The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the incomparable number 146 to plan to [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► podcast I'm your host Jason snow and in [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► this episode we're going to talk about a [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► recent movie release so many of the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► things we do on this podcast it's [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► classic stuff stuff that's been out for [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► a while but in the last few months we've [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► been trying to do a few of the summer [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► movies and and get them out there sooner [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► and so this is something that came out [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► not too long ago as we record this week [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► and a half ago [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► it's a man of steel the zack snyder [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► directed Superman movie and we're going [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► to talk about it for the next hour ish [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► probably unless we all get very [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► frustrated and say this podcast is over [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► and then i'll be the shortest episode [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► ever [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► joining me to talk about the new [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► Superman movie are my three [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► distinguished panelists Dan Morgan hi [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► dan thanks for coming thanks for being [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► I Jason it's great to be back after such [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► a long time away from the incomparable [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► yeah you say that but the other episodes [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► i've recorded with you recently aren't [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► going to air for weeks now but I'm just [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► screwing with our audience just between [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► you and me we've done a lot of these [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► this week John siracusa is also here [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► John thanks for being here does this [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► title have missing colon 2 or is that [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► not a thing but me and you will not see [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► yes man of colon steel XO man of steel [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► no that's I would watch that movie [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► totally different character Action Man [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► O'War and because of the yeah that was a [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► reference the comic reference brought [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► him out it's more sense to you on high [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► moisture is I Jason I'd like to think of [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► myself as the the crypto in this lineup [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► yes Oh Krypto the Superdog he will be [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► making an appearance on a on a on a [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► future in comfortable life is one of us [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► Supergirl is one of us like Beppo boppo [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► buca di beppo know but both a superchip [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► about the super cheap yeah alright sorry [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► i was reading an interview with David [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Goyer this morning in which he talks to [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► tell the story about sitting on set with [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► russell crowe and says to him [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► yeah the senior going to be acting [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► opposite beppo the super to cross your [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► arm I'll just looks at him and it's like [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► are you will leave in kidding me and it [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► was like yeah yeah I'm just kidding [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► so this is a I like to talk about when [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► the movie was made this is a movie from [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► 2013 how was released last week so it's [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► it's not it's not a classic but we're [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► going to dive in just [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► we did with iron man and star trek and [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna blow the spoiler horn here [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► because really even though I ok let's [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► defense out he's an alien [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► oh yeah jor-el dies kryptonics blows up [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► a Superman color can do the same guy [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► that would have been a really bold move [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► if they decided like maybe let's not [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► just blow up Krypton the Sun like it's [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► still there when he can shoot lasers [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► from his eyes narrow drops red matter [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► into Klingon planet Krypton and it blows [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► up it's very sad to see that would be [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► really shaking things up bringing the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► arms and in sit and Romulans from the [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► future man is from the homeworld of the [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► Klingons so Warner Brothers buys [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► paramount merges star trekkin see all [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► spoilers real and imagined we're going [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► to talk about what's in this movie which [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► means if you have not seen this movie [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► you should not listen to this episode [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► unless you are crazy person and if [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► you're a crazy person I don't want to [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► get near you because you might stab me [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► so do whatever you like [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► horn [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► there is porn spoken so I man of steel [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► this is a movie that was written by what [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► David lawyer and christopher nolan Jonah [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► Nolan no no one no one bucknell no [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► Christopher Nolan Ryan and so [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► Christopher Nolan who brought us the [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► dark knight trilogy that the Batman [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► Begins trilogy and so that there but [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► it's zack snyder the director of 300 and [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► watch men an interesting combination [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► I've seen a lot of articles that sort of [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► like in this Superman reboot 22 dark [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► night movies I'm not sure I necessarily [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► buy that but it's definitely I think [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► Superman shooting for [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► unlike Superman Returns which was [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► honoring the those classic Christopher [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► Reeve movies this is a return to the [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► beginning and people who listen being [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► comfortable know that I complain a lot [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► about retelling of origin stories you [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► know I sometimes I guess superheroes [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► most interesting story is their origin [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► other times I wonder though if we've [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► seen all these origins before and [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► they're not that interesting so it we [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► get it here i think so here's the thing [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► i have lots of problems with this movie [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► but I one of the reasons i have problems [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► with this movie is that I think that [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► there are a lot of things this movie [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► does right with a problematic character [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► and Superman who has his 75 years old [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► his origins are a little bit strange [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► they did do some rewriting and [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► refiguring of his origins and I think [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► they I think for a lot of that they do a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► pretty good job so in this movie we see [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► when Krypton there's sort of like [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► political imaginations there's a corrupt [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► Society russell crowe is jor-el he's [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► he's trying to convince the corrupt [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► government to do something because the [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► planet's gonna implode on itself because [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► they've been mining the core or [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► something it's an ecological catastrophe [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► basically but meanwhile General Zod has [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► other ideas [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► he would like to just shoot everybody [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► essentially and that's it and that's [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► sort of how the movie get started we [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► discover that this is what motivates URL [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► to send his son who [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► turns out is the first child born of of [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► woman instead of out of a test tube in [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► Krypton in thousands of years and send [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► his Son and the genetic material that [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► makes up the entire Kryptonian race to [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► earth and meanwhile General Zod is [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► blowing things up and and it was a [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► little like avatar because girl rides on [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► a little like one of those hostages [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► dragon chalice is like a dragonfly [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► yeah something like that which I [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► actually thought was kind of cool [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► this means a great it's a great-looking [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► sequence this whole section of Krypton I [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► think it's actually some of the better [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► green screen work I've seen yeah there's [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► my ride avatar a little bit with a funny [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► flying creatures in the weird shape [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► buildings and stuff well in the design i [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► looked like some of the design i like [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► the little robot you know his little [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► probe guys that you got going around [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► with them that's got scored the what do [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► you call that thing nothing that's like [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► made an impression [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► yeah that's right in the president yeah [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► it's got that thing direction as the is [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► the definition of all technology on [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► Krypton [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► yeah that's as far as they advanced they [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► got to like the nineteen eighties and [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► we're like my head and organ x-men to [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► remember [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► oh yeah oh yeah sharper image was very [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► big on Krypton so I i think it's [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► good-looking there's a lot of good it's [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► good looking effects it's a you know [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► spectacular sequence in terms of just [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► you know literally spectacle but it's [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► also way too long [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► yeah that's what that's what you want to [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► have an opening sequences you want to [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► knock people not people socks off right [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► from the get-go and starting with [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► Krypton wherever is watching this movie [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► knows what's gonna happen like we know [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► we're not going to be spending much of [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► this movie on Krypton Scott blow up [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► pretty soon and yeah it does go a little [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► bit long they could have compressed it a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► little bit but like I when the movie [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► opens I was impressed by the visuals and [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► but because i figured like okay they got [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► to go chop chop chop I gotta have [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► Darrell he complains sends the Sun off [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► final blows up figured that would happen [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► in pretty rapid sequence and the fact [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that they let it run a little bit too [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► long maybe a few too many sequences [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► should have been a warning for the right [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► how they were going to handle the rest [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► of the movie but at that point I was [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► willing to give them the benefit of the [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► doubt inside this look really cool yeah [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► i like the fact that i like how [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► everything played out i like that i like [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► to all the designs and the effects were [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► very impressive and I didn't you know I [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► didn't fall in for anything except [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► dragging out a bit much although in some [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► of those things like [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► it's showing the story about his parents [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► and whatever actress played his mother [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► and everything like i like to the the [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► actress who played his mother I'd like [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► Russell Crowe for the most part when he [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► was on Krypton [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► yeah i guess they wanted to make them [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► into some kind of characters before they [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► killed them off but i don't know if [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► that's essential for superman movie and [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► it made me it kind of makes sense of why [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► he sent to Earth in a retelling the you [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► know again I i don't really is a little [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► I I like well I like I'm trying to make [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► it something that feels a little more [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► modern and relevant and and they didn't [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► want the sort of sci-fi plot route here [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► but you know it was it was kind of [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► interesting it's me it's makto we really [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► need a reason later why Zod is looking [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► at this time like that that's what did I [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► don't think that's terrible you do [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► because I was trying to think back to [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► Superman to him like why was odd there [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► he was just annoyed that he was trapped [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► in a mirror for a long time and you want [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► to feel like this is at least a better [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► motivation because in this in this [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► genetic world where the people are [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► designed for certain roles his role in [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► the role he was designed for dictates [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► that he would go after the guy who's got [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► this genetic code or whatever like it's [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► silly but it you need something to give [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► a character motivation and as far as [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► motivations go it makes sense in context [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► and what's it's a way to explain the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► kind of black-and-white cold war-era [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► villain that Zod was in the Superman [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► mythos where he is he's he's about as [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► nuanced is Cobra Commander in the comics [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► he's just and in this movie and another [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► movie I think I ya is more sympathetic [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► in the movie because it's like that's [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► what is it you know when he goes to [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► everything I've done I've done to save [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► Krypton ago well you know if he was if [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► he was genetically bred to be that [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► particular role as the leader of the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► Armed Forces whose goal is to protect [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► crypt honest it's like a howl 9000 [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► scenario where he was programmed to [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► protect the mission at all costs and [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► ends up doing bad things really is just [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► trying to protect the mission right well [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► that is just trying to save Krypton yes [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► blew up but carrying out his program so [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► to speak [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► this is the logical consequence and it [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► would also make sense that you would [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► have no qualms about doing terrible [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► things because he is also supposed to be [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the leader of the Armed Forces exactly [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► well yeah and despite the fact these [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► leader [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► the Armed Forces i also was was thrown [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► off a little bit by the fact that you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know Russell Crowe in a world where [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► apparently everybody is genetically bred [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► for a specific purpose and yet [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► russell crowe manages to pretty well [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► hold his own against like the top of the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► warrior caste presumably which is it [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► loses in like five minutes it's not like [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► you know but I mean heels that we keep [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► knocking down a couple times like that [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► Johnson the the scientists versus the [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► warrior fights should be over in about [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► three seconds and I and this is an issue [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► i have later on to with the you know [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► which will get to with the the superman [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► vs odd fights to their there is the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► russell crowe suspension of disbelief [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► clause in his contract is science armor [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► yeah you know and yet science armor [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► right science armor and just it's it's [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► something that they're contractually [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► obligated to give Russell Crowe one [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► fight in every movie that he's in where [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► he is the fist of justice fighting [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► against evil and he at least starts to [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► get the upper hand on somebody had [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► happened lame as Rob and they they they [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► made Javert you know more of a more of a [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► a strapping badass the same as gladiator [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► realize i just think this is the least [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► least believable superhero scientists [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► since Arnold Schwarzenegger plate Victor [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► fries couch so I don't want us to stay [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► on Krypton too long like the movie does [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► but uh it is interesting and it and what [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► we end up getting next which I i found a [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► lot of relief about is we don't end up [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► with you know comet kind of thing in the [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► sky people in Kansas wonder what it is [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► thing comes down Jonathan Kent finds it [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► you know be naked baby picks up a car [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► you know all that kind of stuff instead [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► we get a we get an adult more or less [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► Clark and we see him he's kind of a kind [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► of a drifter a traveler going from place [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► to place but he's also renal yeah [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► exactly he's with the beard laws but [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► he's yeah he's scruffy and he's nice [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► though he's not Wolverine Wolverines not [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► nice but he's scruffy and and then in [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► flashback we see sort of the story of [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► him growing up I i like to the attempted [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► to go i was really dreading the yet [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► another retelling of the origin story [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► idea why [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► quite why you dreading that why here a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► lot of people complain all I can see is [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► origin stories in our what is it about [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► the origin story Superman's origin story [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► in particular that is off-putting to you [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► I you know as its not Superman in [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► particular I didn't really want to see [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► spider-man's origin story a second time [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► in ten years either end and it's just [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► it's it's the this ground this [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► particular grounds been tread on with [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► the Superman movies with smallville I [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► mean hanging out years of small i I just [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► I don't know I I worried that it was [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► going to be a story tell me a story that [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► I've heard in exactly the same way I [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► heard it before what I like is they [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► tried to tell it differently and I think [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► it was effective in large part I liked [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► the fact that he is sort of disaffected [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► and I mean alienated from people he [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► wants to do good and he wants to to take [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► care of people when they're in harm's [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► way but he's not part of our world and [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► quite you know quite literally but also [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► just socially he's not part of our world [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► he's he's removed from everybody and [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► then in flashback we see that what his [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► father tells him which is you don't [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► reveal yourself [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► I even if you save people maybe you [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► shouldn't save them be if it's gonna [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► reveal yourself and I'll I just I I [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► guess what i was really dreading was the [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► retelling of that same old story in that [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► same old way and i like that they told [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► it in a different way and got to the [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► point of like why he is what you know [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► for for the first 33 years of his life [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► this sort of secretive figure who who [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► doesn't make any connections other than [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► with his family because he's always [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► drifting on like Bill Bixby and the [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► incredible hulk well see i like to the [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► the substance of that i agree i like [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► that the drift apart in that the stuff [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► they sort of read it I actually wanted [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► more of that and less of the flashback I [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► thought I think for me the flashback [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► lost some of its effectiveness by going [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► so nonlinear where it really bounces [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► around between him as like you know as a [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► kid as a teenager as an adult I felt [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► like it got disjointed to me and I [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► didn't get a clear i never got a clear [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► view of clark as a character you know I [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► I feel being a lot of it because I know [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► who Superman and Clark Kent are but I i [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► did not feel like they did they needed [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► to build up a lot of stuff in order [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► in certain things later on and i don't [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► think that they built up enough of it to [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► actually make those payoffs work i liked [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► the substance of it but I just didn't [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► like the structure bugged me you're not [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► helping the people who confuse us than [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► because you said everything you said I [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► agree with as I want that I want that in [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► writing [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► I I agree I agree so much with with [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► everything that Dan said as well and on [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► the note i think the show's over guys [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► ceiling yeah I think we're done [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► I think we're done now our work here is [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► done Jason I in in something that's kind [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► of a sideways plug I'm glad that I [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► didn't have you on this week's episode [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► of giant size because all we talked [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► about Superman origin story telling and [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► it just would have been in our review [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► yelling and screaming and crying no no I [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► mean I i guess i guess it's the same [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► reason that I'm I'm kind of okay with [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► the retelling of of stories that are [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that are considered sacred I actually [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► end up being more interested in them [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► being told differently than in them [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► being told the same way and and I just I [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► don't know why they are obligatory but [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► it is fine and in like i said in this [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► innocent i didn't mind how they were [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► they were telling him i agree with all [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► of you that the flashbacks [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► I mean that the flashbacks were long but [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► hit-boy they could have been so much [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► like it's not so much of their [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► flashbacks like well first on origin [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► stories I like origin stories [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► particularly superheroes because what I [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► dread in superhero movies is the ones [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► where they settled in where it's like [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► we've set up the world we set up the [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► character we set up the powers this [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► movie is created and tagging it's like [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► James Bond movie create antagonist here [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► goes against antagonist here defeats [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► that world is in the balance here [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► defeats antagonist that's what I find [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► tiresome about the h and when they they [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► change it when they've changed the lead [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► actor more than twice and that I don't [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► want them changing things around it's [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► just like it's like it becomes episodic [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► where I feel like I'm watching scooby [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► doo where it's like up here we go again [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► here at a spot like that and the orange [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► customer you and that even though that [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► story's been told a million times i I'd [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► is my feel more of a human connection it [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► feels less like a person going to work [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► and doing their job feels more like [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► someone growing up and like it's like a [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► coming-of-age story how did they come to [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► terms with the powers and how did they [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► take that the mantle of this thing they [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► want to become and it's in that [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► development from oh I have these gifts [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► what am I going to do with them that [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► causes you to create whatever kind of [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► character you are so what kind of [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► Superman is this what kind of Batman is [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► the tortured soul dark knight batman is [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► it the world's greatest detective Batman [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► is this the dude goody-two-shoes [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► Superman is the the you know the Darkin [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► and more ambiguous Superman is that the [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► alienated Superman and it's through the [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► origin story that you develop that [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► character once the character rods it's [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► kind of like I'm not as excited to see [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► that character have various adventures [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► in battle excellent there in the next [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► movie unless he still has some sort of [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► internal conflict or unless like [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► something happened to him in the first [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► movie that he hasn't quite results kind [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► of like casino royale where that james [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► bond character like he was different [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► character beginning the movie and had [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► bad things happen to him you know he's [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► going to be damaged in the second movie [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► and there was a writer struggle that was [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► kind of but that was kind of his origin [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► story though that was kind of monstrous [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► tries what I'm saying like that that [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► developed that gives you the James Bond [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► it in the land reason which you've um [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► you know I just wanted to say something [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► about origins that which is which is [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► origins are a good story to tell and I [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► don't want to get too far off here but [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► origins are good story to tell but there [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► are other ways to tell stories other [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► than how did I come to be if you it may [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► be harder to tell those stories but it [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► doesn't have to be just sort of [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► completely episodic i mean i can give [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► you an example of you know star star [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► trek it's starting to or started first [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► contact they don't they don't just say [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► how the enterprise came to be it's like [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► there's the characters that are dynamic [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► they have things going on with them you [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► can tell a good story without it being [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► the coming-of-age story i guess maybe [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► that's part of my my feeling too is like [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► it's not the only superhero story i [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► agree and disagree there where to die [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► hard star trek nerds like us start to [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► the wrath of khan and star trek whatever [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► number 9 10 is first contact is seem [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► like they could be great jumping on [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► points but there have been a number of [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► instances where I've tried showing both [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► of those movies to people that just [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► don't know star trek from pete and [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► they're lost out of their minds [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► that's not to say that you know maybe [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► they're their head wasn't in the right [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► space for it but those movies are better [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► at being able to jump into them than [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► some of the other Star Trek movies [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► but I in that specific case I don't feel [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► like they're as easy to get into as the [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► 09 track for people that aren't familiar [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► with it all but honestly I think any [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► version of superman origin story they've [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► done in the movies is equally easy to [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► get into and the function of this one [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► should have been and was apparently to [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► reset the Superman world in modern times [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► and around story elements that will make [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► sense and not be entirely outdated and [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► sort of bigger action landscape but the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► thing that drives me crazy about it [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► about this this that you know trying [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► trying too long with Krypton and too [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► many flashbacks is that they're trying [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► to do do they try to do too many [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► different mechanics at once and that's [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► why it feels long and that's why feels [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► like like they they could have trimmed [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► it down a bit while they're all [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► templated because we're talking about [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► you know we're talking to hero's journey [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► to answer yesterday right right so and [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► this is this is to me where this falls a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► little bit flat is that it does try to [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► mix up the hero's journey a little bit [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► but you know there's a I don't say [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► there's just a comfort to a template [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► like that but there is a familiar part [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► about it and I think that people really [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► respond to that shape of a story and i'm [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► not saying that you need to use that [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► story for everything but you can work [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► against it in some ways that provide a [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► really nice conflict i don't think this [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► did a good enough job of creating that [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► tension to me it felt like a very much a [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► set up as a diametrically like oh we [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► don't want to do that so we're gonna try [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► to do just like different different [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► different at all these points and it [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► doesn't come together cohesively it's [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► very Superman is a problematic character [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► and maybe we'll get there but in so many [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► ways because he is so perfect [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► historically they're trying to make [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► trying to make it different to make the [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► shape of his story a little bit [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► different and and I like a lot of that [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► right and to John's point I think the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► problem with Superman in particular when [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► you talk about you know he's talking [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► about getting at the comfort inn the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► formula the problem Superman is he's [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► he's God right like he he's invulnerable [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► he's indestructible he can beat [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► everybody's got super strength you can [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► fight like he's got everything so don't [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► think his biggest problem is biggest [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► problem is not as powers biggest problem [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► is his personality because you need you [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► want you want to have internal conflict [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► you would think someone with those [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► powers would have inter like the actual [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► Jesus Christ had more internal conflict [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► Superman movies you know to make sure i [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► know and i think you're right i mean i [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► just think in with Batman or you know [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► iron man where it's like all right this [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► is a person who can get hurt and killed [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► I think you know you do want to see [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► internal conflict but there's also an [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► external part of it where Superman's [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► like Superman beats everything right [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► like Superman is just the trump card [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► well in in those in those previous [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► adaptations so often the Superman [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► paragon of virtue who always gets there [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► in the nick of time is different than [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► and I think this is this is a big point [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► that is the reason that a lot of super [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► diehard fans have railed against the [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► movie is the scale of destruction that [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► that the movie gets into we'll get to [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► that but we'll get to that but I want to [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► get a few more things on the origin [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► before we get off it for good one about [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► the the tooth the the JJ Abrams Star [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► Trek's the first to that be the first to [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► and only Jason Star Trek's are both [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► origin stories because the first one is [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► yeah here's how these characters come to [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► be and the second one is you know by the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► end of the movie they're on their [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► five-year mission right it's just not a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► retelling greatly never told it and the [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► difference is the differences that i [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► look forward to seeing the adventures of [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► the Star Trek Enterprise crew on their [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► five-year mission because I maybe that's [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► what I expect out of Star Trek or [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► there's enough moving parts but I feel [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► like they have there's so many [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► possibilities that can go to all sorts [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► of different worlds you can have [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► different characters be the focus you [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► can have different things happen you can [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► kill off characters who had some [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► ensemble cast whereas with a single [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► superhero movie you're not going to kill [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► them off because unless you would like [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you're going to immediately bring them [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► back or something like that and he's [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► going to have some sort of villain and [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► it's going to be the world in crisis and [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► he's going to you know it's like I don't [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► want to see you Superman going to work [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and doing this job and I would rather [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► see you around each bank robbers right [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► now that I was gonna say the same thing [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► John it which is maybe the reason that [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► they keep telling superhero origin [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► stories is that there aren't any other [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► good i mean i would like to believe [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► there are other good superhero stories [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► to tell [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► but maybe it's much more difficult i [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► mean that like spider-man 2 is an [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► example where there's more but I mean [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► there there are but it can't be it can't [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► be about the plot though it's like world [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► war two movies are not about world war [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► two there about the people who are in [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► world war two so it's super hero movies [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► have to be about the superhero person [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► dealing channel and personal issues with [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► the backdrop of [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► you know this thing this thing this that [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► spider-man 2 is such a great movie will [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► end in spider-man 2 and in intern is [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► like Superman to which he does the same [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► thing right there both cases they sort [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► of like I'm not going to be a hero [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► anymore right and I'm gonna spider-man [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► you know more hours right like Superman [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► does then Superman to as well as it [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► that's that that's the internal struggle [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► I mean it's also again it's becomes kind [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► of not exactly cliche but it is a trope [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► right of the superhero like no I'm [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► putting too many people in danger or [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► whatever I just going to be a normal [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► person as superintendent have that [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► problem this movie I want to stop for a [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► moment to talk about our sponsor yes [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► once again this is becoming a wonderful [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► trendy and uncomfortable as a sponsor [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► and this sponsor is a glue glue is an [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► intranet for your for your work your for [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► your place of employment that you'll [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► actually like I know you've heard about [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► they're a bunch of different services [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► that do things like you know corporate [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► blogs or internal calendars or like a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► chat room or a twitter-like thing all [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► the wiki all these different kind of [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► things that you can get and set up for [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► your for your work equals all of those [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► things it is blogs and calendars and [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► file sharing and forums and micro blogs [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► and wiki's and all that stuff its social [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you can comment on any kind of content [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► you can add mention your coworkers [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► you can follow content for updates so [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► it's like a whole social internet for [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► your work you can add on rooms little [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► mini glue is you create an entire like [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► igloo complex and have your own personal [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► igloo fortress of solitude [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► ah Superman tie-in fortress of solitude [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► anyone come on Dan you have to like that [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► i may have left slightly i will just ask [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► you know I like us having sponsors can [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► it be one of those things like when [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► you're in Little League and they put [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► their name on the gallows shirts and the [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► other sponsors name and software on the [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► back and then we all get this week [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► afterwards can yes we can sold already a [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► guy's a clue a clue software will will [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► be buying t-shirts for our softball team [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► and and so fortress of solitude many [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► clues [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► you don't have to be in Canada to use a [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► clue software is available everywhere [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► even where it's warm [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► these igloos won't melt super easy to [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► use [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► the whole thing's drag-and-drop this [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► responsive design Typekit fonts so it [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► looks really great [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► it's secure if you've got somebody in [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► your business [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► I've got a few in mind you say oh no we [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► can't use third-party apps insecure and [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► people read all our important stuff [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► enterprise-grade security so your stuff [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► we stay safe you can start using it [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► right away and here is a great thing [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► about a clue software it is absolutely [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► free to use for up to 10 people so [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► you've got a small workgroup you can [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► just use it go ahead and use it now and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► then when you've got the like oversized [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► igloo you gotta bring in some more [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► blocks of ice you gotta clicks clear the [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► Moose out and get some more ice out and [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► build up even like a giant igloo or one [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► of those ice hotels like in Sweden [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► twelve dollars per person per for each [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► month for every extra person that you [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► get but it's all of your internet stuff [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► for your for your work and here's how [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► you get it you go to a very special URL [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► generated just for us i think with John [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► siracusa in mind go to igloo [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► software.com / Vader that's right if you [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► don't know how to spell Vader you are [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► listening to the wrong podcast igloo [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► software.com / Vader and you can start [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► building your a glue and Darth Vader's [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► igloo has a little top part and a little [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► bottom part of ice and then they come [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► together and he lives inside that is [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► black black ice [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► no it's white ice and he's the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► black-clad guy sign outside white icing [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► means I'll ok very good [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► that's right that's that's it igloo [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► software.com / Vader to build Darth [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► Vader's igloo and your own personal [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► business a clip it's an interesting by [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► the way that this summer we got two [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► movies where a classic villain played [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► played by a very interesting actor from [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► about 30 years ago in the second movie [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► in a film series got replayed in a it in [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► a summer movie because Terran stamps [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► General Zod and Superman to is such a [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► great a great character i think it was [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► smart of them to put all the Krypton [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► stuff in one movie here [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► although it is kind of overstuffed and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► it gives you a direct line between why [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► Superman was sent to earth and why [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► General Zod is angry and I think that's [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► what they tried to do in the original [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► superman and they ended up splitting it [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► into two movies but i like that that [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► they sort of like put it all in here and [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► and try to get out of the way I thought [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► that was interesting i do wonder if [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► people who are diehard Superman fans are [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► upset by some of the canonical changes [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► that are in here like lowest lame [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► figures out you know cause identity it's [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the other direction she figures out from [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► his mysterious appearances and ends up [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► at his childhood home in Kansas I [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► thought that was interesting and made [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► Lois Lane a little more interesting [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► it's certainly not the canon of Superman [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► but one man or that were freaking out [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► but I thought it was good that might [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► have been my favorite part of the movie [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► because for ages i've been i've been [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► waiting for somebody to not just iterate [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► on Lois Lane being the same dumb broad [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► in the newsroom who she's appealing [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► surprise winner here eight amy adams did [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► not come across as a dummy and everyone [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► else can recognize faces though [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► enforceable that's true the entire what [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► we wanted [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► yeah that is I kept thinking when [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► watching this movie is so we have that [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► scene where where she goes up to the [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► Arctic and then we have guests cameos [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► from two different battlestar galactica [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► actors yeah yeahs America data and he'll [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► oh yeah and so I end so then you know we [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► haven't go on the ship and Amy Adam Lois [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► Lane follows them onto the ship and then [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► she gets shot by the like security [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► system and he has to save her and so I'm [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► sitting there the whole time thinking [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► like as we're doing the lead-up like [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► she's gonna find him in the ship and [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► what's he gonna say like I was like [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► maybe he'll tell her he's a reporter [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► from her and that's how we'll get the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► Clark Kent ID and then when I you know [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► when when he's trying to heal her right [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► like he cauterizes the wound I think it [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► up so they're going well there's no way [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► she's not going to recognize him if he [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► ever shows up as Clark Kent right [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► because you're like two feet away from [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► this guy if he doesn't look that does [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► not wearing glasses or anything so he's [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► not going to fool you with that that's [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► part of the conceit of the hero of [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► mission of this entire show was that for [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► some reason we can't recognize that [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► money has it may be glamorous than like [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► this part vampire [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► this is the it's the there's the tick [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► character was a Clark Oppenheimer or [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► something worse the hypno glasses [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► yeah yeah so but the thing that i agree [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► i liked the lois lane tracking him down [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► part the the difficulty sort of feeds [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► back into that same comment I made [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► earlier where I think it robs us of a [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► little bit of the Clark Kent setup also [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► i will say this now because you know and [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► I realize this reaches the head towards [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► the end of the movie but is anyone else [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► really concerned that maybe like he [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► didn't actually go to college or have a [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► degree in journalism anything to get [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► hired [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► he's a fraud he's don't nobody checks [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► resume and he's very persuasive and very [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► soon as that stopped any blog i assumed [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► the lowest vouches for him and said well [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► that's that's why would people kept [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► saying but I'm like I don't know like [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► you feel like there's probably a lot of [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► reporters going hungry now because they [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► didn't even a way downhill there i'm [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► just saying they're given jobs away to [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► illegal aliens left and right now he [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► works you i want one more thing in the [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► origins before we leave it for good oh [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► yeah you already had one more time this [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► is my final think it's alright alright [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► so the the trailers really leaned on the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► the origin story and like the seams with [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► kevin costner and the voice-over and all [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► that other stuff like that and as Dan [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► said the way they cut it together like [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► if you follow the traditional arc that's [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► fine and if you do it well it works [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► really well if you want to go against [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► that traditional story and riff on it [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► you need to be really good and they did [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► not successfully respond and I think it [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► undercut all the things i wanted to see [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► in the movie by chopping up the way they [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► did and I think they chopped it up the [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► way they did because they wanted to get [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► Amy Adams on screen as soon as possible [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► you can't have the whole first half of [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► the movie not feature Amy Adams pcs not [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► grown up yet and he doesn't meet her [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► because she's presently not the same [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Tennyson some I think that Rob that [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► whole section of the movie of momentum [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► of force I did not like jumping forward [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► adult then remember when you were a kid [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► then remember your adult remember your [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► kid I wanted to because that you didn't [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► didn't work for me i would rather have [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► seen them go traditional chronological [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► he lands on the planet you don't give us [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► a like you don't do the baby holding a [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► car but just go through his is growing [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► up period as it as a gentle ramp into [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► because all those things were mostly [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► good with the kids felt alien he didn't [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► hand but the fact that we kept jumping [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► back and forth it was like I was [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► watching [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► two stories and they did not cut [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► together and it's actually not if I [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► could not agree more i cannot possibly [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► reward they were trying to do too many [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► things to do things as unconventionally [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► as they could and they were just doing [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► it to do it and not doing it because it [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► actually serve the story in the best way [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► to say something about the flashback [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► structure [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► yeah i think the problem with some of it [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► is the flashback is supposed to lend you [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► like I remember this time you're a kid [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► need this thing happened to that really [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► impacted you later my last it's like [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► lost they want to enter cut it like lost [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► but that doesn't yes right doesn't work [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► because the problem is that you already [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► know all like there's nothing surprising [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► and you have to do you have to say with [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► him in the journey like that right [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► talent chronological then you start to [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► identify with him and you feel like [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► you're the the alien kid and you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► sympathize with him and like that's what [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► you need to do you don't need to go [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► oh but like lost oh by the way here is [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► this scene from the past that informs [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► the current behavior because i lost you [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► you in lost you care about the current [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► situation and in this story you need [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► people to care about your childhood and [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► what it was like you you know and it was [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► just like we didn't care that much about [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► him as an adult and we didn't need to be [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► informed of these things and we weren't [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► tied to the childhood story they were [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► always like flashbacks and we could have [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► gotten vignettes of the childhood stuff [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and do it in order and and again i know [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► i find myself using a method of [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► argumentation that that seems like stuff [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► that I always complained about and tell [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► people they're idiots for for doing but [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► if they had just done it in order it [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► worked it worked so much better and and [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► trusting the build to work and yes okay [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► the story's been told seven different [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► times but there are different bits of [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► that story that you can tell in [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► different ways that achieves what they [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► were selling in the trailer a lot better [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► than we actually got executed the movie [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► yeah i heard that I like I mean I was [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► super psyched about seeing the trailer I [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► thought it was really well zone so I [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► came back from the movie and I I said [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► something on Twitter we're basically [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► said I was disappointed the movie and a [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► bunch of people who haven't seen it yet [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► because i saw this on the saturday i [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► think that came out said they were [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► really disappointed cuz i like the [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► trailer and I like the trailer 2 and my [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► take on it when i look back at that [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► trailer is they put the best things in [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► the movie in the trailer they did I mean [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► really good friend [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► I'm all kevin costner scenes were in the [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► trail yeah single right and they cut it [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► together really well and they have music [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► and that seemed where he says can I just [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► pretend to be your son and he says you [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► are my son [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► I mean that's a scene that there any [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► parents gonna look at and be like oh my [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► god it's like such a trailer that i [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► didn't her letter because there's like [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► you have been like a first time on [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► camera and you know they need to build [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► up they need to build up to that with [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► him and yeah I agree completely [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► it robbed it of the emotion because in [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► the trailer it does [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► he's got that little crack in his voice [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► and that sells you right there like it's [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► beautiful but they spent all of that [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► sympathetic currency all in the trailer [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and you've got to have stuff that more [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► women making want to see the movie but [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► then you gotta have more [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► yeah you gotta go somewhere beyond that [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► in the movie itself or people go oh I [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► was in and by the way this is this is my [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► favorite that was my favorite travels [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► past year and my favorite part of the [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► trails were listing them was the one [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► where his mother says they'll kill him [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and the father says how which is a great [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► line that's followed by the trailer if [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► the movie had seven more of those lines [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► surrounding that it would have been [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► better but just had the one line that I [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► heard before yeah that no they did this [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► so so we're talking about things that [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► would that work and they put the things [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► that worked in the trailer and and I [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► know that we people who really love this [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► movie and maybe love it on uncritically [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► and and just think it's the best will be [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► quite upset by the fact that we've [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► picked apart and complained about a lot [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► of things that are in the first part of [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► the movie [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► make no mistake i enjoyed watching the [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► first part of the movie and it got my [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► hopes up that this was going to be a [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► very good movie that solved a lot of the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► Superman problems and then came the [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► second half of the movie which I gotta [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► say completely lost any goodwill I had [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► toward it and in the end made me I think [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► dislike it even more than i would have [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► if it had just been kind of pour from [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► the start and hadn't gotten my hopes up [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► i would just wave my hand like a this is [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► just crappy instantly got my hopes up [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► like yeah you know who they're mainly [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► just wanted right decisions they're [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► trying to work around a lot of problems [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► of Superman is a character trying to [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► tell the story in a different way you [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► know that they had those cool things [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► that were in the trailer that we're in [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► this in this movie you know it's not all [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► great but I'm encouraged by it and then [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► we get to the second half we get to [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► General Zod [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► coming to Earth and for me it for me it [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► goes off the rails and I want to talk [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► about General Zod for a little bit i [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► want to talk about michael shannon [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► Michael Shannon an interesting actor in [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► the scenes in on Krypton where he's [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► trying to talk and reason with people I [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► felt like he was having trouble getting [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► the words out I think he actually was I [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► think it's a terrible performance in [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► those scenes I think he's a bad he's [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► being a bad actor and I wondered why did [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► the world did they cast him for this job [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► is not being a bad actor have you seen [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► him on boardwalk empire [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► well I haven't if you if you've seen him [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► on Boardwalk Empire you would recognize [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► the performance because it's like a case [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► where their trade their traits of the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► actor that come through in their [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► performances [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► it's sort of the opposite of meryl [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► streep i saw me that means sorority girl [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► in that in that viral video up might [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► what I was going to say though is that [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► at the end of the movie when he's kind [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► of a maniac and shouting a lot i like ah [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► that's why they cast him because he's [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► really good at being a menacing maniac [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► and shouting a lot but in the beach but [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► i think i think it's uh I would you put [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► this guy in charge of your military how [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► many things have you seen him in I'm [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► dying I'm dying right now iíve seen him [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► in this movie and in the thing where [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► he's the sorority girl and I like that a [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► lot better than this there was much [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► better performance if you had seen him [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► or you would know you've got to see him [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► take shelter you've got to see him in [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► mud that the thing the thing about [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► Michael Shannon is the reason they cast [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► him in what he was able to do in the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► movie are totally different things [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► fair enough all i can say is somebody [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► who I'm not gonna I'm not gonna look at [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► the an actor's backstory and in order to [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► judge his performance in the movie and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► this movie he was a disaster and I would [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► actually say when I was walking on the [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► movie it when my wife and I were talking [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► about it and and I said remember when we [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► were talking about how lucky the star [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► trek people were that they got Benedict [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► Cumberbatch because he did a really good [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► job [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► well this is what happens when you get [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► an actor who doesn't do a very good job [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► better which character the ad or the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► dialogue because it's bad dialogue to I [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► think right i mean it's not always the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► actors fault if they got miscast but [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► this performance doesn't work for me i [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► think it's i think it's awful i mean i [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► just i think the characters awful the [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► dialogue is awful and the performances [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► awful what what I'll say is i'm not i'm [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► not disagreeing with you that [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► that as a whole piece it doesn't work [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► what I'm getting at is that iíve I put [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► a whole lot more of it on the miscasting [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► miss framing side of things because [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► Michael Shannon is an actor who is the [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► king of loci and and the reason that I [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► site that other stuff that he's been in [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► is that them transporting him into this [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► movie in this role in theory under the [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► most i yield ideal circumstances [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► possible in theory he could absolutely [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► kill that role in theory but in [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► execution this is a guy who friend of [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► mine interviewed once and asked him if [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► he had gotten into blu-ray yet he was [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► like what's what's that sounds like some [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► kind of like Godzilla monster laser yeah [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► sort of laser a know he like he had lead [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► they had no idea what the guy was [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► talking about when you surround a guy [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► who is you know like a a hardcore [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► theater actor Loki dude is all about [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► character working process and all that [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► kind of stuff and not all of the green [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► screen motion-captured dot BS he allayed [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► they say it's more it's more not that [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► they put him out of his depth but that [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► they transplanted them into a world that [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► just didn't make sense to mesh him with [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► I mean if the the big the big thing is [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► this is the first time that he's done [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► something of this scale of the scope of [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► this filmmaking style and it would be it [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► would be like putting John Diehl good in [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► 300 i would watch that movie i think it [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► makes a difference that is what what [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► other things you've seen even though [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► because jason has seen but Benedict [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► Cumberbatch in Sherlock right of things [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► and if you like i said if you see this [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► actor in his other roles he is like one [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► of those actors who has personality [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► characteristic can't help but show [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► through in the roles that like I said [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► it's the opposite of Meryl Streep who [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► appears to have no personality of her [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► own when she's in a role she totally [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► inhabits it right he and his thing and [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► the roles that he plays is simmering [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► repressed feelings that he tries to keep [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► down but that inevitably come out in a [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► burst of rage right that is that is [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► maybe it's his real personality but he [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► plays lots of roles like that and he [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► plays them very well like that's where [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► you started this the sorority girl was [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► it is a great example right where you [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► the beginning of the movie he's trying [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► to keep that stuff tamp down which may [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► not be appropriate for General Zod right [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► I but his weird personality during that [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► point that looks like bad acting is just [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► him doing that thing he does when it's [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► someone trying to keep it together when [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► they have just incredible raging at the [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► end of the movies when the rage comes [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► out I don't think that's the appropriate [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► character for General Zod but that's [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► what he was doing and in the movie and [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► if you would see in other roles i was [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► completely comfortable with him doing [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► that but I kept thinking is he the right [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► guy for this he's not maybe I'll take [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► enough he's not maybe menacing enough i [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► don't feel like he would be repressing I [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► feel like he would be more confident [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► because he's always like in his other [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► roles less confident and that's why he's [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► repressing this and that's not doesn't [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► fit with General Zod and everything so I [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► don't fault is acting I fought the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► casting and yes of course the scripture [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► in the dialogue were not we're not [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► helping him I felt the haircut and the [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► goatee both of those i thought were not [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► scary [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► the girl the girl was really good though [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► I liked her oh yeah she was good evenin [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► yeah i should say I mean when we talk [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► about acting I mean you can never tell [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► what the movie so complicated thing that [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► I can say I don't like Michael Shannon [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► in this movie it may it may or may not [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► be his fault because it's a whole [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► confluence of things including the [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► casting an actor you know can only do so [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► much with apart if he was miscast he can [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► try his best and he it's still not [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► welcome across you know but but it [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► doesn't i can say this i think this is [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► one of the big not the biggest but one [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► of the big liabilities in this movie is [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► I don't think he's the right guy for [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► this part i'm not sure who is but I just [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► don't think he's the right guy I want to [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► flip this for one second and say that I [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► I thought I really thought Henry Cavill [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► was actually pretty good [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► I just didn't think they gave me [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► anything get do I know he was he was [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► good and if if he fit the role well it's [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► just again i don't think they give him [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► enough to do there's only three or four [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► points where he's got like so he's got [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► the scene it's interesting earlier than [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► later right here always got the scene in [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► the restaurant where you like defends [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the waitress right then he walks away [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► and you've got the one seen I like to [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► sing with him at the very end where he's [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► talking to the general and you know he [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► has a little bit of personality there [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► and the scene where he's in the [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► interrogation room with a met with Lois [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► Lane also they're like little spots with [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► him because again we talked about this [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► earlier with the problem Superman being [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► like well he's you know if he's very [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► good e2 shoes is really boring but like [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► I thought [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► all was well cast he looks like looks [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► like the piano lesson one to squeeze in [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► the fence railing like that and yeah [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► that was great [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► looks like the adult actor and [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► everything just just a shortage of stuff [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► for them to do [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► yeah the problem with him and the [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► problem with a lot of this movie is this [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► sounds weird but like this one of the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► first thing I seen in a long time I felt [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► like there was not enough script like [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► the gentlemen we have worked on the [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► graters because the words that were you [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► weren't always terrible some scenes were [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► hit something for mrs. Bigelow just [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► should be more script there i was [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► thinking of you while I was watching [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► this movie because there is a scene that [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► is very much like you described episode [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► one where characters are actually just [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► saying their motivations out loud for it [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► I i will do I i am i'm here to destroy [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► this world because then Krypton will [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► come back and that is what i want to do [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► so that is all I'm going to do that and [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► and know the results there's you're a [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► monster Zod and I will stop you [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► oh I am the unmovable force i am the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► unmovable force that will move you do is [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► I did somebody leds x like zack snyder [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► rewrite parts of the script or what [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► happened here you let it burn half the [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► pages apparently let's talk about let's [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► talk about the fights they're too big [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► fights there's a fight that in a small [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► it was it only do I didn't say it was [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► either one giant fight or thousands of [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► smith that's oh ok now now they set [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► apart what are you talking about you [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► talking about the movable objects we [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► talk about zack snyder i did get the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► sense that this was the equivalent of [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► somebody with to action figures just [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► kind of go and you know when i get each [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► oh that's great ungu save you lose me [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► you got to have the coconut you're [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► banging them together we get you I'm [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► gonna get you and then what happens when [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► you whack to action figures against each [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► nothing because they're just plastic and [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► nothing happens when you have a giant [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► special-effects budget so so everything [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► but so the fact that nothing happened [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► isn't the problem it's the property [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► damage [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► well it's it's there's two problems [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► first there's a a dramatic problem with [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► these fights which is you have to [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► invincible or or in the case of a [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► smallville battle 3i guess invincible [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► people and they they beat the crap out [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► of each other and buildings were damaged [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► whole cities are destroyed and we'll get [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► to that but but the boring part people [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► have some people when i said that this [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► movie was boring say what do you mean [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► there was all [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► action like you know people beating on [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► each other when literally you can't see [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► any effect where it's like Zod and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► Superman go at it and they they go at it [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► so hard and they aren't bloodied they [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► are mean occasionally there they like [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► fall down and then they get up and kind [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► of shake their head but there's there's [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► no sense that that uh you know like a [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► video game there's like a little power [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► bar and the power bars going down there [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► is absolutely no sense that we're [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► progressing and so instead it's just [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► like I don't even know what i'm watching [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► this vid the to what end is this fight [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► happening able nobody asking for it [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► doesn't make sense because it's like all [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► right I punched him it didn't seem to do [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► anything but if I punch him harder maybe [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► that what not didn't do anything [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► let me try again what if i throw my like [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► it and there's a point where you feel [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► like they were just get really tired and [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► just be like alright let's just like [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► five minute break i guess they don't get [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► tired there's get bored but they have [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► like a tool that using this movie is you [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► just put the people Superman cares about [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► in peril like that's the usual move is [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► you know you get Lois Lane you get his [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► mother whatever and then something is [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► finally expected yeah Superman can't get [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► hurt right hand he saved you know [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► whoever ready I'm not see I mean that's [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► cheap ploy but at least that's something [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► but yet they're just hitting each other [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► and everything especially since suit [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► both of them seem motivated by anger as [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► if like if I just get angry or when I do [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► this it will have a different effect but [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► I don't see how you get away from the [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► property damage because that I think [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► undercuts to trans character yeah [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► in general and for the end for the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► earlier part of this movie so so much [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► that it just right [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► hey there's a great a great review i [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► read this morning by a Scott Lynch the [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► fantasy author where he wrote a very [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► long review of man of steel and I think [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► he nailed this perfectly like you know [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► this is Superman right you're not going [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► to he would move the fight he would go [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► somewhere else where people would not [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► into a basket over the ocean or movement [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► he would not engage you know this is the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► big point of contention that that I [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► think has more than any other element of [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► movie people tied up in knots one way or [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► another and the the reason that I i [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► mentioned to you Jason that I think I [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► think I came I came I ended up coming [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► down on the naco side of things which [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► are making a lot of assumptions about [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► Andy's opinion he said that it had [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► problems but that it was what a super [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► hero movie was supposed to be which it [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► as I said to my wife in the car driving [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► back from dinner tonight [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► this movie is so vastly inferior to the [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► Avengers but he's not here to defend it [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► so so go ahead myself so for me for me [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the the thing that happens with these [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► fights that is so counter to what our [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► expectations should be Superman is that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► no he does not move the fight to site B [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► that doesn't have a bunch of helpless [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► people in the way and so on and so forth [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► but the framing the movie sets it up [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► such that well Superman hasn't really [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► had a fight of this scale to deal with [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► and as unsatisfying as it is to a lot of [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► people some much more than others [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► I'm unsatisfying me that there there's [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► all this destruction all this death all [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► of these innocence that are dying not [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► near him or because of stuff that's [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► happening with him but because of him [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► because he's somehow not able to save [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► them to some extent but he's killing me [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► he's not saving them yet really killing [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► them life crashing by punching is odd [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► through a building filled with people [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► all those people in the building by this [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► this is the massive the massive [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► consequence moment that we haven't [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► gotten Superman origin stories [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► previously where he is he is not he's [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► witty he's willfully not paying [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► attention to the amount of destruction [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► to consolidate our movie that's the [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► movie you wanted to see but that's not [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► the movie they put on the screen because [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► I'm the screen they had him occasionally [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► saving some token person to remind you [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► that Superman and on the screen they [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► didn't have him looking at any point [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► saying oh my God look what I've done [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► I've killed half the city they like they [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► didn't do that they didn't they didn't [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► put it in the movie it's not that he [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► didn't take it to site B we never saw [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► him try to take it suicide or rear-end [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► Miller is rare consequently could never [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► write read it he never acted like that [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► but they like i said in the middle of [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► the fight they have him try to like save [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► some random person and they had like [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► that the Daily Planet people be in in [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► stupid peril briefly because the [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► smashing machine is coming and it was [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► like like what's the point of that some [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► and Superman going off to the side and [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► saving somebody depending on your bench [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► you're like okay [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► oh I wish she did more of that I wish he [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► had I wish she was saving people like [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► the ultimate so that's one way to go the [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► other way to go is that's not what I [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► think they should be doing here instead [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► they should have him losing control of [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► his power and destroying everybody [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► regretting it if he's gonna be [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► regretting it why is he taking time out [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► to save some talking character in the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► middle of a fight because like they were [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► there working at odds I don't feel like [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► that the movie you want to see my sensei [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► was it wasn't on the screen it was in [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► your head and that's the thing is is [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► where i wanted that moment of regret to [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► come by the end of this movie as [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► supremely counterintuitive as it sounds [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► I feel like they're setting that up as [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► the inciting incident of the next movie [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► which i think is ridiculous and terrible [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► and the most corporate way to make [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► movies that makes this movie a failure [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► but they had their setup for the second [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► movie to be a residential insulation [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► start the dark knight where it's like oh [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► now they hate me but I had to do it to [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► save the same exact traditionally went [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► again there's no indication as an [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► international its rounded them it's not [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► in the movie no I I had a bunch of [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► people who mentioned this to me on [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► Twitter and I and I have to have to keep [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► saying it's not as long as it's not [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► there you can you can you imagine that [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► your was really shy and moving platen [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► tour he was trying to save people [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► whatever the fact is the to action [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► fingers bang up against each other and i [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► gotta say it I movie with this scale of [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► destruction the Avengers just like this [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► to any time you have building [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► destruction on this level in an urban [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► setting [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► it's gonna be 911 in people's minds [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► people know how many people died in [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► scenarios like this and although the [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► Avengers did a lot of property damage [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► this one goes I mean they essentially [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► nuke blocks of Metropolis in this movie [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► and what's worse is in the Avengers [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► they're trying to stop it in Superman he [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► is everything it and they're causing [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► whole buildings to collapse around them [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► and and I kept waiting for the it [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► wow this is really dark is there going [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► to be a payoff and in the end no it's [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► sort of like Superman will get your [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► feelings if he sees odd burn this little [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► family and so then he breaks his neck [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► which is a whole other story about [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► Superman killing somebody which is not a [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► Superman kind of thing to do i yeah that [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► doesn't bother me I oh I popularly as [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► much I mean it doesn't bother me nearly [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► as much as the as the thousands tens of [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► thousands of people who died in this [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► fight because these two guys couldn't [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► take it elsewhere i take it out ride [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► don't know [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► no fighting here because they just [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► decided to beat on each other and it [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► didn't matter that the humans were all [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► dying [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► them which completely undercut Superman [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► scary and that family that family up [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► against the wall by the way is the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► second incident in recent memory in [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► which people in peril in a movie could [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► have been saved by casually walking in a [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► different direction [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► yeah other one being prometheus yes yeah [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► well this movie had a Prometheus moment [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► to work like that building is coming to [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► the Daily Planet building is coming down [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► Barry White go to the side and he does [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► finally go to the side but it was having [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► our exponent laser Ray's walk casually [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► to your left there was a little trouble [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► there it's like jump over the rubble you [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► could walk forward five steps then take [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► a left your fine said we could just [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► cowered together and hope the Superman [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► personalized here here's the thing i [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► gotta-i gotta talk about the death thing [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► for a minute maybe I'm jumping head but [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► i gotta bring this up because this [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► bothered me and not just from the [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► perspective of ok you know Superman he [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► doesn't kill people and that's kind of a [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► central tenet it bothers me for two [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► reasons one [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► well the main reason being it's unearned [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► there's nothing but all of the advice he [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► gets is don't tell anybody because like [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► the like try to hurt you write like his [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► dad keeps telling like maybe you should [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► reveal yourself and his dad told him [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► don't engage right he's already engaged [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► by this point he is literally through [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► and harder every single building he can [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► find a metropolis by that point he has [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► already overcome what should have been [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► the difficult decision which is do I [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► fight back right the the issue is not [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► his dad's not like don't kill people [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► because like you know we kind of get [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► that one it's ingrained is that is no [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► you don't need to you know you don't [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► need to get involved in a conflict right [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► you're better than that and that's the [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► Superman thing event you know like more [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► than anything is like you know you can [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► wipe the floor with you guys you know [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► don't you you are better than that and [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► so the killing felt it off handed and [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► dumb and like you know it to me [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► especially having and I mentioned this [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► in our superhero drafters that we [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► recorded some point you listen to me [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► listen to your future for our house that [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► I've been watching a lot of the justice [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► league cartoon and they deal with this [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► same issue in that and they deal with it [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► way better which is that Superman [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► eventually like in a in a parallel [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► universe [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► Superman kills Lex Luthor because he [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► gets to the point where is like I just [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► keep putting him away like it you know [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► in jail or whatever and it just keeps [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► getting out and beating the system and [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► sooner or later the riders made him do [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► it eventually [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► can I question the logic to which is up [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► until now these guys I i find it done [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► clear what really kills a Kryptonian [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► when they're on earth [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► I mean there's the gallon and who is [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► killed because she loses her mask and it [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► makes her all weird I thought that [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► didn't kill them or is it because she [TS]