've never looked at it and it might
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interest you now would be a really nice
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time for you to do it for me because I
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would love to skate close to a million
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in time for his birthday I think maybe
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we won't quite do it but I I would like
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to try and this is my play I'm not
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asking you to subscribe to the channel
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if like you're aware of it and dislike
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it and what nothing to do with fair
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enough there's not much I can say that
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but if you've never looked at her or you
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or you'd like it but you just never got
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around to subscribing to it and you you
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are ever likely to now is a good time to
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do it because I'd like to get close for
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Sir Martin's birthday because he's he's
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he means a lot to me yeah and I think
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this is this is a good time to dimension
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the the channel to try to hit this mark
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because if you listen back at at earlier
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shows you can hear me sometimes
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speculate about who on earth would be
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listening to this podcast who doesn't
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know our YouTube channels I am aware
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that that over time that ratio has
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drifted that we do have more and more
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listeners who have come across the
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podcast and really don't know very much
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about our YouTube careers in any way so
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if you are also one of those listeners
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now who back in the early days I suspect
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it couldn't possibly exist but now I do
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know exists in serious numbers this is
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an excellent time to go check out
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periodic videos and go subscribe right
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and and take a look at take a look at
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that channel if you are one of those
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listeners who knows the podcast and
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doesn't follow our YouTube channels go
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go subscribe to periodic videos go check
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it out go to go take a look at it it's a
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it's a it's a channel that's going
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through a bit of a change at the moment
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to for me it's it's something that I've
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been starting to think differently about
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this particular channel it's one of my
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oldest and it's funny and I know you've
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been going through a little bit of this
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too maybe with your channel but when you
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do a youtube channel for a long time you
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occasionally go through I don't know
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it's like the YouTube equivalent of like
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a midlife crisis and you start and you
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start thinking where am I going what am
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i doing what's the point of this and a
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lot of my channels have sort of been
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continuing business as usual but
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periodic videos as one
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really revisiting in my head at the
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moment so it's an interesting time to be
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subscribing maybe okay so well how how
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old is periodic videos oh man
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I'll scared you'd ask that it looks like
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it started in June 2008 oh my god
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yeah okay in YouTube land that that's
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more than it's more than just a midlife
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crisis that's that's a pretty what you
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think I'm on death's door that's a WoW
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Wow I had I had no idea it was that old
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yeah that's very old okay right okay I'm
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sorry oh sorry let me rephrase that but
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you you are an established presence on
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YouTube that's that's for sure Brady you
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are you are very established with pure
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yo air would a statesman you are in the
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elder statesman career transition of
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your channel what are you thinking of
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well the thing is the way period video
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started was making a video about every
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element on the periodic table right and
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that we did 118 really really quickly
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mm-hmm for various reasons like like I'm
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talking like six or seven weeks fast
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like so we we did a lot of videos really
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quickly on all the elements and a lot of
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them for that reason were kind of you
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know rushed and half-baked and some of
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them are just like you know 20 30
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seconds and not much is said and and
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then once the channel sort of became a
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little bit successful more than we
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expected we thought okay well I guess
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we'll keep this channel going now and
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let's redo all the elements so that was
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the plan we're gonna redo each element
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video and make them more elaborate more
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detail and more experiments to make them
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you know more of a thing to watch hmm
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but then as the channel kind of evolved
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and it became like a general chemistry
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channel not just about the elements we
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started doing other stuff and we started
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kind of you know drinking the the the
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addictive potion of the occasional viral
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video doing silly things and and and you
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know having travels and adventures and
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making all these chemistry videos and we
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could have only updated elements very
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occasionally mm-hmm and those videos
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have just kind of you know wallowed in
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history I mean they're they're really
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old now they're nearly 10 years old but
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away a lot of people visit the channel
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is to watch the element video isn't
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stuck going through the elements mhm and
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I've now realized that's bit
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embarrassing because it's like oh gosh
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some of these videos are really old they
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really low resolution there no any of
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the quality of the videos we'd make now
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so I've kind of really got it in my head
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no we need to abandon all this other
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frivolous stuff and get back to basics
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and redo all the element videos and I
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want almost all of our releases now to
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be you know a redux of an element video
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so that's what we've done the last few
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and that's what we're recording at the
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moment and these days when Sir Martin
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calls me up and says oh I've got a crazy
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idea for some experiment or some
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chemistry thing we're doing nine times
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out of ten I'm saying to him no no we
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are redoing the elements we're totally
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focusing on that and even though these
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videos will never be viral in the way
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that dipping a cheeseburger and acid or
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loving something up is likely to give
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you the occasional viral video I've kind
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of said I'm not interested in that
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anymore I'm more interested in the
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legacy of these hundred and eighteen
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element videos and at the moment you
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know some of them are just too outdated
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so that's where that's where I want to
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take the channel now and I think Martin
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and other people in the chemistry
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department at the University of
00:43:18
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Nottingham are kind of on board with me
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on that so that's the new direction less
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less look at me like fun fun time things
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and more back to where we started so you
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are you are d viraling the channel yeah
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in a way yeah it's like yeah I'm I'm
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less worried about I'm less worried
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about sort of you count and hitting
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hitting new people by being
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attention-seeking hmm you know there
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will be there'll be no more dressing up
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at Halloween this is kind of what I'm
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wondering right is it actually ties
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quite nicely into the previous
00:43:54
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conversation yeah you're not you're not
00:43:56
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pulling these these stunts for the for
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the chemistry PR department right yeah
00:44:00
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you're doing you're doing some meat and
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potatoes periodic video we revisiting
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and look it looks like at the time of
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recording you've done four of these
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these new ones so far
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helium francium technician and nickel
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yeah they're the most they're the most
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recent ones and I've got chromium coming
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up pretty shortly as well
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yeah I mean I we have been updating
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element of element videos all through
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the project so occasionally we do drop
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an element update but now that's what
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all I want us to do hmm
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so that eventually when people say whom
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I'm gonna sit back on what Shaw 118
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right all of them are gonna be good
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right at the moment some of them are
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good and people will say oh I can't
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believe your video on element X is like
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you know that's nowhere near as good as
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your other ones that's what I want to
00:44:41
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fix yeah well I'm looking a looking at
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your channel and the oldest one that's
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listed as an element video is Cobalts
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from from nine years ago and in dramatic
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480p resolution and what I really like
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is it's not even a full 480p because it
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looks like you hard exported the black
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bars around the video so it's actually
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in the it's in the center of the screen
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it's not taking up the full YouTube
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player so yeah I didn't I didn't do that
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though respectively like when you first
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watch that back in the day that would
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have taken up the whole screen but
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something changed at some point and a
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whole bunch of my videos suddenly got
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black bars all around them they're
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really old ones and you know that's only
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a minute forty long and me three hundred
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thousand people have watched it which
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I'm a bit embarrassed by now because
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people love going through and watching
00:45:30
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the whole collection and that's what I
00:45:31
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want to change when people go through
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and watch the whole collection hmm
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because the thing I guess I haven't
00:45:36
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pointed out is periodic videos also has
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its own website which is an entire
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periodic table and you can click on any
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given element and watch the video on
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that element from YouTube so it's kind
00:45:46
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of like a you know picking chocolates
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from a chocolate box right so it is it
00:45:50
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is a kind of snacking channel in that
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way where people like to like get on a
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streak and go through the elements and
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that's where we get found out by the old
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videos of it so aren't you afraid though
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that if you if you diva roll the channel
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that you will fall on the on the bad
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side of the algorithm mm-hmm I had been
00:46:05
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thinking about that but I don't know I
00:46:07
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think I think I think of this channel
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I don't think of this channel as like a
00:46:12
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business enterprise like that hmm so I
00:46:16
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don't worry about that I think I think
00:46:19
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this channel always has a different role
00:46:20
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to play do you think I'm doing the right
00:46:22
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thing well I don't know I here's the
00:46:26
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thing Brady you you have what makes you
00:46:30
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different Brady and what makes
00:46:31
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special is you are a man with many
00:46:34
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YouTube channels so I think you unlike
00:46:38
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many other people who would be in the
00:46:40
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YouTube space this like this is this is
00:46:42
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part of a periodic videos is like part
00:46:45
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of a Brady portfolio of channels and so
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I think you would have less to worry
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about if you were going to de vie roll a
00:46:55
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channel and and get sort of go back to
00:46:58
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basics go back to the beginning and and
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redo a bunch of stuff I don't think it's
00:47:04
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but but I feel more I feel more
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comfortable saying that because you have
00:47:10
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a bunch of other channels right and
00:47:12
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there but also the thing to bear in mind
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with periodic videos is it does have
00:47:16
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like nearly a million subscribers so and
00:47:19
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although I'd never realized a lot of
00:47:21
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them and not active mmm and I also
00:47:23
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realize that subscribers don't
00:47:24
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necessarily mean everyone finds out
00:47:26
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about your videos I do feel like the
00:47:28
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channels big enough that it can that it
00:47:32
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can give people just you know kind of
00:47:33
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what they signed up for and I don't have
00:47:35
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to worry about pandering to people who
00:47:38
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aren't interested like I feel a bit like
00:47:40
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I want to service the actual audience
00:47:43
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and not not be preoccupied with new
00:47:45
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audience so I'm saying some ways I'm
00:47:48
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happy just as I'm happy just to feed the
00:47:51
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existing audience and hope that new
00:47:52
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audience comes on just gradually who
00:47:54
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appreciate it for what it is and not for
00:47:57
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you know crazy occasional craziness so
00:48:02
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okay I got to say that the new videos
00:48:04
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aren't gonna like have awesome
00:48:05
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explosions they're just not going to be
00:48:08
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they're just not going to be dressed up
00:48:09
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in that way they're gonna be more you
00:48:12
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know here's the elements brain it'll be
00:48:13
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cool stuff in the video the whole idea
00:48:15
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is that the video is that all the videos
00:48:17
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are cornea right right but it's not
00:48:18
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gonna be like you know as gimmicky well
00:48:23
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okay here's questions you you were doing
00:48:27
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explicit remakes of your old videos
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right now and I understand like is a
00:48:33
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very different very different thing from
00:48:35
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the way they were produced in the
00:48:36
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beginning to the way that they're done
00:48:37
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now alright and this is like a long
00:48:39
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period of time and there are many
00:48:40
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factors here I almost don't want to say
00:48:42
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it I almost don't want to put the idea
00:48:43
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in your mind but do you have any
00:48:45
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worries that that there's some kind of
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magic to the earlier videos like that
00:48:52
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even though to your eye they seem like
00:48:55
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you as the Creator you can just see like
00:48:58
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oh this is older and and it's shorter
00:49:01
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like but do you think maybe that part of
00:49:03
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the reason that the channel is
00:49:04
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successful is because those earlier
00:49:06
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videos were produced the way they were
00:49:08
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and and and people like them and do you
00:49:11
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worry basically about replacing the old
00:49:13
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ones with the new ones that maybe it's
00:49:16
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not quite the same I mean we're not
00:49:18
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taking down the old ones obviously
00:49:19
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undulating them there there is like
00:49:21
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version one hmm
00:49:22
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and when you say remake it's not like
00:49:24
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I'm doing like experiments that we did
00:49:26
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before we should be shooting them in
00:49:27
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most of the case we're replacing 45
00:49:30
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seconds of the guide talking it is desk
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with ten minutes of experiments and
00:49:34
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samples and better stories and no
00:49:36
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creation okay so it's not so the reap so
00:49:39
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calling like a remake it's not like a
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shot-for-shot remake of psycho or
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something like that it is more of a
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exactly what I had in my mind is like a
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shot-for-shot remake of psycho right
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it's like oh god it just doesn't work
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it's terribly poor yes it's not we're
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not doing that they are they are
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brand-new videos with all new stuff and
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new information but I think the charm of
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the old videos you know they were of
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their time and like you and they feel
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like they're off their time now people
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expect different things from YouTube
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videos now different production
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qualities different pacing different
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stuff in the videos and you know we
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became successful because no one else
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was doing it you know no one else was
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doing something as crazy as making a
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video about every single element but
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people expect different things now so
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I'm not I'm not worried about that I
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think the things that make the channel
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what it is are still there like a
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chattiness and the professor and seeing
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real stuff happening in real labs and
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real scientists talking and Martin's
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personality and and a kind of a homemade
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feel to them which I'm still keeping you
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know it's not like I'm suddenly putting
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everything on tripods and making like a
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whole new look yes yeah trying to make
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them better yeah actually
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it's I think that's a good point that
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you make there because I
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I often I often find that some stuff
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that I I watch like when when the
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upgrades like the new studio and it and
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it becomes more professional it somehow
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feels like oh it's not quite the same
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right is it and yes it's it's good to
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hear that you're you're you're keeping
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that particular no it's still supposed
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to be unprofessional you know when
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things go wrong it stays in the video
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and you know those human moments are
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staying in it's just it's more about
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just making putting more in the videos
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and taking more time on the movie
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because we're in such a rush the first
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time and and now we're not in a rush
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well if you're making them longer and
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then and the rumor is about the
00:51:39
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algorithm are true then maybe this is
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this is the best move you could possibly
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make right thank you the YouTube
00:51:44
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algorithm apparently loves long videos
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and keeping people on the on the site as
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long as possible
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so a hundred and eighteen fifteen to
00:51:52
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twenty minute long videos that's a
00:51:53
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that's a pretty pretty big chunk of
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people's time and attention that YouTube
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could could could get from them people
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oh I say that but long videos are any
00:52:01
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good at keeping people on the channel of
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people watch the long video yeah I know
00:52:06
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and I'm not I'm not very I'm not super
00:52:09
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convinced by that theory anyway
00:52:11
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is the CGP grey channel going through a
00:52:13
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midlife crisis yeah or you know it's an
00:52:15
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interesting thing because this summer I
00:52:19
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realized that YouTube is now the longest
00:52:24
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job I've ever had which was which is
00:52:27
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just a strange realization for me that's
00:52:31
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just happen to maintain oh yeah yeah huh
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how do you how do you feel about that
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strange no yeah my mental framework just
00:52:41
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does not match this I think it's partly
00:52:45
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because it felt like I was a teacher for
00:52:46
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forever that is a big mental landscape
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that that it's hard for me to feel like
00:52:54
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the YouTube time is now longer than that
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and it's also interesting even just
00:53:02
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thing like you know I mean a joke before
00:53:03
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about how long we've done this podcast
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but like we've been doing this podcast
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for quite a long time and I there's
00:53:08
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something that my brain just cannot
00:53:09
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place in these things where I still
00:53:13
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YouTube as the new projects right and
00:53:17
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and then hello internet as like oh the
00:53:20
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new new project I was like but actually
00:53:22
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they've been going on for quite a while
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now and I just there's I wonder I almost
00:53:28
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wonder if in you know doublet so I've
00:53:32
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been doing the YouTube channel seriously
00:53:34
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for about six years now and I almost
00:53:37
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wonder like if I double that number will
00:53:40
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it still feel the same will it still
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feel like that this is still the the new
00:53:44
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thing it doesn't feel like you
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understand type thing yeah like it the
00:53:47
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upstart type thing even though that is
00:53:49
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manifestly not true I don't know there's
00:53:52
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something about it that I just can't I
00:53:54
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just can't place correctly in my brain
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so I have a hard time thinking about it
00:54:00
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but when I realized it I found it really
00:54:03
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quite shocking and surprising to realize
00:54:05
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that that YouTube is now the longest job
00:54:08
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I have ever had
00:54:10
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do you think that surprise and feeling
00:54:12
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is likely to result in anything or will
00:54:13
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manifest itself in any way or it's just
00:54:15
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like a hmm okay back on with it what
00:54:18
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does that make you start thinking
00:54:19
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differently and think should I be doing
00:54:21
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this differently do I need to change
00:54:23
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things up or or do you just is it just
00:54:25
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like a little I think I have a different
00:54:28
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view of it because I don't know the way
00:54:31
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people describe my channel I feel like I
00:54:32
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have never I have never heard someone
00:54:34
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describe my YouTube channel in a way
00:54:36
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that I would agree with people say that
00:54:39
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it's a channel about history and I'd be
00:54:40
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like I don't even understand what do you
00:54:41
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mean by this er various ways that people
00:54:43
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have described what my youtube channel
00:54:44
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is like I just I've never come across
00:54:46
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the description that I actually feel
00:54:48
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like matches up with the way it is in my
00:54:50
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head and I can't really quite articulate
00:54:52
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the way it is in my head but I also feel
00:54:55
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like that the channel has naturally
00:54:59
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changed over time anyway like I forget
00:55:03
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what it is but it takes a long time
00:55:05
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before even the concept of stick figure
00:55:08
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me shows up in a video like that's
00:55:11
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suddenly a shift like that doing that
00:55:14
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kind of thing has a change in the way
00:55:16
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like oh I'm talking directly to the
00:55:18
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audience now instead of this being like
00:55:21
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a literal slide show like it would be in
00:55:24
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a classroom so like that's
00:55:26
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that's just easy to point to but I feel
00:55:29
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like there's been a lot of little
00:55:30
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changes in evolutions over time but I
00:55:35
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don't know it's a it's a funny thing
00:55:37
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because in my head I feel like it's sort
00:55:39
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of it's sort of always changing and is
00:55:41
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always the same and I think that that's
00:55:44
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always the way it will be to any if the
00:55:46
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changes that happen on your channel they
00:55:48
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for example the introduction of stick
00:55:50
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figure growing are they ever like lines
00:55:54
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in the sand like will you deliberately
00:55:56
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say okay it's time for something new I'm
00:55:58
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going to introduce a stick figure
00:55:59
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version of me because I want to change
00:56:00
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the emphasis to me talking out at the
00:56:02
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viewers rather than us looking together
00:56:04
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at a slide show or do they happen just
00:56:07
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kind of accidentally and you do it once
00:56:09
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and think well that kind of worked I
00:56:11
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might try that again sometime and then
00:56:12
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after like 10 videos you're like oh well
00:56:15
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I guess that's the thing now yeah like
00:56:16
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are they because you seem like a guy who
00:56:18
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makes a lot of strategic deliberate
00:56:20
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decisions rather than just falls into
00:56:22
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things the stick figure me I remember
00:56:26
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what the video was but I do remember
00:56:28
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that that was trying to solve a
00:56:30
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particular problem in the way I was
00:56:32
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explaining something and also it was in
00:56:34
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in no small part a kind of envy of a lot
00:56:38
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of what other educational youtubers in
00:56:41
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the space can do where they like they
00:56:43
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can show you animations and interesting
00:56:45
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graphics to help an explanation and then
00:56:48
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they can just cut to them talking either
00:56:52
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when a visual is not needed or if it's a
00:56:56
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moment where it's a little bit abstract
00:56:58
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and what you would put on screen
00:57:00
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wouldn't necessarily line up with
00:57:01
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anything that you're talking about I I
00:57:03
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remember being quite envious of the
00:57:06
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ability to do that cut to camera thing
00:57:09
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so that the stick introducing stick
00:57:11
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figure gray was was partly the ability
00:57:13
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to do that like oh I can cut to camera
00:57:15
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now and it's just me talking I would say
00:57:17
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the biggest the biggest line in the sand
00:57:21
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thing that I did do very intentionally
00:57:23
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was actually that las vegas vlog that i
00:57:27
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uploaded a little while ago that was
00:57:30
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very much a deliberate feeling of i want
00:57:35
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to put up something on the channel that
00:57:37
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is really different right that it's not
00:57:40
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oh I've done a serious video where gray
00:57:43
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is talking in serious tones and that's
00:57:45
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different from all of the others or a
00:57:47
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video like the trouble with transporters
00:57:49
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which has a different animation style
00:57:50
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but all of those are still kind of the
00:57:52
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same like they're in the same family of
00:57:56
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the videos that I do but the vlog is
00:57:58
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like a totally different thing and is
00:58:00
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also completely unexpected right if
00:58:01
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you've been following the history of the
00:58:03
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channel like it's it's weird to upload a
00:58:05
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vlog I did that partly just because I
00:58:08
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wanted to establish a precedent of I can
00:58:12
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upload random things if I want to so
00:58:15
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that was a deliberate sort of thing it
00:58:17
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was also just interesting to see like
00:58:18
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how are people going to react to when I
00:58:20
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do something differently but I think
00:58:22
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maybe that's the closest one to that so
00:58:23
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that the line in the sand
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otherwise it's things just evolve over
00:58:29
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time I don't think anything in the
00:58:31
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entertainment industry can stay the same
00:58:35
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like I think stuff has to change you
00:58:39
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know even like you're you're redoing
00:58:40
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your videos right but you're you're
00:58:42
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changing the way they are because you
00:58:45
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like you want them to be updated for
00:58:47
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modern audience sensibilities and I
00:58:51
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think you also just have to change
00:58:52
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because the environment around you
00:58:54
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changes so when you look at a change to
00:58:57
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your channel for example the saying hey
00:59:00
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vlogs are a thing now too you know don't
00:59:03
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don't you do you think that's you being
00:59:05
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like super rational business gray saying
00:59:09
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you know to survive going forward and
00:59:11
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for the channel to grow and sustain I
00:59:13
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need to change and adapt or is it more
00:59:15
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an artistic thing like you know I want
00:59:18
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to spread my wings and not just be a guy
00:59:19
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who has to do animations and explaining
00:59:21
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and I don't want all I don't want to be
00:59:23
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constrained by your expectations of the
00:59:25
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channel is this a business rational
00:59:28
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decision you've made or is that an
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artistic decision I guess is what I'm
00:59:31
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saying I would say it's neither it's
00:59:32
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actually just a personal decision that I
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I feel like as people who follow my work
00:59:39
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may know I'm not a big fan of regularity
00:59:42
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and things always being the same and
00:59:44
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predictable and that vlog went up in no
00:59:48
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small part because I did feel like there
00:59:51
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was there had been too much
00:59:53
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predictability for too
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long on the channel and so I wanted to
00:59:55
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do a thing that was just totally out of
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left field I wish I could say oh wow was
01:00:00
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incredibly smart business decision but
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but it was by far and away like the
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worst business decision I ever made for
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the channel in terms of every metric I
01:00:09
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can possibly have putting up that vlog
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video was the worst thing I could do on
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every one of my spreadsheets it was
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really just something personally that I
01:00:19
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wanted to do just to just to have
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something up there that was different
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and established the possibility that
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like oh this can happen again in the
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future but as someone who seems to care
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so a little about what other people
01:00:31
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think why do you need to do that unless
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it's something you want to make you want
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to do like why do you why do you need to
01:00:38
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even put down that marker like but it's
01:00:41
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because it is something that I want to
01:00:42
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do right again it's alright you answer
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my question and it's like an artistic
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thing yeah I guess if you want to phrase
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it that way you could say it I don't
01:00:48
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mean like you're an artist but yeah yeah
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in an editorial decision rather than a
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business decision maybe yeah an
01:00:55
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editorial decision might be a better way
01:00:56
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to put it because I think it's it's
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partly there is something about the this
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idea turned out to be totally wrong but
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I'll to specify what my thinking was at
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the time there is something limiting
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about the animation because it's so time
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intensive that it forced all's certain
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kinds of videos from being able to be
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made because you have to just have to
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say like if a video is going to be made
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like there's going to need to be an
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enormous amount of animation time and so
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my thinking was I'm gonna do a video
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that's a different kind of thing that
01:01:35
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can also possibly have a much shorter
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turnaround time because I don't need to
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animate every frame I'm just going to
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film stuff now that sounds like a
01:01:45
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business decision
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no but it's I know why you say it's a
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business decision but it's it's more a
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question of like I want to make a
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certain kind of video and up until this
01:01:53
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point the answer is okay well whatever
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you're going to make it has to be an
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animation and then that cuts off a huge
01:01:59
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number of possibilities yeah so I can
01:02:03
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see why you're saying it sounds like a
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business decision but it's much more a
01:02:05
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personal decision of I want to do a
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thing that maybe doesn't require all the
01:02:11
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animation and let me know it's Matt yeah
01:02:13
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you want to make Michelangelo's David
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but you've all only ever done oil
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painting so now you've said no I'm gonna
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try Scott yes instead they're deeming
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quite high but yes the 30 an amazing
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sculptor now but anyway joke was on me
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that vlog took up way more time than
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classifying it as an editorial decision
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is a is a correct way to frame it
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about the flag flag like smashing on the
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floor I wouldn't want flag a flag to
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smash on the floor I wouldn't want that
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great from following you on Twitter and
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from following almost everyone on the
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world on Twitter not that I follow are
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you one of those are you one of those
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500,000 people that get follow back
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Brady is that what you're doing
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pandering to Twitter that way I haven't
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I haven't got to that stage so one thing
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that causes endless frustration I know
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it causes you frustration is package
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deliveries from delivery companies and
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I've seen I've seen even the normally
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calm CGP grey who was reluctant to wield
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his mighty power against corporations
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get particularly upset at a delivery
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company recently when they were
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they were doing what they do to me all
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the time and that is don't even ring
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your doorbell or knock on your door and
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just drop the package and run or worse
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yet put a card through saying you
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weren't here and run which I absolutely
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hate the card through the door that was
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those a was a charm charming days of
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yore when I used to at least just get
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the card through the door recently I've
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been getting pure email notifications
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now just like Oh which we tried to
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deliver to your house but you weren't
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home Chiqui sorry there's no proof
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though even that well there is there's
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proof that they were there Brady which
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is a photograph of your front door at
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least that's what it's supposed to be
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but in every single one of emails I have
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ever gotten it is a photograph of what I
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presume is just the inside of the
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delivery man's pocket it's is literally
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nothing that registers anything as proof
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on there so it's just I'm it's just a
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lie right it's just a total 100% lie and
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I did lose my cool over this a little
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while ago and complained complained on
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Twitter about package deliveries because
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I I was waiting for something in
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at home all day and of course they're
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like oh you weren't you were at home you
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weren't home yes I was you bastards
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I was waiting all day Title I before
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before we go any further though I do
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want to get something on record here
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which was I was very very careful in the
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way I was wording my complaint I just
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want to get this out of the way before
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we continue the conversation further I
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do not think this is the delivery
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people's fault
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my view of this is it is the company's
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fault and whatever whatever way they are
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arranging the incentives for the
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employees I think it's very easy to just
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think oh these delivery drivers they're
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so lazy and my first angry version of
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the tweet was about lazy delivery
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drivers this of course was back when we
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had 140 characters and I had I had to
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rethink it and then I phrased it in a
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much better way to place blame where I
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think it really goes so I just want to
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make that really clear like from
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everything I can gather I think this is
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the fault of the delivery company's
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overloading the drivers and so then they
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have every incentive in the world to
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just skip where they can bank on
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someone probably not being there so that
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they can like check off that they've
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gone through all the things that they
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need to do in a day
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so just just want to get that out the
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way first well it's interesting you say
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that because my recent experience that I
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want to share I think emphasizes how
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much the delivery drivers working in
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these incredibly strange straitjackets
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that the companies are putting on them
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and the pressures they're putting on
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them because everyone has had cases
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where you know they get a message saying
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we knocked on the door and you weren't
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home and they say yes I was and and this
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is hole you know you're a bunch of liars
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right I had a recent delivery experience
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that went the other way that really
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emphasized the problem and that was the
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other day there was a knock on the door
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I went down there was a delivery driver
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with a package for me and I had to sign
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for it and he had to scan the barcode
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with his little device to say he'd sent
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it so he was about to pass it over to me
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and he went to scanner and it wouldn't
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scan and he said hang on he tried again
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I wouldn't scan and then he looked at
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his device and said ah I'm a minute and
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a half early
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I can't scan this until it's the right
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time and we had to stand there together
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at the door waiting for the time to
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elapse until we were in the window that
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he was supposed to be at my door oh and
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then as soon as the clock ticked over
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like okay he scanned it hands it to me
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and he could leave so they're so tightly
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controlled at both ends of lateness and
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earliness of where they have to be at
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what times if they're running early they
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get constrained Wow
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it was amazing that that is that is
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frankly breathtaking he couldn't give it
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to me because he couldn't scan her
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I can I can am at like it was never this
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would never occur to me I can imagine
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maybe why this happens just just like
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you say as a way to further pin in the
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driver's freedom of motion yeah because
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later on if there's something that has
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to be delivered like between four and
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six you know they want to make sure his
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whole day is controlled so that he's
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arriving at the right places at the
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right time it doesn't get too ahead of
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schedule you know
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Wow just I feel like I'm knocked
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speechless by the horror of that it
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knows more part the horror of having to
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stand awkwardly with the delivery guy
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for 90 seconds while the two of you are
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waiting for a countdown counter to
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finish that's okay
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luckily I have the world's cutest
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Chihuahua that loves coming and playing
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with delivery people okay all right yeah
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that would make it that would make it
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much easier I feel like I would be
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tempted to close the door I could turn I
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didn't you get a note saying you were I
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don't know it might be worth it you
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avoid the awkwardness though it's a
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problem that seems to be getting worse
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with time and not better with time I
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feel like it's causing me more problems
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in laughs as time goes by because I was
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complaining mightily on Twitter I did
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get some some interesting sort of
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private feedback that that was
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confirming that what's happening is
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largely that the drivers are just
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banking on places that they know where
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the deliveries are going to be accepted
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so it's it's like these delivery
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companies are actually just delivering
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to business and commercial addresses and
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that they're blowing off the residential
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addresses just the the moment there's
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any kind of delay and in their in their
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schedule and where they should be and
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this is what these times like I don't
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understand how the world is the way it
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is because isn't this like isn't this
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the company's whole job like your job is
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to deliver packages like why why are you
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not better at delivering packages we're
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handing you money to do the thing I feel
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like package delivery has gotten way
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worse one of the ways that I feel like I
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have a subjective measure of this is
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because I have an office in in my home
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right and we get lots of packages sent
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to the house it used to drive me so
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crazy like how often the bell would ring
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for the package is getting delivered but
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over the last like 18 months the number
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of times that has occurred has
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definitely gone down and it's way more
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of these like oh there's no package to
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be delivered at all think so like I
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really do feel like delivery companies
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are worse at doing their fundamental
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job than they used to before and it
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bothers me double when he when I think
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about things like like the grocery
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delivery where you can I don't if you
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have this where you are if the city is
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big enough but you can have someone do
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the grocery shopping for you and then
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have them deliver the groceries to your
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house and it's like that to me is kind
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of amazing because it's a-okay grocery
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stores your primary business is not
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delivering things this is just an
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auxiliary business yet nonetheless I can
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just pick a 15-minute window in which I
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want a man to show up with eggs and
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cleaning fluids and toilet paper and
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bananas and whatever and there they're
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like BAM every time delivering the
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groceries and it's like this is not even
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your job like why can't actual delivery
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companies get this same thing
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accomplished I find it really
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frustrating that's just not the
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incentives in place the grocery store
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has incentive doesn't it that they don't
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do the deal if they don't deliver the
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fresh fruit it's not well I can not
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leave the food so they're just not
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incentivized yeah but I guess the
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feeling here is it's like there's a
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delivery cartel that all the delivery
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companies are equally bad right so and
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they recognize like okay as long as
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nobody gets better none of us have to
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get better like that that's what it
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feels like is actually happening because
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it's like I'm paying you to deliver a
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thing you know but I but I can't get it
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but I also just have I have no options
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here right I just have to keep paying
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you to not deliver to not deliver the
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thing and then push the burden on me to
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go to some warehouse to pick it up off
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hours I'm sure you must run into this
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Brady but do you like the feeling of
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sort of abusing your power as someone
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who has a bunch of Twitter followers to
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complain at a company like do you do
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feel the call of that sometimes to yell
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at a company on the internet I do where
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do you draw the line how do you decide
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when to when not to do it I mean you do
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it less than me but you you know you
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just use Twitter less than me so I don't
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know it's mood isn't it it's mood partly
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is like where's the radio meter right is
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the radio meter very very large or is it
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very very small but I also feel like I'm
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caught in a bit of a loop with these
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things where companies have taught me
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that there is no more effective way to
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get their attention than to yell
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come on Twitter yeah and I presume that
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having a large number of followers
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certainly helps with that but it also
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seems like that when I look at company
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Twitter accounts like they are very
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active on Twitter and replying to people
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mmm I feel like the companies are
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essentially begging me to complain about
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them on Twitter squeaky wheel gets the
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oil if I'm going to complain about a
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company on Twitter there needs to be one
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of two things I need to be really angry
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deeply deeply angry or I need to think
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of a way that I can complain that's kind
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of funny I think those those are my two
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markers for if I'm going to complain
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publicly about a company on Twitter I
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think those are the two that I'm that
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I'm looking for oh there's a third fact
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I agree with those two but there's a
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third factor for me and it's how
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urgently do I need this problem solved
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so you know I had a thing where my phone
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stopped working and I couldn't make
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phone calls and it my work ground to a
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halt and I needed that dealt with so you
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know so sometimes if I really need
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something resolved because it's
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preventing me being able to function in
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the way I need to function that is the
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third factor companies companies get
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what they promote and what they promote
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is yell at them on Twitter so they're
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gonna get more of that hello Internet
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bad Wi-Fi you have done the thing where
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you're on your laptop or you're on your
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iPad and you need something to download
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different physical location in the house
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to get into the good spot with Eero
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in your house and in my apartment is
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pretty terrible because you're using
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just a single router to try to deliver
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Wi-Fi to the entire house but guess what
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Wi-Fi doesn't go through walls very well
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it doubly doesn't go through walls very
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well if there's a lot of metal in those
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walls it's like using one light bulb in
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your house to try to light all of the
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rooms so what you need instead is a
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distributed system gyro allows you to
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install the same
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of Fancy Pants distributed systems that
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giant companies used to keep their
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entire buildings connected but it's
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simple it's easy and it's way cheaper
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than those solutions so when you get
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arrow you connect it to where the
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internet comes in your house and then
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you distribute their beacons throughout
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your home in the places where the Wi-Fi
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is weaker an arrow automatically just
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builds a mesh network throughout your
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entire house so everywhere you connect
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the speed is just as good as the good
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spots there are no more good spots
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they're all good spots I've got to say I
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cannot wait to get my hands on a Nero
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there is one coming there should be one
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in my hands right now but guess what I
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don't have one in my hands instead I
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have this do you hear that that's the
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not at home to receive delivery slip I
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really want my ear oh and the reason is
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in my tiny London apartment there is
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nothing but a gigantic slab of metal
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between where the internet comes in the
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house and where I'm recording this
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podcast right now it's hugely
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frustrating and I want that euro
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internet bucket-brigade as quickly as
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so that I don't have to put up with the
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flaky Wi-Fi anymore I know lots of
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people who use euros everybody raves
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about them I can't wait to try them out
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getting an arrow at all now is the time
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show them the hello internet love the
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euro setup process is simple and easy
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and one of the other most important
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things is that whatever router you're
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using when was the last time you updated
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the security on it yeah that's right
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Nevers because zero is built for the
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modern world and modern internets it
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your network is doing from their app at
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any moment or easily create and share a
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network in your house just for guests ok
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already you're saying how do I get my
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hands on an euro what is the promo
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code okay so go to ero comm EE ro and if
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that gets you better Wi-Fi faster and
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lets Eero know that you came from our
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show thanks to ero for making Wi-Fi
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better and thanks to ero for supporting
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the show I just wanted to bring up
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something about the ad pocalypse gray
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which is a subject that I find quite
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tiresome and I actually really don't
01:20:35
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enjoy talking about but it does seem to
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be an important part of our lives and we
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have a reputation for talking about it
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now so well yeah and also I find
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revisiting this topic personally funny
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because I think one of the very first
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times we ever mentioned it my opinion
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was like oh this is gonna blow over and
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we'll never hear about this again
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Frank's working and then YouTube did
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everything within their power to make
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sure that this was going to be an
01:21:00
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eternal problem and so here we are
01:21:02
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you're right about that so there's been
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some recent developments in the last few
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day some on both sides of the of the
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debate that I thought were worth just
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marking one is it seems to be almost
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cyclical that The Times newspaper in
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London owned by Rupert Murdoch owned by
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News Corporation that wants advertising
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money to be in papers and not on YouTube
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and have found success in this tactic of
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pointing out ads are being delivered on
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inappropriate content they have done
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their next big wave this week they found
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a new one it was it was terrorism before
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it was you know can you believe that
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company that coca-cola's being
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advertised on a story about terrorism
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now they've gone to exploitation and
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inappropriate images of children oh just
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like now we're saying last week in the
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world so that that's the new one that
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they've they're really ramping up and
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they're doing front-page stories and
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special investigations about and the
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exact same cycle has happened and there
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is all the companies are there
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you know fleeing and saying we're
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interestingly they're always saying
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we're suspending our advertising until
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this is result right and this has made
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me realize since there were some things
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about this that you were right about
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some things that you were slightly wrong
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about one is you said at the time that
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this is just like a temporary thing and
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the companies will go away and then
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ultimately come back the advert they
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advertising companies because they have
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to advertise here because if they don't
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they die and you're right about that
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because they're always using words like
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we're suspending advertising until this
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is fixed but the other thing is this
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this issue isn't going away and I can
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see this is going to be an issue for
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years to come this is just gonna be
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something that's it gets wheeled out all
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the time until the newspapers are gone
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maybe yeah so it's it's it's rather
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exasperated I did notice it was
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different this time in a way that you
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kind of have foreshadowed and spoken
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about in the past and that is the
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companies aren't saying that's it we're
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taking your advertising away forever
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they're a bit more careful in their
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wording and they say we're suspending
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advertising so and what does that mean
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yeah does that mean you know the
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impression that I have gotten from
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discussing things with people is that a
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lot of this ends up becoming a situation
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where money is simply building up behind
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a dam and then that and then when it
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when that looks like it's all clear at
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the the floodgates are opened again so
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that the let's put this way like the the
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amount of money that a company has
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allocated to spend on YouTube in a
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quarter is still maintained at a
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consistent rate and if the individual
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weeks or month are are not at a
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consistent rate but that's the
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impression that I get is largely what's
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happening so one of the things that you
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know you know I you know I like
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newspapers obviously not used to work in
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newspapers but one of the things that
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has always frustrated me about this is
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kind of the hypocrisy because I think a
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lot of newspapers do a lot of bad things
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too and companies advertise in
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newspapers and I've always thought what
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hang on like your people in glass houses
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here are throwing a lot of stones and
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there was a story that caught my eye
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last week that has opened my eye to
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something else I didn't know it was
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and just to give you a bit of context at
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the Daily Mail newspaper in the UK which
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a lot of people are familiar with and
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isn't regarded very highly for various
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reasons for its sort of sort of
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political stances had this front page
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promotion thing where people could take
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a coupon from that day's paper to the to
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the news agents in London called Paper
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Chase and could get a free roll of
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wrapping paper for their Christmas
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presents a pretty typical kind of you
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know newspaper promotion take your
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coupon from the paper get your wrapping
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paper and it turns out there's this
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organization that I wasn't quite
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familiar with called stop funding hate
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and they're kind of the ad pocalypse
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version of the ad pocalypse except for
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newspapers whatever and whenever
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companies advertise with newspapers they
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don't like that are on their list of we
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don't like you they then go to the
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mattresses and give a hard time to the
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advertisers about that and stop funding
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hate engineered this campaign against
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Paper Chase for being in bed with the
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Daily Mail that was so venomous that
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Paper Chase made a public statement
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apologizing for this promotion and have
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vowed to never advertise or do a
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promotion with the Daily Mail again and
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the stock funding hate apparently have
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done this with various companies
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including our good friends Lego who have
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been shamed into not advertising with
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various newspapers because of this
01:25:46
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campaign so it's the it's the thing
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happening in the opposite opposite
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direction and it's actually something
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that I've kind of spoken about before
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when I said you know when we see
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advertisements on free booted videos on
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Facebook we should we said shame the
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advertisers don't don't take on Facebook
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Facebook don't care go to the advertiser
01:26:04
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and say hey Pepsi do you know that your
01:26:06
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videos are running against all this
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stolen content that's exactly what stop
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funding hate our doing hmm
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so the battle is actually happening in
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both directions fool what do you what do
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you think of this do you know what I'm
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kind of a bit uneasy with it both ways
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yeah I mean that's I think it's I think
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it's hypocritical for me to say that
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stop funding hate are doing the wrong
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thing except that the
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pocalypse people like saying youtubers
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bad YouTube is bad the people they
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actually have the problems with the
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content creators the people who are
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uploading the bad stuff whereas when you
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have a campaign against a newspaper the
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newspaper is deciding what goes in its
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paper it's not like the Daily Mail can
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say hey we can't control what our
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journalists write sorry that our
01:26:56
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columnist wrote a really racist column
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but we can't control that we're just a
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platform mhm that the newspaper does
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have total editorial control over what
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appears in its pages and therefore when
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someone takes them to task for it I
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think there's an extra level of
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accountability that YouTube don't
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necessarily have but I've said in the
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past that I do think YouTube does have
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to serve does have to have some
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accountability for what appears on the
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site as well so for that reason I'm kind
01:27:23
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of oh I don't know what to think about
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this yeah I mean you know my initial
01:27:30
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reaction is of course I think it's funny
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because it's the newspapers getting what
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they're giving right like dishing out a
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thing as like well well well look look
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who comes back around and I do agree
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with you that the newspapers have a
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level of control that YouTube could only
01:27:50
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either that that is just fundamentally
01:27:51
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impossible on the YouTube platform but I
01:27:54
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don't know what like with all of this
01:27:59
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stuff I just I feel you know ever since
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we talked about a long time ago like we
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initially started having conversations
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but like mob justice on the Internet
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there is something I just I feel like I
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am permanently and forever uneasy about
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any kind of mob justice on the Internet
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in a way that I didn't used to be yeah
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several years ago and any of this kind
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of stuff where like even you know even
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if I would agree with the mob justice
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perhaps perhaps especially if I would
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agree with the mob justice it feels like
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you should be really cautious about that
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kind of thing right where and and this
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this feels like a similar thing like
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you're trying to
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bully and shame and organization into
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not supporting a thing and it's like I
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know that we can get all worthy about
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what the reasons for doing that are but
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I found I don't know how to put this but
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I feel like I feel what you're saying
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though it's like this is the thin end of
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the wedge versus you know online
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vigilantes like yeah if we start if we
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start doing this all the time where
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where does it stop I guess I guess what
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I'm trying to try and think about here
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is it's a little bit like my my feeling
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about politics where you know we don't
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really talk about politics on the show
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and part of the reason is because I you
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know my personal feeling is like if
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we're not talking about the meta issues
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like if we're not talking about the the
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voting system right we're not talking
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about campaign finance right like then
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we're getting we're getting like dragged
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down into the details of things but well
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like we're never addressing the root
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cause of problems and there's something
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about Internet vigilantism that that is
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more and more in my mind falling into a
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kind of like I think this is a
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fundamental problem in a way but I don't
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know I'm not even sure I can say that
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that harshly or that clearly but it just
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it is just a thing that I find myself
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very very cautious about and it feels
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like we need a better and more
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responsible solution than a kind of
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internet bullying campaign even if it's
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for something that we agree with like
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for the same reason that in a society we
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have laws no matter how much evidence
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you have like against a murderer like we
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still put a murderer on trial because we
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had like we have to go through we have
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to go through the process and there's
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something there's something it feels
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like we need some kind of process on the
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internet that can can handle stuff
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instead of this this sort of like let's
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let's all get riled up about
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about a thing like like even the name of
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this campaign right stop funding hate
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right is like that name is designed to
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stop any conversation about what this
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organization is doing here if you're not
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with the stop funding hate organization
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are you for funding hate right it's like
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ah right huh no of course not
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I think it's funny when you first show
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it to me but I I'm finding more and more
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my brain has this like antibody reaction
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to any anything that starts looking like
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let's gang up on a thing online and
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force them to do what we want like I've
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just I find that I find myself getting
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more and more cautious about that kind
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of behavior on the Internet in any way
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there's also this slightly weird dynamic
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where there's always this third party
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so it's like like Paper Chase for the
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news agents other ones are also like
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copying it in the neck and you could say
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well they deserve it because they're
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giving their money to the Daily Mail and
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they know what the Daily Mail is like
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yeah but it's kind of like this indirect
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argument it's like these people have an
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issue with the Daily Mail and they're
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like they're like taking hostages and
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hurting other people to try and damage
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the Daily Mail and there are all these
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sort of other parties who are kind of
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copping it in the neck as a result and
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it feels like know if it was bitchy when
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there is this third party interaction it
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always gets more complicated and again I
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think I think the internet version of
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this is like you they don't go after the
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person like they go after the platform
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that the person is on and that always
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that will they go after the money don't
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yeah yeah it's always about going after
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the money money supply the curia yet
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you're Lively yeah that is an excellent
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point I feel like I feel like we do you
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know Brady Hero is the master of words
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here but I do feel like we need a term
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for this idea about going after
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somebody's livelihood on the internet
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like their there are so many different
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versions of this that it's like it's a
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concept that happens over and over again
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like trying to get someone removed from
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patreon or trying to get someone fired
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from their job or whatever like this is
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a thing that happens all the time of
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this idea like you're going after
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somebody's livelihood where
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for that that livelihood is and again I
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always just feel really cautious about
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that and I think you're I think you're
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right there is something that's that
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feels wrong about when it's a third
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party interaction it feels like you're
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not you're not engaging directly you're
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engaging in a in a sneaky way instead of
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instead of engaging head-on with the
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thing that you don't like you know I
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sometimes worry about the ad pocalypse
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and I think if all the advert us pull
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off the platform and YouTube collapses
01:33:44
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and stuff it could be bad for people
01:33:45
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like you and I but then this deep calm
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comes over me when I realize that if a
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company completely stops advertising on
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Google and YouTube another company will
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come in to fill the void mm-hmm and
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that's what that's what keeps it going
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like if if if coca-cola said all right
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we're not advertising on YouTube anymore
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Pepsi you'd think brilliant yeah
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we will exactly so there is a hope that
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kind of market force as long as you know
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youtuber a really bad company and really
01:34:12
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are doing bad stuff which I don't think
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they are then I'm quite comfortable with
01:34:15
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this kind of chewing and Frau Inc and I
01:34:18
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kind of hope it just doesn't hurt people
01:34:20
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too much it certainly has created an
01:34:21
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absolute debacle on the content flagging
01:34:25
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stuff which we've talked about recently
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so it is it is hurting us regardless and
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while I've said before that I think
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YouTube is in a strong enough market
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position that they don't have to do a
01:34:34
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lot of this I do worry about the I do
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worry about the future of YouTube a
01:34:41
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little bit simp simply because I feel
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like they are beginning to cross an
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annoyance line with a large enough
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number of of creators that I think if I
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was in charge of YouTube that would be a
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thing I would just is it a threat today
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maybe not but it's a thing I would just
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have my eye on that it did as a creator
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who talks to other creators it really
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feels like everybody is super annoyed
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with with the flagging and the way the
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whole system works and we're still just
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the Mickey Mouse of the system that gray
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it's not like Sony and all those people
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who are uploading music videos to
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YouTube er upset and as long as YouTube
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have got them so
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you know I know I know what you're
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saying but I think if I was if I was
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trying to do a start-up to compete with
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you to which I think might be a
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fundamentally impossible thing to do I
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think YouTube might have a pretty secure
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hold on an on the natural monopoly of
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video but let's say I was I was tasked
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to do it right and you had like a
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billion dollar since like okay make a
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startup to compete with you to I
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wouldn't go after the big companies like
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that like the via Muslim the music
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company VEVO and Sony and all this other
01:36:02
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stuff and the millions of hours of
01:36:04
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late-night TV that's on YouTube I would
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go after trying to sway the creators
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because I think if you can sway the
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creators then those big companies will
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just double post their material right on
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YouTube and whatever the YouTube
01:36:20
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competitor is YouTube I love you guys
01:36:23
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I'm not competing with you I don't have
01:36:25
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I don't have a secret startup in the
01:36:26
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works venture capitalist though if
01:36:29
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you're looking for someone to work with
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you know give me a call
01:36:32
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youtube don't listen to that but anyway
01:36:33
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um but I do I do think that that's the
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vulnerable point if there if there is a
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vulnerable point it's people who are
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individual or small creators who have
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loyal audiences
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whereas trying to convince Sony to
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upload onto a competitive competing
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channel is a hopeless cause right
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they're just they're just going to make
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a business decision and the only
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question is can you get your competitor
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big enough that it makes sense for those
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channels to start double posting and
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this is where I think Facebook are
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missing a trick like that but not
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opening things up to smaller operations
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like people like us like this is the
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time to strike because if facebook said
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now look we'll share half the revenue
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with you let's let's do it
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I think they'd get a lot of people and
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then if they started pulling all those
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people across then they could start
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trying to get the big the big guns but
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they're just like so they're so
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close-minded Facebook they're so selfish
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yeah I kind of wonder what Facebook's up
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to I mean you know I don't want to give
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Facebook any any tips here on how to
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defeat YouTube because it's like I
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really don't like Facebook but
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nonetheless I am con
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totally surprised at their at the
01:37:47
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decisions they make with online video
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and it feels like you guys are so close
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like you could you could have this if
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you just changed a few things and they
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don't and I don't understand why and I
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just because I like to believe in a
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somewhat rational world I feel like that
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they must be up to something that we
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can't see or there must be some reason
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why they don't do revenue sharing with
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creators but I don't I don't understand
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it and it seems like it would be the
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most obvious thing to do if you were in
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charge of Facebook should we end with a
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paper cut yeah let's let's round out
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with a paper cut this is this is a
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special paper because this is Brady's
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paper cut meets sports ball call oh god
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what happens when the coroner's cross
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with each other okay what do we get you
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get a square then I guess if we have two
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two corners crossing oh yeah I see what
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you mean yeah I want to send you a
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picture I'll send you a few pictures and
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these pictures have been taken during
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postgame celebrations because the
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baseball season the MLB baseball season
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recently ended so we had lots of happy
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base boulders in the changing rooms
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celebrating wonderful victories okay I'm
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looking I'm looking
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we've got players in the changing rooms
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bottles of champagne being shaken corks
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being popped champagne being sprayed
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everywhere as is the custom celebration
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at the end of a sporting trial do you
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have any initial thoughts
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I mean well they're all wearing ski
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masks so it must be some yes violent
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champagne spraying there this is a this
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is the this is the development in the
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last few years that I am papercut by
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professional athletes in these
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spontaneous moments of happiness for
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years they've been pulling out the
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t-shirts that were pre-made for them
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winning you know congratulations on
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winning which are obviously made weeks
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before they won well yeah but then they
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have but then they've also brought a
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bunch of sometimes customized swimming
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goggles and ski masks to put on their
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faces before they start spraying the
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champagne so they they can protect their
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eyes this seems like the least
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spontaneous and least like
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rugged cool sports thing you could do
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and makes them seem like a bunch of
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wusses I feel like there's a real theme
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here in your complaints as of late Brady
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but yes it's like yeah you know you have
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to have your Dewey beats Truman t-shirts
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all set and ready to go of course you
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know I have to have them ready imprinted
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but but the but the goggles the goggles
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do like to look like a bunch of wusses
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I'm not gonna lie and it just it just
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ruins the moment for me saying it just
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it no longer seems like this moment
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where we were just so happy we couldn't
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control ourselves it's like okay okay
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everyone put on your goggles for safety
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and now we will have the fan yeah these
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are these are fun approved goggles I
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like that this is it's it's it's more
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health and safety go on man I'm sure
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someone will tell me some story about a
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champagne cork that ruined a baseballers
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career or how the acidity of champagne
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can ruin your vision or something but
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hey if if if spraying champagne is
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celebrating at the end of the game is
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unsafe then just don't do it but don't
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don't all start putting goggles on
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because you look you look like you look
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silly yeah if it's the interest you
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should come up with a new tradition yeah
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I know that I don't think the champagne
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is possibly dangerous except for the
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exploding quark if you don't know how to
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handle the champagne bottle but yeah
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this this looks dumb oh yeah coming cute
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with a thumbs down do not approve this
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and I'm sure now everyone's gonna jump
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on reddit like they did about the
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astronauts and say hey you know though
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they've got these multimillion-dollar
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contracts and they've got to protect
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their eyes but come on Brady why are you
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against fun that that's what that's what
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I'm getting all the complaints Brady
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unrealized fine just so you know I'm not
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against the champagne I love I love the
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champagne at the end of the sport I just
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think putting these goggles on
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not only is it like health and safety
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gone mad it just looks it makes the
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whole thing look unnatural and
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premeditated and not like a celebration
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and just something they all knew they
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were going to have to do for the cameras
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later hmm I wonder I wonder if in ten
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they'll be having safety rain jackets
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for the champagne as well like if you
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would rewound time 10 years ago and
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asked someone do you think people will
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have to put on goggles before they open
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champagne no one would have said yes
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right that would have seen ridiculous
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and the idea now of some kind of safety
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raincoat for your champagne seems
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ridiculous but maybe in ten years that
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that's what they'll be doing as well I
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love special coverings for themselves so
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they don't get hurt by the champagne I
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just so that we don't end on me being
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anti fuckin who can I bring up one other
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interesting story us or a few weeks ago
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that touches on various topics you one
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being like insurance and safety in that
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and the other being Twitter which we've
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talked about a lot today there was a new
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story a little while ago where a famous
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soccer player from England was on
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holiday with his wife and he took I
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don't know what they were doing that
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skiing or something and he tweeted or
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instagrammed or whatever he did saying
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they're having a good time you know what
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he was up to and because he did that
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thieves knew that he wasn't in his
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lovely mansion in England who cleaned
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out the place took all his stuff took
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thousands and thousands of pounds worth
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it was nice done and his insurance
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company wouldn't pay because they said
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tweeting that he was on holiday was a
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security breach that voided his
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insurance policy and this was whole
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debate going on now about whether or not
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if you tweet that you're away from your
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house and your house gets robbed whether
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you should be insuring and I want to
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know what you think of that I agree with
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the insurance company on this one and
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this is actually a moment to answer a
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question that a bunch of people have
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asked which is you remember for a while
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I had the gray health bot that was
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tweeting out my weight every day yeah I
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stopped that in no small part because I
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realized after I was traveling that that
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thing was was essentially an indicator
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of if I was traveling or if I was not
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traveling because I'm I'm not bringing
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my internet-connected scale with me
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wherever I go and even if I was bringing
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it I would be in a different time zone
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and the the weight measurements would go
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up at a different time and I felt
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uncomfortable with having a very clear
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indicator on the Internet
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about when I was or was not home so I
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stopped that I stopped doing that and
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III feel like I got to go with the
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insurance company on this one yeah if
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you're tweeting about not being home I
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can I can see that that's uh that's a
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definitely like an invitation to burgle
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a house in a way difficult situation
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there was a not so funny it's an
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unfortunate situation where you know
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people who want who likes sharing their
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adventures and stuff okay let's let's
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take the internet out of this do you
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think if it's a Brady the next time you
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go on vacation you pack up all your
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things you're gonna be really diligent
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on Twitter you're not gonna say anything
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but you put a big sign in the front yard
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that says we are not home and and you
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only take it down when you return what
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how do you feel about that well there's
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two different there's a different thing
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going on them but yeah oh I know it I
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know it's a different thing going on
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this is what I feel like this is a
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patented Brady analogy right ladies it's
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like we've subtly shifted the ground
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here but I'm just I'm curious
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if you had done such a thing and you got
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robbed and the insurance company said
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you put a please rob me sign in front of
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your your house no we're not gonna cover
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it no no no no no they've changed the
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analogy now you've said please rub my
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side is different I'm not right okay oh
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I think insurance companies should cover
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you for normal behavior and is normal
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behavior to go on a holiday and share
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pictures while you're on holiday and
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like how far do we have to take this
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you're saying we have to create like all
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these deceptions like next they're going
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to say you have to start pre-programming
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Facebook posts of photos of you at home
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that automatically upload every two or
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three days when you're on holiday as an
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extra layer of protection yeah actually
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I have how far is this gonna go how much
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how much onus is on us like if you if
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you left a sign at the front saying my
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house is unlocked you are free to come
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and take stuff okay the insurance
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company could probably say well hang on
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yeah that is not even burglary yeah but
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posting a picture like it's not like the
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house wasn't locked like you are allowed
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to be not home and going to
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things I mean this happens to footballer
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sometimes when they're playing games Oh
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overseas like you know they're playing a
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big famous game like there was one
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footballer who was playing something
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like a Champions League farm or
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something over in Europe and because it
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was such a big game they knew his family
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will be going to watch and he got robbed
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while he was playing in that game mmm
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cuz everyone everyone knew everyone
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associated with him was gonna be away
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from the house hmm so I mean I don't
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know I don't know I think that's
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interesting I feel like that puts a real
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wrinkle in my thoughts there that
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comparison because I agree the insurance
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should cover it if he's at work right
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but how is how is that different if his
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work happens to be going to a sports
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game it's out of town right is that any
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is that any different from posting on
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Twitter his family vacation photos I
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would have a very hard time articulating
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why I feel like that's difference and so
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maybe maybe you're finding a little bit
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of a there's a there's a wrinkle here
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that I feel like I'm um I've cast doubt
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on my certainty from before hmm
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interesting it is an interesting dilemma
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do you tweet though while you're away
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yeah hmm I sometimes do it's interesting
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it's interesting not always no ways but
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yeah I do I feel I feel very aware of it
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I mean you're unusually um go ahead
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Brady you can say whatever words it's
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puffing into your head I know there's
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some word I would describe you as a
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warrior you are a person who finds
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things to worry about so I can imagine
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when you're traveling you would you
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would see the worry there is a side
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effect here that often when I'm
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traveling I have a very hard time
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keeping up with even just the normal
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things in life like I'm usually
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traveling for a very clear purpose and
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so I don't want to do a bunch of other
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stuff so it is much more easy than
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normal to not tweet when I'm traveling
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but but I I'm the opposite I find out I
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suddenly have all this spare time and I
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get angry at myself for eating too much
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you know I'm sitting I'm sitting you
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know by the beach and you know I'm in
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the shade because I don't like being
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here too much direct Sun and I'm sitting
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there for like two hours and I'm
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thinking hmm bit bored might wait
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once again I find I find that so
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interesting are completely opposite
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experiences yeah it's I'm I feel like I
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am very monomaniacal when I'm traveling
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and and so yeah I don't I don't treat
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very much but I but when I do I am
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always aware of tweeting stuff and I
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often and I put not I don't even tries
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to say it exactly but I do often really
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time shift when I'm traveling when the
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actual tweet goes up yeah like I think I
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have never tweeted about being at a
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place when I'm at the place right I get
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is always later in time then then it
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would be so I'm also just aware like
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moving things around even when I am
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tweeting and I'm and I'm on a trip but
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yeah I might be a bit of a bit of a
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special case in that one but for sure an
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insurance company no matter what we'll
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always be trying to find a way to not
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pay on the policy
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yeah that's a microphone mr. chompers
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that's how uncle gray does his podcasts
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okay now no chomping the microphone and
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chomp your bone