The Incomparable

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00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back to be uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► I'm your host Jason smell and we are [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► here tonight to talk about JJ Abrams [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► revisiting rebooting a star trek most [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► specifically the new film star trek into [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► darkness but i think we could also talk [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► in general about the the previous movie [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► too because that predates this podcast [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► the 2009 edition of Star Trek joining me [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► to discuss the the new star trek movies [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► are a fine collection of folks dad [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► morons here is always hide am I Jason to [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► pleasure to have beamed in for this [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► occasion thank you more of a deep space [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► nine guy but it's nice of you two to [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► take got baptized see a little bit of [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► everything alright fair enough you you [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► know what is it a big star Wars fan like [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► Dan but he's on this podcast it's john [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► siracusa hi John [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► yeah I missed the the wrath of khan [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► episode which was the one you know [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► classic Star Trek movie that I would [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► possibly want to be on well for [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► Charlie's want to do I there we have [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► done that one yeah [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► so here i am also here my-my go to Star [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► Trek expert Scott multi-ply Scott oh I'm [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► excited to talk about Star Trek for [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► president and also a david lawrence here [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► hi David hello I guess I why don't we [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► start by by going back to 2009 and [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► talking about the original JJ Abrams [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► reboot movie a little bit you know i [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► liked it i saw it twice in the theater I [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► have the DVD or blu-ray i watched a [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► bunch of times you know it's certainly [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► not without its flaws but you know what [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► I really liked about it was going back [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► to the original which is obviously it's [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► one of the most influential you know TV [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► shows of my life I can't remember not [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► watching the original Star Trek have [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► seen those episodes as detailed in a [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► couple previous episodes the [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► incomparable so many times and I thought [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► they did a really good job of taking [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► this those classic characters and this [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► franchise that was kind of on its last [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► legs and and revitalizing it making it a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► modern enjoyable film that you know [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► audiences really liked and and i enjoyed [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► a lot even though it does have some some [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► things that bug me about it in young [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► talents I i really love it i'm just kind [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► of interested before we get started on [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► the new movie to go around and get your [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► guys take on on that the cliff face as [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► if there were remember back to episode- [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► 60 of the uncomfortable when we talk [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► about it in 2009 I remember it like this [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► now there's no flash back we went on the [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► air then hmm so uh so we will start with [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► Scott since he's the resident star trek [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► expert you know give a little overview [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► of your thoughts of the 2009 movie [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► well III went to it much like I imagined [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► Dan and John went into the Phantom [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► Menace except when i left my soul was [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► not crushed [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► wow I i was happy try that knife a [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► little bit more scared [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► sorry because you have no soul true i [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► had removed before i went to see the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► movie I was quite happy that the the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► reboot i thought was faithful at least [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► in tone to star trek i mean i have I i [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► wonder if they really had to blow up [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► Vulcan but others and that does anybody [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► really have to do anything that's really [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► the whole coincidence if you know Spock [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► is just hanging out in an ice cave and [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► Kirk just happens to land on that planet [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► and they happen to run into each other [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► and then they happen to see Vulcan get [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► destroyed its kind of stretching it but [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► overall thumbs up there enough John [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► yeah I didn't I have a false memory of [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► us doing a podcast about average [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► I think you would have yeah because I [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► and I was I was about to say remember we [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► when we talk about that like when i [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► first watched the movie I must talk [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► about something you guys about it in [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► person [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► I remember complaining about like the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► the silly scenes where Kirk's running [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► around with his hand all puffy and some [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► of it weird tone tonal shifts in the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► middle and like I had complaints and I [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► was like it was good I liked it but you [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► know but I wish they hadn't like after I [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► saw the theater like that was fun but [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► like the bad parts are stuck in my craw [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► and i recently rewatched it with my son [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► which will be a thing later when we talk [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► about this movie and I liked it way more [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► the on you know I guess is probably my [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► third of you because i think i saw it [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► some other way i like the way more [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► seeing it you know [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► recently many years after its release [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► because i was able to like the idea [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► silly parts the annoying parts didn't [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► bother me as much and I was just able to [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► appreciate the things I really did like [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► about the big dramatic beginning the [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► Cecilia over-the-top introduction of [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► child Kirk like some of it just like [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► went around the bend you know that [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► slingshot around the Sun so to speak [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► sure and and managed to come out the [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► other side and I was just able to enjoy [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► it as good goofy fun and enjoy the space [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► battle things and just like and maybe [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► it's because I i watch it again leading [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► up to knowing I was going to see the new [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► one because I just wanted to get back [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► into that mindset and seeing the JJ [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► Abrams style star trek lens flares and [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► all like it there's a particular visual [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► and kinetic style to the way he's chosen [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► to do Star Trek that I think is [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► different than the least the other [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► property jayven properties that I've [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► seen from him i was on board with that [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► and watching it again [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► I liked it more and I was excited to see [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► the next movie alright which you did but [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► we'll get to that David what about you [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► well you know I saw it you're well I saw [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► all the spoilers for it beforehand [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► even though it hadn't come out you know [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► there's it's gonna be well I mean you [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► know Spock is going to be back and it's [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► gonna be a diverging timeline and then [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► they delayed the movie for a couple [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► months so I had all that time to be [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► sitting there going to virgin timeline [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► to god no and I got all that anger out [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► is nothing sacred exactly is the [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► continuity built up like little layers [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► of a coral reef over 40 years that it [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► doesn't really interest anybody but [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► Phil's lots of reference material sacred [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► exactly maybe tipping my hand here a [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► little bit okay go out and it is secret [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► it well yeah [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► oh yes so I just sort of I expiated all [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► of that before i went to see the movie [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► and so as soon as it came out as you [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► know the midnight sneak preview [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► alright I'm there [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► and I didn't mind and it kept going and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► i still didn't mind and by the end of [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► the movie [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► yeah i had had issues with it but I just [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► enjoyed the cast and the chemistry so [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► much and as soon as the orchestral [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► version or the full orchestra playing [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► the classic theme and the planets [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► zooming up at you i had the biggest [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► stupid smile on my face and I think I [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► had it all the way home and I got home [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► and my wife looked at me and said good [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► as well [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah that was the best magic [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► trick that movie that theme at the end [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► because I held it the whole thing I just [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► put at the end and like this cheating is [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► cheating they're sending you out and [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► like you know they withheld it the whole [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► movie and they send you out on that note [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and how can you not go to the theater [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► smiling at [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► oh yeah can't believe that in the entire [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► history of the star trek movie franchise [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► they never played the freaking theme [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► song thats true yes the Star Trek the [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► motion picture they use the theme song [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► that would eventually become the next [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► generation stamps on now they'll do the [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► do to do to do to do but they never [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► actually like played the original [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► exactly they never get it yet and and [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► that was that moment in that movie was [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► like oh my god I've just enjoyed this [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► entire moving and now and now this [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► yeah what more could you ask for you [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► know I was gonna say about the [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► continuity it's not as if like a man [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► comes to your house when you see the new [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► Star Trek and takes your dvds of the old [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► star trek and breaks them and set your [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► books on fire [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► a man came to my house and did that but [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► it wasn't connected [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► oh no that was me dab you snow snow [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► Simon Pegg did come to my house and burn [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► only Star Wars stuff after Finn panting [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► minutes can you blame him [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► references list my main problem with the [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► the star trek 2009 was that the villain [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► was not all that interesting to me [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► oh yes he had a cool ship but he was [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► just a pissed-off minor I was like a [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► yeah who cares and and it didn't you [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► know where was he for all of the years [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► between baby Jim Kirk and grownup Jim [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► Kirk it was bad [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► he's off doing stuff he was in a Klingon [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► prison but that was really boring so [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► they just cut that scene out the DVD but [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► you're right in fact that whole the [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► whole as clever as the diversion time [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► lineas and as wonderful as an opening [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► scene as the opening scene with the [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► Kelvin with Kirk's father sacrificing [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► himself [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► I and all of that is so great and yet [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► the mechanics of Nero and I actually [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► think the worst single thing in that [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► entire movie is the when Spock does his [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► lengthy monologue that doesn't make any [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► yes where he says oh there was a black [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► hole then I had the red matter and that [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► there was no a star that threaten the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► galaxy which doesn't make any sense and [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► it and it's just like we just needed [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► this to happen and I i read the in on [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► the commentary track on the blu-ray uh [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► they actually say that originally [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► Leonard Nimoy's voiceover was clear and [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► they made it all weird and distorted [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► looks like don't pay attention to what [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► he's saying it's just but whatever blah [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► and it's and it's the weakest thing in [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► the movie is actually this kind of like [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► the villain in the and the mechanism of [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the plot its speaking of the last doctor [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► who episode and Clara Clara has a plot [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► device instead of a character like I [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► that's when you know you've been you're [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► naming all the things that I didn't like [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► about your first movie and starting to [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► make me not like it again because we're [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► going on that instead of the good parts [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► but I for you if you are if you were a [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► big star trek fan this thing that they [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► did with the thing going back in time [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► and creating a virgin diversion timeline [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► is perhaps the most respectful possible [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► way you can reboot the franchise because [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► you are you are saying we are not going [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► to touch like what really quote-unquote [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► really happened like that will always be [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► there we're not pretending it didn't [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► happen just telling saying it's not even [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► really a reboot it's a mere continuation [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► and and in that respect Nero is a plot [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► device whose purposes to allow us to [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► have a new franchise to kiss to make [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► this movie completely unencumbered by [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► continuity largely by from the point of [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► the divergence b but never met was a [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► rational point of view that did yet you [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► are like there-there they are making [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► themselves more income than they have to [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► because they want to do modules and all [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► the ridiculous things when the reality [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► would have diverged so much that nothing [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► resembling any other movies would ever [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► happen except maybe the whale think its [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► toll on its way right but it i thought [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that was such like that was one of the [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► things that you know the theme song at [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► the end is like I realized and guess [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► what they can do anything they want from [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► here and it shouldn't piss anyone off [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► because they are leaving intact the real [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► you know Star Trek timeline but now [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► they're free to do whatever they want [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► and so that's that's one of the reasons [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► i was so excited about the second movie [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I I a bunch of arguments with people on [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► Twitter about the about the star trek [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► into darkness you may have noticed and [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► one of the ones that I got a lot was [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► well they shouldn't change continuity [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► issues just been you know with it [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► painting within the numbers within the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► little lines of existing establish [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► continuities like wow there's no drama [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► and I've seen prequels and not just Star [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► Wars I mean there's no drama in the [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► leading up to the obvious and mandatory [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► eventualities I I just think it's it's [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► it would be boring in the extreme to do [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that and and so you know their moments [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► in star trek into darkness where I [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► actually I'm thinking where they going [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► to kill some of the main characters not [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► that 1i knew they weren't gonna kill [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► that one and we'll get to that but but [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► that you know there were moments where I [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► actually felt like jeopardy for the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► characters and of course it was just a [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► straight-on prequel I would never felt [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► that Dan did I I didn't get to you did I [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► i think the first thing that struck me [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► watching the movie was I that I don't [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► believe there is a oscar forecasting but [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► if there were I think this movie should [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► win every year i think they did they do [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► one of the best casting jobs i think i [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► could ever like they they managed to [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► perfectly nail all of these characters [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► so that they were familiar yet not [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► dislike that distinctly different at the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► same time and to me that was that was [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► quite the coup because i remember [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► reading the cast list when it came out [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► here like reading like okay [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► Zachary Quintos playing Spock what yeah [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► I can see that and and simon Pegg's [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► playing Scotty well that's awesome and [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► and John chose playing salute well [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► that's a great choice you know and you [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► keep kind of going and going there were [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► a couple people i was unsure of the [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► first time around but Karl Urban really [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► really want me over i think im so yeah [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► okay to John earlier tonight actually [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► that that uh I i will now watch pretty [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► much anything with him in it because it [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► is this [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► just a couple scenes where he just [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► totally nails it which caused good [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► because he's doing an American accent [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► that show where he hasn't he's a cop [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► with a robot partner [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► oh I'm gonna watch that now yeah i watch [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► Gunsmoke was a cop [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► I think maybe bones is is is the best [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► casting of the mall which is saying [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► something because I i agree with you i [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► think they did they did a good job and i [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► remember reading something during the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► production of that first movie that they [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► were approaching it they said look [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► because this was controversial like [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► other actors playing these parts they [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► said look these are classic roles is [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► your classic characters you know [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► different productions of Shakespeare [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► have different actors and have had that [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► for hundreds of years like it isn't the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► character of Captain Kirk something so [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► so great isn't the Kirk Spock McCoy [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► relationship so interesting that it [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► deserves to be explored further and not [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► just by the original actors so we've had [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► six guys play James Bond right like you [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► know which is also an iconic characters [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► i don't see really a problem with that [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► the other thing which is kind of John [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► touched on was this the divergent [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► timelines as a way to keep the original [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► canon intact which the more i think [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► about the more I find brilliant because [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► the problem to a certain extent well so [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► a lot of the earlier Star Trek movies [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► and hang you know hold up alright i [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► think the problem to a certain extent is [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► that they don't really play to the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► modern movie goings in the same way that [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► we didn't they didn't like James Bond [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► like James Bond has to get reinvented [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► for every era because you know Roger [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► Moore isn't going to fly in the 2000s [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► besides the fact is like 90 but it's [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► like that there's a different tone right [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► like there's a different there's a [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► different style of filmmaking at the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► time dimension and that's the thing that [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► star wars fans are stored friends like [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► to complain so much about with the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► special editions is like well it's like [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► you're trying to take a 70s movie and [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► making into a nineties movie and that [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► feels really weird and so they they were [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► able to diverge the timelines and and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► you know treat the separate thing that [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► is very much of its era it's very much a [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► movie of it of its time and yet has a [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► lot of you know the the same elements we [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► really like because like you know you [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► look back at like the bridge from the [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► enterprise in the original series it's [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► like when you couldn't have like the [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► blinking lights today right like it [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► would work it would look silly with the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► switches short switches are great those [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► witches are awesome i mean the scene i [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► always say the scene that they got [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► me and the first trailer seen that I [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► loved so much was the scene it's just a [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► one-shot of the Sulu like moving the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► lever to make the enterprise go to warp [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► i just i love it's like this chrome [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► lever it looks like a hot rod remember [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► when I put that screenshot on Mac os10 [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► review [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► yes yes because i was a quicktime player [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► and like yes that that one image jumped [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► out at me as well so much so that I very [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► intentionally chose it because you have [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► to show something playing in the movie [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► thing is that exact scene and to speak [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► to it i think that you know i will say [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► that that this the star trek is the best [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► Star Wars movie we've had in the last [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► like 15 years but it is i mean like in [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► that you've seen you've no doubt if [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► people haven't seen these the shot you [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► know side-by-side shots of like Star [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► Wars and Star Trek it's it's pretty like [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► there's a user's a youtube video where [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► they compared like you know Kirk going [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► out on his little like speeder bike out [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► to the enterprise and looking up at the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► enterprise to Luke going and looking at [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► the sunset they call that the luke [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► skywalker shot right JJ Abrams is a huge [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► Star Wars fan was not necessarily a [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► really big star trek fan before getting [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► into this so i think to me you know it [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► felt like it incorporated a lot of the [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► things that i liked about Star Wars and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► there is that element of and we'll get [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► into this little bit more with into [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► darkness but the helmet of even if it's [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► a totally different timeline there are [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► still dare I say it fixed point or like [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► well there are there are elements in it [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► i like the idea of there are elements [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► like there's inescapable things like [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► Kirk and you know certain villains are [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► going to meet up no matter what timeline [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► it is clearly the first even the first [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► of the first movie makes it clear it's [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► like a they never says it but it's very [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► clear that there has to be some the [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► universe's wanting to get these people [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► together that's why I can forgive mr. [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► Spock being down cold spot being down on [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► the the ice planet at when Kirk gets [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► sent down there and that Scotty happens [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► to be at the outpost there it's because [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► you know the the timeline diverge but [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► the universe is gonna get these people [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► back together right and i think that [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► makes it emotional sense but not [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► rational sense it's like a Stephen King [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► book where there's always some unseen [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► force causing the story to control [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► come to the shape that makes for a [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► dramatic story and I think that that [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► works from a sense of they bothered me i [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► like you know I i had that you know sort [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► of quibble the first time around and I [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► think it was because i was very much [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► holding onto this old like going into it [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► expecting it to be much more like the [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► star trek I'd grown up with which is all [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► very rational and science fictiony and [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► this was a little bit more fantastic and [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► so I I mean once I sort of separated the [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► element the part of me that was like it [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► doesn't really feel like star trek from [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► the part of me that's like yeah but I [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► kind of like there's a story then I [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► think I came around on it when when I [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► was when I showed it to my son he you [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► know he's picking out the different plot [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► points and saying I was cool in this you [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► know and he liked the timeline diverging [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► worked and was amazed by that and when [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► we got to that point you know how you [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► know it's well Scotty's there an old [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► spot is there and have been why is he [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► there and doesn't make any sense and he [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► said we act as Spock sent him to the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► planet and I went and even though it's [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► not the same spot obviously but to him [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► it made enough sense that there was like [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► this residual idea for Spock to do that [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► spacious spunkiness otherwise it's like [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► why would you do that in the first place [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► ok right because it because it had to be [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► done exactly is the old sci-fi trope of [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► planets in science fiction movies are [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► about the size of a living room yes [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► because no matter where you send someone [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► down on a planet he is inevitably within [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► walking distance of the most important [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► thing or person on the entire planet [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► that's just that's just a standard size [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► five triples plants are actually really [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► big and in reality you would spend seven [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► years getting to the point really didn't [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► there are that many around any given [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► star and they're not very close together [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► and yet there are several moments in [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► this in the original Abrams Star Trek [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► and in many other sci-fi movies words [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► like planets tons of them they're all [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► very close to each other and they're [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► very small and it's like no that's not [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► it I i also have to deal with the like [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► the quote on quote rule-breaking and if [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► I were wearing if I actually were [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► classes i would be pushing them what up [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► on my nose right now to say like the [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► transporter doesn't actually work well [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► at warp and you can't send people over [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► those [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► long distances from the the years and [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► years I spent reading star trek [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► technical manuals but again I just was [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► like you know what I mean I it's finally [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► we get there for a plot devised a way to [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► go they had an in story explanation for [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► that those like y'all this is you know [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► the war the fortunes of the blah blah [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► right it just bothered me at the time is [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► yeah as a plot device it's also just [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► like a transfer student pretty much [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► anything we want the two but then you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► look back at the old seriously like yeah [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► you could like make separate people [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► carry diseases like that's all sorts of [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► things you can do with transport is the [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► evil blankets [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► yes make even sure who's to say you [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► won't invent transparent aluminum that's [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► right all right now with you but if that [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► was the guy who went except except the [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► differences that Scotty smart enough to [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► immediately say excuse me are you for [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► the future immediately making out is [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► that you know Eric man is not very [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► interesting by the way he's just he is [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► either everything I just like that line [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► to get these spit flying out of his [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► mouth when he does it's great [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► yeah and that's it that's a ship with no [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► handrails no guardrails are sure it is [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► very unsafe excellent balance that bad [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► industrial design it doesn't even seem [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► to have like a complete floor anywhere [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► no that's a Romulan miners don't like [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► it's therefore rocks like they don't [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► around they do they do calisthenics and [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► stuff and I stab you with a little pokey [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► stabby thing if you miss them at least [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► they were reasons can just throw I like [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► that the industrial design the film is [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► also really really great i mentioned the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► lever on the enterprise before but also [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► i love the phasers i love that they have [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the whole thing that flips from likes [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► done to kill ya [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► that's awesome it's just it's not one of [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► those touches that like it it would not [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► have looked out of place in the 60 [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► series and yet it's still modern and to [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► me that is awesome [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► that's just brilliant design believe the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► enterprise is recognizably is the [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► enterprise but I you know has a modern [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► take on it that makes it again and the [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► bridge the same way I mean the bridge is [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► is more or less functional in the way [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► that the original Star Trek bridge is [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► but it doesn't look like it at all it's [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► all apple store you know it's glass and [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► white and yea alright a star trek into [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► darkness just came out and we all saw it [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► I i'll put it out there [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► I really enjoyed it i thought it was [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► very entertaining again it doesn't it's [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► not without its flaws but you know I [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► actually think that it has fewer flaws [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► them the 2009 movie starting with a much [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► better villain but much more interesting [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► actor doing much more interesting things [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► then then Eric Bana [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► sadly I mean he's not a terrible actor [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► or anything but he's not given much to [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► do and he doesn't do anything with it so [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► you know and and and John Harrison [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► aka the Mandarin is also known as con la [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► what I did not pick up other know you [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► missed me didn't notice that I thought [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► he was playing James Caan yeah week on [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► let me calculate you know and and he's [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► he cover Benedict Cumberbatch's great uh [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► Peter Weller is interesting although i [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► think peter weller is going to be [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► sinister and everything so when it turns [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► out that he said Mr I was like I told [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► you he was sinister it's peter weller it [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► was a good guy robocop yeah trying but I [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► agree he's not a guy that you cast to be [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► like oh yeah that guy's a good guy Bruce [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► Greenwood is the good guy [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► yeah he's here Weller is not a good guy [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► I either the thing with Cumberbatch's he [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► does such a great job of looking like [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► he's got such that such odd features in [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► some ways that they really work with a [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► Sherlock he looks he looks for till Ian [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► to me in this like they do a really good [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► job like nao he loses that cold-blooded [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► like it's just so i'll make you so [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► menacing i really be in to go from like [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► Sherlock to that it's so white with [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► flashy and and he's he said I mean this [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► is really cool [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► it amazes me that he got cast like two [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► days before he started filming which [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► yeah that's nuts but he said he went to [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the trouble of actually making every [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► line reading sound a little bit alien [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► sound like a little bit like he had been [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► manufactured which makes sense right and [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► so so everything after hearing that I'm [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► kind of listening to him going oh yeah [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► that's cool because it really is a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► different line reading from anything he [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► doesn't Sherlock parades and don't watch [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► parades and unless you want to watch him [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► cry but Christ on cry it was an inspired [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► choice because I i actually I would have [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► loved to have been a fly on the wall as [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► the producers of this movie kept [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► approaching actors initially approaching [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► hispanic actors who are like c'mon you [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► want to do your take on like end and [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► they're all like no I'm not going to do [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► no forget it forget it and they end up [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► with this English guy and I think they [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► mean I guess it was a gamble because [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► nobody really knew who going to come [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► Rebecca was at that point except those [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► of us who would seem the first season of [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► sherlock i guess but they will be locked [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► out because he brings a whole lot right [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► i mean you gotta have you got to have [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► good a good interesting character with [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► things to do but you really have to have [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► a charismatic actor and Cumberbatch is [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► that is that guy when I saw this movie [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► the second time because i watched it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► twice i was sitting next to what turned [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► out to be cumbered fans who were [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► wheeling every time he appears on-screen [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► it was considered was very strange but I [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► I totally get it he's he's you know that [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► they were very fortunate to cast him so [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► suddenly as we're talking about this i [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► really wanted there to be a scene in the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► movie where they cut away and Benedict [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► Cumberbatch like goes to his little view [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► screen and pulls it up and then calls [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► like Ricardo Montalban and like yeah so [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► I know this box over there getting [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► advice from the spa can really open your [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► shirt more it [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► smiles everyone spot does the Enterprise [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► bridge still have fine Corinthian [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► leather no it's glass and white plastic [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► do you still have the shield coat a [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► four-digit prefer that would you be [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► yes although again this is not this is [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► not the wrath of khan because its way [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► earlier and everybody and it's a little [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► more like a you know almost space seed [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► except spacey wasn't that great episode [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► and was horribly sex system so you know [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► other any other thoughts about the about [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Cumberbatch or any of the other acting [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► performances and into darkness i think [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► that might be a good place to do you [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► mentioned a lot of the cast for the [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► first movie but didn't mention one of my [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► most pleasant surprises which is chris [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► pine the casting for Kirk because that [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► that I feel like is the toughest role to [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► cast and all the some people might think [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► it would be Spock and maybe that's true [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► i'm just kind of spoiled by zachary [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► quinto but you know what do you do with [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► william shatner right like you don't [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► know whether you're going to try to do a [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► william shatner impression or be a [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► different character but not end up as [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► charismatic and chris pine has I feel [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► his walk that line he's not doing [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► william shatner impression he is [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► charismatic I i connect [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► with him like some of the challenges so [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► they didn't like him i don't i don't [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► know how you can dislike him in these [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► movies he just he walks that line so [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► amazingly well did not for a second do I [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► question that this is a character that I [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► like that i'm rooting for this [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► entertaining me and never any me some [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► some of his readings he will do you know [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► the shatner thing but just barely enough [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► for you to go ok you can have that one [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► right and then he goes on in the last [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► scene of the first movie he does that [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► bones yes it is but you totally nailed [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► it in that one I don't know how he does [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► that but just a little chatter right [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► just a little bit a little shudder goes [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► a long way [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► yes yeah he knows just the right amount [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► to put in so you don't see it or hate it [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► but it was enough to also be that [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► callback moment of oh god it's really [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► Kirk right like that's right it's not [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► just some other dude in a yellow shirt [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► right you know i think that was what [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► sold it for me and then having these [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► these different actors but with a [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► chemistry that is also very much like [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► the original chemistry [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► yeah the relationships are familiar if [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► the individual people aren't I was like [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► I recognize that triangle the bones [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► McCoy you know if you recognize that [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► even though it's deep blue so clearly [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► different people it's like you said [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► about the Shakespeare you know the same [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► roles different actors also one of the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► brilliant things that I didn't mention [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► we were talking about that the original [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► movie in that podcast that didn't accept [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► John um is we never unlike so many shows [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► and movies and things you know Star Trek [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► started the original Star Trek started [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► with them on their mission and so we [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► haven't seen these characters at this [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► point in their lives in either of these [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► two movies right Kirk even at one of the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► complaints a lot of people had about the [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► about the 2009 movie is that you know [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► he's made the captain of the enterprise [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► at the evidence like really he was just [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► cheating at his Kobayashi Maru exam and [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► now he's did you have no other captains [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► that you could put in charge and this [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► move on of them did get blown up right [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► one into darkness addresses that right [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► where where Kirk gets busted back to [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► first officer because he's not ready and [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► he's got response i mean for 10 minutes [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► valuable lesson for that long [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► I mean it is Star Trek they should have [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► made him they should have busted out to [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► cadet and then the whole movie could [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► have been him just studying and [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► Starfleet [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► yeah that's one of the nice things about [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► about seeing chris pine and his [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► relationship actually with with Pike [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► with bruce greenwood which is is his you [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► know his father figure essentially and [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► it's great because in the original Star [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► Trek you end the movies other than spot [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► dyeing Kirk does all this crazy stuff [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► and he always gets away with it right [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► and so it's good to have that early in [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► his career like he's got that tendency [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► and he's got somebody to push back at [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► him and say you you know you were gonna [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► be in trouble if you have if you have [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► this attitude i was pleasantly surprised [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► to have pike in as much a day of it is [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► he is like in that first you know half [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► hour so he people is a pretty important [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► part and I i really like the screen [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► would have been a fan of his for years [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► and it was great to have that scene [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► where they're sitting in the bar and you [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► get a call back to yeah I remember that [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► bar fight where you you know got the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► crap kicked out of you [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeahs paper towels up your [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► nose and everything and like it was just [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► it was a nice scene that it really [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► humanizes Kirk who as you said like [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► oftentimes as the protagonist gets to [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► get away with a lot of things but yeah [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► having him be much more of a human [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► character and kind of a script because [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► he is always walk in that edge right [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► he's always walking the knife's edge and [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► trying to like not quite play by the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► book get things done and I they do a [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► good job of capturing that I like the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► fact that this kirk this time lines Kirk [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► I i connect with him more because [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► basically they killed his father off [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► right because i always felt like being [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► out there the original Kirk was just [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► made me know and we supposed to be smug [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► but just maybe a little bit to smuggle [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► feel like maybe his he had his life with [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► his life was a little bit too easy going [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► to start the quiz this card immediately [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► kill off his dad and so he's you know [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► someone growing up without a father has [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► to find out that's why he's such a [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► screw-up at the beginning of the 2009 [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► movie and in a way that I don't imagine [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you know the william shatner Kirk being [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that kind of a screw-up so it makes epic [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► makes him more interesting in a Star [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► Trek II kind of way of like Luke being [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► this annoying whiny loser at the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► beginning of the movie [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► it gives the character better arc and I [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► feel like this guy's now a wild card [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► because he is it basically he has had [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► his formative experience of childhood [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► without a father has to shape him into a [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► more interesting more dangerous more [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► damaged person then [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► William chatter in some ways this movie [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► uh you know the theme of this movie i [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► would argue actually is is a willingness [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► to sacrifice oneself and to place the [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► needs of the many out in front of the [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► needs of the fewer the one which is [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► funny because that's that's from star [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► trek to but that's not the theme of star [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► trek to i would argue star trek to is [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► about coming to grips with aging and the [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► inevitability of mortality like all the [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► Star Trek like well I mean that's [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► actually one of the things that's [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► interesting about this franchise now too [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► is that they had old people you know [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► agent people in all the rules so that [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► was all about aging and now we've got [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► young people in those same parts so it [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► doesn't have to be about that there's [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► not a lot of action franchises that have [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► a cast bolstered by old people to when [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► you think about it like it's unusual [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► tired [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► yes that's right that's a deception [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► yippee-ki-yay card anyway uh what I like [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► about about this this theme of sacrifice [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► is that it gets to the heart of that [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► Kirk not uh not accepting defeat and [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► cheating the Kobayashi Maru and in this [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► movie you know Kirk has to talk about [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► sacrifice and Spock and con addresses it [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► and in the end it's that you know that [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the challenge that's put to him by pike [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► at the beginning and restated bike on [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► which is when he says what would you not [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► do for your family and in the end Kirk [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► is put in a position where he has to [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► make that choice and he does it he [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► sacrifices himself for these things he's [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► sacrificing himself to save his ship and [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► to save his crew and that's a lie i [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► agree with John I think that this is [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► interesting material because it's seeing [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► captain kirk learn things that I was not [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► sure Katt Williams chapters captain Kurt [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► learned yet rather than the getting old [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► part we kind of have this as the growing [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► up part right where you realize you [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► can't always win [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► you can't always come up with the plan [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► that's going to get around all the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► obstacles you can always cheat fate [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► essentially and I think that's it's a [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► nice it's a nice it's a nice bookend in [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► some ways to the older Star Trek films [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► where it's you know you you're on the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► other side of that aging humph [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► because Shatner's Kirk got to come of [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► age with an intact set of parents in a [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► Starfleet that was the gene roddenberry [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► one where there's no money and [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► everything you know everywhere all at [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► peace and it's an exploratory thing [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► whereas this kirk right away is it you [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► know in a more damage situation and in [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the context of a Starfleet that is now [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► you know 911 style militarized as a [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► reaction to all the stuff that happened [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► in the first movie which is no big theme [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► of this movie as well [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► yeah so he does not he he he's going to [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► end up being shaped into a different [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► person he just can't be that kind of [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► la-dee-da kind of smaug I win everything [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► and then think about my aging when i get [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► the retirement age of the Shatner's Kirk [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► go two planets and kiss all the alien [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► girls [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► yeah i mean like you said that hasn't it [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► yes they haven't even started their [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► five-year mission but you know in this [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► movie right and it was going to be a 5 [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► mission and they're dealing with like a [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► militarized Starfleet which is very I [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► mean I can understand why star trek [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► people may not like this movie because [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► it's not the Starks they remembered but [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► it makes for much more interesting story [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► telling [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► yes and and i would argue makes for some [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► interesting debates about its decisions [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► the characters make which every time I [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► hear somebody say oh it was just [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► explosions in action and I remember when [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► Star Trek used to be about issues it's [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► like did you not see the movie did you [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► not see spot talking about how drone [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► strikes are immoral and did you not see [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► the whole thing about a guy in command [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► of the military trying to create a war [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► I mean hello the pen and the following [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► going back to sacrifice [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► there's also that thread of everything [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► that Admiral Marcus is going to [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► sacrifice is is using as a sacrifice you [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► know sending Kirk and you know in the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► incursion into the Klingon space and all [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► that stuff is he's willing to sacrifice [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► Kirk in the enterprise whether they want [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► to or not right not himself right is the [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► same thing with sun sending just sit on [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► the edge of the neutral zone and fire [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► tore your torpedoes to the Klingon [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► homeworld it's you know the remote no [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► risk versus the personal I great [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► personal risk connection [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► not to mention you get to as a bonus [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► murder all the people who are actually [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► interpret [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► exactly hiding like well and this star [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► trek home gets to the the sort of the [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► root of one of my one of my frustrations [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► with star trek over the years which is [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► to say there's a such a heavy focus on [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► the alien and it's not that you know [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► there's an interesting things and [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► there's very much all an ongoing threat [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► and star trek about culture right like [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► cultures meeting cultures having [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► different cultures you know Leslie steps [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► on a flower and gets put to death record [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► and I think so but to me with a problem [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► with that for me was always that [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► yeah it's interesting from sort of [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► Alpine sky theoretical point of view but [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► a lot of times i found it hard to relate [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► to [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► I like a lot of people consider our spot [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► and data you know such interesting major [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► characters and although they don't feel [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► emotion and what's that like and I [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► always found them kind of boring because [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► if that like that that's not a person I [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► can relate to and I think that having a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► story that revolves largely around you [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► know people for lack of better words [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► rather than like guys in funny suits for [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► guys with makeup on their foreheads it [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► makes it more relatable story to me and [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► makes it more interesting because no [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► matter what happens in the future people [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► are still fundamentally people like even [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► if you end up in that future where [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► there's no like money and everybody's [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► happy and you don't there's still people [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► who get pissed off and people who you [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► know try to do other people and all that [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► stuff and so you know rather than I [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► guess maybe I'm being pessimistic and [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► not wanting to see people's better [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► nature I'll Roddenberry but like just [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► the reality of it like look that people [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► are always going to be Petty and cruel [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► to a certain extent but they're also [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► always going to be you know heroic and [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► try to raise the rise to the occasion [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► and that is something i can recognize [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► and as a story i really enjoy that [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► rotten berries future was a great tool [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► to do actual science fiction because if [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► you're going to like the thing was like [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► put whitewash the the human stuff like [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► we eventually evolved beyond that stuff [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► but now let the better angels of our [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► nature as exemplified by Starfleet land [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► on other planets with other people and [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► it's an even more challenging situation [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► because you know attics you know it you [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► get to sell twat you get to tell [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► Twilight Zone / real so you know [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► speculative sci-fi type stories without [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► being bogged down by all of the petty [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► human type things but at a certain point [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► like especially for star wars fan you [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► find that a little bit of antiseptic and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► you want something else i mean it's it's [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► the reason i guess they had the [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► wherewithal to make Spock half-human [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► because a full Vulcan or data or [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► whatever it's like yeah alright you can [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► do a few things with that but you spoke [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► without inner struggle is like you know [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► so the inner struggle makes makes a big [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► difference [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► yeah then this one like it's okay I like [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► this one because it the run Barry run [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► has to exist as a contrast to this one [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► because it's like what if humanity [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► didn't evolve up out of that you know [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► sort of pizza were all in into this [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► enlightened state because we got [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► sidetracked by these things that always [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► sidetrack us like you know oh well [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► suddenly there's danger in our fear [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► response kicks in and you start making [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► bad decisions and you know good people [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► have to fight against them whatever and [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► i thought this movie speaking of a peter [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► weller it's not miyazaki level here but [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► they did a reasonable job not making him [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► you know just crazy ridiculous bad guy [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► who just wants to do terrible things [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► like he believes more or less that he's [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► doing the right thing that kind of lives [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► at the animal right at the end he's a [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► little more seat scenery-chewing but [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► you're right he's got he's got a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► perspective right he's totally got a [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► perspective right everyone has their [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► reasons right and he and begin the movie [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► has reasons he's not just like you know [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► rubbing his hands together twirling his [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► moustache and the Klingons are even in [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► traditional star trek Lord they are not [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► nice [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► in the original series so they are a big [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► threat it he says war is inevitable [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► cycle yeah war with the Klingons another [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► exactly is gonna happen [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► what do you think's cap bomb all the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► Klingons Jesus we have to we have the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► preemptive strike before they get us [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► only patrick stewart could bring these [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► two races together only Nixon could go [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► to children [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► originally the topic of this podcast was [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► going to be about the star trek movies [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► vs Star Trek TV and which will be a [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► great topic and we'll do it sometime but [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► something John brought up there i would [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► say is is part of the interesting thing [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► here is that it movies have big budgets [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► and need to bring in big audiences and [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► it only can tell two hours of story and [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► TV series can tell these little [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► stories and then move on to the next [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► planet and star trek was conceived as a [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► TV series and it's become a movie series [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► and even in the classic Star Trek movies [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► it there was struggle there because some [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► of the episodes are some of the movies [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► that don't work so well read kind of [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► like TV episodes really long TV episodes [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► and satellites or or involving aliens [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► who don't age because they live in a [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► magical planet where they don't age but [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► the notarized plastic surgery leads are [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► very angry about anyway we'll get there [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► in a later episode but I i think that's [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► I think that's part of it too is that is [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► that a movie like these JJ Abrams movies [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► it's going to be a big-budget action [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► movie it it kind of has to be and then [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► the question is what else is in there [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► and how effective it is it as an [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► adventure movie and doesn't make you [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► think a little bit and just have [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► interesting character dynamics and and [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► that's why I really like this movie is [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► even though it it's got things you can [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► pick apart and especially if you want to [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► try to find fault you can find some [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► fault but I enjoyed the whole thing and [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► came out really you know excited and [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► energized and happy and have a great had [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► a great ride and when I thought about it [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► it unfolded more but it's not going to [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► be like a hundred episodes of a TV [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► series it just can't be it's a two-hour [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► action summer blockbuster and and it has [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► to play by those rules to a certain [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► extent [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► speaking of finding fault i was telling [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► a damn Miller tonight that I don't know [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► this is a mistake but it may be a [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► mistake for that from the perspective [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► this podcast but I'm seeing a lot of [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► these movies with my son who is nine now [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► I and seeing this movie or any movie [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► like it with my son [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► I'm not gonna say completely blocks out [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► my ability to look to look objectively [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► at the movie but like i mentioned this [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► about cars before to the pixar movie is [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► this your kryptonite [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► if you are next to a nine-year-old like [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► I took him to see this mean i showed him [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► the 2009 version i got a chance to watch [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► it again because I thought you would [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► like it and he did and I took him to see [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► this movie and this movie was so perfect [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► like this could be his like his star [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► wars movie was so perfect for him [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► because there was nothing it's really [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► gory like it wasn't too scary and just [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the action scenes were just unbelievable [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► I mean I enjoyed it too but I'm thinking [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► to myself wait a second [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► did you because I came out of that movie [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► thinking it was just fantastic like and [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► it's not saying the critical thinking [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► part of my brains have been disengaged [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► it's all things wrong with it but I just [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► cannot come down off of that high and [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► half of it was because i was sitting [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► next to a nine-year-old all-time who is [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► just you know floored by the whole movie [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► like I was telling them he came to the [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► we saw the movie and for the next three [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► days he would come from school going to [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► the computer i'm going to trailers apple [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► com watch the star trek into darkness [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► trailer over and over and over again you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► know you you can forgive a lot if you're [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► having fun and this is a not to call [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► back to what is one of my least favorite [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► episodes of the uncomfortable but when [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► we did the Avengers you know it was [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► clear that it was an Andy and I code [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► didn't have fun when you seen that movie [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► and he saw all the flaws i would argue [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► that most movies have lots of things you [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► could pick apart if you aren't having a [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► good time and you forgive them if you [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► are and I know that seems sort of [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► strange but I think it's true that I i [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► will forgive a lot if in the end i [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► really enjoyed it and and I'll and if i [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► am not having fun i will sit there and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► get very angry and I will tear [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► everything apart and and and you know [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► start the star trek movies and its [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► target a lot like the Hulk that I'm like [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the whole don't make me angry [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► no I just I I'm always angry damn that's [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► our secret it is the other thing about [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► into darkness though that like i was i [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► was actually mention Andy it is well [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► it's a movie like I know you guys only [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► dinner together without me [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► we were talking about the Avengers to [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► begin time we got to really enhance a [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► little bit but you know and and what i [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► was saying was that like it [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► the movie also need something exemplary [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► to to bring it up in into darkness what [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► I thought it was was the dialogue in the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► script I thought they were there were [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► scenes that if you could describe them [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► to me in the abstract i would say that's [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► gonna be death on the screen like you [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► know Spock and and her are gonna be in a [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► fight and oh yeah Kirk is going to be [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► there in like like oh that's going to be [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► terrible or whatever but they pulled it [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► off like it was just you know three or [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► four lines all good lines well-acted [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► provide like they were able to flesh out [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► that relationship in the midst of an [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► action movie in a way that was not [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► cloying that was clever and that felt [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► meaningful and like the same thing if [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► you describe me out in the new star trek [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► movies sparking are going [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► we're gonna have a thing and you're like [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► what what wait a second what and I [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► totally believe that relationship on [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► screen now like I accept it as canon in [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► this new universe it does not bother me [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► in the slightest and I think it adds to [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► the movie and I never would have [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► predicted that so I think that this [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► second movie here is it has removed most [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► of the goofy silly things that I didn't [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► like about the first movie added in [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► their place like good I mean I you know [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► I like moonlighting to like so I know [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► you have a little silly space between [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► people that are that illuminate their [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► characters and surrounded by what i [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► think is a perfectly competent space [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► action movie as Dan said probably one of [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the best Star Wars movies it's coming [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► out many many years I you know how can I [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► not like that like i do see the flaws [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► now stepping away from it and some of [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► the the shine is worn off or whatever [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► but the good stuff just so vastly [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► outweighs that you know I still know [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► those characters and having those [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► characters you you you know there's [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► there's good dialogue you're absolutely [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► right one of my favorites is when Kirk [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► who are talking in the turbolift about [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► Spock and he apologized because your [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► boyfriend's body is like that was [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► unprofessional and she's no you're right [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► and then the line that he says when when [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► we saw you having a fight and then he is [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► that moment where he says oh my god what [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► must that be like just is that how would [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► that be to be a fight with Spock or they [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► can go is so funny just so great in the [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► door Harvey staying right here right [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► already yes I asked a question about [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► whether her still going mad at him and [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► it sucks and it says something like [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► uncertain which works as that which [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► works as a logical Spock line but also [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► works as a you know rides I'm knowing [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► between friends statement about ya and [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► of course the line that my wife and I [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► have sounded surprisingly quoted back to [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► each other since we saw this movie over [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► and over again is no more metaphors [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► that's an order [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► i wonder if-if i should spy so the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► second time because i'm a gigantic nerd [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► the second time I saw this movie I took [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► notes for the podcast for the podcast [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► sure did you have your Starfleet [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► technical data on your lap you have one [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► of those pens with a light yeah I didn't [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► have one of those pens with the light so [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► and I didn't have any reference material [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► with me but i did my handwriting is so [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► terrible that in absolute darkness [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► it's no worse it's amazing how you would [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► you say you went into dark notes into [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► darkness nemesis Tom Scott uh-huh so I'm [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► gonna I'm gonna obviously this is [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► chronological because i took the notes [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► as I was watching movie but if there are [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► parts where everybody wants to jump in [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and talk about it will just by quickly [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► step through the movie I want to start [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► with the opening sequence which is James [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► bond-like in a way right you have this [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► fun action thing that that opens it up [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► plus it gives you that flavor of the [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► original TV series like they're on a [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► mission where they're aliens and they're [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► going to violate the prime directive but [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► i wanted to point out to watching it the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► second time i was thinking this block is [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► risking his life to save this planet [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► that there's a parallel there between [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► this planet and Vulcan which they didn't [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► save and they're trying to save these [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► it's it's a call back it's a movie [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► filled with callbacks to star trek to [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► i'll grant you what's interesting here [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► is that something I hadn't thought of [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► originally instructor to we there they [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► faked the death of Spock and the rest of [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► the crew in the Kobayashi Maru at the [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► beginning he so here Spock almost dies [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► again at the very beginning of the [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► second star trek movie I thought that [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► was kind of knowing and obviously this [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► is also sparks moment of self-sacrifice [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► and duty where he finally accepts his [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► fate it's interesting that he is kind of [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► you know really like coming to do it [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► he's like okay this is the moment this [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► is my big moment I can just embrace [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► death and he you know he shows he's very [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► common sense of self and he shuts off [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► his emotions and then they save them [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► obviously but it was interesting that he [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► was he was kind of like almost eager to [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► to die in that located oh you may be [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► projecting yeah well no I think there's [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► a point where the the again that sort of [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► if you want to play with destiny or that [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► there are things that are commonalities [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► between the two timelines I think that's [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► interesting i think it's interesting in [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► this jumping forward a little bit but [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► you know in in star trek to I think you [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► know Kirk ass to come to terms with sort [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► of being bumped upstairs right because [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► he's an admiral [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► yes and and instead we have Kirk here [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► busted down and taking off the you know [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► off the captain's chair so that you know [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► again interesting divergence in a Star [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► Trek the motion [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► picture reference of Pikes outfit is [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► basically the outfits from Star Trek the [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► motion picture and when he comes to tell [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► Kirk what's going on in the bar he says [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► they gave her back to me which is the [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► line that's that's a line that Kirk says [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► in Star Trek the motion picture so the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► references don't just start start and [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► stop with wrath of khan there are [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► references throughout i'm going to talk [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► about the enterprise underwater though [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► yeah we should you're right you're right [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► now it is airtight should because it [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► goes to space such a base has no [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► pressure and and there's pressure in the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► also within the atmosphere although [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► there are others it was built in the [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► atmosphere was built the atmosphere and [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► we've seen like Star Trek Voyager the [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► Voyager could land on a planet and in [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► tomorrow is yesterday the classic [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► episode they're down with clouds when [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► they kidnap that poor fighter pilot so [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► but we haven't seen the enterprise [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► underwater before and why is it [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► underwater because it's cool because [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► cool that's why it's underwater they [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► want that scene of them coming out of [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► the water i would look very cool but as [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► I was thinking also think it makes no [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► sense to hide your your spaceship in the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► water but i will give them that but i [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► have to quibble with it [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► listen I i like the idea that it's [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► probably discourteous like you know [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► what's a great idea we could put it [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► underwater and there was like no no I'm [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► the captain put it underwater it could [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► have explained it away with boring [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► dialogue but they could have been like [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► well the and atmosphere is ionized the [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► transporters won't work so we had to [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► bring the ship down but we don't want [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► anybody to see it but they gonna say [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► that's so boring that you know you could [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► say that there's a magnetic field they [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► can't use the transporters and surely [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► some reason that just inspires don't [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► work [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► forgive your keebler yeah well they hid [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► they hid the enterprising the rings of [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► Saturn in the first movie which also [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► makes 0 so yeah alright little Titan's [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► atmosphere but yeah whatever it was you [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► have evidence that none none of these [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► things make sense from a space science [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► increases corner they like the [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► enterprise coming out of things it was [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► cool but I just have to say I think [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► there are probably better solutions to [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that same problem what the solution to [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► having a cool opening scene to a movie [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► that's on a planet that's that's the [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► problem they were self-help maybe they [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► should have hidden it in matara nebula [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► when we're back on earth we see Captain [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► Kirk making out with a couple of cat [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► ladies and as you do and it when you go [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► back when you watch this again sometime [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► the beginning of that scene I i could it [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► could be saurian brandy or something but [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► it looks kinda like there's a space bong [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► in that apartment i'm just saying watch [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► for it all bonds are spaced think there [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► might be a space planning i don't know [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► i'm not i'm not a I'm not a recreational [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► drug user but I'm just saying [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► are you a space mark there may be a [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► spaceport in the cat girl's apartment or [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► Kirk's or current Sparx you lit up it's [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► an artifact of cultural significance to [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► her race pace yeah totally insensitive [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► sorry catgirls sorry half-naked cat [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► ladies 98% naked cat ladies let's let's [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► see the the death theme starts with the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► his argument with Pike where where Kirk [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► is arrogant and says how many died that [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► 1i didn't lose one person nobody dies [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► today is that's really a do we skip over [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► it or is it subsequently the Mickey [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► Mickey kills much people [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► yeah I think that's it was coming up [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► this week I think that's next right I [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► thought it was right after the show [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► Mickey Mickey from my also the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► cumberbatch fans next to me when he came [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► on-screen they're like it's Mickey like [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► to start laughing and i said that i said [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► we put on weight [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► well it's there was 10 years ago the key [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► from from from Doctor Who and said it [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► was daughter is dying and Benedict [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► Cumberbatch comes to him and here's your [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► self-sacrifice again you know he will he [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► will save his daughter in exchange for [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► him but you know sacrificing himself and [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► his honor and blowing up the the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► Starfleet facility and he takes the deal [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► here's the thing about that that segment [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► of the movie because when I was this one [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► early on the movie when I all my [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► critical thinking was still engaged and [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► i was thinking like this this plotline [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► of this guy who's going to do this thing [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► is basically gonna be a pawn of content [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► to fulfill this part of the pot there's [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► not room in this movie for you to [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► actually do that so the way they chose [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► to fit in was to almost do it is like a [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► silent movie where there's almost no [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► dialogue like Mickey is there is great [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► music healing and Mickey right but like [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► they basically did it like they said [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► look we have enough time like three [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► lines there's no way we can come up with [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► three lines that do [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► nothing but cause damage this so let's [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► just play it like a silent movie show [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► him show the six dollars shows just have [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► you know two lines with him and con and [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► it it's the like I don't know if it [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► worked that well even in the silent mode [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► but I applaud them for finding a [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► creative solution to getting these plot [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► points and not exercising that plotline [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► entirely because i was another option [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► because you got a whole lot about the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► movie to fit in here but to have it in [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► there and still have to be affecting and [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► moving and interesting and exciting when [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► the little ring blows up and all that [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► stuff with almost no dialogue it was it [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► was kinda like the opening section on up [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► you know with no speaking part i was [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► thinking it's almost a montage to music [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► and i agree i tanned in Jason mentioned [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► the music there and I know a couple [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► people were mentioned on twitter before [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► we start talking about this that they [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► want to talk about the music i will say [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► that that q is very it's very unlike the [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► rest of the music from this movie or the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► previous yes you get this piano you soft [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► piano music playing and yet it's [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► incredibly effective if for what it is [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► and it's one of the cues that stands out [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► more to me in this movie much as I like [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► a lot of the cno's work for the score is [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► pretty good especially some of the main [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► themes but I'm sort of mixed on his work [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► overall yeah he he this is i read a [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► review of the the inductor soundtrack [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► but said it's like the expansion pack [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► for the original soundtrack and that's [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► about right right i mean it's he's gonna [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► go use his themes that he already had [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► and he's added some some more in and I [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► you know I bought the soundtrack and I [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► like it but it is in some ways it's much [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► more than saying it's hampering some [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► ways by the same also by the problem [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► with the original which was that if you [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► bought the original soundtrack there was [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► actually that deluxe edition i think ben [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► boychuk actually turned me on to that [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► was there was like a double disc version [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► which is much better because it's [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► actually flushed out rather than being [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► these vary at times random and [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► disjointed Q's right but overall I mean [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► he doesn't really hold up if you put him [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► up against someone to me like John [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► Williams where you can listen to a john [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► williams sku in a vacuum and it's a [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► fantastic piece of music whether or not [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► it's applied to film where is the sequel [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► like there's no Imperial March in this [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► movie like it you know follow up the [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► soundtrack to star wars with a [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► soundtrack that has some song is iconic [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► the imperial march like that's a tall [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► order and I think he's doing well to [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► have like the first movie I think he's [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► landed solidly on both feet with a theme [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► that was both like a recognizable star [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► trek but not simply a restatement of the [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► original song and that you know that [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► segues into it in the end is your little [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► reward and they just continue that in a [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► competent manner in this movie i think [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► is a reasonable achievement and it may [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► be too much to ask for him to like me to [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► do throw another amazing song in their [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► out of nowhere most star trek movie [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► scores have found a you know their take [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► on a Star Trek theme and then when [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► they've done other Star Trek movies they [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► use that again that was true with with [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► your Goldsmith and was true with James [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► Horner and and you know that's sort of [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► been how they do it [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► yes so some nice work but overall maybe [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► not that it does a great supporting job [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► yeah I like the I like a Star Trek theme [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► a lot like oh yeah i agree we're here is [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► the best part of it [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► yeah I i love how his Star Trek theme [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► weaves in and out of the original theme [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► yes and it I mean it just fits and I [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► liked hearing that here too [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► I and again i might think the original [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► film had a better score but i just love [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► how they weave in and out of each other [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► yeah i mean pic yeah I was a big demand [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► yeah I mentioned uh that this i think a [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► proposal absolute two or three whatever [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► the one we did with Ben was own moves [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► that movie scores that actually Star [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► Trek the motion picture [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► despite being kind of a terrible [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► invisible movie The Times has a [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► fantastic sore because it's your goals [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► with who is too is a master and this to [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► me if you put these two things exchequer [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► I'd say well i really like to quino's [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► theme but a goldsmith i would have to [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► give props and just like every every [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► piece on that works so well even if you [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► don't care about the movie like you can [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► I listen to that score sometimes and of [TS]