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H.I. #93: Mr. Chompers


00:00:00   we drive the listeners crazy because we

00:00:01   love them I do never cease being

00:00:05   surprised by how bad your spelling is

00:00:07   behind the Saints it seems like it's not

00:00:09   your luck strongest suit

00:00:11   I would say that spelling is is perhaps

00:00:13   perhaps my weakest suit way better at

00:00:16   socializing at big parties probably way

00:00:20   better at skydiving than I am at

00:00:22   spelling my method of spelling words is

00:00:25   just typed quickly right just type

00:00:27   quickly whatever comes into your head

00:00:28   first there what I'm about to say of

00:00:31   course of course as a former teacher I

00:00:34   would never endorse let students do what

00:00:36   I'm about to say that I I did when I was

00:00:38   a student but when I was back in like

00:00:41   high school and middle school I would

00:00:43   cheat the hell out of spelling tests how

00:00:47   do you would you check one of the years

00:00:49   I had a homeroom class that then rolled

00:00:54   over into an English class and so I

00:00:57   would I would be able to just write very

00:01:00   lightly in pencil some of the the

00:01:02   spelling words that I knew were going to

00:01:03   be on the test or like the likely

00:01:04   spelling words that were going to be on

00:01:06   the test or it concealed them somewhere

00:01:08   else you know I think most industrious

00:01:10   kids now if you really put your mind to

00:01:11   it it's not super hard to cheat if

00:01:13   you're not in a standardized test

00:01:15   environment and there's any kind of

00:01:17   regularity to it but here's the thing

00:01:20   the reason I felt no guilt about

00:01:23   cheating is because I could only cheat

00:01:27   my way to like a 50 percent score right

00:01:32   if I wasn't cheating I would get like a

00:01:35   20 percent score on the spelling it

00:01:37   would have been atrocious but if I had

00:01:40   cheated my way into like oh wow I got a

00:01:43   got an 80 percent this week it would be

00:01:45   way too obvious right there like I would

00:01:47   have been caught for cheating

00:01:48   immediately because it would be so

00:01:50   obvious that there's no way this kid

00:01:51   actually did it so I felt like I cheated

00:01:54   myself into a less bad failing grade to

00:01:57   try to not entirely pull down my grade

00:02:01   average for the class on a whole so that

00:02:03   was my history with spelling in school

00:02:06   [Applause]

00:02:07   normally between you and I there is a

00:02:10   one-way flow of

00:02:13   pictures of cute puppies I often send

00:02:16   you pictures of Audrey and Lulu in

00:02:18   action and stuff like that mm-hmm

00:02:20   but everything has changed you have been

00:02:23   sending me videos and pictures of you

00:02:26   playing with a super super cute dog what

00:02:29   is going on tell people what is

00:02:32   happening in your world

00:02:33   what is happening in my world is not

00:02:35   what the listeners are probably

00:02:36   imagining I have not gotten a dog the

00:02:39   gray family has no intention to get a

00:02:41   dog but we make decisions not promises

00:02:47   for our future selves but you know for

00:02:49   the moment we've decided that we're not

00:02:50   gonna get a dog hmm but but we talked

00:02:55   our way into dog sitting our neighbors

00:02:59   new puppy I have been like it like a

00:03:01   stay at home doggy dad for the past week

00:03:05   taking care of a little Bulldog breed

00:03:08   puppy who is very cute and I feel like

00:03:11   someone who has a baby and then can't

00:03:14   help but just send photos of the baby to

00:03:17   everyone in the world I think I have

00:03:19   sent photos and videos of this little

00:03:21   dog to lots of people lots of people

00:03:24   like on social boundaries it's like

00:03:26   should I really be sending this person

00:03:28   the picture of the dog like I'm what the

00:03:29   dog is so cute like what I can't not

00:03:31   send this photograph so yeah there's

00:03:34   been there's been an exodus of dog

00:03:37   photos and videos from my phone to many

00:03:39   other people so I can see how your wife

00:03:42   would get herself into dog sitting I

00:03:45   cannot see how you would have agreed to

00:03:47   this it seems like that it seems like

00:03:50   something you wouldn't do like like you

00:03:52   know you're a nice guy and right stuff

00:03:55   but I can't say you agreeing to dog shit

00:03:57   like someone else's dog okay so okay I

00:04:01   have to ask you this because when I have

00:04:04   sent out these pictures to people I have

00:04:07   gotten universal feedback which is

00:04:09   exactly exactly what you're expressing

00:04:10   which is I don't understand why or how

00:04:14   you've agreed to this and to me I feel

00:04:16   like my only response is what do you

00:04:18   mean why would someone agreed like I can

00:04:21   barely understand like what what do you

00:04:22   think is the reason that I wouldn't do

00:04:24   this well

00:04:26   it's such an encroachment upon your time

00:04:30   and your space for something that is not

00:04:33   yours and like I know you've been

00:04:36   involved it's not just like you've just

00:04:37   been keeping an eye on it you've been

00:04:38   like training it you know trying to make

00:04:42   it a better dog a better puppy very

00:04:44   important it sounds like it's been you

00:04:46   know and I know it's encroached on your

00:04:48   ability to do other things in your

00:04:49   normal course of your day you've made it

00:04:51   sound like it's you know becoming real

00:04:53   a big thing in your life for whatever

00:04:56   period you're doing this for and that

00:04:58   just seems like something that you would

00:04:59   be reluctant to agree to you know you

00:05:02   you are so you know organized and set in

00:05:06   your ways and like to organize your time

00:05:09   and you're quite like a self-contained

00:05:12   unit this is drew like you don't seem

00:05:15   like someone who does lots and lots of

00:05:16   things for the benefit of other people

00:05:19   and yet this dog-sitting thing goes

00:05:21   against that and I get you get like you

00:05:23   know some fun times and cuteness out of

00:05:25   it but I wouldn't have thought that

00:05:26   would have been enough to have overcome

00:05:27   all your other traits I guess I can see

00:05:31   that on the other hand puppies are great

00:05:34   yeah my parents mostly let it but I

00:05:36   helped out with the training of Lucy my

00:05:38   parents dog when she was a little puppy

00:05:40   and that was that was the first time I

00:05:41   ever had any experience doing formal dog

00:05:45   training and so like I found that a

00:05:48   really interesting experience and as

00:05:50   I've mentioned many times on the podcast

00:05:51   like a helpful experience and looking

00:05:53   back now you do talk about that Cesar

00:05:55   Millan show a lot don't you and like you

00:05:57   have got a bit of an interest in dog

00:05:58   training now I think about it

00:05:59   yeah like actually we can we can revisit

00:06:01   that in a moment but but so like this

00:06:04   this to me is now like another little

00:06:06   step up of the ratchet where it's like

00:06:09   oh now there's a dog that I have total

00:06:11   responsibility for for huge portions of

00:06:13   the day and so that that's a very

00:06:15   different level of behavior training and

00:06:17   I like I personally just find that very

00:06:19   interesting but but I will say you are

00:06:22   100% right when you talk about an

00:06:24   encroachment into my life because in the

00:06:27   in the main room of our house the room

00:06:29   where we have the kitchen and I like a

00:06:31   couch in space to watch TV the main

00:06:33   living area of the house 40% of that

00:06:35   floor space is now taken up by a doggy

00:06:39   pen that we

00:06:40   not for this dog dog sitting which

00:06:43   contains within it a doggy bed and many

00:06:45   doggy toys we also got a harness for the

00:06:49   little dog and leash we've purchased

00:06:52   many many things for this popper

00:06:55   so just oh yeah oh my god yeah my

00:07:00   commitment is this are you just doing

00:07:01   something temporarily while they went to

00:07:03   like Europe for a week or is this while

00:07:05   they go to their job everyday you've

00:07:06   said I will care for your dog during the

00:07:08   day while you do your normal job every

00:07:10   day of your life so basically I'm taking

00:07:12   care of the dog during the day this is

00:07:14   what we've signed up for is the puppy is

00:07:17   very very young he's about 10 weeks old

00:07:20   now what's his name I mean for the

00:07:23   privacy sake for the dog I don't want to

00:07:24   give his name that's true that's true

00:07:26   safety grey safety yeah I'm gonna call

00:07:29   him mr. chompers because he chomps on

00:07:32   absolutely everything and that's that is

00:07:34   the number one behavior that we're

00:07:36   working on right now is that mr.

00:07:37   chompers has to get less Chompy is mr.

00:07:39   chompers chomping your personal

00:07:40   possessions

00:07:41   no no he's very good about that actually

00:07:43   mr. chompers favorite thing to chomp our

00:07:45   hands I would count your hands as your

00:07:48   personal possessions but I see what you

00:07:49   made how they're just they're just part

00:07:51   of the meat sack that I live in that's a

00:07:54   very different thing but yes and mr.

00:07:56   chompers we're doing lots of redirection

00:07:58   you know you chew on toys and it's great

00:08:01   to see him learn over time that can

00:08:04   change his behavior like I find that

00:08:06   very rewarding I was like the most proud

00:08:08   father in the world the very first day

00:08:10   when he went on his own and picked up

00:08:12   one of his chew toys instead of having

00:08:14   to be directed towards the chew toy like

00:08:16   this is very very young puppy behavior

00:08:18   where they're just you know yeah it's

00:08:19   very hard to train them at this stage

00:08:21   but no I'm taking care of him during the

00:08:24   day and I will say that I suspect right

00:08:26   that we were like angels from heaven

00:08:28   descended upon these neighbors of ours

00:08:30   with their dog because they had taken a

00:08:33   bunch of time off work to be around mr.

00:08:36   chompers and then they had to go back to

00:08:38   work and they were trying to arrange

00:08:39   like some things with their other family

00:08:41   and like daycare Scituate and like a

00:08:43   whole bunch of other stuff and then we

00:08:45   showed up like hey I work from home I

00:08:47   couldn't look after mr. chompers ed is

00:08:49   like and I'm more more than happy yank

00:08:53   nay

00:08:54   I needed to help out with the training

00:08:55   while he's a little puppy for a while so

00:08:57   but how did you get out of this now like

00:08:59   at what point do you say okay I'm not

00:09:02   having a dog anymore have you put any

00:09:04   kind of expiration date on this

00:09:06   agreement or yeah the implied expiration

00:09:08   date is just when he's old enough to

00:09:10   actually be able to be left alone for

00:09:12   some period of time like he's just he's

00:09:14   he's too young as a puppy to be on its

00:09:16   own all day so like they have to do

00:09:19   something with him and so and so this

00:09:22   way like he doesn't have to go you know

00:09:24   into like a doggy daycare facility for

00:09:26   the day I can I can just go I can just

00:09:29   go pick him up bring him to my place

00:09:30   drop him off and then and then have this

00:09:35   little puppy be essentially an

00:09:36   all-consuming focus of my life for the

00:09:38   entire day it's it's exhausting it's

00:09:39   genuinely exhausted is there any concern

00:09:41   you're gonna get into one of these like

00:09:43   cliched sort of surrogate mother type

00:09:45   positions when they say okay it's time

00:09:47   for us to have our dog back and you're

00:09:48   gonna be like your dog I'm the one who's

00:09:52   brought it up and told it to tourism no

00:09:55   no but see see this is this is the thing

00:09:57   that nobody understands right this is

00:09:59   the best way to have a dog is the

00:10:02   ability to give him back at the end of

00:10:05   the day or like this weekend right we

00:10:07   don't have we don't have mr. chompers

00:10:08   this weekend because he is with his

00:10:11   actual parents he's like oh wow my wife

00:10:14   and I now have like look at this look at

00:10:15   all of this space we have we can

00:10:16   collapse the whole the whole dog pen

00:10:18   situation we can put it off to the side

00:10:20   we can just relax it's great like I feel

00:10:23   like this is this is what this is what

00:10:24   Brady grandparents are always talking

00:10:26   about right with their like Oh grandkids

00:10:28   are better than real kids because you

00:10:30   get to give the grandchildren back but

00:10:32   you also get to spend some time with the

00:10:34   grandkids but do you find yourself

00:10:35   sitting around ever thinking wow I wish

00:10:38   mr. chompers was here we do wonder what

00:10:40   mr. chompers is up to right yeah I

00:10:41   wonder what he's doing right now we've

00:10:43   definitely reviewed mr. chompers videos

00:10:45   that we've taken and photographs because

00:10:47   Brady at this age they grow up so fast

00:10:50   like he's legitimately bigger every day

00:10:51   and now that I will I will not have seen

00:10:54   him for a long weekend when I see mr.

00:10:56   chompers tomorrow he's gonna he's gonna

00:10:58   be he's gonna be so much bigger already

00:10:59   you have to give to cherish the time

00:11:01   that you have with them when they're

00:11:02   young are you dealing with Poe and we oh

00:11:05   yeah yeah we have in the

00:11:07   house yeah we're doing pedal pads like

00:11:09   he's not he's not potty trained yet so

00:11:12   we're doing the piddle pads on the floor

00:11:15   for now so we have that all we have that

00:11:17   laid out a little dog goes through

00:11:19   mountains of Biddle pads so yeah that's

00:11:23   that's it yeah you had to pick up a /

00:11:25   yeah yeah I picked up poo that's what

00:11:27   you do with dogs oh man I would I will

00:11:30   pay you 50 pounds for a video of you

00:11:34   picking up a poo why I just can't

00:11:38   imagine you doing it we want one of

00:11:41   those little dog poo bag dispensers in

00:11:44   the shape of a bone right so you can

00:11:45   pull out a little dog poop bag yeah yeah

00:11:47   you know what I'm talking about the kind

00:11:48   in cross yeah so yeah we've just got one

00:11:51   of those

00:11:51   yeah I take I take mr. chompers out for

00:11:53   walks we're trying to train him to go to

00:11:55   the bathroom outside and say yeah you

00:11:57   pick up poo that that's what you do with

00:11:58   with fill dogs

00:11:59   if tagine have to organize and mr.

00:12:01   chompers Audrey playdate

00:12:03   oh yeah does she do well with other dogs

00:12:04   depends on the dog hmm she's quite

00:12:06   territorial but away from home she's

00:12:08   pretty friendly with all dogs in her

00:12:10   Park only certain dogs are allowed right

00:12:12   of course of course I forget that Audrey

00:12:14   does own that Park it is it does say on

00:12:17   away from her away from home she's

00:12:19   pretty cool with old dogs and she gets

00:12:22   used to any dog within about a minute

00:12:23   well you know socializing is an

00:12:24   important part of a puppy life but this

00:12:26   is absolutely not moved your own

00:12:28   personal needle for getting a dog at

00:12:30   some point oh you know I can see at some

00:12:33   point in the future we get a dog I don't

00:12:35   see it in the near future for a whole

00:12:37   variety of reasons and and again

00:12:40   everybody says to me they're like oh you

00:12:42   know oh you you've adopted somebody

00:12:43   else's dog essentially during the day

00:12:45   like you're gonna you're gonna have a

00:12:46   dog within weeks and and my my view on

00:12:48   this is the exact opposite we are in

00:12:50   fact satiating our doggy needs right we

00:12:54   are not amplifying doggy native we'll

00:12:57   say once you're mr. chompers excess is

00:12:59   no longer on tap you may feel

00:13:02   differently

00:13:04   hot stoppers I don't think we've got to

00:13:07   the endgame yet but I have now activated

00:13:10   the section of the hello Internet

00:13:13   patreon page so that any existing

00:13:16   patrons and any future patrons

00:13:19   can provide a postal address like they

00:13:22   can fill in a postal address section now

00:13:24   and if they decide to do so it's a

00:13:27   voluntary thing obviously but if they

00:13:29   decide to do so they will be going into

00:13:31   a specially devised semi random ballot

00:13:35   and I will occasionally be sending out

00:13:38   random hot stoppers to people and they

00:13:42   would arrive unexpectedly like a like a

00:13:44   gift from Santa Claus I will not be

00:13:46   emailing or informing people that they

00:13:48   are coming right

00:13:49   partly because I like the surprise mmm

00:13:51   and partly because if I did do that and

00:13:53   then for some reason someone's gets lost

00:13:55   in the post right I get back to that

00:13:57   original problem that I'm trying to

00:13:58   avoid administration so you would not

00:14:01   know it's coming right now we get back

00:14:02   to fulfillment problems yeah exactly

00:14:04   even though it's like a free gift people

00:14:06   will still get upset if I email them and

00:14:07   say you've got one coming hmm and it

00:14:10   doesn't arrive so I'm not doing that I

00:14:11   think that's great

00:14:12   remind me brainy there's a thing I want

00:14:14   to talk to you after the show after

00:14:15   we're done recording about about that

00:14:18   about what to do with X I've been

00:14:19   thinking some learn something along

00:14:20   those lines but it you had to say it was

00:14:22   very interesting reading through the

00:14:23   feedback I always really liked it to see

00:14:25   all all the feedback in the reddit and

00:14:26   people coming up with ideas about what

00:14:28   to do I'm gonna stay away from any

00:14:29   specific solutions right now but what I

00:14:33   will say my general feeling reading

00:14:36   through people's ideas is I was aware I

00:14:38   was aware of myself getting pulled

00:14:41   toward and sort of repelled away from

00:14:45   two kinds of ideas I really liked all

00:14:47   the ideas that people had that were just

00:14:50   fun ideas like some people came up with

00:14:53   some fun possibly impractical and maybe

00:14:55   not really doable ideas but just like

00:14:57   fun things what could you do with a

00:14:59   thousand hot Stoppers right and people

00:15:01   came up with great ideas and I just

00:15:03   found it interesting that even though my

00:15:04   question was help us solve this economic

00:15:09   problem last time I found myself

00:15:11   repelled away a little bit from the

00:15:14   actual solutions to this problem like

00:15:16   there were a couple of really good

00:15:17   write-ups where people were going

00:15:18   through like oh here here's how you can

00:15:20   solve this problem in in a in a very

00:15:22   efficient way and just thought no I

00:15:24   think these are these are whimsical hot

00:15:26   Stoppers I agree I think they should be

00:15:28   used in some kind of fun way I also

00:15:32   think a lot of

00:15:33   the suggestions I read indicated to me

00:15:35   that people hadn't really understood the

00:15:38   problem mmm and they were saying I don't

00:15:40   know this is it this is an easy problem

00:15:41   just like set this price and do this and

00:15:44   organize this distribution person and

00:15:46   like they just then outlined a solution

00:15:48   which was the exact thing I was trying

00:15:50   to avoid which was a whole big thing

00:15:53   right so it's still it's still

00:15:56   unresolved you've got yours now though I

00:15:59   did send you some yes what do you what

00:16:01   are your thoughts now that you've seen

00:16:02   them in the in the real life flesh I

00:16:04   absolutely love that istick they're not

00:16:05   actually made of flesh of course dude

00:16:07   that would be weird not stoppers if that

00:16:12   if a ki fingers I'd opened up an

00:16:16   envelope and gotten some flesh based on

00:16:18   Stoppers I don't think we would

00:16:19   recording this podcast right now I think

00:16:21   our relationship would be terminated

00:16:23   least a chump is would have liked him

00:16:24   you know we can't train mr. jumpers on

00:16:26   human flesh that's the be very much

00:16:29   against the training that we're working

00:16:30   very hard with with him all right

00:16:31   there's no joking about mr. choppers

00:16:33   training sorry it's absolutely serious

00:16:34   no it's great it's great seeing them as

00:16:36   a whole big bunch and I feel like it it

00:16:39   it compels the mind with fun ideas

00:16:42   seeing a big a big bunch of hot stoppers

00:16:44   like that have you actually used one

00:16:45   though to stop hotness I have not yet

00:16:47   used one to stop hotness I promise when

00:16:51   I do when I do use a the first hot

00:16:54   stopper to stop hotness I'll post it up

00:16:57   on on Twitter or on my second channel

00:16:59   somewhere so so people can see the

00:17:00   virgin use of a hot stopper so many

00:17:03   people have responded to it I guess we

00:17:05   should just shout out to all the people

00:17:07   who had something to say about our

00:17:10   discussion last episode about the

00:17:12   astronauts dressing up for Halloween oh

00:17:14   man I've got to say yeah there was a

00:17:16   there was so much feedback about this

00:17:18   and this this is also one of those

00:17:20   moments where even after what we've been

00:17:23   doing this show together now what 10

00:17:24   years I my ability to predict what

00:17:28   people are going to comment on about in

00:17:30   the show I feel like it's not even it's

00:17:32   not even bad it's it's like my

00:17:34   predictions are exactly opposites like

00:17:36   if we if we just reversed with my

00:17:38   predictions would be that would be the

00:17:40   truth and I thought like oh the

00:17:41   astronaut thing like oh no I was

00:17:42   probably going to talk about that and

00:17:43   then I was I was deeply

00:17:45   concerned like out of mind that there's

00:17:46   gonna be so much feedback about the 9/11

00:17:48   memorial it's like there that 9/11

00:17:51   memorial thumbs down I don't like it it

00:17:53   stinks right and it's like feedback a

00:17:55   couple of comments that agree and mostly

00:17:57   silence silence right but astronauts

00:17:59   have dressed up as a minion is like boom

00:18:01   so much feedback so much feedback and I

00:18:05   felt like you were kind of backed into a

00:18:07   corner by a lot of that feedback I mean

00:18:09   I feel like I brought it upon myself to

00:18:12   a degree because I was quite flamboyant

00:18:16   about it you know I was quite

00:18:18   over-the-top in my criticism maybe that

00:18:20   caused some of the pushback but also it

00:18:23   was overwhelmingly people disagree with

00:18:27   my position hmm they disagree that it

00:18:30   was silly and wrong for them to dress up

00:18:33   as spider-man and minions and that that

00:18:36   I read I've read almost all of the

00:18:38   feedback and I have to say having read

00:18:40   all the feedback and absorbed it taken

00:18:42   in what people had to say I'm pretty

00:18:44   much unmoved

00:18:46   from my position I still think I think

00:18:49   all the people responding have maybe

00:18:54   misunderstood that they've definitely

00:18:55   have misunderstood some of my criticism

00:18:57   because I certainly don't really blame

00:18:59   the astronauts for it you know some

00:19:00   people I felt like were going in to bat

00:19:01   for the astronauts but I also think some

00:19:04   of the feedback was maybe a little naive

00:19:07   as to hell NASA works and life on the

00:19:11   space station works and how tightly

00:19:13   controlled the media operation is with

00:19:15   anything necessarily 'td I think people

00:19:17   had in their minds the idea that the

00:19:22   astronauts were sitting around on the

00:19:24   ISS drinking their morning coffee you

00:19:27   know their day off on Halloween thinking

00:19:30   about what to do and came up with the

00:19:32   idea that they were going to do a fun

00:19:34   thing and take a photograph of it and

00:19:37   then then if you are complaining about

00:19:40   them in their Halloween costumes it

00:19:42   seems like you are the world's biggest

00:19:44   Grinch but it's yes like hey these guys

00:19:47   are on a break they should be allowed to

00:19:48   just you know be themselves yes there

00:19:50   was an enormous amount of shouldn't

00:19:52   astronauts be allowed to have spare time

00:19:56   ss and I think like this this really

00:20:00   this really drives to the heart about

00:20:04   what's occurring here like if you if you

00:20:07   think this is a spontaneous outburst

00:20:09   from the astronauts and they were just

00:20:11   doing a thing because it was fun to them

00:20:14   oh yeah no one in the world is going to

00:20:16   have a problem with that but I think you

00:20:18   know even even I who do not follow space

00:20:21   very much know that like their time is

00:20:24   incredibly regulated on there like they

00:20:27   are so scheduled that my you know maybe

00:20:30   I'm wrong but I'd be willing to bet my

00:20:32   entire net worth that those things are

00:20:35   scheduled zaniness right for PR purposes

00:20:38   that that's what it is and and I think

00:20:42   that that that's the the feedback that

00:20:44   you were getting is the idea like if

00:20:46   it's genuine than you you are like a

00:20:48   monster but if it's scheduled zaniness

00:20:50   like that's a very different that's a

00:20:53   very different thing yeah if these

00:20:55   people you know took this stuff up

00:20:57   because they wanted to do something for

00:20:58   their own kids or something mm-hmm okay

00:21:00   if you want to go with that story you

00:21:03   can go with it but like they're there in

00:21:04   the they're there in the PR position all

00:21:07   those like the group in front of the TV

00:21:09   camera the sheduled downlink like this

00:21:12   was not something that just happened and

00:21:13   someone down at Mission Control said oh

00:21:15   that's classic let's let's grab this for

00:21:17   the cameras as well yeah like this was a

00:21:19   no this wasn't what a magical Stefani's

00:21:21   moment the other argument that really

00:21:23   all the arguments people were making I

00:21:25   didn't really agree with but you know

00:21:26   you know it's a bit unfair I have the

00:21:28   microphone so it's not fair that I just

00:21:30   you know they have to have their say as

00:21:32   well and I and I have read their say but

00:21:34   this whole thing about our even

00:21:36   astronauts need to relax and decompress

00:21:37   and do fun things like of course that of

00:21:40   course and astronauts have do have a lot

00:21:42   of time off on the space station and

00:21:44   their time off is very protected by the

00:21:46   way like getting getting you know

00:21:48   getting someone to do work on the space

00:21:50   station during their break is a is a big

00:21:52   deal they do have a lot of their own

00:21:53   time and films and things to do and and

00:21:57   the other thing that again was driving

00:22:00   me a bit crazy was this whole inspiring

00:22:02   kids like I don't think that's the way

00:22:06   to inspire kids to become an astronaut

00:22:08   and if it effect

00:22:09   is the way to inspire kids to become an

00:22:11   astronaut I'm a bit worried about the

00:22:13   sort of people who want to become

00:22:13   astronauts oh my god like like people

00:22:16   are saying are some kid dressed as

00:22:18   spider-man we'll take a lot of

00:22:19   inspiration from seeing an astronaut

00:22:22   dressed up as spider-man that was crap

00:22:23   kids dress up as astronauts that's what

00:22:26   kids dressing up spider-man so anyway

00:22:34   anyway look I don't want to like dredge

00:22:35   it all up again I've read all the

00:22:37   feedback and like I get that people

00:22:39   disagree and I'm yet to read something

00:22:43   that has made me change my mind I think

00:22:45   I have dealt with astronauts and

00:22:48   International Space Station things

00:22:50   before and they are very tightly

00:22:54   controlled all the photos and the videos

00:22:56   that come down anything that's publicly

00:22:58   released has layers upon layers of

00:23:01   bureaucracy involved and if you think

00:23:04   this was just a bunch of cheeky

00:23:05   astronauts doing something for fun and

00:23:06   then saying look what we did know when

00:23:08   you what we were up to maybe you're

00:23:10   right I don't know I don't know the

00:23:12   actual details of this case but I would

00:23:14   be very very surprised by that there is

00:23:18   an item in our show notes which I think

00:23:19   is maybe one of the oldest things in our

00:23:22   show notes that I know I listed in one

00:23:23   of them for like their first 10 episodes

00:23:25   which was this this very idea of like

00:23:28   inspiring someone to become an astronaut

00:23:31   and like I just will never actually

00:23:34   really do it as a full topic so I'll

00:23:35   just mention it now but like I find that

00:23:37   stuff raising making because it we you

00:23:41   know my feeling is always like guess

00:23:44   what hard things are hard you want to

00:23:46   become an astronaut it's hard like this

00:23:49   is one of the hardest career paths you

00:23:51   could go down and I remember there's

00:23:54   like so much in in the sciences of this

00:23:57   this idea of like we want to encourage

00:23:59   more people to do physics and it's like

00:24:01   okay great

00:24:02   what's your plan how do you want to make

00:24:03   more people do physics right because

00:24:04   physics graduates are super valuable and

00:24:06   the answer was always the same thing the

00:24:08   answer was oh well we're going to

00:24:10   inspire more people to go into physics

00:24:11   by dumbing down the physics right by

00:24:13   doing all kinds of demos and flashy

00:24:16   stuff that has nothing to do with what

00:24:20   actual physics is

00:24:22   and okay if this even works it's just a

00:24:26   it's just a trick right like the you you

00:24:29   are hood winking someone into a career

00:24:33   in which they're totally gonna fail or

00:24:35   do poorly because like guess what

00:24:37   physics is actually a whole bunch bunch

00:24:39   of math and I like I feel so strongly

00:24:41   about it because like the whole reason

00:24:43   why as a kid I felt quote inspired to go

00:24:47   into physics was precisely because it

00:24:49   felt like a sanctuary of like oh thank

00:24:52   god like here's a subject that is just

00:24:55   hard but it's also clear and crisp and

00:24:59   there's no ambiguity and there's no

00:25:01   nonsense and so I always worry that this

00:25:04   kind of stuff actually pushes away the

00:25:07   kinds of people that you want to go into

00:25:10   those fields and and anybody that it

00:25:14   encourages it's not actually helpful

00:25:16   like I totally agree with you like if

00:25:18   some kid sees an astronaut dressed up as

00:25:20   spider-man and decides that he's going

00:25:23   to become an astronaut based on that

00:25:25   like that kids not gonna be an astronaut

00:25:27   it's not gonna happen no they're

00:25:29   probably not cut from the right cloth

00:25:30   yeah I mean III could I can see a

00:25:32   counter-argument I can see a

00:25:34   counter-argument that maybe there will

00:25:36   be a bunch of people who will be reached

00:25:37   by this photo that had never considered

00:25:39   aerospace before and this is the this

00:25:42   was the tiny little spark that lit the

00:25:45   fire when they looked into it further

00:25:46   they found other things that were more

00:25:48   legitimate about aerospace that appealed

00:25:50   to them so I think there is a an

00:25:52   alternative argument but the thing is

00:25:56   astronaut is a job that hasn't even got

00:25:58   that problem because the best renautas

00:26:00   like go and go in massive fiery rockets

00:26:03   in there in this extreme environment

00:26:04   everything about the astronaut job is

00:26:07   quite kind of you know sexy anyway it's

00:26:09   not like it's not like a job where

00:26:11   there's like a paucity of applicants

00:26:13   yeah I'm willing to bet there are way

00:26:15   more people applying to at at school

00:26:17   then astronaut school let's in it's

00:26:20   really really hard to become an

00:26:21   astronaut because everybody wants to do

00:26:23   it so they don't they have no PR problem

00:26:25   here right and also and so you know do

00:26:28   you think people want to become

00:26:30   basketballs because they once saw

00:26:32   Michael Jordan dress up as spider-man no

00:26:34   they saw him playing

00:26:36   basket ball and thought well playing

00:26:38   basketball looks awesome I want to be a

00:26:40   basketball er it's the same for the

00:26:42   astronauts just being astronauts is cool

00:26:44   enough but there is this weird idea like

00:26:46   oh we're gonna get people go do a thing

00:26:48   by showing them the thing in a way that

00:26:50   it isn't it's like that's the terrible

00:26:53   idea but yeah the astronauts cool wing

00:26:56   oversubscribed I think they're turning a

00:26:58   lot of people away at the gate or like

00:27:00   I'm sorry we can't let you interact not

00:27:01   school because so many people who are

00:27:03   applying go like guess what we need to

00:27:06   take the best of the best like you need

00:27:08   to be super smart and an incredible

00:27:10   physical condition in order to get into

00:27:12   astronaut school it's a fright stuff

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00:29:02   last episode I asked feedback on whether

00:29:05   or not normal

00:29:06   photography settings can trigger an

00:29:09   epileptic seizure and I'm here to report

00:29:12   that the feedback I received was exactly

00:29:15   zero items of feedback right nothing

00:29:18   I heard absolutely nothing and what are

00:29:21   you saying he's saying people with

00:29:22   epilepsy are not interactive yes Brady

00:29:26   that's the correct no whatever are lazy

00:29:30   you are lazy people with epilepsy you

00:29:32   should be on the reddit helping us out

00:29:34   on a podcast if you ask her feedback and

00:29:36   and you know the audience is hello in

00:29:38   chat audience like you're gonna get a

00:29:39   lot of feedback I think there is

00:29:41   probably nothing that people would love

00:29:43   to talk about more than their own

00:29:45   medical problems like so you're asking

00:29:46   for medical problem feedback it's like

00:29:48   BAM people love that conversation right

00:29:50   like let me tell you all about all my

00:29:52   medical problems right they're like oh

00:29:53   my god I have a cousin with his exact

00:29:54   medical problem so my feeling that like

00:29:57   I heard nothing just just yeah

00:30:00   tumbleweeds on an infinite Oasis it was

00:30:03   it was nothing it just 100% confirmed to

00:30:06   me that this is one of these many fake

00:30:08   safety things right that someone has the

00:30:11   idea that this can occur this is the

00:30:14   camera flashes this is the camera single

00:30:17   camera flashes causing a problem during

00:30:18   school photos yeah that this this idea

00:30:21   is written down because someone just

00:30:23   thinks it's a possibility and then it

00:30:26   it's like an idea that spreads and

00:30:29   metastasizes across a whole variety of

00:30:32   industries because nobody wants to be

00:30:34   the person who contradicts the idea that

00:30:36   like a camera flash can cause an

00:30:39   epileptic seizure

00:30:40   so maybe I'm wrong maybe this week will

00:30:43   be the actual feedback but I'm I'm

00:30:45   guessing not I'm guessing not on that

00:30:46   one fake safety and by the way all the

00:30:49   people who have admonished gray and I

00:30:52   for causing a problem in their

00:30:55   productivity and workflow because we

00:30:57   introduced

00:30:59   you will get no apology from us because

00:31:02   we could not have warned you anymore

00:31:04   that that game would take a lot of your

00:31:05   time but my goodness a lot of people

00:31:07   seem to have gotten into that oh my god

00:31:09   I have to say I did really enjoy that

00:31:11   because because I feel like this has

00:31:14   happened enough in my own life I'm

00:31:15   minding my own business and then

00:31:17   something blows a tremendous

00:31:19   productivity hole right through the

00:31:21   center of my life I like I think

00:31:23   everybody knows this experience and I

00:31:25   did get some some unreasonable amount of

00:31:28   joy from seeing all the people replying

00:31:29   on Twitter saying like I know that you

00:31:31   warned me but nonetheless I had no idea

00:31:34   right it's like I've lost two days so I

00:31:37   feel like we were 100% in the clear on

00:31:39   that because yes we could we could not

00:31:41   have warned more clearly but people

00:31:43   still click the button and many of them

00:31:45   click the button in situations that they

00:31:47   totally knew they should have clicked it

00:31:49   but there you go

00:31:50   so universal paper clips it is spreading

00:31:55   replicating throughout the world I had a

00:31:57   nice little bit of feedback because the

00:31:59   person who made the game he this is

00:32:02   Frank lat Frank Lance and he tweeted to

00:32:06   the soon after the podcast came out I

00:32:08   can't believe I got the numberphile guy

00:32:10   I'm so happy

00:32:11   oh that's great that's great so he feels

00:32:16   like he's fishing in the world as well

00:32:18   right he was like who else didn't I

00:32:19   catch in my book I told him that he was

00:32:23   responsible for probably preventing the

00:32:25   release of possibly two numberphile

00:32:27   videos as a result of making that game

00:32:29   yeah that's good Oh actually you know

00:32:32   what there is something that was really

00:32:33   grinding my gears over the feedback on

00:32:35   this but I just want to mention before I

00:32:36   forget and it was this okay so listeners

00:32:41   I need to explain something about

00:32:42   podcasts and conversations to you right

00:32:44   now just just because a thing is not

00:32:49   explicitly mentioned does not mean that

00:32:52   Brady and I do not know about the thing

00:32:54   and I I saw so many comments from people

00:32:58   who were saying a variation of I can't

00:33:01   believe that gray doesn't know about cow

00:33:04   clicker games or Idol games like I can't

00:33:06   believe he's never come across one of

00:33:09   these things before that is outrageous

00:33:11   and shocking to me that he's never seen

00:33:13   a game in

00:33:13   in this genre before how ridiculous and

00:33:16   they're like showing me a bunch of these

00:33:17   different things I feel like like when

00:33:19   we were having that conversation I was

00:33:21   making reference to these other like

00:33:24   game mechanics that are quite cheap

00:33:26   that's like guys that start was

00:33:28   referring to or even even if I didn't

00:33:30   say that is that it's like yes it would

00:33:31   be quite shocking if someone who likes

00:33:33   games a lot had never come across one of

00:33:34   these games but like the amount of

00:33:36   feedback I don't know this just there's

00:33:37   something about this that drives me

00:33:39   crazy you know better than this by now

00:33:42   I need internet exists for people to try

00:33:45   to say they know something that someone

00:33:46   else does I know I know

00:33:48   but I'll just as I'm saying it out loud

00:33:50   I'm just realizing I have to reek at

00:33:53   agura's this in my mind as the that you

00:33:56   forgot to mention feedback on videos

00:33:59   right which also drives me crazy or it's

00:34:01   like yeah yeah I started with 20,000

00:34:03   words and I went down to a thousand

00:34:04   words like you trust me I didn't forget

00:34:06   to mention a thing like the most obvious

00:34:07   thing so the only thing that would have

00:34:09   been more annoying is if someone said oh

00:34:10   this is stupid podcast X talked about

00:34:13   this game three weeks ago someone else

00:34:18   has already spoken about this therefore

00:34:20   it is forbidden to speak about it ever

00:34:22   again

00:34:22   yeah yeah that would be another kind of

00:34:24   feedback so I just I just want to

00:34:27   mention right now like I have played a

00:34:28   lot of these kind of games and I don't

00:34:30   like all of them if if you listen to

00:34:33   that section about Universal paperclips

00:34:35   and you were thinking oh this is just

00:34:37   another one of these clicker type games

00:34:39   I just want to make it really clear this

00:34:41   game validates the existence of the

00:34:45   entire genre which i think is mostly

00:34:48   boring and a kind of a kind of

00:34:53   psychological unfun this trap but like

00:34:56   this game is different so if you heard

00:34:58   that and you didn't didn't try it

00:35:00   because you know what kind of game were

00:35:02   talking about try it anyway like I

00:35:05   really really think this is this is the

00:35:08   diamond in the rough before this genre

00:35:10   can I plug something of mine what would

00:35:12   you like to plug Grady I want to plug

00:35:14   one of my oldest youtube channels which

00:35:17   is periodic videos which is my chemistry

00:35:20   youtube channel mmm and I want to plug

00:35:22   it for a very specific reason and that

00:35:23   is Professor Sir Martin Polyakov

00:35:27   who is the star of most of the videos

00:35:29   he's the professor with the big fuzzy

00:35:32   gray hair I've been working with him for

00:35:34   many many years he's a dear friend he's

00:35:37   also he's also responsible for a lot of

00:35:40   my other subsequent work like he's been

00:35:43   a key plank in a lot of my channels

00:35:45   getting to where they've gotten so he's

00:35:46   been a very important part of my youtube

00:35:48   career he is turning 70 years old in the

00:35:54   next week or two as we are recording now

00:35:56   I think let me check his birthday yeah

00:35:59   16th of December 16th of December on the

00:36:02   16th of December he is turning 70 this

00:36:06   is in the in the year 2017 if you're

00:36:09   listening in the far future so and like

00:36:13   you know I don't we don't get each other

00:36:15   birthday presents or anything but if

00:36:16   there's one thing that sir Martin is

00:36:19   truly obsessed with it is periodic

00:36:23   videos youtube channel statistics hey

00:36:26   like he follows them much more than a

00:36:28   distinguished professor with

00:36:30   responsibility and anytime we reach any

00:36:34   milestone or are about to reach any

00:36:36   milestone or anything happens across

00:36:38   numerous videos he'll be like well this

00:36:40   video we made two years ago just passed

00:36:42   a million views and LU like he's he's

00:36:45   watching it day and night he's got his

00:36:46   eye on the ball he's got his eye on the

00:36:48   bowl and almost exactly on his 70th

00:36:53   birthday periodic videos the channel is

00:36:55   due to hit you know probably the

00:36:57   milestone of milestones that our YouTube

00:36:59   channel hits and that is 1 million

00:37:02   subscribers yeah that's the big one

00:37:04   that's a big one that's that's the one

00:37:07   that people make a song and dance about

00:37:08   and they give you a gold button etc yeah

00:37:09   I think that I think the million

00:37:11   subscribers is a bigger deal than the 10

00:37:13   million subscribers buy a lot like that

00:37:15   that is the biggest milestone that a

00:37:17   channel can cross yeah

00:37:19   martin is excited about this upcoming

00:37:23   thing and he has noted that it could

00:37:25   have happened on his birthday although

00:37:28   looking at sort of some of the

00:37:29   projections and the statistics our our

00:37:32   projected million subscriber number has

00:37:35   now drifted out slightly to slightly

00:37:36   beyond his birthday

00:37:38   where my plea to the hello internet

00:37:39   listeners this comes in if you have a

00:37:42   YouTube account and your YouTube person

00:37:44   and you haven't subscribed to periodic

00:37:46   videos but you think maybe you would or

00:37:49   you've never looked at it and it might

00:37:50   interest you now would be a really nice

00:37:52   time for you to do it for me because I

00:37:55   would love to skate close to a million

00:37:57   in time for his birthday I think maybe

00:37:59   we won't quite do it but I I would like

00:38:01   to try and this is my play I'm not

00:38:04   asking you to subscribe to the channel

00:38:05   if like you're aware of it and dislike

00:38:08   it and what nothing to do with fair

00:38:12   enough there's not much I can say that

00:38:13   but if you've never looked at her or you

00:38:15   or you'd like it but you just never got

00:38:17   around to subscribing to it and you you

00:38:18   are ever likely to now is a good time to

00:38:21   do it because I'd like to get close for

00:38:23   Sir Martin's birthday because he's he's

00:38:25   he means a lot to me yeah and I think

00:38:27   this is this is a good time to dimension

00:38:29   the the channel to try to hit this mark

00:38:31   because if you listen back at at earlier

00:38:34   shows you can hear me sometimes

00:38:35   speculate about who on earth would be

00:38:37   listening to this podcast who doesn't

00:38:38   know our YouTube channels I am aware

00:38:41   that that over time that ratio has

00:38:44   drifted that we do have more and more

00:38:47   listeners who have come across the

00:38:49   podcast and really don't know very much

00:38:52   about our YouTube careers in any way so

00:38:55   if you are also one of those listeners

00:38:57   now who back in the early days I suspect

00:39:00   it couldn't possibly exist but now I do

00:39:02   know exists in serious numbers this is

00:39:05   an excellent time to go check out

00:39:06   periodic videos and go subscribe right

00:39:09   and and take a look at take a look at

00:39:11   that channel if you are one of those

00:39:13   listeners who knows the podcast and

00:39:15   doesn't follow our YouTube channels go

00:39:16   go subscribe to periodic videos go check

00:39:19   it out go to go take a look at it it's a

00:39:21   it's a it's a channel that's going

00:39:23   through a bit of a change at the moment

00:39:25   to for me it's it's something that I've

00:39:28   been starting to think differently about

00:39:29   this particular channel it's one of my

00:39:31   oldest and it's funny and I know you've

00:39:33   been going through a little bit of this

00:39:34   too maybe with your channel but when you

00:39:35   do a youtube channel for a long time you

00:39:38   occasionally go through I don't know

00:39:39   it's like the YouTube equivalent of like

00:39:41   a midlife crisis and you start and you

00:39:43   start thinking where am I going what am

00:39:45   i doing what's the point of this and a

00:39:47   lot of my channels have sort of been

00:39:48   continuing business as usual but

00:39:50   periodic videos as one

00:39:51   really revisiting in my head at the

00:39:53   moment so it's an interesting time to be

00:39:56   subscribing maybe okay so well how how

00:39:59   old is periodic videos oh man

00:40:02   I'll scared you'd ask that it looks like

00:40:05   it started in June 2008 oh my god

00:40:09   yeah okay in YouTube land that that's

00:40:12   more than it's more than just a midlife

00:40:14   crisis that's that's a pretty what you

00:40:17   think I'm on death's door that's a WoW

00:40:20   Wow I had I had no idea it was that old

00:40:24   yeah that's very old okay right okay I'm

00:40:31   sorry oh sorry let me rephrase that but

00:40:33   you you are an established presence on

00:40:35   YouTube that's that's for sure Brady you

00:40:37   are you are very established with pure

00:40:39   yo air would a statesman you are in the

00:40:41   elder statesman career transition of

00:40:44   your channel what are you thinking of

00:40:45   well the thing is the way period video

00:40:47   started was making a video about every

00:40:49   element on the periodic table right and

00:40:51   that we did 118 really really quickly

00:40:54   mm-hmm for various reasons like like I'm

00:40:56   talking like six or seven weeks fast

00:40:59   like so we we did a lot of videos really

00:41:01   quickly on all the elements and a lot of

00:41:04   them for that reason were kind of you

00:41:07   know rushed and half-baked and some of

00:41:09   them are just like you know 20 30

00:41:10   seconds and not much is said and and

00:41:12   then once the channel sort of became a

00:41:14   little bit successful more than we

00:41:15   expected we thought okay well I guess

00:41:18   we'll keep this channel going now and

00:41:19   let's redo all the elements so that was

00:41:22   the plan we're gonna redo each element

00:41:24   video and make them more elaborate more

00:41:26   detail and more experiments to make them

00:41:28   you know more of a thing to watch hmm

00:41:30   but then as the channel kind of evolved

00:41:33   and it became like a general chemistry

00:41:34   channel not just about the elements we

00:41:37   started doing other stuff and we started

00:41:38   kind of you know drinking the the the

00:41:42   addictive potion of the occasional viral

00:41:45   video doing silly things and and and you

00:41:48   know having travels and adventures and

00:41:50   making all these chemistry videos and we

00:41:51   could have only updated elements very

00:41:54   occasionally mm-hmm and those videos

00:41:57   have just kind of you know wallowed in

00:41:58   history I mean they're they're really

00:42:00   old now they're nearly 10 years old but

00:42:01   away a lot of people visit the channel

00:42:04   is to watch the element video isn't

00:42:06   stuck going through the elements mhm and

00:42:08   I've now realized that's bit

00:42:09   embarrassing because it's like oh gosh

00:42:11   some of these videos are really old they

00:42:12   really low resolution there no any of

00:42:15   the quality of the videos we'd make now

00:42:16   so I've kind of really got it in my head

00:42:19   no we need to abandon all this other

00:42:21   frivolous stuff and get back to basics

00:42:24   and redo all the element videos and I

00:42:28   want almost all of our releases now to

00:42:30   be you know a redux of an element video

00:42:33   so that's what we've done the last few

00:42:35   and that's what we're recording at the

00:42:36   moment and these days when Sir Martin

00:42:38   calls me up and says oh I've got a crazy

00:42:39   idea for some experiment or some

00:42:42   chemistry thing we're doing nine times

00:42:44   out of ten I'm saying to him no no we

00:42:46   are redoing the elements we're totally

00:42:49   focusing on that and even though these

00:42:51   videos will never be viral in the way

00:42:54   that dipping a cheeseburger and acid or

00:42:56   loving something up is likely to give

00:42:58   you the occasional viral video I've kind

00:43:01   of said I'm not interested in that

00:43:02   anymore I'm more interested in the

00:43:05   legacy of these hundred and eighteen

00:43:06   element videos and at the moment you

00:43:08   know some of them are just too outdated

00:43:10   so that's where that's where I want to

00:43:12   take the channel now and I think Martin

00:43:15   and other people in the chemistry

00:43:16   department at the University of

00:43:18   Nottingham are kind of on board with me

00:43:20   on that so that's the new direction less

00:43:22   less look at me like fun fun time things

00:43:26   and more back to where we started so you

00:43:29   are you are d viraling the channel yeah

00:43:35   in a way yeah it's like yeah I'm I'm

00:43:37   less worried about I'm less worried

00:43:40   about sort of you count and hitting

00:43:43   hitting new people by being

00:43:44   attention-seeking hmm you know there

00:43:47   will be there'll be no more dressing up

00:43:48   at Halloween this is kind of what I'm

00:43:51   wondering right is it actually ties

00:43:52   quite nicely into the previous

00:43:54   conversation yeah you're not you're not

00:43:56   pulling these these stunts for the for

00:43:58   the chemistry PR department right yeah

00:44:00   you're doing you're doing some meat and

00:44:02   potatoes periodic video we revisiting

00:44:05   and look it looks like at the time of

00:44:07   recording you've done four of these

00:44:08   these new ones so far

00:44:10   helium francium technician and nickel

00:44:13   yeah they're the most they're the most

00:44:14   recent ones and I've got chromium coming

00:44:17   up pretty shortly as well

00:44:18   yeah I mean I we have been updating

00:44:19   element of element videos all through

00:44:21   the project so occasionally we do drop

00:44:23   an element update but now that's what

00:44:25   all I want us to do hmm

00:44:27   so that eventually when people say whom

00:44:29   I'm gonna sit back on what Shaw 118

00:44:31   right all of them are gonna be good

00:44:32   right at the moment some of them are

00:44:34   good and people will say oh I can't

00:44:36   believe your video on element X is like

00:44:38   you know that's nowhere near as good as

00:44:39   your other ones that's what I want to

00:44:41   fix yeah well I'm looking a looking at

00:44:42   your channel and the oldest one that's

00:44:46   listed as an element video is Cobalts

00:44:49   from from nine years ago and in dramatic

00:44:54   480p resolution and what I really like

00:44:58   is it's not even a full 480p because it

00:45:00   looks like you hard exported the black

00:45:03   bars around the video so it's actually

00:45:04   in the it's in the center of the screen

00:45:07   it's not taking up the full YouTube

00:45:08   player so yeah I didn't I didn't do that

00:45:11   though respectively like when you first

00:45:13   watch that back in the day that would

00:45:15   have taken up the whole screen but

00:45:16   something changed at some point and a

00:45:18   whole bunch of my videos suddenly got

00:45:19   black bars all around them they're

00:45:21   really old ones and you know that's only

00:45:23   a minute forty long and me three hundred

00:45:26   thousand people have watched it which

00:45:27   I'm a bit embarrassed by now because

00:45:28   people love going through and watching

00:45:30   the whole collection and that's what I

00:45:31   want to change when people go through

00:45:33   and watch the whole collection hmm

00:45:34   because the thing I guess I haven't

00:45:36   pointed out is periodic videos also has

00:45:37   its own website which is an entire

00:45:39   periodic table and you can click on any

00:45:42   given element and watch the video on

00:45:44   that element from YouTube so it's kind

00:45:46   of like a you know picking chocolates

00:45:48   from a chocolate box right so it is it

00:45:50   is a kind of snacking channel in that

00:45:51   way where people like to like get on a

00:45:54   streak and go through the elements and

00:45:55   that's where we get found out by the old

00:45:57   videos of it so aren't you afraid though

00:45:59   that if you if you diva roll the channel

00:46:01   that you will fall on the on the bad

00:46:03   side of the algorithm mm-hmm I had been

00:46:05   thinking about that but I don't know I

00:46:07   think I think I think of this channel

00:46:09   differently

00:46:09   I don't think of this channel as like a

00:46:12   business enterprise like that hmm so I

00:46:16   don't worry about that I think I think

00:46:19   this channel always has a different role

00:46:20   to play do you think I'm doing the right

00:46:22   thing well I don't know I here's the

00:46:26   thing Brady you you have what makes you

00:46:30   different Brady and what makes

00:46:31   special is you are a man with many

00:46:34   YouTube channels so I think you unlike

00:46:38   many other people who would be in the

00:46:40   YouTube space this like this is this is

00:46:42   part of a periodic videos is like part

00:46:45   of a Brady portfolio of channels and so

00:46:49   I think you would have less to worry

00:46:52   about if you were going to de vie roll a

00:46:55   channel and and get sort of go back to

00:46:58   basics go back to the beginning and and

00:46:59   redo a bunch of stuff I don't think it's

00:47:02   a bad idea

00:47:04   but but I feel more I feel more

00:47:07   comfortable saying that because you have

00:47:10   a bunch of other channels right and

00:47:12   there but also the thing to bear in mind

00:47:13   with periodic videos is it does have

00:47:16   like nearly a million subscribers so and

00:47:19   although I'd never realized a lot of

00:47:21   them and not active mmm and I also

00:47:23   realize that subscribers don't

00:47:24   necessarily mean everyone finds out

00:47:26   about your videos I do feel like the

00:47:28   channels big enough that it can that it

00:47:32   can give people just you know kind of

00:47:33   what they signed up for and I don't have

00:47:35   to worry about pandering to people who

00:47:38   aren't interested like I feel a bit like

00:47:40   I want to service the actual audience

00:47:43   and not not be preoccupied with new

00:47:45   audience so I'm saying some ways I'm

00:47:48   happy just as I'm happy just to feed the

00:47:51   existing audience and hope that new

00:47:52   audience comes on just gradually who

00:47:54   appreciate it for what it is and not for

00:47:57   you know crazy occasional craziness so

00:48:02   okay I got to say that the new videos

00:48:04   aren't gonna like have awesome

00:48:05   explosions they're just not going to be

00:48:08   they're just not going to be dressed up

00:48:09   in that way they're gonna be more you

00:48:12   know here's the elements brain it'll be

00:48:13   cool stuff in the video the whole idea

00:48:15   is that the video is that all the videos

00:48:17   are cornea right right but it's not

00:48:18   gonna be like you know as gimmicky well

00:48:23   okay here's questions you you were doing

00:48:27   explicit remakes of your old videos

00:48:30   right now and I understand like is a

00:48:33   very different very different thing from

00:48:35   the way they were produced in the

00:48:36   beginning to the way that they're done

00:48:37   now alright and this is like a long

00:48:39   period of time and there are many

00:48:40   factors here I almost don't want to say

00:48:42   it I almost don't want to put the idea

00:48:43   in your mind but do you have any

00:48:45   worries that that there's some kind of

00:48:48   magic to the earlier videos like that

00:48:52   even though to your eye they seem like

00:48:55   you as the Creator you can just see like

00:48:58   oh this is older and and it's shorter

00:49:01   like but do you think maybe that part of

00:49:03   the reason that the channel is

00:49:04   successful is because those earlier

00:49:06   videos were produced the way they were

00:49:08   and and and people like them and do you

00:49:11   worry basically about replacing the old

00:49:13   ones with the new ones that maybe it's

00:49:16   not quite the same I mean we're not

00:49:18   taking down the old ones obviously

00:49:19   undulating them there there is like

00:49:21   version one hmm

00:49:22   and when you say remake it's not like

00:49:24   I'm doing like experiments that we did

00:49:26   before we should be shooting them in

00:49:27   most of the case we're replacing 45

00:49:30   seconds of the guide talking it is desk

00:49:31   with ten minutes of experiments and

00:49:34   samples and better stories and no

00:49:36   creation okay so it's not so the reap so

00:49:39   calling like a remake it's not like a

00:49:41   shot-for-shot remake of psycho or

00:49:43   something like that it is more of a

00:49:45   exactly what I had in my mind is like a

00:49:48   shot-for-shot remake of psycho right

00:49:49   it's like oh god it just doesn't work

00:49:50   it's terribly poor yes it's not we're

00:49:54   not doing that they are they are

00:49:55   brand-new videos with all new stuff and

00:49:58   new information but I think the charm of

00:50:02   the old videos you know they were of

00:50:03   their time and like you and they feel

00:50:07   like they're off their time now people

00:50:08   expect different things from YouTube

00:50:10   videos now different production

00:50:11   qualities different pacing different

00:50:15   stuff in the videos and you know we

00:50:19   became successful because no one else

00:50:21   was doing it you know no one else was

00:50:22   doing something as crazy as making a

00:50:23   video about every single element but

00:50:25   people expect different things now so

00:50:27   I'm not I'm not worried about that I

00:50:29   think the things that make the channel

00:50:31   what it is are still there like a

00:50:33   chattiness and the professor and seeing

00:50:36   real stuff happening in real labs and

00:50:39   real scientists talking and Martin's

00:50:42   personality and and a kind of a homemade

00:50:45   feel to them which I'm still keeping you

00:50:47   know it's not like I'm suddenly putting

00:50:49   everything on tripods and making like a

00:50:51   whole new look yes yeah trying to make

00:50:54   them better yeah actually

00:50:56   it's I think that's a good point that

00:50:58   you make there because I

00:50:59   I often I often find that some stuff

00:51:02   that I I watch like when when the

00:51:06   upgrades like the new studio and it and

00:51:08   it becomes more professional it somehow

00:51:09   feels like oh it's not quite the same

00:51:11   right is it and yes it's it's good to

00:51:15   hear that you're you're you're keeping

00:51:17   that particular no it's still supposed

00:51:19   to be unprofessional you know when

00:51:21   things go wrong it stays in the video

00:51:23   and you know those human moments are

00:51:25   staying in it's just it's more about

00:51:27   just making putting more in the videos

00:51:28   and taking more time on the movie

00:51:30   because we're in such a rush the first

00:51:31   time and and now we're not in a rush

00:51:34   well if you're making them longer and

00:51:36   then and the rumor is about the

00:51:39   algorithm are true then maybe this is

00:51:41   this is the best move you could possibly

00:51:42   make right thank you the YouTube

00:51:44   algorithm apparently loves long videos

00:51:45   and keeping people on the on the site as

00:51:47   long as possible

00:51:48   so a hundred and eighteen fifteen to

00:51:52   twenty minute long videos that's a

00:51:53   that's a pretty pretty big chunk of

00:51:55   people's time and attention that YouTube

00:51:57   could could could get from them people

00:51:59   oh I say that but long videos are any

00:52:01   good at keeping people on the channel of

00:52:02   people watch the long video yeah I know

00:52:06   and I'm not I'm not very I'm not super

00:52:09   convinced by that theory anyway

00:52:11   is the CGP grey channel going through a

00:52:13   midlife crisis yeah or you know it's an

00:52:15   interesting thing because this summer I

00:52:19   realized that YouTube is now the longest

00:52:24   job I've ever had which was which is

00:52:27   just a strange realization for me that's

00:52:31   just happen to maintain oh yeah yeah huh

00:52:35   how do you how do you feel about that

00:52:37   strange no yeah my mental framework just

00:52:41   does not match this I think it's partly

00:52:45   because it felt like I was a teacher for

00:52:46   forever that is a big mental landscape

00:52:50   that that it's hard for me to feel like

00:52:54   the YouTube time is now longer than that

00:52:58   and it's also interesting even just

00:53:02   thing like you know I mean a joke before

00:53:03   about how long we've done this podcast

00:53:05   but like we've been doing this podcast

00:53:06   for quite a long time and I there's

00:53:08   something that my brain just cannot

00:53:09   place in these things where I still

00:53:12   think of

00:53:13   YouTube as the new projects right and

00:53:17   and then hello internet as like oh the

00:53:20   new new project I was like but actually

00:53:22   they've been going on for quite a while

00:53:23   now and I just there's I wonder I almost

00:53:28   wonder if in you know doublet so I've

00:53:32   been doing the YouTube channel seriously

00:53:34   for about six years now and I almost

00:53:37   wonder like if I double that number will

00:53:40   it still feel the same will it still

00:53:41   feel like that this is still the the new

00:53:44   thing it doesn't feel like you

00:53:45   understand type thing yeah like it the

00:53:47   upstart type thing even though that is

00:53:49   manifestly not true I don't know there's

00:53:52   something about it that I just can't I

00:53:54   just can't place correctly in my brain

00:53:58   so I have a hard time thinking about it

00:54:00   but when I realized it I found it really

00:54:03   quite shocking and surprising to realize

00:54:05   that that YouTube is now the longest job

00:54:08   I have ever had

00:54:10   do you think that surprise and feeling

00:54:12   is likely to result in anything or will

00:54:13   manifest itself in any way or it's just

00:54:15   like a hmm okay back on with it what

00:54:18   does that make you start thinking

00:54:19   differently and think should I be doing

00:54:21   this differently do I need to change

00:54:23   things up or or do you just is it just

00:54:25   like a little I think I have a different

00:54:28   view of it because I don't know the way

00:54:31   people describe my channel I feel like I

00:54:32   have never I have never heard someone

00:54:34   describe my YouTube channel in a way

00:54:36   that I would agree with people say that

00:54:39   it's a channel about history and I'd be

00:54:40   like I don't even understand what do you

00:54:41   mean by this er various ways that people

00:54:43   have described what my youtube channel

00:54:44   is like I just I've never come across

00:54:46   the description that I actually feel

00:54:48   like matches up with the way it is in my

00:54:50   head and I can't really quite articulate

00:54:52   the way it is in my head but I also feel

00:54:55   like that the channel has naturally

00:54:59   changed over time anyway like I forget

00:55:03   what it is but it takes a long time

00:55:05   before even the concept of stick figure

00:55:08   me shows up in a video like that's

00:55:11   suddenly a shift like that doing that

00:55:14   kind of thing has a change in the way

00:55:16   like oh I'm talking directly to the

00:55:18   audience now instead of this being like

00:55:21   a literal slide show like it would be in

00:55:24   a classroom so like that's

00:55:26   that's just easy to point to but I feel

00:55:29   like there's been a lot of little

00:55:30   changes in evolutions over time but I

00:55:35   don't know it's a it's a funny thing

00:55:37   because in my head I feel like it's sort

00:55:39   of it's sort of always changing and is

00:55:41   always the same and I think that that's

00:55:44   always the way it will be to any if the

00:55:46   changes that happen on your channel they

00:55:48   for example the introduction of stick

00:55:50   figure growing are they ever like lines

00:55:54   in the sand like will you deliberately

00:55:56   say okay it's time for something new I'm

00:55:58   going to introduce a stick figure

00:55:59   version of me because I want to change

00:56:00   the emphasis to me talking out at the

00:56:02   viewers rather than us looking together

00:56:04   at a slide show or do they happen just

00:56:07   kind of accidentally and you do it once

00:56:09   and think well that kind of worked I

00:56:11   might try that again sometime and then

00:56:12   after like 10 videos you're like oh well

00:56:15   I guess that's the thing now yeah like

00:56:16   are they because you seem like a guy who

00:56:18   makes a lot of strategic deliberate

00:56:20   decisions rather than just falls into

00:56:22   things the stick figure me I remember

00:56:26   what the video was but I do remember

00:56:28   that that was trying to solve a

00:56:30   particular problem in the way I was

00:56:32   explaining something and also it was in

00:56:34   in no small part a kind of envy of a lot

00:56:38   of what other educational youtubers in

00:56:41   the space can do where they like they

00:56:43   can show you animations and interesting

00:56:45   graphics to help an explanation and then

00:56:48   they can just cut to them talking either

00:56:52   when a visual is not needed or if it's a

00:56:56   moment where it's a little bit abstract

00:56:58   and what you would put on screen

00:57:00   wouldn't necessarily line up with

00:57:01   anything that you're talking about I I

00:57:03   remember being quite envious of the

00:57:06   ability to do that cut to camera thing

00:57:09   so that the stick introducing stick

00:57:11   figure gray was was partly the ability

00:57:13   to do that like oh I can cut to camera

00:57:15   now and it's just me talking I would say

00:57:17   the biggest the biggest line in the sand

00:57:21   thing that I did do very intentionally

00:57:23   was actually that las vegas vlog that i

00:57:27   uploaded a little while ago that was

00:57:30   very much a deliberate feeling of i want

00:57:35   to put up something on the channel that

00:57:37   is really different right that it's not

00:57:39   like

00:57:40   oh I've done a serious video where gray

00:57:43   is talking in serious tones and that's

00:57:45   different from all of the others or a

00:57:47   video like the trouble with transporters

00:57:49   which has a different animation style

00:57:50   but all of those are still kind of the

00:57:52   same like they're in the same family of

00:57:56   the videos that I do but the vlog is

00:57:58   like a totally different thing and is

00:58:00   also completely unexpected right if

00:58:01   you've been following the history of the

00:58:03   channel like it's it's weird to upload a

00:58:05   vlog I did that partly just because I

00:58:08   wanted to establish a precedent of I can

00:58:12   upload random things if I want to so

00:58:15   that was a deliberate sort of thing it

00:58:17   was also just interesting to see like

00:58:18   how are people going to react to when I

00:58:20   do something differently but I think

00:58:22   maybe that's the closest one to that so

00:58:23   that the line in the sand

00:58:25   otherwise it's things just evolve over

00:58:29   time I don't think anything in the

00:58:31   entertainment industry can stay the same

00:58:35   like I think stuff has to change you

00:58:39   know even like you're you're redoing

00:58:40   your videos right but you're you're

00:58:42   changing the way they are because you

00:58:45   like you want them to be updated for

00:58:47   modern audience sensibilities and I

00:58:51   think you also just have to change

00:58:52   because the environment around you

00:58:54   changes so when you look at a change to

00:58:57   your channel for example the saying hey

00:59:00   vlogs are a thing now too you know don't

00:59:03   don't you do you think that's you being

00:59:05   like super rational business gray saying

00:59:09   you know to survive going forward and

00:59:11   for the channel to grow and sustain I

00:59:13   need to change and adapt or is it more

00:59:15   an artistic thing like you know I want

00:59:18   to spread my wings and not just be a guy

00:59:19   who has to do animations and explaining

00:59:21   and I don't want all I don't want to be

00:59:23   constrained by your expectations of the

00:59:25   channel is this a business rational

00:59:28   decision you've made or is that an

00:59:29   artistic decision I guess is what I'm

00:59:31   saying I would say it's neither it's

00:59:32   actually just a personal decision that I

00:59:34   I feel like as people who follow my work

00:59:39   may know I'm not a big fan of regularity

00:59:42   and things always being the same and

00:59:44   predictable and that vlog went up in no

00:59:48   small part because I did feel like there

00:59:51   was there had been too much

00:59:53   predictability for too

00:59:54   long on the channel and so I wanted to

00:59:55   do a thing that was just totally out of

00:59:57   left field I wish I could say oh wow was

00:59:59   it

00:59:59   it

01:00:00   incredibly smart business decision but

01:00:02   but it was by far and away like the

01:00:05   worst business decision I ever made for

01:00:07   the channel in terms of every metric I

01:00:09   can possibly have putting up that vlog

01:00:11   video was the worst thing I could do on

01:00:14   every one of my spreadsheets it was

01:00:16   really just something personally that I

01:00:19   wanted to do just to just to have

01:00:21   something up there that was different

01:00:24   and established the possibility that

01:00:25   like oh this can happen again in the

01:00:27   future but as someone who seems to care

01:00:30   so a little about what other people

01:00:31   think why do you need to do that unless

01:00:34   it's something you want to make you want

01:00:36   to do like why do you why do you need to

01:00:38   even put down that marker like but it's

01:00:41   because it is something that I want to

01:00:42   do right again it's alright you answer

01:00:45   my question and it's like an artistic

01:00:46   thing yeah I guess if you want to phrase

01:00:47   it that way you could say it I don't

01:00:48   mean like you're an artist but yeah yeah

01:00:50   in an editorial decision rather than a

01:00:53   business decision maybe yeah an

01:00:55   editorial decision might be a better way

01:00:56   to put it because I think it's it's

01:00:59   partly there is something about the this

01:01:08   idea turned out to be totally wrong but

01:01:09   I'll to specify what my thinking was at

01:01:11   the time there is something limiting

01:01:13   about the animation because it's so time

01:01:18   intensive that it forced all's certain

01:01:21   kinds of videos from being able to be

01:01:22   made because you have to just have to

01:01:25   say like if a video is going to be made

01:01:26   like there's going to need to be an

01:01:27   enormous amount of animation time and so

01:01:29   my thinking was I'm gonna do a video

01:01:32   that's a different kind of thing that

01:01:35   can also possibly have a much shorter

01:01:37   turnaround time because I don't need to

01:01:40   animate every frame I'm just going to

01:01:43   film stuff now that sounds like a

01:01:45   business decision

01:01:45   no but it's I know why you say it's a

01:01:49   business decision but it's it's more a

01:01:50   question of like I want to make a

01:01:51   certain kind of video and up until this

01:01:53   point the answer is okay well whatever

01:01:54   you're going to make it has to be an

01:01:56   animation and then that cuts off a huge

01:01:59   number of possibilities yeah so I can

01:02:03   see why you're saying it sounds like a

01:02:04   business decision but it's much more a

01:02:05   personal decision of I want to do a

01:02:08   thing that maybe doesn't require all the

01:02:11   animation and let me know it's Matt yeah

01:02:13   you

01:02:13   you want to make Michelangelo's David

01:02:14   but you've all only ever done oil

01:02:16   painting so now you've said no I'm gonna

01:02:18   try Scott yes instead they're deeming

01:02:20   quite high but yes the 30 an amazing

01:02:25   sculptor now but anyway joke was on me

01:02:28   that vlog took up way more time than

01:02:32   animation of this so I was really really

01:02:39   wrong about that estimation but I was

01:02:41   still I was still glad to do it I just

01:02:42   look that to do it but yeah maybe maybe

01:02:44   classifying it as an editorial decision

01:02:46   is a is a correct way to frame it

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01:05:51   great from following you on Twitter and

01:05:53   from following almost everyone on the

01:05:55   world on Twitter not that I follow are

01:06:01   you one of those are you one of those

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01:06:06   Brady is that what you're doing

01:06:07   pandering to Twitter that way I haven't

01:06:10   I haven't got to that stage so one thing

01:06:13   that causes endless frustration I know

01:06:15   it causes you frustration is package

01:06:17   deliveries from delivery companies and

01:06:21   I've seen I've seen even the normally

01:06:23   calm CGP grey who was reluctant to wield

01:06:27   his mighty power against corporations

01:06:30   get particularly upset at a delivery

01:06:32   company recently when they were

01:06:35   they were doing what they do to me all

01:06:37   the time and that is don't even ring

01:06:39   your doorbell or knock on your door and

01:06:41   just drop the package and run or worse

01:06:43   yet put a card through saying you

01:06:46   weren't here and run which I absolutely

01:06:48   hate the card through the door that was

01:06:50   those a was a charm charming days of

01:06:52   yore when I used to at least just get

01:06:54   the card through the door recently I've

01:06:56   been getting pure email notifications

01:06:59   now just like Oh which we tried to

01:07:03   deliver to your house but you weren't

01:07:04   home Chiqui sorry there's no proof

01:07:07   though even that well there is there's

01:07:08   proof that they were there Brady which

01:07:10   is a photograph of your front door at

01:07:13   least that's what it's supposed to be

01:07:15   but in every single one of emails I have

01:07:18   ever gotten it is a photograph of what I

01:07:20   presume is just the inside of the

01:07:22   delivery man's pocket it's is literally

01:07:24   nothing that registers anything as proof

01:07:27   on there so it's just I'm it's just a

01:07:29   lie right it's just a total 100% lie and

01:07:32   yeah I did

01:07:34   I did lose my cool over this a little

01:07:35   while ago and complained complained on

01:07:37   Twitter about package deliveries because

01:07:40   I I was waiting for something in

01:07:41   particular

01:07:41   at home all day and of course they're

01:07:43   like oh you weren't you were at home you

01:07:45   weren't home yes I was you bastards

01:07:47   I was waiting all day Title I before

01:07:50   before we go any further though I do

01:07:51   want to get something on record here

01:07:52   which was I was very very careful in the

01:07:56   way I was wording my complaint I just

01:07:58   want to get this out of the way before

01:07:59   we continue the conversation further I

01:08:01   do not think this is the delivery

01:08:05   people's fault

01:08:07   my view of this is it is the company's

01:08:10   fault and whatever whatever way they are

01:08:15   arranging the incentives for the

01:08:17   employees I think it's very easy to just

01:08:19   think oh these delivery drivers they're

01:08:21   so lazy and my first angry version of

01:08:24   the tweet was about lazy delivery

01:08:26   drivers this of course was back when we

01:08:28   had 140 characters and I had I had to

01:08:30   rethink it and then I phrased it in a

01:08:32   much better way to place blame where I

01:08:34   think it really goes so I just want to

01:08:36   make that really clear like from

01:08:38   everything I can gather I think this is

01:08:39   the fault of the delivery company's

01:08:42   overloading the drivers and so then they

01:08:45   have every incentive in the world to

01:08:47   just skip where they can bank on

01:08:49   someone probably not being there so that

01:08:51   they can like check off that they've

01:08:52   gone through all the things that they

01:08:53   need to do in a day

01:08:54   so just just want to get that out the

01:08:56   way first well it's interesting you say

01:08:57   that because my recent experience that I

01:09:00   want to share I think emphasizes how

01:09:02   much the delivery drivers working in

01:09:08   these incredibly strange straitjackets

01:09:10   that the companies are putting on them

01:09:12   and the pressures they're putting on

01:09:13   them because everyone has had cases

01:09:16   where you know they get a message saying

01:09:19   we knocked on the door and you weren't

01:09:20   home and they say yes I was and and this

01:09:23   is hole you know you're a bunch of liars

01:09:24   right I had a recent delivery experience

01:09:26   that went the other way that really

01:09:28   emphasized the problem and that was the

01:09:30   other day there was a knock on the door

01:09:31   I went down there was a delivery driver

01:09:34   with a package for me and I had to sign

01:09:37   for it and he had to scan the barcode

01:09:39   with his little device to say he'd sent

01:09:41   it so he was about to pass it over to me

01:09:44   and he went to scanner and it wouldn't

01:09:46   scan and he said hang on he tried again

01:09:48   I wouldn't scan and then he looked at

01:09:49   his device and said ah I'm a minute and

01:09:52   a half early

01:09:53   I can't scan this until it's the right

01:09:56   time and we had to stand there together

01:09:59   at the door waiting for the time to

01:10:02   elapse until we were in the window that

01:10:05   he was supposed to be at my door oh and

01:10:07   then as soon as the clock ticked over

01:10:09   like okay he scanned it hands it to me

01:10:12   and he could leave so they're so tightly

01:10:15   controlled at both ends of lateness and

01:10:17   earliness of where they have to be at

01:10:19   what times if they're running early they

01:10:22   get constrained Wow

01:10:25   it was amazing that that is that is

01:10:28   frankly breathtaking he couldn't give it

01:10:32   to me because he couldn't scan her

01:10:33   I can I can am at like it was never this

01:10:36   would never occur to me I can imagine

01:10:38   maybe why this happens just just like

01:10:41   you say as a way to further pin in the

01:10:46   driver's freedom of motion yeah because

01:10:50   later on if there's something that has

01:10:51   to be delivered like between four and

01:10:52   six you know they want to make sure his

01:10:55   whole day is controlled so that he's

01:10:56   arriving at the right places at the

01:10:58   right time it doesn't get too ahead of

01:11:00   schedule you know

01:11:02   Wow just I feel like I'm knocked

01:11:06   speechless by the horror of that it

01:11:09   knows more part the horror of having to

01:11:11   stand awkwardly with the delivery guy

01:11:14   for 90 seconds while the two of you are

01:11:17   waiting for a countdown counter to

01:11:19   finish that's okay

01:11:22   luckily I have the world's cutest

01:11:23   Chihuahua that loves coming and playing

01:11:25   with delivery people okay all right yeah

01:11:27   that would make it that would make it

01:11:28   much easier I feel like I would be

01:11:30   tempted to close the door I could turn I

01:11:33   didn't you get a note saying you were I

01:11:39   don't know it might be worth it you

01:11:41   avoid the awkwardness though it's a

01:11:43   problem that seems to be getting worse

01:11:45   with time and not better with time I

01:11:47   feel like it's causing me more problems

01:11:49   in laughs as time goes by because I was

01:11:51   complaining mightily on Twitter I did

01:11:54   get some some interesting sort of

01:11:55   private feedback that that was

01:11:58   confirming that what's happening is

01:12:01   largely that the drivers are just

01:12:03   banking on places that they know where

01:12:06   the deliveries are going to be accepted

01:12:08   so it's it's like these delivery

01:12:10   companies are actually just delivering

01:12:12   to business and commercial addresses and

01:12:15   that they're blowing off the residential

01:12:18   addresses just the the moment there's

01:12:20   any kind of delay and in their in their

01:12:23   schedule and where they should be and

01:12:24   this is what these times like I don't

01:12:26   understand how the world is the way it

01:12:28   is because isn't this like isn't this

01:12:30   the company's whole job like your job is

01:12:32   to deliver packages like why why are you

01:12:36   not better at delivering packages we're

01:12:38   handing you money to do the thing I feel

01:12:41   like package delivery has gotten way

01:12:45   worse one of the ways that I feel like I

01:12:47   have a subjective measure of this is

01:12:48   because I have an office in in my home

01:12:51   right and we get lots of packages sent

01:12:53   to the house it used to drive me so

01:12:55   crazy like how often the bell would ring

01:12:57   for the package is getting delivered but

01:12:59   over the last like 18 months the number

01:13:03   of times that has occurred has

01:13:05   definitely gone down and it's way more

01:13:07   of these like oh there's no package to

01:13:09   be delivered at all think so like I

01:13:10   really do feel like delivery companies

01:13:13   are worse at doing their fundamental

01:13:14   job than they used to before and it

01:13:18   bothers me double when he when I think

01:13:19   about things like like the grocery

01:13:21   delivery where you can I don't if you

01:13:23   have this where you are if the city is

01:13:26   big enough but you can have someone do

01:13:27   the grocery shopping for you and then

01:13:29   have them deliver the groceries to your

01:13:30   house and it's like that to me is kind

01:13:34   of amazing because it's a-okay grocery

01:13:36   stores your primary business is not

01:13:39   delivering things this is just an

01:13:41   auxiliary business yet nonetheless I can

01:13:45   just pick a 15-minute window in which I

01:13:48   want a man to show up with eggs and

01:13:51   cleaning fluids and toilet paper and

01:13:53   bananas and whatever and there they're

01:13:55   like BAM every time delivering the

01:13:57   groceries and it's like this is not even

01:13:59   your job like why can't actual delivery

01:14:01   companies get this same thing

01:14:03   accomplished I find it really

01:14:04   frustrating that's just not the

01:14:06   incentives in place the grocery store

01:14:08   has incentive doesn't it that they don't

01:14:11   do the deal if they don't deliver the

01:14:12   fresh fruit it's not well I can not

01:14:14   leave the food so they're just not

01:14:16   incentivized yeah but I guess the

01:14:18   feeling here is it's like there's a

01:14:20   delivery cartel that all the delivery

01:14:23   companies are equally bad right so and

01:14:25   they recognize like okay as long as

01:14:27   nobody gets better none of us have to

01:14:29   get better like that that's what it

01:14:31   feels like is actually happening because

01:14:33   it's like I'm paying you to deliver a

01:14:34   thing you know but I but I can't get it

01:14:38   but I also just have I have no options

01:14:40   here right I just have to keep paying

01:14:41   you to not deliver to not deliver the

01:14:43   thing and then push the burden on me to

01:14:46   go to some warehouse to pick it up off

01:14:47   hours I'm sure you must run into this

01:14:49   Brady but do you like the feeling of

01:14:52   sort of abusing your power as someone

01:14:54   who has a bunch of Twitter followers to

01:14:56   complain at a company like do you do

01:14:58   feel the call of that sometimes to yell

01:15:01   at a company on the internet I do where

01:15:04   do you draw the line how do you decide

01:15:05   when to when not to do it I mean you do

01:15:07   it less than me but you you know you

01:15:09   just use Twitter less than me so I don't

01:15:11   know it's mood isn't it it's mood partly

01:15:13   is like where's the radio meter right is

01:15:15   the radio meter very very large or is it

01:15:17   very very small but I also feel like I'm

01:15:19   caught in a bit of a loop with these

01:15:21   things where companies have taught me

01:15:23   that there is no more effective way to

01:15:26   get their attention than to yell

01:15:27   come on Twitter yeah and I presume that

01:15:30   having a large number of followers

01:15:32   certainly helps with that but it also

01:15:34   seems like that when I look at company

01:15:36   Twitter accounts like they are very

01:15:37   active on Twitter and replying to people

01:15:39   mmm I feel like the companies are

01:15:41   essentially begging me to complain about

01:15:44   them on Twitter squeaky wheel gets the

01:15:47   oil if I'm going to complain about a

01:15:48   company on Twitter there needs to be one

01:15:50   of two things I need to be really angry

01:15:53   deeply deeply angry or I need to think

01:15:58   of a way that I can complain that's kind

01:16:01   of funny I think those those are my two

01:16:03   markers for if I'm going to complain

01:16:05   publicly about a company on Twitter I

01:16:07   think those are the two that I'm that

01:16:08   I'm looking for oh there's a third fact

01:16:11   I agree with those two but there's a

01:16:12   third factor for me and it's how

01:16:14   urgently do I need this problem solved

01:16:16   so you know I had a thing where my phone

01:16:18   stopped working and I couldn't make

01:16:19   phone calls and it my work ground to a

01:16:24   halt and I needed that dealt with so you

01:16:27   know so sometimes if I really need

01:16:29   something resolved because it's

01:16:30   preventing me being able to function in

01:16:32   the way I need to function that is the

01:16:34   third factor companies companies get

01:16:36   what they promote and what they promote

01:16:38   is yell at them on Twitter so they're

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01:20:27   the show I just wanted to bring up

01:20:29   something about the ad pocalypse gray

01:20:31   which is a subject that I find quite

01:20:33   tiresome and I actually really don't

01:20:35   enjoy talking about but it does seem to

01:20:38   be an important part of our lives and we

01:20:40   have a reputation for talking about it

01:20:42   now so well yeah and also I find

01:20:44   revisiting this topic personally funny

01:20:46   because I think one of the very first

01:20:49   times we ever mentioned it my opinion

01:20:51   was like oh this is gonna blow over and

01:20:52   we'll never hear about this again

01:20:54   Frank's working and then YouTube did

01:20:57   everything within their power to make

01:20:59   sure that this was going to be an

01:21:00   eternal problem and so here we are

01:21:02   you're right about that so there's been

01:21:04   some recent developments in the last few

01:21:06   day some on both sides of the of the

01:21:09   debate that I thought were worth just

01:21:12   marking one is it seems to be almost

01:21:15   cyclical that The Times newspaper in

01:21:18   London owned by Rupert Murdoch owned by

01:21:20   News Corporation that wants advertising

01:21:21   money to be in papers and not on YouTube

01:21:23   and have found success in this tactic of

01:21:27   pointing out ads are being delivered on

01:21:29   inappropriate content they have done

01:21:33   their next big wave this week they found

01:21:35   a new one it was it was terrorism before

01:21:37   it was you know can you believe that

01:21:39   company that coca-cola's being

01:21:41   advertised on a story about terrorism

01:21:44   now they've gone to exploitation and

01:21:48   inappropriate images of children oh just

01:21:51   like now we're saying last week in the

01:21:55   world so that that's the new one that

01:21:57   they've they're really ramping up and

01:21:59   they're doing front-page stories and

01:22:00   special investigations about and the

01:22:02   exact same cycle has happened and there

01:22:05   is all the companies are there

01:22:07   you know fleeing and saying we're

01:22:09   interestingly they're always saying

01:22:11   we're suspending our advertising until

01:22:13   this is result right and this has made

01:22:15   me realize since there were some things

01:22:17   about this that you were right about

01:22:19   some things that you were slightly wrong

01:22:20   about one is you said at the time that

01:22:23   this is just like a temporary thing and

01:22:25   the companies will go away and then

01:22:27   ultimately come back the advert they

01:22:29   advertising companies because they have

01:22:30   to advertise here because if they don't

01:22:32   they die and you're right about that

01:22:36   because they're always using words like

01:22:37   we're suspending advertising until this

01:22:39   is fixed but the other thing is this

01:22:42   this issue isn't going away and I can

01:22:44   see this is going to be an issue for

01:22:46   years to come this is just gonna be

01:22:49   something that's it gets wheeled out all

01:22:50   the time until the newspapers are gone

01:22:52   maybe yeah so it's it's it's rather

01:22:56   exasperated I did notice it was

01:22:58   different this time in a way that you

01:23:00   kind of have foreshadowed and spoken

01:23:01   about in the past and that is the

01:23:03   companies aren't saying that's it we're

01:23:04   taking your advertising away forever

01:23:06   they're a bit more careful in their

01:23:08   wording and they say we're suspending

01:23:09   advertising so and what does that mean

01:23:12   yeah does that mean you know the

01:23:14   impression that I have gotten from

01:23:18   discussing things with people is that a

01:23:20   lot of this ends up becoming a situation

01:23:23   where money is simply building up behind

01:23:26   a dam and then that and then when it

01:23:28   when that looks like it's all clear at

01:23:30   the the floodgates are opened again so

01:23:33   that the let's put this way like the the

01:23:37   amount of money that a company has

01:23:38   allocated to spend on YouTube in a

01:23:40   quarter is still maintained at a

01:23:43   consistent rate and if the individual

01:23:46   weeks or month are are not at a

01:23:48   consistent rate but that's the

01:23:50   impression that I get is largely what's

01:23:51   happening so one of the things that you

01:23:55   know you know I you know I like

01:23:56   newspapers obviously not used to work in

01:23:57   newspapers but one of the things that

01:23:59   has always frustrated me about this is

01:24:01   kind of the hypocrisy because I think a

01:24:04   lot of newspapers do a lot of bad things

01:24:06   too and companies advertise in

01:24:08   newspapers and I've always thought what

01:24:10   hang on like your people in glass houses

01:24:12   here are throwing a lot of stones and

01:24:14   there was a story that caught my eye

01:24:16   last week that has opened my eye to

01:24:19   something else I didn't know it was

01:24:20   going

01:24:20   and just to give you a bit of context at

01:24:22   the Daily Mail newspaper in the UK which

01:24:25   a lot of people are familiar with and

01:24:27   isn't regarded very highly for various

01:24:30   reasons for its sort of sort of

01:24:32   political stances had this front page

01:24:35   promotion thing where people could take

01:24:37   a coupon from that day's paper to the to

01:24:40   the news agents in London called Paper

01:24:42   Chase and could get a free roll of

01:24:45   wrapping paper for their Christmas

01:24:47   presents a pretty typical kind of you

01:24:49   know newspaper promotion take your

01:24:51   coupon from the paper get your wrapping

01:24:52   paper and it turns out there's this

01:24:56   organization that I wasn't quite

01:24:57   familiar with called stop funding hate

01:25:00   and they're kind of the ad pocalypse

01:25:03   version of the ad pocalypse except for

01:25:06   newspapers whatever and whenever

01:25:09   companies advertise with newspapers they

01:25:11   don't like that are on their list of we

01:25:13   don't like you they then go to the

01:25:15   mattresses and give a hard time to the

01:25:17   advertisers about that and stop funding

01:25:19   hate engineered this campaign against

01:25:22   Paper Chase for being in bed with the

01:25:24   Daily Mail that was so venomous that

01:25:27   Paper Chase made a public statement

01:25:29   apologizing for this promotion and have

01:25:31   vowed to never advertise or do a

01:25:33   promotion with the Daily Mail again and

01:25:36   the stock funding hate apparently have

01:25:38   done this with various companies

01:25:39   including our good friends Lego who have

01:25:42   been shamed into not advertising with

01:25:44   various newspapers because of this

01:25:46   campaign so it's the it's the thing

01:25:48   happening in the opposite opposite

01:25:49   direction and it's actually something

01:25:51   that I've kind of spoken about before

01:25:52   when I said you know when we see

01:25:55   advertisements on free booted videos on

01:25:57   Facebook we should we said shame the

01:26:00   advertisers don't don't take on Facebook

01:26:02   Facebook don't care go to the advertiser

01:26:04   and say hey Pepsi do you know that your

01:26:06   videos are running against all this

01:26:07   stolen content that's exactly what stop

01:26:10   funding hate our doing hmm

01:26:12   so the battle is actually happening in

01:26:14   both directions fool what do you what do

01:26:18   you think of this do you know what I'm

01:26:21   kind of a bit uneasy with it both ways

01:26:23   yeah I mean that's I think it's I think

01:26:25   it's hypocritical for me to say that

01:26:27   stop funding hate are doing the wrong

01:26:30   thing except that the

01:26:34   pocalypse people like saying youtubers

01:26:38   bad YouTube is bad the people they

01:26:40   actually have the problems with the

01:26:42   content creators the people who are

01:26:45   uploading the bad stuff whereas when you

01:26:47   have a campaign against a newspaper the

01:26:49   newspaper is deciding what goes in its

01:26:51   paper it's not like the Daily Mail can

01:26:53   say hey we can't control what our

01:26:54   journalists write sorry that our

01:26:56   columnist wrote a really racist column

01:26:58   but we can't control that we're just a

01:27:00   platform mhm that the newspaper does

01:27:02   have total editorial control over what

01:27:04   appears in its pages and therefore when

01:27:06   someone takes them to task for it I

01:27:08   think there's an extra level of

01:27:11   accountability that YouTube don't

01:27:13   necessarily have but I've said in the

01:27:15   past that I do think YouTube does have

01:27:17   to serve does have to have some

01:27:19   accountability for what appears on the

01:27:20   site as well so for that reason I'm kind

01:27:23   of oh I don't know what to think about

01:27:25   this yeah I mean you know my initial

01:27:30   reaction is of course I think it's funny

01:27:32   because it's the newspapers getting what

01:27:36   they're giving right like dishing out a

01:27:37   thing as like well well well look look

01:27:41   who comes back around and I do agree

01:27:43   with you that the newspapers have a

01:27:46   level of control that YouTube could only

01:27:49   dream up

01:27:50   either that that is just fundamentally

01:27:51   impossible on the YouTube platform but I

01:27:54   don't know what like with all of this

01:27:59   stuff I just I feel you know ever since

01:28:02   we talked about a long time ago like we

01:28:05   initially started having conversations

01:28:07   but like mob justice on the Internet

01:28:08   there is something I just I feel like I

01:28:12   am permanently and forever uneasy about

01:28:17   any kind of mob justice on the Internet

01:28:20   in a way that I didn't used to be yeah

01:28:23   several years ago and any of this kind

01:28:26   of stuff where like even you know even

01:28:30   if I would agree with the mob justice

01:28:32   perhaps perhaps especially if I would

01:28:36   agree with the mob justice it feels like

01:28:38   you should be really cautious about that

01:28:39   kind of thing right where and and this

01:28:44   this feels like a similar thing like

01:28:47   you're trying to

01:28:48   bully and shame and organization into

01:28:52   not supporting a thing and it's like I

01:28:54   know that we can get all worthy about

01:28:56   what the reasons for doing that are but

01:28:58   I found I don't know how to put this but

01:29:00   I feel like I feel what you're saying

01:29:04   though it's like this is the thin end of

01:29:06   the wedge versus you know online

01:29:07   vigilantes like yeah if we start if we

01:29:10   start doing this all the time where

01:29:11   where does it stop I guess I guess what

01:29:13   I'm trying to try and think about here

01:29:15   is it's a little bit like my my feeling

01:29:20   about politics where you know we don't

01:29:25   really talk about politics on the show

01:29:27   and part of the reason is because I you

01:29:30   know my personal feeling is like if

01:29:32   we're not talking about the meta issues

01:29:34   like if we're not talking about the the

01:29:38   voting system right we're not talking

01:29:39   about campaign finance right like then

01:29:42   we're getting we're getting like dragged

01:29:43   down into the details of things but well

01:29:47   like we're never addressing the root

01:29:49   cause of problems and there's something

01:29:55   about Internet vigilantism that that is

01:29:59   more and more in my mind falling into a

01:30:02   kind of like I think this is a

01:30:03   fundamental problem in a way but I don't

01:30:08   know I'm not even sure I can say that

01:30:10   that harshly or that clearly but it just

01:30:14   it is just a thing that I find myself

01:30:16   very very cautious about and it feels

01:30:24   like we need a better and more

01:30:27   responsible solution than a kind of

01:30:30   internet bullying campaign even if it's

01:30:34   for something that we agree with like

01:30:37   for the same reason that in a society we

01:30:39   have laws no matter how much evidence

01:30:41   you have like against a murderer like we

01:30:44   still put a murderer on trial because we

01:30:45   had like we have to go through we have

01:30:48   to go through the process and there's

01:30:50   something there's something it feels

01:30:51   like we need some kind of process on the

01:30:54   internet that can can handle stuff

01:30:57   instead of this this sort of like let's

01:31:00   let's all get riled up about

01:31:02   about a thing like like even the name of

01:31:04   this campaign right stop funding hate

01:31:07   right is like that name is designed to

01:31:11   stop any conversation about what this

01:31:14   organization is doing here if you're not

01:31:16   with the stop funding hate organization

01:31:17   are you for funding hate right it's like

01:31:19   ah right huh no of course not

01:31:23   I think it's funny when you first show

01:31:24   it to me but I I'm finding more and more

01:31:27   my brain has this like antibody reaction

01:31:31   to any anything that starts looking like

01:31:33   let's gang up on a thing online and

01:31:35   force them to do what we want like I've

01:31:37   just I find that I find myself getting

01:31:39   more and more cautious about that kind

01:31:42   of behavior on the Internet in any way

01:31:43   there's also this slightly weird dynamic

01:31:46   where there's always this third party

01:31:48   yeah yeah

01:31:49   so it's like like Paper Chase for the

01:31:52   news agents other ones are also like

01:31:55   copying it in the neck and you could say

01:31:57   well they deserve it because they're

01:31:59   giving their money to the Daily Mail and

01:32:00   they know what the Daily Mail is like

01:32:01   yeah but it's kind of like this indirect

01:32:04   argument it's like these people have an

01:32:05   issue with the Daily Mail and they're

01:32:08   like they're like taking hostages and

01:32:10   hurting other people to try and damage

01:32:13   the Daily Mail and there are all these

01:32:15   sort of other parties who are kind of

01:32:16   copping it in the neck as a result and

01:32:17   it feels like know if it was bitchy when

01:32:20   there is this third party interaction it

01:32:22   always gets more complicated and again I

01:32:25   think I think the internet version of

01:32:26   this is like you they don't go after the

01:32:29   person like they go after the platform

01:32:31   that the person is on and that always

01:32:32   that will they go after the money don't

01:32:34   yeah yeah it's always about going after

01:32:36   the money money supply the curia yet

01:32:39   you're Lively yeah that is an excellent

01:32:41   point I feel like I feel like we do you

01:32:44   know Brady Hero is the master of words

01:32:45   here but I do feel like we need a term

01:32:49   for this idea about going after

01:32:52   somebody's livelihood on the internet

01:32:54   like their there are so many different

01:32:57   versions of this that it's like it's a

01:32:59   concept that happens over and over again

01:33:01   like trying to get someone removed from

01:33:04   patreon or trying to get someone fired

01:33:07   from their job or whatever like this is

01:33:09   a thing that happens all the time of

01:33:11   this idea like you're going after

01:33:13   somebody's livelihood where

01:33:15   for that that livelihood is and again I

01:33:18   always just feel really cautious about

01:33:20   that and I think you're I think you're

01:33:21   right there is something that's that

01:33:25   feels wrong about when it's a third

01:33:27   party interaction it feels like you're

01:33:29   not you're not engaging directly you're

01:33:32   engaging in a in a sneaky way instead of

01:33:35   instead of engaging head-on with the

01:33:37   thing that you don't like you know I

01:33:38   sometimes worry about the ad pocalypse

01:33:40   and I think if all the advert us pull

01:33:42   off the platform and YouTube collapses

01:33:44   and stuff it could be bad for people

01:33:45   like you and I but then this deep calm

01:33:47   comes over me when I realize that if a

01:33:50   company completely stops advertising on

01:33:52   Google and YouTube another company will

01:33:54   come in to fill the void mm-hmm and

01:33:56   that's what that's what keeps it going

01:33:58   like if if if coca-cola said all right

01:34:00   we're not advertising on YouTube anymore

01:34:02   Pepsi you'd think brilliant yeah

01:34:04   we will exactly so there is a hope that

01:34:07   kind of market force as long as you know

01:34:09   youtuber a really bad company and really

01:34:12   are doing bad stuff which I don't think

01:34:13   they are then I'm quite comfortable with

01:34:15   this kind of chewing and Frau Inc and I

01:34:18   kind of hope it just doesn't hurt people

01:34:20   too much it certainly has created an

01:34:21   absolute debacle on the content flagging

01:34:25   stuff which we've talked about recently

01:34:26   so it is it is hurting us regardless and

01:34:29   while I've said before that I think

01:34:30   YouTube is in a strong enough market

01:34:32   position that they don't have to do a

01:34:34   lot of this I do worry about the I do

01:34:39   worry about the future of YouTube a

01:34:41   little bit simp simply because I feel

01:34:44   like they are beginning to cross an

01:34:49   annoyance line with a large enough

01:34:52   number of of creators that I think if I

01:34:57   was in charge of YouTube that would be a

01:34:59   thing I would just is it a threat today

01:35:02   maybe not but it's a thing I would just

01:35:05   have my eye on that it did as a creator

01:35:07   who talks to other creators it really

01:35:09   feels like everybody is super annoyed

01:35:13   with with the flagging and the way the

01:35:16   whole system works and we're still just

01:35:19   the Mickey Mouse of the system that gray

01:35:21   it's not like Sony and all those people

01:35:24   who are uploading music videos to

01:35:26   YouTube er upset and as long as YouTube

01:35:28   have got them so

01:35:29   you know I know I know what you're

01:35:32   saying but I think if I was if I was

01:35:35   trying to do a start-up to compete with

01:35:39   you to which I think might be a

01:35:40   fundamentally impossible thing to do I

01:35:42   think YouTube might have a pretty secure

01:35:44   hold on an on the natural monopoly of

01:35:47   video but let's say I was I was tasked

01:35:50   to do it right and you had like a

01:35:51   billion dollar since like okay make a

01:35:53   startup to compete with you to I

01:35:55   wouldn't go after the big companies like

01:35:58   that like the via Muslim the music

01:36:00   company VEVO and Sony and all this other

01:36:02   stuff and the millions of hours of

01:36:04   late-night TV that's on YouTube I would

01:36:06   go after trying to sway the creators

01:36:09   because I think if you can sway the

01:36:13   creators then those big companies will

01:36:16   just double post their material right on

01:36:19   YouTube and whatever the YouTube

01:36:20   competitor is YouTube I love you guys

01:36:23   I'm not competing with you I don't have

01:36:25   I don't have a secret startup in the

01:36:26   works venture capitalist though if

01:36:29   you're looking for someone to work with

01:36:30   you know give me a call

01:36:32   youtube don't listen to that but anyway

01:36:33   um but I do I do think that that's the

01:36:37   vulnerable point if there if there is a

01:36:39   vulnerable point it's people who are

01:36:43   individual or small creators who have

01:36:46   loyal audiences

01:36:47   whereas trying to convince Sony to

01:36:51   upload onto a competitive competing

01:36:53   channel is a hopeless cause right

01:36:55   they're just they're just going to make

01:36:56   a business decision and the only

01:36:58   question is can you get your competitor

01:37:00   big enough that it makes sense for those

01:37:02   channels to start double posting and

01:37:04   this is where I think Facebook are

01:37:05   missing a trick like that but not

01:37:08   opening things up to smaller operations

01:37:11   like people like us like this is the

01:37:14   time to strike because if facebook said

01:37:17   now look we'll share half the revenue

01:37:18   with you let's let's do it

01:37:20   I think they'd get a lot of people and

01:37:22   then if they started pulling all those

01:37:23   people across then they could start

01:37:24   trying to get the big the big guns but

01:37:27   they're just like so they're so

01:37:28   close-minded Facebook they're so selfish

01:37:31   yeah I kind of wonder what Facebook's up

01:37:33   to I mean you know I don't want to give

01:37:34   Facebook any any tips here on how to

01:37:38   defeat YouTube because it's like I

01:37:39   really don't like Facebook but

01:37:41   nonetheless I am con

01:37:43   totally surprised at their at the

01:37:47   decisions they make with online video

01:37:49   and it feels like you guys are so close

01:37:52   like you could you could have this if

01:37:54   you just changed a few things and they

01:37:56   don't and I don't understand why and I

01:37:58   just because I like to believe in a

01:38:00   somewhat rational world I feel like that

01:38:02   they must be up to something that we

01:38:04   can't see or there must be some reason

01:38:06   why they don't do revenue sharing with

01:38:09   creators but I don't I don't understand

01:38:11   it and it seems like it would be the

01:38:12   most obvious thing to do if you were in

01:38:14   charge of Facebook should we end with a

01:38:16   paper cut yeah let's let's round out

01:38:19   with a paper cut this is this is a

01:38:21   special paper because this is Brady's

01:38:23   paper cut meets sports ball call oh god

01:38:25   what happens when the coroner's cross

01:38:27   with each other okay what do we get you

01:38:30   get a square then I guess if we have two

01:38:31   two corners crossing oh yeah I see what

01:38:34   you mean yeah I want to send you a

01:38:36   picture I'll send you a few pictures and

01:38:39   these pictures have been taken during

01:38:42   postgame celebrations because the

01:38:45   baseball season the MLB baseball season

01:38:47   recently ended so we had lots of happy

01:38:50   base boulders in the changing rooms

01:38:51   celebrating wonderful victories okay I'm

01:38:55   looking I'm looking

01:38:56   we've got players in the changing rooms

01:38:57   bottles of champagne being shaken corks

01:39:00   being popped champagne being sprayed

01:39:03   everywhere as is the custom celebration

01:39:05   at the end of a sporting trial do you

01:39:08   have any initial thoughts

01:39:10   I mean well they're all wearing ski

01:39:11   masks so it must be some yes violent

01:39:15   champagne spraying there this is a this

01:39:17   is the this is the development in the

01:39:19   last few years that I am papercut by

01:39:23   professional athletes in these

01:39:25   spontaneous moments of happiness for

01:39:28   years they've been pulling out the

01:39:29   t-shirts that were pre-made for them

01:39:31   winning you know congratulations on

01:39:32   winning which are obviously made weeks

01:39:34   before they won well yeah but then they

01:39:36   have but then they've also brought a

01:39:37   bunch of sometimes customized swimming

01:39:40   goggles and ski masks to put on their

01:39:42   faces before they start spraying the

01:39:45   champagne so they they can protect their

01:39:47   eyes this seems like the least

01:39:51   spontaneous and least like

01:39:55   rugged cool sports thing you could do

01:39:58   and makes them seem like a bunch of

01:40:00   wusses I feel like there's a real theme

01:40:03   here in your complaints as of late Brady

01:40:05   but yes it's like yeah you know you have

01:40:09   to have your Dewey beats Truman t-shirts

01:40:11   all set and ready to go of course you

01:40:13   know I have to have them ready imprinted

01:40:14   but but the but the goggles the goggles

01:40:20   do like to look like a bunch of wusses

01:40:21   I'm not gonna lie and it just it just

01:40:24   ruins the moment for me saying it just

01:40:27   it no longer seems like this moment

01:40:28   where we were just so happy we couldn't

01:40:30   control ourselves it's like okay okay

01:40:32   everyone put on your goggles for safety

01:40:35   and now we will have the fan yeah these

01:40:41   are these are fun approved goggles I

01:40:43   like that this is it's it's it's more

01:40:46   health and safety go on man I'm sure

01:40:47   someone will tell me some story about a

01:40:49   champagne cork that ruined a baseballers

01:40:51   career or how the acidity of champagne

01:40:54   can ruin your vision or something but

01:40:56   hey if if if spraying champagne is

01:41:00   celebrating at the end of the game is

01:41:01   unsafe then just don't do it but don't

01:41:03   don't all start putting goggles on

01:41:05   because you look you look like you look

01:41:07   silly yeah if it's the interest you

01:41:09   should come up with a new tradition yeah

01:41:11   I know that I don't think the champagne

01:41:14   is possibly dangerous except for the

01:41:16   exploding quark if you don't know how to

01:41:18   handle the champagne bottle but yeah

01:41:20   this this looks dumb oh yeah coming cute

01:41:23   with a thumbs down do not approve this

01:41:26   and I'm sure now everyone's gonna jump

01:41:29   on reddit like they did about the

01:41:30   astronauts and say hey you know though

01:41:32   they've got these multimillion-dollar

01:41:34   contracts and they've got to protect

01:41:35   their eyes but come on Brady why are you

01:41:38   against fun that that's what that's what

01:41:41   I'm getting all the complaints Brady

01:41:43   unrealized fine just so you know I'm not

01:41:46   against the champagne I love I love the

01:41:48   champagne at the end of the sport I just

01:41:50   think putting these goggles on

01:41:51   not only is it like health and safety

01:41:53   gone mad it just looks it makes the

01:41:55   whole thing look unnatural and

01:41:58   premeditated and not like a celebration

01:42:00   and just something they all knew they

01:42:02   were going to have to do for the cameras

01:42:04   later hmm I wonder I wonder if in ten

01:42:08   years

01:42:08   they'll be having safety rain jackets

01:42:12   for the champagne as well like if you

01:42:14   would rewound time 10 years ago and

01:42:16   asked someone do you think people will

01:42:17   have to put on goggles before they open

01:42:19   champagne no one would have said yes

01:42:20   right that would have seen ridiculous

01:42:22   and the idea now of some kind of safety

01:42:24   raincoat for your champagne seems

01:42:26   ridiculous but maybe in ten years that

01:42:28   that's what they'll be doing as well I

01:42:30   love special coverings for themselves so

01:42:32   they don't get hurt by the champagne I

01:42:33   just so that we don't end on me being

01:42:36   anti fuckin who can I bring up one other

01:42:38   interesting story us or a few weeks ago

01:42:40   that touches on various topics you one

01:42:42   being like insurance and safety in that

01:42:44   and the other being Twitter which we've

01:42:47   talked about a lot today there was a new

01:42:49   story a little while ago where a famous

01:42:51   soccer player from England was on

01:42:54   holiday with his wife and he took I

01:42:56   don't know what they were doing that

01:42:57   skiing or something and he tweeted or

01:42:59   instagrammed or whatever he did saying

01:43:01   they're having a good time you know what

01:43:02   he was up to and because he did that

01:43:04   thieves knew that he wasn't in his

01:43:06   lovely mansion in England who cleaned

01:43:09   out the place took all his stuff took

01:43:11   thousands and thousands of pounds worth

01:43:12   it was nice done and his insurance

01:43:15   company wouldn't pay because they said

01:43:17   tweeting that he was on holiday was a

01:43:19   security breach that voided his

01:43:21   insurance policy and this was whole

01:43:22   debate going on now about whether or not

01:43:24   if you tweet that you're away from your

01:43:26   house and your house gets robbed whether

01:43:28   you should be insuring and I want to

01:43:29   know what you think of that I agree with

01:43:31   the insurance company on this one and

01:43:34   this is actually a moment to answer a

01:43:37   question that a bunch of people have

01:43:38   asked which is you remember for a while

01:43:43   I had the gray health bot that was

01:43:45   tweeting out my weight every day yeah I

01:43:48   stopped that in no small part because I

01:43:52   realized after I was traveling that that

01:43:57   thing was was essentially an indicator

01:43:59   of if I was traveling or if I was not

01:44:02   traveling because I'm I'm not bringing

01:44:04   my internet-connected scale with me

01:44:06   wherever I go and even if I was bringing

01:44:08   it I would be in a different time zone

01:44:09   and the the weight measurements would go

01:44:12   up at a different time and I felt

01:44:15   uncomfortable with having a very clear

01:44:16   indicator on the Internet

01:44:19   about when I was or was not home so I

01:44:22   stopped that I stopped doing that and

01:44:26   III feel like I got to go with the

01:44:28   insurance company on this one yeah if

01:44:30   you're tweeting about not being home I

01:44:32   can I can see that that's uh that's a

01:44:36   definitely like an invitation to burgle

01:44:39   a house in a way difficult situation

01:44:43   there was a not so funny it's an

01:44:44   unfortunate situation where you know

01:44:46   people who want who likes sharing their

01:44:48   adventures and stuff okay let's let's

01:44:50   take the internet out of this do you

01:44:52   think if it's a Brady the next time you

01:44:55   go on vacation you pack up all your

01:44:56   things you're gonna be really diligent

01:44:58   on Twitter you're not gonna say anything

01:44:59   but you put a big sign in the front yard

01:45:02   that says we are not home and and you

01:45:05   only take it down when you return what

01:45:08   how do you feel about that well there's

01:45:13   two different there's a different thing

01:45:14   going on them but yeah oh I know it I

01:45:17   know it's a different thing going on

01:45:18   this is what I feel like this is a

01:45:19   patented Brady analogy right ladies it's

01:45:21   like we've subtly shifted the ground

01:45:24   here but I'm just I'm curious

01:45:26   if you had done such a thing and you got

01:45:29   robbed and the insurance company said

01:45:30   you put a please rob me sign in front of

01:45:32   your your house no we're not gonna cover

01:45:34   it no no no no no they've changed the

01:45:36   analogy now you've said please rub my

01:45:38   side is different I'm not right okay oh

01:45:40   I think insurance companies should cover

01:45:42   you for normal behavior and is normal

01:45:46   behavior to go on a holiday and share

01:45:49   pictures while you're on holiday and

01:45:50   like how far do we have to take this

01:45:53   you're saying we have to create like all

01:45:55   these deceptions like next they're going

01:45:57   to say you have to start pre-programming

01:46:00   Facebook posts of photos of you at home

01:46:03   that automatically upload every two or

01:46:05   three days when you're on holiday as an

01:46:07   extra layer of protection yeah actually

01:46:10   I have how far is this gonna go how much

01:46:14   how much onus is on us like if you if

01:46:17   you left a sign at the front saying my

01:46:19   house is unlocked you are free to come

01:46:21   and take stuff okay the insurance

01:46:23   company could probably say well hang on

01:46:24   yeah that is not even burglary yeah but

01:46:26   posting a picture like it's not like the

01:46:29   house wasn't locked like you are allowed

01:46:31   to be not home and going to

01:46:33   things I mean this happens to footballer

01:46:35   sometimes when they're playing games Oh

01:46:36   overseas like you know they're playing a

01:46:38   big famous game like there was one

01:46:40   footballer who was playing something

01:46:41   like a Champions League farm or

01:46:42   something over in Europe and because it

01:46:44   was such a big game they knew his family

01:46:45   will be going to watch and he got robbed

01:46:47   while he was playing in that game mmm

01:46:49   cuz everyone everyone knew everyone

01:46:50   associated with him was gonna be away

01:46:52   from the house hmm so I mean I don't

01:46:56   know I don't know I think that's

01:46:58   interesting I feel like that puts a real

01:47:00   wrinkle in my thoughts there that

01:47:02   comparison because I agree the insurance

01:47:06   should cover it if he's at work right

01:47:08   but how is how is that different if his

01:47:11   work happens to be going to a sports

01:47:14   game it's out of town right is that any

01:47:17   is that any different from posting on

01:47:18   Twitter his family vacation photos I

01:47:20   would have a very hard time articulating

01:47:22   why I feel like that's difference and so

01:47:25   maybe maybe you're finding a little bit

01:47:28   of a there's a there's a wrinkle here

01:47:30   that I feel like I'm um I've cast doubt

01:47:34   on my certainty from before hmm

01:47:36   interesting it is an interesting dilemma

01:47:38   do you tweet though while you're away

01:47:40   yeah hmm I sometimes do it's interesting

01:47:44   it's interesting not always no ways but

01:47:48   yeah I do I feel I feel very aware of it

01:47:52   I mean you're unusually um go ahead

01:47:55   Brady you can say whatever words it's

01:47:57   puffing into your head I know there's

01:47:58   some word I would describe you as a

01:48:00   warrior you are a person who finds

01:48:02   things to worry about so I can imagine

01:48:04   when you're traveling you would you

01:48:06   would see the worry there is a side

01:48:08   effect here that often when I'm

01:48:09   traveling I have a very hard time

01:48:12   keeping up with even just the normal

01:48:13   things in life like I'm usually

01:48:14   traveling for a very clear purpose and

01:48:17   so I don't want to do a bunch of other

01:48:18   stuff so it is much more easy than

01:48:20   normal to not tweet when I'm traveling

01:48:23   but but I I'm the opposite I find out I

01:48:26   suddenly have all this spare time and I

01:48:28   get angry at myself for eating too much

01:48:30   you know I'm sitting I'm sitting you

01:48:32   know by the beach and you know I'm in

01:48:35   the shade because I don't like being

01:48:36   here too much direct Sun and I'm sitting

01:48:38   there for like two hours and I'm

01:48:39   thinking hmm bit bored might wait

01:48:43   once again I find I find that so

01:48:46   interesting are completely opposite

01:48:47   experiences yeah it's I'm I feel like I

01:48:50   am very monomaniacal when I'm traveling

01:48:52   and and so yeah I don't I don't treat

01:48:54   very much but I but when I do I am

01:48:57   always aware of tweeting stuff and I

01:49:01   often and I put not I don't even tries

01:49:06   to say it exactly but I do often really

01:49:08   time shift when I'm traveling when the

01:49:12   actual tweet goes up yeah like I think I

01:49:15   have never tweeted about being at a

01:49:20   place when I'm at the place right I get

01:49:23   is always later in time then then it

01:49:27   would be so I'm also just aware like

01:49:29   moving things around even when I am

01:49:31   tweeting and I'm and I'm on a trip but

01:49:34   yeah I might be a bit of a bit of a

01:49:36   special case in that one but for sure an

01:49:39   insurance company no matter what we'll

01:49:42   always be trying to find a way to not

01:49:43   pay on the policy

01:50:54   yeah that's a microphone mr. chompers

01:50:58   that's how uncle gray does his podcasts

01:51:01   okay now no chomping the microphone and

01:51:03   chomp your bone