141: Tony Stark Wants the Credit
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the incomparable number 141 may2013
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looking back to being comfortable
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podcast I'm your host Jason still and
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we're here to talk about something at
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that's actually kind of current which is
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not like me at all because since my
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children were born I've essentially not
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seen any movies but I managed to get out
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and see iron man 3 in the theater and in
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addition to that I hope to talk about
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the efforts to iron man movies as well
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and maybe iron man in general who knows
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where we'll go with my wonderful panel
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of guests joining me to talk about Tony
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Stark and Iron Man and although all the
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things in between are the things between
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Jarvis yes is my own personal Jarvis got
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Mykelti hi Scott
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hello Jason just say I have five percent
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battery that's what you want this does I
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was trying to think of something that I
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could say as Jarvis and all i had was
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hello Jason
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that's ok that works too you have five
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percent battery Tony your batteries are
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very low please charge my batteries also
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joining me is nobody's Jarvis it's the
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great Lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa
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nobody's Jarvis what nobody's Jarvis
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your no Gervais you will not be serviced
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I don't know what it means i'm just
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waking up with the half while I'm here
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hi guys thank you it's you i'm glad that
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you're here you're nobody service
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I don't want to be a journalist I
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computerized AI servant that's no good
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at scotts job Andy a newcomer to the
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incomparable the heat comes from canada
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where iron man is known by his generally
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is called iron man it's it's guy English
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I good to be here iron man 3 came out we
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saw it I everybody saw it right we're
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not gonna yep alright that's the one set
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the Jazz Age right Richard on it
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that's right there's a hip-hop
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soundtrack with a season and everybody
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is screaming and screaming the great
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Tony yeah that's great that's pretty
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much it so the I guess we should file a
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fire off the spoiler horn because we're
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going to talk about what's in the movie
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and there's actually a gigantic spoiler
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that I think the media did a pretty good
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job of not revealing I had no idea going
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into it that that it was going to come
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to pass but we're gonna fire off the
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over here because we are going to
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actually talk about everything that
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happens in the movie so
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alright so iron man 3 I obviously these
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remember the original iron man came out
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it was a people kind of skeptical like
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Oh they've they've sunk to this when
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they run out of all the good heroes and
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now they've got these third-rate heroes
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that nobody's ever heard of iron man was
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always kind of more of a he was
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important in the marvel comics but he
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was never really never broke through to
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the wider world in a way like like
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spider-man did I mean that's the best
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example of the x-men I think he's kind
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of a low-rent Batman kind of well right
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because he's a rich guy and he's got his
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he doesn't have powers but he uses his
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his money and his smarts to make kind of
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like technology to help him be a hero
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but he's he is kind of a Batman analog
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in a lot of ways I think he's marvelous
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Batman right so I would definitely say
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so yeah yeah but people that people
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didn't know him and so it was a surprise
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i think when the first iron man movie
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came out and it was a gigantic it was
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actually the same year that the Dark
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Knight came out and it was a it was a
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huge hit it was very successful and
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people were quite surprised i think a
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lot of it has to do with robert downey
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jr who I think is about
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I mean I guess tied with JK Simmons is
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jonah Jameson for the best comic book
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movie casting ever but what a what a
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huge asset to have somebody like Robert
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Downey jr. as you're lead-in these
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movies because I you know
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Iron Man I guess in the hands of a
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boring actor would probably be kind of
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boring but Robert Downey jr. is not a
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boring actor
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yes the natural swagger that's required
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for the goal yeah Tony Stark is it you
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know he's a rich guy he's got an
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attitude he's arrogant he's brilliant
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but he's kind of a jerk and he's got
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that playboy thing going on which again
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is that there's your Batman analog right
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because Bruce Wayne is supposed to be
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well the difference is that Bruce Wayne
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pretends to be a plate with Tony Stark
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oh yeah yeah exactly one of my favorite
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Marvel iterations on our man is actually
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the one ultimate swear they do a job
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just making him drunk and faster and and
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and basically a very very dangerous
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savant the opposite visit because and I
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think in some ways that the ultimate
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iron man was used as a model for the
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sure it did pretty good did pretty dated
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and other than other than the fatal
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brain tumor
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now they didn't know god no don't
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suppose I i prefer not to talk about the
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brain tumor or the fact that he's now
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baby talk he talks to the brain tumor
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know well and the brain tumor now talk
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to technology psychic like that's the
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thing that with a brain tumor
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yeah I have no idea what you're talking
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about okay good all good for the best
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guys on comics you don't need to know
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it's I'm sorry I know and but that's the
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great thing about Tony Stark right is
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that he is he is all of that and so in
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that in that movie what I think took the
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one it's nice to have a superhero is not
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particularly tortured about his morals
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yeah haha because you have to get like
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an Ironman one he was tortured for about
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five minutes and he's all effin I'm out
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of the amount of the missiles business
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i'm on privatizing world peace and like
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he doesn't step and banging his head
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into wall
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sobbing about his dead parents or
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whether or not the lab partners are
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gonna know he's just like full speed
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ahead i've committed and and it's
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refreshing at the end of that movie too
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there's that moment that is also spoiler
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alert at the end of the movie where he
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says an Ironman spoiler spoiler nice
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turkey iron man that's great because
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that completely supports the whole
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superhero identity things like that I'm
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gonna win us know who I don't care down
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Tony Stark doesn't care
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Tony Stark wants the credit is good
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because if you were a genius who has a
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nifty flying suit and you can shoot
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things out of it and and you're
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basically untouchable inside your
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tin-can why would you need the fake
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identity
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yeah this is where we get into iron man
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3 I guess because yeah that was a short
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such decision
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I have so many complaints well and and
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bear in mind I i should add first I
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really enjoyed the movie like I went to
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see you thursday after trying it for
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jeopardy and I went and I got into my
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popcorn and I settled in and I watched
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previews all of which were sequels
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oh my grandmas equals the others like
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review which we could do a whole episode
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about the previews to iron man before
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iron man 3 because that was I felt like
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I was being pummeled by the movie
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industry like the movie industry had
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grabbed me by my shirt and pick me up
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and was starting to just punch me in the
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face it was like loud and cgi are the
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new words for good
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um so but you know I i enjoyed the movie
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but I the whole time I was watching it
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if it hadn't been for the fact there
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were two other people in the theater I
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think feeling I would have talked the
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whole way through it and we have no but
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they were there were actually two other
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people and we didn't want to be the
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jerks and so we just kind of but tony
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stark would have talked to the movie he
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will let me watch you would have been
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watching it by himself a lion I i I'm
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not as intelligent as loaded as time
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starts so I two things for beginners
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yeah Tony Stark's loaded into ways to
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because he's alone he's got lots of
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money and he's also drunk but to get him
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like when he has that scene in iron man
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3 where he walks out of the hospital
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he's learning Mandarin come at me here's
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my address and that's why I thought to
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myself all right all of iron man two was
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about how shield was infiltrating his
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company because they want to make sure
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that he wasn't permanently you know
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bonkers and you're telling me that this
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movie which takes place after the
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vendors Avengers features a guy who has
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stared into the void of the wormhole and
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battled an alien race and eat shawarma
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with a green Range machine and a Norse
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God and a guy who's on ice for 70 years
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you're telling me they're like oh well
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we're not really interested in you
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anymore so we haven't you know the you
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tell me that she wasn't keeping track on
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his mental health you're telling me that
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shield have didn't immediately like sent
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a helicopter out there that the near
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total absence of shield like the name
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check them was all I had to do shields
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databases and that was like yeah and and
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I thought after our men to wear Tony
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couldn't you know grind on a chippy
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without scarlett johansson taking a
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notice like you're going to tell me that
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threaten well-liked did the events this
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movie take place while samuel jackson
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and the rest of the
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most of the shield people were at
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sandals for the end-of-the-year retreat
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like what happened they were there
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they're building the rebuilding their
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broken health carriers just makes no
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sense to choose one coupon you've got
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this global intelligence organization
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that apparently decided like once Tony
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Stark fell back from the sky always okay
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we don't need to keep an eye on him
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anymore
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nevermind these six super-powered people
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who who who were able to you know level
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alien technologies
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oh why should we care what they're up to
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no I think there's gonna have to get
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their heads together
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yeah yeah it's goofy bit to be fair that
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happens in the comics yeah like you know
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he's peeing on the Avengers forever and
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yeah we have you took it seriously
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there were literally not be any comics
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other than the Avengers right because
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why would you ever work on your own you
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would just work with the review of
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constraints of the universe however
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loosely they haven't this guys having
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PTSD from what's going on right if you
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have Bruce Banner fall asleep to his
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monologue in that movie
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yeah you know which totally feels like
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fanservice by the way I'm like I don't
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see how the house how's the post-credit
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sequence ever not fanservice like why
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don't they just have an explanation
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early on board Jarvis is like well once
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into my whimpering Lackey director fury
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has eight calls into you want to answer
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them in hand and have F Tony Stark seem
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like a little thing so and then that
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explains he's pushing everybody away
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instead of oh they just been magicked
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away i guess.i guess although I guess my
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argument would be yes the same argument
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that that my wife and I have about
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could insert dialogue that explains it
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away but it's not going to necessarily
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be that fulfilling I guess it does check
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a box and you can be like okay good day
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they explained away shield so now we can
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proceed with the movie and if I if I
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analyze it
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I mean there are a few points in this
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movie we're like hey Tony down on your
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luck you could leave a message on your
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helmet for your girlfriend or you could
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call you know the Hulk right now I'm
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just gonna leave a message for my
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girlfriend I don't really want to get
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anybody else involved at the same time
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it does feel a little bit like being
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obsessed about the continuity and i
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kinda like let it go and it's like well
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you know the extra he knows it's his
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movie this is exactly
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it's an iron and I don't want other
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people in my movie but you know what
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you're telling me about that whole thing
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pepper puts on the math like okay her
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home has just been blown up she's the
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CEO of a major corporation with a
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multi-billion dollar market cap she's on
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the cover of forbes magazine
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you're telling me that while a billion
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people are swimming around trying to
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figure out what the hell just happened
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to that futuristic house no one is going
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to notice the CEO of a major corporation
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just kind of you know standing on the
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edge of a cliff completely unprotected
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with it with a Bushwhacker look on her
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face like there's no panic room that I
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can't believe there was no panic room
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that he didn't just immediately shove
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her into I think panic room went into
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the sea because it's really a little
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that's probable that's true that the the
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little suits let our download suits are
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more important than the girlfriend let's
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be clear about this suit bolts must be
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maintained
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no girls allowed because by the movies
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like all this is what I've been doing
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what I can't sleep I'm you know super
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prepared for any eventuality I'm like
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you obviously weren't prepared for the
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eventual anywhere like your house gets
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blown up with your girlfriend in it
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because and also I mean everyone
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probably knows where Tony Stark lose its
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like you can figure out where Larry
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Ellison lives so it's not really all
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that if I want to know where he lives
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like a blow him up right I do i do like
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that moment that I love that Tony
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Stark's just mouthing off to a again
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this is this two levels were on one
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level the feeling of it i love and then
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there's the logic of it that I go yeah
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okay huh
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because it's like I love Tony Stark
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mouthing off to the Mandarin and be like
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a big terrorist guy here's my home
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address at the same time I don't suspect
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that the Mandarin is out there going I
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wish I knew where Tony Stark's does
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anybody have a copy of the white pages
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not happened as Google Maps work your
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technology is Western and confound air
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is a stop a star maps that's like we
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will take you on a tour of Tony Stark's
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neighborhood right you know that that is
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the case
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iron man was staying out of it though so
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he didn't really he wasn't bringing
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himself into it until he decided hey man
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come get me you are now on my radar so
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you could explain it away that way right
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that the measure it wasn't concerned
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about yeah I man because Iran was doing
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anything anyway so right manner it's
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like I know your address already and
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that's not the point the point is you've
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made you call me out here in my gps yeah
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so I'm going to get you now because you
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mentioned me
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exactly you mentioned the mandarin i
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blow up your house
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yes whatever the Mandarin is accepting
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who she is but yeah yeah so big ben
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kingsley can we talk about Ben Kingsley
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oh god that was funny i think I i think
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this is one of the funniest and best
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surprises I've had a movie in a long
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time which is when I i had several
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points I was like is he real
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is he real and there's a scene that they
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set it up where he cut kinda comes in
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and says well what are we waiting for
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and you're like oh the master is coming
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we must oh yes the master and he swoops
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in and I thought maybe he is real and
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then of course it is revealed
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I already blew the spoiler horn so get
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your own damn fault that he's an actor
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being paid to be the Mandarin and he's
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actually kind of like a stoner out of
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luck English actor named Trevor who has
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been fun things on the street that no
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man should have to do
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who says that he's been told that that
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it's all an act except the you know the
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metroid like shot he shoots a guy in the
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head or basically at one point on TV was
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he told those for special effects I
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trevor is not the sharpest tool in the
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shed again Trevor's not so trustworthy
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so I have a feeling tremors just lying
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and saying you're silly stark wants to
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hear everything go here it was
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delightful that was just such a nice
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nice subversion of the the usual
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mastermind thing I actually expected him
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to to fit to flip back like he was to
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trick them into thinking this guy only
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to revert to being oh yeah I didn't you
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maniacal billion master my kept waiting
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for that too i was like when is it going
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to happen what's gonna happen but they
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it and I think they knew I think the
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script actually has a few moments when
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they're in miami in that compound where
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they have him do increasingly outrageous
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things specifically so that you're like
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okay this is really just this guy you
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know he's he's played so much for last
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because I kept waiting for that double
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back to was like no this is all it my
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game to make you think I was an actor no
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he's just a nun you know unemployed
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actor there is a bit of foreshadowing
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that where they explain what management
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means they think they say it means the
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Chinese word for somebody who serves the
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King servant of the Kings on something
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like that i forget the exact thing
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ok yeah that good I thought about that
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afterwards where I just probably a lot
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of hints that you know he's not going to
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turn out to be the guy you think he is
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yeah but so so good and kingsley you
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know he does a lot of these you know
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paycheck movies right where he is where
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he's in it you know he's a heavy and he
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and everyone god no right but that's
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alright and this one it's nice because
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because he's got that spin on it that
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just take I mean it's just so funny that
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he's getting his got actually got this
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English accent and it's yeah it's I was
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so nervous about that character is a
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it's a goofy character
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yeah be kinda racist yeah a little bit
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yet but it was so over-the-top in the
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previews
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yeah that was wondering how the hell
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that was all going to fit together so i
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think that they did a really good job
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well the mandarin no mandarin is a
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legendary and I feel like Scott said
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kind of raisins kinda a little character
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from the Iron Man comics but you know
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which were very you know when they
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started that is very cold war kind of
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comic and that and the and I think you
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know it was a Korean War post Korean
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war-era so you know Chinese mysticism
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and the ten rings of power and all of
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that and there was always that question
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like how do you do that because that's
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the that's the Iron Man's like that's
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his big enemy right i mean this is a
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character from the comics that although
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he's sort of interesting he doesn't
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really have a great rogue's gallery and
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and there was the Mandarin they're like
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how great are one rogues gallery guy and
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he's a horrible racist stereotype what
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do we do so in the in the first ironman
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they're like their references to the
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Mandarin and the rings of power but it's
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all just kind of like pushed to the back
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and they took a bunch of that out i
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guess when they were when they were
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shooting it they they they dialed it
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down in here terrorist group is called
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the ten rings yeah 10 rings and and
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that's about all you say so here we see
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the Mandarin and they're like how are
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they going to handle this and they have
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him they haven't become a generic and he
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speaks with an American accent which I
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actually thought was really creepy it's
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like what if Osama bin Laden was doing
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these terrorists video speaking in
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American English clear American accents
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like it's that's really kind of
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disconcerting and creepy and then uh and
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then they subvert the whole thing which
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is kind of brilliant because i think
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that's about all they could do in some
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ways with the Mandarin
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he's not to really do the Mandarin is
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not something you can do in the modern
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day because that's just such a kind of
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weird and racist character so they did
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the right thing i think i would guess
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what I Pierce is the actual power behind
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the the the face and I do love that this
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movie talks about the media you know use
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of the media by terrorists and and
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another group so I think that's a really
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nice little bit that they have this we
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spent some time in the TV studio and
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they've got a logo and they've got all
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this stuff and then you discover that
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it's really it's so well produced that
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even the guy it is an actor but behind
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behind that is guy pearce who we we
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first meet in this interesting flashback
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essentially to 1999 in Switzerland where
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Tony Stark speaking speaking at a
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conference we get a little cameo by
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inson who's the guy who helps them build
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the armor in the first movie which was
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really nice he dies immediately and
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movies like hey he said that he met him
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once right Mary was that was really nice
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and then there's then and then he also
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meets Guy Pearce who is channeling john
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grise role as last little holy felled
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from real genius in his first he was not
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the suavity is all the suavity of Laszlo
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be as well he's the last know who's
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excited about entering the frito-lay
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sweepstakes and as often as you like so
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i have right that's that's that guy and
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I'm saying is that last low know it's
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guy pearce playing Laszlo who to get
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stony in an elevator and says I've got
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this great invention and tony is too
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much focused on the girl scientists
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woman very talented but he's really
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focused on getting her into his hotel
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he's not terribly interested in her big
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know he knows how to pick them right so
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so in the end what we find out is that
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the guy pearce has gone on some sort of
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program it turns out he's gone like a
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crazy biotech program where he's turned
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into this super suave kind of guy who's
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actually got extremist nanobots or
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whatever they are in his body
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and he's the evil genius behind the
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movie with so i guess the lesson here is
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if some nerdy guy who looks like Lassa
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Lassa from real genius corners you in an
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elevator in Switzerland don't tell him
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that you'll meet him on the roof and
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then not show because he'll be mad and
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he'll hold a grudge
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this could have all been prevented
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really just go to the roof
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Tony which is five min heart and say I'm
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calling you call him take his call he
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takes his card thank you cards takes you
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into the but then he gives them away he
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does the douche move there is a glossy
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and five minutes and then hold them up i
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think if you just taking the cards and
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like look obviously I have my hands full
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I'll have my people call your people you
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because you have no people but yeah
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oh don't call you that one of the movie
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that's true that's true and guy pearce
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would not have become mr. extremist at
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the rebecca hall character was pretty
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into extremist to begin with so she
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would have hooked up with somebody
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that's true and she she had I've got
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this great technology when plants
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explode
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re the spontaneous combustion of plants
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where we're okay um yeah but what I want
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to know is he apparently so he
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apparently solves this you know he
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solves the problem that causes a
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spontaneous combustion like you get the
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illusion that he halfway solved it in a
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hungover Hayes back in 1999 / 2010 he
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solves it for real what he's got
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motivation with pepper and I thought you
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know we always think there's always this
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big deal being made in the Marvel vs.
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that Hank Pym is is kind of a number two
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and in terms of intellect and there are
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plenty of other smart guys you're
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telling me that she couldn't have found
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another guy 2222 monkey with this
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weather especially since they still own
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the rights to that she couldn't it would
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have been nice if they had mentioned in
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passing well I gave it to pin but it was
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useless all he came out of it was an
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ability to control amps you know that
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denies nice toss away i think i liked
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his company was a more advanced idea
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mechanics yeah oh yeah that was a big ol
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he that's a nice comic yeah shout out
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like to get to have a name without
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having MODOK and those guys with at the
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crazy hands is just that it's kind of a
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yeah that's good he said Noah and it's
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the rolling their eyes like OMG sure
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whatever ya advanced idea mechanics my
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acronym yeah good
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that's nice for you yes you've got an
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acronym
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how great for you so so i liked i really
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like the first like 90 minutes of this
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movie I I i like the beginning with the
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you know we had a flashback and then we
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get the we have the the attacks and and
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we get the the attack on his house and
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we get him ending up in Tennessee
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talking to the kid and there's some
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really nice stuff i mean obviously in
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the middle of this movie the whole he
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gets out of the suit for a long period
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of time and clearly what this movie is
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saying is tony is more interesting than
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the cgi armor which i think is a good
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call i think that was the problem number
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two is it was a lot of robert downey jr
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staring at the screen inside the Machine
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and Allah GI it was really boring
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well and at the end and number and and
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the first 12 I mean anytime we're at CGI
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monster vs cgi hero and it's like you
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might as well be watching a video game
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this is also my problem with them the
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first spider-man movie the Sam Raimi's
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spider-man movie is the end the end
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confrontation is between spider-man
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wearing his mask and the Green Goblin
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wearing his little like Power Rangers
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mask and you it and they might as well
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be you know it you're watching an
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episode of Power Rangers you can't see
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their mouths moving it's just there's
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nothing there so here they get out of
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the suit and they make input and they
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put him in danger where he has to use
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his intelligence which we've been told
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he's really brilliant right to figure
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out how to get out of it and I thought
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that was a great decision i thought that
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was really smart
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yeah I mean there's maybe 45 minutes
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over MacGyver episode like that movie
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Tony Stark mechanical genius right
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you know the mechanic mechanic again
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like the you know the classic let's make
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the gas tank explode and I just say I
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liked I liked him using his words to
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write vaidya extremist soldiers
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yeah although Tennessee there was like
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one person with a southern accent and
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Tennessee which was that was crazy but i
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like that i like i like the kid which he
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meets he meets a Harley who's the kid
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who will wear it never gets it like it's
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right on the precipice of being that
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really treacly oh you know he learns how
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to open it hard for the child and all
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that and they don't go there they don't
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don't go over the edge right didn't you
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it's like you can tell that he does
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really love the kid i'm cold you know i
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do that work and yeah yeah yeah very
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that's all good and I like the action
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sequence in the in the the whatever is
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the diner or the restaurant or something
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where there's that with the extremist
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agents come in and he's trying to figure
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out how to you know again MacGyver it
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you're exactly right he's like wow how
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can i go i can blow them up using this
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and and and makes it all i'm gonna open
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up the gas main and they're gonna ignite
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it and all of that and I really I really
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I liked all of that because the whole
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point there is that this is supposed to
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be about Tony and not about the suit and
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and right and you got Robert Downey jr.
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and obviously Shane Black who co-wrote
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the screenplay and directed the movie
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and directed Downey and kiss kiss bang
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bang which is a with get val kilmer
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which is a great movie by the way I
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don't know if you guys yes love that
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great movie
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oh yes and so he knows to get down out
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of it to get down out of this cgi shell
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and have downey be running around
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himself because he's he's great and so
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the script does that and and i love that
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I love the whole bit in tennessee i love
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that he's he's almost immediately made
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vulnerable because you know Tony being
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kind of a jerk and this rich playboy guy
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or in this case being a shut-in who's
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freaked out about the adventures avenges
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made a billion dollars i don't know what
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I do next
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I'm just gonna stay down here and
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they're gonna have to come and get me
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for the next movie is basically what
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he's doing down there but you get amount
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of that and then and then suddenly it's
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surprising in how good it is being him
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you know the adventures of Tony Stark
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guy without a guy without a suit
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basically did anybody else find it to
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post-traumatic stress stuff a little bit
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weird like it kind of comes out of
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nowhere and it kind of goes nowhere last
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time we saw him he was just having sure
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man he was fine yeah but he didn't seem
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that battle that during that movie I
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don't know since he spent a lot of iron
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man two being kind of a jerk for aught
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account of the palladium poisoning
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it seems like they were putting down the
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seeds for Tony Stark perhaps not your
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most emotional adjusted superhero
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sure and the fact that the wormhole
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appears to be his trigger in this 1i I
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think what we're supposed to take away
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from that is he has finally run into
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something he can't out think or out talk
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his way around and it has freedom right
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the eff out it's not the Norse God who
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does it it's not the rage monster or or
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the cry or the cryogenic fossil he works
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with it yes something about that woman
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would just flip them out
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yeah yeah because it warps space and
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time and he's seeing things no
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management to see eccentric cetera
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well anyway he did have a nuclear
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warhead that he was carrying and almost
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got blown up by a circulator don't know
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I agree that i would be featured a trip
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yeah i think the reason you gotta show
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this is the same reason is the same
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reason you do anything along that line
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I remember one time I had I had foot
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surgery where we arrange the bones of my
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toes and the first thing i did
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afterwards go get a blizzard from Dairy
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Queen and it wasn't until I got home
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that it really hit me that holy crap
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pardon my language i just watched my
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that the bones inside my toes get
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rearranged and that's when the shit
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that's when the shaking the freaking out
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happened and I think this was kind of on
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the same scale where you have the
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shawarma you're like so that was a thing
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and ya then ya once once you know Thor
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takes his brother back to to Asgard for
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whatever the equivalent of juvenile
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detention is that happens that that's
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when you finally realize that wow that
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was a thing that just happened and I
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can't make any of that up and oh my god
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this trip and Tony Stark has never he's
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not like a superheroic generally like
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you don't have the right guy is coming
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out to America and Hulk is just about
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the break things as long as a god and
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the other people who were really a movie
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right there there there preying on his
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altar stated that paid very well yeah
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exactly so you know he is fragile and
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he's not he's not expecting this kind of
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thing and it's like I bought it and I
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thought it was really interesting kind
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of obviously made him vulnerable and
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really highlight the fact that he's just
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a guy in a suit so you know he's he's
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just like us
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so he's a believer yeah yeah really
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small but steady the poor billionaire
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genius it i didn't see it was off itself
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like the the last thing we hear about it
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is a roadie says here right before they
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attack on the extremist guys at the
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docks write the book of allah in the cop
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my good buddy movie in thing yeah that
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laser weapon let's just say it's likely
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lethal weapon comes back boxtrolls are
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you getting too old for this stuff
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yeah that's the difference also don
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cheadle those movies like he shows up in
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that flawlessly iron polo shirt and it's
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just adorable because it's like a look
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at San LOL being catalog model come to
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jackson tension on the side of the neck
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I love don cheadle watchman pretty much
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of the PTSD stuff right is Brody turns
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to him and says I hope you don't freak
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out and Tony says me too and then guess
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what no more freaked out you know insane
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stuffs happening but then at the the
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end-credit Peggy he's talking to his
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face Bruce batteries like you know about
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all these issues so one can imagine that
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he still work having yeah but he had to
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he overcame it because he wanted to save
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pepper potts but he's talking about it
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now right
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he's working through it worse before he
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was like curled up in a ball in his
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basement building soon as building suit
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a suit for a rainy day but what I do
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wonder is if Bruce Banner rather Mark
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Ruffalo's performance that Bruce Banner
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hadn't been the big breakout surprise
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over this movie if they had been like
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wow that back to play store bought some
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gravitas and tragedy if it wouldn't be
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him like you know having some sort of
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Asgardian phone call with Thor while
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Thor eats a turkey leg and truly tony
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was frightening
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um some meat and Jamie have some meat
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will be better
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well I i think one of the highlights for
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me of the Avengers was that relationship
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between them that they really was like
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Tony's gravitating toward the the you
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know it's like hey here's a guy who's
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you know another smart guy and he's got
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issues and I've got issues in the end
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they had that kind of thing I mean the
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end up like driving off together so you
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get the sense that the Powell so it's
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like a nice i thought it was the right
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payback
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you better pay off from the adventures
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of like of course they're buddies we saw
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that they were gonna be buddies there
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buddy easy accepted but he's not don't
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be in my movie just be after the credits
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i want to talk to you about when i'm
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done with my movies don't help me during
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my movie Iron Man and honk right i just
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watch that again last night actually no
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actually I watched every single minute
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of the road energy and playing Iron Man
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yesterday huh
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this preparation yeah i did my did my
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research on so yeah I'd love that the
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interaction between banner and stark
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this project it's good it's it's it's a
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good place to have a long working
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history too because they made that movie
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about the Zodiac killer together and I
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want to see there's something else they
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did I Ruffalo and down
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yeah yeah Ruffalo and Danny work
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together before so i think that they
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kind of were like okay let's play with
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this is how we're gonna do it and both
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of them like their energies are couple
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complimentary if that makes sense you
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know so that the part of this movie that
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i didn't really love is um is that last
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action set piece on the oil tanker all
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of that the deus ex the deus ex machina
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literally yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got
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some suits he does have 45 suits all I
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could think was hello action think it's
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like the obligatory is true action
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climax so they do try to keep him out of
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the suit for a lot of it handily jumping
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in to suit the suit gets blown up but he
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jumps out of it may be just another suit
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but it's hard to follow and it it's
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kinda it feels tacked on right it's like
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why are they there and why is the
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president string of diamonds the large
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and nights in the armor and it for
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because they're gonna show him on TV I
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mean it just it that that's where again
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i like this movie i would i would say I
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i really enjoyed watching this movie
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that would be my big criticism of it is
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that last thing it felt like somebody
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said look it you're a big summer action
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tentpole you have to have a blowout cgi
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fight scene at the end and I would
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almost rather it been like a smaller
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scale showdown with the guy pearce and
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the other extremist people rather than I
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mean it's cool to have like 40 Iron Man
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armors flying around but it's hard to
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track like a nice idea but on the screen
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it's like I don't know what i'm watching
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and what you're just gonna have to buy
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all of the action figures because i'm
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pretty sure there's gonna be one sure
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single one where you can find out how
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this is all 23 years for hands well more
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than 25 exactly at and in a movie that
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was really all about the human scale
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that was also the really during thing
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about it is in the end there's this
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thing that has no human scale at all
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then I guess what happens with Gwyneth
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Paltrow which which i kinda like that
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she got fed with the extremist stuff and
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so she phoned the oh well i like i like
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that she popped fell into the pit and
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then comes back out and have a
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conversation with Tony really what I'm I
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just because I dropped into the the
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fiery pit you thought I was dead i got
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the stuff in me at least that was human
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I guess is what I'm saying I'm not sure
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I like that the fact that guy Pearce's
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injecting her with extremist and all of
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that but it was fine but that was like
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at least that was human scale the rest
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of it was just robots flying around and
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the group there's another robot okay and
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he just didn't that that was it was let
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down i didn't make me not like the movie
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but it was like an unnecessary just like
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like you had three or four desserts and
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somebody said never escape like I don't
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need me cake sorry i say more robot cake
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not only did was there are so many
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robots and so much more suits and stuff
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going on you couldn't follow the battle
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we don't like the reason the Star Wars
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battles generally work as you can kind
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of well not the not the people's
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business division in the original ones
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like this like that so yeah so I don't
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want to get the story i'll try to avoid
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this is my first time on the show I got
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a touchdown ever wanna talk about Doctor
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Who in a minute okay around its that you
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know the trench run makes sense you can
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you can kind of tell it's happening with
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this battle
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no idea I have no idea what's happening
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yeah so having all those things just
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flying around an exploding the
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background it it made the trains
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unreadable to me it's a direction it's a
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director thing and I got to say one of
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the things i think the joss whedon did a
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good job in the Avengers and somebody
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would only directed one feature film
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before is that the action is
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understandable I I realize it may not be
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logical that they're sort of like the
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guys on gliders doing laps in New York
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and their the whales that are doing laps
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in New York and but you kind of know
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where everybody is and why they're doing
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what they're doing and it went when you
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can't express that as a director your
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audience gets confused and that happened
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in this just like in a in the dark
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knight actually whether those scenes
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where he's got like where Batman's got
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his like radar vision and there's like
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the dark the and there's like the dark
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missed our office tower that's got guys
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in it and i SAT there for 20 minutes
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going i had no idea what I'm even
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looking at here it's just like fighting
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and blowing up and I I where are we why
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are we here now it's going to sweat it
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the hostages have been swamped with yeah
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exactly exactly
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it's really beautiful it's just bad i
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mean it's like bad action directing and
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I know that's kind of obscure but it's
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like you're making an action movie and
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like Shane Black good screenwriter did a
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good job with all the down any kind of
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level stuff then he gets to the set
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piece and it's just like there are too
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many moving parts and I don't really
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know what's going on and it kind of
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feels like it doesn't matter and yeah
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it's just yeah it's a it's like a e it
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could have been done better I i would
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argue that it didn't need to be this big
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thing but it certainly could have been
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executed better and it wasn't so it's
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like I don't know what I'm looking at it
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just wasn't ready i'm an extremist book
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his first encounter with the extremist
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guy is awesome it's like pretty just
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Toto and it's just a major beatdown
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yeah like it's like not it's it's
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country like it suits failing on the
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time like the guys eat doesn't expect
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the guy to be that powerful kind of
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stuff and it it's just really basic and
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it really works and like that and that's
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in here right it's like the his
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confrontation with Guy Pearce where he's
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melting the suit and he has to jump out
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and all that that's kind of interesting
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but it is combined with this crazy like
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a beehive swarm of of iron man suits and
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other extremist people when does it come
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out when things were getting blown up
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and there were 200 civilians there as
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well as Tony right JD number of things
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because that's the thing that I kept
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going back to his is oh oh so now he's
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ok with this is but when things were
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getting blown up and he's freaking out
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over his girlfriend possibly getting
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crushed by all the concrete and glass
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and oh by the way we just the way they
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explain that away is that it got it got
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like covered and and and there's that
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scene where they like the cream is like
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all right now we have uncovered the door
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and in the right where it's like until
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that moment the suit little secret
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panic room hatch with all the suits in
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it because again prioritize the suits
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that's the most important thing to say
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yeah is it and until that moment it's
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like a cutaway of like oh good it's now
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available
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all-access actually yeah I just to have
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a camera point I enjoyed that scene and
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that's that piece just because it was so
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ridiculous i'm going to a summer movie
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about a billionaire genius who can build
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45 suits of armor in his basement i
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expect to see every suit of armor haha
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and i did so kudos to them
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yeah but you didn't have much of it was
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just a blur it's just the execution
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right it's like it's like there's that
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thing where there's the one suit that's
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like really heavy and just kind of like
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runs and slams into you and his hammers
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on its arms and stuff it's like wow that
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was cool but it's like where did it come
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from why was it there i'd like to get
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there if it's really heavy came from
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tony's time spring yeah i know i just i
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like the idea i like the idea just the
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execution did it get fruit and sprang
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from his forehead fully far
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yeah exactly there's an iron man who is
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also a beer keg I think because Tony you
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know likes to drink so we just built one
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that's so the thing is if you if you
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read two books a lot of those suits in
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the books there did not realize this was
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based on a novel by the way
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well sorry okay really gonna be that
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snotty that's not your dirty show can
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it's not about 18th century New York
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detectives I know it's another well be
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awesome if the 18th century New York
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detective with a suit of iron the people
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that would actually be cool
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yeah that could work out yeah yeah like
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the big the big bulky suit is like a
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Hulkbuster thing that he built in 1.2
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beat up the Hulk and those variations
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that you've seen in the comics / you
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know over the blades so there's a lot of
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fan service in the shots shredded that
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assembly shot is basically offensive as
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two movies both of which were very
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successful i thought the first movie was
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great actually like it better than the
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dark knight I thought it was fun i was
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one of the most fun superhero movies
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I've ever seen
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so surprising and enjoyable and I I'd
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loved it i and i still love it that
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that's it's it's a movie that I could
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that I would take somebody who
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would not ever think that they could it
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have fun at a superhero movie and put
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them in front ya think that was pretty
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much my husband that's the litmus test
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for superhero movies what about you
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really take it so iron man 2i think not
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I you know will not show that one to
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fill in a bit first time I saw it I
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didn't like it i I've seen it since
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because my kids wanted to see at night
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it's okay but it's really just like it's
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like it's like extra scenes at the end
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of Iron Man 1 it's kind of like not I'm
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not much of a movie but my point here is
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that both of those movies and with a
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confrontation where it's like I have I
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have a suit i also have a suit
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let's fight and and I felt like an iron
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man 3 that in some ways that's what they
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were trying to get away from here is
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just that final confrontation again if
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it would just been guy Pearson robert
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downey jr and it was like biological
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technology biotech vs metal tech that
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would have been interesting would've
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been spectacular like this was but it
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would've been interesting but what they
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didn't want to do is have it literally
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be you know like metal things versus
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metal things again because they did that
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right so there they were trying to do it
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something different with the ending
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because how many times can you have a be
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metal suit versus metal suit for all the
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marbles gets gets really old
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I would have loved to see that so one of
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the reasons i like iron man so much is
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that Scott's gonna like this i'm a huge
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Captain Kirk fan
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oh and android kirat and star trek in
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the enterprise work best when the
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enterprise is totally screwed up and
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rick has to I think his way out of a
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situation you can well either ingenuity
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and I think Tony Stark and Iron Man
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works well for that because unlike other
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superheroes you can't just randomly
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disable it
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their powers right but because the Iron
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Man suit is mr. checky you know
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yeah sure you can put the tech can get
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beaten up and dysfunctional and the the
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character gets less powerful as he gets
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beaten up you know what I mean right and
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so tony has to think his way out of
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situations and I think that they could
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have they had an excellent set up in
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this movie and then it they didn't
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really pay it off because he just kept
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jumping out a suit from suit to suit and
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just the single best scene in iron man
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two is where Tony is completely helpless
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being attacked by Mickey work with his
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crazy whips right yeah
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and a resume and they run and he's
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trying to get away in the the race car
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gets cut in half and all of that and
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then made a he ends up with his little
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suitcase suit and he puts it on and he
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and even then he should be barely makes
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it out but that's a great scene and it's
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a great scene because of that exact
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thing which is that it's not you know
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he--he's in a position of weakness
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he's not exactly what Superman you have
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to have like kryptonite or something
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like that with tony stark it's just like
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oh crap but my suit isn't working or I
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don't have my suit and that's what I
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think that's what I hate it like putting
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on the suit takes planning right takes a
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bit of time it takes some planning and
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that's what I hate about this just added
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to the comic books now too but this
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well the last one saw wherever he is
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this is to pursue pieces will just
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either come out of him or just fly at
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him and yeah it takes away some of the
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danger of being Tony rhetoric and some
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of the interesting controllability of
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the pigs
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thank you in this example back in the
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old Superfriends comics batman the money
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to pay his utility belt he was host and
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that this is sort of that could this is
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sort of the Marvel Universe equivalent
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of that take away this like Batman's
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utility belt is like I never exercised i
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have fun picking i'm talking about
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Superman you got this one right
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I can quit that you detective trying to
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be good at forget that part
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I gotta do I told you about my parents
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yeah my parents the things i like I mean
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I wrote I wrote a piece for my day job
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actually which is a little strange about
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Iron Man and the things that I learned I
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learned from it or glean from iron man 3
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and and I I touched on some of them
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which is I really like the fact that
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this is a movie about you know I'm as a
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techno superhero and yet this movie is
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actually basically saying the the person
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in the suit is important and more
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important than the technology which I
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really i like that as a theme I like
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again there's good reason for it just
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saying let's get Robert Downey jr. out
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of the suit but i like that as a message
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that that that it's about the guy and
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then also when he's in Tennessee and he
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he talks to his little kid friend about
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about who he is and he says he's a
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mechanic I like that too because it's
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it's you know at his core
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when when he is laid low by his
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post-traumatic stress disorder was Tony
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Stark do he doesn't actually descended
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into booze and girls right
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he still with pepper and he's what he
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does is he becomes like obsessively
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building things hehe is an engineer at
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his core easy
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he's a he's a playboy billionaire but
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really he's an engineer and I like that
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it's like that's who he is that's who
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Tony Stark is at the center any and and
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and he's a person and he's got these
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ideas and all this other stuff is just
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fish he's got his metal shell and he's
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got his like emotional shell of like oh
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I'm I'm quickie and i I'm I'm a
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billionaire and all that but in reality
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he's actually a guy who is that is
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happiest when he's building these stupid
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suits and i like that i thought that was
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a really nice a really nice way to
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handle that character i think it's all
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right way to approach Tony Stark
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yeah i totally agree i'm always amazed
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when they do that where it's like yes
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you you characterize this person right
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yeah i agree i think one thing is so
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when i look at the height of my German
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of this character sort of late eighties
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early nineties kind of thing he was
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amazing and building the suits and all
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that but if you needed to break into a
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computer he would have to go to one of
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his guys like he was not software this
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guy is a hardware guy he's keep watching
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literally a center yeah I mean I'm
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stomach these days you kind of have to
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make him software don't want to but but
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yeah like that it's the mechanical stuff
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is really so it gets to the heart of the
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guy like he built thank you build a
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physical things yeah that's what that's
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what that's his skill right that's a
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superpower things got a superpower is
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that he's a builder
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yeah it actually kind of bugged me that
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he figured out the extremists thing
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during a time of running it's like you
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come on ok smart but you shouldn't be
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able to fix every single red problem
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although whatever in in the comic books
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he's there you know expanded his
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character sometimes justed ultimate
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genius and if I also really like the
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fact that there's that scene where
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pepper comes home and she's welcomed by
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Iron Man and it turns out that iron man
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is is not tony and he's downstairs and
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he was offloaded the girlfriend made
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it's one of those machines yeah I love
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that because he's dad messed up
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he's that also reminds me of the opening
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of watchmen where Lori's asleep and
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John's putting the moves on her with one
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of his body duplicates will he decides
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the room right right in different room
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it's a bad move right it's like against
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the message here is don't use your
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technology to as a replacement for the
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personal touch don't do it
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that was a really nice touch and and
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then the other thing which i mentioned
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earlier that i thought was a really
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great theme from this again is is this
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is a movie about a guy who's an engineer
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he builds things they're made out of
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metal and computers and all that
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who is the best villain to have it's not
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another guy although I like jeff bridges
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in the first movie that were all right
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yeah right but it's not a guy in a metal
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suit it's it's these biotech villains
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and I think that says something about us
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that like as viewers and as people who
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are living in the 21st century
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we're kind of comfortable with computers
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and hardware computer hardware and stuff
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like that
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the scary thing the other that makes us
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kind of creeped out is the is this is
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this organic biology hacking your own
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Gino changing who you are physically
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instead of just adding we're comfortable
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like adding text to our persons but not
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to die changing our biology and that's
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what extremist is and I think that's
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really cool idea that in the movie like
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this that the ville the villains are not
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other people in metal like it the the
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danger just comes at him from a totally
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different direction like wood one that
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ideally he wouldn't understand but it
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apparently understand enough to cure it
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turns out cure it during a voiceover but
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whatever but know that I think that's a
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really good point gets back in the
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sixties of aviation right like surviving
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i got bit by a radioactive spider these
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days are genetically altered spider
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right right and that's that's the scary
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it's always a spider-man Iron Man's yes
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it's a BSI daredevil was hit by a
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package of that's right it's always been
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fantastic for was my barded by cosmic
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spiders
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it's weird was spider really Stanley was
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afraid of spiders it turns out he had a
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horrible phobia spider-man killed
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spoiler alert know the yet so the end of
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this movie guy you just mentioned it it
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it's weird and it did guy you and I were
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talking about on twitter and it's funny
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because I like a look at the proper end
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of this movie i would say there are a
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couple proper endings there's a proper
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ending where it's tony and pepper on the
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oil thing where it's kind of the end of
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that and I felt like you could almost
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end the movie there i met kind of
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personal moment between them but
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certainly there's that moment where he's
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at the rubble of his house and he's
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talking about basically like you know
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I'm Iron Man which is a great message
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right it's like in the end it's me I
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it's not my stuff
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it's me and that's the theme of the
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movie and it's come it comes back around
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in the end he gets rid of all the stuff
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he blows up all those iron man suits
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it doesn't matter because like we said
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at the end of the first movie when he
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said I'm ironman it literally is Tony's
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iron man he's the important part of the
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puzzle not the technology bookends it
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nicely are gonna work they actually stop
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this series after iron man 3 yeah things
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to make money will not allow that to
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happen but the thing is Robert
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engineer's nearly 50 and sinner or later
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it's gonna it's just going to start
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looking at really ridiculous and sad the
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same way that it kind of does now when
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you watch you Jackman as Wolverine where
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you're like my your impressive shape for
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a guy who's nearly 50 and you think but
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you're nearly fifteen you're playing an
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ageless mutants actually I'd be ok if it
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in Avengers 2 it was really like tony
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was like look I don't want to do this
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anymore and he sort of has forced to but
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it was not like I'm active in at the top
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of my game but more like he should do is
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just blend out some remote control suits
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like me you see him as sitting out the
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fight but he's participating because he
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sends out some more suits sure because
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you know once once once some samuel
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jackson excuse me Nick Fury one stick
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furious background like the Sandals
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resort and discovers what's happening
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right now what
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that's can talk about before yeah he's
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gonna like so let me get this straight
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while I wasn't while i was on vacation
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we found out that Tony Stark is a
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massive case of PTSD he double dog dare
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to terrorists to find him on national TV
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the terrorists did this guy goes
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underground and deepest darkest redneck
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he emerges it turns out he's been
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secretly building several independent
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autonomous remote-controlled iron man
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suits in his basement
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okay ducky this existed i want some of
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them i want some of them ironman sign me
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yeah i think that actually might be
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interesting so this r8 as a Iron Man fan
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that I don't like any of this war
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machine stuff and ready even though it's
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something that's been Andy eventually be
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funny lines right i say i loved what
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they did with him because they made him
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goofy and sort of an effective you know
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like trying hard but basically just
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failed at every point i hate the idea of
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strapping giant machine guns into iron
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man because it's ghost light totally
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against what the characters about
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basically yeah I never liked I never
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liked war machine I like Brody when he
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was in Iron Man's armor because don't
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get drunk
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that was great because he's like some
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fish every man has to fly the armor it's
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like oh crap what do i do but that was
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that was amazing
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yeah like I think they kind of touched
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on it in the second movie but they skip
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the missed a huge opportunity not to
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deal with the Starks alcoholism
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yeah I i agree that would have been a
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great are going to magically cured by
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his PTSD
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yeah well maybe you know maybe one way
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forward for the series of downey you
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know it either doesn't want to do it or
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that it doesn't really fit is to have
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him like you said be the kind of genius
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behind the scenes and have either
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remote-controlled or you know or have I
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don't like Don Cheadle is an interesting
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character and have him be like alright
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Tony you don't want to be on man we need
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an iron man i'll be iron man yeah that
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would have let you or some other
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character because they do with the
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marvel vs with Hawkeye is everyone
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smaller like oh he's getting old and
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falling apart so why don't we give it to
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Kate what's-her-face yes Brad and it
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actually works where you know where it's
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a nice meditation on mortality and the
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question of whether or not people are
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more attached to the notion of a hero
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identity with the person behind it right
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and moving number three seems to suggest
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that iron man is Tony Stark is our men
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is tony stark and I think it'd be kind
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of interesting if in Avengers to Tony
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Stark cassettes you know what I'm iron
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man but i can just change the parameters
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that anytime I feel like right now what
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that means that i'm the guy in the
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central control zone with all my little
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robots flying around
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instead you don't want to hate it well
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first of all the idea of a
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remote-control suit i really dislike
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because it totally takes you out of
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danger like you're not here at that
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point he never why does he ever and we
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were never we never really saw but it
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does turn into a drone operator
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yeah yes it is what I mean you know you
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had a pack of cigarettes in an ashtray
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next to you and you like yesterday
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because of their force base actually I I
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feel like we needed a scene where we saw
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that the drone Iron Man armor wasn't as
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effective like there's a reason why it's
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better if there's a guy in it you know
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what we whatever so used to seeing i
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really want to talk about is the plane
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rescue right that is a daring like dude
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you know this suit bus into a plane
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takes out an extremist guy and pretty
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clever away and ends up saving 113
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following people right people you by
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doing this crazy maneuver and then like
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after he saves them just flies off and
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gets hit by bus and disintegrates and we
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find out that Tony hasn't been there the
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whole time like that you just that's not
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a heroic the letdown is that's like well
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thank you
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she really liked that I thought that was
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but he also has a thing for me it's like
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Jarvis tells him that you can only hold
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for people he takes a ballsy move by
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trying to figure out how to that he's
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going to save all of electric current
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yeah he's gonna save all of them and it
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may not work and he may end up crashing
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into the into the water and dying
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basically except that was never the risk
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that he took the hero never took the
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risk there right he tried something they
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thought could work and it didn't work
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well whatever at least he did something
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at least he tried
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you know I mean like it i just it
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removes again
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Musa vulnerability of the character yeah
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I i agree i think it was cool and yet at
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the same time it does feel like the
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stakes are a lot less of Tony's just do
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enough like remote control on the ground
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and this nigga shaving was awesome and
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then they kind of threw it away with
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that gag where he gets hit by a bus and
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surely check out be not as good when
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it's a remote-controlled suit is when
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there's a guy in it right
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I mean surely about the kind of hundred
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country they actually make that they
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make that argument and i guess and i see
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i see your point i think i think it
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would be more compelling if it were
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the remote-controlled suits are handy
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for simple tasks but the reaction time
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where the leg time is such where they
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can work with you can't use them in
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finished situations but what I enjoyed
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about using the suit remotely to
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electrocute 13 people and then stick
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them in the water was which is what
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happened
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yeah skinmedica mean electricity it's
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your friend I'm what i thought was it
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was actually I thought okay this is a
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great way actually to set up for future
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movies where again Robert Downey jr. is
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closing in on age 50 and he snapped his
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ankle like a pretzel stick making this
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movie so what's to say that he's in the
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next one is like you know what let's
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just explore the idea that i'm taking
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the tech i'm i'm taking the person out
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of the technology and I i am moving into
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drone operators and I thought well this
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would be nice precedent for that and it
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also points out that again this is him
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thinking his way through a problem and
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there were two problems number one was
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there were 13 people that had to be
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saved the number two was he couldn't
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leave roadie in the ship and he still
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had to save them and he thought his way
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into a really creative solution so I
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thought that the stakes were there just
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because he wasn't physically present
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didn't mean that the states were there
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people the people steal victims were
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there but he wasn't right he was risking
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himself yet so but he still felt
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responsible if he hadn't managed to save
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ok woody that's part yes but he wouldn't
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be dead in two meters a bit like Alicia
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is this had happened in your life be
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like mannequins a hero but kind of gives
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you didn't have any skin in the game it
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feels dramatically less impressive right
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instead of dying he would have just gone
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back to his lair and built like a team
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or suits more feeling guilty right that
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way and that and that would have also
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been an interesting way to go so so we
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should talk about the the other part of
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the ending that i didn't mention which
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is I in my mind the most problematic
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part of the end which is we have the
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series of it's almost like you don't
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like the end of unbreakable which is a
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movie i like but they're sort of like
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the and this happens in lots of movies
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and TV shows like mr. glass was
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incarcerated at this array it's like
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literally tell you what happened after
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the story was over and so we get this
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weird thing where it's like and then i
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cured pepper
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yeah and I I figured out how to save
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myself from all the metal by my
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why don't the shrapnel and I was all
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what what what well I think everything I
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it's big from extremists thing going on
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there but they don't exactly know that's
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the only way I could make that my name
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and I get it I get the almost no this is
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too much to say it's the poetry of it
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but I get the symbolism of it right
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because it's he's removing the tech he's
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blowing up suits he's removing the text
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from his heart he's gonna be a guy he's
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gonna not be an attack I get that and I
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get sort of I guess from a continuity
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seemed kinda like unnecessary and sudden
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know whether I would rather they just
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deferred it for the next time we see
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Tony Stark that he doesn't have the
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heart and that we deal with pepper not
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being an extremist thing anymore felt to
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me that they got to the end of a movie
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yeah and then they were like okay now
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we're going to end the trilogy so the
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pieces are out of his heart yeah you're
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gone and yeah things look things are
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looking up for Tony like just after all
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this time suddenly it's like and then I
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had this great idea i could get the
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thing out of my mind my heart
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well I mean it opens with him shooting
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more technology into himself right
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answers have taken it out so it kind of
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balances out
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yeah the meaning the place at the poetry
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that the the symbolism of it that works
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for me it's him he's removing the attack
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was injecting tag have no idea what he
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didn't do it before actually to return
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to the theme that you exported in your
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tech I've piece where you talk about how
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the movie reveals a somatic uneasiness
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with biotech Tony Stark turns himself
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into a cyborg and then undoes it
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yeah and to me it's intriguing that we
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are much more okay with the idea of
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introducing man-made foreign objects
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into our bodies if they're cool
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yeah then we are with trying to rewrite
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genetic code to avoid diseases or
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restore lost limbs or or anything like
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that it's it just gets set up as you
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know I'm a I'm a troubled man I always
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i'm going to have the mettle by my heart
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and only technology is keeping me alive
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for three movies and at the end of the
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third movie
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it's like finally I figured that out
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yeah yeah it's kind of weird and it
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seems people not what I well-adjusted
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have the love of a good woman i have the
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motivation
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yeah and then also it's extremist we
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don't understand it's very strange very
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deadly these people are blowing up and
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they're killing people and their bad and
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I fixed
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oh I figured that out i cured that ok I
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mean it's just it's a letdown because I
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guess it would be nice if Bruce Banner
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have been the one to figure that out
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it's a good thing i could write you
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monkeys organic system that haven't been
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oh my Romick I fix all these people who
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burst into flames but i can text my own
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bad temper and I'm sure there's a they
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wanted just the shortcut because they
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wanted the poetry so they wanted they
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wanted the shortcut but it just it
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seemed really abrupt and it reminded me
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of nothing other than that seen in the
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Simpsons where where there's that slot
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Simpsons where where there's that slot
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I think it's dropped in the the chain
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scratchy show that says pucci died on
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the way back to his home planet and they
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say that's okay she was an alien
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I guess right it's just like whoa where
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did that come from
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ooo I guess the cured extremist ok it's
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just it's it's it's weird I get why they
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did it because i like that Tony ends up
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completely unencumbered by technology
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that's what this movie is about it's
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about how he isn't important and the
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suit is not and what defines him is not
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his technology but him you know his
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intelligence and his personality and and
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himself as a human being i get all of
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that it's just like whoa that you know
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it but you told us for three movies that
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he could he had this trapdoor in his
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heart he couldn't take it out now it's
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like that's fine i didn't know that was
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you know it just it was yeah i would
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have trusted brought many minutes of the
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final battle scene
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yeah for like a more robust wrap up to
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the you know to the trilogy vegas right
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of the human well again I were the human
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race meant the human elements were what
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we wanted to see a little more of at the
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end and not just lots of stuff blowing
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up maybe that's what we got
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yeah but i like it so where do we put
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this as well as we're getting toward the
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end here where do we put these three
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movies in terms of sequence I I had a
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bunch of people asking is it better than
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iron man one is better than iron man 2i
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think an army into personally i think is
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the weakest of these by far
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oh yes I I like Iron Man 1 so much and
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iron man 3 I guess I'd say it's not as
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good as the first movie but the first 90
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minutes of it is really really good and
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then it's just like okay after it's sort
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of more generic superhero after that and
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I was let down because I I thought that
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first 90 minutes where it's kind of
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weird and darken subversive and I like
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that part of it so i guess i drank from
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13 to but i'm curious what you guys
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think its 1324 here
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yeah I think he was just terrible it is
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it is other than that seen with the race
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car in the amount suitcase i like i love
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that i like this even the diner with
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scarlett johansson and samuel l jackson
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laying it out for Robert sure
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oh yeah actually yeah there's a couple
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of good things i watch it again like I
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think Scarlett Johansson's pretty
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underrated in the in the franchise's a
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hole to be frank
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she's really good actually and then she
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yeah yeah I think she's in
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she's in the new captain america that's
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going to come out the winter soldier
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she's a major not like even a cameo but
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like is the the major other character in
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that which i'm looking forward to
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because I feel like that character is
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actually gonna benefit from not being
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sharing the space with you know eight
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other people
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yea yea or you know basically being a
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curious little not only the attack dog
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but you know that yeah the darth vader
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Furies palatine yeah transparency they
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basically they're using her for errands
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which right yeah and you're thinking
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really this is a person who's training
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who can kill people with her thighs and
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speaking billion and then you're
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basically sending her just to just to
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check off items on your you get things
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done for you know what they did well
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with her in the Avengers did when they
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introduced her that was a great scene
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where you think she's in trouble and
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then she gets called in and that is
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literally just Whedon at his back yet
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that is that scene is Joss Whedon at his
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best that's what he does well yeah she's
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like exasperated like yeah come on
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Messiah plus i'm looking forward to
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seeing Avengers 2 because presumably if
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she and Captain America take their act
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on the road in winter soldier then that
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should inform their partnership or their
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reactions in the second adventures and I
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like the idea of when the band gets back
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together
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there are all of these alliances or
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loyalties that didn't used to be there
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yet right definitely like in The
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Adventures a-listers at you know captain
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Tony don't like each other right but
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then they end up working together to fix
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the Helicarrier and it you know in the
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comic books they're fast friends except
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except for the civil war but other well
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saying that should have just disappeared
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but yes no more now Lord of course
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that's sure to say yeah no more
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disagreements between Tony and captain
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america please
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it's Reed Richards fault it's always
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rebuild it's always a guy well how do
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you rate the how do you rate the movies
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where the slot iron man 3 I i think
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there's should be no argument
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number one is just brilliant yeah number
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three is good
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number two is kind of bed
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yeah but and I'm saying that like that's
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calibrated to be you know general
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filmgoing person
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preferred the nerdy stuff i think it's
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still the same order but you know maybe
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did spread is reduced a little bit
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Scott what about you i would agree iron
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man two is this weird movie for me in
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which I completely forget that I've seen
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it every time I was on TV I'm like oh
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and i remember we get to the bottom of
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weather like in the swamp and there's
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the Ironman and and and and Brody is
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there and then be at the mitten bike
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missile robot guys are coming in and I'm
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like okay thats in this movie it's like
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I can't even it doesn't even step make
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some sense yeah i have already its kind
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of doesn't have a coherent plot it's
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just so I want to have three are far far
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superior get two to three every single
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character has a motivation even want to
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name d a million not killing you killing
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the same guy
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yeah Maya Hansen to right right yeah and
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she has a like a perfectly reasonable
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reason to take Killians money to try to
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develop extremist Killian has a
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perfectly reasonable reason why not
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it's insane but you know he wants like
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they're really good to set up the
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announcement vixen those motivations
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dollar characters and iron man 2 it's
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like I don't I don't get it
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I there's Mickey work his son is very
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mad at Tony Stark for reasons it's just
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because
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yeah yeah we have my bird that's right
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the great it was all the bird that's
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what it was
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it's a fake I would give give me my bird
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i want bird already start stealing my
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so you know i like i like um I like iron
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man 3 it sounds like everybody here
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agreed that it was kind of a thumbs-up
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iron man 3 and I wanted to say how jaded
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we are about this because I think back
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to other superhero franchise third
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movies this is the kiss of death for
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superhero franchises there have been so
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many bad third superhero movies and by
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those terms you know you know how lucky
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we are man 3 was actually good because
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you know spider-man 3 is what your
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superman three or I you know there's a
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lot of really bad third third movies in
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general and third superhero movies in
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particular and
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iron man 3 was good yes good and I think
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you're right it's because they didn't
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make a superhero movie they made a buddy
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movie and yet when James Bondish kinda
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for ya you know that they made MacGyver
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with and in and i love i love the
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Christmas story crack that he gives oh
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yeah like when we first meet the guys
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got this a group like this i'm doing
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Christmas that's gotta be a an ad-lib
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that one feels like downs just like
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that's funny well Peter Billingsley was
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in the first iron man movie yeah he was
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and I think he's he's a producing
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Callejon jon jon favreau yeah John
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factors put on a bit away i'm going to
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say he did he does and that's okay
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yeah you know he looks good it's just it
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he the characters drastically different
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from the first we didn't even mention
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that the that Jon Favreau's character
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has been put in charge of security and
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he's super paranoid although it turns
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out that he's right to be
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yeah but that wasn't Larry some very
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some funny moments of him being you know
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everybody like oh yes happy whatever you
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know what your bachelor 1999 400 the
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little mama delightful yeah you know
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what one of the yeah one of my favorite
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lines because i watched yesterday from
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iron man two with a Tony's starts e gets
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in the racing car he gets into the
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formula 1 car right and you see the
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driver the designated designated driver
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like throw his helmet down all pissed
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off and pepper starting to realize and
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so she says to Scarlett Johansson's
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character whatever black widow
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yeah well it wasn't attached it whatever
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it is she's under a pseudonym and yeah
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um yes Natalie Natalie Natalie Natalie
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get me happy i need happy I'm like
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that's such a perfect line like I just
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love i love that character everything
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about me so happy because Matthew
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everything about happy Hogan makes me
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well he he gets the gets Tony the burger
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king hamburger assumption that he's
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awesome
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yeah you know I i was listening to
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somebody talking about iron man and talk
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about product placement in general and
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they mentioned that scene they were
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ranting about how it goes and he gets
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back from his he gets back from his a
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his time in Afghanistan and he ends up
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with this burger king rapper and it's
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like this and no it's shameless product
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placements like I love that I love that
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shameless product placement
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it's so fun it's funny it's like he
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wants a hamburger they do drive-through
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in the limo on the way the press
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conference
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it makes me laugh I don't know did if I
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were trapped in the cave in Afghanistan
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and then I had to send those back and I
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deal in and out please give you a minute
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out no no i mean well i think it was he
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just didn't care
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it's just get me a burger maybe Tony
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Stark's taste buds are killed by the
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alcohol and he thought that you know
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that hey burger king is what I wanted
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yes there is so much article mentioned
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there's so much article product
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placement it's crazy
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oh yes so in this movie of greatness
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points out that at the end Tony upgrades
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the kids a shack to fios which is very
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funny and then the Oracle i am searching
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the Oracle cloud now that was also very
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funny but Tony Stark is sort of based on
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Larry Andersen anyways yeah all because
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I thought it was a I actually thought
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was shut up to DC cop no no that's the
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nice yeah joe butter and celery was even
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in the second one he makes an appearance
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at some point yeah him in and Elon Musk
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you are like the two kind of models for
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Tony Stark in some ways it's funny
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because he blows and blows off which is
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yeah yeah sure sure but yeah there's the
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dead up to the Oracle cloud and this
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magical Cloud things happening and then
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you have the kid gets filed and actually
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got an email from somebody who the
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people of whatever city in Tennessee
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that supposed to be there in their files
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their chamber of commerce send out
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actually press release I'm not kidding
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that was like we have fast internet
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access here I don't know what this movie
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it's like no that was the point of the
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community through the kid doesn't have
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fat they get fios at the end you've got
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faster the kid didn't have it and now he
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has it he has fiber optics thank you for
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risin that's crazy the kid also has a
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crazy like he gives him a crazy car
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acharya that's like the city sending out
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of things like no we have cars here
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yes yeah and also this kid can't drive
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internal combustion has reached our
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first in Tennessee
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yeah along with extremist engines well
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so i think this was a successful episode
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of the uncomfortable and I think it was
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a successful movie which is nice because
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it could have been so much worse but it
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was good it was fun and it's not you
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know maybe kiss kiss bang bang which
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like I said it's a really great movie
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right by shane black star Robert Downey
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jr. absolutely go watch go watch that
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and val kilmer of real genius fame in
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another great very different but very
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great part well so this is great i want
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to thank you guys for coming on and
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talking about iron man with me and by
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tony stark he is iron man whether he's
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in the suit or not and and thanks of
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course to everybody out there listening
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to be uncomfortable so I want to as I as
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is my custom i'm going to thank my guess
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individually Scott McNulty thank you for
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being on episode and not one involving
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books which is shocking but you do
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occasionally go see movies and watch
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television shows so thank you
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true i don't recall books general yeah
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but that I don't put them down they are
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valued and inspirational form of art
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just for you just let me that's fair no
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no I don't know where to start there's
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something I get it
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so which will get your list and you can
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ignored that's fine
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Lisa speiser thanks again for being here
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it was my pleasure as always it was
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great to have you and guy english it's
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been a while the that we've been talking
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about maybe someday having you on is I
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was almost at the point where was
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accepting that like you know what I'm
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never going to be on ever gonna be on
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and maybe that's ok maybe you know
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that's the moment that is it just like
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when Tony except that he has to blow up
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the suits and because the iron man who
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lives within the moment you realize that
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you're never going to be on the podcast
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right on man just learned this
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that's the moment where you know yeah
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i'd like to thank million from breaking
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the glass ceiling and yeah getting a
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symbol not sure sure that's going to get
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this first timers on the clock and it's
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always good but this was this is great
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so thanks to you guys and thanks to
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everybody out there for listening to the
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uncomfortable until next time I am your
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host Jason snow will see you later
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