The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable number 139 maybe 20-30 [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► podcast I'm your host Jason smell and [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► tonight we're convening an interesting [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► collection of panelists to have for an [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► interesting topic i would say we're [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► going to talk about a wrinkle in time [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► the classic children's book the first [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► and what apparently as a series of five [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► books on this subject but I remember [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► none of them but the first one and only [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► read i think one of the others but the [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► news peg here the thing that makes this [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► extra relevant for today's audiences is [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► that recently hope larson created a [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► graphic novel adaptation that i also am [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► holding i have each of them in one hand [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► right now many of us remember this book [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► from our childhood in fact the i'm [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► holding in 1978 del yearling addition of [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► a wrinkle in time with the childlike [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► handwriting of my wife on the inside [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► from when she lived in hollywood [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► california short was nine years old and [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► I and then of course the new hope larson [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► so we're going to talk about this book [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► and who knows where it will take us my [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► panelists to discuss this are Lisa [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► Schmeisser you heard her laughing hi [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► Lisa [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► hi it's good to have you here it's nice [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► to be here thank you serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► is also here [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► hi hi Jason good to have you and his [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► first time not not really appearing on [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► the podcast but his first time is an [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► actual panelist it is the author of the [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► incomparable radio theatre on the air [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► and somebody who reads things apparently [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► too because he's read this it's david [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► lower high i had to be here [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► yeah it's good to have you a regular [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► time I remember this book very clearly [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► from when I was a kid I I my copy didn't [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► I think survive to my adult life I had a [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► wind in the door I think that that I [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► managed to keep for a long time and I [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► always thought it was funny that I had [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► the receipt one of the sequels and could [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► never find my original and then I [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► thought I'd found it turns out that it [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► was just the one that my my wife had [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► brought to the to the marriage it's like [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► her name's on the inside it's proof that [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► it's not mine but but and i have this [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► memory of that yellow cover with the [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► sort of scent or alien with a rainbow [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► coming out of its back and this is the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► copy holding my hand [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► what they've got they've got the rainbow [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► wings on the the Centaur take a corn [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► yeah and that and then in the middle of [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► the floating green it brain [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► oh I don't have that yeah that's the 1i [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► have no yes it has the floating green it [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► bring the lower third the lower third of [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► the book spoilers and then there's the [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► there's the the rainbow egg accord [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► enough dude and then minus the newbery [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► award winning classic metal legs yeah [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► yeah that's well that's we have slightly [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► different editions I'm not really happy [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► with my rainbow rainbow centaur person I [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► actually like the rainbow centaurs in [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► the hope larson adaptation a little bit [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► more because they look like wings where [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► is this is like this is like the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► painting on the set of and the 70 yeah [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► it's like a rainbow they were stabbed in [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► the back by radio now there's a rainbow [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► stuck in their bag because you can just [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► see it's like it's like that up there be [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► a purple van and you know that would be [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► like a dreamcatcher hanging from the [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► window and this would be airbrushed onto [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► one side of it and the people driving it [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► would tumble out make it smell like [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► menthol right on [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► exactly yeah spiritual unicorn you know [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► listen you sure sure exalted more in [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► keeping with the angles of aesthetics so [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► I guess we should start by talking a [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► little bit about about what your history [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► is with this with this book if you've [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► got a fun childhood memory like i said i [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► remember reading it and the sequels and [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► keeping it around and finding it very [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► strange but I didn't have you know my my [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► memory of the book the only one that I [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► can remember it you know with is this [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► first book and it's funny my memory of [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► it is very specifically the the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► beginning more it although a bit so [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► thinking about it I kept thinking I only [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► remember the first couple of chapters [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► and then there's this whole other plot [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► that happens after that and then reading [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► it back the part that I remember as the [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► very beginning of the book it's like [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► more than half the book because this [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► book is very strangely paste and I think [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► we'll probably get to that where things [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► that I think of this like sort of setup [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► and meeting the characters you realize [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► you're more than halfway through the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► book and you're still just sort of [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► meeting the characters but so let's see [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► what wonder what are your histories with [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► it let's start with lisa i read the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► trilogy for the first time in fourth [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► grade [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► made it was in our classroom library and [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► I think that brought it home over the [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► weekend and and I think by that tuesday [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► i had raided my allowance and God back [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► and bought my own trilogy and I used to [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► have a little cardboard box that went [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► around the three books so it was a gift [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► set is very excited about it um it would [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► not be an exaggeration to say that a [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► wrinkle in time blew my mind and the [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► thing that sticks with me to this day is [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► toward the end of the book when we find [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► 22 mrs. whatsit talks about the sommet [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► it's like yeah it's on page 179 in my [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► book you can control condition in which [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► humanities life on this earth is [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► described as a sauna it's on it and what [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► she explains is that sounded only works [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► when does haven't been in look and I [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► think one of the reasons that sucks that [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► suckers were actually doing science in [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► class at the time to as a form of poetry [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► so so the seed was there but just the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► idea that within very strict parameters [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► you could you have limitless potential [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► to to work up and within and to create [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► something beautiful that somehow managed [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► to jump outside those parameters while [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► honoring them being shaped by them that [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► was an idea i had never encountered um [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► because nobody in my eat because it's [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► not like you know you have these [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► conversations their parents of the [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► dinner table may explain to you now [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► honey you know if you set strict limits [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► and discipline what you can do is [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► cultivate the mental base that you like [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► your parents are going to do that when [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► you're 19 years old and this was really [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► the first time i was able to put [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► together things like if I understand and [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► learn the fundamentals of math or [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► language or music or writing once I [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► figure out what those are I can do [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► anything I want with them and the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► metaphor of create of limitless [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► creativity within very strict structure [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► has been one that i have found to be [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► incredibly useful throughout my entire [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► life and I am I credit this is book so [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► you know i can literally feel my brain [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► the pathways my brains shifting and [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► moving around when i read that the first [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► time and it's it wasn't available that [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► said I've still never been able to [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► conceptualize a tesseract like i just [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► looked [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► it's a square square root of the sport [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► again yeah bring I think about it really [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► hard men go oh I had for a second [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► yeah David what's your original your [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► history with this will add you know my [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► mother was a writer and she was also a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► theologian so you know I kind of came at [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► the books with you know a little bit of [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► the religion going on at the same time [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► because they're fairly religious arm and [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► so I mean they were just always in the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► house you know as far back as I can [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► remember there was this one bookshelf [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► that was talking and CS lewis and [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► Madeleine L'Engle and Charles Williams [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► and and one day my mother just took she [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► actually took swiftly tilting planet [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► which was the third one and took it off [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► the shelf and said here try this and I [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► don't know why she gave it to me out of [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► order but huh whatever continuity and [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► spoilers over well in the end of the [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► last two that she wrote that are in that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► set they actually they're not [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► chronologically the last two it's really [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► weird anyway so the I mean I i had read [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► them when i was thinkin second or third [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► grade and it was the same kind of thing [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► it was sort of oh my god you know the [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► the the the thought and the thought of [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► the sonnet and then that you know you [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► you could create you know once you [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► figured out the pattern you were set for [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► everything else right and then I didn't [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► read them for years and years and years [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► and so it was interesting to come back [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► to them now and sort of fill in the [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► blanks as i was going because i read the [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► graphic novel first and I and I was like [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► wheat that where did what did she leave [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► out there and then I went back to the [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► book and when oh yeah I remember that [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► was a little surreal [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► oh but but yeah it was sort of [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► interesting again how much I remembered [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► of the setup and how much I remembered [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► of the the the place setting for each [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► each environment they go to write and I [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► didn't remember the details I didn't [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► remember [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► the quotes or the the very very faint [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► theology that's in there already what [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► about you [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► this is a book i read very very early on [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► when I was younger my parents were [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► musicians they played at a at a church [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► every weekend and before the church [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► service they had to go in ridiculously [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► early 637 in the morning to get [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► everything set up and to start start [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► choir and in the meantime my mother [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► would drop me off with a friend of [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► mutual friend who also went to this [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► church and her daughter Kate was the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► same age as me and I think at this point [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► we were probably six or seven something [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► like that maybe maybe closer to 10 i [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► mean we we basically hung out every [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► Saturday for five or six years and kate [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► and and her mother were rabid book [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► collectors and her mother worked for the [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► LA times so I every week I was basically [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► going over to Kate's and pulling off a [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► different book from her shelf and taking [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► it and hiding it in church and when I [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► when I accidentally picked up Franklin [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► time it was one of those things where [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► you start reading it you don't really [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► realize that it's a book that's going to [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► affect you as much as it does because it [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► starts off very simply but very [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► truthfully you know I'm even even at [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► nine or ten yeah you can still it still [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► resonates very deeply the feeling of you [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► know if you're a little bit stranger [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► than everybody else for your little bit [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► outside of the curve you can really [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► identify with meg you can identify with [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► Charles Wallace and there are a lot of [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► these characters that really resonate [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► even if you're not quite sure by their [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► resonate it's a it's a book for me that [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► you know what when i read it the first [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► time I just thought it was brilliant and [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► I went I went back and I stole the rest [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► of them from katie and read through [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► those up a storm and then basically [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► pestered my mother daily until I could [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► actually go to a bookstore and buy the [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► sets but you know when I look back on it [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► it's a weird it's a it's a book that I [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► value very it's a book of value very [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► highly it's a it's a quartet that I [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► value very highly and that I've read [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► these books over and over and over again [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► probably second to you know Little House [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► on the Prairie or it'sit's just it's a [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► weird sort of thing this book resonates [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► to me in images almost rather than [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► phrases although it's funny enough [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► reading through hope Larson's graphic [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► novel which is just beautiful and [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► visualizes the characters in such a [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► fantastic way without actually taking [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► away from your own imagination of what [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► it looks like and what what this is who [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► and mrs. whatsit all look like when [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► reading the graphic novel was I found it [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► funny how many of those lines I actually [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► could recall my heart even know I need [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► to know if i if i SAT and picked up the [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► book again i don't think i've read the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► book in 10 years now but there's so much [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► of it that's laid so deep in my [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► subconscious the sonnet lines are very [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► funny to me because that that awards [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► it's so weird it's that that is a faucet [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► that's like an underlying philosophy [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► from my life and I am [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► always when i'm trying to coach or what [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► I'm trying to what I was directing [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► people i always use that sort of theorem [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► with them being like all right well we [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► have the text and we have very strict [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► structures for things like commedia [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► dell'arte and theatre mom but the whole [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► beauty of structures like that is the [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► freedom in which to play with them and [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► for some reason wrinkle in time just [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► broke that [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► yeah and I didn't even connect it until [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► you brought it up right now it's it's [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► just it's funny it's very very funny and [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► strange and magical so before we get me [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► for further along here I wanted to at [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► least give people who may not remember [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► or haven't read it and the other still [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► listening uh had an idea of what of what [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► this what this book is about and it is [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► fascinating one of the things you know [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► it's kind of far out i mean it is his [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► former book with a rainbow centre on the [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► cover you would expect it but I as a as [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► a kids book it's kind of a gentle and [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► yet also eventually really bizarre story [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► it's about a girl make Murray who is as [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► has been mentioned here she's kind of an [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► outcast she's her her arm [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► she's from a family a very very [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► intelligent family and she's intelligent [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► but doesn't get along well with other [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► people in school and she has trouble in [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► school not because she's not smart but [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► because she's actually very smart and [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► kind of bored and kind of doesn't get [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► along with people and she's got a little [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► brother a very little brother who's kind [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► of a genius a super genius and also [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► everybody thinks it's stupid because [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► he's different and then she's got twin [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► brothers who are maybe not as who are [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► bright and successful and socially adept [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► but you know not necessarily as [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► brilliant as these other two are her dad [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► is missing who he works for the [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► government and has gone off somewhere [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► and they haven't seen him in ages and [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► they they meet a through us you know she [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► also i should say she whenever somebody [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► at school insults her brother she [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► punches come which is a nice touch [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► so she gets in trouble and she goes to [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► the principal and the principal asked [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► her to conform and she basically says no [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► I'm gonna do that and then what happens [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► is that her brilliant little [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► brother Charles Wallace says that he's [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► been meeting this this this mysterious [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► woman and they go out into the to this [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► abandoned like haunted house basically [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► like stereotypical haunted house meet me [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► another kid from the school who's [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► actually popular but it turns out is [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► actually kind of faking you can get [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► along with being popular but he's [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► actually really bright and is sort of [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► faking it to get to be popular and they [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► discover that Charles Wallace has been [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► having conversations with three [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► mysterious women who are actually aliens [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► or or even more cosmic creatures than [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► that and that their father has actually [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► used a wrinkle in time or a tesseract to [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► travel across time and space to other [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► planets where he is now being held [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► captive in the in a universal battle of [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► good versus evil and that that that [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► downloads very quickly him at some point [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► in the middle of this book and then [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► they're off on an adventure that takes [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► them to i'm going to say four or five [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► other planets eventually and and they [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► meet up with they meet up with a big [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► pulsating brain monster on a planet and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► and Charles Wallace's is possessed and [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► left behind and a rescue her dad and [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► then she has to go back and save her [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► brother and that's basically my plot [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► synopsis of wrinkle in time did I'm it [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► did I leave anything out i mean it's [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► that it's not really about the plot but [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► it's a quiz pretty crazy [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► actually when you try but when you think [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► about this the kids book and it seems to [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► be going off with like a journey of [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► self-discovery for memory and suddenly [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► they're like it's so intelligently paste [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► though because like you like you guys [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► were saying earlier it takes forever to [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► pick up speed since approximately first [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► third of the book is laying down with [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► the foundation the sense of place that [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► memory children call home right [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► the neat the the village in which [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► they're clearly leave the outcast their [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► their mother who is actually frankly [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► managing to have it all because she's [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► brilliant scientist who still cooks [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► dinner on the Bunsen burners and is a [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► single parent to for smart kids and [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► holding it together and they're all [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► these routines and rituals and she does [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► this great job of flushing out this [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► world where they need that the dog's [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► name is Fortinbras [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► and that that little detail tells you so [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► much about the about the general tenor [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► of the memory home where were clearly [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► the ethos is keep up and she can't keep [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► up take notes yeah that's it and and [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► well kids because you know just like and [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► we should just split board in the third [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► book when they find a snake the neighbor [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► columbia which is the latin which witch [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► is which the latin term for snake no [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► it's a joke is not funny it and so she [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► built up this rich idiosyncratic world [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► to give you the liverwurst and cream [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► cheese sandwiches is comfort food which [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► is a detail that is always baffled me [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► because such a disgusting but what this [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► does is if you're a kid when you when [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► you are a little kid you are still [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► intensely self-centered and intensely [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► local and so if you're a small if you're [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► if you're an elementary school who's [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► reading this what she does here is she [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► basically if she introduces the world at [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► a pace that that children can grasp [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► using a frame of reference that children [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► will immediately warm too [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► and then when she shifts gears and where [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► your hip hopping across the galaxy and [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► getting these big lessons about evil and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► incorruptibility and so on and so forth [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► like the self-discovery a little kids [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► not going to say that the self discovery [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► goes hand-in-hand with the dramatic [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► jumps and development but that's [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► actually that that's a really uncanny [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► parallel for what happens to children [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► and adolescents and adulthood is that [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► you kind of take along in your world in [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► your world and then one day there's a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► big leap and things look different but [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► it's still the same world and so I think [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► this book is actually perfectly [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► structured to mirror what happens to [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► people through between the ages of like [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► 11 and 16 so so starting with the family [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► and you made a really good point there [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► Lee said this this book is a you know [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► setting up this family that is proudly [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► apart and different and and how and [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► they're they're very different from the [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► people who live all it almost to this [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► kind of ridiculous extreme where where [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► what is his name Cal Cal Cal his you [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► know his mother has like no teeth [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► it's Harper right right so it's like [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► these are very different people from the [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► town that their that they're living in [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► common Kings yeah it and um and that's [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► on one level because they're brilliant [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► and have you know and mom is cooking [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► stew out on a Bunsen burner while she's [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► doing chemical experiments and things [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► like that but it has a cost because it's [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► conformity is actually what is being [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► sought here and I i thought when i was [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► reading it no one's reading at the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► beginning I was like oh no wonder i love [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► this book this is but you know because [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► because meg is having a hard time [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► fitting in and you know gets really [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► frustrated and I just I was like okay I [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► totally identified with that but it's so [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► that that's one aspect of this is that [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► this really interesting thing about this [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► is a very interesting brilliant family [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► and they don't fit they don't end it [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► doesn't matter necessarily accept to Meg [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► and presumably eventually Charles [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► Wallace because they don't they don't [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► fit [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► unlike the twins who just kinda slide [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► along its kind of the twins peculiar [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► genius though is is just like Megas an [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► incredible mathematical genius and [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► probably the one most in touch with [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► humanity's darker emotions especially [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► compared with Charles Wallace it was a [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► really thinly veiled and walk to the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► christ-child Dennis and Sandy have [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► managed to figure out how to pass for [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► lack of a better word early on [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► yes yeah and and they're they're very [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► skilled at passing and I think I and and [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► I've always felt like they kind of get [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► short shrift in the first three books i [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► haven't read the one in which they they [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► start as it were but I've always felt [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► they kind of get the short shrift [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► because to grow up with the family that [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► they had and then to make the deliberate [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► decision that yes we're going to be good [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► at sports [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► we're going to manage to to straddle the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► line between these two cultures that we [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► have to negotiate with at home and not [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► home and then they go into medicine and [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► law which are you know by virtue of the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► professions of this patina of [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► respectability it's it's intriguing to [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► that they pulled off that balancing act [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► yeah I get one this book that they are [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► they're not particularly really are on [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► screen yeah many waters is actually the [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► book i read the most after wrinkle and [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► time in terms of that the quartet on and [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► that's actually a really fascinating [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► book it's a much more religious book in [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► some ways than the other three are [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► rather overtly religious because it [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► deals with biblical times and it deals [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► with very very noticeable biblical [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► characters [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► so you you know the initial jump into [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► the story can sometimes turn people away [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► because oh it's heavy heavily [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► Christianity but their reactions and [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► they're sort of working through the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► story of basically Noah and the flood [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► gives them a really really interesting [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► character background that you don't see [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► any other three books so I I mean I i [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► really liked that book even though I [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► know it gets kind of unfair unfair [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► shrift and it's um it was published a [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► lot later than the other three because [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► it was published in between her second [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► set of quartets that star spoiler alert [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► i usually make and Calvin's kid so I [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► haven't actually read any of those but [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► but many waters is quite good so when i [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► was reading the here's what i did i read [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► the graphic novel and then I went back [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► and read the book again and when i was [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► reading the graphic novel i was thinking [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► of myself [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► was it was it this weird and the answer [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► is yeah it was uh I found that out but [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► one of the things that's one of the [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► things that I thought was was did [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► obviously as a kid I kind of missed the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► or didn't notice or didn't you know just [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► didn't read on me both the there's a [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► religious aspect of this that we need to [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► talk about and there's also this kind of [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► you know this individualism message [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► where I was thought oh is this kind of [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► it's going to turn out to be some sort [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► of like coated and randiyan thing that I [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► didn't realize was an awful when I was a [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► kid and now i owe my god and it's not [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► but um but it is about there's this [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► whole thing about individualism in here [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► in it and you see that the beginning and [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► at the end and it's a strong thread [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► throughout but before we get there I do [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► want to talk about religion and get your [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► guys take on it because Lisa and ran [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► both mentioned it and David mentioned [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► that his mom was a theologian so we're [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► going to get into it i'm not a [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► particularly ritual religious person all [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► the way to go to Sunday School and so I [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► had a background in that when i was a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► kid reading this for the first time [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► what struck me about the religion in a [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► wrinkle in time is that it's mentioned [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► but it's not it's not that over its more [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► i I'd almost say it's almost more like [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► the wallpaper of religion that it's it's [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► just a thing that's part of the world [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► and not you know I hate to say it but [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► these days you get this this real [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► push-and-pull whether it's either real [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► religious propaganda or it isn't [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► it's either about science or it's about [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► religion it's about heart or it's about [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► religion but everything is pitted [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► against each other that literally you [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► can't have something if something's got [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► religion in it generally the feeling [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► today is that that's that's because its [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► propaganda and in many cases that's [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► because it is propaganda and this struck [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► me as being something that like there's [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► that great scene where they they ask [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► about this they say there's a struggle [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► between you know darkness and light [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► which is just as easily star wars as it [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► is the Bible but they say now who do you [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► think are the people who fought for for [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► light and one of the kids says Jesus [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► like yes and I said but also and they [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► list off a bunch of artists and [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► scientists and i thought now see that's [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► really interesting because it's not it's [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► not uh you know hey hey kids i'm [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► enlisting you in the cause of good be [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► like Jesus see you know he's fighting on [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► the side it's like know it's him and and [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► Leonardo Leonardo DaVinci internet and [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► Shakespeare and Einstein right 10 and so [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► I thought that was really interesting [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► there there's another Bible verse that [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► big needs to remember later on and I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► mean it's definitely there and and the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► the the alien horse people [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► rainbow people are kind of angels and [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► are referred to as such by cal at one [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► point but it's not like they're angels [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► it's more like how do I describe them to [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► I can't really think of it like guardian [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► angels they're kind of like that right [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► it's not it just it managed to use [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► religious imagery and talk about [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► religion as it was part of the world [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► without seeming like it was super coded [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► propaganda least that's how I read it [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► when I reread it kind of being wary [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► about what I was going to find inside [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► yeah it's almost like a step forward [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► from CS lewis's narnia books in a way [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► because good [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► it's a it's a it's in a weird you know i [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► will and that's an example where the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► Narnia books are actually I think [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► much better coding for religious [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► parables than the his sci-fi books which [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► are much more heavy-handed i think but [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► yeah well no I mean Narnia Narnia is [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► very heavy-handed but in a wonderfully [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► lyrical sort of way where it's never you [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► know it's never so overt that anyone [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► under the age of 12 is going to catch on [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► whereas wrinkle in time and its [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► successors are very much yes religious [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► religion is in this world religion is [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► part of this world religion influences [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► what is going on my religion is not the [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► end-all be-all and religion works in [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► concert with these other you know with [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► science and with art and their-their can [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► get theirs and almost makes an argument [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► that there can be no religion without [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► science and art and that they all they [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► all must work together or else the [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► entire fabric of the universe falls [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► apart and you kind of get a little bit [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► of that with it in terms of you know [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► where we've taken away everything for [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► vast structure and in this structure [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► there's no real religion there's no real [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► art there's no real science it's just [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► everybody you know under this grip not [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► want to individual orders without [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► without creativity its exact specifics [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► on it right yeah the the point that [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► Jason makes about you know Jesus as [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► somebody who changed the universe for [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► the better but scientists do an artist [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► do as well I group is a Catholic in the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► bible belt and I grew up in fact in the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► neighborhood with a Southern Baptist [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► mom's managed to make the case to my [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► parents that I should be sent to [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► southern baptist bible school during the [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► summer so I so my soul can be saved so [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► hopefully some nice well it you know [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► it's it [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► welcome to the Bible Belt working [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► himself and so to 10 of again to have [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► the idea that there was more than one [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► way to be a good person in the world and [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► to do good towards the world that was an [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► idea that i needed to have expressed to [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► me and legitimate ways as a child and [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► this book is a wonderful job of doing [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► that I do wonder if it's more of a [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► product of its time because it was [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► written during the early 1960s where [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► religion wasn't seen so much as an us [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► versus them thing is nice today [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► exactly I'm [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► it's much more gentle it whereas if you [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► take a look at some of our older works [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► for example i'm also a fan of her meet [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► the Austen's books and those are far [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► more overtly religious and far more far [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► more adamantly christian and i have [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► noticed that as writers get older they [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► do tend to sink into whatever is going [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► to give them comfort and validation and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► it seems like the angle kind of did that [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► with her work whereas I think this is [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► one of the second book she wrote and so [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► she's still figure she's still finding [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► her way as a voice and she synthesized [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► most four major themes but this is much [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► more product if it's if it's time in the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► sixties which is there are a lot of [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► different ways to create miracles and [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► wonders Jesus crisis when we're doing it [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► scientists who can help us find the [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► truth about the University another way [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► artists that can help us express that [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► truth about the universe or another way [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► philanthropist who can help us express [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► kindness in the universe or another way [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► and I wish that was an idea that was [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► more and play now [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah because you get a lot of [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► science fiction now and a lot of what's [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► coming out in the last 10 to 15 years in [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► popular science fiction religions become [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► the big bad bulky man in a lot of books [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► and then of course in in so much [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► religious discussion neuroscience is the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► enemy exactly right and and night [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► neither of those necessarily is a you [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► know me I'm always looking for a [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► moderate path the the neither of those [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► is particularly constructive and you [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► know not to get on a night together [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► totally bizarre chain tangent now the [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► episode about this soon but you know [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► Babylon 5 one of the TV show from the [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► nineties that I really loved written by [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► an 80s Joe michael Straczynski has [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► extraordinary nuanced takes on religion [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► and how it shapes people's lives and [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► ethics it's fantastic i believe won an [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► award for the portrayal of religion on [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► television it was like we can portray a [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► future where they're aliens and people [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► are in outer space and people guess what [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► still have religions because that's [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► going to happen because you know those [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► aren't going to just disappear one day [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► despite what gene roddenberry thanks [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► soho I and I always so that was [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► refreshing and I i think it's too bad it [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► knowing that that these books become [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► more overtly religious over time it's [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► like ice [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► I really appreciated the fact that the [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► in this book it's part of the mix and [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it's relevant and it's and it's it you [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► know it's it's got some cultural [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► signifiers to it's like it [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► of course you know these verses from the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► Bible because people know those things [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► and then it's also got the the you know [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► the fact is we're talking about a [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► struggle between good and evil here [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► universal struggle between good and evil [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and it's kind of interesting to frame [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► that you know bigger context of the [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► universe with the smaller context of [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► what people on earth know about about [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► that struggle through their religion i [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► just i love i love the fact that that it [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► just puts it all out there in 11 big one [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► big mix instead of saying no no we can't [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► talk about that we don't know we can [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► don't mention Jesus we can talk about [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► him or information science we can't talk [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► about it is that since both they're both [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► infuriated was like when when I was [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► little my mom would ask you know what [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► religion do you think the memories are [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► and I I never had a good answer for it [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► because i mean if if they are any [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► religion in particular their christian [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► because there you go through talking [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► about the Bible they're talking about [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► the quotes from the Bible and guardian [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► angels and all that kind of thing but [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► she doesn't really specify she doesn't [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► go beyond that and I kind of like that [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► so that you know if you grew up catholic [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► regroup Episcopalian regroup you know [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► whatever variety you could identify with [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► them and maybe more so at in the period [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► of you know when it was written but you [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► know you you could see yourself in their [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► situation a little bit maybe just [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► because yet garden I was viewed as sort [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► of garden-variety mid-twentieth century [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► American religion right American [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► Protestantism right yeah exactly exactly [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► and they were you know it's like sure [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► people know about that and maybe they [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► only go to church on easter sunday or [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► maybe the they don't go to church very [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► much but they send their kids to Sunday [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► School which is what happened with me my [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► parents go to church but I went to [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► Sunday school for a while I don't get [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► that but that was what that was what it [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► was and and sang in the choir [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► ok mother wouldn't let me go to Sunday [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► school or Catholic school because she [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► was like that will destroy your faith I [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► went ok [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► oh yeah oh oh no nothing yeah and that's [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► tapping religion with a bunch of errands [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► probable that was thinking that they're [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► probably Unitarian that was my guess [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► yeah sure whatever scientist also what I [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► love about this book is all the cultural [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► signifiers that she does drop later as [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► you're going through school and you [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► finally doing camera handling the wild [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► for the first time in the name and [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► Fortinbras comes up boom the penny drops [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► for you because you know that's why in [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► the dark Orton browser or something and [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► similar to god I can't even think of [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► half the culture half of the cultural [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► name-checks that go on that the dog's [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► name is always stood out for me just [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► because you know who in the world names [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► their dog for well some really you know [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► I iconoclastic scientist types with [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► their bohemian ways in their lab in the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► back bedroom and they're they're in the [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► garage or whatever it is and I don't [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► know is that is that almost like a [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► fantasy view of like the ultimate super [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► cool science family he's weirdly [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► optimistic outlook surprise and again [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► i'm kind of surprised people came out 62 [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► because it creates Betty Ford an and it [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► also goes to show that Madeleine L'Engle [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► had no exposure to actual working [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► scientists because yeah well be okay [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► first of all and i say this is somebody [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► who spent all four years of her [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► undergrad firing up a Bunsen burner [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► everyday for different class for it in [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► different labs um if you're doing the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► type of science mrs. Morrow was doing [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► the kind of equipment you need you can't [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► just you know go down to your local [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► hardware store and and then oh and it [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► and jerry rig that together be her [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► husband's equipment that he got from the [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► government but it's still a physicist [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► she's a bio yeah it was no your eyes for [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► mitochondrial right it's real oh yes [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► with the mitochondria I do i do remember [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► that yes you know it's it's basically [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► this fantasy and i also wonder how much [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► of that is Lange goals [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► it is a product of her time were so it's [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► ok for mrs. murder have a new identity [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that fulfills her but the important [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► things that she's still running the home [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► however idiosyncratically and she still [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► cooks you're still making ironically [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► enough even she's making dinner and in [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► three actually puts on a burner cook [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► book based on because when I got to [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► college that was one of the first things [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► i asked my team was do you guys ever [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► cook on Bunsen burners I grew up reading [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► this book where they always cooked on [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► Bunsen burners and he's like [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► no but we can try and so we did [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► that's yeah you know it is it is funny [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► that her out there with her things [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► because it is sort of like honey I'm [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► doing science out here like this not [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► what do you what kind of science you're [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► doing scientific kind involving burners [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► what has science done either science [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► alright also making stew yes [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► try not to mix up my stew with my [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► science my liverwurst and cream cheese [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► sandwiches all my god [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► any other thoughts you guys have about [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► their religious aspects of it i mean it [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► is intertwined with this whole thread [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► about individualism that we see early on [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► with a with a megan Charles Wallace sort [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► of being ostracized and trying to assert [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► their you know be yourself and be proud [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► of who you are which has a you know it's [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► a big thing that I I loved in this book [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► because that was definitely it something [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► that I felt in in my childhood and then [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► at the end when they go to Camazotz and [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► they've got the this entire society [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► that's basically been turned into a [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► hivemind a group mind with this thing [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► called it which is it turns out just as [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► described in the book and depicted in [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the graphic novel a big squishy brain on [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► the table but it's representative of the [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the group mind and it's a disembodied [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► brain there it's yeah well right well [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► don't know what it is it's a red it's a [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► red brain in with the right then so [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► there's that so that's the flip side of [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► it is the is the this is a place where [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► everybody conforms and everybody is [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► exactly the same and it's individualism [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► like i said i had that moment like it's [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► gonna get really weird and I'm gonna [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► tell you about you know about communism [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► or in the rugged individualism or [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► anything like that it never gets that I [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► mean there is a pulsating bring on the [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► table and yet I wouldn't say it gets [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► super weird just sort of base level [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► weird and it fits in with those other [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► themes of individualism that don't [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► aren't necessarily like in in soviet [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► russia brilliant girl dollar of [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► scientists will sit at her desk right [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► it's not like that's what not what [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► they're trying to the subject Hassan's [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► ball bounce you [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► oh yeah yes the poor kid who wants to [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► bounce this ball and his torture [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► horribly formats [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► it's kind of rough do ya got a brutal i [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► think the book as a whole pushes buttons [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► on a lot of issues but it never goes you [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► know it pushes it about halfway and then [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► takes the handoff the thing the the [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► button and put your hand on it and says [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► okay how do you feel about this [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► mhm and it back it puts a lot of the big [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► questions and a lot of the thoughts [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► regarding it and regarding religion and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► regarding how science flavors the book [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► into the readers hands or at least it [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► feels like that to me if you're right [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► I'm I like it [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► she has extraordinary respect for her [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► readers intelligence that one hmm [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► and when your child that's what you want [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► is for for an author not to talk down to [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► you when one of the things i found [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► really interesting this time through was [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► that you know again going back to the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► religion a little bit is that it's the [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► place where everybody knows and believes [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► the same thing and does the same thing [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► and acts the same way and that's what's [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► it's like wow that's really interesting [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► the pulsating brain is is it's so so [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► hopeful our son does this graphic novel [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► have you all look at the graphic novel [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► oh yeah i bought it and granted ok you [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► know I i really liked it i really [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► enjoyed reading it having only vague [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► memories of the book too because I got [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► to play the game of like is this real [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► it was really like this and then reading [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► a book and 10 yeah it's it's it's so [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► amazingly faithful and it helps that the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► original novel is like 200 pages long [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► and the paperback that I've gotten [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► that's what kind of like some spacing [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► and big type and so it turns to this [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► graphic novel that is so faithful in [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► some ways because it's you know it's 390 [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► pages but mostly you know that [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► essentially all the dialogue that's in [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► the book is in the graphic novel and and [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► even stuff like the pulsating brain on a [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► table that's actually what is in the [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► book there is it is a big quivering [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► bring the Communist thank you Lisa brain [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► mhm yes yes but I i was really impressed [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► i i i know the fear of a lot of people [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► in [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► in taking something that's a beloved [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► childhood book and doing an adaptation [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► like this is that you're gonna overwrite [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► your memories of your sort of mental [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► images and for whatever reason you know [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► when i read it the stuff that i [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► remembered from reading the book i was [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► just nodding and going yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► that's about right [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► yeah our style is so unique in a way [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that it it let's get it on ments your [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► your viewing experience I said that [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► earlier in the podcast but reading [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► through the graphic novel the way that [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► she illustrates and the way that she [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► carries you through the story is almost [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► a little bit dreamlike like all of her I [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► her brush drive i'm going really [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► technically r know the way that she [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► illustrated this book is very freeform [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► and very flowing and in a certain way it [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► feels very dreamlike and it feel it [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► doesn't it doesn't overwrite the [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► memories that I have of the book and it [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► doesn't overwrite this the way I picture [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► characters in the way that i picture you [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► know be supreme beings and and aliens [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and planets but it's a wonderful it's [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► almost like a viewing portal into the [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► here is this universe of a wrinkle in [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► time here is how this person sees a [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► wrinkle in time and like the book you [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► can find places where you go oh yeah [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► like this is totally what I saw or this [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► is different than what I saw but still [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► not wrong it's you know it's traveling [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► different timelines i have never seen [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► such a painfully accurate depiction of [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► adolescence as what the way make [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► memories is is drawn through this entire [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► book every line in every frame that [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► she's in you can just feel the the [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► jangling of her nerves and the ruling of [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► her emotions and the confusion and fear [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► and uncertainty and the whole book to me [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► has that same feel to it which i think [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► is perfect for the underlying message [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► and that the heroines journey as it were [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► you know it's funny the in reading the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► book especially when your kid reading [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► the book you're not really sure about [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► the ages and and it for me it was harder [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► to picture them and and reading in the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► graphic novel what one thing I really [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► liked about this not only is it very [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► clear sort of like the age differences [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► you said she's that you know she is a [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► age you know just in adolescence [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► yeah but what I love about it is in the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► book it describes her [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► well it's not just description it's her [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► interaction with her mother where her [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► mother they say oh you know her mother [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► is beautiful and I and you know where as [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► Megan's plain awful and her mom says [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► something like no no that I would i look [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► like you did when I was your age and and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► you should you know just just wait and [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► it's tough [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► adolescence is tough and all your all [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► your parts of your body and your face [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► are growing at different rates and it's [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► all out of sync but it will all work out [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► and one of the nice things about the way [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► that hope larson draws Meg in this book [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► is that at times she looks incredibly [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► awkward and adolescent yes and then at [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► other times you're like oh yeah i can i [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► can see she's gonna she's going to be [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► beautiful like her mother growing and [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► she's just not you know it's just kind [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► of here and there and shifting around [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► which is exactly what it's like [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► yeah well this is really nice passage in [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► the book itself where they talk about [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► you know Meg had tried to blow off some [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► steam at recess by roughhousing and the [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► girls in her greater like we don't do [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► that anymore because we are no longer [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► children and then a few paragraphs later [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► it mentions that when her hair was still [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► in the braids that she had worn through [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► grammar school it was fine but now that [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► she had cut it to fit in with the rest [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► of high school kids she could never get [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► her hair right and struck out all over [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► the place and it was just such a perfect [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► metaphor for she was good at being a [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► child because she didn't carry them [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► about how different she was but she's [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► terrible being an adolescent because [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► nothing fits and the art is exquisite [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► and what the way all of the pickles with [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► me and maker drawn you just feel very [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► conscious of somebody who goes from [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► place to place not feeling like she [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► quite fits she quits in and how she's [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► going to deal with that I don't find [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► I didn't find the book particularly [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► beautiful Armour first read-through [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► because it was making me feel antsy [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► uncomfortable it wasn't until I figured [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► out that the book was doing a really [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► good job of channeling of a creative [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► visual representation of adolescents [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► once I figure out that's why and I'm on [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► edge i could sink into a little bit more [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► and step back from a bit and and begin [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► to appreciate the ways in which i mean [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► Larson's got beautiful command over the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► way she could she yeah she draws people [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► especially [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► the the graceful lines of their hands of [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► the way that they hold themselves in [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► relation to other people but it took me [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► a couple tries to to get through it [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► that's what one of her thankless task is [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► that she also has to render the the [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► aliens the teachers and that's you know [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► that's where your you know your [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► imagination is pitted against reality as [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► you can you know it turns out that you [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► know hope larson is going after going [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► off of the very specific descriptions in [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the book but you know as a reader you [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► can discard and what whatever you don't [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► want to take and imagine whoever you [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► like and she needs to be a little more [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► faithful and I thought you know they're [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► there are moments like with the and [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► beast [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► I've always sort of a piece more as a [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► collection of lame smells weird to see [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► are depicted physically but it is [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► accurate that it's these weird kind of [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► like multi-armed multi fingered [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► creatures with like indentations in [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► their heads but not actual it was [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► interesting and weird but i think [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► faithful it turns out the one the one [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► that really gets me is again we're back [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► to our our Center rainbow angel people [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► and that one is really bizarre but it's [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► also completely accurate that that [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► that's the way it's described it's just [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► kind of funny that that is weirder in [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► the graphic novel fit in the book [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► because you just have to accept that [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► yes but it is going to be a big centaur [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► rainbow person and but it's beautiful [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► it's well done [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► it's just weird and it just struck me [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► that that you know what what you can [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► just discount when you're as a reader [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► you're like me i don't like that i'm not [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► going to even think about that i'm gonna [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► cast somebody else in that part and the [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► graphic novel hope Larson's doing the [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► casting and we have to follow and she [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► did a great job but it you know she you [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► know she she has to make those creative [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► decisions we get basically taking metal [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► ingles cues [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► oh yeah absolutely one of the things I [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► loved was you know I i I'd come and [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► looking at how would I adapt it because [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► I've done that [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► yeah and you know it's it's really [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► interesting how even in the very [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► beginning she she doesn't do exactly the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► same opening all the details are there [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► but she entered cuts them and weaves [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► them together differently [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► and does it very economically it's it's [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► very much a show don't tell kind of [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► thing and so in just a few panels we [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► have almost that entire first chapter [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► and it's all there and it's a slightly [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► different order and and going through [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► the whole graphic novel then it's like a [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► great i was just fascinated by the [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► choices she was making in what to show [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► when and in which order and and how it [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► worked i'm a huge amount of care [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► yeah okay taken with it because i mean [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► it's it's been adapted into a play and [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► an opera and a miniseries that was [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► turned into a bad movie because it was [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► apparently a bad miniseries and at the [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► Madeleine L'Engle was interviewed and [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► they stay asked her did it meet your [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► expectations and she said yes I expected [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► it to be bad and it was no disney i will [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► i've never watched any of the adaptation [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► and don't think I don't think I ever [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► will [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► there's only one good wrinkle in time [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► adaptation it is 90 seconds long and it [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► was made I think last year the year [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► I'm as part of the 92nd newbury video [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► contest and it is it's basically a bunch [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► of child just a bunch of kids who seem [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► to be part of the same family acting out [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► wrinkle in time and very sweet fashion [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and it's beautiful 3 l's passed I passed [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► down all right kids let's go to the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► Lincoln yeah I I admit David that i was [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► i was reading the book after having read [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► the graphic novel i went back to the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► book and I was thinking how would you [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► make this into a into a TV series camera [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► or a TV movie or a movie and and you [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► know i think it could it could be done [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► and done well but i wouldn't lay odds on [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► it right about i think it could I think [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► it clearly doesn't animated one travel [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► well yeah I mean you could you could [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► absolutely do that but i was thinking [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► about lifestyle you know it's not [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► unreasonable that the-the-the there are [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► some the aliens are a little bit weird [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► but these days you can you can kind of [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► do anything but so much of it is about [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► about the kids and when they get to [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► Camazotz it's just a town you know [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► was not that is something about this [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► that's a sci-fi reader that's convenient [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► everybody speaks everybody understands [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► everybody else you know the the go to [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► this far-off planet of Camazotz and it's [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► it's just a town on a planet like you [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► know presumably they have onions kid [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► with bouncing a ball i mean they're not [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► there they're people right there not [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► aliens or anything or just kind of other [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► people so you know it's it's it's outer [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► space achill when it needs to be and it [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► was the Southern California suburb and [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► it's just a parable women needs to be [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► you know that which is fine i don't mind [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► it's it's actually kind of fun i was i I [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► actually was thinking about Doctor Who [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► for a little bit while I was reading [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► this because it struck me as being very [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► similar in the sense to creations from [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► the early sixties in the sense that that [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► the the details with scientific details [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► of it weren't really the point and so [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► they didn't matter right and that it was [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► really about the the gestalt of the you [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► know it's just sort of like look at [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► story make a go of it it doesn't stop [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► don't stop to ask me about why this town [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► has been this planet have humans on it [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► when the other places have aliens just [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► it's need no it's not the point of the [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► story and I felt like that with this to [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► which I like I know it drives some [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► particular kinds of sci-fi fans crazy [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► because they really want it to be like [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► completely scientifically explainable [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► and accurate and all that but it's you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► know it's it's not it's not meant to be [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► and I was fine with it but I had that [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► moment of like sure there are rainbow [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► centaurs ok let's sure there's the smell [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► they hit the furry smell people who [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► can't see anything [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► alright that's cool right now I don't [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► need to think about how they evolved to [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► that I just it's fine and actually i [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► really love that we didn't mention that [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► but a beast and her people they can't [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► see so make has to try to explain what [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► light is to them which is fascinating [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► like oh well there's the warm part of [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► the day and there's the cold part of the [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► day but I don't know what you're talking [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► about light and she had that realization [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► like wow they I thought they were really [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► sad because they can't see anything but [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► they've totally got like five or six [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► more senses than I have and I'm [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► completely clueless to them and I [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► thought that was a really nice bit of of [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► thinking outside of of of your own [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► person [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► your own perspective that for a kids [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► book is really great again about the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► different point of view [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► yeah and it comes towards the very end [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► of the book worm eggs already been [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► forced to confront the fact that [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► different people have different points [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► of view that are equally valid and by [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► not understand by not trying to [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► understand she's making them so much of [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► an outsider's the people who insist on [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► making her an outsider right if I were [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► adapting this i think i might take out [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► the happy medium though I really don't [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► know why that is [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that's a Daffy interlude you know I me [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► give you a little bit of backstory oh [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► you were a star you give up your life [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► 100 earth is awful and and but but but [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► you know Calvin's mom abuses and but you [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► know they're there but it's like it's [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► weird it's weird let's go to happy [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► medium she's got a crystal ball she's [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► gonna tell us about our past and our [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► future she passes out and then oh I'm [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► really tired from watching you from [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► showing these things to go well actually [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► let's go Calvin O'Keefe for a minute [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► they really go over the course of the [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► first three books because again the the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► ones that I think most of us and [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► Generation X read you know we've [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► established that his home life is not [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► great his father drinks way too much hit [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► it beats the kids his mother beats the [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► kids he somehow manages to emerge from [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► this completely unscathed [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► despite these horrific details that come [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► out in subsequent books where where we [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► find out that basically his mother had [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► to marry the first man who came along [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► because her stepfather was um was [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► getting ready to to sexually assault her [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and and yet albums that is incredibly [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► well adjusted incredibly even-tempered [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► genius guy who handles and really [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► handles and really girlfriend wife does [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► that I I've always had really mixed [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► feelings because it seems i'm not sure [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► if this isn't meant to be empowering 22 [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► fell to children who are growing up in [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► similarly similarly dire situation [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► saying you know relax your special you [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► can get through this or if this is just [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► incredibly dismissive of how hard it is [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► to grow up under those circumstances [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► mmm and as i get older i find it more [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► and more problematic huh i don't know i [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► mean knowing the people that I do have [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► come from similar households i would say [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► that especially being the eldest [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► in that kind of a household you do build [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► up a certain i'd only want to say [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► tolerance a certain you you have to grow [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► up very quickly and you have to be very [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► much the the person in charge and the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► person who has their stuff together [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► because no one else does and I i see a [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► lot of that in Calvin but yeah I mean I [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► think you're absolutely right in terms [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► of that's that is only one picture of [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► that kind of scenario in but in this in [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► this book I feel like a you know [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► Calvin's role is I mean it's kind of [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► interesting because they just kind of [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► run into him but I i feel like i mean [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► he's there to be part of the gang and to [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► be supportive and to be a love interest [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► you know it promise of a love interest [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► for Meg but i think is number one role [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► is to be like sort of like the twins but [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► but in that he's socially capable but [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► not like the twins and that we see with [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► him on and and they don't get to show [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► this in this book that that he really [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► does your inform or and that him being [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► popular is actually kind of a prison for [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► him and I feel like that's like the [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► really hit the own not the only the most [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► by far the most important thing that he [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► does in this book is just to be kind of [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► like a connection for Meg of you know [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► he's like her [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the end just because he's popular [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► doesn't mean he's happy and doesn't mean [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► that you know he is secretly frankel [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah just another another color in [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► the in the in the palette of freakiness [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► well he's a grounding force in some ways [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► and then make becomes his grounding [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► force in terms of where they're holding [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► learning have their tests are acting [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► here when it you know going back to the [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► the thought of how much set up there is [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► it's also you know you sort of build [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► this sense of comfort with the [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► characters and with their lives so that [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► when they're ripped out of it and thrown [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► across the universe and everything it's [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► that much more dramatic because we've [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► we've gotten used to their family life [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► now too [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► that's why i love the first half of this [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► book it and i wouldn't complain about [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► the fact that it the the plot is crammed [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► into [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► like four chapters at the end in many [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► ways I mean in many ways it really is [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► it's like really they're going to [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► they're going to the planet now and at [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► last couple chapters like wow they're [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► going to result how are they going to [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► resolve this may do mr. Murray finally [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► gets ripped free and her was reunited [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► there's like three pages in their back [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► on their hillside behind the house y'all [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► well that's kinda gruff yeah but I don't [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► mind it because that the the first half [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► is so great and memorable and that the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► scene setting I mean it is very [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► important it all pays off later but it's [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► very important to to get that it's [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► really enjoyable too i mean i really [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► enjoyed the length of time spent on the [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► midnight snack during the hurricane [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► yeah is ridiculous and it's great right [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► it's incredible detail Charles Wallace's [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► down their makers downstairs he's [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► waiting for her she figured he'd come [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► upstairs but he's like no I knew you'd [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► come down [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► he's got the liverwurst and cream cheese [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► sandwiches and the mom comes out and [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► he's ready for her and you know it [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► incredible detail they're totally not [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► necessary accepted paints that wonderful [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► picture of their relationships and where [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► there you know how they all interrelated [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► to each other in this family and and [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► that's for me that stuff was actually [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► the most memorable 20 30 40 years later [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► was that stuff and not not the pulsating [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► brain on a table which I didn't remember [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► it all the kid with the ball i [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► remembered that kid but I wanted to [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► publish those cameras ads for a book or [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► book contest and so I've always wrong [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► with that big being protective of [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► Charles Wallace is something that I get [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► stuck with me all that time she was the [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► big sister who's going to get in fights [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► with other kids who said mean things [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► about her little brother that bubbles [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► now as an adult [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► it made sense to me because I I being [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► more than a few kids who picked on my [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► brother because i was his older sister [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► and and it was but it was my job to [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► Kellerman losses but I I went back and I [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► realized there's like a 10-year age [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► difference into them and I thought what [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► the hell kind of time is she living [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► where people are making fun of [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► four-year-olds 222222 a teenager's face [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► I mean you know what what what on earth [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► i hear that the same kind of town where [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► her father supposedly has disappeared to [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► go for another one [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► I mean it's a small town that that [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► family is the talk right you know when [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► they're not like them they're not from [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► there they're not like them it's [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► probably the rest of them probably been [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► there and their parents were there and [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► all that I grew up in a town like that [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► right and it will end was not one of [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► those families [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► I so I totally I totally get that you're [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► right it may be a little stretch the [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► extreme although even then that whole [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► thing is we're going to know that they [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► got that little one he's not right in [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► the head he's got the very using the [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► books that clever people often have [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► subnormal children and I and I thought [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► this is how you can tell the book was [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► written during the sixties is some [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► normal is used as a perfectly acceptable [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► dessert before you leave [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► oh yeah well in reality of people [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► wouldn't use something that polite [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► school on the business well now i know i [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► should point out also just because I'm [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► like this that Sawyer is reading a [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► wrinkle in time in a couple episodes of [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► lost which also feels and features time [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► travel and discussion of of religion and [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► other similar topics religion and faith [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► and i thought i should mention that [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► because of course the books that the [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► characters on lost read are meaningful [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► because they're selected by the [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► producers and and then of course there's [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► time traveling at two so you know [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► believe there is a I'm an interview [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► somewhere that said that wrinkle in time [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► was actually a weirdly big influence on [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► lost in some ways yeah you can see [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► yep yep I think so also i'm looking at a [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► google image search for a wrinkle in [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► time and I found like 80 different [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► covers because every edition of its [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► somebody's like hey let's Commission [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► illustration and some illustrator goes [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► flying horse angel people beside me up [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► and then they do this dreamed it and [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► there are so many so many here it's [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► amazing [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► including mine where they where he [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► stabbed in the back with a rainbow not [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► the best piece of art I do like that [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► they don't bother to show the people if [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► they show more the supernatural things [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► because i think it does let children and [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► adults my copies got kids riding on the [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► back of the rainbow [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► oh SI mi doesn't um although my copy of [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► a swiftly tilting planet features the [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► teenage Charles Wallace who look at [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► mighty seventies and a pair of Flair's [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► and chuck highlights in my pants [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► if you're almost back of feathered hair [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► thing yeah and he's riding like he's [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► reading gaudy or the unicorn and it is [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► the most glorious and Carter you're a [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► picture i have ever seen in my life [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► it's i love that cover so much so hope [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► Larson is far from the first person who [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► had to actually add adapt she just had [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► to tell the story where is everybody [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► else gotta got to say hey I'll have a [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► i'll have a rainbow centaur flying over [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► at all Mountain does that this super [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► cool maybe we'll be buying inspired the [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► if that's right i'll do that whereas the [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► wrinkly time graphic novel cover is the [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► kids [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► yeah and the stars and the stars and the [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► end and kind of a black hole it's all i [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► really love how they do it because [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► you've got the there's about two thirds [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► of the way down the hardcover copy that [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► I've got there's this this this [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► luminescent blue band and it goes from [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► these these silhouettes of the children [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► to the closeup of their faces they're [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► reacting where Meg looks a little um [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► weary and Calvin looks openly stunned [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► but Charles Wallace's just kind of [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► common looking around and I love the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► juxtaposition of their faces and [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► postures with their little silhouettes I [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► think it is a good job [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► think it is a good job [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► um demonstrated the inter the the short [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► and long journeys they had to take this [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► is your cover the one that's got the [TS]