The Incomparable

145: He Lives By a Stupid Code


00:00:04   comfortable number 145 jun 2013 [TS]

00:00:12   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:15   I'm your host Jason snail and this is [TS]

00:00:17   one of those very special editions of [TS]

00:00:19   the uncomfortable where rather than [TS]

00:00:20   listening to voices far away on skype [TS]

00:00:23   which is how we normally do these [TS]

00:00:24   episodes [TS]

00:00:26   instead i'm in a little room with very [TS]

00:00:29   little ventilation with three of our [TS]

00:00:32   fine fine panelists and we're going to [TS]

00:00:35   discuss television the end of the the [TS]

00:00:38   most recent TV season and most [TS]

00:00:40   specifically just as we did in person a [TS]

00:00:43   year ago [TS]

00:00:44   Game of Thrones which is one of my [TS]

00:00:46   favorites and this third season just [TS]

00:00:47   wrapped up and so we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:49   about that for a while and then we'll [TS]

00:00:51   talk about other TV shows at the end if [TS]

00:00:54   we have time for joining me in this tiny [TS]

00:00:56   room right across from me right now it's [TS]

00:00:59   john siracusa hi John [TS]

00:01:00   the reason our wrists are all tied [TS]

00:01:02   together and we have switchblades and [TS]

00:01:03   other hands that part of this [TS]

00:01:05   no that's just all so this isn't related [TS]

00:01:08   night for any of you i three East [TS]

00:01:09   Coasters here so that's that's [TS]

00:01:10   fascinating it'sit's 5 p.m. pacific as [TS]

00:01:13   we record this [TS]

00:01:14   they're tired anyway and more and it's [TS]

00:01:16   right across from hide an adjacent ICU [TS]

00:01:18   I didn't know how how do we know John [TS]

00:01:20   expects me how we have our hand side [TS]

00:01:21   together and switchblades haven't you [TS]

00:01:23   seen when the other hand like West Side [TS]

00:01:24   Story oh icic what you're saying I [TS]

00:01:26   thought you said like hands that wrist i [TS]

00:01:28   would like you met the fight I think [TS]

00:01:30   you're saying I see what you say I've [TS]

00:01:32   learned all the things you haven't seen [TS]

00:01:34   maybe you haven't seen with someone here [TS]

00:01:35   and when you're a jet you're a jet all [TS]

00:01:36   the way our erica sadun yeah that's [TS]

00:01:41   video estero y'all busy with when you're [TS]

00:01:43   on start your ass to your wolf all the [TS]

00:01:45   way it's basically the game of thrones [TS]

00:01:47   just on the game of streets [TS]

00:01:48   yes the the sure that's right that I [TS]

00:01:52   like it here in Westeros now that [TS]

00:01:55   doesn't Warner honest else you've just [TS]

00:01:57   given terrible ideas to somewhere listen [TS]

00:01:58   you heard serenity couple there who is [TS]

00:02:00   here as well hi hello good to have you [TS]

00:02:03   in this little tiny very hot room is [TS]

00:02:05   good to be here [TS]

00:02:06   well maybe not in the little tiny room [TS]

00:02:08   but it's good to be on the podcast yes [TS]

00:02:09   it's good it's good that we're all here [TS]

00:02:11   together so game of thrones season three [TS]

00:02:13   is all this room on the podcast I think [TS]

00:02:14   Theon's in it for most of us [TS]

00:02:16   yes huh that's right that's a yeah you [TS]

00:02:22   know so that was one of the I actually [TS]

00:02:24   think that was one of the things that [TS]

00:02:24   worked the least in [TS]

00:02:26   season three of Game of Thrones let's [TS]

00:02:27   blow the spoiler horn by the way if you [TS]

00:02:29   haven't seen season three of Game of [TS]

00:02:30   Thrones why are you here we're going to [TS]

00:02:31   split some things you should forward [TS]

00:02:33   until later later in the podcast where [TS]

00:02:35   we'll talk about other things look at [TS]

00:02:36   the show notes and find the time code [TS]

00:02:38   and jump over this okay [TS]

00:02:44   and speaking of spoilers i want to thank [TS]

00:02:45   all the people here on the uncomfortable [TS]

00:02:48   and who are not on the show who have [TS]

00:02:49   read the books who managed not to spoil [TS]

00:02:52   anything in the season for me which must [TS]

00:02:53   have been difficult it was painful ants [TS]

00:02:55   you did it well enough that I didn't see [TS]

00:02:57   any with things coming and I thank you [TS]

00:02:59   all for that's good so you didn't see [TS]

00:03:01   the red wedding coming men know like we [TS]

00:03:04   like to maintain narrative integrity [TS]

00:03:06   mm you know I was wondering actually [TS]

00:03:08   during this entire process how because [TS]

00:03:11   obviously you can go one of the nice [TS]

00:03:13   things about these books is it that they [TS]

00:03:17   read sort of like history books but [TS]

00:03:18   they're not based on real history so you [TS]

00:03:20   can't just go to Wikipedia and say I [TS]

00:03:21   wonder how this all turned out because [TS]

00:03:23   it's all made up kinda can [TS]

00:03:26   yeah it could be as everybody does yeah [TS]

00:03:28   well I mean for the books as you're [TS]

00:03:30   reading them the ropes once all the [TS]

00:03:31   books are out that mean nobody knows how [TS]

00:03:33   this how this ends right now because [TS]

00:03:35   those books have been written but for [TS]

00:03:37   the TV show it's a different story you [TS]

00:03:38   could read the books you could read the [TS]

00:03:39   wiki pages about the books and you can [TS]

00:03:41   find out everything and I think it's [TS]

00:03:42   actually pretty cool that despite all of [TS]

00:03:45   that and the fact that these secret [TS]

00:03:46   spoilers were out there for I guess he's [TS]

00:03:50   a storm of swords with our 10 years was [TS]

00:03:51   written 2000 publishing 2008 let on that [TS]

00:03:55   night when that episode aired and [TS]

00:03:58   everybody died at the red wedding the [TS]

00:04:00   internet exploded how nice is that if [TS]

00:04:02   something 13 years old people managed to [TS]

00:04:05   not spoil themselves about it nobody [TS]

00:04:07   reads books days [TS]

00:04:08   yeah but really it could spoil [TS]

00:04:10   themselves on wikipedia the spoiler out [TS]

00:04:11   there is what I'm saying and yeah it was [TS]

00:04:13   strangely silent i had a moment of [TS]

00:04:15   thinking that maybe something else had [TS]

00:04:16   happened because i didn't watch it right [TS]

00:04:18   away I had to leave its everybody's [TS]

00:04:19   freaking out i can't believe it killed [TS]

00:04:21   the phrase yes [TS]

00:04:22   whoa that's what's going on but then I [TS]

00:04:25   realized it was just you know a bunch of [TS]

00:04:26   people I like whoever said there's [TS]

00:04:28   someone on Twitter who commented like [TS]

00:04:29   now you know what all your nerd friends [TS]

00:04:31   were upset about 13 years ago [TS]

00:04:32   yeah i think those books are not as [TS]

00:04:34   popular is like not as broadly popular [TS]

00:04:37   things right but like the 13 years ago [TS]

00:04:40   like Lord of the Rings like every nerd [TS]

00:04:41   universe read Lord of the Rings but not [TS]

00:04:43   everywhere in our like like wheel of [TS]

00:04:44   time like I know some people who were [TS]

00:04:45   able to i'm gonna plenty people who [TS]

00:04:47   didn't you know below the Rings was it [TS]

00:04:48   was weird to stage thing to write [TS]

00:04:50   because it came out and what the fifties [TS]

00:04:51   sixties but it really achieved [TS]

00:04:53   popularity soared like a layer 60 [TS]

00:04:54   seventies when it had like the cultural [TS]

00:04:56   exactly so I [TS]

00:04:57   Hobbit I think it's a similar sort of [TS]

00:04:59   thing with Game of Thrones where you had [TS]

00:05:00   a lot of people who read fantasy books [TS]

00:05:02   and even i know some people with more [TS]

00:05:04   regular fancy book readers but red Game [TS]

00:05:06   of Thrones back in the late 90s early [TS]

00:05:08   two thousands but now it's really hit [TS]

00:05:10   mainstream because of the HBO series you [TS]

00:05:12   see a lot of people going back and [TS]

00:05:13   reading it or going back and reading it [TS]

00:05:16   for the first time so it has that sort [TS]

00:05:18   of two waves of audience in the same way [TS]

00:05:22   that I think that Lord of ring did it [TS]

00:05:23   and i think it doesn't have like the [TS]

00:05:24   broader to pee like there are certain [TS]

00:05:26   things we just assume assume all nursing [TS]

00:05:27   star wars right everyone knows about [TS]

00:05:29   stars to assume that but in fantasy [TS]

00:05:31   novels is very few of them that get all [TS]

00:05:33   the North some friends some people are [TS]

00:05:35   into we like they read the piers anthony [TS]

00:05:36   Americans but not all of them some of [TS]

00:05:37   them are the Dragons books but not all [TS]

00:05:39   of them talking is the only one we can [TS]

00:05:40   assume everybody read and so now this [TS]

00:05:42   one more of a time investment invited to [TS]

00:05:44   my 5000 you're like right like wheel of [TS]

00:05:47   time you know like sometimes very large [TS]

00:05:49   left but not all so they made a wheel of [TS]

00:05:50   time TV series maybe already happened [TS]

00:05:52   they did a lot of people would be [TS]

00:05:53   surprised even among nerds because not [TS]

00:05:54   everyone ready around all those people [TS]

00:05:56   be surprised to be like this really [TS]

00:05:58   crappy and long long long and he's [TS]

00:06:01   carrying William I'm sure has a [TS]

00:06:03   satisfying ending so not written by a [TS]

00:06:06   also different in this season is that [TS]

00:06:07   they didn't attempt to it adapt all of [TS]

00:06:09   this massive I think I don't want while [TS]

00:06:13   widely considered to be the best of the [TS]

00:06:15   series that storm of swords I think it's [TS]

00:06:17   the best 12 and but it's very long and [TS]

00:06:19   they didn't even try they they took some [TS]

00:06:21   stuff it's not all in the same it's not [TS]

00:06:25   like they cut the book in half either [TS]

00:06:27   because there's some stuff that's been [TS]

00:06:28   moved around the time sequence from the [TS]

00:06:29   books not going to spoil the books or [TS]

00:06:30   anything for you generated but they need [TS]

00:06:32   some really nice editorial decisions in [TS]

00:06:35   the having this massive of work by [TS]

00:06:37   george RR martin and plot that they have [TS]

00:06:39   laid before them they don't they got to [TS]

00:06:40   like move it around and take it and and [TS]

00:06:42   and shifted in ways that were really [TS]

00:06:44   smart that that allowed them to compress [TS]

00:06:46   the story in some ways that I think they [TS]

00:06:48   that were clever because even now the [TS]

00:06:50   season is not a one-to-one there will be [TS]

00:06:52   some stuff in next season that will be [TS]

00:06:54   from the third book and then presumably [TS]

00:06:56   some stuff from the fourth and fifth [TS]

00:06:58   books too so they're they're they're [TS]

00:06:59   diverging unlike the first two seasons [TS]

00:07:01   we're pretty straight copies of the [TS]

00:07:03   first two books that they're diverging a [TS]

00:07:05   lot more now [TS]

00:07:06   yeah I mean well the theme thing in [TS]

00:07:07   particular I mean again I don't think [TS]

00:07:08   it's too much boilers say that that's [TS]

00:07:10   not install sore [TS]

00:07:11   well that's in a that's elsewhere beyond [TS]

00:07:13   comes back later and there's a flashback [TS]

00:07:15   oh I was tortured right and that's all [TS]

00:07:17   new black Annie lives [TS]

00:07:20   well does he that's better for a while [TS]

00:07:23   we all live for a while just that's [TS]

00:07:25   right well did you know that he was [TS]

00:07:27   living at the end of this [TS]

00:07:28   yeah yeah yeah yeah I know but like [TS]

00:07:30   presumably his story will be told him [TS]

00:07:32   about my point is that it isn't told [TS]

00:07:33   while he's being tortured [TS]

00:07:35   it's more later it's more of a spoiler [TS]

00:07:37   for reading the books because he at some [TS]

00:07:38   point disappears off the stage and you [TS]

00:07:40   don't hear about him provide two books [TS]

00:07:42   yeah yeah that's right and then finally [TS]

00:07:44   he reappears were here we see that ok [TS]

00:07:46   this is what was happening to him [TS]

00:07:47   although i don't know there were too [TS]

00:07:48   many of those that went on too long they [TS]

00:07:51   can I kept going back to them and it was [TS]

00:07:52   like I don't enjoy watching to watch her [TS]

00:07:54   is this plotline going to advance or [TS]

00:07:56   like is there going to be some sort of [TS]

00:07:57   development it really interesting that [TS]

00:08:00   they kind of held off until the season [TS]

00:08:01   finale of this season to say oh this is [TS]

00:08:05   who this person is that's been torturing [TS]

00:08:07   him and we finally get the connecting [TS]

00:08:09   point isn't really a spoiler for future [TS]

00:08:12   seasons but we get the connecting point [TS]

00:08:14   of where we meet beyond again in the [TS]

00:08:16   books which is as a character named reek [TS]

00:08:19   so it's it's weird that we're going to [TS]

00:08:22   try and cram this all into the ending I [TS]

00:08:24   think they were trying to go for an [TS]

00:08:26   emotional impact where you just feel [TS]

00:08:28   Theon's been broken down but i think it [TS]

00:08:30   probably just went on to it they're also [TS]

00:08:31   going for the double the double hit of [TS]

00:08:33   the Bolton's right where one of them has [TS]

00:08:36   betrayed the Starks great family and [TS]

00:08:39   then meanwhile his bastard son is the [TS]

00:08:41   one who's been torturing Theon and by [TS]

00:08:43   the way in that last episode resolving [TS]

00:08:45   them great mystery that everybody was [TS]

00:08:47   asking about the last episode last year [TS]

00:08:48   which is like who who set fire to [TS]

00:08:50   Winterfell what happened there and it [TS]

00:08:52   turns out this is all the Bolton's doing [TS]

00:08:54   and now they're in charge of Winterfell [TS]

00:08:57   I i gotta say this about about Ramsey [TS]

00:08:59   though because I mean he's a very [TS]

00:09:01   notable character in the books because [TS]

00:09:03   he is basically a psychopath putting it [TS]

00:09:06   lightly [TS]

00:09:07   it doesn't mean the same time else's you [TS]

00:09:08   look like a demented Hobbit I would eat [TS]

00:09:10   you for my second breakfast [TS]

00:09:12   yeah yeah curly hair I don't need for [TS]

00:09:15   God I don't I don't need to see that [TS]

00:09:17   much torture that's too that's i get an [TS]

00:09:19   idea right about the ID ask questions [TS]

00:09:21   like this that's tradition needs [TS]

00:09:23   it was like the sex position in previous [TS]

00:09:25   seasons worth like yeah okay you're on [TS]

00:09:27   HBO [TS]

00:09:28   I get it but do you have which they [TS]

00:09:31   didn't do this season so much i think it [TS]

00:09:32   was like one scene that I would consider [TS]

00:09:34   the words like well we're on HBO we [TS]

00:09:35   could have like a and it's watermelon [TS]

00:09:37   sander is a seducing entry [TS]

00:09:41   yeah right and it's like why did that [TS]

00:09:43   was that even necessary but she was just [TS]

00:09:45   kind of mousey gonna get a leash on him [TS]

00:09:48   really this is the only way to have the [TS]

00:09:51   entire Kingsguard your disposal you know [TS]

00:09:52   the introduction is the only way [TS]

00:09:55   well the torture was like that for me to [TS]

00:09:56   it's like having two it is but it's one [TS]

00:09:58   of my only complaints about this whole [TS]

00:09:59   season because i really i thought that [TS]

00:10:00   this was the best of the three seasons [TS]

00:10:03   and that they really kinda because it [TS]

00:10:06   because every episode felt more together [TS]

00:10:07   to me like they were they managed to [TS]

00:10:10   take these these plot threads and by [TS]

00:10:11   moving them around create individual [TS]

00:10:13   episodes that were thematically related [TS]

00:10:15   in a way that before I felt like they [TS]

00:10:17   were just kind of spooning out the [TS]

00:10:18   various plots and in the end of this [TS]

00:10:20   year we had an episode that was very [TS]

00:10:22   much about parents and children there [TS]

00:10:23   was an episode with all these kind of [TS]

00:10:25   like animal references and people as [TS]

00:10:27   animals there was the there was the [TS]

00:10:29   episode about sacrifice there was an you [TS]

00:10:32   know they they found little dramatic [TS]

00:10:35   ways of tying these episodes together [TS]

00:10:37   the the one where that it ends with [TS]

00:10:39   Littlefinger doing his whole thing about [TS]

00:10:41   the the climb that was just supposed [TS]

00:10:43   with it [TS]

00:10:44   climbing up the wall with Jon Snow and [TS]

00:10:47   his girlfriend whose name escapes 80 [TS]

00:10:50   grit [TS]

00:10:51   um she's a bird she suffered with ye [TS]

00:10:54   great with a why that I just like that [TS]

00:10:57   because it that was that struck me as [TS]

00:10:59   being a really impressive piece of of of [TS]

00:11:02   writing and of a plot kind of [TS]

00:11:05   imaginations to get those episodes to [TS]

00:11:07   feel like they weren't just part of a [TS]

00:11:09   stream a plot but actually had some [TS]

00:11:12   things that made them episodes that that [TS]

00:11:15   that tied them together in that one hour [TS]

00:11:17   like a more broadly there's that there's [TS]

00:11:20   a kind of trying to go back to the same [TS]

00:11:22   well twice this season last season and [TS]

00:11:24   it's like an overall structural problem [TS]

00:11:25   the TV show so far is that last season [TS]

00:11:27   ended with like it look White Walkers [TS]

00:11:29   are they scary here they come right and [TS]

00:11:31   like oh goodness the next season those [TS]

00:11:33   White Walkers and and this season [TS]

00:11:35   oh goodness why walk around here [TS]

00:11:37   icon around there like they were coming [TS]

00:11:39   last day water slowly and they're coming [TS]

00:11:42   into seekers how many seasons can you [TS]

00:11:44   get anything what was the end of the [TS]

00:11:45   season [TS]

00:11:46   I guess what guys they're coming to come [TS]

00:11:47   in the way I know they're coming then [TS]

00:11:49   where are they they're not here like [TS]

00:11:50   it's just a hit you gotta understand [TS]

00:11:52   these guys that come in the bed that [TS]

00:11:54   come in the bed maybe if they you know [TS]

00:11:56   he likes it's not it's not winter yet [TS]

00:11:58   right i think that i think that's the [TS]

00:12:00   this is a problem in the books too is [TS]

00:12:01   that it's a great opening for opening [TS]

00:12:03   scene of the TV series and the opening [TS]

00:12:04   scene of the first book is this gonna be [TS]

00:12:07   attacking well what's that and then [TS]

00:12:08   there's nothing more about it forever no [TS]

00:12:10   i think that works and i thought they [TS]

00:12:11   were building up to it and it's like [TS]

00:12:13   what you can't just keep go back into an [TS]

00:12:14   outlet they keep going back to those [TS]

00:12:16   guys coming in the second think this is [TS]

00:12:17   something i do like about it and again I [TS]

00:12:19   don't know how this actually goes in the [TS]

00:12:21   books but if you get if you were to do a [TS]

00:12:25   story like that you've seen the story of [TS]

00:12:27   like it was a young boy or whatever and [TS]

00:12:29   he's he's nobody but he used to be [TS]

00:12:31   somebody and his entire family was [TS]

00:12:32   killed and he's going to come of age and [TS]

00:12:34   seek revenge and gain power or whatever [TS]

00:12:36   right [TS]

00:12:37   I like a man who do you think that what [TS]

00:12:40   what yeah what a game of thrones is like [TS]

00:12:42   is is like don't start the board with [TS]

00:12:44   the story with the young person whose [TS]

00:12:46   family was tragically killed and he has [TS]

00:12:48   to come from nothing whatever start with [TS]

00:12:50   the family show them all being killed [TS]

00:12:53   and then the only person left is like [TS]

00:12:55   you know what's her name aria out there [TS]

00:12:57   and now she is like the young person [TS]

00:12:59   whose family but we don't start there we [TS]

00:13:01   got to see the other family and got to [TS]

00:13:03   see them all betrayed because you know [TS]

00:13:04   and realize you don't just come in at [TS]

00:13:06   the beginning of the hero's journey that [TS]

00:13:08   you come in here and here was born and [TS]

00:13:10   right next to the other multiples [TS]

00:13:12   because you also have brand and Sansa [TS]

00:13:14   and John slot right to live like because [TS]

00:13:17   the engineers whose family you should [TS]

00:13:19   run westwood yeah we didn't get to see [TS]

00:13:20   that but that's the typical in areas [TS]

00:13:22   like oh I came from but it's like they [TS]

00:13:23   decided to start history point and [TS]

00:13:25   that's why everyone was flipping out [TS]

00:13:26   because in regular TV shows when you [TS]

00:13:28   have you know better start at the [TS]

00:13:29   beginning of the he lived but now he [TS]

00:13:31   dies all right well then the rest of the [TS]

00:13:32   darkest me about Rob now they're going [TS]

00:13:33   to do and so yeah who is less the [TS]

00:13:35   sopranos it's about the sopranos and [TS]

00:13:37   then by the third season all the trends [TS]

00:13:39   attorney to get everything right exactly [TS]

00:13:41   what but i think that works to help you [TS]

00:13:43   to help you feel her loss [TS]

00:13:45   yeah just instead of just starting with [TS]

00:13:46   her and they sharing some backstory her [TS]

00:13:48   saying well they killed my parents and a [TS]

00:13:50   real man [TS]

00:13:50   about it we're mad about it because we [TS]

00:13:52   got to see it and we got to know the [TS]

00:13:53   parents i think that is a good way to [TS]

00:13:54   have a long-running television show even [TS]

00:13:57   if people aren't used to it because it [TS]

00:13:58   accurately reflects how pissed she is [TS]

00:14:00   basically about what's happened to her [TS]

00:14:01   family totally hate Joffrey more because [TS]

00:14:04   of what happened at stark right i mean [TS]

00:14:05   that that that is a villain who has [TS]

00:14:07   earned it more by seeing him be [TS]

00:14:09   villainous and just continuing to live [TS]

00:14:12   just season after season [TS]

00:14:13   well there's a I think it makes its a [TS]

00:14:16   reason to explain to me why even the [TS]

00:14:17   books i'm more sympathetic to most of [TS]

00:14:19   the Starks that I am to say dinero so I [TS]

00:14:21   still think is portrayed as a positive [TS]

00:14:23   you know protagonist is also a [TS]

00:14:25   power-hungry like why can't you just [TS]

00:14:27   have a nice life out there on the plains [TS]

00:14:28   wasn't wasn't because she's born to be [TS]

00:14:30   alright but I just fireproof I mean you [TS]

00:14:32   also here together do something we've [TS]

00:14:34   got a great when you can you hear about [TS]

00:14:37   all the stories about all her family but [TS]

00:14:39   the problem is you get it through very [TS]

00:14:40   conflicted lenses because you hear about [TS]

00:14:41   how insane the old king was that these [TS]

00:14:43   things are like maybe was just a bad [TS]

00:14:45   thing to be killed also my wife is is [TS]

00:14:47   reading the first book now after having [TS]

00:14:49   seen the these three seasons and she and [TS]

00:14:52   i were talking about how in some ways [TS]

00:14:55   even though we all think this is the [TS]

00:14:56   story of the stark so it's so and you're [TS]

00:14:58   right John that then they all died you [TS]

00:15:00   realize we're seeing the story of some [TS]

00:15:01   of these people are picking up the [TS]

00:15:02   pieces after the Starks homes burned [TS]

00:15:04   down and most of them are killed but I [TS]

00:15:06   said in some ways what we're really [TS]

00:15:07   seeing the story we're really seeing is [TS]

00:15:10   the story of what happens after that [TS]

00:15:13   brief period of calm following the [TS]

00:15:16   destruction of the Targaryen that that [TS]

00:15:19   that in many ways the story starts with [TS]

00:15:21   the Mad King being killed by Jaime [TS]

00:15:22   Lannister and that Robert Baratheon was [TS]

00:15:25   able to like keep it together for a [TS]

00:15:26   little while but he was a he was a [TS]

00:15:28   singular figure and beneath it [TS]

00:15:30   everybody else was lining up for what [TS]

00:15:32   was gonna happen when he died and so [TS]

00:15:34   it's funny that you know we're not [TS]

00:15:36   seeing the story of the Starks but we're [TS]

00:15:38   also you know in some ways this is all [TS]

00:15:40   this is all based on a story that we [TS]

00:15:41   didn't get to see which and and not even [TS]

00:15:44   in flashback right which is just they [TS]

00:15:45   keep talking about Robert's rebellion we [TS]

00:15:47   don't get to see it but that's where [TS]

00:15:49   everything went to hell because the [TS]

00:15:50   Targaryen is ruled for whatever like a [TS]

00:15:52   thousand years or hundreds of years or [TS]

00:15:54   Die don't even know that's why are times [TS]

00:15:56   when it looks like a token type things [TS]

00:15:58   like I'm not writing fiction story this [TS]

00:15:59   is found history because it stands out [TS]

00:16:01   in both directions right and [TS]

00:16:03   it just keeps going on back to the past [TS]

00:16:04   and we have to start the story somewhere [TS]

00:16:05   but don't like we're just because [TS]

00:16:07   someone is the robber would be boring [TS]

00:16:09   right it's just like he was bad he went [TS]

00:16:11   hunting everybody was okay the Targaryen [TS]

00:16:13   weren't around anymore they were crazy [TS]

00:16:14   anyway but we do have that in the [TS]

00:16:16   background so that we understand to [TS]

00:16:17   narrow this whole little little game [TS]

00:16:19   which I actually kind of like this [TS]

00:16:20   season this season you get more of a [TS]

00:16:22   sense of like before she was the [TS]

00:16:24   underdog and we're kind of rooting for [TS]

00:16:25   like you know she's last four kind and [TS]

00:16:27   they they deposed and sure maybe that [TS]

00:16:29   relative was crazy but she's plucky and [TS]

00:16:31   she's gonna come back and in this season [TS]

00:16:33   especially leading up to this last [TS]

00:16:35   episode I kept looking at her actions [TS]

00:16:37   and thinking oh she's a Targaryen she's [TS]

00:16:40   let's wait a second but they were they [TS]

00:16:42   were kind kind of dangerous when we [TS]

00:16:44   didn't do such a wonderful thing I mean [TS]

00:16:45   like that you've got spunk butts this [TS]

00:16:47   Punk is one thing and then after you've [TS]

00:16:49   liked destroyed two cities and it's not [TS]

00:16:51   spunk anymore now you just now your [TS]

00:16:53   problems just want to be a have to be a [TS]

00:16:55   conqueror to be queen right yeah well [TS]

00:16:58   she's proving that she's you know she's [TS]

00:16:59   she's not just uh oh I wish it was [TS]

00:17:02   I wish I could go back home and then [TS]

00:17:04   become the queen she's like me i'm going [TS]

00:17:05   to take some stuff over over here [TS]

00:17:07   she's had a really tough life I mean you [TS]

00:17:08   think about the fact that she was [TS]

00:17:10   basically left 4 door like everybody [TS]

00:17:13   thought she was dead she was shuffled [TS]

00:17:14   off of her home she watched her parents [TS]

00:17:17   died she had to grow up with her crazy [TS]

00:17:19   decreasing technically she didn't watch [TS]

00:17:21   her parents died I think she was she was [TS]

00:17:23   a baby and was spirited away she's I [TS]

00:17:26   think she's she supposed to be a toddler [TS]

00:17:28   I feel like she's gonna she's a couple [TS]

00:17:30   of years old and she's a baby I think [TS]

00:17:31   she was a maybe in her brother who who [TS]

00:17:34   got his head melted by the way you left [TS]

00:17:35   out of among her list of traumas her [TS]

00:17:37   brother got his head melted [TS]

00:17:38   well I'm kind of a good thing and there [TS]

00:17:41   is another killer brother yeah there was [TS]

00:17:42   another there's another brother too i [TS]

00:17:44   think in there too with the brother who [TS]

00:17:45   has rescued bringing back [TS]

00:17:47   yes to marry or yeah there's there's [TS]

00:17:51   more there yes times on a street all the [TS]

00:17:53   ternary I wash the show though having [TS]

00:17:56   read the books the more i think that the [TS]

00:17:58   show is angling Denarius as the [TS]

00:18:00   protagonist for Game of Thrones maybe [TS]

00:18:03   not so much for something like excited [TS]

00:18:05   but who I just never bought into I i [TS]

00:18:08   want this point I feel like aria is our [TS]

00:18:11   it [TS]

00:18:11   bizarre is our hero maybe she does the [TS]

00:18:13   most campus episode 1 of whatever [TS]

00:18:15   because she shouldn't choose she's like [TS]

00:18:18   survived against all odds but in typical [TS]

00:18:20   TV show like your hero like should have [TS]

00:18:22   died long ago and survives and everyone [TS]

00:18:24   else is around his dying she should have [TS]

00:18:25   been dead a hundred times over and just [TS]

00:18:27   like through sheer luck in her own you [TS]

00:18:29   know wherewithal not saying it's [TS]

00:18:30   unrealistic understand like she fits the [TS]

00:18:32   mold of the character who boy look at [TS]

00:18:34   her she's still managed to stay alive [TS]

00:18:35   against all odds and alignment behind [TS]

00:18:38   this series is that you know that the [TS]

00:18:40   molds don't always apply like that's you [TS]

00:18:43   know in the same way that my friend [TS]

00:18:46   Brian who is my one of my roommates in [TS]

00:18:47   college was the first one to recommend [TS]

00:18:49   game of thrones to me and when I asked [TS]

00:18:50   him about it was like oh this is a fancy [TS]

00:18:51   book but the difference between it and [TS]

00:18:53   all the other fancy books read is people [TS]

00:18:55   get into impossible situations and then [TS]

00:18:57   they don't get out of them and to me you [TS]

00:19:00   know that that is what is the main [TS]

00:19:02   attraction of Game of Thrones especially [TS]

00:19:04   put up against something like Tolkien [TS]

00:19:05   which is very much typical heroic mould [TS]

00:19:08   is that stuff doesn't quite fit into the [TS]

00:19:11   same pattern sure there's always [TS]

00:19:12   templates and stuff you can apply and [TS]

00:19:13   there's there's partial matches here and [TS]

00:19:15   there but overall the story itself [TS]

00:19:16   doesn't necessarily take all the boxes [TS]

00:19:19   things that you think would happen based [TS]

00:19:21   on this character did this in this in [TS]

00:19:22   this net position them to do this [TS]

00:19:24   oh wait they're just been murdered you [TS]

00:19:26   don't like that it doesn't know exactly [TS]

00:19:27   I don't want it [TS]

00:19:28   it's mario it's like the wire in that [TS]

00:19:29   and it's more realistic wear that like [TS]

00:19:31   all these sort of smart people who do [TS]

00:19:34   the right thing repeatedly and our [TS]

00:19:35   heroic and daring and calculating and [TS]

00:19:38   set themselves up for victory and a good [TS]

00:19:40   life and then just make a misstep right [TS]

00:19:43   and and and that's it like with Robb [TS]

00:19:45   Stark [TS]

00:19:46   he he did a good job more or less won [TS]

00:19:48   every battle yell at me but he won every [TS]

00:19:50   battle like an achy he had his doubts [TS]

00:19:52   and he had his problems and he made some [TS]

00:19:53   mistakes and everything and when he went [TS]

00:19:55   off to get married I'm like this is not [TS]

00:19:56   gonna go well but I didn't think [TS]

00:19:57   everybody would die you know you figure [TS]

00:19:59   especially they did the great misdirect [TS]

00:20:01   on the television show where they you [TS]

00:20:03   know I when I started to know what's [TS]

00:20:06   gonna happen i knew that it was not [TS]

00:20:07   gonna go off the way they thought it [TS]

00:20:08   because Walter frame the show is just [TS]

00:20:10   like a little cereal but but what they [TS]

00:20:13   did was like oh and they do the stuff [TS]

00:20:15   the telegraphing to the viewers hear [TS]

00:20:16   something Bad's gonna happen and they [TS]

00:20:17   shoot them like in the shoulders with [TS]

00:20:19   arrows and I go see everything's going [TS]

00:20:21   bad but the shot in the show that's what [TS]

00:20:22   they always do it like you wanted a [TS]

00:20:23   non-fatal you want some [TS]

00:20:24   want to live like egret shooting guns [TS]

00:20:26   snow at like nine times the arrow but [TS]

00:20:27   none of them merged center mass so you [TS]

00:20:29   figure well I mean he's alive at the end [TS]

00:20:30   of the size and whatever purpose right [TS]

00:20:33   perhaps maybe well she loves him too [TS]

00:20:35   much yeah and sorry i love you so much [TS]

00:20:37   i'll shoot you would be fatally she [TS]

00:20:39   loves it a lot but not if she doesn't [TS]

00:20:40   want to feel some pain yes right but [TS]

00:20:43   anyway but they they got shot both of [TS]

00:20:44   them Rob and his mother got shot like in [TS]

00:20:46   the shoulders and the leg or whatever [TS]

00:20:48   you and your like and that was what [TS]

00:20:50   you'd expect from a TV show because i [TS]

00:20:51   thought was gonna go out and didn't go [TS]

00:20:52   out like all they all lived and then [TS]

00:20:54   like they cut away for something else [TS]

00:20:55   and they cut back and like help but now [TS]

00:20:57   they're finishing the job and kill you [TS]

00:20:58   and like as soon as it as soon as [TS]

00:21:00   someone took the Walter phrase a wife [TS]

00:21:02   and held hostage was like I can do [TS]

00:21:04   anything [TS]

00:21:05   are you done yeah i mean after all the [TS]

00:21:07   viewers know that is usually just the [TS]

00:21:08   most beautiful one to me was still the [TS]

00:21:10   Rob's wife like that scene is just that [TS]

00:21:13   was yes [TS]

00:21:13   oh my god like that and that are [TS]

00:21:16   expected to die because we will [TS]

00:21:17   introduce the seasons the innocent she [TS]

00:21:18   had a fairytale story she would die to [TS]

00:21:21   punish Rob and he would always regret [TS]

00:21:22   her death and here we got her death like [TS]

00:21:23   five minutes he didn't have a lot of [TS]

00:21:26   time you learned a valuable lesson and [TS]

00:21:28   I'd yeah it's a that's it that's [TS]

00:21:31   actually a book change where they've got [TS]

00:21:33   so much more sympathetic character in [TS]

00:21:34   the novel he marries sort of a she's no [TS]

00:21:37   shot and cycling essentially and and and [TS]

00:21:41   it's and they make her pregnant and [TS]

00:21:43   she's she's likeable and smart and it [TS]

00:21:46   hurts [TS]

00:21:46   we also never heard never get in the [TS]

00:21:49   book [TS]

00:21:49   despite Rob being such a central [TS]

00:21:51   character he's never a few points right [TS]

00:21:53   so he never gets boring series and he [TS]

00:21:55   feels much more present in the TV show [TS]

00:21:57   absolutely and he's very dashing and [TS]

00:21:58   he's he's felt he's struggling with [TS]

00:22:00   Joffrey isn't right he's the young guy [TS]

00:22:02   who really could be the king who he's [TS]

00:22:05   made some bad decisions but he is he's [TS]

00:22:06   kind of like his father right he's he's [TS]

00:22:09   we like him and his hearts in the right [TS]

00:22:11   place for you nobody has some stuff and [TS]

00:22:14   gets himself killed many and he has [TS]

00:22:16   reached he had his doubts in the [TS]

00:22:18   beginning like I am I going to be king [TS]

00:22:19   of the north and kind of had to be have [TS]

00:22:20   it thrust upon him but the ones who took [TS]

00:22:22   the mantle of it is like all right let's [TS]

00:22:23   run with this and we can get it done and [TS]

00:22:25   he seems competent and everything and [TS]

00:22:27   you know and and I thought he seemed [TS]

00:22:29   hard-nosed enough to get the job done [TS]

00:22:30   adjusted at I mean I blame his mother [TS]

00:22:33   because on the show she's the one he [TS]

00:22:35   went to her for advice and she's the one [TS]

00:22:37   you know what we should go [TS]

00:22:38   let's go just go let's go to that let's [TS]

00:22:40   go get married like I married we should [TS]

00:22:42   do it and that was something that was [TS]

00:22:44   the wrong call that bed call when the [TS]

00:22:46   other person that's surprisingly [TS]

00:22:48   sympathetic I found in this season is a [TS]

00:22:50   time Lannister [TS]

00:22:52   mmm yeah he suddenly become like my [TS]

00:22:54   favorite guys here's my great is like [TS]

00:22:56   Charles looks I need to rule the world [TS]

00:22:58   will you people stop getting in my way [TS]

00:23:00   if you would just put a vicious put him [TS]

00:23:02   in charge and everything will be better [TS]

00:23:03   in kind of the it for the peasants [TS]

00:23:05   because he would like slaughter all the [TS]

00:23:07   other families and get everyone in line [TS]

00:23:08   and the peasants would be like finally [TS]

00:23:10   peace time again and and yet he yes the [TS]

00:23:12   control like from the shadows or [TS]

00:23:13   whatever and I feel his frustration is [TS]

00:23:15   like I'm surrounded by idiots and my [TS]

00:23:17   little dwarf Sun is always whining to me [TS]

00:23:18   and Joffrey is just terrible and I have [TS]

00:23:21   to like send him to bed and you know god [TS]

00:23:24   he someone's making a throne room and [TS]

00:23:26   have to walk all the way down there and [TS]

00:23:27   go [TS]

00:23:28   he's um it's funny because you know [TS]

00:23:31   first off we're not supposed to like the [TS]

00:23:32   Lannisters but it's such a great [TS]

00:23:34   character and you get the sense that [TS]

00:23:36   he's you know he's a professional [TS]

00:23:38   he knows what he's doing we may not like [TS]

00:23:40   what he's doing a professional terrible [TS]

00:23:41   person but he knows what he's doing he [TS]

00:23:44   really does and in fact you could argue [TS]

00:23:46   that what he's doing may lead to a lot [TS]

00:23:48   less pain and chaos in in the net as [TS]

00:23:52   what a lot of other people are doing [TS]

00:23:53   even though in the sensitivity it's also [TS]

00:23:56   we don't like him in the words of you [TS]

00:23:57   know the words of the wire he's also you [TS]

00:23:59   know a man with a code in that you know [TS]

00:24:01   i'm not particularly like that scene in [TS]

00:24:02   the last episode which were they talk [TS]

00:24:04   about your family is so important and so [TS]

00:24:06   clearly he believes that he has a very [TS]

00:24:08   twisted view what the code the code is [TS]

00:24:10   nonsensical but everyone is consistent [TS]

00:24:12   yeah like and so that to me and [TS]

00:24:14   especially doesn't care about his family [TS]

00:24:16   enough to actually loved his he can [TS]

00:24:19   write he loves the feel of the know and [TS]

00:24:21   I don't have to kill him [TS]

00:24:22   yeah yeah but I'm ages love the wind i [TS]

00:24:25   minus all season my favorite seen all [TS]

00:24:27   season i think has to do with him [TS]

00:24:28   interacting with diana rigg yeah [TS]

00:24:30   please baby lady Tyrell oh yeah the two [TS]

00:24:33   of them were just saying i have expected [TS]

00:24:35   one of the black leadership across table [TS]

00:24:36   kiss exactly shove everything off the [TS]

00:24:38   table in serving yeah we were made for [TS]

00:24:40   each other and the off-screen yeah I [TS]

00:24:44   keep waiting for Tywin's back story [TS]

00:24:46   because especially when he was talking [TS]

00:24:46   about his son of it because something [TS]

00:24:48   made Tywin Lannister and you think it [TS]

00:24:50   would have to be some formative [TS]

00:24:51   experience as a child where he adopted [TS]

00:24:54   the code of family first and family [TS]

00:24:56   above all or whatever i don't know if [TS]

00:24:57   we'll ever get his backstory but he is [TS]

00:24:59   he's interesting to me in a way that in [TS]

00:25:01   this in this you're Tyrion like you [TS]

00:25:03   think but I guess kids don't get over [TS]

00:25:04   get over is like he's always looking for [TS]

00:25:05   his father's love and a certain point [TS]

00:25:06   earrings got away look it's not gonna [TS]

00:25:08   happen dude and you're like the worst [TS]

00:25:10   thing about their relationship as they [TS]

00:25:11   are the most alike i know he is his [TS]

00:25:13   father's friend it's okay for right and [TS]

00:25:15   to see them bounce off each other and [TS]

00:25:16   that's that's time was failing is like I [TS]

00:25:18   think he should be smart enough to see [TS]

00:25:19   look you had all these children and that [TS]

00:25:21   one is the only you can't get over his [TS]

00:25:23   hatred of Tyrion enough to realize that [TS]

00:25:26   he is the best kid he is and he has the [TS]

00:25:28   most value of all his people and he is [TS]

00:25:30   so much like him like he's basically his [TS]

00:25:32   father but with a self-esteem problem [TS]

00:25:33   well it's just horrifying to tie when [TS]

00:25:35   you really think about it is that he [TS]

00:25:36   doesn't want to be known as his legacy [TS]

00:25:38   is his dwarf Sun who killed his wife and [TS]

00:25:41   taiwan i mean we don't get a lot of [TS]

00:25:43   straightforward backstory on time when [TS]

00:25:45   but you get hints [TS]

00:25:46   I mean you get the fact that he [TS]

00:25:48   basically had to deal with the [TS]

00:25:51   Revolution and the uprising against the [TS]

00:25:54   King his only son joined the Kingsguard [TS]

00:25:58   and basically you know secondly cut [TS]

00:26:01   yourself cut yourself off from any kind [TS]

00:26:03   of ordinary life and when he said he sat [TS]

00:26:07   out the civil war and that actually came [TS]

00:26:08   up in the last episode that was a [TS]

00:26:10   fascinating little tidbit right now is [TS]

00:26:12   that he sat out the civil war that was [TS]

00:26:14   the smart move but you still feels well [TS]

00:26:16   until like me who want to win [TS]

00:26:18   yeah and then his son killed the king [TS]

00:26:19   and in retrospect and I think if Tyrion [TS]

00:26:23   in some ways doesn't get as much to do [TS]

00:26:25   this season by comparison he was helps a [TS]

00:26:27   lot but he doesn't this is strange [TS]

00:26:28   because that you know is the character [TS]

00:26:30   was such a breakout character for the [TS]

00:26:31   for the both for the books and I was [TS]

00:26:33   concerned actually about the season [TS]

00:26:34   because in the books he doesn't have a [TS]

00:26:35   lot to do he's kind of just moping [TS]

00:26:37   because he's gotten he did this great [TS]

00:26:39   thing and nobody cares people tried to [TS]

00:26:41   kill me feels under marry this person is [TS]

00:26:45   God although i did i did like especially [TS]

00:26:47   in that we get one brief look into his [TS]

00:26:49   marriage before it basically all go [TS]

00:26:50   south in the in the last episode there [TS]

00:26:53   where he and sands are walking in the [TS]

00:26:54   garden keep shifting yeah one talk about [TS]

00:26:56   that and talking about the you know what [TS]

00:26:58   are we gonna do to these people and [TS]

00:27:00   there's a there's a moment there where [TS]

00:27:01   you feel like oh maybe they can make [TS]

00:27:03   babies [TS]

00:27:04   kids making you already said that [TS]

00:27:06   Hardware yes then pregnant her brother [TS]

00:27:07   than that everything just seems like [TS]

00:27:09   it's going on his family killed all of [TS]

00:27:11   her family you know everyone like who [TS]

00:27:13   hasn't killed his dark at this point I [TS]

00:27:14   just got to think this guy thing to do [TS]

00:27:16   is get some deniability something you [TS]

00:27:17   said earlier about this is this the [TS]

00:27:20   strength of Martin's story too is it's [TS]

00:27:24   we expect a story with protagonist and [TS]

00:27:26   antagonist and we don't get it and [TS]

00:27:28   instead we get this weird it's almost [TS]

00:27:30   like survivor where we have many [TS]

00:27:32   protagonists and presumably some of them [TS]

00:27:36   will make it but others won't [TS]

00:27:38   and the antagonist I mean and some [TS]

00:27:40   people rise and fall but it's like you [TS]

00:27:42   you mentioned Aria and you mentioned an [TS]

00:27:45   heiress and there's also a Jon Snow [TS]

00:27:49   who's that who's are you one of my [TS]

00:27:51   favorite characters and he knows nothing [TS]

00:27:53   but he's an interesting character and we [TS]

00:27:55   learned that he has like you know he's [TS]

00:27:57   got some is lame-o he's got a little [TS]

00:27:59   yeah and then there's and then there's [TS]

00:28:01   brand who's got super animal power [TS]

00:28:03   yeah right brand is another one who [TS]

00:28:04   should not be alive liked by all rights [TS]

00:28:06   and just through happenstance and lock [TS]

00:28:08   and Hodor Hodor has like I was watching [TS]

00:28:10   them with my wife was like don't they [TS]

00:28:12   all realize that like when the kids are [TS]

00:28:14   wandering around and they're like you [TS]

00:28:16   know you staying one step ahead of the [TS]

00:28:18   enemy their entire survival depends on [TS]

00:28:20   hold or because the potent as they can [TS]

00:28:21   no longer move one of the kids can carry [TS]

00:28:23   brand and then they go importantly there [TS]

00:28:26   is everything going over right from the [TS]

00:28:27   rough terrain in the north and her doors [TS]

00:28:28   got Brandon like a wheelbarrow and omega [TS]

00:28:30   restaurant so it won't hold our gets [TS]

00:28:32   knocked out they can move brain anymore [TS]

00:28:34   yeah because they get a please sir can I [TS]

00:28:36   help i have a start right here and we'll [TS]

00:28:39   just put possess Hodor i guess and make [TS]

00:28:41   him push the things he gets killed like [TS]

00:28:43   they treat her like a lady was not [TS]

00:28:45   behold or your Survival plans on hold or [TS]

00:28:47   is the most important character this [TS]

00:28:49   season yeah I was gonna say in terms of [TS]

00:28:51   antagonist and protagonist i'm curious [TS]

00:28:52   how you John especially is used as the [TS]

00:28:54   person who hasn't read the books [TS]

00:28:57   how did you feel about Jaime Lannister [TS]

00:28:59   Jamie this is the great turn of Jimmy [TS]

00:29:02   Lamia label I mean Jamie was fitting [TS]

00:29:04   like they had him being you know the [TS]

00:29:06   Kingslayer guy but all these kind of [TS]

00:29:08   said because you know what first was [TS]

00:29:10   having sex with his sister [TS]

00:29:11   so that's that's a that's gonna get some [TS]

00:29:13   you get all self guilt there and [TS]

00:29:14   and is like everyone thinks I'm a [TS]

00:29:16   kingslayer just gonna kill one king [TS]

00:29:18   yeah you're one getting all this on your [TS]

00:29:21   King's lair and then someone gets his [TS]

00:29:23   hand cut off and humbled and everything [TS]

00:29:25   but you always they always portrayed him [TS]

00:29:26   as like there was there was a part of [TS]

00:29:28   goodness in him a lot of the bad things [TS]

00:29:29   he did were like self spite like what [TS]

00:29:31   you find if you think I'm a bad guy [TS]

00:29:32   while I'm gonna act like a bad guy and [TS]

00:29:34   everyone in this world has like the [TS]

00:29:35   moral flexibility to just be killing [TS]

00:29:36   children left and right or you know and [TS]

00:29:38   paying attention to beggars and stuff [TS]

00:29:40   but it you know given that baseline he [TS]

00:29:42   does have some sort of heart of goodness [TS]

00:29:44   my head to come how many saves your [TS]

00:29:45   money and ran from the bear and all that [TS]

00:29:47   other stuff right now the pair and now [TS]

00:29:49   but I was said when I saw him go back to [TS]

00:29:50   his evil sister because it's like you [TS]

00:29:53   should you should have [TS]

00:29:54   yes but she's disgusted by a stump maybe [TS]

00:29:56   well but this didn't have to show you [TS]

00:29:58   long enough for like this turnabout [TS]

00:30:00   should have made him like you know [TS]

00:30:01   realize that everything out that he [TS]

00:30:03   shouldn't be associating with you but he [TS]

00:30:05   still holds out and then he comes and [TS]

00:30:06   are you like shrugs the stump like man I [TS]

00:30:08   I but that I feel like that's that's one [TS]

00:30:10   of those questions for us to ponder [TS]

00:30:11   between the seasons like what what is [TS]

00:30:13   this relationship between them now [TS]

00:30:14   didn't rush into each other's anything [TS]

00:30:16   but he's too self-centered to ever be a [TS]

00:30:18   story arc hero except circumstantially [TS]

00:30:21   because he cares about himself and his [TS]

00:30:23   own image of himself and all that stuff [TS]

00:30:26   he does not care who wins the war what [TS]

00:30:28   side is on what battle he doesn't care [TS]

00:30:29   about family so much he's like I always [TS]

00:30:31   thought he was Prince Humperdinck so [TS]

00:30:33   well I and I think it's very interesting [TS]

00:30:34   because you know if you have read the [TS]

00:30:36   books then you start out of seeing him [TS]

00:30:38   is the guy who throws breaking out a [TS]

00:30:40   window right you're like there's no [TS]

00:30:41   coming back and coming back from them [TS]

00:30:43   and at a certain point in storage i [TS]

00:30:45   believe he becomes a viewpoint [TS]

00:30:46   characters you actually get into his [TS]

00:30:48   head during all those moments when he's [TS]

00:30:49   white riding with Brienne and he is you [TS]

00:30:53   know he does you come around on him a [TS]

00:30:54   little bit you're right about what [TS]

00:30:56   you're right there's it'sit's hard he [TS]

00:30:57   harnessed sired an arrogant and all of [TS]

00:30:59   those things but there's a redemptive [TS]

00:31:01   quality it's amazing how far we come [TS]

00:31:03   with Jamie in this season where he's not [TS]

00:31:08   the villain he's questionable in lots of [TS]

00:31:11   ways but he also went back and he [TS]

00:31:12   doesn't work and you feel bad about [TS]

00:31:14   about how he's treated and even when [TS]

00:31:16   using with brie and like I feel itís at [TS]

00:31:19   certain points that he could have killed [TS]

00:31:20   her and escaped [TS]

00:31:21   yeah but didn't and like when they're [TS]

00:31:23   fighting on the bridge and everything he [TS]

00:31:25   would buy that point was hungry and [TS]

00:31:27   stuff like that but like if it is [TS]

00:31:28   he was bent on killing her like he [TS]

00:31:29   gained respect for her in that respect [TS]

00:31:31   cause I'm not to be terrible but like [TS]

00:31:32   pushing bring out the window at this [TS]

00:31:33   point everyone in this world I feel like [TS]

00:31:35   it's like you just killed one kid like [TS]

00:31:37   it killed all the line didn't kill I [TS]

00:31:39   nobody tries like any kid comes in the [TS]

00:31:41   window and you're like I became the one [TS]

00:31:43   who was knowing that killed is like life [TS]

00:31:45   is so cheap and in this world of [TS]

00:31:46   Westeros that everybody has that [TS]

00:31:48   baseline of I've killed you came out [TS]

00:31:50   know who hasn't the mountain ass Aria if [TS]

00:31:52   that was the first man she killed with [TS]

00:31:54   guilt or the dogs are out is that the [TS]

00:31:56   first man you killed that shit or is the [TS]

00:31:58   first one you've killed she's the first [TS]

00:31:59   man i'm not mentioning the boy I killed [TS]

00:32:01   right in fact with the people i ordered [TS]

00:32:03   to be killed by assassins but this was [TS]

00:32:05   the first man that I actually stabbed [TS]

00:32:07   until he was dead [TS]

00:32:08   yes and and even and even men like [TS]

00:32:10   people die all the time in that they're [TS]

00:32:11   not a higher class whatever so him [TS]

00:32:13   pushing bring out the window just [TS]

00:32:15   establishes that he's a character in [TS]

00:32:16   this world more flexibility is not just [TS]

00:32:18   like yeah you know it takes a lot to to [TS]

00:32:20   be looked down upon us like and like you [TS]

00:32:22   know you have to be whatever Ramses is [TS]

00:32:25   clearing guys chaotic neutral [TS]

00:32:26   yeah i mean everybody is like in it and [TS]

00:32:29   almost nobody anybody lawful good would [TS]

00:32:31   be dead in five seconds on the unit but [TS]

00:32:33   my clarinet is that he was again I don't [TS]

00:32:35   know if he was lawful good was he [TS]

00:32:36   laughing I i was going to say unless the [TS]

00:32:38   red God keeps resurrecting them like [TS]

00:32:40   beric Dondarrion has which is a [TS]

00:32:43   fascinating well that that's one of my [TS]

00:32:45   favorite most memorable scenes from all [TS]

00:32:47   these books is that the battle between [TS]

00:32:50   the dog and and Dondarrion with the red [TS]

00:32:54   priest in the Brotherhood without [TS]

00:32:55   banners looking on [TS]

00:32:56   we like all right there's gonna be a day [TS]

00:32:58   they got to take this guy down its gonna [TS]

00:32:59   know he killed the other guy [TS]

00:33:01   wait for the other guy came back to life [TS]

00:33:03   what the hell is going on group you're [TS]

00:33:05   okay so what happened also we also then [TS]

00:33:07   kind of walk away from it at that point [TS]

00:33:08   and yes really yes but this is this is [TS]

00:33:10   yes very good Martin does that i really [TS]

00:33:12   like which is instead of it being all [TS]

00:33:14   magic and fairies and everybody's [TS]

00:33:16   casting spells it's like you you get [TS]

00:33:18   lulled into thinking that this world [TS]

00:33:20   ladies and magical rules and then [TS]

00:33:22   there's something I enjoy hold my god [TS]

00:33:24   but so is everyone else in the book [TS]

00:33:25   anyone else in the book is like because [TS]

00:33:26   they were not hell is that those dragons [TS]

00:33:28   yes I said the Dragons they're White [TS]

00:33:30   Walkers okay but otherwise and yeah i [TS]

00:33:32   know she took the leech and threw it in [TS]

00:33:34   and then [TS]

00:33:35   Rob died i wanted gonna complain chance [TS]

00:33:37   but then the guy comes back to life and [TS]

00:33:39   says yeah I've actually come back to [TS]

00:33:41   life many times in the last few months [TS]

00:33:42   although yeah all my friendly to is the [TS]

00:33:45   other the other chefs yeah right [TS]

00:33:47   this event that the power because [TS]

00:33:49   they're not happening all the time [TS]

00:33:50   that's a mysterious thing about like the [TS]

00:33:52   you know the red woman and that whole [TS]

00:33:54   religion thing is I think the show is [TS]

00:33:56   done a good job of walking the line [TS]

00:33:57   between especially when you put any kind [TS]

00:33:59   of religion show a lot of people want to [TS]

00:34:01   latch onto like the good religion was [TS]

00:34:03   like the good god or the bandits like [TS]

00:34:04   I'm some of these the heroic eyes [TS]

00:34:06   because like if they did come back to [TS]

00:34:08   life and if you come back to life is not [TS]

00:34:11   like a are a good thing that your God [TS]

00:34:13   does but that's God doesn't seem like [TS]

00:34:14   the night is dark and full of terrors [TS]

00:34:16   wait what like it's not quite sure [TS]

00:34:19   whether to whether to be on board with [TS]

00:34:22   like is their mission actually righteous [TS]

00:34:24   or they're all crazy or is this like a [TS]

00:34:25   devil God or is it just like you know [TS]

00:34:27   that that they walked a good lineup is I [TS]

00:34:30   don't wanna not a morality god I don't [TS]

00:34:33   come down saying like oh that that is [TS]

00:34:35   she's a demon woman you have to kill it [TS]

00:34:36   was occasionally like the guy who is [TS]

00:34:39   under her spell more or less is it seems [TS]

00:34:41   like a reasonably good guys right and [TS]

00:34:43   he's got you know the half hand who's [TS]

00:34:45   like we're all written for him right and [TS]

00:34:46   they're over there doing their thing [TS]

00:34:48   when she got the red woman and I can't I [TS]

00:34:50   don't immediately label them as an enemy [TS]

00:34:52   and they're certainly not the heroes [TS]

00:34:53   either but they do have magic on their [TS]

00:34:55   side so it's like you know the other [TS]

00:34:57   guys don't [TS]

00:34:58   the Lannisters are resurrecting people [TS]

00:35:00   from the dead they also there's that [TS]

00:35:02   question of what if the person you don't [TS]

00:35:04   like ends up being right and and then [TS]

00:35:06   melisendra comes across as being so [TS]

00:35:08   creepy and weird and awful and yet you [TS]

00:35:11   know we know that there are these White [TS]

00:35:15   Walkers up in the IC territory waiting [TS]

00:35:18   for the winter to come so that they can [TS]

00:35:19   come down and kill everybody and she's [TS]

00:35:21   in the south and has this fire magic [TS]

00:35:23   it's like okay [TS]

00:35:25   a song of fire and I system and the [TS]

00:35:27   series right so it's like wait a second [TS]

00:35:29   so is this crazy lady actually the one [TS]

00:35:31   who's got the power to destroy the the [TS]

00:35:34   ISIS zombies don't also forget Daenerys [TS]

00:35:37   has fire to Paris is a fire when we know [TS]

00:35:39   the Dragonstone kill zombies because [TS]

00:35:41   Sam's the Samwise I mean Sam well [TS]

00:35:44   yeah I figured that one out in a nice [TS]

00:35:46   cross one of the nice things that I like [TS]

00:35:48   about this is occasionally those [TS]

00:35:49   storylines intersected I didn't last [TS]

00:35:51   episode where they're looking down the [TS]

00:35:52   well and saying oh somebody's coming [TS]

00:35:54   what's going to go on I'm like oh you [TS]

00:35:55   know who that is [TS]

00:35:56   it's gonna be something that's great and [TS]

00:35:58   then they do their little win Sam and [TS]

00:35:59   Gilly and the baby and they do their [TS]

00:36:01   little cross and then they take the [TS]

00:36:02   wheelbarrow out to the I'd like to pause [TS]

00:36:05   for a moment to tell you all about our [TS]

00:36:07   sponsor again I know this is hard to [TS]

00:36:09   believe the incomparable has a sponsor [TS]

00:36:11   can you believe it that we have a [TS]

00:36:12   sponsor we do you tell me about sponsor [TS]

00:36:14   well they wouldn't be sponsored by [TS]

00:36:16   didn't tell you tell me nothing about [TS]

00:36:17   this there's a silent partner [TS]

00:36:20   I want to get fired a spoiler horn [TS]

00:36:21   before your new favorite spots are we [TS]

00:36:23   gonna find that sponsor horns sponsors [TS]

00:36:26   sponsors coming [TS]

00:36:27   I the sponsor is a product that i [TS]

00:36:30   actually used I bought this in December [TS]

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00:36:38   does a genetic profile of you you they [TS]

00:36:42   send you a little tube you you spit in [TS]

00:36:45   the tube you send it off and then [TS]

00:36:47   magical computers do things and tell you [TS]

00:36:49   the facts about yourself [TS]

00:36:51   there-there's health information they [TS]

00:36:54   talk about their there's some [TS]

00:36:55   information about how Eugene's may [TS]

00:36:57   impact your health [TS]

00:36:58   there are these trade and ancestry [TS]

00:37:00   reports that tell you a lot of really [TS]

00:37:02   amusing things like well they don't tell [TS]

00:37:06   me if I if I do like cilantro or not [TS]

00:37:08   spoiler I don't hate it but they like so [TS]

00:37:12   they tell you exactly but they they they [TS]

00:37:14   may explain that it has a genetic basis [TS]

00:37:17   there's a percentage of Neanderthal DNA [TS]

00:37:19   i have a high percentage me and only ok [TS]

00:37:22   so I'm feeling really didn't know we'd [TS]

00:37:25   need a service to tell us 90 90 gonna [TS]

00:37:27   say if you're related to Robert [TS]

00:37:28   Baratheon it's it doesn't say about if [TS]

00:37:31   they had this in the game of thrones [TS]

00:37:32   that would have been so useful [TS]

00:37:34   there's there's a Lannisters there's a [TS]

00:37:35   caffeine metabolization tendency which [TS]

00:37:38   is fascinating i discover how that my [TS]

00:37:40   wife and I because we both took the test [TS]

00:37:42   metabolize caffeine in different ways [TS]

00:37:45   which is really interesting you can find [TS]

00:37:48   relatives that you didn't know you had [TS]

00:37:50   not only is there some family tree stuff [TS]

00:37:52   in there but it will compare your [TS]

00:37:54   genetic profile and say this person is [TS]

00:37:55   probably a third cousin explain a jump [TS]

00:37:58   John I talk like ah you know why people [TS]

00:38:01   here are so like I think we need to get [TS]

00:38:02   as we need to get all the audio genetic [TS]

00:38:04   sound things income got a quarter [TS]

00:38:06   million members of 23andme so there's a [TS]

00:38:09   big database so they can do some really [TS]

00:38:10   interesting matches i also really like [TS]

00:38:12   when I went through this experience that [TS]

00:38:15   the the 23andme website is is very [TS]

00:38:19   understanding and and delicate i know [TS]

00:38:22   that a lot of people have fear of like [TS]

00:38:23   they're gonna tell me things that I'm [TS]

00:38:24   I'm concerned about that i might not [TS]

00:38:26   want to know about my medical history [TS]

00:38:27   about my relative history [TS]

00:38:29   nobody should know too much about their [TS]

00:38:30   futures so what the nice thing about [TS]

00:38:31   about the the 23andme website is that [TS]

00:38:33   every time there's something that might [TS]

00:38:35   be perceived as sensitive like do you [TS]

00:38:36   really want to know about your [TS]

00:38:37   percentage chance of this kind of gene [TS]

00:38:39   for a4 maybe maybe a cancer gene or [TS]

00:38:42   something like that or to disclose if [TS]

00:38:44   you have relatives you may not know you [TS]

00:38:45   have it asks which I really like so it's [TS]

00:38:47   not as if you [TS]

00:38:48   pandora's box is opened when you do this [TS]

00:38:50   test you can get as much information as [TS]

00:38:52   you want and as you're comfortable with [TS]

00:38:53   you can choose to share with the other [TS]

00:38:55   people in the service or not I had a lot [TS]

00:38:58   of fun doing this I found out a lot [TS]

00:38:59   about my ancestry which in my case [TS]

00:39:02   turned out to be you you're from [TS]

00:39:04   European stock during the Ice Age you [TS]

00:39:06   hit by the south-south part of europe by [TS]

00:39:09   the Mediterranean you literally honestly [TS]

00:39:11   yeah my people hid by the Mediterranean [TS]

00:39:14   they were all like winter is coming [TS]

00:39:15   winter is contractors come right and [TS]

00:39:17   wait for the ice to melt and then they [TS]

00:39:18   went back north and they went to the [TS]

00:39:19   British Isles are descended from white [TS]

00:39:21   Walker yes so exactly essentially that [TS]

00:39:23   that's the that's the case so that was [TS]

00:39:25   fascinating you know and and so you can [TS]

00:39:28   find out like maybe you've got ancestry [TS]

00:39:30   from all sorts of interest interesting [TS]

00:39:31   parts of the world so I knew I thought [TS]

00:39:34   it was I thought was really cool big [TS]

00:39:36   it's a fun service we have a we have a [TS]

00:39:39   special URL for incomparable listeners [TS]

00:39:41   it's 99 bucks remember when DNA [TS]

00:39:43   sequencing with science fiction [TS]

00:39:45   well now not only is it fact but it's [TS]

00:39:47   it's it's 99 bucks to do this you get [TS]

00:39:49   your data it goes in the database and [TS]

00:39:51   then there are all these web features [TS]

00:39:52   there is a website it's not a secret [TS]

00:39:54   it's 23andme dot-com / incomparable go [TS]

00:39:58   there [TS]

00:39:59   order the DNA kit and find out about who [TS]

00:40:03   you are where you came from and if you [TS]

00:40:05   like cilantro or not what you already [TS]

00:40:06   know but now you can find out why that [TS]

00:40:08   when people make fun of you for not [TS]

00:40:09   liking the cilantro that's in the [TS]

00:40:11   welcome only you could say it's in my [TS]

00:40:12   genes she's like battle definitely [TS]

00:40:15   sounds more informative than the last [TS]

00:40:16   time I spat into been mailed it off but [TS]

00:40:19   that's right i'm sure that worked well [TS]

00:40:20   for you that's right so thank you 23 me [TS]

00:40:22   for keeping this podcast afloat this [TS]

00:40:25   world has another good thing going for [TS]

00:40:26   in that everybody who wants power [TS]

00:40:28   shouldn't be allowed to have it which is [TS]

00:40:29   pretty thing seems realistic because [TS]

00:40:31   like Ned does not want power he was the [TS]

00:40:32   only one worthy of it and everybody else [TS]

00:40:34   wanted wants to be king wants to gain [TS]

00:40:36   territories and every single one of them [TS]

00:40:37   to a person you is like bad in some way [TS]

00:40:40   you know and the only people who [TS]

00:40:42   actually seem to have any goodness don't [TS]

00:40:45   want power would try to reject it if it [TS]

00:40:47   was offered and that's an idealistic way [TS]

00:40:49   to look at the world right like the only [TS]

00:40:51   people who are deserving of power the [TS]

00:40:52   ones who don't want it because they're [TS]

00:40:53   the ones who will really quick and worse [TS]

00:40:55   guy that people who are to have it [TS]

00:40:57   thrust upon them [TS]

00:40:59   it destroys them and and with Ned it's [TS]

00:41:01   quite literally destroyed him and with [TS]

00:41:02   Tyrion he gets his first opportunity [TS]

00:41:04   they tried to kill him and they kicked [TS]

00:41:06   him out into the into the cellar and he [TS]

00:41:09   did a good job with his power when he [TS]

00:41:11   had thrust upon him but they don't they [TS]

00:41:13   kick them out so those people you know [TS]

00:41:15   we we wish for them to have the power [TS]

00:41:17   even though they don't want it but it [TS]

00:41:18   doesn't end well for them so i love that [TS]

00:41:20   there's no real good solution it's kind [TS]

00:41:23   of it's kind of like Vera see more [TS]

00:41:25   sympathetic because Littlefinger wants [TS]

00:41:28   power you do not want him to have it [TS]

00:41:29   like that climb speeches like are we [TS]

00:41:31   always knew he was like but also you [TS]

00:41:33   feel like he's never going to get it [TS]

00:41:34   because he has many schemes and whatever [TS]

00:41:36   but like the season where they say [TS]

00:41:38   underachiever he could if he could set [TS]

00:41:40   the whole world on fire and rule over [TS]

00:41:41   the ashes he would write yeah him and [TS]

00:41:44   but Vera seems like he's like I'm not [TS]

00:41:46   actually going to pursue pi want to have [TS]

00:41:48   power and control within the world that [TS]

00:41:49   we have it but he is not angling to be [TS]

00:41:51   can he's amazingly sympathetic III in [TS]

00:41:54   the books i never found him that [TS]

00:41:55   sympathetic but in especially the last [TS]

00:41:57   episode of the season heat you get the [TS]

00:41:59   sense that he does have a lot of limits [TS]

00:42:01   to what he will do and he's playing a [TS]

00:42:03   game that isn't for his personal yeah [TS]

00:42:06   everything is he has got to get [TS]

00:42:08   something that he's working toward but [TS]

00:42:10   it's not all seeing exalted also stupid [TS]

00:42:12   code button and the thing with Paris [TS]

00:42:14   that they do it it's hard to tell with [TS]

00:42:16   theirs because the books i always did [TS]

00:42:17   like him in the books and I think the [TS]

00:42:18   trick was it's hard with him even more [TS]

00:42:22   than with Littlefinger to figure out [TS]

00:42:24   exactly like little [TS]

00:42:25   you're used to assume he's always lying [TS]

00:42:26   no matter who he's talking to right he's [TS]

00:42:28   always telling whatever will best serve [TS]

00:42:30   him in that moment various is a little [TS]

00:42:32   trickier but it's hard to tell exactly [TS]

00:42:34   where his allegiances lie do they even [TS]

00:42:36   have an allegiance in terms of I don't [TS]

00:42:37   think he has nobody told me that [TS]

00:42:39   decision he has a goal state of the [TS]

00:42:40   world and work towards making it that [TS]

00:42:42   state and that state is fairly [TS]

00:42:43   nonsensical but that's what he's working [TS]

00:42:45   towards and so right but he's it's hard [TS]

00:42:47   to tell like in that last episode he [TS]

00:42:49   comes across seeming very noble and [TS]

00:42:51   sympathetic when he offers to buy che [TS]

00:42:52   like a trip home [TS]

00:42:54   well I did but everything I believed him [TS]

00:42:56   when he said you're a complication [TS]

00:42:57   that's why i asked to go away like he [TS]

00:42:59   doesn't care about her safety [TS]

00:43:00   nobody but he's like you it would be [TS]

00:43:02   easier for me to plot if you're not here [TS]

00:43:04   right now but he also he also think in [TS]

00:43:06   some ways you have to also remember that [TS]

00:43:08   that means she distracts Tyrion which he [TS]

00:43:11   plays off as you might get him killed [TS]

00:43:13   but the same time having Tyrion not [TS]

00:43:15   around would also be one less [TS]

00:43:18   complication for him yeah someone who's [TS]

00:43:20   actually closer to let I think he would [TS]

00:43:21   rather use Tyrion to get things done and [TS]

00:43:23   then the same killed off everything like [TS]

00:43:25   the thing i would think it was getting [TS]

00:43:26   at is like if she is killed [TS]

00:43:28   that's going to make tiering flip out [TS]

00:43:30   and flipped out Tyrion is much more [TS]

00:43:32   difficult to manipulate and work with [TS]

00:43:34   you know well and also have flipped out [TS]

00:43:36   che is enough to make the whole [TS]

00:43:39   situation go catastrophic very quickly [TS]

00:43:41   because she knows quite a lot [TS]

00:43:43   yeah yeah it has access to the of the [TS]

00:43:45   man but if he but he was little finger [TS]

00:43:47   he would just shake killed since being a [TS]

00:43:49   little bit little finger there that is [TS]

00:43:50   another way to read that is that little [TS]

00:43:51   fingers kind of putting the moves on [TS]

00:43:53   science' but then Santa gets coupled [TS]

00:43:54   with Tyrion so by keeping che out of the [TS]

00:43:57   picture she's keeping Sansa attached to [TS]

00:43:59   Tyrion which maybe foils what little [TS]

00:44:03   finger was trying to do plus a little [TS]

00:44:05   fingers obsessed with that there's a [TS]

00:44:06   Batali women there's a there's a reason [TS]

00:44:09   that they call him the spider [TS]

00:44:10   yes very his web his games that he's [TS]

00:44:12   playing fascinating character so John [TS]

00:44:15   I'd be interested to hear what you think [TS]

00:44:17   Littlefinger is up to the way they've [TS]

00:44:20   been playing him in the series is that [TS]

00:44:22   that he at once personal power and he [TS]

00:44:24   believes it is possible to through a [TS]

00:44:26   series of law a long game of doing moves [TS]

00:44:29   that he can somehow rise to power by [TS]

00:44:31   causing everyone else to fall down like [TS]

00:44:33   a bit personal power is his goal and [TS]

00:44:36   that they haven't given enough back to [TS]

00:44:38   review [TS]

00:44:39   understand why then he's just like a [TS]

00:44:40   megalomaniac but like in this world is [TS]

00:44:42   such a class system it's so hard to come [TS]

00:44:44   from anything except for already having [TS]

00:44:45   a name to getting one and he's like he's [TS]

00:44:48   like the American Dream trying to come [TS]

00:44:49   to pass the only way the American Dream [TS]

00:44:51   time passes by a terrible terrible [TS]

00:44:52   person doing terrible things and I just [TS]

00:44:54   get the feeling it's not gonna work out [TS]

00:44:56   for him because like he's gonna learn in [TS]

00:44:57   the end you can never overcome the fact [TS]

00:44:59   that you are noble born and all these [TS]

00:45:01   schemes and everything will just make [TS]

00:45:03   you a terrible person and eventually you [TS]

00:45:05   will fail to gain power [TS]

00:45:06   so that's my impression of him and he's [TS]

00:45:08   not particularly simple thing like when [TS]

00:45:10   they had him being in love with [TS]

00:45:11   what's-his-name the meds wife even [TS]

00:45:13   Catlett yeah i think they want us to [TS]

00:45:15   believe that was a real thing or [TS]

00:45:17   something but he's so slimy that you're [TS]

00:45:19   like no I don't believe I know I think [TS]

00:45:20   that's his childhood obsession right is [TS]

00:45:22   never got her in that lost obsession now [TS]

00:45:24   we're just now he's playing a game [TS]

00:45:26   because he's mad that he didn't get her [TS]

00:45:28   yeah but but even money stay with it was [TS]

00:45:30   like more of a selfish thing like it [TS]

00:45:32   wasn't like I can be loved like yellow [TS]

00:45:33   one child childhood obsession like [TS]

00:45:35   that's the thing i wanted when i was [TS]

00:45:36   doing better [TS]

00:45:36   yeah and now i want to get it but I [TS]

00:45:38   really can't happen it's dark and he [TS]

00:45:40   just needs that learning everything [TS]

00:45:41   don't worry you won't do anything [TS]

00:45:43   anymore no nothing will rob or catlin or [TS]

00:45:46   who else or anybody else who'd all those [TS]

00:45:49   people who died [TS]

00:45:51   yeah I was always told i was [TS]

00:45:52   structurally benign disease while [TS]

00:45:54   watching you know thinking of it from a [TS]

00:45:56   perspective of people who haven't read [TS]

00:45:59   the books so you know there's that in in [TS]

00:46:01   season one it was always for me the [TS]

00:46:02   linework ned stark says I'll tell you [TS]

00:46:04   about your mother next time i see you [TS]

00:46:05   man [TS]

00:46:06   and so that for me there was this the [TS]

00:46:07   season it was the scene where the the [TS]

00:46:09   hound has area and is riding up the [TS]

00:46:11   river on the third out the times always [TS]

00:46:14   people see them in today that are and [TS]

00:46:15   it's like okay but you get like [TS]

00:46:17   everything but I'm getting excited about [TS]

00:46:19   like oh they're finally gonna get [TS]

00:46:20   reunited her brother brother brother [TS]

00:46:22   that everything's gonna be okay [TS]

00:46:25   instead it's good she didn't get there [TS]

00:46:26   in time or she wouldn't I exactly it was [TS]

00:46:28   another another lucky break for aria [TS]

00:46:30   yeah our hero our hero arts [TS]

00:46:32   seven-year-old psychopath I mean that [TS]

00:46:35   last message in this episode we're like [TS]

00:46:37   15 minutes we're buying where you just [TS]

00:46:40   you have her stabbed the guy death and [TS]

00:46:41   then you just look at our holding the [TS]

00:46:44   power Morgan like I was a bad light [TS]

00:46:47   think her and I said I grow up I'm going [TS]

00:46:50   to be an assassin to the scene me right [TS]

00:46:52   before that where she goes up to the guy [TS]

00:46:53   and says like yeah sure like the look on [TS]

00:46:56   her face my god we get you're sitting [TS]

00:46:57   there especially because you know who [TS]

00:46:59   she is you know in terms of like what [TS]

00:47:01   kind of what she's been through and what [TS]

00:47:03   she wants to do and what she's been [TS]

00:47:04   exposed to [TS]

00:47:05   you're like oh that guy's about my [TS]

00:47:07   murder cheese filled with a righteous [TS]

00:47:09   anger because she killed those people [TS]

00:47:11   were bad like they were making you know [TS]

00:47:13   I mean especially when acted like they [TS]

00:47:15   were you know they had killed her family [TS]

00:47:16   and they're joking about it now and [TS]

00:47:19   she's all her anger is righteous anger [TS]

00:47:21   she doesn't have like she doesn't that's [TS]

00:47:22   why we're still at this point routing [TS]

00:47:24   very is crazy she maybe then you said oh [TS]

00:47:26   she's gonna become an assassin that's [TS]

00:47:27   that's basically a noble profession is [TS]

00:47:29   working again gonna with the code and [TS]

00:47:31   act like you like Jake when right he was [TS]

00:47:33   he was kind of noble yeah I'll kill some [TS]

00:47:35   people for you and then all right enjoy [TS]

00:47:36   like you know that is the code that [TS]

00:47:39   makes these financial sense of the [TS]

00:47:40   regular you you pay me or exchange some [TS]

00:47:43   things and i will give you my service my [TS]

00:47:44   services I kill people you know it's not [TS]

00:47:46   me as they say in grosse pointe blank [TS]

00:47:47   you know [TS]

00:47:48   yeah yeah yeah you get a double play [TS]

00:47:50   with that the I'm pen year the the the [TS]

00:47:55   other funny things she's with this guy [TS]

00:47:56   who she says is a monster and a killer [TS]

00:47:58   but we're reminded of what's happening [TS]

00:48:03   with her when he gets her after she they [TS]

00:48:05   kill all those people and all he has to [TS]

00:48:07   say that where is warn me the next time [TS]

00:48:09   you will get right right now I mean that [TS]

00:48:11   technology's give me a heads-up how does [TS]

00:48:13   always a very interesting character in [TS]

00:48:14   the book because he's not a nice guy and [TS]

00:48:18   money not he's he's lived the life of [TS]

00:48:20   someone who kills people and that's his [TS]

00:48:21   job and you know it protects people and [TS]

00:48:24   kills people but he doesn't have any [TS]

00:48:25   allegiance to one particular thing he [TS]

00:48:27   does his job but he has to do it but [TS]

00:48:28   they given that vulnerability being [TS]

00:48:30   scared of fires you're like all four [TS]

00:48:31   hand as he slaughters more people yeah [TS]

00:48:33   but there when they leave but he's not [TS]

00:48:35   all bad you know right i mean he said [TS]

00:48:36   you had simply because he could've just [TS]

00:48:38   you know if he was it was just a [TS]

00:48:40   vengeful evil person he could just [TS]

00:48:41   killed area like ye are left her a lot [TS]

00:48:44   of demand for why even entertain like [TS]

00:48:46   when she's at the rock over his head [TS]

00:48:47   doing the thing is a hoot doing stuff [TS]

00:48:51   that that is the he's doing that because [TS]

00:48:53   you can tell that's his version of [TS]

00:48:54   affection for her also telling to their [TS]

00:48:56   telling her i'll give you one shot in my [TS]

00:48:58   head [TS]

00:48:58   also he thinks he thinks that she's got [TS]

00:49:00   value [TS]

00:49:01   and he's did that as part of its part of [TS]

00:49:03   it is that i keep her alive and maybe i [TS]

00:49:04   can find some way to make this right but [TS]

00:49:06   you could have his hog tighter and like [TS]

00:49:08   not dealt with her crap but he was [TS]

00:49:09   willing to put up with her silliness [TS]

00:49:10   because he knew basically wasn't a [TS]

00:49:11   threat and he has a simple yes and I [TS]

00:49:14   have to say you think they did a really [TS]

00:49:15   nice job with him in the scene where he [TS]

00:49:19   fights beric Dondarrion before you know [TS]

00:49:22   area explains where his fear of fire [TS]

00:49:24   comes from his job acting in that scene [TS]

00:49:27   was like are gonna take this guy and [TS]

00:49:28   this light sword on fire you see you go [TS]

00:49:30   like eyes wide like crap you know that [TS]

00:49:34   he does a nice job with that I thought [TS]

00:49:35   you and me and he's on his way and I but [TS]

00:49:37   it's not he's not cool he doesn't know [TS]

00:49:39   why did have to be snakes right you guys [TS]

00:49:41   man that's because you wouldn't say if [TS]

00:49:43   you were actually afraid of snakes you [TS]

00:49:44   wouldn't say why that's me she would not [TS]

00:49:45   be wouldn't go anywhere in there [TS]

00:49:47   yes that's right well that the end there [TS]

00:49:49   when the the slaughter is starting to [TS]

00:49:51   happen at twins he's gonna come over [TS]

00:49:53   like now this people which is a fire [TS]

00:49:55   we're gonna go go [TS]

00:49:57   there's fire any savvy like a lot of [TS]

00:49:58   people are sadly picks up the banner so [TS]

00:50:01   you can go out and not be you know the [TS]

00:50:03   banner of the opposing sides yeah nice [TS]

00:50:05   smart anything else we should talk about [TS]

00:50:07   about game of thrones before we move on [TS]

00:50:08   I really love the scenes that they [TS]

00:50:10   inserted with Davos and Gendry so we [TS]

00:50:13   don't in the books there's a different [TS]

00:50:16   character in the books this year i give [TS]

00:50:18   me anything there's another Roberts [TS]

00:50:19   bastard but they decided obviously we [TS]

00:50:21   already have a band behind them we had [TS]

00:50:22   yesterday was against a likeable [TS]

00:50:24   character together you have a lot to do [TS]

00:50:25   women in the books he is very much more [TS]

00:50:27   of a like everyone after him because [TS]

00:50:29   he's the pastor but we don't get much [TS]

00:50:30   out of him [TS]

00:50:31   I'm Andy making he ends up staying [TS]

00:50:33   fields in the books means of staying [TS]

00:50:34   with the Brotherhood banners and this [TS]

00:50:36   one he rides on get sold by the [TS]

00:50:37   Brotherhood without banners will not in [TS]

00:50:39   the books he doesn't get so no go to buy [TS]

00:50:41   them right but it shows how other way [TS]

00:50:42   around and sell them to that else and so [TS]

00:50:44   I really enjoyed human and davos I felt [TS]

00:50:46   like there was a good rapport there i [TS]

00:50:48   love davos he's one of my favorite care [TS]

00:50:49   greater union a connector [TS]

00:50:51   yes greater is to read shireen you know [TS]

00:50:54   what I found their use of shireen in [TS]

00:50:56   this season 2 shireen the daughter [TS]

00:50:58   daughter yeah he's got the grayscale oh [TS]

00:51:00   yeah what that is called adults sheet a [TS]

00:51:02   quality Z's in the book she's introduced [TS]

00:51:05   a full she would have technically been [TS]

00:51:06   introduced last season because she [TS]

00:51:08   appears very briefly in the set [TS]

00:51:11   can rock but that when actors and we [TS]

00:51:13   need yeah they held her off and they [TS]

00:51:15   also combined her with a gesture [TS]

00:51:18   character who I don't know if you'll [TS]

00:51:19   meet in the in the TV show but who also [TS]

00:51:22   appears in books in book 2 and shereen i [TS]

00:51:25   don't know if you caught was singing one [TS]

00:51:27   of patch paces songs because it is a [TS]

00:51:31   nice construction to make it simpler and [TS]

00:51:33   yet clear for the for the show [TS]

00:51:35   yeah exactly yeah I think that's there's [TS]

00:51:37   overall sort of want to take away from [TS]

00:51:38   this season is that they've done is a [TS]

00:51:41   diverse learns to read and Reading Is [TS]

00:51:42   Fundamental I was rooting for getting [TS]

00:51:44   lower Jason it's in a book very [TS]

00:51:46   liberating for Gendry like a send-off on [TS]

00:51:48   the boat and you know okay well the [TS]

00:51:49   flatboat you can't swim and I was [TS]

00:51:51   drinking and he goes off on the boat and [TS]

00:51:52   he falls on ground i was actually and [TS]

00:51:55   that's the end of game three was I was [TS]

00:51:56   waiting for the onion I to be like what [TS]

00:51:57   you can't swim alright i guess i have to [TS]

00:51:59   come with you in this boat and just [TS]

00:52:01   don't like that kind of nonchalant thing [TS]

00:52:03   that you doing a TV show will I know [TS]

00:52:04   he's not going to ground but i would i [TS]

00:52:05   would like to do out on the boat and say [TS]

00:52:06   whatever happened to Gendry I guess he [TS]

00:52:08   dragged me around and then he and then [TS]

00:52:09   he did and that would be the one he [TS]

00:52:10   wouldn't company preseason it's just it [TS]

00:52:12   was grounded that never realistically [TS]

00:52:14   i'll cover the drought actually I where [TS]

00:52:16   they walked just seen a later season [TS]

00:52:19   where people are walking along the beach [TS]

00:52:20   you want to skeleton rare with his [TS]

00:52:22   clothes on it maybe seriously though you [TS]

00:52:24   know if you've never been in a boat and [TS]

00:52:26   can't swim and you sounded row for a day [TS]

00:52:27   you'll be fine he would not be desperate [TS]

00:52:29   desperate measures right leg is broke [TS]

00:52:32   free day in 5050 [TS]

00:52:33   he's strong he's not wait how do we know [TS]

00:52:35   how to row we don't know which way to [TS]

00:52:37   sit in the book and figure that out you [TS]

00:52:38   can figure it out my kids figured that [TS]

00:52:40   out we put them in a kayak the comments [TS]

00:52:42   below for a day of the hitting coach for [TS]

00:52:45   Mitzi night overall I think these these [TS]

00:52:48   two seasons like i said earlier they [TS]

00:52:49   suffer from one we can get for the [TS]

00:52:51   fireworks factory disease like this [TS]

00:52:52   seriously those days you know that this [TS]

00:52:56   tragedy if you scratching things to get [TS]

00:52:58   from the simpsons where they can scratch [TS]

00:53:00   you're going to see a science is like [TS]

00:53:01   five miles to the fireworks factory and [TS]

00:53:03   the drive some more and it's like three [TS]

00:53:04   miles of the back fireworks factory like [TS]

00:53:06   gucci comes on the screen [TS]

00:53:07   oh yeah and again the kids watching like [TS]

00:53:09   what are they gonna get to the fireworks [TS]

00:53:10   factory was teased yes and it was doing [TS]

00:53:12   and they never get and fireworks factory [TS]

00:53:14   sounds like a fun place for you to [TS]

00:53:15   scratch it to be and then put your shows [TS]

00:53:16   up and never get better [TS]

00:53:17   no that was a future episode but anyway [TS]

00:53:19   this freaking White Walkers there does [TS]

00:53:21   there's water there's the slowest tired [TS]

00:53:23   they're not right already [TS]

00:53:24   well the time they're not white joggers [TS]

00:53:26   ok so the idea it's a long way from the [TS]

00:53:28   North day seems like everyone else has [TS]

00:53:29   walked to and from the like nine times I [TS]

00:53:31   think the idea the idea is that they're [TS]

00:53:33   gathering their strength also because [TS]

00:53:34   it's not winter yet and it's the winter [TS]

00:53:36   is coming [TS]

00:53:37   it's very very close now they don't like [TS]

00:53:39   frosty hasn't come yet they write the [TS]

00:53:41   right snowboards the things and they [TS]

00:53:42   can't do that in two weeks late on my [TS]

00:53:44   impression was like they were [TS]

00:53:45   practically at the ball at the end of [TS]

00:53:46   last season and this season underway for [TS]

00:53:48   the many ways yeah there's the mountains [TS]

00:53:50   and the gathering of forces I mean I [TS]

00:53:52   definitely let you know by the way of [TS]

00:53:53   major security flaw in the wall is that [TS]

00:53:55   salmon is like oh yeah there's this [TS]

00:53:57   tunnel that just gonna walk around it i [TS]

00:53:59   did this in the first spoke around you [TS]

00:54:01   can't walk around like going to your [TS]

00:54:02   liking to the ocean i know it's like [TS]

00:54:04   knee-deep water when you get to the [TS]

00:54:05   ocean just wait out there and daughter [TS]

00:54:07   of all you don't need to do it you can [TS]

00:54:08   just go through this little tunnel and [TS]

00:54:10   come up in a in a while because well [TS]

00:54:11   said he only learned it from my you know [TS]

00:54:13   thousand-year-old book so you are [TS]

00:54:15   unlikely that the Whitewater just [TS]

00:54:16   walking whatever the next season here [TS]

00:54:18   next season the White Walkers want to [TS]

00:54:19   read in the touching scene and then read [TS]

00:54:21   them about 4,000 years ago as a weight [TS]

00:54:23   has been a total here the whole time [TS]

00:54:24   let's go [TS]

00:54:24   well status is going to the wall in the [TS]

00:54:26   next season so maybe shireen will come [TS]

00:54:28   into friend with barberton approves of [TS]

00:54:29   this plotline I think the reading [TS]

00:54:31   reading is fundamental when the war fire [TS]

00:54:34   and ice [TS]

00:54:34   that's right that reading is coming [TS]

00:54:36   reading is coming winter is coming but [TS]

00:54:39   well are coming [TS]

00:54:40   yeah I'll didn't I don't want to spoil [TS]

00:54:43   it for me but i really hope there's some [TS]

00:54:44   sort of conflict Walker's win in the end [TS]

00:54:46   and everybody down that you see the esto [TS]

00:54:48   cables ugh there's a little video of [TS]

00:54:51   john george RR martin on conan o'brien [TS]

00:54:53   where they did like how it takes for [TS]

00:54:54   like spoilers and he's talking the only [TS]

00:54:57   one I really loved this winter comes [TS]

00:54:58   it's not so bad it's kind of cozy make a [TS]

00:55:01   fire hangout marshmallows in skiing [TS]

00:55:04   classy its nice ski skiing and white [TS]

00:55:07   mountains to the north avoid the trolls [TS]

00:55:10   appointment with the weights years that [TS]

00:55:12   it melted the intro sequence instead of [TS]

00:55:13   selling the elevator going up the wall [TS]

00:55:14   be like a ski lift 200 right [TS]

00:55:17   my kids are obsessed with zip lines so [TS]

00:55:19   they would see that may be like ooh we [TS]

00:55:20   put a zip line off that time we ya do [TS]

00:55:23   with the way he killed no overall thumbs [TS]

00:55:27   up [TS]

00:55:28   things going well i like it i continue [TS]

00:55:29   like this [TS]

00:55:30   one of the leaders i watch on the night [TS]

00:55:32   that airs if I can't no I have to [TS]

00:55:34   because otherwise i'll be spoiled but [TS]

00:55:35   that's true that madman I tried it but [TS]

00:55:38   I'm motivated i was not is that for me [TS]

00:55:40   because having read the books there's [TS]

00:55:41   not as much to get spoiled but I'm in a [TS]

00:55:43   real love finding good shows which I [TS]

00:55:46   want to talk about two and this one is [TS]

00:55:47   still you know there's a lot of shows i [TS]

00:55:49   watch regularly kind of falling off the [TS]

00:55:51   air and and the game of thrones is a is [TS]

00:55:54   a goat too i mean i take Doctor Who in [TS]

00:55:56   Game of Thrones the only ones that i [TS]

00:55:57   make sure kinda like those with my [TS]

00:55:59   appointment shows right now game of [TS]

00:56:01   thrones way but no yes well yes no I i [TS]

00:56:03   think this season I i think this season [TS]

00:56:06   game of thrones really like i said [TS]

00:56:07   earlier came into it because not only is [TS]

00:56:10   it is it good but they've they've [TS]

00:56:12   they've taken control of their story [TS]

00:56:15   made changes to the books created these [TS]

00:56:17   individual episodes where when you look [TS]

00:56:19   back it's like wow this there was a [TS]

00:56:21   theme for tonight's show while they [TS]

00:56:23   advance the plot show is brought to you [TS]

00:56:25   by three-day Parenthood right I show [TS]

00:56:29   it's no no I and i like that today I [TS]

00:56:32   feel like that they're they're not just [TS]

00:56:34   wrestling with how to get through all of [TS]

00:56:35   this plot anymore and they're actually [TS]

00:56:37   like they've got control the producers [TS]

00:56:39   have of what they're trying to do [TS]

00:56:41   episode by episode 2 so for me it went [TS]

00:56:44   to a whole other level where I thought I [TS]

00:56:45   think this is one of the best shows on [TS]

00:56:46   TV now not knowing what the book is like [TS]

00:56:49   all the seasons look pretty evening to [TS]

00:56:51   me because i don't know like where they [TS]

00:56:53   are struggling with I mean I feel like [TS]

00:56:55   they're starting the same amount with [TS]

00:56:56   iic the like I think I said the first [TS]

00:56:58   season looks like highlights of a longer [TS]

00:57:00   work and continue to look like I have a [TS]

00:57:02   longer work but all I can't pick a [TS]

00:57:04   favorite season i think if i had to pick [TS]

00:57:05   one maybe I pixies and one just business [TS]

00:57:07   so type you know like pure beginning [TS]

00:57:09   middle end like you had all that [TS]

00:57:11   together all the seasons have that kind [TS]

00:57:12   of pacing where they're like it's like a [TS]

00:57:14   wire setting things up and then people [TS]

00:57:17   are moving their individual bloodline so [TS]

00:57:18   nice and terrible man and then [TS]

00:57:20   culmination and then du monde yes you [TS]

00:57:22   know and i think that's a great [TS]

00:57:24   structure in my life when I look back at [TS]

00:57:25   the night you think the classical plots [TS]

00:57:27   are ya comes up now well you know a [TS]

00:57:29   structure for a season because it start [TS]

00:57:31   slowly from the traditional perspective [TS]

00:57:32   a lot of things like we gotta go bang [TS]

00:57:34   bang we gotta have a big set piece in [TS]

00:57:35   the first one together and then we gotta [TS]

00:57:36   you know [TS]

00:57:37   and a big set piece and this this has [TS]

00:57:39   the patience to graduate to play it out [TS]

00:57:40   over all the episodes and all the [TS]

00:57:42   seasons really do look pretty even to me [TS]

00:57:44   every one of them has something to [TS]

00:57:45   recommended there's always one plot line [TS]

00:57:47   that's kind of silly that goes on too [TS]

00:57:48   long like the talk to one in this down [TS]

00:57:49   and the stupid attention to the ones [TS]

00:57:52   bother me detention area used to bother [TS]

00:57:54   me but now she's making progress and the [TS]

00:57:56   the walkers are there now bother because [TS]

00:57:58   they're making progress [TS]

00:57:58   mmm yeah I guess what puts puts it over [TS]

00:58:00   the top for me it's just that I felt [TS]

00:58:02   like individual episodes had meaning [TS]

00:58:03   unto themselves as a as opposed to just [TS]

00:58:06   being we don't think there are reasons [TS]

00:58:08   have that too and maybe I'm reading and [TS]

00:58:09   I don't know what I I kind of pic i pick [TS]

00:58:11   a theme [TS]

00:58:11   I felt like a little more like I was [TS]

00:58:13   just watching the next hour of the long [TS]

00:58:15   installment and this year I felt a [TS]

00:58:16   little more like that they had they had [TS]

00:58:18   coalesced little but I should all back [TS]

00:58:20   the characters are more developed I [TS]

00:58:21   should go back and watch this maybe [TS]

00:58:23   they've been doing it all day man could [TS]

00:58:24   maybe they haven't been I'm just reading [TS]

00:58:25   into it like there's always there's [TS]

00:58:27   always enough like they do enough scenes [TS]

00:58:28   richest people talking to each other [TS]

00:58:29   like especially in the earlier episodes [TS]

00:58:31   where you can latch onto something is [TS]

00:58:33   the theme in earlier seasons its people [TS]

00:58:35   having sex with each other while talking [TS]

00:58:36   got whatever you gotta do it mean it's [TS]

00:58:39   kind of like you know the HBO things you [TS]

00:58:40   should be they would front load the new [TS]

00:58:41   day and the first three episodes of the [TS]

00:58:43   series just to make sure people watch it [TS]

00:58:44   and now they were just this is [TS]

00:58:45   front-loading the new in the first two [TS]

00:58:47   seasons and yeah you're not just the [TS]

00:58:48   first two episodes now you're hooked [TS]

00:58:50   yeah I'm and now finally the women can [TS]

00:58:52   keep their clothes on when ya can't seem [TS]

00:58:54   to make it easy to edit for foreign [TS]

00:58:56   markets now no Jason I think actually [TS]

00:58:57   what might capture us more about the [TS]

00:59:01   later seasons is that they have more [TS]

00:59:04   that aren't from the books they have [TS]

00:59:05   more adaptations they have more [TS]

00:59:07   interesting complications as book [TS]

00:59:09   readers yeah well exactly and the [TS]

00:59:11   variation [TS]

00:59:12   oh yeah i mean the first couple seasons [TS]

00:59:13   are very direct and very much like yes I [TS]

00:59:16   am watching what i read a couple years [TS]

00:59:18   ago or ten years ago and I can pretty [TS]

00:59:21   much follow it word-for-word it's like [TS]

00:59:23   watching cliff notes in some ways and I [TS]

00:59:25   felt like the show really started to [TS]

00:59:27   come into its own as soon as it steps [TS]

00:59:29   out of the shadow of the book and said [TS]

00:59:30   we're going to start experimenting now [TS]

00:59:32   you don't know exactly what's going [TS]

00:59:33   exactly [TS]

00:59:34   yeah you're more or less part where we [TS]

00:59:36   know enough about the outline they were [TS]

00:59:37   going from that we can be impressed by [TS]

00:59:39   their their art and changing it whereas [TS]

00:59:40   you joining the yard without without [TS]

00:59:42   taking it apart entirely different [TS]

00:59:45   before we run completely over time i [TS]

00:59:47   wanted to talk a little bit about [TS]

00:59:48   I alluded to earlier i'm feeling kind of [TS]

00:59:50   disappointed by this TV season but i [TS]

00:59:53   want to see if there were any highlights [TS]

00:59:54   things that you guys wanted to mention [TS]

00:59:55   from the TV season as a whole rather [TS]

00:59:58   than I just [TS]

00:59:58   than I just [TS]

01:00:00   I can't get the energy to do a whole [TS]

01:00:02   season wrap up because I was just down [TS]

01:00:05   and that's a terrible episode to say hey [TS]

01:00:06   everybody everything sucks goodbye [TS]

01:00:08   so any and John you have anything that [TS]

01:00:10   you wanted to highlight the things you [TS]

01:00:12   like this TV series i have I the fact [TS]

01:00:14   that i can't think back and remember [TS]

01:00:15   anything that really thats all UV is [TS]

01:00:17   probably probably means that i know for [TS]

01:00:21   intended [TS]

01:00:21   yeah I barely remember what happened I [TS]

01:00:23   was really just disappointed i've always [TS]

01:00:25   been kind of hot and cold on that show [TS]

01:00:27   and then as it is it died with a whimper [TS]

01:00:29   and I i did I could barely bring myself [TS]

01:00:31   to watch the last few episodes and I [TS]

01:00:32   need to wear that I already complained [TS]

01:00:34   about this exact same i just stopped [TS]

01:00:35   caring about them because too many weird [TS]

01:00:36   things that what you complained about [TS]

01:00:37   when we talk about French the last time [TS]

01:00:39   it just kept happening which is I I [TS]

01:00:41   always thought that episode that show [TS]

01:00:43   was more strength of the emotions of the [TS]

01:00:45   characters and that it was I thought it [TS]

01:00:48   was beautiful that a lot of it was about [TS]

01:00:49   parents and children and actually the [TS]

01:00:51   last season they brought that backward [TS]

01:00:52   now well now Peter and Olivia where the [TS]

01:00:55   parents and they had a child and they [TS]

01:00:56   were trying to play that again but they [TS]

01:00:58   changed the characters and the timelines [TS]

01:01:00   and then with london's and they didn't [TS]

01:01:01   didn't really raise the kid they saw her [TS]

01:01:03   when she was little and then skipped and [TS]

01:01:04   then she's funny but they still love her [TS]

01:01:06   so much and the plot imaginations yet [TS]

01:01:08   kinda took took me out of the the [TS]

01:01:10   character and emotional connections that [TS]

01:01:12   I had and I'm gonna get really care what [TS]

01:01:14   happened to the world or what happened [TS]

01:01:15   to New York what happened observers and [TS]

01:01:17   about two episodes from the end i called [TS]

01:01:19   the ending I turned to my wife and I [TS]

01:01:21   said well they're gonna reboot it to [TS]

01:01:22   that seen we've seen eight times farther [TS]

01:01:24   out in the park and she said how does [TS]

01:01:26   that make it the very smart my wife is a [TS]

01:01:28   very smart person she said wait a second [TS]

01:01:30   but if they if they do it so that they [TS]

01:01:31   negate everything that would mean so [TS]

01:01:33   that the observers didn't exist that [TS]

01:01:34   means the observers would never have [TS]

01:01:35   have a vacay Peter here would have died [TS]

01:01:39   in the lake that they don't really go [TS]

01:01:40   and therefore all the world would have [TS]

01:01:42   been different anywhere no idea that [TS]

01:01:44   would be kind of a bummer so we're not [TS]

01:01:45   going to do that we're just gonna have [TS]

01:01:46   to go back to that seen in the park and [TS]

01:01:48   remember everyone and everything smiley [TS]

01:01:50   and happy and oversaturated slightly [TS]

01:01:52   blurry and I guess I madman [TS]

01:01:54   yes it is still going on I like madmen [TS]

01:01:56   but we've seen the first season of mad [TS]

01:01:58   man i'd like to try i really enjoyed [TS]

01:02:00   this season so this season i think is [TS]

01:02:02   one of my favorites it's not my favorite [TS]

01:02:03   madness not quite as xt in some ways [TS]

01:02:06   which i think is what i like about it [TS]

01:02:07   that this would kill me in the first [TS]

01:02:10   season I was like well I get it is [TS]

01:02:13   shading you keep watching it because it [TS]

01:02:15   is not good it has its really [TS]

01:02:16   well-crafted as a show but it's very old [TS]

01:02:19   the crisis of doggie raper it's very [TS]

01:02:20   difficult because the characters don't [TS]

01:02:22   the sympathetic elements of them take a [TS]

01:02:25   long time to development does they're [TS]

01:02:27   interesting but they are hard to yeah [TS]

01:02:30   well this is the best thing about the [TS]

01:02:31   show is I it has the guts you if you [TS]

01:02:34   only one season you don't see this but [TS]

01:02:35   it has the guts to not say you like [TS]

01:02:37   season one more of the same 30 seasons [TS]

01:02:39   it does not do that so keep watching you [TS]

01:02:41   are rewarded with the fact that they're [TS]

01:02:42   just not always just kind of encouraged [TS]

01:02:44   by this is this one it's gonna be it's [TS]

01:02:45   not and it and it's very it's some of [TS]

01:02:48   the rare well really well done period [TS]

01:02:50   stuff you know 20 sure to read stuff [TS]

01:02:52   interment doesn't dwell on it doesn't [TS]

01:02:54   want but it's just it has any time [TS]

01:02:56   you're the 20th century it isn't it has [TS]

01:02:58   an impact so when you when actual events [TS]

01:03:00   you know what happened that has an [TS]

01:03:01   impact so we're actually season was the [TS]

01:03:03   season was good is good yeah I'll throat [TS]

01:03:06   um that was looking at using all this [TS]

01:03:07   over to more i was looking back to my [TS]

01:03:10   list and agreeing that most of the stuff [TS]

01:03:12   that I saw this year was not great or is [TS]

01:03:15   like you know procedural stuff that i [TS]

01:03:17   watch that sort of just guilty pleasure [TS]

01:03:19   yeah the one show i will throw in there [TS]

01:03:21   that I i really do like is just [TS]

01:03:22   international it's just policy reception [TS]

01:03:26   justified my wife watch justin is very [TS]

01:03:28   and she's proving she's intelligent has [TS]

01:03:30   good taste she watches that show but I [TS]

01:03:31   don't watch it's a fantastic show [TS]

01:03:33   it's all fun he loves it yeah with the [TS]

01:03:35   old fan it's it's really just a [TS]

01:03:37   well-done crime show that's not a [TS]

01:03:40   procedural that's really about this one [TS]

01:03:42   guy who basically comes back to his [TS]

01:03:44   hometown in rural Kentucky I saw the [TS]

01:03:46   first three four episodes i thought it [TS]

01:03:47   was great i just and a fantastic [TS]

01:03:49   fantastic jobs by walton goggins who if [TS]

01:03:51   you've ever watched the shield or some [TS]

01:03:53   of those other shows just a great [TS]

01:03:55   character actor who is really does a [TS]

01:03:57   fantastic job of playing sort of a gray [TS]

01:04:00   area character on the show but yeah that [TS]

01:04:04   is one of my favorite that's one of the [TS]

01:04:05   other few shows that i look forward to [TS]

01:04:06   really look forward to so i highly [TS]

01:04:08   recommend it [TS]

01:04:09   son I think it's on prime instant video [TS]

01:04:10   offering i should list orphan black is [TS]

01:04:12   the show that i'm not i'm not watching [TS]

01:04:14   at all but i want so here is something [TS]

01:04:16   special assistant you mentioned that was [TS]

01:04:18   what I was reserving because i like to [TS]

01:04:20   go at the end [TS]

01:04:20   orphan black 10 episodes BBC america [TS]

01:04:22   that's new show i saw this year by far [TS]

01:04:25   already one of my favorite show [TS]

01:04:27   it's got some issues but the fact is [TS]

01:04:29   first off it is got the best maybe the [TS]

01:04:32   best acting performance I've seen on TV [TS]

01:04:33   in I maybe ever [TS]

01:04:36   Mills animal Tatiana maslany i think is [TS]

01:04:39   how you pronounce her name she plays [TS]

01:04:40   seven different characters i think over [TS]

01:04:43   the course of the season because she's a [TS]

01:04:44   clone and they are colors they are well [TS]

01:04:47   ok it's a clone drama just there are [TS]

01:04:49   clones i will say there are clones she [TS]

01:04:52   plays the clones place alone now she [TS]

01:04:54   plays the clones playing pretending to [TS]

01:04:56   be other clones and they all have [TS]

01:04:58   different accents she has to be like [TS]

01:05:00   she's British but she's faking being [TS]

01:05:02   American and then she has to play the [TS]

01:05:03   real American it's a good version of [TS]

01:05:06   dollhouse it is it is but where there's [TS]

01:05:08   one character and instead of all those [TS]

01:05:10   different it's great and and what's [TS]

01:05:12   great about it too is it's not [TS]

01:05:13   first off it tricks you into thinking [TS]

01:05:15   that maybe settling down into an [TS]

01:05:17   episodic group but it never does [TS]

01:05:19   because one of the characters is a cop [TS]

01:05:21   and you think of are they going to solve [TS]

01:05:22   crimes they're not going to solve crimes [TS]

01:05:24   it's not about that so that so it keeps [TS]

01:05:26   on the story keeps progressing and [TS]

01:05:28   doesn't play stall ball in the middle [TS]

01:05:29   which I really appreciated and also it's [TS]

01:05:32   funny it's got some social satire [TS]

01:05:35   elements because like one of the one of [TS]

01:05:37   the clones is in the suburbs and it [TS]

01:05:40   makes lots of commentary on sort of [TS]

01:05:42   suburban parent life contrasting it with [TS]

01:05:44   the city clone it's the cities of the [TS]

01:05:46   country clothes is dead classic story [TS]

01:05:48   great highlight can't recommend it [TS]

01:05:50   highly enough it's the only new show i [TS]

01:05:53   watch this year that I got past episode [TS]

01:05:55   2 and I we devoured all 10 of them and I [TS]

01:05:58   was surprised that I was liking it so [TS]

01:06:00   much but I i just got have to rave about [TS]

01:06:02   it really great gets better as it goes [TS]

01:06:04   by the time you get to the end you like [TS]

01:06:06   I cannot believe what crazy stuff is [TS]

01:06:08   happening and and i also remember back [TS]

01:06:11   when they used to do TV shows where you [TS]

01:06:13   have a sci-fi show where there was like [TS]

01:06:15   the duplicate like data and lore or [TS]

01:06:17   whatever and you could see the line [TS]

01:06:19   where they had the yeah they had to [TS]

01:06:21   split screen you forget watching the [TS]

01:06:23   show that it's one actress because there [TS]

01:06:24   are the the way they were however they [TS]

01:06:26   don't attack on general camera they have [TS]

01:06:28   these motion control cameras they did [TS]

01:06:30   there's a shot where three clones in one [TS]

01:06:32   scene and it and the camera pulls back [TS]

01:06:35   pans up there's a rack focus from one [TS]

01:06:37   character to the other all moving it [TS]

01:06:39   looks like it's it doesn't look [TS]

01:06:41   steadicam it looks like it's shaking a [TS]

01:06:42   little bit and it is perfect and you [TS]

01:06:45   would never even think that there's only [TS]

01:06:47   one actors playing the part so orphan [TS]

01:06:48   black major thumbs-up great really have [TS]

01:06:51   really great show i want this route I [TS]

01:06:53   there are two returning shows that one [TS]

01:06:55   which just started airing and one which [TS]

01:06:56   areas in the fall which I never shows i [TS]

01:06:59   quite like which are the killing which [TS]

01:07:00   came back despite having been canceled [TS]

01:07:02   people really mad can i really i really [TS]

01:07:04   like I i think that was I understand the [TS]

01:07:07   frustration for that I still think that [TS]

01:07:08   is one of many promises state they [TS]

01:07:10   shouldn't have made I think I they said [TS]

01:07:13   we'll solve it at the end of the first [TS]

01:07:14   season right inside and and but that [TS]

01:07:16   said that said it is a great show it is [TS]

01:07:18   atmospheric it is well acted it's got [TS]

01:07:21   fantastic cinematography some of my [TS]

01:07:22   favorites in at cinematography on TV the [TS]

01:07:24   the setting in seattle is just it's [TS]

01:07:26   really gorgeous and i are is they're [TS]

01:07:29   killing there's no Kelly there so it's [TS]

01:07:31   actually just a comment whether people [TS]

01:07:32   are mad I i really like that also Luther [TS]

01:07:35   starring injuries and almost back for a [TS]

01:07:37   third season this fall which I have [TS]

01:07:38   really liked because he's just he's one [TS]

01:07:41   of those guys you watching is just [TS]

01:07:42   magnetic in his performances [TS]

01:07:43   yeah he's not and i will show the the [TS]

01:07:45   other one show which I i forgot because [TS]

01:07:46   it was not my list i watch the Americans [TS]

01:07:49   yeah I can imagine that when you said [TS]

01:07:50   Americans i watch that as well I do not [TS]

01:07:52   like it [TS]

01:07:53   I mean it's not it doesn't doesn't [TS]

01:07:55   bother me it doesn't achieve like the [TS]

01:07:57   highs it just kind of names on the [TS]

01:07:58   middle and sometimes silly things happen [TS]

01:08:00   but I pilot but i didn't watch the [TS]

01:08:02   second i'm a sucker for spy stuff [TS]

01:08:04   especially cold war these a tease you [TS]

01:08:07   know I feel like they don't know you [TS]

01:08:08   don't lean on the ad stuff enough I feel [TS]

01:08:10   like which I thought they would be go [TS]

01:08:11   over the top and early you know what [TS]

01:08:12   seems like a really modern times oh [TS]

01:08:14   there's an old phone but you know what [TS]

01:08:15   this is like they need to decorate [TS]

01:08:17   there's an excellent dynamics and [TS]

01:08:19   they're barely had keri russell matthew [TS]

01:08:21   rhys both have I think some very [TS]

01:08:22   interesting dynamics going on there and [TS]

01:08:24   it's a great supporting cast with [TS]

01:08:25   what's-his-name the camera gives the [TS]

01:08:28   best friend in the truman show that his [TS]

01:08:30   name all right and the the older woman [TS]

01:08:33   who's not going their handler who is [TS]

01:08:35   also plays a was on justified in earlier [TS]

01:08:37   season place an excellent villain there [TS]

01:08:38   so yeah that's your villain not in this [TS]

01:08:41   one the handler by submission in the [TS]

01:08:43   wrong I said no and i justified she [TS]

01:08:45   plays a villain or [TS]

01:08:47   in this one she plays again more of a [TS]

01:08:48   kind of question will carry the whole [TS]

01:08:50   thing was really only wanted the problem [TS]

01:08:52   this one is that it just barely hold on [TS]

01:08:54   to its promise by a thread because it [TS]

01:08:55   started for you like you should lose [TS]

01:08:56   track wait what are these people doing [TS]

01:08:58   what they're actually motivated lately [TS]

01:08:59   fighting or like alias in the sense that [TS]

01:09:01   you're like well it's the double-cross [TS]

01:09:03   well it's not so much that it is i think [TS]

01:09:04   it's hard to sympathize with characters [TS]

01:09:06   whose views don't whine up so clearly [TS]

01:09:08   with our own terms of like they're KGB [TS]

01:09:10   agents right in Deep Cover Russian [TS]

01:09:12   territory without the worst KGB has ever [TS]

01:09:14   been the best in terms of confidence [TS]

01:09:16   with the worst in terms of like a [TS]

01:09:17   dedication to country and motivation is [TS]

01:09:19   reception or like what they have to make [TS]

01:09:21   you sympathize like I think we should [TS]

01:09:22   affect that was an episode 1 right yeah [TS]

01:09:24   you can't have the defective episode [TS]

01:09:26   investment and I think they're designed [TS]

01:09:28   the husband it's also like but he loves [TS]

01:09:30   her but she doesn't love him because [TS]

01:09:31   they were raining but he loves her now [TS]

01:09:33   they get a lot of mileage I'm sure do I [TS]

01:09:35   thought it was good i thought was good [TS]

01:09:36   people like i watch the line watch more [TS]

01:09:38   like that i keep watching it but I'm it [TS]

01:09:40   I'm frustrated by its media i would hope [TS]

01:09:42   their second season is a little tighter [TS]

01:09:43   when do you have any any recommendations [TS]

01:09:46   or I watched a lot of actually old shows [TS]

01:09:48   this season new things oh yeah I never [TS]

01:09:51   watch the wire so i was running at this [TS]

01:09:53   year Jesus the wire is eligible [TS]

01:09:55   everybody an hour [TS]

01:09:57   ah but the one new show that I did watch [TS]

01:10:00   and that i love and i praying is not [TS]

01:10:02   getting cancelled because it's in weird [TS]

01:10:04   limbo state right now is a bun heads [TS]

01:10:07   which is on ABC family and has a [TS]

01:10:08   horrible name but it is a wonderful show [TS]

01:10:11   its by Amy sherman-palladino who did go [TS]

01:10:14   monitor or girls and it has Sutton [TS]

01:10:16   Foster and who is a Tony award-winning [TS]

01:10:18   actress and brilliant and in short is [TS]

01:10:21   basically a vegas dancer who once wanted [TS]

01:10:26   to be on Broadway and it did not work [TS]

01:10:27   out i suddenly gets engaged and married [TS]

01:10:31   to this guy and moved to small-town USA [TS]

01:10:34   in Northern California then guy [TS]

01:10:37   mysteriously spoilers gets goes out of [TS]

01:10:40   the picture and she's stuck in [TS]

01:10:42   small-town nowhere with no job but has [TS]

01:10:45   inherited a dance studio and it's just [TS]

01:10:49   about her misadventures with the dance [TS]

01:10:52   studio with the kids this makes a lot [TS]

01:10:53   more sense than she said it's amy [TS]

01:10:55   sherman-palladino yeah I understand it's [TS]

01:10:57   very good wife watches the show that ABC [TS]

01:10:59   family [TS]

01:11:00   it's ABC and I feel like this whole [TS]

01:11:01   other realm of television that people [TS]

01:11:04   are watching i'm not going to say just [TS]

01:11:05   women but this section of the population [TS]

01:11:07   that is watching the shows on ABC Family [TS]

01:11:09   devouring them and loving them and not [TS]

01:11:10   talking about them like public like [TS]

01:11:12   we're also probably we love Game of [TS]

01:11:14   Thrones let's all talk about Game of [TS]

01:11:15   Thrones there quietly watching bunny and [TS]

01:11:17   Sam yeah and loving on how much but not [TS]

01:11:19   being but not like raving about I think [TS]

01:11:21   there's some sort of secret shame of [TS]

01:11:23   lighting shows that are wholesome you [TS]

01:11:25   know like that that it i don't watch the [TS]

01:11:27   show either but I get the impression a [TS]

01:11:30   lot of the shows my wife watching ABC [TS]

01:11:31   family like old-fashioned kind of mostly [TS]

01:11:34   wholesome no one is going to be [TS]

01:11:35   gruesomely murdered or raped in the show [TS]

01:11:37   it's it's it's not a soap opera either [TS]

01:11:39   it's a bit more groups of course family [TS]

01:11:41   yeah i mean i-i lights for years that [TS]

01:11:43   Everwood which was a WB show which I [TS]

01:11:45   thought was a really well-done family [TS]

01:11:47   drama that didn't get into the overly [TS]

01:11:48   sappy and actually portrayed a fairly [TS]

01:11:50   realistic it wasn't like super soapy [TS]

01:11:53   there was enough interpersonal drama [TS]

01:11:54   that it was interesting to watch or [TS]

01:11:56   something like Parenthood which is i [TS]

01:11:57   also really like which is again a good [TS]

01:12:00   season this turned into this video and [TS]

01:12:01   the season doesn't have to end of the [TS]

01:12:02   triple-murder right thing ya been out of [TS]

01:12:04   control to extreme of throwing still get [TS]

01:12:06   you can still get a lot of mileage out [TS]

01:12:08   of that because family drama is [TS]

01:12:09   something that we all really want to do [TS]

01:12:11   yeah I very rarely have people killed in [TS]

01:12:14   a wedding so there that's good i relate [TS]

01:12:16   more to this [TS]

01:12:17   yeah exactly whatever you say Walters [TS]

01:12:19   now the come to my house it's actually [TS]

01:12:22   two houses without wasting away saying [TS]

01:12:24   are we going to your house you are but [TS]

01:12:26   it doesn't have a river i'm wearing [TS]

01:12:27   chain mail [TS]

01:12:28   there's no wedding right wait till I [TS]

01:12:30   introduce the musicians you want you [TS]

01:12:31   wonder why I never drink [TS]

01:12:32   yeah exactly you gotta stay on your [TS]

01:12:34   right now i'll mention of the delay time [TS]

01:12:36   watching right now on netflix that is [TS]

01:12:40   actually pretty good [TS]

01:12:41   I can't remember the last time to show [TS]

01:12:42   on the SyFy channel but i thought was [TS]

01:12:43   decent but continuum which is a Canadian [TS]

01:12:46   until next time travel show starring [TS]

01:12:48   rachel nichols actually not bad so far [TS]

01:12:50   i'm only like three episodes in actually [TS]

01:12:53   not bad about a cop from the future [TS]

01:12:55   who's chasing terrorists in the future [TS]

01:12:57   the terrorists build a time-travel bomb [TS]

01:12:59   thing that misfires and sensible all the [TS]

01:13:02   way back to the year 2012 done and uh [TS]

01:13:06   and she is accidentally control and [TS]

01:13:07   leave them cheaper to shoot that way and [TS]

01:13:09   that and now she has to now she has to [TS]

01:13:12   track them down and try to stop them [TS]

01:13:14   from destroying the future but it's nice [TS]

01:13:16   because it's morally ambiguous it's sort [TS]

01:13:17   of a question about whether maybe the [TS]

01:13:18   terrorists are in the right and that the [TS]

01:13:20   future is actually more dystopian and [TS]

01:13:23   yet she's this authority figure from the [TS]

01:13:24   dystopian government was so it's time [TS]

01:13:26   comes I like that yes i like that and [TS]

01:13:29   and then also she's very relatable [TS]

01:13:31   because she has a husband and a little [TS]

01:13:32   boy and has been time displaced from is [TS]

01:13:35   and and in some shows i think they would [TS]

01:13:37   play that is being like well I've got to [TS]

01:13:39   get back to them and in this show when [TS]

01:13:41   she tries and fails to get back in time [TS]

01:13:43   she breaks down and cries and is really [TS]

01:13:45   upset as one would be if one felt like [TS]

01:13:48   I've never gonna see my child again so [TS]

01:13:50   some good things in there and I had sort [TS]

01:13:53   of given up on ever seeing anything on [TS]

01:13:55   the SyFy channel so I I continuum i'm [TS]

01:13:58   i'm enjoying that course our bed was [TS]

01:14:00   terminated on the last time I don't know [TS]

01:14:02   Fox knows I blocks that was a network [TS]

01:14:03   it's been a while we can still see it to [TS]

01:14:06   keep seeing her and I shells game of [TS]

01:14:08   thrones got a lot of a sandwich and a [TS]

01:14:10   lot of the oil shows night I like to [TS]

01:14:12   assume these days incidentally that all [TS]

01:14:13   shows with the same actors or canon so I [TS]

01:14:15   just assumed that Sarah Connor is Queen [TS]

01:14:17   Cersei remember my kind of a problem [TS]

01:14:19   with the time traveling back in time [TS]

01:14:20   across space how the station agent got [TS]

01:14:23   to Westar outside really don't know I [TS]

01:14:24   don't know we're gonna be interested [TS]

01:14:26   that's very confined me up how Walter [TS]

01:14:28   from fringe got to board the Rings is [TS]

01:14:30   beyond me that's baffling to me but oh [TS]

01:14:33   well I understand how sean bean pie [TS]

01:14:35   i I can explain it in very one easy word [TS]

01:14:37   observers you say well as two words the [TS]

01:14:41   doctor he's just not move people around [TS]

01:14:42   here you know right fair enough you [TS]

01:14:43   fairies people back and forth all these [TS]

01:14:45   different addresses parents alright well [TS]

01:14:47   this has been good and now this room [TS]

01:14:48   that we're in is has proven its met its [TS]

01:14:50   metal and is really hot and oppressive [TS]

01:14:52   now because we've been where humans and [TS]

01:14:54   we are heating the room ourselves with [TS]

01:14:56   our bodies so I'm going to wrap up this [TS]

01:14:58   edition of the uncomfortable and i would [TS]

01:15:01   like to thank my guess John siracusa [TS]

01:15:03   thank you for being here [TS]

01:15:04   winter just keeps coming and coming it [TS]

01:15:06   does it doesn't stop [TS]

01:15:08   someday we'll be here someday we'll be [TS]

01:15:09   here and the White Walkers they're slow [TS]

01:15:11   they got cannes walk they actually are [TS]

01:15:14   holding Walker maybe they lost maybe [TS]

01:15:15   it's like you know 40 years in the Sinai [TS]

01:15:17   Peninsula it's like a big place just [TS]

01:15:19   start going in circles going so don't [TS]

01:15:21   know what they're doing they can't get [TS]

01:15:22   through them more and thank you thanks [TS]

01:15:25   for your time [TS]

01:15:26   good to be here i was gonna say John [TS]

01:15:27   that there in fact those shots are out [TS]

01:15:29   of time so we're seeing shots from like [TS]

01:15:30   40 years later they'll make it [TS]

01:15:32   eventually but it's just it's not only [TS]

01:15:34   across to the time continuum [TS]

01:15:35   yeah and serenity called well thank you [TS]

01:15:37   thank you for having me [TS]

01:15:39   so until next time on the incomparable [TS]

01:15:41   this is jason still signing off [TS]