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incontrovertible no they weren't 446
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april 2013 welcome back to being
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comfortable podcast I'm Jason smell your
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host we are going to talk about
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something in this episode that we have
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previously denied all knowledge of and
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once this episode is done we will bend
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my all knowledge of again our topic
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tonight is a fine
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well okay a film that was released in
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1999 will let you make your own value
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judgments it is star wars episode 1
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colon the Phantom Menace emphasis on the
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colon yes so joining me to talk about
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this is a quite a panel we've assembled
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everybody was just lining up because
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they wanted to talk about this movie and
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more in hi Dan
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hi Jason thanks for no no no thank you
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thank you
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I don't want to be here I'm gonna make
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gunpoint lightsaber point give me glory
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point so you are you doing this podcast
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/ protest hope I mean I do all my
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pockets really technically under protest
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this one is even more under protests
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even worse okay fair enough
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welcome good to have you here haha haha
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serenity Caldwell is also here hello
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hello also slightly under protest
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although I think I'm more mad at Dan
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because i watched episode 11 it was out
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in theaters because my parents wanted to
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go see it in 3d and then he made me
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watch it again because he had not like
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you say that I've made you want because
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i saw this in the theaters to get into
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that no no I mean I saw this when it was
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re-released like six months ago I
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thought you should hear the one
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everybody there is enough blame to go
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around this is just the blame podcast
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let's get this out of the way Steve
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what's is also here you heard him
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laughing about blame
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hi Steve yep dead to me lots a more
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convincing EP and I say again because
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once apparently is not enough
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now Monty ashley is here he was he's
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gonna bring a much-needed level of
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sanity or insanity
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I'm not sure which to the proceedings
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haimanti thanks for being here i am
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pleased to be here i was pleased to
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watch this movie
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they're also dead to me and then to
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people who i'm very glad to have on this
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podcast
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first off because you got the other guys
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are fine they're fine but but I'm glad
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great losses here we haven't heard him
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talk about star wars since the first
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Star Wars podcast we did where we we
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were recorded for about five hours and I
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think his wife like made him sleep in
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the basement for a week after that Greg
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welcome back
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you're on my list snow yeah I'm I've
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been on your list for like 18 years now
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and John siracusa of course is here
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despite I think there was a court order
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or something that you know despite his
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protests he is here and apparently did
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rewatch star wars episode 1 the Phantom
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Menace hai jaan i'm assuming counselors
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will be available against this episode
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to talk to us about our any feelings we
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might have yeah talk us down the special
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hotline on standby man i'm impressed job
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is John Ryu from the fetal ball
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I'm impressed with John watch the movie
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that doesn't exist well according to him
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that's why me why me would be well
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that's what we had to do I I'd like to
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start actually because I I sensed a
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great with his servants in the forest
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and that disturbance which was made out
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of midi-chlorians i believe it's sort of
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a cloud midi-chlorians suggested that I
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ask if anybody John siracusa had any
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opening remarks that they would like to
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make before we get started I prepared a
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brief statement that John thoughts i do
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have a brief opening statement
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yes this is like the opening of
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Nuremberg yes it's it's it's it is i
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think i've said all the same things
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before but they belong here in this
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place in this episode I will be brief so
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we've done a bunch of episodes of star
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wars before three beloved movies that
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make a nice little story the first we
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meet Luke and the last movie Vader's
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dead empires defeated Luke is a Jedi
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sorry if you want to the spoiler horn
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for that too late
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yeah there's just one wrinkle in the
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middle movie we learned that Vader is
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Luke's father and this is the seed of
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prequels so the prequels are not more
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adventures in the star wars universe or
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tiny started seed that no one wanted to
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see go in the first place and it's not
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like learning about you know minor
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characters or whatever the seat of the
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prequels is the is the fact Vader is
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Luke's father right so the Star Wars
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prequels I see them have one job explain
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how the good man who was Luke's father
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became Darth Vader that's that's the
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reason these movies exist and I know if
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we're going to do episode 2 & 3
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God please let's not i was right but
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either way I want to make one
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overarching point before we begin this
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accurately here we have been doing here
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yeah forget for a moment about the
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terrible script bad acting Jar Jar Binks
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all that stuff the greatest sin of the
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Star Wars prequels is that they failed
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to provide a compelling rationale story
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of how Anakin Skywalker became Darth
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Vader i'm sure we'll talk about all the
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other problems in the rest of this
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episode here but above and beyond all of
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that is this essential truth I the
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prequels had one job to do as far as I'm
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concerned and they blew it and they
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didn't just blow it they're blue in a
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spectacular fashion and I presume that
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is what we will talk about for the rest
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of this episode I i will go ahead as an
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addendum to Jones excellent excellent
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allowing which which I agree with
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wholeheartedly is that more than that
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because they failed so protected this
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they also kind of to a certain extent
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compromise the original trilogy in that
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their existence reveals something that
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is considered you know a major plot
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twist of the original trilogy which to
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me is problematic because how do you
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deal with the fact that you go into
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these like if you watch them in the
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supposed order starting episode 1 and
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moving forward the ending of empire is
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basically is spoiled and and as one of
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the great moments of the original
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trilogy that that i find i find
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unforgivable empires not that good
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anyway but that's not this room's fault
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that's a different movies fault is it
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that this is the first movie leading up
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to it i will say there is a way to get
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around that which is the only way i can
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conceivably consider watching the Star
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Wars prequels which is machete order
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which i'm sure we'll talk about later
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but still my main problem with this
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movie in
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earlier is that the person with the most
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fleshed-out character uh who has the
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most interesting dialogue back and forth
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and dialogue exchange Richard future is
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r2d2 Archie takes a close second he has
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a hot scene with Pompey too well that's
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the thing
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alright so r2d2 can't actually speak in
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words or at least we get to make up
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whatever he's saying yeah so he
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automatically has carlines yeah yeah
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always filthy everything he says little
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he's a droid what do you expect he's
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mirroring what I'm thinking as I'm
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watching the film yes but no it's it's
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the slave parts dealer it's Watteau
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water was the only person who's a good
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3d character in this movie and he's not
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even three you know the only part of him
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that's technically 3d is the CGI that
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made him and yet he is the most
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compelling character in this movie this
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is a movie that has liam neeson and ewan
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mcgregor in it and the most compelling
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character is a cgi winged thing that's
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not our tutor and rgtu well r2 d2 is
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awesome
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regardless he wins the world whatever
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alright thank you any other opening
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statements before I call my first
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witness there are reasons that these
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movies exist other than to make a profit
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I realize that's a goal of every movie
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that's made but this movie came in with
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enormous cultural expectations and they
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didn't even attempt to fulfill them by
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including any art you know John talks
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about the goal of the movie that the
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thematic endpoint that they were
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supposedly shooting for but it was just
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time to make more money right well night
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because I think there was that that seed
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of the movie is like like this that the
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Star Wars movies make a nice whole story
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and there's just one little thing left
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you like oh yeah but like but what about
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later yeah i know i saw the whole story
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so I had ended and everything but like
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what what about how did you get to be
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that guy because I heard in the first
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one that he was a good guy anybody in
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this bag that is like the only untied up
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loose ends and if you really need a star
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was like yeah I bet that's an
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interesting story turned out but yeah
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like so that's one of those interesting
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stories loose
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is that you don't want to explain no I
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like you you can splatter if you can
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come up with your own solution on that
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one you can explain it with a good story
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isn't there could've been another good
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story there
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I I groove John I'm either wasn't but i
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think i think you know the idea of
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having I think that I willing to give
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Lucas the benefit of the doubt in that
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he intended well when he set out on this
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journey but he just massively failed in
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the execution of what you again i don't
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think it was like a money-grab like it's
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not like oh well actually we already had
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more money than completely
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self-contained story and there's no
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reason for it there was a reason it's
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not like he had 20 G's well we we just
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wrapped up everything and there's
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nothing i'll have to invent all new
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characters you didn't you didn't need
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the middle because you had Anakin he
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deserved busy you know
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and in fact there's a failure we can go
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into not inventing more people i know
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what I'm saying like it's not as if it's
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not as if there without they're gonna we
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really need to make some new Star Wars
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movies but there's really nothing more
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site now they're totally was like i mean
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i think the the three after like the
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original nine plan or whatever like the
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three after you could argue boy then
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what are you going to say but for the
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prequels there was a reason for them to
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exist and I think that's why everyone
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was so excited about them because you
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there there wasn't like this reputation
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of like oh my God we're going to be
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about of course they were going to be
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about you know Anakin Vader thing
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yeah everybody wanted to see obi-wan
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teaching Anakin because we'd heard about
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the idea of wanting to see this lead
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they could be told here but the the way
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it was told was really bad i mean i
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to train this guy who was not capable of
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training and it is interesting to us to
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see this guy who has become the mentor
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how did he screw up so badly like wasn't
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really his fault I mean and how did this
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person who is you know supposedly
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there's a whole you know the father
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motivation was to tell that story
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why didn't they even make a glance and
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doesn't you know it doesn't work because
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good prequels and Lucas thought he was
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making one he's not a good storyteller
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even if you just want a pic like that
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like godfather part two where they're
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like oh do we really need to see the
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backstory the guy who died in the first
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Godfather yeah if you do it well it's
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good you know what can I don't think the
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four star wars i don't think there's any
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way that they could have possibly made
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this story that would not have
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disappointed 9400 i think i think you're
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right i think that's probably true but
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but but they managed to disappoint a
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hundred percent which is a pre-action
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exactly i I don't think feeling in the
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back story fundamentally means that
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you're going to ruin everything I i
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think that it and this could be an epic
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failure analysis if we wanted to go into
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their but you know for me I look at this
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something conceived as three movies and
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the first movie kind of doesn't need to
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exist in a lot of ways in every way that
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the character of a mannequin in this
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movie is an important you know the stuff
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in star wars that always fascinated me
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about the back story was about you know
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a yorkie i was teaching i was training
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your father and he was a great pilot and
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then we find out in the Indian empire
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strikes back that he became Darth Vader
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we don't get that story in episode one
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we get the story of this little kid this
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little little kid who apparently is a
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prodigy and he and there's this other
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guy who is an obi-wan who meets him and
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it you know it's not the story you know
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at all that's the stem is example we
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were promised and not in a good way it's
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sort of like why did why does this movie
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even exist it you know a and it sets up
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and then it sets up things that they
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can't deliver on in other movies that's
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for me that's the feeling of this movie
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isnot that this movie was trying to do
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an unwinnable task i think i think it
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just it
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is misconceived and I think miss slotted
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in the in as episode 1 of a
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three-episode arc because they had
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already numbered the other ones and so
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they had to do it this way and 10 G's
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what are we going to do in the first
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movie well he'll be a little kid well
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it's not very interesting you know one
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of the things about this movie that that
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Star Wars has that this movie doesn't is
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the backstory tell me anything about
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qui-gon that happened before the first
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he had a beard he grew a beard anything
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he wants to grow a beard grew his secret
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is a long about the light saver he was
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stuck with obi-wan against his will
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there is no you did you know what the
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backstory is the backstories the crawler
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experiencing the Trade Federation
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dispute to worst worst Carla Yankee you
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know you're in for a treat when the word
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taxation appears in the first paragraph
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don't think that's cool then and then
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shipping turns up in the second
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paragraph the first 20 seconds of this
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movie you're perfect it's got the
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Lucasfilm logo it's got the the
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beginning of the music and it's got star
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wars fading into a star field and that
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if it's all downhill from there write it
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right up to the point where you see the
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fifth episode 1 the fence and then it's
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okay we're good and then it's just down
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know the thing for me that I really gave
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me the the whole tremendous suction is
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gonna get going i agree with that but
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we've all we've all come to terms with
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that to a certain extent but for me it
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was the moment I really love to the
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teaser for that first put out which has
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the Anakin introduces a shader
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silhouette and like oh yeah that's kind
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of subtle that's kinda cool i like that
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idea like that seems cool let's go with
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dad what that's going to be about that
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that is not in the movie but not even
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really addressed the final bit of
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subtlety this is this movie is sure to
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be a nuanced where where is he where is
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this kid where's the darkness in this
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kid at all
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he's angry he misses his mom does say
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you pee a lot which really just gets
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gets the bottom of your soul and scrapes
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before before we talk about the the
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excellent excellent and yes you did
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thank goodness we got that out of the
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way I wanted before I want to talk about
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anticipation for a minute just to
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explore this with everybody
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this movie was so incredibly hyped to
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the point where i remember very
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distinctly the 60 Minutes interview with
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with George Lucas I don't remember if
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you get i don't know if you guys
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remember that but that where where steve
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Kroft or somebody like breathlessly
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followed him around on the set and in
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Tunisia and things like that and I mean
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literally people were saying this is
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gonna be one of the greatest movies ever
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oh my god Star Wars back and now they've
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got all this new technology and it's
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gonna be so great
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oh my god it's gonna be so amazing like
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amazing amazing like I remember articles
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saying it's going to be up for best
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picture i kid you not so so I'm curious
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what you guys all have in terms of your
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memory of anticipating this movie maybe
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it was jinxed I i can tell you i mean i
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remember reading about it i was in
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rochester which is where my my mom's
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family lives for like Christmas or
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something and I remember buying a copy
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of the like there's a star wars magazine
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like a fan magazine or something like a
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science-fiction book shop and I remember
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opening it up and reading the casting
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information because i remember seeing
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Natalie Portman was casted I didn't
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really know who she was that point
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because that was what like 1997 probably
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again so young but he was 12 years old
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dan can you can you imagine life before
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you-know-who natalie portman within the
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professional well I hadn't seen the
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professional because i was only said no
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that is that is a frightening time for
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their kids born today that don't fit
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they'll never know world without Natalie
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I mean that's awesome I kind of envy
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them but i remember reading about it and
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thinking like I don't you know I I the
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thing for me that resume the most was
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talking to one of my cousin's who's a
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bit older than me and her story of
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remembering she thought she was gonna
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die before return of the jedi came out
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to leverage because he was like a
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teenager when an empire came out and she
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was like oh my god Han Solo stuck in
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carbonite and what's gonna happen and
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everything like and I just remember
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thinking like I you know I will never
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see a Star Wars movie that comes out
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again in my life
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time because it's done it's over you
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know the best I could hope for was
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reading those timothy zahn books and the
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other books that came after them and
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believe me I read all of them and so the
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idea that there would be new movies in
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my lifetime I mean I had seen the rear
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releases and at that time because you
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know 97 was around the time that they
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released the original trilogy with the
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special editions and at that time being
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a untutored unwise seventeen-year-old I
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thought that's pretty cool some of these
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effects are kind of cool and so I still
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have that hope and I think I you know I
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managed to maintain it and and ride that
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wave right up until about actually you
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know it went through the first showing I
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gotta admit because my story about this
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is that i went to a midnight showing
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with a bunch of friends and we then went
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out afterwards at like two or three
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o'clock in the morning and spent an hour
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talking about the movie and dissecting
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it and then slept for like two hours and
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then got up and went back to the movie
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theater and saw it again and it must
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have taken at least you know I don't
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know a week or two before it's really
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started to set in because like you kind
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of had the suspicions after watching it
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like huh yeah yeah maybe that wasn't so
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good but there's a sort of Stockholm
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Syndrome the kicked in and I was like
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not Star Wars got to be good
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we're probably just understanding it
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wrong you've already talked yourself
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into letting all those books I like some
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of those books you're fundamentally
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broken in some way so when can i
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transfer that to the movie
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thanks i remember i didn't see it until
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the monday after it came out and by that
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point every person i work with or no had
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seen it at least once and most of them
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two or three times you couldn't help it
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the wave of excitement just pushed
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everybody into it
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yeah I i see it is like an continuous
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continuous weight from the end of Jedi
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like I I picture that as like there's a
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little part of my brain that is waiting
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on line like it's not a Jedi and goes
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boy I you know and then says okay well
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you sit here and get in line and then
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don't know it was a lot of years like
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the same look with the release of you
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editions and everything like that i was
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online take to be first in line to watch
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those like that's you know that that
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excitement that that marketing campaign
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really seen the original
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so the special edition despite like the
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new effects which I didn't like was
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really anti the new effects after i saw
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them and everything but it didn't matter
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i could see stars in the movie theater
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again and last time i had done that was
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you know it was Jedi and so it was just
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this incredible multi-year long wait
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like this is what my life has been
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leading up to it was like your kid you
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see Star Wars and then you wait and wait
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and wait and wait and wait and
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eventually finally this thing comes in
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when I when I put the stand movie in and
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watched it and like the the fanfare came
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up and the scroll and everything I had
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it was like it was like seeing movies of
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a car accident after being in a car
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accident I had that right like that
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feels i knew how that you have no idea
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how excited I was and it all came back
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to me is like PTSD is like i was i was
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the most amped-up I've ever been in a
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movie theater more amped up than I was
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when I saw the original trilogy because
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then you know your kid you like Oh what
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do you know maybe the beginning of Jedi
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was a little bit close to this crazy but
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I was like this is it like I've been
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waiting my whole life for this thing and
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yet and it's just I like they brought me
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back to that moment like that moment
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when the car hits you know you like I
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know you don't you know what's gonna
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hide it I didn't end of things I didn't
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think it would affect me in that way
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re seeing the movie like I thought I had
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moved on and then past or whatever but
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now it's like it because that you know
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that fanfare and that and that Lucasfilm
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thing like I've seen the original
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trilogy million times on you know on on
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DVD and everything doesn't have the same
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effect like it's just that this was so
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don't you remember that time and i
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believe i got to get tickets i was i was
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up all night and slept outside for it
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like it was it was a big thing and this
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that i would hope that in my life
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this will be the biggest letdown I've
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ever had in my entire life was Star Wars
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Episode what if we tell your children
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grow up
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uh-huh that's that's that's a good
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possibility but for now i have
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especially like it into I'm speaking for
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my parents uh in terms of like art you
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know what art is what what thing having
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to do with entertainment & arts
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disappointed you most in life that I
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feel like this is going to be a champion
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forever host prequel disappointment
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disorder is the name of what you're
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feeling
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John yeah it's
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episode one was such a weird thing for
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me because i was i was young enough that
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i must have seen it at least seven or
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eight times in theaters before I
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actually step back and went wait a
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second and I will also say that seven or
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eight times within the Union and like it
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was you know about eclipse
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it's a lot of population laps
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oh my god a bad father oh no it's funny
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though because the first you know the
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earliest thing that I can remember
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talking to people about on the internet
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was star worse you know the first BBS
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post i ever made in the first pen pal
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letters I sent over like AOL were about
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the Star Wars films and having them get
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rereleased originally the original
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film's get released in theaters in 97
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was a dream come true for me and my best
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friend Leah because we were complete not
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like we were taking cardboard boxes and
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building x-wings out of them because we
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were such like crazy crazy star wars
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nuts so for for me to kind of be like
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not all right so the original film's
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didn't come out during my lifetime but
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they're going to be new Star Wars movies
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and these are gonna be my star wars
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movies so great and you know so I like
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do you like I was in Middle School I
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know it's embarrassing i was in middle
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school and I did not go to the midnight
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showing for this one because i think i
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was like 12 or 13 but i did my my father
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got me out of school for the very first
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date i'm showing he bought me a
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lightsaber like a new fancy lightsaber
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the head noises and we went to the
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theater and I like waited in a super
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long line and you know you just you get
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so hyped up and you get so excited
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you're like star wars star star star
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stars and then you sent me watch it and
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you're sad trombone but yeah what it was
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it's weird it's kind of a shock right
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and you see all the music and it's just
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a to wean and it's got ships that are
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familiar and it's got Jedi and it's a
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lightsaber battle for the first time and
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how long and all the trappings you're
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like wow it is its star wars it's got
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all the stuff that Star Wars has in it
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and and so that you know and and we've
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never seen more of that I mean that
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there's that just moment i can't believe
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i'm watching a new star wars movie that
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that that was a powerful moment even if
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in hindsight like damn said you were
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like huh
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taxation trade disputes it all the other
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litany of things it was like but they
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were still like lightsaber battles and
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sith lords and Jedi and their there was
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enough there's enough feeding that part
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of you that you could stay amped for a
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little while just on the residual buzz
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from it until your until your conscious
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intellectual brain starts taking over
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how long did that take incidentally take
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me the first weekend because i was i was
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convinced that I had to watch it again
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like I'm like I must have missed
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something I must be too young for some
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of these references
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yeah I didn't get a road it's me know
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you totally you blaming you like it's me
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not you
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what's going on it's it's it's Star Wars
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made by ironically somebody who doesn't
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understand what's good about study and
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never absolutely
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you're absolutely right any one of the
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things I wanted to talk about and it
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came up on Twitter when we were all
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watching this movie so many of us watch
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this on sunday and where were tweeting
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because you've got to let the pain out
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somewhere so use twitter for that
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and somebody made the point about you
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know it's a movie for kids and kids like
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it and just like the originals were four
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kids and now we're all adults and we
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have hazy water-colored but what do we
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know about kids just little kids have
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bad taste
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they're all idiots you got it but here's
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the thing is good kids movies are
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appreciated also by adults and what I
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look at these movies I and I think about
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George Lucas saying hey the kids love
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him I made them for kids i look at it
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and I think you missed the point of why
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the old movies work because they weren't
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pandering to kids kids love them but so
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did their parents and so did
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twenty-year-olds they will have whatever
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he says they weren't kids movies they
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were aimed at adults and they had
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elements that kids enjoyed but they were
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not were kids there were not six months
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to a movie is definitely not a kids
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yeah there's a difference between kids
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movies and being sophomoric I mean they
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had the heady a had a child like level
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of sophistication children's material is
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more sophisticated in this movie like a
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like if you want to put look at this in
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the moving pieces in this movie and I
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was shocked by this rewatching it like I
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went into it thinking surely there will
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be some aspects of this movie that are
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competently done like they won't be
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parts that matter and it won't save the
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movie but surely i'll go and say you
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know what that part of the movie was
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reasonable filmmaking but this just
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wasn't friendly just basic like I mean
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maybe we'll go into this in more detail
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with a certain section but like it just
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execution-wise Sesame Street is better
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any children's program made things for
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infants are better in terms of execution
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not saying like material i could see not
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only babies goes but it's like there's a
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certain level execution that you bring
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to whatever it is that you're doing what
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about what descriptive know what
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anything is
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you know just simply execute and do a
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good job and what you to end this
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well okay let's talk about that though
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the sound of the movie the score is
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excellent the sound effects are okay
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before we before we get into the Oscars
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that are awarded like before the Oscar
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show starts
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I don't see this movie and 14 years and
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i was astonished at how bad the writing
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and acting work across and worldly
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girlfriend don't write their problem
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with this movie is it is a movie with no
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it is a music it is a movie that has
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some beautiful music some beautiful
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sound effects and beautiful visual
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effects but ultimately the failure is on
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the writer and the director both legs
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and booty
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yeah but they happen to be George Lucas
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but it's so obvious especially if you
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watch the prequels hand-in-hand with the
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original trilogy you look at the banter
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between characters you look at the
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flushed you know the the backgrounds of
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characters even just their tone of voice
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there is all hardly line in this movie
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that's not delivered in a flat monotone
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yeah i was thinking back to our radio
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play episode when I was watching this
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and I'm like that render would not let
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us get away with line readings like this
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and we are not actors and we have a
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budget of zero dollars and yet i was
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thinking particularly of the many many
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places in the scripture i imagine as an
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em dash after someone's dialogue in
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another person interrupts them and they
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were couples in our radio play script
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with any style i realize it's your areas
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is it rocket science to do those right
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like you know I don't think you need to
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be well there's two possibilities either
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Lucas didn't care or he thought the
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readings were just dandy
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yeah and my best guess is that he just
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he doesn't know how people actually and
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sometimes they're doing
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sometimes they're good actors like
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Natalie department has lines and you
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know she's a good actor but she does a
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reading where she's just like you just
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came out of a trailer and you just woke
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up or something from a nap and she read
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the line and it's terrible and that's
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the one they go with I actually think
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it's worse than that John might also so
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i watch this for my kids and and they
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had some interesting observations as i
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always do you know Darth Vader's office
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is really weird
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there James just wait but my wife came
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in she was doing something and she walks
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inches i go but this high think ya at
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amegy an observation because it was some
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scenes with natalie portman she said it
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seems to me because knowing that she's a
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good actress
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it seems to me like she was told to be
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flat that she was actually instructed
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yes don't yell vote be boring and it's
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baffling why you would do
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that other than to maybe get get closer
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to the the flatness of the the little
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boy you're acting against because
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otherwise you'll blow them out of the
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water but it's amazing and essentially
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you gotta be glad that she did go that
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route because that is our one and only
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character trait if you were to ask what
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what do you know about Queen Amidala
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that's the one thing you would say she's
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monotone she's not always monotone
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though she's more monotone as the queen
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she is the handmaiden that's because she
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is overall can clearly well yeah there
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they modulate her voice you talk about
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the characters even if you just went
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with the words on the page if Natalie
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Portman was able to give it you know a
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good reading and and show some feeling
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even with nothing else you would get the
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sense that there might be a human being
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there but even that is not there like
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it's not just that the dialogue doesn't
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let you know anything about who she is
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it's that anything that human might
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insert to make it seem more like a an
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extra dimension is fled away and it's
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just no no just read it flat just be as
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dull as flat as possible because you're
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not an interesting character not the
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parent of characters that people care
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about or anything down the road you're
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not gonna be boring and it's everybody's
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just as natalie portman it's everybody
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yeah we've seen her act so it's weird
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the interesting thing that I noticed
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while we watching this movie the latest
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time and I was looking for at this time
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everybody
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there's a there's a thing in directing
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right where when you're starting out as
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a director the one thing that you are
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told is try and avoid give younger
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actors line readings when you can
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obviously sometimes it needs to happen
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but for the majority of the time you
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shouldn't give your actors line readings
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you should let them try and find it and
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then tweak individual words individual
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sentences whatever needs tweaking when
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you watch this movie picture at all in
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George Lucas's voice and all of a sudden
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everything makes gifts complete sense in
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terms of the directing choices
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basically what happened at least from my
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perspective is that every single actor
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was given repeated line readings Jake
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Lloyd a lot of his dialogue is dubbed
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like I mean still be it still him but
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they basically went in did an ADR
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session and had had him basically they
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just dropped in pieces of lines over the
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footage that they had already done and a
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lot of this is just poor unfortunately
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poor directing on Lucas's part it's not
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even like there was there is a smidgen
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of good actor and Jake Lloyd I'm not
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afraid to say that uh but heat the way
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he was directed on this set is pitiful
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the way that all of the actors were
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directed on this set is completely
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horrifying they make Liam Neeson into a
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completely boring characters your stock
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stock wise you know he's so wise he's a
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wise figure
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oh I disagree I've i projected a whole
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backstory and inner life for quite God
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in my attempt to make this opening sense
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but should you have have you want
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anymore believe it's always it kind of
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up to the filmmaker to do the heavy
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lifting on that for you instead of her
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you want to do if you want it easy on
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guess i'm just lazy that's why I viewed
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him as being kind of that stock mentor
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figure is that then i have a backstory
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that I could take off the shelf for him
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but you said it before like why does
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qui-gon exist why is he a character in
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this movie
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it sure as heck isn't because he's so
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incredibly interesting that he just has
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a story that had to be told in a
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character we can be murdered
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I propose that the entire movie is about
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the relationship between obi-wan and
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quite God and Anakin is exactly as
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important as charged are well that may
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be true but that's still miss executed
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can I just say I know their relationship
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is not going to their own what we want
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is since the system the ship only one
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needs to be the center of these
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trilogies and he is not absolutely
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because the the problem is i mean yes
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you can make a movie with a character
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with a protagonist who is if unlikable
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and essentially you know eventually evil
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you can do that i don't know if you can
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make this kind of star wars epic
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adventure doing that because i think
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that isn't that strikes me as divergent
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but if you have a character like obi-wan
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who is from most intensive purposes a
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good character if flawed
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I mean there's nothing wrong with a flaw
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i think the problem is you're asked
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eventually to identify with a guy who
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goes in like murders children right like
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that's gonna be a hard sell especially
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for a Star Wars movie which is supposed
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to be kind of adventure movie right
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so I I think that's part of the Miss on
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this is that you know we're looking
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through the one of the wrong lens and it
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doesn't make sense for us to look
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through the lens of Anakin because we
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don't see him for the first half hour of
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this movie we're not even looking
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through the ends right well that's I
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think the blanket reviews really hit the
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nail on the head with this one in that
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there really is no protagonist in this
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yeah i mean that the ostensibly the
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character should be the protagonist is
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obi-wan but he's relegated to the
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background for the first half of Anakin
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doesn't even exist until then it
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happened only one doesn't get tapped
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until it's time for him to fight with my
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drivers at the end the rest of the
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movie- ones on the ship and even then
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he's sitting out like a it says on the
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ship piece like this feet up and watch
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10tv on the ship it and and like a few
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scenes he does he's he's such an
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unlikable jerk and a few seems he
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doesn't want us to pick up another
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pathetic life-form that's got me going
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out early i did not remember how much
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the the jedis are going to school so my
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I mean they got like the whole thing
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without ok charge our banks is an awful
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character we can all agree that but man
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quite aunties and treat them like a
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piece of crap like my conscience at
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everything
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oh my god like it's just it's these are
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our moral guardians no wonder the
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Republic fell into disarray and then he
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steals a child from his mother he
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doesn't make much of an effort to save
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the mother is like mac and I'm not here
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to rescue slaves he actually cheats to
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make sure he doesn't save her
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no we're not we're not here to free
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slaves I'll just this one just this one
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and then he tells the mom I'll watch out
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for him and the first thing he does is
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take him into an invasion stand over
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there that there is absolutely no reason
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for him to be it also tells the and
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again I tried to save your mom and it's
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like yeah very hard like I kind of tried
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that I really you can make that work if
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you decide like we're going to show the
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jedis are arrogant out of touch but that
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was so not communicated offhandedly
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jerks that's an example you have to like
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invent yourself and say well you could
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be saying the Jedi were decadent and
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arrogant or whatever but like it's so
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not delivered in the movie like you were
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then manufacturing your own movies just
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it's just it's just missed a misfire
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that you're looking for some reason for
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like maybe that's what they were getting
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up but now it's just it's just lazy
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oh I don't think this is what they were
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getting at but I have developed my own
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would be about five no illusion that
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it's on purpose yes
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don't know you're right you're right I
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this is a movie that makes us dream it's
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a movie that makes us dream and imagine
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a better movie i have some some tickets
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thinking of line readings i have a
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couple of particular lines because like
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we're talking about you know that bad
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ratings of dialogue but then if you look
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at what's actually on the page there are
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some some spectacular things in here
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like invasion use this this script in
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script writing courses to explain like
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what not going to do to illustrate
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principles like alright so it's a couple
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lines I broke blind the lines down
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verbatim contagious could not believe
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they were these are in a movie I early
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obi-wan says if they find us they will
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crush us into tiny pieces and blast us
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into oblivion
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I think a five-year-old could write a
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better line also it's badly rhythm you
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know the the rhythm of that sentence is
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the fact is you can't say that it's just
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it's just is just terrible you know we
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got used in big dudu this time whatever
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let's just get those is a fine give will
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give charger an entire pass and just
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look at other things like we should not
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have made this bargain text and subtext
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nope it's all text in this movie it is
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all decks there is no subtext people
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just say things that they're feeling no
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i do not agree with the Jedi on this you
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must trust my judgment that's it that's
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what you got here it's like they are
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riding their writing character
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motivations out loud that's all those
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are doing you know you're right i mean
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there's also there's also no pretty much
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no humor in this movie it definitely no
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well executed there there are little of
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glamorous very very little attempted at
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least dialogue humor yeah there's an
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attempt at visitor centers attempted
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all-star comedy and slapstick what parts
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are showing but like there's very little
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in the way of wordplay or any sort of
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banter as red was saying like there's
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not much attempted in that I mean like
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the closest thing I could think of is
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there's always a bigger fish which in
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itself is really a terribly actually do
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you mind if it's another pathetic
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creature line from obi-wan I think it's
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about the the funniest thing ever but
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they reveal send this to be a jerk yeah
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I mean it doesn't it doesn't work but
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you're looking a little slave boy we
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just record you know rescue one pathetic
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creature rescue / why I think the
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podrace announcers are supposed to be
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funny ecologies I mean the heart of
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groups that's right right i mean because
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what we needed was a sports announcer in
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Star Wars true
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groups is safe I'd people Brooks in the
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dialogue when you've got the stooge bots
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and jar jar and and so no humans in this
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movie talk like humans obviously like
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they just they just speak out character
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motivations and like like bullet points
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if you didn't do an outline at last we
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will have our revenge for what yeah
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that's my least favorite line what is it
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revenge for what are ya they make him
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wear that just by being jerks know we
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can be jerks instead i kinda want to
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root for the fifth now jedi jedi need to
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get tossed man they're a little bit
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jerky the 1i the line i hate the most is
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actually Anakin's are you a name
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oh my god like that was foreshadowing
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about the next seriously and I fight
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know what I could pick up natalie
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portman with that line that the line
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that struck out to meet win and it is
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ajar line and I apologize because that's
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a real low bar but it's ex-squeeze me
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oh he's quoting yes world anyway let's
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be clear
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waitrose actually a great way to put it
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again yeah he doesn't say baking powder
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so it he didn't even better
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well I and to speak for the charger
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thing again I know this is a low bar but
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the thing for me is even if you take
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away the ridiculous part of the line
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readings a lot of his dialogue just
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doesn't make any sense
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it's incomprehensible see this is this
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is the problem that i have with with it
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when it comes to line readings and and
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bad writing but most of the line
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readings is that not just the flat
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readings but the fact that the the
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people that are responsible for all the
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exposition and explaining the whole
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Trade Federation plotline you can't
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understand a word that they say mother
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how are you racist apart from
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potentially being you know potentially
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being an offensive to a lot of people is
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o course we're being sobar through ball
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i kept thinking why don't they subtitled
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you can't understand a third of what the
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Gungan like a you like they say
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subtitled water which i think is why
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whoever was the water fan because it ran
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was saying that water was you know the
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only Greece can't be subtitled you get
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the subtitle affected the very least why
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not subtitled the whole Trade Federation
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so we won't be spared that awful accent
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and that terrible lip idea it was it was
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hard for me to realize because I
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remember people talking about it at the
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time like you know the races elements
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and potentially like and I remember
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thinking
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again there's the whole Stockholm
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Syndrome like how its star wars stores
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would be ready tonight like no no and
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then watching it this time was just like
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it was so something painful just because
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it was so it was on that like John
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saying it's unnecessary
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why why would you do that cuz water got
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subtitles so did so this job I have a
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couple moments where I thought with the
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Trade Federation that you know these
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guys would be much more effective if
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they were just people and they just
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spoken regular voices and they were you
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know bad guys yeah they were not cool
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looking
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they were not interesting there was you
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know what happened there were perhaps
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the hats were not the hots for not good
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looking at the name nute gunray's pretty
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cool well and of course they did the
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subtitle I mean and we have really
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touched on this but the i believe the
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Phantom edit which is the you know the
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mysterious re-edit of this does have all
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those scenes subtitle they basically
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just w nonsense and then subtitle them
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with totally newer you know totally new
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lines of dialogue period it turns out
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you can fix a lot of value but once you
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get rid of like once you get rid of
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their bad line rings you're still left
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with the bad lines which like we talked
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about you know the exposition radio
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network they are so many things this
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movie it's time for the expedition tried
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to speak up like it
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everyone is speaking at the position for
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no reason what could he has to complete
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two more circuits thank you
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yeah i mean like the let me explain the
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motivations of all the characters and
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what's happening in this interminable
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scene in which we will just be sitting
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in chairs and talking which is the red
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letter media things point out as big
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theme of the prequels people sitting
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still and talking about the most boring
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things you could ever possibly imagine
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all the camera also stationary shoot
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someone at a time and you just want to
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kill yourself
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should I really blast through the plot
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here and let you stop me along the way
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because I i took noticed and it's gonna
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be three hours oh I know
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oh I'll try to be quick but i but i want
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to give everybody a chance to to jump in
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with specific because I know otherwise
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we're going to jump around even more and
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we're going to miss some stuff we we
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can't leave a stone unturned we need to
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smash everything down and and and 10
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make its all stone Jason rush into
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oblivion really left is great ash to use
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the theme of the previous episode
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alright so so we talked we talked about
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the opening credits which involve
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taxation and trade routes we should be
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really the kind of reuniting with the
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feelings that I have in childhood than I
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expected
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also trade routes makes no sense because
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everybody goes their space
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don't overthink it okay well is the
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Kessel run a trader and I was the Trade
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Federation a member of the Republic and
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why is there a senator from the Trade
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Federation
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yeah that makes no sense to me right
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also I am amused that there's a
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federation in this because it's that
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shot across the bow and star trek is
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that what that is yeah they're invading
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that planets it's a violation of the
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prime directive what is wrong with them
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on the back at bad accidents and puppet
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heads like i said i think it's a mistake
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totally unnecessary and it so the droids
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ok so there are these droids they are it
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this is another issue that I had is that
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they are these dumb you're dumb
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they're Joker's there-there there-there
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are a joke like we in there there and
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they've got guns and they're like the
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army but they're just a joke that you
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are never something that you could take
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seriously as I i think one of the kind
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of kid movie tropes of of this movie is
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that is that oh the kids love him and my
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kids thought they were funny because
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their enemies and enemies that are goofy
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and not threatening right but they're
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not at all threatening they're not
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competent and anyway they're apparently
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not network because they have to talk
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amongst themselves to discuss tactics
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that they are networks of the control
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ship so my mac has a better voice
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synthesizer why would you have this if
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you know why have an army entirely
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people out of robots that you can
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control a hundred percent if they're
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incompetent and have senses of humor
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like the there's no logic to that
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there's a scene where the Trade
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Federation guys radio down to the planet
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to talk to their leaders and I'm
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thinking okay they're talking to the
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leaders and it's these stupid droids
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were the leaders apparently they are
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those soldiers and they're the leaders
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and I thought again you know if you put
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a few like Trade Federation generals or
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something down on the planet who are
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menacing you could almost get away with
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the droids being goofy but when when the
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droids are in charge
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too-hoo it's like who are these all
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right they had no one to fight because
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that planet was empty
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yes there's nobody on the planet
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everybody was hiding under a table
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I just bothered by how long it takes the
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droids to make up their minds about
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anything
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when qui-gon and obi-wan bust out of the
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fog filled room the robot just stand
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there with laser guns wait
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yeah and then there's that scene later
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on where the robot actually specifically
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takes time to make up his mind goes uh
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well I uh you're under arrest
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now that's he's using his smartass
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algorithm there there's like that was
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that was a comedy that was an attempt at
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comedy and I was hard to push buttons
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with her gone for that those are the
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cokes and it's actually even more of a
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contrast because there are those battle
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droids that roll around and shoot things
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and have they're gonna string has
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scary-go-round experienced and capable
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and and yet they're mixed in with these
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ridiculous comic relief yeah why not
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have an army though you through it they
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said they went down the wrong tech tree
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and they ended up with millions of a
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stepmother is what we've done with
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facility somebody bought somebody lunch
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so they went with the wrong gender the
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the there is some call high as it states
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it is hard to even form the words
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there's some cool stuff in the first
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five minutes with the Jedi you know like
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they've got their lightsabers out there
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like bouncing guide see I like some of
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that sleep the lightsabers come out
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instantly John's talked about this
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before lightsabers used to be something
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exotic and cool and mysterious and here
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they're just waving it around like
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exhibitionists it's like it's like jaws
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I don't have made the exact same analogy
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but it's like the shark in Jaws they
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were originally lightsabers were not all
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over the place for technical reasons the
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same reason you didn't see the shark in
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Jaws for technical reasons stupid shark
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would work so you had to not show it and
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that turned out to be the correct the
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better artistic choice here now we don't
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have the problem sharks all time
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lightsabers going to be everywhere and
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it's where the movies worse for and I
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did have this point when watching it was
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the like the thing that got me was
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there's a part where their you know
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their reviews and lights or whatever and
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then I think I'll be one reaches over
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and like you know waves his hand in the
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trees fall down it's like if you can do
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that why would you even put a lifesaver
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just start throwing words around like
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you're done
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these guys are clearly not not able to
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hold up to that they treat the
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lightsabers like a light show to they
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swing around you that they don't just
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put it away they don't just turn it off
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they've gotta spin it three times and
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then put it back on the better their
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samurai gannett this again why the Jedi
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had to fall because they were corrupt
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nature is if i don't get so many fancy
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lights and had really fabulous flare
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no not until it was gone and then and
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then we see cuz we all grew up with the
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original movies thinking that they were
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scarce resources turns out that when
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there were lots of Jedi and lots of
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lightsabers not so cool air kinda lame
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expanded its better that general little
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Jedi goes a long ways with the fact that
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they're being so many Jedi's kind of
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leads to something that comes up a
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little bit later in the film but when
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they mentioned that Anakin could
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potentially be the with the prophecy
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that it was supposed to bring balance
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that wars yet nobody notice that the
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Jedi are thriving in the city that long
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since disappeared to the only possible
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meaning of balance restoring balance
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means the resurgence of the dark side
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but that brings up another point here
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like that the whole idea of a prophecy
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does not seem Star Wars to me
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yeah that's dumb that's dumb in itself
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you're right like that whole concept
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that there is there is a chosen one that
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there's a prophecy that that that does
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not because Luke was not the chosen one
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there's no prophecy about loose who has
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proved prophesizing what like what is
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the privacy doesn't make sense either
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because even if you ultimately brings
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balance to the force by killing you know
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the upper they're still you know what
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good Jedi left so it's going to get all
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out of whack and not the whole idea of
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balance like it's like the television
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thing with equal time you know because
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the airwaves Republican like it doesn't
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make any sense it's nonsensical and
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prophecies don't belong install myself
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time for Sith and Jedi photographs ok
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that that's the appropriate balance we
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want half murder and half not murder
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that is a proprietary only so-so episode
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1 is the republican response is what
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you're saying and they went they went
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scientific I mean they tried to explain
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away the horses midi-chlorians you know
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microscopic animals that live in our
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blood but then they go right back to
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they help with the top is the force
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which is supernatural
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what why also can i say why the virgin
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thats hanging in a certain point you
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just like so well because he couldn't
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come up with anybody that would be
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interesting enough to have is the father
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like that and not interesting is the
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characters enter and I know but now now
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the forces is is full of Christian
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symbolism is not a strange you people at
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home getting all this we already know
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that your closest is obsessed with
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Joseph Campbell's mythic stories
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structure of course he's going to put a
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virgin birth and if you can but like but
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don't even bother doing it they have it
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there is literally one line for the for
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the quote-unquote version but you can
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have an absentee father but it turns out
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that wasn't the disney movie until
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recently
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yeah well he was just that he was just a
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guy who like you know oh yeah he left us
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you know like that would make more sense
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like that no but that's the only way you
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could read it as an adult if some other
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person told you that you'd say this
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woman is in denial because some man
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knocked her up and left
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that's something that's what you would
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you relax absolutely but it doesn't it
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doesn't it or or horses or simply enough
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he could just have been a slave that was
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killed as part of you know sort of a
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poor master and then that would explain
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some of Anakin's hatred for you know the
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slaves now but that wouldn't explain why
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he's so special which frankly doesn't
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seem that bad in its Tatooine state
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yeah he's pretty happy to be a slave in
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the beginning is only when he comes back
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as a moody team he's like you know what
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slavery sucks
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he's a slave he has plenty of free time
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he has his own house he has time to
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build a robot with artificial
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intelligence that speaks every language
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and the coolest pod racer in the world
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has enough money to get the parts to
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make that robot yeah and he has like
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three different plastic highlights tix
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hanging in his room I can't like the
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props in this movie were just they just
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want the walmart and got them it's safe
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to say that and his mom are not you know
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showing off the darkest side of slavery
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building a podracer is like having your
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own formula 1 racer for a slave boy he
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has awfully silky hair and his mother
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doesn't do anything as a slave she just
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stays home and keeps house for us
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well she does she does it later in the
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movie she gets to have lines that do not
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look like a bullet points suddenly she
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becomes a fortune cookie later in the
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movie when she goes into her for fortune
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cookie line ringing work like it she
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says you have given hope to those who
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have none
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the path this path is replaced before
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you you know and we can't stop it
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anymore that we can stop the setting of
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the sounds like mom when did you become
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a fortune cookie business I were site
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the best one that she delivers to my
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mind is still the he was meant to help
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you like because if you if you want that
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in context of the scene it doesn't
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actually make any sense like it's like
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she's trying to get rid of it at that
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point like yeah yeah he's here to help
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yeah he was meant to help you should
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take away you can have my son strangers
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who have come into my house please take
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me take my son and risked his life and
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from that comes out of nowhere she's
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trying to get him out of this
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horrible life of slavery which involves
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him having lots of time for hobbies not
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i mean there are so many moving parts in
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this movie like to have a movie with
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this many actual characters and it is
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very difficult to do like you can't
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that's not enough time it to our running
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time movies that have this many
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characters make them that interesting so
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you kind of have to like go usual
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suspects and have a couple of
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interesting character creates an acute
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good interactions and use your 12 line
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sparingly to make an ensemble cast type
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thing but that is a way higher degree of
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difficulty than I mean this guy couldn't
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shoot a cereal commercial or write us
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your commercial for that matter
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competently there's no way you can have
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all these characters and have all all
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the characters and they're not
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honeycombs big yeah yeah it's not small
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no no that's that too much too much ammo
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too much move it
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yeah see I I rest my case yeah faster
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and more intense it's either monotone or
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really jari and over-the-top honeycomb
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yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not small too
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much no flatten it out of town too sad
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to sad music so I asked my son about
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George are my eight-year-old son because
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you know this is that argument again we
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all hate your jarrow charger so bad let
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me tell you at having watched this movie
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I was going to see charger is not the
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worst thing hrs chart is far from the
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worst thing in this movie far far from
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the worst thing in this movie and that
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system because he's really not that good
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but I asked my son about jar jar and and
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this is what he said he said and I quote
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he's funny
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instead of excuse me he says ex-squeeze
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me nailed it
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yeah boom he's funny falls down
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he's a wacky guy well well well you can
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if you can't know why maybe 15 years
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later they would have laughed at the
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Stephanie Tanner reference that he keeps
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making how rude at least three separate
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times how would how do you know for how
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so well Steve it looks hot
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nothing along if I do like that charge
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our is at least setup is being annoying
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to even the Gungans I appreciate that
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they threw him out and exiled MTSU so
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clumsy that's the kind of thing you want
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to put your movie it's so he gets so
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much screenshot Jackie the laziest that
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so we go to the we go to the Gungan City
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and i wanted to mention this to because
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something struck me for I was watching
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it somebody threw a brick at my head
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literally struck me and now I'm in the
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original movies the places we go our
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real places with fictional bits added on
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and this was an example of a place
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that's just completely made-up it's just
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that there's an absence of place it is a
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cgi world everybody's in front of a
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green screen half the actors are not
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actually people they're CGI characters
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and it bothered me I think that's
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actually one of the ways in which this
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movie sales compared to as technically
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brilliant as it is is is like the scenes
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and later on in the end that are Italy
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that are more effective in that way but
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but this was an example like of more
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money than sense where the Gungan City
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just you know I know it's supposed to be
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spectacular or something but it was not
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just founded depressing because it was
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completely a just invented stuff and it
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was there's no there and so they're two
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different nothing there just because you
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can I i was shocked at how bad the
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green-screen things look at this movie
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because I was thinking there's another
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thing going and I was thinking well
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let's look at the effects because the
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effects are going to be really good but
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Jar Jar do not age well and in fact
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they're really a terrible they do not
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look good and the thing about the thing
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about the Gungan City particular my note
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when I saw that it's not just that it's
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a green screen there's nothing there but
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that likes what they replaced the green
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screen with looks like an empty
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soundstage just like you could have made
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anything you don't have to make it look
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like a bee soundstage there is literally
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a green screen there you could make
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something that looks interesting lived
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in like an actual city and instead what
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they filled in the green screen with was
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something that looks like an empty sound
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stage with bad props on it
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here's the thing about that is that I
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mean we have seen computer-generated
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scenery that that works for movies that
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mean because if you look at any other
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pixar movies for example that's a fake I
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mean it's alright look at look at the
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podrace for crying out loud you're not a
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real desert there those are mostly
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computer-generated everything there
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right it looks like a desert
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yeah no i agree i mean i think there's
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it's too everything's too smooth and
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clean and
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doesn't quite empty just nothing there
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like that boo is a giant putting green
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same problem
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more than that I think you know and part
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of it is the the consciousness of the
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effects failing but some of it is also
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just the it's sort of an uncanny valley
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effect of its not real right like you've
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hit that point where like yeah the
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technically there is a lot of stuff
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that's very good but the same time
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there's something missing that makes
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this inherently not there's no soul to
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it like resigning doesn't look like a
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place to hope the whole conception of
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the Gungans is wrong the fact that they
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have a land-based army but they live
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underwater they're considered primitives
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but they have a force field they live
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underwater in the air and bubble
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yeah it did you couldn't I mean the
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Jawas you see very little of them but
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they feel like real creatures the Tusken
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Raiders you see hardly anything of them
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but I could see how I can extrapolate
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back i can see they seem real
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they are there that's another thing that
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little unique there that legitimately
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made me laugh yeah that's awesome writer
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that camp that everyone a bunch of yep
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that is the probably be funny i noted
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that is the funniest point of this
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entire movie because it doesn't involve
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dialogue and be at that's what they
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would do
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yeah yeah yeah absolutely then shortly
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after that is what i think is the best
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cameo / bit of fanservice where the pod
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racer zoom past the Johnny screams yeah
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one thing I do like about Nabu is it's
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the first time in the star wars universe
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that there are two places on a planet
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yes up until now everything is either
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all desert are all ice there's two
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separately evolved intelligent races on
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the planet that doesn't happen
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well so far as we know oh that's what
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doesn't happen well and what would you
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know why do we have to go back to
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Tatooine do why is this as as my as my
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friend Tony says why is Tatooine it's
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like the busiest outer rim planet in the
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world like everybody goes through
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Tatooine
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well it's between abu and chorus but
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it's supposed to be in the middle of
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nowhere
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that's what he said a way to the capital
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you know it's along the ground know
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what's on the i-90 it all comes down to
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shipping again and again the reason that
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we know right now between is because
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because they end up there this time and
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that leads to Tatooine being important
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but you're right you're right
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um I wanted to let see we're going to
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hide Luke on his father's home planet
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never think to look there never looking
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with his uncle Julian loved mr. change
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this is Neela love the thing going
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through the planet core with all the
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fish although I have to say again why
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even call it the planet course i mean-
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course not matter that are completely
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scientifically wrong but why don't you
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just say that we have to go underwater
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for a long time what do you say we go
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through the planets core because this
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planet is so messed up that there's
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water and its core that's crazy what
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kind of planet is this
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well then why did the invasion force
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land on the opposite side of the planet
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from where they were totally going to
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invent a drive with the point of what if
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you have the point about the we need jar
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jar to get where we're going yeah and
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then the navigator
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yeah I pretended then they say like oh
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don't worry oh yeah we use the first
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story about school so why did we bring
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him and then we have to knock him out
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and why doesn't the containment shield
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around the submarine fail when the power
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fails and I'm so angry he had a backup
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why do you drive on parkways and park
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and ride with the fish fish being eaten
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by other fish my son loved it
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although again they do that joke twice
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yeah now there's nothing there's no
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reason that scene where they're under
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the water other than like it would be
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cool if there was a big fish
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okay well like what what does this have
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to do with anything that big eel thing
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is a very discerning either he eats only
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the giant fish by and discard the head
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and the rest will say that let you know
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I was thinking in these giant getting
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things i was thinking i know this is
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unfair but i do i can't help but do it
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like it compare compare these movies to
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like you know the actual star wars
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movies and you're like think about what
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happened when we had characters who
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involved who had a scene with like a big
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creature that was going to eat them
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think about what was going on with
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likely another thing in the asteroid
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right what was going on that scene where
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characters that we were invested in we
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had interpersonal attention we had plot
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tension because they were trying to know
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someone was trying to capture them and
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you also have the creature in the
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mystery and and the fun they're like 900
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things going on that scene and just
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seeing what's going on transportation of
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characters we don't care about from
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point a table
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point a table
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point B without some minor things that
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happened like it there is no there are
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no layers to this movie there is no
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reason that seemed to be in there and
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like anytime they do anything remotely
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similar to something from one of the
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good Star Wars movies you like what like
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it just do not compare them in your mind
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because you will realize just it'll just
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make you hate this movie anymore like
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there's nothing there
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qui-gon seems bored he's read the script
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he knows how it's going to come out as
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much action as there is going on screen
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what's going on is boring I mean it's
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just set piece after set piece for the
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first up until almost where they land on
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characters are bored and there's no
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there's no tension whatsoever because no
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there's no interpersonal attention and
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there's no plot tension there's nothing
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right well we don't we don't care if the
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characters die for starters which is a
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small problem but then that even when
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it's set up that they might be
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potentially in jeopardy you've got quite
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on saying oh it won't be a problem
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well so why am I watching he's a
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strategic idiot is his whole approach to
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the movie is something will turn up
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yeah it all worked before up i would
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like to briefly because this is a good
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spot for present my thesis for a
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marginally acceptable way to view this
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alright let's hear drunk now people have
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tried that they just get really really
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angry as are throwing things at their
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televisions or they cry oh it's clear
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that quite God really has no reason to
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bring Jar Jar law he claims it's the
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navigate he's the navigator but
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immediately charged RS where we go in
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and just says add the forceful guidance
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I always thought they just felt bad
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because he was going to get X reacts
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I'll to put in jail or something so they
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just sprung him
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my theory is that quite on hates having
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obi-wan as a Padawan front of the very
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beginning of the movie the first thing
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will be one says is i have a bad feeling
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about this
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my god basically says shut up it'll be
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that's it that's a great first line for
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the heroes by the way yes it it really
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said it's probably here are you here are
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two teammates they really do have a bad
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feeling i do but we're all supposed to
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cheer right because it's a callback we
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all go whoa bad feeling about this
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it's but it's like a light sabers
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they're just dumping them onto the
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screen right now and I contend this
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movie would have been better if it had
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been made up entirely of lines from the
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original movie
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he ordered it is felt a very right way
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and the right order
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I spent many and I believe things which
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are just people sitting around saying
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live from Star Wars I don't see why we
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couldn't film that everybody within and
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01:02:21
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as we just mentioned it you can do that
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well the Tusken Raiders routinely we're
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all like it's one second will say could
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find thumbs-up yes i smiled like you can
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it's not like we're against that it's
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like we're against callback systems
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really yup knob
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what a remarkable smell you've
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discovered yeah man I got a new project
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guys I'll see you later
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so it's basically obi-wan qui gonn
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complaining at each other and then quite
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got taking every opportunity to try to
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find somebody new to be his and probably
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just sent to separate himself to
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separate himself from obi-wan you stay
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in the ship all going right now with the
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stupid gun and with here and are the
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minute he sees him says let's bring him
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obi-wan gets mad and finds a sleep kids
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could make laureates he says let's take
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this kid is mad again at the end of the
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movie he wants Darth Maul to be as part
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of one they have the big council meeting
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and they say well nobody would take this
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kid is a Padawan he says I'll take it
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all things you've already got no no we
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got a map don't need only one he just
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shoves obi-wan decided that moment he's
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ready he's ready and obi-wan is just
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crushed and admit I'm just making all
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this up this is not a morning that is
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when obi-wan decides to kill courtyard
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and framed art more and then at the very
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end of the movie qui gonn dies in front
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of everyone's eyes and obi-wan is so sad
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that he agrees to take his hated leaving
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other which is how we now use Anakin on
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as his Padawan he doesn't very good job
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of it you know if I may suggest a reason
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why qui gonn hey Toby 1 i'm gonna guess
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it's the haircut and then and then
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you've got the irony at the end when
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when obi-wan gives Anakin the exact same
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here is passing it down deep it's the
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Padawan braid it's like the last thing
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to the omen in a way everyone must go
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through this at one point or another
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yes the haircut is just one of the
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trials when you become a dad you just
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emulate your own dad give kids the same
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stupid haircuts you had to get there is
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a very strange walmart filled all the
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Jedi here
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so it's I mean you don't you don't
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always see a rat tail and a rock and
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pony and this thing it's hard to cut
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hair with a lightsaber let me tell you
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so that's my pitch i let me offer
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another alternative theory which is that
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to Marty's because I think marty is very
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good but my theory is that qui-gon has a
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tumor in his brain and it makes the
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computer i like and want some imagined
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Jar Jar Binks was not actually real and
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everyone goes along with it because he
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pities qui-gon for his horrible
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hallucinations that he has it's possible
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we want is also a hallucination it's not
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really clear but quite i can also be
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drunk the whole movie that's another
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possible interpretation because he does
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seem like that the complacency about
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everything work are high
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everything will work out on not problem
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don't worry about it would be good
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he tries to get my mind trick on water
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doesn't warm and he's drunk
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I just got an image in my head of Jeff
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Bridges playing quite yeah man that
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movie would have been great same robe
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yeah exactly it's not that hard he's got
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the beard you know this was a valued
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robe they never show quite God's feet
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maybe it's some sandals down there that
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lightsaber really held his room together
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yeah really help the room together so so
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that's my pitch for a way to pretend
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there's a protagonist of the movie and
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it's not quite so bad to wait what who
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is the protagonist in that obi-wan it's
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obi-wan story it's about how open one
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hates his master and his master dies we
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make a rash decision and takes on this
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kid who should not be a Jedi god he
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hates it he hates me he hates him so
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much that as the protagonist he decides
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to go sulk in the spaceship for his bday
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is the secret protagonist that does
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nothing anybody anybody likes that's
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right who is an onscreen for more than
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about 10 minutes you guys realize we're
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only up to the battle droids at the
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beginning of the movie that's right
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folks your friends at the incomparable
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have spent an entire episode and barely
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gotten five minutes into star wars
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episode one
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how long is it gonna take us to get
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through this all the answers only one
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more episode only one more hour we
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promise that we'll be in our next
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episode
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until then I'd like to thank my guests
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Steve let's John siracusa Monty actually
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Dan more'n serenity Caldwell and Greg
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join us next time to find out if we
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liked or didn't like the Phantom Menace
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the jury still out right
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until then this is jason l signing off
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thanks for listening
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